20/06/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria.

Hundreds of people attended a vigil last night close to the north London

mosque where a van was driven into a crowd of Muslim worshippers.

But will it take more than shows of unity to bring people together

And how do we prevent further violence?

Everyone is still shocked by what happened. There is a little bit of

fear, but at the same time, no-one's staying away or hiding because of

what happened, everyone is still coming out to pray.

A week since the devastating fire at Grenfell Tower,

we speak to a family who lived on the 15th floor, and who escaped

with nothing but their lives, about where they have been staying

And with more and more high-profile sportswomen taking time

out to have children, UK cyclist Dame Sarah Storey,

has been finding out what is being done to keep

Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

We'll bring you the developing news on Barclays bank. Four individuals

are facing fraud conspiracy charges including the former Chief

Executive. It's a complex story and our correspondent will be here to

explain. Get in touch on everything we are talking about this morning.

The family of a man arrested after a terror attack

near a London mosque say they are shocked and devastated.

Father-of-four Darren Osborne was held on suspicion of attempted

murder and terror offences after a van hit Muslim

Last night a vigil took place near the scene of the attack.

A demonstration that nothing has changed,

Everyone is still feeling shocked about what happened,

there is a little bit of fear but at the same time, like,

noone's staying away or hiding because of what happened.

Everyone is still coming out to pray.

Of course we are coming, it's a mosque, you have to pray.

It is after midnight and it was about this time last

People have come from other parts of London to pray here at the mosque

tonight in a show of solidarity, they've been embracing

in the streets but the leaders here have told me despite being one

of the busiest times within Ramadan it has been quieter tonight,

Earlier the community held a vigil attended by the Commissioner

of the Metropolitan Police Cressida Dick.

And the Mayor of London who spoke of communities fighting division.

What you've seen over the last 24 hours is Muslims,

Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, those members

of an organised faith and those that aren't,

rich, poor, old, young, coming together and saying,

Officers are continuing to hold a man arrested under terror laws

who the BBC understands to be 47-year-old Darren

His family said they were in shock and disbelief.

Our Correspondent Simon Clemison is in Finsbury Park.

Simon, we were hearing in your report about the vigil, talk of

unity. We can see the hashtag behind you, Uniteded against all terror.

What is the mood there now? Hi, very good morning, Joanna. Well,

this really was what we saw overnight, what I onced, was a

demonstration of strength by a community doing little more than

what they would normally do. They came to prayers in just the same way

had this not attack taken place. I was in the mosques early hours,

headed up the stairs, there was a bit of food as they broke their

fast. It was packed and outside it was quieter, the feeling was that it

was slightly quieter. One of the leaders suggesting to me that people

were anxious and they did stay away. It may have been of course that

they'd just gone to worship in another part of London not realising

that the mosque was open. It's a message of unity there, a lot of

these flowers don't come from the Muslim community, remember, they

come from people outside as they come together to get their message

across. I can see on the building over there an arsenal flag, that

really is all the divide they want in this community, between two North

London clubs, Arsenal and Spurs. But there is a lot of underlying tension

here, not least to do with the language used by the media. That's

something someone was very keen to talk to me last night about, when

the media focuses on religion and when it highlights Islam and when it

doesn't. He was absolutely furious with the way some of the media are

using the words they use, so a tension still that needs resolving.

Our Correspondent, Tomos Morgan is in Cardiff for us.

The driver of the van named as father of four Darren Osborne. What

is emerging about him, Tomos? Police have been carrying out a raid in the

house they believe he owned or possibly lived at here in Cardiff.

It's in the north-east area of Cardiff. They arrived here around

mid afternoon yesterday and they've been here overnight and there's

still a police presence here this morning. That van that was hired by

the potential suspect was actually from a village to the north-west of

Cardiff about 50 miles away in Pontyclun. South Wales police are

passing on any information they get to the Metropolitan Police. I've

been speaking to people in this community and they've been telling

me that really the overwhelming feeling is that of shock really that

if this turns out to be true, there's someone in the community

that could have carried out such an horrific incident. We heard in

Simon's piece, there was a family statement. The family saying they

are truly shocked. Unbelievable they've called it and they're

devastated for the families that have been injured. They say Darren

Osborne himself had never expressed any racist views. South Wales police

continuing their investigations here in Cardiff and passing on all the

details to the police in London. Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary The Serious Fraud Office has charged

Barclays and four former executives including its chief executive,

John Varley with fraud over the bank's dealings

with Qatar at the height Barclays raised emergency funding

from Qatar in 2008 to avoid We can speak to our

Business Editor Simon Jack. I understand these are the first

senior manages to face criminal charges over alleged activities

during the financial crisis? Yes, it's been a long time coming,

nearly a decade. Five years of a Serious Fraud Office investigation's

finally brought charges against four former executives there and Barclays

Plc itself. It comes around events surrounding an emergency

fund-raising from Middle Eastern investors who put ?7 billion into

the bank back in 2008. Two charges - one is that Barclays lent those

investors some of the money which they used the buy the shares, so in

effect lending to itself which is a big no-no, as far as regulators are

concerned and also they didn't disloads the fees they were paying

for advisory services to Qatar Holding who was the investor. These

were advisory fees that had no real value, that is the allegation. The

holding company of Barclays, not the actual bank itself - that is quite

important because if a bank which operates all around the world

actually is convicted of criminal charges, it finds it very difficult

indeed to operate in those markets soit's the holding company, the bit

that owns Barclays Bank that's been charged. John Varley, the former

Chief Executive and Roger Jenkins, head of the Middle East operation,

are the two executives. We have heard from Roger Jenkin this is

morning, he said he's going to vigorously defend the action.

Different calculations for the individuals and for the bank to

make. If Barclays feels the holding company has to plead guilty, it gets

away with a fine in the low hundreds of millions and can get on with its

life, it might consider doing that. Jenkins says he'll vigorously defend

the charges because it can have immications on their directorships.

An important moment, some will say the SFO in a way have gone after the

wrong target here because you will remember RBS Lloyds and others went

to the Government, you could argue that Barclays made efforts to avoid

taxpayer money that had got it into this trouble, so some will say the

SFO may eventually get their man, some may say it's the t wrong person

they're after. An American student,

who was freed last week by North Korea after spending 15

months in prison, has died. Otto Warmbier , who was 22,

was in a coma when he was His family has accused

North Korea of torturing him after he was arrested for stealing

a propaganda sign. President Trump spoke

shortly after his death. I just wanted to pass on word that

Otto Warmbier has just passed away. He spent a year and a

half in North Korea. But at least we got him home

to be with his parents where they were so happy to see him,

even though he was in He just passed away

half an hour ago. It is a brutal regime

and we will be able to handle it. Our correspondent

Steve Evans is in Seoul. Steve, a huge number of questions

that the Warmbier family and the US authorities will want answers to of

course. What are the chances they're going to get any response from North

Korea? I say pretty slim really. The whole

thing reeks with suspicion. You will remember this is a lad, 22-year-old

student, went to North Korea and he made the very, very foolish mistake

of trying to steal a poster from a hotel. He was arrested on his way

out, he was sentenced to 15 years hard labour for that, he took it

very badly. In his trial which didn't last any time at all, he can

be seen whaling and weeping at he his fate. That's the last we saw of

him. Then it emerged a month ago that, according to North Korea, he'd

fallen into a coma. North Korea said he'd got ill with botch lift and

gone into a coma, never recovered but they hadn't told anybody, hadn't

told the US authorities, hadn't told his parents until a month ago. What

then happened is the US diplomat plus two doctors flew out to

Pyongyang, discovered he really was in a very serious state indeed.

North Korea seems to have panicked because an American citizen was

about to die in one of its cells and that, it seems on the face of it, is

why they called in the Americans. The Americans took him back in an

Air Ambulance and he died promptly. So the obvious question is, when did

he fall into a coma and why did he fall into a coma? Those answers I

don't think we are going to get. The Government here in South Korea is

saying it wants to know the condition of the nine remaining

South Korean citizens and US citizens being held by North Korea.

It's got no response. Philip Hammond has demanded a Brexit

deal that manages and not shuts down migration. He said the future of the

economy was inexorably linked to reaching the right agreement with

the EU. A recent poll showed that 90% of

respondents believe free trade is positive for our economy regardless

of how they voted in last year's referendum. We are not about to turn

inward. But we do want to ensure that the arrangements we have in

place work for our economy. Just as the British people understand the

benefits of trade, so too they understand how important it is to

business to be able to access global talent and to move individuals

around their organisations. More than ?200,000 has been handed out to

180 families affected by the Grenfell Tower fire in West London.

The payments were recorded by the Government's newly formed Grenfell

Response Team. It said 78 families had been rehoused either locally or

in neighbouring boroughs and that 126 hotel places had been secured.

A van driver has been killed after migrants put tree trunks on to the

motorway to stop traffic near Calais. The incident happened in the

early hours on the A16 after the van registered in Poland hit a lorry

which had been blocked by the tree trunks. Nine Eritrean migrants were

found in one of the lorries. A teenage boy's drowned in a reservoir

in Rochdale in Greater Manchester. He was reportedly swimming with

friends at the Greenboth reservoir at 6 o'clock yesterday evening. A

spokesman said there were not thought to be any suspicious

circumstances and his family has been informed. Scientists have begun

human trials of a cholesterol lowering vaccine to help prevent

heart disease. The injection is designed to stop fatty deposits

clogging the arteries. It would offer patients an alternative to

taking daily pills to cut risks of stroke, angina and heart attacks.

The number of tests carried out in England to identify if people

have issues such as sleep apnoea, has doubled in the last nine years.

It's believed one and a half million people across the UK

have the condition, which can cause sufferers to stop breathing

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

Shortly we will be talking to the head of the Finbsury Park

mosque about how his congregation and the wider community have reacted

And what more must be done to tackle far-right extremism.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

Let's get some sport now and Hugh Ferris is at the BBC

We're going to start with rugby because the Lions

are playing their final warm-up match right now ahead of Saturday's

Yes, they are. Good morning. Traditionally it's the game that

nobody really wants to be involved in if you play today with the first

test against the All Blacks just four days away in Auckland, it's

unlikely you'll play in that one. The game is in Hamilton. It's under

way. It's against the Chiefs. The stadium had extra seating employed.

It means there is some 30,000. The two previous defeats have come from

this midweek team if you like so. A lot to prove for them and Warren

Gatland the coach of the Lions insist they can still prove that

they are capable of taking their place either on president bench or

in the starting 15 even for that first test. So who has been

impressing? Let's look at the best of the action so far. Somebody who

hasn't been, that's the England prop, barging off the ball into the

Chiefs prop and so he has seen ten minute in the sin-bin. A couple of

penalties exchanged through Bigger. An opportunist try in the 25th

minute to give the Lions what is with about five minutes until

half-time, a 13-3 lead over the Chiefs.

Onto tennis and Andy Murray begins the defence of his

That's right. He won it five times, trying to win it for a sixth time.

The five times that he has won it so far is a record for the Queen's

tournament. Including of those 5-1 in each of the years that he has

gone on to win Wimbledon. So clearly, it's an important part of

his process in warming up for the home Grand Slam. The world number

one said he played some of his best ten us at Queen's. Vital preparation

for him, but it's not the only reason that he loves Queen's.

It was where I won my first professional match. So I have a lot

of great memories over the years. I've played, it has been my most

successful tournament. I love the courts here. I like the conditions.

It's very close to where I live. So I get to stay at home.

It is always important to not to have too much of a commute. He plays

this afternoon, another Brit, Kyle Edmund lost in his first round

match. Also in Birmingham, this week, the women have another one of

those pre-Wimbledon tournaments. Naomi Brodie is through to the last

16 there. She managed to beat the world number 39. In the end it was

7-6, 6-0 two contrasting sets. Heather Watson lost. Johanna Konta

who is seeded number four for the Birmingham classic, she will take to

the court to start her campaign. She's playing a Ukrainian. You can

follow that on BBC Radio 5 Live Sports Extra. They have commentary

from 1pm. In a proudly multicultural area

of London, where the biggest rivalry is normally if you support Arsenal

or Spurs, the UK endured its fourth A group of Muslim worshippers

were hit when a van mounted the pavement and drove into them

in Finsbury Park. The attack happened during Ramadan,

Muslim's holy month, after midnight, when many people

were there attending The Metropolitan Police Commissioner

Cressida Dick said the Finsbury Park incident was "quite clearly

an attack on Muslims". With the final days of Ramadan

being particularly significant and Eid celebrations planned

for early next week, does the attack play

into the hands of extremists and does the community

here feel safe? Just to practice our religion,

we have to look behind our backs. We're living in fear.

We shouldn't have to live like this. Like my daughter, who is working,

they couldn't, this That's the last thing you need,

like, it feels like, you know, As a Muslim how do I keep my son and

I safe? Because we don't feel safe at the moment. I didn't want to send

him to school. Well, first of all, I'm a Muslim,

I have children, I know many members of the community across Britain that

have expressed a very similar They hear all of these things

happening in London, as a Muslim, Those who try to divide us

and who aim to spread fear, hatred She prays most nights

at Finsbury Park Mosque and says the attack isn't

going to stop her from going back to pray, despite her

family being afraid. Ruqaiya Haris has seen a rise

in Islamaphobic attacks online since the attacks in Manchester

and London took place. Also joining us is Ishmerai

Muhammad, a bouncer who helped to save people during the Borough

market attack a few weeks ago. He says as the attackers

raised their knives and shouted "this is for Allah," he stepped out

to save people as he believed they weren't acting

in the name of his faith. We hope to speak to Mohammed Kozber,

Chairman of Finsbury Park Mosque. Tell us how you are feeling in the

aftermath of this attack. First of all, hello. I can't say that I'm

particularly shocked. We live in a climate right now where there is

such a high rise in Islamophobia, you know, visibly Muslim people are

being attacked verbally and physically on our streets every

single day. So I'm not going to sit here and say that, you know, people

weren't fearing for their lives. I mean we didn't expect to be as

horrific as we have seen. But I mean I'm trying not to let it, you know,

deter me from going about my normal life and you know going to the

mosque. So what sort of things have you experienced? I mean, I don't

feel like, I feel like every visibly Muslim person has experienced some

form of Islamophobia. I've had close friends of mine... Sorry, have you

directly? Yeah, I mean, I've experienced a lot of Islamophobia,

but it has not been as horrific as so many things that my close friends

have experienced, but I don't think, it's not necessary... What have you

experienced specifically and what have your friends experienced

specifically that you say is worse than snuff You don't feel safe

walking on the street. You feel like you're blamed. You feel because of

the type of messages that are going on in the media, no one looks at you

and thinks she is just a normal member of society. Sorry to keep

interrupting, but I'm wondering why you think that is how people are

seeing you? Why I think it's happening to people like me because

I'm visibly Muslim? Why do you have that prospective that people are

looking at you in that way? Because I look Muslim. Because of the type

of messages that the media are perpetuating, silly headlines that

one in five Muslim sympathise with radicalism. Things that are not

true. How do you think it makes us feel that some people in the UK are

sitting at home, have never met a Muslim person and never inat the

acted with a Muslim person and they are listening to these headlines,

they are going to slowly internalise this message that all Muslims are a

threat. I have had friends that had their hijaabs ripped off and their

niqabs ripped off in the street. I wouldn't say we live like we feel,

you know, free in our streets which is such a sad feeling, but it's, the

reality is Islamophobia is a reality. You also say that you've

experienced increased Islamophobia. Tell us what your experiences have

been? Every time there is an attack, there is a big spike in

Islamophobia, that's kind of reported statistically. I've

experienced that online countless times. I think any Muslim person who

is actually remotely in the kind of public eye talks about these kinds

of issues. Braces themselves for, you know, a kind of onslaught of

abusive messages. Targeted at them solely for being Muslim really and

even, you know, I've said before actually that even when I sent

condolence to say victims after a terror attack or talk about how

Muslims have actually condemned these kinds of things and what

Muslim communities have done to deter extremism, I still get

Islamophobic abuse which kind of shows me, it doesn't really matter

who somebody says, it is not about somebody being extreme, it is just

the fact that they are a Muslim. Do you feel that your experiences are

taken seriously? Not particularly, but then you know I do understand

that in the kind of online sort of realm, it's very difficult for, I

think, social media platforms to actually track every single kind of

instance of abuse especially when it is such a huge amount... Has your

experience been online rather than face-to-face? Online. But what is

quite terrifying, you have friends that you've heard these kind of

stories and when I'm seeing these kind of abusive messages online, of

course, most people are empowered by that anonymity, but it doesn't mean

thaw don't feel threatened when you go out and about. Just because

something violent or abusive kind of hasn't happened to me yet in person,

just the fact that I get that online, makes me think that it could

very well happen. Obviously, as you say, online trolling is people do it

behind the mask of anonymity. People behaving actually face-to-face is a

different thing. Do you, you know, when you are out and about, you say

that you have this perception because of what you're experiencing

on line, but the day-to-day reality do you feel that there is

integration and how do you feel that you are seen? It depends really

where I am. It depends what time of day I'm travelling. I've said

actually before that in most areas of London, especially in Central

London I do feel quite safe. There is a sizeable Muslim population in

London. So I think people are quite used to our presence here. It might

be very different in the rest of the UK and from what I've heard it is

and there is different statistics of attacks and things like that, but

then, you know, at the same time when I travel late at night, and you

know, I'm on the Tube and people are very drunk and there is a kind of

hostility that you can feel like people can make comments or they can

just give you horrible looks and you know what it is, you know. Are you

reassured now that the Metropolitan Police Commissioner has said this

incident in Finsbury Park was clearly an attack on Muslims and the

community will now see more police including armed officers in the area

particularly around religious establishments. Has what has

happened here kind of changed, sort of brought this effectively out into

the open in a way that's being discussed and looked at more

closely? I mean, I think, it's really promising and it's good that

it's actually being referred to as a terrorist incident number one. I

think that's really important and it has helped a lot of Muslims be able

to deal with the reality of it knowing that people do see it as

terrorism, but unfortunately, it's not really enough and we have to

look at how are these kind of opinions really coming out? What

are, you know, we see this kind of Islamophobia being reproduced this

the press time and time again. We have to ask how these people,

because it's not just this terror attack, this might have been the

most serious one against Muslims in a while, but you know the same year

that Lee Rigby was murdered we had a 75-year-old man in Birmingham who

was walking home from the mosque, he was stabbed and killed. It is not

really a new thing for the Muslims, but it might be a new thing for

wider society to recognise, but women have their scarfs pulled off

in the day and are spat on. These kind of things keep happening and we

have to look at Hamas opinions, what kind of opinions are actually e-Six

Nationsly radicalising you know the people that are responsible for this

kind of Islamophobic abuse and violent attacks. You wanted to come

in... Yeah, I felt like, it's almost become like a nOlal thing. It's

normalised. It's almost become like, you know, like the norm for Muslim

women to walk up the street and expect to have their hijabs pulled

off and to expect comments being made and I do feel like, it is

important and it is, you know reassuring that we have an increased

presence of police especially around mosques and other places of worship,

but I do feel as people we need it start asking questions. We need to

start addressing the underlying issue of Islamophobia and hate crime

and why they happen in the first place and how we as a society can

tackle it? You were at Borough Market, you were working in security

in Borough Market when that happened and you also went to Finsbury Park

as well. What's your view on the kind of way, the responses to these

different attacks? Do you mean from the community or

the media? The media and the community? For the most part, when

you look at the incidents that take place, the route of it is you are

dealing with a lot of people who're misinformed and uneducated. What

I've seen from the community is quite a promising response. People

are very clear that there is a distinction between that of those

who carry out extremist attacks if the name of religion and those

who're sincere believes in a religion like myself. There were

many who did not know that I was a Muslim, so when these men came

towards us with the knife saying, this is for Allah, my first thought

was, not the Allah I serve, because that's so far-fetched from where we

are guided to by the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. We just

don't condone that. We don't stand for that at all. I want to bring in

the head of Finsbury Park mosque on the phone. Thank you very much for

joining us. Four terror attacks now in the UK in three months but the

first that has specifically targeted Muslims. What is your reaction to

that? Well, it's shocking. We have been shocked by the incident

yesterday or the day before. As we have been shocked by the terrorist

attack which happened in Manchester, Westminster and London Bridge.

Terrorists have no religion. We are all united against the terrorist

attacks. These extremists, wherever they come from, or whatever

background they come from, their aim is to divide us, to create fear,

division and hatred. We'll not let them do that. Yesterday in Finsbury

Park, we showed how we can get together as communities. We have

hundreds of people come to a vigil yesterday outside the mosque. Faith

leaders, community leaders, politicians, media - all got

together to send a strong message to the extremists that they'll not win

over us and we are all united against their hatred and their

attack on our communities. Yesterday we had the Prime Minister, Theresa

May, she come to visit the mosque and listened to the concerns of the

community, the faith leaders, who spoke with her about the rise of

Islamophobia and how much thissish use is making a big problem to, not

just the Muslim community, but to the wider side. There is a woman

saying she can't go to the station at night alone any more. We are in

Britain's 21st century and we'll never should let these things happen

in our country. We are all united against extremists and mosques like

Finsbury Park mosque doing whatever they can to prevent extremists from

being in our mosque and community centres. We are doing whatever we

can as mosques to make sure that we engage positively with the community

and this proved yesterday when even Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Leader who

came and addressed the community as well at Finsbury Park mosque, the

Police Commissioner as well. This is the spirit we want, we want the

spirit of unity against those that have tried to divide us. Thank you

very much. Thank you also to my other guests.

Still to come,we speak to a family who lived on the 15th floor

and managed to escape the Grenfell Tower blaze.

We'll talk to them about where they've been staying since that

night. Returning to elite sport after having a child, Sarah Sterey

and successful British female paralympian has been finding out

what is being done to keep mums in sport.

The Serious Fraud Office has charged Barclays

and four former executives - including its chief

executive, John Varley - with fraud over the bank's dealings

with Qatar at the height of the financial crisis.

Barclays raised emergency funding from Qatar in 2008 to avoid

Our correspondent Simon Gompertz is here.

Explain what the charges are about, Simon? This goes back to 2008, the

financial crisis. If you remember, the taxpayer was called in to rescue

two major banks, Lloyds and RBS, but they weren't the only ones who faced

financial challenges. Barclays was one of those. Rather than calling on

the taxpayer, it went to Arab oil-rich investors to raise money on

its own account and in 2008, in two trans.s, it raised ?12 billion in

order to keep the bank going. So at the time, it was seen as the bank

that managed to rescue itself. But then questions immediately started

being asked about how that money had been raised. That is what these

charges relate to. So, as you say, the bank itself, Barclays Plc faces

fraud charges, but also John Varley, the Chief Executive and Roger

Jenkins who was a major figure in arranging that financing, Thomas

Colarres, a former Chief Executive and Richard Both, high up in the

bank at the time. They all face high charges, some in relation to the

first money-raising in June 2008 and two of them, Mr Varley and Mr

Jenkins were later fund-raising in the same year. What are the

questions around how the money was raised? One is that there were

advisory fees of obvious ?300 million paid to the Qataris and

there's questions over the status and transparency of the fees. The

other question is over a loan of over ?2 billion that was made by

Barclays to the Qataris and there's a suggestion that some of that money

might have been used then to help them financially when they were

buying shares in Barclays to shore up the company. So both of those

things at the Serious Fraud Office's attention. Nine years ago, these

investigations have been going on for five years, this is the first

time that a British bank Chief Executive has faced criminal fraud

charges over events that happened during the financial crisis. Thank

you very much. Now let us catch up with all the news with Annita in the

newsroom. The family of a man arrested

after a terror attack near a London mosque say they are "shocked"

and "devastated". Father-of-four Darren Osborne,

was held on suspicion of attempted murder and terror offences

after a van hit Muslim Last night, the Mayor of London,

Sadiq Khan, addressed a vigil Make sure we remember

that these terrorists, whatever their inspiration,

do not speak for the vast, vast majority of people,

and what they want to do is attack our values,

our freedoms and the respect we have for each other,

and we are not going The Serious Fraud Office has charged

Barclays and four former executives including its former chief

executive, John Varley with fraud. The charges relate to emergency

funding the bank raised from Qatar and Abu Dhabi in 2008 to avoid

a bail out. The payments were recorded

by the Government's newly formed It said 78 families had been

rehoused either locally or in neighbouring boroughs and that

126 hotel places had been secured. It's the final chance

for the Lions players to impress They're playing their last warm up

game before Saturday's first test Jack Nowell has scored the only try

of the match so far, Other than that, two penalties

apiece and at half time, A crucial victory for

the England under 21s Nathan Redmond scores the winner

as they come from behind They're top of their group

and will qualify for the semi Andy Murray plays a Brit on Centre

Court this afternoon, saying another successful week in London will be a

big boost to his Wimbledon preparations. And that is all the

sport for you for now. Much more after 10.

Around 80 of the families who lost everything in the Grenfell tower

fire are being rehoused this week, as the slow process of recovery

The initial ?5 million fund allocated to support them has begun

to be distributed; around 180 families have received ?5,000.

But the greatest cost of the tragedy was in human lives.

It is understood that at least 79 people died and there's been anger

at the official response and what some call the chaos

The government and the Kensington council have come in for

The government has now written to local authorities

across the country, asking them to check if tower blocks have been

cladded using similar materials to those at the Grenfell site.

Jim Reed is here with the latest on that part of the investigation.

There are now a series of investigations going

And they'll look at the materials used in the construction.

If we look at the outside of Grenfell Tower.

There's a number of reports that the fire started

The first call to the fire service at five to midnight.

By 01.15 there were reports it had reached the 17th floor.

That's had fire safety experts very worried, it simply

This is footage first aired on the BBC's Panorama programme last

night of Firefighters on the way to the blaze.

So that shows just how out of the ordinary this was?

Yes so the question is how did the fire spread so quickly?

But a lot of attention still on the cladding

Last year there was a ?10 million project to improve the block.

Covered the building in something called ACM, stands

It's two sheets of metal with a filler inside. The brand is called

Reynerbond. That is the brand that was used. There are three different

types of that material with different levels of protection. From

speaking to the supplier, we think they used the most flammable

version, the least fire retardant, the one with a so-called plastic

core. That version is banned in much of the US and Europe to buildings of

this height. So why are these panels

allowed in the UK? Well the government says says,

in fact, they are not. And using them above 18m

would breach building regulations. This was the chancellor

speaking over the weekend. My understanding is that the

cladding in question, this flammable cladding which is banned in Europe

and the US, is also banned here. That is my understanding. So why did

it go up? So there are two separate questions, one is, are our

regulations correct, do they permit the right kind of materials and ban

the wrong kind of materials? Second question is, were they correctly

complied? The company which supplied

the panels told us that And in fact they would not be

banned at all in the UK. There appears to be confusion. One

person I spoke to describes them as clear as mud so presumably it's

something the Government will be looking at. They have now written to

every council in the country saying, if you use panels like this, you

need to send samples as quickly as possible so that they can be tested

to see how fire retardant they are. I should mention the main contractor

said it did meet all required building regulations and the company

which installed the panels said it was not aware of any link between

the fire and the exterior cladding to this tower.

As those investigations continue, stories of how people survived

Let's talk to Sid-Ali Atmani and his wife Rashida Ali who lived

Thank you for joining us. I was watching you both while we were

looking at those pictures. I mean they are distressing for anyone to

look at, but that was your home. Yes. How are you coping a week on?

It's hard. It's like I see everyone I know in the building and I keep

remembering, my eyes I'm getting, their faces, every second. I'm

remembering every few hours someone. I forget that person. I didn't know

if he's safe. If that person. And most of the people I used to know,

they lived on the top floors and I have been looking for them for two

days after, I stayed and came back and I looked everywhere to see if

they survived, but no one. All the familiar faces, no one survived. On

every single level what you are coping with right now is obviously

just incredibly difficult... We're feeling like we're still there.

That's what we feel. We feel like it's a dream. It's not true. It's

not happening. It's like, even now I'm sitting down here and I'm

watching the building, nobody can believe that what happened. What

help have you had? At the beginning, we wasn't happy. We were unhappy

because I think the council, they haven't set up properly a programme

like bringing groups to deal with it. For example one of the families

have a victim and while we are based in hotel, there is old ladies, their

condition is very bad. They should have sent the first priority, they

have to prioritise and send the doctors to the hotels and send

counsellors to the hotels, not asking people to go to the doctors

or if you need help. They should have done it. They should... So

immediately after it had happened and you got had got out with your

lives, although with nothing else, where did you go? Where did you

stay? We stayed the first night I was in hospital. From He was in

hospital. My wife, she stayed with her mum. I took my daughter to my

mum, first to my friend and I came back, I stayed awake, going through

all the centres, going, I was standing with the ambulance all

night to see if my friend made it, if anyone came out, if the children

we used to go to school every morning together, are they all

saved. I didn't recognise anyone. There was a lot of people in the

building and my neighbour is called Steve, he didn't make it. Yeah,

Steve. He was a friendly guy. He has four dogs. We used to chat every

morning, every day. He was a great man. I just felt like I left hill

behind. Because I didn't recognise there is a fire. I just went down

just to see maybe I will come back again. And I just left. I took my

daughter and I left. I didn't knock on my neighbours and that's

really... These things are obviously playing over and over. Why I didn't

do that, why Save someone next to me or anyone. It is completely

understandable that will be causing you concern going forward. I was

sleeping to be honest with you. My wife, she smelt and she came to me

and said, "I smell smoke." I was very ill. I wasn't, I couldn't even

stand. She had to help me to go to use the toilet or to wash. I

couldn't eat. I zbt eat for three days. He had a high temperature the

night before and I was giving him medication. She was about to tell me

we go to hospital, we go in the ambulance. I told him, I will carry

you. I don't think it's a big deal. I think it's a small fire. Just go

down and you will come back. As soon as I left the building with my

daughter and I turn and I saw half of the building burning. You just

left my daughter with a stranger and I ran back inside. I went to the

second floor and then I was stopped and I told them my husband, he can't

walk, can you bring him? I give the key and no one could reach him

really in that time. I thought I lost him. I didn't want to turn back

after 20 minute to say my daughter and say to her, "I don't think your

dad's coming out. I don't think he can make it." He came after I lost

hope. He came out like drowsy, didn't know where he is. I heard a

sound. It was a very strange sound, the window, because I was sleeping

in my daughter's room. I didn't want to be ill. I stayed in the other

room and I heard some things like, even though I was sick and I can't

describe that sound. And when I opened the window I saw fire. I saw

fire in the window going up. I said my god, my wife she is all right,

that's what is going on. Are you both getting support in terms of

being able to actually talk to people about this? Because, you

know, obviously there is a lot of discussion around the practical

assistance, the fund. Firstly have you had money from the fund?

Yesterday. Yesterday we had. On Fridayle we had ?500 from the

council. Then yesterday we went back to Portobello Post Office and they

were giving ?500 to adults. We had ?1,000. Yeah. So that's something to

help you start, but I asked also about, you know, the other support

just the sort of human support. What are you... There is a lot of, we did

yesterday. There is a lot of donations, Muslim, British people,

they come from everywhere. Everywhere. That's why I wasn't

happy because they organised very fast, it was very fast, more faster

than the counselling they did. Talk us through them. You say at the

beginning you were in hospital, you went to your mum's and then have you

been staying in hotels subsequently? I have been, we went to the hospital

for one night and then we have been told that we are in Hammersmith and

then I went back Friday to the rugby club because we were meeting there

with other people who survived. And I didn't know everyone is going to

westway, I was in the rugby club most of the time. I waited until the

evening to be told where to go and around 6.30pm... Who told you? It

was the council. The officers, they were calling me and social worker

and people was like, keep calling and telling me did you get

somewhere? I said no, I'm still waiting. In the end, through the

evening, they told me to go to where we are now, Kensington high street,

the Tower Hotel. When I went there, my name wasn't on the list and the

receptionist couldn't find my name and anything and I was so lucky,

there was two ladies, a social worker just arrived and they were

arguing with them until they took my name and wrote it down and then they

gave me a single room with my daughter and I told them, we are

three persons and my husband is coming. I want a suitable, they

say... That's only because they are following the procedures. That's all

we have available. In the night again we saw the manager and we told

him the situation and the manager offered us another single room. He

said don't worry I will give you this. It's a very busy hotel. Two

single rooms. Is that where you have been staying? My wife is away from

me about two rooms. Two doors away. How long is this going to go on? I

received a call yesterday from the council. Someone, a volunteer in

westway, it was a guy, he was doing a job there. He saw me and he knew I

was frustrated. The guy from the council gave a call and he started,

he said to them, "Look, because this family, they are traumatised and."

My daughter isn't sleeping. She doesn't sleep. My wife doesn't sleep

because it is the ninth floor. We can't look out the windows. So I

received a call from the council yesterday and she tried to provide,

to find another location. She said I can't do it now because it is no way

to do it. There is many people. ." I said to her why are people on high

floors? She said, we know about the deaf stags, we tried to get the

ground floor, for everyone, but we couldn't. Have you had any word on

when you might get accommodation that you can actually move into? No,

nothing. Today, I'm expecting a call today from the council. She will

give me a call today regarding... So what do you need? And what do you

want right now? We want, we're hoping, we're hoping, the council,

mistakes happen. They panicked luke we're panicked. We're not blaming

the council. We're blaming no one. We understand the situation. We

understand what we are, what's going to happen. We understand that, but

we need support, physically, to come to us, mentally. They need to come

to the hotels. They need to speak to us and keep us updated. There is

nothing happening. And we heard recently the council has put their

hand up and they gave all the process to different councillors.

The victims are scared, they start to think negatively and they say...

If you have to move away? From the borough, from where we used to live.

Where we had all our family. We were hoping our council... Health issues,

everything. We're willing to help them to support the council. You

want to stay in the area... Wet can't. We know nothing. We don't

know nothing. If they come to speak to us and tell us we're here. To

give us peaceful. Mama is an old lady. She is lives in the second

floorment her condition is very bad. She can't take that. There is

another Syrian, as well, she is a lovely lady. She is disabled as

well. You know the Syrian who escaped with his... With his

brother. The one wearing the glasses, the Syrian. They escaped,

but she is with us in hotel. She is terrified. She is hugging all the

time and she is terrified. We are all terrified. I just want to say I

really have a lot of anger to the organisation, TMO, the TMO failed

everyone living in the area. They were ignoring everything. They were

ignoring people... You have been going back, concerns of residents...

Yes. Was it something that you had raised? Yeah. We have been going in

meetings since we moved to the building. What time was that? We

moved two years ago. Everything was still like going on in the building.

They were changing and fixing the building at that time. I saw all the

neighbours, they were angry. They were complaining complaining. They

were having meetings with the council. There was that big

refurbishment. Nearly ?10 million was spent. The inside didn't look

good. It doesn't look good. They didn't do anything inside. They

changed a boiler and they did the boiler next to the door, the flat

door. The entrance of the main flat. I used to sleep if this boiler blows

up how am I going to leave the flat? We told him... We refused and they

did it. They did it. They said, "Don't worry, this system is safe.

Everything is safe." People used to come every Saturday knock on the

door to want to fit a new gas pipe in the front of the door. That's

recently. It was a few months now. They only come Saturday. One of the

neighbours says, "I will take your picture and I will make sure if this

is right." They left. They say, "No, we will come back again." They ran

out. It's like there was something going on.

We used to stay half an hour. The lift was broken. How is your

daughter, your ten-year-old, you said she's really struggling? She

didn't want to go out or go to school and she was telling me, I

can't sleep because I don't want to wake up again and the same thing

happen, I don't want to see fire again. It took her two to three

nights to just feel, you know, calmer. When I went out and opened

the main door and saw the smoke, it was everywhere. I couldn't see

anything through the smoke and oh, my God, I closed the door, it's the

first action, that's what I reacted to, I closed the door. I thought I

lost him. Yes. I'm just so sorry to hear what you've been through. I was

so glad when I seen him came out, I was glad, happy, everything.

Everything was mixed and I felt like I can breathe now. We wish you the

best with rebuilding your lives, it's leerily not going to be --

clearly not going to be easy but we hope you get all the support. We are

very sorry for our friends who passed away, we are very sorry for

them. Our hearts, all of us, we are with their family because their

family they can't come. Thank you, thank you very much, thank you.

Let's catch up with the weather now. Thank you very much. Yesterday was

the hottest day of the year so far. We got to 32.5. For many today, it's

going to stay hot. There will be one or two subtle changes. The hottest

of the weather today will be across the west and south-west of England.

Look at this cold front moving south, introducing fresher

conditions, more cloud and a breeze towards the north-east and eastern

England. Temperatures will be about 17 there, about ten lower than

yesterday. Towards the south and south-west, up to 30-32.

For England and Wales, a hotter day on Wednesday. Temperatures

potentially about 34 in the south-east. That hotter air moving

back further north into the north-east.

Last night, hundreds attended a vigil in Finsbury Park to show

solidarity with the Muslim community after yesterday where a van

was driven into a crowd of Muslim worshippers.

It's almost the norm for women to have their hijabs being ripped off

and to have comments being made. Is enough being done to tackle it? We

speak to someone who used to be part of the violent far right group

Combat 18 who now helps to deradicalise others. The family tell

us of the guilt and trauma of surviving. I remember every few

hours, I forget that person's face, I didn't know if he was safe, if it

was that person and the people I used to know, they lived on the top

floors, all the familiar faces, no-one survived.

Are tower blocks still appropriate places to live?

We'll be discussing that and finding out what more can and should be done

where gay men have reportedly been taken and tortured.

Good Morning, here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

The family of a man arrested after a terror attack near a London

mosque say they are "shocked" and "devastated".

Father-of-four Darren Osborne, was held on suspicion of attempted

murder and terror offences after a van hit Muslim

Last night, the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, addressed a vigil

The Serious Fraud Office has charged Barclays and four former executives

including its former chief executive, John Varley with fraud.

The charges relate to emergency funding the bank raised from Qatar

and Abu Dhabi in 2008 to avoid a bail out.

More than ?200,000 has now been handed out to 180 families affected

by the Grenfell Tower fire in west London.

The payments were recorded by the government's newly formed

It said 78 families had been rehoused either locally

or in neighbouring boroughs, and that 126 hotel places

A couple who lived on the 15th floor with their daughter said they had

been temporarily housed on the ninth floor of a hotel. My daughter

doesn't sleep, my wife doesn't sleep because it's on their mind. It's the

ninth floor. We can't look out of the windows. I receive a call from

the council yesterday and she tried to provide and to find another

location. Yes. She said, I can't do it now because there is no way to do

it. There's many people. Many people have been trying. I said to her, why

people live on high floors and she said, we know about this

devastation, we tried to get a ground floor for everyone and we

couldn't. An American student,

who was freed last week by North Korea after spending 15

months in prison, has died. Otto Warmbier , who was 22,

was in a coma when he was His family has accused

North Korea of torturing him after he was arrested for stealing

a propaganda sign. The pound has fallen

sharply against the dollar after the Governor of the Bank

of England said he was against raising interest

rates any time soon. Speaking at the Mansion House

earlier this morning, Mark Carney said Brexit negotiations

meant it wasn't the time to increase the cost of borrowing

from its historic low From my perspective, given the mixed

signals on consumer spending and investment, and given the subdued

inflationary pressures, in particular anaemic wage growth, now

is not yet the time to begin that adjustment. In the coming months, I

would like to see the extent to which weaker consumption growth is

offset by other components of demand, where the wages begin to

firm and more generally, how the economy reacts to the tighter

financial conditions and the reality of Brexit negotiations.

A van driver has been killed after migrants put tree trunks

onto the motorway to stop traffic near the French port of Calais.

The incident happened in the early hours of the morning on the A16

motorway after the van, registered in Poland,

hit a lorry which had been blocked by the tree trunks.

Nine Eritrean migrants were found in one of the lorries.

A teenage boy has drowned in a reservoir in Rochdale

He was reportedly swimming with friends at the Greenbooth Reservoir

A police spokesman said there are not thought to be any

suspicious circumstances surrounding his death

Scientists have begun human trials of a cholesterol-lowering vaccine

The injection is designed to stop fatty deposits

It would offer patients an alternative to taking daily pills

to cut their risk of stroke, angina and heart attacks.

The number of tests carried out in England to identify if people

have issues such as sleep apnoea, has doubled in the last nine years.

It's believed one and a half million people across the UK

have the condition, which can cause sufferers to stop breathing

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

Coming up, we'll hear from Philip Hammond. Get in touch with us if

your thoughts. Now the sport. The Lions are in

action. Warren Gatland says there are still places for the side. Jack

Nowell with the first try of the half, the winger scampering over the

line. Ian Henderson was attempting to drive over, but the referee

decided to award a second penalty try. In a sliingtly more expansive

move, Jack Nowell again finding space for his second try. It's

turning into a very comfortable victory. The latest score with about

ten minutes to go in Hamilton, the Lions leading 34-6. Andy Murray says

winning at Queens would be a big boost to his Wimbledon preparations.

He's going for a sixth title in London and a third in a row and

claims he's played some of his best tennis in the tournament. He takes

on another Brit on Centre Court this afternoon. It was where I won my

first professional match so I have a lot of great memories over the years

I've played. It's been by far my most successful tournament. I love

the courts here, I like the conditions, it's very close to where

I live so I get to stay at home. The surprise loser on the first day at

Queens yesterday was beaten in three sets by his opponent. In Birmingham,

Naomi Brody reached the last 16 with a straight sets win over world

number 39. In Birmingham yesterday, Heather Watson lost. Later on, Johan

that Konta starts her campaign against her opponent. What about

this for a hero's welcome. This is the Pakistan captain arriving back

in Karachi after they beat India to win the ICC Champions Trophy at The

Oval on Saturday. He is in that car, I promise you! Ever even after the

special convoy from the airport, it took then the skipper nearly half an

hour to get from his vehicle to his house, he was surrounded by his

adoring fans, many of whom waited through the night to welcome home

their hero which led their country to that win against their rivals and

the odds too. Just before I go, time to tell you that Frankie Dettori

will miss the whole of Royal Ascot which starts today after a fall at

Great Yarmouth last week. He has an arm injury and will miss out on a

number of well-fancied rides. That's it for now.

Let's talk more about the mosque attack in London. The impact is

still very raw for those caught up in the attack. Raqia's husband was

injured and we can talk to her now. Thank you very much for joining us.

Tell us how your husband is first of all? My husband's doing a lot better

than yesterday. He's great and he's got of course a broken ankle and a

muscle problem, bruised muscles which is really bad at the moment,

but he's really good. I've been at the hospital all yesterday with him

and I've seen others who've got hurt and we have been very lucky that

east not in -- he's not in bad shape. We feel very sad for what

happened with the rest of the community on Monday night. Where was

he when the van drove into people? What was he doing and where was he?

He was on his way coming home and he saw this elderly man and he tried to

help him along with other men. There was a circle around him before they

know the white van hit them. The next thing he knew was that he was

on the near and he couldn't get up and he couldn't feel his legs.

Nevertheless, he tried to get up and members of the community were asking

him, you must stay calm. And so the numbness on his feet, and he was

worried and shocked. So he was helping the man on the ground who it

seems had had a heart attack and subsequently died, it's not clear at

this stage whether he died of the heart oi tack or having been hit by

the van, but did your husband not see the van even approaching because

he was helping that man? No, he was actually one of the first persons to

attend to help and as the men shouted for help, you know, in the

late hour, seeing somebody fall on to the near, it was quite dangerous,

an elderly man as well. So the last thing at that time you would think

about is actually a terrorist attack or any attack, particularly when it

is the holy month of Ramadan and the atmosphere in Finsbury Park is one

of the greatest places to be during the month of Ramadan. Everybody is

peaceful, loving and has been going there over 20 years, we never, ever

experienced such a thing. That's the last thing on your mind.

Thank you very much for joining us and we hope your husband gets better

soon, thank you. The issue of extremism

and radicalisation in the UK is most often associated in the media

with the threat of Islamist terror attacks, but one in four

of the people reported to the government's deradicalisation

programme are far right extremists. While the exact motivation behind

Sunday night's attack near a north London mosque are not yet known,

eye witnesses reported that after the attack he shouted,

"I want to kill Muslims". The attacker, who has been named

as Darren Osborne from Cardiff, was not known to the security

services in terms of So is the UK doing enough to tackle

far right extremism? And could this attack

have been prevented? We can now speak to Nigel Bromage,

who was formerly a far-right extremist including

with the violent group Combat 18. He's now reformed and works to help

deradicalise others. Sabby Dhalu is from the group

Stand Up To Racism. Sean Arbuthnot who has spent years

working in the government's deradicalisation programme,

Prevent. And Phillip Ingram,

a former senior intelligence Thank you very much for joining us.

Thank you. As I mentioned Nigel, one in four reports to Prevent are for

far-right radicals. Those figures have come out from the reviewer, for

the Government of the programme. He has said that far-right extremism is

as murderous as its Islamist equivalent. Do you think we have had

our eyes closed to this? I don't we have had our eyes closed, but

happened professional, schoolteachers etcetera have become

minister aware. So I think they have been able to highlight

recommendations. So they have used the channel process to challenge

extremist ideas. Are you surprised that one in four reports to Prevent

are about far-right extremism? I am surprised, but it doesn't shock me.

I think as time has been going on, more people have got angry. I think

they have decided to take action. When you say more people have got

angry, what is it, what's going on here? I just think people have

misread headlines and used emotion and took their emotion and not

really understood the facts. You think people have built on that and

then decided that for their point of view, you know, they need to step

up. Sean, you worked with Prevent. Has the threat been under estimated?

Has it been allowed to grow without people actually clocking perhaps

what was going on so much? To be perfectly honest with I think that

the threat may have been misunderstood by the wider public,

but certainly within Prevent we have been dealing with far-right

extremism for sometime. You mentioned that at the moment about

one in four referrals relates to the far-right. But when I was a Prevent

officer working in the police, 40% of my case load related to the

far-right and there are some parts of the country where there is almost

a 50/50 split between far-right extremism and Islamism extremism

being reported to Prevent. It's something that's been on our radar

for a long time and we're doing our best to get to the bottom of the

problem and solve it. So where is there a 50/50 split I believe Wales

and South Yorkshire have a very close split between Islamist and

far-right referrals. I think it's sitting at 30% in the East Midlands.

So basically, throughout the UK, we're getting these even handed

referrals sent to Prevent and in many cases the vulnerabilities that

are exhibited by these individuals who are referred to Prevent are very

similar. You know, they are two sides of the same coin in many

respects. They may feel isolated, angry, have low self esteem,

suffered bereavement and become politicised and extremist groups,

whether they are far-right or Islamist, they prey on those

vulnerabilities and give people easy answers to complex questions, they

make people feel valued and give them a sense of belonging so we try

and put in place supportive measures to safeguard people against those.

Are you surprised as many people will be to hear that there is as

much far-right extremism being reported to Prevent in some areas as

Islamist extremism? Do you think that that has been clear to people

in the wider communities? I'm not surprised, but I could understand

why yourself and others might be surprised looking at those figures

because I think that there is a bit of a double standard in the way we

treat terrorism. I think it's perceived in the public as Islamic

only problem and not really in relation to the far-right. I don't

think there is this narrative that it is a consistent problem and that

there is a problem of violence and terrorism on the far-right as much

as it is clear of a consistent and problem and a pattern with sort of

Isis-type extremism and that's clear in the public because you have just

to give you a few examples. So you had in 2013, an elderly man was

murdered by far-right terrorist and then he went on to actually bomb

mosques in the Midlands, in the West Midlands. He was known as the Tipton

Bomber and so that was in 2013 and then you had this Finsbury Park

terrorist attack yesterday. Yu you've also had the violent murder

of Jo Cox on the streets and you've also had a rise in violent

anti-Muslim hate crime with lots of women, I saw earlier on your

programme, saying that you know women wearing a hijab are targeted,

that you have had a rise in anti-Muslim hate crime over a period

of years and you've had far-right fascist groups targeting mosques on

a regular basis and they still do. They target mosques. There is a big

problem of far-right extremism and it needs to be tackled and treated

and there is a link with terrorism now and I think we need to take that

as seriously as we do Isis-type extremism. Philip Ingram, you are a

former senior intelligence officer. In terms of police resources in the

reassurance sense of things and resources deployed on the ground,

has this been reflected? You might think that if there had been a

nightly gathering of large numbers of people in other communities there

would have been a higher profile police presence around than there

was in Finsbury Park? I don't think we can criticise the police presence

because the police were on the ground within a minute of the

incident happening and they declared it as a terrorist incident. I'm

talking in terms of a deterrent and making communities feel safe in

difficult times. Police on the ground is one way of keeping the

community safe and it's educating the communities as to what the

threat is that's out there and I think one of the things that we have

to be careful of here is giving a voice to groups that are not

necessarily directly linked to atrocities and that will do is

stimulate more support for those groups whether they be Islamist

extremist or right-wing extremist and we have to be careful about how

we're doing things. The right-wing extremism has been around for a lot

longerment it was there when the terrorism was caused by Irish

terrorism. Terrorism has moved on to Islamist extremism terrorism. In 20

years' time, it might be a different flavour of terrorism, but the police

have got a good handle on the right-wing because most is to do

with public order offences. It is when national security comes in that

the intelligence services get involved in it. Have things changed?

What we have seen here is a similar attack to the ones carried out by

Islamist extremists using a vehicle to go into a crowd of people? Well,

there is, it's how people carry out attacks and there is two things that

the police and intelligence services and the national intelligence

services will be looking for. One is capability. Does someone have the

capability to carry out an attack? When an attack is carried out with

weapons and explosives, that was difficult for people to deal with.

Now they have been carried out in vehicles, it is finding out the

second bit which is the intent, who intends to do it? And individuals

who self radicalise, who motivate themselves on an afternoon to go and

do something that evening, it's very difficult for the police or the

Security Services and no matter how many you've got on the ground to be

able to pick that up and deal with it. Nigel, when we talk about

Islamist, extremism in the wake of an attack, there is talk of how

somebody was radicalised, how joined up, not necessarily always the case

when something happened with a far-right attack. What is the

evidence in terms of how joined up it is, what happens with recruiting

and radicalising people in the far-right? Recruitment on both sides

is very, very similar, you know, you take an emotion, you put a little

bit of facts in and all of a sudden if you can buy into a person's

vulnerabilities and offer them a vision all of a sudden they feel

valued. Maybe they are going through issues at home and they are part of

a normalisation, and these people are manipulated. You have to

understand what these people are going through is grooming, they are

being groomed for a political purpose. Thank you all, we are out

of time for this discussion. I'm sure it is great to have you all on

and I'm sure something we will be talking about more again. Thank you

very much. Let us know your thoughts on that as

well. The usual ways of getting in touch.

Formal talks between Britain and EU to discuss Brexit began yesterday.

And today EU ministers meet in Luxembourg to discuss the first

After the vote to leave the EU a year ago, a sometimes

bitter debate has raged about what exactly our future

relationship with the European Union should be with some senior

politicians calling for continued membership of the EU's single

market and customs union, and others advocating a so-called

"hard" or "clean" Brexit, that would see the UK entirely

A short time ago the Chancellor, Phillip Hammond, said Britain

would fight for the best possible deal but that he was confident

that it is possible for Britain and the EU to reach

The future of our economy is inexorably linked to the kind

of Brexit deal that we reach with the EU over the next 20 odd

months, and I'm confident we can do a Brexit deal that puts jobs

and prosperity first, that reassures employers

that they will still be able to access the talent they need,

that keeps our market for goods and services and capital open.

Let's get some analysis on this story now.

With me in the studio are three people with distinct views on how

the UK should proceed in its negotiations.

Chuka Umunna is a Labour MP who campaigned to remain in the EU.

He voted for Article 50 in parliament, but thinks

Britain should seek a "soft" Brexit settlement.

Suella Fernandes, a Conservative MP who campaigned to leave the EU

and Johnathan Isaby, the editor of Brexit Central,

He thinks we should leave the single market and the customs union.

Chuka Umunna first of all, do we actually have a real choice at this

stage? Philip Hammond says we are leaving the EU. We will be leaving

the single market, we will leave the customs union, the negotiations are

beginning? Well, I don't think you need to take the best option off the

table at the start of negotiations which is to remain a member of the

single market and to remain a member of the customs union all it with us

being outside of the European Union. To put it in context for your

viewers, Turkey is part of the customs union, but not part of the

European Union. Norway is part of the single market, but not part of

the European Union. Why does this matter? It matters for people's

jobs, we know that single market delivers lots of jobs, but also, if

we want to end seven years of damaging austerity, we need the

revenue coming into the exchequer to help make that happen. So for me, I

don't think the Chancellor should be taking the best economic options off

the table abouts You he has, hasn't he? Well, he doesn't have to do.

Let's not forget the role of Parliament. The arithmetic in this

new Parliament is final balanced and this Government is going to have

could come back to Parliament and get its deal approved. So that, the

idea that this is all decided by Number Ten, by Philip Hammond, and

ministers, is for the birds. It's going to be decided by Parliament in

a way it wasn't before. Sue, that's a good point, isn't it? Has the

election changed everything actually? Prior to the election, the

Government line was no deal is better than a bad deal. But talk now

of a hard Brexit, has been mitigated by what we have seen happen with the

election and where the Parliamentary balance lies? Well, over 80% of

people during the election voted for Brexit supporting parties. Parties

that made clear in their manifesto that they accept the result of the

referendum and that we're going to leave the European Union. Was it

clear what was meant by that Brexit? It wasn't really that well discussed

during the election campaign. People knew what they were voting or and as

the Chancellor made clear today and over the weekend, to get the best

economic benefits, to have a jobs-led pro prosperity Brexit which

is what I'm in favour of, we need to really happen into the potential of

this great opportunity that our country faces. Striking strayed

deals with the rest of the world which we can't do as long as we're

part of the customs union. Getting back control of our immigration

policy. And taking back control over our laws so coming out of the

jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. All of those things are

what people voted and without those Brexit doesn't mean anything.

Jonathan, do you think there will be no negative impact as a result of

coming out of the single market and the customs union?

It's clearly going to be an interesting few years...

Economically difficult or interesting? There are going to be

Issues that will have to be addressed. Awe politicians should

get behind securing the best deal for the UK, accepting that the

Labour and Tory manifestos both accepted the... How would the best

deal work for you? And what would it be? We want to see as close to

tariff free trade between the European Union and the United

Kingdom going forward. But also the ability to force those trade deals

with other countries around the world. We still want a close

relationship with neighbours. The Government have been extremely

positive in their tone, there are all kinds of issues, not least

security and terrorism which we need to continue to... The Government

hasn't been positive in its tone. During the general election, Theresa

May just after she went to see the Queen put that lectern outside

Number Ten and threatened to walk off without a deal. Her tone has

been absolutely appalling, not condusive to creating a good deal.

On economics, let's be clear, if you are part of the customs union, you

are part of a block of a dozen people who negotiate. The European

Union currently has 56 of those and just going back to the single

market. It's not just about, by the way, tariff free access and the

tariffs on goods, it's also about non-tariff barriers, being part of

this engine for social justice that sets a floor for employment rights,

consumer rights and environmental protections and it makes sense for

us to... Do you accept freedom of movement then? Membership of the

internal market necessarily means... Freedom of movement. Let me answer

your question. Freedom of movement at the moment is not unconditional

so at the moment... We have freedom of movement and control over

immigration policy because of our membership. That is not true. Let me

finish the answer. The EU can provide for people whoa don't have

the prospect of getting a job, after three months we can require them to

leave. We don't do that at the moment. If we did so, we could move

towards free movement of labour, as opposed to free movement of people.

Lift accident Stein is not in the European Union -- Lichtenstein is

not in the European Union but it's in the customs union. You said there

for the benefit of viewers, sort of understanding what the different

options are, viewers might be watching thinking, crikey, a year

ago we voted to leave, these negotiations that have begun, there

is no unifying position, no absolute clarity in terms of what is being

done. Isn't that the worst position to be in? Clearly we have to move on

from the referendum. You don't accept the result. I do, but there

are different ways of doing this. Theresa May said, my way or the

highway. The way she was proposing to do it was a job-destroying way.

Do you wish your party had been more explicit in the election about what

the vision was? The Labour Party set out a number of principles. Keir

Starmer said he could see Britain staying part of the customs union.

Harriet Harman said we have to leave. They are all over the place.

Contrast that with the Conservatives. Philip Hammond has

said we are leaving the customs union. That's really important for

trade and the economy for jobs and prices. Being part of the customs

union is a protectionist racket which puts prices up and stops us

dealing with the US and China. We have a trade deficit with the EU, a

trade surplus with the rest of the world. We need to help develop

countries, being more sustainable with trade. The customs union

punishing developing countries who want to trade into the EU customs.

How much trade do you believe there is? We are buying more than we sell

from the EU and have a deficit of ?71 billion. Contrast that with the

rest of the world where we are selling more than we buy. The

potential market for Britain for our manufacturers, financial services,

it's with the rest of the world... Joanna, the answer to your question

is this - the EU is our biggest customer so all the new economies,

merging economies we want to get on to, we want to sell more into them,

but they do not compare to the amount of trade we do with the

people in the single market. They are our biggest customer. Any

businessman will tell you you don't dump on your existing clients to

pursue new ones, you seek to retain your existing ones and seek to get

new ones. Still sell goods to the European Union after Brexit. You are

saying we buy goods, we buy more from the EU than we sell, but if

those trade agreements go and greater tariffs are put on the

imports, then life is going to get more expensive isn't it? Well, no,

because World Trade Organisation rules kick in. I'm not scared of no

deal. But are you certain that life will not get more expensive in We

use the trade organisation rules already, they protect us from

punitive tariffs. We only use those WTO rules at the moment as part of

the European Union. To act individually in the World Trade

Organisation, we need to... We can only do that by leaving the customs

union. Are the three of you... Negotiating with the EU members

who're part of that organisation. People talk about us... Yon than

just a quick final question - are you confident this country is

completely set up to carry out the best negotiations that we can, that

the best people are in position and that we are as well prepared for

this as the EU negotiators? Absolutely. That's the reason the

Government's spent the last year preparing the negotiations. There

are some who say we should have got on with the talks immediately after

Article 50. A clear structure for the talks, a sequencing in terms of

what gets talked about when, we don't seem to have had it from our

Government here, have we? Yesterday, David Davis and militia Elle Barnier

agreed the talks and those will happen over the coming months --

Michel Barnier. Chuka is still in denial of the vote. Please don't say

that, I accepted the will of the people. They voted to leave the

European Union. They did not vote for... But They did not vote for a

particular way of doing that. They made an argument for ?350 million a

week extra to go into the NHS and they've seen precious little of

that. That was the number one part of the vote leave manifesto that

both these individuals supported and it hasn't been delivered on yet.

Where's the ?350 million? We haven't left the EU yet. We'll pick up with

you guys again because this is going to keep going, obvious, will but

thank you very much for now. Now the sport.

The Lions have warmed up for the first test

against the All Blacks with their most emphatic

They beat the Chiefs 34 points to 6 in Hamilton with four tries...

Two coming from England wing Jack Nowell.

Coach Warren Gatland insists places are still up for grabs for that

A crucial victory for the England under 21s

Nathan Redmond scores the winner as they come from behind

Andy Murray begins his campaign to win a sixth

He plays another Brit - Aljaz Bedene - this

Saying another successful week in London will be a 'big boost'

to his Wimbledon preparations Frankie Dettori will miss

After a fall at Great Yarmouth last week.

He has an arm injury AND will miss out on a number

Almost a week on since the fire and many residents are still

complaining of a lack of support from the authorities,

a lack of clarity on temporary and long term housing,

and by far the biggest cause for tension is conflicting numbers

on just how many died in the tragedy.

Our reporter Michael Cowan met up with Amanda Fernandez a local

resident who whilst being evacuated from a neighbouring block herself

has been volunteering day and night for almost a week.

As a resident you can count the floors and know how many people

lived on that floor and you know people. So between us, my friends,

my mum and my family, the people that we know, we've got more than

130 people that are missing. That is the Portuguese, Colombian, Spanish,

Moroccan side of things. What about the rest of the people? There are

other people that know people who're missing. My half's just 130. So you

are saying you personally know 130 people who were in that building?

Yes, minimum. And sometimes, God forgive me, but sometimes I speak to

someone and they are like, oh, we haven't spoken to that person and

gosh I didn't think about that person. You forget and you think,

gosh I thought they lived in another block but they lived here. 130 to

us, that's a lot. That's a lot. The numbers coming out in the media is

wrong, that's what hurts you. You are releasing small numbers of

people not really understand the crisis of it. Fiasco, crisis, chaos,

it's, you know, it's something that you can't kind of programme and

there's no answers, no structure, you can't process anything. And you

are saying six days on from the fire, you are still having to find

accommodation for people, you are still having to, you personally as a

volunteer, are having to book transport for people to their

hotels? No-one is being given information still? No, you have just

caught me. My friend was booking a taxi for one of our friend's mums

who's just been put in a hotel nearby and you just heard one of my

neighbours saying we have been housed too far away. That's the

situation now and it's the sixth day. There's no hot water no, gas.

We are still ving having to come to sports centre or friend's houses to

have a shower, you can't watch your clothes. So even in the blocks they

have let people back into, there's no hot water, no gas? No. We are

being told two to four weeks. I understand it's not their fault, but

the information relayed doesn't make sense. There is a lot of

organisations going around saying, we can help you, but there's no kind

of main body saying come here and we'll give you the help, come here

and this is where you can come. We are doing that now but it's way too

late. When the fire was all over the news, 1 o'clock the next day, by now

they should have made so many arrangements for the evacuees,

survivors, get them in and start them putting in places, get the army

in, I'm not even joking. So many people were thinking, the army isn't

here and this was massive. Thousands of people have signed a

petition saying a public inquiry should be carried out.

A civil liberties lawyer who worked on the Hillsborough Independent

Panel joins me now. Thank you very much for coming in. Tell us how an

inquest and a public inquiry would differ? An inquest has a very

specific statutory purpose, it's to determine who died, where and when

the death occurred and how the deceased came by his death. It is

necessarily by law deferred pending any criminal investigation and so

here the current police investigation has to be concluded

first. Any prosecution emerging from it has to be concluded before an

inquest takes place and even then it will be within the narrow

parameters. In contrast, a public inquiry has wide-ranging powers of

much broader scope and should have greater resources to address a whole

range of questions that will emerge here. Do the same conditions not

apply for having to... That's the second difference. The public

inquiry need not await the criminal sheingtion, it can be implemented

and instituted immediately and that has happened before -- criminal

investigation. In the Ladbroke Grove fire disaster, for example, an

inquiry was set up within days, it reported within weeks and the point

is, urgent, imperative, not just for the families but the public at

large, the important thing is to find out what went wrong and put it

right. That cannot wait for years, that has to be addressed

immediately. The public inquiry can address that immediately without

excluding any of the survivors, any of the families, any of the other

civil society groups. It's mistaken and simply incorrect to say first of

all that it's either/or, it's not, you can have both an inquest and a

public inquiry where an inquest can follow in due course. Secondly, the

bereaved family's survivors and the public at large can participate

fully, including the questions of witnesses. Of course this is

dependent upon the resources being made available to the inquiry and

3-3 things that are prerequisites, funding for all participants so that

there is an even playing field, consultation on the chair of the

inquiry and consultation on the terms of reference of the inquiry.

Thank you very much. It's absolutely undeniable that people do want quick

answers. Mayor of London has said the fire was caused by mistakes and

neglect and has criticised the local council's response. The authorities

in Ken sing tonne and Chelsea say they have been working

around-the-clock to help survivors of the fire which killed at least 58

people. What more can we learn about the fire safety inside blocks like

Grenfell Tower where the blocks are still appropriate places for people

to live and what should be done in the aftermath of this event?

We can speak now to Andy Slaughter, the Shadow Minister for Housing,

Arnold Tarling, a fire saftety expert, Andrew Boff,

the Conservatives lead on housing in the London Assembly,

and Becka Hudson, from the Radical Housing Network.

First of all, you're a chartered surveyor and fire safety expert. The

Chancellor, Philip Hammond, said that the cladding was used on this

building is illegal? I disagree. It is not completely clear, is it? The

building regulations are a complete mess. They give a drawing called

diagram 40 which says the material has to be class O. You then have to

look at the back section E for a definition. Section E sends you to

appendix A and appendix A in two places states categorically that if

you have got two sheets of material that do not burn around the material

that will burn it complies. Now, there is false news coming out from

Government on the basis of a clause called 12.7. The point that you're

McIng is, it's really unclear, isn't it? It's perfectly clear because the

clause about insulation is not referring to metal cladding and

anyway, it refers you directly back to appendix A which tells you if you

have two sheets of metal you can put anything between it. Andy Slaughter,

is it clear enough? Do the building regulations need to be looked at?

What you just heard should persuade you that this does need urgent

attention. You just dealt with what are the two key issues. One is to

establish from those hundreds of thousands of people who live in high

rise blocks that they are safe in their homes and the second is, I'm

glad we had clarity on the public inquiry point, we need a public

inquiry set-up, we need the terms of reference, I don't know why we

haven't got them yet which give victims and their families the right

to audience and full representation so that people can get justice. I

thought those would be the two issues, they would be the two main

issues we are talking about now. It's shock that we're still talking

about disaster relief a week on. I have been down there every day and I

spoke to the MP for Kensington and she was there yesterday and there

were still people, as your interviews show are in severe need.

In terms of establishing whether people in high rise homes are safe,

how much progress has been made and how reassured can anyone living in a

high rise home in London be now? The maintenance of tower blocks is a

complex issue. I been pushing for many years now for us to effectively

stop building these things and not just on the basis of their

maintenance, the difficulties in maintaining them, but the social

outcomes from tower blocks are pretty poor. Every survey reveals

that. They don't really provide... They are not going to disappear

overnight. Many people are calling for the existing 500 in London to

have a programme of getting rid of them and building proper low rise

homes. But also, more urgently, we have a London plan in front of us.

Which needs to be amended to take into account of the fact that people

don't want to live in these places. There are 263 in the pipeline at the

moment to be built this London. So Becca, right here, right now, what

do peel want, people living in those blocks? Well, I think firstly, it

would be a huge mistake to place the blame on tower blocks and on council

housing and on council tenants, that will continue. The process that we