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Jodie Whittaker tells fans not to be scared of her gender as she's revealed as the new Doctor Who, Victoria gets reaction to the announcement.

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Hello, it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,


Our top story today - a woman whose mother and sister


were murdered by her step-father tells this programme why she wanted


to revisit the scene of their deaths and how what happened will stay


Even my mum was cowering, she was on her knees, Catherine. Can you


imagine having to beg for your life? It's just barbaric.


We'll bring you that full report in about 14 minutes.


Also on the programme - claims that the government


is dragging its feet over tougher sentences for people


From a young age, we educate that knife crime is how bad it is and gun


crime except but chemical attacks, substance attacks, are becoming more


and more frequent now and there needs to be something done to stop


it. The issue is being debated


in parliament today - we'll speak to the MP leading


the motion and to a victim of an attack who's been left


with severe burns on her face And - the new Doctor Who is a woman


- and predictably some Jodie Whittaker tells fans not to be


scared of her gender. Welcome to the programme,


we're live until 11 this morning. A little later we'll speak


to the greatest of all time, 8 times Wimbledon winner and 19


grand slams - 35 year old Roger As always do get in touch


on all the stories we're talking about this morning -


use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged


at the standard network rate. Our top story today,


a terminally ill man will this morning begin a High Court challenge


to the ban on assisted dying. Noel Conway, who's 67 and has


motor neurone disease, wants a doctor to be allowed


to prescribe a lethal dose of drugs when his health


deteriorates further. Under the law, any doctor


who helped him to die would face up Opponents say a change in the law


would place the weak But Mr Conway says that


as his disease progresses, he fears becoming entombed


in his body. I do not want to die very


slowly of suffocation and being semiconscious until I am


in a condition where I don't even For some people, they say


that is good palliative care. But I am sorry, that is not


an acceptable option for me. They cannot tell me


how long it will take. It could be days, it could be weeks,


it could be even longer. I am going to be left


in a situation at some amount of suffering,


actually being locked in my own body, or are facing


a slow, suffocating death, drifting off slowly


into unconsciousness. We can speak to our Health


Correspondent Fergus Walsh. We have had similar cases in the


past, judges have often said it's a decision for Parliament, Parliament


last voted on this in 2015, similar terror true. No, talking about a


narrow group of people. He is, talking about people who have less


than six months to live and are terminally ill. In a sense he is the


first case that fits the description of the attempt on successful attempt


that was brought by a Labour MP in 2015 to change the law. -- similar


territory. In 2014 the Supreme Court rejected a previous case involving


Tony Nicholson who had locked in syndrome and two other men but it


said this is a matter for MPs, a matter for Parliament. And


Parliament rejected it after a four Howard debate but things are


constantly evolving, more states in the US are now allowing assisted


dying, parts of Australia are considering it as well. And there is


a lot of public support for it in the opinion polls that are done


although those who are against says it depends how you asked the


question. Yes. Are there any parallels, similarities between this


case of North Conway and the case of the terminally ill baby Charlie


card? I think there are because both involve end of life care, both are


terminally ill, and both raise profound issues as medical


technology improves and people can be kept alive longer. That is where


legally similarities end because in the case of Charlie guard his


doctors say he should be allowed to die with dignity and bad in bowls


withdrawing treatment which is perfectly legal. In the case of


normal Conway, he says he wants to die with dignity but he needs a


doctor to actively do something and it's that active giving him this


lethal dose of barbiturates that would mean they were falling foul of


the suicide act and they would face up to 14 years in prison but both


raise profound issues. Neither has any indications for the other but


interesting that both are before the High Court. And in the case of


Charlie guard, an American neurologist is due to meet the


doctors at great arms. That's right, he was invited back in January but


declined to come, he is a busy man and runs a mitochondrial research


unit in New York, but he has agreed to come. The judge has said if both


sides, he am the doctors at great Ormond could reach a mediated


settlement he would be delighted. But at the beginning of last week


when this case came back to the High Court with the claims of new


evidence, the judge said it would take something pretty dramatic to


make him change his mind but this will be the first time that the


doctor in America has seen Charlie guard and had access to all his


medical records for jihad and asked 4-by-4. He's going to be here today


and tomorrow and then the High Court judge has said he will bring it back


to Court next week and will make a decision. Thank you, Fergus. Fergus


is our medical correspondent. More on both those stories later in the


programme. Now, a summary of the rest


of the days news. Here is to wonder. -- here is


Joanna. Victoria will speak to victims of


acid attacks and the MPs you arranged for the debate at 935.


The Brexit Secretary David Davis has called for both sides to "get down


to business" this morning as the next round of negotiating


Mr Davis is meeting the European Commission's chief


Key issues will include the future rights of EU citizens in the UK


and British citizens living in other member states.


As the Foreign Secretary Oris Johnson explains. I'm pleased


negotiations are beginning and as you know, a very fair and serious


offer has been put on the table by the UK Government about citizenship,


the value we place on the 3.2 million EU citizens in our country,


I think the very good offer we are making to them and the security they


can have about their future and I hope very much that people will look


about for in the spirit it deserves because I think it's a great offer.


Thank you. The final route for


the controversial HS2 rail line north of Birmingham will be


announced today - There's also more detail on who has


been awarded contracts worth nearly 7 billion pounds to work


on the first stretch of the line - and information


on around 16,000 jobs. Our Business Correspondent


Joe Lynam has more. It's Britain's biggest investment


ever in public transport. HighSpeed2 is designed to cut


journey times and increase the number of passenger


seats between London It's been six years


in the planning but now the first construction contracts have been


signed, and they're worth ?6.6 billion, which the government says


will support 16,000 jobs The first trains aren't


expected to run, though, until 2026, by which time they hope


to carry 300,000 passengers per day. ?50 billion on a track


of this nature... The Stop HS2 Campaign


in the Chiltern says it will only benefit the richest in society


and the corporations who build it. And reports on the weekend said HS2


could end up as the most expensive Even so, the muddy work of spades


in the ground begins next year for what the government


calls "The backbone Stacy Banner has returned


to her mother's home for the first time since her mum was killed


by her step-father, who also shot dead her sister


at their puppy farm in 2014. In April the Independent Police


Complaint's Commission found that two Surrey Police staff were rebuked


for returning shotguns to John Lowe, who later murdered Christine


and Lucy Lee. And you can see that film


of Stacy Banner returning For the first time Doctor Who will


be a woman, she's been unveiled as Jodie Whittaker but everyone


is happy about the change. The actress said she wanted to tell


fans not to be scared by her gender. There has been mixed reaction in the


newspapers and from commentators something men are being


marginalised, others saying the change is long overdue.


And Victoria will be talking to fans and the Editor


of Doctor Who magazine to see their reaction at 9.45.


So many of you giving your views, Rees saying Jodie Whittaker is


brilliant, especially excited and used by crew men getting upset by


this. In an audio series Arabella Weir played the Doctor, one pure has


said, give her a chance. Martin on Facebook says millions of fans stop


watching several years back, this is just several more nails in the


Doctor Who Coughlan. -- one. Another viewer said it would be great if it


encourages girls to get involved in science. Terry on Facebook says it


is brilliant, excellent choice, bring on the next series. Delyn says


its great a woman has got the role, the eccentric he could look theme


was getting stale. Elisabeth says what is all the fuss about? Michelle


says she is a great actress and will be brilliant. Many of you will know


her from broad church. She was amazing in that role. Get in touch


with us throughout the morning. Some sports news. Blair is here and


amazing Roger Federer. Good morning. Such a massive day for him


yesterday, watched on Centre Court by his family including his two sets


of twins, becoming the first man to win Wimbledon eight times eating


Marin Cilic in straight sets, not dropping a single set which is a


record in itself. The first man to do that in 41 years. Now part of


Wimbledon history of poets worth mentioning Martina Navratilova has


won the ladies singles title nine times before. But at the age of 35,


he becomes the oldest man in the open era to win at the All-England


Club after spending six months away from the sport last year, missing


the French Open in June but he said that Wimbledon is his favourite and


he hopes to come back next year to defend his title. Good news for


Johanna Konta. Excellent news, the world rankings are out and after


that incredible run at Wimbledon she is the fourth test player in the


woman's game. Moving from seventh to fourth after Garbine Muguruza beat


Venus Williams in the finals on Saturday. Angelique Kerber still


number one. Andy Murray keeping his spot at the top of the world


rankings despite losing to Sam Querrey. The first time since 1975


that a British man and woman have made the top five. Great news. An


unusual mixed dubber is -- doubles or Kim cloisters. This has to be the


most endearing moment this year away from the serious sporting


achievement, four-time grand slam winner Kim cloisters invited a fan


to join her on Court, this was during the individual doubles on


Friday. It was after he was shouting suggestions were she should serve.


She also said he had to look the part, he had to wear a skirt. She


was in stitches but he eventually managed to get it on. What a sport!


A serve coming up. This is surprising. Kim was serving, he


beckons her, he lobbed it loving that. He was a good sport,


eventually hitting the net. Great sport, hosing or picture is a little


bit later. I think it's the Wimbledon equivalent of come and


have a go if you think you are hard enough. My favourite moment of


Wimbledon away from the sporting events. Victoria, back to you. Thank


you. A woman whose mother and sister were


shot at a family farm in Surrey tells us why she wanted to visit the


scene of their deaths. 82-year-old John Lowe murdered his wife and step


daughter along with four puppies in 2014. Police had returned his


shotguns to him before he murdered them. Christine Lee's other daughter


was at her family home three miles away. She was arrested after the


deaths and now an Independent Police Complaints Commission review has


found misconduct claims against one Surrey police sergeant involved in


the case. Two other detectives have been cleared. Almost three years


after the murders, Stacy wanted to revisit the scene where her family


was killed and asked us to be there with her. During the visit, she


becomes very upset but was determined to carry on. You might


find some of the details in this report distressing.


It's almost like expecting something to happen.


For the first time in three years, Stacy Banner has returned


to the family farm near Farnham in Surrey where her sister Lucy


and her mum Christine were shot dead in 2014 by this man,


It brings back so many terrible memories.


if there was anything that reminded me of them.


The two deceased appeared to have gunshot wounds.


The officers also found a total of four dogs at the address,


all of whom also appeared to have had gunshot wounds.


So what drove this 82-year-old to carry out such


If he hadn't have got those guns back then they would be here,


They would be alive, they would be fine,


my children would be, you know, able to see them.


A year before the killings, in March 2013, John Lowe's seven


shotguns were seized by Surrey Police following


But five months later the guns and his licence were returned and,


in February 2014, Christine, who had known Lowe for more


than 25 years, was shot at point-blank range.


Her daughter Lucy escaped and made a frantic 999 call before


She's running down the drive, OK, and making that call.


Surrey Police were strongly criticised by the Independent Police


Complaints Commission for returning John Lowe's collection of shotguns.


Stacey's account of what happened that day is very distressing.


Can you imagine having to beg for your life?


The police described what happened in the house as an execution.


And I keep thinking, you know, she should've hid.


It took her quite a long, it wasn't instant with Lucy.


You know, the police took 45 minutes to get there,


He couldn't leave me her, I want her back.


John Lowe, just hours after being arrested,


He claimed the murder was an accident.


I was going to the door, holding the gun up to go to the door.


So I pulled the trigger, I don't know if I even meant to.


Now, Surrey Police had records of John Lowe's violent history.


He had made repeated threats to kill, and even lied


on his firearms application, but yet he was still given


One of the reasons why people are so shocked, likely,


is because this is not commonplace in England.


I've come to meet Surrey's Police and Crime Commissioner, David Munro.


I'm afraid the firearms licensing unit did not behave


as it should have done, and made catastrophic


mistakes which led to this tragic, tragic result.


There was a catalogue of errors in the firearm licensing department.


They handed John Lowe back his guns, and as a result of that he murdered


As soon as the murders happened, we got in independent police forces


to review our firearms licences, so I am confident that the firearms


licensing unit is now fit for purpose, which it clearly wasn't


The tragedy should never have happened.


The two officers who were held responsible for failing to carry out


proper checks on John Lowe have since been dismissed


He was just, his job was as a guard dog.


Mandy worked with John Lowe and says she still has nightmares about him.


Speaking for the first time, she says that she was also


threatened by the pensioner on his farm.


We had the RSPCA there, we had the police there.


He didn't have his guns back at this time.


We had to remove all the dogs from the farm because the RSPCA


were taking them, and John stood at the fence and said,


"If I had my guns, I'd shoot the effing lot of you."


They still gave him his guns back later on.


And he said that in front of the police?


He said that in front of the police, while we were walking out with arms


We'd had to borrow leads to get the dogs away from that.


Remember the last time when you see her?


Stacey, her two children, and her husband Andrew say


they are still coming to terms with the pain their


The circumstances and how brutal the murder was,


the more and more that came out over time, the more dreadful it got.


Then you see stuff on the news that you wasn't even told yourself,


you find out on the news what actually had happened instead


It wasn't great to see Stacey watching that kind of thing


To me, it should've been done better, it should've been dealt


And it's all the more upsetting for Stacey that the mum and sister


she loved so much should have died in such tragic circumstances.


They were incompetent, they were complacent, and they've


What are you doing in order to prevent this happening ever again?


We have implemented in full all recommendations.


We have a new leadership team in place.


I'm confident they are giving this whole area -


it's a complex area, firearms licensing -


the attention that it deserves, and I will be making sure


that they keep their eye on the ball.


John Lowe, seen here in 2014, will spend the rest


Christine and Lucy Lee's murders offer a rare glimpse into a tragic


crime and the impact on the victims left behind.


Stacey says that she's decided to speak out with her family


in the hope that her story will resonate as a vivid


account of what happens when mistakes are made.


He has wrecked my life, because I have no roots.


Everyone's got that, "I'm going to my mum's this weekend," or,


Just last week a Surrey Police detective involved in the case


was found guilty of misconduct after arresting Stacey in 2014.


This was following the death of her mum and sister.


Meanwhile two other detectives were cleared.


We'll talk to Stacy later on in the programme. Coming up, acid attacks -


we'll talk about that later. Plus we'll hear from Roger Federer, the


greatest of all-time after his eighth Wimbledon win.


And the new Dr Who Jodie Whittaker deals with criticism of her


appointment by tells fans not to be scared of her gender. He's not


bothered! We'll talk to some of those fans in the next half hour.


Time for the latest news with Joanna.


Our top story today, a terminally ill man will this


morning begin a High Court challenge to the ban on assisted dying.


Noel Conway, who's 67 and has motor neurone disease,


wants a doctor to be allowed to prescribe a lethal dose


of drugs when his health deteriorates further.


Under the law, any doctor who helped him to die would face up


Opponents say a change in the law would place the weak


A 20-year-old man has been charged in connection with the murder of a


girl at the weekend. He has been charged with possession with intent


to supply a Class A drug. The 15-year-old was found unconscious at


a park in Newton Abbott over the weekend.


The final route for the controversial HS2 rail line


north of Birmingham will be announced today -


There's also more detail on who has been awarded contracts worth nearly


7 billion pounds to work on the first stretch


of the line - and information on around 16,000 jobs.


The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson explains what will be happening in


the Brussels round of talks. We can't bring you that now. We'll


bring you that later. American neurologist who's offered


to carry out a new therapy on the terminally ill baby,


Charlie Gard, is due to meet Eat Ormond Street Hospital -


where Charlie is being treated - The High Court is


considering his case. For the first time Doctor Who will


be a woman, she's been unveiled as Jodie Whittaker but everyone


is happy about the change. The actress said she wanted to tell


fans not to be scared by her gender. There has been mixed


reaction in the newspapers and from commentators something men


are being marginalised, others saying


the change is long overdue. And Victoria will be talking


to fans and the Editor of Doctor Who magazine


to see their reaction at 9.45. More people are delighted about her


becoming the 13th Dr Who, than those who're not so delighted. Here is Liz


with the sport. Roger Federer says he plans to


return to defend his title in eczema. He turns 36 next summer,


winning for the eighth time at the All-England Club. -- to defend his


title in the summer. Johanna Konta reaches a career high of four in the


world after losing to Venus Williams in the semifinal. It's the fourth


day of the second test for England cricket against South Africa, hoping


to avoid defeat at Trent Bridge. Resuming on 1-0. That's all from me.


I will be back at 10am. The government is being accused of


dragging its feet over tougher sentences for people who carry out


acid attacks. There were 450 attacks in London alone last year, double


the number from 2015. Harsher punishments and stricter rules for


buying crews of substances will be debated in Parliament but victims


want to know why it's taken so long to get the issue talked about in the


Commons. Something first raised on this programme in April by Chris


Bonnie who was attacked with acid by strangers on the doorstep of his


home. There needs to be some form of education, it's not acceptable to


use it as a weapon. From a young age, sorry, we educate that knife


crime, how bad it is, gun crime but chemical attacks, substance attacks,


they are becoming more and more frequent and there needs to be


something done to stop it. We can talk now to Stephen Timms,


the Labour MP that has organised tonight's debate,


Jaf Shah from the Acid Survivors Trust International


and Tara Quigley, who had acid thrown at her in 2013


leaving her with severe burns on her face and neck; she's had 15


operations to date on the burns. Tara, thank you so much for talking


to us, tell the audience for happened to you. I was at my home


address, I had a young man knocked on my front door, he asked for


someone of a name that didn't live there, he went away, five minutes


later he returned and threw acid acne. Without saying a word.


Basically destroyed my life in one action. Tell us about the treatment


you had since then. I had plastic surgery, skin grafts, realignments


of my skin, it just goes on and on, 15 operations. Is that how it feels,


it feels like he has destroyed your life? Definitely. You have any idea


why he did what he did? None whatsoever, he refused to give any


information. But he has been caught. Yes, he was caught with them I think


the first two weeks. And he's never ever given any steered to the


officers investigating your case? Not whatsoever, he was quite


ignorant to the fact. What you think about the debate now for either new


legislation or a database of Thibaut who buy acid or an age limit,


restriction on those who buy this corrosive substance? I think it's


long, long overdue to be honest, excuse me. I think this should have


been done years ago. We are just showing the audience an image of you


after the acid was thrown at you. Can you recall the sensation as it


was on your head? It was horrible. I could see my skin bubbling and the


pain was excruciating. It was the worst day of my life, by far. And


how are you now? Not just physically but also mentally? I think the


mental side of it in some ways is the worst because physically, the


doctors have healed me as such and they've done amazing work with me


but mentally, it's never going to leave me. It's an everyday thing, I


think about it every day, I fear it every day, I think of it every


night, its ongoing, part of me now. Right. Tara, I am going to bring in


another guest, from the acid survivors trust International. What


should be in place to prevent what happened to Tara happening to


someone else? We released a study looking at UK legislation back in


November, 2015. We made recommendations that the government


should be introducing tighter controls on the sale of acid,


particularly sulphuric acid in concentrated form. Through a


licensing system, like licensing systems we have for knives and guns,


that should happen immediately. On top of that, we are conscious of the


fact young perpetrators are perpetrating many of these, an age


restriction should apply to purchasing not just sulphuric acid


and household products which have high corrosive content. And I think


at the end of the day, we need a lot more research on the problem. We


don't have a clear picture, we need a better understanding of the


perpetrators, what either demographics... They are all young


men, aren't they? But we don't necessarily know the motivation


behind the attacks, we get a conflict in picture, some attacks


relating to robbery, had crime, gender-based violence, and some


unprovoked. We need to get a clearer pattern, once we have a clearer


pattern we are better able to introduce a more targeted response.


Stephen Timms, good morning. Good morning. Do you think we need new


legislation or have we got the legislation we need, it's just we


need prosecutors and judges to use what we have? I think we need


changes in the law and I very much agree with both your previous


speakers. I think first of all carrying acid should be a criminal


offence in the same way that we made carrying a knife a criminal offence.


Of course in both instances there are perfectly legitimate uses of


knives and acid. Sorry to interrupt, what we have this possession of acid


or other corrosive substances with intent to do harm can be treated as


possession of an offensive weapon. That's right but the is proving


someone has the intent to do harm if they have not actually done harm.


I'm saying that simply possessing acid should be a criminal offence on


less is a good reason why it's somebody has got at. That's the


change we made in the case of knives, we could equally do that in


the case of acid and I hope the Home Secretary today confirms the


government will make that change. The other one, picking up from what


your previous guest has said, sulphuric acid should only be sold


to someone who has a license to buy it, that's a change recommended by


the British Retail Consortium, either shopkeepers themselves. The


regulations are already in place to make that possible, government will


make that change too. Acid attackers, as you probably know can


be given life sentences, that is the maximum available for causing


grievous bodily harm with intent. Would you read a message out to the


judicial to start using the powers they have? Yes, I think they should.


The Home Secretary of the weekend said she was going to review the


sentences for people or conflict had up acid attacks. I think we need


tougher sentences and more consistent sentencing because


although sometimes life sentences have been used other times really


very small sentences have given, I think we need consistency and the


guidelines need to spelt that out. Why do you think we have seen a rise


in this country of these kinds of attacks? I think it's linked to a


clamp-down on the use of other illegal weapons like knives and


guns, perpetrators have identified a loophole in the system because there


isn't sufficient control around acid... Getting hold of it. Yes. At


acid leaves a very visible mark. On its intended fit in, enormous amount


of scarring. I think for some would-be perpetrators that's part of


the perverted appeal, it's about leaving a visible scar on your


victim. Tara, what would you message be to politicians who will talk


about this in the House of Commons today? Just, please, please change


the law, may get a compulsory life sentence and I totally agree with


the sales of acid, having to produce some sort of is that ID or hold a


licence. All right, thank you so much. We appreciate your time. Tara


Quigley who had acid thrown out in 2013. Thank you very much to my


other guests as well. Coming up, we'll be live


at Wimbledon to speak to this year's That is around in 30 minutes time,


we hope, possibly one of the nicest men in sport!


Some men are angry that a woman has been chosen to play Doctor Who.


for her roles in the crime drama Broadchurch, is taking it


all in her stride telling fans not to "be scared of her gender, saying.


It feels completely overwhelming; as a feminist,


as a woman, as an actor, as a human, as someone who wants


to continually push themselves and challenge themselves,


and not be boxed in by what you're told you can and can't be.


She'll take over from Peter Capaldi in this years christmas


special, ecoming the 13th doctor since the 1960s.


You will have to destroy all living matter. I never said that but I


maintain I have the right to decide what I look like. I got lost in the


time vortex. The TARDIS brought me home.


How about this? Much better, let's settle for this. I am off to visit


the scene of the crime. Tell me on the way. Can you hear me? Open your


mouth, you must drink this. Doctor? You were expecting someone


us? I... Stereo is and eager breath makes you sound and appear rather


egotistical, young lady! Where am I? Who are you? Stay back. This is


idiotic. I apologise. Physician, heal by self!


Of course, I suppose it makes sense. Wearing a bit thin. I hope the years


are rabid less conspicuous this time! Absolutely fantastic! And you


know what? So was I. His body repairs itself, it changes, but you


can't! I'm sorry, it's too late. I'm regenerating.


No! No! Please don't. Who's that girl?


We can chat about this more now with Doctor Who fans,


Katy Jon Went, Kavita Kakur, Ben Bradford and the editor of


What do you think? I am ecstatic, over the Moon, we need a shake-up


and we've been waiting for a female doctor for ages. When was the last


time we women had a great female role model to look up to? Long time


coming. We've already shaken up sexuality in the Doctor Who world,


so to speak. Just explain. Bring back torchwood. Torchwood shook up


things around sexuality and the character of Bill, same sex. And I


think it's already had and played with sexuality plenty and it has


been time to do gender and the master has been missing for three


years. Get over it. Then, for about you? I think it's great, when I saw


Jodie Whittaker I was excited and it was great. Because she's a woman or


a great actress? Or both. Great actor, the female aspect, she gives


it a new twist. Tom, does it give it a new twist? Is it we generate, to


use that word, rejuvenate Doctor Who? I think audiences have been


falling away a little. A little, there is always an ebb and flow to


something so popular, then it's been around for 54 years. Back in 1960,


in 66, William Hartnell left the programme and that they hadn't


decided to do something different that wouldn't have lasted any longer


than that, there's always going to have to be new and inventive ways to


keep something fresh and there's no reason why a woman couldn't play the


part. Jodie Whittaker is fantastic. I'm really looking forward to seeing


what she does. In the past, she tipped herself to


take over as the doctor at some point. This was Olivia Cole's


reaction. She's brilliant, it's a classy


decision, she'll do it so well. My only thing to say


is to leave her alone and let her do her job brilliantly,


because it's a massive, massive thing she's undertaken,


and she will be great. It's not her job to fly the flag


for all of women kind. The creatives made the right


decision, decided that part should She'll do that part better


than anyone, and yeah, So let her get on with the job, it's


not her job to do the job for womankind? Why does it matter


whether the doctor is a woman It does matter to some, not many, but


some people are cross about it. Yes. They think it's just about political


correctness and a sort of "typical BBC decision". Right, but I think


Jodie's a fantastic actress and she'll do it justice. If that's the


case, they should have been upset from the Advent of the programme


itself. It was female envisioned from the outset, there were female


producers at time, women have been involved in its production from the


beginning. There have been brilliant female characters in it. Yes, it's


probably one of the most diverse programmes out there, but it needs


to be more so. There'll be people out there saying, why couldn't it


have been a black woman. You can't tick every single box but it's a


long-awaited diverse shift that I think will bring a new charm and


character to the role. She's also not representing all of womankind,


she's going to represent her character and her role. She's


already said she's got to channel 13 other personalities of the doctor


already so the character, the gender may change and the character will


take shifts, but the personality of the doctor will remain the same.


Interesting to see if Chris uses the... Chris is the new executive


producer and he workeded with Jodie Whittaker on broad church. And


Olivia Coleman. I think we are going to have a very interesting show. Was


it a surprise or not Tom when you heard it was Jodie Whittaker,


bearing in mind Chris worked with her on broad church? I suppose it's


not the biggest surprise because you look at people who Chris has worked


with before and she's going to be flailing at the top of the list. I


was surprised as everyone else was when it was the hood being pulled


back and it was her because I didn't have any advance warning. When we


can stop talking about the fact that it's a woman and specifically Jodie


Whittaker, that will be the big moment, because the real question


is, what is she going to do with it, how will she convince us she's the


same character that's been played by all these other men? I'm really


looking forward to that because I think she'll do it really well.


Martin says on Facebook, still the BBC are trying to twist a negative


into a positive. Try doing a live poll before spouting rubbish. I'm


going on messages the programme and actually, there are not many


criticising the decision to make the 13th doctor a woman. That is what I


was going on. Adele says it's long overdue, not for any PC reason but


it could provide new refreshing material. I couldn't watch it much


after David Tenant but I think Whittaker could add a new diamongst


and aisle excited by it. Simon says, anyone who has a problem with it


should jump in a Tardis and join us in the modern day. The seer I haves


was getting stale and needed something fresh. It should have been


done for the sake of the stories, but not for political correctness.


Men aren't being marginalised but we are being reduced and about time.


Sydney says, people really upset at the new doctor as a woman? ! It's


pathetic, grow up. What do you think about the fact Ben that Jodie


Whittaker said in a statement, apart from being thrilled, delighted and


overwhelmed, don't be scared of my gender? They shouldn't be scared of


her gender, she's going to be playing the doctor, rather than the


female doctor and it's exciting. There can't be any other way to


describe it. But the fact that she put that in her statement? It means


that people are still kind of hung up on the idea of gender. I think in


the last couple of episodes, they've been hinting with clues that there


is going to be a change and that it's swinging towards a female.


There was a Q A rather than a statement but you know what I mean.


OK, we'll look forward to it. Thank you very much all of you.


Plenty more on this later in the programme. Get in touch with your


own views. Next an American Doctor Who has offered to carry out a new


therapy on the terminally ill baby Charlie Gard is due to meet the


medical team today. He says there is a 10% chance the treatment could


help the little boy. It's the latest development in this long-running


legal battle between his parents and doctors at Great Ormond Street


Hospital. You know, he wakes up,


he enjoys his tickles, we lie next to him, he watches


videos on the iPad So, you know, if he were suffering,


I couldn't do it, I promise you. I can't, still, to this


day, cannot get my head round when we took him into this


hospital, they don't Like, there is somewhere


out there that does. And they've basically just


kept him a prisoner there. And, you know, our parental rights


have been completely stripped The reality is that Charlie


can't see, he can't hear, he can't move, he can't cry,


he can't swallow. Immensely sadly, his condition


is one that affords him no benefit. But they are slower


than what they should be. You know, they're not


normal for his age. I wouldn't be able to sit


there and watch my son suffer or be in pain,


I promise you that. There's a lot of people that say,


oh, I couldn't do it, We will talk more about that in the


next hour of the programme. In a few minutes, we'll bring you


the latest news and sport, of course, and much more comments about


the issues in the news today. Before all of that, let us bring you a


weather update and here is Lucy Martin and it's her first day on our


programme. Hello, welcome! Hello there, thank you Victoria.


Some hot weather over the next few days. We'll see some blue skies.


Beautiful photos sent in by some of our weather-watchers. There was


plenty of blue skies around this morning, not a cloud in the sky.


Good spells of sunshine and it will feel warm in the sunshine. For


Northern Ireland and Scotland and parts of northern England, more in


the way of cloud first thing this morning. That will thin and break


and allow for some good spells of sunshine. The cloud becoming confine


toed the far north of Scotland. Light drizzle possible there. A


beautiful day today. Plenty of sunny spells around and plenty of


brightness. A bit of high level cloud.


For Wales and Northern Ireland, plenty of brightness too.


For Scotland, plenty of brightness and sunshine here. Temperatures


responding in the low 20s. Where we have got that cloud, the


temperatures slightly clipped back. Through the evening, the far north


of Scotland holds on to the cloud. It will become dry and there'll be


clear skies for Northern Ireland and Scotland. More cloud pushes into the


south-west into the early hours. It's a muggy night with overnight


lows of between 11 and 18. For Tuesday, high pressure remains in


charge but it starts to shift to the east, meaning we are going to drag


in warmer air from the near continent.


It will be a bright start to the day. The best of the sunshine across


Northern Ireland and Scotland first thing. For Wales and the south-west,


a bit more cloud first thing. Then we are beginning to thin and break


it. The chance of thundery showers pushing south-west. Feeling really


warm with highs of 29. It will be a touch cooler on the East Coast. As


we go through Tuesday night, we'll start to see the showers creeping up


towards the north. They'll become a little more heavy as we move into


the early hours. Temperatures on Wednesday are going to be really


warm so there is the chance for England and Wales to see some


thundery showers. Starting in the east and gradually making their way


to the west. Becoming fresher through Thursday and Friday. If you


don't like it as warm, that will be a welcome relief for you. Slightly


more changeable with a few outbreaks of rain. Some brightness as we move


through the day today. Hello, it's Monday, it's 10 o'clock,


I'm Victoria Derbyshire, We'll speak to the daughter of the


puppy farm murder victim. He beat her, shot the doings. Then stood


over her with that gun. (BLEEP) Absolute monster. We'll talk


to Stacy in the next few minutes. The terminally ill man


who will begin a High Court challenge this morning to challenge


the ban on assisted dying. Noel Conway says he wants the right


to die when his health I do not want to die very slowly of


sufficiencation and being semi conscious until I'm in the position


where, you know, I don't even know what's going on. Why should I have


to do that? I know I'm going to die. Noel Conway has motor neurone


disease. We'll hear from him later on. Also today: And the new Dr Who


is a woman and some people aren't happy but Jodie Whittaker tells fans


not to be scared of her gender. Karen on e-mail says, I knew she'd


be slim, probably blonde and attractive. What a surprise, not a


success for equality. Tina says I object to you stating that the


opposition comes solely from men. Many women, myself included, are not


happy about this, the inference that men who disapprove are being petty


is another way for the feminist obsessed BBC to slur men. This role


was created as a male character and should have remained so. George says


brilliant to have Jodie Whittaker and being from Yorkshire, she'll be


the best yet. Thank you for those. Keep them coming in.


Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.


A terminally ill man will protest to overturn the laws so a doctor is


allowed to help him die when his health deteriorates. Under the


current law, any doctor that helped him would face up to 14 years in


prison. Opponents say the change would put vulnerable people at risk.


The rise in the number of acid attacks will be discussed in


Parliament today. Latest figures suggest there were more than 400


assaults involving corrosive substances in England and Wales in


the since months to April. The debate comes as the Government


begins a review into the issue which could see sentences for the offence


increased. The Brexit Secretary David Davis has


called for both sides to "get down to business" this morning


as the next round of negotiating Mr Davis is meeting


the European Commission's chief Key issues will include the future


rights of EU citizens in the UK and British citizens living in other


member states, A 20 year old man has been charged


with drug offences by police investigating the death of a teenage


girl in Newton Abbot The 15 year old was found


unconscious at a park Devon and Cornwall Police have


charged Jacob Khanlarian, from Newton Abbot with possession


with intent to supply He is due to appear before


magistrates in Plymouth later. The final route for


the controversial HS2 rail line north of Birmingham will be


announced today - There's also more detail on who has


been awarded contracts worth nearly 7 billion pounds to work


on the first stretch of the line - and information


on around 16,000 jobs. An American neurologist who's


offered to carry out a new therapy on the terminally ill baby


Charlie Gard is due to meet He is also expected to examine


Charlie over the next two days Great Ormond Street Hospital


says his condition is irreversible. The High Court is


considering his case. For the first time Doctor Who will


be a woman, she's been unveiled as Jodie Whittaker but NOT everyone


is happy about the change. The actress said she wanted to tell


fans not to be scared by her gender. There has been mixed


reaction in the newspapers and from commentators something men


are being marginalised, others saying


the change is long overdue. That's a summary of


the latest BBC News. Mostly you want to talk about Doctor


Who, but please, get in touch with us. But now, time for the sport.


Thank you. Boris Becker says he expects Roger Federer to win more


Grand Slams after claiming his 19th at Wimbledon, some weeks shy of his


36th birthday. He won a record eighth Wimbledon title, beating


Aaron Cilic in straight sets. Becker believes that taking time out is key


to this success of the Swiss player. Six months off, he rescheduled all


of this year, played the U.S. Open, winning the first major, he is back.


Compare him to any athlete, he is right up there, you talk about


Formula One, running, basketball, football, I don't think there's


anyone like him at the moment. I don't know if he can get better but


it is important, what to do the next couple of weeks. I am sure he will


take some time off, but which tournament to pick? The way he plays


at the moment there are more slams in the making. Jamie Murray admits


he would have rejected any other partner apart from Martina Hingis


after they won the mixed doubles title at Wimbledon. They have been


playing together for long, only deciding to team up prior to the


tournament. It's her sixth Wimbledon title in her career and Jamie Murray


is second. Really happy that I contacted Jamie about playing


together and pretty much, my wish came true to give ourselves a good


chance to win the title and we did. It was a great two wigs were a Scot


played a lot of great tennis, excited to win, huge achievement for


us. -- it was a great two weeks for us. Johanna Konta is now fourth in


the world after reaching the semifinals of Wimbledon before


losing in straight sets. She was ranked seventh before the


tournament, Andy Murray remaining world number one despite going out


in the semifinals. England cricketers staring defeat in the


face in the second test against South Africa are being set a target


of 474 to win and if they chase it, it would be a world record Test


match. Alastair Cook and kid in Jennings resuming on one without


loss, enduring a tricky four overs yesterday. England will have to bat


for two days if they are to avoid defeat. Today is a rest day in the


Tour de France, Chris Froome enjoy including his feet up, overcoming


mechanical issues to retain his 18 seconds lead after stage 15 despite


a dramatic afternoon. He had to change a wheel and deal with the


hostile doing home fans, recovered brilliantly, no for near the 189


points five colour meter stage win. Freedom retained the yellow jersey.


Aids Day for the world Para athletics Championships, Britain


holding eight old medals. Jonnie Peacock picking up his eighth in the


T 44. -- it is the eighth day. I know I was in good form but I


don't care about times, I never do. It would be a great cherry on top of


the icing, people care about medals, that's what I'm going to be able to


keep for ever. That's all for now. Victoria, back to you.


This morning, a woman whose sister and mother were shot


by her stepfather at the family farm in Surrey tells this programme


why she wanted to visit the scene of their deaths.


82-year-old John Lowe murdered his wife Christine


and step-daughter Lucy Lee along with four puppies in 2014.


Police had returned his shotguns to him before he murdered them.


Christine Lee's other daughter was at her family


She was arrested after the deaths, and now an Independent Police


Complains Commission review has found misconduct claims against one


Surrey Police sergeant involved in the case,


but two other detectives have been cleared.


Almost three years after the murders, Stacy wanted to revisit


the scene where her family was killed, and asked us


During the visit she gets very upset, but was


We bought you Noel Phillips' full report earlier.


You know, it's almost like expecting something to happen.


For the first time in three years, Stacy Banner has returned


to the family farm near Farnham in Surrey, where her sister, Lucy,


and her mum, Christine, were shot dead in 2014 by this man -


It brings back so many terrible memories.


To see if there was anything that reminded me of them.


A year before the killings, in March 2013, John Lowe's seven


shotguns were seized by Surrey Police following


But five months later, the guns and his licence were returned.


And in February 2014, Christine, who had known Lowe


for more than 25 years, was shot at point-blank range.


Her daughter, Lucy, escaped, and made a frantic 999 call before


Stacy's account of what happened that there is very distressing.


Stacy's account of what happened that day is very distressing.


And I keep thinking, you know, she should have hid.


So then he beat her, shot the dogs...


And then stood over her with that gun.


He couldn't let me have her, you see, he couldn't let me have her.


Now, Surrey Police had records of John Lowe's violent history.


He had made repeated threats to kill, and even lied


But yet he was still given a licence to hold a gun.


As soon as the murders happened, we got an independent police forces


So I'm confident that the firearms licence is now fit for purpose,


The tragedy should never have happened.


Christine and Lucy's murders offer a rare glimpse


into a tragic crime, and the impact on the


Just last week, a Surrey Police detective involved in the case


was found guilty of misconduct after arresting Stacey in 2014.


Meanwhile, two other detectives were cleared.


We can speak now to Stacy Banner now.


Good morning and thank you for coming on the programme. Good


morning. I wonder if you could tell the audience what impact going back


there has had on you. It has put some closure on it, it's made me


feel there is nothing there, you know, my mum and sister aren't there


any more, it hasn't changed, it's incredibly scary for me to go back


but it has put some closure on that, not completely, but some. How would


you like to remember your mum and your sister? I think it's incredibly


important that people are aware of domestic violence and not to be


scared to speak out. You know, regardless of age or culture, your


background, you have to do something about it, you have to take direct


action. Or you could be sitting as I am today, morning the death of


someone you love. I'm very lucky to be alive because he would have


killed me so I'm fortunate in that aspect. But in a way you would want


that to be their legacy? I wanted to be the legacy and I want people to


be able to have the access to justice and not be scared because in


my situation, you know, I haven't, I was treated as the perpetrator


rather than the victim. So the comparison between John Lowe and I


was awful. And by that you mean, after the murder of your mum and


sister, you were arrested, you were held in the same police station as


John Lowe? Yes. For 23 hours. And I can remember it and I can remember


sitting in the self thinking, was he in the cell? Was he in the cell and


now I can't be in small spaces, it absolutely... It fills me with utter


panic, you have to remember, this was all for ATV. Threats that didn't


happen. So the audience know you were arrested on suspicion of theft


and questioned over allegation she wanted to burn down the farm? Yes,


which weren't true and you know, ironically, no investigation has


carried on from that, so... I was treated as a perpetrator, Surrey


Police have been relentless in pursuing me. The misconduct hearing


as Noel said in the film last week, the officer who arrested you did not


have sufficient evidence to suspect you of the offence for which he


arrested you and failed to ensure relevant witness statements were


taken before deciding you should be arrested. What do you think of that?


I think that detect it should investigate, I think the police


should have evidence before they have the power to arrest anybody.


Especially... How vulnerable I was. I hadn't eaten, I don't drive, there


was no evidence. I mean, I am sure people will appreciate that saying


that you want some work to burn down doesn't mean you are going to do it.


It's completely... I was an absolute trauma and grief and the fact of the


matter was, it wasn't investigated, it was persecution. You had


previously been investigated for fraud, you are appealing against


that conviction, do you think that played a part in perhaps the way


they viewed you are approached you? I think the fraud as part of this, I


am determined to obtain justice, it might take me another three years, I


don't know but I have to do that for my mum and sister. Again, another


thing I reported, again, everything else like I reported, never got


taken seriously which is incredibly sad. Because my mum and sister would


be here. How did you find out what had happened to your mum and sister?


It was Sky News, actually. The family liaison officer is came to my


home, and it was in the afternoon, I had cooked Sunday dinner, they came


in, and told me two women had been found at the farm and that there was


a male in custody. I knew he had killed them. You said that, didn't


you? Yes, I knew, I knew he had killed them. And then I passed out.


And then it was hours and hours because I was expecting a family


liaison officer and no one came. So at 5:15pm I got my husband to take


me to the farm and it was just full of police, she can imagine. And


their bodies were still there. My beautiful sister, my mum, their


bodies were still there and they told me to go to Guildford station


and even then, it was like I was treated in a way that no victim


should be treated. They knew, they were fully aware of what exactly he


was capable of so, I wasn't told, I found out on Sky News.


You mentioned at the beginning of our conversation that you want


people to have access to justice, that it's very important that if you


are in a domestic abuse situation, it's very important that you speak


out. Tell us more about what you mean by that? Unfortunately, victims


of domestic violence and historic violence are treated with almost


contempt. It's like "John Lowe couldn't do that, he's an old man. "


He was violent. The violence went back years, he was a violent man.


There are different degrees of violence. As a victim, I compared


trauma. I want access for justice for anyone that is in a domestic


violent situation that feels they can actually take on the police or


take on the establishment it takes a lot of time and you have to have a


lot of patience. But eventually, your name can be blackened. You


know, you can feel like the perpetrator. But eventually, the


truth comes out and it takes a long time and it's incredibly hard. You


have to be very strong. A previous IPCC report found some failings with


the police, including criticism of their decision to hand the guns back


to John Lowe after you'd warned them, raised the alarm. Is there


anything that you want to change or would like to see changed in terms


of the gun laws? Gun laws in this country are incredibly tight.


However, the shotgun fee is minimal and the taxpayer pays for people to


have guns. Do I agree with that? Of course not. The fact of the matter


is, you know, with guns, there needs to be a complete change in the way


we look at guns. It's not acceptable for any police to hand back guns to


anyone, especially not psychopaths. You've talked about your mum and


sister's legacy, what you hope the legacy will be. Tell us a bit about


the both of them? My sister was incredibly clever, she was a graphic


designer, she was beautiful, absolutely beautiful and I'm


incredibly proud of her. We had a very bad childhood so she survived


that and she was a real fighter. My mum was very funny actually. She


sometimes saw, you know... We'd had a hard life so she saw the good in


life and that's what I'm still trying to do, however difficult.


Thank you very much, Stacy. Absolute pleasure, thank you so much.


Thank you for talking to us. Speaking after the initial IPCC


report was published, Surrey Police said in 2014 the force commissioned


two independent reports from Hampshire and North Yorkshire police


which indicated the decision by firearms licencing officers to


return weapons to John Lowe was flawed and did not meet national


standards. We spoke with members of Christine and Lucy's family at that


time to advise them of the findings and to apologise for that decision.


As a result of those reports, we conduct add comprehensive review of


the firearms licencing in the years since 2014 and instigated the


recommendations from both independent reports.


We'll be live at Wimbledon to speak to the winner of the tournament,


Roger Federer. That is in about 20 minutes' time. More Brexit talks


today with David Davis, the Brexit secretary urging both sides in


negotiations to get down to business. A second formal round of


talks opens in Brussels this morning. Mr Davies says his priority


is to lift the uncertainty for EU citizens living here and British


nationals in EU countries. In a moment, we'll talk to Conservative


MP quasi Kwateng, who was a leave campaigner, and still is, but first,


let's talk to Sir Andrew Khan, a former senior civil servant and


former head of UK trade and investment, that's a Government


department aiming to increase the number of exporters and investors to


the UK and hopefully someone who can give us an insight as to how the


negotiations are going to work. Hello, thank you very much for


talking to us. Hello. You are expert in those negotiations, I'm told.


Give the audience an insight then in what the UK needs to do to make them


progress smoothly and reasonably swiftly? Well, I think what the UK


needs to do is to do what the EU 27, the Europeans have already done,


which is to be very cleaver about what our objectives are, very clear


about what the law is, and very clear about the process. The EU side


have done all of that. Now, it's easier for them because they're


united. The strength of the negotiating cards are in their hands


and the cliff edge is far worse for us than for them so if we don't


reach agreement it's worse for us than for them. However, the problem


in the UK on ourside, is that we just don't have agreement in this


country about what we are going for. Are we going for some of the


minister Euro-sceptics and what they want, which is reject everything and


walk away, don't give them any money. Do we go the other extreme


which some remainers say, which is a disaster, we mustn't do this. There


is a whole spectre of opinion in-between, in particular the soft


Brexiteers, the people who say look for business, jobs, prosperity, we


must be part of the single market and must have good access to it. The


hard Brexiteers say no, no, don't worry, we can find alternative


markets elsewhere. The most important thing for us is to decide


what we want, what our negotiating objectives are, to work out the


negotiating realities, you know, where does the power lie, and then


look at each of the individual areas of problem and there are 40 or 50 or


60, I mean it's a very complicated difficult negotiation. Work out what


the priorities are, what is the most thing thing that you must have and


what can you give away. That is how you appreciate the negotiation. Yes.


Do you think David Davis will have a clear plan? Well, I think he


probably does. But it's not clear that the Government has a clear


plan. The Government itself is divided. You have Philip Hammond,


the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who has to think about money, think


about tax receipts, think about business, think about jobs and


employment. He is saying, we can't afford to follow the lines that


Theresa May set out in her Lancaster House speech in January, you know,


the red line she set out, no European Court of Justice, no free


movement, no money paid to Europe. On the one hand, you have him. On


the other hand, you have Liam Fox in effect saying, let's just escape,


let's just go. So the Government is divided. Now, David Davis is of


course, he and his civil servants have done a huge amount of


preparation, very professional, but they don't have a clear Government


policy. Until we have that, we can't negotiate properly and sensibly. OK.


Just to let you know, we may interrupt because Roger Federer is


going to give a live interview at Wimbledon any moment I'm told so I'm


going to apologise in advance. Don't worry.


I'm not worried actually, I was just letting you know.


This week they are going to talk about the rights of EU citizens and


nationals abroad, they are going to talk about the liabilities, the bill


the UK has to pay, that has to be done swiftly in order to move on to


other stuff. Does the UK in your opinion have any cards up its


sleeve? Yes, of course we have cards up our sleeve. What? We are not


without cards. But we don't have as many cards as the European side


does. It's whistling in the wind, to quote something. , to pretend that


we do. But of course we do. For one thing, the Europeans need our money.


We have been a major contributor to the budget. Indeed, in my 40 years


of negotiating in Europe, the biggest issue has always been money


and, in my view, the biggest issue in this negotiation will in the end


be money. So we have the money, they want us to continue to pay in if per


prepared to, we'll get more access. In the end, the negotiation will be


access to the markets, you know, for our goods and services, in return


for money. So we do have that on our side. Sorry to interrupt, but you


are suggesting, not just will there be this divorce bill, as it's being


described by some, but you are saying we could continue to pay in


in order to get access to the single market? Of course we will, the


Government's said so. The Government's said there are some


things we really want. For example, the programme about universities,


the research programme which is the R D programme, the Government's


said we can see ourselves paying in future to be part of these


programmes. That's natural, you know. There are bound to be some


things that we want to work closely with with our closest neighbours in


the future. If you have a big project, everybody's got to


contribute to it. I don't think there's anything surprising about us


paying. The argument will be first of all what's the bill for the past


and, you know, you can argue in lots of different ways and the Europeans


are putting huge numbers on the table, we are putting small numbers


and we'll find an agreement in the middle. That's what always happens


in the negotiations. The difficulty is, we need to know how much access


we want of the single market and how much we are prepared to pay for


that. It's that which I think we still, as a Government, don't know.


We haven't decided. OK. Thank you very much. Sir Andrew Cahn, former


head of UK trade and investment, the Government department which aims to


increase the number of exporters and investors to the UK and spent many


years negotiating. Quasi Kwateng is here. Hello. What sort of bill would


be acceptable for the UK to pay? Clearly not the ?100 billion that


has often been said. The negotiations are starting today. I


think that we'll pay something. People are talking about


transitional arrangements, maybe two or three years, who knows how long,


but it will be a phased withdrawal. But in terms of the bill you say not


100? No. Why not? It's too large. If you look at where we were when we


were in it, and we are still in it actually, we are the second net


contributor, we are putting in 10 billion euros a year and it doesn't


make sense if we are the second biggest contributor to pay an


exorbitant amount of money just to get out of the club. I don't think


that makes much sense. We have already contributed a huge amount.


Is it not simple maths, whatever our liability is, that is what it will


be? It's not as simple as that. The investment bank has assets and we


have contributed a lot into that. There are assets on the other side,


there are not just liabilities. Would you welcome something that Sir


Andrew Cahn suggested there, which is we continue to pay in order to


get better access into the single market? That's what the negotiation


is about. Would you welcome that? My view is I can live with the


transitional arrangements but at the end of the process, I want to be


out. Pay them nothing? I don't think we should pay anything because the


EU is going down a different path, we have chosen not to go down that


and we should be free to leave it. That's part of the discussion. The


rationale as you know would be in order to continue to have, or to


have better access to the single market or the sames a Cesc, would it


not be worth it? It's a simple proposition, you are either in it or


out of it. Once you are out of it. There is no sense in which they are


paying a continuing fee to be kind of quasi or associate members. How


worried are you about the collapse in discipline within the Cabinet


since the general election? Look, I've been in politics for a few


years now and I know in the summer there are lots of garden-party type


events... Philip Hammond talked yesterday about the briefing against


him, so it's not just garden parties is it? He also mentioned the


Prosecco and it's the height of the summer. He said people are against


him. How worried are you about that? Not desperately because the


Government has a clear direction in terms of getting out of the EU... Do


you? I think it does. There are so many different opinions around that


Cabinet table? Not that many. I work very closely with Philip Hammond. We


were on two different sides of the debate but actually talking to him,


we have lots of shared ground. We want to leave the EU, we want to


deliver on Brexit. There is an issue in terms of the potential


transitional deal. Why are colleagues briefing against him? You


will have to ask them. I don't know. I read the papers like you do, I


think people... You don't hear it as his ministerial aid, considering


that you are on opposite sides of the debate, you don't hear that? I


have my own views as to how these stories get through and I read the


papers but I don't feel they're particularly representative.


Do you expect a leadership challenge to Theresa May before March 2019,


the two-year deadline for when we are supposed to be out?


I really don't. I think most MPs want to get through the Brexit


process before we think about trying to replace the leader have a


leadership contest. Thank you very much. Thank you. Still to come, an


American doctor who has offered to carry out a new type of treatment on


Charlie card. And we get more on Doctor who, as


people debate the lead role being given to a woman. Time for the


latest news headlines. A terminally ill man will begin a legal challenge


to overturn the ban on so-called assisted dying. Noel Conway who has


motor neuron disease wants to change the law in England and Wales saw a


doctor is allowed to help them die but his condition deteriorates. On


the current law any doctor who helped him would face 14 years in


prison. Opponents say the change would put honourable people at risk.


The rise in borough of acid attacks will be discussed in Parliament


today, latest figures suggesting there were more than 400 assaults


involving corrosive substances in England and Wales and the six months


to April. The debate comes as the government begins a review into the


issue which could see sentences for the offence increase. A 20-year-old


man has been charged with drug offences in the case of a girl dying


in Newton Abbott at the weekend. She was found unconscious in a park.


Devon and Cornwall Police have charged a Newton Abbott man with


possession with intent to supply a class a drug, he is due to appear


before magistrates in plus later. As the latest news. Join me for BBC


newsroom live at 11am. Here's the sport. Three-time Wimbledon champion


Boris Becker expects even more from Roger Federer after the Swiss player


claimed his 19th grand slam title. Becker believes taking time out is


the key to his success, the dad of Ford beading Marian Cilic in


straight sets to win a record eighth and open singles title. New world


rankings are out this morning, Johanna Konta has risen to fourth in


the world, becoming the first British woman to reach the


semifinals for 39 years, Andy Murray remaining the world number one. In


cricket England star player at 11am this morning on the fourth day of


the second test against South Africa. A huge job of chasing 474 to


avoid defeat at Trent Bridge. A resume on 1-0. That's all from us.


Thank you. An American doctor who's offered


to carry out a new therapy on the terminally ill baby


Charlie Gard is due to meet the child's medical


team in London today. Michio Hirano says there's a 10%


chance his treatment could help. It's the latest development


in a long-running legal battle between his parents


and hospital doctors. Let's get more insight into


what the family can expect today. Let's speak to Professor Julian


Savulescu, Chair in Practical Ethics Good morning. Hello. In terms of the


America will neurologist who will have access to Charlie and his


medical notes, what will be his priority? His his priority is to


evaluate how much to Terry oration there has been in Turleigh's brain


since January when he estimated the chances were low but not zero of


experimental treatment having some benefit. He will be looking at the


brain scans, recent brain scans, requesting a new one. The evidence


from the EE gramss and other clinical tests to evaluate what


element is a reversible and what scope there is for reversibility.


And the brain seizure that Charlie has been having, what do they point


to, what with that suggest to you? There is no doubt that Charlie's


brain is involved and his brain has been starved of energy for 11 months


now. The abnormal electrical activity is indicative of that, in


January the doctor felt the level of abnormal electrical activity was not


so great there wasn't the possibility of some improvement.


Electrical activity can normalise, it will depend on how much


deterioration has been and whether there is any chance, or whether


there is no chance. OK, thank you for your time. This statement from


Great Ormond Street Hospital... The medical director will formally


receive two visiting positions to review clinical data in the case


today. They will have an honorary contract in place which allows them


to examine the patient for the purposes of this visit, adding them


the same status as our clinicians and allowing them access to all


clinical Systems including diagnostic images, records and


facilities. Clinical staff will be on hand to facilitate the visit and


will have the opportunity to clinically examined Charlie.


Next, we can speak to the cyclist who stole her bike back from a man


selling it on a street corner the day after someone


30-year-old Jenni Morton-Humphrey ignored police advice,


Hello. Hi, how are you? I'm very well thank you. Tell the audience


what happened. A few weeks ago someone took my bike, I was very


angry as you might imagine and I happened to see it was on the


Internet, someone messaged me because they had seen it for sale,


someone had stolen, I put the picture, within minutes I got a


response a total stranger. And help me out, messaging a guy and I posed


as a buyer, didn't go to work the next day and went and took it,


pretty much. It was a bit more than that. You met him, you chatted, you


did the pleasantries and then, what did you do? I've seen him across the


street, is often and I thought OK, I'll the friendly, be nice, ask a


couple of stupid questions, is at a girls by, the right size, don't know


if I can ride it. I was pretty nervous but I think he believed


everything I was saying and I said, OK, I'm going to take it for a test


ride and I thought about it the night before. I had a bunch of old


keys which were strangely enough the keys to the locks they had cut off


my bike the night before so I thrust those into his hand and said, can


you oldies, I am going to ride it? He took the keys, I wobbled down the


pavement, fell off a couple of times to make it realistic and then off I


went. And he pedalled like the wind, did you? I really did. Faster than I


ever have before for quite a long time. I didn't look back on what I


just kept going. Eventually I found my way back to a meeting spot I had


arranged with my friend who was watching the entire thing. Yes, it


was a lot of adrenaline, definitely. Let's talk about the safety side,


you informed the police, you said this is what I'm going to do, I


think they advised against it, why would you so determined because it


could have been dangerous? It could have been, but you know, anyone that


owns a bike knows how I felt, I was so angry, someone had my bike which


I love, I phoned the police, I gave them quite a lot of evidence, we had


a number of screenshots from conversations between the person who


saw the sale online and the guy who presumably had stolen it. I did


consider it might be dangerous but I was quite confident that I could


pull it off, basically. And you did and there is resplendent bike behind


you. Right here, very happy. Thank you very much, thanks for coming on


the programme. You're very welcome. Take care. We did ask Avon and


Somerset Police for a comment but they were unable to get us anything


in time. Don't mess with that lady. A terminally ill man will today


begin a legal challenge to overturn the ban on so-called assisted


dying. Noel Conway, who has motor neurone disease,


wants to change the law in England and Wales so a doctor


is allowed to help him die Under the current law,


any doctor who helped him would face Opponents say the change would put


vulnerable people at risk. Noel explains why he's taking his


case to Court. I'm on a ventilator 20 hours out of 24 and it allows me


some quality of life, as I have said. But increasingly I'm coming to


rely on that ventilator so there will come a stage when I've got it


on permanently. That's going to be problematic. Both, not so much for


communication because I can use different masks, whilst I've still


got my voice, but there are a number of lines that you contemplate when


you are terminally ill, you never know which one is going to be the


real one. But one of them for me is being bedridden and not being able


to move, I do not want to die very slowly, of suffocation, and being


semiconscious until I am in a position where I don't even know


what's going on. For some people, they say, that is good palliative


care, well, I am sorry, that is just not an acceptable option for me. My


consultant cannot tell me how long it'll take. No one can. It be days,


it could be weeks, it could be longer. I am going to be left in a


situation at some stage, when I can't face, I can't face that amount


of suffering. But actually being, you know, locked in my own body. Or


facing a slow, suffocating death, drifting off into semiconsciousness.


Why should I have to do that? I know I'm going to die. I want to be like


David, Hume, the great nationalised, he said keep your energy, I reject


it, I want to be absolutely conscious at the moment of my death.


Let's talk to Lord Faulkner who tried to introduce an assisted bank


bill as a Private Members' Bill in the House of Lords which was


defeated in 2015, is that correct? Correct. You are a supporter of


changing the law, you would like to see assisted dying in cases like


this, quite a narrow group people, why? Because I think extremely


unfair that you shouldn't be to choose how you die once you are


already dying. What my bill proposed was that if you have a diagnosis of


six months or less to live you should be entitled to have a doctor


prescribed to you a prescription for which you take which would then end


your life. There are many people who get real benefit from palliative


care but there are always people who are however good the palliative


care, don't want the indignity of dying after they have said their


goodbyes, just holding on from day to day, facing the sort of fate that


Noel has just described on the piece you've just shown, which is the only


way that he can determine his own death is be taken off the ventilator


and then he will effectively drown because his heart and be able to


function properly. That's cruel, he should be allowed to choose this


moment and do it in his own way once he is dying. There have been a


number of similar cases, not many, but each time, Roddy speaking, the


outcome is the same, judges said this is a decision for Parliament,


Parliament has voted, has spoken. Parliament spoke in 2015 for they


rejected in the Commons a Private Members' Bill very much like the one


I proposed in the Lords, the Lords never reject the bid it felt through


the general election coming and there was no time but what the


courts said is we don't want to intervene as Parliament is debating


it, Parliament is no longer debating it, for Parliament does is express


the democratic will of the majority, but the judges do is determine that


minority interests are protected and everybody has equal treatment for


the law and they are guided in that either Human Rights Act. The last


time it came before the courts, the Supreme Court said Robert Lee by


majority we think it's contrary to the human rights law that you can't


make these choices but we don't want to intervene and so we hear what


Parliament has got to say. Now Parliament has spoken... You think


it could be different. It could be different, it's for the courts now


to say, whether or not they think it's contrary to your right to make


choices at the end of your life. OK. I'm going to introduce if I may,


what Faulkner, Sarah Wootton, the Chief Executive of dignity in dying,


campaign group by Noel Conway and we will talk to Michel Findlay, her


daughter Ella took her own life aged 36, with the generative multiple


sclerosis and terminal cancer. Ladies before I begin talking to you


are young being told potentially Roger Federer will be doing a live


interview from Wimbledon, so if that happens, we have to go to it at that


moment so I will pause our conversation but we will definitely


come back to you, I do hope you understand that I apologise in


advance. Sarah, Lord Faulkner was seen potentially through the courts,


this time it might be different because Parliament has a ready


spoken, what ... What do you think will happen in


this case? The blanket ban on assisted dying is compatible with


Noel's human rights to a dignified death. In the Supreme Court in 2014,


they made it clear that if Parliament didn't deal with this


issue, they could. So it was likely to come back to Parliament. The


chairman of the Supreme Court, Lord knowberger, said that it was likely


that another person with a terminal illness would get the declaration of


income patability. Michelle, I think your daughter's circumstances were


similar to Noel Conway's. Tell our add Jens a little about what


decisions she made? Well, Ella was diagnosed with MS when she was 20 so


she lived with the condition for 16 years, possibly 17 years, before the


diagnosis. She was convinced from the moment that she understood what


MS was that she would not want to be, as she called it, a cabbage with


a heartbeat and she wanted to be able to choose the time at which she


said goodbye to everybody. And that is indeed what she did? It is indeed


what she did. She said the decision was facilitated by a diagnosis of


terminal cancer. There was no going back, there was no miracle cure on


the horizon. She was going to die within two or three months. She just


decided that when she could no longer go to the toilet on her own,


brush her teeth or get even just sort of sit up and feed herself,


that she just did not want to be part of this life. She'd always been


a contributor to life even though she had disabilities and when she


couldn't do that any more, it wasn't worth living. Did she make the


decision to die on her own? Yes. Yes. I knew when I left her house


that that was going to be the day, but other people that looked after


her and loved her didn't. I was the only one that knew because she knew


that she could confide in me. But she didn't want anybody there, apart


from her little cat, because she didn't want the risk of anybody


being prosecuted for having been there, you know. I understand that


it's discretionary that we might be prosecuted but that wasn't good


enough for her. So she was effectively drying to protect you


all? Yes. She campaigned and was active in trying to change the law.


Do you think in your lifetime you will see a law change? It really


depends on whether MPs are going to listen to their constituents, rather


than to official medical organisations from the Royal College


of Physicians. Jeremy Hunt said that he had changed his mind since he


voted against it because he attended a funeral of somebody who had taken


their own life in Holland and he was coming to the opinion that it was


the right thing to do for some people. OK. Political decision...


OK. What do you say to the judges who will be hearing the case of Noel


Conway's? I would say to them and maybe some of them have, I would say


to them, if one of your loved ones was going to die a terrible death,


would you want to be sitting there with them while this happened, or


would you prefer to see them go and slip away peacefully. I'm going to


bring Lord Falconer back in. You know the argument against this which


is vulnerable people will be helped to die when they don't necessarily


want to die, that is why people oppose what you're campaigning for?


I think the position is worse the way it is at the moment because


there are no safeguards at all and what Noel is proposing to the court


is that there be safeguards, namely two doctors have got to say it's


right and the judge has got to say it's right. Michelle's account of


her daughter's death is absolutely tragic. As she said, and it's not


just Michelle's daughter, it's other people as well who've had the die


alone because they fear what may happen under the existing law and


what happens under the existing law is, you're investigated by the


police, a well-meaning official then decides in his office or her office


whether or not you are going to be prosecuted. If you are prosecuted,


you've got no defence and it's awful. Thank you all very much for


coming on the programme. Thank you particularly Michelle for telling us


about your daughter. Let's go to Wimbledon and hear from


Roger Federer, eight-times Wimbledon champion. Here he is.


Sitting here on the players' lawn at Wimbledon on a glorious third Monday


in the Championships, many congratulations again Roger. Thank


you. I remember you saying once in the past your favourite hour after


the Groom Grand Slam is the hour after match point when you see your


family and friends. You had a lot of hands to shake yesterday, Royalty,


fans, celebrities, did it live up to expectations? Yes, an amazing amount


of friend and family that came from around the world to support me at


the last minute at the finals and plus the people already here for


some time. We were actually up there almost like 80 of us, you know,


celebrating the win afterwards, so that was a beautiful moment just


having that one hour away from the press, away from the attention of


the world watching and just celebrating with your friend and


family and my kids and my wife. It was great. My parents too. I had a


great time. I was very thankful that I could get that hour in before I


had to go into two-and-a-half hours of press conference. Here you are


again this morning. Here I am. You have broken your tie with Pete


Sampras, you were level with him on seven titles. How special an


achievement is that for you? He'll always be my hero. Not because I've


surpassed his feat here, nothing's changed, he's still my guy, you


know. After our match here in 2001, that one day I would surpass him, I


never thought that would be possible in my wildest dreams so I take it as


it is and run with it, I enjoy it, I'm happy. People and fans were


happy for me again yesterday. So it was just another incredible day here


at Wimbledon. Wimbledon's been too kind to me over all these years and


now, to be the roshed holder for the first time for a male to win eight


Wimbledons, I'll always be that guy, it's very, very special and Pete


remains my hero for life, of course. How tempted are you by the prospect


of being world number one again? It looks almost certain as if you or


Nadal will take over from Andy Murray? It is at the very least a


fantastic storyline Absolutely. I think it's going to be a three or


four way race or maybe a two-way race with me and Rafa when Andy will


drop the world number one ranking. If all of a sudden Andy starts


winning again, we also have to win again. At some stage if he drops


points, we'll get there. I hope it's me and not Rafa because it would


mean a lot to me to get back to world number one. I was just trying


to explain to the press that I hadn't thought about it a whole lot


yet. I have to speak with the team and decide, am I going to chase it


for the near future, so maybe get to Wimbledon at least one more time in


my career, oh e or is the goal maybe to finish at world number one which


is a bigger deal. To me that makes no difference being world number one


for a week or year end number one at this stage in my career. So I have


to have a meeting and discussion with my team about that in the


coming week. Our favourite question generally is, how long are you going


to play for and I know you can't possibly answer that question. You


have won two Grand Slams since you turned 35. Ken Rose was in Grand


Slam finals at the age of 39. Does it appeal to you, the thought of


hitting your expertise and experience against guys half your


age? How it feels to play against the players half my age - it feels


also again quite different, you know. I love the times when I came


on tour and I played the likes I knew from the video gamesTV and here


I am playing against them and now I'm playing, I'm on the opposite


side, I'm like the guy they know from TV and now, joining, it's quite


-- I don't know, it's quite different. I'm enjoying myself. I


like to guide them and help them along the way and if they have any


advice they seek, I like to give guidance. It's important to share


experience and knowledge about the game. The game will always move on


and be bigger than any athlete, so I'm happy that I could be in the


sport as long as I have been and we'll see how much longer I'll be


around. A final thought. Have you learnt a great deal from other


sports men and women in other fields. I'm thinking of the likes of


Usain Bolt likely to be making headlines here in London over the


next few weeks? I get inspired in a big way by Usain Bolt, Le Bron


James, Rossi or Schumacher. People at the highest levels because I


would marvel at what they did. When I was younger I could get match


ready. People would practise 100% and I would struggle in a big way


when I was younger. Eventually I found my way how it was possible and


how I needed to motivate myself, how I needed a team around me to


motivate myself and do that. It's been really important for me to have


inSpiring figures -- inspiring figures. I take it mostly from


legends. ConFrank laces again, Roger, it's an extraordinary


achievement to have won an eighth title 14 years after your first.


Enjoy the moment. I sure will, thank you very much. Appreciate it.


Russell Fuller talking to the brilliant Roger Federer, so special


he said it was and also interesting takening inspiration from other


sports people and looking at how they practise day in day out. Yes,


guess what you have got to work really hard to do what Roger Federer


has done. So many comments about Doctor Who. Most of you are very


delighted Jodie Whittaker is to become the 13th doctor. Ian says I


wish her all the best, then he goes on the say, I'm one of the minority


who won't be watching after 40 years of being a fan. I bet you any money


you will not be able to resist, even if it's for curiosity sake watching


Jodie Whittaker. She's going to be in the Christmas special isn't she.


We'll see what happens after that. Alex says, the fact there is even a


discuss about the next one being a woman, it just goes to show gender


inequality still exists. Surgical mesh could be banned for some


surgical operations, that goes to Parliament today. We'll bring you


the details tomorrow. When I think of the world


we inhabit, everyone will think, Yeah. And it wasn't,


it was done by hand over days and weeks


and months and years.


Jodie Whittaker tells fans not to be scared of her gender as she's revealed as the new Doctor Who, Victoria gets reaction.

Stacy Banner, whose mother and sister were killed by her stepfather, returns to the farm where it happened.

And the woman who 'stole' her own bike back from the man who was trying to sell it on Facebook.