17/07/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

Our top story today - a woman whose mother and sister

were murdered by her step-father tells this programme why she wanted

to revisit the scene of their deaths and how what happened will stay

Even my mum was cowering, she was on her knees, Catherine. Can you

imagine having to beg for your life? It's just barbaric.

We'll bring you that full report in about 14 minutes.

Also on the programme - claims that the government

is dragging its feet over tougher sentences for people

From a young age, we educate that knife crime is how bad it is and gun

crime except but chemical attacks, substance attacks, are becoming more

and more frequent now and there needs to be something done to stop

it. The issue is being debated

in parliament today - we'll speak to the MP leading

the motion and to a victim of an attack who's been left

with severe burns on her face And - the new Doctor Who is a woman

- and predictably some Jodie Whittaker tells fans not to be

scared of her gender. Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning. A little later we'll speak

to the greatest of all time, 8 times Wimbledon winner and 19

grand slams - 35 year old Roger As always do get in touch

on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. Our top story today,

a terminally ill man will this morning begin a High Court challenge

to the ban on assisted dying. Noel Conway, who's 67 and has

motor neurone disease, wants a doctor to be allowed

to prescribe a lethal dose of drugs when his health

deteriorates further. Under the law, any doctor

who helped him to die would face up Opponents say a change in the law

would place the weak But Mr Conway says that

as his disease progresses, he fears becoming entombed

in his body. I do not want to die very

slowly of suffocation and being semiconscious until I am

in a condition where I don't even For some people, they say

that is good palliative care. But I am sorry, that is not

an acceptable option for me. They cannot tell me

how long it will take. It could be days, it could be weeks,

it could be even longer. I am going to be left

in a situation at some amount of suffering,

actually being locked in my own body, or are facing

a slow, suffocating death, drifting off slowly

into unconsciousness. We can speak to our Health

Correspondent Fergus Walsh. We have had similar cases in the

past, judges have often said it's a decision for Parliament, Parliament

last voted on this in 2015, similar terror true. No, talking about a

narrow group of people. He is, talking about people who have less

than six months to live and are terminally ill. In a sense he is the

first case that fits the description of the attempt on successful attempt

that was brought by a Labour MP in 2015 to change the law. -- similar

territory. In 2014 the Supreme Court rejected a previous case involving

Tony Nicholson who had locked in syndrome and two other men but it

said this is a matter for MPs, a matter for Parliament. And

Parliament rejected it after a four Howard debate but things are

constantly evolving, more states in the US are now allowing assisted

dying, parts of Australia are considering it as well. And there is

a lot of public support for it in the opinion polls that are done

although those who are against says it depends how you asked the

question. Yes. Are there any parallels, similarities between this

case of North Conway and the case of the terminally ill baby Charlie

card? I think there are because both involve end of life care, both are

terminally ill, and both raise profound issues as medical

technology improves and people can be kept alive longer. That is where

legally similarities end because in the case of Charlie guard his

doctors say he should be allowed to die with dignity and bad in bowls

withdrawing treatment which is perfectly legal. In the case of

normal Conway, he says he wants to die with dignity but he needs a

doctor to actively do something and it's that active giving him this

lethal dose of barbiturates that would mean they were falling foul of

the suicide act and they would face up to 14 years in prison but both

raise profound issues. Neither has any indications for the other but

interesting that both are before the High Court. And in the case of

Charlie guard, an American neurologist is due to meet the

doctors at great arms. That's right, he was invited back in January but

declined to come, he is a busy man and runs a mitochondrial research

unit in New York, but he has agreed to come. The judge has said if both

sides, he am the doctors at great Ormond could reach a mediated

settlement he would be delighted. But at the beginning of last week

when this case came back to the High Court with the claims of new

evidence, the judge said it would take something pretty dramatic to

make him change his mind but this will be the first time that the

doctor in America has seen Charlie guard and had access to all his

medical records for jihad and asked 4-by-4. He's going to be here today

and tomorrow and then the High Court judge has said he will bring it back

to Court next week and will make a decision. Thank you, Fergus. Fergus

is our medical correspondent. More on both those stories later in the

programme. Now, a summary of the rest

of the days news. Here is to wonder. -- here is

Joanna. Victoria will speak to victims of

acid attacks and the MPs you arranged for the debate at 935.

The Brexit Secretary David Davis has called for both sides to "get down

to business" this morning as the next round of negotiating

Mr Davis is meeting the European Commission's chief

Key issues will include the future rights of EU citizens in the UK

and British citizens living in other member states.

As the Foreign Secretary Oris Johnson explains. I'm pleased

negotiations are beginning and as you know, a very fair and serious

offer has been put on the table by the UK Government about citizenship,

the value we place on the 3.2 million EU citizens in our country,

I think the very good offer we are making to them and the security they

can have about their future and I hope very much that people will look

about for in the spirit it deserves because I think it's a great offer.

Thank you. The final route for

the controversial HS2 rail line north of Birmingham will be

announced today - There's also more detail on who has

been awarded contracts worth nearly 7 billion pounds to work

on the first stretch of the line - and information

on around 16,000 jobs. Our Business Correspondent

Joe Lynam has more. It's Britain's biggest investment

ever in public transport. HighSpeed2 is designed to cut

journey times and increase the number of passenger

seats between London It's been six years

in the planning but now the first construction contracts have been

signed, and they're worth ?6.6 billion, which the government says

will support 16,000 jobs The first trains aren't

expected to run, though, until 2026, by which time they hope

to carry 300,000 passengers per day. ?50 billion on a track

of this nature... The Stop HS2 Campaign

in the Chiltern says it will only benefit the richest in society

and the corporations who build it. And reports on the weekend said HS2

could end up as the most expensive Even so, the muddy work of spades

in the ground begins next year for what the government

calls "The backbone Stacy Banner has returned

to her mother's home for the first time since her mum was killed

by her step-father, who also shot dead her sister

at their puppy farm in 2014. In April the Independent Police

Complaint's Commission found that two Surrey Police staff were rebuked

for returning shotguns to John Lowe, who later murdered Christine

and Lucy Lee. And you can see that film

of Stacy Banner returning For the first time Doctor Who will

be a woman, she's been unveiled as Jodie Whittaker but everyone

is happy about the change. The actress said she wanted to tell

fans not to be scared by her gender. There has been mixed reaction in the

newspapers and from commentators something men are being

marginalised, others saying the change is long overdue.

And Victoria will be talking to fans and the Editor

of Doctor Who magazine to see their reaction at 9.45.

So many of you giving your views, Rees saying Jodie Whittaker is

brilliant, especially excited and used by crew men getting upset by

this. In an audio series Arabella Weir played the Doctor, one pure has

said, give her a chance. Martin on Facebook says millions of fans stop

watching several years back, this is just several more nails in the

Doctor Who Coughlan. -- one. Another viewer said it would be great if it

encourages girls to get involved in science. Terry on Facebook says it

is brilliant, excellent choice, bring on the next series. Delyn says

its great a woman has got the role, the eccentric he could look theme

was getting stale. Elisabeth says what is all the fuss about? Michelle

says she is a great actress and will be brilliant. Many of you will know

her from broad church. She was amazing in that role. Get in touch

with us throughout the morning. Some sports news. Blair is here and

amazing Roger Federer. Good morning. Such a massive day for him

yesterday, watched on Centre Court by his family including his two sets

of twins, becoming the first man to win Wimbledon eight times eating

Marin Cilic in straight sets, not dropping a single set which is a

record in itself. The first man to do that in 41 years. Now part of

Wimbledon history of poets worth mentioning Martina Navratilova has

won the ladies singles title nine times before. But at the age of 35,

he becomes the oldest man in the open era to win at the All-England

Club after spending six months away from the sport last year, missing

the French Open in June but he said that Wimbledon is his favourite and

he hopes to come back next year to defend his title. Good news for

Johanna Konta. Excellent news, the world rankings are out and after

that incredible run at Wimbledon she is the fourth test player in the

woman's game. Moving from seventh to fourth after Garbine Muguruza beat

Venus Williams in the finals on Saturday. Angelique Kerber still

number one. Andy Murray keeping his spot at the top of the world

rankings despite losing to Sam Querrey. The first time since 1975

that a British man and woman have made the top five. Great news. An

unusual mixed dubber is -- doubles or Kim cloisters. This has to be the

most endearing moment this year away from the serious sporting

achievement, four-time grand slam winner Kim cloisters invited a fan

to join her on Court, this was during the individual doubles on

Friday. It was after he was shouting suggestions were she should serve.

She also said he had to look the part, he had to wear a skirt. She

was in stitches but he eventually managed to get it on. What a sport!

A serve coming up. This is surprising. Kim was serving, he

beckons her, he lobbed it loving that. He was a good sport,

eventually hitting the net. Great sport, hosing or picture is a little

bit later. I think it's the Wimbledon equivalent of come and

have a go if you think you are hard enough. My favourite moment of

Wimbledon away from the sporting events. Victoria, back to you. Thank

you. A woman whose mother and sister were

shot at a family farm in Surrey tells us why she wanted to visit the

scene of their deaths. 82-year-old John Lowe murdered his wife and step

daughter along with four puppies in 2014. Police had returned his

shotguns to him before he murdered them. Christine Lee's other daughter

was at her family home three miles away. She was arrested after the

deaths and now an Independent Police Complaints Commission review has

found misconduct claims against one Surrey police sergeant involved in

the case. Two other detectives have been cleared. Almost three years

after the murders, Stacy wanted to revisit the scene where her family

was killed and asked us to be there with her. During the visit, she

becomes very upset but was determined to carry on. You might

find some of the details in this report distressing.

It's almost like expecting something to happen.

For the first time in three years, Stacy Banner has returned

to the family farm near Farnham in Surrey where her sister Lucy

and her mum Christine were shot dead in 2014 by this man,

It brings back so many terrible memories.

if there was anything that reminded me of them.

The two deceased appeared to have gunshot wounds.

The officers also found a total of four dogs at the address,

all of whom also appeared to have had gunshot wounds.

So what drove this 82-year-old to carry out such

If he hadn't have got those guns back then they would be here,

They would be alive, they would be fine,

my children would be, you know, able to see them.

A year before the killings, in March 2013, John Lowe's seven

shotguns were seized by Surrey Police following

But five months later the guns and his licence were returned and,

in February 2014, Christine, who had known Lowe for more

than 25 years, was shot at point-blank range.

Her daughter Lucy escaped and made a frantic 999 call before

She's running down the drive, OK, and making that call.

Surrey Police were strongly criticised by the Independent Police

Complaints Commission for returning John Lowe's collection of shotguns.

Stacey's account of what happened that day is very distressing.

Can you imagine having to beg for your life?

The police described what happened in the house as an execution.

And I keep thinking, you know, she should've hid.

It took her quite a long, it wasn't instant with Lucy.

You know, the police took 45 minutes to get there,

He couldn't leave me her, I want her back.

John Lowe, just hours after being arrested,

He claimed the murder was an accident.

I was going to the door, holding the gun up to go to the door.

So I pulled the trigger, I don't know if I even meant to.

Now, Surrey Police had records of John Lowe's violent history.

He had made repeated threats to kill, and even lied

on his firearms application, but yet he was still given

One of the reasons why people are so shocked, likely,

is because this is not commonplace in England.

I've come to meet Surrey's Police and Crime Commissioner, David Munro.

I'm afraid the firearms licensing unit did not behave

as it should have done, and made catastrophic

mistakes which led to this tragic, tragic result.

There was a catalogue of errors in the firearm licensing department.

They handed John Lowe back his guns, and as a result of that he murdered

As soon as the murders happened, we got in independent police forces

to review our firearms licences, so I am confident that the firearms

licensing unit is now fit for purpose, which it clearly wasn't

The tragedy should never have happened.

The two officers who were held responsible for failing to carry out

proper checks on John Lowe have since been dismissed

He was just, his job was as a guard dog.

Mandy worked with John Lowe and says she still has nightmares about him.

Speaking for the first time, she says that she was also

threatened by the pensioner on his farm.

We had the RSPCA there, we had the police there.

He didn't have his guns back at this time.

We had to remove all the dogs from the farm because the RSPCA

were taking them, and John stood at the fence and said,

"If I had my guns, I'd shoot the effing lot of you."

They still gave him his guns back later on.

And he said that in front of the police?

He said that in front of the police, while we were walking out with arms

We'd had to borrow leads to get the dogs away from that.

Remember the last time when you see her?

Stacey, her two children, and her husband Andrew say

they are still coming to terms with the pain their

The circumstances and how brutal the murder was,

the more and more that came out over time, the more dreadful it got.

Then you see stuff on the news that you wasn't even told yourself,

you find out on the news what actually had happened instead

It wasn't great to see Stacey watching that kind of thing

To me, it should've been done better, it should've been dealt

And it's all the more upsetting for Stacey that the mum and sister

she loved so much should have died in such tragic circumstances.

They were incompetent, they were complacent, and they've

What are you doing in order to prevent this happening ever again?

We have implemented in full all recommendations.

We have a new leadership team in place.

I'm confident they are giving this whole area -

it's a complex area, firearms licensing -

the attention that it deserves, and I will be making sure

that they keep their eye on the ball.

John Lowe, seen here in 2014, will spend the rest

Christine and Lucy Lee's murders offer a rare glimpse into a tragic

crime and the impact on the victims left behind.

Stacey says that she's decided to speak out with her family

in the hope that her story will resonate as a vivid

account of what happens when mistakes are made.

He has wrecked my life, because I have no roots.

Everyone's got that, "I'm going to my mum's this weekend," or,

Just last week a Surrey Police detective involved in the case

was found guilty of misconduct after arresting Stacey in 2014.

This was following the death of her mum and sister.

Meanwhile two other detectives were cleared.

We'll talk to Stacy later on in the programme. Coming up, acid attacks -

we'll talk about that later. Plus we'll hear from Roger Federer, the

greatest of all-time after his eighth Wimbledon win.

And the new Dr Who Jodie Whittaker deals with criticism of her

appointment by tells fans not to be scared of her gender. He's not

bothered! We'll talk to some of those fans in the next half hour.

Time for the latest news with Joanna.

Our top story today, a terminally ill man will this

morning begin a High Court challenge to the ban on assisted dying.

Noel Conway, who's 67 and has motor neurone disease,

wants a doctor to be allowed to prescribe a lethal dose

of drugs when his health deteriorates further.

Under the law, any doctor who helped him to die would face up

Opponents say a change in the law would place the weak

A 20-year-old man has been charged in connection with the murder of a

girl at the weekend. He has been charged with possession with intent

to supply a Class A drug. The 15-year-old was found unconscious at

a park in Newton Abbott over the weekend.

The final route for the controversial HS2 rail line

north of Birmingham will be announced today -

There's also more detail on who has been awarded contracts worth nearly

7 billion pounds to work on the first stretch

of the line - and information on around 16,000 jobs.

The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson explains what will be happening in

the Brussels round of talks. We can't bring you that now. We'll

bring you that later. American neurologist who's offered

to carry out a new therapy on the terminally ill baby,

Charlie Gard, is due to meet Eat Ormond Street Hospital -

where Charlie is being treated - The High Court is

considering his case. For the first time Doctor Who will

be a woman, she's been unveiled as Jodie Whittaker but everyone

is happy about the change. The actress said she wanted to tell

fans not to be scared by her gender. There has been mixed

reaction in the newspapers and from commentators something men

are being marginalised, others saying

the change is long overdue. And Victoria will be talking

to fans and the Editor of Doctor Who magazine

to see their reaction at 9.45. More people are delighted about her

becoming the 13th Dr Who, than those who're not so delighted. Here is Liz

with the sport. Roger Federer says he plans to

return to defend his title in eczema. He turns 36 next summer,

winning for the eighth time at the All-England Club. -- to defend his

title in the summer. Johanna Konta reaches a career high of four in the

world after losing to Venus Williams in the semifinal. It's the fourth

day of the second test for England cricket against South Africa, hoping

to avoid defeat at Trent Bridge. Resuming on 1-0. That's all from me.

I will be back at 10am. The government is being accused of

dragging its feet over tougher sentences for people who carry out

acid attacks. There were 450 attacks in London alone last year, double

the number from 2015. Harsher punishments and stricter rules for

buying crews of substances will be debated in Parliament but victims

want to know why it's taken so long to get the issue talked about in the

Commons. Something first raised on this programme in April by Chris

Bonnie who was attacked with acid by strangers on the doorstep of his

home. There needs to be some form of education, it's not acceptable to

use it as a weapon. From a young age, sorry, we educate that knife

crime, how bad it is, gun crime but chemical attacks, substance attacks,

they are becoming more and more frequent and there needs to be

something done to stop it. We can talk now to Stephen Timms,

the Labour MP that has organised tonight's debate,

Jaf Shah from the Acid Survivors Trust International

and Tara Quigley, who had acid thrown at her in 2013

leaving her with severe burns on her face and neck; she's had 15

operations to date on the burns. Tara, thank you so much for talking

to us, tell the audience for happened to you. I was at my home

address, I had a young man knocked on my front door, he asked for

someone of a name that didn't live there, he went away, five minutes

later he returned and threw acid acne. Without saying a word.

Basically destroyed my life in one action. Tell us about the treatment

you had since then. I had plastic surgery, skin grafts, realignments

of my skin, it just goes on and on, 15 operations. Is that how it feels,

it feels like he has destroyed your life? Definitely. You have any idea

why he did what he did? None whatsoever, he refused to give any

information. But he has been caught. Yes, he was caught with them I think

the first two weeks. And he's never ever given any steered to the

officers investigating your case? Not whatsoever, he was quite

ignorant to the fact. What you think about the debate now for either new

legislation or a database of Thibaut who buy acid or an age limit,

restriction on those who buy this corrosive substance? I think it's

long, long overdue to be honest, excuse me. I think this should have

been done years ago. We are just showing the audience an image of you

after the acid was thrown at you. Can you recall the sensation as it

was on your head? It was horrible. I could see my skin bubbling and the

pain was excruciating. It was the worst day of my life, by far. And

how are you now? Not just physically but also mentally? I think the

mental side of it in some ways is the worst because physically, the

doctors have healed me as such and they've done amazing work with me

but mentally, it's never going to leave me. It's an everyday thing, I

think about it every day, I fear it every day, I think of it every

night, its ongoing, part of me now. Right. Tara, I am going to bring in

another guest, from the acid survivors trust International. What

should be in place to prevent what happened to Tara happening to

someone else? We released a study looking at UK legislation back in

November, 2015. We made recommendations that the government

should be introducing tighter controls on the sale of acid,

particularly sulphuric acid in concentrated form. Through a

licensing system, like licensing systems we have for knives and guns,

that should happen immediately. On top of that, we are conscious of the

fact young perpetrators are perpetrating many of these, an age

restriction should apply to purchasing not just sulphuric acid

and household products which have high corrosive content. And I think

at the end of the day, we need a lot more research on the problem. We

don't have a clear picture, we need a better understanding of the

perpetrators, what either demographics... They are all young

men, aren't they? But we don't necessarily know the motivation

behind the attacks, we get a conflict in picture, some attacks

relating to robbery, had crime, gender-based violence, and some

unprovoked. We need to get a clearer pattern, once we have a clearer

pattern we are better able to introduce a more targeted response.

Stephen Timms, good morning. Good morning. Do you think we need new

legislation or have we got the legislation we need, it's just we

need prosecutors and judges to use what we have? I think we need

changes in the law and I very much agree with both your previous

speakers. I think first of all carrying acid should be a criminal

offence in the same way that we made carrying a knife a criminal offence.

Of course in both instances there are perfectly legitimate uses of

knives and acid. Sorry to interrupt, what we have this possession of acid

or other corrosive substances with intent to do harm can be treated as

possession of an offensive weapon. That's right but the is proving

someone has the intent to do harm if they have not actually done harm.

I'm saying that simply possessing acid should be a criminal offence on

less is a good reason why it's somebody has got at. That's the

change we made in the case of knives, we could equally do that in

the case of acid and I hope the Home Secretary today confirms the

government will make that change. The other one, picking up from what

your previous guest has said, sulphuric acid should only be sold

to someone who has a license to buy it, that's a change recommended by

the British Retail Consortium, either shopkeepers themselves. The

regulations are already in place to make that possible, government will

make that change too. Acid attackers, as you probably know can

be given life sentences, that is the maximum available for causing

grievous bodily harm with intent. Would you read a message out to the

judicial to start using the powers they have? Yes, I think they should.

The Home Secretary of the weekend said she was going to review the

sentences for people or conflict had up acid attacks. I think we need

tougher sentences and more consistent sentencing because

although sometimes life sentences have been used other times really

very small sentences have given, I think we need consistency and the

guidelines need to spelt that out. Why do you think we have seen a rise

in this country of these kinds of attacks? I think it's linked to a

clamp-down on the use of other illegal weapons like knives and

guns, perpetrators have identified a loophole in the system because there

isn't sufficient control around acid... Getting hold of it. Yes. At

acid leaves a very visible mark. On its intended fit in, enormous amount

of scarring. I think for some would-be perpetrators that's part of

the perverted appeal, it's about leaving a visible scar on your

victim. Tara, what would you message be to politicians who will talk

about this in the House of Commons today? Just, please, please change

the law, may get a compulsory life sentence and I totally agree with

the sales of acid, having to produce some sort of is that ID or hold a

licence. All right, thank you so much. We appreciate your time. Tara

Quigley who had acid thrown out in 2013. Thank you very much to my

other guests as well. Coming up, we'll be live

at Wimbledon to speak to this year's That is around in 30 minutes time,

we hope, possibly one of the nicest men in sport!

Some men are angry that a woman has been chosen to play Doctor Who.

for her roles in the crime drama Broadchurch, is taking it

all in her stride telling fans not to "be scared of her gender, saying.

It feels completely overwhelming; as a feminist,

as a woman, as an actor, as a human, as someone who wants

to continually push themselves and challenge themselves,

and not be boxed in by what you're told you can and can't be.

She'll take over from Peter Capaldi in this years christmas

special, ecoming the 13th doctor since the 1960s.

You will have to destroy all living matter. I never said that but I

maintain I have the right to decide what I look like. I got lost in the

time vortex. The TARDIS brought me home.

How about this? Much better, let's settle for this. I am off to visit

the scene of the crime. Tell me on the way. Can you hear me? Open your

mouth, you must drink this. Doctor? You were expecting someone

us? I... Stereo is and eager breath makes you sound and appear rather

egotistical, young lady! Where am I? Who are you? Stay back. This is

idiotic. I apologise. Physician, heal by self!

Of course, I suppose it makes sense. Wearing a bit thin. I hope the years

are rabid less conspicuous this time! Absolutely fantastic! And you

know what? So was I. His body repairs itself, it changes, but you

can't! I'm sorry, it's too late. I'm regenerating.

No! No! Please don't. Who's that girl?

We can chat about this more now with Doctor Who fans,

Katy Jon Went, Kavita Kakur, Ben Bradford and the editor of

What do you think? I am ecstatic, over the Moon, we need a shake-up

and we've been waiting for a female doctor for ages. When was the last

time we women had a great female role model to look up to? Long time

coming. We've already shaken up sexuality in the Doctor Who world,

so to speak. Just explain. Bring back torchwood. Torchwood shook up

things around sexuality and the character of Bill, same sex. And I

think it's already had and played with sexuality plenty and it has

been time to do gender and the master has been missing for three

years. Get over it. Then, for about you? I think it's great, when I saw

Jodie Whittaker I was excited and it was great. Because she's a woman or

a great actress? Or both. Great actor, the female aspect, she gives

it a new twist. Tom, does it give it a new twist? Is it we generate, to

use that word, rejuvenate Doctor Who? I think audiences have been

falling away a little. A little, there is always an ebb and flow to

something so popular, then it's been around for 54 years. Back in 1960,

in 66, William Hartnell left the programme and that they hadn't

decided to do something different that wouldn't have lasted any longer

than that, there's always going to have to be new and inventive ways to

keep something fresh and there's no reason why a woman couldn't play the

part. Jodie Whittaker is fantastic. I'm really looking forward to seeing

what she does. In the past, she tipped herself to

take over as the doctor at some point. This was Olivia Cole's

reaction. She's brilliant, it's a classy

decision, she'll do it so well. My only thing to say

is to leave her alone and let her do her job brilliantly,

because it's a massive, massive thing she's undertaken,

and she will be great. It's not her job to fly the flag

for all of women kind. The creatives made the right

decision, decided that part should She'll do that part better

than anyone, and yeah, So let her get on with the job, it's

not her job to do the job for womankind? Why does it matter

whether the doctor is a woman It does matter to some, not many, but

some people are cross about it. Yes. They think it's just about political

correctness and a sort of "typical BBC decision". Right, but I think

Jodie's a fantastic actress and she'll do it justice. If that's the

case, they should have been upset from the Advent of the programme

itself. It was female envisioned from the outset, there were female

producers at time, women have been involved in its production from the

beginning. There have been brilliant female characters in it. Yes, it's

probably one of the most diverse programmes out there, but it needs

to be more so. There'll be people out there saying, why couldn't it

have been a black woman. You can't tick every single box but it's a

long-awaited diverse shift that I think will bring a new charm and

character to the role. She's also not representing all of womankind,

she's going to represent her character and her role. She's

already said she's got to channel 13 other personalities of the doctor

already so the character, the gender may change and the character will

take shifts, but the personality of the doctor will remain the same.

Interesting to see if Chris uses the... Chris is the new executive

producer and he workeded with Jodie Whittaker on broad church. And

Olivia Coleman. I think we are going to have a very interesting show. Was

it a surprise or not Tom when you heard it was Jodie Whittaker,

bearing in mind Chris worked with her on broad church? I suppose it's

not the biggest surprise because you look at people who Chris has worked

with before and she's going to be flailing at the top of the list. I

was surprised as everyone else was when it was the hood being pulled

back and it was her because I didn't have any advance warning. When we

can stop talking about the fact that it's a woman and specifically Jodie

Whittaker, that will be the big moment, because the real question

is, what is she going to do with it, how will she convince us she's the

same character that's been played by all these other men? I'm really

looking forward to that because I think she'll do it really well.

Martin says on Facebook, still the BBC are trying to twist a negative

into a positive. Try doing a live poll before spouting rubbish. I'm

going on messages the programme and actually, there are not many

criticising the decision to make the 13th doctor a woman. That is what I

was going on. Adele says it's long overdue, not for any PC reason but

it could provide new refreshing material. I couldn't watch it much

after David Tenant but I think Whittaker could add a new diamongst

and aisle excited by it. Simon says, anyone who has a problem with it

should jump in a Tardis and join us in the modern day. The seer I haves

was getting stale and needed something fresh. It should have been

done for the sake of the stories, but not for political correctness.

Men aren't being marginalised but we are being reduced and about time.

Sydney says, people really upset at the new doctor as a woman? ! It's

pathetic, grow up. What do you think about the fact Ben that Jodie

Whittaker said in a statement, apart from being thrilled, delighted and

overwhelmed, don't be scared of my gender? They shouldn't be scared of

her gender, she's going to be playing the doctor, rather than the

female doctor and it's exciting. There can't be any other way to

describe it. But the fact that she put that in her statement? It means

that people are still kind of hung up on the idea of gender. I think in

the last couple of episodes, they've been hinting with clues that there

is going to be a change and that it's swinging towards a female.

There was a Q A rather than a statement but you know what I mean.

OK, we'll look forward to it. Thank you very much all of you.

Plenty more on this later in the programme. Get in touch with your

own views. Next an American Doctor Who has offered to carry out a new

therapy on the terminally ill baby Charlie Gard is due to meet the

medical team today. He says there is a 10% chance the treatment could

help the little boy. It's the latest development in this long-running

legal battle between his parents and doctors at Great Ormond Street

Hospital. You know, he wakes up,

he enjoys his tickles, we lie next to him, he watches

videos on the iPad So, you know, if he were suffering,

I couldn't do it, I promise you. I can't, still, to this

day, cannot get my head round when we took him into this

hospital, they don't Like, there is somewhere

out there that does. And they've basically just

kept him a prisoner there. And, you know, our parental rights

have been completely stripped The reality is that Charlie

can't see, he can't hear, he can't move, he can't cry,

he can't swallow. Immensely sadly, his condition

is one that affords him no benefit. But they are slower

than what they should be. You know, they're not

normal for his age. I wouldn't be able to sit

there and watch my son suffer or be in pain,

I promise you that. There's a lot of people that say,

oh, I couldn't do it, We will talk more about that in the

next hour of the programme. In a few minutes, we'll bring you

the latest news and sport, of course, and much more comments about

the issues in the news today. Before all of that, let us bring you a

weather update and here is Lucy Martin and it's her first day on our

programme. Hello, welcome! Hello there, thank you Victoria.

Some hot weather over the next few days. We'll see some blue skies.

Beautiful photos sent in by some of our weather-watchers. There was

plenty of blue skies around this morning, not a cloud in the sky.

Good spells of sunshine and it will feel warm in the sunshine. For

Northern Ireland and Scotland and parts of northern England, more in

the way of cloud first thing this morning. That will thin and break

and allow for some good spells of sunshine. The cloud becoming confine

toed the far north of Scotland. Light drizzle possible there. A

beautiful day today. Plenty of sunny spells around and plenty of

brightness. A bit of high level cloud.

For Wales and Northern Ireland, plenty of brightness too.

For Scotland, plenty of brightness and sunshine here. Temperatures

responding in the low 20s. Where we have got that cloud, the

temperatures slightly clipped back. Through the evening, the far north

of Scotland holds on to the cloud. It will become dry and there'll be

clear skies for Northern Ireland and Scotland. More cloud pushes into the

south-west into the early hours. It's a muggy night with overnight

lows of between 11 and 18. For Tuesday, high pressure remains in

charge but it starts to shift to the east, meaning we are going to drag

in warmer air from the near continent.

It will be a bright start to the day. The best of the sunshine across

Northern Ireland and Scotland first thing. For Wales and the south-west,

a bit more cloud first thing. Then we are beginning to thin and break

it. The chance of thundery showers pushing south-west. Feeling really

warm with highs of 29. It will be a touch cooler on the East Coast. As

we go through Tuesday night, we'll start to see the showers creeping up

towards the north. They'll become a little more heavy as we move into

the early hours. Temperatures on Wednesday are going to be really

warm so there is the chance for England and Wales to see some

thundery showers. Starting in the east and gradually making their way

to the west. Becoming fresher through Thursday and Friday. If you

don't like it as warm, that will be a welcome relief for you. Slightly

more changeable with a few outbreaks of rain. Some brightness as we move

through the day today. Hello, it's Monday, it's 10 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, We'll speak to the daughter of the

puppy farm murder victim. He beat her, shot the doings. Then stood

over her with that gun. (BLEEP) Absolute monster. We'll talk

to Stacy in the next few minutes. The terminally ill man

who will begin a High Court challenge this morning to challenge

the ban on assisted dying. Noel Conway says he wants the right

to die when his health I do not want to die very slowly of

sufficiencation and being semi conscious until I'm in the position

where, you know, I don't even know what's going on. Why should I have

to do that? I know I'm going to die. Noel Conway has motor neurone

disease. We'll hear from him later on. Also today: And the new Dr Who

is a woman and some people aren't happy but Jodie Whittaker tells fans

not to be scared of her gender. Karen on e-mail says, I knew she'd

be slim, probably blonde and attractive. What a surprise, not a

success for equality. Tina says I object to you stating that the

opposition comes solely from men. Many women, myself included, are not

happy about this, the inference that men who disapprove are being petty

is another way for the feminist obsessed BBC to slur men. This role

was created as a male character and should have remained so. George says

brilliant to have Jodie Whittaker and being from Yorkshire, she'll be

the best yet. Thank you for those. Keep them coming in.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

A terminally ill man will protest to overturn the laws so a doctor is

allowed to help him die when his health deteriorates. Under the

current law, any doctor that helped him would face up to 14 years in

prison. Opponents say the change would put vulnerable people at risk.

The rise in the number of acid attacks will be discussed in

Parliament today. Latest figures suggest there were more than 400

assaults involving corrosive substances in England and Wales in

the since months to April. The debate comes as the Government

begins a review into the issue which could see sentences for the offence

increased. The Brexit Secretary David Davis has

called for both sides to "get down to business" this morning

as the next round of negotiating Mr Davis is meeting

the European Commission's chief Key issues will include the future

rights of EU citizens in the UK and British citizens living in other

member states, A 20 year old man has been charged

with drug offences by police investigating the death of a teenage

girl in Newton Abbot The 15 year old was found

unconscious at a park Devon and Cornwall Police have

charged Jacob Khanlarian, from Newton Abbot with possession

with intent to supply He is due to appear before

magistrates in Plymouth later. The final route for

the controversial HS2 rail line north of Birmingham will be

announced today - There's also more detail on who has

been awarded contracts worth nearly 7 billion pounds to work

on the first stretch of the line - and information

on around 16,000 jobs. An American neurologist who's

offered to carry out a new therapy on the terminally ill baby

Charlie Gard is due to meet He is also expected to examine

Charlie over the next two days Great Ormond Street Hospital

says his condition is irreversible. The High Court is

considering his case. For the first time Doctor Who will

be a woman, she's been unveiled as Jodie Whittaker but NOT everyone

is happy about the change. The actress said she wanted to tell

fans not to be scared by her gender. There has been mixed

reaction in the newspapers and from commentators something men

are being marginalised, others saying

the change is long overdue. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Mostly you want to talk about Doctor

Who, but please, get in touch with us. But now, time for the sport.

Thank you. Boris Becker says he expects Roger Federer to win more

Grand Slams after claiming his 19th at Wimbledon, some weeks shy of his

36th birthday. He won a record eighth Wimbledon title, beating

Aaron Cilic in straight sets. Becker believes that taking time out is key

to this success of the Swiss player. Six months off, he rescheduled all

of this year, played the U.S. Open, winning the first major, he is back.

Compare him to any athlete, he is right up there, you talk about

Formula One, running, basketball, football, I don't think there's

anyone like him at the moment. I don't know if he can get better but

it is important, what to do the next couple of weeks. I am sure he will

take some time off, but which tournament to pick? The way he plays

at the moment there are more slams in the making. Jamie Murray admits

he would have rejected any other partner apart from Martina Hingis

after they won the mixed doubles title at Wimbledon. They have been

playing together for long, only deciding to team up prior to the

tournament. It's her sixth Wimbledon title in her career and Jamie Murray

is second. Really happy that I contacted Jamie about playing

together and pretty much, my wish came true to give ourselves a good

chance to win the title and we did. It was a great two wigs were a Scot

played a lot of great tennis, excited to win, huge achievement for

us. -- it was a great two weeks for us. Johanna Konta is now fourth in

the world after reaching the semifinals of Wimbledon before

losing in straight sets. She was ranked seventh before the

tournament, Andy Murray remaining world number one despite going out

in the semifinals. England cricketers staring defeat in the

face in the second test against South Africa are being set a target

of 474 to win and if they chase it, it would be a world record Test

match. Alastair Cook and kid in Jennings resuming on one without

loss, enduring a tricky four overs yesterday. England will have to bat

for two days if they are to avoid defeat. Today is a rest day in the

Tour de France, Chris Froome enjoy including his feet up, overcoming

mechanical issues to retain his 18 seconds lead after stage 15 despite

a dramatic afternoon. He had to change a wheel and deal with the

hostile doing home fans, recovered brilliantly, no for near the 189

points five colour meter stage win. Freedom retained the yellow jersey.

Aids Day for the world Para athletics Championships, Britain

holding eight old medals. Jonnie Peacock picking up his eighth in the

T 44. -- it is the eighth day. I know I was in good form but I

don't care about times, I never do. It would be a great cherry on top of

the icing, people care about medals, that's what I'm going to be able to

keep for ever. That's all for now. Victoria, back to you.

This morning, a woman whose sister and mother were shot

by her stepfather at the family farm in Surrey tells this programme

why she wanted to visit the scene of their deaths.

82-year-old John Lowe murdered his wife Christine

and step-daughter Lucy Lee along with four puppies in 2014.

Police had returned his shotguns to him before he murdered them.

Christine Lee's other daughter was at her family

She was arrested after the deaths, and now an Independent Police

Complains Commission review has found misconduct claims against one

Surrey Police sergeant involved in the case,

but two other detectives have been cleared.

Almost three years after the murders, Stacy wanted to revisit

the scene where her family was killed, and asked us

During the visit she gets very upset, but was

We bought you Noel Phillips' full report earlier.

You know, it's almost like expecting something to happen.

For the first time in three years, Stacy Banner has returned

to the family farm near Farnham in Surrey, where her sister, Lucy,

and her mum, Christine, were shot dead in 2014 by this man -

It brings back so many terrible memories.

To see if there was anything that reminded me of them.

A year before the killings, in March 2013, John Lowe's seven

shotguns were seized by Surrey Police following

But five months later, the guns and his licence were returned.

And in February 2014, Christine, who had known Lowe

for more than 25 years, was shot at point-blank range.

Her daughter, Lucy, escaped, and made a frantic 999 call before

Stacy's account of what happened that there is very distressing.

Stacy's account of what happened that day is very distressing.

And I keep thinking, you know, she should have hid.

So then he beat her, shot the dogs...

And then stood over her with that gun.

He couldn't let me have her, you see, he couldn't let me have her.

Now, Surrey Police had records of John Lowe's violent history.

He had made repeated threats to kill, and even lied

But yet he was still given a licence to hold a gun.

As soon as the murders happened, we got an independent police forces

So I'm confident that the firearms licence is now fit for purpose,

The tragedy should never have happened.

Christine and Lucy's murders offer a rare glimpse

into a tragic crime, and the impact on the

Just last week, a Surrey Police detective involved in the case

was found guilty of misconduct after arresting Stacey in 2014.

Meanwhile, two other detectives were cleared.

We can speak now to Stacy Banner now.

Good morning and thank you for coming on the programme. Good

morning. I wonder if you could tell the audience what impact going back

there has had on you. It has put some closure on it, it's made me

feel there is nothing there, you know, my mum and sister aren't there

any more, it hasn't changed, it's incredibly scary for me to go back

but it has put some closure on that, not completely, but some. How would

you like to remember your mum and your sister? I think it's incredibly

important that people are aware of domestic violence and not to be

scared to speak out. You know, regardless of age or culture, your

background, you have to do something about it, you have to take direct

action. Or you could be sitting as I am today, morning the death of

someone you love. I'm very lucky to be alive because he would have

killed me so I'm fortunate in that aspect. But in a way you would want

that to be their legacy? I wanted to be the legacy and I want people to

be able to have the access to justice and not be scared because in

my situation, you know, I haven't, I was treated as the perpetrator

rather than the victim. So the comparison between John Lowe and I

was awful. And by that you mean, after the murder of your mum and

sister, you were arrested, you were held in the same police station as

John Lowe? Yes. For 23 hours. And I can remember it and I can remember

sitting in the self thinking, was he in the cell? Was he in the cell and

now I can't be in small spaces, it absolutely... It fills me with utter

panic, you have to remember, this was all for ATV. Threats that didn't

happen. So the audience know you were arrested on suspicion of theft

and questioned over allegation she wanted to burn down the farm? Yes,

which weren't true and you know, ironically, no investigation has

carried on from that, so... I was treated as a perpetrator, Surrey

Police have been relentless in pursuing me. The misconduct hearing

as Noel said in the film last week, the officer who arrested you did not

have sufficient evidence to suspect you of the offence for which he

arrested you and failed to ensure relevant witness statements were

taken before deciding you should be arrested. What do you think of that?

I think that detect it should investigate, I think the police

should have evidence before they have the power to arrest anybody.

Especially... How vulnerable I was. I hadn't eaten, I don't drive, there

was no evidence. I mean, I am sure people will appreciate that saying

that you want some work to burn down doesn't mean you are going to do it.

It's completely... I was an absolute trauma and grief and the fact of the

matter was, it wasn't investigated, it was persecution. You had

previously been investigated for fraud, you are appealing against

that conviction, do you think that played a part in perhaps the way

they viewed you are approached you? I think the fraud as part of this, I

am determined to obtain justice, it might take me another three years, I

don't know but I have to do that for my mum and sister. Again, another

thing I reported, again, everything else like I reported, never got

taken seriously which is incredibly sad. Because my mum and sister would

be here. How did you find out what had happened to your mum and sister?

It was Sky News, actually. The family liaison officer is came to my

home, and it was in the afternoon, I had cooked Sunday dinner, they came

in, and told me two women had been found at the farm and that there was

a male in custody. I knew he had killed them. You said that, didn't

you? Yes, I knew, I knew he had killed them. And then I passed out.

And then it was hours and hours because I was expecting a family

liaison officer and no one came. So at 5:15pm I got my husband to take

me to the farm and it was just full of police, she can imagine. And

their bodies were still there. My beautiful sister, my mum, their

bodies were still there and they told me to go to Guildford station

and even then, it was like I was treated in a way that no victim

should be treated. They knew, they were fully aware of what exactly he

was capable of so, I wasn't told, I found out on Sky News.

You mentioned at the beginning of our conversation that you want

people to have access to justice, that it's very important that if you

are in a domestic abuse situation, it's very important that you speak

out. Tell us more about what you mean by that? Unfortunately, victims

of domestic violence and historic violence are treated with almost

contempt. It's like "John Lowe couldn't do that, he's an old man. "

He was violent. The violence went back years, he was a violent man.

There are different degrees of violence. As a victim, I compared

trauma. I want access for justice for anyone that is in a domestic

violent situation that feels they can actually take on the police or

take on the establishment it takes a lot of time and you have to have a

lot of patience. But eventually, your name can be blackened. You

know, you can feel like the perpetrator. But eventually, the

truth comes out and it takes a long time and it's incredibly hard. You

have to be very strong. A previous IPCC report found some failings with

the police, including criticism of their decision to hand the guns back

to John Lowe after you'd warned them, raised the alarm. Is there

anything that you want to change or would like to see changed in terms

of the gun laws? Gun laws in this country are incredibly tight.

However, the shotgun fee is minimal and the taxpayer pays for people to

have guns. Do I agree with that? Of course not. The fact of the matter

is, you know, with guns, there needs to be a complete change in the way

we look at guns. It's not acceptable for any police to hand back guns to

anyone, especially not psychopaths. You've talked about your mum and

sister's legacy, what you hope the legacy will be. Tell us a bit about

the both of them? My sister was incredibly clever, she was a graphic

designer, she was beautiful, absolutely beautiful and I'm

incredibly proud of her. We had a very bad childhood so she survived

that and she was a real fighter. My mum was very funny actually. She

sometimes saw, you know... We'd had a hard life so she saw the good in

life and that's what I'm still trying to do, however difficult.

Thank you very much, Stacy. Absolute pleasure, thank you so much.

Thank you for talking to us. Speaking after the initial IPCC

report was published, Surrey Police said in 2014 the force commissioned

two independent reports from Hampshire and North Yorkshire police

which indicated the decision by firearms licencing officers to

return weapons to John Lowe was flawed and did not meet national

standards. We spoke with members of Christine and Lucy's family at that

time to advise them of the findings and to apologise for that decision.

As a result of those reports, we conduct add comprehensive review of

the firearms licencing in the years since 2014 and instigated the

recommendations from both independent reports.

We'll be live at Wimbledon to speak to the winner of the tournament,

Roger Federer. That is in about 20 minutes' time. More Brexit talks

today with David Davis, the Brexit secretary urging both sides in

negotiations to get down to business. A second formal round of

talks opens in Brussels this morning. Mr Davies says his priority

is to lift the uncertainty for EU citizens living here and British

nationals in EU countries. In a moment, we'll talk to Conservative

MP quasi Kwateng, who was a leave campaigner, and still is, but first,

let's talk to Sir Andrew Khan, a former senior civil servant and

former head of UK trade and investment, that's a Government

department aiming to increase the number of exporters and investors to

the UK and hopefully someone who can give us an insight as to how the

negotiations are going to work. Hello, thank you very much for

talking to us. Hello. You are expert in those negotiations, I'm told.

Give the audience an insight then in what the UK needs to do to make them

progress smoothly and reasonably swiftly? Well, I think what the UK

needs to do is to do what the EU 27, the Europeans have already done,

which is to be very cleaver about what our objectives are, very clear

about what the law is, and very clear about the process. The EU side

have done all of that. Now, it's easier for them because they're

united. The strength of the negotiating cards are in their hands

and the cliff edge is far worse for us than for them so if we don't

reach agreement it's worse for us than for them. However, the problem

in the UK on ourside, is that we just don't have agreement in this

country about what we are going for. Are we going for some of the

minister Euro-sceptics and what they want, which is reject everything and

walk away, don't give them any money. Do we go the other extreme

which some remainers say, which is a disaster, we mustn't do this. There

is a whole spectre of opinion in-between, in particular the soft

Brexiteers, the people who say look for business, jobs, prosperity, we

must be part of the single market and must have good access to it. The

hard Brexiteers say no, no, don't worry, we can find alternative

markets elsewhere. The most important thing for us is to decide

what we want, what our negotiating objectives are, to work out the

negotiating realities, you know, where does the power lie, and then

look at each of the individual areas of problem and there are 40 or 50 or

60, I mean it's a very complicated difficult negotiation. Work out what

the priorities are, what is the most thing thing that you must have and

what can you give away. That is how you appreciate the negotiation. Yes.

Do you think David Davis will have a clear plan? Well, I think he

probably does. But it's not clear that the Government has a clear

plan. The Government itself is divided. You have Philip Hammond,

the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who has to think about money, think

about tax receipts, think about business, think about jobs and

employment. He is saying, we can't afford to follow the lines that

Theresa May set out in her Lancaster House speech in January, you know,

the red line she set out, no European Court of Justice, no free

movement, no money paid to Europe. On the one hand, you have him. On

the other hand, you have Liam Fox in effect saying, let's just escape,

let's just go. So the Government is divided. Now, David Davis is of

course, he and his civil servants have done a huge amount of

preparation, very professional, but they don't have a clear Government

policy. Until we have that, we can't negotiate properly and sensibly. OK.

Just to let you know, we may interrupt because Roger Federer is

going to give a live interview at Wimbledon any moment I'm told so I'm

going to apologise in advance. Don't worry.

I'm not worried actually, I was just letting you know.

This week they are going to talk about the rights of EU citizens and

nationals abroad, they are going to talk about the liabilities, the bill

the UK has to pay, that has to be done swiftly in order to move on to

other stuff. Does the UK in your opinion have any cards up its

sleeve? Yes, of course we have cards up our sleeve. What? We are not

without cards. But we don't have as many cards as the European side

does. It's whistling in the wind, to quote something. , to pretend that

we do. But of course we do. For one thing, the Europeans need our money.

We have been a major contributor to the budget. Indeed, in my 40 years

of negotiating in Europe, the biggest issue has always been money

and, in my view, the biggest issue in this negotiation will in the end

be money. So we have the money, they want us to continue to pay in if per

prepared to, we'll get more access. In the end, the negotiation will be

access to the markets, you know, for our goods and services, in return

for money. So we do have that on our side. Sorry to interrupt, but you

are suggesting, not just will there be this divorce bill, as it's being

described by some, but you are saying we could continue to pay in

in order to get access to the single market? Of course we will, the

Government's said so. The Government's said there are some

things we really want. For example, the programme about universities,

the research programme which is the R D programme, the Government's

said we can see ourselves paying in future to be part of these

programmes. That's natural, you know. There are bound to be some

things that we want to work closely with with our closest neighbours in

the future. If you have a big project, everybody's got to

contribute to it. I don't think there's anything surprising about us

paying. The argument will be first of all what's the bill for the past

and, you know, you can argue in lots of different ways and the Europeans

are putting huge numbers on the table, we are putting small numbers

and we'll find an agreement in the middle. That's what always happens

in the negotiations. The difficulty is, we need to know how much access

we want of the single market and how much we are prepared to pay for

that. It's that which I think we still, as a Government, don't know.

We haven't decided. OK. Thank you very much. Sir Andrew Cahn, former

head of UK trade and investment, the Government department which aims to

increase the number of exporters and investors to the UK and spent many

years negotiating. Quasi Kwateng is here. Hello. What sort of bill would

be acceptable for the UK to pay? Clearly not the ?100 billion that

has often been said. The negotiations are starting today. I

think that we'll pay something. People are talking about

transitional arrangements, maybe two or three years, who knows how long,

but it will be a phased withdrawal. But in terms of the bill you say not

100? No. Why not? It's too large. If you look at where we were when we

were in it, and we are still in it actually, we are the second net

contributor, we are putting in 10 billion euros a year and it doesn't

make sense if we are the second biggest contributor to pay an

exorbitant amount of money just to get out of the club. I don't think

that makes much sense. We have already contributed a huge amount.

Is it not simple maths, whatever our liability is, that is what it will

be? It's not as simple as that. The investment bank has assets and we

have contributed a lot into that. There are assets on the other side,

there are not just liabilities. Would you welcome something that Sir

Andrew Cahn suggested there, which is we continue to pay in order to

get better access into the single market? That's what the negotiation

is about. Would you welcome that? My view is I can live with the

transitional arrangements but at the end of the process, I want to be

out. Pay them nothing? I don't think we should pay anything because the

EU is going down a different path, we have chosen not to go down that

and we should be free to leave it. That's part of the discussion. The

rationale as you know would be in order to continue to have, or to

have better access to the single market or the sames a Cesc, would it

not be worth it? It's a simple proposition, you are either in it or

out of it. Once you are out of it. There is no sense in which they are

paying a continuing fee to be kind of quasi or associate members. How

worried are you about the collapse in discipline within the Cabinet

since the general election? Look, I've been in politics for a few

years now and I know in the summer there are lots of garden-party type

events... Philip Hammond talked yesterday about the briefing against

him, so it's not just garden parties is it? He also mentioned the

Prosecco and it's the height of the summer. He said people are against

him. How worried are you about that? Not desperately because the

Government has a clear direction in terms of getting out of the EU... Do

you? I think it does. There are so many different opinions around that

Cabinet table? Not that many. I work very closely with Philip Hammond. We

were on two different sides of the debate but actually talking to him,

we have lots of shared ground. We want to leave the EU, we want to

deliver on Brexit. There is an issue in terms of the potential

transitional deal. Why are colleagues briefing against him? You

will have to ask them. I don't know. I read the papers like you do, I

think people... You don't hear it as his ministerial aid, considering

that you are on opposite sides of the debate, you don't hear that? I

have my own views as to how these stories get through and I read the

papers but I don't feel they're particularly representative.

Do you expect a leadership challenge to Theresa May before March 2019,

the two-year deadline for when we are supposed to be out?

I really don't. I think most MPs want to get through the Brexit

process before we think about trying to replace the leader have a

leadership contest. Thank you very much. Thank you. Still to come, an

American doctor who has offered to carry out a new type of treatment on

Charlie card. And we get more on Doctor who, as

people debate the lead role being given to a woman. Time for the

latest news headlines. A terminally ill man will begin a legal challenge

to overturn the ban on so-called assisted dying. Noel Conway who has

motor neuron disease wants to change the law in England and Wales saw a

doctor is allowed to help them die but his condition deteriorates. On

the current law any doctor who helped him would face 14 years in

prison. Opponents say the change would put honourable people at risk.

The rise in borough of acid attacks will be discussed in Parliament

today, latest figures suggesting there were more than 400 assaults

involving corrosive substances in England and Wales and the six months

to April. The debate comes as the government begins a review into the

issue which could see sentences for the offence increase. A 20-year-old

man has been charged with drug offences in the case of a girl dying

in Newton Abbott at the weekend. She was found unconscious in a park.

Devon and Cornwall Police have charged a Newton Abbott man with

possession with intent to supply a class a drug, he is due to appear

before magistrates in plus later. As the latest news. Join me for BBC

newsroom live at 11am. Here's the sport. Three-time Wimbledon champion

Boris Becker expects even more from Roger Federer after the Swiss player

claimed his 19th grand slam title. Becker believes taking time out is

the key to his success, the dad of Ford beading Marian Cilic in

straight sets to win a record eighth and open singles title. New world

rankings are out this morning, Johanna Konta has risen to fourth in

the world, becoming the first British woman to reach the

semifinals for 39 years, Andy Murray remaining the world number one. In

cricket England star player at 11am this morning on the fourth day of

the second test against South Africa. A huge job of chasing 474 to

avoid defeat at Trent Bridge. A resume on 1-0. That's all from us.

Thank you. An American doctor who's offered

to carry out a new therapy on the terminally ill baby

Charlie Gard is due to meet the child's medical

team in London today. Michio Hirano says there's a 10%

chance his treatment could help. It's the latest development

in a long-running legal battle between his parents

and hospital doctors. Let's get more insight into

what the family can expect today. Let's speak to Professor Julian

Savulescu, Chair in Practical Ethics Good morning. Hello. In terms of the

America will neurologist who will have access to Charlie and his

medical notes, what will be his priority? His his priority is to

evaluate how much to Terry oration there has been in Turleigh's brain

since January when he estimated the chances were low but not zero of

experimental treatment having some benefit. He will be looking at the

brain scans, recent brain scans, requesting a new one. The evidence

from the EE gramss and other clinical tests to evaluate what

element is a reversible and what scope there is for reversibility.

And the brain seizure that Charlie has been having, what do they point

to, what with that suggest to you? There is no doubt that Charlie's

brain is involved and his brain has been starved of energy for 11 months

now. The abnormal electrical activity is indicative of that, in

January the doctor felt the level of abnormal electrical activity was not

so great there wasn't the possibility of some improvement.

Electrical activity can normalise, it will depend on how much

deterioration has been and whether there is any chance, or whether

there is no chance. OK, thank you for your time. This statement from

Great Ormond Street Hospital... The medical director will formally

receive two visiting positions to review clinical data in the case

today. They will have an honorary contract in place which allows them

to examine the patient for the purposes of this visit, adding them

the same status as our clinicians and allowing them access to all

clinical Systems including diagnostic images, records and

facilities. Clinical staff will be on hand to facilitate the visit and

will have the opportunity to clinically examined Charlie.

Next, we can speak to the cyclist who stole her bike back from a man

selling it on a street corner the day after someone

30-year-old Jenni Morton-Humphrey ignored police advice,

Hello. Hi, how are you? I'm very well thank you. Tell the audience

what happened. A few weeks ago someone took my bike, I was very

angry as you might imagine and I happened to see it was on the

Internet, someone messaged me because they had seen it for sale,

someone had stolen, I put the picture, within minutes I got a

response a total stranger. And help me out, messaging a guy and I posed

as a buyer, didn't go to work the next day and went and took it,

pretty much. It was a bit more than that. You met him, you chatted, you

did the pleasantries and then, what did you do? I've seen him across the

street, is often and I thought OK, I'll the friendly, be nice, ask a

couple of stupid questions, is at a girls by, the right size, don't know

if I can ride it. I was pretty nervous but I think he believed

everything I was saying and I said, OK, I'm going to take it for a test

ride and I thought about it the night before. I had a bunch of old

keys which were strangely enough the keys to the locks they had cut off

my bike the night before so I thrust those into his hand and said, can

you oldies, I am going to ride it? He took the keys, I wobbled down the

pavement, fell off a couple of times to make it realistic and then off I

went. And he pedalled like the wind, did you? I really did. Faster than I

ever have before for quite a long time. I didn't look back on what I

just kept going. Eventually I found my way back to a meeting spot I had

arranged with my friend who was watching the entire thing. Yes, it

was a lot of adrenaline, definitely. Let's talk about the safety side,

you informed the police, you said this is what I'm going to do, I

think they advised against it, why would you so determined because it

could have been dangerous? It could have been, but you know, anyone that

owns a bike knows how I felt, I was so angry, someone had my bike which

I love, I phoned the police, I gave them quite a lot of evidence, we had

a number of screenshots from conversations between the person who

saw the sale online and the guy who presumably had stolen it. I did

consider it might be dangerous but I was quite confident that I could

pull it off, basically. And you did and there is resplendent bike behind

you. Right here, very happy. Thank you very much, thanks for coming on

the programme. You're very welcome. Take care. We did ask Avon and

Somerset Police for a comment but they were unable to get us anything

in time. Don't mess with that lady. A terminally ill man will today

begin a legal challenge to overturn the ban on so-called assisted

dying. Noel Conway, who has motor neurone disease,

wants to change the law in England and Wales so a doctor

is allowed to help him die Under the current law,

any doctor who helped him would face Opponents say the change would put

vulnerable people at risk. Noel explains why he's taking his

case to Court. I'm on a ventilator 20 hours out of 24 and it allows me

some quality of life, as I have said. But increasingly I'm coming to

rely on that ventilator so there will come a stage when I've got it

on permanently. That's going to be problematic. Both, not so much for

communication because I can use different masks, whilst I've still

got my voice, but there are a number of lines that you contemplate when

you are terminally ill, you never know which one is going to be the

real one. But one of them for me is being bedridden and not being able

to move, I do not want to die very slowly, of suffocation, and being

semiconscious until I am in a position where I don't even know

what's going on. For some people, they say, that is good palliative

care, well, I am sorry, that is just not an acceptable option for me. My

consultant cannot tell me how long it'll take. No one can. It be days,

it could be weeks, it could be longer. I am going to be left in a

situation at some stage, when I can't face, I can't face that amount

of suffering. But actually being, you know, locked in my own body. Or

facing a slow, suffocating death, drifting off into semiconsciousness.

Why should I have to do that? I know I'm going to die. I want to be like

David, Hume, the great nationalised, he said keep your energy, I reject

it, I want to be absolutely conscious at the moment of my death.

Let's talk to Lord Faulkner who tried to introduce an assisted bank

bill as a Private Members' Bill in the House of Lords which was

defeated in 2015, is that correct? Correct. You are a supporter of

changing the law, you would like to see assisted dying in cases like

this, quite a narrow group people, why? Because I think extremely

unfair that you shouldn't be to choose how you die once you are

already dying. What my bill proposed was that if you have a diagnosis of

six months or less to live you should be entitled to have a doctor

prescribed to you a prescription for which you take which would then end

your life. There are many people who get real benefit from palliative

care but there are always people who are however good the palliative

care, don't want the indignity of dying after they have said their

goodbyes, just holding on from day to day, facing the sort of fate that

Noel has just described on the piece you've just shown, which is the only

way that he can determine his own death is be taken off the ventilator

and then he will effectively drown because his heart and be able to

function properly. That's cruel, he should be allowed to choose this

moment and do it in his own way once he is dying. There have been a

number of similar cases, not many, but each time, Roddy speaking, the

outcome is the same, judges said this is a decision for Parliament,

Parliament has voted, has spoken. Parliament spoke in 2015 for they

rejected in the Commons a Private Members' Bill very much like the one

I proposed in the Lords, the Lords never reject the bid it felt through

the general election coming and there was no time but what the

courts said is we don't want to intervene as Parliament is debating

it, Parliament is no longer debating it, for Parliament does is express

the democratic will of the majority, but the judges do is determine that

minority interests are protected and everybody has equal treatment for

the law and they are guided in that either Human Rights Act. The last

time it came before the courts, the Supreme Court said Robert Lee by

majority we think it's contrary to the human rights law that you can't

make these choices but we don't want to intervene and so we hear what

Parliament has got to say. Now Parliament has spoken... You think

it could be different. It could be different, it's for the courts now

to say, whether or not they think it's contrary to your right to make

choices at the end of your life. OK. I'm going to introduce if I may,

what Faulkner, Sarah Wootton, the Chief Executive of dignity in dying,

campaign group by Noel Conway and we will talk to Michel Findlay, her

daughter Ella took her own life aged 36, with the generative multiple

sclerosis and terminal cancer. Ladies before I begin talking to you

are young being told potentially Roger Federer will be doing a live

interview from Wimbledon, so if that happens, we have to go to it at that

moment so I will pause our conversation but we will definitely

come back to you, I do hope you understand that I apologise in

advance. Sarah, Lord Faulkner was seen potentially through the courts,

this time it might be different because Parliament has a ready

spoken, what ... What do you think will happen in

this case? The blanket ban on assisted dying is compatible with

Noel's human rights to a dignified death. In the Supreme Court in 2014,

they made it clear that if Parliament didn't deal with this

issue, they could. So it was likely to come back to Parliament. The

chairman of the Supreme Court, Lord knowberger, said that it was likely

that another person with a terminal illness would get the declaration of

income patability. Michelle, I think your daughter's circumstances were

similar to Noel Conway's. Tell our add Jens a little about what

decisions she made? Well, Ella was diagnosed with MS when she was 20 so

she lived with the condition for 16 years, possibly 17 years, before the

diagnosis. She was convinced from the moment that she understood what

MS was that she would not want to be, as she called it, a cabbage with

a heartbeat and she wanted to be able to choose the time at which she

said goodbye to everybody. And that is indeed what she did? It is indeed

what she did. She said the decision was facilitated by a diagnosis of

terminal cancer. There was no going back, there was no miracle cure on

the horizon. She was going to die within two or three months. She just

decided that when she could no longer go to the toilet on her own,

brush her teeth or get even just sort of sit up and feed herself,

that she just did not want to be part of this life. She'd always been

a contributor to life even though she had disabilities and when she

couldn't do that any more, it wasn't worth living. Did she make the

decision to die on her own? Yes. Yes. I knew when I left her house

that that was going to be the day, but other people that looked after

her and loved her didn't. I was the only one that knew because she knew

that she could confide in me. But she didn't want anybody there, apart

from her little cat, because she didn't want the risk of anybody

being prosecuted for having been there, you know. I understand that

it's discretionary that we might be prosecuted but that wasn't good

enough for her. So she was effectively drying to protect you

all? Yes. She campaigned and was active in trying to change the law.

Do you think in your lifetime you will see a law change? It really

depends on whether MPs are going to listen to their constituents, rather

than to official medical organisations from the Royal College

of Physicians. Jeremy Hunt said that he had changed his mind since he

voted against it because he attended a funeral of somebody who had taken

their own life in Holland and he was coming to the opinion that it was

the right thing to do for some people. OK. Political decision...

OK. What do you say to the judges who will be hearing the case of Noel

Conway's? I would say to them and maybe some of them have, I would say

to them, if one of your loved ones was going to die a terrible death,

would you want to be sitting there with them while this happened, or

would you prefer to see them go and slip away peacefully. I'm going to

bring Lord Falconer back in. You know the argument against this which

is vulnerable people will be helped to die when they don't necessarily

want to die, that is why people oppose what you're campaigning for?

I think the position is worse the way it is at the moment because

there are no safeguards at all and what Noel is proposing to the court

is that there be safeguards, namely two doctors have got to say it's

right and the judge has got to say it's right. Michelle's account of

her daughter's death is absolutely tragic. As she said, and it's not

just Michelle's daughter, it's other people as well who've had the die

alone because they fear what may happen under the existing law and

what happens under the existing law is, you're investigated by the

police, a well-meaning official then decides in his office or her office

whether or not you are going to be prosecuted. If you are prosecuted,

you've got no defence and it's awful. Thank you all very much for

coming on the programme. Thank you particularly Michelle for telling us

about your daughter. Let's go to Wimbledon and hear from

Roger Federer, eight-times Wimbledon champion. Here he is.

Sitting here on the players' lawn at Wimbledon on a glorious third Monday

in the Championships, many congratulations again Roger. Thank

you. I remember you saying once in the past your favourite hour after

the Groom Grand Slam is the hour after match point when you see your

family and friends. You had a lot of hands to shake yesterday, Royalty,

fans, celebrities, did it live up to expectations? Yes, an amazing amount

of friend and family that came from around the world to support me at

the last minute at the finals and plus the people already here for

some time. We were actually up there almost like 80 of us, you know,

celebrating the win afterwards, so that was a beautiful moment just

having that one hour away from the press, away from the attention of

the world watching and just celebrating with your friend and

family and my kids and my wife. It was great. My parents too. I had a

great time. I was very thankful that I could get that hour in before I

had to go into two-and-a-half hours of press conference. Here you are

again this morning. Here I am. You have broken your tie with Pete

Sampras, you were level with him on seven titles. How special an

achievement is that for you? He'll always be my hero. Not because I've

surpassed his feat here, nothing's changed, he's still my guy, you

know. After our match here in 2001, that one day I would surpass him, I

never thought that would be possible in my wildest dreams so I take it as

it is and run with it, I enjoy it, I'm happy. People and fans were

happy for me again yesterday. So it was just another incredible day here

at Wimbledon. Wimbledon's been too kind to me over all these years and

now, to be the roshed holder for the first time for a male to win eight

Wimbledons, I'll always be that guy, it's very, very special and Pete

remains my hero for life, of course. How tempted are you by the prospect

of being world number one again? It looks almost certain as if you or

Nadal will take over from Andy Murray? It is at the very least a

fantastic storyline Absolutely. I think it's going to be a three or

four way race or maybe a two-way race with me and Rafa when Andy will

drop the world number one ranking. If all of a sudden Andy starts

winning again, we also have to win again. At some stage if he drops

points, we'll get there. I hope it's me and not Rafa because it would

mean a lot to me to get back to world number one. I was just trying

to explain to the press that I hadn't thought about it a whole lot

yet. I have to speak with the team and decide, am I going to chase it

for the near future, so maybe get to Wimbledon at least one more time in

my career, oh e or is the goal maybe to finish at world number one which

is a bigger deal. To me that makes no difference being world number one

for a week or year end number one at this stage in my career. So I have

to have a meeting and discussion with my team about that in the

coming week. Our favourite question generally is, how long are you going

to play for and I know you can't possibly answer that question. You

have won two Grand Slams since you turned 35. Ken Rose was in Grand

Slam finals at the age of 39. Does it appeal to you, the thought of

hitting your expertise and experience against guys half your

age? How it feels to play against the players half my age - it feels

also again quite different, you know. I love the times when I came

on tour and I played the likes I knew from the video gamesTV and here

I am playing against them and now I'm playing, I'm on the opposite

side, I'm like the guy they know from TV and now, joining, it's quite

-- I don't know, it's quite different. I'm enjoying myself. I

like to guide them and help them along the way and if they have any

advice they seek, I like to give guidance. It's important to share

experience and knowledge about the game. The game will always move on

and be bigger than any athlete, so I'm happy that I could be in the

sport as long as I have been and we'll see how much longer I'll be

around. A final thought. Have you learnt a great deal from other

sports men and women in other fields. I'm thinking of the likes of

Usain Bolt likely to be making headlines here in London over the

next few weeks? I get inspired in a big way by Usain Bolt, Le Bron

James, Rossi or Schumacher. People at the highest levels because I

would marvel at what they did. When I was younger I could get match

ready. People would practise 100% and I would struggle in a big way

when I was younger. Eventually I found my way how it was possible and

how I needed to motivate myself, how I needed a team around me to

motivate myself and do that. It's been really important for me to have

inSpiring figures -- inspiring figures. I take it mostly from

legends. ConFrank laces again, Roger, it's an extraordinary

achievement to have won an eighth title 14 years after your first.

Enjoy the moment. I sure will, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Russell Fuller talking to the brilliant Roger Federer, so special

he said it was and also interesting takening inspiration from other