18/07/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

Our top story today - survivors and relatives of those

who died in the Grenfell Tower fire have only received a small amount

of the money and items donated by the public.

Also on the programme - campaigners calling for the urgent

suspension of vaginal mesh implants in England are taking their case

It follows the exclusive coverage of the issue on this programme.

I am registered disabled. I am doubly incontinent and I have no

control over my bowel Orr bladder. I won't leave the house until I know

Miss Bowel is empty. Today the Dog's Trust releases

shocking footage of underage puppies apparently being transported

across europe and illegally into the UK - sedated

and with their umbilical cords We'll bring you the full

story before 10. Also on the programme today.

# I believe I can fly. # Shocking claims this morning that

R Kelly is holding several young We'll bring you details

of the claims - which he denies - We're live until 11 this morning.

And after 10.30 we'll be speaking to Johanna Konta -

who's now ranked number 4 in the world, after her stunning

performance at Wimbledon this year. If you want to ask her a question,

do get in touch and we'll Use the hashtag VictoriaLIVE,

and If you text, you will be charged A BBC investigation has

found that only a small fraction of the money,

donated as part of the Grenfell Tower fire appeal, has

so far reached survivors Almost ?20 million has been

raised and 40,000 boxes But just half a million pounds

of that has so far been distributed to the families affected,

and there are concerns that the money isn't reaching

people quickly enough. Tom Burridge

reports. Some of the items we've

had through have been This is the Grenfell Tower Fire

Appeal in action, a Red Cross Donations in the green bags will be

sold in Red Cross shops. Brand-new items will go straight

back to survivors of the fire It's about turning all the different

donations we've had into cash which automatically will then go

to the appeal. To appreciate the scale

of donations, you had to fly through this London warehouse a week

after the fire. It's estimated 174 tonnes

of stuff was donated. So far they have sorted half of it,

and ten tonnes has gone No amount of money is enough for

the loved ones of those who died. Research by the BBC shows that

several appeals and charities have Some question why only a small part

of that has made it through. We feel that it's betraying

the public's generosity because they gave money to help

directly those who were affected and we're not too clear

that it's happening. It's like there's a filter

and organisations rather than individuals are getting

the financial support. Charities say the complexity

and the scale of what happened The thing about these things that

we've learnt from the 7/7 attacks and indeed from the response

to the Manchester attacks, is that it takes longer

than you might think for people to come forward to

seek their funding. I have forgiven, you know,

the bombers who did this to me... Thelma Stober lost her left foot

in the London 7/7 bombings. She received money

donated by the public. I used it to get myself daily

physiotherapy support at home. My determination was to walk again

as I was told the chances It took 15 months to distribute

all the money raised for victims Thelma is now a trustee

of the London Emergency Trust. It's distributing ?4.8 million

of the Grenfell appeal. So far, 16 people have

received payments. You're in a state

of total confusion. A lot of people are suffering

from post-traumatic stress. You're trying to understand what has

happened, the implications for your life going forward,

is changed forever. Even here, in rural Cheshire,

what happened in a London tower It's emotional even now,

just the thought of what's yet to be Whether donating an old top

or a tenner, people The challenge for charities

is ensuring it all benefits those tomorrow we will be live talking to

survivors of and hearing their frustrations five-weeks after the

fire which killed at least 80 people.

Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

Theresa May has urged Conservative MPs and ministers to end

what she called the "backbiting" that has split the party

At a reception in the Commons last night, the Prime Minister

in Downing Street. was her or Jeremy Corbyn

It's a call for unity that she's expected to repeat this morning

Campaigners are calling for an urgent suspension of vaginal

mesh implants in England after this programme revealed that hundreds

of women are living with chronic pain and complications.

The mesh implants are used by surgeons to treat organ prolapse

and urinary incontinence, which can be common

Mesh implants have already been suspended in Scotland.

The R singer R Kelly has denied allegations

that he is holding several young women in an "abusive cult".

A BuzzFeed report accuses the singer of brainwashing women,

who got closer to him in an effort to boost their musical careers.

The singer's lawyer said he would work "diligently

and forcibly to pursue his accusers and clear his name".

and forcibly to pursue his accusers Austerity may be starting

in England, according to a leading health expert.

Professor Sir Michael Marmot, from University College London,

says the rate of increase has almost "ground to a halt" since 2010.

His suggestion that it was "possible" that austerity

was affecting how long people live has been dismissed

Our health correspondent, Nick Triggle, reports.

Life expectancy has been rising for the last century, but now

a leading health expert is raising concerns the increases

Sir Michael Marmot, who has advised both the government

and World Health Organization, points out that the rate of increase

Historically, life expectancy at birth has risen by one year

for every five years for women and one year every 3.5 for men.

Since 2010, however, that has slowed to one year

for every ten for women and one for every six for men.

Sir Michael says the situation needs to be urgently looked at.

This is historically highly unusual because over a long period of time,

for 100 years, life expectancy has been improving, year on year

in Britain as it has in many, many, many, many other countries.

And now it has slowed, i's almost flat, which means that

we've fallen behind some of the healthier countries.

He says it's not possible to say exactly what had caused it

but he says austerity could be a factor and funding for the NHS

and social care in particular had been miserly.

Dementia is also likely to have played a role.

The Department of Health says it's providing funding to ensure life

expectancy continues to rise and the ageing population

There should be stronger regulation of advertisements which show men

failing at simple household tasks and women left to clean up -

according to the body that oversees advertising in the UK.

The Advertising Standards Authority has been reviewing its approach

to ads that feature stereotypical gender roles.

It concluded that such ads had "costs for individuals,

As a result, it says it will draw up new rules.

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge - along with Prince George

and Princess Charlotte - are continuing their tour of Poland.

Today they'll visit the Stutthof Concentration Camp

Last night, Prince William delivered a speech in Warsaw

in which he praised the country's courage, fortitude and bravery.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

We are going to talk to Johanna Konta later. Now the sport. It was a

great day for Britain at the world paraathletics yesterday. Yes,

another great day. Good morning. Three more golds, that is 11 in

total. 20 medal overall so far, they only started on Friday. Two of those

11 golds so far, have come from Hannah Cockroft. She got the second

of those last night in the T 34 800 metres. She could win a third later

in the week as well. Cockroft is amazing. Nine world titles to go

with her five Paralympic gold medals. She could complete a treble

treble while not feeling great. She is short of breath. She says she

feels like she is smoking 100 cigarettes a day! That treble treble

could be sealed later. Sophie Kamlish won another gold and Olivia

Breen, a surprise, as she won the T38 long jump with a personal best.

Great Britain just second in the medals table. A little behind the

United States. Joe Root after being revered for his batting and

captaincy is on the rack after the collapse against South Africa. Yes,

welcome to the world of being England Captain Joe Root. That

century against South Africa in the first match of the series, crashing

down-to-earth, 133-3 out. Chase an improbable amount. They could last

two session, all out for that paltry amount and the major criticism

starts to flow and as you say, Michael Vaughan who is Root's friend

and mentor suggest England lack respect for Test cricket. Root says

he can't believe Vaughan said that and it is very unfair. The series is

level, but still those questions about the battle line up. There may

be changes and another captain in Nasser Hussain says some the

selections have been abysmal. We wait to see if there is any

improvement come the Third Test which starts next Thursday at the

Oval. Can the women save the gay? Yes, in a rematch of England against

South Africa, it is to come in the World Cup semifinal in Bristol and

they will attempt to exact some sort of revenge on the team who beat

England in the men's. South Africa will be the attempting to exact

revenge on the England women's team. These two met in the group stage

earlier on in the tournament. It was won impressively by England, the

same ground in Bristol, by 68 run, they will attempt to do the same.

These two have provided a good deal of runs in the tournament so far,

watch out for the South African bowling attack. They are

particularly good. Their opening fast bowlers. England may be

favourite for the match and they topped the group after six wins in a

row, they will be wary of what South Africa, a greatly improved team will

be able to provide. The winners, will play Australia or India, in the

final and that will be at Lord's. Thank you. More from Hugh throughout

the morning. This morning, fresh calls

for an urgent suspension of vaginal mesh implants in England after this

programme exclusively revealed hundreds of women are living

with chronic pain and complications following the minor procedure

to treat problems often Mesh implants have already been

suspended in Scotland and now campaigners are calling for the same

to happen in England. Back in April we brought

you the news that more than 800 women in the UK are taking legal

action against the NHS and It is used when women

have a prolapse or bladder incontinence, normally brought

on by childbirth, and it's often That's the same material used

to make this kind of drinks bottle. For most women, mesh implants work,

but around one in 11 experience problems when they disintegrate

or erode, leaving some in permanent Over the last five years,

I counted, actually, My husband has turned

into my carer and he is so much We haven't had sex for

four and a half years. Now we have learned more than 800

women are taking legal action against the NHS and manufacturers

over the mesh implants and some want to see them banned

completely on the NHS. I want the procedure banned,

I want the material banned. Do you believe the NHS should

stop using these meshes? I do believe they should

stop using these meshes. Actually, here you should

be saying, "Honestly, we are able to tell you,

here is a device, here is the benefit, here

is the long-term harm." If you can't say that,

you shouldn't make it available. Ethicon, a subsidiary

of Johnson Johnson, one of the largest manufacturers,

says the implants have helped millions of women suffering

from stress urinary incontinence The UK regulatory body, the MHRA,

believes the benefits Dr Mark Slack is a surgeon

who carries out some types I have enormous sympathy

for the patients who A recent review in Scotland said

mesh implants shouldn't be routinely used for pelvic organ

prolapse, but critics called A separate review is under way

in England and Wales. The simple procedure could end up

costing the NHS tens of millions I am doubly incontinent

and I have no control over my bowel or my bladder,

so I will not leave the house Carol, let me ask

you about the impact I have got extensive nerve damage

in my left leg, in my foot, my hip. I am double incontinent,

bowel and bladder. I have got depression, severe,

that I have had to go and see an emergency counsellor,

and I have got fibromyalgia. I never foresaw that having

a 40-minute procedure twice That was back in April -

since then the campaign to suspend We can speak now to Debbie Waine

who has lost her mobility It's the frist time she's

ever spoken publicly Kath Sansom, campaigner

for Sling The Mesh. Labour MP Owen Smith,

who is addressing a meeting of women, their families

and surgeons at parliament later. And, of course, we invited Ethicon -

a subsidiary of Johnson and Johnson who're the largest

manufacturers of mesh to come on this programme -

they said no. Some of what you hear during our

regulatory agency the MHRA. Some of what you hear during our

conversation will be graphic and frank as you would expect with such

a subject. Debbie, thank you for coming on the programme. You're

welcome. You can't walk. You use a mobility scooter? Yeah. You use

crutches. Yeah. You can't work. No. You are in chronic pain? Yes. And

you have recently been diagnosed with PTSD? Yes. As a result of this

small 20 minute procedure? Yes. Yes. Basically before I had the mesh in,

I was quite fit. I was active, walking the dog for hours, playing

squash and badminton with my children. It was a good life. And I

was at university trying to get a degree for photography and I had a

photography studio which I had to give up because of my mobility. I

had the mesh put in in 2013, and I had problems within an hour of

coming up from surgery. In terms of bleeding? I bled out and you can

imagine I'm lying on the bed and the blood is pouring over my legs. So

the doctor had to pack me with gaus or something to stop the bleeding

and that was horrendous. I believe that probably didn't help my

situation and the groin problems because I had TOT, it is connected

to the groin. And it has damaged my nerves. I had a partial removal by

the surgeon that put it in originally and four weeks later it

snapped and I felt it snap. It caused excruciating pain. My GP sent

me to the doctor and a doctor turned around and said, "You're

inContinent, what do you expect?" My legs were going into spasm. I asked

why are my legs going into spasm? They said there is nothing wrong

with you. It's not the tape. The tape is another name for the mesh,

isn't it? I got humiliated when she examined me. When she examined me,

she told me to cough. And my urine just flew across her arm. And she

got the hump. I didn't have anything to wipe myself down. I was treated

really bad. Fortunately, I found out about Miso kneel. The consultant

surgeon who has become practised in removing the mesh from women. Yes.

Can I ask, these are some personal questions. I know you feel OK

answering these to illustrate to our audience the kind of depth of this.

Can you, do you know when to go to the loo now? I have a silly rhyme in

my head. I say two cups of tea, go for a pee. I have to keep constantly

reminding myself because sometimes I forget. I can go eight or nine hours

without going if I forget. So, which is not good. It can cause

infections. I have to self catheterise to prevent infections.

My legs are in spasms. I am on horrendous pain medication. My

ability to concentrate, I have got brain fog all the time. And as a

result, of five operations, and this diagnosis of the PDST, now, you

effectively have ended up losing your home and your husband, is this

correct? Yes. Yes. My husband at the time couldn't look after me and I

was seriously poorly. He couldn't cope. So we separated and that was

it, but before we separated, when I saw the consultant, he recommended

that I try and make love to my husband even though he knew the tape

was coming out of my vagina at the time. So I did everything doctors

told me to do. What was that advice for? I really don't understand why.

Looking back, I should never have done it. We attempted to make love.

One penetration and my husband screamed out in pain. Because the

mesh... Had cut and scratched his penis and it was horrendous pain for

me as well and that was the worst thing ever and it felt so

humiliating and I just felt angry towards that doctor.

What do you think when you hear for example the MHRA, that's the

regulatory agency in this country saying to us, "We continue to see

that the evidence supports the use of these devices in the UK for the

treatment of the distressing conditions of incontentance and

organ prolapse and this is supported by the clinical community and

patients." I just wonder how many people are going to get crippled

before anyone listens to us? What we go through on a daily basis is a

nightmare. How can they say it's still beneficial? Let me bring in

Kath Sam son from Sling The Mesh. They say it is beneficial for most

women because it is? They say the benefits outweigh the risks, but

they don't know how many people are suffering because there is no

national register. 40% of surgeons report to their own database. The

reality is they don't know how many women are suffering. I have said on

this programme before, it is anything from 15%, 30%, 40%, nobody

actually knows. So you can't, I don't understand how they can say

the benefits outweigh the risks without having proper data to back

that up because no one knows how many women are out there like Debbie

on the really bad end of the scale, on perhaps not such a bad end of the

scale, they are perhaps suffering water infections and lost their sex

lives and don't understand why. There is a range of insidious mesh

complications. Owen Smith, you are a politician, what can you do to help

Debbie? Well, the reason you're broadcasting this today is because

we have got a lobby of Parliament and Debbie and 100 other women are

come to go Parliament, that's a meeting I have organised in

conjunction with Kath in order to raise the profile of this issue.

There is clearly a large problem, a greater problem we have anticipated

previously. It is true, that not all women suffer these adverse effects,

but those who do, have really grave effects, many of them, Debbie's

story is graphic and horrible for her, but it's actually not

untypical, I have heard lots and lots of similar stories relayed to

me in the last couple of weeks and if it's 10% of women who are

suffering the adverse events, that's 10% of 100,000 women who have had

the procedure over the last few years, that's surely too many and it

is enough for us to be thinking do we need to get to the bottom of how

many women have been affected and do we need to suspend the use of the

mesh until we have got a clear idea of how grave a problem it is? Well,

it has been suspended in Scotland. Are you saying it's a realistic

possibility that the same could happen for England and Wales and

Northern Ireland? It should be suspended until we have got to the

bottom of it. Northern Ireland has announced it will have an audit in

order to determine how many women have been affected there. There was

a period when this was being marketed really heavily as a simple

quick fix easy to do, you didn't need to be an expert surgeon in

order to implant one of these and it could solve the problem and for some

women, it has worked, but that proportion in whom it hasn't worked

the complications have been life changing and that can't be right. We

all know there are risks with surgery. We do, but I don't think

the risks were explained to the women. It is difficult to take these

things out and it wasn't properly explained. I don't think the

surgeons understood the degree of chronic pain, debilitating life

changing pain that some women can experience. I don't think they

understood how many women can suffer that complications and that's got to

call into question the continued use of it. Johnson Johnson who run

Ethicon. It is a subsidiary of Johnson Johnson, they tell us

calls to remove mesh products are not supported by clinical evidence

and research and would restrict access to important treatment

options for women suffering from certificate serious pelvic

conditions? It was marketed for pelvic organ prolapse. It has been

removed for the market for pelvic organ prolapse. The clin clael

guidelines have changed in respect of that. I think a similar thing is

happening with regard to stress related urinary incontent hans. I

think evidence is starting to show that these complications only emerge

over a decade and it has been a decade for many of the women since

the devices were inserted. Do you have any idea if this issue is on

England's Health Secretary's radar? I have no idea doubt that it's on

his radar unless he has got his head buried in the sand, he is looking at

this. There is an outstanding report coming from NHS England that should

give us some further clinical guidance and a view, they need to

get on with that. Why it hasn't been produced in its entirety over the

last couple of years, I don't know, but I'm anticipating that's going to

come out soon. It was due and there was an election called. Kath, do you

feel you are getting closer to seeing what you want which is a

suspension of the vaginal mesh implants in England and Wales and

Northern Ireland? We have a lobby in Parliament in a strong MP who

believes in our cause as we do. The media are interested. People are

realise that there isn't the evidence to back up that they are

saying it is safe for women. We're get there. We have made good

progress. Thank you all of you. Thank you for coming on the

programme. Thank you Debbie, thank you for talking to us.

An investigation by the Dogs Trust finds puppies illegally transported

into the UK illegally - sedated, and in baskets,

where their only source of air comes from holes poked through a cling

We'll be speaking to the Dogs Trust, to people who bought puppy farmed

dogs without realising and we'll meet Enid the bulldog.

R B singer R Kelly has denied reports that he's holding

We will bring you the full story after 10am.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

A BBC investigation has found that only a small

fraction of the money donated as part of the Grenfell

Tower fire appeal, has so far reached survivors

Almost ?20 million has been raised and 40,000 boxes

But less than ?800,000 has been given out so far.

An estimated 174 tonnes of items - such as clothing - were donated

and are still being sorted by the British Red Cross.

Theresa May has urged Conservative MPs and ministers to end

what she called the "backbiting" that has split the party

At a reception in the Commons last night, the Prime Minister

warned that the choice was her or Jeremy Corbyn

It's a call for unity that she's expected to repeat this morning

Campaigners are calling for an urgent suspension of vaginal

mesh implants in England after this programme revealed that hundreds

of women are living with chronic pain and complications.

The mesh implants are used by surgeons to treat organ prolapse

and urinary incontinence which can be common

Mesh implants have already been suspended in Scotland.

The R singer R Kelly has denied allegations

that he is holding several young women in an "abusive cult".

A BuzzFeed report accuses the singer of brainwashing women,

who got closer to him in an effort to boost their musical careers.

The singer's lawyer said he would work "diligently

and forcibly to pursue his accusers and clear his name".

Life expectancy has been rising for the last century, but now

a leading health expert is raising concerns the increases

Sir Michael Marmot, who has advised both the government

and World Health Organization, points out that the rate of increase

Historically, life expectancy at birth has risen by one year

for every five years for women and one year every 3.5 for men.

Sir Michael says the situation needs to be urgently looked at.

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge - along with Prince George

and Princess Charlotte - are continuing their tour of Poland.

It's part of a five day tour to Eastern Europe.

Last night, Prince William praised Poland's courage,

fortitude and bravery in a speech in Warsaw.

On the agenda today is a trip to the former

Stutthof Concentration Camp in Gdansk.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.00.

Latest inflation figures just out. It fell to 2.6% in June from 2.in

That is according to the Office for National Statistics.

Here's some sport now, with Hugh Ferris.

World Cup final is the prize on offer for England's women. They face

South Africa. After straight six straight win, the match starts in

around an hour's time. They will hope to do better than the men,

beaten by South Africa in the Second Test at Trent Bridge. The defeat led

to suggestions from a former England Captain, the current team don't

respect Test cricket. And three more goals for Great

Britain, the world paraathletic chap CAP champions in London. One

courtesy of Hannah Cockroft. She is one away from a famous golden treble

treble. Britain have 11 in total. Their second in the medals table. We

have more and you have Johanna Konta after 10.00. We do. If you want to

ask her a question send me an e-mail.

Next this morning - claims that underage puppies

are being transported across Europe and into the UK illegally -

sedated, in baskets or boxes, where the only air comes from holes

poked through a cling film lid, and with their umbilical

An investigation by the Dog's Trust, an animal welfare charity,

has gathered undercover footage showing the shocking practices used

by puppy smugglers to sell them to dog-lovers here in the UK.

The Dogs Trust is calling on the government to address the issue.

We can speak to Runa Hanaghan, the Deputy Veterinary Director

for the Dog's Trust, Peter Laurie, the Battersea Dogs

Home Deputy chief executive and Enid, a bulldog puppy brought

to the home as a stray - it's thought she was

Matt Gooding owned West Highland terrier Pippin, for a matter

of weeks before he died, after being bred in a puppy farm.

Hayley Whillier bought puppy Marley which died of injuries

Welcome all of you. How do you react to the footage that the dog trust

have obtained? The footage is really scary when you look at how these

breeders are operating, and how the trade is coming across to the UK. I

think our undercover investigation highlights the whole chain of events

that. Cops through, and certainly I know dog's trust have put together

an animation to convey that to the general public, to make it clear as

to where these puppies are starting from and what is happening on their

journey across to the UK. To be sold to unsuspecting members of the

public here. . It is is important we are able to highlight the issues we

are seeing. What can we do about corrupt vets abroad? By lobbying the

Government through your MP, what we are asking people to do is to add

weight to our argument. So what, say what? Do what? To change how the UK

is managing these animals coming into this country. It has been

shown... We developed quarantine back in 2012, six months quarantine,

that went, has that contributed to this puppy smuggling to you any? It

has. We saw in the first year of that relaxation of the rules, we saw

a huge increase in the number of dogs coming into the UK, about 60%,

from 2014 we had our first investigation, following that in

2015, the Lithuanian Government did change some of the rules for the

vets in Lithuania. But that has highlighted in this report perhaps

how people are getting round the rules again by perhaps not declaring

the puppies and that I are coming n vets are supplying sedatives for the

transporters to give to the puppies before they come over so they don't

have to declare them. There are a lot of loopholes and we are

concerned about that. I am not clear what you want, you want the public

to lobby their MP to do what, what is the top of your list? In order

to... There are so many issues here, where do you start? We want to

tighten the borders we have, tighten the checks that need to come in

through the ports, we have been working with Dover port, we have

been working with them with our puppy pilot, and that has actually

helped manage to check a lot of these puppies and to try and bring

them through our care. Those puppies otherwise would not have been looked

after in the way we do. It is not do with the numbers of border

officials? There is is a lot of things we are looking for, so one of

the top lines is asking that the carriers of these animals, so this

is the boats and Eurostar are not the people responsible for the

check, we are asking for the Government to step in, and to be the

people responsible for those checks. In order to provide weekend and out

of hour checks, because at the moment, we are not seeing those

regularly. Sure and that might be a money issue. Let me bring in Peter

and Matt and Hayley. Tell us about Enid. I can hear her sort of, is

that a happy grumble. I think so. She is fairly comfortable. He is a

different dog to the one who came into Battersea in January this year.

You think from a puppy farm. We are almost certain, she was displaying

horrific injuries are and health conditions, Like what? Her hips are

badly deformed. She can't walk or sit properly. She has a heart

condition and her skin was more like a reptile and that a dog. It was

scaly and inflamed. Our staff worked wonders and we found her a wonderful

home with one of my colleagues. Charities like Battersea, we are

able to help as many as we can, not every dog has that second chance.

Sure. What is happening on a puppy farm then, a poorly run puppy farm

which meant she has so many complications? Breeders are putting

profit before animal welfare and flooding the market with badly bred

puppies. What does that mean? It means in many cases inbreeding so

you might have a father bred with a daughter, and that is just

exaggerating genetic conditions that are causing terrible health problem,

but also, terrible welfare condition, the state of some of the

farms is too shocking to believe really and the dogs that are coming

out of there have a tough life ahead and the worst possible start. So it

is the scale of the operation and it's a fact that unsuspecting

members of the British public are being drawn towards designer breeds,

the bulldogs and pulling pugs and so on and the dogs are generating

terrible problems later. You would look at Enid and wouldn't have a

clue. Let me bring in Matt and Hayley. Matt, tell us about when you

bought Pippen. What happens to him? Well, we went to a farm, run by what

seemed to be lovely people, there was the mother there, the Bishop

there, with -- bitch with three other brothers and sister, it looked

like a proper breeder's house. But there was certain things resting on

the back of my mind. I have seen on BBC, Watchdog, about puppy farms

then and the in the back of my mind I kept thinking puppy farm, but, I

don't know, I was trying to knock things back, I was trying to look

past that, not trying to be too focussed on puppy farm, asking lots

of questions, even bent down and went to the bitch's the mother's

belly, thinking is that dog or a bitch. You heard stories about how

people, pups take dogs in with the pups to make it look like a little

family. Everything seemed OK. Two days later he got diagnosed with a

heart condition and three weeks later she passed away unfortunately.

And do, can I... In and out of vets all the time. Numerous thing,

diarrhoea, blood in her excrement. Coughing. Seemed like kennel cough,

lots of issue, not the thing you should happen with a puppy, with a

new life with family, it should be joyous, enjoyable times. Not going

back-and-forth to the vet. Do you mind me asking how much you paid for

Pippen. ?450. Hayley tell us what happened with Marley. We dent down,

we saw an advert for Marley on gum tree. Went down to visit the puppy,

she was the only one left, we were told she was 11 weeks, then we were

told she was 13 weeks when we got her. Obviously we were looking for a

younger puppy. She was in a pen by herself, which was, you know, sort

of rung alarm bells but she was so cute, and, all these things like,

all these niggling feelings go out of your mind when you see this

puppy, you get this feeling you are rescuing them. You know, I am going

to pause you, both you and Matt had doubts. You both expressed those

this morning, and, and still went ahead, I mean clearly that, you

know, that is a regret. Think a lot of the time these people prey on

that particular thing, like, they see that you love that puppy, as

soon as you see it. If that makes sense. I have a couple of comments

from people listening to the conversation round the country.

Ahead, I mean clearly that, you know, that is a regret. Think a lot

of the time these people prey on that particular thing, like, they

see that you love that puppy, as soon as you see it. If that makes

sense. I have a couple of comments from people listening to the

conversation round the country. Richie says "Dog lovers don't buy

dogs like this." People who want a dog to flatter their vanity and want

a dog as a fashion statement buy dogs like this. This. Jerome says

the dog Bayers are not dog lovers if they don't take the time to ensure

where the dog has come from. What do you say to that Hayley? I think in

this circumstances we got caught out. We made a big mistake. But, at

the time, it wasn't something that you thought of, obviously it's a big

thing now, you know you know. I don't think that necessarily it

depend on breed, or what type of dog it is. What would you say Matt? We

didn't want a fashion statement. We wanted a healthy puppy to join our

family. As far as I was concerned we did everything we could. We went on

the RSPC website, to ask the right sort of question, to look at the

environment, and, in the back of my mind I was concerned it was a puppy

farm, but, was that just a, a thought that was lingering that was

lingering from the TV shows? I didn't want to put a downer, I

wanted a happy puppy and healthy puppy. Of course you did.

Are there well run puppy farms? I have not found a well run puppy farm

yet I will be honest. My advice to anyone wanting to acquire a dog is

to source it from a reputable organisation. If you are determined

to get a puppy from a breeder, do your research. Check the paperwork.

Meet the puppy with its mother. See the puppy interact with its mother.

Do everything you can to ensure the puppy you're buying has been

responsibly bred and reared. Sorr they are too clever now. Sorry to

interrupt. Go ahead. They are getting clever. You scom on the TV

like this, you give everybody the advice, but these alleged breeders

are thinking right, how can we cover our tracks now? We will do that like

they did to me amy family. They made the environment look like everything

was a happy breeding home environment. Everything was perfect.

Answering the right sort of questions. One or two little falls,

but just putting that to the back of your mind thinking, I'm looking too

much at that WAG show the other week. What would you say to Matt? I

have a lot of sympathy for Matt and lots of people have been caught out.

The farmers and the dealers are trying all sorts of tricks to fool

buyers. It is a competitive market and a lot of it is being conducted

online. Take great care and the best place for a dog is a rescue. That's

the best source for it. Thank you very much for coming on the

programme. Enid was so well-behaved. Thank you very much.

Fresh from her stunning Wimbledon performance,

Johanna Konta will be taking your questions.

Get in touch using the hashtag VictoriaLIVE.

There are calls this morning for children on the poverty line

to be offered free meals outside of term-time.

As summer holidays begin across the UK MPs are warning that

as many as three million children could go hungry this summer.

Some local councils in deprived areas of Scotland and Wales provide

free meals for children outside of school terms and there

are calls for this to be rolled out nationally.

In Thanet in Kent, the charity End Child Poverty, claim 34%

of children live below the poverty line.

There, we met mum of four Kerry, who didn't want

She's worried about how she'll cope during the holidays.

Wow, you lot have really caned this cheese.

For lunch, it would be, again, something basic.

Some cucumber for a bit of nourishment.

So, you've got your crisps and you've got...

We need to get some fruit in, the cheapest fruit,

I'm also going through a separation which means a new claim

My housing benefit has been stopped, so I am going to hugely

At the moment, how much do I have to spend?

I look at it and I think I actually don't have anything, but...

Yeah, my shopping bill has got down to about ?30 a week.

For five of us - four children and myself.

That is going to actually double the balance of what I need

At least ?50 a shop, I'm going to need.

We're in one of the most deprived areas in the UK.

The huge problem we have got around here is the lack of employment.

Up to half of the children in this area are living in poverty.

How are families around here going to cope over the summer?

I think it's going to be something that comes up

It's all happening the same week as we've got universal

credits being brought in, being enroled into the Thanet area

That is going to be another huge shock.

If somebody, a family, needs to make a fresh claim

during the summer holidays, they are going to be

So, do you think children around here are going to go

I think a lot of people wouldn't want to admit they can't

It will be the working poor that suffer too.

But it is just so hard and so gut wrenching and stressful,

extra worries put on top of extra worries, and this is

There's so little support for so many.

With these guys, they don't obviously see the...

I don't want them to see the panic of how desperate

It's not as some politicians will say, to buy a new widescreen TV.

We're not saving pennies for anything like that.

We are saving to buy butter, milk and bread,

and it is literally as tight as that.

Let's talk to Frank Field a Labour MP who chairs the All Party

He wants councils to be made responsible for free

Erica Martin, who has two children, an 11-year-old boy

She lives with her partner who is a carer.

She receives income support and tax credits and reckons after housing

costs she has about ?140 a week to live on for her family of four.

Welcome both of you. Erika, I know you get free school meals during

term time. What happens during the holidays? Well, during the holidays,

there is an organisation called the St James Centre who offer free meal

to say anybody. They offer breakfast and lunch. It takes the strain off

most people. And that is for anybody whether they are working or not

working. So it's really helpful. And if that wasn't there, if the St

James' centre wasn't there, what would you do in the holidays? Just

try and spread the meals out and work out what, how we can sort of

eat the best way, but it's the same for anybody I think. There is a lot

of struggles in the suller holidays with days out Arthings like that so

you need to work it out the best you can. Let me bring in Frank Field

then. A report from a group of MPs this year talked about three million

children being hungry during the summer holidays. Some people won't

believe it. They will say look, we live in the fifth richest economy in

the world. This is Britain. This is 2017, come on, you can always feed

your kids. What do you say to those people? They should be sceptical and

push MPs when they produce figures like that. We have had the long-term

changes occurring, the bottom of the labour market has fallen out. All

the welfare cuts have been on families, pensioners have been

protected and pensioners have never been before off as a group than they

are now and we heard about the St James' Centre in Birkenhead, during

the school holidays, voluntary bodies feed 2,000 children and over

the last year, thanks to largely supplies from His Church we have

provided 200,000 breakfasts for children. So, it is a topsy-turvy

world. You would have thought fifth or sixth richest country in the

world, and yet, some children go to bed hungry and get up hungry and

take the hunger to school. We are trying to make sure during the term

time that children are well fed, but saying to the Government you have a

duty now to require local authorities to co-ordinate what

we're trying to do in Birkenhead and Feeding Britain is doing this

elsewhere in the country. Local authorities... They haven't got any

money. Their budgets are stretched. They decide their priorities. You

would organise this is a priority. It would be ring-fenced so they

couldn't go and spend it on something else. Feeding children

during the school holidays when we know that numbers going to foodbanks

goes up. One little girl last summer came to one of our projects and

because we always provide fun with the meals, because middle-class kids

thank god get fun during the holidays, why shouldn't the poorest

children get that, she said I am so hungry, might I come in, I don't

mind not having the fun, but may I have the food please? How do you

react to that? Well, it is gut wrenching and redoubling the

efforts, not only in Birkenhead, but making sure that we can get that

service rolled out over the whole country. Not again for the local

authorities to provide, but they have a duty to make sure like we've

done throughout feeding Britain projects that we combine voluntary

bodies who have been terrific in Birkenhead, are given the resources

to make sure that every child, even though we provide 2,000 meals during

the school holidays, there was that little girl turning up, she hent

been covered saying, "Can I come in, I'm hungry?" You will have heard

some say it is because parents can't budget properly? There are clearly

parents who couldn't give a toss and it is ludicrous to deny and you

wonder why the hell they have got children and then there are others

who are at their wits end trying to do their best by their children. Who

are driven almost mad by the difficulties of budgeting

particularly when the Government takes money off by sanction.

Particularly we are now at the almost at the end of this of we hope

a period of welfare cuts for families. As I say pensioners had a

good deal, but those with children have seen their real living

standards cut and we have got all the evidence one would wish to see

before particularly from teachers in schools who have been providing in

Birkenhead breakfasts out of their own money now actually signing up

for the actual supplies, bodies like His Church provide so they can

provide breakfasts free. We are after getting the Government to do

its duty. A viewer on fwirt says, "The true

legacy of the crash caused by bankers is three million kids in

poverty. They are the victims. ." Jackie on Twitter, "We are saving

for butter, bread and milk. This Government is heartless and I'm

utterly, utterly ashamed of it." A spokesperson for the Department

for Work and Pensions told us: "There are record numbers

of people in work, and we've ?90 billion is spent supporting

people who are out of work, disabled or a carer,

bringing up a family Frank Field thank you very much and

Erika Martin, thank you. Thank you for your comments on puppy

farm and where you buy puppies from and on the campaign to get mesh

implants suspended in England and Wales and Northern Ireland.

That reaches the Westminster Parliament today. Already been

suspended in Scotland as you will know if you have been watching our

programme over the last few months. Marie on e-mail says, "I have had

two mesh operations on my bladder and now I'm concerned about what I

need to do, what is the alternative?" Alison says, "Why does

the NHS not look at best practise elsewhere? Is it about cost saving?

I Monday wonder how ed operations would be avoided by the French

policy of routine physiotherapy for new mums?" And Hilary has e-mailed,

"18 years ago, I had two pregnancy which left me with a few incouldn't

tentance problems. Thank god I was offered intensive physio. The

exercises which I do have almost eliminated my problems and having

seen your previous coverage on the subject, I have cancelled both of my

corrective ops after a lot of sole searching. It didn't seem worth the

risks. " On puppy farms and the illegal breeding and transporting of

puppies from Eastern Europe, Donna texts this, "I have e-mailed my MP

whilst watching your programme. It breaks my heart. This is too cruel.

Thank you for highlighting this and telling us how to help end the cruel

poupy farms." Thank you for those. We will bring you the latest news

and sport in a moment. Before that, the weather. Good morning. Yesterday

temperatures got up to 27 Celsius in the south. Today we could see the

temperature reaching about 30 Celsius.

This morning, it started off cloudy. Some hazy sunshine out there. This

was the scene in Warwickshire a short time ago, but there is

sunshine particularly across the far south of England and across Scotland

and Northern Ireland. Some blue skies here as well. Another warm and

sunny day, but later ob, the risk of some storms. These storms are just

developing now actually across the Bay of Biscay and Britney. You

notice the oranges developing. Temperatures getting up to about 20,

21 Celsius in the southment for the rest of this morning, the cloud we

have got in central areas will thin or break up to give sunny spells,

but by far the west best of the sunshine is across Scotland and

Northern Ireland. Here with the blue skies, temperatures getting up to 25

or 26 Celsius in Western Scotland and Northern Ireland.

A bit fresher along the North Sea coasts. The heat really building

across the south. We could see temperatures up to 29 and 30

Celsius. But by this stage, we will start to see showers moving in

across the south-west. Those turning increasingly thundery as we go

through this evening and tonight. wanted a happy puppy and healthy

puppy. Of course you did. There you catch a shower there will

be strong winds, torrential rain as the thund thunderstorms move their

way northwards. Overnight temperatures no lower than to 18 C.

On Wednesday, the thunderstorms still a feature of the weather. This

time in northern area, gradually moving further into Scotland, and

the meantime, more rain spreads into Northern Ireland, gradually moving

eastwards, elsewhere, one or two showers round but still hot across

the south-east, temperatures 30, 31, maybe 32, but just turning that bit

fresher in northern and western area, 18-20 degrees here, as we go

into Thursday, we have this cold front, which is moving east ward,

behind it, fresher air, and that is fresher air will filter in across

all parts during Thursday. Early morning rain clearing away, more

rain spreading into the west but look at the temperatures, 16-22

degree f you don't like the heat, Thursday certainly turning fresher,

fresher still on Friday but the risk of heavy rain in northern around

western areas that will move south and east ward: Bye.

Hello, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

A BBC investigation has found that only a small fraction

of the money donated as part of the Grenfell Tower fire appeal

has so far reached survivors or relatives of the dead.

Also on the programme - campaigners calling for the urgent

suspension of vaginal mesh implants in England are taking their case

One women tells this programme the devastating impact her implant

I am on horrendous pain medication, my ability to concentrate, I have

brain fog all the time. We'll also be speaking

to a gynaecologist who has been warning about the dangers

of the implant since the 1990s. Also this: R Kelly has denied

reports he is holding women in an abusive cult. We will bring you the

full story, in the next half hour. We will bring you the full story,

in the next half hour. Johanna Konta, the women's number

four player in the world will be It's been 39 years since a British

woman can say I'm a Wimbledon semifinalist. She did a bit more

than that. You know what she did. If you want to ask her a question -

do get in touch - and we'll Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom,

with a summary of todays news. A BBC investigation has

found that only a small fraction of the money donated

as part of the Grenfell Tower fire appeal, has

so far reached survivors Almost ?20 million has been

raised and 40,000 boxes But less than ?800,000 has

been given out so far. An estimated 174 tonnes of items -

such as clothing - were donated and are still being sorted

by the British Red Cross. Consumer price inflation at which

the rate of prices and goods rise or fall stood at 2.6% in June, down

from 2.in May it follows falls in global oil prices.

Campaigners are calling for an urgent suspension of vaginal

mesh implants in England after this programme revealed that hundreds

of women are living with chronic pain and complications.

The mesh implants are used by surgeons to treat organ prolapse

and urinary incontinence which can be common

Campaigners are calling for further research into the scale of the

problem. The reality is they don't know how

many women are suffering, I have said before, I have seen reports

that say it is anything from is a %, 30%, 40%, you, nobody knows, so, you

can't, I don't understand how they can say the Ben fights outweigh the

risk without having proper data to back it up.

At reception in the commons, the Prime Minister warned that the

choice was her or Jeremy Corbyn, in Downing Street. It is a call for

unity that she is expected to repeat this morning when she meets the

cabinet. There should be stronger regulation

of advertisements which show men failing at simple household tasks

and women left to clean up - according to the body that oversees

advertising in the UK. The Advertising Standards Authority

has been reviewing its approach to ads that feature

stereotypical gender roles. It concluded that such ads had

"costs for individuals, As a result, it says it

will draw up new rules. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30. Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. Here's some sport now

with Hugh Ferris. England's women can reach

their second final in three attempts They take on South Africa

in the semi final in Bristol The winner will take on either

Australia or India in the final England have won their last six

games in the tournament, and finished first of the four

semi-finalists in the group stage. Obviously there be added nerves, we

wouldn't be human if that wasn't the case. We trust in our skills and we

are confident we can put in a strong performance and those big games you

England's men have been criticised for showing a lack of respect

for test cricket after losing heavily to South

The suggestion came from former England captain Michael Vaughan...

The suggestion came from former England captain Michael Vaughan,

who is a good friend of new captain Joe Root...

Who was one of the batsmen who failed to make an impact

in England's second innings score of 133 all out.

there could still be changes for the Third Test

There has opinion a contrast in motions, but I think we obviously

need to look at certain areas but we don't want to dwell on them. We need

to stay tight as a squad and make sure when we turn up we that we are

ready to go, and make sure we go 2-1 up in the series.

and make sure we go 2-1 up in the series.

Romelu Lukaku has scored his first goal in a Manchester United shirt

in their friendly against Real Salt Lake.

It was the ?5 million signing's first start

And he helped United come from behind to win 2-1 in Utah.

And Juan Mata forced off with an ankle injury.

And that is all we have for the moment. Headlines just after half

Headlines just after half ten Good morning.

R singer R Kelly has denied allegations that he is holding

several young women in an "abusive cult".

# I believe I can fly # I believe I can touch the sky

# I think about it every night and day

# Spread my wings and fly away. # A BuzzFeed report accuses the singer

of brainwashing women, who got closer to him in an effort

to boost their musical careers. .The 50 year old has faced previous

accusations of sexual misconduct, His lawyer says on these latest

allegations, he'll work "diligently and forcibly to pursue his accusers

and clear his name". We should be clear that as adults,

these woman are free to consent to any form of relationship and that

police welfare checks in Illinois and Georgia did not lead

to any action being taken. The families of one of the women has

called for her to come home. Release these girls. And put them

back where they belong. My daughter was off in college at the time, and

she was, I haven't seen her since. I have pictures of where the house

was, inside this house where he resided, where rooms set up for like

a hotel for the girls, to stay in and he also had a black room, where

he had, where they do different sexual acts in and he had the

separate room, three separate rooms, which they had all like set up. My

daughter is severely brainwashed, to the point where she says anything he

asks her to say, she is not the same Jocelyn that we knew, so we just

want him to release her and let her go and get on with her life. She has

taken too many young girls over the years and I just want her home and

to try to get her rehabilitated to the Jocelyn we know and miss.

In an interview with the entertainment website TMZ,

their daughter Jocelyn Savage denied that she was being held hostage.

I'm 21, I am about to be 22 in five days and I mainly want to say that I

am in a happy place with my life, and I'm not being brainwashed or

anything like that, you know, it came to a point where it has got out

of hand, so you know, I just want everybody to know my parents and

everybody in the world, that I am totally fine, I'm happy where I'm at

and everything is OK with me. You are not being held against your will

or doing anything you do not want to do? Oh, no. Not at all. Never been

held hostage or anything of that nature. Why is your family coming

forward and have asked for a welfare check, why do you think now? I

personally, I don't really know what's going on with that, so I

wouldn't want to answer that, at this moment. The last time I spoke

to my parents may have been about on and off about five, six months, I

haven't spoken to them. They have been causing problems in my life,

saying I have been held against my will, stuff like that, I am very

heartbroken, of what is going on with this situation, it is getting

to a point where it is getting too much out of hand, you know, me

having to deal with this and being 22, is just, you know it is not

right, so I haven't spoken to them mainly in about five or six months

really. On and off. I mean they will text me from time to time, but, I

haven't really wanted to speak to them because of what they're doing.

Are you in Georgia or where are you? I'm not, no, I'm not. I wouldn't

want to speak on that. Are you with or roommates, are you free to go

from where you are? No. I won't speak on that as well.

Wow. The story was broken by BuzzFeed.

Sam Wolfson has been following the story.

He is the Executive Editor of Vice UK.

Let us start with the accusations against R Kelly, because there are

many of them and they are detailed and they come from three women who

have left him. Yes. I mean the story is very well reported, like you say

there are lots of sources and they all seem to talk about a similar

pattern of behaviour, that I say that these women, R Kelly would

offer them moussical opportunities and they would move into homes

either his or in the area, and almost immediately they would have

to dress in the same way, he wanted them to wear sweat pants so other

men wouldn't look at them. They had to ask for permission to go to

bathroom or leave the room. They were reporting he would physically

attack them if they spoke to other men or he thought they were looking

at another man. And it is quite a, I mean people are using the world cult

and it does seem like that, that he had a kind of big group of women who

were all under these very strict worrying rules, and then the

probably the most shocking bit is he video tapes sex with all of them,

and the reports claim he shared those videos with his friends. We

know he said he has done nothing wrong an his lawyer said he will

pursue the accuser, these in particular these three women. Tell

us a bit about his past, because it is controversial. Yes, I mean, R

Kelly, he is a huge R B star, you know, both kind of the club track

playing behind us but he does a lot of emotional church music, I Believe

I Can Fly one of his biggest hits. Throughout his career he has been

dogged by controversy, most famously he was alleged to have married Alia

when she was 14. And there has been not one or two, but dozens of other

claims against him, many of which there have been settled out of

court, many of which involve accusations of sex with under age

women, there was one major case for which he was acquitted, but even in

that case, there was a piece of video evidence which is part of

public record and showed him urinating in the mouth of a woman

who was under age at the time, and so, you know, throughout his career

there have been this kind of long, he has denied all accusations, he

has fought cases very strongly as he plans to do with this case. We heard

from Jocelyn there, who said it is fine, I am fine, I can do what I

want. It got bizarre when asked where she was and in which home, she

didn't want to go into that detail. You hear her parents saying the

complete opposite. For a parent watching that video, I

don't know how much comfort that would bring. But it is true the

women are all adult women and they can make the decisions but I guess

what the police need to do in that circumstance is find out if that's

actually what st going on if there is undue duress there. It is hard

watching that video and seeing it so closely cut so that you would have

no idea where she was and things like that. It doesn't seem like an

open situation, but these women are saying, all the women who are

currently involved with R Kelly saying they are happy and it is a

consensual relationship and so on. Is there an end in sight for sexist

ads that stereotype men and women? The advertising regulator is calling

for them to be banned. We'll be discussing that

just after 10.45am. Let's return to our story this

morning about fresh calls for an urgent suspension of vaginal

mesh implants in England, Wales and Northern Ireland

after this programme exclusively revealed hundreds of women

are living with chronic pain and complications,

following a minor procedure to treat Mesh implants have already been

suspended in Scotland and now campaigners are calling for the same

to happen in England. He is a retired obstetrician

and uro-gynaecologist. He warned about what he sees

are the dangers of mesh implant Simon Jackson is a consultant

uro-gynaecologist at the John He thinks the mesh has

an unfair reputation and it's Good morning both of you. Thank you

very much for coming on the programme. John Osborne, you say,

effectively, you pretty much predicted the problems with mesh as

far back as the 90s, but no one listened to you. In the 60s a

previous mesh operations carried out in Oxford and when I was doing

research in the 70s I come across those papers. I also at that time,

the urologist this is up to ten years after the mesh was put in,

were having to take out the meshes they were putting in in the 60s and

the operation to take it out is very difficult. It requires a

reconstructive surgeon to do it. I spoke to the surgeon last night and

he has distinct memories of it. So what were the problems back then?

The same as the problems they are having with the mesh. The mesh

becomes incorporated into the tissues. It may erode into the you

ary that and cause pain. The same thing is happening now. Let me bring

in Simon jacks son. Talk to Mr Osborne because you think this

operation, this procedure, we should continue with it? Yes. The problem

with prolapse and incontinence is that the ligaments are weak. And if

we don't do something to strengthen the ligaments the outcomes from

surgery are very poor. And mesh is something that can help us with

these problems. Undoubtedly there could be problems. But there could

be benefits and we need to weigh up the risks and the benefits with

these operations. I think the problem is that the risks and

benefits are not really properly publicised. The reporting of the

complications has not been adequate I don't think and part of the

problem is that the surgeons that put in the mesh are not the ones

that have to take it out because the skills required to take it out are

different to the skills to put it in and there are very few people who

have have that skill to operate around the bladder neck without

leaving the patient totally incontinent. Do you accept that?

Well, we do go into the details and some people haven't and some women

haven't been adequately counselled. The mesh we have got most experience

with is called the TVTT has been used for urinary stress

incontinence. It was introduced in 1996. I have got 17 years experience

with that mesh and we have seen some problems, but we haven't seen

problems in the majority of our pabts. 17 year data has been

published for that operation and it is still being used which is very

good for an operation if you think technology moves on quickly in

medicine just like in other areas and for an operation to still be

probably the gold standard 20 years down the line is pretty I will

pressive. Yes, I mean how do you respond to that John Osborne. I

don't think it is a gold standard. The fact is it has been overused.

Some of the people putting it in, not Simon because especialised in

it, it has been put in by general gynaecologists and people who have

had the operation when they don't need a operation when they would be

better off having physiotherapy. Jane contacted us this morning after

watching our konch. She had the mesh prays in 2009 and Simon Jackson who

is with us today was her surgeon and he has agreed to talk to her this

morning. Jane, can you hear me OK? Yes, I can hear you. So tell us what

has happened since you had the mesh implant? I had the mesh down in 2009

following extensive stress incontinence. Within months, it had

eroded or fallen through into my va inthat. It was like the bristle of a

scrubbing brush which cut me and made me bleed. It caused repeated

infections. I went back to the hospital, had it trimmed back and

stitched over. It subsequently eroded again. I required another

operation to trim and stitch it over. It worked for a while. But it

is now eroded jet again. I visited my GP a couple of weeks ago and she

did an internal inspection and said yes, indeed, it was through. I

questioned her at that point and said if it was you, can I ask you

honestly would you have this done to yourself? And she said no way. Can I

ask you Jane, were you told about the potential complications, the

risks? No. Mr Jackson? I'm sorry Jane that you have had these

problems. And I can't comment specifically on your case because I

don't actually know your name and I haven't seen your case notes. But...

Sorry to interrupt, do you believe Jane when she says she was not

warned by you about the potential risks? In 2009, I think we knew

there were risks. The risks with mesh implants have become apparent

over the years. The TVT sling which we put in and we still do put these

into women after appropriate counselling has a risk of erosion

and we would tell our patients about that. Let me ask Jane. What was said

to Jane, I don't know. Were you told about the risks of erosion?

Definitely not. It has rubbed my sex life. I can't run. I can't play

tennis. I can't ride a horse. It has affected my income. I have been

given the advice that I should carry on taking HRT patches. I'm nearly

60. And that I will have to take oestrogen cream internally for the

rest of my life. La do you want to say to moo pelvic organ prolapse

Jackson? He needs to talk directly to women such as myself who have

experienced these problems and go on experiencing them. It is not just

women, it is also men. I know that's not his area. But it affects men too

with hernias. It is life changing. It causes me daily problems. It is a

horrendous treatment and I think you have to look at the fact that we

worry about putting plastic into oceans and yet we are putting

plastic into how old beings. It can't possibly be right. Simon

Jackson will you meet Jane? Jane, you have had terrible problems by

the sounds of things and we see problems with our own patients and

we also see problems from around the UK. We are a mesh centre. With deal

with the complications as John as burn was talking about earlier,

dealing with some of these complications can be tricky, but for

every patient like you, there are many others who have had a very good

outcome and I think we need to balance that up and patients do need

information and they need to be aware of current guidelines. They

need to know what the risks and the potential benefits are for both mesh

and non mesh surgery and they make an informed decision.

OK. Thank you very much Mr Jackson, thank you for talking to Jane. We

appreciate that. Simon Jackson is a consultant euro gynaecologist at the

John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford. If you have an experience, be it

positive or negative in terms of the mesh implants, then do let me know.

Send me an e-mail. Tomorrow we will be live in North

Kensington talking to survivors of Grenfell Tower and hearing their

frustrations five weeks after the fire which killed at least 80

people. The rate of inflation slowed

unexpectedly last month, Consumer price inflation -

the rate at which the prices of goods and services bought

by households rise or fall - stood at 2.6% in June,

down from 2.9% in May. Let's talk to Ben Bland. Explain

what inflation is. It is the Consumer Prices Index. It is a

shopping basket of goods and services that we spend our money on.

They compare the difference in prices from this time last year to

now and as you say what we have seen is prices are still going up, but

not as quickly as they did in May. So, the figure that we have got is

2.6% for June compared with the previous June. In May it was 2.9%.

It was a four year high in May. So it eased off. Prices are going up.

The reason inflation has been going up recently in the last year is

after the Brexit vote, the pound weakened, that makes imports more

expensive. So that pushes up prices that you and I pay in the shops. Do

we have the average earnings figures out today? The latest average

earnings figures we have show that average earnings are increasing by

2%. When you couple that with That with the inflation figure, if prices

are going up 2.6% and prices are outstripping our wages. So we are

seeing a squeeze on the cost of living. The other thing that's

significant about the inflation figures is because it affects the

Bank of England's decision on interest rates. They saw them close,

move closer towards perhaps raising interest rates last month. Because

of this slowdown in inflation we are less likely to see a rate rise when

they meet in August to give their next decision. That will be good

news for borrowers because when interest rates go up our mortgages

get more expensive. A treasury spokesman said, "We appreciate that

some families are concerned about the cost of living which is why we

have introduced the national Living Wage and why we have cut taxes for

millions of people to help them keep more of what they earn. We are

increasing our free childcare offer to help 400,000 working parents."

What is interesting is when you break it down and you look at what

caused inflation to slow down, the biggest factor has been a fall in

the price of fuel. That dropped from May to June. The cost of games, toys

and hobby spending, to a lesser extent, but it fell as well. Cost of

fuel, furniture and household goods went the other way. Thank you very

much, Ben. Johanna Konta, whose incredible

performance last week made her first British woman to reach a Wimbledon

semi-final since Virginia Wade in 1978, is going to be live with us

in the next few minutes, So if you've got something you're

dying to find out, get in touch. And will we finally see an end

to sexist ads that portray That's an ad from years ago, but

they are still being made now. The advertising regulator is looking

at introducing new rules. With the news, here's Joanna

in the BBC Newsroom. A BBC investigation has found that

only a small fraction of the money donated as part

of the Grenfell Tower fire appeal has so far reached survivors

or relatives of the dead. Around ?20 million has been

donated by individuals and But less than ?800,000 has

been given out so far. An estimated 174 tonnes of items -

such as clothing - were donated and are still being sorted

by the British Red Cross. The rate of inflation has

slowed down unexpectedly. Prices rose by 2.6%

in the year to June - The Office for National Statistics

said there had been falls in global oil prices and the cost

of computer games. Campaigners are calling for a

suspension of vaginal mesh implants after this programme revealed

hundreds of women are living with conening pain and complications. The

mesh implants are used by surgeons to treat incontinence. Mesh implants

have been suspended many Scotland. R Kelly has denied allegations that

he is holding several young women in an abusive cult. A BuzzFeed record

accuses him of brainwashing women who got Klosser to him in an effort

to boost their careers. He said he would works forfully to clear his

name. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge -

along with Prince George and Princess Charlotte -

are continuing their tour of Poland. It's part of a five day

tour to Eastern Europe. Last night, Prince William

praised Poland's courage, fortitude and bravery

in a speech in Warsaw. On the agenda today

is a trip to the former Stutthof Concentration Camp

in Gdansk. That's a summary of the latest news,

join me for BBC Newsroom Here's some sport now

with Hugh Ferris. England's women have just

begun their Cricket World Cup semi final against South Africa,

who won the toss and are These two met during the group

stage, a match which England won, one of six in a row that have got

them to the last four. Keep up to date with that

on BBC Radio 5 Live Sports Extra. Romelu Lukaku has scored his first

goal in Manchester United shirt since joining from Everton

for ?75 million. United beat Real Salt lake 2-1

in a friendly in Utah. And Johanna Konta has told the BBC

she's working towards becoming She's up to fourth in the rankings

after reaching the semi-finals at Wimbledon where she lost to Venus

Williams. Victoria will be talking to Johanna

in just a moment in the programme, Closer to him in an effort to boost

their careers. He said he would forcefully to clear his name.

Thank you for your comments about mesh implant. Jackie say I am

concerned. I have been put on the waiting list and imam considering if

I should have the operation. Lesley says I had problems straightaway.

Infections one after another and discomfort after going to three

different hospitals over seven years, of horrendous pain, it was

found the mesh had roareded through my urethra. I underwent surgery.

Within two months I had a further erosion leaving me incontinent. I

have been told it would be too dangerous to remove all the mesh. I

have suffered 17-and-a-half years of chronic pain and infection, it has

destroyed my 36 year marriage, the mesh is totally debilitated.

Wes says too much trust is placed on the expert. Marlene on text say I am

due a hernia op using mesh, are the risk the same. Bony says I was on

your programme, I waned to come to London to go Parliament, today but

since April my pain has increased and I am now on double the

medication. Thank you very much for those. We

will feed those through to the sling the mesh campaign who are meeting at

Westminster today. The campaign finally reaches Westminster.

Eight years ago she was ranked 469th in the world -

today she's the fourth best female tennis player in the world.

Johanna Konta made history at Wimbledon by becoming the first

British woman to reach the semi-final in almost 40 years.

# I am free to be the greatest, I'm alive

# I am free to be the greatest here tonight

There's dormitories behind there and I used to sleep...

I actually physically lived pretty much on the tennis court.

It has been a dream of mine since I was a young girl and that

continues to be my dream and I think will always be, as long

I need to keep focusing on my work because I know that

# I'm free to be the greatest, I'm alive

# I'm free to be the greatest here tonight

# The greatest, the greatest, the greatest

She is not quite ready so we will talk to her has soon as she is

ready. We will talk about schools in the meantime.

Next this morning - some schools in England have told

this programme they're heading towards the "last resort"

That comes despite a potential funding boost from the Department

for Education who promised an extra ?1.3 billion per year in school

budgets, alongside a shake-up of how funding is allocated.

But the cash will be taken from elsewhere

in the education budget, such as building free schools -

rather than extra money from elsewhere in the government.

Education Secretary Justine Greening says she recognised there had been

public concern over school funding during the general election.

But Labour describe it as "not a penny of new money -

their education spokesperson Angela Rayner is here.

As is Jo Wincott, headteacher at Sandon Secondary School in Essex

which is reducing teaching hours next year.

Malcolm Trobe, who is the Deputy General Secretary of one

of the big teaching unions - the Association of School

We did ask someone from the Department for Education to join us

and we asked for a number of Conservative MPs and they all said

no. In a moment we will speak to Nick cap stick, the CEO of the White

Horse Federation Trust he is sportty of the Government, broadly. I want

to start with Jo. If I may. Good morning to you.

Yes, I can't hear you, hopefully we will turn your microphone up. I know

you are talking to us. You are developing an hour a week's worth of

teaching, in fact you can't hear me, so I am going to come back to you.

Apparently he can hear, Joe, can you hear me OK? I can. Thank you very

much. I apologise for our technical problem, you are still intending

dropping an hour a week's worth of teaching pupils next term, why?

Basically we have had a cut in budget, of about ?250,000 since

2011. We have tried to tighten our belt in every way.

PROBLEM WITH SOUND . I am going to pause, something is

not right. I do apologise, we do need to hear from you. I am going to

bring Angela Rainer Shadow Education Secretary. There will be an increase

per pupil according to Justine Greening to 44800 pounds. You must

welcome that. -- 4800. Think what Joe was trying to say the 2.8

billion that has been taken from the school budget, so this 1.3 billion

is for next year, so even from this September, those schools are still

facing the cuts that from in training, that is why the head

teachers and pupils and parents have been talking about this over the

last couple of months because they are feeling the pinch. It is

unfortunate that schools are having to make these Riley significant

choice, which has never happened before since we have had a state

education system fwlsm you welcome the money but it is too late because

it is not coming on stream to 2018. Any money going into schools is

really important but this is money that has been taken from somewhere

else, so there is a question mark about what is going to happen in the

other department, they are saying they can find efficiency, but we are

not seeing... 600 million is a significant amount. Where is that

coming, from the free school, we know that class sizes are increasing

and we don't have the school places, so the whole system is in chaos, we

have been warning the Government for some time about this, the teachers

have been warning the Government about it, and they have not acted

and this 1.3 million is nowhere near enough. That is what Justine

Greening was doing yesterday. We have to see in September what

difference it makes in individual school, because I am sure what Joe

would say, we have had flat cash since 2010 so there has been no cash

increases into school, there was reions in grant, no money to meet

the pay rises, and public sector pay rises have come through, we have had

big increases in employers contribution to pensions and

National Insurance, when you look at that there have been cost pressures,

a lot depend on where a school starts in terms of its base budget,

so those schools in lower funded authority are in real significant

difficulties. We have some guarantees here, a small increase,

zero. 5% increase for every school. A 3% increase is being indicated for

the most underfunded school, so in September, let's see how much that

means for individual schools. OK. We are nothing if not persistent so we

will try again to talk o Joe, because he has made time for us. Can

you hear me? I can hear you, yes. Thank goodness for that. Tell us why

you making the decision to drop an hour woort of teaching from your

pupils neck term? Certainly, yes, we have had about 450,000 cut since

2011, that is a cut, on top of which we have increased cost, in terms of

National Insurance, contributions the school has to make, and we have

tightened our belt as much as we can, to the point where we had to

start looking at the curriculum and say we peach -- teach an hour more

than most schools and the time has come to reduce that, which saves us

about 100,000 which meanses we can balance the budget this career. So

when this extra money, it is not new Monday, it has come from elsewhere,

recycled from elsewhere, when that comes on stream you can go back up,

you can put the extra hour back in, do you think? Well, the key point is

it is 2018, so what we have done this year will allow us to balance

this year's budget so we will have to stay we are and maintain our 25

hours teaching instead of the 26. Thank you very much. Thank you to

Angela and Martinful thank you for coming on the programme.

If you've got a question for her, do get in touch in the usual ways.

It is good to talk tow to you. Tell us ho you look back on your

Wimbledon fortnight. I think overall it was terribly exciting. I got to

be a part of something that was on a national scale and to feel the

support of my home crowd, on Centre Court, on Court One, it was pretty

special. Tell us what it is like. Describe what it is like to feel the

support of your home crowd. Well, it very much like, it is goose bumps.

You get an adrenaline rush, goose bumps when you hear so many people

cheering for you, with you, more than anything, it is quite

overwhelming. You were responsible for some of the

best tennis in the women's game, at Wimbledon, some amazing three

setters, particularly against Vici glrks the first week. How do you

keep calm when it is eight all in the third set? I think it is keeping

a good perspective, acknowledging the fact you and your opponent are

playing at a high level, and involves in this epic battle, which

I think was so enjoyable, so for the crowd that was there and it was

something that as tennis players you want to be involved in those sort of

battles, and in that moment at eight all it is enjoying the fact you are

there and you get to experience that.

I wonder, let us go back few year, when you were ranked in the mid 100,

did you think, yes, I can get to the top? I've always believed in my own

ability. I have believed that I can be at the top of the game. I have

wanted to be at the top of the game, so every, every experience that I

have had, every step of the way, I have just tried to use that to my

advantage and to use that in a way that is only making me better, and I

am really enjoying many I journey, I feel that I am trying to maximise

every day and I think I am doing that 95% of the time. I am going to

bring in a super fan. OK. Jewels. Hello, how are you? -- Jules.

I I can't hear him either. I will try again.

I can hear you Victoria. Thank you. Talk to Jo. Congreats on getting to

number four in the world. My question is people say the most

important bit of a tennis player is what going on between their ear,

what has changed mentally for you in your approach in the game to rise to

inside the top five in the world? Well, to be honest, actually, not

terrible much has changed. It was more a fact of simplify things for

me, I am more focussed on process, and what makes me happy outside of

tennis as well, and really try to normalise everything. I think when

you come through the rankings and through everyone's journey in trying

to be the best in their discipline, you can get caught in your own

expectations in your own pressures of wanting to not disappoint people

around you and I think I found a place where I started playing for me

and I started wanting to improve for me, I think that is what happened me

relax a bit more, and just enjoy the process of getting better.

So the baking has helped then. Sorry. So the baking has helped

then? Very much so. Eating the muffins too. Muffins are always

good! Thank you very much, Jules. Let me

introduce you to Sarah Moss. How are you? Well. Talk to Johanna Konta. I

am interested to know what sacrifices you have had to made in

order to compete at the level you do? Well, it's more than just my own

sacrifices obviously. Growing up I made the sacrifices, the left school

to do home schooling so I didn't develop that friends circle and that

social circle, but it is a sacrifice on behalf of my family. My family

moved Continents and started again with me here. It's much more than

just my own sacrifice, it is a family project. But, yeah, I mean, I

think each sacrifice that we made it almost made us stronger as a family

unit. Thank you, Sarah. Thank you very

much. I want to ask you about the scheduling. Was the scheduling fair.

Would you have liked to have played on Centre Court more? The scheduling

was very kind to me and I got to play all my matches on court one or

Centre Court. I really don't have much to complain about, but I have

always said that I am always happy with whatever court I'm on, the net

is the same height. The lines are painted in the same place and you

are still part of the Championships at Wimbledon. So, to me, it was very

kind. I got to play some incredible battles on those big stages. Why do

you think more men's games were on the show courts than women's? Is

that a fact? I don't know the numbers. It is 2-1. That's the

ratio? I don't know. I think that's something that needs to be looked at

or needs to be assessed in terms of what actually brought in more

viewing and more things like that, but honestly I don't know. Andy

Murray was one of the players saying that it should be a bit more equal.

Well, definitely. We are all striving for more equality in every

way. 7.4 million people watched your quarterfinal match on BBC One. Those

are astonishing figures. They are astonishing figures, but astonishing

figures for women's sport? I think it's brilliant. I think it does

break down that barrier between separating men and women's sport and

making it sport. It's a sporting event. It is regardless of gender

and I think that is only a positive direction for us. What did you think