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Two people are dead and more than a hundred injured

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during an earthquake on the Greek island of Kos.

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They area is a popular with tourists including many from the UK.

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My mum looked at me and she said, "We've got to get out of here."

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We'll have the latest and speak to people caught up in the quake.

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A British woman is demanding an apology after an airline

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reported her to counter-terrorism police for reading a Syrian

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People sexually abused as children by Church of England clergy say

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the system for compensating them is not independent or fair.

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I have seen a side of the Church that is ugly. That is silencing,

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that is south preserving. I don't have much faith in the Church, that

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is the shore. -- that is for certain.

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And tributes pour in for Linkin' Park lead singer Chester Bennington,

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We're also talking about the morning after pill and whether it should be

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One of the biggest companies to sell it, Boots, says the high price

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reflects the fact a full medical discussion is needed before it's

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text.

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Two people have been killed and around

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100 others have been injured on the Greek island of Kos,

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The tremor struck under the Aegean Sea between Greece

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There was also flooding in the Turkish resort of Bodrum,

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After being shaken from their sleep, locals and tourists on the island

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of Kos ran into the streets to see the damage.

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Many holiday makers chose to camp outside their hotels.

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Officials on the island said two people were killed when the ceiling

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Most of the injured are not in a serious condition.

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Some were airlifted to the larger island of Rhodes for treatment.

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At 1:30am in the morning, we were woken by a tremendous

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The fans were thrown around, a mirror came off, lasting

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Myself, my wife and two children just got our stuff as quick

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And, as we made our way out, there was a second shock.

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Tremors that lasted a few minutes were enough to damage buildings that

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British tourist Ricky Shah was in his hotel room at the time.

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It was for about 30 seconds, you could feel the whole room shake.

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A few bottles fell off, obviously from the night stand,

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And then, suddenly, you heard other people kind of...

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Some children were waking and crying.

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In the Turkish resort of Bodrum, these people were at a restaurant

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The small tsunami triggered by the quake led to localised flooding.

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Authorities report there has been no major damage to the city.

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But as in Kos, the after-shocks continued. We will keep you updated

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with that. Rachel Schofield is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary First, our main story,

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air traffic controllers are warning that UK skies are running out

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of room for record It comes on what is expected

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to be the busiest ever day for controllers,

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with nearly 9,000 flights expected. The skies above us could be busier

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today than they've ever been, as people set off

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on their summer holidays. Air-traffic controllers say they're

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expecting to handle a record 8,800 flights today,

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and they're warning it NATS, which manages UK airspace,

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is half owned by government and controls air traffic

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across the UK. They're expecting more

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than 770,000 flights Air traffic bosses say they can

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safely manage the busier skies, but warn passengers of a future risk

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of regular delays if major changes aren't made to how UK

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airspace is managed. They want traditional

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flight paths changed, with more satellite navigation used

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instead of ground-based radio beacons, to allow

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aircraft to climb, cruise, The Department of Transport

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consulted on changing the way our skies are managed

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earlier in the year, but they're yet And it's not just our skies that

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will be busier today, the RAC is predicting this

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weekend our roads will see And Colletta Smith joins us

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now - from air traffic A great deal of concentration

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required there today. Yes, I am not getting too close, I do not want to

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distract the air traffic controllers behind me. These guys are working

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for Heathrow, some of the busiest air space in the world. Talking to

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pilots and making sure they can take off and land safely. Someone who

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knows about that is frankly not one of the air traffic controllers here,

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normally sitting in front of one of those screens, watching those

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lights, does it feel like a big responsibility? Rosol used to

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concentrating on the job, you do not think about it, but off-screen, we

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know it is a big responsibility and we want to get everybody as quickly

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as they can and as safely as they can. How many pilots to speak to,

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how many planes are you in charge of? Each sector works about 10-15

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aircraft each time and the rooms but so into how many sectors we need to

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get how many planes were working. What are you saying to these pilots?

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How'd you control them? The pilots want to go somewhere. That is how it

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works. They take off or go somewhere or they are coming in, we send them

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where they are going and get their level instructions right so they are

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at the levels they need to be and the places they need to be at. The

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right height, basically. So height and turn instructions, and transfer

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instructions for the next controllers to give them a job. And

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all the ones crossing have to cross safely and do not have a problem

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with each other. Does it feel like a busy time? We are facing a record

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day, stuff ready for it? Yes, stuff or always ready here, we will take

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whatever comes, it is definitely one of the busiest summers I have known

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and we have felt its building up. I am sure July will always be the

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busiest times we expect for it. It is great to know you are always in

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control when we are taking off and landing in airspace in the UK and

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what is expected to be an incredibly easy weekend is not just in the

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skies, but on the roads as well. When the very much indeed.

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The former American football star OJ Simpson is to be released

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from prison this autumn after serving nine years of a

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In 1995, Simpson was acquitted of the murder of his ex-wife

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Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend, turning him into one of the most

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His parole hearing was broadcast on US television.

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Our Los Angeles correspondent, James Cook, reports.

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It was the trial of the century, an American superstar accused

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of stabbing to death his ex-wife and her friend.

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OJ Simpson had been arrested after a low-speed car chase

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across Los Angeles, broadcast live to a nation in shock.

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OJ Simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder.

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He was arrested in LA for raiding a hotel room in 2007 to reclaim

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sporting memorabilia he said was his.

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Nine years later, he appeared before the Parole Board

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I've done it as well and as respectfully as anyone can.

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If you talk to the wardens, they'll tell you.

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I gave them my word, I believe in the jury system.

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And the Parole Board accepted that argument.

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So, based on all of that, Mr Simpson, I do vote to grant

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More than 20 years after his sensational acquittal, it's clear

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that OJ Simpson still commands an audience.

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Millions of Americans tuned in to his parole hearing.

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One recent poll suggests that only 7% of Americans now think

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that the fallen star is not a killer.

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A year after being questioned by counter-terrorism police

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for reading a Syrian art book on a plane, a British woman says

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she is being forced to go to court to get an apology.

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Faizah Shaheen was reported to authorities by Thomson cabin crew

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on her honeymoon flight to Turkey reading "Syria Speaks: Art

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Thomson say their staff were being vigilant.

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Tolls on the Severn Bridges will be scrapped for all vehicles by the end

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of next year. Ministers say the decision will boost the region's

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economy. Motorists who regularly use the bridges could save as much as

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?1400 a year. Tributes have been paid

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to Chester Bennington, the lead singer of the American rock

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band Linkin Park, who has The Los Angeles coroner

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says he appears to have His bandmates said they were

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"heartbroken" by the death That's a summary of

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the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning - use the hashtag #Victorialive,

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and if you text, you will be charged Bring us up-to-date with the Open,

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what is happening? Yes, good morning. Nobody has moved

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up the leaderboard, but Paul Casey has dropped a shot and the weather

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is going to play a big part in this tournament, experiencing typical

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British summer weather Royal Birkdale! This is the current

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leaderboard. Jordan Spieth, Brooks, Koepka at the top. But the story of

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the date is Rory Mclroy, he had trouble in recent months and he has

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missed the cut and it might have been on his mind as

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made a terrible start yesterday, five over par after six holes, he

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did turn it around on the back nine, he pulled out four birdies. The

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reason for his improved performance, he says a good talking to from his

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caddie. I am proud of myself hanging in there. I needed to stay as

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positive as I could. And I wasn't very positive. My caddie JP, he was

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a big help today. He was trying to keep me as positive as possible out

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there and trying to remind me that I have won this thing before, do not

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feel any pressure, play your game and you will be OK. The last 12

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holes, that is what I did and thankfully I am still in this golf

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tournament. Yes, just about. He tees off at 9:48 a:m.. The power of

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positive thinking! What about the para athletics

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Championships? What a time Hannah

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Cockroft is having. She remains undefeated

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at major competitions. A third gold medal to become

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a ten-time world champion. No wonder they call

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her Hurricane Hannah! She swept past competition in T34

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women's 400m to retain her title. A championship record

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of 58.3 seconds. That brings Britain's tally to 28

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medals, including 13 golds, third in the leaderboard behind

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China and the US. We will speak to some of the

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athletes later in the show. And finally, can anyone catch Chris

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Froome at the Tour de France? Delicately poised,

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Chris Froome is just three stages away from winning

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his 4th Tour de France. He's the favourite,

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although his lead was cut by four The battle for the yellow jersey

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went all the way to the line. Romain Bardet finished

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just ahead of Froome He's now 23 behind

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Froome in the standings. It's the longest stage

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of the Tour today - more than 138 miles -

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followed by a time trial tomorrow. Imagine what that will do to his

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legs! So it is going to be interesting. See you later at 9:30

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a:m.. Thank you very much, see you later.

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People sexually abused as children by Church of England clergy

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are criticising the close links between the company dealing

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with their compensation claims and the Church.

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The insurer, Ecclesiastical, which has advised the Church

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to settle many compensation claims - has had a string of senior

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members of the clergy on its board of directors.

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It is a miserable milestone in the history of child sexual abuse and

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the church. We are talking about the Church of England today. On

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Wednesday, the German church published a report into abuse of

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choirboys at a school. Next week, the Catholic Church's most senior

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official will appear in court proceedings in Melbourne. So, a

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tough week. This particular story concerns the way an individual was

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treated after he disclosed, and was verified, that he had been the

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victim of abuse. The case really concerns what happens when an

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individual who trusted the church, trusted the pastoral leaders of the

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church, ends up being abused, and then makes a disclosure to the

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church. What actually happens? Well, the church has a pastoral

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responsibility to that individual. The ongoing care, if you like, of

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that individual. In this case, the individual you will see in this

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piece in a moment did not want to break away from the church. At the

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same time, the church insurer is involved in discussions of a legal

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nature, in terms of compensation. It is the clash of those forces that is

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brought out in this story. Let's see that report now.

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I think, like many survivors and victims,

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I've struggled through life, I've limped through life.

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The wounds in me are not obvious, but I'm bipolar, I've had long-term

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mental health illness, I was a school failure.

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Gilo reflects on a life disfigured by sexual abuse.

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It was here in this church in the City of London where a young

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As an adult, he tried to tell senior members of the Church

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The Church finally acknowledged his experience two years ago,

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but instead of emphasising pastoral support, they instructed

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the Church's insurer to negotiate compensation.

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I think because of the relationship that the Church has

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with the insurers, the pastoral response is so fused

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with the legal response, so it's really effectively

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But the Church of England doesn't legally own the insurer,

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so it's perfectly fine, presumably, for an insurer

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I think when that insurer has got such significant presence of senior

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clerics on its board across the years, then

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you're into an area of moral responsibility.

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Ecclesiastical Insurance Group is the firm that advised the church

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to settle Gilo's case, but it has historical

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links with the Church, founded by bishops and with senior

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That, say abuse victims, creates a clear conflict of interest.

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Their view was supported by this man, Ian Elliott,

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an internationally-respected expert in child safeguarding who produced

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a report on Gilo's case for the Church of England.

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The advice identified in the report directly conflicted with those

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pastoral responsibilities, and I highlighted that.

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So are you saying there's a tension between the way clergy may

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want to respond pastorally towards someone making these

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allegations and the approach that's advocated by the insurance company?

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On this particular occasion, I absolutely am saying that.

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John Titchener is group compliance director

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Can you understand why a victim of sexual abuse who might be

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in litigation with the Church of England would be concerned that

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a senior member of the Church was sitting on the board

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Well, our job as an insurer is to handle claims in accordance

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with our regulatory duties and responsibilities...

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I understand that, but I'm asking you if you understand the concern

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that victims of abuse might have when they hear that members

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of the board of Ecclesiastical are also senior members

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Well, we have one member of the clergy on our board of 11,

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and nonexecutive directors do not involve themselves in

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the operational detail of how the business is run.

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But the composition of Ecclesiastical's board is not

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the most damning aspect of the report.

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Ian Elliott says that when the Church eventually

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acknowledged Gilo's suffering, it was quickly advised

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Clearly unacceptable, and I said that, clearly unacceptable.

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That direction, or that advice, is not compliant

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with a compassionate pastoral response, which is the stated

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It's not a secular organisation, it's a church.

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The Church exists on foundational principles.

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So you're saying the Church's focus should be principally driven

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Not just the Church of England, but any church.

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John Titchener of Ecclesiastical Insurance.

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Why did Ecclesiastical Insurance advise the Bishop handling this case

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to cut off all communications with the victim?

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Well, you're quoting from the Elliott Review...

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We were not asked to participate in the Elliott Review,

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and had we been asked we would have provided the information

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The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Peter Hancock, is now the most

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senior clergyman responsible for safeguarding issues,

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and strongly disagrees with the Church's insurer.

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Would it surprise you to learn that Ecclesiastical Insurance Group

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rejects the findings of the Elliott Review?

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I'd want to take an entirely different position to that.

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The Archbishop very clearly, in a very determined way,

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accepted all those recommendations, and one of my roles as the lead

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Bishop for safeguarding is to make sure that those recommendations

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are monitored and evaluated and, more importantly, acted upon.

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Another place, another time, the same complaint.

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At Kendall House in Kent, a Church of England home for young girls,

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residents were found to have been drugged and assaulted.

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A settlement was reached with some victims by lawyers

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from the church's insurers, Ecclesiastical.

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Theresa Cooper was one of the victims.

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I think there needs to be an investigation

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into the Ecclesiastical insurance company and the Church of England,

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and the way their solicitors are dealing with legal cases.

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They're too involved with the Church of England, you know.

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Even if they're not legally part of it, the Church

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are without a doubt fully involved in the Ecclesiastical

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Again, we put Theresa Cooper's allegations to John Titchener

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In fact, there is an investigation into exactly that through

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the independent inquiry, which we're participating in,

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and in fact we gave evidence last November where we spoke about how

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we handle sensitive claims of this nature, and we received

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plaudits at it for how we approach these claims.

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You're not receiving plaudits from the individual survivors.

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They are accusing you of impeding the pastoral process.

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You are saying they are not telling the truth?

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Well, no, as I say, the report is based on factual inaccuracies,

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and we have been absolutely clear before and after that pastoral care

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and counselling can, and should, continue in parallel

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Gilo wants the church to learn from his appalling experience.

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He says it must change the relationship with its insurer,

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removing members of clergy from its board.

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But any such change will now come too late for him.

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I've seen a side of the church that is ugly, that is silencing,

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that is self preserving, that is reluctant to really embrace

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and engage with very key, critical issues.

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I don't have much faith in the church, that's for sure.

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Now we can speak to the Bishop of Buckingham,

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Thank you for joining us. Do you believe that legal advice can be in

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conflict with the pastoral role of the church? Yes. I think it is a

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very odd relationship with anybody if it is conducted entirely through

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lawyers. Imagine if my relationship with my next door neighbour was

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conducted through lawyers, it would become a very weird relationship

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very quickly indeed. I am a pastor, that is what I was ordained to be.

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My sense is that we need to begin with survivors and their

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experiences. Not just because we should be nice to survivors, but if

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you read the parable of the good Samaritan, you don't walk by, you

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stop and help the person bleeding in the road. That should be our primary

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concern. When you hear Gilo saying he has seen a side of the church

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that is silencing of self preserving, what do you think? I

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think that side of the churches there and we need to do something

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about it. How large a part of the church do you think it is? This is

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humans we are talking about, as you have described, who are there

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because they want to help, presumably, other humans? I think

:24:55.:25:00.

that there is a kind of culture and the latest report talks about the

:25:01.:25:04.

cultural difference in the church. Imagine I had a complaint against my

:25:05.:25:08.

local police force in Thames Valley, and the only way I could complain

:25:09.:25:12.

would be to go personally to see the Chief Constable, who then controlled

:25:13.:25:16.

all of the information, all of the complaint and handle this from

:25:17.:25:20.

thereon in. Without an independent safeguarding authority, you know,

:25:21.:25:26.

with the right and ability to do its job properly, I don't see how we are

:25:27.:25:30.

going to shift this mess. It has been a long time coming, hasn't it?

:25:31.:25:34.

Over the years there have been so many cases of people accused within

:25:35.:25:41.

the church who have not been treated -- people abused within the Church

:25:42.:25:44.

you have not been treated as they should have been, and this seems to

:25:45.:25:47.

have been a greater desire to protect members of the clergy than

:25:48.:25:51.

help those that have suffered? That is Gilo's experience and he is not

:25:52.:25:55.

alone. As a bishop, we need to take that seriously and do something

:25:56.:26:01.

about it. Just hand-wringing and hoping you can just generate a load

:26:02.:26:04.

of apologies and that will be a substitute for doing anything about

:26:05.:26:07.

it, it really isn't. If you are sorry for something, you need to do

:26:08.:26:11.

something about it, not just tell everybody how sorry you are and hope

:26:12.:26:15.

it will go away. Do you have faith something will change? I think there

:26:16.:26:20.

are lots of signs that are positive. Certainly, the music that is coming

:26:21.:26:23.

out of the church now is that it wants to take safeguarding much more

:26:24.:26:26.

seriously than was the case in the past. There is also a message that

:26:27.:26:30.

that was then, this is now. I don't think that is true. I think a lot of

:26:31.:26:35.

the attitudes, the culture and problems that Gilo experienced are

:26:36.:26:38.

still things that happen in church. I think we need to do something

:26:39.:26:42.

about them. When you say it is still things that happen in church, as in

:26:43.:26:47.

in terms of historical cases of abuse being treated this way, all

:26:48.:26:51.

these things are still happening? I think both. I think the culture is

:26:52.:26:56.

still very active. The culture of deference, of protecting the

:26:57.:27:00.

institution. The world of Ecclesiastical lawyers has a very

:27:01.:27:03.

small world. The first thing bishops do when somebody alleges something

:27:04.:27:07.

as thrown of the registrar, who is a lawyer, and ask him what to do. All

:27:08.:27:11.

of these things distort the process, as does the involvement of the

:27:12.:27:16.

insurance business. That is a thing that Gilo is particularly energised

:27:17.:27:19.

about. There is a big culture there. I think we need to have an

:27:20.:27:22.

Independent safeguarding authority. It needs to have the ability to do

:27:23.:27:27.

its job properly. We also need, and this is church policy, actually,

:27:28.:27:32.

statutory reporting so that it becomes an offence not to report.

:27:33.:27:37.

Another aspect of this is the way that people don't say. I had a case

:27:38.:27:44.

of domestic abuse in a vicarage a few years ago where the churchwarden

:27:45.:27:46.

knew what was going on but didn't report anything until the person had

:27:47.:27:51.

moved. We have got to tackle that problem and get people to report

:27:52.:27:55.

when they know there is something anomalous going on so that something

:27:56.:27:59.

can be done about it. It is a big cultural problem. I think the next

:28:00.:28:04.

step has to be to have a truly independent safeguarding authority,

:28:05.:28:07.

with competence in the authority to tackle this problem head-on. Martin,

:28:08.:28:14.

two very clear suggestions, an Independent safeguarding authority

:28:15.:28:16.

and statutory reporting. Are they things that are likely to happen?

:28:17.:28:21.

The Church of England, interestingly enough, has issued a statement

:28:22.:28:25.

saying, quote, the Church of England is absolutely committed to its

:28:26.:28:30.

pastoral support to alleged victims and survivors, published new

:28:31.:28:34.

guidance in 2015. They emphasised that the management process needs to

:28:35.:28:37.

be kept separate from legal and insurance responses. The statement

:28:38.:28:40.

goes on to say that the pastoral needs of survivors must never be

:28:41.:28:45.

neglected. I think it has to be conceded that the Church of England

:28:46.:28:49.

has changed the way that it manages these incidents, incidents of

:28:50.:28:53.

disclosure. There is now a bishop who is the head of safeguarding, the

:28:54.:29:01.

Bishop of Bath and Wells. Every diocese has a dedicated leader.

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Every member of the clergy is trained in safeguarding issues.

:29:07.:29:09.

There has been a revolutionary change. The issue that Bishop Alan

:29:10.:29:14.

mentions is the question that many people have, should the process of

:29:15.:29:18.

managing safeguarding be done by the church itself? Bishop Alan says no,

:29:19.:29:24.

so does Gilo. A question put to me by somebody recently was this. If a

:29:25.:29:30.

member of Kensington and Chelsea Council was found also to be a

:29:31.:29:36.

nonexecutive director on a cladding company, would people feel that was

:29:37.:29:39.

a conflict of interest? That is a very stark and dramatic parallel. I

:29:40.:29:44.

think the answer is that people would object to that. Thank you both

:29:45.:29:51.

very much. Still to come, we will be speaking to the British woman who

:29:52.:29:54.

says she has been forced to go to court to get an apology after she

:29:55.:29:59.

was questioned by counterterrorism police for reading a Syrian art book

:30:00.:30:04.

on a plane. And I have done my time, former American football star and

:30:05.:30:08.

actor OJ Simpson asks for parole after serving nine years for armed

:30:09.:30:11.

robbery. He has got it. We will speak to his former defence lawyer.

:30:12.:30:19.

Rachel Schofield is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:30:20.:30:21.

Two people have been killed and around 100 others have

:30:22.:30:30.

been injured on the Greek island of Kos, during a strong earthquake.

:30:31.:30:33.

The tremor struck under the Aegean Sea between Greece

:30:34.:30:35.

There was also flooding in the Turkish resort of Bodrum,

:30:36.:30:39.

Our Turkey correspondent Mark Lowen has been giving us the latest.

:30:40.:30:46.

From the Greek island of Lesbos not far from the epicentre of the quake

:30:47.:30:56.

which was between Kos and Bodrum, it was quite a large quake, 6.7, and

:30:57.:31:00.

was a fairly shallow quake. It was just over six miles deep into the

:31:01.:31:08.

Aegean Sea. It has caused at least two dead on the Greek island of Kos,

:31:09.:31:14.

one of those we understand is an elderly Turkish citizen, one of

:31:15.:31:18.

Swedish origin, and dozens more injured, five of them seriously

:31:19.:31:22.

injured. Some of them have been airlifted to the larger island of

:31:23.:31:25.

Rhodes. There was structural damage in Kos, the ceiling of a bar

:31:26.:31:29.

collapsed and some of the buildings collapsed. And there were large

:31:30.:31:34.

waves which were felt on both Bodrum and Kos. Both Greece and Turkey are

:31:35.:31:40.

active. Seismically active countries. They are both on

:31:41.:31:43.

significant fault lines. There was a major earthquake in Turkey six years

:31:44.:31:49.

ago that killed 700 people in the East of the country and in 1999,

:31:50.:31:53.

earthquakes and Turkey killed 20,000 people and one in Greece killed 143

:31:54.:31:55.

people. Air traffic controllers expect be

:31:56.:32:05.

the busiest on record for flights in and out of the UK. 8800 flights are

:32:06.:32:11.

scheduled over the 24-hour period as families with school-age children

:32:12.:32:15.

begin their summer holidays. The national traffic services has warned

:32:16.:32:18.

the skies above the UK are nearing full capacity and says the

:32:19.:32:23.

Government must invest to provide support for the levels of traffic

:32:24.:32:24.

expected over the next decade. The Government will tell landowners

:32:25.:32:29.

that farm subsidies will have to be earned in future,

:32:30.:32:33.

rather than just handed out. The Environment Secretary,

:32:34.:32:35.

Michael Gove, is due to say that farmers will only get

:32:36.:32:38.

taxpayers' money if they agree to protect the environment

:32:39.:32:40.

and enhance rural life. The move is part of what he calls

:32:41.:32:42.

his vision for a "Green Brexit". That's a summary of

:32:43.:32:46.

the latest BBC News. The second round of The Open

:32:47.:32:48.

is underway at Royal Birkdale. Leading Briton Paul Casey has

:32:49.:33:06.

dropped two shots this morning, he's on 2 under par,

:33:07.:33:12.

three shots off the leading trio. Not the start he would have wanted

:33:13.:33:14.

on his 40th birthday. Just three stages to go

:33:15.:33:17.

in the Tour De france and Chris Froome still has

:33:18.:33:19.

the leaders yellow jersey. His lead was cut to 23

:33:20.:33:21.

seconds yesterday. Those are not the pictures of Chris

:33:22.:33:23.

Froome! It's the longest stage

:33:24.:33:26.

of the race today - more than 138 miles -

:33:27.:33:28.

followed by a time trial tomorrow. There is Chris Froome in the yellow

:33:29.:33:33.

Jersey! Hannah Cockroft and Georgina

:33:34.:33:37.

Hermitage both win gold, as Great Britain claimed seven more

:33:38.:33:39.

medals at the Para Athletics World Brilliant performance from both of

:33:40.:33:42.

them. And Manchester United have beaten

:33:43.:33:47.

Manchester City 2-0 overnight in a pre-season friendly

:33:48.:33:50.

in the United States. New ?75 million signing

:33:51.:33:52.

Romelu Lukaku with their first goal, I bet he's happy with that! That is

:33:53.:34:08.

all the headlines for now, see you at ten o'clock.

:34:09.:34:08.

Thanks very much. A year after being questioned

:34:09.:34:10.

by counter terrorism police for reading a Syrian

:34:11.:34:15.

art book on a plane, a British woman says

:34:16.:34:17.

she is being forced to go Faizah Shaheen was reported

:34:18.:34:20.

to authorities by Thomson cabin crew Thomson say their staff

:34:21.:34:24.

were being vigilant. And also here is Jo Glanville,

:34:25.:34:27.

who's from the free speech organization English PEN,

:34:28.:34:32.

which funded the book This is the book, you are reading it

:34:33.:34:45.

on a flight, what happened? I was on my way to my honeymoon in Turkey and

:34:46.:34:50.

I was recommended this book in a literature Festival so I started

:34:51.:34:53.

reading it in the UK and decided to finish it on the flights to Turkey.

:34:54.:34:58.

Whilst I was reading it, a cabin crew member saw me reading the book

:34:59.:35:02.

and recorded me to the counterterrorism police. Did you

:35:03.:35:06.

know immediately that had happened? Did they approach you? No, they did

:35:07.:35:11.

not approach me, nothing suggested on the flight they had any concerns

:35:12.:35:15.

about me reading this book. Nothing at all. What was the first that

:35:16.:35:21.

happened? The first was when I returned after my two week holiday

:35:22.:35:24.

to the UK and I was queueing up in passport control to find two

:35:25.:35:27.

anti-terrorism police officers waiting for me. What did they say?

:35:28.:35:32.

They approached me and they asked me, they had to do a routine check,

:35:33.:35:39.

they said it was regarding a book reported by a member of the cabin

:35:40.:35:44.

crew. What happened? I was taken in for questioning. I was given a

:35:45.:35:51.

leaflet. The explainer was being questioned under the schedule seven

:35:52.:35:54.

Terrorism Act which clearly said I had no rights and I had and to the

:35:55.:35:57.

questions and divided not, it would be detained. At that point, I knew I

:35:58.:36:03.

had not done anything wrong so I happily went with the police

:36:04.:36:07.

officers to be questioned. My husband was with me and when they

:36:08.:36:13.

realised he was my husband, they took him alongside. How long did the

:36:14.:36:16.

questioning go on? Approximately half an hour. They asked me about

:36:17.:36:22.

the book and what it was regarding, what languages I speak, the purpose

:36:23.:36:25.

of my trip, I said it was my honeymoon. What I do for a living, a

:36:26.:36:32.

lot of questions. They were reassured I was safe. And on what

:36:33.:36:38.

you do for a living, you have worked with Prevent? Yes, part of my role

:36:39.:36:43.

less you in the NHS was safeguarding children at risk of being

:36:44.:36:49.

radicalised. So I would work with Prevent and sit on a panel to work

:36:50.:36:53.

around mental health, children at risk of being radicalised. That is

:36:54.:36:57.

part of my role. It sounds like it was a situation dealt with quite

:36:58.:37:01.

quickly. But now a year later, you are seeking, you want to go to court

:37:02.:37:07.

to get an apology. Why? After my experience last year, I wrote a

:37:08.:37:14.

complaint to Thomson and they did not respond. It was only when I made

:37:15.:37:19.

my appearance on Channel 4 that they responded with the minimal response,

:37:20.:37:22.

saying they were sorry about the way I felt and they have to be vigilant.

:37:23.:37:31.

After that, I took legal advice and decided to approach this with a

:37:32.:37:35.

legal claim and the Equality Act. What they say is...

:37:36.:37:39.

Thomson said they are really sorry if Faizah Shaheen remains unhappy

:37:40.:37:41.

They said they wrote to her to explain that all crew

:37:42.:37:46.

undergo general safety and security awareness training

:37:47.:37:48.

As part of this, they are encouraged to be vigilant and share any

:37:49.:37:55.

information or questions with the relevant authorities.

:37:56.:37:56.

We appreciate that in this instance, Ms Shaheen may have felt that over

:37:57.:38:00.

caution had been exercised, however like all airlines,

:38:01.:38:02.

our crew are trained to report any concerns they may have

:38:03.:38:05.

Most people watching would think, that is understandable. We are in

:38:06.:38:20.

dangerous times. There are security concerns and is it not better to be

:38:21.:38:23.

safe than sorry? I completely understand it is security that is

:38:24.:38:29.

important and I would want to make sure security is thoroughly done. We

:38:30.:38:33.

have discussed this earlier. But it is that sense of proportion. What

:38:34.:38:38.

could have been done instead of taking the extreme measure of

:38:39.:38:41.

reporting me to the anti-terrorism police, just simply speaking to me

:38:42.:38:45.

and asking me what the book was regarding and is taking me aside. If

:38:46.:38:50.

the cabin crew was concerned and liked education about what this book

:38:51.:38:53.

was about, it would be more appropriate, I think, to take me

:38:54.:38:59.

aside and trust me rather than take me to counterterrorism police

:39:00.:39:02.

officers. That puts a big burden on the crew on a plane to deal with a

:39:03.:39:06.

situation they may feel vulnerable around after being trained to look

:39:07.:39:10.

out for things of concern potentially and to report them. They

:39:11.:39:12.

were just following the orders they had. This comes down to the bigger

:39:13.:39:19.

picture. No one should ever be detained and questioned under the

:39:20.:39:23.

Terrorism Act for reading a book. We have freedom of expression and I was

:39:24.:39:26.

reading about Syrian art and culture and that was misjudgement on the

:39:27.:39:31.

cabin crew members part for her to rip port was in the first place was

:39:32.:39:40.

not appropriate. Jo, Faizah was questioned and feels strongly about

:39:41.:39:43.

the way everything has happened, but no harm came of it? And is it better

:39:44.:39:50.

there is vigilance rather than not? There are a number of issues here,

:39:51.:39:54.

for Faizah to be pursuing this a year later shows the level of

:39:55.:39:58.

distress it has caused. It was her honeymoon and it was effectively

:39:59.:40:02.

ruined by finding herself on the way back to being questioned under the

:40:03.:40:07.

Terrorism Act, which is terrorism -- terrifying experience for anyone.

:40:08.:40:11.

There is a fundamental issue about freedom of expression. Freedom of

:40:12.:40:15.

expression means the freedom to read as well as the freedom to write. And

:40:16.:40:21.

you would expect in a free society, open society, that we can read

:40:22.:40:26.

whatever we like in our homes, and public transport, anywhere. And that

:40:27.:40:30.

what we are reading should never be used as evidence of some kind of

:40:31.:40:35.

criminal intent. Except for if somebody were reading something that

:40:36.:40:40.

were evidence of criminal intent. I'd do not think reading in itself

:40:41.:40:45.

can ever be used of evidence of cruel intent, how can it be? What if

:40:46.:40:50.

it is a manual on how to put something together, a device, all

:40:51.:40:54.

sorts of things? It's completely depends on context and what else

:40:55.:40:58.

might be happening? You might be reading a manual because you are

:40:59.:41:02.

researching it and doing a Ph.D. At university. And we have some years

:41:03.:41:07.

ago seen a case of somebody detained under the Terrorism Act for

:41:08.:41:10.

downloading and Al-Qaeda manual for his research. What we are seeing is

:41:11.:41:18.

we have to look at this in a much more wide context. We have seen

:41:19.:41:21.

other incidents, exhibitions and plays cancelled. Other incidents

:41:22.:41:28.

that show a real lack of proportion and a real lack of common sense. And

:41:29.:41:32.

I think we all understand we are living in a time of great anxiety

:41:33.:41:37.

and fear and we have had horrific terrorist incidents in this country

:41:38.:41:41.

since this incident happened to Faizah a year ago. Everyone

:41:42.:41:45.

appreciates airlines have to be vigilant. We all want the police and

:41:46.:41:49.

airlines to be vigilant. They have also got to use a sense of

:41:50.:41:52.

proportion and common-sense. I think the fact that Thomson did not

:41:53.:41:57.

apologise to Faizah and do not appear to have addressed their

:41:58.:42:01.

training in any kind of way means that anyone getting any flight on

:42:02.:42:05.

their summer holiday might be packing the Arabian nights to read

:42:06.:42:09.

to their children, the Arabic dictionary, they might want to

:42:10.:42:13.

educate themselves about Iraq, do they have the think, I will be

:42:14.:42:16.

questioned by police under the Terrorism Act because I am carrying

:42:17.:42:20.

a book the cabin crew thinks is indicative of some kind of

:42:21.:42:23.

suspicious action? Thank you both very much. And I did mention that

:42:24.:42:29.

statement from Thomson saying that they are sorry if she is unhappy,

:42:30.:42:34.

but they were basically following procedures.

:42:35.:42:36.

The campaign to bring down the price of the morning after pill -

:42:37.:42:41.

one leading pharmacy charges ?28 for it, whilst others charge

:42:42.:42:45.

others charge ?13.50, we'll find out why

:42:46.:42:46.

The former American football star OJ Simpson is to be released

:42:47.:42:52.

from prison this autumn after serving nine years of a 33

:42:53.:42:55.

The 70-year-old was approved for release by a parole board last

:42:56.:43:03.

night. He has been serving time for armed robbery, assault with a deadly

:43:04.:43:07.

weapon and ten overcharges awake -- of a confrontation in 2007 at a Las

:43:08.:43:09.

Vegas hotel. In 1995, Simpson was acquitted

:43:10.:43:11.

of the murder of his ex-wife I've done my time, I've done it as

:43:12.:43:28.

respectfully as anybody can. The wardens will tell you I gave them my

:43:29.:43:33.

word, I believe in the jury system, I have honoured their verdict. We'll

:43:34.:43:37.

hear from a former defence lawyer for OJ Simpson, but this is a quick

:43:38.:43:39.

reminder of his legal history. I've always thought I've been

:43:40.:43:41.

pretty good with people. I have basically spent

:43:42.:43:44.

a conflict-free life. In the matter of the people

:43:45.:44:10.

of the state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson,

:44:11.:44:21.

we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant

:44:22.:44:24.

Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation

:44:25.:44:27.

of penal code section 187A, We assess punitive damages

:44:28.:44:30.

against Orenthal James Simpson in favour of the plaintiff,

:44:31.:44:40.

Louis Brown as follows Something we wanted to hear

:44:41.:44:44.

since two and a half years. I didn't mean to steal anything

:44:45.:45:11.

from anybody and I didn't know I thought I was confronting friends

:45:12.:45:16.

and retrieving my property. I'm not here to try and cause

:45:17.:45:25.

any retribution or any I spent nine years making no

:45:26.:45:28.

excuses about anything. I am sorry that things turned

:45:29.:45:38.

out the way they did. So on behalf of my family,

:45:39.:45:42.

we just want him to come home. I don't feel that he's a threat

:45:43.:45:51.

to anyone out there. It's time to give him

:45:52.:45:54.

a second chance. My vote is to grant your parole

:45:55.:46:03.

effective when eligible. Early I spoke to OJ Simpson's former

:46:04.:46:06.

defence lawyer. What is your reaction to the fact

:46:07.:46:18.

that he's got parole after serving nine years of that 33-year sentence

:46:19.:46:21.

for armed robbery? I was disappointed in the sentence

:46:22.:46:24.

itself when it was handed down, Any other person similarly situated

:46:25.:46:28.

would have received what we call probation in the United States,

:46:29.:46:32.

would not have received a nine I know for a fact when his parole

:46:33.:46:36.

hearing in 2013 he was a low risk to reoffend, and I expected,

:46:37.:46:44.

because his behaviour was good for the last four years,

:46:45.:46:47.

nothing would have really significantly changed on the risk

:46:48.:46:49.

assessment factors that we use here in Nevada to assess

:46:50.:46:53.

whether an inmate should be released to the community,

:46:54.:46:55.

that he was deserving of the parole. When you say any other person

:46:56.:47:00.

would have effectively been treated differently,

:47:01.:47:04.

you are saying, are you saying he has had different treatment

:47:05.:47:08.

because of the fact he is OJ Simpson and all of the baggage

:47:09.:47:11.

that comes with that? He was sentenced more harshly

:47:12.:47:13.

than anybody would have been. 9.5 years, if you or I, Joanna,

:47:14.:47:17.

had walked into the hotel and done the same thing with the same

:47:18.:47:20.

criminal history, we would Every other person with him

:47:21.:47:23.

in the room received probation, except for the man who went to trial

:47:24.:47:28.

with him that went to prison, but when he took his case

:47:29.:47:31.

to the Nevada Supreme Court, the Nevada Supreme Court said that

:47:32.:47:34.

Mr Simpson's notoriety bled over so harshly that it infected

:47:35.:47:36.

the jury, and he was So Mr Simpson's sentence was much

:47:37.:47:39.

harsher than any other person's, I've been practising criminal

:47:40.:47:45.

defence work in Nevada for the last 20 years,

:47:46.:47:50.

I've never seen a sentence But he was a model

:47:51.:47:52.

inmate, to his credit. He kept his head down, he did every

:47:53.:47:57.

class that was available to him, I was recently elected

:47:58.:48:00.

to the Nevada legislature, and that letter that was read

:48:01.:48:06.

to the parole board was a letter he wrote to me a few months back,

:48:07.:48:09.

not requesting special treatment for him, he wasn't requesting money

:48:10.:48:12.

on his books or to contact someone on the outside,

:48:13.:48:15.

he was requesting money to the Nevada prison system

:48:16.:48:17.

to help educate inmates, because he saw first-hand

:48:18.:48:21.

how self-esteem went up when people were educated,

:48:22.:48:23.

he saw that they had hope for the future

:48:24.:48:27.

when they were educated, and he wanted the assembly,

:48:28.:48:31.

the government, to help provide some funding for education for inmates

:48:32.:48:34.

so that people coming into the system after him

:48:35.:48:36.

would receive a benefit. His eldest daughter told the court

:48:37.:48:40.

at this hearing, "As a family, we know he is not the perfect man,

:48:41.:48:44.

but the last nine years he has been the perfect inmate and made

:48:45.:48:48.

the best of the situation." What you're talking

:48:49.:48:53.

about there feeds into that How would you describe him,

:48:54.:48:55.

how would you sum him up? The Mr Simpson that I met, I first

:48:56.:48:59.

was introduced to him in 2012, He's a very nice man,

:49:00.:49:03.

he was cooperative the entire time, he's very charismatic,

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he was articulate and able He was a wonderful

:49:16.:49:17.

person to deal with. I've had worse clients to deal

:49:18.:49:24.

with, I can tell you. What do you think life is going

:49:25.:49:28.

to be like for him once he gets out? There is a survey out today

:49:29.:49:32.

which indicates that nearly all Americans think he did kill

:49:33.:49:35.

Nicole Brown Simpson, very controversial judgment

:49:36.:49:39.

at the time and, as you said, it's sort of dogged him ever since,

:49:40.:49:41.

what happened then. It's going to be an

:49:42.:49:46.

adjustment period for him. Most inmates that are in there

:49:47.:49:56.

for more than a few years are acclimated to the system,

:49:57.:49:59.

they're used to the lights going on and off at a certain time,

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they're used to being fed at a certain time, so he's

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going to have to almost relearn how A lot of inmates are

:50:06.:50:08.

surprised when they can turn on their own lights,

:50:09.:50:12.

be fed at any time they want, to be able to eat different foods and not

:50:13.:50:15.

just what somebody gives them. I think he'll adjust better

:50:16.:50:18.

than most, mainly because he has His sister is still around,

:50:19.:50:20.

she lives in California, his four children live in Florida,

:50:21.:50:24.

I think he would prefer to be In the United States,

:50:25.:50:27.

you are allowed to travel but once you are an inmate and released

:50:28.:50:32.

on parole you have to apply for what we call the interstate

:50:33.:50:34.

compact clause and the state Sorry to interrupt,

:50:35.:50:37.

obviously you're talking about being institutionalised

:50:38.:50:44.

as a result of having been inside and adjusting

:50:45.:50:47.

as a result of that. I mean, a man of such

:50:48.:50:50.

notoriety, how will it be You know, if I could talk to him,

:50:51.:50:53.

I would tell him, "Just keep your head down,

:50:54.:51:00.

stay at home, don't go out." He's not the favourite

:51:01.:51:04.

person in the public no matter where he goes,

:51:05.:51:07.

people treat him poorly no matter where he goes, so he's probably

:51:08.:51:11.

going to want to just stay home and be with his family,

:51:12.:51:14.

and hopefully that will be I want to read you a couple of

:51:15.:51:29.

comments on that interview with the lady who was questioned after

:51:30.:51:35.

reading a book about Syria on a flight. One says that she agrees,

:51:36.:51:41.

she should not be questioned on this. Another, this is beyond

:51:42.:51:46.

belief. What would happen if I took my copy of the Koran to read on a

:51:47.:51:52.

plane? Mixed comments. Thank you for those.

:51:53.:51:55.

The emergency contraceptive pill, also known as the morning

:51:56.:51:57.

after pill, is taken to prevent an unwanted pregnancy

:51:58.:51:59.

Despite being available for free through a GP,

:52:00.:52:03.

in some pharmacies it can cost nearly ?30 to buy.

:52:04.:52:06.

The British Pregnancy Advisory Service has called on Boots,

:52:07.:52:08.

The emergency contraceptive called Levonelle costs ?28.25 in Boots.

:52:09.:52:15.

But now, Tesco has cut the cost of exactly

:52:16.:52:17.

Superdrug is also offering a generic version of the same

:52:18.:52:24.

Let's talk to Hannah Ewans, a junior editor at Vice who has

:52:25.:52:34.

written about her personal experiences of buying

:52:35.:52:36.

Also Clare Murphy from the British Pregnancy Advisory Service who has

:52:37.:52:39.

And Dr Jane Dickson, a consultant in Sexual

:52:40.:52:43.

and Reproductive Healthcare, specializing in contraception.

:52:44.:52:47.

Thank you all for coming in. Before we talk specifically around what is

:52:48.:52:55.

happening with the cost of the morning after pill, tell us more

:52:56.:53:00.

about you. You have taken it and written about it, you have

:53:01.:53:03.

effectively been campaigning for the price to be lowered? Tell us what

:53:04.:53:07.

your experiences have been? Basically, when you are a teenager,

:53:08.:53:10.

there is no way you're going to be able to afford for the morning after

:53:11.:53:15.

pill. If you are from a small town where there are not many chemists,

:53:16.:53:19.

you are going around pharmacies trying to get a pharmacy that will

:53:20.:53:24.

have somebody in that can give it to you. You have to have a consultation

:53:25.:53:27.

to get it for free. Sometimes you will get somewhere and find that the

:53:28.:53:32.

farm assist you are supposed to be seeing is not actually in. It is

:53:33.:53:35.

sort of a chase against time, going around different pharmacies. It is

:53:36.:53:41.

basically really stressful and a nightmare. When the story came up in

:53:42.:53:45.

the press, it was something that really interested me. I remembered

:53:46.:53:48.

being that teenage girl when I was younger. You can get it free from

:53:49.:53:53.

your GP? Yes, the trouble is, you're going to have to take time off

:53:54.:53:58.

School, potentially, time off work. Often are using up a slot, an

:53:59.:54:02.

emergency appointment slot that could have been given to somebody

:54:03.:54:06.

else. Even if you try to get an emergency appointment, you might not

:54:07.:54:10.

be able to get one. Are there other reasons why kids might not want to

:54:11.:54:15.

go? Potentially having to talk to their GP about it might be a

:54:16.:54:20.

daunting thing? Is that a factor? Yes, there was a big study in 2014

:54:21.:54:27.

that showed that 11% of British women actually felt too embarrassed

:54:28.:54:30.

to actually get the morning after pill. That put them off going at

:54:31.:54:33.

all. They kind of just went completely without. Clare, the

:54:34.:54:39.

British Pregnancy Advisory Service has been calling for the price to

:54:40.:54:43.

come down. Some shops are now selling it at effectively half the

:54:44.:54:48.

price that is being charged that the higher end. What do you think should

:54:49.:54:52.

be the position with the morning after pill? How easy should it be to

:54:53.:54:56.

get and how cheap should it be? I think it should be really accessible

:54:57.:55:00.

for women. I think women need rapid access to emergency contraception

:55:01.:55:03.

when their regular method fails. Many women in this country are

:55:04.:55:07.

reliant on user dependent methods like condom is, pills, which can

:55:08.:55:11.

frequently fail or be forgotten. They need to be able to access

:55:12.:55:15.

emergency contraception. But they can do that through their GP? They

:55:16.:55:19.

can do it through their GP, but we have talked about the problems with

:55:20.:55:25.

teenagers accessing this, but in our service we see tens of thousands of

:55:26.:55:28.

women every year with unwanted pregnancy. Often it is women in

:55:29.:55:31.

their 20s and 30s who do not have the time. They have childcare

:55:32.:55:35.

commitments, working response abilities. They don't have the time

:55:36.:55:39.

to get to their GP. Actually, it is not a good use of their time or the

:55:40.:55:45.

Doctor's time. This is a very, very safe, effective medication that

:55:46.:55:48.

should be readily available through pharmacies. We are really delighted

:55:49.:55:55.

to see that Superdrug, Tesco, taken the initiative to provide women with

:55:56.:55:58.

a more affordable product and we really hope that Boots follow suit

:55:59.:56:01.

because the situation is not tenable. Dr Jane Dickson, what are

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your thoughts on how available it should be and how much it should

:56:07.:56:10.

cost? One thing we know about the emergency contraceptive pill is that

:56:11.:56:14.

it is incredibly safe. I very much support easier access to it. In

:56:15.:56:23.

fact, we would support free provision of emergency

:56:24.:56:27.

contraception. It is also available widely in sexual health clinics,

:56:28.:56:32.

family planning clinics, free of charge. Also, people have the

:56:33.:56:36.

anonymity. If they don't want their GP to know about it. One thing I

:56:37.:56:41.

would say is that it is very, very safe, but it isn't the most

:56:42.:56:45.

effective form of emergency contraception. Is there an element

:56:46.:56:49.

of the consultation around it being not just necessarily about how safe

:56:50.:56:53.

it is to take, but why someone is in the position of taking it? Are they

:56:54.:56:59.

being responsible around contraception, are they making the

:57:00.:57:04.

right decisions in what they are doing? I don't think we talk about

:57:05.:57:08.

responsibility, I think it is more about women being safe and

:57:09.:57:15.

adequately protected. Long acting, reversible contraception, things

:57:16.:57:20.

like the IUD, is more effective. The emergency coil is a much more

:57:21.:57:25.

effective form of emergency contraception than the Pill. But I

:57:26.:57:32.

think we would definitely support it being more widely available at a

:57:33.:57:37.

cheaper cost, because it is an incredibly safe medication. You

:57:38.:57:42.

wanted to come in on the point about responsibility around contraception?

:57:43.:57:46.

Yes, regardless of why a woman needs to use it, they should have it free

:57:47.:57:50.

and easy. But the thing is, I know from the women I have spoken to,

:57:51.:57:54.

from my own personal experience, that it is often not a case of you

:57:55.:57:59.

being irresponsible. It is a case of maybe the condom has broken, maybe

:58:00.:58:02.

you have just missed a pill by accident. Maybe it is even that you

:58:03.:58:05.

are having side-effects from your normal contraception and you are

:58:06.:58:09.

trying and having breaks from different contraception. I don't

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think it is anything to do with being irresponsible. Thank you all.

:58:13.:58:16.

Boots did not want to appear on the programme.

:58:17.:58:20.

that provision of the morning after pill is a professional

:58:21.:58:23.

healthcare service which should require a proper health

:58:24.:58:25.

It is the first day of the summer holidays from any part of England

:58:26.:58:59.

and Wales. If you're heading west, or you are in the West already, not

:59:00.:59:03.

looking that great. This is the recent radar picture. You can see a

:59:04.:59:07.

huge and rainfall here in western areas, particularly heavy rain in

:59:08.:59:10.

West Wales and south-west England. It is all associated with this area

:59:11.:59:13.

of low pressure which will move very slowly eastwards. Look at those

:59:14.:59:18.

white lines, quite close together. That indicates strong wind. We're

:59:19.:59:21.

going to see some gales around the coasts of south-west England, South

:59:22.:59:26.

and West Wales. The further east you are, looking largely dry and bright.

:59:27.:59:30.

Some sunny spells. Temperatures and high teens, low 20s. As for the

:59:31.:59:34.

weekend, low pressure is still with us. You can see the swirl of the

:59:35.:59:38.

winds. Still quite blustery conditions across southern and

:59:39.:59:42.

western areas. Quite a few showers on Saturday. They could be quite and

:59:43.:59:45.

perhaps thundery across Wales, the Midlands and southern England.

:59:46.:59:51.

Further east, largely dry, some showers for a time. Sunday, fewer

:59:52.:59:56.

showers, some sunny spells. Temperatures in the higher teens or

:59:57.:59:57.

low 20s. See you later. Two die and at least

:59:58.:00:04.

100 people are injured on the Greek island of Kos,

:00:05.:00:09.

after an earthquake off the coast My mum looked at me and she said,

:00:10.:00:12.

"We've got to get out of here." We'll speak to three

:00:13.:00:18.

British families on Kos It's the last weekend of the World

:00:19.:00:25.

Para Athletics Championships, and we've got two of Britain's gold

:00:26.:00:30.

medallists with us in the studio. Team captain Hollie

:00:31.:00:37.

Arnold and Stef Reid. They'll be alongside two

:00:38.:00:39.

young athletes who hope "The most impressive

:00:40.:00:41.

talent I've ever seen." "Rock 'n' Roll will never

:00:42.:00:52.

fill the space he left." These, just some of the tributes

:00:53.:00:54.

from the friends and family of Linkin Park lead singer

:00:55.:00:57.

Chester Bennington, who has Here's Rachel Schofield

:00:58.:00:59.

in the BBC Newsroom, Two people have been

:01:00.:01:16.

killed and around 100 others have been injured

:01:17.:01:22.

on the Greek island of Kos, The tremor struck under

:01:23.:01:25.

the Aegean Sea between Greece There was also flooding

:01:26.:01:28.

in the Turkish resort of Bodrum, After being shaken from their sleep,

:01:29.:01:33.

locals and tourists on the island of Kos ran into the streets

:01:34.:01:41.

to see the damage. Many holiday makers,

:01:42.:01:54.

fearing further tremors, Officials on the island said two

:01:55.:01:56.

people were killed when the ceiling Most of the injured are not

:01:57.:02:00.

in a serious condition. Though some were airlifted

:02:01.:02:04.

to the larger island At 1:30am in the morning,

:02:05.:02:05.

we were woken by a tremendous The fans were thrown around,

:02:06.:02:10.

a mirror came off, lasting Myself, my wife and two children

:02:11.:02:13.

just got our stuff as quick And, as we made our way out,

:02:14.:02:22.

there was a second shock. Tremors that lasted a few minutes

:02:23.:02:28.

were enough to damage buildings that British tourist Ricky Shah

:02:29.:02:31.

was in his hotel room at the time. It was for about 30

:02:32.:02:43.

seconds, you kind of felt A few bottles fell off,

:02:44.:02:46.

obviously from the night stand, And then, suddenly, you heard

:02:47.:02:49.

other people kind of... Some children were

:02:50.:02:53.

waking and crying. In the Turkish resort of Bodrum,

:02:54.:02:56.

these people were at a restaurant The small tsunami triggered by

:02:57.:02:58.

the quake led to localised flooding. Authorities report there has been no

:02:59.:03:04.

major damage to the city. As in the Kos, tourists chose the

:03:05.:03:22.

safety of the streets to their hotels as the after-shocks

:03:23.:03:23.

continued. Michael Gove has delivered his

:03:24.:03:30.

vision for what he describes as a green Brexit. He says that after UK

:03:31.:03:36.

weaves the EU, farmers will have to earn subsidies by agreeing to

:03:37.:03:40.

protect the environment and enhance rural life, rather than simply have

:03:41.:03:42.

them handed out. The former American football star OJ

:03:43.:03:43.

Simpson is to be released from prison this autumn,

:03:44.:03:46.

after serving nine years of a 33-year sentence

:03:47.:03:48.

for armed robbery. In 1995, Simpson was acquitted

:03:49.:03:55.

of the murder of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend,

:03:56.:03:58.

turning him into one of the most His parole hearing was

:03:59.:04:01.

broadcast on US television. A year after being questioned

:04:02.:04:11.

by counter-terrorism police for reading a Syrian art book

:04:12.:04:17.

on a plane, a British woman says she is being forced to go

:04:18.:04:20.

to court to get an apology. Faizah Shaheen was reported

:04:21.:04:23.

to authorities by Thomson cabin crew on her honeymoon flight to Turkey

:04:24.:04:25.

reading - Syria Speaks: Art Thomson say their staff

:04:26.:04:28.

were being vigilant. Tolls on the two Severn bridges -

:04:29.:04:31.

between England and Wales - will be scrapped for all vehicles

:04:32.:04:34.

by the end of next year. Ministers say the decision

:04:35.:04:36.

will significantly boost Motorists who regularly

:04:37.:04:38.

use the bridges could Tributes have been paid

:04:39.:04:41.

to Chester Bennington, the lead singer of the American rock

:04:42.:04:51.

band Linkin Park, who has The Los Angeles Coroner

:04:52.:04:54.

says he appears to have His bandmates said they were

:04:55.:04:58.

"heartbroken" by the death That's a summary of the latest BBC

:04:59.:05:02.

News - more at 10:30. Good morning. Let's start with the

:05:03.:05:13.

Gulf. The second round of the Open

:05:14.:05:22.

Championship is underway. Three Americans led the way

:05:23.:05:24.

yesterday but plenty of players put Our reporter Adam Wild

:05:25.:05:26.

is live at Royal Birkdale. Any big movers on the

:05:27.:05:34.

leaderboard so far? Yes, good morning. Welcome back to

:05:35.:05:42.

the Southport links at Royal Birkdale. Des two of the Open

:05:43.:05:47.

championship. Let's look at the leaderboard. We have an outright

:05:48.:05:53.

leader, Matt Kuchar, who was in the trio in the overnight leaders and

:05:54.:06:00.

Jordan Spieth and Koepka. Matt Kuchar has picked up a shot. Now the

:06:01.:06:04.

great leader and six under. A couple to pick out the early starters. Paul

:06:05.:06:10.

Casey celebrating his 40th birthday today and wearing special shoes with

:06:11.:06:17.

PC 40 on them. Not celebrating in style after dropping two shots,

:06:18.:06:24.

dropping back to two under. Rory Mclroy had a disappointing start to

:06:25.:06:27.

his round yesterday, but he has now picked up a shot on the first, so

:06:28.:06:34.

just starting well with a shot. Yes, I have not seen as both Gay shoes, I

:06:35.:06:38.

cannot wait! You mentioned Rory Mclroy. -- I have not seen his

:06:39.:06:45.

shoes. Caddies don't normally

:06:46.:06:50.

make the headlines. A disastrous start, five over at one

:06:51.:07:05.

point. But his caddie JP Fitzgerald said, it you are Rory Mclroy, the

:07:06.:07:09.

world and the four, a former champion here, you have got to go

:07:10.:07:11.

out and play your game, get your confidence back. And it had the

:07:12.:07:17.

desired effect. He turned it around on the back nine. That continues

:07:18.:07:21.

this morning, he has birdied the first and is right back in

:07:22.:07:26.

contention. You put it a what more diplomatic weight than the caddie

:07:27.:07:29.

himself! I heard there was some colourful language. British a lot

:07:30.:07:33.

more diplomatically. Chris Froome is three stages

:07:34.:07:35.

away from winning his He's the favourite for the title,

:07:36.:07:37.

although his lead was cut by four The battle for the yellow jersey

:07:38.:07:41.

went all the way to the line... Romain Bardet, finished

:07:42.:07:45.

just ahead of Froome, He's now 23 behind

:07:46.:07:47.

Froome in the standings. It's the longest stage

:07:48.:07:51.

of the Tour today - more than 138 miles -

:07:52.:07:53.

followed by a time trial tomorrow. Manchester United have beaten

:07:54.:08:05.

Manchester City 2-0 overnight A crowd of 67,000 turned out to see

:08:06.:08:07.

the pair meet in Houston. New ?75 million signing

:08:08.:08:12.

Romelu Lukaku got the first. And the second came just two minutes

:08:13.:08:19.

later through England I will be back with the headlines at

:08:20.:08:31.

10:30 a:m.. Thank you, see you later.

:08:32.:08:40.

There are reports that at least 80 people have been injured.

:08:41.:08:43.

The magnitude of 6.7 quake caused floods in the Turkish result of

:08:44.:08:47.

Bodrum. We can speak now to three

:08:48.:08:50.

people who are holidaying Georgie Jamieson is a university

:08:51.:08:52.

student from London who's on holiday with her family in the small town

:08:53.:08:58.

of Kardamaina on the Claire Reeve is in the same town

:08:59.:09:01.

with her husband and two children, and Victoria Dixon is in Kos Town

:09:02.:09:05.

with her family. Thank you very much for joining us.

:09:06.:09:16.

Georgie, tell us what happened. We went up to our rooms after the

:09:17.:09:19.

night-time entertainment around midnight and probably started going

:09:20.:09:23.

to bed around one o'clock. Probably about half an hour later, fear/ when

:09:24.:09:34.

the entire room shook vigorously. It felt like the floor was going to

:09:35.:09:40.

cave in. I did not know if buildings were crumbling around me. I

:09:41.:09:45.

immediately woke my younger sister who was lying next to me. I told her

:09:46.:09:49.

that we needed to get out because I was fearful of pursuing coming down.

:09:50.:09:56.

So we ran outside and at that point, we were met by other tourists doing

:09:57.:10:04.

a similar thing. And at that point, we felt another tremor and we

:10:05.:10:09.

thought it would be the best idea to kind of evacuated the building and

:10:10.:10:15.

get as far away as possible. Obviously, we were completely shaken

:10:16.:10:19.

up by it all. As it was the middle of the night, it you were kind of

:10:20.:10:22.

wary of the fact that no one was really around the tell us what was

:10:23.:10:28.

going on or what kind of action to take. So we decided to stay quite

:10:29.:10:36.

higher and make sure there were open fields around just in case we needed

:10:37.:10:42.

to evacuate. Victoria, tell us what you felt. Well, we had been on a

:10:43.:10:51.

trip to the mountains. We were quite tired when we got back around ten

:10:52.:10:57.

o'clock and we went to bed early. Around 25 past one, we will

:10:58.:11:04.

literally ripped from our sleep. The bed shook uncontrollably, the room

:11:05.:11:07.

shook from side to side, the noise was terrible. I dived on my son. The

:11:08.:11:14.

complete sense of fear was untrue. I thought that was it, I really did.

:11:15.:11:20.

When it stopped, we gathered our thoughts. We thought, we need to get

:11:21.:11:27.

outside. We were faced with the holiday-makers, not knowing what to

:11:28.:11:32.

do. The electricity had gone. It was a sense of panic. There was an air

:11:33.:11:40.

raid siren alarm that went off, so we went to the reception area, but

:11:41.:11:45.

we were greeted with no one. We kind of round out our information from

:11:46.:11:51.

Twitter. And afterwards, until about at least six o'clock this morning,

:11:52.:11:57.

the tremors were really strong. So you are trying to get over it, but

:11:58.:12:03.

the tremors kept coming. People were sleeping on the Sun lounges. Pots

:12:04.:12:11.

were smashed. The pool was damaged. It was scary, to say the least, we

:12:12.:12:19.

are very close to Kos town. What was your experience, Claire? We woke up

:12:20.:12:23.

about half past one in the morning and were swaying from left to right.

:12:24.:12:28.

It continued for about 30 seconds. We felt like we were in a hurricane,

:12:29.:12:34.

that kind of sensation. Once we were fully awake, we realised it was not

:12:35.:12:38.

a Hurricane Bertha and it was more serious. We woke our two small

:12:39.:12:45.

children who were asleep and we made our way out to the main road. There

:12:46.:12:50.

were people coming out and panicking. We watched the main road,

:12:51.:12:55.

but it was quite nerve-racking because we are up in the mountains

:12:56.:12:59.

so we were worried there would be boulders coming down. It was quite

:13:00.:13:04.

scary. We made our way down the hill to the main hotel building and the

:13:05.:13:10.

hotel manager explained what had happened between Bodrum and Kos. He

:13:11.:13:19.

said it was safe to go back to our rooms and is to be vigilant and

:13:20.:13:22.

listen out for the emergency alarm. We went back to our rooms and we

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pretty much stayed awake until about five o'clock in the morning because

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there were literally tremors occurring every 15 minutes, half an

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hour. Some of them... We are struggling to hear you, there is

:13:37.:13:40.

wind cutting the crusher microphone, but thank you. Victoria, you were

:13:41.:13:49.

telling us about people sleeping on lounges and the damage around the

:13:50.:13:54.

pool. The lack of information and the sheer strength of the after

:13:55.:13:59.

tremors, like the other say Deluxe -- lady said, every ten to 15

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minutes, the tremors were so strong, you literally thought, here we go

:14:04.:14:08.

again. We thought it was going to happen again and everybody was so

:14:09.:14:11.

fearful. Plus, the information was not coming through. We did not

:14:12.:14:16.

really know what to do. We did not want to go back into the room purely

:14:17.:14:23.

because of the damage may be. It was very severe. How much damage was

:14:24.:14:29.

there where you are? We were quite lucky. The people next was were so

:14:30.:14:40.

lucky. There was damage around such as windows. It looks like the Hotel

:14:41.:14:51.

staff have tried to clear everything up and tried to calm everybody down,

:14:52.:14:56.

but just waiting to see Thomson representative to see what is

:14:57.:14:59.

happening. Thank you, all, for joining us. More comments now on the

:15:00.:15:07.

interview earlier with Faizah Shaheen. This man says, why are you

:15:08.:15:16.

indulging this woman? Passing on an observation is not an extreme

:15:17.:15:18.

measure. Just let the police do their job and stop wasting

:15:19.:15:22.

resources. Shameful reaction, that is over the top.

:15:23.:15:28.

We have had mixed comments. One says, they will not apologise for

:15:29.:15:33.

their disgraceful behaviour, he means Thomson, closet racial

:15:34.:15:35.

profiling. Still to come, rock and roll will

:15:36.:15:51.

never fill the space he left, tributes to Chester Bennington who

:15:52.:15:51.

has died at 41. It's been the biggest -

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and quite probably the best World Championships ever -

:15:54.:15:56.

and a successful one The London championships come

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to an end this weekend, and they've seen record crowds,

:15:59.:16:01.

with the Fill The Stadium campaigning helping to bring

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in around a quarter So far, Great Britain

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are comfortably 3rd in the medal We can talk to two gold medallists

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now. Hollie Arnold, is the

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British Team Captain. She won gold last weekend

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in her F46 javelin category - that means single below

:16:18.:16:19.

or above the elbow amputees Stef Reid also won gold

:16:20.:16:21.

in her event, the long jump, which is for competitors

:16:22.:16:24.

with single below-knee amputation. Eden Rainbow-Cooper is a wheelchair

:16:25.:16:27.

junior athlete and competes Olivia Gallagher is a junior

:16:28.:16:29.

wheelchair racer and Tania She works at the Weir Archer

:16:30.:16:34.

Academy, set up by David Weir and Jenny Archer to help train

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and develop young athletes. Welcome, all of you. Thank you very

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much for coming in. It is great to see you all, and especially

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congratulations to you two with your gold medals. Delighted to see you

:16:54.:16:57.

wearing them. Obviously it has been a great experience for the British

:16:58.:17:04.

athletes. Holly, you are the British team captain, you must be feeling

:17:05.:17:08.

very proud? Very proud. Very humble to be classed as team captain and to

:17:09.:17:13.

be chosen by my actual team-mates. To bring home the gold and world

:17:14.:17:17.

record to add to that is something that makes me feel good. Do you

:17:18.:17:22.

think you get a boost from being in a home crowd? Massively, the crowd

:17:23.:17:28.

was amazing. I had my own plans, my first three throws was just to do

:17:29.:17:31.

what I need to do, and the fourth I got the crowd going. That is when

:17:32.:17:36.

the world record came. The crowd definitely helped. It just boosted

:17:37.:17:40.

our own confidence. It's so nice to be able to go out in our home crowd

:17:41.:17:43.

and do what I wanted to do. Sort of make up from London 2012. Why do you

:17:44.:17:50.

need to make up? I came fifth. For me, that wasn't good enough for

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myself. It's my Demons to rest now. I did my own lap of honour and

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soaked up the crowd. It was just amazing. Good for you. Steph, you've

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got your gold, tell us us about that competition. Probably the same story

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to Holly. For me, the amazing thing was that we are doing the long jump,

:18:11.:18:15.

on the back straight. It was a full audience. I probably knew half of

:18:16.:18:19.

the people there. I think it was a really proud moment. Disability

:18:20.:18:24.

sport has evolved. It is no longer just for people that have

:18:25.:18:28.

disabilities. It is for everybody. I think everybody can relate to a

:18:29.:18:32.

story where it is your dream to do something and people look at you,

:18:33.:18:35.

they think, a girl with one arm, how is she going to throw a javelin? A

:18:36.:18:40.

deal with one leg? It is ridiculous that you want to be a professional

:18:41.:18:44.

athlete. Did that happen to you? Yes, I was an accident when I was

:18:45.:18:48.

15, and I accepted that. I played rugby before and that was my dream.

:18:49.:18:53.

I kind of thought, OK, sport is not for me any more. I went the more

:18:54.:18:57.

academic route and did a degree in chemistry, I was going to be a

:18:58.:19:01.

doctor. Suddenly, I got my first running blade and I thought, wait a

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minute, I want to do this. People thought I was nuts. Are you really

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going to let a career in medical school go to do the Paralympics?

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This was way before 2012. I had to explain to people what the

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Paralympics, what para sports was. To see how it has transformed, and

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London and Great Britain has played such a massive part of that. When we

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hear you speak about what you have gone through to get where you are,

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it is particularly inspiring. It is great to have Eden and Olivia with

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us, you must look at these women and men and be very inspired?

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Definitely. Particularly the women, there has been a lot of computing,

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it shows that girls can go to that level. Did you always feel you

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could? Did you have a moment like Steph, when you didn't necessarily

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say it? Definitely. Growing up in the schools that I meant to, there

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wasn't really any disability sport. I was the only disabled person in my

:20:08.:20:12.

school. I went to my senior school and they introduced me to para

:20:13.:20:16.

sport. I went there and I tried racing. I was just in awe. I loved

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it and I wanted to do sport since then. I've never looked back since.

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Olivia, what is your story? Same for me. I went to a hearing impaired

:20:29.:20:33.

school in Newbury, for the hearing impaired. They may be do

:20:34.:20:39.

cross-country running. I thought, well, I can't do it in my chair, I

:20:40.:20:46.

can't do it. It is too hilly. I said, why don't you get in the chair

:20:47.:20:51.

and you try it? Then they made me just sit on the sidelines. I think

:20:52.:21:01.

especially in these games, and London 2012, it is showing that we

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can actually do something and not just sit and watch, so I'm just

:21:05.:21:11.

sitting here and not doing anything. Good for you, saying what you don't

:21:12.:21:14.

want to do as well. How empowered are you feeling now? Very, I think.

:21:15.:21:23.

I think me having seen David Weir do all of his achievements, seeing

:21:24.:21:29.

Steph and Holly winning gold, it helped me. It helped me think that

:21:30.:21:37.

where I am in the ranking, in International, world, for my

:21:38.:21:39.

classification, unfortunately they are not in the Paralympics at the

:21:40.:21:46.

minute for the girls. We want to be where they are. It is just about the

:21:47.:21:53.

IPCC, hopefully wanting to put that in, in the future. Tanya, you are

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Olivia's very proud mother, and also involved in getting young people

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involved in sport? I am chair of the Senedd David Weir archer Academy.

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People set in 2012, because they thought there was a need to inspire

:22:17.:22:19.

the next generation. We are an academy based purely on being run by

:22:20.:22:24.

volunteers. Our biggest issue is raising funds, obviously, so that

:22:25.:22:33.

young people that come along can access the sport. When you have a

:22:34.:22:39.

disability, have any equipment to take part in that sport is very

:22:40.:22:43.

expensive. For example, a racing chair is equivalent to 3500 or

:22:44.:22:53.

?5,000. Even racing gloves are ?150. For young people, it is very hard to

:22:54.:22:58.

take part in that sport. I know that Steph and Holly were saying the same

:22:59.:23:02.

in their sport. Tell us more about that, what were your experiences,

:23:03.:23:08.

starting out, how hard it was? My throwing arm, which helps me to

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balance as I am throwing, that cost ?5,000. It is very expensive, but it

:23:12.:23:19.

is part of me, I need that its role as far as I do. Javelins range from

:23:20.:23:24.

?1000 upwards. Sometimes, if you hit a stone, it can break just like

:23:25.:23:33.

that. It is quite expensive. That's devastating! Yes, it's very

:23:34.:23:37.

devastating. The same with the legs, for you, that is very expensive. You

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said when you got that how transformational it was. What did

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you have to go through to get it? It is hard, for sure. This is my day

:23:47.:23:54.

leg but I have right now, to run on that versus a running blade, it is

:23:55.:23:58.

night and day. So much more fun. One of the things that I am so happy

:23:59.:24:03.

about, the reason that we have these will Championships in London, is,

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yes, money is an issue and money will definitely make a difference to

:24:08.:24:11.

getting more people participating. Equally as important is just having

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attitudes change, having local clubs, welcoming people and just

:24:16.:24:21.

having a coach that is willing to adapt and is not intimidated by it.

:24:22.:24:26.

That is just as valuable. It matters so much that we are changing

:24:27.:24:31.

perceptions, changing how people see disability. It's not normal now to

:24:32.:24:35.

associate words like strong, fast and powerful full summary that has a

:24:36.:24:39.

disability. Do you feel a difference, day to day, when you go

:24:40.:24:43.

around? Do you think there is a different attitude? It is a lot less

:24:44.:24:47.

awkward than it was before. People come up and have a conversation with

:24:48.:24:52.

you. Before they might just stare. Do you put that down to 2012? Yes. I

:24:53.:24:58.

think it started in 2012 and since then it has just blossomed into

:24:59.:25:02.

other things. It is really powerful to see that. It shows that almost

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the whole nation has changed, really, from one games. Do you feel

:25:09.:25:17.

that? Yes, I was bullied because I had the visual and hearing problems

:25:18.:25:23.

as well as the CP. But I could say, this is what I'm doing, they have an

:25:24.:25:29.

interest in that conversation. It's not that you're just in a wheelchair

:25:30.:25:34.

and sitting on the sidelines, being lazy. What are your goals? Next

:25:35.:25:42.

year, I'm hoping the CP Will Games in Spain, but my main goal is 2020

:25:43.:25:51.

order will Championships in London, in 2019, hopefully, if they do it in

:25:52.:25:55.

London. -- the World Championships. The main goal is to keep doing what

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I am doing with the support of Jenny and David from the Academy. Hope

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that I can one day be in the Olympic Stadium.

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Eden, what about you? I have the junior World Championships coming up

:26:09.:26:16.

in two weeks. That is my main focus, trying to go there and do what I do

:26:17.:26:20.

best, which is racing. After that, I want to try to go to the Europeans.

:26:21.:26:25.

It just depends on what the Times. Apart from that, I want to keep

:26:26.:26:30.

enjoying the sport. If I don't enjoy it, I want to do my best. Holly and

:26:31.:26:34.

Steph, when the champion jets out of the way, what next? Obviously we are

:26:35.:26:41.

going to have the World Championships in 2019, which we are

:26:42.:26:44.

all hoping is going to be back in London. And then we have Tokyo 2020

:26:45.:26:50.

after that. It's hard, as an athlete, you have to take things

:26:51.:26:53.

year by year and see how things go. I love the sport, every year it

:26:54.:26:59.

tends to evolve and get bigger. I definitely don't want to watch from

:27:00.:27:02.

the sidelines. You are hoping they come back here in 2019, is it

:27:03.:27:08.

different with other things? Countries are rotated more, is

:27:09.:27:12.

Britain being seen as a place for para athletics in particular? What

:27:13.:27:20.

is going on? A lot of people recognise 2012 as kind of like the

:27:21.:27:24.

birthplace of the professional era Paralympic sport. We hosted the

:27:25.:27:27.

first Paralympics here and there has been quite a movement by athletes

:27:28.:27:31.

around the world. They just say their experience in GB is better.

:27:32.:27:40.

Definitely, I was in Beijing in 2014 and I think I was shown on TV at

:27:41.:27:44.

about 4am. The coverage was really bad. Now we have the Channel 4

:27:45.:27:48.

coverage, people looked at the Paralympics and were, like, these

:27:49.:27:53.

guys are amazing. Not just, poor disabled girl, bless them. They

:27:54.:27:58.

thought, these are amazing, talented athletes, they have so much together

:27:59.:28:03.

and can hopefully inspire the next generation. Roll on 2019! We wish

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you the best. Week two of Brexit

:28:06.:28:09.

negotiations has ended, We'll be discussing

:28:10.:28:11.

that in just a moment. As MPs go on the holiday, well the

:28:12.:28:17.

negotiations at? Quay Chester Bennington -

:28:18.:28:23.

the lead singer of Linkin Park - has taken his own life

:28:24.:28:25.

at the age of 41. We'll be discussing his musical

:28:26.:28:28.

legacy and his openness in talking about his mental health

:28:29.:28:30.

and the abuse he Comments to bring you about the

:28:31.:28:41.

interview with Faiziah. One tweets, what is wrong with a woman? The crew

:28:42.:28:46.

did the right thing. More vigilance is needed. Caroline says it is not

:28:47.:28:49.

right, but we are where we are, fear is fear and it is naive of the lady

:28:50.:28:53.

to expect otherwise, best keep the book at home. An e-mail from

:28:54.:28:57.

William, if it had a cover saying how to bring down a plane, how to

:28:58.:29:02.

make a bomb or how to join Daesh, they might have had a point. But

:29:03.:29:06.

simply a book with Syria in the title? Paranoia run amok. Now let's

:29:07.:29:08.

join Rachel for a news update. Two people have been killed

:29:09.:29:13.

and around 100 others have been injured on the Greek island of Kos,

:29:14.:29:15.

during a strong earthquake. The tremor struck under

:29:16.:29:18.

the Aegean Sea between Greece Holiday mochas and Kos fine parts of

:29:19.:29:31.

the island turned to rubble and there was flooding in Bodrum as a

:29:32.:29:34.

result of a small tsunami. Air traffic controllers say

:29:35.:29:46.

they expect today to be the busiest on record for flights in and out

:29:47.:29:48.

of the UK. 8,800 flights are scheduled

:29:49.:29:54.

to use British airports over the 24-hour period,

:29:55.:29:56.

as families with school-age children The National Air Traffic Services

:29:57.:29:58.

has warned that the skies above the UK are nearing full

:29:59.:30:01.

capacity, and says the government must invest to provide support

:30:02.:30:04.

for the levels of traffic expected The Government will tell landowners

:30:05.:30:07.

that farm subsidies will have to be earned in future,

:30:08.:30:10.

rather than just handed out. The Environment Secretary,

:30:11.:30:12.

Michael Gove, is due to say that farmers will only get

:30:13.:30:15.

taxpayers' money if they agree to protect the environment

:30:16.:30:17.

and enhance rural life. He believes there is a growing

:30:18.:30:21.

appetite for agricultural support which puts environmental protection

:30:22.:30:24.

first. Tributes have been paid

:30:25.:30:26.

to Chester Bennington, the lead singer of the American rock

:30:27.:30:28.

band Linkin Park, who has The Los Angeles Coroner

:30:29.:30:31.

says he appears to have His bandmates said they were

:30:32.:30:34.

"heartbroken" by the death Join me for BBC Newsroom

:30:35.:30:38.

live at 11 o'clock. Back to Joanna.

:30:39.:30:46.

Thank you, see you later. The second round of The Open

:30:47.:30:50.

is underway at Royal Birkdale. After a topsy-turvey performance

:30:51.:30:58.

from Rory McIlroy yesterday, he's picked up a shot on the first

:30:59.:30:59.

hole and is now on level par. Just three stages to go

:31:00.:31:06.

in the Tour de France, and Chris Froome still has

:31:07.:31:08.

the leader's yellow jersey. His lead was cut to 23

:31:09.:31:10.

seconds yesterday. It's the longest stage

:31:11.:31:12.

of the race today - more than 138 miles -

:31:13.:31:15.

followed by a time trial tomorrow. Hannah Cockroft and Georgina

:31:16.:31:19.

Hermitage both win gold, as Great Britain claimed seven more

:31:20.:31:20.

medals at the Para Athletics World And Manchester United have beaten

:31:21.:31:23.

Manchester City 2-0 overnight, in a pre-season friendly

:31:24.:31:34.

in the United States. New ?75 million signing

:31:35.:31:36.

Romelu Lukaku with their first goal, That is all the sport for now, see

:31:37.:31:39.

you soon. The second week of negotiations

:31:40.:31:51.

over Britain's exit from the European Union has ended

:31:52.:31:59.

with big differences over citizens' rights and the bill the UK

:32:00.:32:01.

will have to pay to leave. Amongst the disagreements: the EU

:32:02.:32:04.

wants rights currently enjoyed by EU citizens in the UK

:32:05.:32:06.

to continue after Brexit. But the UK only wants to do this

:32:07.:32:11.

after the person has lived So with Parliament now having gone

:32:12.:32:14.

into its summer break, Let's talk to Nigel Evans,

:32:15.:32:18.

a Conservative MP who supports leaving the EU, Professor

:32:19.:32:22.

Emily Jones, who's an expert on business negotiations

:32:23.:32:25.

from Oxford University, James McGrory, the Director

:32:26.:32:29.

of Open Britain, who wants Britain to keep a close

:32:30.:32:33.

relationship with Europe, and Professor Dennis Novy,

:32:34.:32:37.

who's an economist from Nigel Evans, has it been a good few

:32:38.:32:47.

days? I think so, really pleased that negotiations are into the

:32:48.:32:51.

second round and looking forward to leaving the European Union, which

:32:52.:32:57.

means we are not just ruled by the European courts, we will have on

:32:58.:33:02.

trial over immigration and budgets. Unsurprisingly, we will be an

:33:03.:33:05.

independent country again. What is being achieved? It has shone a light

:33:06.:33:11.

on areas of division. Absolutely, that is what a negotiation is all

:33:12.:33:15.

about. Theresa May said there would be no running commentary, but we do

:33:16.:33:20.

seem to get to know that bets from the negotiations between David Davis

:33:21.:33:26.

and Michel Barnier, areas where there are real problems over the

:33:27.:33:29.

rights of European Union citizens in the UK. They wanted to be decided by

:33:30.:33:35.

the European courts. But when Michel Barnier was asked, could you name a

:33:36.:33:38.

European country where the rate of the citizens of that country are

:33:39.:33:42.

justifiable by a foreign court? You could not. There are areas where

:33:43.:33:47.

Michel Barnier has to recognise there will be some give. It is what

:33:48.:33:51.

negotiations are about. James, what do you think about the negotiations?

:33:52.:33:57.

They have not done brilliantly, progress has been absent and this is

:33:58.:33:59.

supposed to be the easy stuff before the thorny issues of trade and

:34:00.:34:05.

security and the meat of the issue does not start until the autumn. The

:34:06.:34:08.

divorce bill was never going to be easy. No, but citizens' rights

:34:09.:34:12.

should be easy and one of the few areas Nigel and I agree on. What

:34:13.:34:16.

does not help is when the Foreign Secretary, supposed do me --

:34:17.:34:22.

supposed to be the leading the couple met at the go whistle. You

:34:23.:34:27.

can have a disagreement about the level of the bill, everybody accepts

:34:28.:34:31.

that, but to tell your allies to go whistle, it is quite juvenile. It is

:34:32.:34:38.

colourful language from Boris. The fact is when they come up with a

:34:39.:34:42.

figure of 100 billion which is what is being talked about... That is

:34:43.:34:48.

what we see newspapers, 100 billion. Should the Foreign Secretary and

:34:49.:34:51.

anybody else involved in the negotiations rise above the

:34:52.:34:55.

newspapers? Yes, but what I think, and I hope we can all agree, if we

:34:56.:35:02.

negotiate on whatever that divorce bill is and for every pound we give

:35:03.:35:06.

them, and that means it is a pound we could be spending on our own

:35:07.:35:10.

people, British taxpayers' money, and I will fight hard to make sure

:35:11.:35:15.

we pay our obligations whatever they happen to be as far as pensions and

:35:16.:35:18.

other obligations and programmes we have signed up to beyond 2019. But

:35:19.:35:26.

they have to say exactly where our obligations are and how much money

:35:27.:35:29.

there is. In any divorce settlement, if somebody says, I want 5 million,

:35:30.:35:34.

they have to prove exactly how it is... If it is a figure heading in

:35:35.:35:41.

the direction of 100 billion... But that is what Boris is saying, they

:35:42.:35:46.

can go whistle, it is absurd figures. It is like me trying to

:35:47.:35:50.

sell you my house and telling you it is worth ten million and you know it

:35:51.:35:53.

is only worth quarter of a million, I can quite rightly go whistle!

:35:54.:35:57.

Emily Jones, what are your thoughts at the end of this week

:35:58.:36:03.

negotiations? As you have seen with the media, it is reporting a

:36:04.:36:06.

deadlock with little progress and this was to be expected, the divorce

:36:07.:36:09.

bill was always going to be contentious. My concern at the

:36:10.:36:14.

moment is the UK is very much reacting to the EU and I would like

:36:15.:36:17.

the UK to be more on a front foot and coming forward with more

:36:18.:36:22.

proposals. And to see the negotiations becoming more

:36:23.:36:24.

constructive. If we are discussing Aditi gritty, there has to be a lot

:36:25.:36:31.

more broad consensus about the divorce bill and citizens' rights.

:36:32.:36:36.

How much can we judge really about what is going on? What we see is the

:36:37.:36:41.

grandstanding, but no deal is better than a bad steel, putting out clear

:36:42.:36:47.

messages that you are prepared to walk away -- a bad deal. You want to

:36:48.:36:54.

appear tough at the outset. Is it different behind closed doors? One

:36:55.:36:58.

hopes so, it is hard to have a constructive dialogue when outside,

:36:59.:37:01.

you are making threats. Those threats do not help, as you suggest,

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and were perhaps not prepared to walk away and now the party has a

:37:07.:37:11.

strong hand. I would like to see fewer of those threats to walk away

:37:12.:37:17.

and more constructive phases of negotiations. When I hear somebody

:37:18.:37:23.

saying we have not got a very strong hand, we have got a trade deficit

:37:24.:37:28.

with the European Union of ?80 billion. You talk to any German MPs

:37:29.:37:33.

who represent, any fracturing constituencies and ask if we have a

:37:34.:37:40.

strong hand, yes, we have. -- any car manufacturing constituencies. I

:37:41.:37:43.

think we have got a very strong hand. It does not help David Davis

:37:44.:37:49.

when you hear people in Britain... We have not from -- we have not

:37:50.:37:57.

heard from you, Dennis. It is just voodoo economic. The fact is the

:37:58.:38:04.

British people are already paying inflation, real wages are going down

:38:05.:38:07.

and people going on holidays and they will really feel prices have

:38:08.:38:10.

gone up and living standards gone down. Because the pound went down so

:38:11.:38:16.

much. We see it every day now how investment is down and especially in

:38:17.:38:21.

the car industry, Nigel, this is really hurting people in Britain. I

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think the most positive development has been that Britain has moved away

:38:26.:38:30.

from some kind of foreign Galaxy and there is now a realisation that,

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well, there has to be a bill that needs to be paid because it is not a

:38:35.:38:38.

charity payment, it is legal obligations. There will have to be a

:38:39.:38:44.

transitional agreement as well, there is in fighting left, right and

:38:45.:38:47.

centre in the Conservative Party at the moment and Britain needs to come

:38:48.:38:51.

down to reality. What is happening day in and day out with businesses.

:38:52.:38:55.

With the infighting within the Conservative Party and their seeming

:38:56.:39:01.

to be no settled view with everybody on board, that is seen from

:39:02.:39:06.

Brussels. It is seen by Brussels. And it is the same in the Labour

:39:07.:39:11.

Party, as we know, Jeremy Corbyn's views are not the same as others.

:39:12.:39:18.

The Tory government is negotiating. Yes, it is not helpful to see on the

:39:19.:39:22.

front pages of newspapers that we are in a weak position or we have to

:39:23.:39:26.

cave in here everything that Michel Barnier wants, he is going to get.

:39:27.:39:31.

What should there be, a news blackout? No, people need to be more

:39:32.:39:34.

polished, quite frankly, about Britain's prospects. The Germans

:39:35.:39:40.

exported 810,000 cars to the UK last year. They will want to carry on

:39:41.:39:46.

doing that. And the fact the pound went down, you can be negative about

:39:47.:39:51.

the prospects are people going abroad, I will go to Italy on Monday

:39:52.:39:58.

and no doubt it will cost me more. We have had evidence now since the

:39:59.:40:00.

referendum and you are living on a prayer. I was in China just last

:40:01.:40:07.

week. The Chinese are baffled, white on Earth would the UK voluntarily

:40:08.:40:11.

give so much power away? They do not care that much about Britain's

:40:12.:40:15.

position, they just think it is going to be much easier for the

:40:16.:40:18.

Chinese to deal with Britain because Britain is so much we can all. That

:40:19.:40:23.

is the reality that everyone outside of your little bubble sees. And

:40:24.:40:28.

Britain has to realise it is not the only place. You talk about China.

:40:29.:40:33.

Talk about Liam Fox going to the USA on Monday where we have a trade

:40:34.:40:37.

surplus of 35 billion even though we do not have a trade deal. Be

:40:38.:40:43.

positive, when you talk it down... It is not talking down, it is

:40:44.:40:47.

realistic. The USA is more interested in doing it had to deal

:40:48.:40:52.

with the European Union because it is a much bigger market, same with

:40:53.:40:57.

Australia... We started on Monday. You cannot negotiate until you are

:40:58.:41:03.

out of the EU and the EU has negotiated with 2013 since the

:41:04.:41:05.

United States and there is a new trade agreement with Japan commit

:41:06.:41:09.

you have to be realistic. There is no trade agreement with Japan, they

:41:10.:41:13.

have started that, it is four years and discussion. What about the media

:41:14.:41:21.

reality that currency weakness has impacted on business and is making

:41:22.:41:26.

it a crisis? It has impacted on business because we exported 8% more

:41:27.:41:31.

food last year because our of far more attractive to the rest of the

:41:32.:41:34.

world, particularly the European Union. It is having a negative

:41:35.:41:38.

impact on businesses operating here. Some. Some negative, some positive,

:41:39.:41:42.

it depends whether you import your products to export it. But this is

:41:43.:41:47.

true, we are exporting more because the value of the pound has gone down

:41:48.:41:53.

to 1.29 as far as the dollar. I have a cheese manufacture that exports ?6

:41:54.:42:01.

million a year. Nigel is putting out nonsense like that, it has been

:42:02.:42:06.

really damaging for the UK economy. All the regulations, the rules of

:42:07.:42:10.

origin red tape that will comment because the UK is leaving the

:42:11.:42:14.

customs union, that will hurt British business so much and in

:42:15.:42:17.

particular the car industry. Nigel, you have to become realistic.

:42:18.:42:22.

Project Fear behind this again. No, it is happening. Is it going to get

:42:23.:42:28.

more expensive forever buddy? Inflation is about 3% and it is now

:42:29.:42:34.

flattening. There are positives and negatives about value of the pound.

:42:35.:42:40.

If I was weak, I would wish I could appreciate my currency. James commit

:42:41.:42:47.

you had been sitting and listening. It is fascinating to be offered hard

:42:48.:42:50.

evidence about what is happening out of the economy and you can talk

:42:51.:42:55.

about businesses and some exporting more, but anybody with a pay packet

:42:56.:42:59.

feels inflation and they see their wages outstripped. They are not

:43:00.:43:03.

doing well and that is fact. You cannot call it a project beer and

:43:04.:43:07.

sake we will wish away the economic factors of Brexit by talking

:43:08.:43:11.

positively. We need an honest debate. One fact you have to

:43:12.:43:15.

concede, every month since we voted to leave the European Union,

:43:16.:43:19.

unemployment in this country has gone down and employment has gone

:43:20.:43:22.

up, we have record levels of employment in this country, backed!

:43:23.:43:27.

And the wages have gone down. I can hear Emily behind me. We're not

:43:28.:43:33.

appreciating his business reaction and the economic reaction to

:43:34.:43:37.

uncertainty. That is the biggest factor contributing to the economic

:43:38.:43:41.

imbalance and downturn we are seeing. Unless we can get clarity

:43:42.:43:45.

from within the Tory party of the type of Brexit that they want and a

:43:46.:43:51.

clear agenda and consensus in cabinets, we have uncertainty and we

:43:52.:43:54.

will see for sure Asians. The biggest challenge at the moment is

:43:55.:44:01.

the visions within the Tory party. Thank you very much. We will talk

:44:02.:44:02.

again! Thanks a lot. Blair Logan has admitted

:44:03.:44:10.

murdering his brother and attempting to murder his brother's girlfriend

:44:11.:44:12.

in a New Year's Day house fire, in a plea

:44:13.:44:14.

at the High Court in Glasgow. He poured petrol on his younger

:44:15.:44:20.

brother and the bed he was sharing with Rebecca Williams as they slept

:44:21.:44:22.

in East Dunbartonshire this year. Our correspondent is outside the

:44:23.:44:26.

High Court in Glasgow, tells what happened. As you say, the

:44:27.:44:32.

27-year-old came to the court and pleaded guilty to murdering his

:44:33.:44:37.

younger brother Cameron. Attempting to murder Cameron's girlfriend

:44:38.:44:43.

Rebecca Williams and endangering the lives of his parents Cathy and David

:44:44.:44:48.

Logan. The background to the story was it was New Year's Eve, the

:44:49.:44:55.

family had been celebrating in the House and Bex and Cameron went to a

:44:56.:44:59.

party in Milngavie outside Glasgow. They left the house at 9:45pm and

:45:00.:45:05.

returned home and were picked up by David Logan at about 4am and brought

:45:06.:45:10.

home and they went to bed. The dog barked at seven o'clock in the

:45:11.:45:14.

morning and Cameron and the mother of Blair Logan woke up and she went

:45:15.:45:20.

down the stairs and she saw a man in dark clothing standing in the living

:45:21.:45:24.

room. That is where Bex and Cameron was sleeping. Bex awoke and she saw

:45:25.:45:29.

a man saying in dark clothing, holding something in his hand and

:45:30.:45:34.

she did not know who it was. There were screams from Cameron and Bex

:45:35.:45:38.

and David Logan the father came running down the stairs to do what

:45:39.:45:39.

he could. We had more background to this, that

:45:40.:45:53.

Blair Logan and Cameron Logan, there was hostility between the brothers.

:45:54.:45:57.

Bex Williams said the two boys didn't speak and that he had looked

:45:58.:46:01.

on his computer to see what would be the effects of Burns. He said he did

:46:02.:46:06.

not intend to kill his brother, or indeed Bex, or endanger his parents.

:46:07.:46:10.

But he did say that he did do it. He had doused Cameron in petrol and set

:46:11.:46:13.

fire to the bed. He admitted doing that. He will be sentenced next

:46:14.:46:18.

month on the 11th of August at Livingston High Court.

:46:19.:46:23.

Thank you for all of the comments you have been sending through on the

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British woman questioned by anti-terror police after reading a

:46:28.:46:34.

book on Syrian heart on a Thomson flight. -- Syrian art. One reviewer

:46:35.:46:39.

says, I am a white grey-haired lady, would I have been arrested for

:46:40.:46:43.

reading that book? Another says, people are sick of being knifed and

:46:44.:46:49.

bombed, and as soon as you try to do a thing about it, getting wind up.

:46:50.:46:53.

Another says she will wait a long time for an apology, please don't

:46:54.:46:58.

apologise for conducting lawful inquiries. Another says that the

:46:59.:47:05.

cabin crew's response was proportionate. Heather says we need

:47:06.:47:10.

terrorism vigilance, but once authorities start questioning what

:47:11.:47:12.

we are reading, it is the thin edge of the wedge. Faizah was reported to

:47:13.:47:18.

authorities by Thomson cabin crew. Thompson say their staff were being

:47:19.:47:22.

vigilant. I spoke to her early and asked her what happened. I was on my

:47:23.:47:27.

way to my honeymoon, to Turkey. I was recommended this book in a

:47:28.:47:31.

literature Festival. I started reading it in the UK and decided to

:47:32.:47:36.

finish it on the flight to Turkey. Whilst I was reading it, a cabin

:47:37.:47:39.

crew member on the plane saw me reading the book and reported me to

:47:40.:47:44.

the counterterrorism police. Did you know immediately that had happened?

:47:45.:47:50.

No, they did not approach me. Nothing suggested whilst I was on

:47:51.:47:53.

the flight that they had any concerns about me reading the book.

:47:54.:47:59.

Nothing at all. What was the first you knew? When I returned after my

:48:00.:48:04.

two week holiday to the UK and I was queueing up in passport control to

:48:05.:48:07.

find two anti-terrorism police officers waiting for me. What did

:48:08.:48:13.

they say? When they approached me, they asked me, they had to do a

:48:14.:48:17.

routine check. I asked what was regarding and they said it was

:48:18.:48:19.

regarding a book that was reported by a member of the cabin crew. What

:48:20.:48:26.

happened then? I was taken in for questioning. I was given a leaflet

:48:27.:48:33.

to explain I was being interviewed under the Terrorism Act, clearly

:48:34.:48:36.

saying I had no rights and I had to answer the questions, and if I

:48:37.:48:41.

didn't I would be detained. At that point, I knew that I had done

:48:42.:48:45.

nothing wrong, so I happily went with the police officers to be

:48:46.:48:50.

questioned. My husband was with me. When they realised he was my

:48:51.:48:54.

husband, they took me alongside him. How long did it questioning go on

:48:55.:49:01.

for? Approximately 30 minutes. They asked me about the book, what it

:49:02.:49:05.

regarded, what language as I speak, the purposes of my trip. I said it

:49:06.:49:09.

was my honeymoon. They asked me what I did for a living. They asked me a

:49:10.:49:13.

lot of questions until they were reassured I was safe to go. On what

:49:14.:49:19.

you do for a living, you have worked with Prevent? Part of my role last

:49:20.:49:23.

year in the NHS was safeguarding children at risk of being

:49:24.:49:28.

radicalised. I would work with Prevent and sit on a panel to work

:49:29.:49:34.

around mental health, and children that were at risk of being

:49:35.:49:38.

radicalised. It sounds like it was a situation that was dealt with quite

:49:39.:49:45.

quickly. A year on, you are going to court to try to get an apology. Why?

:49:46.:49:50.

After my experience last year, I wrote a complaint to Thomson and

:49:51.:49:54.

they did not respond to the complaint. It was only when I made

:49:55.:49:59.

my appearance on Channel 4 that they responded with a very minimal

:50:00.:50:02.

response, saying they were sorry about the way I felt and that they

:50:03.:50:08.

have to be vigilant. After that, I sought legal advice and decided to

:50:09.:50:14.

approach this with a legal claim, under the Equality Act. What they

:50:15.:50:19.

say is that they are sorry if you are unhappy with how you feel, with

:50:20.:50:26.

how you were treated, I will read a statement. We wrote to her to

:50:27.:50:31.

explain our crew undergo general safety and security awareness

:50:32.:50:33.

training. As part of this, they are encouraged to be vigilant and share

:50:34.:50:37.

any information or questions with relevant authorities, who would act

:50:38.:50:40.

as appropriate. We appreciate in this incident that she may have felt

:50:41.:50:45.

that over caution had been exercised, but our crew are trained

:50:46.:50:49.

to report any concerns they may have as a precaution. A lot of people

:50:50.:50:56.

watching would think, well, that is understandable. We are in dangerous

:50:57.:51:06.

times, there are security concerns, better safe than sorry? Yellow

:51:07.:51:09.

marker I understand that security is important, and I would want to make

:51:10.:51:14.

sure it is thoroughly done. I think it is the sense of proportion. What

:51:15.:51:18.

could have been done instead of taking extreme measures of reporting

:51:19.:51:22.

me to anti-terrorism police, perhaps simply speaking to me, asking me

:51:23.:51:26.

what the book was regarding, taking me aside. Faizah Shaheen, talking to

:51:27.:51:28.

me earlier. Tributes have been paid

:51:29.:51:29.

to Chester Bennington, the lead singer of the American rock

:51:30.:51:31.

band Linkin Park, who has # I've become so tired,

:51:32.:51:34.

so much more aware # Is be more like me

:51:35.:51:45.

and be less like you... He became famous for songs such

:51:46.:51:53.

as Numb, the band have sold more than 70 million albums worldwide

:51:54.:51:56.

and won two Grammy Awards. Linkin Park's biggest

:51:57.:52:00.

album was Hybrid Theory Only four albums released

:52:01.:52:02.

since the year 2000 have sold They are Adele's 21, the Beatles' 1

:52:03.:52:08.

and Eminem's The Marshall Mathers LP The Los Angeles coroner

:52:09.:52:12.

says he appears to have He is survived by his six

:52:13.:52:15.

children and his wife. Friends and fellow artists have been

:52:16.:52:22.

paying tribute. Well, let's talk to Steve Holden,

:52:23.:52:57.

from the BBC Newsbeat team, who interviewed Chester a few months

:52:58.:53:02.

ago. We also joined by the editor of rock magazine Kerrang. Tell us more

:53:03.:53:13.

about his impact? You can't underestimate the impact of Hybrid

:53:14.:53:16.

Theory, the soundtrack of many people's school and college life.

:53:17.:53:20.

But then on to the world wide spectrum, sold 30 million copies and

:53:21.:53:24.

is the biggest selling debut album released since the millennium. What

:53:25.:53:28.

they did well was they blended metal and hard rock elements, along with

:53:29.:53:33.

rap and hip-hop and created a new genre, called nu-metal, that they

:53:34.:53:42.

were the most successful act. They released an album a couple of months

:53:43.:53:46.

ago. We did an interview and you hear Linkin Park's songs, and he has

:53:47.:53:52.

a very angry, Powerhouse vocal. In person, he was warm, sweet,

:53:53.:53:56.

articulate and extremely open. The lead single from the most recent

:53:57.:54:01.

album was called Heavy. I asked him where the influence and control.

:54:02.:54:04.

I just said, "Do you guys really want to know

:54:05.:54:07.

Somebody really close to me just tried to commit suicide

:54:08.:54:11.

and survived and, like, I'm dealing with that.

:54:12.:54:13.

Yeah, and, like, this is what's going on, this is what's going on.

:54:14.:54:16.

It was one of those things - do I go?

:54:17.:54:21.

It was really hard and really confusing and really sad.

:54:22.:54:25.

Any day of the week it could have been something different.

:54:26.:54:27.

Sometimes it just feels like life is testing you.

:54:28.:54:30.

And that is what's come out on this record.

:54:31.:54:32.

It's more like a snapshot in real time of things that were happening

:54:33.:54:35.

So in that way it is, like, yeah, super-personal.

:54:36.:54:39.

All the songs we write about come from a personal place,

:54:40.:54:42.

This time, it's like I'm having this feeling right now.

:54:43.:54:54.

He was saying sometimes it feels like life is testing me. In 2008, he

:54:55.:55:04.

revealed to Kerrang that he was abused as a child. How much of an

:55:05.:55:11.

impact did that have on his life? Well, as we were just saying, he was

:55:12.:55:20.

an incredibly thoughtful, sensitive, open soul. He was an artist that

:55:21.:55:29.

didn't hold anything back. How we feel today, as a magazine team,

:55:30.:55:39.

knowing him very well, from year zero, the first day that Linkin Park

:55:40.:55:44.

where a thing, it wasn't like we were looking for clues, it wasn't

:55:45.:55:47.

like these messages were coded. It was all out there. I think one of

:55:48.:55:52.

the things we actually feeling today, and I think a lot of people

:55:53.:55:57.

are thinking, is there anything we could have done? It wasn't like this

:55:58.:56:04.

guy was being coded about anything, these messages that he was suffering

:56:05.:56:10.

were very explicit. That is busy something that anybody who knows

:56:11.:56:12.

somebody who has taken their own life will feel. In the end, people

:56:13.:56:25.

go down their own path. In terms of whether he was getting help for what

:56:26.:56:28.

he had been through, do you know? Did he? Well, he talked a lot to

:56:29.:56:36.

Kerrang, he talked a lot elsewhere about how the music was his help,

:56:37.:56:42.

music was his outlet. It was the vessel he used to express himself

:56:43.:56:50.

and to explore who he was. I feel the second high-profile passing of a

:56:51.:56:56.

rock star this year, Chris Cornell was a friend of Chester and that was

:56:57.:57:02.

only a month and a half ago. Yesterday would have been Chris

:57:03.:57:09.

Cornell's birthday. I feel like we kind of ask ourselves why are we

:57:10.:57:17.

losing these people? Two in a year, two months apart? Steve, what will

:57:18.:57:26.

be his legacy? You leaves behind an amazing musical legacy? It's his

:57:27.:57:30.

voice, a powerhouse of a voice, instantly recognisable. He has

:57:31.:57:35.

cemented his mark on the musical landscape with that incredible, huge

:57:36.:57:42.

range and voice. There are acoustic versions of his songs were the

:57:43.:57:48.

production strips out and just taking it right back to how he

:57:49.:57:53.

sounds, he is one-of-a-kind. I think Josh from You Me At Six called him

:57:54.:58:01.

once in a generation. Some of the people associate part of their life

:58:02.:58:07.

with that album, Hybrid Theory. Letter sent to that voice before we

:58:08.:58:11.

end... Actually, we're out of time. -- let's listen to that voice.

:58:12.:58:16.

They're going to kill us. GUNSHOT

:58:17.:58:39.

A copper's dead and now they're coming for us.

:58:40.:58:42.

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