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Two people are dead and more than a hundred injured | :00:00. | :00:14. | |
during an earthquake on the Greek island of Kos. | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
They area is a popular with tourists including many from the UK. | :00:17. | :00:26. | |
My mum looked at me and she said, "We've got to get out of here." | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
We'll have the latest and speak to people caught up in the quake. | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
A British woman is demanding an apology after an airline | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
reported her to counter-terrorism police for reading a Syrian | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
People sexually abused as children by Church of England clergy say | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
the system for compensating them is not independent or fair. | :00:49. | :00:58. | |
I have seen a side of the Church that is ugly. That is silencing, | :00:59. | :01:06. | |
that is south preserving. I don't have much faith in the Church, that | :01:07. | :01:13. | |
is the shore. -- that is for certain. | :01:14. | :01:13. | |
And tributes pour in for Linkin' Park lead singer Chester Bennington, | :01:14. | :01:23. | |
We're also talking about the morning after pill and whether it should be | :01:24. | :01:48. | |
One of the biggest companies to sell it, Boots, says the high price | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
reflects the fact a full medical discussion is needed before it's | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning - | :01:55. | :02:09. | |
use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text. | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
Two people have been killed and around | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
100 others have been injured on the Greek island of Kos, | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
The tremor struck under the Aegean Sea between Greece | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
There was also flooding in the Turkish resort of Bodrum, | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
After being shaken from their sleep, locals and tourists on the island | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
of Kos ran into the streets to see the damage. | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
Many holiday makers chose to camp outside their hotels. | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
Officials on the island said two people were killed when the ceiling | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
Most of the injured are not in a serious condition. | :02:46. | :02:55. | |
Some were airlifted to the larger island of Rhodes for treatment. | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
At 1:30am in the morning, we were woken by a tremendous | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
The fans were thrown around, a mirror came off, lasting | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
Myself, my wife and two children just got our stuff as quick | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
And, as we made our way out, there was a second shock. | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
Tremors that lasted a few minutes were enough to damage buildings that | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
British tourist Ricky Shah was in his hotel room at the time. | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
It was for about 30 seconds, you could feel the whole room shake. | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
A few bottles fell off, obviously from the night stand, | :03:28. | :03:29. | |
And then, suddenly, you heard other people kind of... | :03:30. | :03:38. | |
Some children were waking and crying. | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
In the Turkish resort of Bodrum, these people were at a restaurant | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
The small tsunami triggered by the quake led to localised flooding. | :03:49. | :04:00. | |
Authorities report there has been no major damage to the city. | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
But as in Kos, the after-shocks continued. We will keep you updated | :04:07. | :04:16. | |
with that. Rachel Schofield is in the BBC | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
Newsroom with a summary First, our main story, | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
air traffic controllers are warning that UK skies are running out | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
of room for record It comes on what is expected | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
to be the busiest ever day for controllers, | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
with nearly 9,000 flights expected. The skies above us could be busier | :04:31. | :04:32. | |
today than they've ever been, as people set off | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
on their summer holidays. Air-traffic controllers say they're | :04:40. | :04:41. | |
expecting to handle a record 8,800 flights today, | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
and they're warning it NATS, which manages UK airspace, | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
is half owned by government and controls air traffic | :04:48. | :04:58. | |
across the UK. They're expecting more | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
than 770,000 flights Air traffic bosses say they can | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
safely manage the busier skies, but warn passengers of a future risk | :05:04. | :05:11. | |
of regular delays if major changes aren't made to how UK | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
airspace is managed. They want traditional | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
flight paths changed, with more satellite navigation used | :05:22. | :05:23. | |
instead of ground-based radio beacons, to allow | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
aircraft to climb, cruise, The Department of Transport | :05:26. | :05:27. | |
consulted on changing the way our skies are managed | :05:28. | :05:39. | |
earlier in the year, but they're yet And it's not just our skies that | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
will be busier today, the RAC is predicting this | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
weekend our roads will see And Colletta Smith joins us | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
now - from air traffic A great deal of concentration | :05:50. | :06:05. | |
required there today. Yes, I am not getting too close, I do not want to | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
distract the air traffic controllers behind me. These guys are working | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
for Heathrow, some of the busiest air space in the world. Talking to | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
pilots and making sure they can take off and land safely. Someone who | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
knows about that is frankly not one of the air traffic controllers here, | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
normally sitting in front of one of those screens, watching those | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
lights, does it feel like a big responsibility? Rosol used to | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
concentrating on the job, you do not think about it, but off-screen, we | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
know it is a big responsibility and we want to get everybody as quickly | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
as they can and as safely as they can. How many pilots to speak to, | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
how many planes are you in charge of? Each sector works about 10-15 | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
aircraft each time and the rooms but so into how many sectors we need to | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
get how many planes were working. What are you saying to these pilots? | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
How'd you control them? The pilots want to go somewhere. That is how it | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
works. They take off or go somewhere or they are coming in, we send them | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
where they are going and get their level instructions right so they are | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
at the levels they need to be and the places they need to be at. The | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
right height, basically. So height and turn instructions, and transfer | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
instructions for the next controllers to give them a job. And | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
all the ones crossing have to cross safely and do not have a problem | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
with each other. Does it feel like a busy time? We are facing a record | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
day, stuff ready for it? Yes, stuff or always ready here, we will take | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
whatever comes, it is definitely one of the busiest summers I have known | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
and we have felt its building up. I am sure July will always be the | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
busiest times we expect for it. It is great to know you are always in | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
control when we are taking off and landing in airspace in the UK and | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
what is expected to be an incredibly easy weekend is not just in the | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
skies, but on the roads as well. When the very much indeed. | :08:01. | :08:02. | |
The former American football star OJ Simpson is to be released | :08:03. | :08:09. | |
from prison this autumn after serving nine years of a | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
In 1995, Simpson was acquitted of the murder of his ex-wife | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend, turning him into one of the most | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
His parole hearing was broadcast on US television. | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
Our Los Angeles correspondent, James Cook, reports. | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
It was the trial of the century, an American superstar accused | :08:27. | :08:28. | |
of stabbing to death his ex-wife and her friend. | :08:29. | :08:37. | |
OJ Simpson had been arrested after a low-speed car chase | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
across Los Angeles, broadcast live to a nation in shock. | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
OJ Simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder. | :08:43. | :08:51. | |
He was arrested in LA for raiding a hotel room in 2007 to reclaim | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
sporting memorabilia he said was his. | :08:56. | :08:56. | |
Nine years later, he appeared before the Parole Board | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
I've done it as well and as respectfully as anyone can. | :08:59. | :09:17. | |
If you talk to the wardens, they'll tell you. | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
I gave them my word, I believe in the jury system. | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
And the Parole Board accepted that argument. | :09:23. | :09:24. | |
So, based on all of that, Mr Simpson, I do vote to grant | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
More than 20 years after his sensational acquittal, it's clear | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
that OJ Simpson still commands an audience. | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
Millions of Americans tuned in to his parole hearing. | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
One recent poll suggests that only 7% of Americans now think | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
that the fallen star is not a killer. | :09:41. | :09:53. | |
A year after being questioned by counter-terrorism police | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
for reading a Syrian art book on a plane, a British woman says | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
she is being forced to go to court to get an apology. | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
Faizah Shaheen was reported to authorities by Thomson cabin crew | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
on her honeymoon flight to Turkey reading "Syria Speaks: Art | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
Thomson say their staff were being vigilant. | :10:10. | :10:20. | |
Tolls on the Severn Bridges will be scrapped for all vehicles by the end | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
of next year. Ministers say the decision will boost the region's | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
economy. Motorists who regularly use the bridges could save as much as | :10:30. | :10:31. | |
?1400 a year. Tributes have been paid | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
to Chester Bennington, the lead singer of the American rock | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
band Linkin Park, who has The Los Angeles coroner | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
says he appears to have His bandmates said they were | :10:40. | :10:51. | |
"heartbroken" by the death That's a summary of | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us | :10:58. | :10:59. | |
throughout the morning - use the hashtag #Victorialive, | :11:00. | :11:08. | |
and if you text, you will be charged Bring us up-to-date with the Open, | :11:09. | :11:22. | |
what is happening? Yes, good morning. Nobody has moved | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
up the leaderboard, but Paul Casey has dropped a shot and the weather | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
is going to play a big part in this tournament, experiencing typical | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
British summer weather Royal Birkdale! This is the current | :11:36. | :11:49. | |
leaderboard. Jordan Spieth, Brooks, Koepka at the top. But the story of | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
the date is Rory Mclroy, he had trouble in recent months and he has | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
missed the cut and it might have been on his mind as | :11:59. | :11:59. | |
made a terrible start yesterday, five over par after six holes, he | :12:00. | :12:06. | |
did turn it around on the back nine, he pulled out four birdies. The | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
reason for his improved performance, he says a good talking to from his | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
caddie. I am proud of myself hanging in there. I needed to stay as | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
positive as I could. And I wasn't very positive. My caddie JP, he was | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
a big help today. He was trying to keep me as positive as possible out | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
there and trying to remind me that I have won this thing before, do not | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
feel any pressure, play your game and you will be OK. The last 12 | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
holes, that is what I did and thankfully I am still in this golf | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
tournament. Yes, just about. He tees off at 9:48 a:m.. The power of | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
positive thinking! What about the para athletics | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
Championships? What a time Hannah | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
Cockroft is having. She remains undefeated | :12:59. | :13:00. | |
at major competitions. A third gold medal to become | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
a ten-time world champion. No wonder they call | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
her Hurricane Hannah! She swept past competition in T34 | :13:09. | :13:09. | |
women's 400m to retain her title. A championship record | :13:10. | :13:19. | |
of 58.3 seconds. That brings Britain's tally to 28 | :13:20. | :13:21. | |
medals, including 13 golds, third in the leaderboard behind | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
China and the US. We will speak to some of the | :13:25. | :13:38. | |
athletes later in the show. And finally, can anyone catch Chris | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
Froome at the Tour de France? Delicately poised, | :13:42. | :13:43. | |
Chris Froome is just three stages away from winning | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
his 4th Tour de France. He's the favourite, | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
although his lead was cut by four The battle for the yellow jersey | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
went all the way to the line. Romain Bardet finished | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
just ahead of Froome He's now 23 behind | :13:55. | :13:56. | |
Froome in the standings. It's the longest stage | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
of the Tour today - more than 138 miles - | :14:01. | :14:02. | |
followed by a time trial tomorrow. Imagine what that will do to his | :14:03. | :14:16. | |
legs! So it is going to be interesting. See you later at 9:30 | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
a:m.. Thank you very much, see you later. | :14:21. | :14:22. | |
People sexually abused as children by Church of England clergy | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
are criticising the close links between the company dealing | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
with their compensation claims and the Church. | :14:29. | :14:38. | |
The insurer, Ecclesiastical, which has advised the Church | :14:39. | :14:40. | |
to settle many compensation claims - has had a string of senior | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
members of the clergy on its board of directors. | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
It is a miserable milestone in the history of child sexual abuse and | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
the church. We are talking about the Church of England today. On | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
Wednesday, the German church published a report into abuse of | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
choirboys at a school. Next week, the Catholic Church's most senior | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
official will appear in court proceedings in Melbourne. So, a | :15:13. | :15:19. | |
tough week. This particular story concerns the way an individual was | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
treated after he disclosed, and was verified, that he had been the | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
victim of abuse. The case really concerns what happens when an | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
individual who trusted the church, trusted the pastoral leaders of the | :15:35. | :15:40. | |
church, ends up being abused, and then makes a disclosure to the | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
church. What actually happens? Well, the church has a pastoral | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
responsibility to that individual. The ongoing care, if you like, of | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
that individual. In this case, the individual you will see in this | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
piece in a moment did not want to break away from the church. At the | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
same time, the church insurer is involved in discussions of a legal | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
nature, in terms of compensation. It is the clash of those forces that is | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
brought out in this story. Let's see that report now. | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
I think, like many survivors and victims, | :16:15. | :16:16. | |
I've struggled through life, I've limped through life. | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
The wounds in me are not obvious, but I'm bipolar, I've had long-term | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
mental health illness, I was a school failure. | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
Gilo reflects on a life disfigured by sexual abuse. | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
It was here in this church in the City of London where a young | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
As an adult, he tried to tell senior members of the Church | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
The Church finally acknowledged his experience two years ago, | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
but instead of emphasising pastoral support, they instructed | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
the Church's insurer to negotiate compensation. | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
I think because of the relationship that the Church has | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
with the insurers, the pastoral response is so fused | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
with the legal response, so it's really effectively | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
But the Church of England doesn't legally own the insurer, | :17:06. | :17:14. | |
so it's perfectly fine, presumably, for an insurer | :17:15. | :17:16. | |
I think when that insurer has got such significant presence of senior | :17:17. | :17:25. | |
clerics on its board across the years, then | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
you're into an area of moral responsibility. | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
Ecclesiastical Insurance Group is the firm that advised the church | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
to settle Gilo's case, but it has historical | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
links with the Church, founded by bishops and with senior | :17:42. | :17:43. | |
That, say abuse victims, creates a clear conflict of interest. | :17:44. | :17:56. | |
Their view was supported by this man, Ian Elliott, | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
an internationally-respected expert in child safeguarding who produced | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
a report on Gilo's case for the Church of England. | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
The advice identified in the report directly conflicted with those | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
pastoral responsibilities, and I highlighted that. | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
So are you saying there's a tension between the way clergy may | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
want to respond pastorally towards someone making these | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
allegations and the approach that's advocated by the insurance company? | :18:24. | :18:30. | |
On this particular occasion, I absolutely am saying that. | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
John Titchener is group compliance director | :18:34. | :18:34. | |
Can you understand why a victim of sexual abuse who might be | :18:35. | :18:44. | |
in litigation with the Church of England would be concerned that | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
a senior member of the Church was sitting on the board | :18:49. | :18:50. | |
Well, our job as an insurer is to handle claims in accordance | :18:51. | :18:58. | |
with our regulatory duties and responsibilities... | :18:59. | :19:00. | |
I understand that, but I'm asking you if you understand the concern | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
that victims of abuse might have when they hear that members | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
of the board of Ecclesiastical are also senior members | :19:12. | :19:13. | |
Well, we have one member of the clergy on our board of 11, | :19:14. | :19:21. | |
and nonexecutive directors do not involve themselves in | :19:22. | :19:23. | |
the operational detail of how the business is run. | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
But the composition of Ecclesiastical's board is not | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
the most damning aspect of the report. | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
Ian Elliott says that when the Church eventually | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
acknowledged Gilo's suffering, it was quickly advised | :19:37. | :19:38. | |
Clearly unacceptable, and I said that, clearly unacceptable. | :19:39. | :19:46. | |
That direction, or that advice, is not compliant | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
with a compassionate pastoral response, which is the stated | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
It's not a secular organisation, it's a church. | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
The Church exists on foundational principles. | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
So you're saying the Church's focus should be principally driven | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
Not just the Church of England, but any church. | :20:07. | :20:16. | |
John Titchener of Ecclesiastical Insurance. | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
Why did Ecclesiastical Insurance advise the Bishop handling this case | :20:22. | :20:23. | |
to cut off all communications with the victim? | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
Well, you're quoting from the Elliott Review... | :20:29. | :20:30. | |
We were not asked to participate in the Elliott Review, | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
and had we been asked we would have provided the information | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Peter Hancock, is now the most | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
senior clergyman responsible for safeguarding issues, | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
and strongly disagrees with the Church's insurer. | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
Would it surprise you to learn that Ecclesiastical Insurance Group | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
rejects the findings of the Elliott Review? | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
I'd want to take an entirely different position to that. | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
The Archbishop very clearly, in a very determined way, | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
accepted all those recommendations, and one of my roles as the lead | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
Bishop for safeguarding is to make sure that those recommendations | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
are monitored and evaluated and, more importantly, acted upon. | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
Another place, another time, the same complaint. | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
At Kendall House in Kent, a Church of England home for young girls, | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
residents were found to have been drugged and assaulted. | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
A settlement was reached with some victims by lawyers | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
from the church's insurers, Ecclesiastical. | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
Theresa Cooper was one of the victims. | :21:34. | :21:35. | |
I think there needs to be an investigation | :21:36. | :21:37. | |
into the Ecclesiastical insurance company and the Church of England, | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
and the way their solicitors are dealing with legal cases. | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
They're too involved with the Church of England, you know. | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
Even if they're not legally part of it, the Church | :21:51. | :21:52. | |
are without a doubt fully involved in the Ecclesiastical | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
Again, we put Theresa Cooper's allegations to John Titchener | :21:56. | :22:04. | |
In fact, there is an investigation into exactly that through | :22:05. | :22:11. | |
the independent inquiry, which we're participating in, | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
and in fact we gave evidence last November where we spoke about how | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
we handle sensitive claims of this nature, and we received | :22:18. | :22:19. | |
plaudits at it for how we approach these claims. | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
You're not receiving plaudits from the individual survivors. | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
They are accusing you of impeding the pastoral process. | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
You are saying they are not telling the truth? | :22:35. | :22:37. | |
Well, no, as I say, the report is based on factual inaccuracies, | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
and we have been absolutely clear before and after that pastoral care | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
and counselling can, and should, continue in parallel | :22:48. | :22:49. | |
Gilo wants the church to learn from his appalling experience. | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
He says it must change the relationship with its insurer, | :22:57. | :22:58. | |
removing members of clergy from its board. | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
But any such change will now come too late for him. | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
I've seen a side of the church that is ugly, that is silencing, | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
that is self preserving, that is reluctant to really embrace | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
and engage with very key, critical issues. | :23:18. | :23:24. | |
I don't have much faith in the church, that's for sure. | :23:25. | :23:34. | |
Now we can speak to the Bishop of Buckingham, | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
Thank you for joining us. Do you believe that legal advice can be in | :23:41. | :23:51. | |
conflict with the pastoral role of the church? Yes. I think it is a | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
very odd relationship with anybody if it is conducted entirely through | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
lawyers. Imagine if my relationship with my next door neighbour was | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
conducted through lawyers, it would become a very weird relationship | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
very quickly indeed. I am a pastor, that is what I was ordained to be. | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
My sense is that we need to begin with survivors and their | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
experiences. Not just because we should be nice to survivors, but if | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
you read the parable of the good Samaritan, you don't walk by, you | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
stop and help the person bleeding in the road. That should be our primary | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
concern. When you hear Gilo saying he has seen a side of the church | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
that is silencing of self preserving, what do you think? I | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
think that side of the churches there and we need to do something | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
about it. How large a part of the church do you think it is? This is | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
humans we are talking about, as you have described, who are there | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
because they want to help, presumably, other humans? I think | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
that there is a kind of culture and the latest report talks about the | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
cultural difference in the church. Imagine I had a complaint against my | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
local police force in Thames Valley, and the only way I could complain | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
would be to go personally to see the Chief Constable, who then controlled | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
all of the information, all of the complaint and handle this from | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
thereon in. Without an independent safeguarding authority, you know, | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
with the right and ability to do its job properly, I don't see how we are | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
going to shift this mess. It has been a long time coming, hasn't it? | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
Over the years there have been so many cases of people accused within | :25:35. | :25:41. | |
the church who have not been treated -- people abused within the Church | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
you have not been treated as they should have been, and this seems to | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
have been a greater desire to protect members of the clergy than | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
help those that have suffered? That is Gilo's experience and he is not | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
alone. As a bishop, we need to take that seriously and do something | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
about it. Just hand-wringing and hoping you can just generate a load | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
of apologies and that will be a substitute for doing anything about | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
it, it really isn't. If you are sorry for something, you need to do | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
something about it, not just tell everybody how sorry you are and hope | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
it will go away. Do you have faith something will change? I think there | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
are lots of signs that are positive. Certainly, the music that is coming | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
out of the church now is that it wants to take safeguarding much more | :26:24. | :26:26. | |
seriously than was the case in the past. There is also a message that | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
that was then, this is now. I don't think that is true. I think a lot of | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
the attitudes, the culture and problems that Gilo experienced are | :26:36. | :26:38. | |
still things that happen in church. I think we need to do something | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
about them. When you say it is still things that happen in church, as in | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
in terms of historical cases of abuse being treated this way, all | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
these things are still happening? I think both. I think the culture is | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
still very active. The culture of deference, of protecting the | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
institution. The world of Ecclesiastical lawyers has a very | :27:01. | :27:03. | |
small world. The first thing bishops do when somebody alleges something | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
as thrown of the registrar, who is a lawyer, and ask him what to do. All | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
of these things distort the process, as does the involvement of the | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
insurance business. That is a thing that Gilo is particularly energised | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
about. There is a big culture there. I think we need to have an | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
Independent safeguarding authority. It needs to have the ability to do | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
its job properly. We also need, and this is church policy, actually, | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
statutory reporting so that it becomes an offence not to report. | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
Another aspect of this is the way that people don't say. I had a case | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
of domestic abuse in a vicarage a few years ago where the churchwarden | :27:45. | :27:46. | |
knew what was going on but didn't report anything until the person had | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
moved. We have got to tackle that problem and get people to report | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
when they know there is something anomalous going on so that something | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
can be done about it. It is a big cultural problem. I think the next | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
step has to be to have a truly independent safeguarding authority, | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
with competence in the authority to tackle this problem head-on. Martin, | :28:08. | :28:14. | |
two very clear suggestions, an Independent safeguarding authority | :28:15. | :28:16. | |
and statutory reporting. Are they things that are likely to happen? | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
The Church of England, interestingly enough, has issued a statement | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
saying, quote, the Church of England is absolutely committed to its | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
pastoral support to alleged victims and survivors, published new | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
guidance in 2015. They emphasised that the management process needs to | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
be kept separate from legal and insurance responses. The statement | :28:38. | :28:40. | |
goes on to say that the pastoral needs of survivors must never be | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
neglected. I think it has to be conceded that the Church of England | :28:46. | :28:49. | |
has changed the way that it manages these incidents, incidents of | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
disclosure. There is now a bishop who is the head of safeguarding, the | :28:54. | :29:01. | |
Bishop of Bath and Wells. Every diocese has a dedicated leader. | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
Every member of the clergy is trained in safeguarding issues. | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
There has been a revolutionary change. The issue that Bishop Alan | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
mentions is the question that many people have, should the process of | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
managing safeguarding be done by the church itself? Bishop Alan says no, | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
so does Gilo. A question put to me by somebody recently was this. If a | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
member of Kensington and Chelsea Council was found also to be a | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
nonexecutive director on a cladding company, would people feel that was | :29:37. | :29:39. | |
a conflict of interest? That is a very stark and dramatic parallel. I | :29:40. | :29:44. | |
think the answer is that people would object to that. Thank you both | :29:45. | :29:51. | |
very much. Still to come, we will be speaking to the British woman who | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
says she has been forced to go to court to get an apology after she | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
was questioned by counterterrorism police for reading a Syrian art book | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
on a plane. And I have done my time, former American football star and | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
actor OJ Simpson asks for parole after serving nine years for armed | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
robbery. He has got it. We will speak to his former defence lawyer. | :30:12. | :30:19. | |
Rachel Schofield is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :30:20. | :30:21. | |
Two people have been killed and around 100 others have | :30:22. | :30:30. | |
been injured on the Greek island of Kos, during a strong earthquake. | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
The tremor struck under the Aegean Sea between Greece | :30:34. | :30:35. | |
There was also flooding in the Turkish resort of Bodrum, | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
Our Turkey correspondent Mark Lowen has been giving us the latest. | :30:40. | :30:46. | |
From the Greek island of Lesbos not far from the epicentre of the quake | :30:47. | :30:56. | |
which was between Kos and Bodrum, it was quite a large quake, 6.7, and | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
was a fairly shallow quake. It was just over six miles deep into the | :31:01. | :31:08. | |
Aegean Sea. It has caused at least two dead on the Greek island of Kos, | :31:09. | :31:14. | |
one of those we understand is an elderly Turkish citizen, one of | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
Swedish origin, and dozens more injured, five of them seriously | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
injured. Some of them have been airlifted to the larger island of | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
Rhodes. There was structural damage in Kos, the ceiling of a bar | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
collapsed and some of the buildings collapsed. And there were large | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
waves which were felt on both Bodrum and Kos. Both Greece and Turkey are | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
active. Seismically active countries. They are both on | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
significant fault lines. There was a major earthquake in Turkey six years | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
ago that killed 700 people in the East of the country and in 1999, | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
earthquakes and Turkey killed 20,000 people and one in Greece killed 143 | :31:54. | :31:55. | |
people. Air traffic controllers expect be | :31:56. | :32:05. | |
the busiest on record for flights in and out of the UK. 8800 flights are | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
scheduled over the 24-hour period as families with school-age children | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
begin their summer holidays. The national traffic services has warned | :32:16. | :32:18. | |
the skies above the UK are nearing full capacity and says the | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
Government must invest to provide support for the levels of traffic | :32:24. | :32:24. | |
expected over the next decade. The Government will tell landowners | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
that farm subsidies will have to be earned in future, | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
rather than just handed out. The Environment Secretary, | :32:34. | :32:35. | |
Michael Gove, is due to say that farmers will only get | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
taxpayers' money if they agree to protect the environment | :32:39. | :32:40. | |
and enhance rural life. The move is part of what he calls | :32:41. | :32:42. | |
his vision for a "Green Brexit". That's a summary of | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
the latest BBC News. The second round of The Open | :32:47. | :32:48. | |
is underway at Royal Birkdale. Leading Briton Paul Casey has | :32:49. | :33:06. | |
dropped two shots this morning, he's on 2 under par, | :33:07. | :33:12. | |
three shots off the leading trio. Not the start he would have wanted | :33:13. | :33:14. | |
on his 40th birthday. Just three stages to go | :33:15. | :33:17. | |
in the Tour De france and Chris Froome still has | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
the leaders yellow jersey. His lead was cut to 23 | :33:20. | :33:21. | |
seconds yesterday. Those are not the pictures of Chris | :33:22. | :33:23. | |
Froome! It's the longest stage | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
of the race today - more than 138 miles - | :33:27. | :33:28. | |
followed by a time trial tomorrow. There is Chris Froome in the yellow | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
Jersey! Hannah Cockroft and Georgina | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
Hermitage both win gold, as Great Britain claimed seven more | :33:38. | :33:39. | |
medals at the Para Athletics World Brilliant performance from both of | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
them. And Manchester United have beaten | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
Manchester City 2-0 overnight in a pre-season friendly | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
in the United States. New ?75 million signing | :33:51. | :33:52. | |
Romelu Lukaku with their first goal, I bet he's happy with that! That is | :33:53. | :34:08. | |
all the headlines for now, see you at ten o'clock. | :34:09. | :34:08. | |
Thanks very much. A year after being questioned | :34:09. | :34:10. | |
by counter terrorism police for reading a Syrian | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
art book on a plane, a British woman says | :34:16. | :34:17. | |
she is being forced to go Faizah Shaheen was reported | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
to authorities by Thomson cabin crew Thomson say their staff | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
were being vigilant. And also here is Jo Glanville, | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
who's from the free speech organization English PEN, | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
which funded the book This is the book, you are reading it | :34:33. | :34:45. | |
on a flight, what happened? I was on my way to my honeymoon in Turkey and | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
I was recommended this book in a literature Festival so I started | :34:51. | :34:53. | |
reading it in the UK and decided to finish it on the flights to Turkey. | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
Whilst I was reading it, a cabin crew member saw me reading the book | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
and recorded me to the counterterrorism police. Did you | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
know immediately that had happened? Did they approach you? No, they did | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
not approach me, nothing suggested on the flight they had any concerns | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
about me reading this book. Nothing at all. What was the first that | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
happened? The first was when I returned after my two week holiday | :35:22. | :35:24. | |
to the UK and I was queueing up in passport control to find two | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
anti-terrorism police officers waiting for me. What did they say? | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
They approached me and they asked me, they had to do a routine check, | :35:33. | :35:39. | |
they said it was regarding a book reported by a member of the cabin | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
crew. What happened? I was taken in for questioning. I was given a | :35:45. | :35:51. | |
leaflet. The explainer was being questioned under the schedule seven | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
Terrorism Act which clearly said I had no rights and I had and to the | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
questions and divided not, it would be detained. At that point, I knew I | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
had not done anything wrong so I happily went with the police | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
officers to be questioned. My husband was with me and when they | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
realised he was my husband, they took him alongside. How long did the | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
questioning go on? Approximately half an hour. They asked me about | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
the book and what it was regarding, what languages I speak, the purpose | :36:23. | :36:25. | |
of my trip, I said it was my honeymoon. What I do for a living, a | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
lot of questions. They were reassured I was safe. And on what | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
you do for a living, you have worked with Prevent? Yes, part of my role | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
less you in the NHS was safeguarding children at risk of being | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
radicalised. So I would work with Prevent and sit on a panel to work | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
around mental health, children at risk of being radicalised. That is | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
part of my role. It sounds like it was a situation dealt with quite | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
quickly. But now a year later, you are seeking, you want to go to court | :37:02. | :37:07. | |
to get an apology. Why? After my experience last year, I wrote a | :37:08. | :37:14. | |
complaint to Thomson and they did not respond. It was only when I made | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
my appearance on Channel 4 that they responded with the minimal response, | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
saying they were sorry about the way I felt and they have to be vigilant. | :37:23. | :37:31. | |
After that, I took legal advice and decided to approach this with a | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
legal claim and the Equality Act. What they say is... | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
Thomson said they are really sorry if Faizah Shaheen remains unhappy | :37:40. | :37:41. | |
They said they wrote to her to explain that all crew | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
undergo general safety and security awareness training | :37:47. | :37:48. | |
As part of this, they are encouraged to be vigilant and share any | :37:49. | :37:55. | |
information or questions with the relevant authorities. | :37:56. | :37:56. | |
We appreciate that in this instance, Ms Shaheen may have felt that over | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
caution had been exercised, however like all airlines, | :38:01. | :38:02. | |
our crew are trained to report any concerns they may have | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
Most people watching would think, that is understandable. We are in | :38:06. | :38:20. | |
dangerous times. There are security concerns and is it not better to be | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
safe than sorry? I completely understand it is security that is | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
important and I would want to make sure security is thoroughly done. We | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
have discussed this earlier. But it is that sense of proportion. What | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
could have been done instead of taking the extreme measure of | :38:39. | :38:41. | |
reporting me to the anti-terrorism police, just simply speaking to me | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
and asking me what the book was regarding and is taking me aside. If | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
the cabin crew was concerned and liked education about what this book | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
was about, it would be more appropriate, I think, to take me | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
aside and trust me rather than take me to counterterrorism police | :39:00. | :39:02. | |
officers. That puts a big burden on the crew on a plane to deal with a | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
situation they may feel vulnerable around after being trained to look | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
out for things of concern potentially and to report them. They | :39:11. | :39:12. | |
were just following the orders they had. This comes down to the bigger | :39:13. | :39:19. | |
picture. No one should ever be detained and questioned under the | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
Terrorism Act for reading a book. We have freedom of expression and I was | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
reading about Syrian art and culture and that was misjudgement on the | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
cabin crew members part for her to rip port was in the first place was | :39:32. | :39:40. | |
not appropriate. Jo, Faizah was questioned and feels strongly about | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
the way everything has happened, but no harm came of it? And is it better | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
there is vigilance rather than not? There are a number of issues here, | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
for Faizah to be pursuing this a year later shows the level of | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
distress it has caused. It was her honeymoon and it was effectively | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
ruined by finding herself on the way back to being questioned under the | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
Terrorism Act, which is terrorism -- terrifying experience for anyone. | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
There is a fundamental issue about freedom of expression. Freedom of | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
expression means the freedom to read as well as the freedom to write. And | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
you would expect in a free society, open society, that we can read | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
whatever we like in our homes, and public transport, anywhere. And that | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
what we are reading should never be used as evidence of some kind of | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
criminal intent. Except for if somebody were reading something that | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
were evidence of criminal intent. I'd do not think reading in itself | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
can ever be used of evidence of cruel intent, how can it be? What if | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
it is a manual on how to put something together, a device, all | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
sorts of things? It's completely depends on context and what else | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
might be happening? You might be reading a manual because you are | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
researching it and doing a Ph.D. At university. And we have some years | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
ago seen a case of somebody detained under the Terrorism Act for | :41:08. | :41:10. | |
downloading and Al-Qaeda manual for his research. What we are seeing is | :41:11. | :41:18. | |
we have to look at this in a much more wide context. We have seen | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
other incidents, exhibitions and plays cancelled. Other incidents | :41:22. | :41:28. | |
that show a real lack of proportion and a real lack of common sense. And | :41:29. | :41:32. | |
I think we all understand we are living in a time of great anxiety | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
and fear and we have had horrific terrorist incidents in this country | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
since this incident happened to Faizah a year ago. Everyone | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
appreciates airlines have to be vigilant. We all want the police and | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
airlines to be vigilant. They have also got to use a sense of | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
proportion and common-sense. I think the fact that Thomson did not | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
apologise to Faizah and do not appear to have addressed their | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
training in any kind of way means that anyone getting any flight on | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
their summer holiday might be packing the Arabian nights to read | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
to their children, the Arabic dictionary, they might want to | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
educate themselves about Iraq, do they have the think, I will be | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
questioned by police under the Terrorism Act because I am carrying | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
a book the cabin crew thinks is indicative of some kind of | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
suspicious action? Thank you both very much. And I did mention that | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
statement from Thomson saying that they are sorry if she is unhappy, | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
but they were basically following procedures. | :42:35. | :42:36. | |
The campaign to bring down the price of the morning after pill - | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
one leading pharmacy charges ?28 for it, whilst others charge | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
others charge ?13.50, we'll find out why | :42:46. | :42:46. | |
The former American football star OJ Simpson is to be released | :42:47. | :42:52. | |
from prison this autumn after serving nine years of a 33 | :42:53. | :42:55. | |
The 70-year-old was approved for release by a parole board last | :42:56. | :43:03. | |
night. He has been serving time for armed robbery, assault with a deadly | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
weapon and ten overcharges awake -- of a confrontation in 2007 at a Las | :43:08. | :43:09. | |
Vegas hotel. In 1995, Simpson was acquitted | :43:10. | :43:11. | |
of the murder of his ex-wife I've done my time, I've done it as | :43:12. | :43:28. | |
respectfully as anybody can. The wardens will tell you I gave them my | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
word, I believe in the jury system, I have honoured their verdict. We'll | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
hear from a former defence lawyer for OJ Simpson, but this is a quick | :43:38. | :43:39. | |
reminder of his legal history. I've always thought I've been | :43:40. | :43:41. | |
pretty good with people. I have basically spent | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
a conflict-free life. In the matter of the people | :43:45. | :44:10. | |
of the state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, | :44:11. | :44:21. | |
we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant | :44:22. | :44:24. | |
Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation | :44:25. | :44:27. | |
of penal code section 187A, We assess punitive damages | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
against Orenthal James Simpson in favour of the plaintiff, | :44:31. | :44:40. | |
Louis Brown as follows Something we wanted to hear | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
since two and a half years. I didn't mean to steal anything | :44:45. | :45:11. | |
from anybody and I didn't know I thought I was confronting friends | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
and retrieving my property. I'm not here to try and cause | :45:17. | :45:25. | |
any retribution or any I spent nine years making no | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
excuses about anything. I am sorry that things turned | :45:29. | :45:38. | |
out the way they did. So on behalf of my family, | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
we just want him to come home. I don't feel that he's a threat | :45:43. | :45:51. | |
to anyone out there. It's time to give him | :45:52. | :45:54. | |
a second chance. My vote is to grant your parole | :45:55. | :46:03. | |
effective when eligible. Early I spoke to OJ Simpson's former | :46:04. | :46:06. | |
defence lawyer. What is your reaction to the fact | :46:07. | :46:18. | |
that he's got parole after serving nine years of that 33-year sentence | :46:19. | :46:21. | |
for armed robbery? I was disappointed in the sentence | :46:22. | :46:24. | |
itself when it was handed down, Any other person similarly situated | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
would have received what we call probation in the United States, | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
would not have received a nine I know for a fact when his parole | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
hearing in 2013 he was a low risk to reoffend, and I expected, | :46:37. | :46:44. | |
because his behaviour was good for the last four years, | :46:45. | :46:47. | |
nothing would have really significantly changed on the risk | :46:48. | :46:49. | |
assessment factors that we use here in Nevada to assess | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
whether an inmate should be released to the community, | :46:54. | :46:55. | |
that he was deserving of the parole. When you say any other person | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
would have effectively been treated differently, | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
you are saying, are you saying he has had different treatment | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
because of the fact he is OJ Simpson and all of the baggage | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
that comes with that? He was sentenced more harshly | :47:12. | :47:13. | |
than anybody would have been. 9.5 years, if you or I, Joanna, | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
had walked into the hotel and done the same thing with the same | :47:18. | :47:20. | |
criminal history, we would Every other person with him | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
in the room received probation, except for the man who went to trial | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
with him that went to prison, but when he took his case | :47:29. | :47:31. | |
to the Nevada Supreme Court, the Nevada Supreme Court said that | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
Mr Simpson's notoriety bled over so harshly that it infected | :47:35. | :47:36. | |
the jury, and he was So Mr Simpson's sentence was much | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
harsher than any other person's, I've been practising criminal | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
defence work in Nevada for the last 20 years, | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
I've never seen a sentence But he was a model | :47:51. | :47:52. | |
inmate, to his credit. He kept his head down, he did every | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
class that was available to him, I was recently elected | :47:58. | :48:00. | |
to the Nevada legislature, and that letter that was read | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
to the parole board was a letter he wrote to me a few months back, | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
not requesting special treatment for him, he wasn't requesting money | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
on his books or to contact someone on the outside, | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
he was requesting money to the Nevada prison system | :48:16. | :48:17. | |
to help educate inmates, because he saw first-hand | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
how self-esteem went up when people were educated, | :48:22. | :48:23. | |
he saw that they had hope for the future | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
when they were educated, and he wanted the assembly, | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
the government, to help provide some funding for education for inmates | :48:32. | :48:34. | |
so that people coming into the system after him | :48:35. | :48:36. | |
would receive a benefit. His eldest daughter told the court | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
at this hearing, "As a family, we know he is not the perfect man, | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
but the last nine years he has been the perfect inmate and made | :48:45. | :48:48. | |
the best of the situation." What you're talking | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
about there feeds into that How would you describe him, | :48:54. | :48:55. | |
how would you sum him up? The Mr Simpson that I met, I first | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
was introduced to him in 2012, He's a very nice man, | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
he was cooperative the entire time, he's very charismatic, | :49:04. | :49:15. | |
he was articulate and able He was a wonderful | :49:16. | :49:17. | |
person to deal with. I've had worse clients to deal | :49:18. | :49:24. | |
with, I can tell you. What do you think life is going | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
to be like for him once he gets out? There is a survey out today | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
which indicates that nearly all Americans think he did kill | :49:33. | :49:35. | |
Nicole Brown Simpson, very controversial judgment | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
at the time and, as you said, it's sort of dogged him ever since, | :49:40. | :49:41. | |
what happened then. It's going to be an | :49:42. | :49:46. | |
adjustment period for him. Most inmates that are in there | :49:47. | :49:56. | |
for more than a few years are acclimated to the system, | :49:57. | :49:59. | |
they're used to the lights going on and off at a certain time, | :50:00. | :50:02. | |
they're used to being fed at a certain time, so he's | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
going to have to almost relearn how A lot of inmates are | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
surprised when they can turn on their own lights, | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
be fed at any time they want, to be able to eat different foods and not | :50:13. | :50:15. | |
just what somebody gives them. I think he'll adjust better | :50:16. | :50:18. | |
than most, mainly because he has His sister is still around, | :50:19. | :50:20. | |
she lives in California, his four children live in Florida, | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
I think he would prefer to be In the United States, | :50:25. | :50:27. | |
you are allowed to travel but once you are an inmate and released | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
on parole you have to apply for what we call the interstate | :50:33. | :50:34. | |
compact clause and the state Sorry to interrupt, | :50:35. | :50:37. | |
obviously you're talking about being institutionalised | :50:38. | :50:44. | |
as a result of having been inside and adjusting | :50:45. | :50:47. | |
as a result of that. I mean, a man of such | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
notoriety, how will it be You know, if I could talk to him, | :50:51. | :50:53. | |
I would tell him, "Just keep your head down, | :50:54. | :51:00. | |
stay at home, don't go out." He's not the favourite | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
person in the public no matter where he goes, | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
people treat him poorly no matter where he goes, so he's probably | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
going to want to just stay home and be with his family, | :51:12. | :51:14. | |
and hopefully that will be I want to read you a couple of | :51:15. | :51:29. | |
comments on that interview with the lady who was questioned after | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
reading a book about Syria on a flight. One says that she agrees, | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
she should not be questioned on this. Another, this is beyond | :51:42. | :51:46. | |
belief. What would happen if I took my copy of the Koran to read on a | :51:47. | :51:52. | |
plane? Mixed comments. Thank you for those. | :51:53. | :51:55. | |
The emergency contraceptive pill, also known as the morning | :51:56. | :51:57. | |
after pill, is taken to prevent an unwanted pregnancy | :51:58. | :51:59. | |
Despite being available for free through a GP, | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
in some pharmacies it can cost nearly ?30 to buy. | :52:04. | :52:06. | |
The British Pregnancy Advisory Service has called on Boots, | :52:07. | :52:08. | |
The emergency contraceptive called Levonelle costs ?28.25 in Boots. | :52:09. | :52:15. | |
But now, Tesco has cut the cost of exactly | :52:16. | :52:17. | |
Superdrug is also offering a generic version of the same | :52:18. | :52:24. | |
Let's talk to Hannah Ewans, a junior editor at Vice who has | :52:25. | :52:34. | |
written about her personal experiences of buying | :52:35. | :52:36. | |
Also Clare Murphy from the British Pregnancy Advisory Service who has | :52:37. | :52:39. | |
And Dr Jane Dickson, a consultant in Sexual | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
and Reproductive Healthcare, specializing in contraception. | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
Thank you all for coming in. Before we talk specifically around what is | :52:48. | :52:55. | |
happening with the cost of the morning after pill, tell us more | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
about you. You have taken it and written about it, you have | :53:01. | :53:03. | |
effectively been campaigning for the price to be lowered? Tell us what | :53:04. | :53:07. | |
your experiences have been? Basically, when you are a teenager, | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
there is no way you're going to be able to afford for the morning after | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
pill. If you are from a small town where there are not many chemists, | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
you are going around pharmacies trying to get a pharmacy that will | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
have somebody in that can give it to you. You have to have a consultation | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
to get it for free. Sometimes you will get somewhere and find that the | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
farm assist you are supposed to be seeing is not actually in. It is | :53:33. | :53:35. | |
sort of a chase against time, going around different pharmacies. It is | :53:36. | :53:41. | |
basically really stressful and a nightmare. When the story came up in | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
the press, it was something that really interested me. I remembered | :53:46. | :53:48. | |
being that teenage girl when I was younger. You can get it free from | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
your GP? Yes, the trouble is, you're going to have to take time off | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
School, potentially, time off work. Often are using up a slot, an | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
emergency appointment slot that could have been given to somebody | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
else. Even if you try to get an emergency appointment, you might not | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
be able to get one. Are there other reasons why kids might not want to | :54:11. | :54:15. | |
go? Potentially having to talk to their GP about it might be a | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
daunting thing? Is that a factor? Yes, there was a big study in 2014 | :54:21. | :54:27. | |
that showed that 11% of British women actually felt too embarrassed | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
to actually get the morning after pill. That put them off going at | :54:31. | :54:33. | |
all. They kind of just went completely without. Clare, the | :54:34. | :54:39. | |
British Pregnancy Advisory Service has been calling for the price to | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
come down. Some shops are now selling it at effectively half the | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
price that is being charged that the higher end. What do you think should | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
be the position with the morning after pill? How easy should it be to | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
get and how cheap should it be? I think it should be really accessible | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
for women. I think women need rapid access to emergency contraception | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
when their regular method fails. Many women in this country are | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
reliant on user dependent methods like condom is, pills, which can | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
frequently fail or be forgotten. They need to be able to access | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
emergency contraception. But they can do that through their GP? They | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
can do it through their GP, but we have talked about the problems with | :55:20. | :55:25. | |
teenagers accessing this, but in our service we see tens of thousands of | :55:26. | :55:28. | |
women every year with unwanted pregnancy. Often it is women in | :55:29. | :55:31. | |
their 20s and 30s who do not have the time. They have childcare | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
commitments, working response abilities. They don't have the time | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
to get to their GP. Actually, it is not a good use of their time or the | :55:40. | :55:45. | |
Doctor's time. This is a very, very safe, effective medication that | :55:46. | :55:48. | |
should be readily available through pharmacies. We are really delighted | :55:49. | :55:55. | |
to see that Superdrug, Tesco, taken the initiative to provide women with | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
a more affordable product and we really hope that Boots follow suit | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
because the situation is not tenable. Dr Jane Dickson, what are | :56:02. | :56:06. | |
your thoughts on how available it should be and how much it should | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
cost? One thing we know about the emergency contraceptive pill is that | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
it is incredibly safe. I very much support easier access to it. In | :56:15. | :56:23. | |
fact, we would support free provision of emergency | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
contraception. It is also available widely in sexual health clinics, | :56:28. | :56:32. | |
family planning clinics, free of charge. Also, people have the | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
anonymity. If they don't want their GP to know about it. One thing I | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
would say is that it is very, very safe, but it isn't the most | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
effective form of emergency contraception. Is there an element | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
of the consultation around it being not just necessarily about how safe | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
it is to take, but why someone is in the position of taking it? Are they | :56:54. | :56:59. | |
being responsible around contraception, are they making the | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
right decisions in what they are doing? I don't think we talk about | :57:05. | :57:08. | |
responsibility, I think it is more about women being safe and | :57:09. | :57:15. | |
adequately protected. Long acting, reversible contraception, things | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
like the IUD, is more effective. The emergency coil is a much more | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
effective form of emergency contraception than the Pill. But I | :57:26. | :57:32. | |
think we would definitely support it being more widely available at a | :57:33. | :57:37. | |
cheaper cost, because it is an incredibly safe medication. You | :57:38. | :57:42. | |
wanted to come in on the point about responsibility around contraception? | :57:43. | :57:46. | |
Yes, regardless of why a woman needs to use it, they should have it free | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
and easy. But the thing is, I know from the women I have spoken to, | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
from my own personal experience, that it is often not a case of you | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
being irresponsible. It is a case of maybe the condom has broken, maybe | :58:00. | :58:02. | |
you have just missed a pill by accident. Maybe it is even that you | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
are having side-effects from your normal contraception and you are | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
trying and having breaks from different contraception. I don't | :58:10. | :58:12. | |
think it is anything to do with being irresponsible. Thank you all. | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
Boots did not want to appear on the programme. | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
that provision of the morning after pill is a professional | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
healthcare service which should require a proper health | :58:24. | :58:25. | |
It is the first day of the summer holidays from any part of England | :58:26. | :58:59. | |
and Wales. If you're heading west, or you are in the West already, not | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
looking that great. This is the recent radar picture. You can see a | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
huge and rainfall here in western areas, particularly heavy rain in | :59:08. | :59:10. | |
West Wales and south-west England. It is all associated with this area | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
of low pressure which will move very slowly eastwards. Look at those | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
white lines, quite close together. That indicates strong wind. We're | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
going to see some gales around the coasts of south-west England, South | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
and West Wales. The further east you are, looking largely dry and bright. | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
Some sunny spells. Temperatures and high teens, low 20s. As for the | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
weekend, low pressure is still with us. You can see the swirl of the | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
winds. Still quite blustery conditions across southern and | :59:39. | :59:42. | |
western areas. Quite a few showers on Saturday. They could be quite and | :59:43. | :59:45. | |
perhaps thundery across Wales, the Midlands and southern England. | :59:46. | :59:51. | |
Further east, largely dry, some showers for a time. Sunday, fewer | :59:52. | :59:56. | |
showers, some sunny spells. Temperatures in the higher teens or | :59:57. | :59:57. | |
low 20s. See you later. Two die and at least | :59:58. | :00:04. | |
100 people are injured on the Greek island of Kos, | :00:05. | :00:09. | |
after an earthquake off the coast My mum looked at me and she said, | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
"We've got to get out of here." We'll speak to three | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
British families on Kos It's the last weekend of the World | :00:19. | :00:25. | |
Para Athletics Championships, and we've got two of Britain's gold | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
medallists with us in the studio. Team captain Hollie | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
Arnold and Stef Reid. They'll be alongside two | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
young athletes who hope "The most impressive | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
talent I've ever seen." "Rock 'n' Roll will never | :00:42. | :00:52. | |
fill the space he left." These, just some of the tributes | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
from the friends and family of Linkin Park lead singer | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
Chester Bennington, who has Here's Rachel Schofield | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
in the BBC Newsroom, Two people have been | :01:00. | :01:16. | |
killed and around 100 others have been injured | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
on the Greek island of Kos, The tremor struck under | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
the Aegean Sea between Greece There was also flooding | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
in the Turkish resort of Bodrum, After being shaken from their sleep, | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
locals and tourists on the island of Kos ran into the streets | :01:34. | :01:41. | |
to see the damage. Many holiday makers, | :01:42. | :01:54. | |
fearing further tremors, Officials on the island said two | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
people were killed when the ceiling Most of the injured are not | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
in a serious condition. Though some were airlifted | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
to the larger island At 1:30am in the morning, | :02:05. | :02:05. | |
we were woken by a tremendous The fans were thrown around, | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
a mirror came off, lasting Myself, my wife and two children | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
just got our stuff as quick And, as we made our way out, | :02:14. | :02:22. | |
there was a second shock. Tremors that lasted a few minutes | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
were enough to damage buildings that British tourist Ricky Shah | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
was in his hotel room at the time. It was for about 30 | :02:32. | :02:43. | |
seconds, you kind of felt A few bottles fell off, | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
obviously from the night stand, And then, suddenly, you heard | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
other people kind of... Some children were | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
waking and crying. In the Turkish resort of Bodrum, | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
these people were at a restaurant The small tsunami triggered by | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
the quake led to localised flooding. Authorities report there has been no | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
major damage to the city. As in the Kos, tourists chose the | :03:05. | :03:22. | |
safety of the streets to their hotels as the after-shocks | :03:23. | :03:23. | |
continued. Michael Gove has delivered his | :03:24. | :03:30. | |
vision for what he describes as a green Brexit. He says that after UK | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
weaves the EU, farmers will have to earn subsidies by agreeing to | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
protect the environment and enhance rural life, rather than simply have | :03:41. | :03:42. | |
them handed out. The former American football star OJ | :03:43. | :03:43. | |
Simpson is to be released from prison this autumn, | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
after serving nine years of a 33-year sentence | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
for armed robbery. In 1995, Simpson was acquitted | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
of the murder of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend, | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
turning him into one of the most His parole hearing was | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
broadcast on US television. A year after being questioned | :04:02. | :04:11. | |
by counter-terrorism police for reading a Syrian art book | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
on a plane, a British woman says she is being forced to go | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
to court to get an apology. Faizah Shaheen was reported | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
to authorities by Thomson cabin crew on her honeymoon flight to Turkey | :04:24. | :04:25. | |
reading - Syria Speaks: Art Thomson say their staff | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
were being vigilant. Tolls on the two Severn bridges - | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
between England and Wales - will be scrapped for all vehicles | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
by the end of next year. Ministers say the decision | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
will significantly boost Motorists who regularly | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
use the bridges could Tributes have been paid | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
to Chester Bennington, the lead singer of the American rock | :04:42. | :04:51. | |
band Linkin Park, who has The Los Angeles Coroner | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
says he appears to have His bandmates said they were | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
"heartbroken" by the death That's a summary of the latest BBC | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
News - more at 10:30. Good morning. Let's start with the | :05:03. | :05:13. | |
Gulf. The second round of the Open | :05:14. | :05:22. | |
Championship is underway. Three Americans led the way | :05:23. | :05:24. | |
yesterday but plenty of players put Our reporter Adam Wild | :05:25. | :05:26. | |
is live at Royal Birkdale. Any big movers on the | :05:27. | :05:34. | |
leaderboard so far? Yes, good morning. Welcome back to | :05:35. | :05:42. | |
the Southport links at Royal Birkdale. Des two of the Open | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
championship. Let's look at the leaderboard. We have an outright | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
leader, Matt Kuchar, who was in the trio in the overnight leaders and | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
Jordan Spieth and Koepka. Matt Kuchar has picked up a shot. Now the | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
great leader and six under. A couple to pick out the early starters. Paul | :06:05. | :06:10. | |
Casey celebrating his 40th birthday today and wearing special shoes with | :06:11. | :06:17. | |
PC 40 on them. Not celebrating in style after dropping two shots, | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
dropping back to two under. Rory Mclroy had a disappointing start to | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
his round yesterday, but he has now picked up a shot on the first, so | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
just starting well with a shot. Yes, I have not seen as both Gay shoes, I | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
cannot wait! You mentioned Rory Mclroy. -- I have not seen his | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
shoes. Caddies don't normally | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
make the headlines. A disastrous start, five over at one | :06:51. | :07:05. | |
point. But his caddie JP Fitzgerald said, it you are Rory Mclroy, the | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
world and the four, a former champion here, you have got to go | :07:10. | :07:11. | |
out and play your game, get your confidence back. And it had the | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
desired effect. He turned it around on the back nine. That continues | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
this morning, he has birdied the first and is right back in | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
contention. You put it a what more diplomatic weight than the caddie | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
himself! I heard there was some colourful language. British a lot | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
more diplomatically. Chris Froome is three stages | :07:34. | :07:35. | |
away from winning his He's the favourite for the title, | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
although his lead was cut by four The battle for the yellow jersey | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
went all the way to the line... Romain Bardet, finished | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
just ahead of Froome, He's now 23 behind | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
Froome in the standings. It's the longest stage | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
of the Tour today - more than 138 miles - | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
followed by a time trial tomorrow. Manchester United have beaten | :07:54. | :08:05. | |
Manchester City 2-0 overnight A crowd of 67,000 turned out to see | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
the pair meet in Houston. New ?75 million signing | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
Romelu Lukaku got the first. And the second came just two minutes | :08:13. | :08:19. | |
later through England I will be back with the headlines at | :08:20. | :08:31. | |
10:30 a:m.. Thank you, see you later. | :08:32. | :08:40. | |
There are reports that at least 80 people have been injured. | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
The magnitude of 6.7 quake caused floods in the Turkish result of | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
Bodrum. We can speak now to three | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
people who are holidaying Georgie Jamieson is a university | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
student from London who's on holiday with her family in the small town | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
of Kardamaina on the Claire Reeve is in the same town | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
with her husband and two children, and Victoria Dixon is in Kos Town | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
with her family. Thank you very much for joining us. | :09:06. | :09:16. | |
Georgie, tell us what happened. We went up to our rooms after the | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
night-time entertainment around midnight and probably started going | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
to bed around one o'clock. Probably about half an hour later, fear/ when | :09:24. | :09:34. | |
the entire room shook vigorously. It felt like the floor was going to | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
cave in. I did not know if buildings were crumbling around me. I | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
immediately woke my younger sister who was lying next to me. I told her | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
that we needed to get out because I was fearful of pursuing coming down. | :09:50. | :09:56. | |
So we ran outside and at that point, we were met by other tourists doing | :09:57. | :10:04. | |
a similar thing. And at that point, we felt another tremor and we | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
thought it would be the best idea to kind of evacuated the building and | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
get as far away as possible. Obviously, we were completely shaken | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
up by it all. As it was the middle of the night, it you were kind of | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
wary of the fact that no one was really around the tell us what was | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
going on or what kind of action to take. So we decided to stay quite | :10:29. | :10:36. | |
higher and make sure there were open fields around just in case we needed | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
to evacuate. Victoria, tell us what you felt. Well, we had been on a | :10:43. | :10:51. | |
trip to the mountains. We were quite tired when we got back around ten | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
o'clock and we went to bed early. Around 25 past one, we will | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
literally ripped from our sleep. The bed shook uncontrollably, the room | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
shook from side to side, the noise was terrible. I dived on my son. The | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
complete sense of fear was untrue. I thought that was it, I really did. | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
When it stopped, we gathered our thoughts. We thought, we need to get | :11:21. | :11:27. | |
outside. We were faced with the holiday-makers, not knowing what to | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
do. The electricity had gone. It was a sense of panic. There was an air | :11:33. | :11:40. | |
raid siren alarm that went off, so we went to the reception area, but | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
we were greeted with no one. We kind of round out our information from | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
Twitter. And afterwards, until about at least six o'clock this morning, | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
the tremors were really strong. So you are trying to get over it, but | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
the tremors kept coming. People were sleeping on the Sun lounges. Pots | :12:04. | :12:11. | |
were smashed. The pool was damaged. It was scary, to say the least, we | :12:12. | :12:19. | |
are very close to Kos town. What was your experience, Claire? We woke up | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
about half past one in the morning and were swaying from left to right. | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
It continued for about 30 seconds. We felt like we were in a hurricane, | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
that kind of sensation. Once we were fully awake, we realised it was not | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
a Hurricane Bertha and it was more serious. We woke our two small | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
children who were asleep and we made our way out to the main road. There | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
were people coming out and panicking. We watched the main road, | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
but it was quite nerve-racking because we are up in the mountains | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
so we were worried there would be boulders coming down. It was quite | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
scary. We made our way down the hill to the main hotel building and the | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
hotel manager explained what had happened between Bodrum and Kos. He | :13:11. | :13:19. | |
said it was safe to go back to our rooms and is to be vigilant and | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
listen out for the emergency alarm. We went back to our rooms and we | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
pretty much stayed awake until about five o'clock in the morning because | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
there were literally tremors occurring every 15 minutes, half an | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
hour. Some of them... We are struggling to hear you, there is | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
wind cutting the crusher microphone, but thank you. Victoria, you were | :13:41. | :13:49. | |
telling us about people sleeping on lounges and the damage around the | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
pool. The lack of information and the sheer strength of the after | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
tremors, like the other say Deluxe -- lady said, every ten to 15 | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
minutes, the tremors were so strong, you literally thought, here we go | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
again. We thought it was going to happen again and everybody was so | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
fearful. Plus, the information was not coming through. We did not | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
really know what to do. We did not want to go back into the room purely | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
because of the damage may be. It was very severe. How much damage was | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
there where you are? We were quite lucky. The people next was were so | :14:30. | :14:40. | |
lucky. There was damage around such as windows. It looks like the Hotel | :14:41. | :14:51. | |
staff have tried to clear everything up and tried to calm everybody down, | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
but just waiting to see Thomson representative to see what is | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
happening. Thank you, all, for joining us. More comments now on the | :15:00. | :15:07. | |
interview earlier with Faizah Shaheen. This man says, why are you | :15:08. | :15:16. | |
indulging this woman? Passing on an observation is not an extreme | :15:17. | :15:18. | |
measure. Just let the police do their job and stop wasting | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
resources. Shameful reaction, that is over the top. | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
We have had mixed comments. One says, they will not apologise for | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
their disgraceful behaviour, he means Thomson, closet racial | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
profiling. Still to come, rock and roll will | :15:36. | :15:51. | |
never fill the space he left, tributes to Chester Bennington who | :15:52. | :15:51. | |
has died at 41. It's been the biggest - | :15:52. | :15:53. | |
and quite probably the best World Championships ever - | :15:54. | :15:56. | |
and a successful one The London championships come | :15:57. | :15:58. | |
to an end this weekend, and they've seen record crowds, | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
with the Fill The Stadium campaigning helping to bring | :16:02. | :16:03. | |
in around a quarter So far, Great Britain | :16:04. | :16:05. | |
are comfortably 3rd in the medal We can talk to two gold medallists | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
now. Hollie Arnold, is the | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
British Team Captain. She won gold last weekend | :16:16. | :16:17. | |
in her F46 javelin category - that means single below | :16:18. | :16:19. | |
or above the elbow amputees Stef Reid also won gold | :16:20. | :16:21. | |
in her event, the long jump, which is for competitors | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
with single below-knee amputation. Eden Rainbow-Cooper is a wheelchair | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
junior athlete and competes Olivia Gallagher is a junior | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
wheelchair racer and Tania She works at the Weir Archer | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
Academy, set up by David Weir and Jenny Archer to help train | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
and develop young athletes. Welcome, all of you. Thank you very | :16:40. | :16:49. | |
much for coming in. It is great to see you all, and especially | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
congratulations to you two with your gold medals. Delighted to see you | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
wearing them. Obviously it has been a great experience for the British | :16:58. | :17:04. | |
athletes. Holly, you are the British team captain, you must be feeling | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
very proud? Very proud. Very humble to be classed as team captain and to | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
be chosen by my actual team-mates. To bring home the gold and world | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
record to add to that is something that makes me feel good. Do you | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
think you get a boost from being in a home crowd? Massively, the crowd | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
was amazing. I had my own plans, my first three throws was just to do | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
what I need to do, and the fourth I got the crowd going. That is when | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
the world record came. The crowd definitely helped. It just boosted | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
our own confidence. It's so nice to be able to go out in our home crowd | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
and do what I wanted to do. Sort of make up from London 2012. Why do you | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
need to make up? I came fifth. For me, that wasn't good enough for | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
myself. It's my Demons to rest now. I did my own lap of honour and | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
soaked up the crowd. It was just amazing. Good for you. Steph, you've | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
got your gold, tell us us about that competition. Probably the same story | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
to Holly. For me, the amazing thing was that we are doing the long jump, | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
on the back straight. It was a full audience. I probably knew half of | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
the people there. I think it was a really proud moment. Disability | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
sport has evolved. It is no longer just for people that have | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
disabilities. It is for everybody. I think everybody can relate to a | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
story where it is your dream to do something and people look at you, | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
they think, a girl with one arm, how is she going to throw a javelin? A | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
deal with one leg? It is ridiculous that you want to be a professional | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
athlete. Did that happen to you? Yes, I was an accident when I was | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
15, and I accepted that. I played rugby before and that was my dream. | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
I kind of thought, OK, sport is not for me any more. I went the more | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
academic route and did a degree in chemistry, I was going to be a | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
doctor. Suddenly, I got my first running blade and I thought, wait a | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
minute, I want to do this. People thought I was nuts. Are you really | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
going to let a career in medical school go to do the Paralympics? | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
This was way before 2012. I had to explain to people what the | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
Paralympics, what para sports was. To see how it has transformed, and | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
London and Great Britain has played such a massive part of that. When we | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
hear you speak about what you have gone through to get where you are, | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
it is particularly inspiring. It is great to have Eden and Olivia with | :19:33. | :19:42. | |
us, you must look at these women and men and be very inspired? | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
Definitely. Particularly the women, there has been a lot of computing, | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
it shows that girls can go to that level. Did you always feel you | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
could? Did you have a moment like Steph, when you didn't necessarily | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
say it? Definitely. Growing up in the schools that I meant to, there | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
wasn't really any disability sport. I was the only disabled person in my | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
school. I went to my senior school and they introduced me to para | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
sport. I went there and I tried racing. I was just in awe. I loved | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
it and I wanted to do sport since then. I've never looked back since. | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
Olivia, what is your story? Same for me. I went to a hearing impaired | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
school in Newbury, for the hearing impaired. They may be do | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
cross-country running. I thought, well, I can't do it in my chair, I | :20:40. | :20:46. | |
can't do it. It is too hilly. I said, why don't you get in the chair | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
and you try it? Then they made me just sit on the sidelines. I think | :20:52. | :21:01. | |
especially in these games, and London 2012, it is showing that we | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
can actually do something and not just sit and watch, so I'm just | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
sitting here and not doing anything. Good for you, saying what you don't | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
want to do as well. How empowered are you feeling now? Very, I think. | :21:15. | :21:23. | |
I think me having seen David Weir do all of his achievements, seeing | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
Steph and Holly winning gold, it helped me. It helped me think that | :21:30. | :21:37. | |
where I am in the ranking, in International, world, for my | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
classification, unfortunately they are not in the Paralympics at the | :21:40. | :21:46. | |
minute for the girls. We want to be where they are. It is just about the | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
IPCC, hopefully wanting to put that in, in the future. Tanya, you are | :21:54. | :22:01. | |
Olivia's very proud mother, and also involved in getting young people | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
involved in sport? I am chair of the Senedd David Weir archer Academy. | :22:08. | :22:16. | |
People set in 2012, because they thought there was a need to inspire | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
the next generation. We are an academy based purely on being run by | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
volunteers. Our biggest issue is raising funds, obviously, so that | :22:25. | :22:33. | |
young people that come along can access the sport. When you have a | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
disability, have any equipment to take part in that sport is very | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
expensive. For example, a racing chair is equivalent to 3500 or | :22:44. | :22:53. | |
?5,000. Even racing gloves are ?150. For young people, it is very hard to | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
take part in that sport. I know that Steph and Holly were saying the same | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
in their sport. Tell us more about that, what were your experiences, | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
starting out, how hard it was? My throwing arm, which helps me to | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
balance as I am throwing, that cost ?5,000. It is very expensive, but it | :23:12. | :23:19. | |
is part of me, I need that its role as far as I do. Javelins range from | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
?1000 upwards. Sometimes, if you hit a stone, it can break just like | :23:25. | :23:33. | |
that. It is quite expensive. That's devastating! Yes, it's very | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
devastating. The same with the legs, for you, that is very expensive. You | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
said when you got that how transformational it was. What did | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
you have to go through to get it? It is hard, for sure. This is my day | :23:47. | :23:54. | |
leg but I have right now, to run on that versus a running blade, it is | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
night and day. So much more fun. One of the things that I am so happy | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
about, the reason that we have these will Championships in London, is, | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
yes, money is an issue and money will definitely make a difference to | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
getting more people participating. Equally as important is just having | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
attitudes change, having local clubs, welcoming people and just | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
having a coach that is willing to adapt and is not intimidated by it. | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
That is just as valuable. It matters so much that we are changing | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
perceptions, changing how people see disability. It's not normal now to | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
associate words like strong, fast and powerful full summary that has a | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
disability. Do you feel a difference, day to day, when you go | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
around? Do you think there is a different attitude? It is a lot less | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
awkward than it was before. People come up and have a conversation with | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
you. Before they might just stare. Do you put that down to 2012? Yes. I | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
think it started in 2012 and since then it has just blossomed into | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
other things. It is really powerful to see that. It shows that almost | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
the whole nation has changed, really, from one games. Do you feel | :25:09. | :25:17. | |
that? Yes, I was bullied because I had the visual and hearing problems | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
as well as the CP. But I could say, this is what I'm doing, they have an | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
interest in that conversation. It's not that you're just in a wheelchair | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
and sitting on the sidelines, being lazy. What are your goals? Next | :25:35. | :25:42. | |
year, I'm hoping the CP Will Games in Spain, but my main goal is 2020 | :25:43. | :25:51. | |
order will Championships in London, in 2019, hopefully, if they do it in | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
London. -- the World Championships. The main goal is to keep doing what | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
I am doing with the support of Jenny and David from the Academy. Hope | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
that I can one day be in the Olympic Stadium. | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
Eden, what about you? I have the junior World Championships coming up | :26:09. | :26:16. | |
in two weeks. That is my main focus, trying to go there and do what I do | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
best, which is racing. After that, I want to try to go to the Europeans. | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
It just depends on what the Times. Apart from that, I want to keep | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
enjoying the sport. If I don't enjoy it, I want to do my best. Holly and | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
Steph, when the champion jets out of the way, what next? Obviously we are | :26:35. | :26:41. | |
going to have the World Championships in 2019, which we are | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
all hoping is going to be back in London. And then we have Tokyo 2020 | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
after that. It's hard, as an athlete, you have to take things | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
year by year and see how things go. I love the sport, every year it | :26:54. | :26:59. | |
tends to evolve and get bigger. I definitely don't want to watch from | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
the sidelines. You are hoping they come back here in 2019, is it | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
different with other things? Countries are rotated more, is | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
Britain being seen as a place for para athletics in particular? What | :27:13. | :27:20. | |
is going on? A lot of people recognise 2012 as kind of like the | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
birthplace of the professional era Paralympic sport. We hosted the | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
first Paralympics here and there has been quite a movement by athletes | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
around the world. They just say their experience in GB is better. | :27:32. | :27:40. | |
Definitely, I was in Beijing in 2014 and I think I was shown on TV at | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
about 4am. The coverage was really bad. Now we have the Channel 4 | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
coverage, people looked at the Paralympics and were, like, these | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
guys are amazing. Not just, poor disabled girl, bless them. They | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
thought, these are amazing, talented athletes, they have so much together | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
and can hopefully inspire the next generation. Roll on 2019! We wish | :28:04. | :28:05. | |
you the best. Week two of Brexit | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
negotiations has ended, We'll be discussing | :28:10. | :28:11. | |
that in just a moment. As MPs go on the holiday, well the | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
negotiations at? Quay Chester Bennington - | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
the lead singer of Linkin Park - has taken his own life | :28:24. | :28:25. | |
at the age of 41. We'll be discussing his musical | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
legacy and his openness in talking about his mental health | :28:29. | :28:30. | |
and the abuse he Comments to bring you about the | :28:31. | :28:41. | |
interview with Faiziah. One tweets, what is wrong with a woman? The crew | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
did the right thing. More vigilance is needed. Caroline says it is not | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
right, but we are where we are, fear is fear and it is naive of the lady | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
to expect otherwise, best keep the book at home. An e-mail from | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
William, if it had a cover saying how to bring down a plane, how to | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
make a bomb or how to join Daesh, they might have had a point. But | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
simply a book with Syria in the title? Paranoia run amok. Now let's | :29:07. | :29:08. | |
join Rachel for a news update. Two people have been killed | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
and around 100 others have been injured on the Greek island of Kos, | :29:14. | :29:15. | |
during a strong earthquake. The tremor struck under | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
the Aegean Sea between Greece Holiday mochas and Kos fine parts of | :29:19. | :29:31. | |
the island turned to rubble and there was flooding in Bodrum as a | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
result of a small tsunami. Air traffic controllers say | :29:35. | :29:46. | |
they expect today to be the busiest on record for flights in and out | :29:47. | :29:48. | |
of the UK. 8,800 flights are scheduled | :29:49. | :29:54. | |
to use British airports over the 24-hour period, | :29:55. | :29:56. | |
as families with school-age children The National Air Traffic Services | :29:57. | :29:58. | |
has warned that the skies above the UK are nearing full | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
capacity, and says the government must invest to provide support | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
for the levels of traffic expected The Government will tell landowners | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
that farm subsidies will have to be earned in future, | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
rather than just handed out. The Environment Secretary, | :30:11. | :30:12. | |
Michael Gove, is due to say that farmers will only get | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
taxpayers' money if they agree to protect the environment | :30:16. | :30:17. | |
and enhance rural life. He believes there is a growing | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
appetite for agricultural support which puts environmental protection | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
first. Tributes have been paid | :30:25. | :30:26. | |
to Chester Bennington, the lead singer of the American rock | :30:27. | :30:28. | |
band Linkin Park, who has The Los Angeles Coroner | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
says he appears to have His bandmates said they were | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
"heartbroken" by the death Join me for BBC Newsroom | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
live at 11 o'clock. Back to Joanna. | :30:39. | :30:46. | |
Thank you, see you later. The second round of The Open | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
is underway at Royal Birkdale. After a topsy-turvey performance | :30:51. | :30:58. | |
from Rory McIlroy yesterday, he's picked up a shot on the first | :30:59. | :30:59. | |
hole and is now on level par. Just three stages to go | :31:00. | :31:06. | |
in the Tour de France, and Chris Froome still has | :31:07. | :31:08. | |
the leader's yellow jersey. His lead was cut to 23 | :31:09. | :31:10. | |
seconds yesterday. It's the longest stage | :31:11. | :31:12. | |
of the race today - more than 138 miles - | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
followed by a time trial tomorrow. Hannah Cockroft and Georgina | :31:16. | :31:19. | |
Hermitage both win gold, as Great Britain claimed seven more | :31:20. | :31:20. | |
medals at the Para Athletics World And Manchester United have beaten | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
Manchester City 2-0 overnight, in a pre-season friendly | :31:24. | :31:34. | |
in the United States. New ?75 million signing | :31:35. | :31:36. | |
Romelu Lukaku with their first goal, That is all the sport for now, see | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
you soon. The second week of negotiations | :31:40. | :31:51. | |
over Britain's exit from the European Union has ended | :31:52. | :31:59. | |
with big differences over citizens' rights and the bill the UK | :32:00. | :32:01. | |
will have to pay to leave. Amongst the disagreements: the EU | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
wants rights currently enjoyed by EU citizens in the UK | :32:05. | :32:06. | |
to continue after Brexit. But the UK only wants to do this | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
after the person has lived So with Parliament now having gone | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
into its summer break, Let's talk to Nigel Evans, | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
a Conservative MP who supports leaving the EU, Professor | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
Emily Jones, who's an expert on business negotiations | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
from Oxford University, James McGrory, the Director | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
of Open Britain, who wants Britain to keep a close | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
relationship with Europe, and Professor Dennis Novy, | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
who's an economist from Nigel Evans, has it been a good few | :32:38. | :32:47. | |
days? I think so, really pleased that negotiations are into the | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
second round and looking forward to leaving the European Union, which | :32:52. | :32:57. | |
means we are not just ruled by the European courts, we will have on | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
trial over immigration and budgets. Unsurprisingly, we will be an | :33:03. | :33:05. | |
independent country again. What is being achieved? It has shone a light | :33:06. | :33:11. | |
on areas of division. Absolutely, that is what a negotiation is all | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
about. Theresa May said there would be no running commentary, but we do | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
seem to get to know that bets from the negotiations between David Davis | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
and Michel Barnier, areas where there are real problems over the | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
rights of European Union citizens in the UK. They wanted to be decided by | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
the European courts. But when Michel Barnier was asked, could you name a | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
European country where the rate of the citizens of that country are | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
justifiable by a foreign court? You could not. There are areas where | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
Michel Barnier has to recognise there will be some give. It is what | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
negotiations are about. James, what do you think about the negotiations? | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
They have not done brilliantly, progress has been absent and this is | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
supposed to be the easy stuff before the thorny issues of trade and | :34:00. | :34:05. | |
security and the meat of the issue does not start until the autumn. The | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
divorce bill was never going to be easy. No, but citizens' rights | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
should be easy and one of the few areas Nigel and I agree on. What | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
does not help is when the Foreign Secretary, supposed do me -- | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
supposed to be the leading the couple met at the go whistle. You | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
can have a disagreement about the level of the bill, everybody accepts | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
that, but to tell your allies to go whistle, it is quite juvenile. It is | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
colourful language from Boris. The fact is when they come up with a | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
figure of 100 billion which is what is being talked about... That is | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
what we see newspapers, 100 billion. Should the Foreign Secretary and | :34:49. | :34:51. | |
anybody else involved in the negotiations rise above the | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
newspapers? Yes, but what I think, and I hope we can all agree, if we | :34:56. | :35:02. | |
negotiate on whatever that divorce bill is and for every pound we give | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
them, and that means it is a pound we could be spending on our own | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
people, British taxpayers' money, and I will fight hard to make sure | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
we pay our obligations whatever they happen to be as far as pensions and | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
other obligations and programmes we have signed up to beyond 2019. But | :35:19. | :35:26. | |
they have to say exactly where our obligations are and how much money | :35:27. | :35:29. | |
there is. In any divorce settlement, if somebody says, I want 5 million, | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
they have to prove exactly how it is... If it is a figure heading in | :35:35. | :35:41. | |
the direction of 100 billion... But that is what Boris is saying, they | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
can go whistle, it is absurd figures. It is like me trying to | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
sell you my house and telling you it is worth ten million and you know it | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
is only worth quarter of a million, I can quite rightly go whistle! | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
Emily Jones, what are your thoughts at the end of this week | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
negotiations? As you have seen with the media, it is reporting a | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
deadlock with little progress and this was to be expected, the divorce | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
bill was always going to be contentious. My concern at the | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
moment is the UK is very much reacting to the EU and I would like | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
the UK to be more on a front foot and coming forward with more | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
proposals. And to see the negotiations becoming more | :36:23. | :36:24. | |
constructive. If we are discussing Aditi gritty, there has to be a lot | :36:25. | :36:31. | |
more broad consensus about the divorce bill and citizens' rights. | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
How much can we judge really about what is going on? What we see is the | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
grandstanding, but no deal is better than a bad steel, putting out clear | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
messages that you are prepared to walk away -- a bad deal. You want to | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
appear tough at the outset. Is it different behind closed doors? One | :36:55. | :36:58. | |
hopes so, it is hard to have a constructive dialogue when outside, | :36:59. | :37:01. | |
you are making threats. Those threats do not help, as you suggest, | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
and were perhaps not prepared to walk away and now the party has a | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
strong hand. I would like to see fewer of those threats to walk away | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
and more constructive phases of negotiations. When I hear somebody | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
saying we have not got a very strong hand, we have got a trade deficit | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
with the European Union of ?80 billion. You talk to any German MPs | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
who represent, any fracturing constituencies and ask if we have a | :37:34. | :37:40. | |
strong hand, yes, we have. -- any car manufacturing constituencies. I | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
think we have got a very strong hand. It does not help David Davis | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
when you hear people in Britain... We have not from -- we have not | :37:50. | :37:57. | |
heard from you, Dennis. It is just voodoo economic. The fact is the | :37:58. | :38:04. | |
British people are already paying inflation, real wages are going down | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
and people going on holidays and they will really feel prices have | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
gone up and living standards gone down. Because the pound went down so | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
much. We see it every day now how investment is down and especially in | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
the car industry, Nigel, this is really hurting people in Britain. I | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
think the most positive development has been that Britain has moved away | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
from some kind of foreign Galaxy and there is now a realisation that, | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
well, there has to be a bill that needs to be paid because it is not a | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
charity payment, it is legal obligations. There will have to be a | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
transitional agreement as well, there is in fighting left, right and | :38:45. | :38:47. | |
centre in the Conservative Party at the moment and Britain needs to come | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
down to reality. What is happening day in and day out with businesses. | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
With the infighting within the Conservative Party and their seeming | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
to be no settled view with everybody on board, that is seen from | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
Brussels. It is seen by Brussels. And it is the same in the Labour | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
Party, as we know, Jeremy Corbyn's views are not the same as others. | :39:12. | :39:18. | |
The Tory government is negotiating. Yes, it is not helpful to see on the | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
front pages of newspapers that we are in a weak position or we have to | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
cave in here everything that Michel Barnier wants, he is going to get. | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
What should there be, a news blackout? No, people need to be more | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
polished, quite frankly, about Britain's prospects. The Germans | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
exported 810,000 cars to the UK last year. They will want to carry on | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
doing that. And the fact the pound went down, you can be negative about | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
the prospects are people going abroad, I will go to Italy on Monday | :39:52. | :39:58. | |
and no doubt it will cost me more. We have had evidence now since the | :39:59. | :40:00. | |
referendum and you are living on a prayer. I was in China just last | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
week. The Chinese are baffled, white on Earth would the UK voluntarily | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
give so much power away? They do not care that much about Britain's | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
position, they just think it is going to be much easier for the | :40:16. | :40:18. | |
Chinese to deal with Britain because Britain is so much we can all. That | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
is the reality that everyone outside of your little bubble sees. And | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
Britain has to realise it is not the only place. You talk about China. | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
Talk about Liam Fox going to the USA on Monday where we have a trade | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
surplus of 35 billion even though we do not have a trade deal. Be | :40:38. | :40:43. | |
positive, when you talk it down... It is not talking down, it is | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
realistic. The USA is more interested in doing it had to deal | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
with the European Union because it is a much bigger market, same with | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
Australia... We started on Monday. You cannot negotiate until you are | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
out of the EU and the EU has negotiated with 2013 since the | :41:04. | :41:05. | |
United States and there is a new trade agreement with Japan commit | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
you have to be realistic. There is no trade agreement with Japan, they | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
have started that, it is four years and discussion. What about the media | :41:14. | :41:21. | |
reality that currency weakness has impacted on business and is making | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
it a crisis? It has impacted on business because we exported 8% more | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
food last year because our of far more attractive to the rest of the | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
world, particularly the European Union. It is having a negative | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
impact on businesses operating here. Some. Some negative, some positive, | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
it depends whether you import your products to export it. But this is | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
true, we are exporting more because the value of the pound has gone down | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
to 1.29 as far as the dollar. I have a cheese manufacture that exports ?6 | :41:54. | :42:01. | |
million a year. Nigel is putting out nonsense like that, it has been | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
really damaging for the UK economy. All the regulations, the rules of | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
origin red tape that will comment because the UK is leaving the | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
customs union, that will hurt British business so much and in | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
particular the car industry. Nigel, you have to become realistic. | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
Project Fear behind this again. No, it is happening. Is it going to get | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
more expensive forever buddy? Inflation is about 3% and it is now | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
flattening. There are positives and negatives about value of the pound. | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
If I was weak, I would wish I could appreciate my currency. James commit | :42:41. | :42:47. | |
you had been sitting and listening. It is fascinating to be offered hard | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
evidence about what is happening out of the economy and you can talk | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
about businesses and some exporting more, but anybody with a pay packet | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
feels inflation and they see their wages outstripped. They are not | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
doing well and that is fact. You cannot call it a project beer and | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
sake we will wish away the economic factors of Brexit by talking | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
positively. We need an honest debate. One fact you have to | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
concede, every month since we voted to leave the European Union, | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
unemployment in this country has gone down and employment has gone | :43:20. | :43:22. | |
up, we have record levels of employment in this country, backed! | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
And the wages have gone down. I can hear Emily behind me. We're not | :43:28. | :43:33. | |
appreciating his business reaction and the economic reaction to | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
uncertainty. That is the biggest factor contributing to the economic | :43:38. | :43:41. | |
imbalance and downturn we are seeing. Unless we can get clarity | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
from within the Tory party of the type of Brexit that they want and a | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
clear agenda and consensus in cabinets, we have uncertainty and we | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
will see for sure Asians. The biggest challenge at the moment is | :43:55. | :44:01. | |
the visions within the Tory party. Thank you very much. We will talk | :44:02. | :44:02. | |
again! Thanks a lot. Blair Logan has admitted | :44:03. | :44:10. | |
murdering his brother and attempting to murder his brother's girlfriend | :44:11. | :44:12. | |
in a New Year's Day house fire, in a plea | :44:13. | :44:14. | |
at the High Court in Glasgow. He poured petrol on his younger | :44:15. | :44:20. | |
brother and the bed he was sharing with Rebecca Williams as they slept | :44:21. | :44:22. | |
in East Dunbartonshire this year. Our correspondent is outside the | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
High Court in Glasgow, tells what happened. As you say, the | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
27-year-old came to the court and pleaded guilty to murdering his | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
younger brother Cameron. Attempting to murder Cameron's girlfriend | :44:38. | :44:43. | |
Rebecca Williams and endangering the lives of his parents Cathy and David | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
Logan. The background to the story was it was New Year's Eve, the | :44:49. | :44:55. | |
family had been celebrating in the House and Bex and Cameron went to a | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
party in Milngavie outside Glasgow. They left the house at 9:45pm and | :45:00. | :45:05. | |
returned home and were picked up by David Logan at about 4am and brought | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
home and they went to bed. The dog barked at seven o'clock in the | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
morning and Cameron and the mother of Blair Logan woke up and she went | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
down the stairs and she saw a man in dark clothing standing in the living | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
room. That is where Bex and Cameron was sleeping. Bex awoke and she saw | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
a man saying in dark clothing, holding something in his hand and | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
she did not know who it was. There were screams from Cameron and Bex | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
and David Logan the father came running down the stairs to do what | :45:39. | :45:39. | |
he could. We had more background to this, that | :45:40. | :45:53. | |
Blair Logan and Cameron Logan, there was hostility between the brothers. | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
Bex Williams said the two boys didn't speak and that he had looked | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
on his computer to see what would be the effects of Burns. He said he did | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
not intend to kill his brother, or indeed Bex, or endanger his parents. | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
But he did say that he did do it. He had doused Cameron in petrol and set | :46:11. | :46:13. | |
fire to the bed. He admitted doing that. He will be sentenced next | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
month on the 11th of August at Livingston High Court. | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
Thank you for all of the comments you have been sending through on the | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
British woman questioned by anti-terror police after reading a | :46:28. | :46:34. | |
book on Syrian heart on a Thomson flight. -- Syrian art. One reviewer | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
says, I am a white grey-haired lady, would I have been arrested for | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
reading that book? Another says, people are sick of being knifed and | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
bombed, and as soon as you try to do a thing about it, getting wind up. | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
Another says she will wait a long time for an apology, please don't | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
apologise for conducting lawful inquiries. Another says that the | :46:59. | :47:05. | |
cabin crew's response was proportionate. Heather says we need | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
terrorism vigilance, but once authorities start questioning what | :47:11. | :47:12. | |
we are reading, it is the thin edge of the wedge. Faizah was reported to | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
authorities by Thomson cabin crew. Thompson say their staff were being | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
vigilant. I spoke to her early and asked her what happened. I was on my | :47:23. | :47:27. | |
way to my honeymoon, to Turkey. I was recommended this book in a | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
literature Festival. I started reading it in the UK and decided to | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
finish it on the flight to Turkey. Whilst I was reading it, a cabin | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
crew member on the plane saw me reading the book and reported me to | :47:40. | :47:44. | |
the counterterrorism police. Did you know immediately that had happened? | :47:45. | :47:50. | |
No, they did not approach me. Nothing suggested whilst I was on | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
the flight that they had any concerns about me reading the book. | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
Nothing at all. What was the first you knew? When I returned after my | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
two week holiday to the UK and I was queueing up in passport control to | :48:05. | :48:07. | |
find two anti-terrorism police officers waiting for me. What did | :48:08. | :48:13. | |
they say? When they approached me, they asked me, they had to do a | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
routine check. I asked what was regarding and they said it was | :48:18. | :48:19. | |
regarding a book that was reported by a member of the cabin crew. What | :48:20. | :48:26. | |
happened then? I was taken in for questioning. I was given a leaflet | :48:27. | :48:33. | |
to explain I was being interviewed under the Terrorism Act, clearly | :48:34. | :48:36. | |
saying I had no rights and I had to answer the questions, and if I | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
didn't I would be detained. At that point, I knew that I had done | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
nothing wrong, so I happily went with the police officers to be | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
questioned. My husband was with me. When they realised he was my | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
husband, they took me alongside him. How long did it questioning go on | :48:55. | :49:01. | |
for? Approximately 30 minutes. They asked me about the book, what it | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
regarded, what language as I speak, the purposes of my trip. I said it | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
was my honeymoon. They asked me what I did for a living. They asked me a | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
lot of questions until they were reassured I was safe to go. On what | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
you do for a living, you have worked with Prevent? Part of my role last | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
year in the NHS was safeguarding children at risk of being | :49:24. | :49:28. | |
radicalised. I would work with Prevent and sit on a panel to work | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
around mental health, and children that were at risk of being | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
radicalised. It sounds like it was a situation that was dealt with quite | :49:39. | :49:45. | |
quickly. A year on, you are going to court to try to get an apology. Why? | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
After my experience last year, I wrote a complaint to Thomson and | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
they did not respond to the complaint. It was only when I made | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
my appearance on Channel 4 that they responded with a very minimal | :50:00. | :50:02. | |
response, saying they were sorry about the way I felt and that they | :50:03. | :50:08. | |
have to be vigilant. After that, I sought legal advice and decided to | :50:09. | :50:14. | |
approach this with a legal claim, under the Equality Act. What they | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
say is that they are sorry if you are unhappy with how you feel, with | :50:20. | :50:26. | |
how you were treated, I will read a statement. We wrote to her to | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
explain our crew undergo general safety and security awareness | :50:32. | :50:33. | |
training. As part of this, they are encouraged to be vigilant and share | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
any information or questions with relevant authorities, who would act | :50:38. | :50:40. | |
as appropriate. We appreciate in this incident that she may have felt | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
that over caution had been exercised, but our crew are trained | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
to report any concerns they may have as a precaution. A lot of people | :50:50. | :50:56. | |
watching would think, well, that is understandable. We are in dangerous | :50:57. | :51:06. | |
times, there are security concerns, better safe than sorry? Yellow | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
marker I understand that security is important, and I would want to make | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
sure it is thoroughly done. I think it is the sense of proportion. What | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
could have been done instead of taking extreme measures of reporting | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
me to anti-terrorism police, perhaps simply speaking to me, asking me | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
what the book was regarding, taking me aside. Faizah Shaheen, talking to | :51:27. | :51:28. | |
me earlier. Tributes have been paid | :51:29. | :51:29. | |
to Chester Bennington, the lead singer of the American rock | :51:30. | :51:31. | |
band Linkin Park, who has # I've become so tired, | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
so much more aware # Is be more like me | :51:35. | :51:45. | |
and be less like you... He became famous for songs such | :51:46. | :51:53. | |
as Numb, the band have sold more than 70 million albums worldwide | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
and won two Grammy Awards. Linkin Park's biggest | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
album was Hybrid Theory Only four albums released | :52:01. | :52:02. | |
since the year 2000 have sold They are Adele's 21, the Beatles' 1 | :52:03. | :52:08. | |
and Eminem's The Marshall Mathers LP The Los Angeles coroner | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
says he appears to have He is survived by his six | :52:13. | :52:15. | |
children and his wife. Friends and fellow artists have been | :52:16. | :52:22. | |
paying tribute. Well, let's talk to Steve Holden, | :52:23. | :52:57. | |
from the BBC Newsbeat team, who interviewed Chester a few months | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
ago. We also joined by the editor of rock magazine Kerrang. Tell us more | :53:03. | :53:13. | |
about his impact? You can't underestimate the impact of Hybrid | :53:14. | :53:16. | |
Theory, the soundtrack of many people's school and college life. | :53:17. | :53:20. | |
But then on to the world wide spectrum, sold 30 million copies and | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
is the biggest selling debut album released since the millennium. What | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
they did well was they blended metal and hard rock elements, along with | :53:29. | :53:33. | |
rap and hip-hop and created a new genre, called nu-metal, that they | :53:34. | :53:42. | |
were the most successful act. They released an album a couple of months | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
ago. We did an interview and you hear Linkin Park's songs, and he has | :53:47. | :53:52. | |
a very angry, Powerhouse vocal. In person, he was warm, sweet, | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
articulate and extremely open. The lead single from the most recent | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
album was called Heavy. I asked him where the influence and control. | :54:02. | :54:04. | |
I just said, "Do you guys really want to know | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
Somebody really close to me just tried to commit suicide | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
and survived and, like, I'm dealing with that. | :54:12. | :54:13. | |
Yeah, and, like, this is what's going on, this is what's going on. | :54:14. | :54:16. | |
It was one of those things - do I go? | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
It was really hard and really confusing and really sad. | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
Any day of the week it could have been something different. | :54:26. | :54:27. | |
Sometimes it just feels like life is testing you. | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
And that is what's come out on this record. | :54:31. | :54:32. | |
It's more like a snapshot in real time of things that were happening | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
So in that way it is, like, yeah, super-personal. | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
All the songs we write about come from a personal place, | :54:40. | :54:42. | |
This time, it's like I'm having this feeling right now. | :54:43. | :54:54. | |
He was saying sometimes it feels like life is testing me. In 2008, he | :54:55. | :55:04. | |
revealed to Kerrang that he was abused as a child. How much of an | :55:05. | :55:11. | |
impact did that have on his life? Well, as we were just saying, he was | :55:12. | :55:20. | |
an incredibly thoughtful, sensitive, open soul. He was an artist that | :55:21. | :55:29. | |
didn't hold anything back. How we feel today, as a magazine team, | :55:30. | :55:39. | |
knowing him very well, from year zero, the first day that Linkin Park | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
where a thing, it wasn't like we were looking for clues, it wasn't | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
like these messages were coded. It was all out there. I think one of | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
the things we actually feeling today, and I think a lot of people | :55:53. | :55:57. | |
are thinking, is there anything we could have done? It wasn't like this | :55:58. | :56:04. | |
guy was being coded about anything, these messages that he was suffering | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
were very explicit. That is busy something that anybody who knows | :56:11. | :56:12. | |
somebody who has taken their own life will feel. In the end, people | :56:13. | :56:25. | |
go down their own path. In terms of whether he was getting help for what | :56:26. | :56:28. | |
he had been through, do you know? Did he? Well, he talked a lot to | :56:29. | :56:36. | |
Kerrang, he talked a lot elsewhere about how the music was his help, | :56:37. | :56:42. | |
music was his outlet. It was the vessel he used to express himself | :56:43. | :56:50. | |
and to explore who he was. I feel the second high-profile passing of a | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
rock star this year, Chris Cornell was a friend of Chester and that was | :56:57. | :57:02. | |
only a month and a half ago. Yesterday would have been Chris | :57:03. | :57:09. | |
Cornell's birthday. I feel like we kind of ask ourselves why are we | :57:10. | :57:17. | |
losing these people? Two in a year, two months apart? Steve, what will | :57:18. | :57:26. | |
be his legacy? You leaves behind an amazing musical legacy? It's his | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
voice, a powerhouse of a voice, instantly recognisable. He has | :57:31. | :57:35. | |
cemented his mark on the musical landscape with that incredible, huge | :57:36. | :57:42. | |
range and voice. There are acoustic versions of his songs were the | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
production strips out and just taking it right back to how he | :57:49. | :57:53. | |
sounds, he is one-of-a-kind. I think Josh from You Me At Six called him | :57:54. | :58:01. | |
once in a generation. Some of the people associate part of their life | :58:02. | :58:07. | |
with that album, Hybrid Theory. Letter sent to that voice before we | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
end... Actually, we're out of time. -- let's listen to that voice. | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
They're going to kill us. GUNSHOT | :58:17. | :58:39. | |
A copper's dead and now they're coming for us. | :58:40. | :58:42. |