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Hello it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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welcome to the programme We'll bring you the details shortly.

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The parents of Charlie Gard are to return to court today. They've been

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victims of a backlash from some members of the public, they say,

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after Great Ormond Street Hospital revealed staff received death

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threats. Threats have been made against the judiciary and medical

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staff at Great Ormond Street Hospital. Under no possible

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circumstances whatsoever does any member of Charlie's family or any of

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Charlie's true supporters condone any such action.

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We have discovered that new powers to curb dock attacks haven't been

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working. We'll talk to the family of a three-year-old girl mauled after

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five doings broke into her garden. And it's 50 years since gay sex was

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decriminalised but how much has changed and how close are we to

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achieving true equality? We demand the same rights. No more, no less.

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The same rights as other ordinary, civilised human beings.

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We'll talk to Peter Tatchell and George Montagu, convicted of gross

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indecency with a man in the 70s and describes himself as the oldest gay

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in the village and a woman who's only just come out, about how much

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as changed. Hello.

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welcome to the programme, Throughout the programme the latest

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breaking news and developing stories...a little later we'll

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celebrate two amazing British England's women beat India

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to the Cricket World Cup. Absolutely amazing. I took my kids

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there. So many kids there, it was brilliant. A great atmosphere.

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And we'll be asking why this Brit - Chris Frome, the 4 times

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tour de france winner - isn't receiving the love

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Is he Britain's least popular greatest sportsman?

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

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The parents of Charlie Gard return to the court today as the court

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consider new evidence from a US neurologist. They want to take their

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baby to the States for experimental treatment. Doctors at Great Ormond

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Street don't believe it will work and say the 11-month-old should be

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allowed to die with dignity. Tom Burridge is at

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the High Court for us. The court was supposed to sit this

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morning and it's been pushed back to this afternoon. Possibly a decision

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from tomorrow onwards, that might be pushed back because we are not

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seeing the court sitting this morning. But I think a lot of the

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evidence will centre around testimony from this US Doctor Who

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claims that his treatment, a kind of therapy, has a 10% chance of

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improving the health of 11-month-old Charlie Gard. The judge will have to

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make that very difficult decision in what is a very sad case. The judge

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will have to decide, remember, whether or not to allow Chris and

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Connie, Charlie's parents, to allow them to take him to New York for

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experimental treatment or whether the judge decides, like the doctors

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at Great Ormond Street have been arguing, that the chances of any

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success from that treatment are so low that actually it's in Charlie's

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best interests for the life support system to be switched off and for

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him to be allowed the die with dignity. Tell us about the threats

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to the staff and the parents? Really sad again. On Saturday, Great Ormond

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Street Hospital released a statement saying that their staff, doctors and

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nurses, suffered a torrent of abuse, thousands of messages online, some

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verbal abuse in the street. Connie and Chris, Charlie's parents,

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released a short statement on Saturday saying they too suffered a

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lot of abuse. Then they released a longer statement yesterday evening,

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saying that actually, since the statement from Great Ormond Street

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on Saturday, they've suffered what they described as a backlash. They

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said they've suffered a lot of abuse, a lot of messages online. But

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they paid tribute, I think it's important to say, to the doctors and

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the staff at Great Ormond Street Hospital. They say ultimately their

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son wouldn't be alive today if it wasn't for the staff at Great Ormond

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Street Hospital. Both sides, the doctors and parents of young Charlie

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of course have his best interests at heart. But of course the judge over

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the next couple of days, possibly longer, will have to make that very

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difficult decision. Thank you very much.

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Rachel Schofield is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The government is promising what it calls a revolution in the way

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electricity is generated, used and stored.

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The business secretary, Greg Clark, is to announce more investment

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in battery technology and details of a competition to

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Under the plans, it's thought households could save up

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Britain's economic forecast has been downgraded by the monetary fund due

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to a weaker performance at the start of the year. In April it was

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predicted the economy would grow 2%, that's been revised down to 1.7%.

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The Treasury says the report high lites the importance of a good

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Brexit deal with the EU. At least 24 people have been killed

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and more than 40 injured in a suicide bomb attack

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in the Afghan capital, Kabul. It's understood the attacker

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detonated the car bomb close to a bus carrying government

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employees in the west of the city. It's not yet clear who

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was behind the attack. Scientists say they're examining

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a potential breakthrough in the case of the missing Sheffield toddler,

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Ben Needham - who disappeared on the Greek island of Kos,

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26 years ago today. Human material has been found

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in soil samples gathered last Ben Needham was 21 months old when

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he disappeared on the island of Kos in July 1991. In the years that

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followed, men's mother Kerry pleaded with anyone that knows anything

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about her son's disappearance to come forward. Last October, an

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extensive 21-day search was conducted of land around the

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farmhouse where he was last seen in a second site close by after it

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emerged the toddler may have been crushed to death by a digger. And

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now, on the 26th anniversary of his disappearance, a possible

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breakthrough. Signs of blood have been found on items recovered by

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police during last year's search. Some of the items that we brought

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back, we submitted for further forensic work and the results of

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that to date, I am led to believe, show signs that there is some human

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decomposition around the items that that we brought back from Kos. A

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sandal and truck brought back are being tested in Aberdeen. 60 items

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were brought back for analysis. We are providing information that there

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is a strong indication from this chemical profile that we were able

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to ascertain, there is a strong indication this was present on the

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it Eames as a result of blood decomposition. South Yorkshire

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police hope this latest development will go some way in proving what

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happened to this little boy. Experts on Hutch are joining forces

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with Cancer Researchers to look at efforts to find a cure for the vie

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Ritz. At the science conference in Paris, experts believe -- a cure for

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Hutch. Detectives investigating the death

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of a young woman in south-west London have charged a 33-year-old

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man with murder, rape and kidnap. The 19-year-old's body was found

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at a house in Kingston on Wednesday. The man is also accused

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of raping another woman. A second man has been

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charged with kidnap. The BBC has learned that 80% of NHS

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areas in England are failing to meet the government's two week processing

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target for women to receive It means less than half of women

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receive their results NHS England said it is working

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to reduce a "backlog" caused by a forthcoming change to the way

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it carries out cervical screening. Community Protection notices, ASBOs

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for doings, were brought in three years ago. They give police and

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local authorities more powers to demand doing owners take steps to

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control their animals' behaviour. More than three quarters of the 311

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councils who responded to our Freedom of Information request have

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not issued a single notice since they were introduced. The ding The

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Duke of Cambridge has revealed how he tells his children stories about

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his mother, the Princess of Wales. It's hard because obviously

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Katherine didn't know her so she can not really provide that level of

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detail so I do regularly, putting Charlotte and George to bed, remind

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them that there were two grand mothers in their lives. Just after

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9. 30, we'll bring you the information on the ASBOs for doings.

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They are not being used by councils even though they've had the powers

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in order to try to stop doing attacks. We are going to talk to

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Sandra McKevitt after 9. 30. She's never done an interview before. She

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was there when her granddaughter was attacked in her front garden by five

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doings who'd broken through the garden fence. So we'll talk more

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about that after 9. 30. All of you are saying it's the owners'

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responsibility. John on Facebook, Anthony on Facebook, the

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responsibility of attacks falls within owners and the Government for

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allowing anyone on licence to own potential killing machines. Anthony

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says the main problem lies with the owners, they look to the doings as a

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status symbol. Get in touch on Twitter or e-mail us.

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Olly is with us now. I took my boys to the Cricket World Cup. India were

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cruising to that modest 229 that England set and then suddenly India

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collapsed didn't they? Yes, India have been absolutely fantastic. They

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beat England in the group stage before they qualified for the

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knockout stage. I was working here yesterday Victoria, you were very

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lucky to be there and every telly pretty much was tuned into the

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cricket, so much going on, but most people were watching the cricket.

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England's women world champions for a fourth time. They'll be having a

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few heavy heads because I think they were celebrating in the Lord's TV

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averner's Bar afterwards. One of those tournaments that went under

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the radar, started a month ago, was up against Wimbledon. You could

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stream some of the matches for free but it wasn't on terrestrial TV. It

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was a sell out at Lord's. A great global audience. England were

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fantastic, making 228, India seemed to be cruising to victory but shrub

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sole there, wow, five in 19 deliveries, turned the match on its

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head, got the winning wicket as well. England last won it in 2009,

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Shrubsole was the player of the match. Pure elation I think. I

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always think it's better when you're all out there in the field because

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you have got your team-mates around you and this World Cup really has

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been a team effort. People have chipped in along the way, we have

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fought our way through some games, haven't necessarily won the pretest.

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Test cricket is all about winning, and not how you do it. Look at this

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tweet from Ian Shrubsole, a picture of Anya in 2001 when she was 11 and

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"what a place, I would like to play here for England in a World Cup

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final", is what she said. Didn't she just! That is absolutely brilliant.

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Dreams can come true! Chris Froome, he wins the Tour de France again? !

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That is a dream isn't it of all his four titles. He says this was the

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toughest because his rivals were so much better this year. 54 seconds

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his margin of victory, the narrowest of all his victories. There he is,

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victory parade up the Elysee, a glass or two of bubbly, as is

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customary. He's 32 now, says he'd like to carry on competing for

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another five years. Four men have won five tours, the likes of the

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great Eddie Merks, so there is every chance he could join some of the

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greats, if not surpass them. My word, what an achievement that is,

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the toughest grand Tour of Them all. He didn't win a single stage either,

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the seventh man only to wear that yellow jersey without wearing a

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single stage. But a real team effort from Team Sky to help Froome on his

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way to the fourth title. We'll talk about why he isn't loved more by the

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British public later. Your views welcome. No British winner at the

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Open but a fantastic day at Royal Birkdale?

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Royal Birkdale has now staged ten Open championships but no British

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winner. There was a real battle between Matt Kuchar and Jordan

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Spieth and we wondered how we could getting gauged with it. Jordan

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Spieth led from the first day and were three clear overnight but a

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dramatic final round. He threw away that lead in the first four with

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bogeys. And then at 13 he unravelled, ending up halfway up the

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hill. That was unplayable and it got complicated. It took 20 minutes to

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work out where he could drop the ball. They said the line of sight

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was in between those two drugs, and they couldn't do that. He is in the

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practice area. He birdied it and Matt Kuchar went into the lead. But

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then birdie, eagle, birdie, birdie, finishing on 12 under, three clear

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of Matt Kuchar. He is the master is open champion from 2015. But that

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claret jug, after the way he won after nearly throwing it all away,

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he says it is his greatest major yet and he is only 23. Thank you.

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Amazing. More from Olly throughout the morning.

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It is 50 years this week since gay sex was decriminalised.

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In 1967 the law in England and Wales changed so that it was no longer

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a crime for two consenting adult men over 21 to have sex.

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For some, that date was a watershed moment. For others it was just the

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start. Five decades on, how

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much has changed? We must be out and about

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in pubs, in clubs and in the classroom, talking

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about homosexuality and in fact, in that sense,

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promoting homosexuality. I'm now very happy to announce that

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you are now legally husbands. My focus and priority has

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been on my ministry, on serving God and serving God's

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people, and I do that, How much has changed? This email

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suggests not much. I am a 51-year-old gay man and I have had

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numerous homophobic insults. The last result was in March and my ribs

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and some were broken in an attack by four security personnel. In my

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experience homophobia is still a massive problem and the authorities

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are reluctant to even acknowledge my assaults. Someone who has seen

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attitudes change hugely over the course of his life is 94-year-old

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George Montague, who calls himself the oldest gay in the village.

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He was convicted in the 1970s for gross indecency.

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Peter Tatchell has spent most of his life campaigning

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on behalf of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and

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He describes what happened 50 years ago as partial decriminalisation.

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Ferhan Khan came out to his Muslim family when he was 15.

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She only came out to her children over the weekend.

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Her parents still don't know which is why we're only

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Welcome to all of you. How are you? Fine. Look at the smile on your

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face. I really want to know what has changed over your lifetime in terms

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of the way people treat gay men. Well, I lived a total lie, in the

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closet, with a wife and three lovely children, and I did a lot of acting

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and I was totally accept it as a heterosexual person. Nobody in the

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world except my wife knew I was gay until nine years ago. And when you

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came out, how did that change your life? When I was brought up, the

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hero of my life was Lord Baden Powell. I was a good Boy Scout and I

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did everything I should have done. You don't tell lies. I realised I

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was living a lie and I had to do something about it. So I went and

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had a long chat with my children and my daughter said, daddy, we have

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known for years! Then I took the bull by the horns, and I thought the

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best thing to do, I was living in Brighton at the time, was to go to

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Brighton pride, which is one of the best in the country. It is

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wonderful. All the houses with windows, the windows are full of

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people waving and shouting and cheering and even the people at the

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bus stops are cheering. It is wonderful. The best day of my life.

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And I am looking forward to the next one in a few weeks. Peter, let's

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talk about 1967 and what did change in practical terms. We talk about

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liberalisation but it was not as liberal as people think. Up until

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1967, gay and bisexual men could face a maximum sentence of life

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imprisonment. That was ended in 1967 but it was a partial, limited

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decriminalisation. All the anti-gay laws dating back centuries and they

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remained in force. They were policed in fact with ever greater

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aggression, so that in the years after 1967, the number of gay and

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bisexual men convicted rose by 400%. Including George Montague, who was

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convicted in the 1970s for gross indecency. Full decriminalisation

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only happened across the UK four years ago. Between 1967 and 2013, at

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least 15,000 men who were gay or bisexual were convicted for

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consenting to same-sex behaviour. It's is absolutely shocking and it

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is appalling it took so long. It took so long to get full legal

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equality in terms of the criminal law. I have friends who were

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arrested and convicted because they were under the age of 21, which was

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the age of consent set in 1967. 18 or 19, they were arrested. One of

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them went to prison for six months, to a young offenders institution,

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for consenting loving same-sex relationship. This was in the late

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1970s. It seems extraordinary. Winnie, hello. Thank you for coming

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on the programme. You came out as bisexual a year ago to friends and

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family. What has the last year be like for you? It has actually been

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really amazing, the support from my work colleagues and my friends. Some

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of my family, but not all of my family know about it. I was actually

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really surprised. I have not had any negative experiences. I recently

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told my children this weekend. They are ten and 11. They were absolutely

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amazing. I really underestimated telling them. They dealt with it

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really well. They really understood. They sat down and we explained it to

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them. They still see me as money, I am still the same person and I am

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that person at work as well. -- they Seanie as mummy. I am part of the

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equality network and Mike Ochoa has been with me 100% of the way. -- my

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co-chair. Do you wish you had done it sooner? It wasn't the right time.

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Coming out now felt right in itself. And what about your family, the

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older generations? I just don't think they would understand or

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accept it. My parents' generation would think it is wrong, not right,

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not normal, but I am who I am and they can either accept me for who I

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am or not. It is down to them. You come from a Muslim Pakistani family

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will. What was their reaction when you came out aged 15? That was

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nearly 20 years ago. Incredulity. They were just incredulous. You are

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gay? What? I think they thought I was too young to understand what I

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was saying. I don't think it impacted them in the way that it has

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now. It has been a journey since then. My sister is understood. They

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knew that you don't say that unless you are authentically attracted to

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the same gender. But it was hard finding acceptance and I still

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haven't found the acceptance that I really feel that I need. From

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relatives? Actually I don't have a lot of relatives in the UK. I have

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got some cousins. The rest of my family is in Pakistan. I am open on

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Facebook and I have had smatterings of acceptance from them. But here in

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the community back home in Glasgow, I haven't found the acceptance. I

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instinctively know that I am not really massively welcome as an

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openly gay man. At community events, weddings and things, I am not

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invited any more. I would say that the option to go back into the

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community and be part of the community is always there but I need

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that golden ticket. I need to marry a girl to be back. Do your parents

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still think you are going to marry a woman? There is some pressure to do

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it. I don't think they wanted to do it. I think they felt pressure from

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the rest of the community to get a marriage of convenience. The

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attitude is that the girl's duty is to hide your sexuality for you.

:28:15.:28:19.

Protestations that that isn't fair on the girl fall on deaf ears. What

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more needs to be done or is the fight over? We have made fantastic

:28:29.:28:32.

progress. Compared to a couple of decades ago, Britain is almost a

:28:33.:28:36.

different country. There has not only been a change in the law, but a

:28:37.:28:41.

change attitudes. Public attitudes are much more supportive, although

:28:42.:28:46.

you have said, there are still families who don't accept their LGBT

:28:47.:28:52.

kids. There is still homophobic hate crime today. 45% of young LGBT kids

:28:53.:28:56.

are bullied in schools and a lot of schools don't have an anti-bullying

:28:57.:28:58.

programme that specifically addresses that issue. There is big

:28:59.:29:05.

progress but more to be done. I think what we would like to reach is

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a situation where people's sexuality doesn't matter and nobody cares.

:29:10.:29:15.

Gay, straight, bisexual, trans. We want to get to a situation where

:29:16.:29:19.

nobody really cares that we accept the person and they love who they

:29:20.:29:27.

wish to love. George, you want an apology for the fact that you were

:29:28.:29:30.

convicted in the 1970s for gross indecency. You can't actually get a

:29:31.:29:39.

pardon because it is to do with the fact that the offence was in a

:29:40.:29:43.

public toilet. But what you want is an apology. I want an apology to the

:29:44.:29:50.

whole of the gate community for persecution of us for so many years.

:29:51.:29:57.

The police went out of their way to catch us, persecute and prosecute

:29:58.:30:02.

as. I think that is wrong. I didn't ask to be gay, I didn't choose to be

:30:03.:30:10.

gay, I was born that way. Therefore, once or twice I have spoken to

:30:11.:30:14.

children in school, and I say put your hands up if you are

:30:15.:30:19.

left-handed. Quite a number do. Now, I have got something to tell you. I

:30:20.:30:28.

am homosexual and I didn't ask to be. It is just nature. I would think

:30:29.:30:37.

in my opinion 5% or 10% of men are born that way. How is the campaign

:30:38.:30:41.

to get an apology going? Only a couple of days ago, New South

:30:42.:30:54.

Wales and New Zealand, it was on the radio, they've asked for a law,

:30:55.:30:59.

totally apologising for their whole communities for their law against

:31:00.:31:02.

homosexuality. That's what I want in this country. Who do you want to

:31:03.:31:05.

apologise? The government. The Prime Minister? The whole of the House of

:31:06.:31:16.

Commons. A unanimous debate and a unanimous apology to the whole of

:31:17.:31:23.

the gay community for the law of gross indecency should never have

:31:24.:31:29.

been brought into being, it should never have been brought in. Do you

:31:30.:31:34.

agree, Peter? Yes. We need a formal apology from the Prime Minister

:31:35.:31:37.

herself. She's the leader of the nation and she needs to make that

:31:38.:31:41.

formal apology, as do Chief Constables, like Cressida Dick, head

:31:42.:31:44.

of the Metropolitan Police. She needs to say, on behalf of the

:31:45.:31:49.

police, that they are sorry and apologise for the historic

:31:50.:31:51.

persecution of gay people. I think that would be a very important way

:31:52.:31:57.

of drawing a line under the historic persecution that so many gay people

:31:58.:32:02.

faced. If you talk about the last 100 years, about 100,000 gay and

:32:03.:32:06.

bisexual men were convicted for behaviour that in most cases

:32:07.:32:09.

wouldn't have been a crime if their partner had been a woman. That's

:32:10.:32:13.

shocking. Many of the men went to prison. Some of them were attacked

:32:14.:32:21.

and beaten by neighbours. Some were ostracised and rejected by families,

:32:22.:32:25.

they are now alcoholics, some had severe mental illnesses, some

:32:26.:32:34.

committed suicide. It's a shocking tale of stories. Jennifer says there

:32:35.:32:41.

is still so much to do to achieve true equality but brilliant that you

:32:42.:32:47.

are discussing the experience of HGBT people. Tim says what a

:32:48.:32:51.

struggle to get this far and attitudes still have to change. Sean

:32:52.:32:57.

says, we had over 30 gay insults outside our house in 2012. The

:32:58.:33:01.

perpetrator was known to us and the police. I apprehended the

:33:02.:33:04.

individual. I had to ask the police to arrest him. The police were not

:33:05.:33:09.

interested and the CPS said there wasn't enough evidence. Can you

:33:10.:33:18.

imagine a time when everybody treats everybody equally, when there were

:33:19.:33:22.

no homophobic insults or attacks? Can I imagine a time? Not really

:33:23.:33:30.

actually. Just from knowing how attitudes prevail, I suppose as

:33:31.:33:34.

humans, we tend to group people up and the majority tend to kind of

:33:35.:33:40.

hold sway over minorities that will deviate from the norm.

:33:41.:33:52.

It's about educating people actually. You have changed your

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mind, you couldn't see it now you can. What about you, Winnie, how old

:33:59.:34:06.

are you, do you mind me asking? 35. Do you imagine an era in your

:34:07.:34:11.

lifetime when there is equality, no insults, people treat you fairly and

:34:12.:34:16.

equally? I really hope there could be a time like that. At the moment,

:34:17.:34:21.

hearing everybody's experiences, it does seem quite far away but I think

:34:22.:34:28.

with a lot of support, education, especially Pride this year in London

:34:29.:34:33.

was absolutely amazing, the turnout was amazing and friends supporting

:34:34.:34:38.

colleagues and that, there could be a time but at the moment there is a

:34:39.:34:42.

long way ahead. An e-mail from someone who doesn't wish us to use

:34:43.:34:51.

their name. I'm a minister in a church and I'm totally unable to

:34:52.:34:56.

come out as gay. The church has not fully accepted gay relationships and

:34:57.:35:00.

at least one that I lead would be very much against me being gate.

:35:01.:35:04.

It's a difficult situation but as I still want to serve God and carry on

:35:05.:35:09.

working in this capacity because I'm gay doesn't change anything. I hope

:35:10.:35:13.

that this will make a difference. What would you say to that? George?

:35:14.:35:23.

Oh, dear. Oh, dear, I don't know. What would you say, Peter? I can

:35:24.:35:29.

understand his predicament entirely. It's only if we all come out that

:35:30.:35:34.

homophobia will be challenged and vanquished. So find supportive

:35:35.:35:42.

friends. We need people in all religions to challenge the

:35:43.:35:46.

homophobia that exists there to stand up against it and explain the

:35:47.:35:51.

case that love and compassion should triumph over prejudice and hate.

:35:52.:35:55.

Does that include people in the public eye who're not yet out?

:35:56.:36:01.

Absolutely. When I was growing up in the 60s there were no openly gay

:36:02.:36:08.

public figures at all. In the 70s, they were stereotypical versions

:36:09.:36:11.

mostly of gay men and hardly any lesbians. We now have lots of people

:36:12.:36:17.

out in public life but there are certain parts of life where it's

:36:18.:36:23.

still very unacknowledged. So in faith communities, there really is

:36:24.:36:29.

still a big issue about LGBT people and our acceptance and, all the

:36:30.:36:33.

major religions are supposedly about love and compassion so therefore

:36:34.:36:37.

surely they should accept their members and their faith leaders

:36:38.:36:42.

who're lesbian, gay or bisexual. It's a part of life, you know. Every

:36:43.:36:48.

society and culture throughout history, there'll be LGBT people,

:36:49.:36:52.

it's just part of a spectrum of human sexuality and we should just

:36:53.:36:55.

get used to it and accept it. I agree. Thank you very much for

:36:56.:36:58.

coming on the programme, George, lovely to see you, thank you Peter,

:36:59.:37:08.

Winnie as well. Get in touch with us, you can e-mail us anonymously.

:37:09.:37:17.

Still to come: New powers are not being used by the authorities

:37:18.:37:19.

despite a rise in hospital admissions. In a moment we speak to

:37:20.:37:26.

the family of a small girl who was mauled after five doings broke into

:37:27.:37:33.

her garden. We meet Love Island's fans and critics. Here is Rachel in

:37:34.:37:41.

the newsroom. The parents of Charlie Gard return to the High Court today

:37:42.:37:45.

with the judge set to consider new evidence from a US neurologist. His

:37:46.:37:48.

parents want to take their terminally ill baby to America for

:37:49.:37:53.

experimental treatment but doctors at Great Ormond Street Hospital

:37:54.:37:58.

believe it won't work and say the 11-month-old should be allowed to

:37:59.:38:02.

die with dignity. The Government's promising what it calls a revolution

:38:03.:38:06.

in the way electricity is generated, used and stored. The Business

:38:07.:38:10.

Secretary Greg Clark is to announce more investment in battery

:38:11.:38:13.

technology and details of a competition to boost innovation in

:38:14.:38:18.

energy storage. Under the plans, households could save up to ?40

:38:19.:38:24.

billion by 2015, it's thought. Britain's economic growth forecast

:38:25.:38:27.

has been downgraded by the International Monetary Fund

:38:28.:38:30.

following a weaker than expected performance at the start of the

:38:31.:38:33.

year. Back in April it was predicted the economy would grow by 2%. That

:38:34.:38:39.

figure has now been revised down to 1.7%. The Treasury says the report

:38:40.:38:43.

highlights the importance of a good brx it deal with the EU.

:38:44.:38:49.

The Duke of Cambridge has revealed how he tells his children stories

:38:50.:38:59.

about their grandmother Diana Diana Princess of Wales. That is a summary

:39:00.:39:08.

of the latest news. More at Ten. And Olly is back with the sport.

:39:09.:39:14.

These are the headlines: England's woman have wound their fourth

:39:15.:39:19.

cricket up with, they beat India in a thrilling finale. Anya Shrubsole

:39:20.:39:30.

was the star. Chris Froome said this was his toughest win of the Tour de

:39:31.:39:35.

France. He said he'd like to carry on competing for another five years.

:39:36.:39:42.

Jordan Spieth let slip a led at the Open but won brilliantly, finished

:39:43.:39:47.

clear of Matt Kuchar. Rory McIlroy was joint fourth. England are almost

:39:48.:39:50.

certain of a quarter-final place at the women's European Championship in

:39:51.:39:53.

Holland after a 2-0 win against Spain. Jodie Taylor scored her

:39:54.:39:59.

fourth goal of the tournament. Qualification is out of Scotland's

:40:00.:40:06.

hands as they lost 2-0 to Portugal. More sport later.

:40:07.:40:14.

Powers brought in to curb doing attacks are not being used to

:40:15.:40:21.

protect people from dangerous doings. ASBOs for doings were

:40:22.:40:24.

brought in three years ago, giving the police and local authorities

:40:25.:40:28.

more powers to demand irresponsible doing owners take steps to control

:40:29.:40:32.

their animals' behaviour and prevent afabbings. The notices are usually

:40:33.:40:36.

issued to deal with minor things like when a doing has been

:40:37.:40:39.

aggressive. They order the responsible person to stop doing

:40:40.:40:42.

something like letting the doing into a children's play area or

:40:43.:40:48.

making sure their pet is muzzled. Figures have revealed they are not

:40:49.:40:52.

being used regularly. More than three quarters of the 311 councils

:40:53.:40:56.

who responded to our Freedom of Information request have not issued

:40:57.:41:00.

a single one of the notices since they were introduced. Here with us

:41:01.:41:06.

Sandra McKevitt whose niece was attacked in her front garden by five

:41:07.:41:14.

doings. This is the first time she is speaking about the attack since

:41:15.:41:25.

it happened in May. Also two other guests. Some of you may find the

:41:26.:41:30.

photos we are going to show upsetting. How surprised are you

:41:31.:41:35.

Trevor to find that the notices are still not being used? I suppose it's

:41:36.:41:40.

relatively early days, it's still a disappointment. The intention is

:41:41.:41:44.

that it should provide for early inter-General Election to nip the

:41:45.:41:47.

problem in the bud before it gets out of hand. If it's not used, we

:41:48.:41:51.

are missing out on that opportunity. Why are they not being used? It may

:41:52.:41:56.

be that the victims just don't know that they should be complaining

:41:57.:42:00.

about it. It may be councils don't have the resources to deal with it.

:42:01.:42:08.

There could be some kind of confusion between police and council

:42:09.:42:11.

or lack of knowledge from the enforcers themselves. Is it the

:42:12.:42:15.

council's responsibility to issue the notices? Could be the council or

:42:16.:42:21.

the police. Sandra, thank you for coming on the programme. You had the

:42:22.:42:24.

most horrific experience earlier this year with your niece, Ella.

:42:25.:42:29.

Tell our audience a little bit about what happened? We were in the back

:42:30.:42:36.

garden having a picnic with Ella, Corey and Isla and they were

:42:37.:42:39.

starting to play a little game of tag. Then Corey and Isla were near

:42:40.:42:46.

the back door and me and Ella were further up the garden. We heard a

:42:47.:42:52.

loud bang on the six foot fence. The doing's head broke through. I

:42:53.:42:56.

immediately thought, this isn't going to end well, get the kids out

:42:57.:43:01.

of the way. So I asked Isla and Corey to go into the kitchen and

:43:02.:43:05.

stay there until I joined them with Ella. So I told them not tolike at

:43:06.:43:12.

the doings, not to run, take their time, go slowly. And then while I

:43:13.:43:16.

was telling them to do that, I got hold of Elle what's hand and by this

:43:17.:43:21.

time they'd all come through and they were circling us. How many

:43:22.:43:26.

doings? There was five of them. American bulldogs? Yes. American

:43:27.:43:31.

bully doings. I grabbed hold of Ella by the hand to lift her up and one

:43:32.:43:37.

of them had actually sunk his teeth into her shoulder and into her leg

:43:38.:43:44.

and then it was just absolute chaos. I was fighting, punching, kicking

:43:45.:43:48.

the doings trying to get them off her. My neighbour was shouting over

:43:49.:43:54.

his side of the fence, saying try and throw her over. They just

:43:55.:43:59.

wouldn't leave her alone. A neighbour at the back eventually

:44:00.:44:05.

jumped over the fence and distracted them and I saw my chance then to

:44:06.:44:10.

escape with Ella and we got through to the front of the house where

:44:11.:44:16.

people were trying to help us. A medic came first, he thought it was

:44:17.:44:21.

just a doing bite. He was horrified by what he found. I learnt later on

:44:22.:44:26.

that he was actually off with stress because he didn't realise how

:44:27.:44:31.

horrific her injuries were. What kind of injuries did she sustain?

:44:32.:44:36.

They basically just tore her face. Her cheek. You could see her bone,

:44:37.:44:41.

the skull. One of them got her by the mouth and severed all the

:44:42.:44:50.

nerves. They tore at her skull. She was bitten all over on the legs, the

:44:51.:44:57.

back, the arms and the blood was everywhere. The ambulance came. They

:44:58.:45:05.

realised they needed to get her to Alder Hey quickly. So the Air

:45:06.:45:12.

Ambulance landed nearby and they flew her, her heart stopped. She

:45:13.:45:18.

stopped breathing. When she got to Alder Hey, she had to endure an

:45:19.:45:24.

eight-hour operation while the fabulous surgeons there basically

:45:25.:45:25.

had to sew her face back on. Tell us how she is now. She is a

:45:26.:45:39.

fighter. She teaches us. They told us that she would not be able to do

:45:40.:45:45.

anything nowadays and within hours she was sitting up and trying to

:45:46.:45:49.

boss us about. She is totally confused. The other two kids were

:45:50.:45:57.

terrified of dogs before. This has just confirmed their fears. If we go

:45:58.:46:04.

out anywhere, it takes hours of coaxing. Will there be dogs? Where I

:46:05.:46:12.

work, they very generously got a lovely garden set of swings for us,

:46:13.:46:19.

and she wants them indoors. The psychological effects of it. I have

:46:20.:46:25.

nightmares that I have gone blind and she is shouting for me to help

:46:26.:46:31.

her and I can't see her. She wakes up herself screaming get the dogs

:46:32.:46:40.

off me. The others are the same. You had complained about the dogs and he

:46:41.:46:44.

talked about the fact that they were aggressive and there was the stink

:46:45.:46:50.

of dog mess the whole time. I was getting evidence together myself. We

:46:51.:46:53.

basically couldn't go out in the back garden. I had spoken to my

:46:54.:47:01.

neighbour. He is not a bad person. You can talk to him. I will never

:47:02.:47:05.

forget the look on his face when he realised what the dogs had done. He

:47:06.:47:10.

was absolutely distraught. What happened to the dogs and the owner?

:47:11.:47:15.

The dogs were taken away and destroyed. The puppies were given to

:47:16.:47:24.

charity. The dog owner is now in prison. Let me read some messages

:47:25.:47:30.

from people listening to you talk about this. Colleen says I have a

:47:31.:47:37.

band breed pit bull type dog. It has an amazing temperament and it loves

:47:38.:47:41.

children. I believe it is how you treat the dog which determines the

:47:42.:47:46.

way it behaves. John has texted and said he owns a pit bull. I don't

:47:47.:47:52.

think the Dangerous Dogs Act works. As an owner of a dangerous dog, in

:47:53.:47:56.

inverted commas, which he has had since eight weeks old, it is the

:47:57.:48:02.

most placid dog you could ever meet. The issue is at the other end of the

:48:03.:48:07.

lead. The dog is a reflection of you. Tyler says I feel that dog

:48:08.:48:10.

breeds that are known to be violent should be banned. How people with

:48:11.:48:15.

these breed can get away with it, I don't know. What is your take on

:48:16.:48:26.

this and the fact that dogbos are not being used? I can think of

:48:27.:48:29.

nothing worse than this event. Children playing in their own garden

:48:30.:48:33.

should of course be safe. We accept that the Dangerous Dogs Act is not

:48:34.:48:36.

working but there is a reluctance to change because the last thing we

:48:37.:48:42.

want to see is further attacks. We did hope that these new notices

:48:43.:48:45.

would help things. We wanted it to act as an early warning system. In

:48:46.:48:50.

these circumstances, what we have got to remember is that there has

:48:51.:48:55.

been a change in the law to make on private property and offence. That

:48:56.:48:59.

is what is happening in this case. But we want to see things that

:49:00.:49:03.

prevent these attacks from occurring rather than acting after the event.

:49:04.:49:07.

It is all very well prosecuting and destroying the dog. We need

:49:08.:49:12.

prevention. We hoped the new notices would give the opportunity for

:49:13.:49:16.

people to act as an early warning system, to alert the local

:49:17.:49:19.

authorities, and it is very disappointing that they are not

:49:20.:49:23.

being used. The kennel club ran an event for local authorities earlier

:49:24.:49:26.

this year to highlight these issues. It seems that all too often they

:49:27.:49:30.

want to bring in blanket notices to protect certain areas rather than

:49:31.:49:34.

targeting individuals. I think something needs to change. So it is

:49:35.:49:39.

a wasted opportunity in a way? I think it is. It is early days and I

:49:40.:49:49.

think the local authorities need to look at themselves and say what more

:49:50.:49:52.

can we do to protect communities? Thank you very much for talking to

:49:53.:49:54.

us. We appreciate it. And all the best to the children.

:49:55.:49:57.

It's been the surprise hit of the summer.

:49:58.:49:59.

So are Liam Gallagher and ex-England cricket captain Michael Vaughan.

:50:00.:50:03.

Even Jeremy Corbyn has named his favourite contestant.

:50:04.:50:05.

The dating show Love Island comes to a climax this evening.

:50:06.:50:12.

For those who haven't followed every coupling and break up

:50:13.:50:14.

and, full disclosure, that includes me,

:50:15.:50:16.

Put a group of impeccably-groomed, attractive young men and women

:50:17.:50:21.

encourage them to get into couples and watch what happens.

:50:22.:50:31.

The most popular couple at the end of the eight weeks wins ?50,000

:50:32.:50:34.

Here's a taster of the series and some of its top tweeted moments.

:50:35.:50:39.

At number four, they say honesty is the best policy unless

:50:40.:50:42.

you want people to like you, and Theo really doesn't

:50:43.:50:44.

I think if Tyler really liked him, she should go as well really.

:50:45.:50:50.

I'm just saying, if she really cared...

:50:51.:50:56.

There's a time and a place, and it's not the right

:50:57.:51:13.

At number three, Liv wishes Stormzy would just shut up and Chris

:51:14.:51:19.

At two, just when Olivia thought she was safe,

:51:20.:51:35.

Actually, we threw in a pair of spanners,

:51:36.:51:39.

Absolutely speechless for the first time in my life.

:51:40.:52:02.

At number one, it was a busy old night on Twitter when Johnny

:52:03.:52:07.

ditched Queen Camilla of the Villa and went in for the kill with Tyler.

:52:08.:52:13.

You're very important to me and I would never BLEEP

:52:14.:52:15.

I don't want to see you upset in a million years.

:52:16.:52:19.

There is no relevance of how I feel right now,

:52:20.:52:21.

to what you should then be pursuing with Tyler.

:52:22.:52:29.

Precisely 7.3 seconds after mugging off Camilla, he's away to PDA

:52:30.:52:36.

Kady McDermott came third on last year's show.

:52:37.:52:46.

Jeremy Lumb can't stop watching the programme

:52:47.:52:48.

after his girlfriend introduced him to the show.

:52:49.:52:51.

Sam Taylor, who's the editor of Britain's oldest women's

:52:52.:52:54.

magazine, thinks Love Island sets a bad example.

:52:55.:52:58.

And Emma Kelly is deputy entertainment editor at Metro.co.uk.

:52:59.:53:05.

Welcome. You met Scott on the last series. Are you still together? Yes,

:53:06.:53:12.

we live together and we even have a little dog. It is serious. What was

:53:13.:53:17.

it like starting a relationship on television? Is very weird, I'm not

:53:18.:53:23.

going to live. It isn't your average, is it? But one to tell

:53:24.:53:27.

their grandchildren. Why do you love it? I don't know. At first my

:53:28.:53:32.

girlfriend was watching it and I was watching it with their resentfully,

:53:33.:53:36.

that I got into it and I realised I enjoyed having something mindless to

:53:37.:53:43.

watch in the is evening and talking to everybody about it. I am on so

:53:44.:53:48.

many Whatsapp groups talking about it. Not everybody is watching it! It

:53:49.:53:53.

is getting 2.2 million and it is more popular than the first series.

:53:54.:53:59.

Why? It was a slow burner. It came after Celebrity Love Island and last

:54:00.:54:04.

year it started to get more momentum and people were talking about it and

:54:05.:54:08.

this year it is an event television, which we don't really have other

:54:09.:54:14.

than Strictly Come Dancing and The X factor. Everybody likes talking

:54:15.:54:19.

about what everybody is watching at work the next day. It is a communal

:54:20.:54:25.

event to watch. You invest in the people. Definitely. And you are not

:54:26.:54:32.

a fan? I can't say that I am a fan. It is a mystery to me. It is the

:54:33.:54:36.

lowest common denominator. No disrespect because I am sure it was

:54:37.:54:40.

full of lovely people. But where do we go from here? We have basically

:54:41.:54:46.

got couples just picking each other based on sex. That is it. Sorry, it

:54:47.:54:53.

isn't just based on sex. This year, Gabby Adcock cell are in love, you

:54:54.:54:56.

can tell, and they haven't had sex. -- Gabby and Marcel. I found my soul

:54:57.:55:06.

mate on there and we are going to marry. Sex is a big part of a

:55:07.:55:10.

relationship that it is not just about sex. No, but the highest

:55:11.:55:18.

traffic on social media and the young people I work with, the

:55:19.:55:21.

primary driver seems to be whether or not somebody is going to be

:55:22.:55:25.

getting off with somebody or not. There is a language around that. Is

:55:26.:55:31.

that a bad thing? I think it is a confusing thing particularly for

:55:32.:55:36.

young girls watching that. Is this really the most important thing

:55:37.:55:40.

about me? Walking around in a bikini, as long, bursting a balloon

:55:41.:55:44.

with my bottom. I don't think that is true. My friends that watch it,

:55:45.:55:51.

at least, we watch and it is the latest when somebody had sex, or

:55:52.:55:55.

they are swapping couples, that people are actually watching for the

:55:56.:56:00.

human relationships as well. They invest in the couples and people

:56:01.:56:03.

want to see them commit and work after the show. People can relate to

:56:04.:56:10.

it. That is why it is so big. It is about couples finding out about each

:56:11.:56:13.

other and falling in love. Who doesn't want to watch couples

:56:14.:56:17.

falling in love? Yes, you argue and you have sex, but that is part of a

:56:18.:56:21.

relationship. I think everyone's favourite couple this year is

:56:22.:56:26.

probably the bromance with Chris, nonsexual. That is tribute to the

:56:27.:56:32.

50th anniversary that changed the world for the better! Of course. I

:56:33.:56:36.

am sure Peter Tatchell would tell us. It is also the trials. The

:56:37.:56:47.

ping-pong trial. But you do them on hen dos. You do them on nights out

:56:48.:56:54.

with your friends. Do you? Yes, I think young people relate to these

:56:55.:56:58.

things. You get your bare bottom out and you burst balloon? The girls get

:56:59.:57:02.

their bottoms out because they want to. It is ready to wear thong

:57:03.:57:09.

bikinis and if you have a nice bottom, why not? So girls go to hen

:57:10.:57:13.

dos and squash balloons? I went on a hen do in a beat that we didn't do

:57:14.:57:16.

exactly that but we did fun game that it was the best thing ever. I

:57:17.:57:21.

don't think it is demeaning for lots of these people. They know what they

:57:22.:57:24.

are getting into, they are having fun, they are living in a villa.

:57:25.:57:29.

They are in their 20s and who can say they have been an Love Island? I

:57:30.:57:34.

don't think I said it is demeaning. It is a confusing message for

:57:35.:57:38.

younger women. A lot of the terms, we know that they are printed on

:57:39.:57:47.

Primark T-shirts. Like you are 100% on paper. What I can't understand is

:57:48.:57:50.

they are in front of them, so they are not on paper. If somebody asked

:57:51.:57:56.

you what is your type and use their tall, dark and handsome, that is

:57:57.:58:01.

your type on paper. But they are in front of them? But talking to your

:58:02.:58:06.

friends, you say they are my type on paper. If I like dark hair, I say he

:58:07.:58:15.

is my type on paper. So what would be the next level after Love Island?

:58:16.:58:19.

Where do we go culturally from there? Does it have to go anywhere

:58:20.:58:26.

culturally? Can it just be entertaining escapism? I think so.

:58:27.:58:31.

People have found love and I am an example. It is a dating show. Blind

:58:32.:58:43.

Date, souped up. For the summer. We already have these shows. Naked

:58:44.:58:48.

Attractions. That is something else. We already have these shows and I

:58:49.:58:56.

don't think Love Island is as salacious as people are making it

:58:57.:59:00.

out to be. It is based on people finding love. Yes, they have sex,

:59:01.:59:04.

but couples have sex. And nice people win in the end, broadly

:59:05.:59:09.

speaking? I like to think that Scott and I are nice! I didn't mean that!

:59:10.:59:15.

And the couple that came second, they are engaged. They are head over

:59:16.:59:19.

heels for each other. The couple that came first are unfortunately

:59:20.:59:23.

not together any more but they are expecting a baby. It can happen. The

:59:24.:59:27.

final is tonight. Three of you will be watching. Will you watch the

:59:28.:59:33.

final? I feel compelled to! You will be watching! OK! Thank you for

:59:34.:59:38.

coming in. Coming up: Four out of five NHS trusts are not giving women

:59:39.:59:44.

smear test results within the two week deadline and we will find out

:59:45.:59:48.

why. All the latest news and sport in a moment but first the weather

:59:49.:59:49.

with Carol. Good morning. Weather is mixed fortunes today. In

:59:50.:00:01.

a west, sunshine, but in the east, cloud. Look at these beautiful

:00:02.:00:05.

pictures. Blue skies in Cornwall. Another lovely one from the Wirral.

:00:06.:00:09.

This is Cambridgeshire, where we have got more cloud. You can see

:00:10.:00:14.

nicely in the satellite picture that west is best in terms of sunshine.

:00:15.:00:19.

In central and eastern areas this morning, more cloud. That is

:00:20.:00:24.

producing drizzly outbreaks of rain. Through the day, this weather front

:00:25.:00:27.

responsible for that will push in the direction of the North Sea. It

:00:28.:00:31.

should start to brighten up under the ridge of high pressure across

:00:32.:00:34.

the Midlands for example. East Anglia could see some sunshine

:00:35.:00:37.

through the course of the afternoon as well. If you are anywhere down

:00:38.:00:42.

this North Sea coastline, it will feel quite chilly. We have that

:00:43.:00:47.

onshore wind. It is accents rating the coalfield. If you are in the

:00:48.:00:56.

cloud or rain, you will feel that. -- it accentuates the cold feeling.

:00:57.:01:04.

At Scotland is nicer, with Glasgow reaching 26. Cloud breaking up in

:01:05.:01:09.

Lothian and the Borders towards Northumberland. North West England

:01:10.:01:13.

hanging onto sunshine. Where we have the influence of the weather front,

:01:14.:01:18.

there is more cloud, especially in eastern areas with the rain. East

:01:19.:01:22.

Anglia has got brighter skies and the Midlands has got brain is coming

:01:23.:01:25.

through. We are back into the sunshine as we drift into south-west

:01:26.:01:30.

England. 23 in Cardiff and Plymouth and for most of Wales it will be dry

:01:31.:01:35.

and sunny. Into the evening and overnight, if anything we start to

:01:36.:01:40.

lose the showers. The winds ease down a touch and we get clear skies

:01:41.:01:44.

and isolated pockets of fog, nothing too dramatic. Under clear skies

:01:45.:01:48.

across the Highlands, temperatures will dip down lower than you can see

:01:49.:01:51.

in the charts, down into single figures. Tomorrow we start with

:01:52.:01:56.

sunshine where we have had clear skies by night and there will be

:01:57.:02:00.

some cloud around but through the day, it will turn over and we will

:02:01.:02:04.

see sunny intervals develop in. Drier down the east coast and not as

:02:05.:02:12.

cold as today. We have cloud coming down across Cornwall, the Isles of

:02:13.:02:16.

Scilly, courtesy of this low pressure, and on Wednesday it will

:02:17.:02:22.

rattle quickly from west to east. If you look at the squeeze on the

:02:23.:02:26.

isobars, it will also be quite windy. A blustery, wet day. When she

:02:27.:02:32.

starts off dry in the east, but it will not take long for the rain to

:02:33.:02:38.

rattle through. -- Wednesday starts off dry in the east. It will

:02:39.:02:44.

eventually clear for some. Behind it, bright skies, sunshine and

:02:45.:02:49.

showers. That is how we are going to end the week, sunshine and showers.

:02:50.:02:53.

This week is fairly changeable with the wettest day on Wednesday. And

:02:54.:02:58.

rather cool if you are stuck under the cloud and the rain. And Thursday

:02:59.:03:01.

and Friday and into the weekend, sunshine and showers.

:03:02.:03:03.

Hello it's Monday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:03:04.:03:06.

Our top story today; the judge considering whether to allow doctors

:03:07.:03:10.

to turn off the life support for terminally ill baby Charlie Gard

:03:11.:03:13.

will consider new evidence from an American neurologist today.

:03:14.:03:17.

Charlie's parents say they have been victims

:03:18.:03:21.

of a "backlash" from the public after Great Ormond Street Hospital

:03:22.:03:24.

revealed staff had received death threats.

:03:25.:03:38.

Threats have been made to the staff at Great Ormond Street Hospital and

:03:39.:03:47.

the parents. At no stage has Charlie's supporters condoned any

:03:48.:03:49.

such action. Also on the programme;

:03:50.:03:51.

taken hostage, kidnapped we hear from some of

:03:52.:03:53.

the Yazidi Women and children rescued from so called Islamic

:03:54.:03:58.

State. And, Prince William and Harry have

:03:59.:04:09.

paid moving tributes to their mother in a new documary out tonight

:04:10.:04:18.

to mark the 20th anniversary There were two grandmother's in

:04:19.:04:32.

their lives. It's important that they know that.

:04:33.:04:40.

Paul says baby Charlie should be allowed to die with dignity and it's

:04:41.:04:50.

futile keeping him alive. Another person says he should go to the US,

:04:51.:04:55.

it might improve things but it might not. Give it a try. Why should a

:04:56.:04:59.

judge play God. Charlie Gard's parents are back at

:05:00.:05:03.

the High Court today. The government is promising what it

:05:04.:05:30.

calls a revolution in the way electricity is generated,

:05:31.:05:33.

used and stored. The business secretary, Greg Clark,

:05:34.:05:35.

is to announce more investment in battery technology and details

:05:36.:05:38.

of a competition to boost Under the plans, it's thought

:05:39.:05:41.

households could save up Britain's economic growth

:05:42.:05:47.

forecast has been downgraded by the International Monetary Fund -

:05:48.:05:53.

following a weaker than expected performance at the start

:05:54.:06:05.

of the year. has been downgraded

:06:06.:06:06.

by the International Monetary Fund - following a weaker than expected

:06:07.:06:11.

performance at the In April, it was predicted

:06:12.:06:13.

the economy would grow by two per cent but that figure has now

:06:14.:06:17.

been revised down to 1.7%. The Treasury says the report

:06:18.:06:20.

highlights the importance of a good At least 24 people have been killed

:06:21.:06:23.

and more than 40 injured in a suicide bomb attack

:06:24.:06:27.

in the Afghan capital, Kabul. It's understood the attacker

:06:28.:06:30.

detonated the car bomb close to a bus carrying government

:06:31.:06:32.

employees in the west of the city. It's not yet clear who

:06:33.:06:35.

was behind the attack. Scientists say they're examining

:06:36.:06:37.

a potential breakthrough in the case of the missing Sheffield toddler,

:06:38.:06:40.

Ben Needham - who disappeared on the Greek island of Kos,

:06:41.:06:45.

26 years ago today. Human material has been found

:06:46.:06:47.

in soil samples gathered last Figures obtained by this programme

:06:48.:06:52.

show that powers brought in to curb dog attacks are not being used

:06:53.:07:10.

by the authorities. Community Protection Notices,

:07:11.:07:13.

also known as Dogbos or ASBOs for dogs were brought

:07:14.:07:15.

in 3 years ago. They give police and local

:07:16.:07:17.

authorities more powers to demand dog owners take steps

:07:18.:07:20.

to control their animals' behaviour. More than three quarters of the 311

:07:21.:07:24.

councils who responded to our Freedom of Information

:07:25.:07:27.

request have not issued a single The Duke of Cambridge has revealed

:07:28.:07:30.

how he tells his children stories about their grandmother,

:07:31.:07:39.

Diana Princess of Wales. As they approach the 20th

:07:40.:07:40.

anniversary of their mother's death, Princes William and Harry have been

:07:41.:07:45.

giving an insight into how It's hard because obviously

:07:46.:07:56.

Katherine didn't know her so she can not really provide that level of

:07:57.:08:00.

detail so I do regularly, putting George and Charlotte to bed, talk

:08:01.:08:05.

about her and try to remind them that there are two grandmothers,

:08:06.:08:08.

there were two grandmothers in their lives.

:08:09.:08:11.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10.30.

:08:12.:08:17.

We'll show you more of that documentary later, it's on ITV

:08:18.:08:21.

tonight. Richard on gay sex says partly

:08:22.:08:38.

decriminalised, not decriminalised. Nothing's changed. Even though

:08:39.:08:44.

decriminalised, the long, slow grind of having parry's had profound

:08:45.:08:52.

effects on me -- parity. My hope is that people growing up now are given

:08:53.:08:56.

a chance to live a life without knowing what it's like to be on the

:08:57.:09:00.

outside looking in. Matt says I came out when I was 16, I'm 32 and my

:09:01.:09:05.

parents kicked me out, then they offered me therapy. The therapist

:09:06.:09:08.

asked me to leave and said there's nothing wrong with you, it's your

:09:09.:09:12.

parents that need therapy. Ever since then, my parents slowly

:09:13.:09:15.

changed their view and are now very supportive. Kevin says I came out in

:09:16.:09:21.

1999, my family disowned me. They finally accepted me in 2005. I still

:09:22.:09:27.

get verbal abuse. Only six weeks ago I returned from a night out in

:09:28.:09:31.

London at GAYE, we were abused and spat at on the night bus. My partner

:09:32.:09:36.

and I were upset. The work is not over. Richard says, I came out 25

:09:37.:09:40.

years ago, the change over those years has been amazingly positive,

:09:41.:09:44.

however there is still a really long way to go. Get in touch with us. If

:09:45.:09:50.

you are texting, you will be charged. Olly is back with the

:09:51.:09:56.

sport! England's women have won the Cricket World Cup for a fourth time.

:09:57.:10:02.

It was a thrilling final against India at Lord's. England batted

:10:03.:10:08.

first. They set a fairly modest 229 for India to chase. They looked like

:10:09.:10:13.

achieving that with a classy knock of 86 from their opener. They

:10:14.:10:19.

collapsed, lost the last seven with 28 runs. Anya Shrubsole was the star

:10:20.:10:34.

of the show. Pure elation I think. I always think it's better winning

:10:35.:10:37.

when you're all out there in the field because you have your

:10:38.:10:39.

team-mates around you. This World Cup's really been a team effort.

:10:40.:10:44.

People have chipped in, we have fought our way through. Haven't

:10:45.:10:47.

necessarily won the prettiest at times. Tournament cricket is all

:10:48.:10:50.

about winning, not necessarily about how you win, it's all about getting

:10:51.:10:54.

over the line. Chris Froome says he'd like to take part in the Tour

:10:55.:10:59.

de France for another five years. He's second on the list of all-time

:11:00.:11:10.

victories. It was the traditional victory parade yesterday. It was his

:11:11.:11:15.

third triumph in a row, he did it without winning a single stage. His

:11:16.:11:19.

winning margin of 54 seconds was the narrowest. He says this tour was the

:11:20.:11:23.

hardest because his rivals were so much better this year. Incredible

:11:24.:11:29.

feeling to ride on to the Elysee even after having done it three

:11:30.:11:34.

times previously. It doesn't diminish at all. It's still all the

:11:35.:11:39.

same emotions here. I mean, it's incredible. Pollutely incredible. --

:11:40.:11:46.

absolutely incredible. Jordan Spieth had a roller coaster of a day

:11:47.:11:53.

yesterday. He went walk about on the 13th, sliced his drive, spent 20

:11:54.:11:57.

minutes finding the ball which was unplayable and working out where to

:11:58.:12:00.

drop it with the help of the officials. He finally took his shot

:12:01.:12:06.

from the mid offal the practise area. Three birdies, an eagle saw

:12:07.:12:14.

Spieth claiming the Claret Jug by three shots. His first Open triumph.

:12:15.:12:20.

He's 23, he's also won the Masters and the US Open. Jack Nicklaus is

:12:21.:12:25.

the only other player to have won three major titles at that age. Some

:12:26.:12:30.

football for you, England look almost certain of a quarter-final

:12:31.:12:34.

spots at the European Championship in the Netherlands. They beat Spain

:12:35.:12:38.

2-0 and were helped by a change of heart by the referee. Ellen White

:12:39.:12:43.

handled the ball in the box. The ref awarded Spain a penalty but changed

:12:44.:12:47.

her mind with clarification from England's players that it had been

:12:48.:12:52.

accidental. After that let-off, England's Jodie Taylor doubled their

:12:53.:12:57.

lead, so 2-0 to England. They're top of the group. Scotland's hopes of

:12:58.:13:02.

reaching the quarters is out of their hands. They're bottom of the

:13:03.:13:06.

group after losing 6-0 to England in the first match. They lost 2-1 to

:13:07.:13:14.

Portugal last night. Erin Cuthbert equalised but they fell behind

:13:15.:13:18.

shortly after. The Scots will need a big win and they'll be hoping

:13:19.:13:26.

England beat Portugal. The athletics paras came to an end last night.

:13:27.:13:31.

They won four on the final morning yesterday, including a gold for

:13:32.:13:36.

Sammy Kinghorn who added the 100 metres title to her 200 metres gold.

:13:37.:13:40.

She didn't finish on the podium in the 800. The British team won eight

:13:41.:13:45.

more medals at the Championships than they managed in Doha two years

:13:46.:13:50.

ago. So the paras going from strength-to-strength. Headlines

:13:51.:13:51.

later. Thank you very much. Nearly three years ago,

:13:52.:13:55.

so-called Islamic State fighters swept through northern Iraq

:13:56.:13:58.

where the countries oldest ethnic They expelled thousand

:13:59.:14:01.

of them from their homes Many of the men were shot,

:14:02.:14:07.

while the women and children were kidnapped, taken as hostage

:14:08.:14:13.

and raped in some cases raped The German government has stepped

:14:14.:14:16.

in to help by re-settling many of the women who have managed

:14:17.:14:22.

to escape captivity. We've been given exclusive access

:14:23.:14:25.

to a small group of them who are living in a secret location,

:14:26.:14:28.

in a psychiatric hospital It's the first time many

:14:29.:14:31.

of the women have spoken publicly Our reporter Fiona Lamdin has

:14:32.:14:36.

spent a couple of days with them as they attempted

:14:37.:14:40.

to re-build their lives. As you'd expect with this story some

:14:41.:14:44.

of the details in their story are upsetting and graphic

:14:45.:14:47.

and you may not want 17 Yazidis are living on this

:14:48.:14:49.

corridor in the middle of It's a long way from their

:14:50.:15:50.

home in northern Iraq, Three years ago, on 3rd August 2014,

:15:51.:15:57.

they were attacked by IS fighters. Many of the men were

:15:58.:16:12.

shot, and the women She and her family tried

:16:13.:16:14.

to escape up the mountain, Mount Sinjar, but they couldn't

:16:15.:16:23.

run fast enough. She was then kidnapped,

:16:24.:16:41.

torn apart from her mother, She told me she saw things that

:16:42.:16:43.

will always haunt her. Things which I found very

:16:44.:17:01.

difficult to listen to. We're not allowed to show

:17:02.:17:03.

you where the girls are living. Many of their families

:17:04.:17:44.

are still in captivity. But not far from here,

:17:45.:17:49.

those 17 Yazidis are integrating Many of them are even

:17:50.:17:51.

going to school here as they start So we focus on certain emotions

:17:52.:17:57.

like love, peace and joy, to forget fear, anxiety

:17:58.:18:06.

and other negative emotions. And here to help them, a team

:18:07.:18:11.

of mentors from across the world. Her nephew Amin was only

:18:12.:18:15.

seven when IS fighters He hasn't seen his

:18:16.:18:25.

parents for three years. But in the last month his mother has

:18:26.:18:30.

been spotted in a camp During today's meditation,

:18:31.:18:33.

he imagines that all his people are released and he sees himself

:18:34.:18:42.

reunited, celebrating It's thought his father

:18:43.:18:44.

was killed by IS fighters, the same who kidnapped his

:18:45.:18:56.

aunt and kept her a sex I'm telling them I want them to

:18:57.:18:59.

write down their dreams and goals. After all these girls have been

:19:00.:20:10.

through, it will take years Today's art therapy

:20:11.:20:13.

session is just a start. We can't show you this

:20:14.:20:20.

13-year-old girl. She doesn't know if her

:20:21.:20:22.

parents are still alive. She too was captured by IS,

:20:23.:20:32.

and now only communicates Jacqueline, tell me the difference

:20:33.:20:35.

you have seen in the girls It's incredible, going from tears,

:20:36.:20:46.

sadness, no eye contact... Leading this team is Jacqueline

:20:47.:20:55.

Isaac, an American lawyer, who spends much of her time

:20:56.:20:58.

advocating for women She was working in Iraq,

:20:59.:21:00.

taking aid to those Yazidis who escaped from IS by fleeing

:21:01.:21:10.

to Mount Sinjar - a mountain close to their villages,

:21:11.:21:13.

where many were left I met a mother and she

:21:14.:21:15.

was telling me how her She didn't know

:21:16.:21:22.

what happened to her. Make your government go out

:21:23.:21:25.

there and get our girls, Just days later, in one

:21:26.:21:33.

of the villages below the mountain, Ekhlas managed to escape

:21:34.:21:43.

while her abuser was out fighting. She was taken to a refugee camp

:21:44.:21:46.

and a few days later This footage was filmed just

:21:47.:21:49.

days after her escape. When I first met her,

:21:50.:22:13.

her head was down. There was no eye contact

:22:14.:22:15.

in the beginning. It was a porch,

:22:16.:22:24.

they were all sitting. There were counsellors we had

:22:25.:22:26.

brought, they were sitting on the right-hand side,

:22:27.:22:32.

on stand-by to give I remember thinking,

:22:33.:22:34.

this is not the time This is just the time for

:22:35.:22:37.

recognising them as human beings. The song she is looking

:22:38.:22:46.

for, is a song talking about what happened to her family

:22:47.:22:49.

and her people. Three months later,

:22:50.:22:51.

Ekhlas moved again. She's just one of thousands

:22:52.:22:53.

of Yazidis resettled They go to mainstream school

:22:54.:22:55.

with the rest of the town every day. But their education doesn't solely

:22:56.:23:10.

take place in German classrooms. Back where they live

:23:11.:23:17.

in the hospital, as well as music therapy, they are also being taught

:23:18.:23:32.

English by Jacqueline's team. Despite living 6000 miles apart,

:23:33.:23:34.

Jacqueline is dedicated to these girls, visiting them

:23:35.:23:41.

every few months. But even when she isn't with them,

:23:42.:23:43.

she talks to them online every week, When you look at all the recruits,

:23:44.:23:54.

Isis recruits coming from all over the world,

:23:55.:24:01.

how did they get What if we could reverse

:24:02.:24:03.

what was used as negative? What if we could use the same tool

:24:04.:24:14.

to transform the lives of the next Then we open up a centre in Iraq

:24:15.:24:17.

where over 40 girls are learning English through Skype,

:24:18.:24:24.

through the internet, by teachers who have

:24:25.:24:27.

volunteered their time. Every day the story was,

:24:28.:24:33.

"this is what has happened to me, this is what has happened

:24:34.:24:37.

to my people. But now they are overcoming

:24:38.:24:38.

their story of the past, and creating a story

:24:39.:24:46.

to define their own future. Just last year she

:24:47.:24:49.

addressed our Parliament. The result of her story -

:24:50.:25:05.

the House of Commons unanimously declared Yazidis victims

:25:06.:25:08.

of an Isis genocide. She now wants to become

:25:09.:25:10.

a lawyer here in Germany. Would you like to go back

:25:11.:25:13.

to Iraq to live there? These girls are now

:25:14.:25:16.

starting to live again, but they are living

:25:17.:25:40.

with deep, deep scars. These messages from you. Harrowing

:25:41.:26:27.

ordeal. I hope this young woman can get the help she needs to overcome

:26:28.:26:31.

the trauma. The UK should take these girls from refugee camps and do the

:26:32.:26:35.

same as Germany. That report was from Fiona Landen.

:26:36.:26:39.

The BBC has learned that 80% of NHS areas are failing to meet

:26:40.:26:42.

the government's two week target for women to receive

:26:43.:26:44.

There's currently a backlog caused by future changes to the way

:26:45.:26:48.

Laboratories say they're struggling to retain staff who will no longer

:26:49.:26:53.

be required when automated screening starts in 2019.

:26:54.:26:58.

Let's talk to Lou Armer who waited for seven weeks to receive

:26:59.:27:01.

And Robert Music is the chief executive of Jo's Cervical

:27:02.:27:09.

Welcome to you both. Good morning. Tell us what it is like waiting for

:27:10.:27:19.

seven weeks to get your results. It is horrendous. It is so hard not to

:27:20.:27:23.

get anxious with any test. But the longer it goes on, the more your

:27:24.:27:28.

head ties itself in knots and you start imagining all kinds of things.

:27:29.:27:36.

Not very nice. It is not just impacting on you either, but your

:27:37.:27:40.

family as well, isn't it? Of course the more stressed you are, the more

:27:41.:27:45.

it affects everybody around you. I just worried about it quietly

:27:46.:27:50.

really, and I was waiting for seven weeks and at the end of the seventh

:27:51.:27:53.

week, I got a letter inviting me to go for a smear test when I had just

:27:54.:27:58.

had one. It was at that point when I got in touch with my surgery to find

:27:59.:28:02.

out what was happening. Fortunately I got the result that day but they

:28:03.:28:06.

had only arrived at the surgery that day. I was really stressed and

:28:07.:28:16.

anxious. Why this backlog? Cervical screening, the first thing that we

:28:17.:28:19.

must say is that this is an important and powerful test and it

:28:20.:28:23.

prevents 75% of cervical cancers and we are very lucky to have the

:28:24.:28:27.

programme. The programme is going through some changes. In 2019 it

:28:28.:28:34.

will change. Cervical cancer is caused by the humour papilloma virus

:28:35.:28:41.

in 95% of all cases. And in 2019 they will change the way they look

:28:42.:28:44.

at smear tests. Instead of looking at the cells in a laboratory, they

:28:45.:28:49.

will look at the human papilloma virus DNA. That will identify women

:28:50.:28:55.

who are high risk earlier, and it does mean that there will be a

:28:56.:28:58.

reduction in terms of the numbers of people needed to be working in the

:28:59.:29:02.

laboratories. It seems to me that this is the problem. It is because

:29:03.:29:06.

the programme is changing into people are, leaving the laboratories

:29:07.:29:09.

now and there is a backlog, which is very concerning. What difference

:29:10.:29:17.

could a backlog make when it means that people like Lou are not getting

:29:18.:29:23.

the results in two weeks but are waiting for seven weeks? Anxiety and

:29:24.:29:32.

stress, but hopefully in terms of long-term concerns there are not too

:29:33.:29:39.

many. Some people might fall through the net and get a delayed diagnosis.

:29:40.:29:43.

If people have a bad experience around the programme, they may not

:29:44.:29:48.

come back. We are at a place where cervical screening is at a 19 year

:29:49.:29:52.

low and we are worried about the numbers of people attending. Why is

:29:53.:29:57.

that? You get letters every few years reminding you. But it is up to

:29:58.:30:00.

you to make the appointment. There are many barriers. We are dependent

:30:01.:30:06.

on the different age groups, different ethnicities. Sometimes it

:30:07.:30:09.

is simply access ability. If you are put off by a bad experience, you

:30:10.:30:14.

might not come back. It is very important that we turn around and

:30:15.:30:20.

reduce this backlog. And it is two years until the programme is

:30:21.:30:23.

introduced, so it could get worse, which is a worry. And when you got

:30:24.:30:29.

the results after seven weeks, what were you told, Lou? I was really

:30:30.:30:32.

lucky. It hadn't brought up anything. It was a huge relief. But

:30:33.:30:37.

if it had not been good news, I would have been thrown into another

:30:38.:30:43.

roller-coaster. But I was lucky that it was a good result. That is good

:30:44.:30:50.

to hear. Thank you, Lou and Robert. NHS England say they are working to

:30:51.:30:54.

reduce the backlog. They closely monitor the turnaround times were

:30:55.:30:57.

cervical screening against a very high process measure. That means

:30:58.:31:01.

that 90% of women screened should receive their results within two

:31:02.:31:07.

weeks. Cervical screening saves an estimated 5000 lives a year so it is

:31:08.:31:10.

vital that women take up the opportunity to be tested.

:31:11.:31:14.

The Police Watchdog is investigating the arrest of a young black man who

:31:15.:31:21.

died. We'll bring you the details. And, Chris Froome, Britain's Chris

:31:22.:31:24.

Froome, has won his fourth Tour de France. We'll have a lack at his

:31:25.:31:30.

achievements, what it took to get there and ask why isn't he more

:31:31.:31:38.

loved by the great British public? The latest news headlines with

:31:39.:31:50.

Rachel now. The parents of Charlie Gard are set to return to the High

:31:51.:31:54.

Court. Theth they want to take their baby to the US for experimental

:31:55.:31:58.

treatment. Doctors at Great Ormond Street Hospital believe it won't

:31:59.:32:01.

work and say the 11-month-old should be able to die with dignity.

:32:02.:32:07.

The government is promising what it calls a revolution in the way

:32:08.:32:10.

electricity is generated, used and stored.

:32:11.:32:13.

The business secretary, Greg Clark, is to announce more investment

:32:14.:32:16.

in battery technology and details of a competition to boost

:32:17.:32:18.

Under the plans, it's thought households could save up

:32:19.:32:22.

Britain's economic growth forecast has been downgraded

:32:23.:32:29.

by the International Monetary Fund - following a weaker than expected

:32:30.:32:33.

performance at the start of the year.

:32:34.:32:40.

In April, it was predicted the economy would grow by two

:32:41.:32:42.

per cent but that figure has now been revised down to 1.7%.

:32:43.:32:45.

The Treasury says the report highlights the importance of a good

:32:46.:32:48.

At least 24 people have been killed and more than 40 injured

:32:49.:32:56.

in a suicide bomb attack in the Afghan capital, Kabul.

:32:57.:32:58.

It's understood the attacker detonated the car bomb close

:32:59.:33:01.

to a bus carrying government employees in the west of the city.

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It's not yet clear who was behind the attack.

:33:06.:33:25.

The IPCC is investigating the death of a 20-year-old black man chased

:33:26.:33:30.

into a shop and restrained by officers in East London. There's

:33:31.:33:37.

been an outcry since security camera footage of the incident was shared

:33:38.:33:39.

on social media. Reacting to what she saw, Pauline,

:33:40.:34:06.

described as the Hackney heroin after the London riots, she knew the

:34:07.:34:10.

young man in that footage and says, he was no angel, he was well liked

:34:11.:34:14.

and helped lots of young people in the community. That boy should be

:34:15.:34:18.

alive today, sitting in a cell somewhere being able to tell his

:34:19.:34:23.

side of the story. But instead he's laying on a morgue waiting for an

:34:24.:34:27.

autopsy and waiting to be buried. And we've got to pick up the pieces,

:34:28.:34:31.

the community's got to pick up the pieces.

:34:32.:34:34.

Former Metropolitan Police superintendent Lee row Logan told me

:34:35.:34:44.

the CCTV footage raises some important questions -- Leroy Logan.

:34:45.:34:49.

I saw the footage and obviously it's showing an officer restraining a

:34:50.:34:55.

person believed to be a suspect and, of course, force was being used

:34:56.:35:04.

around the person's upper body. Of course, we now know that that person

:35:05.:35:11.

has passed away. When it comes to restraining a suspect, presumably

:35:12.:35:13.

proportionality is the key, is it? Absolutely. Whenever any action that

:35:14.:35:23.

an officer has to take has to take into account a person's human rights

:35:24.:35:32.

and that must be clear in an officer's mind and he or she must

:35:33.:35:38.

know that their action has to be proportionate, it has to be legal

:35:39.:35:45.

and it has to be necessary. These are the tests that have to be looked

:35:46.:35:54.

at by the investigating officers in the Independent Police Complaints

:35:55.:35:58.

Commission. Of course, if it goes further, in terms of the Crown

:35:59.:36:03.

Prosecution Service, or even further to the courts. As you well know,

:36:04.:36:09.

there is often no time when it comes to an arresting officer to assess

:36:10.:36:14.

the risks. That's presumably when the training kicks in. You make a

:36:15.:36:19.

judgment, a decision and your training kicks in from there? Yes.

:36:20.:36:25.

Officers are trained, they're professionals, so they should have

:36:26.:36:29.

it clearly in their minds whenever they in any form of encounter with a

:36:30.:36:35.

person, whether it's a suspect or otherwise, they have to do their

:36:36.:36:41.

dynamic risk assessment. It's obviously, bearing in mind a safety

:36:42.:36:45.

to the public, safety to themselves and obviously safety of the suspect,

:36:46.:36:52.

and that's inherent of the job. They have to take these very critical

:36:53.:36:58.

areas into consideration, especially when it comes to a volatile

:36:59.:37:08.

situation, you know. Unfortunately, society, the courts, dictate that

:37:09.:37:12.

officers have to be professional in a volatile situation as they are in

:37:13.:37:18.

a reasonable and slow-moving situation. How significant could it

:37:19.:37:28.

be that the Met say the suspect was taken ill after trying to swallow an

:37:29.:37:34.

object? Well, it's obviously a consideration but however, you ever

:37:35.:37:40.

to lack at it in the cold light of day and the legal test is, was the

:37:41.:37:46.

officer's actions reasonable in trying to remove something out of

:37:47.:37:49.

the person's mouth, if that's what they were trying to do? Fanned that

:37:50.:38:02.

in any way -- if that contributed to that person, you know, being

:38:03.:38:06.

traumatised in some way, that has to be taken into consideration. Those

:38:07.:38:12.

are the things that, yes, it may be seen as a cause for some form of

:38:13.:38:21.

defence, but ultimately, it will be looked at under legal tests of

:38:22.:38:25.

whether it's proportionate and whether it's necessary. Former

:38:26.:38:31.

Metropolitan Police superintendent Leroy Logan. Britain's Chris Froome

:38:32.:38:35.

has won the Tour de France for the fourth time in five years. This is

:38:36.:38:40.

what he said after winning. Incredible feeling to ride on to the

:38:41.:38:47.

Elysee, even after having done it three times previously, it doesn't

:38:48.:38:51.

diminish it at all. It's still all the same emotions are here. It's

:38:52.:38:54.

just incredible. Absolutely incredible. That is astonishing,

:38:55.:39:01.

winning it takes more mental and physical preparation probably than

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any other event. This tour in particular probably one of the most

:39:06.:39:10.

ferocious. Three weeks, cyclists race 2,000 miles up some of the most

:39:11.:39:16.

difficult hills imaginable. So why doesn't Chris Froome get the

:39:17.:39:20.

recognition he deserves, why doesn't he get the love he deserves from the

:39:21.:39:27.

British public. Let's talk to one of the country's leading cyclists.

:39:28.:39:30.

We'll also hear from Michael Hutchinson on his way back from

:39:31.:39:34.

Paris. David you say Chris Froome is one of the greatest sportsmen of

:39:35.:39:38.

all-time, explain why you believe that? He's won the Tour de France

:39:39.:39:42.

four times and you could easily argue that the Tour de France is the

:39:43.:39:46.

single greatest sporting event, certainly the most gruelling. For

:39:47.:39:53.

anybody to win that four times is pretty astonishing an achievement.

:39:54.:40:00.

You don't have roads to train on, you don't have proper bikes. This is

:40:01.:40:07.

a guy who learnt to cycle. He was a very middle class white kid living

:40:08.:40:14.

in they Roby, he learns to sickle. He goes and lives in a township and

:40:15.:40:23.

survives -- in Nairobi and learns to cycle. You never expect he can end

:40:24.:40:31.

up at the Tour de France and win the race four times. In my view, he's

:40:32.:40:36.

won it clean and I think he's doing an incredible amount to try to

:40:37.:40:42.

restore cycling's lost trust. I'm not sure that he's succeeded, but

:40:43.:40:46.

he's certainly, you know, made his contribution to a very difficult

:40:47.:40:50.

situation. Why don't the British public love him more? I think a lot

:40:51.:40:57.

of people who understand cycling and sport, who understand people do love

:40:58.:41:02.

him. There's plenty of people who don't understand him. I mean, I read

:41:03.:41:11.

this morning he wasn't on the list for BBC Sports personality of the

:41:12.:41:14.

year, sorry it makes a mockery of that. He wasn't on it. The

:41:15.:41:22.

knighthoods that Bradley Wiggins and Dave Brailsford receives, nothing

:41:23.:41:27.

more deserving than a case of Chris Froome for a knighthood. He was born

:41:28.:41:31.

in Kenya, he felt he was British but he's never lived here, which is

:41:32.:41:36.

true, but it would have been a much more romantic story had Chris

:41:37.:41:41.

embraced his kind of Kenyan roots and said, I'm Kenyan, but he didn't

:41:42.:41:45.

feel Kenyan and couldn't fake it. Is that one of the reasons he doesn't

:41:46.:41:48.

live here or play the celebrity game, you know, you are not going to

:41:49.:41:53.

see him having selfies with Paul Weller, for example, or what about

:41:54.:41:58.

Team Sky's difficulties with Bradley Wiggins and the therapeutic use

:41:59.:42:04.

exemptions and the Jiffy bag? Yes, that definitely has seriously

:42:05.:42:07.

impacted on Team Sky with their credibility. It's impacted on

:42:08.:42:14.

Bradley and Dave. The rider most critical of what went on at Team Sky

:42:15.:42:19.

at that time was Chris Froome. He's never supported Dave Brailsford on

:42:20.:42:23.

this, he's been almost hostile towards what happened at that time

:42:24.:42:29.

and that's much to his credit. But the public really, I mean, it's

:42:30.:42:33.

called Sports Personality of the Year for a reason, people latch on

:42:34.:42:37.

to who they see as personalities. The person they love may not be the

:42:38.:42:42.

person who is loved inside the locker room. Chris Froome is adored

:42:43.:42:48.

by the people who write for him. A Polish guy wrote this year about

:42:49.:42:55.

him, he's a young guy, he's a real star of the sport, he completely

:42:56.:42:59.

devoted himself to Chris Froome and I mean I've been covering the France

:43:00.:43:05.

for over 30 years and I would reckon he was the single greatest of

:43:06.:43:09.

keeping his performance of one man subverting all of his own ambition

:43:10.:43:17.

to help his leader. He literally Torode a stand still, he was on a

:43:18.:43:23.

climb -- literally on a rode to a stand still. He couldn't turn the

:43:24.:43:27.

pedals any more. He literally had to stop, put his foot down and try to

:43:28.:43:32.

start again and Froome inspires that kind of loyalty. And team ethic.

:43:33.:43:36.

Yes. Thank you, David, very interesting, thank you. Let me bring

:43:37.:43:40.

in Michael Hutchinson. What is it about Team Sky, what do they have

:43:41.:43:44.

that other teams don't, apart from Chris Froome? ! Team Sky have the

:43:45.:43:50.

highest budget probably of any sports team and they know how to

:43:51.:43:54.

spend it. They're very ruthless and focussed. They analyse the course

:43:55.:43:59.

this year in huge detail, they computer model parts of the courses

:44:00.:44:04.

to discover the best way to ride it. They brought a traditional sport

:44:05.:44:09.

that thrived on flare and panache, they've modernised that. Some people

:44:10.:44:14.

like that a lot better than others. They've got money and know how to

:44:15.:44:18.

spend it so they spend it wisely. On what sort of things, Michael? They

:44:19.:44:31.

spend it on wind tunnel testing. They work on bikes, they've got the

:44:32.:44:41.

best coaches, the best expertise and it's the margin of things. Dave

:44:42.:44:46.

Brailsford when he was in charge of Team GB, it's that brought along to

:44:47.:44:53.

the road cycling. What mental strength does it take to win the

:44:54.:44:56.

Tour de France on several occasions? It's extraordinary. The Tour de

:44:57.:45:01.

France, OK, obviously I'm biassed, I cannot think of another event that

:45:02.:45:05.

is quite as physically relentless and gruelling as three weeks of

:45:06.:45:09.

racing five to six hours a day every day and the mental pressure on

:45:10.:45:12.

someone like Chris Froome. He doesn't get a day off. There are

:45:13.:45:18.

flat stages that are physically easier for him, but he always has to

:45:19.:45:21.

be in the right place, concentrating, never to be caught

:45:22.:45:24.

out. He's in a position now where he's more likely to Les a Tour de

:45:25.:45:28.

France than to win it and you lose it by making a small, silly mistake.

:45:29.:45:30.

Thank you very much, Michael. Some comments from you. Brenda says

:45:31.:45:45.

I always look forward to the Tour de France and I watch it excitedly but

:45:46.:45:50.

the drug revelations of the past spoiled it for me. I didn't watch

:45:51.:45:54.

this tour and I didn't feel elation hearing about Chris Froome's win.

:45:55.:45:59.

And this one, what is the obsession the BBC has about Chris Froome not

:46:00.:46:00.

being loved? Thank you for those. Scientists say they're examining

:46:01.:46:07.

a potential breakthrough in the case of the missing Sheffield toddler,

:46:08.:46:10.

Ben Needham, who disappeared on the Greek island of Kos

:46:11.:46:12.

26 years ago today. Human material has been found

:46:13.:46:14.

in soil samples gathered last Then was 21 months old when he

:46:15.:46:25.

disappeared and his mother had spent the last two and a half decades

:46:26.:46:29.

searching for her son. We can speak to her now. Good morning. Thank you

:46:30.:46:35.

very much for talking to us. I wonder how you respond to the fact

:46:36.:46:42.

that signs of blood have been found on part of a sandal and on soil

:46:43.:46:47.

inside a toy car recovered by the police searching for your son? It is

:46:48.:46:56.

devastating, obviously. We believed what the police told us last year.

:46:57.:47:06.

They didn't have any hard evidence, it was just information they

:47:07.:47:10.

collected from people on Kos and people coming forward. But obviously

:47:11.:47:21.

the samples were traced. They have found what they found and that just

:47:22.:47:31.

confirms it for us. I am finding it quite hard to hear you but we are

:47:32.:47:34.

going to persist, if that is all right with you. That's fine. I will

:47:35.:47:41.

try and speak louder but it is very emotional today so it is difficult

:47:42.:47:45.

to talk. I understand and I am very grateful that you are speaking to

:47:46.:47:52.

us. The Detective Inspector in charge of the investigation, John

:47:53.:47:56.

cousins, says it is still his professional belief that Ben died in

:47:57.:48:02.

an accident at that farmhouse. What do you think? I think so. We have

:48:03.:48:09.

worked very closely with John and the team over the last few years. I

:48:10.:48:16.

couldn't wish for better detectives to have taken on this case and

:48:17.:48:23.

helped. I 100% believe what John believes. When the information that

:48:24.:48:32.

has been released to the public today comes out, what effect does

:48:33.:48:36.

that have on you? Devastating, devastating. Because now we know not

:48:37.:48:44.

only was there an accident at the time, we now know that Ben was taken

:48:45.:48:55.

from the farmhouse and buried somewhere at the second site and

:48:56.:48:58.

then possibly taken from that site and put elsewhere. It is horrific to

:48:59.:49:04.

think that somebody could do that to a small child. It is devastating. I

:49:05.:49:17.

am really sorry. I can't understand how any human being could do such a

:49:18.:49:21.

thing. It is horrific, absolutely horrific. I wonder if you could give

:49:22.:49:30.

our audience a little insight into the impact on you of spending all

:49:31.:49:37.

this time trying to find out what happened to your little boy. It has

:49:38.:49:49.

made me a very strong and independent person but it has also

:49:50.:49:54.

torn mine and my family's lives apart. We will never be able to live

:49:55.:49:59.

like a normal family. The search for Ben has always come first.

:50:00.:50:05.

Throughout the last 26 years. Traumatic. You live your life on a

:50:06.:50:11.

roller-coaster constantly, up and down, up and down, trying to deal

:50:12.:50:16.

with emotions, depression, anxiety, torment, anger, frustration,

:50:17.:50:22.

everything, week after week, month after month, year after year. It is

:50:23.:50:27.

totally soul destroying. For these people to have watched this all

:50:28.:50:34.

these years as well. These people have seen myself and my family on TV

:50:35.:50:38.

begging and pleading for information and they kept it secret 26 years. I

:50:39.:50:43.

don't know how anybody could do that to a family that has clearly given

:50:44.:50:53.

their lives to trying to find him. You definitely believe that there

:50:54.:50:56.

are some people still alive who know what happened and they should come

:50:57.:51:01.

forward? Yes, I do. I do believe that. Definitely. At least one

:51:02.:51:11.

person. I am 100% sure of that. I am sure the police would say that as

:51:12.:51:19.

well. It has been one big cover-up to protect the man that had the

:51:20.:51:25.

accident in the first place. I just think if these people have got any

:51:26.:51:29.

ounce of humanity left in their bodies, they should let us know

:51:30.:51:31.

where he is. They could do it anonymously. They don't have to give

:51:32.:51:36.

their name. They could send an email to the police, even directed to

:51:37.:51:40.

myself. We just want to find where he is now. Thank you very much. We

:51:41.:51:49.

really appreciate your time. Thank you for talking to us on the

:51:50.:52:01.

programme today. Thank you. Kerry Needham appealing for the one person

:52:02.:52:05.

who she believes has information to come forward and get in touch with

:52:06.:52:09.

the police and help them find Ben. Next on the programme, Prince

:52:10.:52:15.

William reveals how he tells his children stories about their late

:52:16.:52:19.

grandmother, Diana Princess of Wales. Prince Harry also speaks

:52:20.:52:22.

candidly about their relationship with their mother. It is an an ITV

:52:23.:52:26.

documentary that goes out tonight as they approach the 20th anniversary

:52:27.:52:32.

of Diana's death. It includes moving tributes from Sir Elton John and the

:52:33.:52:36.

princes speak of their regret that their last conversation with their

:52:37.:52:41.

mother was rushed phone call. A photograph of the two boys made

:52:42.:52:46.

public for the first time sums up the sense of fun described by Prince

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William. Two decades on from her death, Prince William describes how

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he keeps Diana's memory alive for his children. Constantly talking

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about granny Diana. We have photos around. It is hard because Catherine

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didn't know her. She cannot really provide that level of detail. I

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regularly when I put George and Charlotte to bed talk about her. I

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remind them that there were two grandmothers in their lives and it

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is important that they know who she was and she existed. Prince Harry

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was 12 when his mother died. He reflects with one of her friends,

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self and John, about the work they did as committed AIDS activists. --

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Sir Elton John. It was considered to be a gay disease. Was someone within

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the royal family, a woman, straight, to have someone care from the other

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side was an incredible gift. And you can see it as well. You look back to

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these days, when the reality was doom and gloom. The reality then was

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doom and gloom, yet everybody in that photograph is smiling. Because

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of her. She had an energy, a radiance. Look at her face in every

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photograph, there is a positive, wonderful glow. She had this

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incredible ability that he inherited from me, and I said thank you, to

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make them feel that everything would be all right. I haven't experienced

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many people who had that ability. She could walk into a room of people

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and make them feel that everything was great. Wow. The brothers recall

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the last time they spoke to her and they reflect on the overwhelming

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public reaction and how they coped with the week that culminated in her

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funeral. In the documentary, Diana's children share their most intimate

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memories of her. This is quite a special picture. It is quite sweet.

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It is the first time that the two of us have ever spoken about her as a

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mother. Believe it or not, you and I are both in this photograph. You are

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in her tummy. Arguably a little bit to draw up until this point. It is

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still raw. -- little bit too raw. Not many days go by that I don't

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think about her. The 20th anniversary seems like a good time

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to remember all the good things about her and hopefully provide a

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different side to know that others have not seen before. We felt

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incredibly loved, Harry and I. I am very grateful that the love still

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feels there. It was that love. Even if she was on the other side of the

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room, as her son, you could feel it. Our mother was a total paid through

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and through. When everybody says to me, she was fun, give us an example,

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all I can hear is her laughter in my head. That crazy laughter, just pure

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happiness showing on her face. One of her motto is to me was you can be

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as naughty as you want, just don't get caught. She was one of the

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naughtiest parents. She would come and watch us play football and

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smuggle sweets into our socks. I remember walking back from the

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football match and having five packets of Starburst. That

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documentary is broadcast on ITV and STV at nine o'clock tonight. Thank

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you for your emails about being gay and coming out, and the way people

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reacted. It is 50 years since the decriminalisation of two grown

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consenting men having sex, effectively. 50 years this week.

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David said he moved from Aldershot where he was not only out as gay but

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about his involvement with the international AIDS crisis. I was

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never assaulted in a military town. That was in Margaret Thatcher's

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time. But having gone back into the closet in Exeter so I could care for

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my elderly parents, I was attacked six times in the thirsty and the

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police didn't do. After several more police constables, things are

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improving but I am still being hassled by so-called Christians. Now

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it is the politicians refusing to act. And this one, it is good to

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offer people the opportunity to comment anonymously but it is sad

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that people have got to. As a bisexual woman I have never

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experienced prejudice. Maybe because it is taking the least seriously.

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Most straight men find the notion titillating. I have been with the

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men and the amount of times I am asked if I bring other women home to

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him is ridiculous. Monogamy is monogamy, no matter what happens

:58:15.:58:18.

between someone's legs. Thank you for that, Christina, and thank you

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for giving your name. Tomorrow we hear from former Jehovah's Witnesses

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who say they have been shunned by their community and their religion

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after leaving it. Thank you for your company and have a good day.

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