15/08/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it is Tuesday, it is 9am, I am Joanna Gosling.

In his first BBC interview we hear from Phil Green,

the agent who was managing model Chloe Ayling when she was lured

to Milan for a photo shoot and then kidnapped and held at a remote

He was the one who received the ransom demands -

which included a photo of Chloe which he describes as

It frightened the life out of me, I did not want to look at it any

further. It turns out, are not photograph, it was Chloe and she had

been photographed while unconscious. You can hear our full

interview with Phil Green Taylor Swift has won a case

against a former radio DJ David Mueller had originally

sued her, claiming that her But she counter-sued,

and yesterday a jury We hear from an American

journalist who was in court I would get people who would say I

am not even a fan of Taylor Swift but I believe in her cause and what

she is doing. It transcended her as a star, and it came down to the fact

that a woman has the right to go after someone who was sexually

assaulted and she was sexually assaulted.

We'll be speaking to a journalist who was in court

Also one of Australia's leading cosmetic surgeons tells this

programme that the link between textured breast implants

and cancer is more common that doctors originally thought -

We speak to him, and a woman who developed the disease.

Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

Also there have been two incidents involving trains at London

stations this morning - a train has derailed just outside

Waterloo Station after hitting a freight train at low speed -

no-one was injured in the incident, though passengers have been advised

That was at 5.40 this morning, and in the last hour a train

is reported to have hit the buffers at Kings Cross.

We will have latest on both incidents throughout the programme.

Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

The Government is to outline plans to negotiate a temporary customs

relationship with the EU, immediately after Brexit.

Ministers want to ensure that an arrangement,

similar to the current customs union, will remain in place

until a final trade settlement takes effect.

The Brexit Secretary - David Davis - says it will mean businesses avoid

Our political correspondent Leila Nathoo joins me

What is the shape of what they're talking about? Awana, this is

designed to represent a plan, to show there is something the

government is united around, Cabinet is united around, something in place

to go to Brussels and take to Brussels when it comes to ensuring

goods move freely between the UK and the EU after Brexit. The government

is putting forward this idea of a temporary arrangement saying there

should be a similar arrangement of what there is now, a temporary

customs union designed to reassure businesses there will be no change

in rules and then further down the line, after that temporary period of

perhaps 2-3 years is over, there will be new customs arrangements in

place. But I think what the government is trying to do is

present this as an achievable, practical way for what they are

confident will be, then Brussels agrees to these proposals but it

depends very much on what Brussels thinks and the indication we had so

far is that Brussels is not prepared to entertain any talk of future

arrangements until there is progress on the divorce Bill, on issues like

the said Assen is so I think this is the government trying to be on the

front foot really and push the negotiations towards where they want

to go. Thank you very much. We will talk more about that later in the

programme and will also hear from the Brexit secretary David Davis.

Rachel is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

A train has partially derailed at Waterloo station in London,

The South West Trains service struck a freight service at low speed at

Boxall and Waterloo stations, three people checker injuries but did not

need further treatment. 13 platforms out of use and disruption expected

to last until the end of today. In a separate incident a train

appears to have hit the buffers This image posted in social media

appears to show a train being examined by workers at the end of a

platform. Mudslides and floods in Sierra Leone

are now known to have killed more than 300 people on the outskirts

of the capital, Freetown. Thousands more have been forced

to flee from their homes. Government officials have warned

the number of casualties is expected to rise,

with hundreds of bodies thought to be still trapped under

the debris, as Greg Dawson reports. While some stare in stunned silence

at what is left of their home, others, with their bare hands,

are still searching and hoping. But the grim reality is that

beneath the tons of mud, This man says he has lost all eight

members of his family. Then I started hearing

other people crying. This is an overpopulated city,

with many living on the hillside in flimsy and unprotected shacks

that were crushed by the mud. The Red Cross estimates up to 3000

people have lost their homes. Those that aren't completely

destroyed are caked This is a city well used to heavy

rains, but the scale of the damage Many roads and towns are either

cut off or transformed The challenge for rescuers is simply

trying to reach those who are still trapped,

awaiting supplies of food North Korean leader Kim Jong Un,

has been briefed by the country's military leaders on how

they could fulfil his threat to fire missiles near the American island

of Guam in the Pacific. According to North Korea state media

the report said he would watch US actions before making a decision.

Last week tensions escalated when Pyongyang threatened to fire four

missiles into the sea off Guam. The pop star Taylor Swift has won

a sexual assault case against ex-radio DJ David Mueller,

who she said had groped His claim for damages,

on the grounds that his reputation had been destroyed by false

allegations, was thrown out. He's been ordered to pay a token

one-dollar in damages. Taylor Swift said she took

the action against him to give other victims of sexual assault

the confidence to A pensioner who was stabbed while

trying to save the life of labour in June Cox has died. 79-year-old

Bernard Kenny was awarded the George medal for his bravery after he

intervenes when a right-wing extremist attack the MP in the

run-up to last your's EU referendum. Mr Kenny was seriously injured in

the attack but because of his death not believed to be related to the

incident. Rail passengers will learn this

morning how much more they'll be paying for some of their journeys

from January next year. Regulated fares which account for

almost half ticket will go up by the rate of inflation, the exact figure

will be published this morning. It is expected to be around three and a

half percent, well above average pay rises.

A girl has died after a man drove a car into a pizza restaurant

Twelve other people were injured in the attack,

Police said they're treating the incident as deliberate,

The driver of the car, a 32-year-old man, has been arrested.

The fat but fit the theory that overweight people can still be

healthy is nothing but a myth, according to researchers from two

top UK universities. Scientists found carrying extra weight can

increase the risk of heart disease by more than a quarter, even in

people who are otherwise healthy. Our health correspondence will be

and has more. Suggests even a blood test are

within the normal range excess weight is still a normal helpless.

The rink -- linked people with BMI is over 35 who are healthy but

overweight to an estimated increased risk of coronary heart disease of 26

and 28% respectively. And third to those with a healthy body weight. At

the beginning of the study they were classified as healthy and then they

probably went on, and became unhealthy and then eventually some

of them developed heart disease, heart attack. The researchers

believe excess fat may well store up health problems for the future and

getting down to a healthy weight for whatever your sport is vitally

important. Sophie Hutchinson, BBC News.

A stuntwoman has been killed in a motorcycle accident in Canada

while making the sequel to the superhero film, Deadpool.

Witnesses described how the woman lost control of the bike,

jumped a kerb and crashed into a building.

The film's lead actor, Ryan Reynolds, said the cast

and crew were "heartbroken, shocked and devastated"

Iran says it could abandon its nuclear deal with world

powers "within hours", if the United States continues

President Hassan Rouhani told the country's parliament.

The deal which was struck in 2015 saw the lifting of most

international sanctions in return for curbs on its nuclear programme.

A box filled with essentials for newborn babies will be arriving

at the homes of new parents in Scotland from today.

The 'baby boxes' are inspired by a scheme in Finland to give

all new mums a starter pack of things like clothes,

But the box also doubles up as a cot, as the Scottish Government

wants to promote safe sleeping in a bid to reduce

And how do you say the name of this budget retailer, Primark? The budget

retailer has said the pronunciation straight, and said it liked to use a

particular pronunciation. Many users took to social media to express

their preference. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30. A great way to get us talking about

their brand. The latest inflation figures due out at 9:30am, experts

predict inflation will outstrip growth in pay packets.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

use the hashtag Victoria live and If you text, you will be charged

Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp has a lot on his plate so early

Liverpool hoping to rid the group stages of the Champions League, they

are in Germany tonight. Plenty for manager Jurgen Klopp to ponder and

he made it clear that night's matches the only thing on his mind

of the future of midfielder Philippe Coutinho. The Brazilian is a target

for Barcelona but Liverpool rejected two bids for other highly

influential playmaker before continues admitted a transfer

request last week which the club dismissed. He did not feature in the

draw at Watford because of a back injury, Jurgen Klopp admitting why

he no speculation surrounding continual is rife, his sole focus is

on the game ahead. I really understand everybody is interested

in this but I can say in this moment I am really inking about it. -- I

can't say. I am here and I will answer questions but in the car, on

the way to this Conference, I did not think what can I say because I

have to think of other things. Honest and animated as ever. Chelsea

have a battle on the hands trying to get Diego Costa to report for

training, he is still in Brazil? The Chelsea striker rarely far from the

headlines. His -- he is more notable because of his absence, understood

he has been ordered to return to the Premier League champions up to being

fined for failing to report for pre-season training. He was told by

the manager Antonio Costa bath-macro Antonio Conte back in a text message

that he was not part of his plans for the season. The striker is

currently in Brazil, threatening to set out the remaining two years of

his contract if he is not allowed to leave. It's been mooted he has his

heart set on legal action as he wants to return to Atletico Madrid.

Andy Murray losing his number one slot to Rafael Nadal. He has been

blighted by injury, knocked out in struggling all season and Andy

Murray set to lose his number one status in the world, taken by Rafael

Nadal who will take the mantle for the first time since 2014. It would

have been Wimbledon champion Roger Federer but the Swiss has pulled out

of the Cincinnati Masters, no Andy Murray there either, Rafael Nadal

who reached round to their with these claimed the spot almost by

default, being as humble as he is, says he is sorry it comes at the

expense of his top rivals. Thank you so much.

Now let's go back to the extraordinary story of Chloe Ayling.

for what she thought was a photoshoot, but instead says

she ended up being drugged and kidnapped and held for six days

by Lukasz Herba, a Polish national from Birmingham.

She claims he told her she was going to be sold into sex slavery then

issued a ransom note to a number of people in the UK for her release.

One of those was Phil Green, her agent at the time -

who had initially booked her on the job with Lukasz,

who was posing as a photographer named Andre.

In his only BBC interview, Phil Green - that former agent -

He praises Chloe's bravery throughout this ordeal

and claims she has been offered counselling but has refused,

despite her now being afraid to go anywhere alone.

I began by asking Phil what the arrangements

First of all, from my point of view, the photographer,

a man called Andre Lazio - he called himself -

specifically asked for Chloe to do

With all clients, particularly new clients, I carry out

I asked him who he was, where he was, does he have a website,

had he done work previously, what this particular job was for,

where the studio is, check it out on Google maps,

Then we start talking about arrangements for the shoot,

which would include fees, expenses, and then the travel

arrangements for the shoot, would she be required to arrive

the day before, would the photographer pay for the flight

So all that information came together and it ticked

There were no alarm bells ringing at any point?

Nothing flagged up whatsoever to make me suspicious that this man

What checks had you carried out to make sure that this

Because she's been speaking and says you didn't carry out

She wouldn't necessarily know the checks that go on in the agency.

We, as I said, carry out due diligence checks and we wouldn't

expose anyone to a situation like that without fully

How did the checks all pass, though, when he was not what he said he was?

The photographer had a website which told me

he'd done previous work, there were models

I assumed he'd photographed previously.

And every check regarding his studio and location, there was nothing

being flagged up for me to think or even suggest that there

was anything suspicious about him or what he was proposing.

So you and she were very happy when she went off to Milan

What was the first that you knew that there was a problem?

Well, there was a meeting in Paris three or four months before

the ordeal in Italy took place, so therefore the attacker,

we'll now call him, actually saw face to face the model in Paris.

On the eve of the shoot, there was a terrorist attack

in Paris on the Champs-Elysees, a policeman got shot.

There was a lot of police activity around that night.

And I'd given each other their phone numbers.

I said if there's a problem, phone each other and you

And a call came through, I think it was a text to begin with,

to Chloe, from the photographer, saying my studio's been ransacked

while all this activity was going on last night.

They've taken things from my studio and I'm not able

The photographer, in inverted commas, met the model and they had

a brief conversation and 100 euros were handed over to say, well,

that will keep you going with food and taxi fares during the day.

You know, to be honest, both Chloe and myself felt sorry for him.

His studio had been ransacked, he'd already paid for the shoot and,

you know, we thought he's getting nothing for his money.

He said, well, look, I'll rearrange the shoot,

How ironic that then he would set this up in Milan

and the same situation, same kind of shoot,

You received an e-mail from the kidnapper.

The evening of the shoot I was contacted by Chloe's mother

And I was saying to her, well, perhaps she's either missed

the flight or the flight's delayed, or she had a shoot the next day

in Ibiza, she might have thought I'm going to fly straight

So I was trying to sort of play it down, there must be a reason why

But then the next morning came and we checked,

The phone was ringing still with an overseas ringing tone,

and we kind of thought that, still, she could possibly be

But I said to her mother, look, I think you'd actually

In her area it's the Metropolitan Police.

She went to Croydon police station and told everybody there.

It wasn't until just after 10am on July the 12th,

the day after the shoot, when I opened my e-mail inbox

I found something incredibly sinister and worrying.

It was the first e-mail contact from someone on behalf

of the Black Death group saying to me, chillingly, that they'd taken

Chloe and I was to find some ransom money for her.

What detail was in the e-mail that you got?

Who they were, the Black Death group, they gave me the names

of three businessmen, UK businessmen, I think that Chloe

And said I was to contact any one of these three or all three

At that stage no figure was mentioned as to

But there was a deadline, the deadline was four

days later on the Sunday when they were going to say

if you don't pay any money by then we're going to offer Chloe

to auction, where she may be sold to Russian Mafia.

How seriously did you take that e-mail?

My first thought was to ring the police in Italy, and I did that.

I then rang the British Consulate in Milan, because I knew

They took it extremely seriously, rang the Foreign Office special

crimes division who then contacted me to discuss the details

And then I was contacted by my own force, special

operations from East Midlands, where I'm based, who came

to the office because this is the place where I'm receiving

the e-mails and they then took over the case.

More or less the same time, three e-mails came through simultaneously.

And they were just sort of ratcheting up the pressure.

One e-mail was from supposedly a different person saying

The second e-mail then contained an attachment,

In the attachment was a press release.

It said this is Chloe Ayling, she's aged so-and-so,

her measurements are blah blah blah and she will be offered

More or less saying express your interest in this now.

Then the other attachment, slightly more sinister,

was a photograph that had been taken of Chloe.

I must admit, I didn't identify her from the brief look

In fact, it frightened the life out of me.

I didn't want to look at it any further.

It turns out on that photograph was Chloe.

She'd been photographed while unconscious and...

Well, I didn't know at the time, obviously, but I was told later

it was at the studio where she was taken.

How much time elapsed, then, between you getting these e-mails

and what happened next in terms of her finally being released?

Well, we've now reached day three following the kidnap and the police

were keeping up this sort of dialogue with the kidnappers.

Via e-mail, intercepting my e-mails and sending them e-mails

And making some kind of offer just to keep this attacker interested

And these kind of conversations, I mean, they were few

There might be an e-mail sent in the morning and it might not be

until the evening that a reply was given back.

So it was tremendously frustrating for everyone involved.

It was being treated with extreme seriousness and it

wasn't until the Sunday, this is following the kidnapping

on the Tuesday, the Sunday we heard there was some activity

It turns out that the early hours of Monday morning,

the attacker, this Lukasz Herba, walks into the consulate office

with Chloe and says, "I'm her friend, she's the girl

I've brought her through for safety."

And you can watch the second part of our interview with kidnapped

model Chloe Ayling's former agent Phil Green after ten

on the programme today, where he tells us what happened

after Chloe arrived at the consulate and says that after her

ordeal she is now scared to go anywhere alone.

We speak to one of Australia's leading breast surgeons

about the link between implants and cancer, and a woman

who developed a rare form of cancer from her breast implant.

We pay tribute to Bernard Kenny, the pensioner who was stabbed trying

Here's Rachel in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

The Government is to outline plans to negotiate a temporary customs

relationship with the EU, immediately after Brexit.

Ministers want to ensure that an arrangement,

similar to the current customs union, will remain in place

until a final trade settlement takes effect.

The EU Commission said the move was a positive step towards phase one of

the negotiations and will study the paper carefully.

The Brexit Secretary - David Davis - says it will mean businesses avoid

We sell about 230 billion euros of goods and services to the European

Union each year. They sell 290 billion to us. I was in Bavaria two

or three weeks ago. They sell BMWs, electronic goods, they have got an

incredibly strong interest in something like this so there's an

interest on both sides of not doing each of the harm if you like. Both

to do with customs arrangements but also to do with having a free trade

area in the first place. Thousands have been forced to flee

from their homes in Freetown. Government officials said the amount

of casualties is expected to rise with hundreds of bodies thought to

be trapped under the debris. A train has partially derailed at

Waterloo Station in London following an operational incident. The service

struck a freight train at low speed between Waterloo and Vauxhall

stations. Three people were checked for injuries but didn't need further

treatment. Disruption is expected to last until the end of today.

In a separate incident train appears to have hit the buffers at King's

Cross station. This picture appears to show the train being examined by

workers at the end of the platform. Taylor Swift has won sexual assault

case against David Mueller. His claim for damages,

on the grounds that his reputation had been destroyed by false

allegations, was thrown out. He's been ordered to pay a token

one-dollar in damages. Taylor Swift said she took

the action against him to give other victims of sexual assault

the confidence to That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10am. Let's go straight to Joanna.

We just want to bring you some breaking news on the London

Underground, we are hearing that smoke has filled a train carriage at

Holborn station. Some are saying there was a loud bang, then smoke

and the station has been evacuated. We are also hearing that two fire

engines have been sent to Holborn underground station. The Fire

Service saying two fire engines have been sent. Reports on social media

are potentially of a bang and then smoke filling the platform so we

will of course keep you updated. Thank you. The Liverpool manager

Jurgen Klopp insists the Champions League fixture tonight in Germany is

the only thing on his mind and not the future of Philippe Coutinho. The

Brazilian is eyeing a move to another club but Jurgen Klopp says

his mind is firmly on the fixture. Diego Costa being ordered to return

to Chelsea after failing to emerge for pre-season training. He's been

to force a move back to Atletico Madrid after telling and being told

by the Chelsea manager he's not part of plans for this season. Premier

League clubs are to discuss closing the summer transfer window.

Currently runs until August 31, they said to vote on the idea next month

and Rafael Nadal will take the world number one ranking from Andy Murray

this week. But after Roger Federer pulled out of the Cincinnati

Masters. A quick update? Thank you. Just to let you know, we will keep

you updated on what is happy make at Holborn station, the underground

station evacuated after reports of a loud and, after which smoke filled

the platform. British Transport Police have treated to say we are at

the station after reports of smoke on a train line, the station closed

while officers and London fire investigate and London Fire Brigade

have separately said they are investigating reports of smoke on

the platform, two fire engines have been sent to investigate. We will of

course keep you updated. Let me also bring you the latest inflation

figures. The Office for National Statistics just putting out the

latest inflation figures, the rate of retail the retail price index

inflation, the RPI, which is used to set real season-ticket prices rose

to two points 6% in July, but according to the ONS. That's the

first figure. We will get other figures around inflation. -- three

points six. It had been anticipated inflation figures which show

inflation outstripping wage growth. The RPI figure at the moment.

We will bring you more on that, and we'll be talking to our business

correspondent for further analysis. One of Australia's leading cosmetic

surgeons has told this programme the link between breast implants

and cancer is more common than doctors initially thought -

but stresses the condition Women who have breast implants run

the risk of developing a type of blood cancer called Anaplastic

large-cell lymphoma - or ALCL. Most surgeons believe the disease

affects around 1 in 300,000 patients with breast implants -

however, health authorities in Australia estimate it

affects around 1 in 5,000. The MHRA - which is responsible

for ensuring medicines and medical devices work in the UK -

says its investigation Well joining us

is one of Australia's leading breast surgeons -

DR DANIEL FLEMING - who played a key role

in the country's health authorities increasing their official

advice on this issue. SANDI CURRIE - who developed

a rare form of cancer And - MR KEVIN HANCOCK -

a consultant plastic surgeon and a member

of the British Association Welcome, all of you and thank you

for joining us. Daniel, tell us more about the analysis you carried out

and what it indicates on the risk of this particular form of cancer from

breast implants? As you said it was initially thought this was extremely

rare in the order of one in hundreds of thousands of patients, then it

was one intensive thousands but the latest evidence from Australia shows

it may be as common as one in 1000 patients with textured breast

implants but it's important to keep that in context. Compare it to the

risk of any woman with or without implants of developing breast cancer

in her lifetime is one in eight, another way of thinking about one in

1000 is no denying .9% of these implants not getting the condition.

It's rare and yet when the stats go from one in 300,000 to one in 1000

that is a dramatic shift, why? We are looking for it. It usually

presents with swelling around the breast, less swelling with -- less

commonly with a mass. Around 2008-9, when patients presented with that

took the fluid off and didn't look for the condition but since then we

are looking for it and we are finding it often. Tell us about the

condition, what is the prognosis? The other thing women want to know

is what's going to happen to me if I am one in 1000 to get it. Some good

news. For the vast majority of women who get this condition they will get

a non-aggressive version of it, it's not going to threaten their lives

and it will be cured by the removal of the implants and the membrane

surrounding them. Let's bring in Sandy, you developed this condition

from a textured implant, tell us what happened. Pretty much I woke up

one morning and my right breast had swollen about two cup sizes bigger

than the other so I rang my surgeon, concerned with what was happening, I

didn't know if I had a rupture so he sent me to get a needle aspiration

and some ultrasound is done and he rang me five days later to say I did

in fact have a LCL, this particular cancer. What happened then? Were the

implants taken up? It was out of his field, he wasn't confident, he was a

cosmetic surgeon and I would suggest struggling to go to a plastic

surgeon, when he rang me he said he had forwarded all my files onto an

oncologist in Brisbane and I would then be dealing with the oncologist

so I went to see her, she ran more tests to verify I did have ALCL and

the surgeons at the hospital removed both my implants. Was that it, did

that fix it? Pretty much, I've had to go back every three months and

have tests done to make sure it hasn't returned. And they will keep

doing that probably until next year. Just checking on me to see what in

fact is happening and it's, I suppose I am a bit of a guinea pig,

if you want to look at it like that. Daniel, the fact that taking up the

implants can immediately fix this issue makes us, obviously, there is

the direct correlation which makes you wonder whether they should be

used and there are some calls to ban them, you have one of the implants

here, it is the texture type. That's right. You think they should be

banned? Very interesting question, three types of implant, a rough and

service, smooth plastic bag type service and another type of the

polyurethanes foam. The question is why doesn't everybody has moved

implants, the reason for that is the texture and the polyurethanes exists

to reduce the risk of complications which can shorten the length of time

the implant blasts, visibly hardening of the implants in a

condition called contracture. What we believe is that patients have two

logical choice is, if you want minimum risk of ALCL chooses move

implant at except you have a higher risk of other convocations, if you

want to reduce that risk of complications choose the

polyurethanes implant which reduces the risk of complications but has a

similar risk of ALCL as these implants. We would Saber probably

isn't a logical choice to choose a textured implant has little or no

benefit the other complications and still has this risk of ALCL, albeit

a lower risk. Kevin Hancock, an expert in this country says ALCL

linked to breast implants is a potential bombshell that husband

swept under the carpet for five years. This is of course going to be

worrying for anybody with textured breast implants. How do you see it?

I think it's very difficult. This is something that was only first

reported at the end of the 19 97, was the first case and as Doctor

Fleming has said, we are really not sure yet about the significance of

this disease. What we do know and what we should stress to patients is

this is breast cancer, this is a cancer that arises in the fluid and

the tissue surrounding the implant. And is thought to arise because of

inflammation in that layer Doctor Fleming spoke about. He spoke about

the texturing to reduce the risk of capital sat hard on the implant. Why

is it Daniel that the textured implant that is causing this

problem... There are a couple of theories. We know that patients who

develop ALCL is the result of some sort of long-term inflammatory

process and it also seems to be a genetic component in that, that's

why some people get it, some don't, they process the inflammation

differently and the idea is that they textured implant, the Robins

service me a retreat and cause long-term inflammation. The other

theory is these microscopic eggs and crannies on the texturing might

harbour small numbers of bacteria which could set up a long-term

inflammatory process. Kevin, what would you say to patients in this

country, if you have the choice between an implant that will not

cause you, not likely to cause you this particular issue, does it make

sense to avoid it? I think at the moment we don't really know enough

about this to make sweeping statements like that. All the

professional associations have advised their members to discuss

this with all patients having breast implants. And now we are very aware

of the way this disease presents which is usually 7-8 years after the

implants have been putting and as your other speaker said, presents as

a swelling of the breast so now we are very tuned into this and we are

very aware that anybody in that situation needs to be investigated

further. When you say we are very tuned into it, it's not something

that has been widely known about. Is it certain that if someone has an

issue and they go to their GP or surgeon and point it out but it will

immediately be recognised? How much awareness is there? There is

certainly awareness in the popular press. This is again, it's important

that patients have long-term contact with the surgeons that carried out

the surgery so they are able to return to them if there are any

concerns and we have seen in the past with the PIP scandal that

getting back to clinics and surgeons can be difficult for patients. How

do you feel now about it? Sandy, after everything that happened to

you, do you wish you'd never gone down that path of having those

implants? Well, no, I mean, I never, when you first go to consult and

explain all the pros and cons, anything is a risk, any surgery. And

I did not expect to have this outcome so at that point in my life,

I got my implants when I was 45, quite late and the ALCL appeared six

years after the implantation. Sorry to interrupt but was too mentioned

to you as one of the potential cons? Yes and you also get literature from

your surgeon, they do go through every thing, the pros and cons what

can happen to you, the H and, mind did capture late and mine was

Brazilian textured implant and I... Obviously... Breasts are important

to us otherwise we wouldn't be lining up to get them done. So, I

have done it again, I have been reimplanted and I'm probably one of

the few that have and I was lucky enough to find Doctor Fleming who is

an expert with ALCL. So with the new implants, sorry, did you go for

smoother texture? I rang Doctor Fleming, he graciously rang me back

after hours and talked to the about it and then I had my consult with

him I said to him, at the end of the day I will be guided by what you

tell me, if you are saying no, this isn't a good idea I will go with

that because my options of how I was left was totally disfigured so my

options were like, just do a complete hysterectomy or get

reimplanted. Because I am having to look every day at my breasts which

were disfigured, wasn't going to be much of a life for me. So I have

taken the course of being reimplanted and I am watching even

more closely to see what progress that has. Daniel, when Sandy

described she knew there was an issue, it was obvious, the breast

has fallen dramatically, what should people look out for as a potential

symptom? This disorder most commonly presents as swelling, an

accumulation of fluid around the breast, most people with an

accumulation will not have ALCL but they should have checked, go see

your doctor. Does that emerge quite quickly? Once the cancer is there

are, it's not that it's been there and other symptoms won't have you

noticed? We don't know the answer to that but when the swelling appears

it is dramatic, or for a day or two, it can't morally present with a long

switch if the patient presents with, they need to have that investigator

but the other thing that is important, viewers who are watching

and may have textured implants and are worrying... The recommendation

is there is no need for any special investigation or screening for

patients who don't have symptoms, they should do the normal monthly

checks for lumps and have a mammogram when they reach the aged

necessary to have one. Thank you all.

The MHRA - which is responsible for ensuring medicines and medical

devices work in the UK gave us this statement:

Research into this area is yet to provide a definitive answer

as to how ALCL develops although there are several

ALCL is very rare but it is important healthcare professionals

and women who have implants know about it.

If you develop a breast lump or swelling around your implant more

than six months after having the breast implant you should seek

We hear from a journalist who was in court throughout

the Taylor Swift sexual assault case.

I hear people say I'm not even a fan of Taylor Swift but I believe in her

cause, so it transcended her as a star and came down to the issue of a

woman has a right to go after someone who sexually assaulted her,

and she was assaulted. And the latest inflation figures have come

out, showing living costs which are used to set rail season ticket

prices rose to 3.6% in July outstripping growth in pay packets.

Ben Thompson is here. Yes, it is more than average earnings. We are

told rail fares will rise by more than 3.6% and it is more than double

the increase we had last year, so again the pressure is on real

commuters who will feel this more than most. We should be clear that

this is what's known as regulated fares, the ones which are limited.

The rail companies have a cap on how much they can charge. The

unregulated fares will be determined in September, but 3.6% increase from

January. It is known as the RPI measure, used to determine the train

fares. The CPR measure, which we pay attention to to get a better view of

what's happening in the economy, that rose by 2.6%, still well above

what we are earning so we will feel worse off in our pockets and our

money is going less far. Rail lobby groups are now saying you should be

using the lower one, not the higher one. That is not fair to rail

commuters. But nonetheless, as it stands at 3.6% rise in rail fares

for passengers from January. Thank you.

The government has been setting out its plans for the future

It's been focusing on a temporary customs union which could be put

in place to help prevent chaos at Britain's borders

My colleague Adam Fleming explains how the customs union

works at the moment and how that might change.

Under the customs union, the EU has won external border for the import

of goods from abroad. If import taxes - known as tariffs -

are paid, they're paid when that It can then move around

between countries with no further The British Government wants

something as similar as possible to this arrangement for a temporary

period after Brexit in March 2019. So how could a future customs union

between the UK and Europe look and how does the government

see it working? Our political correspondent

Emma Vardy has more. David Davis has been speaking,

hasn't he? That's right, David Davis will be sitting down in Brussels to

negotiate this at the end of this month and he has talked about the

option of this interim customs union being as close as possible to the

current arrangements. He says that is to prevent this cliff edge for

business, to allow them to adjust to any new regulations. So how long

might it take he was asked this morning, said it was hard to say,

maybe around two years, may be shorter. But that's all very well,

this is the UK setting out what it once, how are we going to persuade

the EU to agree to it? David Davis said it is as much in their interest

as it is in ours. We sell about 230 billion euros

of goods and services I was in Bavaria two

or three weeks ago. They sell BMWs, electronic goods,

they have got an incredibly strong interest in something like this

so there's an interest on both sides of not doing each

other harm, if you like. Both to do with customs arrangements

but also to do with having a free So you see his argument that if

there is an interruption in trade, it hurts everyone. He will have to

negotiate this, but this is one set of papers, proposals we will be

getting, many more to come but it's taken a year since the referendum to

start to get a clearer picture of what the UK foresees in Brexit in

2019, and what we are getting today is a real strong indication of the

size of the challenge ahead. Thank you, Emma.

We can speak now to Stephen Booth, who's the director of policy

and research at thinktank, Open Europe, Dr Swati Dhingra, from

the London School of Economics - both of whom have carried out

Welcome, both of you. Is this as much in their interests as ours,

Stephen? Yes, I think so. The question is on what terms do we

reach a new agreement. I think the Government acknowledges that at

least in the short-term period we are going to want to keep things are

similar to the status quo as possible. That helps business,

business only has two are just once to a new regime at the end of the

transition period, and the EU would rather have one negotiation about a

new arrangement as opposed to two negotiations about what we do for

the next three years and what we do after that. But is it delaying the

inevitable, Swati? What it doesn't do is ask the real question, which

is after those few years what is the new arrangement going to look like.

There's a big concern that customs union or no customs union is going

to make no difference to things like services, telecoms, and tariffs

don't matter there. It is very little in today's's report about

that. What David Davis has said this morning about what would come after

a transition period is either a highly streamlined border with the

EU or a new partnership with no customs border at all, which sounds

like having your cake and eating it, doesn't it? I think the first option

sounds more achievable and practical. The second one is

unprecedented and untested, and I think it is complicated to

administer because businesses will have to work out whether their

growth are destined for the UK or EU market. So describe away a

streamlined border can work, because obviously for there to be easy

transactions between the EU and the UK, products have to comply with

regulations across different boundaries and that then takes you

into the territory of things being enforced by the ECJ so it's quite

difficult to unpick one part. There are examples of this around the

world. It's about reducing technology, the amount of paperwork

needed, moving away from physical tracks at the border to electronic

checks so things can be preapproved. 99% of goods that come to the UK

from outside the EU are already preapproved in seconds so a lot of

this is possible but it requires both sides to negotiate this. The UK

cannot do this unilaterally. At the moment we don't know what the EU

side of the table once from the border, what do they want to

enforce? How do you see it working, Swati? I think it will be

cumbersome. When we look at the Norway example, we know that Norway

still faces about 8% of its import value going into paperwork to be

able to comply with rules and regulations to enter the UK market

so it won't be very different from that. If anything Norway is in the

single market so it probably has better access than what we can

expect to have. Those who want the UK out of the customs union say the

downside is that we cannot have trade deals with the rest of the

world while we are in it. Is there enough of an upside to mitigate the

downside of leaving? That is the question that only really time will

tell but politically once you've taken the decision to leave the

European Union and have an independent trade policy, because we

will be out of the EU common trade policy, we will have the flexibility

to negotiate our own deals and whatever you think about the Brexit

decision, the logic of it is you have to boost the trade with the

rest of the world and increase and diversify away from the EU which

means the UK will have to have as many tools in its tool box in order

to negotiate with other partners and that means having more flexibility.

We won't have all of that for the first three years but the Government

needs to make sure we have it after 2022. How do you see the position?

It is unlikely we will be able to make up the losses from other

countries. China and India, the rules and regulations are very

different. Opening our markets to them will be very big in terms of

what happens to consumer safety, product safety. Dealing with the US,

the same kind of concerns come up as we saw in the chlorine chicken

debate. This is a good idea to have, but there are games we will get from

these new trade deals which will be small compared to what we lose from

the EU if we don't get a good trade deal there. To have the sort of

freedom of movement that there is within the European Union, we still

have to be bound by the health and safety regulations that we are

currently bound by, don't we? Largely, we would probably have to

comply with those. If you look at what Canada did with the European

Union, they went through a lot of regulations they were happy to

harmonise or mutually recognise, but then many others would have to be

designed for the European market. When we sell to the US we would have

a different set of regulations. So all of these things will still be

applicable to UK businesses. Thank you. I just want to bring you an

update on what is happening at Hogan Tube station. The press office for

Transport for London has said the fire at Holborn Tube station is

Julie to a fault on the train. They have ruled out terrorism as a cause.

It is worth noting that last week there was a small fire on an

underground train at Oxford Circus station that was on the Bakerloo

line train. That was caused by an electrical fault under the train.

The pictures at the time looks pretty dramatic of smoke in a train

carriage. Four people treated for smoke inhalation and we don't have

details of whether anyone has been affected by smoke inhalation in this

latest incident at Holborn but we will keep you up-to-date. The

important thing to note is it is not being treated as suspicious.

Denzil Lush says people should be far more aware of the risks

of a power of attorney, which is a legal document allowing

someone to make welfare or financial decisions on your behalf,

Right now let's catch up with the latest weather update.

It's going to be a lovely day if you like sunshine and showers. If we

take a look around the country, you will see some of the weather

watchers' pictures from earlier. This is Kent, Ramsgate. As we move

across the country, we can see showers. We have the rainbow in

Hertfordshire, and a more current picture, this one sent in from

Durham with lovely blue skies. We are looking at a day of sunshine and

showers, we will lose the rain from Kent this morning. We could see 26

Celsius here through the day, but you can also see a lot of dry and

sunny weather as we sweep into south-west England. For Wales, again

some showers, they will be fewer and further between but more frequent

across Northern Ireland and possibly more heavy here as well, but

nonetheless still a lot of dry weather. A lot of dry weather across

Scotland but you will have more frequent showers, some will be heavy

and thundery. In north-east England, heading down the eastern side of the

Pennines you can see a mixture of sunshine and showers but some of

those showers could be heavy. Through the evening and overnight

the showers tend to fade and we are looking at clearing skies, a cooler

night than the one just gone but by the end of the night we will have

stronger winds and rain arriving into the west of Northern Ireland.

That's courtesy of this area of low pressure with its weather front. The

squeeze on the isobars is telling you it will be windy. Gale is

possible through the Irish Sea and with exposure in the west. The rain

is coming in smartly across Northern Ireland and also Scotland, but not

as quickly across north-west England, Wales and into south-west

England. Where we have this combination with lower temperatures,

it will feel cooler, the coolness exacerbated by the rain and wind,

but as we drift east, increasing amounts of cloud ahead of this

weather front. The further east you travel, the more likely you are to

see some sunshine with temperatures up to 23. As we move into Thursday,

that rain crosses us overnight. We have the remnants during Thursday,

then it's replaced once again by sunshine and showers. Showers fairly

hit and miss, not everyone will catch one. If you are in the

sunshine, high temperatures up to 24 in London, will feel quite pleasant,

as in Newcastle with high temperatures of 21.

as in Newcastle with high temperatures of 21. Member jurors

temperatures down a touch, it will feel that much cooler. As for the

weekend, mixed fortunes, as you come further south, looking at sunshine

and showers, a bit more rain showers in the north of the country, if you

are wondering about Sunday, the forecast changing but at the moment

looks like for Northern Ireland, Scotland, northern England and North

Wales, we will see some rain but try as we push further south!

Hello, it's Tuesday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling

We hear more from the man who was Chloe Ayling's agent

when the model was drugged and kidnapped in Milan.

Phil Green says she is coping well after her traumatic ordeal.

She clearly had gone through a tremendous amount of suffering and

had an horrific ordeal and I know that if that had happened to 95% of

the other models in my agency they would have crumbled.

You can hear the second part of our interview later this hour.

Also we speak to a retired judge who says it's too risky just giving one

person power of attorney which allows them to make welfare or

financial decisions on your behalf. Taylor Swift has won her

case against the former We hear from an American journalist

who sat through the court case and says this is a win

for all women. She stood up for herself, not just

for herself and women in general and that is what she spoke to, she

maintained that stands and you could tell she was up there not just

speaking for herself but to show women out there it's OK to stand up

for what you believe in. We've also hear from a lawyer in this country

who hopes it will empower more women in this country to speak out.

Here's Rachel in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

The government is to outline plans to negotiate a temporary customs

relationship with the EU after Brexit. The mistress want to ensure

an arrangement similar to the current customs union will remain in

place until a final trade settlement takes effect. Be you commission says

the move is a positive step towards a starting phase one of the

negotiations. And they will study the position paper carefully. The

Brexit secretary David Davis says it means businesses will avoid

unnecessary disruption. We sell about 230 billion euros of

goods and services to the European Union each year, they sell 290

billion to us. I was in Bavaria 200 -- I was in Bavaria a couple of

weeks ago, they sell Alex on goods and they have an incredibly strong

interest in something like this, there is an interest in both sides

on not doing it the hard, both to do with customs arrangements and to do

with having a free trade area in the first place.

Mudslides and floods in Sierra Leone are now known to have killed more

than 300 people on the outskirts of the capital, Freetown.

Thousands more have been forced to flee from their homes.

Government officials have warned the number of casualties

is expected to rise, with hundreds of bodies thought to

The mayor of Freetown says at least 270 bodies have

Millions of rail users will see a 3.6% increase in many rail

Train operators are allowed to raise regulated fares -

which account for nearly half of all tickets - by as much

as the Retail Prices Index figure for July, which rose by 3.6%.

The headline Consumer Price Index inflation was 2.6% in

A train has partially derailed at Waterloo station in London,

The South West Trains service struck a freight train at low

speed between Waterloo and Vauxhall stations.

Three people were checked for injuries, but did not

Thirteen platforms are out of use, with disruption excepted to last

In a separate incident a train has hit the buffers

A spokesperson from Great Northern said the train came into contact

with the buffers at low speed at twenty past six this morning.

The Rail Accident Investigation Branch has been informed.

London's Holborn Underground station has been closed as emergency

services respond to a fire alert and reports of smoke. Ten firefighters

and two engines presented to the station, an eyewitness on a train at

the station said smoke-filled one of the characters. Transport for London

said the problem was caused by a defective train. -- smoke-filled one

of the carriages. A pensioner who was stabbed

while trying to save the life of the Labour MP,

Jo Cox, has died. Bernard Kenny, who was 79,

was awarded the George Medal for his bravery -

after he intervened when a right-wing extremist attacked

the MP in the run-up to last Mr Kenny was seriously

injured in the attack, but the cause of his death is not

believed to be related A girl has died after a man drove

a car into a pizza restaurant Twelve other people

were injured in the attack, Police said they're treating

the incident as deliberate, The driver of the car, a 32-year-old

man, has been arrested. Iran says it could abandon

its nuclear deal with world powers "within hours",

if the United States continues President Hassan Rouhani told

the country's parliament. The deal which was struck in 2015

saw the lifting of most international sanctions in return

for curbs on its nuclear programme. The pop star Taylor Swift has won

a sexual assault case against ex-radio DJ David Mueller,

who she said had groped His claim for damages,

on the grounds that his reputation had been destroyed by false

allegations, was thrown out. He's been ordered to pay a token

one-dollar in damages. Taylor Swift said she took

the action against him to give other victims of sexual assault

the confidence to The fat outfit theory that

overweight people can still be healthy is nothing but is according

to researchers from two top UK universities. Scientists from

Cambridge and Imperial College London found being obese or

overweight increases your risk of coronary heart disease by 28% even

if you are otherwise healthy and act.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

Still to come, we will hear from Phil Green, the agent of the model

Chloe Aileen who was kidnapped and taken to Italy.

Liverpool are hoping to rip reach the group stages of the Champions

League for the first time in three years. They are in Germany this

evening and Jurgen Klopp has made it clear the match tonight is the only

thing on his mind and not the future of the leak could you. They've

bazillion is a target for Barcelona but Liverpool have rejected two bids

for him before Coutinho submitted a transfer request which was

dismissed. He didn't play at the weekend because of a back injury and

the manager says he knows speculation is rife but his sole

focus is on the game ahead. I really understand everybody is interested

in this but I can't say I am really thinking about it. It's just, I am

here, but I am not in the car, on the way to the Conference, I did not

think what could I say if they ask or whatever because I have to think

about other things. It's understood Diego Costa has been ordered to

return to the Premier League champions after being fined for

failing to report for pre-season training. He was told by the

miniature fire text in June that he wasn't part of his plans this

season, the striker currently in Brazil, threatening to sit out the

remaining two years of his contract if he is not allowed to leave. The

Spanish international is considering legal action and has his heart set

on returning to Atletico Madrid although Chelsea are demanding his

return before any decision on his future is made. Premier League clubs

are to take a vote on the idea of closing the transfer window before

the start of the season. The window runs until August 31, it's been a

problem this season with the future of several high-profile players on

results. Under the proposals are new league sides would not be able to

add to their squads once the season kicks off but it wouldn't apply to

clubs from Europe signing players from England. If it is past it would

come into effect next season. Kyle Edmund continues to struggle in the

build-up to the US Open, beaten in the first round of the Cincinnati

Masters by a Portuguese opponent in three sets. He was knocked out of

the first-round of the Montreal Masters last week. The final Grand

Slam of the year begins at the end the month. Andy Murray will be

replaced as the World War I by Rafael Nadal at the end of the

tournament this week. Andy Murray is not playing because of an ongoing

problem, the Spaniard will top the world rankings for the first time in

three years. England cricketers stepped into the unknown this week

when they play their first day night Test match, the first played in this

country. The opening series against the West Indies. The 2pm on

Thursday, lunch at 4pm, plate finishing at 9pm. The game will be

played with a pink box showing up at under the lights, a new experience

for bowler Stuart broad. The pink ball county round, the guys said the

ball went quite soft quite quickly, we are just going to have to be so

adaptable on the day. We are going in with a completely clear mind,

completely learning on the job, almost. The team that will, more

successful this week is the team that reacts quicker. And that is all

your support for now. I will be back with more later. Thank you so much.

Power of attorney is a legal document that allows someone else

to look after your property and financial affairs.

It's increasingly common - used especially by older

people who can no longer manage their everyday lives.

Nearly 650,000 applications were made last year in England

and Wales to register powers of attorney ...

But the judge who wrote the legal guidebook to powers of attorney,

who was the head of the court of protection for 20 years,

has told the BBC he would never sign one himself, they have few

safeguards, and the ministry of justice is "disingenuous"

Let's speak now to Today Programme correspondent Sanchia Berg who's

Tell us more about this, it is extraordinary when the judge Europe

and says he wouldn't have won. He says there are a few safeguards,

although there is the office of the public partying, part of the

Ministry of Justice which investigates complaints they will

only investigate once someone alerts on to something. Dental luxury for

20 years presided over more than 6000 of these ensuring our lasting

power of attorney cases, he has seen many examples where problems arose

and they just weren't caught in time and you will hear from a viewer

about a problem that went on for years, her father's estate

effectively looted and nothing they could do because the complaint were

not investigated. Now complaints are more likely to be investigated but

nonetheless, the judge believes people should be far more aware of

the risks. OK, thank you. Joining us now, Lesley Willetts

and her husband Brian Felton have experienced the problems

of the Power of Attorney themselves. Lesley's father, a Dunkirk veteran

with dementia was left destitute after he gave his neighbours

power of attorney. Denzil Lush is a senior judge

who headed the Court of Protection for 20 years and adjudicated 6,000

power of attorney cases. He says the power of

attorney has few safeguards Thank you both for joining us.

Leslie, it sounds like you had a turbo situation, talk us through

what happened to your father and power of attorney was given to a

neighbour. -- a terrible situation. Basically when the neighbour to

guard a power of attorney in 2003 and he had a will made out at the

same time it was effectively, we were just literally hard from any

protest, any insight into the financial affairs of my father, even

his day-to-day care seemed to be lost to us in a sense. And the

attorney was able to try and isolate him from our family and also

effectively take his money and concealed the fact he had taken the

money. He had complete power and there was no further week ago, no

one we could ask what do we do about this and was only when he registered

the power of attorney in 2004, this was 18 months later, when in effect

he had used all my father's savings and in effect he had to sell my

father's house, so he had to register the power of attorney for

that, our family objected but the registration went through

nonetheless but the cause was Yorkshire County Council came on

board at the time, they'd had letters of concern by other

neighbours that we decided to go for an appeal hearing in 2005. Sorry to

interrupt, it's absolutely extraordinary to hear you describe

what happened and to hear you say your father's house was being sold

under him and up until that point none of you knew what was going on

and you were powerless to do anything?

And it wasn't until the appeal hearing that we suspected there was

financial abuse. We had to prove the unsuitability of the attorney which

is incredibly difficult to do. We didn't have any evidence, all we

could do was protect ourselves and question why someone can get the

power of attorney so easily. Can I just say, at the appeal hearing the

attorney was required to submit annual accounts which we were really

relieved about, so at least we knew there was some accountability for

his finances going on. When you say it was hard to question, well you

question why it is that someone can get power of attorney so easily.

This was a neighbour. How did it happen? It was literally groom,

isolate, abuse. I was groomed, my father was groomed, I think social

services were groomed. Once that happened, he was supposed to come

down to us in 2003 but he was registered, who was in a

psychogeriatric ward at the time. We had arranged to have him discharged

to our care but for some reason social services allowed him to be

discharged to the neighbour's care, registered them as his carer and

within days were taken to a solicitor, had a power of attorney

made out and will to his benefit. So this was someone you had all trusted

absolutely? Yes, well I so. Will bring in Denzel. You adjudicated

over 6000 cases in that period where there have been issues and you now

say you would not use one yourself. Tell us more about your concerns.

Yes, I would prefer not to use one myself because I would rather go for

the default position, which is where the court appoints somebody to look

after a deputy to look after your property, and you are required to

account annually. You have to give a security bond which is a sort of

insurance policy that covers only default, and usually get a visit and

support from the office of the Public Guardian. Servers that

effectively how it used to work and how you would prefer for it to

continue working in your case? What's happened in Frank Willet's

case would not happen to quite the same extent now. This was an

enduring power of attorney, they have since been replaced in effect

by things called lasting powers of attorney. The office of the public

Guardian tends to initiate applications to the Court of

Protection rather than relatives to where they are concerned that has

been some misappropriation. In your experience of looking at these, have

you seen many instances of where it has worked really well? Because

obviously there are people who are vulnerable, they cannot manage their

affairs, family and loved ones need to work out a way of doing it in the

best way they can. Of course. I sort your liver pathology, if you are

with me. I saw the cases where they all went pear shaped which is

possibly why I wouldn't make one myself. I'm sure there are many

cases, the majority of cases where these do work satisfactorily. Is

there a way the system could be made better? Because you are saying you

would opt out of this particular way of handling affairs. Is it time for

everybody to actually look to another direction? Or can this

system be improved? Because as it stands it has to be a case of where

not only something has gone wrong but it has been discovered and you

can prove what's happened and that takes a lot of time, expense and

heartbreak. I think things can be improved. I think the office of the

Public Guardian is looking into the possibility of possibly a security

bond to cover attorney ships where there is a default position. Also,

in the Republic of Ireland they have a state-of-the-art piece of

legislation which requires attorneys to produce accounts to their

equivalent of the Public Guardian each year. When you hear Leslie

describing what happened, that the neighbour could get power of

attorney so easily, what do you think? It is surely not beyond the

realms of possibility is to stop that happening? Just make it harder?

This is one of the big concerns, that the Public Guardian is keen to

get as many possible lasting power of attorney applications done online

and digitally and there are concerns that what existing safeguards there

are are being dampened down all the time.

So it could easily be the case that anyone watching this programme with

a vulnerable relative could give power of attorney to somebody who

may not do the right thing by them or their family, there's nothing to

stop that happening? Yes, that is possible. One of the interesting

things as well is Leslie's Father's case was a little unusual insofar as

in my experience it is family members that are usually the

abusers. I remember going to a conference in Melbourne, Australia.

And they came up with... The university did some research saying

you are twice as likely to be ripped off by your son as your daughter and

I thought that was fascinating, and I came back and looked at my own

statistics which run into many hundreds and more than that. And I

worked out that 68% of the abusers of lasting Powers of attorney are

the child, the donor, the person who created the power, of those 36% are

sons, 22% are daughters, and the Remainer are sons and daughters

together. Leslie, a final for from you because people watching will be

horrified to find out what happened to you and if they have vulnerable

relatives they are concerned about, they could be worried about what

might potentially happen to them. After what you have been through,

what advice would you give? To be honest, I don't know. There's no

where people can go to get independent advice. Once you get

entangled with the Court of Protection, it is very hard to

manoeuvre your way around it and it can become extremely expensive. Can

I mention one thing that judge Lush is bringing up, about juicing

accounts. My father 's attorney was ordered to produce accounts on an

annual basis and he duly did in 2005 and 2006, but when I became court

deputy in 2008 when the attorney ship was finally revoked, it was

obvious within days that the Court accounts review team had ignored

gross breaches of their own rules and regulations. I mean my father's

proceeds from his house sales... Lots of complex things were

happening, how much was lost in the end and how much has it cost you?

Everything was lost. We have actually High Court orders, one

overturned the will and the other was a High Court order that was

380,000, now stands at more because there's an 8% interest rate added to

it, but do we get anything back? So far not and I'm not terribly

helpful. The Court of Protection we are still fighting because they

refuse to accept accountability. Thank you, Leslie, very much for

joining us and is talking about your family's situation.

In a statement a Ministry of Justice spokesperson said:

"Safeguarding vulnerable people is our priority.

We take swift action if any abuse is reported and have a zero

tolerance approach to any attorney or deputy who breaks the law.

If there is evidence that someone has abused their position,

we can refer cases to the Court of Protection to urgently revoke

a lasting power of attorney or deputyship order."

Let us know if you have had any experience of this, good or bad.

We hear the second part of our exclusive interview

Phil Green the agent of Chloe Ayling the model kidnapped

He talks about how she reacted to the ordeal.

Taylor Swift has won a sexual assault case

against a former radio DJ, who she said had groped her

David Mueller from Colorado had originally tried to sue the American

singer-songwriter saying her claims had cost him his

David Mueller from Colorado had originally tried to sue the American

singer-songwriter saying her claims had cost him his

Taylor was awarded a symbolic one dollar in damages,

because she wanted to highlight the issue women are

interactive show 'Daily Blast Live' was in court.

When the verdict came, she was very happy. What had she been like

throughout the hearings? She testified last Thursday and she was

very fierce, that's the way I would describe her. She was very

confident, unwavering in her stance, and I know the attorney of David

Mueller was trying to get her to appear weak. It is her job to make

her get flustered or say things differently to try to prove her case

but she maintained her stance. I don't know what I can say on this

programme, but she did not use the word rear end and she made sure to

use profanity each time because she wanted it to be vulgar. She didn't

want it to be polite. She maintained that what happened to her was not

polite and she needed to stand up for herself, not just for herself

but for women in general and that's what she spoke to and she maintained

that stance. You could tell she was up there not just speaking for

herself but to show women out there that it is OK to stand up for what

you believe in and not have anyone tried to waver and say you were

smiling in this photo in question. Because that did come up. Why are

you smiling, acting a certain way? She doesn't have to defend herself

and she wasn't going to let anyone tear her down. Did she get emotional

at all? On the stands she did not, she did get emotional when she heard

her mother speak or when David Mueller's attorney was speaking

saying this photo doesn't show her looking like she has just been

groped. Even though she is fierce and confident on the stand, it was

still something that was very emotional to her. She did not report

this to police when it happened, it ended up in court with her suing him

for a symbolic $1 because he was suing her. Through the process

though, in the eyes of her fans and other members of the public, has she

effectively become a campaigner on this issue? She really has. I have

been live tweeting this quite a bit and you usually hear from both sides

of someone defending Mueller, someone defending Swift, but you

have people saying I believe in her cause even though I am not a fan, so

it transcended her as a staff and came down to the issue that a woman

has a right to go after someone who sexually assaulted her, and she was

assaulted. And she is an influential woman. What reaction has there been?

After the jury went out and there was people leaving, and ran into one

of her young fans who was there with her mother and had been going to

court every day. She was so excited, she felt justice had been served. I

noticed the best quality about this little interaction was that this

little girl felt empowered. She wasn't afraid of Mueller and she was

so happy Swift stood up to that man. You could tell she was taking that

in and if, God forbid she is ever in that situation, she felt ready and

inspired by the actions of one woman that happened to be Taylor Swift.

She has now said she will be donating to organisations in the

future to help sexual assault and is defend themselves because she

ignored she has -- she acknowledged she has the resources to do that.

What else has she said? She hasn't been publicly speaking either in the

media or on social media but I believe she intends to go into what

organisations she intends to donate to in time, I think she will slowly

roll this out at ink she needs to decompress, it was a highly

emotional case for her and I know it means a lot to her and I know she

wants to formulate a plan, she comes across to me as someone who wants a

detailed plan of action and we will know it soon, I don't know whether

it's within the next week but it will happen. I mentioned it she did

not go to police when this happened four years ago, it was what's been

talked about as a low-level sexual assault, someone dropping her under

her skirt, what has she said about the impact on her that? The only

time she has ever mentioned it, but I have heard, is in Court, when her

mother said when she found out, she felt like vomiting and crying at the

same time, Taylor Swift has not been the same, the recent she doesn't go

into crowds any more and when you see her and

you see her at need and greed is, she is there close to her fans. When

I was in Court, she looked up and acknowledged me and I am sure she

did that to all the people, even if they were media or suppose that

fans. They are curious to watch the case. She seemed like a very warm

person and to show that she did not want to go out into the crowds, so

she would impact one person can have, it's the only time she said

she has ever been groped and it still sticks with her to this day.

Why didn't she go to the police? The way she described it, it was very

quick and there is a meet and greet, fans shuffling in and out within a

second, if she would have stopped for one moment to say what happened,

that would have destroyed the experience for all those fans, for

her, she went and finished what she had to do, a dozen people left and

as soon as the line finished she told everyone that was in the room,

that crack -- guy totally grabbed my, she used the profanity and they

said I know. The photographer looked and saw the photo and her management

went and they considered calling the police but they considered the best

course of action was to just alert his bosses at the radio station.

Thank you. In the last 15 minutes,

the government has announced some of the key details about the public

inquiry into Grenfell Tower fire. It will look at not just the fire

itself but the actions of the local How wide-ranging will it be? We have

something from the chairman of the inquiry and the Prime Minister,

setting out the terms of reference, we happen waiting for these, the

areas they will look into. It includes six, reading through, the

cause and spread of the fire, we knew that, we expected that, the

design construction and refurbishment of Grenfell Tower, the

scope and adequacy of the relevant regulations relating to high-rise

buildings across the country, whether relevant legislation and

guidance was complied with in the case of Grenfell Tower that will be

key. And also, we were not quite sure about this, to Max -- two extra

things they have added, the response of the London Fire Brigade and local

government and amongst others, and the last elements could be key. Will

it satisfy residents who are concerned about what the inquiry

will cover? These letters have only been released, campaigners keen this

inquiry is as broad as possible, not just looking at the immediate

causes, we know if rich freezer caught fire, the cladding, but looks

at the wider causes and on the face of it, the statement goes some way

towards addressing that. -- a fridge freezer caught fire. The Prime

Minister says she is adamant that the wider causes around this will be

addressed, she will meet social housing tenants to see what further

proposals can be made in due course. -- the Housing Minister will meet

local residents. On a first reading this seems to address some of the

questions about the fire, not just the immediate cause but the actions

crucially of the Council before the blaze. Thank you.

Now we return to the extraordinary story of model Chloe Ayling,

who jetted off to Milan for what she thought

was a photoshoot, but instead was kidnapped and held for six days

by Lukasz Herba, a Polish national from Birmingham.

She says he told her she was going to be sold into sex slavery then

issued a ransom note to a number of people in the UK for her release.

One of those was Phil Green, her agent at the time -

who had initially booked her on the job with Lukasz -

who was posing as a photographer named Andre.

In his only BBC interview, Phil Green - that former agent -

He praises Chloe's bravery throughout this ordeal

and claims she has been offered counselling but has refused

despite her now being afraid to go anywhere alone.

In the second part of this interview I began by asking Phil what happened

It wasn't until the Sunday, this is following the kidnapping

on the Tuesday, the Sunday we heard there were some

It turns out that in the early hours of Monday morning,

the attacker, this Lukasz Herba, walks into the consulate office

with Chloe and says I'm her friend, she's the girl who's been kidnapped,

Well, the consulate staff immediately rang the police,

he was arrested and then Chloe had to face 16 hours...

16 hours of questioning by the police, who were

I had to say they were insensitive and didn't show much compassion

during the time of the interviewing and, in fact, one of the magistrates

in Italy who she had to face doubted some of the elements of the story.

And openly said to her you're lying, you know?

And, of course, it is an amazing story.

In fact, when the British police heard that this man had walked

into the consulate with the model they thought, hang on a second,

it looks like the photographer was kidnapped as well.

When she gave me the whole version of events, from being attacked

to being released, it did sound amazingly fantastic to be true.

Equally so, I always kept staunchly loyal to Chloe, who I represented.

She clearly had gone through a tremendous amount

of suffering and horrific ordeal, and I know that if that had happened

to 95% of the other models in my agency they would have

crumbled and not reached a conclusion in this.

I feel that she has been incredibly strong -

strong willed and strong minded - to try to get through this.

She doesn't seem to have been fazed by the ordeal.

When it first emerged, we saw pictures quite quickly

of her in front of the media with the puppy, looking

Well, I know her, I've known her for a year.

I don't think I've ever seen her fazed through any situation.

But this was a traumatic ordeal, was she not traumatised?

My worry was that maybe she was psychologically

scarred from this and, indeed, the police in this

country said we're going to get her counselling.

And I think, you know, it might be a delayed reaction.

But certainly right now there is no sign of any

The detail of what she went through is distressing,

it's shocking, and yet she doesn't seem to have much public sympathy.

I understand that, and it really is because of this lapse of time

And thank you very much, the Italian police,

Certainly Chloe wouldn't have wanted that.

When she spoke to me from her hotel room in Milan

after the ordeal she said, well, I don't want

She said, I'm actually humiliated by it, I don't want people to know

I want to just come back to the country and get back

to my mum and my dog and just carry on my life.

But the Italian police have a strange way of

So she never wanted any publicity around this?

She gave her evidence at a pre-trial review ten days ago and straight

after the pre-trial review the prosecutor then called a meeting

with the press in Italy, first of all, and that meeting

and that press release brought about attention

But she, of course, didn't have to respond to that.

She could have stayed quiet about it.

She didn't have to respond, but you mention the stories

Those stories have come about because the press didn't

Even the Italian police were doubting her, don't

And it's only now through confirmation from her lawyer that

people are now starting to believe that she actually went through this.

She doesn't get upset when we talk about it.

The only thing we've talked about, and she's said,

I'm afraid to go out alone, which she never was.

I mean, she used to come up to see me at the agency and travel

But now she's said I really don't want to get on a train or any public

So that, for me, is the only outward sign I've seen of it

She is now making money out of what she went through.

That was never the intention and, as I said, she's been called

to the press to give her version of events.

OK, she's been paid for it, you know...

But not just through the press, through public speaking,

People will presumably book her now because she is known

Well, all her modelling has been cancelled.

There hasn't been any topless photo shoots since she got back,

She's with an agency now who specialise in public speaking.

You know, after all we've been through, a successful year and then

the time she spent in Milan, myself paying for her accommodation,

her food and expenses, paying for her return flight ticket

back, 24 hours after getting back to go and walk into another agent's

Do you feel any guilt around the fact that this all happens,

She was on your books, she was sent off on this photo shoot

You have to feel a little amount of guilt.

Would I have done anything different?

Again, if the same situation arose, probably not.

The same checks have been carried out by my agency

on countless hundreds, maybe thousands, of jobs

over the last 30 years I've had my agency.

And we've never had an incident, we've never had to challenge

a client or a photographer who we've sent a model to saying

that was inappropriate or, you know, they've never been in danger

I think possibly, possibly on future jobs, certainly abroad,

I might say to the model if you prefer, maybe think

It isn't something the agency offers, it's something we don't

have, but if a model wants to take someone with her, maybe

And that was to ailing's agent Phil Green talking to me about her

ordeal. It has been 70 years since partition

between India and Pakistan came into effect. It was the largest mass

migration ever recorded, 12 million people on the move across the newly

formed borders. Muslim is journeyed to West and East, but and that now

forms Pakistan, Hindus and Sikhs headed in the opposite direction,

hundreds of thousand of duck did or killed. -- Abdul did.

Let's talk now to Vinod Chhabra who fled what is now Pakistan

for India when he was nine years old,

his cousin Ajay Chhabra and his son Diren.

Ajay says partition has lived with his family for decades,

Gurinder Chadha who directed films Bend it like Beckham and this year's

Viceroys House amongst other joins us from the Wagah border

which separates India and Pakistan and has played host to events

marking the 70th anniversary, and in Leicester in Professor

Gurharpal Singh who has speciliasded in the history of Partition.

Thank you for joining us, it's great to have three generations of your

family here to talk about what you went through. You were nine when

partition happened, what happened? Firstly I want to say happy

Independence Day to all of those watching this programme. Luckily it

is 50 years today, it is the 15th of August I landed here in England on

the 15th and that was one of those days when my uncle brought me from

the Heathrow Airport, and from onwards I have been here and in

Germany and all around Europe and have been working here. These are

the memories I will have to go back, I mean long dark about 60 years. And

that is in my childhood. Those are the memories which I personally

think are still haunting, sometimes when I think about them. So what do

you remember of that time? Precisely I will tell you, because I was

around eight or nine. I was not in a school because there were disturbed

areas all around and actually we were not regularly going to school.

Unfortunately that was... We work in one of the major cities in Pakistan.

Sorry to interrupt, literally in an instant your life changed from the

ordered life you had known up until that point and suddenly it was gone,

how did you cope with that? It changed to some extent that I would

say at that time I didn't understand, but then when I grew up,

I said how did that happen to our family? The factory and we were

living there and asked to leave that place immediately. So you lost

everything overnight? At the age I'm talking about, we did not know what

was happening tomorrow because we were shifting from that area to a

place with military and rifles and everything. They said, don't go up,

don't show your faces. That's why it was so scary, we were so small and

we didn't know what was happening all around. We have Diren next to

you. What do you think when you hear Vinod talking about what he went

through at the age you are? It must have been horrible time for him.

Since he's my grandfather I know how it feels and I know him. When he