14/08/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

It's nine o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling.

Urgent action is needed to deal with thousands of prisoners

still serving time on indeterminate sentences where they are still

inside years after the jail term they were given.

I don't like getting up in the morning, because I don't know what

is going to happen. There might be a phone call. A phone call to say

what? That he took his own life, I think that is what is going to

happen if we can't get him out. We'll hear from the families

of two men who have been in prison for years longer

than their original sentence. Rallies and vigils in cities

across America to condemn the violence and hatred seen

in Charlottesville Virgina at the weekend when white

supremicists and anti-fascists The American vice president

Mike Pence has condemned far right protestors

over the violence. We have no tolerance for hate

and violence from white These dangerous fringe groups have

no place in American public life and the American public debate

and we condemn them And 70 years ago 200 years

of British colonial rule in India came to an end when the country

was partitioned into Pakistan and India -

hundreds of thousands of people were killed as violence

erupted on both sides. We will talk to two families

about what it meant for them Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning. Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about today - including the news of a big increase

in the number of people being arrested for being drunk

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and have experienced drunk passengers or if you're a traveller

with views on whether licensing laws should be changed -

do get in contact. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

and if you text, you will be charged The US Vice President, Mike Pence,

has responded to the weekend's deadly violence at a white

supremacist rally in Virginia - by saying he condemns

white supremacists "in A vigil was held in Charlottesville

last night to remember Heather Heyer, who was killed

during the protests. 19 others were injured when a car

was driven into a crowd President Trump has been criticised

for failing to speak out Our Washington Correspondent Laura

Bicker has this report. The candles and songs

are for Heather Heyer, who died standing up

for what she believed in. After a weekend of deadly

violence and anger on the streets, there is now

a longing to come together Heather was one of the

demonstrators trying to stop white supremacists marching

through Charlottesville on Saturday. She was killed when

this car ploughed Her close friend now

appeals for unity. I want everybody to get together

and unite and spread love and spread peace and spread happiness

and don't let hate live. Don't just let someone

walk away freely Tell them that that's not

OK, that it's not OK. One of the organisers

of the Unite The Right rally And as he left,

he was forced to flee. Armed police had to

escort him from the city. He's condemned the

violence but says he I feel like my First Amendment

rights and the rights of the people at my

rally were violated. But there is no sympathy here for

those who brought hate to the city. Laura Bicker, BBC News,

Charlottesville. Rachel Schofield is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary The chairman of the Parole Board

Nick Hardwick says ministers "must act now" to address the backlog

of prisoners serving The sentence, known as Imprisonment

for Public Protection, or IPP, was abolished in 2012 but more

than 3000 people in England and Wales are still being held

with no release date. The Ministry of Justice says it's

working to process these cases And we'll have more on that

story in a few minutes. Arrests of passengers suspected

of being drunk at UK airports and on flights have risen

by 50% in the past year, according to an investigation

carried out by Panorama. Critics of the airline industry say

a voluntary code on alcohol sales isn't working,

and want the government A spokesman for the Home Office said

they will respond in due course. A man has been charged

with the murder of a grandfather who was attacked as he walked his

dogs in Norfolk. The body of 83-year-old

Peter Wrighton was found in woodland near the village

of East Harling last Saturday. Police say he had been

repeatedly stabbed. Alexander Palmer, who's 23,

is due in court later today. Armed officers in the UK's biggest

police force are to be issued They will be attached

to the caps and protective helmets of members of

the Metropolitan Police's Scotland Yard has yet to decide

on how to use body-worn cameras Security forces in Burkina Faso have

killed two suspected jihadist gunmen after a terrorist attack

in the capital. The country's communications

minister says a number of hostages were trapped inside a restaurant

after gunmen opened At least 18 people are believed

to have been killed in the attack South Korea's President has urged

both the US and North Korea to act reasonably and peacefully

in the current nuclear stand off. Moon Jae-in said, "There must be no

more war on the Korean Peninsula". His comments come after a week of

ratcheting up of tensions by the US He's due to meet America's most

senior military officer later today. Up to 140,000 vulnerable children

did not receive the help they needed last year

because their situation was not judged to be serious enough,

according to Action for Children. The charity has found thousands

of young people referred to social services did not end up getting any

support before their The government says its reforms

will improve the situation. Debbie has been working

in children's services for 16 years and helps families with anything

from behavioural problems But she says it's become harder

to provide the support they need. I've got, across the sites I run,

I've got just under 2,500 under fives and three

members of staff, so as much as we do,

there's a lot that we can't possibly do because we can't be

everywhere at once. We're already aware of families

that we're not picking up in the same way and it's only

going to get worse from that. A freedom of information request

to local authorities found that last year, 184,500 children's needs

assessments were closed because they fell short

of the criteria for support. The charity Action For Children

says only around one in four families received early help

services such as children's centres We know from too many cases

that if we're not able to help children early,

that there are strong likelihoods For example, in serious

case reviews, 70% of the time we know that there

have been early warning signs But we also know that if we give

children and families the tools to help themselves much earlier,

then they're much more likely not to need help

later on in any case. The local government association

blames government cuts But the Department

for Education says it's taking action to support vulnerable

children by reforming social care services and better

protecting victims It says councils spent almost

?8 billion last year on children's social care,

but it wants to help them do more. Pakistan is celebrating the 70th

anniversary of its creation There were fireworks at midnight

to mark the moment of partition from India at the end

of British colonial rule. The partition of British India

in 1947 was marked by the largest mass migration in history,

with huge bloodshed on both sides. The American space agency's Cassini

probe has begun the final phase The satellite has begun a series

of "ultra-close" passes through Scientists are hoping it will reveal

more about the chemical make-up and internal structure

of the planet. It is either Billy one of the most

distinctive sounds in the world -- it is arguably one of the most.

However, next Monday at midday Big Ben will chime for the final

time until 2021 to allow repair work to take place on the clock

The bells will still ring out on Remembrance Sunday

and at New Year but will otherwise fall silent for only

Experts have suggested removing soot and repairing the bell in the clock

could change the frequency of the soundwaves and even

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 930am.

Let's get some sport with Hugh Ferris.

Let's start with athletics and a string of medals over

the weekend saw Great Britain reach their medal target.

If you had asked me on Saturday morning I would have said not

particularly brilliant, but now you are asking me on Monday night I

would say quite impressive. The medal target was 5-8 and so they got

six in the end, and four of those came over the weekend. Five in the

last 48 hours if you include Mo Farah, but the women's four by 400

metres have the won a medal in each of the last five championships. And

then there was a bronze for the men's Quartet. Martyn Rooney on the

last leg there. The relay medals papered over the cracks, some would

say, after it was a disappointing championships and till then, but

they have been very much investing time and money on the relay squad

and it has paid dividends. It is a very young team, as well. You have

to look at many fourth-place achievements by young athletes who

will use this as a jumping off point for what will come in the next three

years. How did Tom Bosworth get

on in the 20 kilometre walk? Many people remember him from the

Victoria Derbyshire programme when he came out as being gay, a very

emotional time for him a couple of years ago, and it was very emotional

for him yesterday, he was disqualified while leading in the 20

kilometres walk. You basically get three red cards and then you are

out, and there he is, he was devastated. He had to be

disqualified from the race. He was very upset afterwards. This is just

the beginning. These bad days happened but they make the good day

's taste really good and the support I've had from everyone, I'm sorry...

I've let them down and I can get a medal, but I know I can get a medal

one-day. I won't be complacent, I've got to work hard and come out and

show what Eichenried do. Such a shame, but he will go on to bigger

and better things few -- show what I can really do.

And Usain Bolt and MO Farah said their goodbyes yesterday?

Usain Bolt was given a piece of the 2012 track, the Lane in which he won

the 100 metres five years ago. He has said he will now spend time

having some fun. Not like he hadn't had any for the last ten years for

the Mo Farah departed with strong and angry words, saying part of the

media had tried to destroy his legacy, concerning his relationship

with his coach Alberto Salazar, who is being investigated by the US

anti-doping agency. He has not been accused of anything wrong in terms

of doping, but Mo Farah was not pleased that his legacy might be

tarnished. I will still keep fighting and working hard and making

my country proud, and I'm proud to be British and put my GB vest on and

do it for my country. You can write what you like, but at the same time,

I'm a clean athlete and as long as I sleep well at night and laughing my

children, showing what's right, that is what counts -- loving. He is so

going to be known as Mohammed Farah now.

Away from the athletics, there was an unlikely winner

Yes, his name is Justin Thomas. He was known for his sartorial

elegance, but he is an American. And this is one of his six birdies on

his final-round 68. Trust me, that was one of his six birdies. He walks

away, and then he finds that a gust of wind is on his side and in it

goes. It was very dramatic, at 1.5 players shared the lead. -- at one

point five players. He is one of a new group of Americans, along with

the likes of Jordan Spieth, who failed to become the youngest ever

player to win a golfing grand slam. They are good friends and they will

be a real challenge to the likes of Rory McIlroy in the years to come,

but once again a new winner of a major tournament. Watch out for

Justin Thomas and his 14 seconds putt. Thanks for joining us.

One person has written to us to say, why don't they close the bars at

airports, it is just profits that keep them going. Each traveller

could buy in airports but not be allowed to have it until they land

at their destination and it would be much easier to ban it altogether,

they say. Let us know what you think about thinking on planes. --

drinking. 11 years ago today James Ward

was given a 10 month He is still inside and still

has no release date. He is serving what's

known as an indeterminate sentence called an IPP -

Imprisonment for Public Protection. Labour introduced them in 2003

and thought they would apply to a few hundred serious violent

and sexual offenders. Ken Clarke - when he was

the Justice Secretary - called them a "stain"

on the criminal justice Let's talk to Zoe Conway who's been

investigating this for us. We will be discussing self harm

within this section of the programme, so you may find that

upsetting and distressing. Imprisonment for Public Protection

was brought in by Labour in 2005 but abolished in 2012. It wasn't

retroactive which means there are still thousands of people in prison

on the sentence. At its peak there were 6000 IPP prisoners. Now there

are 3300. 85% of them have already served the minimum sentence or

tariff. This is what is called the punishment bit of the sentence.

They've already done that bit of the sentence and yet they are still in

prison. In terms of how over the tariff they are, we are looking at

465 prisoners who were given two years or less, who are now serving

many more years than that. 465 had served at least five years on top of

that tariff. We are talking about some people who have served an

extraordinary length of time. 48 prisoners have in fact served more

than ten years over their minimum. They might have got in the case of

James Ward, ten months. And yet 11 years later, he is still in prison.

This is what is causing such concern amongst prison campaigners. This

morning we heard from Nick Hardwick the chairman of the parole board and

he is urging the government to act. He's been calling on them for the

last year to get a grip on this. He wants to put the burden of proof on

the state, on the present system, to prove that these prisoners still

pose a serious risk. At the moment you get towards the end of your

tariff, you have to show a parole board you are no longer a risk. Many

people including Ken Clarke and Nick Hardwick, also including Michael

Gove, are saying how can a prison prove they are no longer a risk? It

has to be up to the state to decide that. Nick Hardwick feels the parole

board has made some progress, 900 people have been released in the

last year but now it's up to the government to move things along. Why

is it taking so long? There are many reasons but part of the problem is

because there are so many more people in prison than was ever in

visit, the system can't cope. They are supposed to be able to access

courses to reduce their risk, there are huge waiting lists for these

courses. Then they have a parole board hearing, they have to do

another course and they get stuck. Last week, I spent time with the

family of James Ward who went to visit him in prison. I spent the day

with them and we filmed with them. It was rather distressing because

James has been self harming. This film contains some quite distressing

scenes. It's been a while since

we have seen him last. I don't think we have

seen him this year. Bill and Christine

Ward are preparing themselves to visit

their son in prison. He has been locked up

for the last 11 years. They don't know what to

expect when they see him. I think this is the worst

year I have ever done with James, because it is touch

and go, kind of thing. One minute he's up,

the next minute he is down. He is like us, he doesn't

know where he is. When James was 17, he went to prison

for a year for assault. Near the end of his

sentence, he set fire For doing this, a judge

gave him an IPP, or imprisonment for

public protection, and said he should serve

a minimum of ten months. It really does get to you,

you can't sleep at night. You get up, have a cup

of tea, it still I can't remember when I proper

laughed, the last time I laughed. I don't know what it is

like to have a good time James wanted to write to us

but he is not allowed pens I was rushed to

hospital last week as I feel ill treated and I'm still not

getting anywhere after all these I have spoken to my sister recently

and she was in tears I am trying so hard to stay

as strong as possible but I couldn't promise her that I wouldn't

do something stupid. He shoved a pen in his arm

so he went to hospital for that, Basically James is saying that

when he is crying out for help, he is not getting any

and that is why we are so dedicated, you know, to getting him home

because we have got 100% dedication. James is just a number to them,

you know, he is family member, he is my brother, we can look

after him, we can get him the right help, you know,

and every day we could be with him and step-by-step

we can get him there. In order to be released,

IPP prisoners must prove to a parole board that they are no longer

a risk to society. That might sound straightforward

but many have struggled to access the programmes designed

to reduce that risk. Some people watching this will say,

he must have done things in prison to deserve him being kept there this

long, that this 11 years has to be for reason,

it has to be his fault. I can't stress enough

how untrue that is. A mattress fire, you know, a piece

of paper has been set on fire, James has chucked his bed

about around his cell a little bit. This does not, I can't stress

enough, he's not dangerous, he has never been violent in the 11

years in prison. The officers said that they never

feel unsafe around James. James' parole hearings have

been delayed repeatedly because the prison service has

failed to carry out vital His upcoming hearing in September

is more than a year behind schedule. I dread getting up in the morning

because I don't know what is going to be coming

that they, what is going to happen. Is there going to be

a knock on the door, is there going to be a phone

call or whatever? Took his own life and that is

what I believe he will do. If we can't get him out, I think

that's what it's going to be. This is the first visit

by James' family since James feels so unsafe on the main

wing here at Garth Prison that he deliberately behaves badly

to get himself to put The Chief Inspector of Prisons

wrote a damning report It was called very unsafe

and the segregation unit was said to be fellow

prisoners seeking sanctuary. The living conditions were very poor

and the staff overwhelmed. He is not sleeping,

he has lost weight... Pippa Carruthers has

been representing James She says key paperwork

is still missing. So the parole board is meant to meet

on the 6th of September, how optimistic are you that the board

is actually going to be able to make a decision

about what to do with James? We are now less than a month away

from the hearing where potentially the parole board will still not

have the information it needs in order to make

a thorough realistic decision about whether James can be

managed in the community. A further knock back,

particularly in circumstances where I will have to explain to him

that some of the reasons are because of things that haven't

been available or done thoroughly enough or made available

to the parole board will be extremely difficult for him

to understand and to take. James' family may have got used

to hearing about his self harming, but they are unprepared for just how

ill he looked on the visit. We've got in there, James looked

absolutely terrible. His skin's yellow, he has

lost so much weight. And they are just

leaving him there to rot. This is not just about mental

illness, he cannot cope in there. He was on a wing, he thought

he was doing OK, they found out he was a IPP prisoner and that makes

them vulnerable and then they want him to do silly things

and if he doesn't cooperate So he's had separate himself

against which means causing problems, causing trouble

so obviously that looks bad for the fact that he has

to misbehaves to get himself in the block, to protect himself,

and then because he is on constant watch because of the self harm,

he's literally sat behind a cage like an animal where they walk past

and point and laugh at him. Let's talk now to James

Ward's sister April - Lisa Ullah, who's brother -

also called James is on an IPP. He was given a 4 year

sentence for robbery, Mark Day is from the

Prison Reform Trust and John Podmore's

a former prison governor As we saw in the film there,

James is in a really bad place You feel he is in a vicious cycle.

Definitely. He's lost all hope. He's got nothing left. He's drained, he

can't take any more. The hardest thing to accept is that James is

doing nothing wrong. He's not got a mental illness to put him in

hospital, but he's self harming and they say he's got a personality

disorder. Nobody seems to want to help James reform and get better. Is

he getting any treatment? No. He guessed tablets for ADHD but apart

from that he gets no help. He's in segregation because he says he

doesn't feel safe on the wing. He gets bullied. The prisoners don't

lift you up, they target the fact you are suffering and that is very

disturbing. Has he had a formal assessment of his mental state? No,

we are still waiting for the assessment. That is why parole has

been put back. Not only do psychiatric assessment, the

probation officer hasn't done any reports or care plans. They've known

for nearly three years that his parole was coming up, it's a year

over tariff so he should have had the parole a year ago. It's been

knocked back after knock-back, there's only so many times you can

play with a man's freedom. He can't cope there. Because he's not fully

mentally unwell he can't be hospitalised but he's at the point

where he can't cope with prison life and he's self harming because of

having no hope. He's fallen through the net and how should that be

allowed, that James is left to rot in prison because he doesn't fit a

category? This is a man's lies, they should be doing something for him.

And if they don't want to, give him back to his family and let us deal

with James and his problems. I'm no specialist but surely the fact that

James is getting these anxieties and problems because of prison life. I

hear what you are saying about the fact he wants to be out of the, he

wants to be put into isolation to get out of where he is so he behaves

in a way that gets him put in there. From the perspective of the prison

authorities, if he is behaving like that and he's on one of these orders

that is about public protection... They are minimal crimes. James is

getting three years for doing minimal crime spot parole officers

need to understand the environment he's living in. He's never been

violent, the prison officers have never felt unsafe around him. He's

not a risk to the public. What does he do to get sent there?

He basically throws things around his cell and that is against the

rules and he is put in segregation, and he remains there even when he is

allowed to be out, he keeps himself down there because he can't cope in

the hostile environment that it is in prison. Your brother James is

also in on an indeterminate term. He was sentenced to a four-year IPP in

2006 and he still remains now. 12 years in April, he was alongside

other co-defendants and one of those got four years and did two years and

one of them got five years and did two and a half years and another one

got out early release ten months down the line and the last one got a

12 month supervision. Why did he get the sentence he got? He is not an

angel, he had a troubled upbringing, and I'm not saying what he did was

right, he should be punished but the crime should reflect the punishment.

He's not a murderer or a rapist or a paedophile, he has not done anything

severe to be in this position. But these people are being released

before an IPP prisoner. He is not a dog. He is a family member, my

brother, someone cares about him. He is not just there to be forgotten

about. They are pushed further and further in the system and they are

left to rot. And that is where the mental health issues become a

problem. Neither of you say that they should not have been punished.

James Coppinger IPP for ten months for setting fire to a mattress and

that happens daily in prison stash James got an Heather Heyer.

They need support, they are not animals. The same with his parole,

it is not his behaviour holding him back, but the authority don't have

the care plans in place for him to be released, he needs the care plans

and the psychiatric report in place for him to be released. These were

introduced because of public protection and he did plead guilty

to a crime of STUDIO: Involving knives? -- a crime involving knives?

I don't think where knives has come from, I don't know anything about

that. The way you get put down the block, setting fire to the

mattresses and pieces of paper, James did that, he was then released

from the ABH and was given the IPP for the mattress fire, and the only

thing that has occurred is for him being bullied, he can't cope and he

sets fire to pieces of paper and he messes up the cell Annie refuses to

come out of the cell. -- and he refuses. There are many people in

prison on these. They were meant to affect a small number of people but

have gone on to affect thousands of people. How come they have been used

so widely? When they were introduced in 2005 there was no proper planning

to resource the sentence and predict how many people would end up coming

under it. What was planned for about 900 people, turned into several

thousand inmates and what this meant was that there wasn't the offending

behaviour programmes available in prisons. And also the parole board

wasn't equipped to deal with this number of indeterminate sentences.

How can you tell if someone is a threat to the public, in terms of

sentencing? This is part of the problem, when the sentence was

created it could be imposed on a very long list of offences either

violent or sexual offences. What about this one here? James set fire

to a mattress in a prison cell. Arson is one of these offences which

can come under the remit of the IPP. There was a large range of offences

which it could cover and also there was a mandatory element where the

judge had to impose it if it had been a second offence which had been

committed. All these elements came together to mean that a large number

of people received the IPP far greater than had been predicted and

the parole board faced rate difficulties trying to resource this

-- great difficulties. A number of changes to legal judgments which

further placed pressure on the caseload and it meant we had longer

parole board delays and it results in the situation we have today where

despite the sentence being abolished in 2012, we still have over 3000

people in prison serving the IPP. John, you are a former prison

governor, what of these IPPs? They are a disgrace, Ken Clarke said they

are a stain on the criminal justice system and they remain so. Important

point, this is the only sentence of its kind that is sentencing people

to incarceration is not for what they have done, but for what they

might do. The onus has been put on someone to prove they are innocent

and that is wholly inappropriate. How do you prove when you are locked

up 23 hours a day and in some cases in segregation, how do you prove

that you are safe. The prison system should not be doing harm and with

this sentence it clearly is, from the examples you are showing. Is it

justified that anyone who is still in prison on one of these, bearing

in mind they were scrapped from any future prisoners? They have been

abolished and Nick Hardwick has given sensible proposals on how

these people might be released. Certainly reversing the test whereby

the prisoner proving that he or she is safe to be released, the onus

should be on the state and that should be on the prison service.

When David Blunkett brought these sentences in, he was relying on

amongst many things offending behaviour courses and they are still

around as being the universal panacea. You have spoken about the

litmus test in terms of whether people are safe to be released, but

as we have seen with sex offender courses, it can be unproven and it

can make things worse and many of them are not suitable for many

people, especially those who have got learning difficulties and mental

health problems. Given that the sentence has been abolished, Ken

Clarke said it is a stain on the criminal justice system, it is down

to the Secretary of State for Justice to show political courage

and do something about this. It is within his gift. Reference has been

made to Michael Gove, he was in the process of making some of these

political decisions but then he was sacked. We have had one minister

after another. And we hear nothing at the moment, and it is about time

that we did. Thank you all very much. We asked the Justice Secretary

and the Parliamentary Undersecretary for prisons and probation to come on

the programme. They said in a statement they are determined to

address the challenge. Here's Rachel in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. The US Vice President, Mike Pence,

has condemned far-right groups in response to the violence over

the weekend in Virginia. A woman was killed and 19

people were injured when a car was driven into a crowd

protesting against a far-right rally Demonstrations and vigils

have been held in cities The chairman of the Parole Board,

Nick Hardwick says ministers "must act now" to address the backlog

of prisoners serving The sentence - known as Imprisonment

for Public Protection - was abolished in 2012 but more

than 3,000 people in England and Wales are still being held

with no release date. The Ministry of Justice says it's

working to process these cases Arrests of passengers suspected

of being drunk at UK airports and on flights have risen by 50%

in the past year, according to an investigation

carried out by Panorama. Critics of the airline industry say

a voluntary code on alcohol sales isn't working,

and want the government A spokesman for the Home Office said

they will respond in due course. A man has been charged

with the murder of a grandfather who was attacked as he walked his

dogs in Norfolk. The body of 83-year-old

Peter Wrighton was found in woodland near the village

of East Harling last Saturday. Police say he had been

repeatedly stabbed. Alexander Palmer, who's 23,

is due in court later today. South Korea's President has urged

both the US and North Korea to act reasonably and peacefully

in the current nuclear stand off. Moon Jae-in said, "There

must be no more war His comments come after a week of

ratcheting up of tensions by the US His comments come as China tightened

sanctions on North Korea - banning several key industrial

imports from the country. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10am. The Charity Commission has

issued its first-ever "official warning" to a charity over the way

it spends its money. The National Hereditary Breast

Cancer Helpline has been spending as little as 3%

of the money you give it on raising awareness

and the helpline that it runs. The rest goes on things

like management costs and overheads. The trustee who set up the charity

has also paid herself ?31,000, The Charity Commission

is a government body which registers There are more than 167,000

individual charities in England and Wales,

raising around ?73 billion a year. Let's speak to the BBC Radio

Manchester's Kate West, who first Kate, tell us about this

breast cancer helpline. The helpline was set up in the 90s

by a campaign called Wendy Watson, the first woman in the UK to have a

the first woman in the UK to have a pre-emptive double must -- Max

She started a helpline after becoming the first woman

in the UK to have a pre-emptive double mastectomy, like the one

The surgery reduces your chances of getting breast cancer.

The phone line is aimed at men and women who have a faulty gene

that makes them more likely to develop breast cancer.

In 2012 she started a charity to raise money for her helpline

and was later awarded an MBE for her work.

So why has this charity been given this official warning?

The Charity Commission got involved after noticing

that the charity behind the helpline was in financial difficulty.

When you go through their accounts, like I've done, the amounts spent

year on year are as little as 6%, 3.4% and just 2.8% of its donations

The average charity spends 83%, so in comparison,

When the charity commission first investigated the helpline

they found they were poorly managing their finances

and discovered that Watson had been paying herself from the charity

And then when the commission went back a few months later,

the finances were still out of control and even though Wendy had

resigned as a trustee, she was still being paid.

So that's why this charity has become the first to ever get

What has the charity said about the investigation? We asked them for a

statement and we have received a statement from the lawyers

representing Wendy Watson and the charity. They said the payments made

to her were in error and it said she also worked full-time for the

charity as a volunteer since 2012 and they did not realise the

payments were inappropriate, but when they realised, she resigned.

They also said although she was played for three months at the end

of last year, she has otherwise work full-time on a voluntary basis.

Thanks for joining us. Let's talk now to Michelle Russell

from the Charity Commission It's not unusual that charities get

into financial distress. That's why we took the action that we did. We

had a look at the accounts and saw the warning signs. That's why we

tried to help early on by going to visit the charity and setting them

an action plan. What did the charity do wrong, in your eyes? There are a

number of things that went wrong, and it's not unusual for charities

to make mistakes. I run by volunteers doing their best for the

benefit of others. But actually there are a number of issues that we

saw. Their business plan didn't work, they weren't making any money

from their charity shops, they had got into a model with their

finances, the loans from trustees were there, and they were paying

money effectively to themselves, signing off their own expenditure.

There were a number of issues where they got into a bit of a mess and

needed help. Why can't you be paid as a trustee? If you think about

charity and why we trust the public trust charities, it is based on the

premise of volunteering and helping others. Also, in the role of a

trustee, whose job it is to scrutinise what's going on by the

employees, if you are paid as an employee that makes your job very

difficult. That's why there are rules in place that say you

shouldn't get paid as a trustee or be a paid employee and a trustee,

without special permission. This charity didn't do it, and after we

warned them that they needed to sort it out, they still didn't take the

steps they needed to. That's why we took the action of giving them an

official warning. What legal powers do you have, if you feel charities

aren't carrying out their work in the way they should be? We've got a

range of powers. Our role is to support charities by guidance and

advice at one end. At the other end of things, we can launch an

investigation and take quite serious powers. What we are talking about in

this case is firm but fair action in the middle of that. So we aren't up

at that quite invasive and web we passed giving guidance and advice.

This is a warning that you need to sort out your house. And it's the

first time you've ever given an official warning, tell us more about

what that does mean. This is a new power that we went to Parliament to

and asked for. We could see the gap between the lower end of support and

the upper end of intervention. It is a power where we can warn the

charity and the trustees that there has been some breaches and they need

to act to take action to stop it going forward. It's for a limited

period of time, and our support is still there for them while they've

got this warning. It should be reassurance to the public that the

regulator is there, watching what's going on, and it won't walk away.

Said the charity is still running itself, what's time frame forward?

We set its deadlines for us going back to make sure those things were

wrong or they've made mistakes on were sorted out. We're really

pleased some new trustees stepped forward and taking up the mantle, to

use their heads to scrutinise what's going on. We don't want to lose the

passion and enthusiasm that people have in volunteering for charities,

particularly because sometimes it's for a cause close to their heart. We

don't want to lose that, but we definitely need trustees who carry

out a rewarding but responsible job. Thank you.

Just to re-iterate what The National Hereditary Breast

Cancer Helpline told us - they say Wendy Watson paying

Her solicitors told the BBC she worked full time for the charity

from August 2012 until now and that she was paid

for her work for one year while she was also a trustee.

They say neither Ms Watson or the charity were aware that this

was inappropriate and Ms Watson immediately resigned as a trustee.

And they say it's a well-used helpline.

Next this morning - protests and vigils in support

of Charlottesville have been held in many US cities.

In Seattle on Sunday, police made arrests,

deployed pepper spray and confiscated weapons

as anti-fascist protesters approached a pro-Trump rally.

Meanwhile President Trump has been facing criticism from both

Republicans and Democrats for his response to the violence

in Charlottesville which saw a woman killed and 19 others injured.

The White House has said that the President did condemn

violence by right-wing groups, when he criticised everyone involved

Here's a look back at how events unfolded in Charlottesville

which led to clashes resulting in three deaths.

Go home. You are not wanted in this great Commonwealth. Shame on you.

Overnight, the US Vice President Mike Pence has condemned

what he describes as white supremacists "in the

We have no tolerance for hate and violence

from white supremacists, neo-Nazis and the KKK.

These dangerous fringe groups have no place in American public life

and the American public debate and we condemn them

Marissa Blair, a friend of heather hair who was killed when a car was

driven into a crowd has been speaking to our correspondent. She

understood as a white woman the privilege that she may have had and

she felt sorry for it. She was sorry that we had to go, minorities have

to go through what they go through, and that's why she was out here. I

was with her. We came with her, me and my fiance and another friend, we

met at a parking barrage and we parked our cars. We were together

all day long. When it happened, Heather was standing right in front

of me. What did you see? We were marching and... There was a

commotion at the front of the crowd. We thought, there was a commotion

and someone was scuffling. You look up and use the bodies flying. It's a

split-second decision and all you can think is to move, but it's

coming so fast. All I could feel was someone pushing me. Then it was

chaos. It was chaos, and the only thing I could think of was checking

I didn't have any broken bones. I got up and started looking for

markers. I new Courtney was OK. I found Marcus. Then we started

looking for Heather. We never found Heather. 32 year Heather Heyer was

in Charlottesville and Virginia when a car was driven into the crowd.

Next Monday at noon, the famous bongs of Big Ben

will sound for the final time until 2021, as the clock tower falls

silent to undergo major renovation work which will safeguard it

Members of the public have been invited to gather

in Parliament Square at midday on Monday the 21st of August

to mark the final sounding of the famous bell until 2021.

We can go now to our correspondent Leila Nathoo who is on the roof

This is a fantastic view from up on the Parliamentary roof terrace. I

have to say it will be a very strange thing not to have those

familiar and reassuring bonds every hour. It will feel very strange

indeed. The bell of Big Ben is going to be silent about these renovations

to take place. Its renovations on the clock as well as the tower

itself. There will be strikes for New Year's Eve and Remembrance Day.

Just tell us a bit about what is wrong with the clock and why it

needs such work. Its 160 years old. It needs maintenance. It's a regular

maintenance and we're going to be looking at a view things we have

spotted that are starting to wear. Gears and the pendulum is one of our

major concerns. Is the clock going to stop working? It will. We won't

stop the clock until January this year, just the bells are stopping

next Monday. We will still drive at least one of the dials so there will

be a dialogue with the ball. So people will still be able to set

their watches by Big Ben? Yes. This is part of wider work that is taking

place on the tower itself. The bells are being silenced first to protect

the workers. That's correct. As the scaffolding goes up, the bells will

be silenced. Give us an idea of what needs to be done, why is it so

important the renovation is carried out? It needs maintenance and we're

going to start at the top with the reefs which leak. Then we'll work

our way down. There's various problems with stonework, the bell

frame, condensation inside. We'll also provide new amenities for the

clock makers. We'll install AWC and kitchen up there. We are also going

to put in a lift. There are several shafts that go up and a shaft at the

back into which we can fit a lift which will help us to get emergency

evacuation and people up there quicker. Thank you. These

renovations will start soon after the bells stop. The scaffolding has

already reached a certain height. The tower in the clock will be

almost entirely obscured in the weeks to come. As you said, people

are being asked to come to Parliament Square next Monday at

noon to mark the final bell's tolling at midday. We've had some

e-mails on IPPs, those prison sentences that mean people are still

in jail sometime after the sentence was served. "We Sat watching your

programme about James who is still in prison, he is obviously being

abused in prison and is seriously unwell. It's a disgrace he hasn't

been helped and is left to rot. It's like watching a prison horror movie,

get in the help he needs. This is the first time we've ever e-mailed a

TV programme, we feel so frustrated about this investigation".

Let's get the latest weather update with Carol.

Good morning. We've had a variety of weather across the British Isles.

Our Weather Watchers have sent us in some beautiful pictures. This is

from Northern Ireland, it was wet overnight there. This one is from

South Lanarkshire. Quite a murky start of the day with some rain. As

we push into Norfolk, brighter start to the day. Some bits of blue sky

coming through there. We had some heavy rain around, courtesy of this

array of weather fronts, moving from west to east and drifting across the

north-east as well, introducing that rain. On the radar you'll be able to

see how much rain we've had as we've gone through the morning. Heavy rain

in Northern Ireland and western Scotland, and we've had posters of

heavy rain across parts of England and Wales. The whole lot moving

eastwards, continuing to fragment. The further east you are, the

brighter the skies. Just ahead of the weather front you'll notice the

cloud building. Right behind the weather front more cloud around and

also some coastal drizzle and drizzle on the hills as well. A new

line of rain coming up. We could hit 25 degrees in parts of East Anglia

and Kent. Here is the rain coming up across the Channel Islands, pouring

up through central southern England. Patchy rain across south-west

England and Wales. The northern England again some bright spells

with showers moving towards the east. For Northern Ireland a mixture

of bright spells, sunshine and showers. Some of them heavy and

boundary. For Scotland the band of rain moving north-east, fragmenting.

We should see highs of 20 degrees here. Down east coast, there will be

spots of rain here and there. For many of us it will be dry. Through

the evening and overnight, another band of rain moving in from the

south-west. Some of this could be heavy and possibly thundery as well.

In its wake there will be a lot of cloud and showers. It's not going to

be a cold night, tomorrow morning we could see some thunderstorms coming

out of the rain in the south-east. That leaves the way, as does the

rain across north-east England and eastern Scotland, leaving sunshine

and showers. Some of the shovels will be heavy, especially in the

north. We could see that combination further south as well. Many of us

will miss them all together and see some sunshine. Temperatures tomorrow

could hit 26 in East Anglia and the south-east.

Hello it's Monday, it's 10am, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria.

Drugged, kidnapped and told she would be auctioned

We talk to the agent of model Chloe Ayling,

who says she was abducted in Milan and held for six days.

Urgent action is called for to free thousands of prisoners

who are still inside serving indeterminate "Public

Protection" sentences, years after they were abolished.

The families of these prisoners have told this programme

they fear for the safety of their relatives still inside.

He's literally lost all hope - he's got nothing left -

physically and emotionally he's drained.

And 70 years ago 200 years of British colonial rule in India

came to an end when the country was partitioned into

Pakistan and India - hundreds of thousands of people

were killed as violence erupted on both sides.

Here's Rachel in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

The US Vice President, Mike Pence, has condemned far-right groups

in response to the violence over the weekend in Virginia.

A woman was killed and 19 people were injured

when a car was driven into a crowd protesting against a far-right rally

Demonstrations and vigils have been held in cities

The chairman of the Parole Board Nick Hardwick says ministers "must

act now" to address the backlog of prisoners serving

The sentence - known as Imprisonment for Public Protection -

was abolished in 2012 but more than 3,000 people in England

and Wales are still being held with no release date.

The Ministry of Justice says it's working to process these cases

Arrests of passengers suspected of being drunk at UK airports

and on flights have risen by 50% in the past year, according

to an investigation carried out by Panorama.

Critics of the airline industry say a voluntary code on alcohol

sales isn't working, and want the government

A spokesman for the Home Office said they will respond in due course.

A man has been charged with the murder of a grandfather

who was attacked as he walked his dogs in Norfolk.

The body of 83-year-old Peter Wrighton was found

in woodland near the village of East Harling last Saturday.

Police say he had been repeatedly stabbed.

Alexander Palmer, who's 23, is due in court later today.

Security forces in Burkina Faso have killed two suspected jihadist gunmen

after a terrorist attack in the capital.

The country's communications minister says

a number of hostages were trapped inside a restaurant after gunmen

At least 18 people are believed to have been killed

in the attack and another 8 were wounded.

South Korea's President has urged both the US and North Korea to act

reasonably and peacefully in the current nuclear stand off.

Moon Jae-in said, "There must be no more war

His comments come after a week of ratcheting up of tensions by the US

China has tightened sanctions on North Korea -

banning several key industrial imports from the country.

And it is arguably one of the most distinctive sounds in the world.

However, next Monday at midday Big Ben

will chime for the final time until 2021 to allow repair work

to take place on the clock in Elizabeth Tower.

The bells will still ring out on Remembrance Sunday

and at New Year but will otherwise fall silent for only

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Britain won five medals in just over 24 hours to meet their medal target

at the World Athletics Championships.

Thanks mainly to four out of four in the relays.

The women's 4 by 400 metres won a silver medal on the final night

The seventh medal in seven championships in this event.

With the men's quartet adding a bronze a few minutes later.

Prior to the weekend the team had only picked up one medal.

Coming back after the Olympic Games it is hard to follow that, but I

think the team did so well, if you look across the board, the top eight

finishes and so Moli people finishing in fourth and we hit the

medal target last night -- so many people. There will be many people

here featuring on the podium in Tokyo in 2020.

Manchester United's new striker got their new Premier League season

Romelu Lukaku scored twice on his home debut to give his team

a 4-0 win over West Ham at Old Trafford.

The 75 million signing scored one in each half.

Paul Pogba then rounded off the victory to put

United top after the first round of fixtures.

Elsewhere Spurs also won their opening game.

Meanwhile the world's most expensive player also made

Neymar cost Paris Saint Germain ?200 million and scored

in their 3-0l league win over Guingamp.

He also set up one of the other goals.

Cristiano Ronaldo helped Real Madrid to beat Barcelona in the first leg

But that wasn't the half of it at Camp Nou.

It cost him a yellow card for removing his shirt.

Then later he was booked again for diving.

And it might not be the end of the trouble either as Ronaldo

pushed the referee in the back before leaving the pitch.

Justin Thomas has become the eighth first time winner in the last nine

golf majors after his victory at the US PGA Championship

At one point in the final round five players had a share

of the lead but Thomas sunk this one from 40 feet to establish a two shot

The American hit six birdies in his 68 on Sunday.

And he'll move up to sixth in the world rankings.

This tournament has a special place in my heart, and I want to win every

tournament, but this is really cool for me, to be my first one, to have

my dad here, and my grandfather was watching at home, I was able to talk

to him and that was pretty core macro. I know what you are thinking,

that trophy is absolutely massive -- that was pretty cool. Thanks for

joining us. Prime Minister Theresa May returns

to work after her walking holiday this week, just as two leading

cabinet ministers have declared the UK will need a transition

period to help businesses Liam Fox, the international trade

secretary, and Philip Hammond, the chancellor, made the declaration

in a joint article for the Sunday Telegraph intended

to quash speculation that the cabinet is divided over

how to implement Brexit and what will happen

during the transitional period. The Prime Minister's summer holiday

has been plagued by Tory rows over Over the next ten days,

ministers will also publish papers on Britain's Brexit plans covering

the Irish border, the customs union, But does this joint article show

a genuine platform for progress? Joining us now, Owen Jones,

a columnist for The Guardian who believes there is no unity

within the Conservative Party. And Jo-Anne Nadler,

a political journalist and communications consultant,

who worked as a senior Conservative press officer

during the John Major years. She thinks this was the right

moment for Liam Fox What we are hearing from them is

that there will be no staying in the customs union but there will be a

transition period, is this a position that the party can get

behind? I think so, they have got to get hide it. To a certain extent

this is a PR move -- they have got to get behind it. We have heard so

many noises off and so much squabbling that it has obscured the

essential direction of travel towards leaving the single market

and the customs union, it has been very important that these ministers

who represent different sides of the argument come together at this

point, partly to reassure their own party and also the country and

business essentially, that they will work together to this end. What do

you think? Is this a position that Labour can get around? No sooner had

the article being published in the Daily Telegraph, a Tory minister

said the pact wouldn't last and that Philip Hammond had contempt for lame

Fox, the Tory party is riven with division -- Liam Fox. David Davis

called Boris Johnson a failure and there were Tory MPs threatening to

kick each other in various pieces of anatomy. Philip Hammond repeatedly

briefed against. Anna Super -- Soubry now talking about leaving the

party. It is easy for my position, someone who supports the Labour

Party and it is for me to have a partisan enjoyment in the Tories

ripping themselves to shreds, but Chris Patten said the disastrous

decisions have left the country in a terrible mess and already because we

have the referendum to Sage the internal divisions of the Tory

party, and we have the snap general election to destroy the Labour

Party, but these internal divisions within the Conservative Party have

left this country a laughing stock in Europe and that is my fear, that

we don't have a united government, we have a Prime Minister without

authority and Brexit negotiations have not even begun. What you think

about Soubry saying she is thinking about joining another party? That is

not that surprising, there are some people in the Conservative Party who

are passionately in favour of Remain and they can argue their case as

they wish, but they do not represent a minority within the Conservative

Party and they don't represent the majority in the party. The majority

voted to leave the European Union, and an essential part of that is to

leave the single market and the customs union, so that Britain can

be more competitive and forge a more successful economic future for

itself but also a more successful economy than we are seeing in Europe

and that is the point. It would be difficult for MPs to force a

position where the government doesn't come out completely when

there are enough numbers of MPs who want a position where we stay in the

single market and the customs union? What has happened, because of the

squabbling, and some of this is over important points of policy, and some

of it is personal, as Owen indicated, but we have got

distracted from what the government needs to do which is make the case

again, and Remainers have been effective arguing their case since

the result, almost putting down the result but rich a million more

people voted for. -- at which. We haven't on the Leave side being

clear about the advantage and we haven't been clear about the fact

that this can be a great thing for Britain. Our correspondent is

joining us from Westminster, is the joint positioning going to put a lid

on everything? Is this a sign of a new unity? For now, yes, this is

seen as a attempt to show unity because there has been so much

speculation and squabbling while Theresa May has been on holiday, and

this is an attempt to bring together the two sides of the Cabinet, Liam

Fox, in favour Brexit, and Philip Hammond who is in favour of a soft

approach for the both of them have said that the government does not

want a cliff edge when we leave the EU in 2019 and they spoke about the

agreement and the need for a transitional deal but they have said

it must be time limited. As to whether it will end the speculation,

I think they will be some bubbling around for while but this is a

moment of unity ahead of Theresa May returning from holiday this week.

She has been enjoying three weeks in Italy. She is coming back sometime

this week. Thank you. David Miliband has been speaking this weekend. He

has said there must be a vote on a Brexit deal to allow the country to

potentially reject Brexit and stay in the EU, but the Labour position

is all over the place as well. The position of Labour is that they have

got to find a way of clearing up the mess caused by the Conservative

Party, there was a decision by David Cameron to have a referendum and

they waged a disastrous campaign and they lost and now the country is in

a mess. We are where we are, though. Yes, I campaigned for Remain but we

lost the referendum and now it is about what kind of Brexit we have,

and my fear is if you start saying at this stage that Brexit needs to

be overturned, then people who voted Leave will regard this as

contemptuous of their democratic position and many people who voted

Remain accept the decision and want to find the best possible way, but

my fear regarding David Miliband, I think it is up for grabs as to

whether we stay in the single market, I would prefer that, even

though there are problems because the danger is we end up with the

worst of both worlds where we have do accept EU laws but we can't

contribute to them, but if we crashed out of the customs union the

economic damage could be considerable and hurt a lot of

people. A lot of people said this on Twitter all the time, it was only

advisory, the referendum, but that would cause uproar, however, to call

for a second referendum at this point, before there has been a big

backlash, I think many people will find that contemptuous of their

democratic decision and it means those of us who want to soft Brexit

will walk off the pitch and leave the hard Brexit motion to decide

what kind of Brexit we have -- the hard Brexit throw.

David Davis has said that the MPs are there to exercise judgment --

David Miliband. He has said let's have another

election now, because we didn't do too well to three months ago, it's

like that. The decision was taken. The real question now is what other

policies that are going to underpin the way we carry out Brexit. On that

point, I think we can agree. There's been an awful lot of destruction

because of, sometimes personality clashes but sometimes genuine issues

over policy differences in the Conservative Party. What happened

this week is these two ministers have come together to say we need to

pull together and give Theresa May her head. She's coming back this

week, she's going to make a big policy statement, we are going to

look at various of Brexit, like how we will manage outside the customs

union, what's going to happen with the border inside Ireland for

instance. Those kind of policies, they need to be scrutinised. The

danger with the Tory Brexit is not only are we going to crash out of

the single market, but we may end up with no deal whatsoever. That's not

a Tory Brexit. Your party are going to have to own this, I can assure

you. We'll end up with tariffs imposed on our goods which will

cause potentially enormous damage to the British economy. Wages are

already falling in this country all over again. The danger is that with

that sort of Brexit, it will hit the living standards of those who voted

to leave incidentally and jobs. We've got this compromise position

outlined this weekend, in spite of all the divisions you are talking

about, is it something MPs could unite around? Frankly there is a lot

of detail that could be delineated and hasn't yet been so. As a

statement of we need to pull together, it is significant in that

regard. That doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to scrutinise the

detail within that. How long will this transition period B and what's

at the end of the transition period? We haven't yet heard what the vision

is for the end of the transition period. The Tory infighting has

become before the difficulties of the negotiations have got underway.

That is why the Telegraph have been briefed that this pact isn't going

to last. I do think the Telegraph just invented it, give them some

respect. The truth is, Philip Hammond, David Davis, Liam Fox,

Theresa May, they are all fundamentally in quite different

places. Philip Hammond earlier in the summer was arguing for a soft

Brexit and to have... I don't think fundamentally that has happened and

when Brexit negotiations happen and we start suffering genuine economic

problems and turmoil and turbulence, and our position in Europe which is

weak... Like vast swathes of the continent. The reason a lot of

people voted to leave... EU diplomats regard our country as a

bit of a laughing stock at the moment. Great to have you in, thank

you. Across the UK, arrests of airline

passengers suspected of being drunk have risen by 50% in the last year.

Those in the industry are calling on the government to do more.

The Metropolitan Police are giving head mounted cameras

The cameras are being issued to all Armed Response Units to wear

on their baseball caps and ballistic helmets.

The Met's already rolled out over 17,000 bodycams

to officers across the force, but there have been issues finding

an operationally suitable camera for firearms officers.

It's hoped the presence of cameras will help address concerns over

the transparency of operations involving armed officers,

such as the shootings of Mark Duggan and Jermaine Baker.

Martin Harding is a former superintendent and firearms officer

with Greater Manchester Police. Nick Howe, a former firearms

commander and now a criminologist This reinforces the commitment of

the police service. As a largely an armed police service, we do police

with the consensus of the community and we must do everything we can to

retain that consent. What is your perspective? I think Martin's view

is spot on. It's all about transparency and I think police

officers have got far more to gain and benefit from the transparency of

evidence recorded by video cameras. Why do you think it's taken so long?

We talked about technical issues but there are other operational

considerations to take into account. First of all, why has it taken so

long. It's only in the last 8-9 years in small pilots that body

cameras have been used as a credible form of evidence gathering. It was

only as far ago as 2014 that the Met started to roll it out more fully

based upon the trials elsewhere in the country. It is still relatively

recent technology. In terms firearms officers, the difficulty was the

technology was generally worn on the upper chest and shoulder area. When

firearms officers bring their firearms up to the ready, that was

masking some of the imagery and the quality of what they could record at

the time. As technology has moved on, it's more by stealth than

revolution. These developments are incremental. They have experimented

with head worn cameras which gives a far better panoramic view of what

they are dealing with at the time. Martin, there is research from

Cambridge University that shows officers who are wearing body

cameras get 93% fewer complaints from the public. Would you expect it

to be a similar result when the head cameras come in? When you're talking

about firearms officers it something entirely different. The operational

officers have got 93% ratings from the public. In the last year there

were 16,000 deployments of armed officers to incidents, in those

deployments firearms were only discharged ten times. I think

firearms officers by and large have the confidence and support of the

public. They are very well trained in what they do. How will they feel

about having them? I think there has got to be a confidence issue with

firearms officers themselves. Of all they are volunteers to carry out

that role. Now they are placing themselves in a position where they

are making decisions in split seconds. Those decisions can now be

replayed over and over and over again in a court of law. So they

need the confidence that the equipment will truly portray what

took place and support their decision-making. It is possible that

sometimes people might make wrong decisions but if you look at the

numbers of times officers have discharged weapons, I've got

confidence they do the right things. Where would the risk be in the

footage not giving a clear image of what happened? The risk is that they

have a split second to make a decision. At the time they make that

decision, there is noise, there's confusion, there's testosterone,

there is fear. They see an incident that only they might see from their

position. Bear in mind there are numerous officers attending a scene.

Numerous angles to view a situation. They might see something their

colleagues haven't seen. When they take that decision to shoot, and

it's a decision which remains purely there is, they need to be sure that

when it goes to court, or they need the confidence that when it goes to

court, if that decision isn't supported by the evidence, the

implications are absolutely horrendous in terms of loss of

liberty, loss of career, loss of life. The implications pulling the

trigger massive. All the actions and decision-making will be captured on

camera. Nick, how much pressure is put on firearms officers who, as you

say, volunteered to be armed, how much pressure is on them when they

think about the scrutiny and having to replay an event that has to

happen in a split second? I think they do but they've also got to have

faith and confidence in the training that they get over a period of time.

It's a graduated process before they actually get to the front line in

these situations. I've got a great deal of confidence in the training

and support they get within the firearms community and the broader

police community. Going back to one of your earlier question is,

speaking to officers in recent times regarding this development, I think

the concern isn't so much upon the added pressure or the transparency

of evidence as it may come out on the day, but there is an underlying

fear that potentially the capturing by video of police tactics somehow

will enhance the challenges presented to them by the criminal

community. I actually don't agree with that particular view, but there

is a concern among some officers that may be the visibility of their

tactics may somehow give away their operational advantage. Martin, what

about the perspective of the public? Will this be a reassuring step? I

think so. Every time there is a weapon discharged there are

questions from all parties. From the police service, the IPCC, and the

families are people who have been shot. This will go a long way to

being able to answer those questions. I think in lots of cases,

it will totally vindicate the decision of the officer who made the

decision, and show their decision was right. Going back to the point

earlier that Nick made about tactics given out in court, I think we've

got a long history of being able to give sensitive evidence in court

proceedings. Where tactics might be given out, I'm sure that the court

will allow certain evidence to be heard in secret, so that we get best

evidence, and we get to the truth of what actually took place. Thank you.

Still to come. 70 years ago India was partitioned and ended British

colonial rule. We are talking to families whose lives were affected

and their stories of what it meant and still means for them today.

We will talk to space journalist and author Sarah Cruddas. About the

Cassini space probe. With the news, here's Rachel

in the BBC Newsroom. The US Vice President, Mike Pence,

has condemned far-right groups in response to the violence over

the weekend in Virginia. A woman was killed and 19

people were injured when a car was driven into a crowd

protesting against a far-right rally Demonstrations and vigils

have been held in cities The chairman of the Parole Board,

Nick Hardwick says ministers "must act now" to address the backlog

of prisoners serving The sentence - known as Imprisonment

for Public Protection - was abolished in 2012 but more

than 3,000 people in England and Wales are still being held

with no release date. The Ministry of Justice says it's

working to process these cases Arrests of passengers suspected

of being drunk at UK airports and on flights have risen by 50%

in the past year, according to an investigation

carried out by Panorama. Critics of the airline industry say

a voluntary code on alcohol sales isn't working,

and want the government A spokesman for the Home Office said

they will respond in due course. A man has been charged

with the murder of a grandfather who was attacked as he walked his

dogs in Norfolk. The body of 83-year-old

Peter Wrighton was found in woodland near the village

of East Harling last Saturday. Police say he had been

repeatedly stabbed. Alexander Palmer, who's 23,

is due in court later today. Security forces in Burkina Faso have

killed two suspected jihadist gunmen after a terrorist attack

in the capital. At least eighteen people

are believed to have been killed in the attack and another

8 were wounded. The dead and injured were from

several countries. South Korea's President has urged

both the US and North Korea to act reasonably and peacefully

in the current nuclear stand off. Moon Jae-in said, "There

must be no more war His comments come after a week of

ratcheting up of tensions by the US China has tightened

sanctions on North Korea - banning several key industrial

imports from the country. And - It is arguably one of the most

distinctive sounds in the world. However, next Monday

at midday Big Ben will chime for the final time

until 2021 to allow repair work to take place on the clock

in Elizabeth Tower. The bells will still ring out

on Remembrance Sunday and at New Year but will otherwise

fall silent for only That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. That's a summary of the latest news,

join me for BBC Newsroom Britain won five medals in just over

24 hours to meet their medal target at the World Athletics

Championships. Thanks to four out

of four in the relays. The women's 4 by 400

metres won a silver medal. And the men won a bronze afterwards.

Manchester United are top of the Premier League at a time when it

doesn't really matter, but someone has to be. Romelu Lukaku scoring

twice in the 4-0 victory over West Ham. Tottenham were also victorious

2-0 over Newcastle. Cristiano Ronaldo scored but was sent off and

could be in trouble after seemingly pushing the referee in the Spanish

super cup first leg against Barcelona. And Justin Thomas claimed

the US PGA trophy in America. Arrests of passengers suspected

of being drunk at UK airports and on flights have risen

by 50% in the past year, according to an investigation

carried out by BBC Panorama. Critics of the airline industry say

a voluntary code on alcohol sales isn't working,

and want the government Where in the UK can you buy alcohol

at 4am seven days a week? The answer is at an

international airport. And it seems that it's leaving

passengers and crew with a hangover. An investigation by BBC Panorama has

revealed that arrests of those suspected of being drunk at UK

airports and on flights have risen Half of the 4,000 cabin crew

who took part in a survey carried out by Panorama and Unite,

the union, said they had either experienced or witnessed verbal,

physical, or sexual abuse People just see us as

barmaids in the sky. They would touch your breasts, or

they'd touch your bum or your legs. I mean, I've had hands

going up my skirt before. Phil Ward, the managing director

of low-cost airline, Jet2, has already banned alcohol sales

on flights before 8am, and wants the industry

to take tougher measures. Do you think airports

are doing enough? I think the retailers

could do more as well. Two litre steins of beer in bars,

mixers and miniatures in duty-free shops, which can only be

there for one reason. But the Airport Operators

Association insists that their code I don't accept that the airports

don't sell alcohol responsibly. The sale of alcohol

per se is not a problem. It's the misuse of it and drinking

to excess and then behaving badly. Earlier this year, a House of Lords

committee called for airport licensing to be brought into line

with pubs and bars. A government decision

on whether to call time on early-morning drinking

at airports is now And Panorama investigates

the growing numbers of British passengers flying drunk tonight

at 830pm on BBC One. 70 years ago tonight,

200 years of British colonial rule in India came to an end

and the country was partitioned into two independent nation states:

Hindu-majority India It led to one of the largest mass

migrations ever recorded with an estimated 12 million people

on the move: Muslims journeyed While Hindus and Sikhs headed

in the opposite direction. Communities that had co-existed

for centuries succumbed Hundreds of thousands

were killed, tens of thousands of women abducted -

on all sides. India and Pakistan became

independent at the same moment - at midnight as August 14th 1947 gave

way to August 15th. Pakistan now celebrates

its independence day on August 14th Former cricketer and Pakistani

politician Imran Khan spoke to the BBC's Inzy Rashid -

he says the situation between India and Pakistan

is the "worst it's ever been". Partition was five years

old when I was born so I vividly remember the trauma

of the partition. Trauma suffered by the people

all around us and we grew up with this hatred,

there was this hatred against India. When you were playing cricket

against India, what were the crowds like? The crowds were so passionate

about you beating India and they forced the players to really play...

It almost transcended it, as if it was no longer a cricket game, it was

more than a cricket game when you played India and that was forced by

the crowds. Did it ever get to a point where it turned violent? In

1987 the crowds were hostile. I remember playing a Test match and it

wasn't very pleasant because normally you expect rivalry and

passion in the crowd but you don't expect them to be throwing stones at

fielders standing on the boundary. I remember hostility and that was a

surprise. Looking at the situation right now.

Can you tell the people back in the UK what the situation is?

The current situation is probably the worst it has been

The main reason is because India has a Prime Minister who has not risen

above what his communal thinking, his association with Hindu

extremists, his background where this was this massacre

in Gujarat of Muslims when he was the chief minister.

Somehow we expected that when Narendra Modi would become

the Prime Minister he would rise above this.

But I have to say we are all so disappointed because Narendra Modi

has not just disappointed Pakistanis, he has

If we take the situation that is now then and we translate that

There's British Indians and British Pakistanis

who are probably hearing stories from both sides, how do you think

The British Indian Pakistani society has power because they have

resources, they are rich, they are influential.

They are the ones that should force, especially

someone like Narendra Modi, to move towards peace.

But do you feel there's maybe a lack of education,

a lack of understanding of exactly what the situation

is like, even back to 1947, of how that developed?

In the curriculum, there should be an attempt by the British

authorities to make people understand what exactly

And if they understand that, they will understand the genesis of this

animosity between the countries. 70 years, it is a celebration, and how

much of a special occasion is this? Very special occasion, and you will

see that when you go out on the streets. People come out and

celebrate. There is this desire in the people that they want to

celebrate a Pakistan that it should have been and it hasn't been. Imran

Khan, talking about partition. Many British Asians

have a connection to the partition in some way -

but how has it affected different generations who have lived

through it firsthand, He was educated in Pakistan and says

the way they were taught about partition was very different

to the experiences of his grandparents who were

affected directly by it. Daya Rani Chuhb, who is 88

years-old, joins us from New Delhi She and her husband were forced

to move from their home Also here is Sabeena Akhtar

and her daughter Summayah Muhammad. Summayah recently went to India

to find her great-grandmother's old home that she was forced out

of during the partition. Welcome. You were 18 when the

partition happened, you were engaged, what happened to you and

your fiance? Good morning. When we got engaged... My husband was doing

work in what is now Bangladesh, my parents were there, and there was so

much tension. The whole night we couldn't sleep.

We had men guarding our house to protect us and we were so worried,

any time they could make riot. Normally we celebrate. But we are

afraid. We were so scared. We thought people would come and take

us away from our home and take our things away. We were scared, very

much scared. What was it like living through that? Everything that you

knew, it was turned upside down. Your life was turned upside down,

what was it like? Very upsetting, we did not know where to do and where

to go. One of my elder sisters was there in Bangladesh. Their brothers

came over, left everything behind. You can go back. INAUDIBLE

Only 100-200 people could go. Some were coming and we were so scared.

So we decided to leave our house, family, everything behind, with my

parents and my father stayed back. My father decided to stay in

Pakistan and he gave me the name of and that I would be a Pakistan

citizen. I would have a good job there. Look after my family. He

stayed back. INAUDIBLE How much has this... It has totally

schedule family, how much is it talked about? -- shaped your family.

What I have been through and what our family has been through, it is

like a dream. We still go to the old house and dream of the old house.

Good house. Good job. Good family. But everything was left behind

because we had no chance. I would say that it is a very

intense story for all of us. I do believe that the partition shaped my

parents' lives and their destiny, of course. It also shaped them as human

beings. And the kind of learning that they had during that time, the

kind of traits and characteristics that they were able to imbibe into

their lives in that point in time had a great influence on everything

later on. For instance I was born much, much later after partition,

but the learnings and the teachings that my parents gained from that

time, the way they were able to deal with the situation influenced them,

and it has influenced all of us, me and my siblings as well. You set

your daughter a challenge to go to India and learn about your

grandmother, why did you want to do that and what did you find out? I

thought it was really important to learn about this history. We aren't

taught about it at school. If I wasn't going to teach it to my

daughter, who would? Also, it's important for her personal history

to know where we came from and that we have this story of this amazing

woman and this journey she made. How much have been passed down through

direct conversations? We had snippets of information and we have

this treasure trove of her belongings which are letters and

pictures, from when she got to Pakistan, including the refugee

papers she filled in. We knew bits but nothing like what we discovered.

We had never seen the house she left behind. She left the top production

and came to Lahore in Pakistan. What did you find out in particular, what

affected you when you learned about her? I learned that throughout

history, loads of women's stories are forgotten. I'm really proud to

have uncovered my great-grandmother's story. I think

that if more people tried to learn about partition, and learn about the

refugees that were made in their own country, then maybe they would be

more sympathetic to the refugees coming into Europe today. Were you

surprised to hear all the detail about it? How much had you been

aware of before? I hadn't really been aware of that much, because I

just thought that we had come from Pakistan and lived in Pakistan, but

that wasn't the case. It was really surprising to find out my

great-grandmother's story. Tell us more about her story, what did

happen to her? She was alone in her house when she heard mobs outside.

She decided to flee in the middle of the night. She was alone with about

15 of her children. She had 19 children altogether but some were

born after partition. She got up and she fled. She buried her wedding

jewellery hoping that one day she would return to her house and her

belongings. But she never did. She got on a train journey which we also

took from Rampur. We went to Uttar Pradesh, where she was living in

refugee camps for over a year. It had been a pretty well-to-do family,

hadn't it? It was a huge contrast. My great-grandfather was quite

active in the independence movement. I think you've got some stamps in

your box. These are mementos you've picked up on your journey. This

would have been my great-grandfather. He was part of

the independence movement but sadly died... I mean, he wouldn't have

been pro-partition I don't think. But he died before. She made that

journey alone and they left all of that prestige and the life they were

used to. As I said, they settled in camps in Lahore. Your grandparents

had to move to Pakistan from India, how much were you told growing up

about what happened? How much was passed on directly? I've never met

my grandad but I've heard stories from a grandmother. Today, millions

of people are celebrating it as an independent state, but for me, the

stories which I heard from a grandmother, those horrific stories,

they'll still in my head. What sort of stories? She had to migrate from

India. She was very settled the. My grandfather was serving as an Army

officer. Even though he was asked to help the people who migrated from

India, he still couldn't help his own family. My grandmother, she had

to carry two of her sons, both under the age of five, all the way from

India to Pakistan. All the time she had that fear someone would attack

her. All she could take with her was her jewellery. She had wrapped that

around her body. It was a risky job to carry all your jewellery. Mobs

were all attacking each other. It was a risky business. The stories

that are told subsequently through formal education, you feel quite

strongly that it's not necessarily reflective of what you have been

told that first-hand. A lot of people from my generation,

especially those of the British Asian origin, they aren't very clear

about why partition happened. Basically Pakistan was made around

the notion that religion, which in Pakistan was Islam, was the basis of

nationalism. Which is not the case, the Arabs are divided into 20