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Hello it's Friday 11th August, it's nine o'clock.

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I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme.

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War would be catastrophic - the words of American Defence

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Secretary James Mattis as he insists the US is trying to solve the North

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Korea crisis through diplomacy, but President Trump

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He does something in Guam, it will be an event the likes of which

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nobody 's seen before. The tragedy of war is well enough known, it does

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not need a number characterisation beyond the fact it would be

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catastrophic. We'll be live from Seoul

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with the latest. Also millions of pounds raised for

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the victims of the Grenfell Tower tragedy are not getting to people

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quick enough. People are still trying to rebuild their lives and we

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look at the effect on the children in particular caught up in the

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horror of what happened in June, one youngster told us he lost everything

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dear to him. My Wii Fit Plus, my Wii

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console, everything. What do you miss

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about your old home? You can hear from Tyshondrey

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and his grandmother just after 9am. And as four supermarkets continue to

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remove salads and some juice containing eggs the body which

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represents the British egg industry says there is anger that potentially

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contaminated eggs have been imported from Dutch farms. We will explain

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what the risk is and why this has happened.

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Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

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This weekend sees the legend that is Usain Bolt take part

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in his final competitive race before retiring - he has inspired thousands

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of people and we are talking to one teenager who took up running

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It could be someone from sport or from something else entirely, let us

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know. Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning - Our top story today -

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US Defence Secretary James Mattis says war with North Korea would be

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catastrophic, despite increasingly heated words

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from President Donald Trump. Mr Trump warned that the North

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Korean regime should be "very, very nervous" if they acted

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against the US territory of Guam - but Mr Mattis said the US

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was still focussed on talking. The American effort

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is diplomatically lead, it has diplomatic traction,

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it is claiming diplomatic results. I want to stay right there,

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right now, the tragedy of war is well enough known,

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it doesn't need another characterisation beyond the fact

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that it would be catastrophic. He does something in Guam,

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it will be an event the likes of which nobody's seen before,

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what will happen in North Korea. Our correspondent Robin Brant

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is in Seoul in South Korea. What is this sense there of where

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this is going? Firstly, what a contrast in tone from those men. I

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think people here have lived with the prospect, the potential of the

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conflict with neighbours to the north, the border is 35 miles from

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where I am sitting, for decades. You hear this a lot but life does go on,

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there has been no change in status here. The language coming from

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Donald Trump, some thought he could not go any further than the fire and

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fury but he seemed to do that last night which is unsettling in

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particular for people living here so close to North Korea but I think

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they will be assured by other comments made by the President who

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said he did not think North Korea could go around threatening the

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United States and its allies Japan and South Korea, which reminds

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people of the close military alliance the United States has with

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South Korea, it is crucial for protecting and defending this

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country. If you listen to the words of James Mattis who talked about the

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diplomatic effort to try to de-escalates what's going on, this

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country elected a new president who is more consolatory in his tone and

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who envisages it some point trying to bring the North back around the

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negotiating table. There are some suggestions that perhaps it is time

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for South Korea to arm itself with its own nuclear weapons, is that

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being seriously with that? I think for now, in the immediate timescale,

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South Korea's security depends on its close alliance with the United

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States and the United States effort to maintain a regional alliance with

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Japan, another crucial member, Australia not director under threat,

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Malcolm Turnbull talking about Australia living up to its treaty

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commitments if the United States was attacked. That regional compact is

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crucial for South Korea. South Korea in the past has had the beginnings

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of a nuclear weapons programme, as has Japan, but pressure from the US

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saw those programmes go away. The new president envisages perhaps

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further down the road having negotiations once again with the

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North. That is where he wants to go. Thank you very much. Let's get the

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latest on the rest of today's news. The UK may continue to face

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the threat of Islamist terrorism That's the warning from the former

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head of MI5, Lord Evans. In an interview with the BBC's

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Today Programme, Lord Evans went onto to describe the issue

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as a generational problem and that the UK needed

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to persevere with efforts My guess is that we will still be

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dealing with the long tail I think this is genuinely

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a generational problem. I think that we are going to be

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facing 20 or 30 years of terrorist threats,

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and therefore we need absolutely Police investigating the European

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egg contamination scandal have arrested two company directors

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following raids in the Netherlands. Here the Food Standards Agency has

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revealed that 700,000 contaminated eggs have been imported

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from Dutch farms, but it insists it is highly unlikely they pose any

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risk to human health. Sandwiches and salads are among

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the foods that have now been removed from UK supermarket shelves,

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as Natasha Emerson reports. Millions of eggs destroyed,

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supermarkets scrambling Two men have been held by Dutch

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police over batches of poisonous Fipronil, a pesticide

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commonly used to kill lice and fleas on pets,

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has made its way Earlier this week,

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the Food Standards Agency said 21,000 contaminated eggs had been

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imported to the UK. Now, it thinks it could be

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as many as 700,000. But that's still only a fraction

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of the 34 million we eat each day. And the Agency said you would have

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to eat 10,000 contaminated Our assessment is that it is

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unlikely there is any public health risk but we think people deserve but

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Bury food they can trust. So far, some salads and sandwiches

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sold by these four supermarkets have been withdrawn from sale,

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but whole eggs are safe. Despite those reassurances,

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the scandal continues to spread through Europe,

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with 11 countries now Millions of eggs will be

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destroyed, as will hundreds Four years ago, horsemeat was found

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in burgers and ready-meals. Once again, questions

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are being raised about what goes into our processed foods

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and where it comes from. Officials hope the contaminated eggs

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will be out of the food chain soon, but the investigation into Europe's

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latest food scandal is likely One of the former aides

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to Brexit Secretary David Davis has said that leaving the EU will be

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a calamity for our country. Speaking to the Today Programme

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this morning, he said that the Conservatives had been

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badly damaged by the process - and that promises made to voters

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during the referendum were false. People have voted for Brexit and,

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yes, most people do now think, "Well, let's just get on with it,

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we've made the decision," but Where is the ?350 million a week

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for the health service? It's going to be a calamity

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for our country. Donations made to the victims

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of the Grenfell Tower fire are not reaching survivors quickly enough,

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according to campaigners Figures from the Charity Commission

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show that less than 15% of the ?18.9 million raised has

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been given to people affected almost two months

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after the tragedy - but it says that early difficulties

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in identifying and contacting those Passengers flying from Gatwick

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during the last two summers experienced the longest average

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delays, according to flight data Among the ten biggest airlines,

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easyJet travellers suffered the worst hold ups, with an average

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delay of 24 minutes. Both the airport and the airline say

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many of the problems CCTV cameras will be compulsory

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in all abattoirs in England, under new plans announced

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by the Environment Vets working for the Food Standards

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Agency will be given unrestricted access to footage

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from all areas containing livestock. Abattoirs with failing

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standards of care could face a criminal investigation

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or lose staff licences. We like to think that the food

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we eat is produced in Now Britain is on its way out

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of the European Union, the Government is reviewing

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standards. One idea, make it compulsory for

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abattoirs in England to have CCTV. I think this is a very important

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animal welfare measure, and I think it gives even greater

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confidence to the consumer both at home and abroad

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that British produce, British meat is achieved

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at the highest possible standards during their life and at the time

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of the animal's death. It's hoped cameras will reduce

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abuse suffered by animals This video was filmed in an abattoir

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as part of an investigation Much of the charity's of the footage

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is too graphic to show. It's a really vital tool for helping

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to stop the kind of appalling gratuitous violence and abuse

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that we filmed repeatedly in slaughterhouses during our

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undercover investigations. And it's not just the mandatory CCTV

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itself that's so important, but also the Independent monitoring

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of the footage. We're really urging the Government

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to introduce that in order to ensure that slaughterhouses

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are properly spot checked. The Government has faced questions

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over what future trade deals post By enforcing cameras

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in slaughterhouses, ministers hope to reassure us

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that they are committed to the highest standards

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and animal welfare. There has been a fall in the shares

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of the company which owned Snapchat. The number of users was lower than

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expected and market analysts say the company has been struggling with

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fierce competition from rivals such as Facebook's Instagram.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30am.

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We are just getting reports from London Fire Brigade today are

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investigating reports of a fire on a train at Oxford Circus underground,

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the Bakerloo line affected and the line is suspended we are hearing.

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Oxford Circus is closed due to a fire alert, smoke seen coming from a

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carriage. These are initial reports, no further detail on that at the

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moment but we will stay across those reports and keep you updated. Let us

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know what you think about the eggs scare, XP and withdrawn from most of

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the eggs we buy on the shelves are British Lion, British produced eggs.

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Jerome Taylor has said on Twitter that the crisis has been created by

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the media, there is no public health risk. And adulthood have to keep

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seven eggs in 24 hours to exceed the level of risk chemical presents to

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us so let us know what you think about that, how worried are you

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about that crisis? Let me see, the latest from London Fire Brigade on

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what is happening at Oxford Circus, they say crews have been called to

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Oxford Circus station to investigate reports of smoke, more information

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soon. We will keep you updated on that.

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The incredible story surrounding Isaac Makwala

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at the World Athletics Championships didn't have a fairytale

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We have been talking about him a lot this week, he missed the 400 metre

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final after being banned from running and that was on medical

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grounds and he was not even allowed at one point into the London

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Stadium. He then had to run a solo time trial in the rain to qualify

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for the 200 metres on Wednesday and I guess it all looks to have taken

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its toll. He finished sixth in the end but it was of Turkey who won in

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the end ahead of Wayde van Niekerk, it was so close at the finish line,

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his first World Championship gold. Tell us about Dina Asher-Smith, she

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had a nasty injury but has made it through to the 200 metres final?

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Yes, she has had a really bad year with injury, an injury to her fruit

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but she has got a place in the women's two and metre final, running

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her second best of 22.73 to finish second and is among five British

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athletes who have a shot at medals, let's wasn't what she had to say. I

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completely broke my foot which is not great, they had to have surgery

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to put screws in, six weeks not doing anything, not putting any

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weight on it and then gradually putting weight on it, for three

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months I basically could not even what, but I learned how to walk

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again and here we are, it wasn't that bad! I am joking, I would not

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recommend it, it was not fun. It is great that she has come back

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so well. Laura Muir looked completely

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exhausted after her 5,000 metres Good girl she even collapsed to the

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ground, she has been quite busy during the championship, finishing

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fourth in the 1500 metres. She finished... Qualified as a fastest

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loser. She will run alongside Hamish McColgan, who ran her personal best

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of 15 minutes and 18 seconds. Katarina Johnson-Thompson organ

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like, the high jumpers, made the final. So something positive, a late

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surge from Great Britain and some more medals.

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the Premier League is back tonight - and Alan Shearer has been pretty

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outspoken about clubs not giving English youngsters a chance.

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It has come around quickly. We had the women's you rose, that kept our

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appetite going, Alan Shearer not holding back. He is essentially

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saying that more young players need to be given a chance at the top

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clubs. He does not believe that is happening at the moment and it will

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have a big impact on Premier League success in the future, including he

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says the success of the under 20s squad. That will not help him...

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That get top spots in big clubs, winning the World Cup. We will see

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Arsenal taking on Leicester in the opener, so lots to look forward to.

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That is all from me for now, I will have more at 9:30am. Thank you.

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We are staying across reports we are getting about a train appearing to

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be on fire at the Bakerloo line at Oxford Circus. We will keep you

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updated as soon as we get any more. Two months on since the Grenfell

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Tower fire in west London, campaigners have said donations

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are not reaching Charity Commission figures show that

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less than 15% of the ?18.9m raised has been given to people

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who lost their homes and loved ones, and it's not just those who have

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to provide for their families For most children it's

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now the holidays - meaning a time to rest,

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recuperate and have fun But for those children who escaped

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the Grenfell Tower fire - the summer has brought a stinging

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wave of trauma and shock. Around 600 people including 100

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children from the Grenfell Tower neighbourhood have been referred

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to mental health services in the aftermath of the fire,

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new figures show. Just how well are these

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children coping? Our reporter Ashley John-Baptiste

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has caught up with 12-year-old Grenfell survivor Tyrshondre,

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and his adoptive grandmother, Rumayatu Mamudu as they went

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swimming at the leisure centre close He lived on the first

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floor of Grenfell Tower with his adoptive grandmother,

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Rumayatu Mamudu. They escaped the tower

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during the night of the fire, and eight weeks on, Tyrshondre has

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broken up from school It's the summer holiday,

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how's it going? Does it at all feel different not

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being at the home you're used to? Can you tell me what toys

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you lost in the fire? My piano, my Wii Fit Plus,

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my Wii console, everything. What do you miss

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about your old home? It's been eight weeks

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since you lost your home. To tell you the truth,

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I think things are getting worse. If we had a little bit

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of attention as survivors, we would now be getting

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ready for closure. We have support from the society,

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from the charity organisation, If only the government would do

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their best to give us a roof. He wakes up in the night,

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he's afraid there might be a fire. So the fear is still in him,

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until we have a place Does it feel like the normal

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summer holiday for you? No, it can never feel

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like a normal summer holiday. I have been offered to go

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on holiday, but how could you go on holiday when you are not sure

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what you are coming back to? Have you got used to living

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in a hotel with your grandson? A hotel is supposed to be temporary

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accommodation for travellers. I was offered a place two weeks ago,

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outside my borough. I've spent 46 years of my

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life in this borough. My five children were born

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in this borough, they went So I don't see why I should be

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moved out of my borough. How are you making sure

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that your grandson's OK? Well, I tried to see some

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consultants, to talk to them, Is it getting tiring having

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these chats and feeling Everything done repeatedly

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without any result is boring. But to go back to that

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same hotel, I just feel sick going there every

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day, every day... Are you looking forward

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to going back to school? We are alive, which is most

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important, and we have We will try our best

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to look after one another. That has Tyrshondre and his

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grandmother talking about how they have been coping in the aftermath of

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the fire. So exactly what mental health

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and trauma support should children who survived

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the Grenfell fire receive? Here to give us some

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insight is Dr Gary Wannan - a consultant child and adolescent

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psychiatrist. Thanks very much for coming in. We

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were hearing that Tyrshondre keeps waking up in the night afraid of

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fire, is it always obvious if a child has suffered a trauma as a

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result of something they have been through? It is not always obvious,

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but hearing about Tyrshondre and about him waking in the night and

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being upset, we really need to help him. I am based in a clinic not far

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from where he lives and we would love to meet that family and any

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other family affected by the trauma of Grenfell. At this stage, we

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passed what we would call the watchful waiting periods for

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children experiencing symptoms like that who are distressed, it is

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really important that we help. What is the watchful waiting period? In

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the first four to six weeks we expect children, young people,

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adults to be quite understandably upset by what has happened. And

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during that time getting on with what parents would usually do to

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help children, provide comfort, do the normal things with them. We

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would usually expect to and symptoms with that to go down. But for a

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childlike Tyrshondre who at this stage is waking up at night quite

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upset, we would really want to meet that family and to work out the best

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way to help. Is it possible that some kids and adults will have gone

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through that without any lasting impact, or should everybody be

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getting mental health help at the moment? I think everybody is

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different. For some people they can go through a trauma, use the support

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they have around them and come through that without needing to get

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professional help. The last thing I would want to do is to say that

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everybody needs to meet a professional. Many people have good

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coping mechanisms and good support around them. What about the way it

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is being done. It is difficult for individuals to assess sometimes

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whether what their experience and requires professional help or

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whether they should just get through it. Are the services reaching out to

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these people in the way that they should just to make sure anybody in

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the situation where they really need help is actually getting at? With

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the first of those things, for people who are unsure, it is much

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better to be in touch and seek advice about whether to get

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treatment or not. In terms of being out there, as well as having a

:26:17.:26:18.

dedicated phone line and meeting young people and families in the

:26:19.:26:21.

clinic I work in, we have gone out and visited people at home, there

:26:22.:26:23.

have been public clinics and activities where people have been

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able to join in and meet children and young people that way, we have

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been in schools, in the emergency centres, we have wanted to get in

:26:30.:26:31.

the community where people are to make sure the help they can get.

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Your team has helped around 100 kids, what issues have been coming

:26:39.:26:43.

up? There has been quite a variety. For some people it has been

:26:44.:26:49.

reassuring parents and carers that they are doing a good job. At the

:26:50.:26:55.

other end we have seen some severely affected children and young people

:26:56.:26:59.

who have needed to begin quite specific treatments for the trauma

:27:00.:27:03.

experienced. What would be an indication where somebody is

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severely affected, is that the type of thing we are hearing about from

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Tyrshondre, waking up in a night afraid of fire? Adult fears that

:27:12.:27:15.

will Maher go, nightmares, flashbacks, not been able to pay

:27:16.:27:22.

attention, not being able to do what you usually do, that would make me

:27:23.:27:28.

more concerned about a child. How do you help somebody experiencing that?

:27:29.:27:32.

I think every child is different but for the most severely affected we

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would use CBT, cognitive behavioural therapy, where children are

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encouraged to go back and think about the upsetting memories but

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instead of being associated with fear and distress, a therapist is

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able to work with the child and help them find ways to bring calm to that

:27:52.:27:55.

situation. It is a treatment that works really well and I have seen

:27:56.:28:00.

many children and young people helped with that. It will not be a

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quick treatment? No, it can be quite hard work but it can make a big

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difference. Just behind you we are seeing the picture of the building,

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the charred building. It will be covered, I think later this month.

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How much does having to see that on a daily basis impact on those

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affected by this? I think it can add to the distress. With what I have

:28:28.:28:31.

been saying about treatment as well and getting on with life and finding

:28:32.:28:37.

ways to find can rather than distress thinking about what has

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happened, this is a way of also beginning to come to terms with what

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has happened. Thank you very much, Dr Gary Wannon.

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Hundreds of people are going to be moved out of their high rise flats

:28:49.:28:51.

in South East London - after an investigation has

:28:52.:28:53.

Dan Johnson is there with the latest.

:28:54.:28:58.

What is the situation? This is the Ledbury estate in Southwark, south

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London. There are four tower blocks, 242 flats. Residents have had

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letters from the council telling them that urgent work is needed and

:29:13.:29:17.

but for the meantime the flats are not safe unless the gases cut-off.

:29:18.:29:22.

To understand this we need to go back nearly 50 years to a tower

:29:23.:29:27.

block collapse in London called Ronan point, which was prompted by a

:29:28.:29:33.

gas explosion which blew out a wall in a flat, which prompted a collapse

:29:34.:29:37.

on one side of the building. It killed four people back in 1968. As

:29:38.:29:43.

a result of that dust -- disaster new building regulations were

:29:44.:29:46.

stipulated which meant blocks like those constructed in the same way

:29:47.:29:50.

had to be strengthened to withstand a similar gas explosion. In the last

:29:51.:29:53.

few weeks the council has been conducting inspections in the wake

:29:54.:29:59.

of the Grenfell Tower disaster and as as well as looking at the

:30:00.:30:02.

external fabrication of the building they have been looking at the

:30:03.:30:06.

structure inside. This is not about the cladding on the outside or even

:30:07.:30:11.

the fireproofing inside, it is about whether the concrete structure could

:30:12.:30:15.

withstand a gas explosion. The conclusion of the engineers

:30:16.:30:19.

yesterday is that the structural improvement work that should have

:30:20.:30:22.

been done almost 50 years ago has not been done, therefore those tower

:30:23.:30:26.

blocks are not safe, that is why the gas has been cut off as we speak and

:30:27.:30:31.

residents are told they will have to provide their own hot water with

:30:32.:30:35.

electric heaters and in the very near future residents will have to

:30:36.:30:39.

move out so improvement work can take place. Let's talk to one of the

:30:40.:30:43.

people who lives here, she joins us with her two sons. How do you feel?

:30:44.:30:51.

We are worried, we are angry it's got to this point. We have been

:30:52.:30:59.

advised to use local leisure centre is to take the children and

:31:00.:31:03.

ourselves to shower. We are not going to run any hot water in the

:31:04.:31:09.

flat. I'm lucky I have got an electric cooker but I have been told

:31:10.:31:13.

to heat water on the electric cooker to Bath the baby, we are well past

:31:14.:31:20.

that stage, 1946 my mum was born and that is how they Bath babies back

:31:21.:31:26.

then and we should not have to do it now. It's not just now, if there was

:31:27.:31:31.

a fire it would spread straight through. There have been cracks in

:31:32.:31:35.

the building that residents have been highlighting for years? For

:31:36.:31:40.

over 20 years, I have been here seven years and have alerted the

:31:41.:31:45.

council to them more than once. We have seen some pictures from inside

:31:46.:31:50.

your flat. I had people out to fix them but they are back under worse

:31:51.:31:55.

than ever. They are not just a structural problem they might be a

:31:56.:31:59.

fire risk as well. We can only stay here because we have fire wardens,

:32:00.:32:04.

this is what we were told and this has been going on since the 29th of

:32:05.:32:10.

June. We went out, came back in and there was a security system and fire

:32:11.:32:17.

wardens sat on every floor. They are here 24/7, does it make you feel

:32:18.:32:22.

safe? Not really, because have of them do not speak English. They

:32:23.:32:26.

cannot understand when somebody does smell smoke, she ran down from the

:32:27.:32:30.

tenth floor to the fourth floor before she could find somebody who

:32:31.:32:33.

could understand, other than that she was being told no English,

:32:34.:32:38.

that's not helpful. The council said they will re-home you will be make

:32:39.:32:43.

things safer, are you happy with that? No, once I move out I need to

:32:44.:32:48.

be gone permanently, we cannot move backward and forward, it is not

:32:49.:32:54.

fair. You want a new home and a new start? I don't want to leave the

:32:55.:32:57.

community we have got here because it is an amazing community, the

:32:58.:33:02.

tenants Association, the chair has worked hard to give us the community

:33:03.:33:12.

we have got, we are going to leave a lot behind but when you look at it

:33:13.:33:16.

from a safety aspect I have to put the children first. Of course, thank

:33:17.:33:21.

you, appreciate your time. Another reason for people in tower blocks to

:33:22.:33:24.

be an easy, it looks like another developing scandal, building

:33:25.:33:29.

regulations, measures which should have been enacted almost 50 years

:33:30.:33:33.

ago still not adhered to and it's possible these are not the only

:33:34.:33:38.

blocks affected. Thank you. Let's get you the latest on Oxford Circus

:33:39.:33:43.

station after being evacuated after smoke was seen coming from inside

:33:44.:33:48.

the Bakerloo line carriage, that's one of the pictures on social media,

:33:49.:33:54.

it looks pretty dramatic, British Transport Police saying the cause of

:33:55.:33:58.

the fire is not being treated as suspicious. We will bring you the

:33:59.:34:06.

very latest shortly. Expecting to speak to an eyewitness. Also coming

:34:07.:34:09.

up: A warning Britain could face

:34:10.:34:12.

30 years of terror. The former head of MI5, Lord Evans,

:34:13.:34:14.

says the Islamist terror Have you been stuck waiting

:34:15.:34:17.

for hours at an airport this summer? Found out what the worst airport

:34:18.:34:23.

for delays is in Britain, and the airline that's adding

:34:24.:34:26.

to the queues. Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom

:34:27.:34:29.

with a summary of todays news. US Defence Secretary James Mattis

:34:30.:34:34.

has said America still hopes to solve the North Korea

:34:35.:34:37.

crisis using diplomacy. After days of fiery rhetoric

:34:38.:34:41.

from both the US and North Korea, Mr Mattis said war would be

:34:42.:34:45.

"catastrophic" and that diplomacy On Thursday, the North Korean regime

:34:46.:34:48.

announced it was finalising a plan to fire four missiles near the US

:34:49.:34:55.

territory of Guam. Donations made to the victims

:34:56.:35:02.

of the Grenfell Tower fire are not reaching survivors quickly enough,

:35:03.:35:04.

according to campaigners Figures from the Charity Commission

:35:05.:35:06.

show that less than 15% of the ?18.9 million raised has

:35:07.:35:11.

been given to people affected, almost two

:35:12.:35:14.

months after the tragedy - but it says that early difficulties

:35:15.:35:16.

in identifying and contacting those easyJet Travelers suffered the worst

:35:17.:35:43.

hold-ups with an average delay of 24 minutes. Both the airport and

:35:44.:35:47.

airline say many of the problems were beyond their control.

:35:48.:35:49.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:00am.

:35:50.:35:53.

Let's get the sport again. Last night the big event was the

:35:54.:36:03.

men's 200 metre final and the winner from Turkey beat 400 metre champion

:36:04.:36:08.

and favourite Wayde van Niekerk with Isaac Makwala back in sixth. After

:36:09.:36:15.

breaking her food just six months ago better news for Dina Asher-Smith

:36:16.:36:19.

as she qualified for the 200 metres final running her season 's best of

:36:20.:36:26.

22.73 to finish second. And Britain only has one medal so far from a

:36:27.:36:30.

target of 6-8 but there could be a podium finish tonight in the long

:36:31.:36:38.

jump final. And Rory McIlroy said the course played tricky after his

:36:39.:36:43.

opening round at the USPGA championship in North Carolina, he

:36:44.:36:50.

three shots and finished five behind the leaders. More later.

:36:51.:36:56.

The former head of MI5, Lord Evans, has warned

:36:57.:36:58.

that the Islamist terror threat facing Britain could continue

:36:59.:37:00.

In an interview with the BBC, he also said Russia was likely

:37:01.:37:05.

to be trying to interfere in the UK's democracy.

:37:06.:37:10.

Our security correspondent Frank Gardner has been speaking

:37:11.:37:12.

Tell us more about what he said about the terror threat. This was a

:37:13.:37:24.

unique opportunity because he's never done a full interview, when he

:37:25.:37:31.

was in MI5 or since he retired four years ago, he has been right at the

:37:32.:37:35.

top of it for six years, there were a lot of things to ask and I started

:37:36.:37:40.

by asking him in his 32 years how has it changed and evolved? There

:37:41.:37:47.

was terrorism in the 1970s with the IRA and there was the espionage

:37:48.:37:50.

threat from the cold War, from Russia even back then. He started by

:37:51.:37:56.

talking about the generational aspect of the terror threat. We are

:37:57.:38:03.

at least 20 years into this. My guess is we will still be dealing

:38:04.:38:08.

with the long tail and another 20 years' time. I think this is

:38:09.:38:12.

genuinely a generational problem. I think we are going to be facing

:38:13.:38:17.

20-30 years of terrorist threats and therefore we need absolutely

:38:18.:38:23.

critically to persevere. One of the really interesting things was I

:38:24.:38:28.

asked him what's it like as an intelligence officer to send out an

:38:29.:38:33.

agent, an informant basically? They do not really do this buying

:38:34.:38:37.

themselves, they do surveillance and intercepts but the people at the

:38:38.:38:44.

sharp end of risk-taking, people who they tried to insert inside

:38:45.:38:53.

terrorism plotters, trying to penetrate foreign organisations,

:38:54.:38:56.

what is it like to send some beer like that out knowing if they are

:38:57.:39:00.

discovered terrible things will happen to them and he was really

:39:01.:39:05.

interesting, he said often it's sleepless nights, it is nail-biting

:39:06.:39:09.

if you are running an operation. They take whatever measures they can

:39:10.:39:14.

to protect them. He was quite alarming I think about some of the

:39:15.:39:19.

threats coming down the line, I asked what the unconventional

:39:20.:39:21.

threats where and he talked about the threat to the Internet of

:39:22.:39:26.

things. This is enabling more of our gadgets including car is to be

:39:27.:39:30.

linked to the Internet which brings new vulnerabilities to hackers,

:39:31.:39:37.

people holding you to ransom, your car or kettle not working unless you

:39:38.:39:43.

pay a fine. He also spoke about what Russia might be doing to meddle with

:39:44.:39:49.

British democracy? Yeah, he spent some time in counter espionage

:39:50.:39:55.

himself which is a branch of MI5's work, he said it would be impossible

:39:56.:40:02.

to imagine the kind of interference as he put it that Russia has

:40:03.:40:09.

allegedly carried out in the United States and other Western countries

:40:10.:40:13.

particularly with elections, that Britain would not also be vulnerable

:40:14.:40:17.

to that. He did not want to go into more detail but said it is a threat.

:40:18.:40:23.

What is being done to protect us from that threat, what is likely to

:40:24.:40:30.

be done? They have the national cyber Security Centre which they

:40:31.:40:34.

launched sometime ago, it was slightly farcical I must say because

:40:35.:40:38.

they were talking about the defence of properties and I said is there

:40:39.:40:43.

any kind of offensive capability Britain has and the person giving

:40:44.:40:47.

the speech said I don't think we can talk about that, then I heard him

:40:48.:40:53.

say, do we actually have one? They do now but I don't think they did

:40:54.:40:57.

when they launched it. They are investing billions of pounds in

:40:58.:41:02.

trying to shore up Britain to make it as hard a target as possible and

:41:03.:41:07.

yet these digital hacks and vulnerabilities persist. We are

:41:08.:41:10.

still on the of the iceberg when it comes to the digital threats to the

:41:11.:41:14.

UK and other countries. Thank you Frank.

:41:15.:41:17.

Why were contaminated eggs imported from the Netherlands?

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It seems an adult would have to eat seven eggs over 24 hours to be at

:41:22.:41:34.

risk from any contaminated eggs. Oxford Circus tube station has been

:41:35.:41:38.

closed and the Bakerloo line suspended between elephant and

:41:39.:41:41.

Castle and Piccadilly Circus because of a fire alert. Pictures on social

:41:42.:41:47.

media show smoke coming from a train. The British Transport Police

:41:48.:41:52.

say the fire is not being treated as suspicious. We can speak to a man

:41:53.:41:56.

who was in the station at the time, I think we have some of your

:41:57.:42:03.

pictures as well, well, Tom, tell us what happens? I was going from

:42:04.:42:11.

Brixton to moral born so I normally change at Oxford Circus, I got off

:42:12.:42:15.

my train, as we were waiting on the platform you could smell something

:42:16.:42:19.

as the train was coming in and as it got closer and the smell got

:42:20.:42:23.

stronger and stronger and when the train pulled then you could see one

:42:24.:42:31.

carriage with smoke inside it. Then a lot more smoke started coming out,

:42:32.:42:38.

everybody was standing around and they started evacuating the station

:42:39.:42:41.

but a lot of people with hands or mouths and coughing. Did the smoke

:42:42.:42:46.

seem to be contained to one carriage? It looked like it was,

:42:47.:42:52.

just one carriage that had a problem. Coogee see any indication

:42:53.:42:59.

of where the smoke might have been coming from, what might have caused

:43:00.:43:06.

it? I suspect may the mortars or something like that underneath the

:43:07.:43:11.

carriage, I don't know much about trains to be honest. Whether any

:43:12.:43:16.

people on the carriage as it pulled in? I think there were a few, it's

:43:17.:43:20.

quite difficult to get between carriages. Thanks very much for

:43:21.:43:28.

telling us your experiences and giving us your pictures, thank you.

:43:29.:43:30.

No problem, by? Police investigating the European

:43:31.:43:36.

egg contamination scandal have arrested two company directors

:43:37.:43:38.

following raids in the Netherlands. Here the Food Standards Agency has

:43:39.:43:40.

revealed that 700,000 contaminated eggs have been imported

:43:41.:43:42.

from Dutch farms, up from their original

:43:43.:43:44.

estimate of 21,000 but experts insists it is "highly

:43:45.:43:46.

unlikely" they pose any Sandwiches and salads are among

:43:47.:43:48.

the foods that have now been removed And should we be worried

:43:49.:43:55.

about the eggs currently Mark Williams from the British Egg

:43:56.:44:05.

Industry Council joins us Thank you for joining us, can you

:44:06.:44:18.

understand how the number of affected eggs shot up to 700,000 in

:44:19.:44:26.

a matter of days? This is what the Food Standards Agency have notified

:44:27.:44:31.

as part of their investigations, the key point is I believe the food

:44:32.:44:35.

products which have been withdrawn from sale of all been made with

:44:36.:44:41.

these potentially affected imported eggs. Another key point is that

:44:42.:44:49.

British eggs are safe. The safest in the world. The assurance consumers

:44:50.:44:52.

in this country can have is that if they look for the lion on the egg

:44:53.:44:56.

shell and the box they are getting the safest eggs in the world. Are

:44:57.:45:04.

most of the eggs we buy in our supermarkets British produced? How

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many actual eggs we buy, forget eggs in other products are imported?

:45:09.:45:15.

We are about 85% self-sufficient and have to import about 15% of our

:45:16.:45:24.

needs, unfortunately. All the major supermarkets, the discount

:45:25.:45:27.

supermarkets, they all stop British Lion egg so consumers do not have to

:45:28.:45:32.

be worried at all, British eggs are safe. What do you think about the

:45:33.:45:38.

time taken for this to be picked up in the way it has been? I mentioned

:45:39.:45:42.

that in a matter of days the number of eggs being looked at in this

:45:43.:45:47.

country, the estimate has gone from 21,000 to 700,000. The problem was

:45:48.:45:51.

first picked up last November but it was only last week that a

:45:52.:45:56.

Europe-wide safety alert was issued. Of statements are being made coming

:45:57.:46:01.

out of the continent but the key point is that this contamination is

:46:02.:46:06.

a result of criminal activity. Somebody has put this insecticide

:46:07.:46:10.

Fipronil into a normal product which is used to treat red mites, which

:46:11.:46:16.

can potentially have bird welfare issues unless their numbers are kept

:46:17.:46:22.

down. Somebody has adulterated this normal product in Holland and that

:46:23.:46:26.

has led to this particular crisis in Holland. It is totally wrong, it

:46:27.:46:31.

does not help trust in food at all but I think from a British point of

:46:32.:46:36.

view our consumers can be totally assured that British eggs are safe.

:46:37.:46:41.

The problem we have is when it comes to food products made with processed

:46:42.:46:46.

egg, how does a consumer tell they are British? We know that there are

:46:47.:46:51.

quite a few food products made with imported eggs at the moment, we have

:46:52.:46:57.

been calling on food manufacturers and retailers to actually use

:46:58.:47:00.

British Lion egg products in these food products. We also like to see

:47:01.:47:06.

country of origin labelling on egg products. So if any imports come in

:47:07.:47:10.

in the future they will be clearly labelled with the country of origin.

:47:11.:47:14.

At the beginning you said there was about a 15% shortfall in the number

:47:15.:47:18.

of British eggs being produced versus eggs on the shelves, is the

:47:19.:47:25.

shortfall because Moore can't be produced effectively? How much

:47:26.:47:28.

capacity is there in the market when you say you want British eggs used

:47:29.:47:33.

for everything in the supermarkets, including products made from eggs?

:47:34.:47:37.

We would dearly like to supply all the eggs and egg products to our

:47:38.:47:41.

customers, but what we need is clear market signals from them that will

:47:42.:47:46.

lead to our egg producers, who do a fantastic job in this country,

:47:47.:47:52.

basically being able to produce more eggs for consumers. Thank you very

:47:53.:47:54.

much for joining us. A pleasure. This weekend the world's

:47:55.:47:57.

fastest man - Usain Bolt - will take part in his final

:47:58.:47:59.

competitive race before retiring. During his career, the sprinter has

:48:00.:48:02.

won eight Olympic gold medals and holds the 100 and 200

:48:03.:48:04.

metre world records. He's also one of the world's most

:48:05.:48:09.

popular athletes - with fans won over by his talent,

:48:10.:48:12.

playful nature and trademark pose. Usain Bolt's final race

:48:13.:48:18.

will be the 4x100m relay at the World Athletics Championships

:48:19.:48:20.

in London tomorrow. It's not sure if he will take part

:48:21.:48:22.

in the heats in the morning, but he's expected to compete

:48:23.:48:26.

in the final in the evening. Joining us now to talk about Bolt's

:48:27.:48:30.

career are two of the four men who made up Great Britain's 4x400m

:48:31.:48:33.

relay team and so memorably stormed to victory,

:48:34.:48:36.

winning gold in the event at the World Championships in 1991 -

:48:37.:48:38.

Kriss Akabusi and Roger Black. Actually, one of the men joins us,

:48:39.:48:52.

Kriss Akabusi. Hello, how are you? About great, we are looking for to

:48:53.:48:56.

speaking to you. Also joining a $:/STARTFEED.

:48:57.:48:57.

13-year-old Vera, who is a fan of Usain Bolt,

:48:58.:48:59.

And we're also joined by the Telegraph's

:49:00.:49:02.

Welcome to you all. Kriss, tell us how he ranks among the all-time

:49:03.:49:13.

greats in athletics? Clearly he is an icon of the sport. He is ranked

:49:14.:49:20.

along with guys like Edwin Moses, Lord Coe, Daley Thompson, Michael

:49:21.:49:26.

Johnson, these guys are icons of the sport. You sane is the icon of his

:49:27.:49:35.

day. -- Usain is the icon of his day. He has won three Olympic golds,

:49:36.:49:41.

which is phenomenal. Vera, you have been inspired by Usain Bolt? When

:49:42.:49:46.

did that happen? When I first saw him is when he beat the 2008 world

:49:47.:49:52.

record, I could see it was really hard work and determination he put

:49:53.:49:57.

in to be the fastest man. What impact has it had on you? It has

:49:58.:50:02.

taught me to work harder, even if I did not win this

:50:03.:50:14.

race I could come back stronger if I work harder for the next race. What

:50:15.:50:19.

are you doing in athletics and how are you getting on? About 200

:50:20.:50:21.

metres, it is going well so far. Ifeanyi, it is always nice when a

:50:22.:50:24.

child has a role model who can help to propel them forward? Of course.

:50:25.:50:27.

My family have a lot of interest in sports, and as her dad it is always

:50:28.:50:34.

my duty and obligation to support them in any form. Taking them from

:50:35.:50:42.

one place to another, financially and otherwise. Ben, he is an athlete

:50:43.:50:47.

who does not seem to have put a foot wrong. He has performed amazingly? I

:50:48.:50:54.

think I would take it a step forward than what Kriss said, Kriss named

:50:55.:50:59.

some of the greats of athletics over the years. They are big within the

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sport and somewhat transcend the sport, but athletics has never had

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anyone like Usain Bolt before who is bigger than the sport, you can say

:51:08.:51:12.

the name Bolt anywhere in the world and they will know who this man is,

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he is enormous. What is it about him? If you don't follow athletics,

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you know who he is and his trademark pose. It has really caught on. The

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pose is a big thing. Obviously he has done amazing things on the

:51:29.:51:33.

track. You listed the titles he has won and the gold medals, that is one

:51:34.:51:38.

thing, the other is his superstar aura that he carries with him, the

:51:39.:51:44.

phone he has on the start line, the dancing, playing with his hair and

:51:45.:51:47.

all that stuff. That has really resonated with the wider world. That

:51:48.:51:53.

is what takes it beyond a sporting achievement into the wider public

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realm. Kriss, when you watch it you get the sense, it has been said so

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many times, gosh, if he really tried, how much faster could he go?

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He makes it look so easy? I think that is going to be one of the

:52:10.:52:12.

things that will come back to haunt him one day. He seemed like he was

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jogging in 2009. I think one day he will see somebody run 9.49 and know

:52:22.:52:25.

deep down inside that he could have smashed that. But you can only

:52:26.:52:31.

compete in your time, he has been phenomenal, he is a legend. The

:52:32.:52:35.

sport will miss him, he has big shoes to fill. But he is here, we

:52:36.:52:40.

had to enjoy him this weekend. You are seeing poetry in motion, a

:52:41.:52:46.

legend in his lifetime, enjoy it. When you say he might look back and

:52:47.:52:49.

think he could have smashed it, do you think he has not done as well as

:52:50.:52:55.

he potentially could have? He was a young man, when he ran 9.58 it was

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2009, he was young. He had all of his life ahead of him. As an athlete

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you can always say you can do a little bit better, he was banging

:53:07.:53:09.

his chest, not kidding around. But coming to the twilight of your

:53:10.:53:12.

career you realise you never get that chance again. It is a real

:53:13.:53:18.

death in his life, he has to moved from a field that he knew so well

:53:19.:53:23.

and graced so beautifully into his next phase. He has lots of lovely

:53:24.:53:26.

things ahead of him but he will never be in the shape to run 9.49

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and he will know deep down he could have done that. Roger Black joins

:53:32.:53:37.

us. How do you think Usain Bolt ranks among the all-time greats?

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Here is the greatest athlete of all time. I don't think many people

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would argue against that. Nine Olympic gold medals, multiple world

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records and the sustainability over such a long period. More

:53:52.:53:54.

importantly, he has transcended athletics. He is a global superstar.

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Many great athletes have not been like Usain has been. How hard is it

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when you are bowing out? He has had an amazing career and it seems like

:54:10.:54:15.

universal adoration? It is pretty sad, it is hard. The athlete

:54:16.:54:18.

struggles in retirement because you will never be as good as what you

:54:19.:54:22.

have just done, you have the rest of your life that if you want it will

:54:23.:54:25.

never be as clear. In athletics every year there is a Championships

:54:26.:54:30.

and your whole world leads to that. Kriss and I have moved on, it has

:54:31.:54:36.

been OK. Some people struggle, some do better. Usain Bolt will have so

:54:37.:54:40.

many options and opportunities, the world is at his hands, whatever he

:54:41.:54:44.

wants to do, but he will miss it, Kriss is right, the clarity is of

:54:45.:54:50.

purpose, but I think he will be all right. What do you think he will do?

:54:51.:54:57.

There have been jokes he will sign for Manchester United? He will go to

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Hollywood! Do you reckon, Kriss? Do some films, bust a fewer records,

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travel the world. He is worth 45 million quid, there is a lot you can

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do when you are worth that. He does not need the money. What do you

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reckon, Roger? I think he will be some sort of global ambassador. He

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likes his football. In retirement you see the opportunity to do will

:55:26.:55:28.

be things you could not do as an athlete. He will play loads of

:55:29.:55:32.

football, get involved in the things he could not do and then at some

:55:33.:55:35.

point he will decide what he wants to be, but I think he will have a

:55:36.:55:40.

few years of having a lot more fun, he has had enough phone in the last

:55:41.:55:50.

ten! At some point he will decide. Have you both met him? Not

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personally. I have seen him like everybody else but not met him. I

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met him when he was very young, he is one of these athletes who was

:55:57.:56:00.

breaking records that are very early age, so I met him when he was 15,

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16, 17. I have not meant him properly in the past few years.

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Dawes had not met him properly. We can't see you but we can hear you.

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What was he like at that age? Just another athlete, really. He was a

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great talent, he showed a lot of promise but to become what he

:56:23.:56:29.

became, the fact that he did it is the mark of the man. There is lots

:56:30.:56:34.

of talent out there who never fulfil their potential. Behind all the

:56:35.:56:40.

laughing and joking and the moves and all that, there is a very... I

:56:41.:56:45.

would not say serious athlete but he knows who he is and how to prepare

:56:46.:56:49.

and get it right, he deserves enormous respect for that. He is a

:56:50.:56:54.

serious athlete. He hits his numbers. 20 in the winter, 20 in the

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spring, 20 in the summer, speed endurance, strength, conditioning.

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He does his numbers. He does his weights, he actually gets himself

:57:09.:57:19.

ready. Forget all that joking stuff, he must be focused because you can't

:57:20.:57:24.

deliver, no matter how talented. I see many, many talented failures.

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Sorry to interrupt you, Kriss, but that is what you said, Vera, about

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why he is a role model, you know the hard work he puts in? Yes. Even

:57:35.:57:39.

recently when he didn't win his race he showed good sportsmanship and

:57:40.:57:46.

clapped to the audience, appreciated them and stuff. Ben, have you met or

:57:47.:57:52.

interviewed him? A few times in group situations. What was he like?

:57:53.:57:57.

A group he does not much enjoy the whole media focus. He likes playing

:57:58.:58:03.

the showman to the crowd. I think he has got to the stage now where he

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wants a bit of normality in his life, he does not necessarily what

:58:09.:58:11.

the attention the whole time. When he is on the stage she will have the

:58:12.:58:15.

attention, away from the stage he quite likes just being normal. I was

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in Kingston in Jamaica for his last run in Jamaica couple of months ago,

:58:20.:58:23.

speaking to people who know him quite well. They got across the

:58:24.:58:29.

sense of normality. He goes to the local gym, takes part in spin

:58:30.:58:33.

classes with me is due and whoever turns up for a spin class.

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Those classes must be popular! I thought it was amazing, turning to

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your left and single bull's fastest man on the bike. And he is six foot

:58:45.:58:50.

five, hard to miss him. What do you think he will do? After he retires?

:58:51.:58:56.

He has mentioned the football thing. Is that a complete joke or is it

:58:57.:59:01.

possible? I think at one stage he would like to have thought he could

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maybe do something but he has sort of accepted that will not happen.

:59:06.:59:10.

Like Kriss and Rogers said I think he will travel the world, take on

:59:11.:59:15.

some ambassadorial projects, do charity work. He says his heart is

:59:16.:59:21.

in athletics so he will promote the sport, he is an amazing figurehead

:59:22.:59:24.

so the sport does not want to lose him, they want to get everything

:59:25.:59:28.

they can out of him and he will continue to help the sport grow.

:59:29.:59:32.

Vera and Ifeanyi, what would you like to see him do? I accept what

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was said by one of the guys over there that he would like to do more

:59:40.:59:46.

of travel around. Sometimes be with family or something like that. He

:59:47.:59:52.

deserves a break. He deserves a break. The family, if possible.

:59:53.:00:01.

That's what I think. He has to relax a little bit. Vera, have you met

:00:02.:00:08.

him? No. Hopefully you might at some stage. Let's see what he does, he

:00:09.:00:12.

might carry on in a mentoring role. Thank you all very much. We would

:00:13.:00:17.

love to know who has inspired you in sport or any other field.

:00:18.:00:25.

The weather are not very inspiring across Northern and Western parts of

:00:26.:00:33.

the UK, lots of cloud and outbreaks of rain, the rain will be quite

:00:34.:00:38.

heavy at times gradually moving further east but I think for East

:00:39.:00:41.

Anglia and the south-east of England you will get away with a dry day

:00:42.:00:46.

without sunshine, temperatures getting up to 22 or 23 degrees but

:00:47.:00:51.

elsewhere a lot of cloud, outbreaks of rain and particularly in Northern

:00:52.:00:58.

Western parts are bit of drizzle. Through this evening that rain will

:00:59.:01:02.

spread its way to the far east, cloudy for many of us into Saturday

:01:03.:01:06.

morning but during Saturday many of us will see the clouds breaking up

:01:07.:01:10.

to give a sunny spells, pleasant during the afternoon, one or two

:01:11.:01:15.

showers dotted around but I think for most of us the emphasis should

:01:16.:01:20.

be on a dry day but on Sunday and other dry day for many of us, role

:01:21.:01:24.

play a better day in terms of the sunshine.

:01:25.:01:33.

Hello it's Friday 11th August, it's ten o'clock.

:01:34.:01:35.

I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria Derbyshire.

:01:36.:01:37.

Donald Trump's heated words over North Korea -

:01:38.:01:39.

but his Defence Secretary James Mattis insists

:01:40.:01:40.

is well enough known. it would be an event the likes

:01:41.:01:53.

It doesn't need another characterisation beyond the fact

:01:54.:01:55.

CCTV will soon be mandatory in slaughterhouses with vets

:01:56.:02:03.

watching the footage - the Environment Secretary Michael

:02:04.:02:05.

Gove says it'll make the UK a world leader in animal welfare.

:02:06.:02:08.

We speak to three very different voices to ask if it'll help.

:02:09.:02:13.

There's protests against tourists in Spain.

:02:14.:02:16.

Anarchist groups there say mass tourism is destroying places

:02:17.:02:19.

# When I'm finished # They won't even know your name #

:02:20.:02:33.

Kesha's back with a new album after a five year hiatus,

:02:34.:02:35.

after a long legal battle with her former producer Dr Luke.

:02:36.:02:43.

Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

:02:44.:02:55.

US Defence Secretary James Mattis says war against North Korea would

:02:56.:03:02.

be catastrophic. That despite increased rhetoric from Donald

:03:03.:03:07.

Trump. James Mattis says the US is still focused on talking. The

:03:08.:03:14.

American effort is diplomatically lead, it has diplomatic traction and

:03:15.:03:20.

is gaining diplomatic results and I want to stay right there right now.

:03:21.:03:25.

The tragedy of war is well enough known, I does not need another

:03:26.:03:29.

characterisation beyond the fact it would be catastrophic. Lets see what

:03:30.:03:35.

he does with Guam. He does something in Glam it will be an event the

:03:36.:03:41.

likes of which no one has ever seen before, what will happen in North

:03:42.:03:42.

Korea. The UK may continue to face

:03:43.:03:45.

the threat of Islamist terrorism for another "20 to 30 years" ,

:03:46.:03:48.

that's the warning from the former In an interview with the BBC's Today

:03:49.:03:51.

programme, Lord Evans went onto to describe the issue

:03:52.:03:55.

as a "generational problem" and that the UK needed

:03:56.:03:57.

to "persevere" with efforts My guess is that we will still be

:03:58.:03:59.

dealing with the long tail I think this is genuinely

:04:00.:04:08.

a generational problem. I think that we are going to be

:04:09.:04:12.

facing 20 or 30 years of terrorist threats,

:04:13.:04:17.

and therefore we need absolutely One of the former aides

:04:18.:04:19.

to Brexit Secretary David Davis has said that leaving the EU will be

:04:20.:04:29.

a calamity for our country. Speaking to the Today Programme

:04:30.:04:32.

this morning, he said that the Conservatives had been

:04:33.:04:35.

badly damaged by the process - and that promises made to voters

:04:36.:04:38.

during the referendum were false. People have voted for Brexit and,

:04:39.:04:42.

yes, most people do now think, "Well, let's just get on with it,

:04:43.:04:45.

we've made the decision," but Where is the ?350 million a week

:04:46.:04:48.

for the health service? It's going to be a calamity

:04:49.:04:52.

for our country. Firefighters have closed

:04:53.:04:58.

Oxford Circus Underground station in central London following reports

:04:59.:05:00.

of smoke on a train. London Fire Brigade confirmed

:05:01.:05:02.

that they were at the station and investigating smoke

:05:03.:05:05.

on a Bakerloo line train. Witnesses report the smell

:05:06.:05:08.

of burning plastic as they were But the fire is not being

:05:09.:05:11.

treated as suspicious. Donations made to the victims

:05:12.:05:19.

of the Grenfell Tower fire are not reaching survivors quickly enough,

:05:20.:05:22.

according to campaigners Figures from the Charity Commission

:05:23.:05:24.

show that less than 15% of the ?18.9 million raised has

:05:25.:05:28.

been given to people affected, almost two

:05:29.:05:33.

months after the tragedy - but it says that early difficulties

:05:34.:05:35.

in identifying and contacting those Passengers flying from Gatwick

:05:36.:05:53.

during the last two Summers experienced the longest average

:05:54.:05:55.

delays according to data analysed by the BBC. EasyJet Travelers suffered

:05:56.:06:01.

the worst hold-ups with an average delay of 24 minutes. The airport and

:06:02.:06:07.

airline say many of the problems are beyond their control.

:06:08.:06:10.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30pm.

:06:11.:06:17.

Let us know who has inspired you in any field, we are talking in

:06:18.:06:25.

particular about Usain Bolt as he retires from athletics tomorrow and

:06:26.:06:29.

we were talking to a girl inspired by Usain Bolt to go into athletics

:06:30.:06:34.

and work hard because she said she could see his worth -- work ethic.

:06:35.:06:43.

We also want to hear from you on this team did eggs story, one person

:06:44.:06:48.

getting in touch seeing the EU nations should stop trying to cover

:06:49.:06:57.

this up, thank goodness for Brexit. Some people waiting for me to drop

:06:58.:07:06.

the pun eggspert. I will not be doing that. It seems you will have

:07:07.:07:17.

to eat seven eggs in 24 hours to have any problems and in terms of

:07:18.:07:22.

how long it took to unfold the issue was first spotted in November but it

:07:23.:07:27.

was last week at Europe-wide alert was put out. Let's catch up with the

:07:28.:07:35.

sport at the London Stadium. Good morning, busy morning session

:07:36.:07:39.

already in action here we have got the men's decathlon and the 100

:07:40.:07:45.

metres heats under way, one person who has been catching the eye here

:07:46.:07:50.

is Dina Asher-Smith of Great Britain, just five years ago she was

:07:51.:07:56.

at this London Stadium for the London 2012 Olympics but was not

:07:57.:08:01.

competing, she was carrying equipment and here she is now racing

:08:02.:08:07.

against the best athletes on the globe. She has really impressed

:08:08.:08:11.

during these championships in the 200 metres and earlier I spoke to

:08:12.:08:16.

her about how tough season has been. I completely broke my foot, I had to

:08:17.:08:23.

have surgery and is then I had to spend six weeks not doing anything,

:08:24.:08:26.

not putting weight on it then gradually putting weight on it,

:08:27.:08:31.

three months I was completely out of pretty much walking then I learnt

:08:32.:08:34.

how to walk and here we are. It wasn't that bad, I am joking, I

:08:35.:08:38.

would not recommend it, it was no fun! There has been lots of talk

:08:39.:08:47.

about the British medal tally, they were given an ambitious target in

:08:48.:08:52.

the run-up, 6-8 medals but there have been a lot of fourth-place

:08:53.:08:57.

finishes, Callum Hawkins in the marathon, Laura Muir in the 1500

:08:58.:09:01.

metres and recently Kyle Langford in the 800 metres. Such fine margins in

:09:02.:09:14.

elite sport. Earlier I spoke to Colin Jackson and he said sometimes

:09:15.:09:18.

results are out of the athletes control. Sometimes you need a bit of

:09:19.:09:26.

luck, we have had four fourth places which could have been bronze medals

:09:27.:09:29.

which would be a different feel for us all. At the beginning of the

:09:30.:09:34.

championships I said we will have many fourth and fifth places that we

:09:35.:09:37.

should celebrate because the team is still developing and with that in

:09:38.:09:41.

mind it is a developing and hungry team, do not give up on them yet.

:09:42.:09:48.

The morning session already underway here, British bands will have a lot

:09:49.:09:52.

to cheer about, Robbie Grabaz scores in the high jump qualifying, he got

:09:53.:09:58.

a medal in Rio last year so will want to put in a good showing and

:09:59.:10:02.

later tonight the final of the women's long jump with the British

:10:03.:10:08.

indoor record-holder who is looking good for possibly a podium place. On

:10:09.:10:15.

the track Lynsey Sharp one of three British women in the semifinals of

:10:16.:10:19.

the 800 metres, the sun is out and there will be lots for fans to cheer

:10:20.:10:21.

about. Thanks. CCTV will be mandatory

:10:22.:10:26.

in all slaughterhouses in England under new plans announced

:10:27.:10:28.

by Environment Cameras will have to be in all areas

:10:29.:10:29.

where live animals are present, with unrestricted access to footage

:10:30.:10:33.

for Official Vets The aim is to reassure consumers

:10:34.:10:35.

that high welfare standards According to a study

:10:36.:10:43.

at Sheffield Hallam University, while some of England's 260

:10:44.:10:46.

slaughterhouses chose to install CCTV, 'the cameras were by-and-large

:10:47.:10:49.

used to prevent meat theft rather than to protect animals,

:10:50.:10:52.

and the footage was Let's talk now to Kate Fowler,

:10:53.:10:54.

who led an undercover camera investigation into slaughterhouses

:10:55.:11:00.

for Animal Aid. Craig Kirby is from the Association

:11:01.:11:06.

of Independent Meat Suppliers, that represents slaughterhouses

:11:07.:11:08.

and has also worked as a vet in slaughterhouses

:11:09.:11:10.

for 20 years in the past. Thank you both for joining us, tell

:11:11.:11:22.

us first of all about your investigations thank you, it started

:11:23.:11:27.

in 2009 when we put our first fly in the wall camera inside a UK

:11:28.:11:31.

slaughterhouse and we did not have any expectations, it was just out of

:11:32.:11:36.

interest. What we found was very worrying, we did not expect to find

:11:37.:11:40.

lawbreaking but we found it. We did not want to go public... What did

:11:41.:11:49.

you find? There was rough handling, questions over stunning, it was not

:11:50.:11:54.

the worst but we had enough concerns we wanted to continue so we placed

:11:55.:11:59.

two more cameras, the next slaughterhouse was better and the

:12:00.:12:02.

one after that significantly worse so we had a whole range of

:12:03.:12:07.

situations. That is when we went public initially. Since 2009 we have

:12:08.:12:11.

placed cameras in a lot more slaughter houses, 14 in total and we

:12:12.:12:17.

believe all but one were breaking animal welfare laws. How widespread

:12:18.:12:22.

the think issues have been? Almost all of them were breaking laws on

:12:23.:12:25.

the day we had the cameras they are, these were not things you could

:12:26.:12:31.

miss, these work punching pigs in the head, using a shackle hooked in

:12:32.:12:34.

the face of an animal, kicking them in the belly, problems with layout

:12:35.:12:42.

and the handling of animals, it is widespread and serious. Craig is

:12:43.:12:48.

that the picture you recognise? I do not think it is a representative

:12:49.:12:52.

example of the food industry in the UK generally, there is another

:12:53.:12:59.

charity that has done a similar activity inside two or three

:13:00.:13:03.

slaughter houses, there are about 260 in the country and everyone of

:13:04.:13:09.

them has a full-time vet. Why would it be the case these things have

:13:10.:13:13.

been happening in the 14, most of the 14 may have looked that? Most of

:13:14.:13:19.

the footage I saw when I was working for the Food Standards Agency with

:13:20.:13:23.

different skills problem, some were technical breaches which were not

:13:24.:13:26.

causing suffering to the animals, some were things which just did not

:13:27.:13:32.

work, to the uneducated eye the process difficult to digestive

:13:33.:13:36.

think, some of the things were very bad and some people have been

:13:37.:13:41.

brought to task. At the slaughter houses you put cameras in, they had

:13:42.:13:47.

vets so how could this be happening? That's a good question, vets work

:13:48.:13:54.

throughout the slaughterhouse, a lot of them do not appear to be at what

:13:55.:13:58.

we call the business end of events. In all of our footage and I

:13:59.:14:02.

personally have watched maybe 300 hours of footage and we have not

:14:03.:14:05.

seen vets coming into the stunning or slaughter areas all that much. So

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what would you say to that Craig, you have been a vet in a

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slaughterhouse, have you sometimes not been near being able to see it?

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It's about having the right skill and knowledge to understand animals

:14:22.:14:24.

and the slaughtering process and being in the right place at the

:14:25.:14:30.

right time. This is why we support mandatory CCTV as a supportive

:14:31.:14:33.

measure because Bates should be there and abattoir owners have got

:14:34.:14:39.

responsibilities to make sure the animals are handled and killed what

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you mean way possible. If the system was working this would not be

:14:44.:14:49.

happening. CCTV is not the silver bullet to the problem, you have to

:14:50.:14:52.

have people watching it to need to be properly skilled. I think

:14:53.:14:59.

personally the best thing CCTV ads is a training means for abattoir

:15:00.:15:06.

owners to help pick up problems with Staffs bogey staff. It seems unfair

:15:07.:15:10.

we are targeting slaughterhouse staff with government monitored CCTV

:15:11.:15:14.

all the time and no other profession gets this, care home workers are not

:15:15.:15:21.

monitored by CCTV, why are we targeting slaughterhouse workers? Do

:15:22.:15:25.

you think it will make a difference? As Craig is saying it will require a

:15:26.:15:29.

lot of people involved to be across what is coming in.

:15:30.:15:34.

The devil will be in the detail. We are not targeting slaughterhouse

:15:35.:15:41.

workers for no reason, we do not want cameras everywhere but of all

:15:42.:15:44.

the investigations we have found they are not able to comply with the

:15:45.:15:47.

law when they think they are not being watched, so we need better

:15:48.:15:51.

regulation, the current system is clearly not working. We need the

:15:52.:15:55.

cameras monitored independently by somebody with welfare is their

:15:56.:15:59.

priority. We see Association of Independent Meat Suppliers's cameras

:16:00.:16:02.

is a version of independently monitored CCTV. The cameras were

:16:03.:16:24.

placed in the right place, switched on, I and my colleagues watched the

:16:25.:16:28.

footage and reported incidents. That is why so many workers have had

:16:29.:16:30.

licenses removed, why we have had prosecutions and there are more to

:16:31.:16:33.

come and why people have been sent to jail, because the CCTV works, and

:16:34.:16:35.

we hope independently monitored CCTV will do the same thing.

:16:36.:16:38.

Thank you both let me bring you an update on the fire on the Bakerloo

:16:39.:16:40.

line train at Oxford Circus tube station, the Fire Service says it is

:16:41.:16:43.

not being treated as suspicious. Hearing a London Ambulance Service

:16:44.:16:45.

spokesperson saying we were called at 8:53am to reports of an incident

:16:46.:16:48.

on board a Bakerloo line train at Oxford Circus tube, we sent an

:16:49.:16:51.

ambulance crew, the hazardous area response team and an incident

:16:52.:16:55.

response officer to the scene, with the first of the medics arriving in

:16:56.:17:01.

less than five minutes. We four patients at the scene for smoke

:17:02.:17:04.

inhalation and have taken two to hospital as a precaution. There is

:17:05.:17:10.

no information yet as to what caused the smoke.

:17:11.:17:13.

What is the worst airline for flight delays? With the summer getaway

:17:14.:17:17.

getting into the full swing, BBC analysis shows where you will find

:17:18.:17:22.

the longest queues. If you have been now you will probably know! Get in

:17:23.:17:25.

touch if you want to tell us what you have experienced this summer.

:17:26.:17:29.

It's a country which attracts almost 18 million people every year.

:17:30.:17:31.

But now a group protesting against mass tourism in Spain has

:17:32.:17:34.

threatened further attacks after targeting British

:17:35.:17:36.

holiday-makers in Barcelona and Mallorca.

:17:37.:17:37.

A sightseeing bus carrying tourists in the Catalan capital was recently

:17:38.:17:39.

attacked by angry demonstrators who slashed its tyres.

:17:40.:17:42.

They say tourism expels people from their neighbourhoods

:17:43.:17:44.

The group behind the protests, Arran - which has been described

:17:45.:17:52.

by the Spanish Prime Minister as extremists - have said

:17:53.:17:55.

they will be carrying out further action over the summer.

:17:56.:17:57.

So with protests now spreading to other countries like Venice

:17:58.:18:00.

and Dubrovnik in Croatia, how much of an impact will this

:18:01.:18:02.

Let's speak now to Duncan McCann, a researcher at the New Economics

:18:03.:18:09.

And from Madrid Taleb Rifai, who has been the Secretary General

:18:10.:18:13.

of the World Tourism Organization since 2010.

:18:14.:18:21.

Thank you both for joining us. Duncan, first of all, tell us why

:18:22.:18:30.

there is this backlash in some areas, some cities, when obviously

:18:31.:18:34.

tourism has always been a vital part of some local economies? I think it

:18:35.:18:38.

is a variety of reasons for the build-up and why it is reaching its

:18:39.:18:42.

crescendo. I think there has been a long term feeling that economies are

:18:43.:18:47.

not working for people. I think in some of these places which also face

:18:48.:18:51.

pressures of mass tourism, the likes of Airbnb allowing tourists to

:18:52.:18:58.

spread out further and deeper into cities, a change nature of tourism

:18:59.:19:02.

focusing more on city breaks rather than longer holidays and in some of

:19:03.:19:06.

these cities, Venice the best example, the rise of these cruise

:19:07.:19:10.

ships and the impact on these small, old towns. And the concerns around

:19:11.:19:16.

those changes are things like Airbnb, people letting up their

:19:17.:19:20.

places on Airbnb, for instance, putting up rents in cities beyond

:19:21.:19:24.

the affordability of residence. I am trying to understand the impact that

:19:25.:19:32.

Airbnb Empoli can have, especially in places with limited accommodation

:19:33.:19:35.

and regulated rental markets. Barcelona, Berlin, San Francisco are

:19:36.:19:40.

some of the highlights in terms of impact but it definitely spreads of

:19:41.:19:45.

a wider area. Taleb Rifai, what is your reaction to these protests?

:19:46.:19:51.

It's very sad to see that happening, simply because while I agree very

:19:52.:19:57.

much with the professor, we are now because of our inability to manage

:19:58.:20:02.

the situation and make tourism growth a sustainable one, we are

:20:03.:20:05.

sacrificing all the good things that can happen and come out of tourism,

:20:06.:20:10.

the jobs, the benefits, in return for mismanagement. I am fully

:20:11.:20:16.

convinced it is an issue of management and it could be sold. I

:20:17.:20:20.

completely agree with the professor that the cruisers are aggravating

:20:21.:20:26.

the situation in a very great man, but it is not tourism to be blamed.

:20:27.:20:31.

Growth is not the enemy, people are not the enemy, numbers are not the

:20:32.:20:35.

enemy. It is how we manage growth that matters. Or you sympathise with

:20:36.:20:40.

the protesters? Absolutely, absolutely. But I would not be so

:20:41.:20:46.

enthusiastic about it. The same people that are now crying no

:20:47.:20:49.

tourists would be the same ones that will save where are the tourists

:20:50.:20:53.

when they disappear. The benefits that are coming are being ignored

:20:54.:20:57.

and overlooked. The city administrations are the first people

:20:58.:21:02.

to be responsible for that. There are remedies and recipes that we

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could use to be able to deal with the situation, but instead of doing

:21:07.:21:10.

that some of these city administrators are trying to appease

:21:11.:21:18.

the crowds instead of trying to deal with the problem. The easiest way is

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to say stop and activity. That is not the way to do it. What remedies

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would you suggest? For example cruisers would have to be better

:21:27.:21:31.

regulated and stay longer. They stay for a very short period, crowding

:21:32.:21:34.

and consuming the place without giving much benefit to people living

:21:35.:21:39.

there. Cruisers can give coupons to visit people Donegall Place as far

:21:40.:21:43.

away from the centre of the city, they can stop benefiting restaurants

:21:44.:21:46.

and cafes in the city instead of having everybody coming back to the

:21:47.:21:51.

ship. -- they can start benefiting. In a city like Barcelona, if you go

:21:52.:21:57.

just half a kilometre from the city centre, the residents are saying

:21:58.:22:00.

where are the tourists? In fairness if you go one or two kilometres, the

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beautiful countryside, Hills and chapels -- in Venice if you go one

:22:07.:22:11.

or two kilometres. We should have more investment in surrounding areas

:22:12.:22:15.

to defuse the crowds. There are techniques that are very well proven

:22:16.:22:20.

to be working in crowd management, we are not using this. How much

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other issue has the opening up of people's homes to tourists been? It

:22:27.:22:32.

can undercut hotels, it means the city breaks have become much

:22:33.:22:36.

cheaper, cheap flights means a greater influx of people into cities

:22:37.:22:43.

in greater numbers, I suppose? Of course it is an issue, but it is

:22:44.:22:49.

remedies. Airbnb is also having its benefits as well. It is bringing

:22:50.:22:56.

direct interests and benefits to communities and families directly.

:22:57.:22:59.

When you have a building completely occupied by them with a minority of

:23:00.:23:04.

the regional residents, of course you will have a reaction. We have

:23:05.:23:08.

tried to say no more than 20% of any building should be rented out, there

:23:09.:23:13.

are issues that can be done, regulations that can be imposed and

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improved. But we will not stop Airbnb, we will not be able to. We

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will not be able to stop. We had to deal with it, manage it better and

:23:23.:23:28.

approach it more intelligently. Duncan, Taleb outlined some of the

:23:29.:23:32.

things he thinks will make a difference, are there moves to

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introduce measures like that? For instance, maybe with regard to

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Airbnb, Barcelona and Berlin have taken a much more robust attitude to

:23:42.:23:46.

Airbnb, reinforcing the regulations forcing them to compete with the

:23:47.:23:50.

hotel industry on an equal basis. I think you are seeing the start of

:23:51.:23:57.

some authority being reimposed in the system, but Taleb is absolutely

:23:58.:24:01.

right that we need to refocus the benefits of tourism to the local

:24:02.:24:06.

communities rather than having them extracted through these large

:24:07.:24:09.

multinationals that engage in large tours but don't really give back to

:24:10.:24:13.

the local community. That is how we will really move forward. Taleb, are

:24:14.:24:20.

you worried the anger could turn into violence against tourists? It

:24:21.:24:26.

is protests and tyres being slashed at the moment, might it escalate? Of

:24:27.:24:32.

course I am worried. My call is to city administrators, instead of

:24:33.:24:35.

aggravating the situation we can work together. Duncan is correct,

:24:36.:24:43.

Airbnb and the like are ready to cooperate. We should not overlook...

:24:44.:24:49.

One out of every ten jobs in the world as travel and tourism. People

:24:50.:24:58.

that are crying now will be the first to cry at the city mayors and

:24:59.:25:01.

administration when there are motorists, they will say white do we

:25:02.:25:09.

lose that benefit. We should not sacrifice the benefits of a good

:25:10.:25:13.

human activity like travel for the sake of our inability to manage the

:25:14.:25:18.

situation in a proper way. It is a failure of management. Duncan, you

:25:19.:25:26.

can go one a city break very quickly, state in an Airbnb samara

:25:27.:25:30.

is much more quickly when hotels effectively had total control and

:25:31.:25:34.

therefore also controlled numbers. Can this genie be put back on the

:25:35.:25:40.

bottle? I think it will be very challenging, numbers have increased

:25:41.:25:43.

steadily for a very long time, the Chinese market is opening up with a

:25:44.:25:49.

real quantity of tourists wanting to visit Europe and elsewhere, I think

:25:50.:25:53.

you will be very challenging but I think cities need to take back

:25:54.:25:56.

control and places like Bataan actively limit tourist numbers

:25:57.:26:04.

because they really value the local culture, places are trying things.

:26:05.:26:10.

Thailand recently banned some restricted tourists from some

:26:11.:26:13.

specific islands. You are seeing this regaining of control but it

:26:14.:26:17.

will not happen overnight and I think it will be challenging to look

:26:18.:26:21.

at stemming those numbers, but it is not about changing the quality but

:26:22.:26:25.

changing the spread, encouraging people out of the tight city

:26:26.:26:30.

centres, regulating cruisers so you have less mass arrivals who go

:26:31.:26:35.

around very quickly in the city. It is about changing the numbers

:26:36.:26:38.

overall, changing the spread, where they go, how they move within the

:26:39.:26:42.

city, and solutions are out there for these things. Duncan McCann and

:26:43.:26:48.

Taleb Rifai, thank you. And we are staying with travel.

:26:49.:26:49.

We all know that the summer getaway can be a nightmare.

:26:50.:26:51.

Figures from the Civil Aviation Authority analysed by the BBC show

:26:52.:26:54.

that passengers leaving Gatwick have faced the longest average delays

:26:55.:26:57.

When it came to airlines, Easyjet travellers suffered

:26:58.:27:00.

the worst delays among the ten biggest airlines -

:27:01.:27:03.

So what can we expect and what can we do about it?

:27:04.:27:10.

Frank Barrett is the travel editor for the Mail on Sunday.

:27:11.:27:17.

Hi, thank you for joining us. Tell us more about the worst performers.

:27:18.:27:26.

EasyJet seemed to come out as the worst, but as they say in their

:27:27.:27:31.

defence, that is a function of them operating from Gatwick Airport,

:27:32.:27:36.

which is the place you are most likely to suffer delays. It is a bit

:27:37.:27:40.

tough on easyJet, I can say in their defence I have flown with them a few

:27:41.:27:45.

times from Bristol recently and we have been early. If you are delayed

:27:46.:27:52.

it seems like the worst thing on earth, but I would guess the overall

:27:53.:28:01.

picture come out of Gatwick, at least, business has been streamlined

:28:02.:28:06.

to such an extreme that they get to the destination airport and have a

:28:07.:28:09.

20 minute turnaround, there is not much slack. If something is going on

:28:10.:28:14.

it can accumulate throughout the day, but overall I think they do an

:28:15.:28:18.

amazing job. Looking back to where we have come from, it is 40 years

:28:19.:28:22.

ago next month that the sky train started in New York, which ushered

:28:23.:28:26.

in the modern era of cheap air travel. People queued for hours and

:28:27.:28:30.

days to get a cheap tickets, now you can pick them from your mobile phone

:28:31.:28:35.

in a few seconds. We might be getting blase and overexcited that

:28:36.:28:39.

we had to wait ten or 15 minutes to get on a plane or whatever. It might

:28:40.:28:46.

feel churlish to complain when we have such cheap flights, but it can

:28:47.:28:51.

be a huge inconvenience if you are travelling and relying on getting to

:28:52.:28:55.

somewhere at a certain time. Who is to blame. You are talking about the

:28:56.:29:01.

tight turnaround and budget airlines, is that the main culprit?

:29:02.:29:06.

The problem is there are so many things potentially that can delay

:29:07.:29:11.

you, how many times have you waited City people stuck in the bar Origi

:29:12.:29:19.

to free shop and then everybody is tearing their hair out. Lots of

:29:20.:29:23.

things can happen in the procedure of flying, but it looks like it is

:29:24.:29:29.

the outline, but it is a whole number of factors. I am always

:29:30.:29:34.

amazed whenever I fly that the plane takes off and you arrive on time,

:29:35.:29:38.

given what could possibly go wrong. In their favour they are doing a

:29:39.:29:44.

pretty good job. It is tough on the budget airlines, you are being

:29:45.:29:49.

saddled with these quite severe costs after paying compensation. I

:29:50.:29:53.

am all in favour of getting compensation, but if it threatens

:29:54.:29:56.

the business model of the budget airline, I think that is quite

:29:57.:30:00.

worrying as well. A lot of things are into the mix, Brexit is another

:30:01.:30:07.

thing, how will that affect airlines, Britain's relationship

:30:08.:30:10.

with the ATC and everything else that goes on through Europe? Thank

:30:11.:30:13.

you for joining us, Frank Barrett. And you can see how long your summer

:30:14.:30:16.

holiday flight could be delayed by. Just go to our website

:30:17.:30:20.

bbc.co.uk/news, enter the airport you're flight

:30:21.:30:22.

from and your destination, and our online calculator will show

:30:23.:30:24.

you individual airlines' average delays at both airports

:30:25.:30:26.

in the last two years. Still to come, the new Premier

:30:27.:30:41.

League season kicks off tonight, Arsenal take on Leicester City after

:30:42.:30:46.

a summer of big spending. And is back with the new album after a long

:30:47.:30:51.

legal battle with her former producer.

:30:52.:31:16.

James Mattis says the US is still focused on talking. The American

:31:17.:31:26.

effort is diplomatically lead, it has diplomatic traction, it is

:31:27.:31:29.

gaining diplomatic results and I want to stay right there right now,

:31:30.:31:34.

the tragedy of war is well enough known, it does not need another

:31:35.:31:40.

characterisation beyond the fact it would be catastrophic. Lets see what

:31:41.:31:44.

he does with Glam. He does something in

:31:45.:32:03.

The UK may continue to face the threat of Islamist terrorism

:32:04.:32:06.

for another "20 to 30 years" , that's the warning from the former

:32:07.:32:09.

In an interview with the BBC's Today programme, Lord Evans went

:32:10.:32:13.

onto to describe the issue as a "generational problem"

:32:14.:32:15.

and that the UK needed to "persevere" with efforts

:32:16.:32:17.

My guess is that we will still be dealing with the long tail

:32:18.:32:26.

I think this is genuinely a generational problem.

:32:27.:32:29.

I think that we are going to be facing 20 or 30 years

:32:30.:32:32.

of terrorist threats, and therefore we need absolutely

:32:33.:32:34.

Firefighters have closed Oxford Circus Underground station

:32:35.:32:37.

in central London following reports of smoke on a train.

:32:38.:32:40.

London Fire Brigade confirmed that they were at the station

:32:41.:32:46.

the London Ambulance Service is safe four people were treated at the

:32:47.:32:54.

scene for smoke inhalation. The fire is not currently being treated by

:32:55.:32:55.

police as suspicious. Donations made to the victims

:32:56.:32:58.

of the Grenfell Tower fire are not reaching survivors quickly enough,

:32:59.:33:01.

according to campaigners Figures from the Charity Commission

:33:02.:33:03.

show that less than 15% of the ?18.9 million raised has

:33:04.:33:06.

been given to people affected, almost two

:33:07.:33:09.

months after the tragedy - but it says that early difficulties

:33:10.:33:12.

in identifying and contacting those Passengers flying from Gatwick

:33:13.:33:27.

during the last two Summers experienced the longest average

:33:28.:33:29.

delays according to flight data analysed by the BBC. Among the ten

:33:30.:33:36.

biggest airlines EasyJet Travelers suffered the worst hold-ups with an

:33:37.:33:40.

average delay of 24 minutes, both the airport and the airline say many

:33:41.:33:43.

of the problems were beyond their control. That is a summary of the

:33:44.:33:50.

latest BBC News, join me at 11 o'clock for BBC newsroom life.

:33:51.:33:55.

Sports. Busy morning session under way, we

:33:56.:34:06.

have just had the 100 metres heats of the men's decathlon, it was not

:34:07.:34:12.

to be a fairy tale ending for Isaac Makwala in the 200 metre final last

:34:13.:34:16.

night after an incredible few days he could only finish sixth. It was

:34:17.:34:23.

Ramil Guliyev taking gold ahead of the champion at 400 metres and the

:34:24.:34:29.

favourite, Wayde van Niekerk. What a year it has been for Dina

:34:30.:34:34.

Asher-Smith, after breaking her food just six months ago she ran a season

:34:35.:34:38.

's best to make the final of the women's 200 metres. Britain only has

:34:39.:34:43.

one medal so far from a target of 6-8 but there could be a podium

:34:44.:34:50.

finish in the long jump final. And away from the athletics Rory McIlroy

:34:51.:34:53.

said the course played tricky after his opening round at the USPGA

:34:54.:34:58.

championship in North he dropped three shots to finish the day five

:34:59.:35:04.

shots behind the leaders Thorbjorn Olesen and Kevin Kisner.

:35:05.:35:10.

The new Premier League season gets under way tonight,

:35:11.:35:12.

with Arsenal taking on Leicester at the Emirates Stadium

:35:13.:35:14.

It's been another summer of huge spending in the transfer market.

:35:15.:35:19.

Let's take you through a few of the big money buys

:35:20.:35:22.

Manchester United signed the striker Romelu Lukaku

:35:23.:35:25.

Alvaro Morata went from Real Madrid to Chelsea for ?60 million.

:35:26.:35:34.

And Alexandre Lacazette arrived at Arsenal for ?52 million from Lyon.

:35:35.:35:39.

That doesn't even take into account the top spending club -

:35:40.:35:43.

Manchester City - who've dished out a whopping ?212 million pounds

:35:44.:35:46.

on players, and the transfer window hasn't even closed yet!

:35:47.:35:48.

So will the money make any difference to the

:35:49.:35:51.

And away from the biggest spenders there are two clubs who've never

:35:52.:35:55.

Brighton and Huddersfield Town are the newcomers to the league,

:35:56.:36:00.

To discuss all of this and more Pat Nevin, the former

:36:01.:36:07.

Chelsea player and pundit, Rory Smith, who writes

:36:08.:36:09.

for the New York Times, Akhil Vyas from the Arsenal Supporters Trust

:36:10.:36:13.

and Paul Hollas, a Huddersfield Town fan who's got tickets to the game

:36:14.:36:16.

Thank you all very much for joining asked, Paul we will start with you

:36:17.:36:29.

because it is a big deal. Echoes, the biggest season for the club in

:36:30.:36:36.

probably 40 years, 50 years. We have done, we have got no expectations, a

:36:37.:36:42.

lot of pundits have us as relegation fodder and that puts no pressure on

:36:43.:36:46.

us, we have got no limits, we will go and have a go. A comfortable

:36:47.:36:53.

position to be in but you must be thinking, Leicester City? We had the

:36:54.:36:57.

same thing last year, we were tipped to be relegated, we had one of the

:36:58.:37:01.

smallest budgets in the championship but still got promoted. We will do

:37:02.:37:05.

what we can, we are not there to make up the numbers. Who ever anyone

:37:06.:37:11.

supports we love it when the underdog does well so we wish you

:37:12.:37:16.

the best. Pat Nevin, huge amount of money spent on transverse, has it

:37:17.:37:21.

got out of hand? We have been saying this for 20 years maybe more. The

:37:22.:37:28.

money does look a bit stupid, there is no moral argument and I would not

:37:29.:37:32.

make one but it is a market and at the moment the market seems oddly

:37:33.:37:35.

enough to be working because so much money is coming in from the

:37:36.:37:39.

broadcast rights and advertising, coming to the door as well but that

:37:40.:37:46.

appears to be much less of a part of it. I cannot see any obvious

:37:47.:37:50.

stalling of the money, it might do one day but they are a big sums of

:37:51.:37:56.

money, some of the headlines I don't agree with necessarily. Huge sums

:37:57.:38:02.

spent by one club, look at the net spending, they are getting money in

:38:03.:38:08.

from sales, well over ?1 billion spent by Premier League clubs but

:38:09.:38:12.

when you look at the net figure it is less than half of that. Having

:38:13.:38:19.

said that it is still a lot. Is the quality of football getting better?

:38:20.:38:23.

Not necessarily. I think it will be a bit better this season because the

:38:24.:38:28.

top teams were in transition last season, Manchester City, and even

:38:29.:38:34.

though Chelsea won the league they did not have Champions League to put

:38:35.:38:38.

them off, teams like Manchester United are much closer to the place

:38:39.:38:43.

they want to be. Does not seem stylish to say at the moment but I

:38:44.:38:48.

am looking forward to it and it will be exciting. Rory what do you think

:38:49.:38:54.

as we head into the new season? I tend to agree with Pat at the moment

:38:55.:38:59.

you have the top six who will be slightly better on the broad look

:39:00.:39:05.

because of the players they have signs and then you have the

:39:06.:39:08.

remaining, Everton in a league of their own and then the remaining 13

:39:09.:39:12.

clubs who are trying to survive relegation, Huddersfield, I don't

:39:13.:39:18.

think they should look at it with any great trepidation because there

:39:19.:39:20.

are a lot of teams in the Premier League who are not exactly world

:39:21.:39:24.

beaters. What we have seen this summer is they are paying huge sums

:39:25.:39:28.

of money, inflated sums of money for the same players they would have

:39:29.:39:32.

signed two years ago, three years ago, the quality is is less but I

:39:33.:39:38.

think it'll be more exciting the last two or three. What have

:39:39.:39:45.

Huddersfield spent on players? I think about 40 million so far. And

:39:46.:39:50.

some might become more valuable during the course of the season?

:39:51.:39:56.

Absolutely, put it in context, last season our biggest outlay was 1.8

:39:57.:40:00.

million so we broke our transfer record four times in the summer

:40:01.:40:05.

window which is good. You are an Arsenal fan so you are used to these

:40:06.:40:13.

big figures. More than Huddersfield Broadway, yeah. How are you feeling

:40:14.:40:20.

going into the season? Interesting, we started well, signing a left back

:40:21.:40:23.

and a centre forward, we have kept our best players at the moment,

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Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil. If we can start well we have got three

:40:30.:40:33.

tough games, the window closes and our best players are still here then

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we can be optimistic. When you go into a new season you have to be

:40:38.:40:43.

optimistic. A lot happened at Arsenal last season, I think it is

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time for fans to get behind the team and keeping our best players is the

:40:50.:40:54.

key for me. What do you think about the huge sums of money being spent

:40:55.:40:59.

on football and players Pat there never seems to be a backlash? There

:41:00.:41:07.

are some, there will be a moral backlash in certain places. It

:41:08.:41:10.

depends what hat I am wearing when I am having the discussion, as former

:41:11.:41:16.

chairman of the PFA if there is huge money, that is the workers doing the

:41:17.:41:23.

work, but I don't think there is a great moral justification to say

:41:24.:41:26.

someone should be paid these horrendous sums of money. However it

:41:27.:41:30.

is a market and if you are willing to live in a market, my background

:41:31.:41:34.

is economic same way so I would say that. But what it's bringing into

:41:35.:41:40.

the country, what it is selling, how this league sells around the world,

:41:41.:41:44.

I sound as if I am a promoter for the Premier League when I am not for

:41:45.:41:49.

a lot of the time because there are weaknesses but looking at the model

:41:50.:41:53.

I have to say 15 years ago I would be telling you everything has ups

:41:54.:41:58.

and downs. Yet the property market or the economy, football must have

:41:59.:42:02.

that as well. When you look at the players and the amount of money some

:42:03.:42:07.

of them get, even graduate, do you think they are worth it, do you

:42:08.:42:11.

think, what do you think it does to players on the pitch? I'm not sure

:42:12.:42:17.

what it does to them on the pitch but do we begrudge it? For example

:42:18.:42:22.

at Arsenal, media reports telling us Alexis Sanchez once double his

:42:23.:42:28.

wages, the moral side you would think is anybody worth that but at

:42:29.:42:30.

the same time Arsenal need Alexis Sanchez to play for the club. We

:42:31.:42:36.

accept that as fans, if it's the money he wants its the money we will

:42:37.:42:41.

have to pay him. We are in a bit of a situation where we cannot have

:42:42.:42:46.

morals because we want our clubs to win. What do you think Paul? It is a

:42:47.:42:52.

lot of money, I am from up north and there is not a lot of money up north

:42:53.:42:55.

in a lot of areas but at the same token they are top of their

:42:56.:42:59.

profession and lots of other professions earn top money. People

:43:00.:43:01.

pay what they are worth but the pressure is on them to perform. And

:43:02.:43:08.

they do not always and when they do not people say particularly in the

:43:09.:43:13.

national context questions asked if they are hungry enough. I think

:43:14.:43:17.

that's a great question and it's one of the difficulties you have with

:43:18.:43:20.

younger players coming through, if you are making them comfortable for

:43:21.:43:25.

life when they are 90 years of age, you say stay hungry but that easy,

:43:26.:43:29.

when you have everything you want, the car and the life you want, and

:43:30.:43:33.

everyone is telling you you are the best in the world, you are the bee's

:43:34.:43:40.

knees, you take that into your head and it's hard to take yourself back

:43:41.:43:44.

out to normality. When I was playing the game I saw it myself but the

:43:45.:43:49.

good ones have the talent and the right psychology, they keep moving

:43:50.:43:55.

on, and end up being the best because if you iron ?150,000 a week

:43:56.:44:00.

you have probably had to be hungry to get there. Great to talk to you

:44:01.:44:06.

all, thank you. Get in touch with your thoughts in the usual ways.

:44:07.:44:08.

It's just over a month since six-year-old Bradley Lowery

:44:09.:44:11.

died after battling a rare form of cancer.

:44:12.:44:13.

The Sunderland fan won a legion of supporters across the country,

:44:14.:44:16.

Now, in his first interview since Bradley's death,

:44:17.:44:19.

Jermain told the BBC how he's been inspired by his "best mate".

:44:20.:44:27.

They were best friends and it was a friendship

:44:28.:44:29.

which captured the hearts of everyone.

:44:30.:44:30.

I have a nice picture in the house of me and Bradley

:44:31.:44:33.

He loved me, I loved him and after seeing his eyes,

:44:34.:44:56.

it was genuine because he was a child.

:44:57.:44:58.

There was nothing I could give him apart from just being a friend.

:44:59.:45:06.

Even towards the end, when he was really struggling

:45:07.:45:11.

and he couldn't really move, I would walk into the room

:45:12.:45:16.

and he would just jump up and his mum said,

:45:17.:45:19.

"He hasn't moved all day," so yeah, it was a special feeling.

:45:20.:45:24.

The emotion is still raw but the impact the little boy has

:45:25.:45:27.

The Bournemouth striker says it is a gift and he will

:45:28.:45:32.

I always wake up thinking, you know, if you don't feel well,

:45:33.:45:41.

Because I can see little kids suffer like that and still fight,

:45:42.:45:46.

to me, there is no bigger motivation.

:45:47.:45:50.

If he could go through that and fight.

:45:51.:45:58.

You walked out with him so many times.

:45:59.:46:02.

But was that England moment the best?

:46:03.:46:05.

I came down the tunnel, gave him a cuddle.

:46:06.:46:12.

Joe Hart said to me, you walk the team out.

:46:13.:46:16.

For him to do that, that was special.

:46:17.:46:18.

And we walked out, standing there, singing the national anthem.

:46:19.:46:24.

Being involved in the squad and actually playing, and scoring...

:46:25.:46:31.

For me, it's one of the best moments of my career.

:46:32.:46:37.

You can see the whole of Juliette Ferrington's

:46:38.:46:39.

interview with Jermain Defoe on Football Focus

:46:40.:46:41.

We are in the middle of the school holidays, which means a chance to

:46:42.:46:53.

rest, recuperate and have fun with friends and family for many. But for

:46:54.:46:59.

the children who escaped the Grenfell tower fire, summer has

:47:00.:47:04.

brought shock. Around 600 children from the Grenfell Tower

:47:05.:47:06.

neighbourhood have been referred to mental health services in the

:47:07.:47:10.

aftermath of the fire. Just how well are these children coping? Ashley

:47:11.:47:16.

Jean-Baptiste Dubie with 112-year-old survivor, and his

:47:17.:47:21.

adoptive grandmother. They went swimming at the leisure centre close

:47:22.:47:22.

to their former home. He lived on the first

:47:23.:47:32.

floor of Grenfell Tower with his adoptive grandmother,

:47:33.:47:37.

Rumayatu Mamudu. They escaped the tower

:47:38.:47:45.

during the night of the fire, and eight weeks on, Tyrshondre has

:47:46.:47:48.

broken up from school It's the summer holiday,

:47:49.:47:50.

how's it going? Does it at all feel different not

:47:51.:47:53.

being at the home you're used to? Can you tell me what toys

:47:54.:47:59.

you lost in the fire? My piano, my Wii Fit Plus,

:48:00.:48:03.

my Wii console, everything. What do you miss

:48:04.:48:07.

about your old home? It's been eight weeks

:48:08.:48:10.

since you lost your home. To tell you the truth,

:48:11.:48:28.

I think things are getting worse. If we had a little bit

:48:29.:48:34.

of attention as survivors, we would now be getting

:48:35.:48:37.

ready for closure. We have support from the society,

:48:38.:48:47.

from the charity organisation, If only the government would do

:48:48.:48:53.

their best to give us a roof. He wakes up in the night,

:48:54.:48:58.

he's afraid there might be a fire. So the fear is still in him,

:48:59.:49:07.

until we have a place Does it feel like the normal

:49:08.:49:17.

summer holiday for you? No, it can never feel

:49:18.:49:22.

like a normal summer holiday. I have been offered to go

:49:23.:49:28.

on holiday, but how could you go on holiday when you are not sure

:49:29.:49:32.

what you are coming back to? Have you got used to living

:49:33.:49:42.

in a hotel with your grandson? A hotel is supposed to be temporary

:49:43.:49:47.

accommodation for travellers. I was offered a place two weeks ago,

:49:48.:49:50.

outside my borough. I've spent 46 years of my

:49:51.:49:58.

life in this borough. My five children were born

:49:59.:50:03.

in this borough, they went So I don't see why I should be

:50:04.:50:06.

moved out of my borough. How are you making sure

:50:07.:50:14.

that your grandson's OK? Well, I tried to see some

:50:15.:50:33.

consultants, to talk to them, Is it getting tiring having

:50:34.:50:35.

these chats and feeling Everything done repeatedly

:50:36.:50:42.

without any result is boring. But to go back to that

:50:43.:50:49.

same hotel, I just feel sick going there every

:50:50.:50:51.

day, every day... Are you looking forward

:50:52.:50:54.

to going back to school? We are alive, which is most

:50:55.:51:10.

important, and we have We will try our best

:51:11.:51:23.

to look after one another. Tyrshondre and his grandmother

:51:24.:51:57.

talking to Ashley. This week and will's fastest man Usain Bolt takes

:51:58.:52:00.

part in his final competitive race at the world athletics Championships

:52:01.:52:05.

in London before retiring. During his career the sprinter has won

:52:06.:52:08.

eight Olympic gold medal 's and holds a 100 and 200 metre world

:52:09.:52:13.

records. Earlier I spoke to Ben Bloom of the Telegraph, 13-year-old

:52:14.:52:17.

via red, a Usain Bolt van, along with her father, and the three-time

:52:18.:52:22.

Olympic medallist sprinter Kriss Akabusi, who explained what kind of

:52:23.:52:28.

legacy Bolt will be. He is an icon of the sport, ranked alongside

:52:29.:52:34.

Moses, Lord Coe, Daley Thompson, Michael Johnson, Bubka. These guys

:52:35.:52:43.

are icons of the sport. Usain is the icon of his day and has surpassed

:52:44.:52:47.

some of those guys, inasmuch as he has won three Olympic golds in track

:52:48.:52:53.

and field events, phenomenal. Vera, you have been inspired by Usain

:52:54.:52:59.

Bolt. What was it and when did it happen? I first saw him when he beat

:53:00.:53:03.

the world record in 2008, I could see it was through hard work and

:53:04.:53:07.

determination that he put in to get where he is today, to be the fastest

:53:08.:53:10.

man. What impact has it had on you? It has

:53:11.:53:24.

taught me to work harder, I could always come back stronger if I

:53:25.:53:27.

worked harder for the next race. What are you doing in athletics? 200

:53:28.:53:30.

metres, it is going well so far. It is always nice when a child has a

:53:31.:53:33.

role model to look up to that can help to propel them forward? Of

:53:34.:53:40.

course. My family have a lot of interest in sports, and is glad that

:53:41.:53:44.

it is always their duty and obligation to support them in any

:53:45.:53:51.

form -- always my duty and obligation. Taking them from one

:53:52.:53:55.

place to another, financially and otherwise. Ben, he is an athlete who

:53:56.:54:00.

does not seem to have put a foot wrong, people love him and he has

:54:01.:54:06.

performed amazingly? People do, I would take it a step forward than

:54:07.:54:10.

what Chris said, he named some of the greats that athletics has had

:54:11.:54:15.

over the years, they are big within the sport and somewhat transcend the

:54:16.:54:18.

sport, athletics has never had anyone like Usain Bolt before he was

:54:19.:54:23.

bigger than the sport. You can say the name Bolt anywhere in the world

:54:24.:54:28.

and they will know who this man is. Jason has said inspiring is a term

:54:29.:54:33.

used lightly, Usain Bolt has set the world alight and inspired millions,

:54:34.:54:38.

myself included. Steve said my family is by me, I

:54:39.:54:43.

don't need sporting people for inspiration, the UK make too much of

:54:44.:54:48.

a deal about sportspeople. Taylor Swift appeared in court

:54:49.:54:51.

yesterday to testify against a DJ she said put his hand up her skirt

:54:52.:54:55.

and grabbed her backside. She has asked for a symbolic $1 in damages,

:54:56.:55:00.

our entertainment reporter Chi Chi Izundu is here with more. What is

:55:01.:55:05.

she claiming? This is quite complicated, initially this happened

:55:06.:55:11.

back in 2013 and the DJ actually sued Taylor Swift because of the

:55:12.:55:15.

allegation. She has since countersued him. She claims that

:55:16.:55:21.

they were taking a picture backstage at one of her concerts and he put

:55:22.:55:26.

his hand behind her skirt and grabbed her backside. In court she

:55:27.:55:30.

basically said it was a definite grabber, a very long grab, it was

:55:31.:55:35.

intentional, he latched onto her backside. David Mueller, the DJ

:55:36.:55:41.

being accused of doing this, told the court that he may have made an

:55:42.:55:48.

innocent physical contact like brushing her arm or torso but he has

:55:49.:55:55.

denied any inappropriate behaviour. Taylor said security had seen him

:55:56.:56:01.

actually grab her backside and lift my skirt but only a person on the

:56:02.:56:05.

floor looking up my skirt would have seen the fallout, and of course we

:56:06.:56:09.

did not have someone in that position. Her testimony was very

:56:10.:56:15.

direct. Is there any evidence to back up? This whole court case hangs

:56:16.:56:19.

on a picture, and the picture is what is being used as Taylor Swift's

:56:20.:56:24.

evidence. Her mum gave testimony, her mum as part of her management

:56:25.:56:28.

team, she said because it happened and what they call a meeting greed,

:56:29.:56:33.

where artists meet and greet fans after a concert, she said they have

:56:34.:56:38.

made that much smaller, they have added metal detectors, note the use

:56:39.:56:41.

metal wants to one's people when they come in and they do background

:56:42.:56:51.

checks on people before Taylor meets any fans, she said it totally

:56:52.:56:53.

absolutely shattered their trust. Mueller's lawyer told Taylor Swift

:56:54.:56:59.

at one point why could she not reported when it happened? Taylor

:57:00.:57:03.

Swift said your clients could have taken a normal picture with me

:57:04.:57:06.

instead of her having to reported. She said she did not at the time

:57:07.:57:10.

because she had other fans to meet and did not want to disappoint them,

:57:11.:57:15.

but two days later Mueller was fired from his $150,000 a year job after

:57:16.:57:27.

she reported it, that is when she took the counteraction. She wants to

:57:28.:57:31.

highlight it is not OK. During her testimony yesterday she said to his

:57:32.:57:35.

lawyer I will not allow you or your client to make me feel in any way

:57:36.:57:40.

that it is my fault. She wants to highlight it is an issue that

:57:41.:57:43.

happens to women all around the world and it is not OK. She is

:57:44.:57:50.

asking for just a dollar. Thank you for dating is. Oxford Circus tube

:57:51.:57:56.

station has reopened, it was temporarily closed earlier after

:57:57.:57:59.

there was smoke on a bacon blue line train at Oxford Circus. We have had

:58:00.:58:04.

pictures coming through social media and we spoke to one of the

:58:05.:58:08.

passengers who saw the smoke in the carriage. It is not clear what

:58:09.:58:12.

caused the smoke to be there but four people were treated for smoke

:58:13.:58:18.

inhalation and it has not been treated as suspicious. Thank you for

:58:19.:58:22.

your company today, I will be here every day next week, in the meantime

:58:23.:58:26.

have a lovely afternoon and a good weekend. Goodbye.

:58:27.:58:42.

Good morning. Looking pretty nice at the moment across the south-east of

:58:43.:58:46.

England, but for

:58:47.:58:48.

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