11/08/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Friday 11th August, it's nine o'clock.

I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme.

War would be catastrophic - the words of American Defence

Secretary James Mattis as he insists the US is trying to solve the North

Korea crisis through diplomacy, but President Trump

He does something in Guam, it will be an event the likes of which

nobody 's seen before. The tragedy of war is well enough known, it does

not need a number characterisation beyond the fact it would be

catastrophic. We'll be live from Seoul

with the latest. Also millions of pounds raised for

the victims of the Grenfell Tower tragedy are not getting to people

quick enough. People are still trying to rebuild their lives and we

look at the effect on the children in particular caught up in the

horror of what happened in June, one youngster told us he lost everything

dear to him. My Wii Fit Plus, my Wii

console, everything. What do you miss

about your old home? You can hear from Tyshondrey

and his grandmother just after 9am. And as four supermarkets continue to

remove salads and some juice containing eggs the body which

represents the British egg industry says there is anger that potentially

contaminated eggs have been imported from Dutch farms. We will explain

what the risk is and why this has happened.

Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

This weekend sees the legend that is Usain Bolt take part

in his final competitive race before retiring - he has inspired thousands

of people and we are talking to one teenager who took up running

It could be someone from sport or from something else entirely, let us

know. Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning - Our top story today -

US Defence Secretary James Mattis says war with North Korea would be

catastrophic, despite increasingly heated words

from President Donald Trump. Mr Trump warned that the North

Korean regime should be "very, very nervous" if they acted

against the US territory of Guam - but Mr Mattis said the US

was still focussed on talking. The American effort

is diplomatically lead, it has diplomatic traction,

it is claiming diplomatic results. I want to stay right there,

right now, the tragedy of war is well enough known,

it doesn't need another characterisation beyond the fact

that it would be catastrophic. He does something in Guam,

it will be an event the likes of which nobody's seen before,

what will happen in North Korea. Our correspondent Robin Brant

is in Seoul in South Korea. What is this sense there of where

this is going? Firstly, what a contrast in tone from those men. I

think people here have lived with the prospect, the potential of the

conflict with neighbours to the north, the border is 35 miles from

where I am sitting, for decades. You hear this a lot but life does go on,

there has been no change in status here. The language coming from

Donald Trump, some thought he could not go any further than the fire and

fury but he seemed to do that last night which is unsettling in

particular for people living here so close to North Korea but I think

they will be assured by other comments made by the President who

said he did not think North Korea could go around threatening the

United States and its allies Japan and South Korea, which reminds

people of the close military alliance the United States has with

South Korea, it is crucial for protecting and defending this

country. If you listen to the words of James Mattis who talked about the

diplomatic effort to try to de-escalates what's going on, this

country elected a new president who is more consolatory in his tone and

who envisages it some point trying to bring the North back around the

negotiating table. There are some suggestions that perhaps it is time

for South Korea to arm itself with its own nuclear weapons, is that

being seriously with that? I think for now, in the immediate timescale,

South Korea's security depends on its close alliance with the United

States and the United States effort to maintain a regional alliance with

Japan, another crucial member, Australia not director under threat,

Malcolm Turnbull talking about Australia living up to its treaty

commitments if the United States was attacked. That regional compact is

crucial for South Korea. South Korea in the past has had the beginnings

of a nuclear weapons programme, as has Japan, but pressure from the US

saw those programmes go away. The new president envisages perhaps

further down the road having negotiations once again with the

North. That is where he wants to go. Thank you very much. Let's get the

latest on the rest of today's news. The UK may continue to face

the threat of Islamist terrorism That's the warning from the former

head of MI5, Lord Evans. In an interview with the BBC's

Today Programme, Lord Evans went onto to describe the issue

as a generational problem and that the UK needed

to persevere with efforts My guess is that we will still be

dealing with the long tail I think this is genuinely

a generational problem. I think that we are going to be

facing 20 or 30 years of terrorist threats,

and therefore we need absolutely Police investigating the European

egg contamination scandal have arrested two company directors

following raids in the Netherlands. Here the Food Standards Agency has

revealed that 700,000 contaminated eggs have been imported

from Dutch farms, but it insists it is highly unlikely they pose any

risk to human health. Sandwiches and salads are among

the foods that have now been removed from UK supermarket shelves,

as Natasha Emerson reports. Millions of eggs destroyed,

supermarkets scrambling Two men have been held by Dutch

police over batches of poisonous Fipronil, a pesticide

commonly used to kill lice and fleas on pets,

has made its way Earlier this week,

the Food Standards Agency said 21,000 contaminated eggs had been

imported to the UK. Now, it thinks it could be

as many as 700,000. But that's still only a fraction

of the 34 million we eat each day. And the Agency said you would have

to eat 10,000 contaminated Our assessment is that it is

unlikely there is any public health risk but we think people deserve but

Bury food they can trust. So far, some salads and sandwiches

sold by these four supermarkets have been withdrawn from sale,

but whole eggs are safe. Despite those reassurances,

the scandal continues to spread through Europe,

with 11 countries now Millions of eggs will be

destroyed, as will hundreds Four years ago, horsemeat was found

in burgers and ready-meals. Once again, questions

are being raised about what goes into our processed foods

and where it comes from. Officials hope the contaminated eggs

will be out of the food chain soon, but the investigation into Europe's

latest food scandal is likely One of the former aides

to Brexit Secretary David Davis has said that leaving the EU will be

a calamity for our country. Speaking to the Today Programme

this morning, he said that the Conservatives had been

badly damaged by the process - and that promises made to voters

during the referendum were false. People have voted for Brexit and,

yes, most people do now think, "Well, let's just get on with it,

we've made the decision," but Where is the ?350 million a week

for the health service? It's going to be a calamity

for our country. Donations made to the victims

of the Grenfell Tower fire are not reaching survivors quickly enough,

according to campaigners Figures from the Charity Commission

show that less than 15% of the ?18.9 million raised has

been given to people affected almost two months

after the tragedy - but it says that early difficulties

in identifying and contacting those Passengers flying from Gatwick

during the last two summers experienced the longest average

delays, according to flight data Among the ten biggest airlines,

easyJet travellers suffered the worst hold ups, with an average

delay of 24 minutes. Both the airport and the airline say

many of the problems CCTV cameras will be compulsory

in all abattoirs in England, under new plans announced

by the Environment Vets working for the Food Standards

Agency will be given unrestricted access to footage

from all areas containing livestock. Abattoirs with failing

standards of care could face a criminal investigation

or lose staff licences. We like to think that the food

we eat is produced in Now Britain is on its way out

of the European Union, the Government is reviewing

standards. One idea, make it compulsory for

abattoirs in England to have CCTV. I think this is a very important

animal welfare measure, and I think it gives even greater

confidence to the consumer both at home and abroad

that British produce, British meat is achieved

at the highest possible standards during their life and at the time

of the animal's death. It's hoped cameras will reduce

abuse suffered by animals This video was filmed in an abattoir

as part of an investigation Much of the charity's of the footage

is too graphic to show. It's a really vital tool for helping

to stop the kind of appalling gratuitous violence and abuse

that we filmed repeatedly in slaughterhouses during our

undercover investigations. And it's not just the mandatory CCTV

itself that's so important, but also the Independent monitoring

of the footage. We're really urging the Government

to introduce that in order to ensure that slaughterhouses

are properly spot checked. The Government has faced questions

over what future trade deals post By enforcing cameras

in slaughterhouses, ministers hope to reassure us

that they are committed to the highest standards

and animal welfare. There has been a fall in the shares

of the company which owned Snapchat. The number of users was lower than

expected and market analysts say the company has been struggling with

fierce competition from rivals such as Facebook's Instagram.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30am.

We are just getting reports from London Fire Brigade today are

investigating reports of a fire on a train at Oxford Circus underground,

the Bakerloo line affected and the line is suspended we are hearing.

Oxford Circus is closed due to a fire alert, smoke seen coming from a

carriage. These are initial reports, no further detail on that at the

moment but we will stay across those reports and keep you updated. Let us

know what you think about the eggs scare, XP and withdrawn from most of

the eggs we buy on the shelves are British Lion, British produced eggs.

Jerome Taylor has said on Twitter that the crisis has been created by

the media, there is no public health risk. And adulthood have to keep

seven eggs in 24 hours to exceed the level of risk chemical presents to

us so let us know what you think about that, how worried are you

about that crisis? Let me see, the latest from London Fire Brigade on

what is happening at Oxford Circus, they say crews have been called to

Oxford Circus station to investigate reports of smoke, more information

soon. We will keep you updated on that.

The incredible story surrounding Isaac Makwala

at the World Athletics Championships didn't have a fairytale

We have been talking about him a lot this week, he missed the 400 metre

final after being banned from running and that was on medical

grounds and he was not even allowed at one point into the London

Stadium. He then had to run a solo time trial in the rain to qualify

for the 200 metres on Wednesday and I guess it all looks to have taken

its toll. He finished sixth in the end but it was of Turkey who won in

the end ahead of Wayde van Niekerk, it was so close at the finish line,

his first World Championship gold. Tell us about Dina Asher-Smith, she

had a nasty injury but has made it through to the 200 metres final?

Yes, she has had a really bad year with injury, an injury to her fruit

but she has got a place in the women's two and metre final, running

her second best of 22.73 to finish second and is among five British

athletes who have a shot at medals, let's wasn't what she had to say. I

completely broke my foot which is not great, they had to have surgery

to put screws in, six weeks not doing anything, not putting any

weight on it and then gradually putting weight on it, for three

months I basically could not even what, but I learned how to walk

again and here we are, it wasn't that bad! I am joking, I would not

recommend it, it was not fun. It is great that she has come back

so well. Laura Muir looked completely

exhausted after her 5,000 metres Good girl she even collapsed to the

ground, she has been quite busy during the championship, finishing

fourth in the 1500 metres. She finished... Qualified as a fastest

loser. She will run alongside Hamish McColgan, who ran her personal best

of 15 minutes and 18 seconds. Katarina Johnson-Thompson organ

like, the high jumpers, made the final. So something positive, a late

surge from Great Britain and some more medals.

the Premier League is back tonight - and Alan Shearer has been pretty

outspoken about clubs not giving English youngsters a chance.

It has come around quickly. We had the women's you rose, that kept our

appetite going, Alan Shearer not holding back. He is essentially

saying that more young players need to be given a chance at the top

clubs. He does not believe that is happening at the moment and it will

have a big impact on Premier League success in the future, including he

says the success of the under 20s squad. That will not help him...

That get top spots in big clubs, winning the World Cup. We will see

Arsenal taking on Leicester in the opener, so lots to look forward to.

That is all from me for now, I will have more at 9:30am. Thank you.

We are staying across reports we are getting about a train appearing to

be on fire at the Bakerloo line at Oxford Circus. We will keep you

updated as soon as we get any more. Two months on since the Grenfell

Tower fire in west London, campaigners have said donations

are not reaching Charity Commission figures show that

less than 15% of the ?18.9m raised has been given to people

who lost their homes and loved ones, and it's not just those who have

to provide for their families For most children it's

now the holidays - meaning a time to rest,

recuperate and have fun But for those children who escaped

the Grenfell Tower fire - the summer has brought a stinging

wave of trauma and shock. Around 600 people including 100

children from the Grenfell Tower neighbourhood have been referred

to mental health services in the aftermath of the fire,

new figures show. Just how well are these

children coping? Our reporter Ashley John-Baptiste

has caught up with 12-year-old Grenfell survivor Tyrshondre,

and his adoptive grandmother, Rumayatu Mamudu as they went

swimming at the leisure centre close He lived on the first

floor of Grenfell Tower with his adoptive grandmother,

Rumayatu Mamudu. They escaped the tower

during the night of the fire, and eight weeks on, Tyrshondre has

broken up from school It's the summer holiday,

how's it going? Does it at all feel different not

being at the home you're used to? Can you tell me what toys

you lost in the fire? My piano, my Wii Fit Plus,

my Wii console, everything. What do you miss

about your old home? It's been eight weeks

since you lost your home. To tell you the truth,

I think things are getting worse. If we had a little bit

of attention as survivors, we would now be getting

ready for closure. We have support from the society,

from the charity organisation, If only the government would do

their best to give us a roof. He wakes up in the night,

he's afraid there might be a fire. So the fear is still in him,

until we have a place Does it feel like the normal

summer holiday for you? No, it can never feel

like a normal summer holiday. I have been offered to go

on holiday, but how could you go on holiday when you are not sure

what you are coming back to? Have you got used to living

in a hotel with your grandson? A hotel is supposed to be temporary

accommodation for travellers. I was offered a place two weeks ago,

outside my borough. I've spent 46 years of my

life in this borough. My five children were born

in this borough, they went So I don't see why I should be

moved out of my borough. How are you making sure

that your grandson's OK? Well, I tried to see some

consultants, to talk to them, Is it getting tiring having

these chats and feeling Everything done repeatedly

without any result is boring. But to go back to that

same hotel, I just feel sick going there every

day, every day... Are you looking forward

to going back to school? We are alive, which is most

important, and we have We will try our best

to look after one another. That has Tyrshondre and his

grandmother talking about how they have been coping in the aftermath of

the fire. So exactly what mental health

and trauma support should children who survived

the Grenfell fire receive? Here to give us some

insight is Dr Gary Wannan - a consultant child and adolescent

psychiatrist. Thanks very much for coming in. We

were hearing that Tyrshondre keeps waking up in the night afraid of

fire, is it always obvious if a child has suffered a trauma as a

result of something they have been through? It is not always obvious,

but hearing about Tyrshondre and about him waking in the night and

being upset, we really need to help him. I am based in a clinic not far

from where he lives and we would love to meet that family and any

other family affected by the trauma of Grenfell. At this stage, we

passed what we would call the watchful waiting periods for

children experiencing symptoms like that who are distressed, it is

really important that we help. What is the watchful waiting period? In

the first four to six weeks we expect children, young people,

adults to be quite understandably upset by what has happened. And

during that time getting on with what parents would usually do to

help children, provide comfort, do the normal things with them. We

would usually expect to and symptoms with that to go down. But for a

childlike Tyrshondre who at this stage is waking up at night quite

upset, we would really want to meet that family and to work out the best

way to help. Is it possible that some kids and adults will have gone

through that without any lasting impact, or should everybody be

getting mental health help at the moment? I think everybody is

different. For some people they can go through a trauma, use the support

they have around them and come through that without needing to get

professional help. The last thing I would want to do is to say that

everybody needs to meet a professional. Many people have good

coping mechanisms and good support around them. What about the way it

is being done. It is difficult for individuals to assess sometimes

whether what their experience and requires professional help or

whether they should just get through it. Are the services reaching out to

these people in the way that they should just to make sure anybody in

the situation where they really need help is actually getting at? With

the first of those things, for people who are unsure, it is much

better to be in touch and seek advice about whether to get

treatment or not. In terms of being out there, as well as having a

dedicated phone line and meeting young people and families in the

clinic I work in, we have gone out and visited people at home, there

have been public clinics and activities where people have been

able to join in and meet children and young people that way, we have

been in schools, in the emergency centres, we have wanted to get in

the community where people are to make sure the help they can get.

Your team has helped around 100 kids, what issues have been coming

up? There has been quite a variety. For some people it has been

reassuring parents and carers that they are doing a good job. At the

other end we have seen some severely affected children and young people

who have needed to begin quite specific treatments for the trauma

experienced. What would be an indication where somebody is

severely affected, is that the type of thing we are hearing about from

Tyrshondre, waking up in a night afraid of fire? Adult fears that

will Maher go, nightmares, flashbacks, not been able to pay

attention, not being able to do what you usually do, that would make me

more concerned about a child. How do you help somebody experiencing that?

I think every child is different but for the most severely affected we

would use CBT, cognitive behavioural therapy, where children are

encouraged to go back and think about the upsetting memories but

instead of being associated with fear and distress, a therapist is

able to work with the child and help them find ways to bring calm to that

situation. It is a treatment that works really well and I have seen

many children and young people helped with that. It will not be a

quick treatment? No, it can be quite hard work but it can make a big

difference. Just behind you we are seeing the picture of the building,

the charred building. It will be covered, I think later this month.

How much does having to see that on a daily basis impact on those

affected by this? I think it can add to the distress. With what I have

been saying about treatment as well and getting on with life and finding

ways to find can rather than distress thinking about what has

happened, this is a way of also beginning to come to terms with what

has happened. Thank you very much, Dr Gary Wannon.

Hundreds of people are going to be moved out of their high rise flats

in South East London - after an investigation has

Dan Johnson is there with the latest.

What is the situation? This is the Ledbury estate in Southwark, south

London. There are four tower blocks, 242 flats. Residents have had

letters from the council telling them that urgent work is needed and

but for the meantime the flats are not safe unless the gases cut-off.

To understand this we need to go back nearly 50 years to a tower

block collapse in London called Ronan point, which was prompted by a

gas explosion which blew out a wall in a flat, which prompted a collapse

on one side of the building. It killed four people back in 1968. As

a result of that dust -- disaster new building regulations were

stipulated which meant blocks like those constructed in the same way

had to be strengthened to withstand a similar gas explosion. In the last

few weeks the council has been conducting inspections in the wake

of the Grenfell Tower disaster and as as well as looking at the

external fabrication of the building they have been looking at the

structure inside. This is not about the cladding on the outside or even

the fireproofing inside, it is about whether the concrete structure could

withstand a gas explosion. The conclusion of the engineers

yesterday is that the structural improvement work that should have

been done almost 50 years ago has not been done, therefore those tower

blocks are not safe, that is why the gas has been cut off as we speak and

residents are told they will have to provide their own hot water with

electric heaters and in the very near future residents will have to

move out so improvement work can take place. Let's talk to one of the

people who lives here, she joins us with her two sons. How do you feel?

We are worried, we are angry it's got to this point. We have been

advised to use local leisure centre is to take the children and

ourselves to shower. We are not going to run any hot water in the

flat. I'm lucky I have got an electric cooker but I have been told

to heat water on the electric cooker to Bath the baby, we are well past

that stage, 1946 my mum was born and that is how they Bath babies back

then and we should not have to do it now. It's not just now, if there was

a fire it would spread straight through. There have been cracks in

the building that residents have been highlighting for years? For

over 20 years, I have been here seven years and have alerted the

council to them more than once. We have seen some pictures from inside

your flat. I had people out to fix them but they are back under worse

than ever. They are not just a structural problem they might be a

fire risk as well. We can only stay here because we have fire wardens,

this is what we were told and this has been going on since the 29th of

June. We went out, came back in and there was a security system and fire

wardens sat on every floor. They are here 24/7, does it make you feel

safe? Not really, because have of them do not speak English. They

cannot understand when somebody does smell smoke, she ran down from the

tenth floor to the fourth floor before she could find somebody who

could understand, other than that she was being told no English,

that's not helpful. The council said they will re-home you will be make

things safer, are you happy with that? No, once I move out I need to

be gone permanently, we cannot move backward and forward, it is not

fair. You want a new home and a new start? I don't want to leave the

community we have got here because it is an amazing community, the

tenants Association, the chair has worked hard to give us the community

we have got, we are going to leave a lot behind but when you look at it

from a safety aspect I have to put the children first. Of course, thank

you, appreciate your time. Another reason for people in tower blocks to

be an easy, it looks like another developing scandal, building

regulations, measures which should have been enacted almost 50 years

ago still not adhered to and it's possible these are not the only

blocks affected. Thank you. Let's get you the latest on Oxford Circus

station after being evacuated after smoke was seen coming from inside

the Bakerloo line carriage, that's one of the pictures on social media,

it looks pretty dramatic, British Transport Police saying the cause of

the fire is not being treated as suspicious. We will bring you the

very latest shortly. Expecting to speak to an eyewitness. Also coming

up: A warning Britain could face

30 years of terror. The former head of MI5, Lord Evans,

says the Islamist terror Have you been stuck waiting

for hours at an airport this summer? Found out what the worst airport

for delays is in Britain, and the airline that's adding

to the queues. Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of todays news. US Defence Secretary James Mattis

has said America still hopes to solve the North Korea

crisis using diplomacy. After days of fiery rhetoric

from both the US and North Korea, Mr Mattis said war would be

"catastrophic" and that diplomacy On Thursday, the North Korean regime

announced it was finalising a plan to fire four missiles near the US

territory of Guam. Donations made to the victims

of the Grenfell Tower fire are not reaching survivors quickly enough,

according to campaigners Figures from the Charity Commission

show that less than 15% of the ?18.9 million raised has

been given to people affected, almost two

months after the tragedy - but it says that early difficulties

in identifying and contacting those easyJet Travelers suffered the worst

hold-ups with an average delay of 24 minutes. Both the airport and

airline say many of the problems were beyond their control.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:00am.

Let's get the sport again. Last night the big event was the

men's 200 metre final and the winner from Turkey beat 400 metre champion

and favourite Wayde van Niekerk with Isaac Makwala back in sixth. After

breaking her food just six months ago better news for Dina Asher-Smith

as she qualified for the 200 metres final running her season 's best of

22.73 to finish second. And Britain only has one medal so far from a

target of 6-8 but there could be a podium finish tonight in the long

jump final. And Rory McIlroy said the course played tricky after his

opening round at the USPGA championship in North Carolina, he

three shots and finished five behind the leaders. More later.

The former head of MI5, Lord Evans, has warned

that the Islamist terror threat facing Britain could continue

In an interview with the BBC, he also said Russia was likely

to be trying to interfere in the UK's democracy.

Our security correspondent Frank Gardner has been speaking

Tell us more about what he said about the terror threat. This was a

unique opportunity because he's never done a full interview, when he

was in MI5 or since he retired four years ago, he has been right at the

top of it for six years, there were a lot of things to ask and I started

by asking him in his 32 years how has it changed and evolved? There

was terrorism in the 1970s with the IRA and there was the espionage

threat from the cold War, from Russia even back then. He started by

talking about the generational aspect of the terror threat. We are

at least 20 years into this. My guess is we will still be dealing

with the long tail and another 20 years' time. I think this is

genuinely a generational problem. I think we are going to be facing

20-30 years of terrorist threats and therefore we need absolutely

critically to persevere. One of the really interesting things was I

asked him what's it like as an intelligence officer to send out an

agent, an informant basically? They do not really do this buying

themselves, they do surveillance and intercepts but the people at the

sharp end of risk-taking, people who they tried to insert inside

terrorism plotters, trying to penetrate foreign organisations,

what is it like to send some beer like that out knowing if they are

discovered terrible things will happen to them and he was really

interesting, he said often it's sleepless nights, it is nail-biting

if you are running an operation. They take whatever measures they can

to protect them. He was quite alarming I think about some of the

threats coming down the line, I asked what the unconventional

threats where and he talked about the threat to the Internet of

things. This is enabling more of our gadgets including car is to be

linked to the Internet which brings new vulnerabilities to hackers,

people holding you to ransom, your car or kettle not working unless you

pay a fine. He also spoke about what Russia might be doing to meddle with

British democracy? Yeah, he spent some time in counter espionage

himself which is a branch of MI5's work, he said it would be impossible

to imagine the kind of interference as he put it that Russia has

allegedly carried out in the United States and other Western countries

particularly with elections, that Britain would not also be vulnerable

to that. He did not want to go into more detail but said it is a threat.

What is being done to protect us from that threat, what is likely to

be done? They have the national cyber Security Centre which they

launched sometime ago, it was slightly farcical I must say because

they were talking about the defence of properties and I said is there

any kind of offensive capability Britain has and the person giving

the speech said I don't think we can talk about that, then I heard him

say, do we actually have one? They do now but I don't think they did

when they launched it. They are investing billions of pounds in

trying to shore up Britain to make it as hard a target as possible and

yet these digital hacks and vulnerabilities persist. We are

still on the of the iceberg when it comes to the digital threats to the

UK and other countries. Thank you Frank.

Why were contaminated eggs imported from the Netherlands?

It seems an adult would have to eat seven eggs over 24 hours to be at

risk from any contaminated eggs. Oxford Circus tube station has been

closed and the Bakerloo line suspended between elephant and

Castle and Piccadilly Circus because of a fire alert. Pictures on social

media show smoke coming from a train. The British Transport Police

say the fire is not being treated as suspicious. We can speak to a man

who was in the station at the time, I think we have some of your

pictures as well, well, Tom, tell us what happens? I was going from

Brixton to moral born so I normally change at Oxford Circus, I got off

my train, as we were waiting on the platform you could smell something

as the train was coming in and as it got closer and the smell got

stronger and stronger and when the train pulled then you could see one

carriage with smoke inside it. Then a lot more smoke started coming out,

everybody was standing around and they started evacuating the station

but a lot of people with hands or mouths and coughing. Did the smoke

seem to be contained to one carriage? It looked like it was,

just one carriage that had a problem. Coogee see any indication

of where the smoke might have been coming from, what might have caused

it? I suspect may the mortars or something like that underneath the

carriage, I don't know much about trains to be honest. Whether any

people on the carriage as it pulled in? I think there were a few, it's

quite difficult to get between carriages. Thanks very much for

telling us your experiences and giving us your pictures, thank you.

No problem, by? Police investigating the European

egg contamination scandal have arrested two company directors

following raids in the Netherlands. Here the Food Standards Agency has

revealed that 700,000 contaminated eggs have been imported

from Dutch farms, up from their original

estimate of 21,000 but experts insists it is "highly

unlikely" they pose any Sandwiches and salads are among

the foods that have now been removed And should we be worried

about the eggs currently Mark Williams from the British Egg

Industry Council joins us Thank you for joining us, can you

understand how the number of affected eggs shot up to 700,000 in

a matter of days? This is what the Food Standards Agency have notified

as part of their investigations, the key point is I believe the food

products which have been withdrawn from sale of all been made with

these potentially affected imported eggs. Another key point is that

British eggs are safe. The safest in the world. The assurance consumers

in this country can have is that if they look for the lion on the egg

shell and the box they are getting the safest eggs in the world. Are

most of the eggs we buy in our supermarkets British produced? How

many actual eggs we buy, forget eggs in other products are imported?

We are about 85% self-sufficient and have to import about 15% of our

needs, unfortunately. All the major supermarkets, the discount

supermarkets, they all stop British Lion egg so consumers do not have to

be worried at all, British eggs are safe. What do you think about the

time taken for this to be picked up in the way it has been? I mentioned

that in a matter of days the number of eggs being looked at in this

country, the estimate has gone from 21,000 to 700,000. The problem was

first picked up last November but it was only last week that a

Europe-wide safety alert was issued. Of statements are being made coming

out of the continent but the key point is that this contamination is

a result of criminal activity. Somebody has put this insecticide

Fipronil into a normal product which is used to treat red mites, which

can potentially have bird welfare issues unless their numbers are kept

down. Somebody has adulterated this normal product in Holland and that

has led to this particular crisis in Holland. It is totally wrong, it

does not help trust in food at all but I think from a British point of

view our consumers can be totally assured that British eggs are safe.

The problem we have is when it comes to food products made with processed

egg, how does a consumer tell they are British? We know that there are

quite a few food products made with imported eggs at the moment, we have

been calling on food manufacturers and retailers to actually use

British Lion egg products in these food products. We also like to see

country of origin labelling on egg products. So if any imports come in

in the future they will be clearly labelled with the country of origin.

At the beginning you said there was about a 15% shortfall in the number

of British eggs being produced versus eggs on the shelves, is the

shortfall because Moore can't be produced effectively? How much

capacity is there in the market when you say you want British eggs used

for everything in the supermarkets, including products made from eggs?

We would dearly like to supply all the eggs and egg products to our

customers, but what we need is clear market signals from them that will

lead to our egg producers, who do a fantastic job in this country,

basically being able to produce more eggs for consumers. Thank you very

much for joining us. A pleasure. This weekend the world's

fastest man - Usain Bolt - will take part in his final

competitive race before retiring. During his career, the sprinter has

won eight Olympic gold medals and holds the 100 and 200

metre world records. He's also one of the world's most

popular athletes - with fans won over by his talent,

playful nature and trademark pose. Usain Bolt's final race

will be the 4x100m relay at the World Athletics Championships

in London tomorrow. It's not sure if he will take part

in the heats in the morning, but he's expected to compete

in the final in the evening. Joining us now to talk about Bolt's

career are two of the four men who made up Great Britain's 4x400m

relay team and so memorably stormed to victory,

winning gold in the event at the World Championships in 1991 -

Kriss Akabusi and Roger Black. Actually, one of the men joins us,

Kriss Akabusi. Hello, how are you? About great, we are looking for to

speaking to you. Also joining a $:/STARTFEED.

13-year-old Vera, who is a fan of Usain Bolt,

And we're also joined by the Telegraph's

Welcome to you all. Kriss, tell us how he ranks among the all-time

greats in athletics? Clearly he is an icon of the sport. He is ranked

along with guys like Edwin Moses, Lord Coe, Daley Thompson, Michael

Johnson, these guys are icons of the sport. You sane is the icon of his

day. -- Usain is the icon of his day. He has won three Olympic golds,

which is phenomenal. Vera, you have been inspired by Usain Bolt? When

did that happen? When I first saw him is when he beat the 2008 world

record, I could see it was really hard work and determination he put

in to be the fastest man. What impact has it had on you? It has

taught me to work harder, even if I did not win this

race I could come back stronger if I work harder for the next race. What

are you doing in athletics and how are you getting on? About 200

metres, it is going well so far. Ifeanyi, it is always nice when a

child has a role model who can help to propel them forward? Of course.

My family have a lot of interest in sports, and as her dad it is always

my duty and obligation to support them in any form. Taking them from

one place to another, financially and otherwise. Ben, he is an athlete

who does not seem to have put a foot wrong. He has performed amazingly? I

think I would take it a step forward than what Kriss said, Kriss named

some of the greats of athletics over the years. They are big within the

sport and somewhat transcend the sport, but athletics has never had

anyone like Usain Bolt before who is bigger than the sport, you can say

the name Bolt anywhere in the world and they will know who this man is,

he is enormous. What is it about him? If you don't follow athletics,

you know who he is and his trademark pose. It has really caught on. The

pose is a big thing. Obviously he has done amazing things on the

track. You listed the titles he has won and the gold medals, that is one

thing, the other is his superstar aura that he carries with him, the

phone he has on the start line, the dancing, playing with his hair and

all that stuff. That has really resonated with the wider world. That

is what takes it beyond a sporting achievement into the wider public

realm. Kriss, when you watch it you get the sense, it has been said so

many times, gosh, if he really tried, how much faster could he go?

He makes it look so easy? I think that is going to be one of the

things that will come back to haunt him one day. He seemed like he was

jogging in 2009. I think one day he will see somebody run 9.49 and know

deep down inside that he could have smashed that. But you can only

compete in your time, he has been phenomenal, he is a legend. The

sport will miss him, he has big shoes to fill. But he is here, we

had to enjoy him this weekend. You are seeing poetry in motion, a

legend in his lifetime, enjoy it. When you say he might look back and

think he could have smashed it, do you think he has not done as well as

he potentially could have? He was a young man, when he ran 9.58 it was

2009, he was young. He had all of his life ahead of him. As an athlete

you can always say you can do a little bit better, he was banging

his chest, not kidding around. But coming to the twilight of your

career you realise you never get that chance again. It is a real

death in his life, he has to moved from a field that he knew so well

and graced so beautifully into his next phase. He has lots of lovely

things ahead of him but he will never be in the shape to run 9.49

and he will know deep down he could have done that. Roger Black joins

us. How do you think Usain Bolt ranks among the all-time greats?

Here is the greatest athlete of all time. I don't think many people

would argue against that. Nine Olympic gold medals, multiple world

records and the sustainability over such a long period. More

importantly, he has transcended athletics. He is a global superstar.

Many great athletes have not been like Usain has been. How hard is it

when you are bowing out? He has had an amazing career and it seems like

universal adoration? It is pretty sad, it is hard. The athlete

struggles in retirement because you will never be as good as what you

have just done, you have the rest of your life that if you want it will

never be as clear. In athletics every year there is a Championships

and your whole world leads to that. Kriss and I have moved on, it has

been OK. Some people struggle, some do better. Usain Bolt will have so

many options and opportunities, the world is at his hands, whatever he

wants to do, but he will miss it, Kriss is right, the clarity is of

purpose, but I think he will be all right. What do you think he will do?

There have been jokes he will sign for Manchester United? He will go to

Hollywood! Do you reckon, Kriss? Do some films, bust a fewer records,

travel the world. He is worth 45 million quid, there is a lot you can

do when you are worth that. He does not need the money. What do you

reckon, Roger? I think he will be some sort of global ambassador. He

likes his football. In retirement you see the opportunity to do will

be things you could not do as an athlete. He will play loads of

football, get involved in the things he could not do and then at some

point he will decide what he wants to be, but I think he will have a

few years of having a lot more fun, he has had enough phone in the last

ten! At some point he will decide. Have you both met him? Not

personally. I have seen him like everybody else but not met him. I

met him when he was very young, he is one of these athletes who was

breaking records that are very early age, so I met him when he was 15,

16, 17. I have not meant him properly in the past few years.

Dawes had not met him properly. We can't see you but we can hear you.

What was he like at that age? Just another athlete, really. He was a

great talent, he showed a lot of promise but to become what he

became, the fact that he did it is the mark of the man. There is lots

of talent out there who never fulfil their potential. Behind all the

laughing and joking and the moves and all that, there is a very... I

would not say serious athlete but he knows who he is and how to prepare

and get it right, he deserves enormous respect for that. He is a

serious athlete. He hits his numbers. 20 in the winter, 20 in the

spring, 20 in the summer, speed endurance, strength, conditioning.

He does his numbers. He does his weights, he actually gets himself

ready. Forget all that joking stuff, he must be focused because you can't

deliver, no matter how talented. I see many, many talented failures.

Sorry to interrupt you, Kriss, but that is what you said, Vera, about

why he is a role model, you know the hard work he puts in? Yes. Even

recently when he didn't win his race he showed good sportsmanship and

clapped to the audience, appreciated them and stuff. Ben, have you met or

interviewed him? A few times in group situations. What was he like?

A group he does not much enjoy the whole media focus. He likes playing

the showman to the crowd. I think he has got to the stage now where he

wants a bit of normality in his life, he does not necessarily what

the attention the whole time. When he is on the stage she will have the

attention, away from the stage he quite likes just being normal. I was

in Kingston in Jamaica for his last run in Jamaica couple of months ago,

speaking to people who know him quite well. They got across the

sense of normality. He goes to the local gym, takes part in spin

classes with me is due and whoever turns up for a spin class.

Those classes must be popular! I thought it was amazing, turning to

your left and single bull's fastest man on the bike. And he is six foot

five, hard to miss him. What do you think he will do? After he retires?

He has mentioned the football thing. Is that a complete joke or is it

possible? I think at one stage he would like to have thought he could

maybe do something but he has sort of accepted that will not happen.

Like Kriss and Rogers said I think he will travel the world, take on

some ambassadorial projects, do charity work. He says his heart is

in athletics so he will promote the sport, he is an amazing figurehead

so the sport does not want to lose him, they want to get everything

they can out of him and he will continue to help the sport grow.

Vera and Ifeanyi, what would you like to see him do? I accept what

was said by one of the guys over there that he would like to do more

of travel around. Sometimes be with family or something like that. He

deserves a break. He deserves a break. The family, if possible.

That's what I think. He has to relax a little bit. Vera, have you met

him? No. Hopefully you might at some stage. Let's see what he does, he

might carry on in a mentoring role. Thank you all very much. We would

love to know who has inspired you in sport or any other field.

The weather are not very inspiring across Northern and Western parts of

the UK, lots of cloud and outbreaks of rain, the rain will be quite

heavy at times gradually moving further east but I think for East

Anglia and the south-east of England you will get away with a dry day

without sunshine, temperatures getting up to 22 or 23 degrees but

elsewhere a lot of cloud, outbreaks of rain and particularly in Northern

Western parts are bit of drizzle. Through this evening that rain will

spread its way to the far east, cloudy for many of us into Saturday

morning but during Saturday many of us will see the clouds breaking up

to give a sunny spells, pleasant during the afternoon, one or two

showers dotted around but I think for most of us the emphasis should

be on a dry day but on Sunday and other dry day for many of us, role

play a better day in terms of the sunshine.

Hello it's Friday 11th August, it's ten o'clock.

I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria Derbyshire.

Donald Trump's heated words over North Korea -

but his Defence Secretary James Mattis insists

is well enough known. it would be an event the likes

It doesn't need another characterisation beyond the fact

CCTV will soon be mandatory in slaughterhouses with vets

watching the footage - the Environment Secretary Michael

Gove says it'll make the UK a world leader in animal welfare.

We speak to three very different voices to ask if it'll help.

There's protests against tourists in Spain.

Anarchist groups there say mass tourism is destroying places

# When I'm finished # They won't even know your name #

Kesha's back with a new album after a five year hiatus,

after a long legal battle with her former producer Dr Luke.

Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

US Defence Secretary James Mattis says war against North Korea would

be catastrophic. That despite increased rhetoric from Donald

Trump. James Mattis says the US is still focused on talking. The

American effort is diplomatically lead, it has diplomatic traction and

is gaining diplomatic results and I want to stay right there right now.

The tragedy of war is well enough known, I does not need another

characterisation beyond the fact it would be catastrophic. Lets see what

he does with Guam. He does something in Glam it will be an event the

likes of which no one has ever seen before, what will happen in North

Korea. The UK may continue to face

the threat of Islamist terrorism for another "20 to 30 years" ,

that's the warning from the former In an interview with the BBC's Today

programme, Lord Evans went onto to describe the issue

as a "generational problem" and that the UK needed

to "persevere" with efforts My guess is that we will still be

dealing with the long tail I think this is genuinely

a generational problem. I think that we are going to be

facing 20 or 30 years of terrorist threats,

and therefore we need absolutely One of the former aides

to Brexit Secretary David Davis has said that leaving the EU will be

a calamity for our country. Speaking to the Today Programme

this morning, he said that the Conservatives had been

badly damaged by the process - and that promises made to voters

during the referendum were false. People have voted for Brexit and,

yes, most people do now think, "Well, let's just get on with it,

we've made the decision," but Where is the ?350 million a week

for the health service? It's going to be a calamity

for our country. Firefighters have closed

Oxford Circus Underground station in central London following reports

of smoke on a train. London Fire Brigade confirmed

that they were at the station and investigating smoke

on a Bakerloo line train. Witnesses report the smell

of burning plastic as they were But the fire is not being

treated as suspicious. Donations made to the victims

of the Grenfell Tower fire are not reaching survivors quickly enough,

according to campaigners Figures from the Charity Commission

show that less than 15% of the ?18.9 million raised has

been given to people affected, almost two

months after the tragedy - but it says that early difficulties

in identifying and contacting those Passengers flying from Gatwick

during the last two Summers experienced the longest average

delays according to data analysed by the BBC. EasyJet Travelers suffered

the worst hold-ups with an average delay of 24 minutes. The airport and

airline say many of the problems are beyond their control.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30pm.

Let us know who has inspired you in any field, we are talking in

particular about Usain Bolt as he retires from athletics tomorrow and

we were talking to a girl inspired by Usain Bolt to go into athletics

and work hard because she said she could see his worth -- work ethic.

We also want to hear from you on this team did eggs story, one person

getting in touch seeing the EU nations should stop trying to cover

this up, thank goodness for Brexit. Some people waiting for me to drop

the pun eggspert. I will not be doing that. It seems you will have

to eat seven eggs in 24 hours to have any problems and in terms of

how long it took to unfold the issue was first spotted in November but it

was last week at Europe-wide alert was put out. Let's catch up with the

sport at the London Stadium. Good morning, busy morning session

already in action here we have got the men's decathlon and the 100

metres heats under way, one person who has been catching the eye here

is Dina Asher-Smith of Great Britain, just five years ago she was

at this London Stadium for the London 2012 Olympics but was not

competing, she was carrying equipment and here she is now racing

against the best athletes on the globe. She has really impressed

during these championships in the 200 metres and earlier I spoke to

her about how tough season has been. I completely broke my foot, I had to

have surgery and is then I had to spend six weeks not doing anything,

not putting weight on it then gradually putting weight on it,

three months I was completely out of pretty much walking then I learnt

how to walk and here we are. It wasn't that bad, I am joking, I

would not recommend it, it was no fun! There has been lots of talk

about the British medal tally, they were given an ambitious target in

the run-up, 6-8 medals but there have been a lot of fourth-place

finishes, Callum Hawkins in the marathon, Laura Muir in the 1500

metres and recently Kyle Langford in the 800 metres. Such fine margins in

elite sport. Earlier I spoke to Colin Jackson and he said sometimes

results are out of the athletes control. Sometimes you need a bit of

luck, we have had four fourth places which could have been bronze medals

which would be a different feel for us all. At the beginning of the

championships I said we will have many fourth and fifth places that we

should celebrate because the team is still developing and with that in

mind it is a developing and hungry team, do not give up on them yet.

The morning session already underway here, British bands will have a lot

to cheer about, Robbie Grabaz scores in the high jump qualifying, he got

a medal in Rio last year so will want to put in a good showing and

later tonight the final of the women's long jump with the British

indoor record-holder who is looking good for possibly a podium place. On

the track Lynsey Sharp one of three British women in the semifinals of

the 800 metres, the sun is out and there will be lots for fans to cheer

about. Thanks. CCTV will be mandatory

in all slaughterhouses in England under new plans announced

by Environment Cameras will have to be in all areas

where live animals are present, with unrestricted access to footage

for Official Vets The aim is to reassure consumers

that high welfare standards According to a study

at Sheffield Hallam University, while some of England's 260

slaughterhouses chose to install CCTV, 'the cameras were by-and-large

used to prevent meat theft rather than to protect animals,

and the footage was Let's talk now to Kate Fowler,

who led an undercover camera investigation into slaughterhouses

for Animal Aid. Craig Kirby is from the Association

of Independent Meat Suppliers, that represents slaughterhouses

and has also worked as a vet in slaughterhouses

for 20 years in the past. Thank you both for joining us, tell

us first of all about your investigations thank you, it started

in 2009 when we put our first fly in the wall camera inside a UK

slaughterhouse and we did not have any expectations, it was just out of

interest. What we found was very worrying, we did not expect to find

lawbreaking but we found it. We did not want to go public... What did

you find? There was rough handling, questions over stunning, it was not

the worst but we had enough concerns we wanted to continue so we placed

two more cameras, the next slaughterhouse was better and the

one after that significantly worse so we had a whole range of

situations. That is when we went public initially. Since 2009 we have

placed cameras in a lot more slaughter houses, 14 in total and we

believe all but one were breaking animal welfare laws. How widespread

the think issues have been? Almost all of them were breaking laws on

the day we had the cameras they are, these were not things you could

miss, these work punching pigs in the head, using a shackle hooked in

the face of an animal, kicking them in the belly, problems with layout

and the handling of animals, it is widespread and serious. Craig is

that the picture you recognise? I do not think it is a representative

example of the food industry in the UK generally, there is another

charity that has done a similar activity inside two or three

slaughter houses, there are about 260 in the country and everyone of

them has a full-time vet. Why would it be the case these things have

been happening in the 14, most of the 14 may have looked that? Most of

the footage I saw when I was working for the Food Standards Agency with

different skills problem, some were technical breaches which were not

causing suffering to the animals, some were things which just did not

work, to the uneducated eye the process difficult to digestive

think, some of the things were very bad and some people have been

brought to task. At the slaughter houses you put cameras in, they had

vets so how could this be happening? That's a good question, vets work

throughout the slaughterhouse, a lot of them do not appear to be at what

we call the business end of events. In all of our footage and I

personally have watched maybe 300 hours of footage and we have not

seen vets coming into the stunning or slaughter areas all that much. So

what would you say to that Craig, you have been a vet in a

slaughterhouse, have you sometimes not been near being able to see it?

It's about having the right skill and knowledge to understand animals

and the slaughtering process and being in the right place at the

right time. This is why we support mandatory CCTV as a supportive

measure because Bates should be there and abattoir owners have got

responsibilities to make sure the animals are handled and killed what

you mean way possible. If the system was working this would not be

happening. CCTV is not the silver bullet to the problem, you have to

have people watching it to need to be properly skilled. I think

personally the best thing CCTV ads is a training means for abattoir

owners to help pick up problems with Staffs bogey staff. It seems unfair

we are targeting slaughterhouse staff with government monitored CCTV

all the time and no other profession gets this, care home workers are not

monitored by CCTV, why are we targeting slaughterhouse workers? Do

you think it will make a difference? As Craig is saying it will require a

lot of people involved to be across what is coming in.

The devil will be in the detail. We are not targeting slaughterhouse

workers for no reason, we do not want cameras everywhere but of all

the investigations we have found they are not able to comply with the

law when they think they are not being watched, so we need better

regulation, the current system is clearly not working. We need the

cameras monitored independently by somebody with welfare is their

priority. We see Association of Independent Meat Suppliers's cameras

is a version of independently monitored CCTV. The cameras were

placed in the right place, switched on, I and my colleagues watched the

footage and reported incidents. That is why so many workers have had

licenses removed, why we have had prosecutions and there are more to

come and why people have been sent to jail, because the CCTV works, and

we hope independently monitored CCTV will do the same thing.

Thank you both let me bring you an update on the fire on the Bakerloo

line train at Oxford Circus tube station, the Fire Service says it is

not being treated as suspicious. Hearing a London Ambulance Service

spokesperson saying we were called at 8:53am to reports of an incident

on board a Bakerloo line train at Oxford Circus tube, we sent an

ambulance crew, the hazardous area response team and an incident

response officer to the scene, with the first of the medics arriving in

less than five minutes. We four patients at the scene for smoke

inhalation and have taken two to hospital as a precaution. There is

no information yet as to what caused the smoke.

What is the worst airline for flight delays? With the summer getaway

getting into the full swing, BBC analysis shows where you will find

the longest queues. If you have been now you will probably know! Get in

touch if you want to tell us what you have experienced this summer.

It's a country which attracts almost 18 million people every year.

But now a group protesting against mass tourism in Spain has

threatened further attacks after targeting British

holiday-makers in Barcelona and Mallorca.

A sightseeing bus carrying tourists in the Catalan capital was recently

attacked by angry demonstrators who slashed its tyres.

They say tourism expels people from their neighbourhoods

The group behind the protests, Arran - which has been described

by the Spanish Prime Minister as extremists - have said

they will be carrying out further action over the summer.

So with protests now spreading to other countries like Venice

and Dubrovnik in Croatia, how much of an impact will this

Let's speak now to Duncan McCann, a researcher at the New Economics

And from Madrid Taleb Rifai, who has been the Secretary General

of the World Tourism Organization since 2010.

Thank you both for joining us. Duncan, first of all, tell us why

there is this backlash in some areas, some cities, when obviously

tourism has always been a vital part of some local economies? I think it

is a variety of reasons for the build-up and why it is reaching its

crescendo. I think there has been a long term feeling that economies are

not working for people. I think in some of these places which also face

pressures of mass tourism, the likes of Airbnb allowing tourists to

spread out further and deeper into cities, a change nature of tourism

focusing more on city breaks rather than longer holidays and in some of

these cities, Venice the best example, the rise of these cruise

ships and the impact on these small, old towns. And the concerns around

those changes are things like Airbnb, people letting up their

places on Airbnb, for instance, putting up rents in cities beyond

the affordability of residence. I am trying to understand the impact that

Airbnb Empoli can have, especially in places with limited accommodation

and regulated rental markets. Barcelona, Berlin, San Francisco are

some of the highlights in terms of impact but it definitely spreads of

a wider area. Taleb Rifai, what is your reaction to these protests?

It's very sad to see that happening, simply because while I agree very

much with the professor, we are now because of our inability to manage

the situation and make tourism growth a sustainable one, we are

sacrificing all the good things that can happen and come out of tourism,

the jobs, the benefits, in return for mismanagement. I am fully

convinced it is an issue of management and it could be sold. I

completely agree with the professor that the cruisers are aggravating

the situation in a very great man, but it is not tourism to be blamed.

Growth is not the enemy, people are not the enemy, numbers are not the

enemy. It is how we manage growth that matters. Or you sympathise with

the protesters? Absolutely, absolutely. But I would not be so

enthusiastic about it. The same people that are now crying no

tourists would be the same ones that will save where are the tourists

when they disappear. The benefits that are coming are being ignored

and overlooked. The city administrations are the first people

to be responsible for that. There are remedies and recipes that we

could use to be able to deal with the situation, but instead of doing

that some of these city administrators are trying to appease

the crowds instead of trying to deal with the problem. The easiest way is

to say stop and activity. That is not the way to do it. What remedies

would you suggest? For example cruisers would have to be better

regulated and stay longer. They stay for a very short period, crowding

and consuming the place without giving much benefit to people living

there. Cruisers can give coupons to visit people Donegall Place as far

away from the centre of the city, they can stop benefiting restaurants

and cafes in the city instead of having everybody coming back to the

ship. -- they can start benefiting. In a city like Barcelona, if you go

just half a kilometre from the city centre, the residents are saying

where are the tourists? In fairness if you go one or two kilometres, the

beautiful countryside, Hills and chapels -- in Venice if you go one

or two kilometres. We should have more investment in surrounding areas

to defuse the crowds. There are techniques that are very well proven

to be working in crowd management, we are not using this. How much

other issue has the opening up of people's homes to tourists been? It

can undercut hotels, it means the city breaks have become much

cheaper, cheap flights means a greater influx of people into cities

in greater numbers, I suppose? Of course it is an issue, but it is

remedies. Airbnb is also having its benefits as well. It is bringing

direct interests and benefits to communities and families directly.

When you have a building completely occupied by them with a minority of

the regional residents, of course you will have a reaction. We have

tried to say no more than 20% of any building should be rented out, there

are issues that can be done, regulations that can be imposed and

improved. But we will not stop Airbnb, we will not be able to. We

will not be able to stop. We had to deal with it, manage it better and

approach it more intelligently. Duncan, Taleb outlined some of the

things he thinks will make a difference, are there moves to

introduce measures like that? For instance, maybe with regard to

Airbnb, Barcelona and Berlin have taken a much more robust attitude to

Airbnb, reinforcing the regulations forcing them to compete with the

hotel industry on an equal basis. I think you are seeing the start of

some authority being reimposed in the system, but Taleb is absolutely

right that we need to refocus the benefits of tourism to the local

communities rather than having them extracted through these large

multinationals that engage in large tours but don't really give back to

the local community. That is how we will really move forward. Taleb, are

you worried the anger could turn into violence against tourists? It

is protests and tyres being slashed at the moment, might it escalate? Of

course I am worried. My call is to city administrators, instead of

aggravating the situation we can work together. Duncan is correct,

Airbnb and the like are ready to cooperate. We should not overlook...

One out of every ten jobs in the world as travel and tourism. People

that are crying now will be the first to cry at the city mayors and

administration when there are motorists, they will say white do we

lose that benefit. We should not sacrifice the benefits of a good

human activity like travel for the sake of our inability to manage the

situation in a proper way. It is a failure of management. Duncan, you

can go one a city break very quickly, state in an Airbnb samara

is much more quickly when hotels effectively had total control and

therefore also controlled numbers. Can this genie be put back on the

bottle? I think it will be very challenging, numbers have increased

steadily for a very long time, the Chinese market is opening up with a

real quantity of tourists wanting to visit Europe and elsewhere, I think

you will be very challenging but I think cities need to take back

control and places like Bataan actively limit tourist numbers

because they really value the local culture, places are trying things.

Thailand recently banned some restricted tourists from some

specific islands. You are seeing this regaining of control but it

will not happen overnight and I think it will be challenging to look

at stemming those numbers, but it is not about changing the quality but

changing the spread, encouraging people out of the tight city

centres, regulating cruisers so you have less mass arrivals who go

around very quickly in the city. It is about changing the numbers

overall, changing the spread, where they go, how they move within the

city, and solutions are out there for these things. Duncan McCann and

Taleb Rifai, thank you. And we are staying with travel.

We all know that the summer getaway can be a nightmare.

Figures from the Civil Aviation Authority analysed by the BBC show

that passengers leaving Gatwick have faced the longest average delays

When it came to airlines, Easyjet travellers suffered

the worst delays among the ten biggest airlines -

So what can we expect and what can we do about it?

Frank Barrett is the travel editor for the Mail on Sunday.

Hi, thank you for joining us. Tell us more about the worst performers.

EasyJet seemed to come out as the worst, but as they say in their

defence, that is a function of them operating from Gatwick Airport,

which is the place you are most likely to suffer delays. It is a bit

tough on easyJet, I can say in their defence I have flown with them a few

times from Bristol recently and we have been early. If you are delayed

it seems like the worst thing on earth, but I would guess the overall

picture come out of Gatwick, at least, business has been streamlined

to such an extreme that they get to the destination airport and have a

20 minute turnaround, there is not much slack. If something is going on

it can accumulate throughout the day, but overall I think they do an

amazing job. Looking back to where we have come from, it is 40 years

ago next month that the sky train started in New York, which ushered

in the modern era of cheap air travel. People queued for hours and

days to get a cheap tickets, now you can pick them from your mobile phone

in a few seconds. We might be getting blase and overexcited that

we had to wait ten or 15 minutes to get on a plane or whatever. It might

feel churlish to complain when we have such cheap flights, but it can

be a huge inconvenience if you are travelling and relying on getting to

somewhere at a certain time. Who is to blame. You are talking about the

tight turnaround and budget airlines, is that the main culprit?

The problem is there are so many things potentially that can delay

you, how many times have you waited City people stuck in the bar Origi

to free shop and then everybody is tearing their hair out. Lots of

things can happen in the procedure of flying, but it looks like it is

the outline, but it is a whole number of factors. I am always

amazed whenever I fly that the plane takes off and you arrive on time,

given what could possibly go wrong. In their favour they are doing a

pretty good job. It is tough on the budget airlines, you are being

saddled with these quite severe costs after paying compensation. I

am all in favour of getting compensation, but if it threatens

the business model of the budget airline, I think that is quite

worrying as well. A lot of things are into the mix, Brexit is another

thing, how will that affect airlines, Britain's relationship

with the ATC and everything else that goes on through Europe? Thank

you for joining us, Frank Barrett. And you can see how long your summer

holiday flight could be delayed by. Just go to our website

bbc.co.uk/news, enter the airport you're flight

from and your destination, and our online calculator will show

you individual airlines' average delays at both airports

in the last two years. Still to come, the new Premier

League season kicks off tonight, Arsenal take on Leicester City after

a summer of big spending. And is back with the new album after a long

legal battle with her former producer.

James Mattis says the US is still focused on talking. The American

effort is diplomatically lead, it has diplomatic traction, it is

gaining diplomatic results and I want to stay right there right now,

the tragedy of war is well enough known, it does not need another

characterisation beyond the fact it would be catastrophic. Lets see what

he does with Glam. He does something in

The UK may continue to face the threat of Islamist terrorism

for another "20 to 30 years" , that's the warning from the former

In an interview with the BBC's Today programme, Lord Evans went

onto to describe the issue as a "generational problem"

and that the UK needed to "persevere" with efforts

My guess is that we will still be dealing with the long tail

I think this is genuinely a generational problem.

I think that we are going to be facing 20 or 30 years

of terrorist threats, and therefore we need absolutely

Firefighters have closed Oxford Circus Underground station

in central London following reports of smoke on a train.

London Fire Brigade confirmed that they were at the station

the London Ambulance Service is safe four people were treated at the

scene for smoke inhalation. The fire is not currently being treated by

police as suspicious. Donations made to the victims

of the Grenfell Tower fire are not reaching survivors quickly enough,

according to campaigners Figures from the Charity Commission

show that less than 15% of the ?18.9 million raised has

been given to people affected, almost two

months after the tragedy - but it says that early difficulties

in identifying and contacting those Passengers flying from Gatwick

during the last two Summers experienced the longest average

delays according to flight data analysed by the BBC. Among the ten

biggest airlines EasyJet Travelers suffered the worst hold-ups with an

average delay of 24 minutes, both the airport and the airline say many

of the problems were beyond their control. That is a summary of the

latest BBC News, join me at 11 o'clock for BBC newsroom life.

Sports. Busy morning session under way, we

have just had the 100 metres heats of the men's decathlon, it was not

to be a fairy tale ending for Isaac Makwala in the 200 metre final last

night after an incredible few days he could only finish sixth. It was

Ramil Guliyev taking gold ahead of the champion at 400 metres and the

favourite, Wayde van Niekerk. What a year it has been for Dina

Asher-Smith, after breaking her food just six months ago she ran a season

's best to make the final of the women's 200 metres. Britain only has

one medal so far from a target of 6-8 but there could be a podium

finish in the long jump final. And away from the athletics Rory McIlroy

said the course played tricky after his opening round at the USPGA

championship in North he dropped three shots to finish the day five

shots behind the leaders Thorbjorn Olesen and Kevin Kisner.

The new Premier League season gets under way tonight,

with Arsenal taking on Leicester at the Emirates Stadium

It's been another summer of huge spending in the transfer market.

Let's take you through a few of the big money buys

Manchester United signed the striker Romelu Lukaku

Alvaro Morata went from Real Madrid to Chelsea for ?60 million.

And Alexandre Lacazette arrived at Arsenal for ?52 million from Lyon.

That doesn't even take into account the top spending club -

Manchester City - who've dished out a whopping ?212 million pounds

on players, and the transfer window hasn't even closed yet!

So will the money make any difference to the

And away from the biggest spenders there are two clubs who've never

Brighton and Huddersfield Town are the newcomers to the league,

To discuss all of this and more Pat Nevin, the former

Chelsea player and pundit, Rory Smith, who writes

for the New York Times, Akhil Vyas from the Arsenal Supporters Trust

and Paul Hollas, a Huddersfield Town fan who's got tickets to the game

Thank you all very much for joining asked, Paul we will start with you

because it is a big deal. Echoes, the biggest season for the club in

probably 40 years, 50 years. We have done, we have got no expectations, a

lot of pundits have us as relegation fodder and that puts no pressure on

us, we have got no limits, we will go and have a go. A comfortable

position to be in but you must be thinking, Leicester City? We had the

same thing last year, we were tipped to be relegated, we had one of the

smallest budgets in the championship but still got promoted. We will do

what we can, we are not there to make up the numbers. Who ever anyone

supports we love it when the underdog does well so we wish you

the best. Pat Nevin, huge amount of money spent on transverse, has it

got out of hand? We have been saying this for 20 years maybe more. The

money does look a bit stupid, there is no moral argument and I would not

make one but it is a market and at the moment the market seems oddly

enough to be working because so much money is coming in from the

broadcast rights and advertising, coming to the door as well but that

appears to be much less of a part of it. I cannot see any obvious

stalling of the money, it might do one day but they are a big sums of

money, some of the headlines I don't agree with necessarily. Huge sums

spent by one club, look at the net spending, they are getting money in

from sales, well over ?1 billion spent by Premier League clubs but

when you look at the net figure it is less than half of that. Having

said that it is still a lot. Is the quality of football getting better?

Not necessarily. I think it will be a bit better this season because the

top teams were in transition last season, Manchester City, and even

though Chelsea won the league they did not have Champions League to put

them off, teams like Manchester United are much closer to the place

they want to be. Does not seem stylish to say at the moment but I

am looking forward to it and it will be exciting. Rory what do you think

as we head into the new season? I tend to agree with Pat at the moment

you have the top six who will be slightly better on the broad look

because of the players they have signs and then you have the

remaining, Everton in a league of their own and then the remaining 13

clubs who are trying to survive relegation, Huddersfield, I don't

think they should look at it with any great trepidation because there

are a lot of teams in the Premier League who are not exactly world

beaters. What we have seen this summer is they are paying huge sums

of money, inflated sums of money for the same players they would have

signed two years ago, three years ago, the quality is is less but I

think it'll be more exciting the last two or three. What have

Huddersfield spent on players? I think about 40 million so far. And

some might become more valuable during the course of the season?

Absolutely, put it in context, last season our biggest outlay was 1.8

million so we broke our transfer record four times in the summer

window which is good. You are an Arsenal fan so you are used to these

big figures. More than Huddersfield Broadway, yeah. How are you feeling

going into the season? Interesting, we started well, signing a left back

and a centre forward, we have kept our best players at the moment,

Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil. If we can start well we have got three

tough games, the window closes and our best players are still here then

we can be optimistic. When you go into a new season you have to be

optimistic. A lot happened at Arsenal last season, I think it is

time for fans to get behind the team and keeping our best players is the

key for me. What do you think about the huge sums of money being spent

on football and players Pat there never seems to be a backlash? There

are some, there will be a moral backlash in certain places. It

depends what hat I am wearing when I am having the discussion, as former

chairman of the PFA if there is huge money, that is the workers doing the

work, but I don't think there is a great moral justification to say

someone should be paid these horrendous sums of money. However it

is a market and if you are willing to live in a market, my background

is economic same way so I would say that. But what it's bringing into

the country, what it is selling, how this league sells around the world,

I sound as if I am a promoter for the Premier League when I am not for

a lot of the time because there are weaknesses but looking at the model

I have to say 15 years ago I would be telling you everything has ups

and downs. Yet the property market or the economy, football must have

that as well. When you look at the players and the amount of money some

of them get, even graduate, do you think they are worth it, do you

think, what do you think it does to players on the pitch? I'm not sure

what it does to them on the pitch but do we begrudge it? For example

at Arsenal, media reports telling us Alexis Sanchez once double his

wages, the moral side you would think is anybody worth that but at

the same time Arsenal need Alexis Sanchez to play for the club. We

accept that as fans, if it's the money he wants its the money we will

have to pay him. We are in a bit of a situation where we cannot have

morals because we want our clubs to win. What do you think Paul? It is a

lot of money, I am from up north and there is not a lot of money up north

in a lot of areas but at the same token they are top of their

profession and lots of other professions earn top money. People

pay what they are worth but the pressure is on them to perform. And

they do not always and when they do not people say particularly in the

national context questions asked if they are hungry enough. I think

that's a great question and it's one of the difficulties you have with

younger players coming through, if you are making them comfortable for

life when they are 90 years of age, you say stay hungry but that easy,

when you have everything you want, the car and the life you want, and

everyone is telling you you are the best in the world, you are the bee's

knees, you take that into your head and it's hard to take yourself back

out to normality. When I was playing the game I saw it myself but the

good ones have the talent and the right psychology, they keep moving

on, and end up being the best because if you iron ?150,000 a week

you have probably had to be hungry to get there. Great to talk to you

all, thank you. Get in touch with your thoughts in the usual ways.

It's just over a month since six-year-old Bradley Lowery

died after battling a rare form of cancer.

The Sunderland fan won a legion of supporters across the country,

Now, in his first interview since Bradley's death,

Jermain told the BBC how he's been inspired by his "best mate".

They were best friends and it was a friendship

which captured the hearts of everyone.

I have a nice picture in the house of me and Bradley

He loved me, I loved him and after seeing his eyes,

it was genuine because he was a child.

There was nothing I could give him apart from just being a friend.

Even towards the end, when he was really struggling

and he couldn't really move, I would walk into the room

and he would just jump up and his mum said,

"He hasn't moved all day," so yeah, it was a special feeling.

The emotion is still raw but the impact the little boy has

The Bournemouth striker says it is a gift and he will

I always wake up thinking, you know, if you don't feel well,

Because I can see little kids suffer like that and still fight,

to me, there is no bigger motivation.

If he could go through that and fight.

You walked out with him so many times.

But was that England moment the best?

I came down the tunnel, gave him a cuddle.

Joe Hart said to me, you walk the team out.

For him to do that, that was special.

And we walked out, standing there, singing the national anthem.

Being involved in the squad and actually playing, and scoring...

For me, it's one of the best moments of my career.

You can see the whole of Juliette Ferrington's

interview with Jermain Defoe on Football Focus

We are in the middle of the school holidays, which means a chance to

rest, recuperate and have fun with friends and family for many. But for

the children who escaped the Grenfell tower fire, summer has

brought shock. Around 600 children from the Grenfell Tower

neighbourhood have been referred to mental health services in the

aftermath of the fire. Just how well are these children coping? Ashley

Jean-Baptiste Dubie with 112-year-old survivor, and his

adoptive grandmother. They went swimming at the leisure centre close

to their former home. He lived on the first

floor of Grenfell Tower with his adoptive grandmother,

Rumayatu Mamudu. They escaped the tower

during the night of the fire, and eight weeks on, Tyrshondre has

broken up from school It's the summer holiday,

how's it going? Does it at all feel different not

being at the home you're used to? Can you tell me what toys

you lost in the fire? My piano, my Wii Fit Plus,

my Wii console, everything. What do you miss

about your old home? It's been eight weeks

since you lost your home. To tell you the truth,

I think things are getting worse. If we had a little bit

of attention as survivors, we would now be getting

ready for closure. We have support from the society,

from the charity organisation, If only the government would do

their best to give us a roof. He wakes up in the night,

he's afraid there might be a fire. So the fear is still in him,

until we have a place Does it feel like the normal

summer holiday for you? No, it can never feel

like a normal summer holiday. I have been offered to go

on holiday, but how could you go on holiday when you are not sure

what you are coming back to? Have you got used to living

in a hotel with your grandson? A hotel is supposed to be temporary