10/08/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Good morning. I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Welcome to the

programme. "Only absolute force

can work on him" - says North Korea as it accuses

Donald Trump of being bereft of reason and claims it's making

a plan to fire four rockets at the American territory

of Guam within days. An attack or threat on Guam is an

attack on the United States. They have said America will be defended.

We are talking to a family from the pacific island of Guam,

caught in the middle of this war of words - about how

Very serious warnings this morning that homelessness could rise

Right now around a quarter of a million people are caught

in the homeless trap, rough sleeping, in hostels, cars,

We look at the picture across the UK - and what can be done about it.

Paula and Barry are with us this morning -

both lost their jobs and ended up sleeping rough.

They will be talking to us just after 9am.

If the parents don't have enough money, they can put us into school,

then we get to have food. Children in some of the most

deprived parts of Wales are getting free meals during the summer

holidays - but should more be done in other parts of the UK

to tackle the growing Welcome to the programme,

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at the standard network rate. North Korea will reveal

its plan for firing missiles at a US territory

within the next few days - says Pyongyang - and if Kim Jon Un

approves, four rockets could shoot over Japan towards the island

of Guam with its US military bases. Our correspondent

Yogita Limaye has more. North Korean state television showed

a mass of people marching in support of the leadership in the country,

even as the government These are details of its

plan to attack Guam. Four rockets will fly over Japan

and land in the Pacific Ocean It's drills by US bomber

aircraft like these, which are stationed at Guam,

that have angered Pyongyang. While a fierce reaction

from North Korea is expected, this time it is matched

by aggression from the US president. After saying Pyongyang would be

met by fire and fury, Donald Trump boasted about America's

nuclear arsenal, a message which will be perceived as another

threat by North Korea. It's making people around the world

nervous, and many countries Our strong wish is that

the United States keeps calm and refrains from any moves that

would provoke another party into actions that

might be dangerous. The border is just about 50

kilometres from here, but things on the streets

are not tense. This country has dealt

with threats from its neighbour for a long time now,

and that's why perhaps now people here are unlikely to believe just

yet that this war of words will turn Let's speak to our correspondent

lies in see all in South Korea. Let's pick up on that point, the

focus is on Guam but you are in a place that lives with this threat

everyday -- live in Seoul. For decades the people of South Korea

and Seoul have lived with the threat of a massive artillery on their

border, and perhaps even the board tick-macro prospect of a nuclear

strike. The focus is shifting to Guam, the obscure island stuck in

the middle of the Pacific. What's interesting in Seoul is that these

people who live every day with the prospect of a military confrontation

and as was said in the report, they remained fairly calm. People are

heading home here as it is 5pm in the evening. They are a good

barometer of how serious the rhetoric is. We've heard from the

defence chief of staff who say they are prepared for swift action and

reminding everyone of the strong military relationship that South

Korea has with the USA. I think if you couple that with stronger words

from US Defence Secretary saying North Korea will be greatly

overmatched, then the signal is warning Kim Jong-Un then, despite

the rhetoric coming from both sides, that if a military confrontation was

to come, then to repeat the words of Defence Secretary Mattis, it could

be the end of the regime in Pyongyang.

Let's bring you the rest of the morning's news.

Matthew Price is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

Northumbria Police has defended paying ?10,000

Officers did it to gather information in

The force is standing by its actions after 17 - mostly Asian -

men and one woman were convicted of grooming vulnerable

Critics said it could have put victims at greater risk.

The faces of just some of those who abused young women

Vulnerable girls were given drinks and drugs and passed around for sex.

The gang was caught in one of the biggest child abuse

investigations the North of England has seen.

But now there are questions, outrage even, over some

Was it right to pay a convicted child rapist ?10,000

We don't support the police in doing this.

We think it was a misguided action, putting a person who had a track

record of abusing girls into a situation with other

vulnerable girls and perpetrators, and then paying them

Northumbria Police has strongly defended the payment.

It's surprising and disappointing for the NSPCC to adopt

This is an ill-informed position they have taken.

The fact is, we absolutely did not plant XY the informant in the midst

of vulnerable girls, that did not happen.

The force says this information to get convictions stopped

Northumbria's Police Commissioner says she was uneasy about paying

a rapist, but ultimately she's satisfied everything

These are complex cases, and difficult judgments have to be made.

Labour has accused the government top selling off valuable hospital

assets to help plug a hole in NHS finances. The amount of health

Service land in England that has been earmarked for sale has more

than doubled in the past year. Analysis commissioned by Labour

found 117 sites deemed surplus were still in medical or clinical use.

Ministers said selling land would give vital funding for patient care

and free up space for housing. Some prisoners should be able to use

video calling technology to stay in touch with their families. It could

cut reoffending rates, the government has been advised. A

review by Lord Farmer suggests so-called virtual visit should be

made available for inmates who cannot attend jail because of

illness, distance or other factors. Research indicates a prisoner who

receives visits from a visitor is 39% less likely to reoffend than an

inmate who had such contact. And we'll have more on this

after 10am when we'll be talking to former prisoners

and their relatives, and a representative from a social

justice charity which works A slowdown in the housing market

is spreading from London to other parts of the South East

of England, surveyors suggest. The Royal Institution

of Chartered Surveyors said the balance of their UK members

reporting price rises in July This is partly due to more

surveyors in the South East reporting house price falls

than the number reporting increases. However, other parts of the country

are still on an upward trend. The driver of a double-decker bus

has been taken to hospital after it crashed into a shop on a busy London

High Street. Police were called early this morning to reports of a

bus hitting a kitchen shop near Clapham Junction in south-west

London. The 77 bus was involved. Paramedics treated six passengers at

the scene. Two people are still trapped on the upper deck.

Schoolchildren in some of the most deprived parts of Wales are getting

free school meals during the summer holidays. They are paid for by the

Welsh government. Half ?1 million of its education budget is going into

these lunch clubs, they include all-day activities. Up to 3 million

children across the UK risk going hungry in the holidays because poor

families can't afford to pay for lunches that are normally provided

by schools, according to a report by MPs brought out earlier this year.

And we'll bring you an exclusive report on this later in this hour.

Facebook has announced its launching a news service designed to compete

with television and services like Netflix and Amazon. Users are soon

going to see a new watch tap that's going to offer a range of shows,

some of which have been funded by the social network. They will also

see comments and connect with friends in dedicated groups.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30.

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For a man who told us yesterday he'd "lost everything",

Isaac Makwala has the chance to be a famous world champion tonight.

The Botswana sprinter had been banned from competing in London due

to the norovirus outbreak, and missed the chance

But after his quarantine period ended yesterday afternoon,

he was given the chance to run a solo time trial in the 200 metres.

He had to achieve the qualifying time.

And, roared on by the crowd, he did - and took his place

He celebrated with a view press ups to show how fit he was.

So around three hours later he was back, and remarkably Makwala

came second in his semi-final, qualifying for the final.

Just behind him in third was Britain's Nathaneel Mitchell-Blake,

The 400 metre champion Wayde Van Niekerk also secured a place.

For Makwala though it was all about the chance to race again

I wish to thank the IAAF for giving me another chance. The crowd is so

amazing. I just want to thank this crowd, they are so amazing.

Mo Farah says he feels a "little beaten up" after qualifying

He hurt his knee and leg in winning the 10k on Friday night,

but says he'll be fit for his last track race at a major competition.

and admitted he didn't enjoy running in the rain.

He'll also be joined by fellow Briton Andy Butchart

after he qualified as a fastest loser from the second heat.

Farah's track retirement is just around the corner and says he wants

You can't dream of something unless you do something about it.

I've been given a chance in life, and I work hard

what I've achieved through hard work and keep grafting.

To all the kids out there, youngsters, you can be like me,

and we've got to start thinking about how we can get

the next generation to leave a legacy behind.

There was late drama in the women's 400 metres.

Olympic champion Shaunae Miller Wee-Bo looked

but went from first to fourth in about ten strides.

The American Phyllis Francis won gold.

England made an impressive start to their defence

of the Women's Rugby World Cup, thrashing Spain 56-5 in Dublin.

Wales lost to New Zealand, and the hosts Ireland won

a nail-biting opener against Australia.

They were leading by nine points after Sophie Spence's try,

but the Australians fought back, and Ireland just clinched it, 19-17.

And Rory McIlory says he has nothing to prove ahead of the US PGA

Championship which starts this evening in North Carolina.

He's among a top-class field, trying to stop the American Jordan Spieth

becoming the youngest player to complete a career grand slam.

The biggest challenge in winning will be the incredible talent out

there this week. I really don't feel any expectations. This is a chance

to complete the career grand slam. I'm here so I'm going to go ahead

and try. But I believe I'm going to have plenty of chances and I'm young

enough to believe in my abilities that it will happen at some point.

Do I have to be the youngest? No, I don't feel that kind of pressure.

The number of people who are sleeping rough

is going to rise by three-quarters in the next ten years,

Nearly 160,000 households, or just under a quarter

of a million people, are experiencing the worst forms

This includes rough sleeping and sofa surfing.

But detailed economic analysis suggests if current housing policies

don't change, the figures will keep on rising.

It's been carried out by academics at Heriot-Watt University

He's a chef who lost his home after becoming unemployed

and slept rough for a year in parks and doorways in London.

Paula Blennerhassett, a former care worker

She spent several months sleeping in her car.

Matt Downie is director of policy at the charity Crisis.

Bob Blackman who is a Conservative MP for Harrow East and former

member of the Communities and Local Government Committee.

was given royal assent earlier this year.

It puts a legal duty on councils to help people facing homelessness.

And in our Oxford studio is Councillor Ed Turner.

He's the Local Government Authority's housing spokesperson

and deputy leader of Labour run Oxford City Council.

Welcome, all of you, thank you very much for coming on the programme.

Matt, how do you project future homelessness? Well, the best

academics in the field about Heriot-Watt have looked into this,

and they have looked at all available data sources for the

different forms of homelessness, so rough sleeping, but also people in

hostels. They predict the future by looking at the current levels of

homelessness and how they are driven, so we know what causes

homelessness, for example cuts in certain types of benefits lead to

different forms of homelessness. Reduction in provisions for people

leads to rub sleeping. So we can reliably predicted, and one of the

messages is that we know what causes homelessness and we know what solves

it, so this is about political decisions going forward. Did

analysis take into account changes from the Homelessness Reduction Bill

when it is enacted? We are really interested in how we get these

numbers down, and the most rheumatic in terms of solutions can be found

in terms of the Homelessness Reduction Act, that will require

councils to deal with the problem early. In Wales, it has happened for

a couple of years, and... So did the economic analysis take that into

account? Yes. I just wanted to check that. Barry, hello to you, very nice

to see you. You lost your home after losing your job and very quickly

fell into homelessness, tell our audience about the places that you

slept in that year. When I became homelessness, I sofa served for a

while, then I was in hostels, and there were times when I was sleeping

in doorways, times I was sleeping in blocks of flats, or in a Parkway.

You mean in the stairwell? Yes, a little bit warmer and a little bit

more safe than being on the street. I had never experienced this before,

it is the first time I experienced it, and it was a new experience for

me. I'm very glad I overcame it. I think it is disgraceful that anybody

has to live like that, I am not just talking about me - anybody. What is

it like? What words would you use to describe it? I think it is shameful,

yeah, that we have to put ourselves in a position where we can evict

people and expect them to sleep on the pavement, and it makes you feel

like you are isolated, you feel rejected by society. You immediately

come under that label where people make stereotypical remarks about

you. You encounter more aggression by members of society. And I think

it's very difficult to do it day in and day out because you are

constantly exhausted, you never have an opportunity to have a decent

night's sleep. Let me bring in Paula, Barry has described it, you

know, in incredibly sad and articulates terms, and you

experienced similar. You were a care worker until you hurt your back, you

lost your job, your mobile home, and a new-found yourself living in your

car for several months - tell our audience what that is life. It is

absolutely terrifying, day by day you are finding something to do, and

then at night it is like not knowing who is outside, because to just get

some privacy, you put towels up at the windows, just to get that tiny

bit of privacy that otherwise you wouldn't get. Eventually, you got

into a homeless hostel, so you had a roof over your head, but it still

wasn't great, was it? Not at all. I was surrounded 24/7 by alcoholics

and track addicts. Some people with mental disabilities. -- drug

addicts. Which I could help, because my training in my work helped me

deal with that. But it was getting harder to not be drawn into, like,

the alcohol stage of it. I had to stay sober 24/7, I couldn't go out,

because I was scared I would get pulled into it. So I chose to stay

completely sober through that time so that I wouldn't get pulled into

the alcohol side of it. Sure. Let me bring in Conservative MP Bob

Blackman, the estimates from Crisis are alarming - if things carry on as

they are, you have heard they take into account the Bill that God Royal

assent earlier this year, as a party that has been in government for many

years, do you accept some responsibility? All governments have

to accept responsibility for people sleeping rough. Including the

Conservative government that has been in power for seven years. The

reality is that the reasons for people becoming homelessness are

very different... Including cuts to benefits. For the last 30 years,

governments of all persuasions have failed to build and of housing in

this country to meet demand. We can all agree on that. The good news is

that is increasing. I put it to you, including the welfare cuts, the

likes that? One of the things that a solution to this... Of course we're

just go to talk about solutions, but do you accept that cuts to welfare

benefits have contributed partly to homelessness? The important thing is

that we build more homes. You are ignoring my question. The reason why

benefit cuts have come in is because of the spiralling cost of friends,

because of the shortage of supply in the first place. So what we have to

do is provide more low-cost housing which councils can then charge

rents... The reason you brought in benefit cuts was to reduce the

deficit. Indeed, and the housing benefit bill has spiralled out of

control over the last ten years. I will try again - do you accept that

cuts to welfare benefits have in part contributed to the homelessness

problem in Britain? No, because as the housing benefit bill increased,

so rents increased, so the reality was that money was being thrown at

the problem, rather than dealing with the problem, which is the

provision of more housing at an affordable level that people can pay

a reasonable rent. What do you say to that? We are going to disagree on

welfare, the leading cause of homelessness is the loss of a

private tenancy, and that is about the affordability gap. In London and

the south-east in particular. I would say that this is not just

about welfare, it is about other things too, and if you go back to

the early 2000s, both the Major government and the Blair government,

there were extraordinary things happening in this country where

people from abroad were looking at us, we were tackling homelessness

really successfully - so we know what works, we prevent homelessness,

that is why the Bill is so important, but when it does happen,

you act quickly, get people do permanent accommodation as soon as

possible, and don't allow people to sort of get stuck in the

homelessness system, people stuck in hostels and night shelters and

refuges for far too long. As Paula suggested, there is quite a lot of

support needs in the system that can prevent people from moving on. Ed

Turner is the leader of Oxford City Council, Labour run, how do you

think the Homelessness Reduction Act is going to impact in your area?

Will it help people? Will it cause you to stop people becoming

homelessness? A lot of councils are doing exactly what the act is asking

us to do, and council workers on the front line see the horrible

consequences that we have heard about every day and wants to help.

Sorry to interrupt, of course they want to help, but we know, because

we have covered it many times, that the priorities are the most

vulnerable - single women with children, young people et cetera. So

people like Paula Barry would not be considered a priority, and this act

will make you consider them priority too. A lot of councils have already

tried to help. The key thing is how we are able to help, and that is why

it is important to return to the point is we have picked up on,

making sure there is genuinely affordable accommodation for people

to go to. I looked on the internet how many affordable properties there

are in Oxford advertised on right move, not one. So build some more

houses, then. That is what we are trying to do. But we're not allowed

to borrow to build council housing above a certain level. What would be

really good is if we can form a delegation to ministers and say

let's stop the red tape that is stopping councils building housing,

that councils borrowed to build, it makes sense for our communities and

will help prevent homelessness. So you are not allowed to borrow to

build social housing. There is a cap on borrowing for building housing.

There is no cap on councils borrowing for other purposes, only

to build housing, it is crazy. What is your limit? It is set in each

individual local authority. In my authority, we have got a small

amount of headroom left, borrowing headroom, and we are not allowed to

borrow beyond that. Every council is in that position, you are not

allowed to - it just doesn't make sense. How much are you allowed to

borrow? In Oxford, the figure is about 250 million, but we had to

borrow 220 million anyway to make a payment to the Government, so we

have a small amount of money to play with, and in some cases councils are

borrowing up to the limit. Why is a lot of money, you could build

thousands of social homes. 220 million has already been paid to

the Government because we were required to do that. Councils say,

let us borrow to build again. At the same time, let's link housing

benefit to real rents in the market. Bob Blackman, your Government is

doing this, what do you say to Ed? We have to have more low-cost

housing, units that can be provided for as little as ?20,000 per unit,

and then allow local authorities to charge the rent on those properties

that is commensurate with the cost of providing them, rather than

market rents, which of course very difficult to afford, and for people

who are unemployed, depending on benefits, it reduces the benefit

bill, allows local authorities to develop housing quickly and more

cheaply, and it is a solution to the problem of the fact that we are not

building and of homes. Right. So with that going to happen, then? It

is not a government policy yet, but I am pushing the Government to look

at it as one of the solutions. The other solutions, by the way, is

housing associations are sitting with large amounts of money in their

reserves that could be used to build more social housing. There are also

councils sitting with large reserves. What have you got in

Oxford? We have got a balance of ?3.5 million over our four year

plan, the minimum we are allowed to go down too. Are not as much as

some. People are not sitting on a war chest, we just want to build

council houses. Some councils are, thank you very much. Paul says there

is little chance of solving the homelessness problem when rough

sleepers are treated as criminals. Very disturbing to see the projected

figures, I live in Runcorn, I have seen the first cases of homeless

people sleeping rough. It is even worse in Liverpool. The bedroom tax

and universal credit have been a big factor in people losing their

houses, amongst other things. And pizzas, I was homeless for two

years, and councils do not care one bit, and only a homelessness charity

helped me, I am now a share. Thanks very much for coming on the

programme. Still to come, North Korea

accuses Donald Trump It talks about plans for sending

four rockets into the sea around the island of Guam. We'll be speaking to

a teacher on the Pacific island which has suddenly found itself at

the centre of a crisis. With some schools in Wales offering free meals

during the holidays, should more be done to tackle holiday hunger in

other parts of the country? Here's Matthew in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. North Korea says its plan to fire

four missiles near the US territory of Guam will soon be ready,

as a war of words with State media said rockets would pass

over Japan and land in the sea about 17 miles from Guam,

if the plan was approved It denounced Donald Trump's warnings

of "fire and fury" and said the US A police chief has said paying

a child rapist ?10,000 as part of an investigation into a grooming

gang was the "right thing". Northumbria Police's Steve Ashman

said the information provided by the man led to the conviction

of 17 men and a woman Charities have criticised the force

for paying the criminal. Labour has accused the government

of selling off valuable hospital assets to help plug a hole

in NHS finances. The amount of Health Service land

in England that has been earmarked for sale has more than doubled

in the past year. Analysis commissioned by Labour

found 117 sites deemed surplus were still in medical

or clinical use. Ministers said selling

land would give vital funding for patient care, and free

up space for much-needed housing. Some prisoners should be able to use

video calling technology to stay It could cut reoffending rates,

the government has been advised. A review by Lord Farmer suggests

so-called virtual visits should be made available for inmates whose

family members who cannot attend jail because of illness,

distance or other factors. Research indicates a prisoner

who receives visits from a visitor is 39% less likely to reoffend

than an inmate who had The driver of a double-decker bus

has been taken to hospital after it crashed into a shop on a busy

London High Street. Police were called early this

morning to reports of a bus hitting a kitchen shop near Clapham Junction

in south-west London. Paramedics treated six

passengers at the scene. Two people are still

trapped on the upper deck. Schoolchildren in some of the most

deprived parts of Wales are getting free school meals

during the summer holidays. They are paid for by

the Welsh government. ?0.5 million of its education budget

is going into these lunch clubs, Up to 3 million children

across the UK risk going hungry in the holidays because poor

families can't afford to pay for lunches that are normally

provided by schools, according to a report by MPs brought

out earlier this year. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10:00am. Isaac Makwala could become one of

the strangers but most celebrated world champions later after being

banned from competing in London because of a Norah virus outbreak.

The Botswana sprinter was given a reprieve via this time trial which

he used to get through to the semifinals. Later on he made the

final, which is tonight. He was particularly happy and full of beans

as well. Mo Farah's progress to the 5000 metres final was secured. He

hurt his knee and a leg in winning the 10,000 metres the other day but

insisted he would be OK for his race on Saturday. Ireland held on to win

their opening match in the women's rugby World Cup beating Australia

19-17 in Dublin thanks in part to that late try. England won

comfortably but Wales lost to New Zealand. Rory McIlroy said he has

nothing to prove ahead of the US PGA championship which starts later

today in North Carolina. He is among a top-class field, trying to stop

Jordan Spieth becoming the youngest player to complete a career grand

slam, he's just 24. Will be live at the London Stadium looking at what's

to come ahead in the world athletics Championships at 10am.

North Korea says its plan for a missile strike on the US

territory of Guam will be ready by mid August.

State media says that if Kim Jong-un approves,

rockets will shoot over Japan and land in the sea about 17 miles

from the island's military bases, just hours after Donald Trump

promised to meet any threat to the United States

He tweeted another statement saying, "My first order as President

was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal."

"It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before."

He also adds, "Hopefully we will never have to use this power,

but there will never be a time that we are not the most powerful

Well it's already 10th August, so how worried should the world be?

Let's go live to Guam and talk to Nelia Grace Mercado

Neila is a teacher on the island and works for the US

Department of Defence at one of their military bases.

Victoria Guerrero is also from Guam and says she is "terrified"

Karin von Hippel from the defense think-tank Rusi,

as well as Dr James Hoare, who used to be Britain's most senior

Nelia, tell me how you and your relatives and children are feeling

on the island right now? What I'm sensing from a friends on social

media and the friends I see everyday, although we are getting as

year and says from a government that we are prepared to protect ourselves

should North Korea send a missile hour wait, we are carrying anxiety

under our hearts in our day-to-day lives. Our governor has asked us to

stay calm and proceed with our lives, but it's quite difficult to

do so. This is the first time that we've heard any formal threat from

North Korea. We are anxious about what's to come, particularly the

latest news that they are going to or are threatening to approve the

release of those missiles, miles away from Guam. We are very

concerned despite assurances from our local government leaders. You

tweeted the president Donald Trump. We can have a look at that now. You

showed a picture of yourself and your children. Why did you do that?

I thought it was important for the president to see the faces of Guam.

Guam isn't some abstract point on the map with an American flag on it.

It's a dimensional community. We have a history and a culture, we

have life that people are fighting to keep, survive and thrive with.

Much like that of any other community in the United States. I

wanted him to understand that their faces. Also, to release the lack of

understanding that much of our nation might have, if not enough

misunderstanding, of what Guam is. I stated to your producer that even

Fox News didn't get their facts right about Guam. For the sake of my

island, I wanted the president to see that there are valuable lives

here, much like his and any of the people in the USA. We are as complex

and as alive as any of the states, and I wanted him to be aware of the

faces for which he is responsible. Are you sending him that photo of

your family because you want to protect you, or are you sending it

to say please tone down your language? I'm sending it that photo

for him to be aware. OK. Let me bring in Victoria. What is your view

of what is going on right now? Do you really think North Korea could

potentially send four rockets into the sea around Guam in the next

week? I think they have the capability, yes. She was right that

this is the first time we are hearing such a direct threat in

terms of here is the time we are going to attack, this is the kind of

attack we are going to do. Guam is readily caught in the middle of

other countries conflicts. We have been told in the past that we would

be attacked by North Korea or China. I believe China has missiles called

the Guam killers. As a mother, this causes a lot of anxiety. Largely

because it is important to understand Guam's history and that

we are a unique people in the world. The indigenous people of our island

have been here for 4000 years. We have been colonised for centuries

and our relationship to America is that of a UN recognised colony.

These conflicts are happening without anything to do with us. The

military presence here has been without our consent. You used to be

written's most senior diplomat in North Korea, if North Korea fires

rockets into the sea around Guam, is that an act of war? Probably not. I

think we are jumping rather ahead. They've talked about making a plan,

then that plan has to be approved. What I think they are doing is

saying we could do this. They are hoping there will be some response

so they can draw back. I don't think the North Koreans are actually

suicidal, and I think that they are concerned that Mr Trump makes these

sorts of throwaway remarks, and that they need to do something to say

that you can't do this without a possible consequence. I don't think

they will necessarily fire their rockets at Guam. If they do, I don't

think those rockets are likely to be terribly successful. One of the

things I think the North Koreans still cannot guarantee is the

accuracy of their weaponry of that type. If they do, what would you

expect Donald Trump to do? I have no idea in the world. What would you

say? It's hard to say. What you are seeing is a US president that has an

ad hoc foreign policy. He doesn't have a team that comes together and

agrees on a strategy and then they all follow it. Secretary of State

Rex Tillerson says one thing, Trump says another thing and Mike Pence

says another thing. It's a really uncomfortable situation. They are

like this on all foreign policy issues but this is potentially the

most dangerous. Although they may not agree on a formal policy, it

seems clear to me Donald Trump is saying if you do anything you will

regret it. But a US president should not be threatening to potentially

use of nuclear force. The president should be trying to calm the world

down. He's talked about firing... He has ratcheted it up instead of

calming down. Dr Hoare, you don't think this is going to be a nuclear

war? I don't know, but there have been equally apparently dangerous

crises in the past. It's not so long since the North Koreans showed the

leader on television with a map on the wall showing the cities of the

United States they could attack. The cities, not some intermediate place

but actually attacking the USA. Of course, they backed away. They

didn't have the capability. They may still not have the capability. I

think that, depending on how Washington react, you have signs

that the North Koreans would quite like to get out of this tense

relationship that has worked up over the last two months. Let's go back

to Guam because we can hear from Nelia's son. Hello. How are you?

Good. You're talking to Great Britain, welcome and thank you.

You're welcome. How are you feeling right now? A bit shy. Don't be,

please! What has your man said to you about what's going on in the

world with North Korea and other world leaders -- mum? That they are

going to launch a missile at Guam, and that's all she has told me. What

about the missiles that protect Guam? There's a missile that

protects Guam, it it's called the antiballistic missile defence

system. Does that make you feel safer? Yes. What about the defences

of Guam? There is a system in place for the region, there are US troops

throughout the region, US troops in Japan and South Korea, almost 60,000

US troops as well as US civilians throughout the region. There are

defences everywhere, but this could easily spiral out of control if both

leaders are not careful to ratchet it back.

Jeshua, finally, what would you say to the leader of North Korea? I

would say, please stop, there are families that live here on Guam. My

grandma just had knee surgery, she is in the hospital, please stop.

Thank you to Jeshua and his mother, and Victoria Guerrero, and Dr James

Hoare and Karin von Hippel from Rusi. Let me read this message,

Michael said that North Korea consistently threatens the safety of

US citizens and Rock write the response, and somehow he is painted

as the bad guy and all of this. -- and Trump rightly response.

Still to come, Facebook's revamped video service, will it be a

competitor to Netflix and Amazon? Schoolchildren in some of the most

deprived parts of Wales are getting free school meals

these summer holidays ?500,000 has been allocated,

which still means only a small number

of schools are covered. A report earlier this year said

that up to three million children across the UK risked going

hungry in the holidays. Catrin Nye has been meeting

children in Cardiff. Can you tell me what your

favourite foods are? It's one of 39 schools in the most

deprived parts of Wales providing breakfast and lunch

in the school holidays, just like they

normally do in term time. For the first time this year,

the Welsh Government's funding lunch clubs,

which also involve You guys have to go

to school all year round. My mum think it's good

because she works, and normally I sit home

with my nan, but because I'm in here,

it makes a big difference. If the parents don't have

enough money, they can put us into school

and then we get to have food. They don't agree on whether school

is better with or without lessons. In summer school we don't have to do

as much work as normal school. Summer school is better

than normal school? Normal school is better,

because you get to learn Can you tell when pupils

in your class haven't eaten, If they're not prepared

for their day, already off on the wrong foot,

it affects mood, Without the fundamentals in place,

children can't learn. This project is all about providing

the meals that you always get I think every parent that brings

a child in here is grateful for it. Lots of different reasons -

childcare, food, entertainment. They're going to be stuck

in the house anyway, aren't they? If the weather is bad,

you can't take them anywhere. At this time, so many people

are struggling, like me. Having to make sure your kids get

fed, not just feeding them with anything but giving them

the right food. We're constantly restocking

the cupboards, constantly doing shopping, sometimes you go

to the shop and at the checkout you go through your receipt to see

if the assistant made a mistake. My daughter is seven,

so bringing her in here They're interacting

with other children, playing, They don't look at it

as they're in school, There are people on free school

meals - suddenly, that is taken away and the family budget has to stretch

that bit further. Do you see children going

without in the summer? In Swansea recently they actually

ran out of food in the food bank. If you think that it's been decided

that children need free school meals because of the amount of income

the family has got, it's not surprising during the long summer

holidays, when suddenly those things are not there,

families are struggling. The summer lunch club costs

about ?30 a day per child. A third of the children who go

to this school have free school meals, but you don't need to be

eligible to get the free We don't qualify, unfortunately,

because my husband receives working tax credits -

not a great amount a week, but because he receives

that, they don't qualify They have sandwiches when they come

to school in term time, this is an added bonus,

because they get a school meal. My favourite food is

chocolate spread sandwiches! Because it has a really good taste,

and it isn't that healthy, but sometimes you can make

yourself free like a bird. You guys have eaten more

of your vegetables than me. A report by a cross-party group

of MPs warned that three million children across the UK risk

going hungry in school holidays. The Welsh Goverment has put ?500,000

of its education budget, controlled in Cardiff

rather than Westminster, Money is very tight,

and at the moment It may not be feasable to run it

in every school, I accept that, but actually in schools

which need it, I think the cost

has got to be worth it. It's part of closing the education

gap, making sure children get food I can't think of anything more

tragic than being able to predict at the beginning of a child's life

what their GCSE results will be. At the moment, the education

departments in England and Scotland are not allocating specific funding

to lunch clubs. Charities and local authorities

are able to set them up, but there are calls for more

central government money. Katrin Nye reporting, more on this

in the next hour of the programme, asking whether this should be rolled

out across the rest of the UK, let me know your views.

Facebook is spreading out into the TV market,

taking on the like of Netflix and Amazon.

Rory Cellan-Jones is here, what are they launching? They are launching a

new tab on Facebook called Watch, where you will be able to watch

original video content. There is already a lot of video on Facebook,

including from this show, and this is just starting in America, you

won't see it in the UK for a while, but a real mark of how competitive

this world is. They are doing some deals, they will get original

content from the likes of BuzzFeed, some American sports franchises,

basketball and so on, and they are offering you the chance to watch TV

through Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg has a slightly cheesy quote,

watching a show doesn't have to be passive, it can be a chance to share

an experience and bring people together who care about the same

things, so what about caring and sharing, but really they are about

advertising revenue. They are already hugely dominant. I think

they are looking at Netflix and Amazon, but also looking at YouTube,

which is owned by Google, the other big powerhouse of the internet in

terms of advertising. They are looking at how much money YouTube is

now churning out for Google, and they are thinking, we would like

some of that. I think it is going to be pitch to the kind of people who

make you know, that whole class of people who make money from

advertising on YouTube - what were amateurs have become professionals.

I think they would like to see some of those people pitching up on

Facebook. But YouTubers got a big start. Yeah... So we will get it in

this country eventually, will we? The option to watch on Facebook if

we want to? Yeah, and I'm sure they will try to do deals with global

content providers... Including the BBC? Who knows?! Of course, we

wouldn't get the advertising money from it. But we would be paid for

our content. If we provide original drama or whatever. Yeah, a question

of where you want your content to end up, Facebook, I mean, there are

concerns about the sheer power of these giant American companies.

Facebook, Google, Apple, Amazon and so on, they dominate our world, and

there is a big battle between them to be the top dog in the online

advertising world. Thank you very much, Rory. Let me bring you some

news about NHS waiting times, it is from our health editor, Hugh Pym.

The number of people waiting for Dean surgery in England in June was

the highest since December 2007. -- for routine surgery. 3.8 million

patients were on waiting lists, 19% were waiting for longer than the

target of 80 weeks. The number of people on waiting lists in June was

the highest since December 2007, the highest for ten years. More on that

later. Still to come, family relationships are key to stopping

prisoners reoffending. A government review is recommending that inmates

should be able to talk to relatives on Skype to get in touch with them.

We will talk to former inmates and their relatives. News and sport and

ten, but first the weather. A lovely start across much of the

UK, some showers around, rain across northern parts of the country, but

look at these lovely pictures, this one from East Yorkshire, blue skies,

and as we drift into Derbyshire, again blue skies, fair weather

cloud, not much more than that. Through the course of the day, for

most of us, with high pressure in charge, staying settled, but this

weather front is still producing some showers, patchy rain across

Kent, and we have got another one across the far north of Scotland,

introducing more cloud, and also some rain, mainly across the

Northern Isles. So a lot of dry weather, fair weather cloud bubbling

up through the day, gentle breezes, in the sunshine, it will feel quite

pleasant. Temperatures roughly where they should be in August, perhaps a

smidgen below. From the Midlands down towards the Isle of Wight,

heading towards the Isles of Scilly, all points in between, we are

looking at a dry afternoon with some sunshine. Sunshine across Wales,

Cardiff up to 20 Celsius, sunny spells for more than island, a

little bit more in the way of cloud. -- sunny spells for Northern

Ireland. Moving across the bulk of Scotland, dry and sunny. Across

northern England, a similar story, dry and sunny. The Midlands seem the

same with justice hang back of cloud, the balance of yesterday's

rain, the remnants of a weather front which could produce a shower.

Not expecting showers in London this afternoon, but a fair bit of

sunshine, temperatures up to 20 or even a 21. Through the evening and

overnight, early evening sunshine, then clear skies developing, but at

the same time a weather front coming in across West of Scotland, Northern

Ireland, that will introduce rain, accompanied by strengthening winds

as it sinks southwards through the course of the overnight period. You

can see why, we have got a cold front that is bringing rain, and

other occlusion culling in right behind it, a weaker affair, but it

does mean, for many parts of England and Wales, we will start on a sunny

note, but as the weather fronts push southwards, with windy conditions,

you will find cloud will continue to build. The far south-east of England

will hang onto the sunshine probably until evening time. But it all goes

through June the course of Friday night, so by Saturday we start on a

chilly note, but a further sunshine around, one or two showers dotted

here or there across the Highlands, highs up to 22, Sunday is also

looking like being mostly dry. Hello it's Thursday, it's ten

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. North Korea says it plans to fire

missiles at Guam will soon be ready. The US warns the North Koreans their

actions could mean the end of the regime.

Although we are getting as you answers from a government that we

are prepared to protect ourselves should North Korea send a missile

our way, we are carrying anxiety and our hearts in our day-to-day lives.

Prisoners relationships with their family are key to stopping them

reoffending and vital to reforming a troubled prison service. We'll be

asking a man who's been in jail three times what impact the support

of his family had on him. A report by MPs said that up

to three million children across the UK risked going hungry

in the holidays. Should more be done

to tackle the growing Here's Matthew in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of todays news. North Korea will reveal its plan

for firing missiles at a US territory within the next few days -

says Pyongyang - and if Kim Jong-Un approves, four rockets could shoot

over Japan towards the South Pacific island of Guam with

its US military bases. Our correspondent Robin Brant

is in Seoul in South Korea - where the mood, despite mounting

tensions, remains calm. For decades, the people of South

Korea and Seoul have lived with the threat of a massive artillery on

their border, and perhaps even the prospect of a nuclear strike. The

focus is shifting to Guam, the obscure island stuck in the middle

of the Pacific. What's interesting here in Seoul, is those people who

live every day with the prospect of military confrontation, and they

remain fairly calm. It's a normal Wednesday, people are heading home

because it's just gone past 5pm. They are a good barometer of how

serious the rhetoric is. We've heard from the chief of the defence staff

saying they are prepared for swift action as usual and reminding

everyone, particularly the North Korean 's, of the close relationship

South Korea has with the United States. If you couple that with

stronger words from the US Defence Secretary Mattis, saying North Korea

would be grossly overmatched, then the signal is very much warning Kim

Jong-Un then, despite the rhetoric coming from both sides, that is a

military confrontation came, then to repeat the words of Defence

Secretary Mattis it could be the end of the regime in Pyongyang.

The number of people waiting for routine surgery in June was the

highest since December 2000 and seven. The figures tell us that 3.83

million patients were on lists for operations. 90.3% were seen within

18 weeks, that is below the target of 92%. There was an increase in the

year-on-year of more than 21% in the numbers of people waiting longer

than 18 weeks. That went up to 373,000. A police chief has said

paying a child rapist ?10,000 is part of an investigation into a

grooming gang was the right thing. Steve Ashman said the information

provided by the man led to the conviction of 17 men and a woman for

abusing girls in Newcastle. Charities have criticised the force

for paying the criminal. Some prisoners should be able to use

video calling technology such as Skype to stay in touch

with their families and cut reoffending rates,

the government has been advised. The review, by Lord Farmer,

suggests so-called "virtual visits" should be made available for inmates

whose relatives cannot attend jail because of illness,

distance or other factors. Research indicates a prisoner

who receives visits from a relative, is 39% less likely to re-offend

than an inmate who had School children in some of the most

deprived parts of Wales are getting free school meals during the summer

holidays, paid for by Half a million pounds

of its education budget Up to three million children

across the UK risk going hungry in the holidays because poor

families can't afford to pay The driver of a double-decker bus

has been taken to hospital after it crashed into a shop on a busy

London high street. Police were called early this

morning to reports of a bus hitting a kitchen shop near Clapham Junction

train station in south-west London. A route 77 double-decker bus

was involved in the incident. Paramedics treated six

passengers at the scene. Two people are still

trapped on the upper deck. The Fire Brigade have now freed

those two people. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10:30am. This photograph of the ex-editor of

Vogue. She edited Vogue for 25 years and put this photograph on her

Instagram page on holiday. I was asking if a picture of a normal

woman like that, someone in her position, does it inspire youth? A

number of people have said what a refreshingly honest picture. Others

have said total hypocrisy because she was the head of a fashion bible

that would never dream of putting a woman that was slightly wobbly on

their front cover. Another view says, good on you, I really want to

see my share of positive imagery that I can relate to. I want to see

positive, fat and older female and male images. It's sad that Vogue and

their like don't lead the way. I realised many years ago we don't

have much in common so I don't buy their product! Thank you.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

Let's get the latest from the World Athletics Championships -

it's day seven, and Jessica is at the London Stadium for us.

Jessica will there be a fairytale ending for

It's been one of the major talking points at the world athletics

Championships. This time yesterday Isaac Makwala was in quarantine

thinking his World Championships were over. Tonight, he'll be

competing for a gold medal in the 200 metres. It was on this very

track when Makwala lined up on the 200 metre line for this remarkable

solo time trial that the IAAF granted him. It was just him against

the clock. None of his rivals around him to spare him on, just him, the

clock and the crowd. It was remarkable, the something you rarely

see in world athletics Championships. Makwala was one of a

group of athletes affected by the stomach bug going around at these

championships. He was prevented from competing. He was refused to race on

medical grounds. He went through the solo time trial, required a certain

qualifying time. He got the qualifying time which meant he went

into the semifinals. He finished that semifinal in second place which

means tonight he will race for gold in front of all the fans who have

really warmed to him in the past few days.

I wish to thank the IAAF for giving me another chance

They didn't need to believe, the crowd being British,

I just want to thank this crowd, so amazing!

I loved the press ups at the end! Just in case we hadn't noticed from

the way he ran that, that message that I'm fine, I do not have

norovirus, and the crowd were fantastic!

We saw Mo Farah back on the track last night and in impressive form.

What is there to look forward to today for British fans?

We weren't sure about Mo Farah and how much that 10,000 had taken out

of him. He seemed to do OK, he was relatively comfortable in the 5000.

He did enough to get through but also to look forward to for the

British fans will be Katarina Johnson-Thompson in the high jump.

It's one of her strongest events. She didn't do as well as you might

have done in the heptathlon in that event. I spoke to Denise Lewis

earlier, the Olympic heptathlon champion from Sydney 2000. She said

Johnson Thompson should fare better despite her disappointment in the

heptathlon. She's a really good high jumper, she holds the British

record. I think she had a blip. Maybe she overbought it in the

heptathlon. She has been adjusting her runway. I think she will be fine

tonight. There is a good chance they might both qualify, fingers crossed.

She went be the only Brit in action, we've got Eilidh Doyle in the final

of the 400 meter hurdles and Nathaniel Mitchell Blake. Hopefully

we might have a few medals to cheer about tonight?

Family relationships are key to stopping prisoners reoffending

and vital to reforming a prison system which, as we have

reported on this programme, has seen a surge in levels

According to a Government review out today, research has shown prisoners

who receive visits from a family member are 39% less

The team behind the research took in over 1,000 submissions from men

in prison, their families, voluntary organisations,

academics and members of staff in the sector,

and recommendations include inmates being able to use Skype

or Facetime on iPads to talk to their relatives at home.

Let's talk now to Cody Lachey, who was released from

He has been in prison three times in the last three years.

Josette Baldacchino, who regularly visited her ex-partner in prison

She now volunteers for Partner of Prisoners and speaks

to other prison families on the organisation's helpline.

Jacob Tas, chief executive of Nacro, a social justice charity which works

They help them to settle back into society and rebuild

relationships, or maintain them, and have submitted

Welcome. Cody, you are released in February, you've been inside three

times in the last three years for witness intimidation and assault on

a police officer, then for an assault on someone else. Your man

came to visit you. You had that contact, you saw the effect on her

and you still reoffended, tell us why. To be honest, my criminality

was embedded within me. I made very bad decisions going forward. It was

only on my third and final stretch where I saw the effect it was having

on my mum psychologically and emotionally, not to mention

financially. That stopped my criminality. I am reformed now and I

campaign for prison reform across the board. Her continuing visits in

those three occasions when you were inside, in the end, they have helped

you make a decision that you aren't going to reoffend again. Yes, I did

think it was down to the visits, I think it was down to the effect it

was having on my mum and I grew a conscience overnight. I came out of

prison and that was it. It's definitely different this time?

Absolutely. I'm staying away from crime, I've got a new circle of

friends, I'm a changed person. Mike rhinestone define the other person

and I've used my experiences to campaign for prison reform

across-the-board -- my crime doesn't define me as a person. Why was it

important to keep close contact with your partner when he was in prison?

I found it was important to keep contact because it gave him

something to look forward to. It gave him something to look forward

to to coming home and it made an impact on our family. I think when

he saw that he understood what he did was wrong. I do agree with the

fact that they should have some kind of video to be able to speak to

them. Often people get sent to a jail that is hundreds of miles from

home. The idea you could go and visit regularly is a nonstarter.

It's really hard for families as they go far. Sometimes even if they

are nearby, it's hard to go on visits. Or if they've got elderly

parents. It was hard, really hard. What's it like going to visit

someone you love in prison and taking your daughter and grandchild

with you? It's not the best experience. Not when you're going to

be searched or when you're going to be treated along the same lines as

the offender. What do you mean? You feel as though you're being treated

as though you what the criminal. Which is extremely hard and not

something you should be put through. That's where the support comes in

from organisations like Partners of Prisoners.

What do you think about these figures that somebody would be 39%

less likely to offend if contact is maintained? You just pulled a face,

Josette! Well, personally, I would have said 50%. The contact with

families, it is very important, and I am not saying that family support

is going to stop all offenders reoffending, because it doesn't. You

are going to get half that are going to look at the family support and

they are going to stop, and another half will just continue to do it,

and it's not what you are a way of life for them. Led me bring in

Nacro, the social justice charity. What about this recommendation that

inmates should be able to talk to inmates on Skype on an iPad, for

example, so relatives can call into prison to talk to their loved ones?

I think it is a very positive development. The whole report, we

strongly support the report from Lord Farmer, and one of the

recommendations is that the preferred is physical meeting,

face-to-face, and having that relationship continue on that basis.

But as we already know, lots of prisoners are far away, quite

difficult to access, and exactly what we heard before, the treatment

of children and family members is usually similar to the end being

treated in prison, which is, of course, not right at all. That could

change tomorrow, couldn't it? It should, and that is another

recommendation, but back to the FaceTime, Skype, regular contact,

how was your day at school for a child, you know, obviously the day

in prison is not so interesting to talk about most likely, but the

relationship with the family members, all with parents or

anybody, to know what is going on, that there is a life outside of

prison, and the stronger the relationship is, the more ties they

have that are worth continuing, the more likely that it is that they

don't want to go back to prison. What do you say to people watching

who will say, well, I don't have an iPad, why should an inmate? This is

not about issuing iPad is as a toy, it will be purely as an instrument

to be able to communicate with, so like a phone. Today you can call,

for example, it is very different as you can see in the report, different

experiences, it is why hard to make phone calls, they are costly for

offenders, it is hard for them to enough money to make phone calls.

For those determined to keep relationships going, we're not

making it easy to do so. So this type of technology will make it

easy, as it is accessible to many of us, through smartphones or... Cody,

you have been inside three times, you know what it is like to lose

your liberty, you think this idea of video calls might lead critics to

say this is softening the prison regime and it is meant to be a place

of punishment? The simple fact is, Victoria, we have seen in the last

week that assault on prisons are at a record high, up 20% on last year.

Self harm, 40,414 incidents in the last 12 months and stuff. The prison

system as a powder keg right now. I cannot stress enough how important

family ties are. Children not seeing their dads because financial

restraints are in place, people having to travel hundreds of miles

to visit, the cost of train fares, the price of food on the visits,

accommodation, things like that, it all plays a part. So it is pivotal.

If you put this in system, this Skype, I believe it will reduce

violent incidents in one way or another, and self harm, which can

only be a good thing, and it will reduce incidents which will reflect

well on the Ministry of Justice. And if reoffending is reduced as a

result of introducing Skype or whatever, then that will save a lot

more money to taxpayers who might be criticising the up the idea of an

iPad in a jail. Very much so, and it will help people not commit further

crime, thereby generating further victims, but it is important,

because we have major issues in our prison system at the moment - we

need to stop writing reports and start taking action to improve the

circumstances, and therefore, when we have these people captured in our

prison, have a relentless focus on rehabilitation, which means giving

them a roof to sleep under, making sure that they have a job somehow,

and these family ties are critically important, to make our society

safer, to reduce the number of people in prison, and therefore have

more money available to make that all happen, that is very strongly

our view at Nacro. That big here, reoffending gusts ?15 billion a

year, that is what reoffending gusts. The Justice Minister, David

Lidington says we are committed to reforming prisons in places of

safety and reform, and families can play a signature control in

supporting an offender. Obviously, they would point out they are

spending money on an extra 2500 prison officers. We will see what

the Government do with this report, they set it up, that doesn't mean

there will follow the recommendations. We hope so. Thank

you very much, all of you. Thank you very much for coming on the

programme, Cody, Josette. Still to come, with some schools in Wales

offering free meals during the summer holidays, should more be done

in other parts of the UK to tackle the growing problem of holiday

hunger? The story of a 20-year-old model

being abducted whilst out on a job in Milan this week

has made global news. and told she would be sold

as a sex slave. who specialises in

the modelling industry and says the problem

of sex trafficking isn't just in the glamour

modelling world - "it's rife" within

the fashion industry. Good morning. What is your evidence

for saying that? Well, there is no... It is with the these sort of

thing you see when you work in the industry. And I have known lots of

models, my wife was a former fashion model. When you say sex

trafficking... That is quite a wide ambit in terms... But what I have

seen is a rather relaxed attitude by some agencies. To what? To girls who

come from abroad, from all over the world, mostly Russia, most of the

fashion models come from Russia. They come very young, sometimes as

young as 14, sometimes older, 17, 16, but still 16, 17 is not that

old. And whilst they don't actually get introduced to promoters, club

promoters, the agencies will have parties at nightclubs, where there

will be alcohol, the girls obviously won't be old enough to drink, and

that environment creates opportunities for predators. I can

see that, but are you saying that young teenagers, teenagers and young

adults, beautiful women from all over the world, are being carpeted

in this country. No. Right. I'm not saying that. But what I'm saying

is... Well, they are, obviously, because there is evidence for that

with police reports and, you know, what have you. But specific to the

fashion industry. Specific to the fashion industry, there is, you

know, what I'm saying is the environment is created where there

is more possibility of that happening, and more could be done by

the agencies to keep these girls safer. And of course anyone can set

up as an agent, anyone can set up as if the dog about. YouGov yeah. --

can set up as a photographer. Yeah. Would more regulation help? There is

regulation at the moment, there is a code of employment agencies, and the

employment business regulation is 2003, and what that seeks to do is

it seeks to put some kind of duty on agencies, that is to save modelling

agencies, to protect models. So for example they have got to check you

ever the hirers are, that they do not have an immoral reputation or

something else, insolvent, but still relevant in another respect. Is that

code working? Obviously, not really, because the agencies themselves are

rather like that in a way they treat models. I'm sure you heard about the

incident in Paris last Fashion Week, where a number of models were locked

in a room for hours whilst everybody went for lunch. So there could be a

lot more done to protect these girls, to give them more confidence.

You know, I have heard of situations where girls have gone to foreign

countries and they have lost their money, you know, lost their wallets,

and the agencies won't help them out, or they find it very, very

difficult to do so. And some of the ways these agreements are framed,

the way in practice the girls are more or less trapped, because they

have got no money of their own, they are 15, in a foreign country, a lot

of them come from rural areas, this is all new to them, because usually

modelling takes place in very big cities, you know, well-known, like

Paris, London, New York, and they, you know, they are given pocket

money, which they deduct from whatever they earn. So these girls,

they say that they are work seekers who can come in and out of the

contract as they like, but in practice they are sort of trapped

there, so in a way the agencies, they can do, they do whatever the

agencies tell and to do. If they say, go to this nightclub, there is

a party, they go there. If someone says, I know you're agencies or

whatever, the next thing you know, I am not saying this happens all the

time, but the next thing you know, a promoter who knows some very rich

men, the girls become prostitutes. Thank you very much, thank you,

Peter. Amazon saw a 50% drop

in the amount of UK corporation tax it paid last year -

despite a 54% increase in turnover. Amazon UK Services received a bill

of ?7.4 million in 2016, compared to almost ?16 million

the previous year. The firm says it meets

its tax obligations. Let's talk to our business editor,

Simon Jack, hello, hello, hello. Corporation tax is what you pay on

profits, which may be the keys here. That is exactly right, there are a

lot of raised eyebrows because their turn-up went up 50%, the global

company made billions and billions, but talking about Amazon UK

Services, the bit of the company where people process your orders and

send them to your house, picking stuff out, putting it in boxes.

Their turnover went up 50%, but the tax bill came down to 7 million. You

are quite right that although their turnover went up, their profits went

down, partly because of the way they pay their staff. They have 24,000

staff in the UK, about 60,000 working in the centres. When you

arrive as a permanent staff member, you get ?1000 worth of shares, there

you go. Over time, if the share price goes up, the value of those

shares goes up as well. You can't catch them in on day one, but when

you do, if they have gone up a lot in value, the company as to account

and say, this is the value of the stuff we gave to our staff members.

For the last couple of years, the Amazon share price has rocketed, so

some of those awards are worth much more, so when the company does its

accounts, it paid this, which is now with that, so the expenses have gone

up, so their profits go down. So good for Amazon, it doesn't cost

them any cash, good for the employees, because they get a

windfall, which they mostly do not have to pay tax on, because while

allowed to receive ?3600 per year from your employer without paying

tax, so good for the employee, good for the company, bad for HMRC,

because they do not see any of this money. So the profits of Amazon UK

Services were about 24 million, they paid just over 7 million in tax, and

that is legit? And if the Government have a problem, they need to put up

rates? Exactly right, and the more the share price goes up, the less

tax HMRC gets, and it is an unusual way for a company, for jobs like

this, for people to be paid. Very common in Silicon Valley, and it is

an approach that has this unusual effect.

It emerged that during the court process that led to 18 convictions

of child abuse in Newcastle, police paid a convicted child rapist

The former editor of Vogue magazine Alexandra Shulman posted this selfie

on her Instagram page. Some say it is refreshingly honest and normal

because that's what we look like in our bikinis, let's be honest. Others

say it's hypocrisy because after years of heading that magazine

packed with thin, tanned women, should never put an image like that

on the cover of Vogue. As a woman, does that image inspire you?

With the news, here's Matthew in the BBC Newsroom.

North Korea says its plan to fire four missiles near the US territory

of Guam will soon be ready, as a war of words with

State media said rockets would pass over Japan and land in the sea

about 17 miles from Guam, if the plan is approved

It denounced Donald Trump's warnings of "fire and fury" and said the US

Earlier, a little boy who lives on Guam begged for calm.

Please stop, there are families that live here on Guam. My grandma just

had knee surgery and she's in the hospital. Please stop.

The number of people waiting for routine surgery in England

in June was the highest in almost ten years.

3.83 million patients were on lists for operations.

Other key NHS targets were also missed -

including urgent referrals for cancer care.

A police chief has said paying a child rapist ?10,000 as part of an

investigation into a grooming gang was the right thing. Northumbria

Police's Steve Ashman said the information he provided led to the

conviction of 17 men and a woman for abusing girls in Newcastle.

Charities criticised the force for paying the criminal.

Some prisoners should be able to use video calling technology such

as Skype to stay in touch with their families -

to help cut reoffending, the government's been told.

A review suggests so-called "virtual visits" should be made available

for inmates whose relatives cannot attend jail.

A prisoner who receives visits from a relative, is around 40 % less

The driver of a double-decker bus has been taken to hospital after it

crashed into a shop on a busy London High Street. Police were called this

morning after a bus hit a shop near Clapham Junction in south-west

London. It was a Route 77 double-decker bus. Paramedics

treated six passengers at the scene, the Fire Brigade freed two people

trapped on the upper deck. Looks pretty nasty.

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

Here's some sport now with Hugh Ferris.

Jess is that the London Stadium again. Good morning.

Isaac Makwala could complete one of the more extraordinary stories

at the World Athletics Championships with a medal later.

After being banned from competing in London because of

The Botswana sprinter was then given a reprieve via this time trial

which he used to get through to the semis of the 200

metres, and then later on he made the final,

Mo Farah's progress to the 5000 metres final was secured,

despite him feeling "a little beaten up".

He hurt his knee and leg in winning 10k gold but insists he'll be ok

for his last major track race on Saturday.

Later Katarina Johnson-Thompson will attempt to qualify

She'll have to improve on her efforts in the heptathlon

Rory McIlory says he has nothing to prove ahead of the US PGA

Championship which starts this evening in North Carolina.

He's among a top-class field, trying to stop the American Jordan Spieth

becoming the youngest player to complete a career grand slam.

Newcastle was yesterday added to the list of towns and cities

where girls have suffered from the predations

17 men of Asian heritage and one white woman were convicted yesterday

for their part in a "cynical organisation" which groomed

vulnerable young girls and women into sex.

That list of towns now includes Rochdale, Derby,

Liverpool, Peterborough, all have seen multiple convictions

of predominantly Pakistani men for child sexual exploitation.

So do we need to be looking further into the reasons

Sarah Champion, the Shadow Secretary for Women and Equalities,

is calling for research into this issue.

She joins us now from Sheffield to explain.

What is it that we need to understand more? I just can't

believe that we are here doing the same story in a different town. This

is going to keep going on and on and on until we grasp the nettle. What

we need to look at is why this specific crime is a caring. This

specific crime is organised gangs of dominantly Pakistani British men

going out and looking for vulnerable children, predominantly girls,

grooming, exploiting, trafficking, abusing them across the country.

What frustrates me is that we are not going to the root of the

problem. We aren't protecting our children properly so they understand

about this crime. We also now have probably hundreds of these

perpetrators in jail, so let's start doing some research. The government

needs to paid to do research and see what are the commonalities. It's not

rocket science. This is a specific group of men doing this crime so

let's understand why. What are the drivers? What can we do to prevent

it in the future? I don't want to be sitting here in another six months

with another town. It's getting too much, Victoria. I hear your words

for money to be put into research but what do you believe could be at

the root of the problem? Obviously it is a complex issue but what kind

of things are you thinking could be at the root? This is me guessing

because I don't know, I'm obviously not Pakistani but I know

particularly the Pakistani women I talked to. There does seem to be

that women and girls are not as respected as much as boys are

respected. There seems to be, I don't know if there is a manual on

the inter-net but there seems to be a tight pattern of how the grooming

process happens. This is obviously being shared amongst members within

the Pakistani community. The girls that I've worked with, not only in

Rob but other towns are being trafficked to the different towns

where we are seeing this pattern happening. There have -- we have to

get to the root of it and address it. I'm sorry it's quite unpalatable

for some people. The reason I'm a bit fragile is I was up all night

worrying. I know that Islamophobia is getting more and more in this

country. I know there will be a backlash against the Pakistani

community with me saying this. I also know that we have to do

something, because this is a minority of people. Unless we stop

them and deal with them as abusers, deal with them as paedophiles, the

whole community is getting smeared by this. We have to be grown up and

deal with it. You say it may be unpalatable to some but unpalatable

to everybody, surely we can agree on that, is young girls being targeted,

groomed and raped aged 12, for goodness' sake. You would think so,

but unfortunately when you look at the two enquiries into the failings

in the city of Robbie Renwick, what we see is not the front line staff

but middle management staff saying to front-line workers take out the

word Asian when identifying people -- the city of Rotherham. Front line

staff have been told they are racist for saying this. They aren't being

racist. This is an identifiable characteristics. They all belonged

to one motorbike gang we would be dealing with that accordingly. We

have to deal with this. Thank you. Sarah Champion, shadows is a gradual

state for women and equality is. Coming up. Alexandra Shulman has

been praised for that selfie, is she an inspiration or a hypocrite?

Should never put that on the front of her former magazine, would she?

-- she would never put that on the front of her former magazine.

School children in some of the most deprived parts of Wales are getting

free school meals these summer holidays paid for by

?500,000 has been allocated which still means only a small

A report earlier this year said that up to three million children

across the UK risked going hungry in the holidays.

We played you Catrin Nye's full report earlier -

here's a short extract before we have conversation about this.

Can you tell me what your favourite foods are?

What did you have for lunch yesterday?

And how many bowls did you have? Three bowls?!

It's one of 39 schools in the most deprived parts of Wales

providing breakfast, lunch and activities

It's funded by the Welsh Government's education department,

a budget controlled in Cardiff rather than Westminster.

Do you guys have to go to school all year round?

My mum think it's good, because she works, has a full-time

job, and normally I sit home with my nan, but because I'm

If the parents don't have enough money, they can put us into school

I think every parent that brings a child in here is grateful for it.

Lots of different reasons - childcare, food, entertainment.

At this time so many people are struggling, like me.

Having to make sure your kids get fed, not just feeding them

with anything but giving them the right food.

They're interacting with other children, playing,

They don't look at it as they're in school,

You guys have eaten more of your vegetables than me.

A report by a cross-party group of MPs warned that three million

children across the UK risk going hungry in school holidays.

A third of the children who go to this school have free school

meals, but you don't need to be eligible to get the free

If you think that it's been decided that children need free school meals

because of the amount of income the family has got, it's not

surprising during the long summer holidays, when suddenly those things

are not there, families are struggling.

This is still only in a tiny proportion of the schools in Wales

and at the moment the education departments in England and Scotland

are not allocating specific funding to lunch clubs.

Charities and local authorities are able to set them up,

but there are calls for more central government money.

Let's talk now to Daphine Aikens, she holds breakfast and lunch clubs

Lindsay Graham is talking to us from Cardiff, where she's visiting

schools there and comparing how free school meals are being effective.

And Ruth Smeeth, on the Parliamentary committee on hunger.

Welcome. How much of a demand I use seeing in London? We see a big

increase every year in the summer holidays, and the Christmas

holidays. We see many more children in the food bank and attending our

holiday clubs. It's a club which provides loads of activities and a

meal at lunchtime. Yes. Yesterday we had about 40 children in our W 12

branch and another 30 in our full branch. About 70 people a day.

That's going up? The amount of people needing food holiday clubs is

increasing. What is your expertise in this area? I've done a Winston

Churchill Fellowship in America to look at their policy on summer

meals. I've been looking at Best practice and innovation in holiday

provision in this country. I wrote a report about the days of the year

where children don't access free school meals. It's not just the free

school meals, it's all the other services that children need to

access as well through education, health and social services. How is

it working in parts of Wales? I think this is gold standard stuff.

I'm going to see one of the schools and see it working. The schools are

public venues and they are closed for 13 weeks of the year. They are a

good place to do a good service like this and all credit to the Welsh

government for what they've done here. Ruth Smeeth, thank you for

talking to us. Some people are watching you who will be thinking

there is no way in 2017 that parents cannot afford to feed their kids, if

potentially they budget properly. What do you say to that? I think

we've got to be really aware of what we are talking about. If your child

qualifies for free school meals during the summer holidays you have

to pay for a minimum of five extra meals per day but probably more

likely ten if they qualify for free breakfast as well. That's ten extra

meals per child per week. When you add onto that the fact all research

is saying one third of parents are going without food at some point

during the school holidays in order to feed their children, this isn't

just a matter of budgeting, this is about how we feed our children. We

are one of the richest countries in the world what's happening in the

country is heartbreaking. What kernel stories do you hear from

parents when they dropped their children off in the summer holidays?

A lot of stories about people on low incomes, so families where parents

are working, but when it comes to the school holidays, they are not

getting free school meals, whether breakfast and lunch or just to

lunch, and it is a huge increase on family budgets. I had a lovely mum

withered two little boys, and she is a victim of domestic violence who

had to leave home in the middle of the night, arrived at a hostel in

London, she doesn't have any... She can't work, she has just arrived,

trying to get the kids settled into new accommodation, she doesn't have

any benefits. And the holiday club is a godsend for her. But you are

saying there are children there with parents, two parents who both work,

and they still need free school meals during the holidays.

Absolutely, it is a chronic issue, because they are not earning enough,

and in the holidays, the extra cost of that food can be ?30 per week per

child according to the all-party report on anger. And that is a lot

of money for anybody, let alone somebody on a low income. So who

pays for the meals when they come to your club? We appeal for funding, so

the Innocent Project Ara funded some Trussell Trust foodbanks, and we

have also had donations. Lindsey, what you see in Wales, which you

have described as the gold standard, you think it should be funded by

British taxpayers? I think from the report, there were six specific

recommendations, and I was just sitting writing the number of

programmes, big scale programmes that I have seen across the UK, and

there are about 14. But there are hundreds of these projects across

the country, and there is a mixture of funding, and this report

suggested that it isn't the Government's duty alone. The

commercial world and the third sector and the statutory sector are

picking it up. In Wales here, it is joint funding through the Welsh

Government. We all have a duty to ensure that our children are well

cared for, we can't ask them to be the global citizens, politicians,

doctors and nurses of the future unless we start looking after them.

It is a child poverty issue as well. We have got families who are

homeless, zero-hours contracts, upstream measures are needed to

tackle child poverty, as well as the downstream measures. We cannot have

hungry children in this country, it is a national disgrace. A couple of

messages from Sue, whilst I have sympathy for anyone who struggles to

be their children, 30 years ago we had no help from government. Lara

says, it is a great idea, but surely it should not need to be done in one

of the richest countries in the world in 2017. I agree that it

definitely shouldn't need to be done, and what I am really asking

for from government is support for those community groups, which does

include funding, who are providing this. In my own constituency this

summer, we have had a series of pilots happening, demand has

exceeded expectations. We have had one of the play centres, we were

expecting 25 kids a day, we are averaging 90. We have got other

opportunities happening across my constituency, where dozens of

children, and this is the first year we have been able to put together an

initiative to fund it, it is being funded locally, as well as through

the national lottery and others. I want national funding plus a level

of safeguards so that people can do it properly, there is support for

community groups trying to do this. But I couldn't agree more, it is a

disgrace and simply shouldn't be happening in the 21st century. Act

for coming on the programme. -- thanks. The number of people waiting

for routine NHS surgery in England in June was the highest in ten