09/08/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

Our top story today - tensions escalate as Donald Trump

threatens North Korea with "fire and fury like the world has never

seen" and the state retaliates by threatening to strike

He has been very threatening, beyond the normal state,

and, as I say, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power

the likes of which this world has never seen before.

TRANSLATION: Pli plans would be met with an all-out war, wiping out all

the strongholds of enemies including the US mainland.

We'll look at what could happen next.

People are having surgery to stop themselves needing the loo while out

and about because of a lack of toilets.

I'm so much healthier because, in general day-to-day,

at university, I used to dehydrate myself.

I wouldn't drink all day, because I'd need the toilet.

Paralympian Anne Wafula Strike who was forced to wet herself

on a train when she couldn't find a loo has an exclusive report

The Fire Service has drafted in 60 councillors to help treat

traumatised firefighters who are struggling to cope with the after

effects of battling the Grenfell Tower fire. We'll bring you the

story after 10am. Hello and welcome to the programme.

We're live until 11am. Today is exactly ten years

since the credit crunch hit the UK, leading to the global financial

crisis and forcing many of you out of your jobs,

your home, your business. This morning, we'll look at how

people have recovered. Do get in touch and share your

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at the standard network rate. A group of French soldiers on patrol

in a western suburb of Paris have been hit by a car.

Six of them were injured. Four seriously. A search is under way for

the vehicle and the driver. The local mayor said he had no doubt

that it had been a deliberate act. Those are all the details we have at

the moment. Six soldiers injured after being hit by a vehicle. Four

of those soldiers are said to be seriously injured. The local mayor

saying he had no doubt it was a deliberate act. As soon as we have

more details, of course, we will bring them to you.

Tensions between the US and North Korea have

President Trump has warned Kim Jong Un that if he goes

on threatening America, his country will face

"fire and fury, like the world has never seen".

North Korea says it is considering carrying out missile strikes

on the American territory of Guam, an island in the Western Pacific.

Suzanne Kianpour reports from Washington.

North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States.

They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.

Unprecedented language from an American president.

Donald Trump officially escalated the US stand-off with North Korea

North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States.

A report by US Intelligence officials saying Pyongyang has

produced a nuclear warhead small enough to fit inside its missiles -

that much closer to the capability of striking the United States.

The President's angry response could throw a wrench into hopes

After a rare unanimous vote in the UN Security Council to slap

strong sanctions on the regime - a move meant to bring

North Korean State News says Kim Jong-un is already weighing

a plan to strike the US Pacific territory of Guam which appears

to have been in place before Mr Trump's remarks.

President Trump often criticised his predecessor,

Barack Obama, for not sticking to his red lines in foreign policy

when he was here in the White House, but now, Mr Trump has drawn a red

The question is - what happens if North Korea crosses it?

Let's go to our correspondent Yogita Limaye, who's in Seoul.

Well, the Government here have said that it remains vigilant to the

threat from North Korea. What they've also said is they are

strengthening their defence capabilities, their joint defence

capability with the US. The president has reportedly said that

the defence system needs to be overhauled in light of this threat,

but what South Korea has been doing is following a two-track policy.

While it is strengthing its defence policy, but it said it is open to

talks with its northern neighbour. It is an offer that the president

had made some time back. It was an offer reiterated by the country's

Foreign Minister. North Korea has not responded. If you go out on the

streets of Seoul and you talk to people. It is a mixed reaction. Some

of them aren't really that bothered by the news that's coming out

because they say they've they'reed these threats so many times from

Pyongyang, that they are almost used to it and they think North Korea

could be bluffing. There are others who are worried. A woman I met who

said she was concerned and she wishes everyone would just live in

peace. The fact is that, it is true of the this is what people here have

heard for a long time. But in the current context, there is also now a

leader in the US who is using extremely strong language and when

that comes together, you know, this war of words is intensifying more

than perhaps we have seen in recent years.

Thank you very much. Thank you.

Let's remind you of the breaking news from Paris where a police

operation is under way after a group of patrolling soldiers were hit by a

vehicle. Six soldiers are reported to be injured. Two of them, we're

told, seriously injured. The police are searching for the vehicle

involved. The local mayor says he has no doubt it was a deliberate

act. "It is anodious act of aggression. ." The car in question

who hit the soldiers was a BMW. So a police operation is under way in

Paris after a group of soldiers was hit by a bflt MW as they were on

patrol in a western suburb. Six soldiers are reported to be injured.

Two of them seriously. And obviously an operation is under way to find

the vehicle and the driver. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary A British Paralympian who was forced

to wet herself on a train tells us the lack of accessible toilets for

disabled people is unacceptable. She says despite a Government promise

that it would never happen again, she exposed examples of others who

found themselves with no other option but to urnnate on themselves

during a train journey. You can watch her film coming up shortly.

500 new medical school places will be made available in England

next year as the Gvernment attempts to boost the number of home-grown

The target is to increase the total number of training places

by a quarter by 2020, to help ease staffing pressures.

The British Medical Association says it won't address

Children's services are being "pushed to breaking point" due

to increased demand and cuts in council budgets according

The LGA says three-quarters of English councils overspent

on child social care by a total of more than ?0.5 billion.

A Government spokesman said councils would receive around ?200 billion

This programme has learned that the fire service has drafted

in 60 counsellors to help treat traumatised firefighters

The figure is more than ten times the number who normally

We'll be hearing from the London Fire Authority

Those who commit cruelty against animals "are getting away

with it" due to the "leniency" of UK courts, according to a report.

Of the nearly 14,000 people found guilty of animal cruelty in England

and Wales from 2005 to 2015, more than 92% avoided

prison, the Centre for Crime Prevention says.

It has called for the maximum sentence for offenders to be

increased from six months to five years.

The Government says it is reviewing the matter.

It's exactly 10 years today since the start

It started with a warning from French bank BNP Paribas

about US housing loans and ended with a global credit

crunch as governments around the world propped up banks that

Here banks including Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds TSB had to be

rescued with billions in taxpayers' money.

The AA says seven out of ten drivers avoid parking spaces that

It says motorists, especially the older ones,

prefer to pay with cash, even if the meters

The AA says that many are put off by administration fees and voice

Kenya's incumbent President Uhuru Kenyatta has taken a strong lead

as votes are counted after Tuesday's election.

With more than three-quarters of results in,

Mr Kenyatta has a lead of close to 10% over his rival.

However, the opposition coalition has rejected the figures,

and has accused officials of publishing fake results.

Tributes have been paid to the American country music star,

Glen Campbell, who has died after what his family called

a "long and courageous battle" with Alzheimer's.

He was famous for hits including Rhinestone Cowboy

Dolly Parton said he had "one of the greatest voices of all time".

Let's go to Paris and talk to Johnny Diamond. A police operation Sunday

way. What can you tell us? This is as a result of attack that took

place just under an hour, maybe an hour ago now. A man or a woman, we

don't know, a driver drove into a group of soldiers in the north

western suburb, it is 15 minutes drive in the BBC bureau in the

centre of Paris. The car injured six of the soldiers. Two of them

seriously. Now, those soldiers were part of Operation Sentinal that's in

place since 2012, since the attacks on the magazine, Charlie Hebdo. The

mayor said it was an intentional attack. As I say, two soldiers

seriously injured and four lightly injured. Perhaps of greatest concern

after those injuries is the fact that the driver and the vehicle are

still at large. There is a large and very serious police operation going

on throughout Paris to try and track down the driver and the vehicle

whilst investigations are carried out the site itself. You mentioned

the Charlie Hebdo attacks, but France has seen numerous attacks

like this in recent years, hasn't it? In recent years, in recent

months. In fact, there has been, I think, you might call it an

uncharacteristic lull in the three months since the presidential

election here. An election campaign that was marked by a number of, what

you might describe as relatively low level attacks. There have been

shootings at police officers in the Champs Elysees a couple of minutes

walk from where I am here. There was an attack on a group of soldiers who

were on guard outside the Louvre, the great museum, one of the most

visited museums in the world. Four Parisians, for the inhabitants of

cities around France, the state of alert is a reality because there

have been attacks large and small really coming in the last few years

in a fairly unseizing flow, whether it has been of the terrifying scale

of that of Nice were more than 80 people were killed when a man drove

a truck through celebratory crowds or whether it is isolated attacks, a

French priest having his throat cut in his own church, in a fairly

isolated country church, this has become a normal state for France and

this is why this operation is in place, both to reassure the

population with high-profile patrols, but also to dissuade and

deter those who might carry out the attacks. The risk obviously is that

the operation itself becomes a focus for attacks and that appears to have

been the case this morning here in the city of Paris, in the suburb of

the city of Paris, 15 minutes drive from the centre. Thank you. I know

you will be back with us as soon as you have more information. We will

keep you updated throughout the morning.

And yesterday's World Athletics Championships news

was dominated by a man who ultimately wasn't competing.

Yes, Isaac Makwala. He wanted to run but it did not happen. He was turned

away from the London stadium because of a suspected norovirus. The IAAF

decided that they didn't want to risk affecting other athletes. Wayde

van Niekerk took a gold medal comfortably in the end. Afterwards

he told everyone that he was actually gutted not to take on his

closest challenger. And there he is crossing the line.

I would love him to have his fair opportunity.

I believe he would have done very well this championships and,

like I said earlier, I've got so much sympathy for him.

I really wish I could even give him my medal.

Meanwhile in the 800 metres a quick mention

about Britan's Kyle Langford - he missed out on the podium

finishing fourth, but he's not letting the disappointment get

to him too much saying he's now focusing on the Tokyo

So we're halfway through the tournament and that target

of Great Britain getting between 6 to 8 medals isn't really looking

England women start the defence of the rugby World Cup.

Yes with England, Wales and Ireland all playing their first games later

but as the action gets under way, there's a row over

whether the England team are getting paid fairly,

The Rugby Football Union are changing the way they pay

So in the future, they'll only pay the women who play the version

of the game with seven players, rather than the traditional,

Joined now by former England rugby captain Sue Day.

Thanks for joining us. It is a brilliant time for win in's sport.

We have had World Cup cricket, football, and this tournament will

be watched by people all over the world, which is exciting. Really

exciting. We have seen coverage for winner's sport increased so much

with over 100 million people watching the women's cricket World

Cup and our team go to victory is so exciting to see how many people

across the globe get the chance to watch this rugby World Cup. I want

to take about the tasty line-up. England, defending champions, will

mumble one, taking on Spain. We have Ireland versus Australia and Wales

taking of New Zealand. Do you think England have it in them to defend

the World Cup? Very much so. They just about going to this as

favourites having beaten New Zealand in New Zealand in the summer, having

lost to New Zealand before that, when they were over here. England go

into it as favourites. They are not talking about defending the trophy

but winning this tournament. A strong pack and they have a great

chance. You talk about Wales playing New Zealand, that is a tough game

first up in a World Cup. New Zealand have won the last four World Cups

prior to the last one. The row I was talking about is after the

tournament, the 15s will not exist and they will only pay the sevens

side. How do you feel? The players always knew these were short-term

15s contracts. The RFU have said loudly it is a temporary thing and

they aren't looking at having full-time contracts for the players,

the 15s included in the long-term. In the short-term they are focusing

on investing a lot of money in a club game in England. The

infrastructure would therefore be there in the future when players

hopefully go professional long-term, they will be able to go back to

clubs to play full-time and trained with the best coaches. Disappointing

now there are not long-term full-time contracts but I'm hopeful

it will happen soon. Thank you. That is all, we will be back at 9:30am.

Next this morning, in an exclusive report a British Paralympian

who was forced to wet herself on a train journey last year

because the disabled loo was out of order tells us the lack

of accessible toilets for disabled people is unacceptable.

Anne Wafula-Strike says despite a government promise that it

would never happen again, in a film for us, she's exposed

examples of others who've found themselves with no other option,

but to urinate on themselves on a train journey.

In her investigation for this programme, the wheelchair racer

speaks to people who've resorted to drastic measures including having

surgery to stop them needing the loo when they're out.

I have won medals in wheelchair racing, I have an MBE.

But last year I was forced to wet myself on a train.

I was on a cross-country route from the Midlands to Stansted.

The accessible toilet was out of order.

It was one of the most humiliating experiences of my life.

At the time, the government's rail minister told me he was committed

to ensuring no passenger would go through this again but eight

months on, we can reveal it's still happening.

I booked the journey to Birmingham six weeks in advance

But I found the toilet was out of order when I got on the train.

It seems a lack of accessible toilets is a problem everywhere.

Many are out of order, not fit for purpose or just filthy.

Parents are changing their children on floors covered in urine.

There are people out there that are changing people

on toilet floors all day, every day, in towns

The issue is so extreme that some people are opting for unnecessary

surgery because there are no toilets for them to use.

I had a catheter fitted which means I don't have to get out of my chair

I can go to the toilet wherever I want now.

These are the realities faced by people living

I've come along to my local athletics track in Harlow to chat

to people about what they've come up against.

You go out on a night out, bearing in mind half the clubs

you kind of can't really get into because of the steps,

and you find a club that you can get into...

And then the toilet is used as storage.

Because they've got storage in there.

And then when you ask to go in there, they say, I'm sorry.

What seems worse, they're not even maintained properly.

I was camping a few years back, I phoned up and said,

Got there, and I said, where is the disabled toilet?

I just got off my chair, crawled along the floor, climbed up

You literally got on the floor from your wheelchair

And then you don't want to complain because you just feel like you're

It's like, they don't really understand.

The only able-bodied people who do understand are the parents,

and people who have got friends or children with disabilities.

Under the Equality Act, businesses have a legal duty to make

reasonable adjustments so that their loos are accessible

But recent research suggests as many as 40% of restaurants and a third

of department stores still don't have appropriate toilets.

Some people are taking the problem into their own hands.

At 20, Manny decided to undergo surgery she had no need

for because she couldn't find anywhere to go to

Just down to my favourite cocktail bar.

Oh, you're taking me to a cocktail bar, wow!

She's used a power chair since he was three and needs a hoist

Manny, you like going out with your friends,

and I know when you're out you want to have a drink or you want

How is that like? So, when I first went to university,

I would avoid drinking as much as I could, because if I needed

the toilet, I'd have to go home and leave the night out early,

because I'd need a hoist and a plinth to be able

Two years next month, I had a catheter fitted which means

I don't have to get out of my chair to go to the toilet.

So I can go to the toilet wherever I want now, so it's incredible.

It's completely changed my life, I'm so much healthier because I can,

not on nights out but in general day to day, I used to,

at university I used to dehydrate myself,

I wouldn't drink all day because I need the toilet.

They create a hole just beneath your belly button to put

And basically, it's like putting a needle in and a slightly bigger

needle in and a slightly bigger needle until the hole is big enough

I just can't believe that you actually opted

to have an operation without any medical need.

Yeah, no medical need, I wasn't incontinent.

My urologist called it socially incontinent, where basically,

it meant I was incontinent when I was out because I

Because there wasn't the facilities there.

And although it's incredible and it's life changing

and I wouldn't change it for the world, I kind

of wish I didn't have to in the first place.

I was shocked to hear what lengths Manny was forced to go through.

She maintains it was worth the risks.

What has this operation meant for you?

It's given me a lot more freedom, a lot more independence.

I don't have to worry about having inaccessible toilets,

I can just go out and have fun like anyone else.

I've got so many friends that have had them done.

It's quite ridiculous how many people have had to go through it

just to be able to go to the toilet when they're out.

Personally, I sort of feel like it's not fair that young people

with certain disabilities are actually going to the length

of having operations that they do not need.

I mean, there's always things in life that you kind of can't do

I mean, there's always things in life that you cand and can't do

I mean, there's always things in life that you can and can't do

but not being able to go to the toilet, purely

because there's no facilities there, is just ridiculous.

There are actually some public toilets in full with severe

There are actually some public toilets people with severe

They are called changing places toilets.

They have more spaces and specialist equipment but there are only around

a thousand across the UK, and it's estimated a quarter of

There aren't any in some parts of the country.

It's been really good, we've got nine changing places

Lorna needs one for her daughter Emily Mae, who has

Lorna, tell me, how does a changing places toilet look like,

how does it work, and why is it important?

Well, this is an adult changing bench and it actually

And that means that you can lay somebody on there to have their

I've been changing my daughter on a baby change facility

for a long, long time, but she's obviously

And we need adult changing places toilets like these.

Because without these, I'd either have to change her on the toilet

floor or find somewhere else to change her.

But the other important bit of kit is that you've got this hoist.

So you can hoist somebody out of their wheelchair onto the adult

changing bench or you can hoist a person onto the toilet.

So are you telling me that without certain facilities,

So are you telling me that without such facilities,

you actually have to change your daughter on this floor?

There are people out there that are changing people on toilet floors

all day every day in towns and cities across the UK.

There's people with very low immunities who are at risk

of catching infections from toilet floors.

There are people with feeding tubes, tracheostomies, all sorts of things

that you do not want to get dirty, and which could actually kill

somebody if they got an infection into it.

I want these in all large public buildings, and I'm not

talking little teashops, I'm talking cinemas, theatres,

hospitals, town halls and in larger public buildings.

Particularly when they're being built brand-new.

And also equipment like this, to have a facility like this,

You see why some businesses would say why it's expensive to afford.

I can understand small businesses, but we're talking about a lot

There's a shopping centre near us that's just spent ?180,000

They have not included a changing places toilet facility.

There are people who cannot go out just because of a simple toilet,

A recent government committee recommended this toilet should be

made compulsory in large buildings that serve the public,

but no legislation has been put in place to make that happen.

But will it happen went access to standard disabled

Despite promises that no one else would have to suffer

the humiliation I went through, in May, Virgin Trains had

He was forced to wet himself because the accessible toilet on one

I booked a journey to Birmingham six weeks in advance,

But I found the toilet was out of order when I got on the train.

When I arrived to check in at the station, someone

somewhere knew that that's when it was out of order.

And someone should have given me the choice to either take the risk,

maybe travel anyway, or get a later train.

But nobody told me the toilet was out of order and nobody gave me

those choices and they didn't communicate with me at all,

I was disgusted by the attitude of the train company that

I was angry about the train company's negligence,

knowing that there was a passenger, a wheelchair user, needing that

They should have got the toilet ready and had it in working order.

You know, after I had my accident on the train, when I wet

myself on the train, I had a meeting with

And he assured me that no such incident would be

I think that assurance is completely worthless,

The Minister hasn't managed to fulfil that promise.

Do you think many people, wheelchair users will continue

to wet themselves on the trains because the toilets

Yes, I've spoken to many wheelchair users and it's

And I'm sure it's going to happen many times again.

I've never had a problem on the line we are travelling on at the moment,

but there is clearly still an issue across the UK.

So I've decided it's time to go back to the rail minister

He tells me they are working on an action plan to

improve access ability across-the-board in transport.

Paul, you know, when I had my terrible incident on the train,

you promised that no other passenger would have to suffer

So, what guarantee can you give us that there's

I'm hoping that when people see the accessibility action plan,

they will see in it a range of ideas that will not just make sure

passengers get a better service on the day, but that we can work

more tactically and more strategically to make sure that more

toilets are in service on trains in the first place.

What are you going to do to make sure that the train companies

actually serve the disabled traveller?

There is strict legal rules in place as to what threshold of achievement

The office for road and rail enforces that and I've been

very clearly to them, I want them to take it

Talking to the minister, this action plan could be a step

in the right direction, but we don't know the details

There's around seven million working age people

People may not understand why such a fuss is being made about toilets.

But when you have a disability, knowing you're not defined

So, this is not just an issue about access to toilets.

It's about access to all areas of life.

It has happened quite a few of you. Mum on a mission said, "This

happened to me and my son this week at a big supermarket. Disabled

toilets are not fit for purpose. It was embarrassing for me, but

degrading and uncomfortable for my son."

If this has happened to you, then let me know because we'd

like to talk to you via Facetime or Skype on the programme today.

Put your number on your message and we'll call you back.

More on this to come through the programme this morning.

Let's return to the breaking news this morning.

Police in Paris say a group of French soldiers on patrol

in a western suburb have been hit by a car.

Dymond Is in the French capital and gave us this update.

Well, this is as a result of an attack that took place just under an

hour ago, maybe an hour now. A man or woman, we don't know, a driver,

drove into a group of soldiers in the north western suburb of

Levallois-Perre. It's about 15 minutes drive from the BBC bureau in

the centre of Paris. The car injured six of the soldiers, two of them

seriously. Those soldiers were part of what is called Operation

Sentinell a heightened state of counter terror alert that's been in

place now since 2012, since the attacks on the offices of the

satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo. The mayor of the neighbourhood,

Levallois-Perre said this is an intentional attack. As I say, two

soldiers seriously injured and four lightly injured and perhaps of

greatest concern after those injuries is the fact that the driver

and the vehicle are still at large. There is a large and very serious

police operation going on throughout Paris to try and track down the

driver. We will keep you up-to-date

throughout the morning. Tensions between the US

and North Korea have Pyongyang says it's

considering launching a ballistic missile strike close to the US

military base on Guam President Trump has declared

that any further threats from the North Koreans will be met

with a devastating response. This programme has learned

that the Fire Service has drafted in 60 counsellors to help treat

traumatised firefighters The figure is more than 10 times

the number who normally We'll be hearing from

the London Fire Authority 500 new doctors will be recruited.

It is to help ease staffing pressures. The British Medical

Association says it won't address the shortage of medics.

Kenya's incumbent President Uhuru Kenyatta has taken a strong lead

as votes are counted after Tuesday's election.

With more than three-quarters of results in,

Mr Kenyatta has a lead of close to 10% over his rival.

However, the opposition coalition has rejected the figures,

and has accused officials of publishing fake results.

We will keep you up-to-date throughout the morning with the news

from morning. Paris throughout the morning.

Four former footballers - all survivors of childhood

sexual abuse - are calling on the Government to introduce

new laws to protect children from the kind

David White, Derek Bell, Ian Ackley and Paul Stewart,

three of whom are here in the studio with us today, set-up

Save to improve safeguarding in football and to help other

with former footballers who were

abused during their childhood - many on this programme -

hundreds of people came forward to report abuse to the police.

Let's talk now with three of the four former professional

Former Man City and England player David White, former Newcastle player

Derek Bell and Ian Ackley, who way back in the 1990s spoke up

Welcome all of you. David tell us more about Save and how you came to

set it up? We didn't intend to set it up. That's the most important

thing. On the back of last November we were invited individually to the

FA. From day one we found them very, very receptive. We found them very

professional. The safeguarding policies very thorough and they let

us in and we have been working with them on a fairly regular basis since

then and it just developed. It just seemed to become the right thing for

us to do, for us to, I suppose, we have been working quietly in the

back ground for us to say this is what we have been doing. This is

what we're going to be doing in the future. So Save safeguarding the

victim and victim engagement and we want to actually sort of celebrate

the thoroughness of we believe safeguarding that is in football and

probably in other sports for the FA to share those practises, but we've

discovered in many ways that legislation is a barrier to that.

Let me bring in Ian. Where do you believe the legislation is allowing

children potentially to slip through the net to fall through the net? I

think that the DBS system that we've got in this country in my opinion

isn't fit for purpose. That's the old criminal records check? Yes,

absolutely, yeah. We've got a situation whereby a person can have

a criminal record check and they are working or volunteering at an

organisation, they can be barred from working with children or young

adults because they are deemed to be a risk and the DBS system isn't

allowed to tell the organisation that the person has been barred from

working with them. And that's on the basis that it breaks data protection

so it breaks their Human Rights. It is ill logical, what is the point of

the system if it doesn't trigger information to the people hiring the

individual? Absolutely. We talk about breaking people's Human

Rights, then actually we do that on a daily basis when we incarcerate

people and put them in prison because they are a risk to society.

We say it's OK to take away their liberty and their freedom, their

right to a private and family life because they need to be incarcerated

to keep society safe. On one hand the Government is saying, well, it's

OK to disregard the Human Rights Act in order to protect society, but on

the other hand, to protect children and vulnerable adults, it's not OK.

OK. So that's one area where you can see loopholes could be tightened up.

Yes? In terms of legislation. Derek, what about mandatory reporting We

formed a group as I say and there is 11 charters on that. One of them

which is mandatory reporting which we feel very strongly about. That

means professionals, volunteers, anybody in football, halving a legal

duty to report either abuse or suspected abuse to the authorities?

Correct. There is the system in Scotland that is in place, but not

in England. Which I think it is an educational point of view. People

think that, you know, there should be mandatory reporting. Parents, you

know, can, you know, report mandatory reporting, but it's not

legislation as yet and that's something that we have been

campaigning to Government and campaigning with Government to try

and change the law where it is up to a parent, if they see something

wrong on a football pitch or in any sport, they have got an obligation

and a duty of care to report that incident and we're fighting

hopefully to, you know, get mandatory reporting in place. A lot

of people think it is in place at the minute, but it isn't actually

legislation. OK. Ian, in the past, and when you

first spoke to us back in November, you criticised the Football

Association in England. You said it had reacted dismissively to worries

about sexual abuse in the game when they emerged in the 1990s, your

dad's call for better protection fell on deaf ears. Have you changed

your mind about the FA? I have to since they have invited us to speak

with them, my opinion has definitely changed. What my experience of the

safeguarding team at the FA and the work we've done so far has changed

my prospective. I really do believe that the FA are working very, very

hard in order to make football as robust and as safe as possibly can

do. They will be the first to admit there are always changes that can be

made and improvements will always be ongoing, the landscape changes and

we need to keep up with the times, but actually, they're doing a

tremendous amount of work to make sure that they do make football an

incredibly safe and is an incredibly safe sport for our children. Do you

have faith in the FA's internal inquiry into historical sexual abuse

in the game? Absolutely. With all three of us and Paul have been down,

we've taken part and just speaking with the guys down there, they are

taking it very, very seriously and it's going to be about obviously

what's happened in the past and recommendations moving forward and

we hope to be auble to contribute to that. Obviously we would always

reserve jult until those inquiries come out, but without a doubt, there

is nothing we have seen within the FA that would cast any doubt about

the thoroughness, the integrity, both in terms of the inquiry and of

safeguarding moving forward and support for survivors as well. Let

me ask all of you, since, I mean, Ian, as I said, you spoke out in the

90s and torve's disgrace, it really wasn't taken anywhere. No. You spoke

out again. You all did last year. What has been the impact for you?

What effect has that had on each of you individually, Derek, let me

start with you, since you spoke out? When I first come out, you know, I

wasn't aware of how the much of an impact it would make. Something like

700 live cases, but you know there was - I didn't know David. I didn't

know Ian. We got together and we had a lot of synergy together. We used

our experiences and it is all different parts of process to form

Save and hopefully to make some changes that are really meaningful

changes and in fact if we as a group can do that, then it will be

fantastic. What about you, David? What about

the effect on you? I would agree with Derek. The four of us getting

together and being part of the process has been fantastic. The

support from the FA has been incredible. We've got an

unbelievable union in the PFA, the support from day one from Gordon

Taylor and from Darren Wilson, who I think has been the first point of

contact has been exemplary. Everything comes up after many, many

years, but we have been able to support each other in that process

and that's what we want to do with Save is to help make everybody else

part of a process in terms of improving the safeguarding landscape

and making sure that the survivors liaison and Victim Support is where

it needs to be. So, it is great comfort and we've enjoyed this work.

That's the most important thing and that's why we intend to carry it on.

And yourself, Ian? The impact has been profound. The

impact this time around was greater than it was 20 years ago. I am no

longer working where I was working. I walked away from that line of

work. The impact of my partner, children has been huge. I would be

lying if I said it was not. What has come out of it, it is something very

positive. I am a great believer you can take something that has a

negative impact and turn it around into something positive and grow

from that and learn from that and leading in a positive direction,

that is a good thing. The relationship we have formed the work

we are doing and we have done quietly behind the scenes has been

totally worthwhile. Ultimately, I the impact it has had on me

personally is that it is worthwhile in the long run in that what will

come out is something positive, not for was, but children and vulnerable

adults in the future. -- not for us. If we can leave that as a legacy it

is a job well done. I have not asked about unaffiliated clubs, small

drops, not affiliated to the FA, so don't have to follow the

safeguarding rules you have said are good from the FA point of view. They

are a great concern. We have a voluntary system. Unaffiliated

clubs, there is nothing to say they have to register with anybody. It

could be a guide, lady who has a bag of balls, some cones, in the park,

starting up. Soccer schools, short-term camps effectively there

to make money. Not there are essentially for the welfare of the

children and many soccer schools in the summer are not affiliated to the

FA. They do not half to answer questions about regulations,

standards. If they want to, they not bother taking out checks because it

is voluntary and Bacon said they chose not to. And if it were

latterly found out they were, they can say I did not know that. It is

not a compulsory scheme. It is an area with a lot of concern. The FA

hands are tied in that respect. A lot of work needs to be done in that

area to make it secure. Thank you very much. More on the breaking news

from Paris with six French soldiers injured after being hit by a car in

a western suburb of Paris. They want patrol in a suburb called

Levallois-Perret. Apparently the vehicle was a BMW. We can speak to a

journalist in Paris he was at the scene. Hello, I can say that I saw

the streets blocked by police because maybe a terror attacked

happened early this morning. We do not have a lot of information. I can

say that, a man tried to rush into the military. Six people were

injured. The minister is coming but we cannot see anything now because

the streets are blocked by the police. OK, thank you very much. We

will keep you updated on that story through the morning. It is eight

weeks Instagram 45. The Fire Brigade's rescue operation, to get

hundreds of people out, was unprecedented. Having to make life

or death decisions about who to leave and who to say. It will take a

long time to heal the mental scars. Jesus Christ, baked.

We could see this was a bad word immediately. The sky was glowing.

We sat looking at the building we had come out of. It is worse now,

the fire is everywhere and it is fierce. It is hard to comprehend we

were just in there. At no stage did they waver. They were going in time

and again, battling through intense heat to get to the floors to find

people missing, even though they knew their lives could potentially

be in danger and for that I am truly grateful and the people who attended

the fire, who took 999 calls, they are heroes in my eyes and they made

me proud to be the London Fire Commissioner.

Heroes. I mean, they are heroes. They went in to try to save people,

in that. I just... They are heroes. Now this programme has learned the

Fire Service has drafted in 60 counsellors to help to treat

traumatised firefighters. More than ten times the number who normally

works of the brigade, after cutbacks that have seen this service almost

halved. We can speak to a member of the London fire authority that has

approved funding for those counsellor. And a former counsellor

with the London Fire Brigade. Tell us about the decision to bring in 60

counsellors and why it is needed. We felt the fantastic response, not

from just the firefighters who went into the building, but the people

who had to take lengthy phone calls that came through to the 999

operators and a decision was taken at the beginning to bring in

counsellors, so nobody left the site that evening without having spoken

to someone and they have had access to a 20 47 helpline. There has been

an opportunity for counselling but that was augmented because it was

such a horrible thing that happened at Grenfell and they were so brave.

We need to ensure... Years past we have ignored mental health needs as

a result of terrible traumas they have gone through. This number of 60

is a lot of counsellors, and administration of how much need

there is from firefighters. Absolutely. We felt it important to

ensure firefighters who went into the building and also people who

took the lengthy phone calls have the opportunity to have counselling

and to make sure they did not have lasting trauma from the events at

Grenfell. Siobhan McGee, what do you say to people who say that is a

firefighter's job after all, smack firefighters are resilient people.

They are well trained. In the main they are resilient. But if you are

exposed to lots of traumatic incidents, it may take a toll and it

is important to support. You used to work for the counselling service.

What kinds of things will the firefighters be going through? A lot

of the symptoms of trauma, traumatic stress, are quite normal to

experience following a traumatic incident. They may be experiencing

physically shaking in their body, elevated heart rate, they might have

disturbed sleep, they might have nightmares, intrusive images and

flashbacks. All of that is quite natural. It is the body trying to

process the trauma and it is quite normal to have that anything up to a

month following the critical incident. One firefighter speaking

after Grenfell said, it will say with me all my life. We were offered

a session with a counsellor which I took up and it did help but nothing

will get those images out of my mind. How do you help somebody like

that? Clearly, it was such a tragedy and traumatic incident for anybody

involved for the families who lost their loved ones and people who lost

their homes and also for first responders. What happens in trauma

is that memories initially are in the short-term memory. The brain is

like a big filing cabinet. With trauma, it is like files have been

taken out of the filing cabinet and thrown all over the room. Fragments

of memory often come back, but, over time, what happens is once trauma

memory gets processed, it goes into the long-term memory and then the

images become... They do not have such a distressing impact. They

become less distressing. OK, thank you very much. We will bring you the

latest news and sport in a moment. Before that, the weather and Carol.

Good morning, we have seen an array of whether this morning. I will show

you some of it using weather watchers' pictures. As we come

further north, lovely blue skies. Rey Lee-Lo a variety. And this one

also in Scotland, lovely blue skies. High-pressure showing its influence

across much of the UK but equally we have a weather front sinking south,

bringing rain and as temperatures rise ahead of it, showers will

develop. As we move north, it brightens up across northern

England, Wales, the North Midlands and eventually the south-west.

Northern Ireland and Scotland hang on to the lion's share of the

sunshine. Currently, areas of cloud but they will break away and we will

see more sunshine. Highs up to 21, feeling quite pleasant. This is the

sun coming out across northern England. You can see where we have

the cloud. A pleasant afternoon in the north and west of Wales, but in

the south-west of England he will brighten up later in the day, and

then we headed to rain in Hampshire, Isle of Wight, and Kent. If you are

travelling today, especially in East Anglia and south-east England, there

is a risk of travel disruption due to the amount of rainfall. We may

have issues with surface water flooding, for examples. Overnight

the rain edges down, and where we have laid rain, patchy mist and fog

will be forming. A lot of dry weather around. Temperatures

indicating what you can expect in towns and cities. In rural areas it

could get down to four Celsius. Tomorrow, we lose the front from the

south-east but we have another area of low pressure. Tomorrow a

different day across northern and western parts of Scotland with more

cloud and lower temperatures and rain on the islands. We lose the

rain in the south-east. Between, a lot of dry weather with a fair bit

of sunshine. Much drier across England and Wales compared to what

we have had of late. Friday, the front coming in across the

north-west on Thursday sinks southwards taking rain with it. A

weakening feature as it gets to the south-east. Saturday and Sunday,

drier weather with sunshine. Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 10am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire. A car hit have group of soldiers in

Paris injuring six, two seriously. We'll keep you up-to-date with that

story through the morning. President Trump promises

"fire and fury" if there are any more threats

to attack the United States. North Korea responds

by threatening just that - singling out a US military base

2000 miles away. North Korea best not

make any more threats They will be met with fire and fury

like the world has never seen. People are having surgery to stop

themselves needing the loo when out because of the lack of accessible

disabled toilets. Ridiculous what people have to go

through to go to the toilet when they are out.

We'll be speaking to paralympian Anne Wafula Strike to find out more.

And it's now ten years since the financial crisis began.

We'll speak to a group of people whose lives were affected about how

Police in Paris say a group of soldiers have been hit by a car. A

search Sunday way for the vehicle and the driver. The low canical

mayor said he had no doubt it was a deliberate act.

Well, this is as a result of an attack that took place

just under an hour ago, maybe an hour now.

A man or woman, we don't know, a driver, drove into a group

of soldiers in the north western suburb of Levallois-Perre.

It's about 15 minutes drive from the BBC bureau

The car injured six of the soldiers, two of them seriously.

Those soldiers were part of what is called Operation Sentinell

a heightened state of counter terror alert that's been in place now

since 2012, since the attacks on the offices of the satirical

was an intentional attack. Levallois-Perre, has said this

As I say, two soldiers seriously injured and four lightly injured

and perhaps of greatest concern after those injuries

is the fact that the driver and the vehicle are still at large.

There is a large and very serious police operation going on throughout

Paris to try and track down the driver.

North Korea says it is considering launching a bass saoul strike in the

western Pacific. The threat comes after reports that Pyongyang has

produced a nuclear warhead to fit on its ballistic missiles.

This programme has learned that the Fire Service has drafted

in 60 counsellors to help treat traumatised firefighters

The figure is more than ten times the number who normally

We felt that the fantastic response, not just from the firefighters who

went into the building, but also from the people who had to take some

of those lengthy phone calls, that had come through to the 999

operators and the decision was taken right at the beginning to bring in

counsellors so that nobody actually left the site that evening without

having spoken to someone. 500 new medical school places

will be made available in England next year,

as the government attempts to boost the number of home-grown

doctors in the NHS. The target is to increase the total

number of training places by a quarter by 2020,

to help ease staffing pressures. The British Medical Association

says it won't address Those who commit cruelty

against animals "are getting away with it" due to the "leniency" of UK

courts, according to a report. Of the nearly 14,000 people found

guilty of animal cruelty in England and Wales from 2005 to 2015,

more than 92% avoided prison, the Centre for

Crime Prevention says. It has called for the maximum

sentence for offenders to be increased from six months

to five years. The Government says

it is reviewing the matter. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30am. Lorna says regarding Ann's film on

the shocking lack of provision of disabled toilets. Lorna says there

is a big problem with people not being able to go to the loo on their

own. Doors don't open enough to get a wheelchair in. That's the first

thing and then no rails to allow the person to transfer from wheelchair

to the toilet seat is another thing. We will talk more about that in the

next half an hour. If you are getting in touch with us,

you're welcome. We'd like to hear from you. Perhaps you were forced,

like some people, to wet yourself effectively because you just

couldn't get to the disabled loo for whatever reason.

Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

The focus is on the person who couldn't take part? Wayde van

Niekerk won the gold, but many will be wondering what might have been.

Makwala has been at the heart of this story since he pulled out of

the 200 meter heat and then last night, probably meant to be one of

the biggest moments of his career as he was about to race in the final we

found that he wasn't allowed to race because he had been affected by this

superbug that's been going around at this World Athletic Championships.

He said he was OK to race. The IAAF said they wouldn't authorise it,

despite him coming to the stadium last night and trying to get in. He

was refused entry. The 400 meter final was supposed to be one of the

highlights of this championships here at the world athletics

competition. As you will see, Wayde van Niekerk did win the race. He

crossed the line in first place, but very muted celebrations for him and

after the race, he said afterwards that he had sympathy for Makwala. It

is quite disappointing. I would love him to have his fair opportunity. He

was in great, great form. I believe that he would have done very, very

well at this championships and like I said earlier, I have got so much

sympathy for him. Does the IAAF have questions to

answer then? Well, certainly, many are asking, they weren't clear why

they weren't clear with their information. Why they weren't

forthright with their information. Much of the information coming out

in the build up came from Public Health England and the tower Hotel.

This led to a lot of confusion and I spoke to the athletics commentator

and she says the IAAF are bound by their rules. When he presented

himself, of course, the IAAF medical team had to go their protocol where

he was showing symptoms of the Norovirus and to the suggestion of

Public Health England because it had been an issue as of Sunday. 30

athletes have been quarantined so they were on edge clearly and they

didn't want this to spread. Well, the race has been and gone, but you

have to wonder, I don't think we've heard the last of this. The medal

ceremony for Wayde van Niekerk is tonight. He will be on top of the

podium u but you wonder if Isaac Makwala had been allowed to race

whether he too would have been on the podium, Victoria. Thank you very

much, Jess. This news just in. A 15-year-old boy has been stabbed to

death near Croydon in South London. It is the second fatal stabbing of a

teenager in London in 24 hours and the 13th this year.

A 15-year-old boy, stabbed to death, near Croydon in South London.

US President Donald Trump has threatened North Korea with "fire

and fury like the world has never seen".

North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States.

US President Donald Trump has threatened North Korea with "fire

They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.

He has been very threatening, beyond the normal state, and,

as I said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power

the likes of which this world has never seen before.

His threat follows the latest intelligence reports which suggest

they've produced a nuclear warhead small enough to fit

North Korea is now threatening to launch a missile strike close

to America's military base on the South Pacific

The island is home to 160,000 people and a significant US military base.

Here's what locals woke up to in this morning's news report.

The developing story today involving the US and North Korea. Guam at the

centre of it today. That information confirmed on record by Homeland

Security advisor, knowing that homeland officials say that the

short time frame the most important thing for the community would be to

find concrete structures to shelter in place. We want you to know at

this time the threat level on Guam has not changed. Officials saying

they don't want to alarm the public at this tile. Local and military

officials are said to be monitoring the situation after North Korea

threatened a pre-emptive strike. That follows words from Donald Trump

saying any threat to the US would be met with fire and fury. Our

Government does have a management plan in place to deal with all

hazard type situations. Once we have more information, we'll pass it

along. This is how North Korean State TV

responded. TRANSLATION: The strategic force is

carefully examining the operational plan, with medium lalistic rocket in

order to contain the US military bases on Guam including the Anderson

Air Force Base. Any plans to execute the preventative war devised by the

US would be met with an all-out war, wiping out all the strongholds of

enemies including the US mainland. But why does North Korea

want nuclear weapons? The US and the Soviets

divided Korea into two Reunification talks failed

and by 1948 there were two The 1950 to 1953 Korean War

entrenched the split. The communist North developed

into a dictatorship. Almost entirely isolated

on the global stage, its leaders say nuclear capabilities

are its only deterrent against an outside world

seeking to destroy it. It's understood they have

an intercontinental ballistic missile or ICBM capable

of reaching the US. They've tested nuclear

devices five times. Intelligence reports warn

the country is also close to or has already achieved,

"miniaturisation", that's developing a nuclear warhead

small enough to fit on a rocket. So how likely is it that the threats

will lead to a further escalation of violence.

We can speak now to Charlie Wolf - he's a Republican commentator

And in Guam is Senator Michael San Nicolas -

he's the Democratic chairman of Guam's Legislature

How do you respond to what Donald Trump is said and how North Korea

reacted? Glow-worm will not get in of the countries and we will make

sure we are prepared for whatever comes our way -- Guam. Are you

alarmed? Not particularly. We are as ready as we were yesterday and will

be tomorrow. You are prepared if North Korea launch a missile at you?

Very much so. We have numerous defence assets between here and

there and I am comfortable regardless what it is the North

Koreans tried to put towards the territory, we will be able to

respond. You expecting them to fire a missile? I do not think it would

be the wisest use of assets to fire at the smallest target farthest away

from the concerns surrounding them. So you are, that the situation? Very

much so. What difference does it make when Donald Trump uses language

like fire and fury and power? That is related to the North Koreans. I

imagine they would be concerned when the president of the most powerful

country in the free world uses that language. How do you react to the

language Donald Trump has used and the reaction? We are talking about

Donald Trump and his language and seem to forget it has been Kim

Jong-un who has made crazy threat since he was elected. President

heroin was elected in January and he is responding rightly so. --

President Trump was elected in January. Whether it is Guam, the

United States, it is a precedent we do not want to see. He has put it

into terms hopefully Kim Jong-un will understand by saying there are

consequences for actions. Hopefully he will be smart and not take any

further action with his nuclear programme. Do you think the North

Koreans keep calling America's bluff. They keep doing it, but one

day they may be surprise. Saddam Hussein thought the Americans would

never respond. They thought George Bush would not respond and he

responded. Donald Trump seems like a chap who responds and if I were in

Kim Jong-un's shoes I would be smart to listen to what the president

says. And stop trying to develop nuclear capability? I would stop. If

you listen to Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. His language is more

diplomatic. Even though we would like to bring them into the

community of nations. Tell them economically. Generally in the past

that is what the nuclear programme has been used for. They would

threaten and get more wheat and close down the programme and bring

it up several years later. Nobody wants to see the country suffering.

If you do a programme like this, you will face consequences. Hopefully

China will have seen this audio and know there is some serious stuff

going on. Thank you very much. Earlier this year Paralympian

athlete Anne Wafula-Strike came on this programme to talk

about the moment she was "was She had been forced to urinate

on herself on a train after no accessible toilet was provided

on her journey. At the time the wheelchair racer

decided to go public to raise awareness of the kind of obstacles

people with disabilities have She was given promises that it

wouldn't happen again but eight months on this programme has learned

that it's still happening - and she is still hearing stories

from people facing similar problems. We asked her to make a special

report for us on the issue. We played you her full film earlier

- here's a short extract. But last year I was forced

to wet myself on a train. Because the accessible

toilet was out of order. It was one of the most humiliating

experiences of my life. And it turns out this is not

just an issue on trains. People with disabilities

are having problems accessing And some are being forced

to take extreme action. Two years ago, she chose

to have a permanent catheter fitted because there was nowhere

for her to go to They create a hole just

beneath your belly button to put I just can't believe

that you actually opted to have an operation

without any medical need. Yeah, no medical need,

I wasn't incontinent. My urologist called it socially

incontinent, where basically, it meant I was incontinent

when I was out because I Because there wasn't

the facilities there. Before the operation,

Manny needed a hoist There are some toilets

that people with severe But campaigners say there

aren't enough of them. They are called

Changing Places toilets. There are only around

a thousand across the UK, and it's estimated quarter

of a million people Meanwhile, the state

of standard disabled toilets Recent research suggests that

as many as 40% of restaurants and 30% of shopping centres don't

have disabled loos. The Equality Act states that

businesses have that legal duty to make reasonable adjustments

to accommodate them. Despite promises from the Rail

Minister that no one would go through what I went through,

it is still happening. Virgin Trains has

since had to apologise I booked a journey to Birmingham

six weeks in advance, But I found the toilet was out

of order when I got on the train. So I've decided to go

to the Rail Minister He tells me they are working

on an action plan to I'm hoping that when people see

the accessibility action plan, they will see in it a range of ideas

that will not just make sure passengers get a better service

on the day, but that we can work more tactically and more

strategically to make sure that more toilets are in service on trains

in the first place. The action plan is due to be rolled

out later this summer but it's not clear yet exactly

what it will contain. Earlier this year, a government

committee recommended changing places toilets should be made

compulsory in all large buildings So far, no legislation has been put

in place to make that happen. So it seems for the time being,

some disabled people Anne Wafula-Strike

is with us in studio. Also with us Georgia Moat -

who actually had surgery to have a catheter fitted

because of a lack Neil Williams, who is with us

from the British Beer And Jonathan Fogerty,

who is a disability rights lawyer. What angers you most about what you

have discovered? Making this film made me realise that there is a big

group of people with disabilities that has been neglected. In this day

and age and century, to know that young people will actually go to the

lengths of having surgery, just because they lack toilets, it should

not be happening. It is shocking. It is terrible. You had this particular

surgery. It seems an extreme measure. Tell our audience why you

did it. I had mine fitted because other than when I was at home, there

are limited places I can use the bathroom, because of the amount of

equipment required for me to be able to use the toilet. Before you have

the operation, how often would you be able to find a bar, pub, where

you could use the toilet? There were no bars or pubs I could use it. It

was shopping centres, mostly. Niall Williams, how do you plead? There is

no doubt there is a lot more we can and should be doing. Why are you not

doing it? There is a great increase in the population and we will have

more people would access needs. A lot of pubs are installing disabled

toilets, but it is not always easy to do that. Some premises, there are

issues with planning permission, there are sometimes the oldest

buildings in the high street so making modifications is not

straightforward. The kind of bars you were going to, old buildings,

difficult to get planning permission? It depends where I go,

but there are some places that have been newer built and they still have

what they say is a disabled toilet, but it is no good for what I

require. I think people have been talking a lot, a lot of talk and no

action. I think you can do more than what you are doing at the moment. It

is not fair that the disabled group is left out. I did not think it is

just about planning permission, I think it is just about putting

disability on the agenda. It needs to be a priority. I think it is

really important because some of the issues in the film is about as good

management and training. We saw the terrible example of the man on the

train. We want all pubs and we have urged them to do it through guidance

to have a disability Champion who thinks through issues on every

premises. How many members? We represent 20,000 pubs. We urge

members through our own channels and through to their pubs to do as much

as they can. How many members have disability champions? We do not know

the statistics. We need to gather data. You do not know if there are

two, or 10,000? We don't know the figures. That is illustrative of how

little you care. I think we do care and that is why we have produced

guidance. We are on the second edition of this guide and we urge

people to think through the issues and make sure there is proper

information available. And access statement is really important. Visit

England, Visit Scotland have done work and you can fill it in online

so people can see what is available in the pub before they visit because

part of the issue is making sure there is enough information before

they go. I have heard this so many times. We need is now strong

measures to be put in place. People who do not far -- do not follow the

legislation should have action taken against them. The government needs

to crack down on this. It is all right saying that there will be

information available to see what is available before you go, but not a

lot of people have two plan their journeys as hard as we do for a

simple things like being able to go to the bathroom. Fair point. It is.

Everything helps and we should do as much as we can to keep things

improving. I think we have made progress but there is no doubt there

is more we can do. Are you ashamed about that? We are making progress

and should continue to do that. When things go wrong it is terrible and

we saw that in the film but through voluntary action and education,

awareness, training, good management, we can make

improvements, as well as investment. Maybe the fact it is voluntary is

the problem. It is not voluntary under the equality act, premises

have to do as much as they can without unreasonable costs, that is

how the legislation is framed, and we need to make sure we do as much

as we can. Jonathan you have listened to what has been said on

behalf of the British beer and Pub association. Be clear for the

audience, what is illegal when it comes to the equality act? Good

morning. Very interesting and some very interesting exchanges of views

and comments. Can I take a slight step back and reflect on perhaps

where we have come? There have been comments made about progress made.

If I look back over the time I have been a wheelchair user, over 30

years, the first time I tried to travel from Manchester to London on

the train, going from Piccadilly to Euston, I could not access the

carriage, I had to sit with post bags in the guard's van, so in terms

of casting disability as a right, we have made progress over the past 30

years. The disability discrimination act and equality act have helped.

Are we at a point where everything is satisfactory? We are certainly

not and we have a long way to go and Anne's experience shows we

have a long way to go. One thing that has come up this morning, this

is about the enforceability, enforcement organisation and

measures in place to back-up the legislation and that is the equality

act. If we look at what the equality act says, at no point in the

equality act does it explicitly said that service providers have to

provide a wheelchair access a ball toilet. It says in their service

providers have to make reasonable adjustment where a feature places a

disabled person at a disadvantage all weather service provider is

providing a facility to members of the public that reasonable

adjustment should be made so that is made available to somebody with an

impairment. What you think of the wording? One of the weaknesses of

the legislation is its interpretation, that it is left to

the courts to determine and there are a number of factors that will be

taken into account when considering whether or not a service provider

has made a reasonable adjustment. One might be the financial cost of

that reasonable adjustment, was it reasonably practical to make it?

Inevitably, you tend to find the largest service providers, high

street shops, for example, are able to make those reasonable adjustments

and people expect them, so in this case providing a wheelchair

accessible toilet facility, but the smaller shops are unable to do so,

all would claim they are unable, because of financial restraints.

It's very difficult to say without people taking cases themselves,

where they deem they have been discriminated against on the grounds

of their disability because the enforcement measures I'm afraid are

still with that individual, discrimination happens to that

individual. Very interesting. Let me read you these messages from people

watching. Yvonne says, "I am so pleased this subject is being

highlighted. This is a problem for people with crones. It is so

important and yet receives very little publicity." Jane says, "Our

son is 16. He is severely disabled and we have changed him hundreds of

times on toilet floors, holding him on baby changers and using the back

of his van in the car park. Now he is an adult and he's on adult

floors. Baby changers are not an option for him anymore. We try to

time our journey so he does not need changing while we are out. Fully

inclusive disabled toilets are more rather than a useful MP." Thank you

for your time and your expertise. We really appreciate it. Thank you.

A number of soldiers have been hit by a car, a vehicle in the suburb of

Paris. Jonny Dymond Is at the scene. What else can you tell us? Around

two-and-a-half, three hours, a vehicle went into a group of

soldiers, they were part of Operation Sentinell a counter terror

operation that's been in place for a couple of years. At least two

soldiers have been seriously injured. I'm in the neighbourhood.

It is a quiet and prosperous neighbourhood. The Paris prosecutors

office have opened a counter terror probe into what happened here. It

has been sealed off. A large media presence and a fair number of

residents standing around wondering what has happened here. The vehicle

and the perpetrator, the driver of the vehicle, are being searched for

pretty vigorously in what is a large police operation, but at the moment,

it's unclear as to what the motive was and clit whether or not this was

part of any larger operation. The suburb itself is to the north-west

of the centre of Paris, 15 minutes drive from the arc detry oomph and

it is an investigation into what happened and also a manhunt into

finding the person who carried it out. Thank you. Jonny Dymond in that

west Paris suburb where the attack place.

With the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom.

North Korea says it is considering launching a ballistic missile strike

close to the American military base of Guam in the western Pacific.

The threat comes after reports that Pyongyang has produced a nuclear

warhead small enough to fit on to its ballistic missiles.

President Trump has said that further threats

from the North Koreans will be met with fire, fury and power.

This programme has learned that the Fire Service has drafted

in 60 counsellors to help treat traumatised firefighters

The figure is more than ten times the number who formally

500 new medical school places will be made available in England

next year as the Government attempts to boost the number of home-grown

The target is to increase the total number of training places

by a quarter by 2020 to help ease the staffing pressures.

The British Medical Association says it won't address

That's a summary of the news. Join me for newsroom live from 11am.

Wayde van Niekerk took gold in the 400m at the World Athletics

The South African's win was overshadowed by the IAAF's

decision to not let Botswana's Isaac Makwala run,

One man who definitely made his presence felt at these

He came oh so close to adding to Britain's medal tally

but just like Laura Muir the evening before

he just missed out on the medals, finishing an agonising

And can he do the double double yet again?

Following his breathtaking 10,000 metres win, Britain's only medal

winner of the games so far, Mo Farah, is back on the track.

He beins his campaign for the 5,000 metres at just after 8

And the women's rugby World Cup gets under way this afternoon,

with England looking to defend the title they won back in 2014.

All the competing teams are in action on day one

of the tournament in Dublin, with England taking on Spain,

Wales in action against New Zealand, and Ireland taking on Australia.

Those are your headlines for now. I will see you soon, Victoria.

Representatives of a British model allegedly kidnapped in Milan have

dismissed as "evil" doubts and conspiracy theories

about the ordeal, saying it was real and it was terrifying.

Italian police said Chloe Ayling was snatched last month by a group

She's believed to have been drugged and transported in a bag

to an isolated village near Turin, where she was held for six days

as her captors tried to auction her online.

But as more details emerged, including that she went shopping

for shoes and groceries with her captor, had

breakfast with him before he handed her in to the Italian

consulate, questions have begun to be asked about the story.

Earlier I spoke to two models from the same

Sophia Blake worked with her before and says that after what's

happened she won't work with the agency again.

Holly Gibbons says she's been working for a decade but says she's

now questioning whether to leave the industry.

Holly, you have spent a decade in this industry. In what ways has it

changed would you say? I think when I first started, everything was all

magazines. Everything was, we didn't have social media either. So, I

think we weren't, we had a more professional relationship with

photographers, with companies that we were working with and now people

can get into contact with us through our social media and they can see

more about us which isn't always a good thing. So it has changed a lot

and everything is very much online. Websites and jobs like that rather

than a magazine or, you know, bigger jobs as well. We have less people on

a job. Do you think it has become less safe as a result of those

changes? It's hard to say. I think that maybe the younger girls are a

little less, I think they're more naive because they perhaps are

trusting more people. When they first hear from somebody they may

not do the checks that they need to, where I think, as you get older,

they don't get in touch with you as much. Maybe because you have more

experience in the industry. They think that you're not going to fall

for it as or fall for, you know, things that maybe we shouldn't do.

Which would be what? What would be something that you would say we

shouldn't do in our industry? When I was younger I maybe was so excited

by it all, that I said yes to everything and I may not have put

into process check-ups on who I was working with so much. So I would

just say yes and I would go along to jobs and perhaps they were

unprofessional or they would push me to do levels beyond what I should

have done. But now, I think only people that I've worked with, I look

for references, I ask other models how was the job? What to expect from

the job. So, it's age changes and how the industry has changed as

well. Sure. Maybe those sort of people who haven't got the good

intentions get in touch with younger girls.

Sophia, has this ever happened to you, you are slightly younger? You

have had less time in the glakor modelling industry. Have you ever

felt in a position where you felt vulnerable? I think there is a lot

of like because I am younger, they do seem to like prey on you, but I'm

quite aware of it so I just kind of like as soon as alarm bells ring I

just like say no to the job or if it's on a shoot,le' just leave. Have

you done that? You've left a shoot because you felt uncomfortable?

Once, but to be honest, most of the time I don't really feel that way.

Right. Yeah. How, I mean, it's clearly very competitive. Do you

think that there are some girls who take risks or potentially take risks

because they want to get on so much? I think there probably are girls

like that out there. I think in the freelance industry we are all quite

like connected and we speak to each other a lot and if someone has a

problem generally you can talk to another model about it. And you've

worked with Chloe Ayling in the past. What was she like to work

with? She was, yeah, she was fine. She was just like a normal person.

She just, she was quite qi the and quite reserved. Yeah. You say you're

freelance. When you are signed to an agency, how are they supposed to

look after you? Well, you'd think that you would be safer going with

an agency because like they're obviously taking their cut and

that's for the safety like, you'd expect them to have done the checks

before giving you the job and stuff. And does that always happen in your

experience? I've never had a bad experience, but obviously the Chloe

things makes it seem like maybe the right checks aren't being done.

And what's your view on that Holly, when it comes to agencies, what sort

of checks should they be making on behalf of their clients, people like

yourselves? So, I would rely on, I am signed with an agency and I would

rely on them to do website checks, background checks, get references

from other girls who have worked with them. And also exactly what

they're expecting us to do in the job when we arrive, what times,

everything. However, I still want, even more information. So I'll still

do my own checks, get in touch with the girls and say, "Have you done

this job before? What do I expect from it?" So you can't put

everything on your agent. You need to do your own checks as well. But,

if I get a job through the agent then I would hope, and I would

expect it to be, safe and the measurements in place before I go to

the job. Sure. And finally what percentage commission would an agent

take from your work? They take 20%. Sophia, what's your view about the

kind of discussion regarding this story of Chloe Ayling and what's

alleged to have happened to her? Some people say it doesn't add up

somehow? Yeah. I think, a lot of people have been quite like,

everyone thinks the story is a bit fishy and there's something weird

going on. I think, I understand why they say that because it is such an

elaborate story, but I don't know. What about you, Holly? I think the

problem is that she has done interviews and she is dressed this a

certain way that people are very, very jmental. She has a smile on her

face. And that's hard to believe that somebody has been through

something very, very traumatic and than looks a certain way, maybe

happy and maybe not sad or traumatised so people are finding it

very difficult to believe and then the media has gone through,

unfortunately her Instagram or whatever social media and picked out

images of her doing modelling jobs, doing glamour which people aren't

very sympathetic towards, but that is our job and it doesn't

necessarily mean that she's lying or that it's a made up story or

elaborated. Thank you both. Thank you very much, both of you. Thank

you for coming on the programme. Thank you.

It's ten years to the day since the credit crunch hit the UK

leading to the global financial crisis that many of us

The credit crunch was caused by banks being too nervous to lend

money to us or each other. The date when this started, 9th of August,

2007, that is when a major French bank told investors they would not

be able to withdraw money from two of its funds. This triggered a sharp

rise in the cost of credit, causing a credit crunch. The problem started

before 2007, in the USA. Back then, interest rates were low and cheap

loans available. The banks lend money and took on debt with no

worries, which meant they lend to just about everyone, including

people with weak credit ratings, known as the sub-prime market, that

is people with poor credit history or levelling come. They did not

worry about repayments because the right to collect those debts were

sold on again and again. Analysts saw these as low risk. Then came a

big increase in the cost of mortgage payments and people started to

default. It came as a shock to financial institutions. The result

was billions in losses written off. It is why banks like Northern Rock

and Newman brothers in America disappeared and others like Royal

Bank of Scotland hack to be taken over by the government to stay

afloat. Other banks got nervous about lending to anyone and

everyone. They were not be repaid and St Lomans became more expensive

and they demanded greater deposits. It caused the global financial

system to come to a standstill and stock markets, investment value and

confidence plummeted and the effects are still felt today. And so how

have people who were affected recovered?

She lost her family home and her holiday home

when the credit crunch hit, her marriage collapsed soon after.

Michael Foote was working on the trading floor

for a stockbrokers in the city - but was fired when the crunch hit.

And in Maidstone is Paul, who built up debt of around

?60,000 on credit cards - at one point he had 20

He's asked us to only use his first name.

Welcome. Dude, you were doing well, you and your husband a holiday home

in Florida. What happened? It because America went down before we

did. Looking back, we had bought at the wrong time. Their economy went

and it plummeted. We thought we would rented out to Americans to

cover the money and on our jobs cover what we have to pay here and

ride it out but unfortunately the American family we rented to stop

paying rent after being given that a month or two and so we had to get

them evicted and that took several months. Then the house over there

was foreclosed and it was a knock-on effect here because of what was

happening and the cost of living going up. We were not earning quite

as much. The balance tipped and we lost our home over here because we

had credit cards we used to furnish the home over there to get it going.

You had used the house here to buy the place in Florida? We got an

extra secured loan on it so we looked at trying to sell it to clear

debt but because of house prices and what happened to the market here,

there was not enough in it to cover what we owed. Goodness. Michael, you

had just started this new job and you were called in and you thought

you were going to get a pay rise. Such a shocking moment because I was

walking up the stairs, thinking I have done my first trade, earned

money for the company. Walked upstairs and they said, we are

sorry, we will have to let you go, pack your stuff and leave. We had

just signed a new rental contract in the house and three in the house and

two lost their jobs that we can be packed up everything out of the

house and moved home to the parents. That is the reason you were fired,

because he were last in. Was it that policy? That is how I feel. Rather

than taking it more personally? Fair enough. Paul, I spoke to you on

radio 59 years ago when the recession started to bite and you

were surviving on credit. Tell how you manage to do that, juggling

cards. You think it would be difficult but it was not. I started

on the credit cards a long time ago and always thought there could be a

crash. I was talking of a property crash, but never saw the big crash

coming. By the time it came I amassed quite a few credit cards

because during the boom years everybody was throwing credit cards

at me and offers and I kept them ticking over by doing balance

transfers and occasionally spending on the cards. When the crash came I

had a significant amount on the cards but... I have some here.

During the crash a lot of companies withdrew cards and cut credit

limits. I have a fair amount. That is a lot of credit cards. About 25.

I think one is a debit card. There is about 120,000 of credit on there.

That roughly gives me 50,000 and ?60,000 worth of balance transfers.

When the crash came and I had the money amassed, I started

transferring money, being creative, and when the credit cards ran out I

turned to my mum and says, why don't you open a credit card and I

transferred the money to her cards and transferred them back and it

kept going and going until the crash sorted disappeared. Things picked up