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Hello, it's Monday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley

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in for Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

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Our top story today - from today drivers of older,

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more polluting vehicles will have to pay almost twice as much

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We can either take action to clean up fears that your children have

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underdeveloped and your adults suffer strokes and asthma, we do

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nothing which will make things worse.

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Critics say it will "disproportionately penalise

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London's poorest drivers" but those in favour say it's the only way to

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Your thoughts very welcome as always.

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Also on the programme, we've discovered that 95% of TV ads

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during live UK football matches feature at least one

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gambling advert, with some games being dominated by betting ads.

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The figures are hugely negative for many people my age group. It is

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almost seen as the thing to do. That have to put a bet on to kind of get

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something out of football. So is there any link

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between these ads Plus, a government minister says

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the "only way" to deal with British IS fighters

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in Syria is "in almost every case" to kill them.

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Is he right? In around half an hour's time

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the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson is going to make a speech

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about North Korea. He's expected to say diplomacy

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and dialogue are the way forward. Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning. if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. From today, owners of

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older, dirtier vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10

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to drive in central London. The scheme, known as the T-charge,

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is designed to reduce air pollution and has been described

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as the toughest emmission standard The move has been welcomed

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by some health charities and environmental groups,

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although some say it The T-charge will be charged on top

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of the congestion charge up was introduced here a few years ago. The

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idea is to reduce pollution in the city. The London mea Sadiq Khan has

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improving air quality as 30, particularly for children who have

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been hit hard by the pollution in the city at the moment. In terms of

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how it works, this is a ?10 daily charge, so to find if your vehicle

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was one has to pay this charge, you can go to the Transport for London

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website and get the details. The rough rules around this is because

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vehicles registered before 2006, so it is the older, more polluting

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vehicles that will have to pay this ?10 daily charge. That charges for

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weekdays between 7am and 6pm and it is expected to impact something like

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34,000 cars. If you do not pay the charge, if you come into the area

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and do not pay it, you could be hit with a penalty charge notice of

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?130. This ?10 charge is important to pay if you have a vehicle that is

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not meeting these new emission standards. Lots of business people

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wonder what it is going to mean for them. I was talking to the

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Federation of Small Businesses who say lots of companies will not be

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aware of this new charging system coming in so they are wondering

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whether they are vehicles are in the right spec for this, whether they

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will have to pay this charge and how much it will mean in total.

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Rebecca is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The UK's biggest business lobby groups - including the Insitute

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of Directors and CBI - are calling for an urgent Brexit

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transition deal to safeguard jobs and investment.

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In a joint letter due to be sent to the Brexit Secretary,

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David Davis, in the coming days, the groups warn

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A government spokesman says the talks

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"are making real, tangible progress".

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Our political correspondent Alex Forsyth is at Westminster.

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Tell us more about what is in this letter, Alex. This comes from five

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influential business groups. They are effectively saying that

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uncertainty over Brexit can have damaging consequences for investment

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and trade. They want a commitment to the two-year transition period after

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the Brittney Reese the EU effectively on the same terms as

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now, and that is what the government is aiming for but the other 27 EU

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leaders were not committed until things like the financial settlement

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are dealt with, which is proving tricky. Businesses are urging the

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Prime Minister to get on with this but to some degree she's at the

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mercy of the other EU 27 before they can start talking about trade. They

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have agreed to talk about it internally but those formal

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negotiations have yet to start. The Prime Minister will be updating MPs

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later on the current negotiations on Brexit. Do we know what she is

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likely say? You can imagine she will give a fairly upbeat assessment of

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what has happened but the backdrop to this, recent report from a German

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newspaper about a dinner between the Prime Minister, Jean-Claude Juncker,

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and the EU chief negotiator, Michel Barnier. Allegedly leaked report of

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that said that Jean-Claude Juncker thought that Theresa May looked

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tired and anxious throughout and that she was asking EU leaders for

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help because of the domestic political pressure she faces at home

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with all of the differing views on Brexit. This morning, the senior

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aide to Jean Todt Junker has denied leaking that the Pope and denied

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that he ever said it. He says that this is trying to undermine the EU

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side and damage negotiations. This programme has learnt

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that the government is considering during football matches.

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on gambling adverts on TV One in five of the commercials

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broadcast across 25 matches rising to more than one

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in three in some games. A report on the subject is expected

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as early as next week. And Chloe will have much more

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on this story shortly. A government minister has said has

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said British extremists who've gone to fight with the Islamic State

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group in Syria will have to be be killed, "in almost every case",

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because of the threat for International Development,

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at Foreign Office and the Department said there were difficult

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moral issues involved. He's told the BBC that British

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recruits to IS had "essentially moved away from any kind

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of allegiance" towards the UK. Patients are being encouraged to go

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home and rest in order to recover from some illnesses,

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rather than be prescribed The advice is part of a campaign

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by Public Health England aimed at limiting the spread

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of drug-resistant super-bugs. Our health correspondent,

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James Gallagher reports. Bacteria, like these E-coli,

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are getting harder to treat as they evolve ways

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to resist antibiotics. This is where the most serious

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infections come for analysis and the staff at these

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Public Health England laboratories admit they're worried about growing

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levels of antibiotic resistance. My lab looks for resistance

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to the most powerful If go back to 2005 to 2007,

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we were seeing these bacteria Last year we confirmed

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these resistant bacteria Drug resistant infections

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are a growing problem. 5,000 people were killed by such

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infections last year. If you take E-coli in the blood

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stream, now four in ten cases can't be treated

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with the most common antibiotics. # Antibiotics, we're

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wonderful pills... Using too many antibiotics

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increases drug resistance. This TV campaign is being launched

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to tell people they'll not be given The majority of us will get

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infections from time to time and we will recover

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because of our own immunity. The fact is if you take

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an antibiotic when you don't need it then you are more likely

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to have an infection that the antibiotics then don't work

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for over the coming months. Health officials say

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we all have a part to play in preventing the rise

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of antibiotic resistance. From today, hospitals in England

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will be required to charge up-front fees to foreign patients

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who receive non-emergency care. The move is part of attempts

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by the Government to crack down But the British Medical Association

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has warned of the risk of confusion and an extra administrative

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burden for trusts. Police in Warwickshire

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are questioning a man arrested over the four-hour hostage

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situation at a bowling alley Armed officers stormed

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the building in Bermuda Park, where two people were allegedly

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held at gunpoint. No-one was injured and

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police say the incident A group of MPs has today launched

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an inquiry into so called "pop-up" brothels -

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that's where one or more sex workers set up in residential or holiday

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premises for a short period. It follows a huge increase

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in their prevalence, and accusations that they are a hotbed for criminal

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and human trafficking. Sex work campaigners said women have

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had to resort to this after a number of well-established brothels

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were raided and subsequently closed, A British diver, who was stalked

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by a giant tiger shark off the coast of western Australia,

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has said he's lucky to be alive. John Craig, from Sunderland,

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became separated from his boat and was forced to swim several miles

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to shore as it pursued him. I just kept my head in the water,

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watched what the big tiger shark was doing,

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and it kept coming back towards me, it would circle me,

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and kind of dart in. I just had to use my spear gun

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to try and fend it off, and try and keep it as a safe

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distance, and then I knew the boat wasn't coming back, so my only

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option was to swim to shore. I knew it was, you know,

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seven-and-a-half kilometres to get to the beach,

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and that's an awful long swim Doctor Who's first female

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Time Lord will be joined Jodie Whittaker, who takes over

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as the thirteenth Doctor next year, will be joined by new cast regulars

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Bradley Walsh, Bradley Walsh has said he's looking

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forward to being part of the show some 50 years after first

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becoming a fan. A video has emerged

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of the French President's dog making his presence known

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at the Elysee Palace. Emmanuel Macron was talking

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with three junior members of his government,

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when the Labrador-griffin cross, called Nemo, began urinating on one

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of the esteemed fireplaces. The incident was captured

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by a French TV station. Nemo also appeared in Mr Macron's

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entourage back in August - continuing a tradition

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of French Presidents That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9.30am. I think that eats my cat bringing in

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a dead squirrel the other day! We fight this message on gambling

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from Norma. I'm surprised that it is allowed during the day. They are

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only allowed during live sport. We will be getting into that issue

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throughout the morning. You can get in touch throughout the programme

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using the hash tag #victorialive. Text will be charge that the

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standard network rate. Let's get some sport now. Let's talk about

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Lewis Hamilton. Touching distance now that Formula 1 drivers

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championship. Yes, exactly. Incredible when you consider the

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poor start that he had to the season. But he is edging closer to

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that fourth world title. A really impressive win at the US Grand Prix

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at the weekend. He had to fight for it. He was overtaken at the start of

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the race by his title rival Sebastian Vettel. Hamilton, not to

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be outdone, overtook again on lap six and from there, never looked

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back. Big celebrations from him. Quite a few people in the crowd,

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including a certain you saying belt, two of the fastest men in their

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respective sports, there, celebrating. Let's hear from Lewis

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Hamilton now. It has been an incredible year, so far. I enjoyed

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that in the car. I did not expect to have the pace that we had on

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Sebastian this year, today, but the car felt fantastic, we had the right

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balance at the start. Three more to go, three more to win. Let's show

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why he's in such a dominant position. These stats are very

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telling. Not only has he had more wins and more podium places but he's

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been in more positions that are awarded points than Sebastian Vettel

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and four Sebastian Vettel in the red, he had two retirements, and you

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wonder how costly those will have been for him, early in the year.

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Hamilton needs just a top five finish in Mexico next weekend for a

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fourth world title, Chloe. Let's talk about the Premier League. A

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great day for the North London sides, not so great for Merseyside

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sites. Pretty much advantage London after a massively heavy defeat for

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Everton and Liverpool. Everton boss Ronald Kuhlman was under pressure

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already before even going into this match. After a 5-2 loss, you could

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see at full-time, the fans, board members, Ronald Coman himself

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looking utterly deflated. No wins in five matches for them, meaning they

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drop into the bottom three. He gave a very honest assessment after the

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game. He said that it is not good enough and that the club expects

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better. And for Liverpool, another heavy defeat. They went down 4-1 to

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Spurs. A good day for Tottenham and their star man, Harry Kane, grabbing

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two goes in front of 80,000 fans at Wembley. Liverpool's defensive

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problems have been an issue all season and were therefore see. The

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Reds boss Jurgen Klopp was very critical of his players and said he

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could have done a better job himself. We will hear from both of

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those managers when I returned with the rest of the sport at ten

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o'clock. 95% of TV ads during live UK

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football matches feature at least one gambling advert,

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this programme has found. One in five of the commercials

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broadcast across 25 matches were for betting firms,

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rising to more than one The government's considering

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whether new restrictions are needed, with a report expected as early

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as this week. What is you found out? Thfr is

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manager the Government has been looking into for a while. As far as

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those adverts are concerned there is a rule they won't be shown before

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9pm, before the watershed in the evening but there is an exception,

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that is for live sporting events, almost every football match shown in

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this country is going to be before 9pm. In other countries Australia

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for example they have banned this, they have said it is not allowed the

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live event, the question for the Government is should they follow

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suit and do the same thing? Let's think fast and

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act faster in play. You can watch it and you can

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get involved in it. The betting industry and the way it

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sells itself has changed radically New research for this programme has

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found adverts like these now Making up one in every three

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show means some games. There is growing pressure

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on the government to follow other I think almost betting has

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become part of the social Whether online or in store,

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it's almost a normal thing to do. When he was a teenager

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he started gambling At one point he was spending

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a couple of hundred pounds a week. Any spare money that I had

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was spent on gambling. Two weeks you would be

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losing, but you would hope The number of problem gamblers has

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remained fairly stable over the last few years,

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with around two million The latest stats though show

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if you're under 35 years old, you're far more likely

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to get in trouble. It has swamped the whole

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Premier League. It's trying to get these bets placed

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as quickly as possible. I think for many people of my age

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group, it is almost seen That you have to put

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a bet on to kind of get Ten years ago, the Labour Government

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let bookies advertise There was and still is

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an agreement not to show ads There is an exception though,

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in live sporting events This is all about targeting

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the new generations. The generations that don't go

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into the old-fashioned bookies, who wouldn't know

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what one is really. We looked at 25 games shown on TV

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this season from the build up That's total of 1,324 commercials

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and sponsorship indents. Of those 272 were for betting ads,

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that's one in every five. For some games sponsored by betting

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firms, the rate was even higher, take a recent Everton match,

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40% of the adverts Or Scotland's match in Slovakia

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again, 37% of the commercials It's definitely about brand

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building and getting as many customers as possible,

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but the main thing is getting people to bet now and this is all about,

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here's a chance, bet on it now. Last year gambling firms spent

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?150 million on TV ads, that's up sharply over

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the last four years. A single advert for premiership

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football is thought The concern from campaigners

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is that this makes betting seem too normal especially amongst the next

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generation of potential customers. These 17-year-olds are training

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on a cold night in South London. We asked them what gambling brands

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they associate with the game. I would say like about five years

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ago, there weren't really much. I think now there seems

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to be quite a lot more. There is a game next week

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and adverts would be on like for betting

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president week before. That's the whole point to urge

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you, to make you feel If you were going to name one

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of type of advertiser associated with football,

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would it be cars, alcohol, gambling? Which is the one that

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first comes to mind? It's always gambling

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because you just have it around and it just

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catches your eye, yeah. The Government is now under

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pressure to do more on this. At a recent debate in the House

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of Lords, former Spurs chairman They have recently started to add

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at the end of the advert, Well, My Lords these couple

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of words are pathetic. It is my personal belief

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that it is these adverts that are the major culprits who induce

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young people to gamble. Frankly, these adverts are too

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clever, and too luring. Other countries have

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been taking action. Earlier this year Australia banned

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all gambling ads in live sport before the watershed and in Europe,

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Belgium has just The betting industry says

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there is no evidence that more adverts leads

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to more problem gambling. Is there a danger that this has just

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gone a bit too far now? You look at the number of adverts,

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this wasn't the case Yes, it is a subjective

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decision, isn't it? There is an interesting question

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there about whether the current Are they causing harm

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or is it subjective? People don't like them

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and there is even people in the gambling industry

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to feel that way. We have a major review

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under way at the moment, It's a great opportunity to look

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at all these issues. Are you comfortable with under-18s

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seeing lots of these adverts? Not comfortable with it,

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you by I it's inevitable and you can't look at these

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adverts in isolation. Gambling is all around us in this

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society and has been That's what critics say thought that

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all the adverts normalise gambling. They will make under-18s think

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it is just part of sport? I think that debate

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is probably passed. The reality is gambling

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is normalised and if you look at why, it was probably

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the introduction of It changed the whole world in terms

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of gambling you cans the perception and when you look at underage

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gambling thankfully It's back to business

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in the Premier League. The thing is, a TV advertising ban

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can only do so much. Take the BBC's own programme,

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Match Of The Day. No commercials maybe, but a study

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by Goldsmith's University found over 250 separate gambling adverts

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on screen - mostly It's Burnley nil,

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West Ham United one. And if the Government does clamp

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down on TV commercials, some think more spending could just

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switch to the internet Matt is now getting help

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for his problem and has excluded himself from most

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of the sites and apps. Like other people we've spoken to,

:24:06.:24:07.

he thinks a blanket ban He'd just like to see

:24:08.:24:09.

fewer of them on screen. I personally think the most sensible

:24:10.:24:17.

is to limit the amount I think to stop it completely

:24:18.:24:19.

is probably irrational, This is all likely to come

:24:20.:24:22.

to a head this autumn. A major government review

:24:23.:24:34.

of the gambling sector is expected soon and greater restrictions

:24:35.:24:37.

on advertising are Jim, what do we think

:24:38.:24:39.

the Government is planning to do? It has been a long time coming this

:24:40.:24:56.

review. We expect it as possibly as later this week. A spokesman for the

:24:57.:25:01.

Department of Culture, Media and Sport which is in charge, said we

:25:02.:25:05.

have been clear that we expect the gambling sector to protect players

:25:06.:25:08.

an help them stay in control of their gambling, but there is clearly

:25:09.:25:11.

more work that is needed in this area. Now that sound strong to me,

:25:12.:25:15.

like there is some sort of change coming. When you speak to people in

:25:16.:25:20.

the tri, they sort of accept they will be more regulations on adverts,

:25:21.:25:25.

the question is how far will the Government go? Will it copy what has

:25:26.:25:30.

been done in Australia? There is likely to be consultation before any

:25:31.:25:34.

final decision is made. It comes down to how much damage these

:25:35.:25:38.

adverts are doing? It does, what the industry says there is no evidence

:25:39.:25:43.

that these ads are leading to increased levels of problem

:25:44.:25:48.

gambling, part of the issue is the figure, so the latest statistics we

:25:49.:25:51.

on this from the Gambling Commission, they were published back

:25:52.:25:55.

in August, showing relatively stable level of problem gambling in this

:25:56.:26:00.

country, the thing is they are using figures from back in 2015, that is

:26:01.:26:03.

how they calculated it. This industry is moving so quickly, with

:26:04.:26:07.

technological change, more betting on the phone and adverts have change

:26:08.:26:13.

a lot. A lot of people are saying how relevant are these statistics?

:26:14.:26:16.

It can cause some people real problem, wanted to leave you with an

:26:17.:26:20.

e-mail we got from a viewer a couple of weeks ago, it is one reason we

:26:21.:26:24.

decided to make the film. We won't use his name. He said I discovered

:26:25.:26:28.

my son's gambling problem in sixth form. He has taken my debit card and

:26:29.:26:35.

used it to place bets on matches. They are absolutely polluted with

:26:36.:26:39.

gambling adverts, aimed at vulnerable young people. My son, his

:26:40.:26:44.

son, did win a couple of times but ultimately lost it all. Hopefully

:26:45.:26:47.

the Government will wake up and realise the football world needs to

:26:48.:26:51.

clean its act up and distance itself from gambling. Thank you. I know

:26:52.:26:55.

some comments are coming in, the internet is failing me. I will read

:26:56.:27:00.

them when they come in. We can take to Jo Steven, a member of the

:27:01.:27:04.

digital culture, media an sport committee. Labour want to see a ban

:27:05.:27:09.

on gambling firms from advertising on football shirt, so first of all,

:27:10.:27:13.

if you watch any football match, any live football match, there so many

:27:14.:27:18.

gambling advert, is your view is that it there are too many It has

:27:19.:27:22.

reached saturation level. I watch a lot of football, I can't think of

:27:23.:27:27.

any other advertisers that target live football game in the the way

:27:28.:27:30.

the betting industry does. I do think it has got to a point where is

:27:31.:27:34.

so much of it, I welcome the fact that the Government are going to

:27:35.:27:39.

publish their review and I hope there stringent measureness o there.

:27:40.:27:44.

My internet has worked. James says betting adverts are prevalent with

:27:45.:27:49.

golf coverage too, two out of three are gambling adverts and row can

:27:50.:27:52.

have five ad breaks in an hour. Alcohol is shown in adverts

:27:53.:27:55.

throughout the day, alcohol is just or more dangerous than gambling so

:27:56.:27:59.

why is it we are focussing on gambling, is that fair? You would

:28:00.:28:04.

make a point about alcohol, about gambling, tobacco as well, but what

:28:05.:28:08.

we have seen is that there is a growth in problem gamblers over the

:28:09.:28:13.

last few years so there are nearly 500,000 problem gambler bler in the

:28:14.:28:19.

country. Two million who gamble regularly who are at risk, and it is

:28:20.:28:24.

the money that is being spent on advertising is growing massively

:28:25.:28:27.

year on year, the betting industry wouldn't be putting that money into

:28:28.:28:30.

advertising if they didn't think it was going to increase their revenue.

:28:31.:28:34.

It is worth remembering of course, it was the Labour Government under

:28:35.:28:38.

Tony Blair that liberalised the gambling laws around between years

:28:39.:28:41.

ago, do you think it was thought through enough? I think that the

:28:42.:28:45.

consequences may be weren't, but we would like to see, we are very clear

:28:46.:28:54.

we would like to see a ban on betting company sponsorship in live

:28:55.:28:59.

coverage and on shirts. It is the shirt sponsorship, it is the

:29:00.:29:03.

hoardings round the ground, how many kids are watching live football? You

:29:04.:29:07.

know, there are millions of people watching live football, every week,

:29:08.:29:11.

and this saturation of the adverts and the hoardings and seeing the

:29:12.:29:16.

logos, it is happening every single week. As we saw in that report,

:29:17.:29:24.

everyone on Match of the Day we see so many references inadvertently to

:29:25.:29:27.

betting company, do you think Labour got it wrong? Ten years ago when

:29:28.:29:32.

Tony Blair said let us liberalise the gambling law, you said you

:29:33.:29:37.

didn't foe foresee it? You can argue we did get it wronging but we would

:29:38.:29:41.

like to have the opportunity to put it right if we get back in

:29:42.:29:47.

Government. This is a wide measure of agreement cross-party agreement.

:29:48.:29:52.

I am a member of the group on fixed odd betting terminals where we have

:29:53.:29:56.

done research on those. Explain watching a what they are? These are

:29:57.:30:03.

machines in betting shops, where you can bet up to ?100 every 20 second,

:30:04.:30:07.

they are described as the crack cocaine of gambling. People who have

:30:08.:30:12.

problems are spending more and more money and the social problems they

:30:13.:30:16.

cause are well documented, not just to individuals, job loss, crime,

:30:17.:30:22.

break down of families, and in the worst and most severe cases suicide,

:30:23.:30:25.

so there are problems across the industry, this is why row have seen

:30:26.:30:31.

other country like Australia and Belgian take radical steps to ban

:30:32.:30:34.

sponsorship and so this review by the Government is long overdue and

:30:35.:30:38.

the industry is moving very quickly, technology, you know, in 2007 we

:30:39.:30:42.

didn't really know what technology would bring to the gambling industry

:30:43.:30:48.

and to sponsorship and to advert, so now is the very good time for review

:30:49.:30:52.

and it is long overdue. Lots more comments coming in, if you want to

:30:53.:31:00.

get in industry is moving very quickly, "I

:31:01.:31:00.

: up with watching live sports on Sky and seeing adverts all the time.

:31:01.:31:08.

Sky makes money without having to rely on them." Sponsorship and to "I

:31:09.:31:10.

: up with watching live sports on Sky and seeing adverts all the time.

:31:11.:31:14.

Sky makes money without having to rely on them." Tony says "Thank grow

:31:15.:31:17.

for covering the ghastly ads. Go for the companies that advertise on

:31:18.:31:18.

football shirts and that his do "I : up with watching live sports on

:31:19.:31:24.

Sky and seeing adverts all the time. Sky makes money without having to

:31:25.:31:27.

rely on them." Tony says "Thank grow for covering the ghastly ads. Go for

:31:28.:31:29.

the companies that advertise on football shirts and that his do not

:31:30.:31:32.

support responsible gambling." "The gambling ads are a disgrace, I have

:31:33.:31:34.

watched young men throw hundreds away. The ads before and during the

:31:35.:31:36.

game bombard the network, encouraging outlandish gambling. I

:31:37.:31:38.

have seen men in tears the at full-time."

:31:39.:31:43.

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson's speech on global security - live.

:31:44.:31:51.

He will be talking about the secretive state of North Korea. We

:31:52.:31:57.

will bring you his speech. And the German newspaper has published an

:31:58.:32:01.

account that Theresa May begged for help with Brexit during a dinner

:32:02.:32:10.

with the European Commission president. We will bring you the

:32:11.:32:14.

latest. Now get the latest headlines. From today, owners of

:32:15.:32:21.

older, more polluting vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10 to drive

:32:22.:32:26.

into Central London. The scheme known as the T-charge is designed to

:32:27.:32:30.

reduce air pollution and has been described as the toughest emissions

:32:31.:32:34.

standards of any major city award. The move has been welcomed by some

:32:35.:32:39.

health charities and environmental groups. Some say that it does not go

:32:40.:32:43.

far enough. The mirror of the capital has defended the policy. We

:32:44.:32:47.

have children in London whose lungs are underdeveloped because of the

:32:48.:32:51.

poor quality of the air. Adults suffering from a variety of

:32:52.:32:55.

conditions from asthma through to dementia and strokes, link to the

:32:56.:32:59.

poor quality air. So today's T-charge is the toughest vehicles

:33:00.:33:04.

emissions charge an award for a reason. We need to get the most

:33:05.:33:08.

polluting vehicles off the streets of London. The UK's biggest business

:33:09.:33:15.

lobby groups including the Institute of Directors and the CBI are calling

:33:16.:33:18.

for an urgent Brexit transition deal to safeguard jobs and investment. In

:33:19.:33:23.

a joint letter due to be sent to the Brexit secretary David Davis in the

:33:24.:33:27.

coming days, the groups warn that time is running out. A government

:33:28.:33:31.

spokesman said that the talks are making real, tangible progress. The

:33:32.:33:36.

Victoria Derbyshire programme has learned that the government is

:33:37.:33:39.

considering whether new restrictions are needed on gambling adverts on TV

:33:40.:33:45.

during football matches. One in five of the commercials broadcast across

:33:46.:33:49.

25 matches were for betting companies, rising to more than one

:33:50.:33:53.

in three on some games. A government report on the subject is expected as

:33:54.:33:58.

early as next week. Patients are being encouraged to go home and rest

:33:59.:34:04.

in order to recover from some illnesses rather than being

:34:05.:34:07.

prescribed unnecessary and. It's part of a new campaign by Public

:34:08.:34:11.

Health England. Health officials warn that the overuse of certain

:34:12.:34:16.

medicines has made some infections harder to treat by creating

:34:17.:34:21.

drug-resistant superbugs. Last year in England alone, more than 3000

:34:22.:34:26.

people died from such infections. That's the summary of the latest BBC

:34:27.:34:34.

News. Let's get some sport now with Jessica. Good morning. Mercedes

:34:35.:34:38.

driver Lewis Hamilton is on the brink of winning his fourth Formula

:34:39.:34:41.

1 drivers championship. He won big US Grand Prix yesterday ahead of his

:34:42.:34:46.

Ferrari rival. I am just handing back to you now, Chloe. We can go

:34:47.:34:52.

straight to Central London where the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, is

:34:53.:34:58.

talking about North Korea. This is an example of the kind of

:34:59.:35:01.

infrastructure that you were just talking about. It is an

:35:02.:35:05.

inspirational structure that was created many, many decades ago, over

:35:06.:35:14.

100 years ago and has been beautifully upgraded and has stood

:35:15.:35:18.

the test of time. And that is what I want to talk about this morning,

:35:19.:35:23.

because all of you young, thrusting Chatham House types are looking far

:35:24.:35:32.

too dynamic to remember the early 1980s are indeed the late 1970s. Do

:35:33.:35:37.

you? I certainly do. I remember being chilled to the marrow, not

:35:38.:35:42.

just by the newspaper graphics, the hundreds of nuclear missiles trained

:35:43.:35:48.

in this country by the Warsaw Pact, and scarier still, the attempts by

:35:49.:35:54.

the UK Government to reassure the population, the pamphlets and films

:35:55.:35:59.

that told you such things as how to build a fallout shelter. You took

:36:00.:36:04.

several doors off of their hinges and prop them up diagonally against

:36:05.:36:08.

the wall, reinforced them with suitcases full of books and then you

:36:09.:36:12.

were told to tune into Radio 4, whether contingency plans would play

:36:13.:36:21.

endless reruns of Just A Minute. There was a time in British children

:36:22.:36:25.

knew all about four-minute warnings and the perils of radiation sickness

:36:26.:36:30.

and we all read a book called Where The Wind Blows by Raymond Briggs.

:36:31.:36:40.

Remember that? I remember it, as a teenager, about the horror of those

:36:41.:36:44.

weapons. For decades now, that threat has seemed to vanish. It went

:36:45.:36:50.

with the end of the Cold War. We don't want it back. And that is why

:36:51.:36:58.

people are watching with such interest, and the first stirrings of

:36:59.:37:04.

apprehension, the events in the Karim peninsular. Kim Jong-hyun has

:37:05.:37:10.

tested 19 Misano so far this year and has conducted four of the six

:37:11.:37:16.

nuclear tests ever carried out by that country. It is now widely

:37:17.:37:24.

accepted that Kim is coming closer to being able to launch a nuclear

:37:25.:37:31.

armed ICBM over the continental United States. I should stress this

:37:32.:37:36.

is not only prompted outrage in America but it is a prospect that

:37:37.:37:40.

has been unanimously consent -- condemned by Russia, China, the EU,

:37:41.:37:44.

to say nothing of the dismay of those quintessentially peaceable

:37:45.:37:52.

countries, Japan and South Korea. It is this increased tempo of nuclear

:37:53.:37:56.

testing, coupled with florid outbursts of verbal belligerence

:37:57.:38:03.

that have reawakened, even in this country, those forgotten fears. The

:38:04.:38:10.

public can be forgiven for genuinely starting to wonder whether the

:38:11.:38:14.

nuclear sword of Damocles is once again held over the head of a

:38:15.:38:21.

trembling human race. So now is perhaps a good moment in a calm and

:38:22.:38:31.

dispassionate way, to take stock. Before we reissue that old pamphlet

:38:32.:38:39.

called Protect And Survive, before we teach kids how to hide under

:38:40.:38:43.

desks and lay on stocks of baked beans and spam, let's look at the

:38:44.:38:50.

history of nuclear proliferation, how nuclear weapons have spread and

:38:51.:38:54.

how we have collectively sought to contain their spread. Back then, as

:38:55.:39:04.

now, most predictions were gloomy. And yet those gloomy predictions

:39:05.:39:06.

have been utterly confounded by events. America was of course the

:39:07.:39:17.

first to use the bomb in 1945. The Soviet Union detonated a device in

:39:18.:39:22.

1949, the UK next in 1952, the French did their testing in the

:39:23.:39:27.

Sahara and 1960. And at that point, the then American presidential

:39:28.:39:31.

candidate John F. Kennedy predicted that, by 1964, within only four

:39:32.:39:40.

years, there would be ten, 15 or 20 nations that would acquire nuclear

:39:41.:39:47.

weapons. As things have turned out, it is now almost 60 years after he

:39:48.:39:59.

issued his warning and, yes, the NPT has some notable non-signatories

:40:00.:40:02.

including India and Pakistan and yet the number of nuclear armed

:40:03.:40:04.

countries has yet to reach double figures. This is, on the face of it,

:40:05.:40:15.

an absolutely astonishing statistic. And an extraordinary achievement.

:40:16.:40:19.

When you consider that every previous military development, from

:40:20.:40:22.

firearms to fighter jets has spread among humanity like impetigo, you

:40:23.:40:31.

have to ask yourself why. Why has nuclear weapons been a great

:40:32.:40:36.

exception? It can't just be the kit. They cannot be so complex that only

:40:37.:40:39.

a handful of so-called advanced nations have the intellectual

:40:40.:40:44.

wherewithal to make them. It is true that the process is laborious and

:40:45.:40:49.

highly expensive, but the basic technology is more than 70 years old

:40:50.:40:53.

and indeed has been taught in universities, if not schools, for

:40:54.:41:00.

decades. Generations. The answer is partly that many countries wisely

:41:01.:41:03.

decided, after the war, that they were going to take shelter under the

:41:04.:41:11.

nuclear umbrella provided by the United States, nations in both

:41:12.:41:15.

Europe and in Asia opted for this protection. A commitment that must

:41:16.:41:19.

be rated one of the greatest contributions by America to the

:41:20.:41:23.

unprecedented Epoque of peace and prosperity that we have all been

:41:24.:41:29.

living through. I should observe that some European countries found

:41:30.:41:33.

themselves under a rival umbrella provided by the Soviet Union,

:41:34.:41:37.

although by that stage, they had no choice in the matter. It was that

:41:38.:41:43.

American fall, that guarantee, that make possible global consensus

:41:44.:41:50.

embodied by the 1970 nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. By this

:41:51.:41:57.

Treaty, 191 nations came together to recognise the special role of the

:41:58.:42:04.

five existing nuclear powers and also to insist that there should be

:42:05.:42:09.

no further dispersal of such weapons. Nuclear technology would be

:42:10.:42:14.

made available to other countries, provided it was used exclusively for

:42:15.:42:22.

civilian purposes. That was a great diplomatic achievement. It was an

:42:23.:42:29.

effort in which the UK, as one of the leading upholders of the

:42:30.:42:32.

post-war rules -based international order, played a crucial role. The

:42:33.:42:41.

British delegation was led by Alan Chalfant, now Lord Chalfont, the

:42:42.:42:45.

Labour Minister, who was, and at the age of 100, almost 100, still is a

:42:46.:42:51.

representative of the days when Labour was both hawkish and

:42:52.:42:59.

commonsensical on nuclear deterrence. That diplomacy has

:43:00.:43:05.

helped make the world safer, more secure, more confident and therefore

:43:06.:43:12.

more prosperous. It has helped to avoid what might otherwise have been

:43:13.:43:17.

a gathering rush to destruction in which the world was turned into a

:43:18.:43:21.

great arena of Mexican stand-offs, a nuclear version of the final scene

:43:22.:43:31.

of Reservoir Dogs. That far-sightedness is now needed more

:43:32.:43:36.

than ever. Not only to keep the NPT, but also, one of its most valuable,

:43:37.:43:44.

complementary accords, the nuclear deal with Iran. To grasp the

:43:45.:43:50.

importance of the joint comprehensive plan of action, we

:43:51.:43:55.

should remember that, just before it was signed in 2015, Iran had enough

:43:56.:44:02.

centrifuges and low enriched uranium to be only months away from

:44:03.:44:07.

producing the essential material for at least one nuclear weapon. Let's

:44:08.:44:11.

remember what the consequences would have been for Iran and the walk, if

:44:12.:44:22.

Teheran had gone down that road. Never mind the response of Israel or

:44:23.:44:25.

indeed the United States to the back of nuclear weapons in the hip or the

:44:26.:44:32.

Iranians, a regime that has been capable of bloodcurdling rhetoric

:44:33.:44:35.

about the mere existence of the Zionist entity. A nuclear armed Iran

:44:36.:44:45.

would have placed irresistible pressure on neighbouring countries

:44:46.:44:48.

to up the anti and to trigger an arms race in what is already one of

:44:49.:44:51.

the most volatile regions of the world. Imagine all those mutually

:44:52.:45:01.

contaminating sectarian dynastic internee Sign conflicts in the

:45:02.:45:06.

Middle East today. Then, turn the dial and add a nuclear arms race.

:45:07.:45:15.

It is nightmare we can continue to avoid if we are sensible, and if we

:45:16.:45:25.

show the same generosity and wisdom as the negotiators the of the NPT.

:45:26.:45:33.

First and and most important, it is important to understand, vital to

:45:34.:45:39.

understand, that President Trump has not withdrawn from the JCPOA. He has

:45:40.:45:47.

not junked it. He has won'ted -- continued to waive nuclear sanctions

:45:48.:45:52.

against Iran and having spoken to some of the most influential figures

:45:53.:45:57.

onical tap -- Capitol Hill, none of them fans of the Iranian regime, I

:45:58.:46:02.

have no doubt with determination, and with courage, the JCPOA can be

:46:03.:46:07.

preserved. This is not just because the

:46:08.:46:14.

essential deal is in the interests of western security, though it is.

:46:15.:46:18.

But because it is profoundly in the interests of the Iranian people.

:46:19.:46:25.

This is a great nation. Of 80 million people. Two thirds of whom

:46:26.:46:31.

are under the age of 30. They are highly educated men and women, they

:46:32.:46:37.

watch YouTube, they dance to music video, even if it is in the privacy

:46:38.:46:43.

of their own home, they use and understand technology, they are

:46:44.:46:48.

bursting with capitalist and entrepreneurial spirit. If we can

:46:49.:46:54.

show them they are welcome in the great global market place of ideas

:46:55.:47:02.

and innovation, in time, a very different relationship is possible

:47:03.:47:06.

with the modern heirs of what is after all, one of the greatest of

:47:07.:47:13.

all ancient civilisations, that is the possibility that the JCPOA holds

:47:14.:47:20.

open. Not just averting a perilous and debilitating arms race, but

:47:21.:47:25.

ending the long and largely self imposed exclusion of Iran from the

:47:26.:47:29.

global mainstream that so many millions of Iranians yearn to join.

:47:30.:47:37.

Of course, of course we share, we in the UK share with our American

:47:38.:47:41.

friends and with many of our allies, in Europe and across the Middle

:47:42.:47:46.

East, the concern, the legitimate concern over the disruptive

:47:47.:47:50.

behaviour of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, in countries

:47:51.:47:53.

hundreds of miles from their borders. It is simply provocative

:47:54.:47:59.

and dangerous that Iran has supplied tens of thousands of rockets and

:48:00.:48:06.

missiles to Hezbollah, weapons that are point at Israel but whose use

:48:07.:48:12.

would bring the most destructive retaliation not on Iran, the

:48:13.:48:15.

responsible party, but upon the people of Lebanon.

:48:16.:48:21.

It is of no conceivable benefit to the tormented people of Yemen, that

:48:22.:48:28.

Iran should be supplying missiles to the Houthi rebels who they use to

:48:29.:48:35.

target Saudi Arabia. Behaviour which alalas can only strengthen the

:48:36.:48:37.

consickions of those in the region who believe they have no choice but

:48:38.:48:44.

to respond to Iran's actions. Frankly, it is astonishing, that the

:48:45.:48:50.

Iranians, who rightly complain that the world looked the other way when

:48:51.:48:56.

they suffered so tragically from the chemical weapons deployed by Saddam

:48:57.:49:02.

Hussein in the 0s should even now by a betting and concealing the crimes

:49:03.:49:10.

of Bashar al-Assad who has used the same methods against his own people.

:49:11.:49:15.

So I think it is right that we should join with our American

:49:16.:49:20.

friends and allies to counter this kind of behaviour, where ever

:49:21.:49:26.

possible. But that does not mean for one minute that with should write

:49:27.:49:32.

Iran off or we should refuse to engage with Iran, or we should show

:49:33.:49:37.

disrespect to its people, on the contrary. We should continue to

:49:38.:49:42.

work, to demonstrate to that population, in Iran, that they will

:49:43.:49:47.

be better off, that they will be better off under this deal, and the

:49:48.:49:54.

path of reengagement it prescribes, and that is the model of toughness,

:49:55.:49:59.

but engagement. Each reinforcing the other. That we should have at the

:50:00.:50:05.

front of our mind, as we try to resolve the tensions in the Korean

:50:06.:50:10.

peninsula. I think it is right that Rex Tillerson has specifically

:50:11.:50:15.

opened the door to dialogue. He has tried to give some sensible

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reassurances to the regime, to enable them to take up this offer.

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Offer. Remember the four noes that have been offered by the South

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Korean President and reinforce bed I the US Secretary of State. No

:50:30.:50:35.

seeking regime regime change, no seeks to force the collapse of North

:50:36.:50:39.

Korea's regime, no seeking to deploy US forces beyond the 38th parallel,

:50:40.:50:45.

no attempt to accelerate the reunification of Korea.

:50:46.:50:53.

These are the commitments that we hope will encourage Kim Jong-un to

:50:54.:50:58.

halt his nuclear weapons programme. To come to the negotiating table and

:50:59.:51:03.

there to take the only path that can guarantee the security of the region

:51:04.:51:08.

as a whole. You will often here it -- hear it said that in weighing up

:51:09.:51:14.

those options Kim must bear in mind the woeful precedence of those whoa

:51:15.:51:23.

disarmed. Of Libya, where the leader listens to the ambulance dishments

:51:24.:51:27.

of the west and gave up his nuclear weapons programme over to be

:51:28.:51:34.

overthrown with western connigh vans or Ukraine which surrendered its

:51:35.:51:38.

nuclear Arsenal to suffer the forceable loss of territory in

:51:39.:51:43.

Europe since 1945. 1945. It is therefore suggested that Kim would

:51:44.:51:47.

be sealing his own fate if he were to comply. I reject those analogies.

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What finished Gaddafi was an up rising of his own people, including

:51:59.:52:03.

on the streets of Tripoli. Even if he had been able to perfect a nuke

:52:04.:52:09.

Arsenal in time, and if it is true, that he had a justified reputation

:52:10.:52:15.

for mercurial behaviour, it seems unlikely that he would have December

:52:16.:52:22.

decided to nuke his own capical, -- capital, including himself. As

:52:23.:52:26.

survival strategies go, that would have been eccentric even by his own

:52:27.:52:32.

standards. As for Ukraine, the fundamental difference is that

:52:33.:52:38.

no-one, not South Korea, nor any other neighbour has any designs on

:52:39.:52:42.

the national territory of North Korea. And the crucial question Kim

:52:43.:52:54.

Jong-un surely needs to ask himself is whether his current activities

:52:55.:52:59.

are making Pyongyang any saver for himself and for his regime? No-one,

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I am sure no-one in this room, certainly no-one in the UK and

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indeed around the world wants any kind of military solution to this

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problem. Known actively desire -- no-one actively desires that

:53:18.:53:24.

outcome. But Kim -- Kim Jong-un and the world need to understand that

:53:25.:53:33.

when the 45th President of the United States contemplates a regime

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led by a man who not only threatens to reduce New York to ashes, but who

:53:42.:53:47.

stands on the verge of acquiring the power to make good on his threat, I

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am afraid that the US President, whoever he or she might be, will

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have an absolute duty to prepare any option to keep safe not only the

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American people, but all those who have sheltered under the American

:54:07.:54:14.

nuclear umbrella. I hope Kim will also consider this. That if he is

:54:15.:54:21.

objective is to intimidate the US, into wholesale withdrawal from east

:54:22.:54:26.

Asia, it strikes me his current course might also be designed to

:54:27.:54:35.

produce the opposite effect. Already President Moon of South Korea is

:54:36.:54:45.

installing US-made missile defences. And in Japan and South Korea, it is

:54:46.:54:50.

easy to imagine the growth of domestic pressure for those

:54:51.:54:55.

Governments to take further steps to protect their own populations, from

:54:56.:55:02.

a nuclear North Korea. In short, Pyongyang faces the same dilemma as

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Tehran. By continuing to develop nuclear capabilities Kim risks

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provoking a reaction in the region that it at one defensive and

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competitive. That reduces not increases his security and reduces

:55:20.:55:24.

the survival chances of the regime. And therefore, I hope that Kim will

:55:25.:55:37.

see that it is no part of his family doctrine of national self-reliance,

:55:38.:55:42.

no is it in the interests of his national security to end up with an

:55:43.:55:47.

escalation of America's military presence in east Asia, let althrown

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run the risks that could emperil his regime. Until he understands that I

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am afraid we have no choice collectively but to step up the

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pressure on Pyongyang. It is one of the most encouraging developments

:56:06.:56:07.

this year that the UN Security Council, with the strong support of

:56:08.:56:14.

the UK, has unanimously passed three resolutions to tighten the economic

:56:15.:56:18.

ligature around the regime. When I joined a debate on North Korea in

:56:19.:56:22.

the Security Council earlier this year, I was struck by the

:56:23.:56:29.

unaccustomed absence of discord. For the first time, the Chinese have

:56:30.:56:33.

agreed to impose strict limits on the export of oil to North Korea,

:56:34.:56:43.

which until now was taboo. There has been an unmistakable change in

:56:44.:56:47.

Chinese policy, that is warmly to be welcomed. In his speech to the 19th

:56:48.:56:54.

party Congress President Xi hailed China's standing as a world power. I

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would say there is no more urgent problem for China to address, nor

:57:01.:57:05.

anywhere Beijing has greater influence than the threat to

:57:06.:57:09.

international security represented by the behaviour of North Korea.

:57:10.:57:14.

There is also unprecedented discussion between China and the US,

:57:15.:57:21.

on how to handle this crisis, a thing I think bodes well for the

:57:22.:57:26.

world. I should pay tribute to my colleague Rex Tillerson for his

:57:27.:57:32.

efforts. Whatever we may think of the regime and its behaviour, the

:57:33.:57:38.

ruling elite in North Korea is in the end composed of human beings. We

:57:39.:57:43.

must find ways of getting through to them. And at the same time, not just

:57:44.:57:50.

toughening the sanctions regime, but enforcing those already in place,

:57:51.:57:55.

and, in this respect, again, the Chinese hold the key. This is the

:57:56.:58:01.

moment for North Korea's regime to change course. And, if they do, the

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world can show that it is once again capable of the diplomatic

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imagination that produced the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty,

:58:21.:58:25.

and after 12 years of continuous effort produced the JCPOA nuclear

:58:26.:58:29.

deal with Iran. It won't be easy but the costs of failure could be

:58:30.:58:38.

catastrophic. We cannot disinvent nuclear weapons or wish them away.

:58:39.:58:44.

And the events in the Korean pins peninsula are the clearest possible

:58:45.:58:49.

rejoinder to those such alas as Jeremy Corbyn in at least some of

:58:50.:58:53.

his pronouncement although I accept on this matter he says different

:58:54.:58:59.

things ass different times. To those who say we should unilaterally cast

:59:00.:59:05.

aside our nuclear weapons. To wield a nuclear deterrent as this

:59:06.:59:11.

country does is neither easy, nor cheap. Indeed it imposes a huge

:59:12.:59:19.

responsibility on any country. We are one of the handful specifically

:59:20.:59:25.

recognised by the MPT to possess such dreadful weapons and we do so

:59:26.:59:30.

not just in the name of our own security but via Nato for the

:59:31.:59:37.

protection of dozens of our allies. And by holding that stockpile, a

:59:38.:59:42.

minimum stockpile I should say which has been reduced by half since its

:59:43.:59:48.

Cold War peak we play or part in deterring the ambitions of rogue

:59:49.:59:52.

states. It is 25 years since the end of the Cold War. And a new

:59:53.:59:56.

generation has grown up with no memory of the threat of nuclear

:59:57.:00:01.

winter and little education in the appalling logic of mutually assured

:00:02.:00:13.

destruction. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, their destruction, the full horror

:00:14.:00:17.

of what took place is now fading from living memory.

:00:18.:00:25.

When people like Alan Chalfant drew up the NPT, those horrors were still

:00:26.:00:32.

fresh in the hearts of the world. We must not be so forgetful or so

:00:33.:00:37.

complacent as to require a new lesson in what these weapons can do,

:00:38.:00:44.

or of the price of failing to limit their spread. The NPT is one of the

:00:45.:00:49.

great diplomatic achievements of the last century. It has stood the test

:00:50.:00:56.

of time. In its restraint and its maturity, it shows an unexpected

:00:57.:01:03.

wisdom on the part of humanity, and almost evolutionary instinct for the

:01:04.:01:08.

survival of our species. It is the job of our generation now to

:01:09.:01:13.

preserve that agreement and British diplomacy will be at the forefront

:01:14.:01:17.

of that endeavour. Thank you all very much indeed for your attention

:01:18.:01:26.

this morning. Thank you so much. And that is the Foreign Secretary Boris

:01:27.:01:28.

Johnson making a speech in Central London. He's been talking about

:01:29.:01:34.

North Korea, saying that the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is

:01:35.:01:37.

right to keep an open dialogue. He says that there needs to be

:01:38.:01:39.

toughness but engagement and they have to step up pressure on North

:01:40.:01:43.

Korea. He also says Iran should continue to be engaged. Good

:01:44.:01:52.

morning. It is ten o'clock. Some 95% of TV advert breaks

:01:53.:01:55.

during live football feature at least one gambling ad and in some

:01:56.:01:57.

cases as many as one in three The sports betting adverts

:01:58.:02:01.

is absolutely huge. It's swamped the whole

:02:02.:02:04.

Premier League. It's trying get these bets placed

:02:05.:02:08.

as quickly as possible. So many of you getting in touch with

:02:09.:02:16.

others on this this morning. We'll be talking to people

:02:17.:02:18.

with experience of gambling Also, a government minister says

:02:19.:02:21.

the "only way" to deal with British IS fighters in Syria is "in almost

:02:22.:02:29.

every case" to kill them. Sir David Attenborough is back on

:02:30.:02:43.

our screens this Sunday with another series of Blue Planet. He talks

:02:44.:02:47.

about the threat to the oceans and says that climate change scepticism

:02:48.:02:51.

must be in decline. I think any sceptics that there were ten or 20

:02:52.:02:54.

years ago about global warming, climate change, and there were lots,

:02:55.:02:59.

must surely be diminishing almost vanishing point when you see the

:03:00.:03:00.

evidence. Here's Rebecca in the BBC Newsroom

:03:01.:03:10.

with a summary of today's news. From today, owners of older,

:03:11.:03:14.

dirtier vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10 to drive

:03:15.:03:20.

in central London. The scheme, known as the T-charge,

:03:21.:03:23.

is designed to reduce air pollution and has been described

:03:24.:03:26.

as the toughest emission standard and environmental groups,

:03:27.:03:28.

by some health charities although some say it

:03:29.:03:33.

doesn't go far enough. The mayor of the capital has

:03:34.:03:42.

defended the policy. The UK's biggest business lobby

:03:43.:03:45.

groups, including the Institute of Directors and the CBI,

:03:46.:03:48.

are calling for an urgent Brexit transition deal to safeguard

:03:49.:03:50.

jobs and investment. David Davis, in the coming days,

:03:51.:03:52.

to the Brexit Secretary, the groups warn that

:03:53.:03:56.

time is running out. A government spokesman says

:03:57.:04:01.

the talks "are making real,

:04:02.:04:02.

tangible progress". The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

:04:03.:04:16.

has backed those in the United States urging restraint on President

:04:17.:04:19.

Trump over both Iran and North Korea. In a speech in Central

:04:20.:04:23.

London, Mr Johnson said dialogue and diplomacy are needed to counter any

:04:24.:04:28.

threat of nuclear war. However, he warned that the increased tempo of

:04:29.:04:33.

nuclear testing by North Korea has reawakened forgotten fears.

:04:34.:04:42.

The Victoria Derbyshire programme has learnt

:04:43.:04:43.

that the government is considering whether new

:04:44.:04:45.

restrictions are needed on gambling adverts on TV

:04:46.:04:47.

were for betting firms, broadcast across 25 matches

:04:48.:04:51.

rising to more than one in three in some games.

:04:52.:04:54.

A government report on the subject is expected as early as next week.

:04:55.:04:58.

from some illnesses, home and rest in order to recover

:04:59.:05:04.

rather than be prescribed unnecessary antibiotics,

:05:05.:05:05.

as part of a new campaign by Public Health England.

:05:06.:05:09.

Health officials are warning the overuse of certain medicines

:05:10.:05:16.

has made some infections harder to treat by creating

:05:17.:05:18.

Last year, in England alone, more than 5,000 people died

:05:19.:05:24.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News. Moore at 1030 the AM. Bruce,

:05:25.:05:42.

Doctor Who, three new companions have been announced. But are they

:05:43.:05:47.

new companions? As someone who spends a lot of time on Doctor Who

:05:48.:05:52.

forums and websites... If they do not Ashley travelled with the doctor

:05:53.:05:58.

on his adventures, do they count as a companion? B don't know how these

:05:59.:06:02.

people are going to fit in. We have a familiar face, Bradley Walsh,

:06:03.:06:11.

known for his comedy, presenting The Chase on ITV, and a versatile

:06:12.:06:16.

talent. He has long been rumoured to be taking part. We have got Tosin

:06:17.:06:23.

Cole from EastEnders, and Mandeep Gill, who has appeared in Hollyoaks

:06:24.:06:32.

and on casualty. We have to talk about video footage that has emerged

:06:33.:06:38.

of Harry Styles being groped in the crotch during a concert in Los

:06:39.:06:42.

Angeles on Saturday night. Let's have a look at the video. SCREAMING.

:06:43.:06:56.

Let's have a look at the video. We are going to play that again...

:06:57.:07:02.

Hopefully. We will play again. You can see that he's pushing that fan

:07:03.:07:08.

away. This video has gone up on social media and it has been a huge

:07:09.:07:11.

reaction from people pointing out of course that any kind of contact like

:07:12.:07:17.

this is inappropriate one of the figures involved, Harry Styles, one

:07:18.:07:21.

of the biggest male stars in the world, with a very kind of adoring

:07:22.:07:25.

fan base, but really, people saying that this kind of thing, it doesn't

:07:26.:07:31.

matter who is affected by it, it is absolutely unacceptable. We haven't

:07:32.:07:34.

heard anything from Harry Styles or his people and no complaints have

:07:35.:07:37.

been made to the authorities at this point, but it shines a spotlight on

:07:38.:07:41.

the ongoing issue of any kind of inappropriate contact between

:07:42.:07:54.

celebrities and other people. Thank you, Liso, a la entertainment

:07:55.:07:56.

correspondent. Let's get some sports news now.

:07:57.:08:00.

Lewis Hamilton is edging closer to a fourth F1 world title

:08:01.:08:03.

He was made to work early in the race, after being overtaken

:08:04.:08:07.

by title rival Sebastian Vettel from the off.

:08:08.:08:09.

Hamilton managed to regain the lead on lap six and never looked back.

:08:10.:08:12.

There were many in attendance to watch Hamilton take

:08:13.:08:15.

his ninth victory of the season, including a certain Usain Bolt.

:08:16.:08:17.

It means that Hamilton needs just a top five finish in Mexico

:08:18.:08:20.

next weekend to clinch the Drivers' Championship.

:08:21.:08:22.

It has been an incredible year, so far.

:08:23.:08:24.

I did not expect to have the pace that we had on

:08:25.:08:28.

Sebastian this year, today, but the car felt fantastic,

:08:29.:08:30.

we had the right balance at the start.

:08:31.:08:32.

On to football, where it was another loss for Everton.

:08:33.:08:45.

And yet more pressure heaped on manager Ronald Kooman.

:08:46.:08:47.

Everton were thrashed 5-2 by Arsenal at Goodison Park

:08:48.:08:50.

But they conceded four second half goals, and means they've not

:08:51.:08:53.

won a match in five matches in all competitions.

:08:54.:09:04.

Manager Koeman admitted his club expects better.

:09:05.:09:07.

It is a tough time. The team is not performing well. The position in the

:09:08.:09:13.

table was not the position that Everton should be on. Everybody

:09:14.:09:17.

knows that. We had a lot of expectation after last season. And

:09:18.:09:22.

that, those expectations are not filling in at the moment. And that

:09:23.:09:26.

makes the situation really difficult. It was a miserable day

:09:27.:09:33.

for the Merseyside rivals Liverpool. They lost 4-1 to Spurs at Wembley.

:09:34.:09:39.

Harry Kane scored twice to increase his tally to 15 in all competitions

:09:40.:09:43.

this season. Liverpool paid for bad defensive errors.

:09:44.:09:45.

Congratulations this morning to Motherwell.

:09:46.:09:46.

They've have reached the Scottish League Cup final

:09:47.:09:48.

for the first time in more than a decade.

:09:49.:09:51.

They'll take on current holders Celtic in the final next month.

:09:52.:09:56.

The Chief of Staff for the President of the European Commission has

:09:57.:09:59.

denied leaking an account of Theresa May's dinner with EU

:10:00.:10:01.

negotiators last week to a German newspaper which claimed Theresa May

:10:02.:10:09.

"begged" Jean-Claude Juncker "for help" with Brexit.

:10:10.:10:11.

Our political correspondent Eleanor Garnier can tell us more.

:10:12.:10:16.

What details do we have unworthily came from? This is a report in the

:10:17.:10:26.

German newspaper. It is about a dinner that Theresa May had last

:10:27.:10:30.

week with the president of the commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, and

:10:31.:10:33.

also the EU chief negotiator, Michel Barnier. After that dinner this

:10:34.:10:39.

German newspaper is reporting that Theresa May seemed tired and

:10:40.:10:43.

despondent, she was apparently anxious and tormented and apparently

:10:44.:10:46.

asked those EU leaders for help, because of the domestic pressure she

:10:47.:10:50.

is facing back home, with her cabinet so divided over Brexit. We

:10:51.:10:56.

have heard from Jean-Claude Juncker's Chief of Staff this

:10:57.:10:59.

morning. He has denied leaking those reports to this German newspaper. He

:11:00.:11:03.

has denied that Jean-Claude Juncker even said those things. He said this

:11:04.:11:08.

is an attempt to frame the EU, undermine negotiations and he has

:11:09.:11:13.

insisted that Brussels does not want to undermine Theresa May's position.

:11:14.:11:17.

Another thing I would like to speak about as this letter that has

:11:18.:11:20.

emerged from Britain's five biggest business lobby groups. They are

:11:21.:11:25.

calling for an urgent Brexit transitional deal. Explain what it

:11:26.:11:29.

is what they are calling for. These business groups say that things are

:11:30.:11:32.

so uncertain now, and they are worried about the future, and the

:11:33.:11:36.

decisions they need to make in order to secure the growth that they think

:11:37.:11:41.

their businesses need, but of course lead into the UK's economy. They say

:11:42.:11:46.

that the country needs an urgent transition deal put in place as soon

:11:47.:11:50.

as possible to end that uncertainty. What this transition deal would do

:11:51.:11:54.

would be to keep things as they are, the day after we leave the EU. They

:11:55.:11:58.

say things need to be as close as possible to the existing

:11:59.:12:03.

arrangements, the day after we leave the EU. We know Theresa May has said

:12:04.:12:08.

she does want a transition deal of about two years. But we also know

:12:09.:12:12.

that the EU would agree on that until further progress is made on

:12:13.:12:17.

the divorce side of things, the divorce talks. Issues like the

:12:18.:12:22.

rights of EU citizens and of course the big sticking point that we have

:12:23.:12:27.

seen so far, money, that issue of how much the UK is willing to pay

:12:28.:12:34.

the EU, as it leaves the union. That's what business leaders want.

:12:35.:12:38.

It just shows how much pressure Theresa May is under. She is

:12:39.:12:42.

fighting on all fronts, not just in the EU with negotiations there,

:12:43.:12:45.

trying to persuade those in Brussels to move onto talks about trade. She

:12:46.:12:49.

has pressure here in Westminster from MPs, not just on the opposition

:12:50.:12:54.

parties but behind, on own backbenches and of course from

:12:55.:12:55.

businesses, too. Now we can speak to Kwasi Kwarteng,

:12:56.:13:00.

a Conservative MP who was a leading Leave campaigner

:13:01.:13:02.

and Heidi Alexander, Labour MP and Remain supporter

:13:03.:13:05.

who is part of Thank you both for coming in. Let's

:13:06.:13:15.

talk first of all about that embarrassing leak today. It has been

:13:16.:13:18.

quoted that Theresa May begged for help last week from Jean-Claude

:13:19.:13:24.

Juncker. She was anxious, tormented, despondent and discouraged. That is

:13:25.:13:27.

not the sort of language you want to hear one woman who is meant to be

:13:28.:13:32.

leaving these Brexit negotiations. We have had these looks before. I'm

:13:33.:13:34.

not sure how much credence we can give them. I think the Chief of

:13:35.:13:40.

Staff of Jean-Claude Juncker has already been fingered for leaking

:13:41.:13:44.

the first meeting, if you remember, all those months ago. The story

:13:45.:13:57.

appeared in the same newspaper, in the property. That doesn't mean it

:13:58.:14:00.

is not true. They have been playing lots of games on the EU side. What

:14:01.:14:04.

the Prime Minister has always said has been consistent. If you look at

:14:05.:14:09.

the Lancaster House speech, and what she said subsequently, she's had a

:14:10.:14:13.

consistent line. There will be lots of noise, lots of different word

:14:14.:14:17.

said about her position but I think her position is actually quite clear

:14:18.:14:22.

one. It is worth saying that the source of the league has denied

:14:23.:14:27.

making it. I think there is no smoke without fire, to be honest and this

:14:28.:14:31.

is probably underlining the extent to which these negotiations are

:14:32.:14:36.

going so badly wrong. I think that Theresa May may find some friendly

:14:37.:14:40.

faces round the negotiating table in Brussels than she actually finds

:14:41.:14:42.

around the Cabinet table in Number Ten. She has got huge problems on

:14:43.:14:48.

her own backbenches and with some of her Cabinet colleagues. And so, I

:14:49.:14:52.

think the news that we have heard this morning about this letter from

:14:53.:14:58.

a number of significant employers just underscores how critical it is

:14:59.:15:05.

that we get an agreement on transition which is essentially

:15:06.:15:08.

staying in the single market and Customs union for a number of years

:15:09.:15:13.

following the conclusion of Article 50 negotiations. Does it worry you,

:15:14.:15:17.

this letter from these business leaders? They are worried, and if

:15:18.:15:20.

they are worried that is not good for the economy. A couple of things

:15:21.:15:23.

you must bear in mind, the transition give something the

:15:24.:15:27.

Chancellor has mentioned. Liam Fox, lots of people on both sides of the

:15:28.:15:31.

unit within the Conservative Party are signed up to this. This is

:15:32.:15:37.

nothing new. Secondly, I would say... Forgive me, forgive me, Heidi

:15:38.:15:46.

has made a number of remarks about disagree with and I would like to

:15:47.:15:50.

counter. These business leaders have said that there is support in the

:15:51.:15:54.

government for transitional arrangements and they are putting

:15:55.:15:57.

together budgets for next year and they are saying, if you do not start

:15:58.:16:03.

telling as soon... What I am saying, Heidi said that the negotiations are

:16:04.:16:06.

going badly. They are not. Angela Merkel has said that we can talk

:16:07.:16:10.

about trade in December after the first stage is done. Many people on

:16:11.:16:15.

your side were saying that it was going to be next year. We have

:16:16.:16:21.

talked down the British diplomacy and government and economy, but

:16:22.:16:23.

actually, if you strip away all of the rhetoric, we are not in a bad

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place. I think we will get a deal. Everyone involved is confident that

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we can get the deal, and then we can move on.

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People said this summit in October was going to be crunch time.

:16:35.:16:40.

Businesses need the certainty about what the trading arrangements are

:16:41.:16:43.

going to be, whether they are going to have to make customs declaration,

:16:44.:16:47.

whether they their supply chain is going to hold up, they need that

:16:48.:16:53.

certainty, because we are looking at a situation in March 2019, which is

:16:54.:16:57.

less than a year-and-a-half away now, and so, you know, the fact that

:16:58.:17:01.

we haven't been able to progress to the talks about the future trading

:17:02.:17:05.

arrangement, all we have got from this summit is an agreement that we

:17:06.:17:10.

are going to start talking about having talks in the future, when

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this is now 16 months since the referendum, for Government ministers

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to be describing this summit as a success when it was an unambiguous

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failure is nauseating in my view. I don't think she has got this right

:17:24.:17:28.

at all if we lock at it. It not from the referendum it have from the

:17:29.:17:32.

signing of the Article 50, in March. In the last six month, nine nonths

:17:33.:17:36.

we have had a lot of progress. Have we? People will be saying are you

:17:37.:17:43.

sure about that? We have had no progress on EU citizens right, on

:17:44.:17:46.

Northern Ireland, we haven't got agreement about moving to the next

:17:47.:17:50.

talk, these talks are failing and it is a mess and you have to accept

:17:51.:17:56.

that. If you let me talk, if we look where we were in March, no-one was

:17:57.:18:00.

talking about a transition deal in March, no-one was talking about

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that, now we are talking about that. In terms of EU migrants the Prime

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Minister has written a letter and said they will be allowed to stay,

:18:07.:18:11.

that wasn't the case in March. OK. Then when she say, when Heidi says

:18:12.:18:16.

we haven't made progress, three weeks' ago we were saying we would

:18:17.:18:19.

never get to a point where we talk about trade. Last week Angela Merkel

:18:20.:18:23.

said that we could get to that point before the end of the year. That is

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all progress. Those are three things in which we have made big steps. I

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think, eHeidi said it was nauseating it is nauseating for me to have the

:18:36.:18:41.

negotiationtive attitude on what is a sensitive discussion. We are make

:18:42.:18:42.

progress. Thank you for coming in. Sir David Attenborough talks

:18:43.:18:49.

about sea life and the threats it faces as he returns to screens this

:18:50.:18:53.

Sunday with a new series Gambling ads are banned on British

:18:54.:18:55.

TV before the 9pm watershed - except in live sporting matches -

:18:56.:19:02.

and now an investigation for this programme has found that 95% of ad

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breaks during football matches contain at least one

:19:06.:19:08.

gambling advert. A fifth of the commercials

:19:09.:19:09.

broadcast across 25 matches were for betting firms,

:19:10.:19:11.

rising to more than It comes as the government

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is considering whether new restrictions are needed,

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with a report expected You can watch it and you can

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get involved in it. The betting industry and the way it

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sells itself has changed radically. Ten years ago, the Labour Government

:19:34.:19:36.

let bookies advertise There was and still is

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an agreement not to show ads There is an exception though,

:19:39.:19:48.

in live sporting events When he was a teenager

:19:49.:19:56.

he started gambling Any spare money that I had was spent

:19:57.:20:03.

on gambling, you know, two weeks you would be losing,

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but you hoped to go on a lucky run. The number of problem gamblers has

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remained fairly stable over the last few years with around two million

:20:14.:20:16.

people at risk. The latest stats show

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if you are under 35 years old, you're far more likely

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to get in trouble. The sports betting adverts

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is absolutely huge. It has swamped the whole

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Premier League. It's almost seen that

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it's the thing to do. That you have to put

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a bet on to kind of get We looked at 25 games

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shown on TV this season. That's total of 1,324 commercials

:20:42.:20:47.

and sponsorship idents. Of those 272 were for betting ads -

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that's one in every five. For some games sponsored by betting

:20:50.:20:54.

firms, the rate was even higher. Take a recent Everton match, 40%

:20:55.:20:57.

of the adverts were for gambling. Again, 37% of the commercials

:20:58.:21:00.

were betting related. The Government is now under

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pressure to do more on this. At a recent debate in the House

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of Lords, former Spurs chairman It's my personal belief

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that it is these adverts that are the major culprits who induce

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young people to gamble. Frankly, these adverts are too

:21:28.:21:30.

clever, and too luring. The betting industry says

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there is no evidence that more adverts leads

:21:38.:21:38.

to more problem gambling. There's an interesting question

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there about whether the current Are they causing harm

:21:46.:21:47.

or is it subjective? People don't like them and there's

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even people in the gambling But we have a major review

:21:51.:21:52.

under way at the moment, It's a great opportunity to look

:21:53.:22:03.

at all these issues. The thing is a TV advertising ban

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can only do so much. Take the BBC's own programme,

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Match Of The Day. No commercials maybe, but a study

:22:10.:22:12.

by Goldsmith's University still found over 250 separate

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gambling adverts on screen - It's Burnley nil,

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West Ham United one. This is all likely to come

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to a head this autumn. A major government review

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of the gambling sector is expected soon and greater restrictions

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on advertising are The Government told us,

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"We have been clear that we expect the gambling sector to help people

:22:37.:22:43.

stay in control of their gambling, but there is clearly more work

:22:44.:22:46.

that is needed in this area". Liz Karter is a gambling addiction

:22:47.:22:49.

therapist who specialises in getting Matt Zarb-Cousin is a former

:22:50.:22:54.

gambling addict now working with the Campaign for Fairer

:22:55.:22:59.

Gambling. In Devon, Justyn Larcombe,

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a former gambler and trained money Negative attitude on what is a

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sensitive discussion. We are make progress. Thank you for coming in.

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Tell us hour your addiction took hold? It started when I was very

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young, 16, I got addicted to fixed odds betting machines, part of the

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review that is imminent. And I think the adverts, gambling adverts really

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are a trigger for people who are addicted. I think it is very

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difficult, you feel like you can't get away from gambling, whenever you

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go shopping, down the high street, there is dozens of betting shop, you

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turn on the TV to watch a sporting event, there is the ads again, and

:23:40.:23:44.

the feeling of gambling becoming more and more normalised I think is

:23:45.:23:48.

a cause for concern, particularly among young people. There was a

:23:49.:23:53.

study out last week, a Australian study on young people and how

:23:54.:23:57.

gambling adverts affect them. They, children as young as 11 were able to

:23:58.:24:03.

recall exactly what the. Amling advert was, how to place a bet. They

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knew about odds, I think that is a a particular concern, and I think it

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speaks to actually how bloated the gambling industry has got. Last year

:24:16.:24:20.

it generated 14 billion, and what does it say about our economy that

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these ads are everywhere, and half of football teams are sponsored by

:24:26.:24:30.

gambling companies. Liz, when you speak to people who have gapening

:24:31.:24:35.

addictions, are they talking about adverts in football matches being a

:24:36.:24:39.

trigger for them. It is a trigger, if we look at recovery, the area I

:24:40.:24:44.

have been working in for the last 16 year, whatever the evidence says I

:24:45.:24:48.

know through my professional experience, that the gambling

:24:49.:24:53.

adverts cause huge problems for people in their recovery, and

:24:54.:24:57.

doesn't recovery require some sort of personal responsibility, we are

:24:58.:25:00.

always asked, yes, of course it does, but we have to bear in mind,

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that when somebody is in recovery from gambling addiction they are in

:25:05.:25:09.

a massive conflict with themselves on the one hand there is one part of

:25:10.:25:14.

them that desperately wants to stop because they know their gambling is

:25:15.:25:19.

destroying their lives, their mental health and the lives of those round

:25:20.:25:24.

them they love and care about. They are, especially in the early weeks

:25:25.:25:29.

driven by huge intense cravings to gamble that are every bit as

:25:30.:25:34.

difficult to negotiate as anyone who is going through withdrawal from

:25:35.:25:40.

Class A drugs or alcohol so to be constantly drip fed adverts

:25:41.:25:43.

encouraging them what they are trying not to do is incredibly

:25:44.:25:49.

difficult. I want to introduce you to Jon Brian who has written about

:25:50.:25:53.

gambling adverts. I don't know how much you have heard of what Liz and

:25:54.:25:58.

Matt have said, they are talking about the prevalence of the TV

:25:59.:26:02.

adverts being a real problem for people trying to recover from

:26:03.:26:05.

gambling addiction, would you agree with that? I think they could be a

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problem, but I think, the bit I did hear was where someone said whatever

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the evidence shows, we have to stop this. I just don't think that is the

:26:15.:26:19.

case. I think the research is inconclusive in terms of whether or

:26:20.:26:23.

not they have an impact. I think they, there is a kind of tendency to

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think a common-sense idea, which there must be something we can do to

:26:28.:26:32.

stop these adverts and therefore regulate them. I don't think that, I

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think there is this assumption we immediate to do these things, to

:26:38.:26:41.

prevent the amount of adverts, but I think we can make our own choices

:26:42.:26:45.

from watching adverts about what it is we choose to do, overall, the

:26:46.:26:50.

Gambling Commission have just done a, some research that shows the

:26:51.:26:54.

level of problem gambling is statistically stable and in fact has

:26:55.:26:58.

been over the last few year, so I don't think there is anything that

:26:59.:27:04.

needs doing, I don't think we need any further regularings --

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regulation. A quick one it has gone up. It went up to 430,000 in 2015

:27:10.:27:16.

but aside from that, do you think it is appropriate young people are

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targeted with these advert, particularly when there is a

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prewatershed exemption, do you not think there is a case for these ads,

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if they are allowed they should be after the watershed. It depend that

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you you by young people. There is an assumption we need to protect

:27:36.:27:38.

children. The Gambling Commission and others have kind of recently

:27:39.:27:43.

writ frn and said that people need to adjust their adverts to make sure

:27:44.:27:48.

they don't attract children. I think that is a legitimate thing to do.

:27:49.:27:53.

When you saw young people are we talking about 16-year-old,

:27:54.:27:56.

18-year-old, 20-year-olds, what is, that we are talking about? It is

:27:57.:28:00.

clearly the case that gambling is something that the majority of

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people in this country enjoy, at least once a year, I the most recent

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research says 65% of people gambling at some point throughout the year,

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so, the fact there are a number of gambling advert, you know, I think

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that is a reflection of the way that things are, I think that you know,

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in terms of protecting children, you know, then, as I said, there has

:28:26.:28:31.

been recent intervention to try and do that, but, I don't think that we

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should all be treated. That is a real problem. If I could come in

:28:38.:28:41.

there I would like to be clear what I said certainly wasn't let's stop

:28:42.:28:45.

all gambling advertising, because I don't believe that would work, I

:28:46.:28:50.

think we need to have sensible reasonable discussions about the

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current level, I don't believe if we eradicate all advertising we will

:28:58.:28:59.

eradicate addiction to gambling, what I know is for the majority of

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people that I work with, their gambling addiction whether they are

:29:06.:29:10.

consciously wear of it is an attempt to medicate often high lesses of

:29:11.:29:16.

stress depression or anxiety by absorption in their addiction or

:29:17.:29:20.

getting a high from the experience, we talk about the FOBTs a lot and

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they have been dubbed the crack cocaine of the gambling industry.

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These fixed betting terminals. Exactly. So, to eradicate the

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adverts would not eradicate the problem, because the problem exists

:29:38.:29:41.

because of problems often that person has in their life, but what I

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think we do need to do, along with having sensible conversations about

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the level of advertising is look at how we are going to educate people

:29:51.:29:54.

in the real risks they are taking, if they do, as you said, choose to

:29:55.:29:59.

gamble, because for many people it will remain fun, for some people,

:30:00.:30:07.

they will become hooked not by the loss chasing initially but how hay

:30:08.:30:11.

feel when they are in the activity of gambling. I am sorry that we

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don't educate better in that, we can't just educate about the odds of

:30:17.:30:21.

winning or being sensible with money, to safeguard young people or

:30:22.:30:25.

indeed anybody of any age. We need to educate people that if they get

:30:26.:30:29.

hooked it might be they are going through a particularly difficult

:30:30.:30:31.

time in their life and gambling lifts their mood.

:30:32.:30:34.

Thank you ever so much. If let me bring this to you. Gemma

:30:35.:30:51.

Proctor has been charged with the murder of 18-month-old Elliot Potter

:30:52.:30:55.

to go from a sixth floor window in Bradford in West Yorkshire. Still to

:30:56.:31:02.

come, reaction to the comments from a government minister that the only

:31:03.:31:05.

way to deal with British extremists who have gone to fight with the

:31:06.:31:09.

so-called Islamic State in Syria is to kill them in almost every case. A

:31:10.:31:17.

group of MPs is to launch an inquiry into so-called pop-up brothels,

:31:18.:31:21.

where sex workers set up on premises for a short period before moving on.

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Time to the latest news now with Rebecca. Here are the headlines on

:31:32.:31:36.

BBC News. From today, owners of older,

:31:37.:31:39.

dirtier vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10 to drive

:31:40.:31:42.

in central London. The scheme, known as the T-charge,

:31:43.:31:44.

is designed to reduce air pollution and has been described

:31:45.:31:47.

as the toughest emission standard and environmental groups,

:31:48.:31:49.

by some health charities although some say it

:31:50.:31:54.

doesn't go far enough. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

:31:55.:32:07.

has backed those in the United States urging restraint on President

:32:08.:32:10.

Trump over both Iran and North Korea. In a speech in Central

:32:11.:32:15.

London, Mr Johnson said dialogue and diplomacy are needed to counter any

:32:16.:32:20.

threat of nuclear war. He said recent activity by North Korea had

:32:21.:32:25.

raised fears around the world. It is this increased tempo of nuclear

:32:26.:32:31.

testing, coupled with florid outbursts of verbal belligerence

:32:32.:32:37.

that have reawakened, even in this country, those forgotten peers. --

:32:38.:32:48.

fears. The public can be forgiven for once again starting to wonder

:32:49.:32:52.

whether the nuclear sword of Damocles is once again held over the

:32:53.:32:54.

head of a trembling human race. The Victoria Derbyshire

:32:55.:32:59.

programme has learnt that the government

:33:00.:33:01.

is considering whether new restrictions are needed

:33:02.:33:02.

on gambling adverts on TV were for betting firms,

:33:03.:33:04.

broadcast across 25 matches rising to more than one

:33:05.:33:09.

in three in some games. A government report on the subject

:33:10.:33:12.

is expected as early as next week. Patients are being encouraged to go

:33:13.:33:20.

home and rest in order

:33:21.:33:22.

to recover from some illnesses, rather than be prescribed

:33:23.:33:24.

unnecessary antibiotics, as part of a new campaign

:33:25.:33:25.

by Public Health England. Health officials are warning

:33:26.:33:28.

the overuse of certain medicines has made some infections harder

:33:29.:33:32.

to treat by creating Last year, in England alone,

:33:33.:33:34.

more than 5,000 people died That's a summary of

:33:35.:33:39.

the latest BBC News. Lewis Hamilton is edging closer

:33:40.:33:53.

to a fourth F1 world title If he finishes in the top five in

:33:54.:34:10.

Mexico next weekend he will seal the championship. Everton manager Ronald

:34:11.:34:19.

Koeman is leaving training today and preparing as normal for Everton's

:34:20.:34:25.

next match. There is increasing speculation about his future after

:34:26.:34:28.

Everton drop into the relegation zone following defeat at Arsenal. I

:34:29.:34:35.

will try to carry on... You don't have to carry on. I have been there.

:34:36.:34:41.

It is not pleasant. Take a drink of water. I was going to give you the

:34:42.:34:44.

rest of the sport but it is not going to happen, I'm afraid. Don't

:34:45.:34:48.

apologise, it has happened to all of us.

:34:49.:34:56.

A group of MPs have today launched an inquiry into so called "pop-up"

:34:57.:34:59.

brothels which are growing in popularity across the UK.

:35:00.:35:01.

It's where sex workers use rented properties for between one day

:35:02.:35:04.

and a few weeks before packing up and moving on.

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Many of the pop-up brothels are linked to organised crime gangs,

:35:07.:35:09.

Let's talk now to Carrie Mitchell from Poland and Romania.

:35:10.:35:12.

from the English Collective of Prostitutes, who says

:35:13.:35:14.

women are being forced into this predicament.

:35:15.:35:16.

Inspector Dave Meredith is from Newquay Police, whose force

:35:17.:35:19.

discovered 14 pop-up brothels in the seaside town

:35:20.:35:21.

Thank you both for coming in and speaking to us. Why are these pop-up

:35:22.:35:32.

brothels increasing, do we know? Well, we think they are caused, the

:35:33.:35:39.

name pop-up brothels is a bit of a misnomer. These are short-term lets,

:35:40.:35:44.

as you said, and they are caused by the police closing down longer-term

:35:45.:35:48.

premises where women have been working in many cases stably, the

:35:49.:35:52.

premises have been there and have been stable for a while, but the

:35:53.:35:57.

police are raiding and closing premises using closure orders or

:35:58.:36:02.

they are just coming round and saying, if you don't close in a

:36:03.:36:06.

week, I will come back and prosecute. That has happened widely

:36:07.:36:10.

around the country. And this has forced women to move to short-term

:36:11.:36:16.

lets to keep ahead of the police. So this isn't about criminal gangs

:36:17.:36:20.

trafficking Eastern European woman? This is about women who have, for

:36:21.:36:24.

years, work in brothels, they have been closed down. There may be

:36:25.:36:27.

immigrant women working in short-term lets, but the trafficking

:36:28.:36:36.

initiatives are really based on outdated figures. Less than 6% of

:36:37.:36:41.

sex workers are trafficked, have been forced to work. So people

:36:42.:36:44.

shouldn't worry so much and if anybody is being forced to work in

:36:45.:36:47.

the sex industry or any industry they should be able to come forward

:36:48.:36:51.

and report it to the police but that again is a problem because then you

:36:52.:36:55.

fear that you're going to be thrown out of your premises or deported,

:36:56.:36:58.

and that is big fear for women, because most of them are mothers or

:36:59.:37:03.

they are working to send money home to other countries. Can you pick up

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and respond to those points? Good morning. I would like to clarify

:37:11.:37:15.

that the police approach to dealing with pop-up brothels is very much a

:37:16.:37:21.

victim centred. It is not like it was done decades ago, when they were

:37:22.:37:24.

arrested and taken in handcuffs. When we do visit a pop-up brothel,

:37:25.:37:28.

it is very much a safeguarding approach to checking their wealth of

:37:29.:37:33.

the sex workers, to check on their welfare and perhaps give them

:37:34.:37:36.

signposting advice to various welfare agencies and secondly to

:37:37.:37:42.

gather evidence to see if they are victims of sex trafficking. That is

:37:43.:37:51.

good, as long as women can come forward and report and they know

:37:52.:37:55.

that they can report to the police without fear of deportation. Our

:37:56.:38:00.

experience is that the police are raiding widely around the country.

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We've add women coming to our group who have been threatened by the

:38:05.:38:07.

police that if they do not close down they are going to prosecute

:38:08.:38:09.

anybody who works in the premises, including somebody who has had a

:38:10.:38:16.

violent attack and burglary to the police, that's the only reason she

:38:17.:38:19.

came to their pension then she was threatened with personal prosecution

:38:20.:38:24.

and then with deportation. -- came to the attention of the police. The

:38:25.:38:29.

police said that she had to close down. They said that she was

:38:30.:38:36.

allowing under age clients in. They have a strict policy of not doing

:38:37.:38:40.

that. The police evidence was they sat outside on a particular night

:38:41.:38:43.

and they had the evidence but in fact they did not have any clients,

:38:44.:38:48.

that night. So the police are not being straightforward, and we think

:38:49.:38:53.

there is something else behind it. What do you think? They are probably

:38:54.:38:58.

getting money in order to do these trafficking rates. That is what we

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think. You think there is an incentive to do this? There is an

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incentive to do this, and they should be leading women alone so

:39:08.:39:09.

that they can work together safely without fear of arrest. That has to

:39:10.:39:16.

be the way that the police go. Let's get a response to that. There is

:39:17.:39:22.

most sinister element to our approach to dealing with sex workers

:39:23.:39:28.

or pop-up brothels. -- there is no sinister element. It is a victim

:39:29.:39:31.

centred. The approach from the police is to visit rather than to

:39:32.:39:37.

raid a pop-up brothel and, when we do visit, we have a caring and

:39:38.:39:41.

compassionate approach. We go along and most of the visits are planned

:39:42.:39:47.

and structured and our intention when we go there is to safeguard and

:39:48.:39:51.

operate on a compassionate and victim centred approach. And that

:39:52.:39:55.

includes signposting sex workers to various aid agencies and doing

:39:56.:40:00.

everything we can to find out if they are the subject of modern

:40:01.:40:06.

slavery and sex trafficking. As I said, we have moved on in Leeds and

:40:07.:40:10.

bounds in the last decades and our overall approach is far removed from

:40:11.:40:14.

what it used to be, arrest and prosecution, and now it is a

:40:15.:40:20.

question of welfare. We are going to have to move on. Thank you for

:40:21.:40:22.

coming in. Any remaining scepticism

:40:23.:40:24.

about climate change must be at vanishing point,

:40:25.:40:25.

when you see what's happening to the oceans -

:40:26.:40:28.

so says Sir David Attenborough, who's back on our screens

:40:29.:40:31.

this Sunday with another

:40:32.:40:33.

series of Blue Planet. He talked about the fragility

:40:34.:40:34.

of the ocean, the threats it faces, and the remarkable communication

:40:35.:40:39.

between sea life, and exploding lakes of methane gas,

:40:40.:40:42.

when he sat down for an interview with our science

:40:43.:40:45.

editor David Shukman. Hidden beneath the waves, right

:40:46.:40:50.

beneath my feet there are creatures It's always said we know

:40:51.:40:53.

more about the moon Is that really true and do you think

:40:54.:41:05.

this adventure shows that? This world is infinitely more

:41:06.:41:15.

complex than anything we've discovered out in the universe

:41:16.:41:17.

as far as I know. The degree of complexity

:41:18.:41:20.

of what we need to know or do know about the moon and Mars are not very

:41:21.:41:24.

great actually because there are no life, there's no complex communities

:41:25.:41:28.

of life to know things Do you think we will ever reach

:41:29.:41:30.

a point where we do know enough or is there always going to be

:41:31.:41:40.

a journey of curiosity and enquiry? As far as I can see,

:41:41.:41:45.

what we are discovering is almost always that the world is more

:41:46.:41:49.

intricate, more wonderful, more David, you have been involved

:41:50.:41:51.

in so many documentary series and this one,

:41:52.:42:04.

I've seen the first episode, What, for you, is the most startling

:42:05.:42:06.

revelation if you like about this I think it's the degree

:42:07.:42:11.

to which marine animals communicate with one another,

:42:12.:42:20.

not only individually within A mother walrus still needs to find

:42:21.:42:22.

a place where her young can rest. There was a very moving scene

:42:23.:42:36.

in episode one of a walrus mother trying to get her calf onto a piece

:42:37.:42:42.

of ice and there wasn't much left What is your sense about the scale

:42:43.:42:45.

and rate of change in, I think any sceptics

:42:46.:42:49.

that there were ten years ago, 20 years ago, about global warming

:42:50.:42:57.

and so on, climate change, and there were lots,

:42:58.:43:00.

must surely be diminishing, almost to vanishing point when you

:43:01.:43:03.

see the evidence we have collected. World scientists around the world

:43:04.:43:12.

have collected And the fact we are

:43:13.:43:14.

responsible for that. What is it that motivates

:43:15.:43:19.

you to remain engaged at this active This amazing panoply of astonishment

:43:20.:43:24.

and beauty and intricacy and wonder Discovery in the natural world

:43:25.:43:40.

is just a never ending delight. The extraordinary behaviours

:43:41.:43:48.

of all these creatures doing so, they are all so beautiful

:43:49.:43:51.

and extraordinary and so unlike anything else

:43:52.:43:54.

we encounter on our dry land. The world of the underwater

:43:55.:43:58.

is just amazing. Sir David Attenborough

:43:59.:44:02.

talking to our science Next this morning, in an incredibly

:44:03.:44:03.

rare interview we can hear now from an active FBI undercover agent

:44:04.:44:23.

who was able to infiltrate himself inside an Al-Qaeda linked cell

:44:24.:44:26.

and prevent the bombing of the New York-Toronto

:44:27.:44:29.

railway line. His story is published today under

:44:30.:44:30.

the pseudonym of Tamer El-Noury. His words have been revoiced

:44:31.:44:33.

to protect his identity. He was talking to

:44:34.:44:35.

Scott Pelley at CBS. It starts that morning

:44:36.:44:40.

that I'm travelling. I assume I'm travelling

:44:41.:44:42.

covertly in alias. I take a shower and I put on -

:44:43.:44:45.

for this case I put And I drive to the beach and I sit

:44:46.:44:48.

at the beach and I talk to myself out loud like a crazy person

:44:49.:45:05.

reciting everything there is to know about Tamer El-Noury,

:45:06.:45:08.

his company, his family, The FBI created a history

:45:09.:45:10.

for Tamer El-Noury, an online presence and actual office

:45:11.:45:19.

for his investment company, where a receptionist

:45:20.:45:21.

answered the phone. There were ownership

:45:22.:45:23.

records, a home, fake IDs and critical to the legend,

:45:24.:45:25.

there was a false personal tragedy. El-Noury's fake background said

:45:26.:45:27.

that his mother had died of neglect in a US hospital

:45:28.:45:29.

because of anti-Muslim That lie completed the picture

:45:30.:45:32.

of a wealthy Arab American Chiheb Esseghaier thought

:45:33.:45:49.

that his new friend was made to order which,

:45:50.:45:58.

of course, he was. Esseghaier twisted the Koran

:45:59.:46:00.

to justify attacking the West. He admitted that his trips

:46:01.:46:04.

to Iran were for meetings Surveillance showed that Esseghaier

:46:05.:46:06.

was checking Tamer El-Noury's back story and one night in a basement

:46:07.:46:13.

in Toronto, El-Noury Was grilled This interrogation was so sharp

:46:14.:46:16.

El-Noury feared that his He analysed the room

:46:17.:46:38.

in case he had to escape. But the cop within you had

:46:39.:46:42.

figured out where the exit was and had decided what order

:46:43.:46:44.

he was going to shoot the people As you get older and slower,

:46:45.:46:47.

you realise you always go That was a rare interview

:46:48.:46:56.

with an active FBI undercover agent who infiltrated himself

:46:57.:47:06.

inside an Al-Qaeda linked cell. Meanwhile, a government minister has

:47:07.:47:08.

said the "only way" to deal with British IS fighters in Syria

:47:09.:47:11.

is "in almost every Rory Stewart, a Foreign Office

:47:12.:47:13.

Minister, says converts to so-called Islamic State believed

:47:14.:47:22.

in an "extremely hateful doctrine" and had moved away from any

:47:23.:47:24.

allegiance to Britain. This is what Rory Stewart

:47:25.:47:26.

told BBC 5 Live. I don't think anybody should be

:47:27.:47:30.

in any doubt these are people who have essentially moved away

:47:31.:47:33.

from any kind of allegiance They are absolutely dedicated

:47:34.:47:35.

as members of Islamic State They believe in an extremely hateful

:47:36.:47:39.

doctrine which involves killing themselves and killing others

:47:40.:47:48.

and trying to use violence and brutality to create an eighth

:47:49.:47:50.

century or seventh century state. So I'm afraid we have to be serious

:47:51.:47:52.

about the fact these people are a serious danger to us

:47:53.:47:56.

and unfortunately the only way of dealing with them,

:47:57.:47:58.

in almost every case, Or should Brits who join

:47:59.:48:00.

through "naiveity" be allowed Thank you for taking the time to

:48:01.:48:33.

speak to us. What do you make of the comments in light of what your

:48:34.:48:38.

family has been through? They are very uneducated, dangerous, blanket

:48:39.:48:42.

generalised statements, by putting out statementsches that level of

:48:43.:48:47.

violence, and generalising it over everybody who has joined these

:48:48.:48:50.

organisations without the individualty of each case you are

:48:51.:48:56.

creating hypocrisy in wondering who is the more evil of the two groups

:48:57.:49:05.

Government or these extreme mist groups by stating just kill them

:49:06.:49:11.

all. Colonel Bob Stewart speak to Christian. Did you know your son was

:49:12.:49:15.

going out to the Middle East, if you did, did you try and stop him? I had

:49:16.:49:20.

no idea he was going out to the Middle East. This was 2012 and my

:49:21.:49:25.

Government decided it was not up to me to try to stop him, so didn't

:49:26.:49:30.

inform me of the information they had all this time.

:49:31.:49:37.

Was he fighting against the, against us, when he was killed? When he went

:49:38.:49:45.

over he went over with Al-Nusra and changed over to IS. He was fighting

:49:46.:49:48.

against Bashar al-Assad for what he thought was the right thing to do

:49:49.:49:52.

because of the torture, on the women and children, that nobody else was

:49:53.:49:55.

doing anything about. In his mind, that is the reason he went. It

:49:56.:50:01.

wasn't about brutality, or killing everybody, or anything else and

:50:02.:50:04.

there are a lot of youth over there, children, women, that are there for

:50:05.:50:08.

different reasons, that aren't necessarily there to kill everybody

:50:09.:50:11.

in sight just because that is what they must do. Did he communicate

:50:12.:50:16.

back to you and tell you this? Absolutely. We communicated on a

:50:17.:50:22.

regular basis on the telephone, right up until he changed over the

:50:23.:50:26.

IS and communications became strained. So he realised yeast was

:50:27.:50:31.

an enemy of this country -- IS was an enemy of this country. He didn't

:50:32.:50:37.

say that. Not once did he say they were an enemy, nor am I defending

:50:38.:50:41.

their action, I am not defending anybody's actions when it comes to

:50:42.:50:47.

violence, I am saying to make a broad statement, uneducated and

:50:48.:50:50.

creating more danger at those youth that are sitting on the fence,

:50:51.:50:55.

without reaching out, by creating an environment of hostility on both

:50:56.:50:59.

sides, makes it very difficult for the youth to decide who is right and

:51:00.:51:02.

who is wrong. Unfortunately they have got off the fence, they have

:51:03.:51:06.

gone and they are fighting and they are killing people, by their

:51:07.:51:10.

actions, this is, this is a real problem. Our problem is if we allow

:51:11.:51:15.

such people back, can we trust them? I mean, I have actually been on the

:51:16.:51:20.

ground on operations and seen this, they change. I agree. There is a lot

:51:21.:51:25.

of things there, but we let them go, we let this happen. Our community,

:51:26.:51:30.

we are failing our communities the and our youth. Until we start make

:51:31.:51:35.

changes ourselves and the way we start integrating programmes for

:51:36.:51:39.

youth and giving them a voice where they can be heard and stop dealing

:51:40.:51:47.

with hypocrisy s how can they make informed decisions properly,

:51:48.:51:50.

especially when representatives of our Government are making uneducated

:51:51.:51:54.

statements themselves and general hiding is proving their point. You

:51:55.:51:59.

are aiding these extremists in their arguments by saying these

:52:00.:52:02.

statements. I am not saying anything is right or wrong in this case, in

:52:03.:52:10.

the... Forgive me for jumping in, tell me, if your son hadn't been

:52:11.:52:15.

killed, fighting for Islamic State and he decided he wanted to return

:52:16.:52:23.

home, do you feel he would have been safe to return home, or do you feel

:52:24.:52:26.

he would have posed a threat to society? Very difficult to say. I

:52:27.:52:30.

mean unless you sit down with each individual as to where they are at

:52:31.:52:34.

in their own ideological process, we have heard of many youth that get

:52:35.:52:38.

over there, that realise it is not what they expected. They want to

:52:39.:52:43.

escape but they are not allowed to, there are so many other conditions

:52:44.:52:46.

we don't necessarily understand for each case, I would expect him to go

:52:47.:52:51.

straight into prison, absolutely, without a doubt. There would need to

:52:52.:52:54.

be some assessments and everything else, in this case, we also have to

:52:55.:52:58.

look at women and children that are there, that were brought

:52:59.:53:01.

unwillingly, that were forced, some of the young children at this point

:53:02.:53:05.

have been indoctrinated but that mean we don't give them a chance

:53:06.:53:10.

again? They are ten, 11 years old, do we create that blanket statement

:53:11.:53:13.

for them as well? They could be dangerous too. Unless we reach out

:53:14.:53:17.

and try to help them, how can we know? Colonel Bob Stewart respond to

:53:18.:53:26.

that point. The problem is, I have seen evidence, personally, in

:53:27.:53:30.

Africa, for example, in northern Uganda of children that have been

:53:31.:53:35.

taken by the Lords Liberation Army, brainwashed and they come back

:53:36.:53:39.

saying all the well, they go back to their families and they turn guns on

:53:40.:53:44.

them. I just, I am sorry but we have got to be extremely careful. When

:53:45.:53:48.

someone deliberately goes against his background here, or her

:53:49.:53:51.

background here, and says you know, this is awful I'm going to a much

:53:52.:53:55.

better place, they go to the much better place and they pick up arms

:53:56.:54:00.

against us, I am afraid we ought to look at this and say frankly I don't

:54:01.:54:04.

trust this person, and I'm not sure I want them back in my society.

:54:05.:54:09.

I agree we have to be cautious, without a doubt we have to be

:54:10.:54:12.

cautious, it is not like we are just going to let them in and say live

:54:13.:54:16.

your life pick up where you left off. Hopefully we are intelligent

:54:17.:54:20.

enough to sit with them and determine, are we saying we don't

:54:21.:54:24.

have that level of intelligence and education to deal with the problem

:54:25.:54:30.

appropriately? I just... We have a problem. How many people did your

:54:31.:54:36.

son kill. Do you know how many people your son killed? I have no

:54:37.:54:41.

idea. Honestly. There we are. I couldn't begin to tell you. I am

:54:42.:54:45.

extremely cautious about allowing people back in to our society, who

:54:46.:54:50.

have rejected us absolutely, and frankly, we have got good evidence

:54:51.:54:54.

of them going against and killing women and children, in our own

:54:55.:54:58.

country, so why the heck should we take such a risk? I agree we should

:54:59.:55:04.

be cautious but again that blanket statement, by stating we are going

:55:05.:55:08.

to fight violence with violence and killing is OK, how can you turn

:55:09.:55:13.

round to say to the extremist, the killing is not OK. It doesn't matter

:55:14.:55:17.

we are a member of a government or community, it doesn't make it easy

:55:18.:55:20.

for youth to distinguish right from wrong when we are making the same

:55:21.:55:25.

statements but saying it is OK for us to do it but not them. What I am

:55:26.:55:29.

saying here is that we have to be very cautious about a rhetoric, we

:55:30.:55:33.

have to be cautious about what we are putting throughout in the

:55:34.:55:37.

public, and how it is being viewed and seen. By making those types of

:55:38.:55:42.

statement it is very dangerous and push those youth that are still at

:55:43.:55:46.

home, sitting down not sure about what direction what path they are

:55:47.:55:52.

taking, can be a motivational push to take the choice of that extremist

:55:53.:55:58.

view. That is what these types of statements, uneducated statements,

:55:59.:56:01.

dangerous statements. They are not uneducated. Can I ask you Colonel

:56:02.:56:06.

Bob Stewart if there are naive vulnerable young people who went

:56:07.:56:13.

over to join so-called Islamist sla, why can't they come hope and be put

:56:14.:56:19.

in prison Why is the British Government is suggesting a country

:56:20.:56:23.

where we don't have the death penalty it is OK to fight them. I

:56:24.:56:27.

think Rory was referring to people that are still fighting, that is the

:56:28.:56:31.

way I would interpret that, if you are still fighting, you are actually

:56:32.:56:37.

in a combat situation. I don't think that we were actual, he was

:56:38.:56:40.

referring to people that got out. We have to deal with them in a

:56:41.:56:44.

civilised way. We don't have the death penalty. They shouldn't be

:56:45.:56:48.

shot on sight, of course not. But we should deal with people that get

:56:49.:56:54.

back to this country and please stay there, but if they get back to this

:56:55.:56:58.

country, we have to deal with them in accordance with our laws and as

:56:59.:57:02.

humanly as possible. I don't like them coming back, I prefer them to

:57:03.:57:07.

stay because I don't trust them. There are a lot of people in society

:57:08.:57:11.

we don't trust, there are a lot of... Not necessarily just in the

:57:12.:57:18.

extremist ideological view, we see that on a daily basis we can't start

:57:19.:57:22.

saying we don't trust everybody because that creates division. We

:57:23.:57:27.

don't trust people that have gone to fight for IS. We don't trust... Not

:57:28.:57:34.

making these choice, we need to start supporting people that have

:57:35.:57:37.

mental health issue, we need to provide that which we are no longer

:57:38.:57:41.

doing and that... You are broadening out the subject. I am sad your boy

:57:42.:57:46.

has been killed. I am very sad about that. I wish he hasn't been. He was

:57:47.:57:50.

fighting for IS and they are an enemy of this country. I accept

:57:51.:57:53.

that, he put himself in the position. Thank you both for joining

:57:54.:57:59.

us. A Scottish man who was sentenced to

:58:00.:58:02.

three months in jail for touching man's hip in a Dubai bar has had the

:58:03.:58:09.

case against him dropped. 27-year-old Jamie harrow was charged

:58:10.:58:13.

with public indecency so we are getting that information reaching us

:58:14.:58:15.

from Dubai, on the programme tomorrow we are looking at how drugs

:58:16.:58:19.

gangs are targeting vulnerable people in market towns to work as

:58:20.:58:22.

drug runners for them. Thanks for your company today.

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