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Hello, it's Monday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley | :00:09. | :00:10. | |
in for Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme. | :00:11. | :00:13. | |
Our top story today - from today drivers of older, | :00:14. | :00:15. | |
more polluting vehicles will have to pay almost twice as much | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
We can either take action to clean up fears that your children have | :00:19. | :00:31. | |
underdeveloped and your adults suffer strokes and asthma, we do | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
nothing which will make things worse. | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
Critics say it will "disproportionately penalise | :00:37. | :00:37. | |
London's poorest drivers" but those in favour say it's the only way to | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
Your thoughts very welcome as always. | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
Also on the programme, we've discovered that 95% of TV ads | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
during live UK football matches feature at least one | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
gambling advert, with some games being dominated by betting ads. | :00:50. | :00:58. | |
The figures are hugely negative for many people my age group. It is | :00:59. | :01:05. | |
almost seen as the thing to do. That have to put a bet on to kind of get | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
something out of football. So is there any link | :01:09. | :01:09. | |
between these ads Plus, a government minister says | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
the "only way" to deal with British IS fighters | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
in Syria is "in almost every case" to kill them. | :01:17. | :01:18. | |
Is he right? In around half an hour's time | :01:19. | :01:53. | |
the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson is going to make a speech | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
about North Korea. He's expected to say diplomacy | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
and dialogue are the way forward. Do get in touch on all the stories | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
we're talking about this morning. if you text, you will be charged | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
at the standard network rate. From today, owners of | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
older, dirtier vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10 | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
to drive in central London. The scheme, known as the T-charge, | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
is designed to reduce air pollution and has been described | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
as the toughest emmission standard The move has been welcomed | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
by some health charities and environmental groups, | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
although some say it The T-charge will be charged on top | :02:26. | :02:45. | |
of the congestion charge up was introduced here a few years ago. The | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
idea is to reduce pollution in the city. The London mea Sadiq Khan has | :02:51. | :02:59. | |
improving air quality as 30, particularly for children who have | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
been hit hard by the pollution in the city at the moment. In terms of | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
how it works, this is a ?10 daily charge, so to find if your vehicle | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
was one has to pay this charge, you can go to the Transport for London | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
website and get the details. The rough rules around this is because | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
vehicles registered before 2006, so it is the older, more polluting | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
vehicles that will have to pay this ?10 daily charge. That charges for | :03:28. | :03:34. | |
weekdays between 7am and 6pm and it is expected to impact something like | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
34,000 cars. If you do not pay the charge, if you come into the area | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
and do not pay it, you could be hit with a penalty charge notice of | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
?130. This ?10 charge is important to pay if you have a vehicle that is | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
not meeting these new emission standards. Lots of business people | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
wonder what it is going to mean for them. I was talking to the | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
Federation of Small Businesses who say lots of companies will not be | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
aware of this new charging system coming in so they are wondering | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
whether they are vehicles are in the right spec for this, whether they | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
will have to pay this charge and how much it will mean in total. | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
Rebecca is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
The UK's biggest business lobby groups - including the Insitute | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
of Directors and CBI - are calling for an urgent Brexit | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
transition deal to safeguard jobs and investment. | :04:27. | :04:28. | |
In a joint letter due to be sent to the Brexit Secretary, | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
David Davis, in the coming days, the groups warn | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
A government spokesman says the talks | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
"are making real, tangible progress". | :04:41. | :04:42. | |
Our political correspondent Alex Forsyth is at Westminster. | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
Tell us more about what is in this letter, Alex. This comes from five | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
influential business groups. They are effectively saying that | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
uncertainty over Brexit can have damaging consequences for investment | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
and trade. They want a commitment to the two-year transition period after | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
the Brittney Reese the EU effectively on the same terms as | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
now, and that is what the government is aiming for but the other 27 EU | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
leaders were not committed until things like the financial settlement | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
are dealt with, which is proving tricky. Businesses are urging the | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
Prime Minister to get on with this but to some degree she's at the | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
mercy of the other EU 27 before they can start talking about trade. They | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
have agreed to talk about it internally but those formal | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
negotiations have yet to start. The Prime Minister will be updating MPs | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
later on the current negotiations on Brexit. Do we know what she is | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
likely say? You can imagine she will give a fairly upbeat assessment of | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
what has happened but the backdrop to this, recent report from a German | :05:50. | :05:57. | |
newspaper about a dinner between the Prime Minister, Jean-Claude Juncker, | :05:58. | :05:58. | |
and the EU chief negotiator, Michel Barnier. Allegedly leaked report of | :05:59. | :06:05. | |
that said that Jean-Claude Juncker thought that Theresa May looked | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
tired and anxious throughout and that she was asking EU leaders for | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
help because of the domestic political pressure she faces at home | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
with all of the differing views on Brexit. This morning, the senior | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
aide to Jean Todt Junker has denied leaking that the Pope and denied | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
that he ever said it. He says that this is trying to undermine the EU | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
side and damage negotiations. This programme has learnt | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
that the government is considering during football matches. | :06:35. | :06:36. | |
on gambling adverts on TV One in five of the commercials | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
broadcast across 25 matches rising to more than one | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
in three in some games. A report on the subject is expected | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
as early as next week. And Chloe will have much more | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
on this story shortly. A government minister has said has | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
said British extremists who've gone to fight with the Islamic State | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
group in Syria will have to be be killed, "in almost every case", | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
because of the threat for International Development, | :07:06. | :07:07. | |
at Foreign Office and the Department said there were difficult | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
moral issues involved. He's told the BBC that British | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
recruits to IS had "essentially moved away from any kind | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
of allegiance" towards the UK. Patients are being encouraged to go | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
home and rest in order to recover from some illnesses, | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
rather than be prescribed The advice is part of a campaign | :07:31. | :07:31. | |
by Public Health England aimed at limiting the spread | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
of drug-resistant super-bugs. Our health correspondent, | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
James Gallagher reports. Bacteria, like these E-coli, | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
are getting harder to treat as they evolve ways | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
to resist antibiotics. This is where the most serious | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
infections come for analysis and the staff at these | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
Public Health England laboratories admit they're worried about growing | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
levels of antibiotic resistance. My lab looks for resistance | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
to the most powerful If go back to 2005 to 2007, | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
we were seeing these bacteria Last year we confirmed | :08:09. | :08:19. | |
these resistant bacteria Drug resistant infections | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
are a growing problem. 5,000 people were killed by such | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
infections last year. If you take E-coli in the blood | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
stream, now four in ten cases can't be treated | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
with the most common antibiotics. # Antibiotics, we're | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
wonderful pills... Using too many antibiotics | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
increases drug resistance. This TV campaign is being launched | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
to tell people they'll not be given The majority of us will get | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
infections from time to time and we will recover | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
because of our own immunity. The fact is if you take | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
an antibiotic when you don't need it then you are more likely | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
to have an infection that the antibiotics then don't work | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
for over the coming months. Health officials say | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
we all have a part to play in preventing the rise | :09:11. | :09:17. | |
of antibiotic resistance. From today, hospitals in England | :09:18. | :09:25. | |
will be required to charge up-front fees to foreign patients | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
who receive non-emergency care. The move is part of attempts | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
by the Government to crack down But the British Medical Association | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
has warned of the risk of confusion and an extra administrative | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
burden for trusts. Police in Warwickshire | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
are questioning a man arrested over the four-hour hostage | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
situation at a bowling alley Armed officers stormed | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
the building in Bermuda Park, where two people were allegedly | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
held at gunpoint. No-one was injured and | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
police say the incident A group of MPs has today launched | :09:57. | :09:58. | |
an inquiry into so called "pop-up" brothels - | :09:59. | :10:15. | |
that's where one or more sex workers set up in residential or holiday | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
premises for a short period. It follows a huge increase | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
in their prevalence, and accusations that they are a hotbed for criminal | :10:21. | :10:22. | |
and human trafficking. Sex work campaigners said women have | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
had to resort to this after a number of well-established brothels | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
were raided and subsequently closed, A British diver, who was stalked | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
by a giant tiger shark off the coast of western Australia, | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
has said he's lucky to be alive. John Craig, from Sunderland, | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
became separated from his boat and was forced to swim several miles | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
to shore as it pursued him. I just kept my head in the water, | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
watched what the big tiger shark was doing, | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
and it kept coming back towards me, it would circle me, | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
and kind of dart in. I just had to use my spear gun | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
to try and fend it off, and try and keep it as a safe | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
distance, and then I knew the boat wasn't coming back, so my only | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
option was to swim to shore. I knew it was, you know, | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
seven-and-a-half kilometres to get to the beach, | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
and that's an awful long swim Doctor Who's first female | :11:17. | :11:18. | |
Time Lord will be joined Jodie Whittaker, who takes over | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
as the thirteenth Doctor next year, will be joined by new cast regulars | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
Bradley Walsh, Bradley Walsh has said he's looking | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
forward to being part of the show some 50 years after first | :11:35. | :11:41. | |
becoming a fan. A video has emerged | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
of the French President's dog making his presence known | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
at the Elysee Palace. Emmanuel Macron was talking | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
with three junior members of his government, | :11:54. | :11:55. | |
when the Labrador-griffin cross, called Nemo, began urinating on one | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
of the esteemed fireplaces. The incident was captured | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
by a French TV station. Nemo also appeared in Mr Macron's | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
entourage back in August - continuing a tradition | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
of French Presidents That's a summary of the latest BBC | :12:13. | :12:13. | |
News - more at 9.30am. I think that eats my cat bringing in | :12:14. | :12:23. | |
a dead squirrel the other day! We fight this message on gambling | :12:24. | :12:42. | |
from Norma. I'm surprised that it is allowed during the day. They are | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
only allowed during live sport. We will be getting into that issue | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
throughout the morning. You can get in touch throughout the programme | :12:52. | :12:59. | |
using the hash tag #victorialive. Text will be charge that the | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
standard network rate. Let's get some sport now. Let's talk about | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
Lewis Hamilton. Touching distance now that Formula 1 drivers | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
championship. Yes, exactly. Incredible when you consider the | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
poor start that he had to the season. But he is edging closer to | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
that fourth world title. A really impressive win at the US Grand Prix | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
at the weekend. He had to fight for it. He was overtaken at the start of | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
the race by his title rival Sebastian Vettel. Hamilton, not to | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
be outdone, overtook again on lap six and from there, never looked | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
back. Big celebrations from him. Quite a few people in the crowd, | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
including a certain you saying belt, two of the fastest men in their | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
respective sports, there, celebrating. Let's hear from Lewis | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
Hamilton now. It has been an incredible year, so far. I enjoyed | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
that in the car. I did not expect to have the pace that we had on | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
Sebastian this year, today, but the car felt fantastic, we had the right | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
balance at the start. Three more to go, three more to win. Let's show | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
why he's in such a dominant position. These stats are very | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
telling. Not only has he had more wins and more podium places but he's | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
been in more positions that are awarded points than Sebastian Vettel | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
and four Sebastian Vettel in the red, he had two retirements, and you | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
wonder how costly those will have been for him, early in the year. | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
Hamilton needs just a top five finish in Mexico next weekend for a | :14:35. | :14:41. | |
fourth world title, Chloe. Let's talk about the Premier League. A | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
great day for the North London sides, not so great for Merseyside | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
sites. Pretty much advantage London after a massively heavy defeat for | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
Everton and Liverpool. Everton boss Ronald Kuhlman was under pressure | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
already before even going into this match. After a 5-2 loss, you could | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
see at full-time, the fans, board members, Ronald Coman himself | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
looking utterly deflated. No wins in five matches for them, meaning they | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
drop into the bottom three. He gave a very honest assessment after the | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
game. He said that it is not good enough and that the club expects | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
better. And for Liverpool, another heavy defeat. They went down 4-1 to | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
Spurs. A good day for Tottenham and their star man, Harry Kane, grabbing | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
two goes in front of 80,000 fans at Wembley. Liverpool's defensive | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
problems have been an issue all season and were therefore see. The | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
Reds boss Jurgen Klopp was very critical of his players and said he | :15:47. | :15:48. | |
could have done a better job himself. We will hear from both of | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
those managers when I returned with the rest of the sport at ten | :15:52. | :15:53. | |
o'clock. 95% of TV ads during live UK | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
football matches feature at least one gambling advert, | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
this programme has found. One in five of the commercials | :16:01. | :16:01. | |
broadcast across 25 matches were for betting firms, | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
rising to more than one The government's considering | :16:05. | :16:06. | |
whether new restrictions are needed, with a report expected as early | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
as this week. What is you found out? Thfr is | :16:11. | :16:24. | |
manager the Government has been looking into for a while. As far as | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
those adverts are concerned there is a rule they won't be shown before | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
9pm, before the watershed in the evening but there is an exception, | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
that is for live sporting events, almost every football match shown in | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
this country is going to be before 9pm. In other countries Australia | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
for example they have banned this, they have said it is not allowed the | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
live event, the question for the Government is should they follow | :16:51. | :16:52. | |
suit and do the same thing? Let's think fast and | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
act faster in play. You can watch it and you can | :16:58. | :16:58. | |
get involved in it. The betting industry and the way it | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
sells itself has changed radically New research for this programme has | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
found adverts like these now Making up one in every three | :17:06. | :17:12. | |
show means some games. There is growing pressure | :17:13. | :17:19. | |
on the government to follow other I think almost betting has | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
become part of the social Whether online or in store, | :17:24. | :17:38. | |
it's almost a normal thing to do. When he was a teenager | :17:39. | :17:47. | |
he started gambling At one point he was spending | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
a couple of hundred pounds a week. Any spare money that I had | :17:52. | :17:58. | |
was spent on gambling. Two weeks you would be | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
losing, but you would hope The number of problem gamblers has | :18:02. | :18:03. | |
remained fairly stable over the last few years, | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
with around two million The latest stats though show | :18:10. | :18:11. | |
if you're under 35 years old, you're far more likely | :18:12. | :18:14. | |
to get in trouble. It has swamped the whole | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
Premier League. It's trying to get these bets placed | :18:21. | :18:28. | |
as quickly as possible. I think for many people of my age | :18:29. | :18:30. | |
group, it is almost seen That you have to put | :18:31. | :18:38. | |
a bet on to kind of get Ten years ago, the Labour Government | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
let bookies advertise There was and still is | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
an agreement not to show ads There is an exception though, | :18:47. | :18:55. | |
in live sporting events This is all about targeting | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
the new generations. The generations that don't go | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
into the old-fashioned bookies, who wouldn't know | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
what one is really. We looked at 25 games shown on TV | :19:07. | :19:17. | |
this season from the build up That's total of 1,324 commercials | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
and sponsorship indents. Of those 272 were for betting ads, | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
that's one in every five. For some games sponsored by betting | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
firms, the rate was even higher, take a recent Everton match, | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
40% of the adverts Or Scotland's match in Slovakia | :19:33. | :19:34. | |
again, 37% of the commercials It's definitely about brand | :19:35. | :19:44. | |
building and getting as many customers as possible, | :19:45. | :19:53. | |
but the main thing is getting people to bet now and this is all about, | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
here's a chance, bet on it now. Last year gambling firms spent | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
?150 million on TV ads, that's up sharply over | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
the last four years. A single advert for premiership | :20:06. | :20:07. | |
football is thought The concern from campaigners | :20:08. | :20:08. | |
is that this makes betting seem too normal especially amongst the next | :20:09. | :20:21. | |
generation of potential customers. These 17-year-olds are training | :20:22. | :20:23. | |
on a cold night in South London. We asked them what gambling brands | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
they associate with the game. I would say like about five years | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
ago, there weren't really much. I think now there seems | :20:30. | :20:46. | |
to be quite a lot more. There is a game next week | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
and adverts would be on like for betting | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
president week before. That's the whole point to urge | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
you, to make you feel If you were going to name one | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
of type of advertiser associated with football, | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
would it be cars, alcohol, gambling? Which is the one that | :21:11. | :21:12. | |
first comes to mind? It's always gambling | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
because you just have it around and it just | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
catches your eye, yeah. The Government is now under | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
pressure to do more on this. At a recent debate in the House | :21:25. | :21:26. | |
of Lords, former Spurs chairman They have recently started to add | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
at the end of the advert, Well, My Lords these couple | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
of words are pathetic. It is my personal belief | :21:36. | :21:44. | |
that it is these adverts that are the major culprits who induce | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
young people to gamble. Frankly, these adverts are too | :21:49. | :21:51. | |
clever, and too luring. Other countries have | :21:52. | :21:59. | |
been taking action. Earlier this year Australia banned | :22:00. | :22:00. | |
all gambling ads in live sport before the watershed and in Europe, | :22:01. | :22:03. | |
Belgium has just The betting industry says | :22:04. | :22:05. | |
there is no evidence that more adverts leads | :22:06. | :22:13. | |
to more problem gambling. Is there a danger that this has just | :22:14. | :22:15. | |
gone a bit too far now? You look at the number of adverts, | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
this wasn't the case Yes, it is a subjective | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
decision, isn't it? There is an interesting question | :22:22. | :22:29. | |
there about whether the current Are they causing harm | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
or is it subjective? People don't like them | :22:34. | :22:41. | |
and there is even people in the gambling industry | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
to feel that way. We have a major review | :22:44. | :22:45. | |
under way at the moment, It's a great opportunity to look | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
at all these issues. Are you comfortable with under-18s | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
seeing lots of these adverts? Not comfortable with it, | :22:53. | :22:54. | |
you by I it's inevitable and you can't look at these | :22:55. | :22:56. | |
adverts in isolation. Gambling is all around us in this | :22:57. | :22:58. | |
society and has been That's what critics say thought that | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
all the adverts normalise gambling. They will make under-18s think | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
it is just part of sport? I think that debate | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
is probably passed. The reality is gambling | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
is normalised and if you look at why, it was probably | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
the introduction of It changed the whole world in terms | :23:14. | :23:15. | |
of gambling you cans the perception and when you look at underage | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
gambling thankfully It's back to business | :23:20. | :23:21. | |
in the Premier League. The thing is, a TV advertising ban | :23:22. | :23:30. | |
can only do so much. Take the BBC's own programme, | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
Match Of The Day. No commercials maybe, but a study | :23:34. | :23:35. | |
by Goldsmith's University found over 250 separate gambling adverts | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
on screen - mostly It's Burnley nil, | :23:39. | :23:40. | |
West Ham United one. And if the Government does clamp | :23:41. | :23:53. | |
down on TV commercials, some think more spending could just | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
switch to the internet Matt is now getting help | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
for his problem and has excluded himself from most | :23:59. | :24:05. | |
of the sites and apps. Like other people we've spoken to, | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
he thinks a blanket ban He'd just like to see | :24:08. | :24:09. | |
fewer of them on screen. I personally think the most sensible | :24:10. | :24:17. | |
is to limit the amount I think to stop it completely | :24:18. | :24:19. | |
is probably irrational, This is all likely to come | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
to a head this autumn. A major government review | :24:23. | :24:34. | |
of the gambling sector is expected soon and greater restrictions | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
on advertising are Jim, what do we think | :24:38. | :24:39. | |
the Government is planning to do? It has been a long time coming this | :24:40. | :24:56. | |
review. We expect it as possibly as later this week. A spokesman for the | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
Department of Culture, Media and Sport which is in charge, said we | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
have been clear that we expect the gambling sector to protect players | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
an help them stay in control of their gambling, but there is clearly | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
more work that is needed in this area. Now that sound strong to me, | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
like there is some sort of change coming. When you speak to people in | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
the tri, they sort of accept they will be more regulations on adverts, | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
the question is how far will the Government go? Will it copy what has | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
been done in Australia? There is likely to be consultation before any | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
final decision is made. It comes down to how much damage these | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
adverts are doing? It does, what the industry says there is no evidence | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
that these ads are leading to increased levels of problem | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
gambling, part of the issue is the figure, so the latest statistics we | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
on this from the Gambling Commission, they were published back | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
in August, showing relatively stable level of problem gambling in this | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
country, the thing is they are using figures from back in 2015, that is | :26:01. | :26:03. | |
how they calculated it. This industry is moving so quickly, with | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
technological change, more betting on the phone and adverts have change | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
a lot. A lot of people are saying how relevant are these statistics? | :26:14. | :26:16. | |
It can cause some people real problem, wanted to leave you with an | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
e-mail we got from a viewer a couple of weeks ago, it is one reason we | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
decided to make the film. We won't use his name. He said I discovered | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
my son's gambling problem in sixth form. He has taken my debit card and | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
used it to place bets on matches. They are absolutely polluted with | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
gambling adverts, aimed at vulnerable young people. My son, his | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
son, did win a couple of times but ultimately lost it all. Hopefully | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
the Government will wake up and realise the football world needs to | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
clean its act up and distance itself from gambling. Thank you. I know | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
some comments are coming in, the internet is failing me. I will read | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
them when they come in. We can take to Jo Steven, a member of the | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
digital culture, media an sport committee. Labour want to see a ban | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
on gambling firms from advertising on football shirt, so first of all, | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
if you watch any football match, any live football match, there so many | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
gambling advert, is your view is that it there are too many It has | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
reached saturation level. I watch a lot of football, I can't think of | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
any other advertisers that target live football game in the the way | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
the betting industry does. I do think it has got to a point where is | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
so much of it, I welcome the fact that the Government are going to | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
publish their review and I hope there stringent measureness o there. | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
My internet has worked. James says betting adverts are prevalent with | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
golf coverage too, two out of three are gambling adverts and row can | :27:50. | :27:52. | |
have five ad breaks in an hour. Alcohol is shown in adverts | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
throughout the day, alcohol is just or more dangerous than gambling so | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
why is it we are focussing on gambling, is that fair? You would | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
make a point about alcohol, about gambling, tobacco as well, but what | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
we have seen is that there is a growth in problem gamblers over the | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
last few years so there are nearly 500,000 problem gambler bler in the | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
country. Two million who gamble regularly who are at risk, and it is | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
the money that is being spent on advertising is growing massively | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
year on year, the betting industry wouldn't be putting that money into | :28:28. | :28:30. | |
advertising if they didn't think it was going to increase their revenue. | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
It is worth remembering of course, it was the Labour Government under | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
Tony Blair that liberalised the gambling laws around between years | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
ago, do you think it was thought through enough? I think that the | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
consequences may be weren't, but we would like to see, we are very clear | :28:46. | :28:54. | |
we would like to see a ban on betting company sponsorship in live | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
coverage and on shirts. It is the shirt sponsorship, it is the | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
hoardings round the ground, how many kids are watching live football? You | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
know, there are millions of people watching live football, every week, | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
and this saturation of the adverts and the hoardings and seeing the | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
logos, it is happening every single week. As we saw in that report, | :29:17. | :29:24. | |
everyone on Match of the Day we see so many references inadvertently to | :29:25. | :29:27. | |
betting company, do you think Labour got it wrong? Ten years ago when | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
Tony Blair said let us liberalise the gambling law, you said you | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
didn't foe foresee it? You can argue we did get it wronging but we would | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
like to have the opportunity to put it right if we get back in | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
Government. This is a wide measure of agreement cross-party agreement. | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
I am a member of the group on fixed odd betting terminals where we have | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
done research on those. Explain watching a what they are? These are | :29:57. | :30:03. | |
machines in betting shops, where you can bet up to ?100 every 20 second, | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
they are described as the crack cocaine of gambling. People who have | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
problems are spending more and more money and the social problems they | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
cause are well documented, not just to individuals, job loss, crime, | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
break down of families, and in the worst and most severe cases suicide, | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
so there are problems across the industry, this is why row have seen | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
other country like Australia and Belgian take radical steps to ban | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
sponsorship and so this review by the Government is long overdue and | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
the industry is moving very quickly, technology, you know, in 2007 we | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
didn't really know what technology would bring to the gambling industry | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
and to sponsorship and to advert, so now is the very good time for review | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
and it is long overdue. Lots more comments coming in, if you want to | :30:53. | :31:00. | |
get in industry is moving very quickly, "I | :31:01. | :31:00. | |
: up with watching live sports on Sky and seeing adverts all the time. | :31:01. | :31:08. | |
Sky makes money without having to rely on them." Sponsorship and to "I | :31:09. | :31:10. | |
: up with watching live sports on Sky and seeing adverts all the time. | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
Sky makes money without having to rely on them." Tony says "Thank grow | :31:15. | :31:17. | |
for covering the ghastly ads. Go for the companies that advertise on | :31:18. | :31:18. | |
football shirts and that his do "I : up with watching live sports on | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
Sky and seeing adverts all the time. Sky makes money without having to | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
rely on them." Tony says "Thank grow for covering the ghastly ads. Go for | :31:28. | :31:29. | |
the companies that advertise on football shirts and that his do not | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
support responsible gambling." "The gambling ads are a disgrace, I have | :31:33. | :31:34. | |
watched young men throw hundreds away. The ads before and during the | :31:35. | :31:36. | |
game bombard the network, encouraging outlandish gambling. I | :31:37. | :31:38. | |
have seen men in tears the at full-time." | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson's speech on global security - live. | :31:44. | :31:51. | |
He will be talking about the secretive state of North Korea. We | :31:52. | :31:57. | |
will bring you his speech. And the German newspaper has published an | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
account that Theresa May begged for help with Brexit during a dinner | :32:02. | :32:10. | |
with the European Commission president. We will bring you the | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
latest. Now get the latest headlines. From today, owners of | :32:15. | :32:21. | |
older, more polluting vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10 to drive | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
into Central London. The scheme known as the T-charge is designed to | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
reduce air pollution and has been described as the toughest emissions | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
standards of any major city award. The move has been welcomed by some | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
health charities and environmental groups. Some say that it does not go | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
far enough. The mirror of the capital has defended the policy. We | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
have children in London whose lungs are underdeveloped because of the | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
poor quality of the air. Adults suffering from a variety of | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
conditions from asthma through to dementia and strokes, link to the | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
poor quality air. So today's T-charge is the toughest vehicles | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
emissions charge an award for a reason. We need to get the most | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
polluting vehicles off the streets of London. The UK's biggest business | :33:09. | :33:15. | |
lobby groups including the Institute of Directors and the CBI are calling | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
for an urgent Brexit transition deal to safeguard jobs and investment. In | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
a joint letter due to be sent to the Brexit secretary David Davis in the | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
coming days, the groups warn that time is running out. A government | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
spokesman said that the talks are making real, tangible progress. The | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
Victoria Derbyshire programme has learned that the government is | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
considering whether new restrictions are needed on gambling adverts on TV | :33:40. | :33:45. | |
during football matches. One in five of the commercials broadcast across | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
25 matches were for betting companies, rising to more than one | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
in three on some games. A government report on the subject is expected as | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
early as next week. Patients are being encouraged to go home and rest | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
in order to recover from some illnesses rather than being | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
prescribed unnecessary and. It's part of a new campaign by Public | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
Health England. Health officials warn that the overuse of certain | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
medicines has made some infections harder to treat by creating | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
drug-resistant superbugs. Last year in England alone, more than 3000 | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
people died from such infections. That's the summary of the latest BBC | :34:27. | :34:34. | |
News. Let's get some sport now with Jessica. Good morning. Mercedes | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
driver Lewis Hamilton is on the brink of winning his fourth Formula | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
1 drivers championship. He won big US Grand Prix yesterday ahead of his | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
Ferrari rival. I am just handing back to you now, Chloe. We can go | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
straight to Central London where the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, is | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
talking about North Korea. This is an example of the kind of | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
infrastructure that you were just talking about. It is an | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
inspirational structure that was created many, many decades ago, over | :35:06. | :35:14. | |
100 years ago and has been beautifully upgraded and has stood | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
the test of time. And that is what I want to talk about this morning, | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
because all of you young, thrusting Chatham House types are looking far | :35:24. | :35:32. | |
too dynamic to remember the early 1980s are indeed the late 1970s. Do | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
you? I certainly do. I remember being chilled to the marrow, not | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
just by the newspaper graphics, the hundreds of nuclear missiles trained | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
in this country by the Warsaw Pact, and scarier still, the attempts by | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
the UK Government to reassure the population, the pamphlets and films | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
that told you such things as how to build a fallout shelter. You took | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
several doors off of their hinges and prop them up diagonally against | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
the wall, reinforced them with suitcases full of books and then you | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
were told to tune into Radio 4, whether contingency plans would play | :36:13. | :36:21. | |
endless reruns of Just A Minute. There was a time in British children | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
knew all about four-minute warnings and the perils of radiation sickness | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
and we all read a book called Where The Wind Blows by Raymond Briggs. | :36:31. | :36:40. | |
Remember that? I remember it, as a teenager, about the horror of those | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
weapons. For decades now, that threat has seemed to vanish. It went | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
with the end of the Cold War. We don't want it back. And that is why | :36:51. | :36:58. | |
people are watching with such interest, and the first stirrings of | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
apprehension, the events in the Karim peninsular. Kim Jong-hyun has | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
tested 19 Misano so far this year and has conducted four of the six | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
nuclear tests ever carried out by that country. It is now widely | :37:17. | :37:24. | |
accepted that Kim is coming closer to being able to launch a nuclear | :37:25. | :37:31. | |
armed ICBM over the continental United States. I should stress this | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
is not only prompted outrage in America but it is a prospect that | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
has been unanimously consent -- condemned by Russia, China, the EU, | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
to say nothing of the dismay of those quintessentially peaceable | :37:45. | :37:52. | |
countries, Japan and South Korea. It is this increased tempo of nuclear | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
testing, coupled with florid outbursts of verbal belligerence | :37:57. | :38:03. | |
that have reawakened, even in this country, those forgotten fears. The | :38:04. | :38:10. | |
public can be forgiven for genuinely starting to wonder whether the | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
nuclear sword of Damocles is once again held over the head of a | :38:15. | :38:21. | |
trembling human race. So now is perhaps a good moment in a calm and | :38:22. | :38:31. | |
dispassionate way, to take stock. Before we reissue that old pamphlet | :38:32. | :38:39. | |
called Protect And Survive, before we teach kids how to hide under | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
desks and lay on stocks of baked beans and spam, let's look at the | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
history of nuclear proliferation, how nuclear weapons have spread and | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
how we have collectively sought to contain their spread. Back then, as | :38:55. | :39:04. | |
now, most predictions were gloomy. And yet those gloomy predictions | :39:05. | :39:06. | |
have been utterly confounded by events. America was of course the | :39:07. | :39:17. | |
first to use the bomb in 1945. The Soviet Union detonated a device in | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
1949, the UK next in 1952, the French did their testing in the | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
Sahara and 1960. And at that point, the then American presidential | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
candidate John F. Kennedy predicted that, by 1964, within only four | :39:32. | :39:40. | |
years, there would be ten, 15 or 20 nations that would acquire nuclear | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
weapons. As things have turned out, it is now almost 60 years after he | :39:48. | :39:59. | |
issued his warning and, yes, the NPT has some notable non-signatories | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
including India and Pakistan and yet the number of nuclear armed | :40:03. | :40:04. | |
countries has yet to reach double figures. This is, on the face of it, | :40:05. | :40:15. | |
an absolutely astonishing statistic. And an extraordinary achievement. | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
When you consider that every previous military development, from | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
firearms to fighter jets has spread among humanity like impetigo, you | :40:23. | :40:31. | |
have to ask yourself why. Why has nuclear weapons been a great | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
exception? It can't just be the kit. They cannot be so complex that only | :40:37. | :40:39. | |
a handful of so-called advanced nations have the intellectual | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
wherewithal to make them. It is true that the process is laborious and | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
highly expensive, but the basic technology is more than 70 years old | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
and indeed has been taught in universities, if not schools, for | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
decades. Generations. The answer is partly that many countries wisely | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
decided, after the war, that they were going to take shelter under the | :41:04. | :41:11. | |
nuclear umbrella provided by the United States, nations in both | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
Europe and in Asia opted for this protection. A commitment that must | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
be rated one of the greatest contributions by America to the | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
unprecedented Epoque of peace and prosperity that we have all been | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
living through. I should observe that some European countries found | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
themselves under a rival umbrella provided by the Soviet Union, | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
although by that stage, they had no choice in the matter. It was that | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
American fall, that guarantee, that make possible global consensus | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
embodied by the 1970 nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. By this | :41:51. | :41:57. | |
Treaty, 191 nations came together to recognise the special role of the | :41:58. | :42:04. | |
five existing nuclear powers and also to insist that there should be | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
no further dispersal of such weapons. Nuclear technology would be | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
made available to other countries, provided it was used exclusively for | :42:15. | :42:22. | |
civilian purposes. That was a great diplomatic achievement. It was an | :42:23. | :42:29. | |
effort in which the UK, as one of the leading upholders of the | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
post-war rules -based international order, played a crucial role. The | :42:33. | :42:41. | |
British delegation was led by Alan Chalfant, now Lord Chalfont, the | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
Labour Minister, who was, and at the age of 100, almost 100, still is a | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
representative of the days when Labour was both hawkish and | :42:52. | :42:59. | |
commonsensical on nuclear deterrence. That diplomacy has | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
helped make the world safer, more secure, more confident and therefore | :43:06. | :43:12. | |
more prosperous. It has helped to avoid what might otherwise have been | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
a gathering rush to destruction in which the world was turned into a | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
great arena of Mexican stand-offs, a nuclear version of the final scene | :43:22. | :43:31. | |
of Reservoir Dogs. That far-sightedness is now needed more | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
than ever. Not only to keep the NPT, but also, one of its most valuable, | :43:37. | :43:44. | |
complementary accords, the nuclear deal with Iran. To grasp the | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
importance of the joint comprehensive plan of action, we | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
should remember that, just before it was signed in 2015, Iran had enough | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
centrifuges and low enriched uranium to be only months away from | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
producing the essential material for at least one nuclear weapon. Let's | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
remember what the consequences would have been for Iran and the walk, if | :44:12. | :44:22. | |
Teheran had gone down that road. Never mind the response of Israel or | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
indeed the United States to the back of nuclear weapons in the hip or the | :44:26. | :44:32. | |
Iranians, a regime that has been capable of bloodcurdling rhetoric | :44:33. | :44:35. | |
about the mere existence of the Zionist entity. A nuclear armed Iran | :44:36. | :44:45. | |
would have placed irresistible pressure on neighbouring countries | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
to up the anti and to trigger an arms race in what is already one of | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
the most volatile regions of the world. Imagine all those mutually | :44:52. | :45:01. | |
contaminating sectarian dynastic internee Sign conflicts in the | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
Middle East today. Then, turn the dial and add a nuclear arms race. | :45:07. | :45:15. | |
It is nightmare we can continue to avoid if we are sensible, and if we | :45:16. | :45:25. | |
show the same generosity and wisdom as the negotiators the of the NPT. | :45:26. | :45:33. | |
First and and most important, it is important to understand, vital to | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
understand, that President Trump has not withdrawn from the JCPOA. He has | :45:40. | :45:47. | |
not junked it. He has won'ted -- continued to waive nuclear sanctions | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
against Iran and having spoken to some of the most influential figures | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
onical tap -- Capitol Hill, none of them fans of the Iranian regime, I | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
have no doubt with determination, and with courage, the JCPOA can be | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
preserved. This is not just because the | :46:08. | :46:14. | |
essential deal is in the interests of western security, though it is. | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
But because it is profoundly in the interests of the Iranian people. | :46:19. | :46:25. | |
This is a great nation. Of 80 million people. Two thirds of whom | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
are under the age of 30. They are highly educated men and women, they | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
watch YouTube, they dance to music video, even if it is in the privacy | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
of their own home, they use and understand technology, they are | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
bursting with capitalist and entrepreneurial spirit. If we can | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
show them they are welcome in the great global market place of ideas | :46:55. | :47:02. | |
and innovation, in time, a very different relationship is possible | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
with the modern heirs of what is after all, one of the greatest of | :47:07. | :47:13. | |
all ancient civilisations, that is the possibility that the JCPOA holds | :47:14. | :47:20. | |
open. Not just averting a perilous and debilitating arms race, but | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
ending the long and largely self imposed exclusion of Iran from the | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
global mainstream that so many millions of Iranians yearn to join. | :47:30. | :47:37. | |
Of course, of course we share, we in the UK share with our American | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
friends and with many of our allies, in Europe and across the Middle | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
East, the concern, the legitimate concern over the disruptive | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
behaviour of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, in countries | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
hundreds of miles from their borders. It is simply provocative | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
and dangerous that Iran has supplied tens of thousands of rockets and | :48:00. | :48:06. | |
missiles to Hezbollah, weapons that are point at Israel but whose use | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
would bring the most destructive retaliation not on Iran, the | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
responsible party, but upon the people of Lebanon. | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
It is of no conceivable benefit to the tormented people of Yemen, that | :48:22. | :48:28. | |
Iran should be supplying missiles to the Houthi rebels who they use to | :48:29. | :48:35. | |
target Saudi Arabia. Behaviour which alalas can only strengthen the | :48:36. | :48:37. | |
consickions of those in the region who believe they have no choice but | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
to respond to Iran's actions. Frankly, it is astonishing, that the | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
Iranians, who rightly complain that the world looked the other way when | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
they suffered so tragically from the chemical weapons deployed by Saddam | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
Hussein in the 0s should even now by a betting and concealing the crimes | :49:03. | :49:10. | |
of Bashar al-Assad who has used the same methods against his own people. | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
So I think it is right that we should join with our American | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
friends and allies to counter this kind of behaviour, where ever | :49:21. | :49:26. | |
possible. But that does not mean for one minute that with should write | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
Iran off or we should refuse to engage with Iran, or we should show | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
disrespect to its people, on the contrary. We should continue to | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
work, to demonstrate to that population, in Iran, that they will | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
be better off, that they will be better off under this deal, and the | :49:48. | :49:54. | |
path of reengagement it prescribes, and that is the model of toughness, | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
but engagement. Each reinforcing the other. That we should have at the | :50:00. | :50:05. | |
front of our mind, as we try to resolve the tensions in the Korean | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
peninsula. I think it is right that Rex Tillerson has specifically | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
opened the door to dialogue. He has tried to give some sensible | :50:16. | :50:19. | |
reassurances to the regime, to enable them to take up this offer. | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
Offer. Remember the four noes that have been offered by the South | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
Korean President and reinforce bed I the US Secretary of State. No | :50:30. | :50:35. | |
seeking regime regime change, no seeks to force the collapse of North | :50:36. | :50:39. | |
Korea's regime, no seeking to deploy US forces beyond the 38th parallel, | :50:40. | :50:45. | |
no attempt to accelerate the reunification of Korea. | :50:46. | :50:53. | |
These are the commitments that we hope will encourage Kim Jong-un to | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
halt his nuclear weapons programme. To come to the negotiating table and | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
there to take the only path that can guarantee the security of the region | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
as a whole. You will often here it -- hear it said that in weighing up | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
those options Kim must bear in mind the woeful precedence of those whoa | :51:15. | :51:23. | |
disarmed. Of Libya, where the leader listens to the ambulance dishments | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
of the west and gave up his nuclear weapons programme over to be | :51:28. | :51:34. | |
overthrown with western connigh vans or Ukraine which surrendered its | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
nuclear Arsenal to suffer the forceable loss of territory in | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
Europe since 1945. 1945. It is therefore suggested that Kim would | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
be sealing his own fate if he were to comply. I reject those analogies. | :51:48. | :51:58. | |
What finished Gaddafi was an up rising of his own people, including | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
on the streets of Tripoli. Even if he had been able to perfect a nuke | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
Arsenal in time, and if it is true, that he had a justified reputation | :52:10. | :52:15. | |
for mercurial behaviour, it seems unlikely that he would have December | :52:16. | :52:22. | |
decided to nuke his own capical, -- capital, including himself. As | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
survival strategies go, that would have been eccentric even by his own | :52:27. | :52:32. | |
standards. As for Ukraine, the fundamental difference is that | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
no-one, not South Korea, nor any other neighbour has any designs on | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
the national territory of North Korea. And the crucial question Kim | :52:43. | :52:54. | |
Jong-un surely needs to ask himself is whether his current activities | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
are making Pyongyang any saver for himself and for his regime? No-one, | :53:00. | :53:04. | |
I am sure no-one in this room, certainly no-one in the UK and | :53:05. | :53:10. | |
indeed around the world wants any kind of military solution to this | :53:11. | :53:17. | |
problem. Known actively desire -- no-one actively desires that | :53:18. | :53:24. | |
outcome. But Kim -- Kim Jong-un and the world need to understand that | :53:25. | :53:33. | |
when the 45th President of the United States contemplates a regime | :53:34. | :53:41. | |
led by a man who not only threatens to reduce New York to ashes, but who | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
stands on the verge of acquiring the power to make good on his threat, I | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
am afraid that the US President, whoever he or she might be, will | :53:54. | :54:00. | |
have an absolute duty to prepare any option to keep safe not only the | :54:01. | :54:06. | |
American people, but all those who have sheltered under the American | :54:07. | :54:14. | |
nuclear umbrella. I hope Kim will also consider this. That if he is | :54:15. | :54:21. | |
objective is to intimidate the US, into wholesale withdrawal from east | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
Asia, it strikes me his current course might also be designed to | :54:27. | :54:35. | |
produce the opposite effect. Already President Moon of South Korea is | :54:36. | :54:45. | |
installing US-made missile defences. And in Japan and South Korea, it is | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
easy to imagine the growth of domestic pressure for those | :54:51. | :54:55. | |
Governments to take further steps to protect their own populations, from | :54:56. | :55:02. | |
a nuclear North Korea. In short, Pyongyang faces the same dilemma as | :55:03. | :55:09. | |
Tehran. By continuing to develop nuclear capabilities Kim risks | :55:10. | :55:13. | |
provoking a reaction in the region that it at one defensive and | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
competitive. That reduces not increases his security and reduces | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
the survival chances of the regime. And therefore, I hope that Kim will | :55:25. | :55:37. | |
see that it is no part of his family doctrine of national self-reliance, | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
no is it in the interests of his national security to end up with an | :55:43. | :55:47. | |
escalation of America's military presence in east Asia, let althrown | :55:48. | :55:54. | |
run the risks that could emperil his regime. Until he understands that I | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
am afraid we have no choice collectively but to step up the | :56:01. | :56:05. | |
pressure on Pyongyang. It is one of the most encouraging developments | :56:06. | :56:07. | |
this year that the UN Security Council, with the strong support of | :56:08. | :56:14. | |
the UK, has unanimously passed three resolutions to tighten the economic | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
ligature around the regime. When I joined a debate on North Korea in | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
the Security Council earlier this year, I was struck by the | :56:23. | :56:29. | |
unaccustomed absence of discord. For the first time, the Chinese have | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
agreed to impose strict limits on the export of oil to North Korea, | :56:34. | :56:43. | |
which until now was taboo. There has been an unmistakable change in | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
Chinese policy, that is warmly to be welcomed. In his speech to the 19th | :56:48. | :56:54. | |
party Congress President Xi hailed China's standing as a world power. I | :56:55. | :57:00. | |
would say there is no more urgent problem for China to address, nor | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
anywhere Beijing has greater influence than the threat to | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
international security represented by the behaviour of North Korea. | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
There is also unprecedented discussion between China and the US, | :57:15. | :57:21. | |
on how to handle this crisis, a thing I think bodes well for the | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
world. I should pay tribute to my colleague Rex Tillerson for his | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
efforts. Whatever we may think of the regime and its behaviour, the | :57:33. | :57:38. | |
ruling elite in North Korea is in the end composed of human beings. We | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
must find ways of getting through to them. And at the same time, not just | :57:44. | :57:50. | |
toughening the sanctions regime, but enforcing those already in place, | :57:51. | :57:55. | |
and, in this respect, again, the Chinese hold the key. This is the | :57:56. | :58:01. | |
moment for North Korea's regime to change course. And, if they do, the | :58:02. | :58:11. | |
world can show that it is once again capable of the diplomatic | :58:12. | :58:20. | |
imagination that produced the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
and after 12 years of continuous effort produced the JCPOA nuclear | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
deal with Iran. It won't be easy but the costs of failure could be | :58:30. | :58:38. | |
catastrophic. We cannot disinvent nuclear weapons or wish them away. | :58:39. | :58:44. | |
And the events in the Korean pins peninsula are the clearest possible | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
rejoinder to those such alas as Jeremy Corbyn in at least some of | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
his pronouncement although I accept on this matter he says different | :58:54. | :58:59. | |
things ass different times. To those who say we should unilaterally cast | :59:00. | :59:05. | |
aside our nuclear weapons. To wield a nuclear deterrent as this | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
country does is neither easy, nor cheap. Indeed it imposes a huge | :59:12. | :59:19. | |
responsibility on any country. We are one of the handful specifically | :59:20. | :59:25. | |
recognised by the MPT to possess such dreadful weapons and we do so | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
not just in the name of our own security but via Nato for the | :59:31. | :59:37. | |
protection of dozens of our allies. And by holding that stockpile, a | :59:38. | :59:42. | |
minimum stockpile I should say which has been reduced by half since its | :59:43. | :59:48. | |
Cold War peak we play or part in deterring the ambitions of rogue | :59:49. | :59:52. | |
states. It is 25 years since the end of the Cold War. And a new | :59:53. | :59:56. | |
generation has grown up with no memory of the threat of nuclear | :59:57. | :00:01. | |
winter and little education in the appalling logic of mutually assured | :00:02. | :00:13. | |
destruction. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, their destruction, the full horror | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
of what took place is now fading from living memory. | :00:18. | :00:25. | |
When people like Alan Chalfant drew up the NPT, those horrors were still | :00:26. | :00:32. | |
fresh in the hearts of the world. We must not be so forgetful or so | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
complacent as to require a new lesson in what these weapons can do, | :00:38. | :00:44. | |
or of the price of failing to limit their spread. The NPT is one of the | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
great diplomatic achievements of the last century. It has stood the test | :00:50. | :00:56. | |
of time. In its restraint and its maturity, it shows an unexpected | :00:57. | :01:03. | |
wisdom on the part of humanity, and almost evolutionary instinct for the | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
survival of our species. It is the job of our generation now to | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
preserve that agreement and British diplomacy will be at the forefront | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
of that endeavour. Thank you all very much indeed for your attention | :01:18. | :01:26. | |
this morning. Thank you so much. And that is the Foreign Secretary Boris | :01:27. | :01:28. | |
Johnson making a speech in Central London. He's been talking about | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
North Korea, saying that the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
right to keep an open dialogue. He says that there needs to be | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
toughness but engagement and they have to step up pressure on North | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
Korea. He also says Iran should continue to be engaged. Good | :01:44. | :01:52. | |
morning. It is ten o'clock. Some 95% of TV advert breaks | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
during live football feature at least one gambling ad and in some | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
cases as many as one in three The sports betting adverts | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
is absolutely huge. It's swamped the whole | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
Premier League. It's trying get these bets placed | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
as quickly as possible. So many of you getting in touch with | :02:09. | :02:16. | |
others on this this morning. We'll be talking to people | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
with experience of gambling Also, a government minister says | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
the "only way" to deal with British IS fighters in Syria is "in almost | :02:22. | :02:29. | |
every case" to kill them. Sir David Attenborough is back on | :02:30. | :02:43. | |
our screens this Sunday with another series of Blue Planet. He talks | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
about the threat to the oceans and says that climate change scepticism | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
must be in decline. I think any sceptics that there were ten or 20 | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
years ago about global warming, climate change, and there were lots, | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
must surely be diminishing almost vanishing point when you see the | :03:00. | :03:00. | |
evidence. Here's Rebecca in the BBC Newsroom | :03:01. | :03:10. | |
with a summary of today's news. From today, owners of older, | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
dirtier vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10 to drive | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
in central London. The scheme, known as the T-charge, | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
is designed to reduce air pollution and has been described | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
as the toughest emission standard and environmental groups, | :03:27. | :03:28. | |
by some health charities although some say it | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
doesn't go far enough. The mayor of the capital has | :03:34. | :03:42. | |
defended the policy. The UK's biggest business lobby | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
groups, including the Institute of Directors and the CBI, | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
are calling for an urgent Brexit transition deal to safeguard | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
jobs and investment. David Davis, in the coming days, | :03:51. | :03:52. | |
to the Brexit Secretary, the groups warn that | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
time is running out. A government spokesman says | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
the talks "are making real, | :04:02. | :04:02. | |
tangible progress". The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson | :04:03. | :04:16. | |
has backed those in the United States urging restraint on President | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
Trump over both Iran and North Korea. In a speech in Central | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
London, Mr Johnson said dialogue and diplomacy are needed to counter any | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
threat of nuclear war. However, he warned that the increased tempo of | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
nuclear testing by North Korea has reawakened forgotten fears. | :04:34. | :04:42. | |
The Victoria Derbyshire programme has learnt | :04:43. | :04:43. | |
that the government is considering whether new | :04:44. | :04:45. | |
restrictions are needed on gambling adverts on TV | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
were for betting firms, broadcast across 25 matches | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
rising to more than one in three in some games. | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
A government report on the subject is expected as early as next week. | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
from some illnesses, home and rest in order to recover | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
rather than be prescribed unnecessary antibiotics, | :05:05. | :05:05. | |
as part of a new campaign by Public Health England. | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
Health officials are warning the overuse of certain medicines | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
has made some infections harder to treat by creating | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
Last year, in England alone, more than 5,000 people died | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. Moore at 1030 the AM. Bruce, | :05:25. | :05:42. | |
Doctor Who, three new companions have been announced. But are they | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
new companions? As someone who spends a lot of time on Doctor Who | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
forums and websites... If they do not Ashley travelled with the doctor | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
on his adventures, do they count as a companion? B don't know how these | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
people are going to fit in. We have a familiar face, Bradley Walsh, | :06:03. | :06:11. | |
known for his comedy, presenting The Chase on ITV, and a versatile | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
talent. He has long been rumoured to be taking part. We have got Tosin | :06:17. | :06:23. | |
Cole from EastEnders, and Mandeep Gill, who has appeared in Hollyoaks | :06:24. | :06:32. | |
and on casualty. We have to talk about video footage that has emerged | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
of Harry Styles being groped in the crotch during a concert in Los | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
Angeles on Saturday night. Let's have a look at the video. SCREAMING. | :06:43. | :06:56. | |
Let's have a look at the video. We are going to play that again... | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
Hopefully. We will play again. You can see that he's pushing that fan | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
away. This video has gone up on social media and it has been a huge | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
reaction from people pointing out of course that any kind of contact like | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
this is inappropriate one of the figures involved, Harry Styles, one | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
of the biggest male stars in the world, with a very kind of adoring | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
fan base, but really, people saying that this kind of thing, it doesn't | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
matter who is affected by it, it is absolutely unacceptable. We haven't | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
heard anything from Harry Styles or his people and no complaints have | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
been made to the authorities at this point, but it shines a spotlight on | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
the ongoing issue of any kind of inappropriate contact between | :07:42. | :07:54. | |
celebrities and other people. Thank you, Liso, a la entertainment | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
correspondent. Let's get some sports news now. | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
Lewis Hamilton is edging closer to a fourth F1 world title | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
He was made to work early in the race, after being overtaken | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
by title rival Sebastian Vettel from the off. | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
Hamilton managed to regain the lead on lap six and never looked back. | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
There were many in attendance to watch Hamilton take | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
his ninth victory of the season, including a certain Usain Bolt. | :08:16. | :08:17. | |
It means that Hamilton needs just a top five finish in Mexico | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
next weekend to clinch the Drivers' Championship. | :08:21. | :08:22. | |
It has been an incredible year, so far. | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
I did not expect to have the pace that we had on | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
Sebastian this year, today, but the car felt fantastic, | :08:29. | :08:30. | |
we had the right balance at the start. | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
On to football, where it was another loss for Everton. | :08:33. | :08:45. | |
And yet more pressure heaped on manager Ronald Kooman. | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
Everton were thrashed 5-2 by Arsenal at Goodison Park | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
But they conceded four second half goals, and means they've not | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
won a match in five matches in all competitions. | :08:54. | :09:04. | |
Manager Koeman admitted his club expects better. | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
It is a tough time. The team is not performing well. The position in the | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
table was not the position that Everton should be on. Everybody | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
knows that. We had a lot of expectation after last season. And | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
that, those expectations are not filling in at the moment. And that | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
makes the situation really difficult. It was a miserable day | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
for the Merseyside rivals Liverpool. They lost 4-1 to Spurs at Wembley. | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
Harry Kane scored twice to increase his tally to 15 in all competitions | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
this season. Liverpool paid for bad defensive errors. | :09:44. | :09:45. | |
Congratulations this morning to Motherwell. | :09:46. | :09:46. | |
They've have reached the Scottish League Cup final | :09:47. | :09:48. | |
for the first time in more than a decade. | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
They'll take on current holders Celtic in the final next month. | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
The Chief of Staff for the President of the European Commission has | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
denied leaking an account of Theresa May's dinner with EU | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
negotiators last week to a German newspaper which claimed Theresa May | :10:02. | :10:09. | |
"begged" Jean-Claude Juncker "for help" with Brexit. | :10:10. | :10:11. | |
Our political correspondent Eleanor Garnier can tell us more. | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
What details do we have unworthily came from? This is a report in the | :10:17. | :10:26. | |
German newspaper. It is about a dinner that Theresa May had last | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
week with the president of the commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, and | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
also the EU chief negotiator, Michel Barnier. After that dinner this | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
German newspaper is reporting that Theresa May seemed tired and | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
despondent, she was apparently anxious and tormented and apparently | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
asked those EU leaders for help, because of the domestic pressure she | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
is facing back home, with her cabinet so divided over Brexit. We | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
have heard from Jean-Claude Juncker's Chief of Staff this | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
morning. He has denied leaking those reports to this German newspaper. He | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
has denied that Jean-Claude Juncker even said those things. He said this | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
is an attempt to frame the EU, undermine negotiations and he has | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
insisted that Brussels does not want to undermine Theresa May's position. | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
Another thing I would like to speak about as this letter that has | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
emerged from Britain's five biggest business lobby groups. They are | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
calling for an urgent Brexit transitional deal. Explain what it | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
is what they are calling for. These business groups say that things are | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
so uncertain now, and they are worried about the future, and the | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
decisions they need to make in order to secure the growth that they think | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
their businesses need, but of course lead into the UK's economy. They say | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
that the country needs an urgent transition deal put in place as soon | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
as possible to end that uncertainty. What this transition deal would do | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
would be to keep things as they are, the day after we leave the EU. They | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
say things need to be as close as possible to the existing | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
arrangements, the day after we leave the EU. We know Theresa May has said | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
she does want a transition deal of about two years. But we also know | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
that the EU would agree on that until further progress is made on | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
the divorce side of things, the divorce talks. Issues like the | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
rights of EU citizens and of course the big sticking point that we have | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
seen so far, money, that issue of how much the UK is willing to pay | :12:28. | :12:34. | |
the EU, as it leaves the union. That's what business leaders want. | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
It just shows how much pressure Theresa May is under. She is | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
fighting on all fronts, not just in the EU with negotiations there, | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
trying to persuade those in Brussels to move onto talks about trade. She | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
has pressure here in Westminster from MPs, not just on the opposition | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
parties but behind, on own backbenches and of course from | :12:55. | :12:55. | |
businesses, too. Now we can speak to Kwasi Kwarteng, | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
a Conservative MP who was a leading Leave campaigner | :13:01. | :13:02. | |
and Heidi Alexander, Labour MP and Remain supporter | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
who is part of Thank you both for coming in. Let's | :13:06. | :13:15. | |
talk first of all about that embarrassing leak today. It has been | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
quoted that Theresa May begged for help last week from Jean-Claude | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
Juncker. She was anxious, tormented, despondent and discouraged. That is | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
not the sort of language you want to hear one woman who is meant to be | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
leaving these Brexit negotiations. We have had these looks before. I'm | :13:33. | :13:34. | |
not sure how much credence we can give them. I think the Chief of | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
Staff of Jean-Claude Juncker has already been fingered for leaking | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
the first meeting, if you remember, all those months ago. The story | :13:45. | :13:57. | |
appeared in the same newspaper, in the property. That doesn't mean it | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
is not true. They have been playing lots of games on the EU side. What | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
the Prime Minister has always said has been consistent. If you look at | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
the Lancaster House speech, and what she said subsequently, she's had a | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
consistent line. There will be lots of noise, lots of different word | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
said about her position but I think her position is actually quite clear | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
one. It is worth saying that the source of the league has denied | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
making it. I think there is no smoke without fire, to be honest and this | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
is probably underlining the extent to which these negotiations are | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
going so badly wrong. I think that Theresa May may find some friendly | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
faces round the negotiating table in Brussels than she actually finds | :14:41. | :14:42. | |
around the Cabinet table in Number Ten. She has got huge problems on | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
her own backbenches and with some of her Cabinet colleagues. And so, I | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
think the news that we have heard this morning about this letter from | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
a number of significant employers just underscores how critical it is | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
that we get an agreement on transition which is essentially | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
staying in the single market and Customs union for a number of years | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
following the conclusion of Article 50 negotiations. Does it worry you, | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
this letter from these business leaders? They are worried, and if | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
they are worried that is not good for the economy. A couple of things | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
you must bear in mind, the transition give something the | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
Chancellor has mentioned. Liam Fox, lots of people on both sides of the | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
unit within the Conservative Party are signed up to this. This is | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
nothing new. Secondly, I would say... Forgive me, forgive me, Heidi | :15:38. | :15:46. | |
has made a number of remarks about disagree with and I would like to | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
counter. These business leaders have said that there is support in the | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
government for transitional arrangements and they are putting | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
together budgets for next year and they are saying, if you do not start | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
telling as soon... What I am saying, Heidi said that the negotiations are | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
going badly. They are not. Angela Merkel has said that we can talk | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
about trade in December after the first stage is done. Many people on | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
your side were saying that it was going to be next year. We have | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
talked down the British diplomacy and government and economy, but | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
actually, if you strip away all of the rhetoric, we are not in a bad | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
place. I think we will get a deal. Everyone involved is confident that | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
we can get the deal, and then we can move on. | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
People said this summit in October was going to be crunch time. | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
Businesses need the certainty about what the trading arrangements are | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
going to be, whether they are going to have to make customs declaration, | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
whether they their supply chain is going to hold up, they need that | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
certainty, because we are looking at a situation in March 2019, which is | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
less than a year-and-a-half away now, and so, you know, the fact that | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
we haven't been able to progress to the talks about the future trading | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
arrangement, all we have got from this summit is an agreement that we | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
are going to start talking about having talks in the future, when | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
this is now 16 months since the referendum, for Government ministers | :17:16. | :17:18. | |
to be describing this summit as a success when it was an unambiguous | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
failure is nauseating in my view. I don't think she has got this right | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
at all if we lock at it. It not from the referendum it have from the | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
signing of the Article 50, in March. In the last six month, nine nonths | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
we have had a lot of progress. Have we? People will be saying are you | :17:37. | :17:43. | |
sure about that? We have had no progress on EU citizens right, on | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
Northern Ireland, we haven't got agreement about moving to the next | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
talk, these talks are failing and it is a mess and you have to accept | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
that. If you let me talk, if we look where we were in March, no-one was | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
talking about a transition deal in March, no-one was talking about | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
that, now we are talking about that. In terms of EU migrants the Prime | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
Minister has written a letter and said they will be allowed to stay, | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
that wasn't the case in March. OK. Then when she say, when Heidi says | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
we haven't made progress, three weeks' ago we were saying we would | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
never get to a point where we talk about trade. Last week Angela Merkel | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
said that we could get to that point before the end of the year. That is | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
all progress. Those are three things in which we have made big steps. I | :18:28. | :18:35. | |
think, eHeidi said it was nauseating it is nauseating for me to have the | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
negotiationtive attitude on what is a sensitive discussion. We are make | :18:42. | :18:42. | |
progress. Thank you for coming in. Sir David Attenborough talks | :18:43. | :18:49. | |
about sea life and the threats it faces as he returns to screens this | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
Sunday with a new series Gambling ads are banned on British | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
TV before the 9pm watershed - except in live sporting matches - | :18:56. | :19:02. | |
and now an investigation for this programme has found that 95% of ad | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
breaks during football matches contain at least one | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
gambling advert. A fifth of the commercials | :19:09. | :19:09. | |
broadcast across 25 matches were for betting firms, | :19:10. | :19:11. | |
rising to more than It comes as the government | :19:12. | :19:13. | |
is considering whether new restrictions are needed, | :19:14. | :19:22. | |
with a report expected You can watch it and you can | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
get involved in it. The betting industry and the way it | :19:25. | :19:33. | |
sells itself has changed radically. Ten years ago, the Labour Government | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
let bookies advertise There was and still is | :19:37. | :19:38. | |
an agreement not to show ads There is an exception though, | :19:39. | :19:48. | |
in live sporting events When he was a teenager | :19:49. | :19:56. | |
he started gambling Any spare money that I had was spent | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
on gambling, you know, two weeks you would be losing, | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
but you hoped to go on a lucky run. The number of problem gamblers has | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
remained fairly stable over the last few years with around two million | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
people at risk. The latest stats show | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
if you are under 35 years old, you're far more likely | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
to get in trouble. The sports betting adverts | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
is absolutely huge. It has swamped the whole | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
Premier League. It's almost seen that | :20:30. | :20:36. | |
it's the thing to do. That you have to put | :20:37. | :20:38. | |
a bet on to kind of get We looked at 25 games | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
shown on TV this season. That's total of 1,324 commercials | :20:42. | :20:47. | |
and sponsorship idents. Of those 272 were for betting ads - | :20:48. | :20:49. | |
that's one in every five. For some games sponsored by betting | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
firms, the rate was even higher. Take a recent Everton match, 40% | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
of the adverts were for gambling. Again, 37% of the commercials | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
were betting related. The Government is now under | :21:01. | :21:13. | |
pressure to do more on this. At a recent debate in the House | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
of Lords, former Spurs chairman It's my personal belief | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
that it is these adverts that are the major culprits who induce | :21:20. | :21:27. | |
young people to gamble. Frankly, these adverts are too | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
clever, and too luring. The betting industry says | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
there is no evidence that more adverts leads | :21:38. | :21:38. | |
to more problem gambling. There's an interesting question | :21:39. | :21:45. | |
there about whether the current Are they causing harm | :21:46. | :21:47. | |
or is it subjective? People don't like them and there's | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
even people in the gambling But we have a major review | :21:51. | :21:52. | |
under way at the moment, It's a great opportunity to look | :21:53. | :22:03. | |
at all these issues. The thing is a TV advertising ban | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
can only do so much. Take the BBC's own programme, | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
Match Of The Day. No commercials maybe, but a study | :22:10. | :22:12. | |
by Goldsmith's University still found over 250 separate | :22:13. | :22:14. | |
gambling adverts on screen - It's Burnley nil, | :22:15. | :22:16. | |
West Ham United one. This is all likely to come | :22:17. | :22:30. | |
to a head this autumn. A major government review | :22:31. | :22:32. | |
of the gambling sector is expected soon and greater restrictions | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
on advertising are The Government told us, | :22:36. | :22:36. | |
"We have been clear that we expect the gambling sector to help people | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
stay in control of their gambling, but there is clearly more work | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
that is needed in this area". Liz Karter is a gambling addiction | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
therapist who specialises in getting Matt Zarb-Cousin is a former | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
gambling addict now working with the Campaign for Fairer | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
Gambling. In Devon, Justyn Larcombe, | :23:00. | :23:00. | |
a former gambler and trained money Negative attitude on what is a | :23:01. | :23:09. | |
sensitive discussion. We are make progress. Thank you for coming in. | :23:10. | :23:11. | |
Tell us hour your addiction took hold? It started when I was very | :23:12. | :23:18. | |
young, 16, I got addicted to fixed odds betting machines, part of the | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
review that is imminent. And I think the adverts, gambling adverts really | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
are a trigger for people who are addicted. I think it is very | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
difficult, you feel like you can't get away from gambling, whenever you | :23:32. | :23:34. | |
go shopping, down the high street, there is dozens of betting shop, you | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
turn on the TV to watch a sporting event, there is the ads again, and | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
the feeling of gambling becoming more and more normalised I think is | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
a cause for concern, particularly among young people. There was a | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
study out last week, a Australian study on young people and how | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
gambling adverts affect them. They, children as young as 11 were able to | :23:58. | :24:03. | |
recall exactly what the. Amling advert was, how to place a bet. They | :24:04. | :24:10. | |
knew about odds, I think that is a a particular concern, and I think it | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
speaks to actually how bloated the gambling industry has got. Last year | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
it generated 14 billion, and what does it say about our economy that | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
these ads are everywhere, and half of football teams are sponsored by | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
gambling companies. Liz, when you speak to people who have gapening | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
addictions, are they talking about adverts in football matches being a | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
trigger for them. It is a trigger, if we look at recovery, the area I | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
have been working in for the last 16 year, whatever the evidence says I | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
know through my professional experience, that the gambling | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
adverts cause huge problems for people in their recovery, and | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
doesn't recovery require some sort of personal responsibility, we are | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
always asked, yes, of course it does, but we have to bear in mind, | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
that when somebody is in recovery from gambling addiction they are in | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
a massive conflict with themselves on the one hand there is one part of | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
them that desperately wants to stop because they know their gambling is | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
destroying their lives, their mental health and the lives of those round | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
them they love and care about. They are, especially in the early weeks | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
driven by huge intense cravings to gamble that are every bit as | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
difficult to negotiate as anyone who is going through withdrawal from | :25:35. | :25:40. | |
Class A drugs or alcohol so to be constantly drip fed adverts | :25:41. | :25:43. | |
encouraging them what they are trying not to do is incredibly | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
difficult. I want to introduce you to Jon Brian who has written about | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
gambling adverts. I don't know how much you have heard of what Liz and | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
Matt have said, they are talking about the prevalence of the TV | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
adverts being a real problem for people trying to recover from | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
gambling addiction, would you agree with that? I think they could be a | :26:06. | :26:11. | |
problem, but I think, the bit I did hear was where someone said whatever | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
the evidence shows, we have to stop this. I just don't think that is the | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
case. I think the research is inconclusive in terms of whether or | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
not they have an impact. I think they, there is a kind of tendency to | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
think a common-sense idea, which there must be something we can do to | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
stop these adverts and therefore regulate them. I don't think that, I | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
think there is this assumption we immediate to do these things, to | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
prevent the amount of adverts, but I think we can make our own choices | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
from watching adverts about what it is we choose to do, overall, the | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
Gambling Commission have just done a, some research that shows the | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
level of problem gambling is statistically stable and in fact has | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
been over the last few year, so I don't think there is anything that | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
needs doing, I don't think we need any further regularings -- | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
regulation. A quick one it has gone up. It went up to 430,000 in 2015 | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
but aside from that, do you think it is appropriate young people are | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
targeted with these advert, particularly when there is a | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
prewatershed exemption, do you not think there is a case for these ads, | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
if they are allowed they should be after the watershed. It depend that | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
you you by young people. There is an assumption we need to protect | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
children. The Gambling Commission and others have kind of recently | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
writ frn and said that people need to adjust their adverts to make sure | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
they don't attract children. I think that is a legitimate thing to do. | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
When you saw young people are we talking about 16-year-old, | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
18-year-old, 20-year-olds, what is, that we are talking about? It is | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
clearly the case that gambling is something that the majority of | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
people in this country enjoy, at least once a year, I the most recent | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
research says 65% of people gambling at some point throughout the year, | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
so, the fact there are a number of gambling advert, you know, I think | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
that is a reflection of the way that things are, I think that you know, | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
in terms of protecting children, you know, then, as I said, there has | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
been recent intervention to try and do that, but, I don't think that we | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
should all be treated. That is a real problem. If I could come in | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
there I would like to be clear what I said certainly wasn't let's stop | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
all gambling advertising, because I don't believe that would work, I | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
think we need to have sensible reasonable discussions about the | :28:51. | :28:57. | |
current level, I don't believe if we eradicate all advertising we will | :28:58. | :28:59. | |
eradicate addiction to gambling, what I know is for the majority of | :29:00. | :29:05. | |
people that I work with, their gambling addiction whether they are | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
consciously wear of it is an attempt to medicate often high lesses of | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
stress depression or anxiety by absorption in their addiction or | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
getting a high from the experience, we talk about the FOBTs a lot and | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
they have been dubbed the crack cocaine of the gambling industry. | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
These fixed betting terminals. Exactly. So, to eradicate the | :29:31. | :29:37. | |
adverts would not eradicate the problem, because the problem exists | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
because of problems often that person has in their life, but what I | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
think we do need to do, along with having sensible conversations about | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
the level of advertising is look at how we are going to educate people | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
in the real risks they are taking, if they do, as you said, choose to | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
gamble, because for many people it will remain fun, for some people, | :30:00. | :30:07. | |
they will become hooked not by the loss chasing initially but how hay | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
feel when they are in the activity of gambling. I am sorry that we | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
don't educate better in that, we can't just educate about the odds of | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
winning or being sensible with money, to safeguard young people or | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
indeed anybody of any age. We need to educate people that if they get | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
hooked it might be they are going through a particularly difficult | :30:30. | :30:31. | |
time in their life and gambling lifts their mood. | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
Thank you ever so much. If let me bring this to you. Gemma | :30:35. | :30:51. | |
Proctor has been charged with the murder of 18-month-old Elliot Potter | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
to go from a sixth floor window in Bradford in West Yorkshire. Still to | :30:56. | :31:02. | |
come, reaction to the comments from a government minister that the only | :31:03. | :31:05. | |
way to deal with British extremists who have gone to fight with the | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
so-called Islamic State in Syria is to kill them in almost every case. A | :31:10. | :31:17. | |
group of MPs is to launch an inquiry into so-called pop-up brothels, | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
where sex workers set up on premises for a short period before moving on. | :31:22. | :31:31. | |
Time to the latest news now with Rebecca. Here are the headlines on | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
BBC News. From today, owners of older, | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
dirtier vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10 to drive | :31:40. | :31:42. | |
in central London. The scheme, known as the T-charge, | :31:43. | :31:44. | |
is designed to reduce air pollution and has been described | :31:45. | :31:47. | |
as the toughest emission standard and environmental groups, | :31:48. | :31:49. | |
by some health charities although some say it | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
doesn't go far enough. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson | :31:55. | :32:07. | |
has backed those in the United States urging restraint on President | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
Trump over both Iran and North Korea. In a speech in Central | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
London, Mr Johnson said dialogue and diplomacy are needed to counter any | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
threat of nuclear war. He said recent activity by North Korea had | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
raised fears around the world. It is this increased tempo of nuclear | :32:26. | :32:31. | |
testing, coupled with florid outbursts of verbal belligerence | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
that have reawakened, even in this country, those forgotten peers. -- | :32:38. | :32:48. | |
fears. The public can be forgiven for once again starting to wonder | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
whether the nuclear sword of Damocles is once again held over the | :32:53. | :32:54. | |
head of a trembling human race. The Victoria Derbyshire | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
programme has learnt that the government | :33:00. | :33:01. | |
is considering whether new restrictions are needed | :33:02. | :33:02. | |
on gambling adverts on TV were for betting firms, | :33:03. | :33:04. | |
broadcast across 25 matches rising to more than one | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
in three in some games. A government report on the subject | :33:10. | :33:12. | |
is expected as early as next week. Patients are being encouraged to go | :33:13. | :33:20. | |
home and rest in order | :33:21. | :33:22. | |
to recover from some illnesses, rather than be prescribed | :33:23. | :33:24. | |
unnecessary antibiotics, as part of a new campaign | :33:25. | :33:25. | |
by Public Health England. Health officials are warning | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
the overuse of certain medicines has made some infections harder | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
to treat by creating Last year, in England alone, | :33:33. | :33:34. | |
more than 5,000 people died That's a summary of | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
the latest BBC News. Lewis Hamilton is edging closer | :33:40. | :33:53. | |
to a fourth F1 world title If he finishes in the top five in | :33:54. | :34:10. | |
Mexico next weekend he will seal the championship. Everton manager Ronald | :34:11. | :34:19. | |
Koeman is leaving training today and preparing as normal for Everton's | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
next match. There is increasing speculation about his future after | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
Everton drop into the relegation zone following defeat at Arsenal. I | :34:29. | :34:35. | |
will try to carry on... You don't have to carry on. I have been there. | :34:36. | :34:41. | |
It is not pleasant. Take a drink of water. I was going to give you the | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
rest of the sport but it is not going to happen, I'm afraid. Don't | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
apologise, it has happened to all of us. | :34:49. | :34:56. | |
A group of MPs have today launched an inquiry into so called "pop-up" | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
brothels which are growing in popularity across the UK. | :35:00. | :35:01. | |
It's where sex workers use rented properties for between one day | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
and a few weeks before packing up and moving on. | :35:05. | :35:06. | |
Many of the pop-up brothels are linked to organised crime gangs, | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
Let's talk now to Carrie Mitchell from Poland and Romania. | :35:10. | :35:12. | |
from the English Collective of Prostitutes, who says | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
women are being forced into this predicament. | :35:15. | :35:16. | |
Inspector Dave Meredith is from Newquay Police, whose force | :35:17. | :35:19. | |
discovered 14 pop-up brothels in the seaside town | :35:20. | :35:21. | |
Thank you both for coming in and speaking to us. Why are these pop-up | :35:22. | :35:32. | |
brothels increasing, do we know? Well, we think they are caused, the | :35:33. | :35:39. | |
name pop-up brothels is a bit of a misnomer. These are short-term lets, | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
as you said, and they are caused by the police closing down longer-term | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
premises where women have been working in many cases stably, the | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
premises have been there and have been stable for a while, but the | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
police are raiding and closing premises using closure orders or | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
they are just coming round and saying, if you don't close in a | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
week, I will come back and prosecute. That has happened widely | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
around the country. And this has forced women to move to short-term | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
lets to keep ahead of the police. So this isn't about criminal gangs | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
trafficking Eastern European woman? This is about women who have, for | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
years, work in brothels, they have been closed down. There may be | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
immigrant women working in short-term lets, but the trafficking | :36:28. | :36:36. | |
initiatives are really based on outdated figures. Less than 6% of | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
sex workers are trafficked, have been forced to work. So people | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
shouldn't worry so much and if anybody is being forced to work in | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
the sex industry or any industry they should be able to come forward | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
and report it to the police but that again is a problem because then you | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
fear that you're going to be thrown out of your premises or deported, | :36:56. | :36:58. | |
and that is big fear for women, because most of them are mothers or | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
they are working to send money home to other countries. Can you pick up | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
and respond to those points? Good morning. I would like to clarify | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
that the police approach to dealing with pop-up brothels is very much a | :37:16. | :37:21. | |
victim centred. It is not like it was done decades ago, when they were | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
arrested and taken in handcuffs. When we do visit a pop-up brothel, | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
it is very much a safeguarding approach to checking their wealth of | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
the sex workers, to check on their welfare and perhaps give them | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
signposting advice to various welfare agencies and secondly to | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
gather evidence to see if they are victims of sex trafficking. That is | :37:43. | :37:51. | |
good, as long as women can come forward and report and they know | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
that they can report to the police without fear of deportation. Our | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
experience is that the police are raiding widely around the country. | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
We've add women coming to our group who have been threatened by the | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
police that if they do not close down they are going to prosecute | :38:08. | :38:09. | |
anybody who works in the premises, including somebody who has had a | :38:10. | :38:16. | |
violent attack and burglary to the police, that's the only reason she | :38:17. | :38:19. | |
came to their pension then she was threatened with personal prosecution | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
and then with deportation. -- came to the attention of the police. The | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
police said that she had to close down. They said that she was | :38:30. | :38:36. | |
allowing under age clients in. They have a strict policy of not doing | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
that. The police evidence was they sat outside on a particular night | :38:41. | :38:43. | |
and they had the evidence but in fact they did not have any clients, | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
that night. So the police are not being straightforward, and we think | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
there is something else behind it. What do you think? They are probably | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
getting money in order to do these trafficking rates. That is what we | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
think. You think there is an incentive to do this? There is an | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
incentive to do this, and they should be leading women alone so | :39:08. | :39:09. | |
that they can work together safely without fear of arrest. That has to | :39:10. | :39:16. | |
be the way that the police go. Let's get a response to that. There is | :39:17. | :39:22. | |
most sinister element to our approach to dealing with sex workers | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
or pop-up brothels. -- there is no sinister element. It is a victim | :39:29. | :39:31. | |
centred. The approach from the police is to visit rather than to | :39:32. | :39:37. | |
raid a pop-up brothel and, when we do visit, we have a caring and | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
compassionate approach. We go along and most of the visits are planned | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
and structured and our intention when we go there is to safeguard and | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
operate on a compassionate and victim centred approach. And that | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
includes signposting sex workers to various aid agencies and doing | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
everything we can to find out if they are the subject of modern | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
slavery and sex trafficking. As I said, we have moved on in Leeds and | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
bounds in the last decades and our overall approach is far removed from | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
what it used to be, arrest and prosecution, and now it is a | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
question of welfare. We are going to have to move on. Thank you for | :40:21. | :40:22. | |
coming in. Any remaining scepticism | :40:23. | :40:24. | |
about climate change must be at vanishing point, | :40:25. | :40:25. | |
when you see what's happening to the oceans - | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
so says Sir David Attenborough, who's back on our screens | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
this Sunday with another | :40:32. | :40:33. | |
series of Blue Planet. He talked about the fragility | :40:34. | :40:34. | |
of the ocean, the threats it faces, and the remarkable communication | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
between sea life, and exploding lakes of methane gas, | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
when he sat down for an interview with our science | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
editor David Shukman. Hidden beneath the waves, right | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
beneath my feet there are creatures It's always said we know | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
more about the moon Is that really true and do you think | :40:54. | :41:05. | |
this adventure shows that? This world is infinitely more | :41:06. | :41:15. | |
complex than anything we've discovered out in the universe | :41:16. | :41:17. | |
as far as I know. The degree of complexity | :41:18. | :41:20. | |
of what we need to know or do know about the moon and Mars are not very | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
great actually because there are no life, there's no complex communities | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
of life to know things Do you think we will ever reach | :41:29. | :41:30. | |
a point where we do know enough or is there always going to be | :41:31. | :41:40. | |
a journey of curiosity and enquiry? As far as I can see, | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
what we are discovering is almost always that the world is more | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
intricate, more wonderful, more David, you have been involved | :41:50. | :41:51. | |
in so many documentary series and this one, | :41:52. | :42:04. | |
I've seen the first episode, What, for you, is the most startling | :42:05. | :42:06. | |
revelation if you like about this I think it's the degree | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
to which marine animals communicate with one another, | :42:12. | :42:20. | |
not only individually within A mother walrus still needs to find | :42:21. | :42:22. | |
a place where her young can rest. There was a very moving scene | :42:23. | :42:36. | |
in episode one of a walrus mother trying to get her calf onto a piece | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
of ice and there wasn't much left What is your sense about the scale | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
and rate of change in, I think any sceptics | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
that there were ten years ago, 20 years ago, about global warming | :42:50. | :42:57. | |
and so on, climate change, and there were lots, | :42:58. | :43:00. | |
must surely be diminishing, almost to vanishing point when you | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
see the evidence we have collected. World scientists around the world | :43:04. | :43:12. | |
have collected And the fact we are | :43:13. | :43:14. | |
responsible for that. What is it that motivates | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
you to remain engaged at this active This amazing panoply of astonishment | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
and beauty and intricacy and wonder Discovery in the natural world | :43:25. | :43:40. | |
is just a never ending delight. The extraordinary behaviours | :43:41. | :43:48. | |
of all these creatures doing so, they are all so beautiful | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
and extraordinary and so unlike anything else | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
we encounter on our dry land. The world of the underwater | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
is just amazing. Sir David Attenborough | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
talking to our science Next this morning, in an incredibly | :44:03. | :44:03. | |
rare interview we can hear now from an active FBI undercover agent | :44:04. | :44:23. | |
who was able to infiltrate himself inside an Al-Qaeda linked cell | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
and prevent the bombing of the New York-Toronto | :44:27. | :44:29. | |
railway line. His story is published today under | :44:30. | :44:30. | |
the pseudonym of Tamer El-Noury. His words have been revoiced | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
to protect his identity. He was talking to | :44:34. | :44:35. | |
Scott Pelley at CBS. It starts that morning | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
that I'm travelling. I assume I'm travelling | :44:41. | :44:42. | |
covertly in alias. I take a shower and I put on - | :44:43. | :44:45. | |
for this case I put And I drive to the beach and I sit | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
at the beach and I talk to myself out loud like a crazy person | :44:49. | :45:05. | |
reciting everything there is to know about Tamer El-Noury, | :45:06. | :45:08. | |
his company, his family, The FBI created a history | :45:09. | :45:10. | |
for Tamer El-Noury, an online presence and actual office | :45:11. | :45:19. | |
for his investment company, where a receptionist | :45:20. | :45:21. | |
answered the phone. There were ownership | :45:22. | :45:23. | |
records, a home, fake IDs and critical to the legend, | :45:24. | :45:25. | |
there was a false personal tragedy. El-Noury's fake background said | :45:26. | :45:27. | |
that his mother had died of neglect in a US hospital | :45:28. | :45:29. | |
because of anti-Muslim That lie completed the picture | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
of a wealthy Arab American Chiheb Esseghaier thought | :45:33. | :45:49. | |
that his new friend was made to order which, | :45:50. | :45:58. | |
of course, he was. Esseghaier twisted the Koran | :45:59. | :46:00. | |
to justify attacking the West. He admitted that his trips | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
to Iran were for meetings Surveillance showed that Esseghaier | :46:05. | :46:06. | |
was checking Tamer El-Noury's back story and one night in a basement | :46:07. | :46:13. | |
in Toronto, El-Noury Was grilled This interrogation was so sharp | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
El-Noury feared that his He analysed the room | :46:17. | :46:38. | |
in case he had to escape. But the cop within you had | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
figured out where the exit was and had decided what order | :46:43. | :46:44. | |
he was going to shoot the people As you get older and slower, | :46:45. | :46:47. | |
you realise you always go That was a rare interview | :46:48. | :46:56. | |
with an active FBI undercover agent who infiltrated himself | :46:57. | :47:06. | |
inside an Al-Qaeda linked cell. Meanwhile, a government minister has | :47:07. | :47:08. | |
said the "only way" to deal with British IS fighters in Syria | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
is "in almost every Rory Stewart, a Foreign Office | :47:12. | :47:13. | |
Minister, says converts to so-called Islamic State believed | :47:14. | :47:22. | |
in an "extremely hateful doctrine" and had moved away from any | :47:23. | :47:24. | |
allegiance to Britain. This is what Rory Stewart | :47:25. | :47:26. | |
told BBC 5 Live. I don't think anybody should be | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
in any doubt these are people who have essentially moved away | :47:31. | :47:33. | |
from any kind of allegiance They are absolutely dedicated | :47:34. | :47:35. | |
as members of Islamic State They believe in an extremely hateful | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
doctrine which involves killing themselves and killing others | :47:40. | :47:48. | |
and trying to use violence and brutality to create an eighth | :47:49. | :47:50. | |
century or seventh century state. So I'm afraid we have to be serious | :47:51. | :47:52. | |
about the fact these people are a serious danger to us | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
and unfortunately the only way of dealing with them, | :47:57. | :47:58. | |
in almost every case, Or should Brits who join | :47:59. | :48:00. | |
through "naiveity" be allowed Thank you for taking the time to | :48:01. | :48:33. | |
speak to us. What do you make of the comments in light of what your | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
family has been through? They are very uneducated, dangerous, blanket | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
generalised statements, by putting out statementsches that level of | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
violence, and generalising it over everybody who has joined these | :48:48. | :48:50. | |
organisations without the individualty of each case you are | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
creating hypocrisy in wondering who is the more evil of the two groups | :48:57. | :49:05. | |
Government or these extreme mist groups by stating just kill them | :49:06. | :49:11. | |
all. Colonel Bob Stewart speak to Christian. Did you know your son was | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
going out to the Middle East, if you did, did you try and stop him? I had | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
no idea he was going out to the Middle East. This was 2012 and my | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
Government decided it was not up to me to try to stop him, so didn't | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
inform me of the information they had all this time. | :49:31. | :49:37. | |
Was he fighting against the, against us, when he was killed? When he went | :49:38. | :49:45. | |
over he went over with Al-Nusra and changed over to IS. He was fighting | :49:46. | :49:48. | |
against Bashar al-Assad for what he thought was the right thing to do | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
because of the torture, on the women and children, that nobody else was | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
doing anything about. In his mind, that is the reason he went. It | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
wasn't about brutality, or killing everybody, or anything else and | :50:02. | :50:04. | |
there are a lot of youth over there, children, women, that are there for | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
different reasons, that aren't necessarily there to kill everybody | :50:09. | :50:11. | |
in sight just because that is what they must do. Did he communicate | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
back to you and tell you this? Absolutely. We communicated on a | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
regular basis on the telephone, right up until he changed over the | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
IS and communications became strained. So he realised yeast was | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
an enemy of this country -- IS was an enemy of this country. He didn't | :50:32. | :50:37. | |
say that. Not once did he say they were an enemy, nor am I defending | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
their action, I am not defending anybody's actions when it comes to | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
violence, I am saying to make a broad statement, uneducated and | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
creating more danger at those youth that are sitting on the fence, | :50:51. | :50:55. | |
without reaching out, by creating an environment of hostility on both | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
sides, makes it very difficult for the youth to decide who is right and | :51:00. | :51:02. | |
who is wrong. Unfortunately they have got off the fence, they have | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
gone and they are fighting and they are killing people, by their | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
actions, this is, this is a real problem. Our problem is if we allow | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
such people back, can we trust them? I mean, I have actually been on the | :51:16. | :51:20. | |
ground on operations and seen this, they change. I agree. There is a lot | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
of things there, but we let them go, we let this happen. Our community, | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
we are failing our communities the and our youth. Until we start make | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
changes ourselves and the way we start integrating programmes for | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
youth and giving them a voice where they can be heard and stop dealing | :51:40. | :51:47. | |
with hypocrisy s how can they make informed decisions properly, | :51:48. | :51:50. | |
especially when representatives of our Government are making uneducated | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
statements themselves and general hiding is proving their point. You | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
are aiding these extremists in their arguments by saying these | :52:00. | :52:02. | |
statements. I am not saying anything is right or wrong in this case, in | :52:03. | :52:10. | |
the... Forgive me for jumping in, tell me, if your son hadn't been | :52:11. | :52:15. | |
killed, fighting for Islamic State and he decided he wanted to return | :52:16. | :52:23. | |
home, do you feel he would have been safe to return home, or do you feel | :52:24. | :52:26. | |
he would have posed a threat to society? Very difficult to say. I | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
mean unless you sit down with each individual as to where they are at | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
in their own ideological process, we have heard of many youth that get | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
over there, that realise it is not what they expected. They want to | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
escape but they are not allowed to, there are so many other conditions | :52:44. | :52:46. | |
we don't necessarily understand for each case, I would expect him to go | :52:47. | :52:51. | |
straight into prison, absolutely, without a doubt. There would need to | :52:52. | :52:54. | |
be some assessments and everything else, in this case, we also have to | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
look at women and children that are there, that were brought | :52:59. | :53:01. | |
unwillingly, that were forced, some of the young children at this point | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
have been indoctrinated but that mean we don't give them a chance | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
again? They are ten, 11 years old, do we create that blanket statement | :53:11. | :53:13. | |
for them as well? They could be dangerous too. Unless we reach out | :53:14. | :53:17. | |
and try to help them, how can we know? Colonel Bob Stewart respond to | :53:18. | :53:26. | |
that point. The problem is, I have seen evidence, personally, in | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
Africa, for example, in northern Uganda of children that have been | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
taken by the Lords Liberation Army, brainwashed and they come back | :53:36. | :53:39. | |
saying all the well, they go back to their families and they turn guns on | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
them. I just, I am sorry but we have got to be extremely careful. When | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
someone deliberately goes against his background here, or her | :53:49. | :53:51. | |
background here, and says you know, this is awful I'm going to a much | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
better place, they go to the much better place and they pick up arms | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
against us, I am afraid we ought to look at this and say frankly I don't | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
trust this person, and I'm not sure I want them back in my society. | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
I agree we have to be cautious, without a doubt we have to be | :54:10. | :54:12. | |
cautious, it is not like we are just going to let them in and say live | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
your life pick up where you left off. Hopefully we are intelligent | :54:17. | :54:20. | |
enough to sit with them and determine, are we saying we don't | :54:21. | :54:24. | |
have that level of intelligence and education to deal with the problem | :54:25. | :54:30. | |
appropriately? I just... We have a problem. How many people did your | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
son kill. Do you know how many people your son killed? I have no | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
idea. Honestly. There we are. I couldn't begin to tell you. I am | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
extremely cautious about allowing people back in to our society, who | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
have rejected us absolutely, and frankly, we have got good evidence | :54:51. | :54:54. | |
of them going against and killing women and children, in our own | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
country, so why the heck should we take such a risk? I agree we should | :54:59. | :55:04. | |
be cautious but again that blanket statement, by stating we are going | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
to fight violence with violence and killing is OK, how can you turn | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
round to say to the extremist, the killing is not OK. It doesn't matter | :55:14. | :55:17. | |
we are a member of a government or community, it doesn't make it easy | :55:18. | :55:20. | |
for youth to distinguish right from wrong when we are making the same | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
statements but saying it is OK for us to do it but not them. What I am | :55:26. | :55:29. | |
saying here is that we have to be very cautious about a rhetoric, we | :55:30. | :55:33. | |
have to be cautious about what we are putting throughout in the | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
public, and how it is being viewed and seen. By making those types of | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
statement it is very dangerous and push those youth that are still at | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
home, sitting down not sure about what direction what path they are | :55:47. | :55:52. | |
taking, can be a motivational push to take the choice of that extremist | :55:53. | :55:58. | |
view. That is what these types of statements, uneducated statements, | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
dangerous statements. They are not uneducated. Can I ask you Colonel | :56:02. | :56:06. | |
Bob Stewart if there are naive vulnerable young people who went | :56:07. | :56:13. | |
over to join so-called Islamist sla, why can't they come hope and be put | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
in prison Why is the British Government is suggesting a country | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
where we don't have the death penalty it is OK to fight them. I | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
think Rory was referring to people that are still fighting, that is the | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
way I would interpret that, if you are still fighting, you are actually | :56:32. | :56:37. | |
in a combat situation. I don't think that we were actual, he was | :56:38. | :56:40. | |
referring to people that got out. We have to deal with them in a | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
civilised way. We don't have the death penalty. They shouldn't be | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
shot on sight, of course not. But we should deal with people that get | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
back to this country and please stay there, but if they get back to this | :56:55. | :56:58. | |
country, we have to deal with them in accordance with our laws and as | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
humanly as possible. I don't like them coming back, I prefer them to | :57:03. | :57:07. | |
stay because I don't trust them. There are a lot of people in society | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
we don't trust, there are a lot of... Not necessarily just in the | :57:12. | :57:18. | |
extremist ideological view, we see that on a daily basis we can't start | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
saying we don't trust everybody because that creates division. We | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
don't trust people that have gone to fight for IS. We don't trust... Not | :57:28. | :57:34. | |
making these choice, we need to start supporting people that have | :57:35. | :57:37. | |
mental health issue, we need to provide that which we are no longer | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
doing and that... You are broadening out the subject. I am sad your boy | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
has been killed. I am very sad about that. I wish he hasn't been. He was | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
fighting for IS and they are an enemy of this country. I accept | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
that, he put himself in the position. Thank you both for joining | :57:54. | :57:59. | |
us. A Scottish man who was sentenced to | :58:00. | :58:02. | |
three months in jail for touching man's hip in a Dubai bar has had the | :58:03. | :58:09. | |
case against him dropped. 27-year-old Jamie harrow was charged | :58:10. | :58:13. | |
with public indecency so we are getting that information reaching us | :58:14. | :58:15. | |
from Dubai, on the programme tomorrow we are looking at how drugs | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
gangs are targeting vulnerable people in market towns to work as | :58:20. | :58:22. | |
drug runners for them. Thanks for your company today. | :58:23. | :58:34. | |
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