25/10/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Wednesday,

it's 9 o'clock, I'm Tina Daheley

in for Victoria, welcome

to the programme.

Cyber stalking - which can be

anything from sending

repeated unwanted texts,

to leaving nasty messages on social

media - is a growing problem,

but victims and experts complain

it's not always taken

seriously by police,

and conviction rates are low.

Could a new approach

and app being trialled

by Bedfordshire Police change that?

The Royal Bank of Scotland has

already been slammed

by the Financial Conduct Authority

over it handled of thousands

of its business customers.

Now a group of small business owners

tell this programme they have

instructed lawyers to bring criminal

proceedings against RBS -

alleging the bank defrauded them

and caused their businesses

to fail.

And should we treat women

who kill their violent partners

differently to other killers?

We speak to the campaigners

who are calling for a review of how

women who murder after suffering

domestic abuse are judged.

Hello.

Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning.

Also later in the programme

we will be talking to the producer

behind some of cinema's most iconic

movies - including Blade

Runner, The Italian Job

and The Deer Hunter -

about his career, the latest

Blade Runner film and

the culture in Hollywood.

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Our top story today,

an inquiry into e-cigarettes has

been announced by MPs,

amid concerns there are significant

gaps in what is known about them.

Everything from their impact

on human health to how

their consumption affects the NHS

and economy will be examined.

Our health correspondent,

Nick Triggle, reports.

The popularity of e-cigarettes has

soared in recent years.

Nearly 3 million people

in the UK now use them,

according to the Office

for National Statistics -

a fourfold increase since 2012.

This year they were even used

in the annual Stoptober

campaign for the first time.

Despite this, they are not

officially prescribed by the NHS.

Advisory body Nice say patients

should be told there is

currently little evidence on the

long-term benefits or harms of

these products.

The House of Commons Science

and Technology Committee

say there is a lack of clear

guidelines about their use and it is

causing confusion.

It has now announced

it is launching its own enquiry.

We need to understand the long-term

implications of a far

greater number of people

using e-cigarettes.

It's great news that people

are stopping smoking and

shifting to e-cigarettes,

but we need to understand

more about the health

consequences.

The cross-party group of MPs has

asked anyone who wants to

submit written evidence to make sure

it reaches the committee by the 8th

of December.

And we'll be speaking

to Norman Lamb, chair

of the committee launching this

inquiry, later in the programme.

Now a summary of the rest of the

news.

More than half of all British women

have suffered sexual harassment

at work or their place of study,

according to a survey

by BBC Radio 5 Live.

It found most of the women who'd

experienced inappropriate

behaviour didn't report it.

The survey of 2,000 adults also

found a fifth of men have

been sexually harassed,

as Adina Campbell reports.

Sarah Killcoyne has seen and been

on the receiving end

of sexual harassment.

Her personal experiences

started at school.

A high school teacher,

when I was 17,

who assaulted me.

And everybody knew.

He later married a student

just a year under me.

Sarah's is just one person's story.

We heard from men and women

who experienced all kinds of

different harassments.

More than half of women

have experienced

sexual harassment at work

or in a place of study,

according to a survey for BBC

Five Live.

Around two thirds of men and women

who had been harassed say they

didn't report it to anyone.

And more women than

men said they were

targeted by a boss

or senior manager.

In some cases there are blurred

lines when it comes to

sexual harassment.

It can be anything

from assault to unwanted

obscene comments.

It has led to a big online

social media campaign

using the hash tag #metoo.

It dates back more than a decade.

This is about individuals

who are survivors

of sexual violence, but it is also

about a larger conversation about

the systems in place.

The survey for 5 Live also found one

in ten women who had

been harassed left their job

or place of study.

An electrician from Stirling

who was facing three months

in prison in Dubai for public

indecency has spoken of his relief

at returning home to the UK.

Jamie Harron was sentenced

for touching a man's

hip in a crowded bar,

but freed after Dubai's

ruler intervened.

Catriona Renton reports.

Back into the arms of his family.

Jamie Harron's ordeal

is finally over.

He arrived in Scotland

to questions from waiting media.

His reaction to being home?

Very good.

Very happy to be home.

It's been a shambles

from the word go.

No organisation or nothing.

I kept positive all the way

through it, to be honest.

Because I still couldn't believe it

had actually happened,

for what it was that had actually

gone on, even now when I'm

home, I still can't believe

it was three and a half

months, four months.

Jamie Harron had been on a two day

stopover in Dubai in July.

He said he had brushed

against a man's hip in a crowded bar

as he tried to steady himself

to avoid spilling his drink.

Mr Harron was also accused

of drinking alcohol

and making a rude gesture

towards the businessman

who made the complaint.

Although the complaint

was withdrawn, prosecutors

continued with the case.

On Sunday he was sentenced

to three months in prison.

A day later, though,

following an intervention

from the country's ruler,

he was exonerated.

He says he's lost his job

as an electrician in Afghanistan

and said he has now spent

all his savings on legal

fees and expenses.

I had a lot of savings

because I had done six months

in Afghanistan before that.

So it was £30,000?

Everything I've got now is away.

But I just need to move on,

move forward from it.

He told reporters he decided

the next few days whether he would

sue the man who made the complaint.

But for now, with a cuddle

from his mum, it's time to go home.

The Brexit Secretary David Davis

will face scrutiny from MPs shortly.

Mr Davis will be questioned about

developments in the European Union

divorce talks amid claims he has

held up progress

on crucial exit laws.

Follows concerns from EU leaders

that there has not been enough

movement to proceed to the next

stage of talks. We will be live in

the Commons when we will listen to

David Davis taking questions from

the Brexit Committee in a few

minutes.

A second US Republican Senator has

delivered an attack on President

Trump, accusing him of damaging US

politics. Following Bob Corker, Jeff

Flake criticised his behaviour and

said he would not seek reselection.

We must never meekly accept

the daily sundering of our country,

the personal attacks,

the threats against

principles, freedoms and

institutions, the flagrant disregard

for truth and decency, the reckless

provocations, most often

for the pettiest and

most personal reasons.

All new and refurbished

schools in the UK should be

fitted with sprinklers,

fire chiefs have told the BBC.

Currently, sprinklers are mandatory

in new school buildings

in Scotland and Wales,

but not in England

and Northern Ireland.

Graham Satchell reports.

Fire at Rift House Primary

School in Hartlepool.

It happened on a Sunday

evening last May.

I just saw smoke and then

when I looked over my back garden

fence, it was just fire.

I think I was terrified.

There are around 700 school

fires a year in England.

This one completely destroyed

the nursing building.

Like the vast majority

of schools, 95%, there was no

sprinkler system here.

Fitting sprinklers in

new and refurbished schools is now

mandatory in Scotland and Wales,

not so in England

and Northern Ireland.

Last year, the Department

for Education in England consulted

on new draft guidance.

It said, "Building regulations don't

require the installation

of sprinklers so the guidance

would no longer include

an expectation that most new school

buildings will be fitted with them".

Do you think Grenfell

has changed everything?

Absolutely.

I think it will change everything

and quite rightly so.

Dany Cotton led the Fire Service

response at Grenfell Tower.

She says she was appalled

when the draft guidance

came out last year.

I thought it was outrageous.

I just thought how can we play

with children's lives like that?

I just do not understand why it

wouldn't be made compulsory,

and made a requirement to fit

sprinklers in schools at a new-build

stage and what I don't want to see

is a very large school fire to be

the thing that brings

about that change.

In the days following the fire

at Grenfell Tower, the Government's

draft guidance was withdrawn.

So the current guidance says this,

"All new schools should have fire

sprinklers installed,

except in a few low risk schools".

And yet, figures from

the Government's own schools

building programme show that

of the 260 schools built since 2014,

only 74 have sprinklers, that's 28%.

Typically we don't always fit

sprinklers in schools

because there are other ways

of making sure that

schools are fire safe.

Andrew works for a construction

company that builds new schools

like this just finished

library in London.

With budgets tight, he says schools

can be designed to be low fire

risk with exit routes,

fire doors and re-enforced walls.

I think if there was more money

involved in school buildings I'd be

looking at the need for new school

places around the country,

the bits of the school estate

which are in really poor condition

rather than that sprinklers

was the first call.

Pupils are safe in

their schools today.

Back in Hartlepool, the destroyed

building has been cleared and plans

are being made for its replacement.

When this building is rebuilt,

will it be fitted with sprinklers?

Having seen what fires can

actually do to a school,

without a shadow of a doubt it

would be something that I would be

considering for any future building

work on a school site.

In a statement the Department

for Education in England told us,

"The safety of children

is our priority and where a risk

assessment recommends sprinklers

they must be installed".

Fire chiefs say that's not good

enough and fitting sprinklers

in new schools should now be

mandatory in all parts of the UK.

The social media giant Twitter has

announced new rules about how it

displays political adverts.

The move follows claims

that the platform was used

to try to influence last year's

US presidential election.

Twitter's ads will now clearly

show who funded them,

how much was spent and which users

are being targeted.

Lloyds Banking Group has

seen its pre-tax profits more

than double in the three

months to September.

The bank returned to private

ownership in May, nine years after

it was bailed out by the government

at the height of the financial

crisis.

The Chinese President Xi Jinping has

revealed his new senior

leadership committee.

The five new appointments were made

to the Politburo Standing Committee,

China's most powerful body.

The president has broken

with tradition by not including

an obvious successor,

which has raised questions over how

long Mr Xi intends to rule.

That is a summary of the latest

news. More at 9:30am. Coming up,

could a new approach change how

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Let's get some sport.

Olly Foster is with us this morning.

Lots of football last night, Olly.

A couple of scares for the big clubs

and it doesn't get any

better for Crystal Palace?

It doesn't. They are bottom of the

Premier League. We had six League

Cup matches last night. Fair to say

that it is bottom of most clubs

lists of priorities when it comes to

looking at the whole season. Alice

have bigger fish to fry. They were

up against the Championship side

Bristol city. They lost 4-1. They

took the lead as well. It is easy to

gauge how serious the clubs take

this competition by looking at how

many changes they make from their

last match in the league. Palace

made nine. 12 teams were playing

last night. We added up all of the

changes and 99, would you believe?

Do the maths, just over eight from

each team ahead of the League Cup

matches. Arsenal changed their

entire team against Norwich. They

actually won. It only came after

extra time when they needed their

teenager to bail them out. He got

his first goals for the club, the

equaliser in the last couple of

minutes to take it to extra time and

then the winner. There were wins for

Bournemouth and Leicester, a couple

of other Premier League teams going

through. Manchester United,

remember, they are the League Cup

winners from last season. Jesse

Lingard scored in the Wembley final

and he scored a couple last night at

the liberty stadium as they beat

Swansea to move into the

quarterfinals. It is the first time

he has scored twice in a match,

which I found surprising. Jose

Mourinho's 400th game in English

football as well. 13 years after he

started making waves at Chelsea.

Also last night, leaders Manchester

City needed penalties to get past

the Championship leaders Wolves.

City through, but the manager was

not happy?

No, talking about how

much managers like this competition,

obviously they are at the top of the

Premier League, going great guns in

Europe as well. In the last round,

when they enter the condition, the

called the cup a waste of energy.

You can get into the Europa League

by winning it, but Manchester City

will probably get into the Champions

League anyway, so he let slip what

he thought about it. He had

something curious to say, yes, they

are through, but why was he not

happy? The ball. It is not the ball

Premier League teams use, because it

is the League Cup, it is the one the

Championship, League 1 and League 2

teams use. Not around enough?

Apparently it was too light and did

all sorts of things in the air. Here

he is.

It is unacceptable to play

with the ball. It is not a serious

ball for a professional game. It is

not acceptable for the high level of

the competition.

The players were

complaining, they were talking

about?

The players complained, they

didn't play football. Unfortunately

for you, because it was magnificent

players. I assure you, all of them

say, what is that?

What is that? It is a ball, Pep

Guardiola. They will have to play

with it again in the next round.

Interesting, so, a light ball.

Staying with football, a really nice

story has emerged from last weekend

to do with Huddersfield?

Yes,

Huddersfield, newly promoted, they

beat the mighty Manchester United,

Jose Mourinho's first defeat of the

season, 2-1 to them. Adam Banner who

is five went to the match with his

dad, he found £5 on the floor, his

dad said to him, don't keep what is

not ours so he wrote a letter to one

of the club directors and Aaron Moy

was one of the scorers and he said

he wanted him to keep the £5 because

he played very well and scored.

Apparently Aaron Moy now wants to

meet the little boy and say thank

you, probably give him the fiver

back, I would have thought. The most

remarkable thing, Tina, who write

letters these days? I've never seen

anything like it.

That's a lovely

story. Ollie, thank you very much.

In the next half hour,

the Brexit Secretary will sit down

in front of senior MPs and face

questions about progress

in negotiations with the EU.

David Davies is giving evidence

to the Brexit committee -

amid complaints from EU leaders

that there simply isn't enough

forward motion for them

to move on to trade talks.

Our political correspondent

Ben Wright is in

Westminster for us now.

What can we expect to happen today?

For bands of Brexit related select

committees, today is Christmas.

First we have David Davis and then

we have kissed armour being quizzed

later on. There will then be a

hearing on customs relations after

Brexit this afternoon as well. It

starts with David Davis and the key

question is, he needs to make the

next move to move the deadlocked

breakfast -- Brexit talks on?

Yesterday, Donald Tusk said it was

all down to the UK to move this

forward. There is obviously a big

stopping point about money. The EU

wants the UK to be much clearer

about the amount of money they are

prepared to put on the table before

they will discuss trade. I imagine

that will be one of the key issues

David Davis will be grilled by MPs.

I think he is speaking now.

We would

seek to maintain them. I think I

told you last time there have

already been a considerable number

of discussions with them, the

existing ones, to look at

grandfathering anyway, in any event.

All the big ones, I think, have

said, and this is second down from

Liam Fox, of course, is that they

are interested in doing that. Some

want to improve them but that will

take time. There are also the

comments form by Minister Shinzo Abe

about the future economic

partnership with Japan. They want

that to continue with us and from

Justin Trudeau, the Canadian

arrangement would continue with us

as well.

But would it be us asking

those countries, can we carry on on

this basis or would it be the EU

saying, we are asking for Britain to

be allowed to continue to access

these deals, because that is an

important distinction?

It could be

either or both and that is what my

caveat comes down to. It depends on

the guidelines given to the

commission by the council.

OK. What

happened to the members see the

Common fisheries policy during this

time?

Would we still be bound by it?

Again, that is a negotiating issue.

The problem is they would be quota

setting during that period, so we

have to have a resolution to that.

We have not come to a policy

conclusion.

You haven't come to a

conclusion. Fine. Would we accept

the jurisdiction of the ECJ?

Certainly initially. Their phase is

settling period we say in limitation

period. By the end of it, we want to

be under alternative administration

but we need to talk to the

commission about that.

By the end of

it, you mean at the end of the

limitation period? You would then

move on to the new arrangement which

may have a new court representing

both parties? If you think length of

the implementation period, the EU

has been quite clear...

Michel

Barnier has been clear but we

haven't heard from the council yet.

The point about the next two and a

half months is that the council will

come to its conclusions and the

commission will draw from them.

But

I thought, Secretary of State, you

say we haven't heard from the

council, but I thought the council

was quite clear in its negotiating

guidelines it gave to Michel

Barnier.

In the first round, are you

talking about?

That any period of

transition...

They haven't given an

implementation period guidance yet.

The final one will be in December.

Right, so things like the open skies

agreement, membership of the

aviation authority, or of those

things would continue to operate as

now?

I would expect so.

You would

expect so. That is extremely

helpful. Access to the Schengen

information system, which is vital

to our security?

I would expect all

security and home affairs issues to

continue.

One very specific

question. Do you know yet what fees

would be charged to EU students

starting courses in September 2019?

Would they be home students or

overseas students?

We have at every

turn treated them as home for

purposes of the setting and for

loans, so we treat them as home so

far and I wouldn't see that would

change in 2019.

Thereafter, it

might. That would be very helpful

for universities because they have

deepened their prospectuses next

spring.

Ironically, and forgive me

if I have said it before, it was one

of the miracles of the best August

that we got the Treasury and the

Department for Education to agree to

change those things very rapidly

first thing and thereafter.

I am

sure further miracles will be

required before this process is

over. Can I turn to the timing of

all of this? Because the Prime

Minister seemed to suggest recently

that agreeing the deep and

comprehensive partnership will in

some way have to happen before the

implementation period is agreed.

If

that indeed the case? Yes, what we

are aiming for is the conclusion of

negotiations on all fronts on the

grounds that not everything is

agreed by the end of March 20 19. So

in effect, that is the case. So,

yes, in principle, but she said in

the chamber is correct. Follow the

question on and I will take it from

there.

The Prime Minister appeared

to suggest that deep and competence

partnership would have to come

before the agreement of the

implementation period and this led

to some comment and consternation,

because I think all of us had

assumed it was the other way round.

You get the transition

implementation period first and then

you get...

I am at risk of

misleading you, so let me get it

exactly right. What we are intending

to do is get the form of the

implementation period agreed quickly

in December, but we want to conclude

the overall negotiation, whatever

the outcome might be, by the end of

March 20 19.

Right.

There are a

number of reasons for that. One of

them is, what is the implementation

period taking you towards? Are we

going from where we are now to a

free-trade agreement? Are we going

from where we are now to what you

might call a bare-bones agreement

which is a WTO plus agreement? You

need to know where you are going.

Right, so you would agree and giving

what you have just said, when the

Chancellor gave evidence recently to

the Treasury Select Committee,

described transitional agreement as

a wasting asset, very valuable now,

but by next summer its value to

everybody would diminish

significantly.

He is right. There

are three reasons, it's not an

entirely wasted asset, there are

three reasons for the

instrumentation period. Number one,

not in order of importance, number

one, in order to give the UK

Government longer to put changes in

place. We think we can get all the

critical ones in place by March 2019

but it would give us longer and make

it more reliable. Secondly and

critically, give European countries

time to put in place any structures

they need to put in place, whether

that is new customs arrangements,

new data exchange arrangements,

whatever. And thirdly, and this is

the point that the Chancellor is

making, to give businesses time

after the decision is made on what

the final outcome will be in order

to make any subsequent changes to

their own dispositions. The most

obvious example, American banks who

are the most sensitive to these

things, would not have to make a

decision on worst-case outcome is it

worth today. They would know broadly

what it would be before they need to

move. That is the bit that is a

wasting asset. The longer they have

on that, the more they will feel

they have deep move before knowing

the outcome.

That is why the select

committee observed we thought there

would need to be transitional

arrangements.

May I say, I don't

mean to be critical, you said in the

chamber at one point that she

welcomed the foreign statement

because it showed we were taking the

limitation period seriously. The

notion of an implement Asian period

was aired in the Lancaster house

speech as well. -- the notion of the

limitation period was aired in the

Lancaster house speech as well.

Indeed it was.

You have said you think an agreement

can be made by March 20 19. Do you

really think everything can be done

in 12 months?

Yes. The arguments

against, I will lay them again, but

the arguments against tend to be

that other free-trade agreements are

very different from ours. We start

with identical regulatory

arrangements, we start with an

existing virtually 600 billion euro

trade exchange and all the vested

interests that go with that and the

arrangements that go with that. We

aim to a comprehensive free-trade

agreement which would be tariff

free. The customs agreement that

would follow on from that if we

achieved that would be one whose

primary aim depending on some of the

other components would be on rules

of origin, on identifying and

determining whether rules of origin

required it. The bits of the

agreement which are more regulatory

and more complex tend to be those

which don't fall within the

free-trade arrangement directly.

Issues like aviation service

agreements. Issues like data

exchange. Issues like recognition of

driving licences. Those sorts of

things. Now, that's a very broad

range of issues and we would have to

have a significant number of

simultaneous negotiations going on

on them that they are effectively

independent. They are not

interdependent. These things become

problematic when you have got to do

one before you can do another.

The

Brexit Secretary David Davis taking

questions from the Brexit committee

there. That is likely to go on for

some time. We can go to Ben Wright

who is still with us and who has

been watching. Anything significant

in what we have heard so far, then?

Yes, I think, Tina. They were

rattling through interesting areas

there. Focusing very much on the

question of what the transition

period might look like. These are

the two years or so that will follow

Britain's departure from the EU in

March 2019 and we know the

government is looking for a

standstill agreement which keeps

things pretty much as they are at

the moment although we would be out

of the EU. David Davis was pressed

on what Britain was asking for in

that deal and he could see that

throughout that period, the European

Court of Justice judgments may still

apply to the UK. He said we might

still be members of the common

fisheries policy, he hoped that the

open skies agreement would remain in

place to keep planes taking off from

the UK and going to Europe in the

same way that they do at the moment.

They are looking for continuity bond

that transition agreement although

as David Davies conceded, it is up

to the EU to decide really how they

think that transition period might

work by merrily and they are waiting

for details from the EU which they

hope will come under Samba on that.

They are hoping to get the broad

outline of that transition agreement

agreed early in the New Year, which

is something UK businesses are

desperate to know, but he does also

think that the entire agreement, the

future trade agreement between the

EU and the UK, can be done by the

time Britain leads the EU in March

20 19. I think there are many in

Brussels and here who doubt that,

but David Davis definitely sees this

transition agreement as being part

of the broader discussion of where

the trade relationship between the

two is heading long term. I think

this will be a very interesting

session in the Commons this morning.

There is another Brexit story doing

the rounds involving universities

and a letter?

A Tory MP, Chris

Heaton-Harris, has written to

universities, asking them to give

him details of who in their

departments is teaching Brexit,

European affairs, and asking for

links to the courses that they are

teaching, the syllabus. The latter

emerged yesterday and there was

quite a lot of consternation from

academics, certainly, who ridiculed

him on Twitter. Lord Patten, Chris

Patten, the chairman, head of Oxford

University, was incandescent and

said that it was Leninist idiocy

from Chris Heaton-Harris

said that it was Leninist idiocy

from Chris Heaton-Harris. Today, the

Universities Minister came out to

Spain what was going on. Mr Johnston

said it was not a wise letter to

send, and strongly defended

University freedom. It is right that

Chris, who is a super cerebral

member of Parliament was acting as

an MP, rather than a government

minister or a representative of the

government. And he has a very

long-standing interest in European

affairs, the history of European

thought. I have spoken to him and he

was suing inquiries of his own that

may, in time, leads to a book on

these questions. It was more of an

academic inquiry, rather than an

attempt to constrain the freedom

that academics rightly hold.

So,

saying that it was the actions of an

MP simply curious about how Brexit

was being taught. I think it did

cause a real row yesterday. Now, Jo

Johnson hoping that he has hosed

that down by saying that he didn't

think it should have been sent, but

you should see it in a context of

academic inquiry. We will see if

that is enough to kill the match

off.

Still to come, a new approach being

trialled by Bedfordshire Police to

tackle the growing problem of

cyberstalking. We have had exclusive

access to find out how it will work.

ASP all business owners tell this

programme they have instructed

lawyers to bring criminal

proceedings against RBS, alleging

the bagged afforded -- the bank

defrauded them.

Lets get the latest news.

The Brexit Secretary David Davis

will face scrutiny from MPs shortly.

Mr Davis will be questioned about

developments in the European Union

divorce talks amid claims he has

held up progress

on crucial exit laws.

Follows concerns from EU leaders

that there has not been enough

movement to proceed to the next aid

of talks.

We want to conclude the

overall negotiation, whatever the

outcome may be. We want to do that

by the end of March 2019. There are

a number of reasons for that. One of

them is, what are you implement in,

what is the limitation period? --

what is the implementation period.

Is it going from where we are now to

a free trade agreement, to a

bare-bones agreement, WTO plus

agreements on the fundamentals like

aviation? We need to know where we

go.

MPs are beginning an inquiry

into e-cigarettes, amid concerns

there are significant gaps in what

is known about them and how they are

regulated. The Science And

Technology Committee will cut

effectiveness in stopping smoking

and impact on health. Nearly 3

million people in the UK now vape

regularly, four times more than

2012.

More than half of all British women

have suffered sexual harassment

at work or their place of study,

according to a survey

by BBC Radio 5 Live.

Nearly 70% of those questioned said

they had not reported it. The survey

of 2000 adults also found a fifth of

men have been sexually harassed.

An electrician from Stirling

who was facing three months

in prison in Dubai for public

indecency has spoken of his relief

at returning home to the UK.

Jamie Harron was sentenced

for touching a man's

hip in a crowded bar,

but freed after Dubai's

ruler intervened.

Let's get the sport now.

The Premier League's bottom club

Crystal Palace were beaten by

Championship side Bristol City

in the league cup.

Arsenal needed extra

time to get past

Norwich, Manchester City beat

Championship leaders

Wolves on penalties.

Manchester United, the cup holders,

are through to the quarterfinals

after beating Swansea 2-0.

Jesse Lingaard scored twice.

leicester and Bournemouth also

reached the last 8 last

night.

There were three matches in

the Scottish Premiership last night.

Hibs the only winners.

1-0 in the Edinburgh

derby against Hearts.

Simon Murray the goalscorer.

British Cycling says the "door

is open" for former sprinter

Jess Varnish to return to the sport.

She made allegations of bullying and

sexual discrimination. He was found

to have used sexist language.

And England's women cricketers

are getting ready for the second

match in their Ashes series

against Australia which gets under

way early tomorrow morning our time.

They narrowly lost

their first match.

We will hear from the England

cricketers after ten.

New economic growth

figures are just out -

and they'll have a significant

impact on the Bank of England

decision on interest rates

which we're expecting next week.

Let's talk to our economics

correspondent Andy Verity -

he's got the latest.

Can you explain these figures and

what impact they might have on

interest rates and the pound?

The

first headline is that we have 0.4%

growth in the first quarter of the

year. That is more than most

economists were expecting. We were

expecting it would be 0.3%. That is

positive. If you look at the gross

domestic product per head, dividing

everything we produce in the whole

economy by the number of people in

it, it has grown by 0.3%. That is

good news, it means that the amount

we each produce is growing and that

employers might be able to pay a

wage that goes up faster than

inflation, at least in future. It is

all upbeat signs. It makes it more

likely that the Bank of England is

going to raise interest rates back

to the 0.5% level next month.

Remember, that is still an emergency

level. It is the lowest level in 300

years. But it does mean for the

first time in more than a decade

that we are likely to get a rise in

interest rates. Interesting

dimension is to this, although

services have done well, computer

games were selling well, if you look

at production it was up, that is

mining and the oil industry. But

construction, the sad story there.

That is in recession. We have had

two quarters of economic shrinkage

in construction. That does not bode

well for the future of the

construction sector.

And the increase in cyberstalking,

which can be anything

from sending too many texts,

to leaving nasty messages

on your social media pages.

For some people, it takes 100

different pieces of that type

of stalking before they'll even

consider going to the police.

And when they get there,

their problem isn't

always taken seriously.

Well, Bedfordshire Police

and the National Centre

for Cyberstalking Research

are putting together a three

step programme to help

victims from when they go

to report their experience,

right through to

rehabilitating the offender.

Our reporter Chi Chi Izundu's

been looking into this.

And we just have to warn

you that there is some language

in the film which some viewers

might find offensive.

I met my ex through

a friend of a friend.

He was known as being quite

a successful, happy, funny kind of

guy, who people seemed to like.

This is Helen.

It's not her real

name or real voice.

But her story is very true.

The relationship for the first

year was really good.

We had lots of fun.

He met my family.

And everything appeared

as if it was going really well.

And then slowly things

started to deteriorate and

there was sort of, now I look back,

subtle signs that actually all

wasn't as well as it first appeared.

"To create fear, distress

and disrupt the daily activities of

another person" - that is stalking.

Official Home Office

stats are quite sketchy.

That's because most people don't

actually go and report it.

And when it comes to

online stalking, the

numbers are even smaller.

Less than 10% go to the police.

The National Stalking

Helpline say so far this

year they have responded to more

than 2500 calls and e-mails

from victims.

Come Christmas, they are expecting

that number to have doubled.

I suppose one of the most prevalent

sources of stalking is when a

relationship breaks down.

There was some research recently

that said that about 80% of

people after break-ups still check

into your account through a friend's

account, even if they have been

blocked on Facebook, to see what you

are up to.

It was horrific.

It was the only way

I could describe it.

So from then on, for the next few

weeks, I was receiving calls,

e-mails, texts, nonstop.

One day there was 457 text messages.

So these text messages

were absolutely vile

in nature, very abusive.

He called me a slag.

How dare I end this?

Nobody would want me.

The next message would

be begging for me to

take him back, to give him a chance.

These phone calls, texts,

e-mails, went on and on.

I didn't respond to any of them.

So then he started texting

and e-mailing and calling my family.

It then progressed onto he posted

on social media, sort of

like a lonely hearts column.

But it was about me.

It was very vulgar in nature.

In them he advertised that I had

sexually transmitted infections,

which was untrue.

He advertised the fact I had

HIV, which was untrue.

Dr Emma Short is the director

for the National Centre

for Cyberstalking Research

at the University of Bedfordshire.

She says stalkers are using

sophisticated methods like

hacking computers and phones to get

information on their victims.

It just doesn't stop.

It's about the fact

it just doesn't stop.

And even if the content

of those messages is

quite banal, it's just an attempt to

have a relationship or to meet you,

or to get more

information about you.

It's very intimidating when people

just don't see the stop signs.

People told me he'd actually

screenshot some of the things he'd

done and send it to me.

Almost like a trophy -

"Look what I've done."

Because even though I'd blocked him

on my phone, I wasn't sure how

to block him on e-mail.

That was the time I decided I needed

to go to the police.

Victims of harassment

and stalking in England

and Wales are being left at risk...

..because of failings

by police and prosecutors.

Later on we are going to hear

from one woman who was

stalked over a period of five years.

In that time she made

more than 125 complaints

to the police, who did little.

Back in July, police and prosecutors

in England and Wales

were heavily criticised

by the Inspectorate of Constabulary

and the Crown Prosecution

Service Inspectorate.

A report found too many

investigations were poorly run

and failed to give victims legal

protection, leaving them at risk.

When I first went to the police,

initially they were quite

responsive, and they looked

at the information I gave them

and agreed it wasn't acceptable.

And they said they were

going to speak to him.

Now for me in that

position, them going

to speak to him wasn't

the best thing.

But I was glad they

were doing something.

Not once was stalking

mentioned to me.

Not even though all of

these phone calls and

approaching family members

and friends were still going on.

Plus the social media postings.

Plus him driving past my work,

driving past my house.

Even when I was with one

of the police officers he was

repeatedly driving past

my house, and stalking

was never mentioned to me.

So he received a caution and he

breached his condition by again

posting things on social media.

He tried to communicate

with me directly.

It was at this point

when I was going back to the police

repeatedly, I felt I wasn't

really listened to.

I was getting comments

from the police officer such as,

"Well, he is from a nice family,

can't you ignore the Facebook stuff?

Ask your friends not to show

it to you any more."

And advising me not

to use social media.

That was the response

I got from the police.

There were times and I was ringing

the nonemergency line to report

things that were happening.

Sometimes I would have

to wait up to two weeks,

in some cases usually around five

to seven days, for an appointment.

"Not acceptable" -

that is how this report described

experiences like Helen's, even

when it came to going to the police.

Victim blaming and the number

of prosecutions were all criticised.

But Dr Short is working with

Bedfordshire Police on a three step

programme to try and change this.

Firstly, front line officers will

get a risk assessment at the first

point of a complaint.

Secondly, helping victims record

abuse via a special app.

And thirdly, tackling

the behaviour itself.

Other forces will be

watching with interest.

One of the things that we

think is a necessary

gap to fill at the moment is a quick

response from people who are not

IT advanced.

To understand when someone reports

a case, what constitutes

a higher risk than others.

And it's very hard.

If you aren't online

yourself, but also if you're

listening to a phone call

with someone who perhaps isn't

communicating the level, they are

just communicating the content, it's

very hard to assess.

Emma and her team have

written specific questions

with front line officers

to determine the level of risk a

stalker could potentially

pose to evict them.

On average it takes about three

months before somebody

will go to the police, roughly.

And they tend to put up

with about a hundred

bits of behaviour -

so, a hundred texts,

a hundred e-mails,

a hundred approaches.

So that first trip to

the police station, where

you actually report this comment

is crucial, because the response

you get from the police officers,

if that is negative,

or they trivialise it,

you may not go back again.

Some cases have often

been described as

murder in slow motion.

Professionals often talk

about stalking as the

only crime a victim has

to collect their own evidence.

Dr Short and her team

are hoping this special app

can help with that.

When I, as the victim,

get the app, can you explain

how it works?

OK, so once you get the app...

Victims deemed as media risk

will have to get a special

login code before they are given

access to the app, and they will

only get that a front line

officers think they should.

Evidence is things

like phone calls, screen

shots, videos, sound recordings.

It also captures

the meta data, so the

information of coding

behind the messages -

websites, videos -

and that all can be

used to help police

track down the offender.

And we can start recording

the screen and they

can navigate away from the app.

We are going to be

recording everything

that is happening on the screen.

So if we open another app,

we're going to be capturing this.

Stop record.

There we go.

There is a screenshot.

We have now attached

that to our package.

Once you've got it all,

you can make notes to say how this

particular evidence has affected us.

Then you can upload it.

So if the phone is lost, stolen

or tampered with, that data

is preserved,

the evidence is preserved.

Each piece of evidence gathered goes

directly to a police

database, so officers can build up

the severity of the case.

This is someone who

is putting time and

investment and hours

into causing and distress.

At that point you are looking

at someone who has become fixated.

And that is the highest end of risk.

I can't even go into our local

town or supermarket,

because he is well known

where we live and people like him.

But when I walked into

the supermarket a few

weeks after it happened, I noticed

people who were looking at me,

making comments.

I knew these were

people who knew him.

That was really, really

tough to live through.

But the problem about securing

convictions still remains.

For Detective Inspector

Chris Beresford, it

isn't just about the punishment.

It is also about

treating the behaviour.

The third piece of work

is a restorative justice space

outcome, so that we can

deal with the offenders

for cyberstalking and harassing,

and we can address why

they are committing crimes,

try to get to bottom of them

understanding the actual massive

impact their crimes

have on their victims.

And that job could fall to Dr Frank

Farnham, a consultant

forensic psychiatrist, who is part

of the UK's only stalking

rehabilitation centre.

Whether rehabilitation

is possible though,

is a different matter.

There are some

individuals who are so

entrenched and ingrained

in their behaviour,

they will not make a change.

And you have to accept the fact

it's going to be a group that

will not want to engage

in treatment at all.

But this is a behaviour that

the offenders reoffend at such a

high rate, that even if you make

a small change in the reoffending

rate, that would be

quite a lot of offending

that you would be changing.

It made me feel

like I was worthless.

I'm sort of a very strong,

independent, bubbly sort of person.

I try to see the best of everything.

That situation was the hardest

thing I've ever had to go

through, and I was

very angry at him.

I was determined I was

going to get through it.

After 10, we'll be speaking

to a victim of cyberstalking

and a police and crime commissioner

who wants to change her force's

response to stalking victims.

A group of small business owners

have exclusively told this programme

they have instructed barristers

to bring criminal proceedings

against RBS - alleging

the bank defrauded them

and caused their businesses to fail.

The Financial Conduct Authority

is already considering whether it

can take action against RBS after it

published a summary of its report

on the bank's controversial

Global Restructuring Group.

The group was found to have

"widespread" mistreatment

of customers with the FCA report

identifying that 92% of viable

businesses handled by GRG suffered

"inappropriate action".

RBS said it has acknowledged

failings and has apologised

for its mistakes.

In recent days, the Royal Bank

of Scotland's past treatment of its

small and medium-sized business

customers has come under fresh

scrutiny.

So what's it all about?

Well, back in 2014, the businessman

and former government adviser,

Lawrence Tomlinson, alleged

that the bank had deliberately

wrecked small businesses

to make profit, prompting

a review by the regulator

of the Financial Conduct Authority.

On Monday, an interim

report published

by the FCA did identify a number

of failings by the bank,

such as interest charges

being raised inappropriately,

and unnecessary

fees being added.

The report said that 92%

of potentially viable

businesses faced instances

of inappropriate treatment by the

Global Restructuring Group,

the division of RBS that dealt with

struggling firms.

It also said that RBS had

failed to handle customer

complaints fairly, and failed

to support businesses in a way that

made industry standards.

The unit was said to

have been insensitive,

dismissive and sometimes unduly

aggressive towards struggling

business owners.

But RBS said that some

of the most serious allegations

against the bank were not

upheld by the regulator,

and that the way the bank operator

has been completely

changed since the alleged

mistreatment took place.

The bank has put

aside £400 million to

compensate small businesses,

but the FCA has warned RBS may

face further action.

With many small businesses

still awaiting compensation

payments, the bank is still very far

from being in the clear.

The Financial Conduct Authority has

said it might take further action

over the way the Royal Bank of

Scotland mistreated some small

business customers. But does that go

far enough? Some of those small

business customers have exclusively

told this programme may have

addressed lawyers.

Let's talk now to Neil Mitchell.

He's leading the group of business

owners who've been affected

by the Global Restructuring Group.

Also Bill Esterson, Labour's Shadow

Business Minister who has called

for a judge-led inquiry,

and Clive May - his

bricklaying business went

into liquidation as a result

of GRG.

Brill, you have been pretty clear

that you want to judge that enquiry

into this.

How wide-ranging should

it be? People lost their businesses,

family life was torn apart and in

some cases, people took their lives,

so we have to get to the bottom of

what happened. We have got to

establish the whole truth and back

can only happen with the judge

leading quietly. I have also got

people coming to meet from other

banks who have experienced similar

unacceptable inappropriate treatment

and that is why a judge needs to

look at this filly, so that we can

repair the damage and move on so

that trust can be re-established

between smaller businesses and the

banks. Look, you quoted the report.

Something in the full report, the

BBC have already reported, this was

part of an intended, co-ordinated

strategy and management really, if

they didn't know, they certainly

should have known what was going on

and what we have seen so far is a

good step forward. We need to see

the full report and it will only be

with a full judge led enquiry that

we will get to the bottom of this,

and this culture of inappropriate

treatment, of putting profit first

ahead of the lives and livelihoods

of business people up and down the

land.

The Royal Bank of Scotland

have apologised, they have set aside

£440 million that have already given

at £100 billion whether

compensation. You don't think that

goes far enough?

No, because -- £100

million worth of compensation. You

don't think that goes far enough?

No, because people want justice,

confirmation of what was done to

them. The report talks about

distressed businesses being taken

into this group but we have to look

at why these businesses were

distressed. I know of businesses

where their overdraft facilities

were stopped overnight, they

couldn't repay it and that is why

they became distressed and went into

the global restructuring group in

the first place. We have got to get

the whole thing out there, clean up

what happened in the past and make

sure it cannot carry on, because I

have also got people telling us it

is still going on today at more than

one bank. We have got to get to the

bottom of it and I think a judge is

the only way of doing that.

Where do

you stand on criminal proceedings?

The police are already looking at

this. I think that is highly

significant.

Significant, but what

do you think in terms of criminal

proceedings?

I think when there is

an investigation going on, it is

inappropriate for me to comment

further but I think it shows that

things are happening. We have got a

police investigation, lawyers being

instructed and I think that is part

of building a full picture of what

happened.

I think it is about

whether it is appropriate to go down

that route because there are

questions around motive, was there a

native or was it poor management?

Are we talking about dishonesty or

mismanagement?

The report has said

this was part of a co-ordinated

strategy and that tells me and I

think it tells everyone there is a

need to get this out in the open

with full disclosure.

Do you think,

as you have said, many people's

lives have been ruined, people have

taken their own lives, do you think

individuals involved should be held

accountable?

Absolutely and that is

why the full truth has to come out.

We have got to establish exactly

what happened beyond any reasonable

doubt will stop at the moment, we've

got partial disclosure with this

interim report. The full report

needs to come out as well. The

interim report's author has called

for the full report to be published.

That has got to happen, too.

So this

isn't just a truth seeking exercise?

Criminal investigations would be

necessary as well.

That isn't for me

to say. Before we have a clear

picture, we can't move forward, we

can't access finance properly in

this country. John McDonald talked

about maybe using RBS as a way to

set up a network of regional

development banks, using our

national investment bank model and

maybe that's what needs to come out

of this, but that is further down

the line, that is one option. The

reality is that this has all got to

come out because what has happened

to thousands and thousands of people

and businesses is just plain wrong

and it has got to be sorted out.

OK,

I want to bring you kneel next. You

represent a lot of people you have

been affected by this. Can you tell

us what you are planning in terms of

legal action?

We are planning to

raise a private criminal prosecution

on the basis that there has been a

failure of the state to investigate.

We learned last week that police in

Scotland are investigating a number

of cases. RBS are trying to minimise

it, saying it is only one. It is a

number. I am also aware that police

forces in Belfast, Manchester and

North Wales are looking into cases.

Neither police force, the City of

London Police or the Met police in

the London bubble are investigating

any cases at all. We believe this is

a failure of the state to

investigate RBS so we are now

launching a private criminal

prosecution with 11 case examples

and we will be presenting that to a

magistrate very shortly.

RBS has

admitted fault, they have set aside

money to compensate people, to

compensate victims. What more do you

want for yourself and others

affected?

I want to see, as Bill

says, a judge led enquiry or even

evil and wider public enquiry. We

need to have evil regulators report

published -- we need to have the

full regulators report published so

that thousands and thousands of

British businesses, their families

and their employees can see justice

done, and then we need compensation

and it's not £300 million. This is a

multi-billion pound problem and that

is why the bank are trying to

minimise it.

All right, I need to

try to bring in Clive. Live, you ran

a successful bricklaying business.

Tell us what happened to you.

Back

in 2010, the bank decided we were in

a sector they weren't interested in

so they decided in my case to use a

government scheme, the enterprise

Finance guarantee scheme, to repay

off a large portion their debt,

which was originally designed to

safeguard jobs in the downturn. In

the background, they were planning

on cutting our overdraft further so

our overdraft was cut from 245,000,

which had never been breached, down

to 20,000. Now, the Davis government

scheme was drawn down, we were put

into RBS's distressed part of the

bank, so we were a viable business

that were artificially distressed by

RBS.

What do you want to happen?

Well, what I want to happen is that

people, you touched on it, is it

incompetence or dishonesty? Back in

December last year we discovered

that in the case of global

restructuring group West register,

the property group of RBS, in flow

charts, in e-mails and in

registration, and in particular in a

manual in 2011, they were

instructing all staff upon seizure

of S M E assets, they would send out

a victory e-mail. Now consider the

victory you now and then consider

the family that contacted me and

said that their loved one killed

himself, sorry...

That's OK, take

your time.

Leading two daughters,

five and seven, because they were

absolutely gutted to find out that

when their loved one was taking

their life, RBS worth sending out

victory e-mails. Sorry about this.

No, take your time. It's a difficult

thing to talk about and we

appreciate you taking the time.

Given how upsetting it is for you to

talk about this for yourself and for

others you have heard of, what do

you want to happen?

I want to see

individuals brought to account.

In

my particular case... We can't name

individuals here, I just need to say

that.

I won't name anyone, but the

bank had to clarify in my case that

there were no assets available. I

was told to delete assets from an

asset and liability statement and

later on they told me I was asked to

do that because it was inherited by

my wife is due to the death of one

of her relatives. Nobody had died.

Now is that incompetence of is

They are inventing deaths in

people's family. If I could touch

upon the CEO of the FCA, Andrew

Bailey, when this was brought to his

attention, his response was perhaps

your file got mixed up with somebody

else's.

He is not here to defend

himself, so we are not going to go

down that route. I just want to

know, have you managed to rebuild

your life? Are you in business at

the moment?

Rebuilding it very

slowly, we managed to pick ourselves

off the ground. That is what SMEs in

the UK do. They are the driving

factor of the economy. You dust

yourself off. But this experience

for the last five years, nearly six

years, has taken its toll. How do

you rebuild a business?

Incidentally, in my case, I left

school with no qualifications. Ended

up building a business and having

100 people turning over £3.5

million. How do you rebuild that at

this time of your life?

Difficult, I

know, difficult to speak about this

when it is obviously still very

distressing for you. We appreciate

you coming on. Now it is time to get

the latest weather update.

Good morning. For many it has been a

lovely start to the day. We have had

a decent sunrise. Pretty decent

weather watcher photos being sent in

as well. Lovely blue skies in

Cheshire. The far south-east of

England, still holding on a bit of

cloud around. This is Dorset at the

moment. That cloud across the south

and east will tend to disappear.

Even here you will get some

sunshine. Fair weather cloud

developing into the afternoon,

across the far north of Scotland is

to be quite breezy with some showers

coming in towards the West of

Scotland. Towards eastern Scotland,

through southern areas, largely dry

and bright. Temperatures of 12 or 13

degrees. Sunny spells for Northern

Ireland and through much of England

and Wales during this afternoon. A

fine afternoon for most of us.

Temperatures potentially up to 19 or

maybe 20 degrees in the south-east,

way above the average for the time

of year. In the south-west of

England you will notice a bit more

cloud starting to move back in. We

still have this weather front

situated across southern areas which

will move further northwards

tonight. That will bring outbreaks

of rain across Wales, into the

Midlands, keeping temperatures in

double figures. Further north across

Scotland, temperatures potentially

down into single figures. So,

Thursday, for Scotland and Northern

Ireland, dry for most with some

sunshine. A few showers in the

north-west. For England and Wales,

it will be a cloudy day compared to

today and there will be light and

patchy rain affecting the likes of

Lancashire, towards Humberside, and

further south, despite the cloud,

there could be a few breaks to give

us a bit of sunshine. Again, pretty

one. By Friday, that weather front

will be moving back southwards

again. As it does so, it will bring