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Hello. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
It's Friday, it's 9
o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
welcome to the programme | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
A cyber attack that crippled parts
of the NHS back in May could have | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
been avoided if certain security
measures had been in place. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:23 | |
A report into the incident
that froze computers, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
causing operations to be cancelled,
says that the health | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
service was just not
prepared for an attack. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:33 | |
In some cases, organisations had to
resort to telephone, paper and pen, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:41 | |
apps such as WhatsApp in terms of
communicating with others. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
We'll be speaking to the man
who was in charge of overseeing | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
cyber security for the NHS
in England at half past ten. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
Young people who need mental health
care are waiting too long | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
for their treatment -
the commission that monitors care | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
provision says that treatment varies
considerably according | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
to where people live and that some
children are waiting up to 18 | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
months for treatment. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
The young people that I visit when I
work as an independent mental health | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
advocate on an adolescent board, and
families say to me if they have | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
their help earlier they would not
have been in that position, they | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
would not be in hospital. We will
hear from some people about their | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
experiences of accessing mental
health services at 9.15. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
The wait isn't quite over -
as the files about the assassination | 0:01:26 | 0:01:33 | |
of American president
John F Kennedy are released. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
Donald Trump delays | 0:01:35 | 0:01:36 | |
some of the more sensitive case
notes after requests | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
from the CIA and FBI. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
Hello, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
welcome to the programme,
we're live until 11 this morning. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
Have you had any experiences,
good or bad, trying to access mental | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
health care for children
and young people? | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
We are talking about that
and also later in the show | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
we are going to talk about the rules
around sharing details | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
of crimes people committed
when they were children and how | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
they should or should not be shared
around with prospective employers. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
Do get in touch on all the stories
we're talking about this morning - | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
use the hashtag #Victorialive
and If you text, you will be charged | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
at the standard network rate. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
Our top story today... | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
An investigation into the
cyberattack that brought down parts | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
of the NHS in May has found that it
could have been prevented if basic | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
security measures had been in place. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:29 | |
The National Audit Office says
that the health service wasn't | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
prepared for the attack,
which saw criminals freeze computers | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
and demand a ransom. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:35 | |
It calls on the NHS to develop
a clear plan to deal | 0:02:35 | 0:02:41 | |
with future threats. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
Here's our Technology
Correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
It was an attack which froze
computers around the world. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
But the NHS was among
the organisations worst affected | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
and the National Audit Office says
it was ill-prepared. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
The report details the impact
of the worst ever cyber attack | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
on the health service. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
81 health trusts across England
were affected, a third of the total. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
It's thought over 19,000
appointments ended up | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
being cancelled, including 139
potential cancer referrals. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:13 | |
What planning there had been to deal
with a cyberattack just hadn't | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
filtered down to the hospitals. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
Some work had been done
on a national cyber response plan | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
in the NHS, but that hadn't been
well communicated to all of those | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
local bodies and in some cases
organisations had to resort | 0:03:25 | 0:03:34 | |
to telephone, and paper and pen,
and apps such as WhatsApp in terms | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
of communicating with others. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
Those hospitals which saw computers
infected by the malicious software | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
had ignored instructions to install
a security patch which would | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
have protected them. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
Now the NHS says lessons
have been learned. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
We have been getting
our act together. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:52 | |
We are getting our act together. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
We're putting funding in. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:55 | |
We're putting education in. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
We're rolling out the programmes
that were in place before this | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
attack and we will continue
to improve over time. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
There are more serious cyber
attackers waiting to strike. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
Hospital trusts are warning
the government they may | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
need to spend more money
to strengthen their defences. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
Rory Cellan-Jones, BBC News. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
Our Technology Correspondent Rory
Cellan-Jones is with me. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
Just explain what measures are in
place now to make sure this doesn't | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
happen again. Well, across the NHS
people have been told to get their | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
act together and the key thing here
is to respond when NHS Digital, the | 0:04:30 | 0:04:38 | |
Central organisation, sends out
warning is instructing people to | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
upgrade their computers with a
security patch. The key thing that | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
went wrong here is that there was a
warning in March and April, fix your | 0:04:43 | 0:04:49 | |
Windows computer systems with this
patch and you should be safe. If the | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
hospitals had done that, and
obviously lots of them did, they | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
would have been protected. But they
didn't. The other thing is having a | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
plan that filters down from the top
to every local hospital. That is | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
what didn't happen here. There was
some kind of plan, it was never | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
rehearsed. When disaster struck,
people didn't know what to do. They | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
didn't know who to call, for
instance. Is it clear why the | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
hospitals didn't do the upgrade they
were warned about a few months | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
before? This is a problem in lots of
organisations, frankly. There are | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
security patches coming out almost
on a daily basis. The threats are | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
there, new threats every day. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:38 | |
Organisations find it difficult to
have the resources in place, the | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
people in place, and the agency to
do that. But I think this has been a | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
wake-up call to lots of them. I was
reading that this could have been | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
far worse, if it had happened in the
middle of winter? It was a Friday in | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
May, not a particularly busy time.
If it happened on a Monday in | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
winter, the knock-on effect would
have been much worse. But they have | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
been warned by the National Audit
Office that there are worse threats | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
out there. This was a particularly
unsophisticated attack. A much more | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
sophisticated attack could cause a
lot more damage. They have got to | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
shore up their defences. Thank you
for coming by. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
Vicki Young is in the BBC
Newsroom with a summary | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
of the rest of the days news. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
A Government ordered review
of mental health services | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
for children in England has found
that thousands of children | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
are not getting the support
they need, when they need it. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
Inspectors from the Care Quality
Commission concluded services | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
were too fragmented
and hard to access. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
Our health correspondent
Rob Sissons reports. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
Alice battled anorexia
throughout her teenage years. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
She waited around six months
for a mental health assessment | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
and to get specialist treatment,
she was told she'd have to travel | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
100 miles from her home. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
She's concerned some young people
are still waiting too long. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
We're talking about young people
with mental health problems that | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
are so distressed with their own
minds that they don't even know how | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
they're going to get through the day
and to then turn around to them | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
and ask them to wait, you know, six,
12, 18 months for the help | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
that they desperately need
is incredibly distressing. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:09 | |
The Care Quality Commission report
suggests 39% of specialist community | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
services need improving. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
It warns services are too fragmented
and a more joined-up | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
approach is needed. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
The report highlights evidence that
one in four children who needed care | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
were unable to access it. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
The commission warns children's
lives may be being put at risk | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
because of the failings. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
Suicide is one of the leading causes
of death in young people. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:36 | |
What we do know is that
waiting a long time, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
or not being able to access
a service when you need it, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
inherently increases the risk. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
Alice welcomes the Government's
promised to invest an extra £1.4 | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
billion into children's mental
health services over | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
the next four years. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
The Care Quality Commission has
revealed the scale of the problems. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
Its next piece of work
will be to come up with | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
some detailed solutions. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:00 | |
Rob Sissons, BBC News. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
And in the next few minutes we'll be
speaking to the families of children | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
who have had to face long delays
for mental health treatment. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
Spain's political crisis is likely
to deepen today if - as expected - | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
the Senate backs a plan
by the central government to remove | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
some powers from the autonomous
region of Catalonia and to take over | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
the running of its institutions. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Madrid wants to reassert control
by triggering an article | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
in the Spanish constitution that's
designed to prevent regions | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
from breaking away. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
But it's thought the Catalan
Parliament may respond | 0:08:31 | 0:08:32 | |
by declaring independence. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:33 | |
Andrew Plant reports | 0:08:33 | 0:08:39 | |
27 days after this crisis started,
each day, crowds have gathered, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
speeches have been made,
and each day, an agreement has | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
seemed further away. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
On one side, Catalonia
considering declaring independence | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
and on the other, Spain
considering taking back control. | 0:08:54 | 0:09:00 | |
On Thursday, Catalonian president
Carles Puigdemont could have | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
declared independence,
which would have angered | 0:09:02 | 0:09:03 | |
the Spanish government. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
Or he could've backtracked,
which would have angered | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
his own supporters. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Instead, he did neither. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
TRANSLATION: My responsibility
as president of Catalonia | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
was to exhaust all
the options available. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
What we need is
de-escalation and dialogue. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
But once again, I have not had
a satisfactory reply | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
from the Spanish government. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
Spain's national government
could now vote to take | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
away his control. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
TRANSLATION: Launching article 155
of the constitution, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
which will affect Catalonia's
autonomy, is the last resort. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
It's the only way to restore
legality, tolerance, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
democracy, and economic
stability to Catalonia. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:49 | |
This is all the fault
of the Catalan president. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
Today, the Spanish senate will vote
on unravelling Catalonia's powers - | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
something which has
never been done before. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
That much is clear,
but the future is not. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
The question - what will happen
here if Spain strips away | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
Catalonia's regional powers? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
The answer - no-one really knows
the repercussions might be. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
Andrew Plant, BBC News. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
Australia's High Court has
ruled that the country's | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
deputy prime minister,
Barnaby Joyce, should be | 0:10:23 | 0:10:24 | |
disqualified from office
because he held dual | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
citizenship when elected. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
The verdict has cost the Australian
government its one-seat majority | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
in parliament and a by-election
will now be held in December. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
Four other politicians have also
been ruled ineligible | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
to remain in parliament. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
French scientists say patients
who have heart surgery | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
in the afternoon are less likely
to suffer complications than those | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
who are treated in the morning. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
Their research - published
in The Lancet medical journal - | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
argues that the body clock makes
the heart stronger during | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
the afternoon than in the morning,
and it's more able to withstand | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
the rigours of surgery. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
President Trump has declassified
almost 3,000 documents related | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
to the assassination
of John F Kennedy in 1963. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
But he decided to to keep hundreds
of other files secret, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
at least for the time being,
at the request of security agencies. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:17 | |
Mr Trump had earlier indicated
that all of the files | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
would be made public,
as Peter Bowes reports. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:26 | |
Page after page, previously
top-secret documents, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
many of them handwritten,
from the investigation | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
into the assassination
of John F Kennedy. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:37 | |
It was November 22, 1963
when Lee Harvey Oswald shot | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
the president as he was travelling
in an open top limousine in Dallas. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:46 | |
ARCHIVE: It appears as though
something has happened | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
in the motorcade route. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
The official investigation concluded
that Oswald had acted alone. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
ARCHIVE: President Kennedy
has been assassinated. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
It is official now -
the President is dead. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
But more than 50 years later,
many Americans find it difficult | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
to believe the official
version of what happened. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
Conspiracy theorists think
information could have been withheld | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
to avoid embarrassing
government agencies. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
Historians, journalists,
and legal scholars are now poring | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
over the almost 3,000
documents just released, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
searching for clues
and discrepancies in the official | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
story on new facts to back it up. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
Several hundred documents are being
held back for further scrutiny. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:30 | |
There will be a six-month
review period after | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
the CIA and FBI expressed
concern about their content. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
It's a move that will only fuel
the conspiracy theories. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
A UN-backed report has concluded
the Syrian government was behind | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
a chemical attack on the town
of Khan Sheikhoun earlier this year | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
which killed about 90 people. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:51 | |
Investigators said the nerve agent
sarin was dropped from an aircraft. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
Syria has previously
denied responsibility. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
In Thailand, the new king has
collected fragments of bone | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
from the cremated remains
of his father, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
the late King Bhumibol. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
The ritual is part of the 5-day
funeral that's brought | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
the nation to a standstill. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
The relics will be placed in golden
urns to be transported in procession | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
to the Grand Palace later today. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
At least four people have been
killed and dozens injured | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
in violence surrounding Kenya's
second presidential | 0:13:20 | 0:13:21 | |
election in three months. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
Less than half of eligible voters
cast a ballot yesterday, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
far lower than the 80% who voted
in the original election in August | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
when President Kenyatta
was declared the winner. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
Opposition leaders had
called for a boycott | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
of the poll amid claims
of voting irregularities. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
The voice of Pope Francis has been
heard in the heavens as he made | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
a video call from the Vatican
to astronauts aboard | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
the International Space Station. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
His 20 minute call to the crew
included questions about love, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
life in zero gravity,
and what makes them happy | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
whilst they're in orbit. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
We can see the peace and serenity
of our planet as it goes around | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
at ten kilometres a second,
and there's no borders, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
there is no conflict. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
It's just peaceful and you see
the thinness of the atmosphere | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
and it makes you realise how
fragile our existence here is. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
That is a summary of the latest BBC
News. There will be more at 9.30. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
Do get in touch with us
throughout the morning - | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
use the hashtag #VictoriaLive
and if you text, you will be charged | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
at the standard network rate. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
Let's get some sport
with John Watson. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
In the next hour, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:51 | |
the Rugby League World Cup will get
under way in Melbourne. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
England have the daunting task
of facing reigning champions | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
Australia in that opening game. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:05 | |
Some are they confident? I think so,
it could not have been a tough | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
start, you have to factor that into
the equation. They are getting the | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
tournament under way in about an
hour's time. They are regarded as | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
one of the favourites for the trophy
but they have had a terrible run | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
against Australia. They have not
beaten them since the opening match | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
of the 1995 World Cup. It has been a
long winless run. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
But they have some great players. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
Sam Burgess we know. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
The last World Cup he played
in was for England in the ill fated | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
Rugby Union version two years ago. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
He plays his club Rugby League back
in Australia now, in the NRL. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
One of seven or eight players
who play their club rugby | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
in Australia, so they should know
what to expect. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
We have all dreamt about winning the
World Cup, certainly. The players in | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
the squad, you need the ambition, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
World Cup, certainly. The players in
the squad, you need the ambition, or | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
you need the want to be able to go
and win the World Cup. You're not | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
just going to sit around and not
think about it and then it then | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
happen. You have to visualise it. To
remain focused, you then have to | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
bring yourself back into day that we
face and be present and understand | 0:16:10 | 0:16:16 | |
what it takes to win a competition,
what it takes to win games. That is | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
where our mindset is at the moment.
14 teams involved, including | 0:16:20 | 0:16:27 | |
Scotland and Wales, so tell us how
it will unfold. 14 teams split | 0:16:27 | 0:16:33 | |
across four groups. Three host
countries, Wales, Scotland and | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
Ireland also feature, representing
the home nations. Wales are up | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
against co-hosts Papua New Guinea
tomorrow. This is them arriving a | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
pretty awesome reception, I think
it's fair to say. It will be pretty | 0:16:45 | 0:16:51 | |
hot there and it is the national
sport in Papua New Guinea, so they | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
can expect a hostile reception, I
think it's fair to say. Ireland also | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
take them on in their first match in
the coming days as well. Scotland | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
have a tough test against New
Zealand. But they have a good chance | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
of reaching the knockout stages.
They managed to draw against New | 0:17:08 | 0:17:15 | |
Zealand in a previous tournament. It
is worth watching Tonga, a really | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
exciting team who could go all the
way. And women's tournament runs | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
alongside the men's, starting next
month. England are the sole | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
representatives from Europe. There
will be a final in Brisbane in | 0:17:29 | 0:17:37 | |
December. Live coverage of England's
match on BBC Two this morning. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:46 | |
If a young person experiences
mental health problems | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
the NHS is supposed to provide
services to help them, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
with a belief that early
intervention is key. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
But a new study from
the Care Quality Commission has | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
found some children in England
are facing long delay for treatment | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
- sometimes as long as 18 months. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
The Department of Health says it's
investing £1.4 billion | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
into improving children's mental
health care but staff | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
for the NHS's Child and Adolescent
Mental Health Services have told | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
this programme services
are still extremely underfunded. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:20 | |
Joining us now is Cathal Morrow -
his eight-year-old had to wait 18 | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
months before he received treatment. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:25 | |
Helena Miles used mental health
services for most of her teens. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Louise Theodosiou is from
the Royal College of Psychiatrists. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
And Labour MP for Liverpool
Wavertree Luciana Berger, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
who is president of the party's
campaign for mental health. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
Thank you all for joining us. Can I
ask first - 18 months for your son | 0:18:41 | 0:18:47 | |
to access mental health treatment.
Why the delay? About three years | 0:18:47 | 0:18:56 | |
ago, he had a breakdown, and the
school were unbelievable. We pushed | 0:18:56 | 0:19:03 | |
for an assessment, got it, but it
didn't really say anything. We were | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
pushing and pushing, and they drip
fed us a little bit, but nothing | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
much in terms of services. Then a
year ago, he was in hospital for a | 0:19:10 | 0:19:19 | |
week, then they moved him up to a
level three, and from there, he has | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
been having weekly therapy. I have
been having services, counselling | 0:19:23 | 0:19:29 | |
and stuff, and it has been
excellent. But it was an insane | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
delay. Helene, you have access
mental health services throughout | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
your teens - did you struggle to get
access to those services? It took | 0:19:38 | 0:19:44 | |
awhile for to take my mental health,
not seriously, but to take it into | 0:19:44 | 0:19:50 | |
serious consideration. It took until
I was sectioned for me to get a | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
diagnosis of post-traumatic stress
disorder. What impact does that have | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
on you, and on your son of those
delays? I didn't have a teenage | 0:19:59 | 0:20:05 | |
period. It took a long time for me
to learn about myself and my mental | 0:20:05 | 0:20:11 | |
health, and I kind of feel like I am
now catching up on being a teenager | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
and being at university, getting to
know myself better. When I was a | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
teenager, I felt like an empty
shell, not a real human being. For | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
my son, the delay in mental
health... If you break your leg, it | 0:20:24 | 0:20:31 | |
gets fixed, but mental health is
something that needs work | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
immediately, and the delays have
meant that he has been taken out of | 0:20:33 | 0:20:39 | |
school and is being home-schooled.
It has a massive knock-on effect. I | 0:20:39 | 0:20:46 | |
want to bring in Louise. To give us
a perspective from the inside, if | 0:20:46 | 0:20:53 | |
you would, Louise, why is there this
delay? People watching would say | 0:20:53 | 0:21:00 | |
that a young boy needing help, 18
months of his life is a long time to | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
wait. It is, and it is important
that we are looking at this issue | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
today. One of the things we have
heard is that what happens is that | 0:21:08 | 0:21:14 | |
you cannot fix things quickly, and
we know that in order for children's | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
needs to be met, work has to start
early. One of the things we all need | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
to do is to build up people's
resilience, the same way we are all | 0:21:21 | 0:21:28 | |
working on our physical health every
day. We know that less than 1% of | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
the investment in health care has
been in child and adolescent mental | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
health services for a long time, and
although more money is coming now, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
it is coming after a long period of
underinvestment, which means that | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
not only our services small, but
there is not a workforce to recruit | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
from, so we need more people to be
working in young people's mental | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
health services and more people in
the services around them, such as | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
youth services, education and social
care. We also need people to be able | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
to recognise when children really
are struggling, and once again, that | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
is about training and awareness. It
is fantastic that because more | 0:22:02 | 0:22:07 | |
people are aware of children's
mental health needs, there is a | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
drive out there and people are
stepping forward, and we have seen | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
in the past three years referrals to
child and adolescent mental health | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
services going up by almost 50%. So
why is it that people aren't | 0:22:19 | 0:22:25 | |
attracted to working in the
services, or are leaving? That's a | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
really important question. I can say
that I love working in the service, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
and I can say that when services are
working well, they are amazing | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
places to work. We need to recognise
that the work can be very difficult, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
particularly with the underfunding,
and people can feel that they are | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
not offering a good service because
there's not enough people around. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
It's fantastic that there is
increasing awareness, and we know | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
that we need people to be valued, to
have good supervision and clear | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
leadership, and there are a lot of
new innovations coming in, like | 0:23:02 | 0:23:08 | |
Future In Mind, and other documents
that have come out in the past two | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
years which make it clear what we
need to do for people, and to | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
provide the training that is needed,
and to make our workforce feel | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
valued. Programmes like this, people
are realising how important the work | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
we do is come and that makes people
feel valued and that they are being | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
heard. Luciano, the Government has
committed £1.4 billion to children's | 0:23:27 | 0:23:35 | |
and adolescent health services, so
things are moving in the right | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
direction quick smack the money has
been announced, but in terms of it | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
reaching the front line, the row
many examples, including here in | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
Liverpool, where we have seen cuts
to our young people's mental health | 0:23:46 | 0:23:52 | |
services. -- things are moving in
the right direction? We have seen | 0:23:52 | 0:24:01 | |
waiting times of six months just to
get an assessment. That doesn't help | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
support them with their mental
health needs. It is not just | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
happening in Liverpool but right
across the country. With the budget | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
coming up, we have an opportunity to
say to the Chancellor that we need | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
to have the money they promised to
mental health ring fenced to make | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
sure it reaches the front line,
because there are many examples of | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
it not happening. That is why this
report, along with many others over | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
the past two years, really shine a
light on the fact that children's | 0:24:27 | 0:24:35 | |
mental health services are the
Cinderella of the Cinderella | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
services of the NHS. I can see you
shaking your head. What is going | 0:24:37 | 0:24:45 | |
through your mind listening to this?
I used to volunteer at the Centre | 0:24:45 | 0:24:51 | |
for children and families, and we
had so many stories of cuts and | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
underfunding, the fact that adult
services get more funding than | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
children's, but many users of youth
services go one to use adult | 0:24:58 | 0:25:05 | |
services. Honestly, this topic is so
important to me, and it has shaped | 0:25:05 | 0:25:11 | |
my life. I just want it to be OK,
which is really hard to do. Talking | 0:25:11 | 0:25:19 | |
about it is really useful, but
there's just no funding. At the | 0:25:19 | 0:25:31 | |
service my son goes to, people are
leaving in droves. Staff? Yes, and | 0:25:31 | 0:25:36 | |
really good people. If you care
about your job, and half of it is | 0:25:36 | 0:25:45 | |
saying no to a kid who really needs
help, it is their job to do that, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
and how does that make you feel as a
caring professional? Massively | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
demoralised. And people are leaving.
They have had pay cuts. My son's | 0:25:54 | 0:26:00 | |
therapist, who is unbelievable, he
is one of two therapists for the | 0:26:00 | 0:26:06 | |
whole NHS Trust, which is former
London boroughs. We were talking | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
before we came on air and you were
both saying that once you do access | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
those services, they are fantastic.
Unbelievable. My son has an amazing | 0:26:14 | 0:26:21 | |
social worker. My son is being
helped by the home tuition service, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
which is great. They are all amazing
people, and they are really | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
dedicated, and they are fighting
against cuts. They have to say no | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
because there is in the money to say
yes. Without the NHS staff and | 0:26:34 | 0:26:40 | |
others, I wouldn't even be sitting
here today, to be honest, but there | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
are so many young people who aren't
sitting here, especially LGBT and | 0:26:44 | 0:26:51 | |
kids from poorer backgrounds. It's
so much harder for them. But for the | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
ones who do get to access it, it is
often good stories. Louise, you | 0:26:55 | 0:27:01 | |
raised before the increase in the
number of referrals that your | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
services are getting for children
and adolescent mental health - is | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
this, in part, a good thing? You
have had Prince Harry talking about | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
mental health, the stigma seems to
be being removed within society, but | 0:27:14 | 0:27:20 | |
therefore, there is a consequence
that your services are having to | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
take. Absolutely, and in part, I
welcome the increase in referrals | 0:27:23 | 0:27:30 | |
because we know that mental health
problems, like physical health | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
problems, need to be treated. There
isn't anything to be ashamed of. We | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
know that one in four young women
will experience depression. We need | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
to be getting things right. I agree
with the Leonard that poor people | 0:27:41 | 0:27:47 | |
and people from minority groups tend
to have greater needs, and we need | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
to make sure that services are
accessible to everyone. -- I agree | 0:27:50 | 0:28:02 | |
with the Leonard. Is it potluck, a
postcode lottery, that determines | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
what services you can get in your
area? That has been the case for a | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
long time, and this report exposes
that, where there is real variance | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
in the level and quality of services
across the country. Some are good, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
some outstanding, but it is not
right that 20% of inpatient services | 0:28:20 | 0:28:27 | |
require improvement, and 30% of
services in the community need | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
improving. It is part of this wider
ambition to ensure that the close | 0:28:29 | 0:28:35 | |
that gap and achieve that real
equality for mental health that we | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
have for physical health. We are on
a journey, but ultimately, to make | 0:28:39 | 0:28:46 | |
the greatest difference we need to
make sure that locally all of our | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
services prioritise mental health.
That is not happening in Liverpool, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
but not just here, across the
country. Our local commissioning | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
groups are not held to account to
ring fence that Monday, which means | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
it is spent on other things. The
young people you have heard from, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
and the parent you have heard from
today, this is about people's | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
futures. We know that the majority
of adults with mental health | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
condition will have developed it as
a young person. It doesn't make | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
sense not to intervene and support
people earlier on, because it will | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
affect the book into their adult
life if we do not. Not only does | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
that have an impact on adults in
terms of maintaining relationships, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
accessing employment and being able
to pay for things in life, but | 0:29:27 | 0:29:34 | |
actually, it costs our economy. For
so many different reasons, it is | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
important that what we talk about
when it comes to young people's | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
mental health actually translates
into supporting people early on. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
It's not happening at the moment,
but it needs to, for so many | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
different reasons. That is why I
hope that in the budget we will see | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
that change. I want to bring capital
backing, because if there are | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
parents at home struggling -- to
bring Cathal back in. You have got | 0:29:55 | 0:30:06 | |
support for your son, but what would
you say to other parents? Push. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:14 | |
You have just got to push and
demand. I am not a pushy parent. My | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
kids have no more rights than
anybody else's kids, but they have a | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
right to the services. You have to
keep pushing and pushing. The people | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
at the other end, the CAMHS people
come they want to help young people | 0:30:25 | 0:30:31 | |
but they are not allowed because the
money is not there. Push for the | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
services and keep on pushing. Thanks
for coming in to talk us. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
A Department of Health
spokesperson said: | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
"Our commitment to improving
children's mental healthcare | 0:30:39 | 0:30:40 | |
is shown by our additional
£1.4 billion investment, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
more trained staff and more children
and young people accessing care. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:47 | |
But there is more to do which is why
we commissioned this review | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
and will publish a Green Paper
on Children and Young | 0:30:50 | 0:30:56 | |
People's Mental Health
by the end of the year." | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
Still to come: The Spanish senate
will today vote on whether to impose | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
direct rule over Catalonia -
after the Catalan government | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
yesterday didn't call a snap
election or declare independence. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
And tomorrow night, in Cardiff,
Anthony Joshua will seek to defend | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
his crown as World Heavyweight
Champion. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
We'll speak to one of his team
as they prepare for the fight. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
Time for the latest news. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:27 | |
Here's Vicki. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
An investigation into the cyber | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
attack that brought down parts
of the NHS in May has found it | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
could have been prevented if basic
security measures had been in place. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
The National Audit Office says
the health service wasn't prepared | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
for the attack and must develop
a clear plan to deal | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
with future threats. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
NHS England says it has invested
in improving security and stressed | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
that no harm was caused to patients. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
Thousands of children across England
are having to face extremley long | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
waiting times for mental health
treatment, according to a review | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
by Government inspectors. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
The Care Quality Commission found
that services are too | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
fragmented and hard to access. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
The Department of Health says
it is investing an extra | 0:32:08 | 0:32:15 | |
1.4 billion in children's
mental health services | 0:32:15 | 0:32:16 | |
over the next four years. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
French scientists say patients
who have heart surgery | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
in the afternoon are less likely
to suffer complications than those | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
who are treated in the morning. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
Their research - published
in The Lancet medical journal - | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
argues that the body clock makes
the heart stronger during | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
the afternoon than in the morning,
and it's more able to withstand | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
the rigours of surgery. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
The Spanish Senate is expected
to approve government plans | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
to reduce the powers of the region
of Catalonia today. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
The Catalan authorities say
such a move would worsen | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
the political crisis,
making a declaration | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
of independence by the regional
parliament more likely - | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
though no decision
has been reached yet. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
Australia's High Court has
ruled that the country's | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
deputy prime minister,
Barnaby Joyce, should be | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
disqualified from office
because he held dual | 0:33:02 | 0:33:03 | |
citizenship when elected. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:09 | |
The verdict has cost the Australian
government its one-seat majority | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
in parliament and a by-election
will now be held in December. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
Four other politicians have also
been ruled ineligible | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
to remain in parliament. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
President Trump has declassified
almost 3000 documents related | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
to the assassination
of John F Kennedy in 1963. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:33 | |
But Mr Trump decided to keep
hundreds of other files secret, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
at least for the time being,
at the request of security agencies. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
The President had earlier indicated
that all of the files | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
would be made public. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
Here's some sport now
with John Watson. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:54 | |
The Rugby League World Cup will get
under way in Melbourne. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
England have the daunting task
of facing reigning champions | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Australia in that opening game. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
They haven't beaten them since 1995.
Preparations continue ahead of next | 0:34:03 | 0:34:09 | |
year's World Cup. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
Harlequins prop Joe Marler is set
to be available for two | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
of England's three autumn
internationals next month. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
He was suspended for striking,
but it's understood his club | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
have successfully queried
the verdict with the | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
European Cup authorities. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:26 | |
A great night ahead for Anthony
Joshua. He is looking to | 0:34:26 | 0:34:32 | |
successfully defend his world title.
You are talking to his | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
physiotherapist this morning. He
wants to become the first man to | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
hold all four world heavyweight
titles. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:50 | |
US President Donald Trump has
ordered the release of 2,800 files | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
on President John F Kennedy's
assassination. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
But he blocked the release
of other files, citing | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
national security concerns. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
Senior administration officials
did not say what the contents | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
of the records being shared
by the National Archives | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
yesterday were. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:03 | |
So what will we learn
from the JFK files? | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
This short film explains more. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
I don't think anybody should be
looking for any bombshells. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
There won't be a document pointing
to a second gunman in Dallas. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
I think all of the most credible
evidence we have all these years | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
shows that Lee Harvey Oswald
was the gunman in Dealey Plaza and | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
almost certainly the lone gunman. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
But I think there is a real question
as to whether or not other people | 0:35:25 | 0:35:32 | |
knew he was going to do this
and encouraged him to do this. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
You know, he was not the pure lone
wolf that the US government | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
tried to portray him as. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:38 | |
To my mind, this has always been
sort of the secret chapter | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
of the Kennedy assassination drama. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:44 | |
Why did Lee Harvey Oswald,
who was a self-proclaimed Marxist, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
a champion of Castro's revolution,
go to Mexico City just several weeks | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
before the assassination,
where he met with Cuban spies, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
Russian spies and other people who,
at the height of the Cold War, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
might have wanted to see
Kennedy dead. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
There is evidence out there that
Oswald, while he is in Mexico City, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
openly talked about killing Kennedy. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
The question becomes whether or not
any of those people offered | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
to help him or give him
encouragement, or offered to help | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
him escape after the assassination. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
It's very clear that
the United States government never | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
wanted to get to the bottom of that
because, if they had, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
it would have exposed just how much
more the government had known | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
about the assassin before
the assassination. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
The question has always been
what more did the CIA know | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
about Oswald in real-time,
just several weeks before | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
the assassination? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
It's going to take weeks or months,
or even years, to really | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
understand these documents. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
They will be filled with CIA and FBI
codenames, pseudonyms and a lot | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
of jargon that people just aren't
going to be able to understand. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
We're talking about hundreds
of thousands of pages of documents. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:59 | |
This is going to take a long while. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:07 | |
After 10.30 we will be talking to a
woman who was at the scene of the | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
assassination when she was aged just
11. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
Spain's political crisis
is likely to deepen | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
today if - as expected - | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
the Spanish senate gives the go
ahead to government plans to regain | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
control of the region of Catalonia. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
Madrid wants to trigger an article
in the Spanish constitution that | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
suspends devolution in autonomous
regions - and say it's the only way | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
to calm the political
crisis in the region. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
Yesterday, the Catalan regional
parliament debated a possible | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
declaration of independence,
but failed to reveal | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
a favoured course of action. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:39 | |
So how did we get here? | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
On October the 1st a referendum
on Catalan independence | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
was held in the region,
despite the poll being | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
ruled unconstitutional
by the country's supreme court. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:55 | |
National police were brought
into try and stop the vote | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
from going ahead, leading
to violent clashes. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:04 | |
Catalan authorities say just under
90% of voters backed independence, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
although only 43% of voters took
part. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
After the vote Catalonia's leaders
declared independence, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:11 | |
but then suspended it immediately. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
Spain's Prime Minister responded
by announcing plans to remove | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
the region's current leaders
and hold fresh elections | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
there as soon as possible. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:24 | |
It is these plans that could be
given the approval later today. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
Raphael Minder is a journalist
and author of the book | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
The Struggle for Catalonia -
he joins me from Madrid. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
Rodrigo Martinez lives in Catalonia
and did not vote because he did not | 0:38:35 | 0:38:44 | |
think the referendum was legal. He
does not think that Catalonia should | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
have independence. Raphael, this is
so confusing, the situation. First | 0:38:48 | 0:38:54 | |
of all, Catalonia declares
independence, then it says it is not | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
going to happen. Tell us what is
going on behind the scenes because | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
this confusion. First, I am actually
in Barcelona, just outside the | 0:39:02 | 0:39:09 | |
parliament of Catalonia, where we
are going to have another dramatic | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
day, I fear. It is confusing. This
is brinksmanship, last-minute | 0:39:12 | 0:39:20 | |
attempts to get a political deal,
knowing that what comes next is | 0:39:20 | 0:39:26 | |
very, very dangerous territory for
both sides. As you mentioned, the | 0:39:26 | 0:39:31 | |
Government in Madrid is asking today
the Senate to put into place | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
emergency measures under an article
in the Constitution that has never | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
been tested before, article 155,
which Spaniards are now discovering, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
the same way as British people
discovered Article 50 of the Lisbon | 0:39:43 | 0:39:48 | |
Treaty following the Brexit
referendum. Yesterday, and this has | 0:39:48 | 0:39:54 | |
been the case for several days, we
saw last-minute attempts to avoid | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
this situation reaching this climax.
This has been the way all along. It | 0:39:57 | 0:40:04 | |
is a game of chicken in which
beach-side knows it cannot take full | 0:40:04 | 0:40:10 | |
responsibility for what comes next,
in which the separatists are pushing | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
for a declaration of Independence,
knowing that they can declare what | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
they want but the government in
Madrid has the power to make sure | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
there is no independence in
Catalonia and, in fact, return | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
Catalonia to a situation where it
loses the autonomy that it has had | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
for 40 years and perhaps a major
shake-up of the whole setup of | 0:40:29 | 0:40:35 | |
Spain, the post-Franco setup that
was achieved with a great deal of | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
pain in the late 70s. Roderigo, we
heard their Raphael describing it as | 0:40:40 | 0:40:46 | |
a game of chicken. As a voter and
somebody who decided not to vote in | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
a referendum because you don't
support independence, how do you | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
feel about how the politicians are
playing around with this right now? | 0:40:53 | 0:40:59 | |
Well, I totally agree. I think the
politicians right now are playing | 0:40:59 | 0:41:08 | |
with us, playing with people. I
think they only want to win more | 0:41:08 | 0:41:17 | |
supporters. In Madrid, they want
supporters for Spanish union. In | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
Catalonia, they want supporters for
the issues. So, I think the people | 0:41:22 | 0:41:34 | |
are very tired of the situation,
this play that the politicians are | 0:41:34 | 0:41:42 | |
doing in Spain. I think the
important point here is that people | 0:41:42 | 0:41:48 | |
are tired. So, Raphael, explain what
will happen if the Spanish | 0:41:48 | 0:41:55 | |
government decides to take control
back away from a region that | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
currently is autonomous.
Realistically, in day-to-day terms, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
what does that mean for people
living in Barcelona? Well, we don't | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
know, realistically. What are the
measures say is that the Government | 0:42:06 | 0:42:11 | |
can do a whole series of things but
need not do them all. What the | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
government that was asking for his
permission to basically step in. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
Exactly how it does that isn't
clear. What we know is that the | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
Government of Mariano Rajoy has said
it will remove the leadership of | 0:42:23 | 0:42:29 | |
Catalonia. Doing that in practice
is, in itself, a very converted | 0:42:29 | 0:42:35 | |
thing. We don't know if the current
leadership, led by Carles | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
Puigdemont, will step back and agree
to do so, or whether they will have | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
to step out handcuffed with police
are stepping into the government | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
building in Barcelona, perhaps
surrounded by angry crowds. This is | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
step one. Step two is even more
complicated, taking charge of the | 0:42:51 | 0:42:56 | |
autonomous police force. Again, we
don't know how easy that will be. | 0:42:56 | 0:43:02 | |
What we know is that referendum Day,
October the 1st, the Catalan police | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
force basically did not put into
force the orders given by Madrid to | 0:43:06 | 0:43:12 | |
shut down all polling stations,
which is why we then got into the | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
terrible mess where Spanish police
clashed with voters. Taking charge | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
of a police force raises all sorts
of issues about the loyalty of the | 0:43:19 | 0:43:26 | |
security forces. That is very, very
dangerous territory indeed. Then | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
there are a series of other
measures, including taking charge of | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
the Public broadcasting in
Catalonia. Whether that means just | 0:43:34 | 0:43:41 | |
changing the equivalent of the
director of the BBC or perhaps | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
changing some of the presenters, the
anchors and so on, we don't know. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:50 | |
Any of these steps, it is a
minefield in which the Government of | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
Madrid is stepping in with great
powers and authority, but without | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
any guidance and no precedent in
terms of exactly how you do it. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:03 | |
Roderigo, do you worry about the
things outlined there? No, I think | 0:44:03 | 0:44:08 | |
if the law as an article, Article
155, I think you can apply it. It is | 0:44:08 | 0:44:21 | |
not impossible. Maybe it is not an
easy issue. But you can apply. We | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
have public workers, they are not
politicians. We do not need | 0:44:25 | 0:44:34 | |
politicians to administrate the
state. We have administrative | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
workers. So, in an ideal situation,
maybe six months, six months of | 0:44:38 | 0:44:53 | |
central government administrating
Catalonia and then elections again. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:58 | |
I think it is not a very big deal.
Maybe the people are afraid of the | 0:44:58 | 0:45:08 | |
situation, of the application of
that law. I think we cannot fear | 0:45:08 | 0:45:17 | |
about the law. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
Oriol Margo Moreno is an industrial
engineer from Barcalona who voted | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
for independence via post,
as he lives here in the uk. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:24 | |
Tell me what you make of what is
happening right now and the | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
possibility of the autonomy being
removed from Catalonia. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:40 | |
I think Catalonia and Spain have
been trying to get some Catalonian | 0:45:40 | 0:45:49 | |
integration in Spain for some years
and it hasn't been possible. It | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
started quite a few years ago, and
now I think it has reached a point | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
of no return. We have seen a
positive campaign in Scotland, like | 0:45:56 | 0:46:05 | |
together we are better, but this
hasn't happened in Catalonia. Today, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
I think there will be a potential
declaration of Independence after | 0:46:09 | 0:46:15 | |
the referendum that happened on the
1st of October, where people were | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
trying to go and cast their votes
than they were met by police with | 0:46:19 | 0:46:25 | |
batons. You can't ask people not to
go into the streets to be able to | 0:46:25 | 0:46:33 | |
say what they want. I want to bring
this to you, because in the last few | 0:46:33 | 0:46:40 | |
moments, the Spanish prime minister,
Mariano Rajoy, has asked the Senate | 0:46:40 | 0:46:44 | |
today pose the Catalan leader, Mr
Puigdemont. Do you worry, Roderigo, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:52 | |
as a result of this and what could
happen in the next few hours, that | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
violence could return to the
streets, as we saw on the day of the | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
referendum? I hope not. I hope the
people will continue peacefully. The | 0:46:59 | 0:47:12 | |
great majority of people in
Catalonia, now we're working, so we | 0:47:12 | 0:47:21 | |
don't want that instability. We want
to go back to stability in | 0:47:21 | 0:47:30 | |
Catalonia. And confidence. Oriol, do
you think there is a danger that | 0:47:30 | 0:47:35 | |
could be more violence on the
streets? It is surprising what I | 0:47:35 | 0:47:41 | |
heard from Roderigo. I don't think
there will be any violence from | 0:47:41 | 0:47:46 | |
citizens. That has been no violence
from citizens in Catalonia in any | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
other demonstrations. We have had
demonstrations every year with | 0:47:50 | 0:47:54 | |
millions of people and there is no
violence. Violence only came when | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
they sent riot police. If there is
any, it will be because the riot | 0:47:57 | 0:48:03 | |
police will initiate it. We have
seen people in the images holding | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
hands like this. I don't think there
will be violence unless the Spanish | 0:48:07 | 0:48:14 | |
Government thinks that they need to
send the police. Oriol, are you | 0:48:14 | 0:48:21 | |
frustrated with your politicians
right now? I am frustrated with the | 0:48:21 | 0:48:26 | |
situation because I think no one
should ignore that there are | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
millions and millions of people in
Catalonia demanding something | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
different and they are not being
listened to. I am not frustrated at | 0:48:32 | 0:48:37 | |
what is happening, because I think
it is a legitimate way to seek these | 0:48:37 | 0:48:43 | |
ambitions, and I think we should
listen. It cannot be ignored. And | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
that's why democracy is there. If
this is not what you like, democracy | 0:48:47 | 0:48:54 | |
is the way forward, and that means
ballot boxes. That is what happened. | 0:48:54 | 0:49:05 | |
I think Madrid is potentially afraid
to hear what they don't want to. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:12 | |
Thank you for joining us today on
the programme, gentlemen. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:18 | |
The disclosure of childhood criminal
records can impact on jobs, | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
visas and house buying -
is a report today right to say | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
the rules should be relaxed? | 0:49:24 | 0:49:29 | |
He went from just another
boy at a boxing club, | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
to Olympic Champion
to global superstar. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
Tomorrow night, in Cardiff,
Anthony Joshua, bids to defend his | 0:49:37 | 0:49:44 | |
crown as World Heavyweight Champion
against the Frenchman Carlos Takam. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
This time, his preparations
have been disrupted, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
because his original opponent
Kubrat Pulev pulled out | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
through injury, leaving Takam
to come in at short notice. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:57 | |
Joshua has a lot to live
up to this weekend. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
His last fight with Vladimir
Klitschko went down as one | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
of the best in history,
as he picked himself off the canvas | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
to win the WBA belt in heroic style. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
Here's a short clip from a BBC
documentary about that | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
fight with Klitschko -
Anthony Joshua: The Road | 0:50:12 | 0:50:18 | |
To Klitschko - where we can see how
Joshua prepares on fight day... | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
# Run, run | 0:50:32 | 0:50:33 | |
# Run, run.# | 0:50:33 | 0:50:38 | |
On fight day, there's
pull-outs in every paper. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
You know, six, eight-page pull-outs. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
That doesn't happen in boxing. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
It's the sort of thing that
happens in World Cups | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
and European Championships. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
That's when it suddenly really
dawns, tonight's the night. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
But he is so relaxed
about everything. | 0:50:55 | 0:51:00 | |
You know, the one phrase I hear him
say a lot is, no stress. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:06 | |
Boxing's tough enough
as it is and if you're | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
not going to enjoy it,
you might as well give it up. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:51:11 | 0:51:12 | |
So I don't think having
a little laugh will deter from me | 0:51:12 | 0:51:18 | |
having the ambition to go out
there and perform. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:51:21 | 0:51:27 | |
It's like the last
little MOT before we take | 0:51:27 | 0:51:29 | |
the car on the track. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
What I'm trying to do
is just go with the flow. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:37 | |
I'm here, I'm at peace,
this is what I've been working for. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
Let's just go out
there and have fun. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:47 | |
Let's talk now to Rob Madden, who's
Anthony Joshua's Physiotherapist | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
and is at the hotel in Cardiff
with his team now, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
and Barry Jones is a Former WBO
Superfeatherweight World Champion. | 0:51:52 | 0:52:00 | |
Thanks, both, for coming in. I want
to start with Rob if I can. First of | 0:52:00 | 0:52:06 | |
all, how disruptive was it for
Anthony Joshua to have this change | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
of opponent at a pretty late a la?
First of all, thanks to Takam for | 0:52:09 | 0:52:21 | |
stepping in, it takes a big man to
do that. Training wise, it doesn't | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
change much. The heavyweight game is
tough, and Rob and AJ have put in | 0:52:24 | 0:52:33 | |
the necessary training to prepare
for a slightly different style. Is | 0:52:33 | 0:52:38 | |
Takam and easier or more difficult
opponent, in the view of your team? | 0:52:38 | 0:52:45 | |
There is not much of a difference
between them in the rankings, and | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
both of them bring different assets
to the ring, so I wouldn't | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
necessarily say one fighter was
better than the other. In the | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
heavyweight game, you have to be
prepared that anyone has the ability | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
to really cause damage. Barry, I
want to bring you in, because it is | 0:52:59 | 0:53:05 | |
all about pressure at this point,
isn't it? After that incredible | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
fight against Wladimir Klitschko,
Anthony Joshua came back, he was the | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
hero. The pressure is on him - is
that the main issue to deal with | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
going into one of the sites? For any
boxer, but someone as popular as | 0:53:16 | 0:53:23 | |
Anthony Joshua, the pressure is
immense. You saw how relaxed ears. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
What he is. He believes in himself,
and that's what he he worries about. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:32 | |
I think he just concentrates on what
he has to do, and he's good enough. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
He doesn't have to worry about the
change of opponent, except for the | 0:53:35 | 0:53:42 | |
height and reach. He's a lot
shorter, isn't he? About three | 0:53:42 | 0:53:47 | |
inches shorter. That's an easy
adjustment for Anthony Joshua,. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
Because he is so good with the left
arm, an important weapon for any | 0:53:51 | 0:53:56 | |
heavyweight, and he has mastered
that punch, that is all he needs to | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
worry about. If he does that, it is
a relatively easy night for him. How | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
does he deal with pressure? Give as
a sense of what he is doing today. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:12 | |
Really, we try to keep everything
relax. He has his close friends | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
around him. He is getting ready for
the way in -- weigh-in. And he will | 0:54:15 | 0:54:31 | |
just focus on the last bits of
preparation. Is it easier to get | 0:54:31 | 0:54:40 | |
ready for this fight than it was for
the Wladimir Klitschko fight, which | 0:54:40 | 0:54:46 | |
was so huge? Just before, I said the
heavyweight game is a tough game. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:54 | |
You can't take anything for granted,
and it is 100% focused, always. I | 0:54:54 | 0:54:59 | |
was reading what Anthony Joshua were
saying a few days ago, saying he | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
thinks he could dominate the sport
for the next ten years - is that | 0:55:03 | 0:55:08 | |
realistic as a heavyweight? Ten
years, you never know who might come | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
along. Another Anthony Joshua might
come along. He is capable, he lives | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
the right life, he has the right
team behind him, which is very | 0:55:15 | 0:55:22 | |
important for any fighter, but
especially for a heavyweight, to | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
keep your feet on the ground. He is
a star, and that Klitschko win made | 0:55:24 | 0:55:33 | |
him a global superstar, and everyone
wants a piece of Anthony Joshua. Not | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
just fights, also commercially,
which will have added pressure. He | 0:55:37 | 0:55:42 | |
is relaxed and happy with himself,
and I just think he concentrates on | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
what he has to do in the ring. He
lives a very humble life for a very | 0:55:46 | 0:55:51 | |
rich young man. He goes through the
training camps as you would when you | 0:55:51 | 0:55:56 | |
were a challenger. If he keeps that
mode and that thing in his life, | 0:55:56 | 0:56:02 | |
then I think he can almost dominate.
I think now, he is the best | 0:56:02 | 0:56:07 | |
heavyweight in the world. Until
Tyson Fury comes back, he is the | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
only guy who can rival him right
now. Apart from that, I think he | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
beats everyone who is put in front
of him. What about the pressure? A | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
crowd of 78,000 people will be
there. For Anthony Joshua, not a | 0:56:19 | 0:56:25 | |
problem. Takam - will it affect him?
It might, but once the bell goes, it | 0:56:25 | 0:56:32 | |
all goes away. When you have a
monster like Anthony Joshua in front | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
of you, you don't worry about people
outside the ring, you got enough | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
problems inside it. I think Joshua
is used those big crowd. He will | 0:56:39 | 0:56:45 | |
probably enjoy this more than the
which coat fight, because he goes in | 0:56:45 | 0:56:51 | |
not as the underdog. -- more than
the Klitschko fight. It is the | 0:56:51 | 0:57:04 | |
chance of a lifetime for Takam. We
know, in this way, one punch can | 0:57:04 | 0:57:09 | |
change a fight. -- in this weight
category. One shot can totally | 0:57:09 | 0:57:19 | |
change the outcome of the fight.
Takam will think that if he can get | 0:57:19 | 0:57:23 | |
close, he might cause problems. If
Joshua can dominate with the jab, he | 0:57:23 | 0:57:29 | |
can make it as easy as he wants it
to be. Rob, clearly, Anthony Joshua | 0:57:29 | 0:57:34 | |
feels very confident going into this
fight? Yeah, very confident and | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
calm. As Barry says, he is the same
guy was up he's taking it seriously, | 0:57:38 | 0:57:43 | |
though. He's not taking anything for
granted. 100% confidence for the | 0:57:43 | 0:57:49 | |
win, but be prepared for a decent
challenger in Takam. Thank you for | 0:57:49 | 0:57:54 | |
speaking to us, Rob. Wishing the
best of luck. Thank you for coming | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
in as well. Now, the weather with
Simon. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
A chilly start to the day across
many parts, but it has been a | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
glorious start for many of us. We've
had a pretty decent sunrise, as you | 0:58:08 | 0:58:12 | |
can see from this first photo. That
was sent in from Leeds, the sun | 0:58:12 | 0:58:19 | |
rising there above the horizon. That
has led many of us to have beautiful | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
blue skies this morning. It's not
the case everywhere. There are some | 0:58:22 | 0:58:27 | |
fog patches around. This is the
scene at the moment in Salford quays | 0:58:27 | 0:58:31 | |
- a proper pea souper. It is a
textbook fine day when the fog | 0:58:31 | 0:58:42 | |
clears. Some lovely sunny spells.
More of a breeze across the far | 0:58:42 | 0:58:46 | |
north of Scotland. Some cloud will
affect northern and western areas, | 0:58:46 | 0:58:51 | |
and it will be a bit chilly compared
to yesterday, temperatures of | 0:58:51 | 0:58:57 | |
10-11dC. Sunshine through Northern
Ireland and through northern England | 0:58:57 | 0:59:00 | |
once the fog clears from the
north-west. The same goes for Wales | 0:59:00 | 0:59:04 | |
in southern England. Temperatures
are down by a few deeds agrees -- a | 0:59:04 | 0:59:09 | |
few degrees compare to yesterday. A
bit of cloud in the South West will | 0:59:09 | 0:59:15 | |
clear away, leaving sunshine. The
high pressure that is giving us this | 0:59:15 | 0:59:19 | |
settled weather today will drift
further south going into Saturday, | 0:59:19 | 0:59:24 | |
meaning the wind will pick up
further across Scotland, and with | 0:59:24 | 0:59:27 | |
it, a bit more moisture, so a bit of
rain moving into the West of | 0:59:27 | 0:59:31 | |
Scotland. Quite a chilly night
again, temperatures down into single | 0:59:31 | 0:59:35 | |
figures, lower than that in the
countryside in southern and eastern | 0:59:35 | 0:59:39 | |
areas. For the start of the weekend,
quite a strong wind across northern | 0:59:39 | 0:59:45 | |
areas, gales expected. Lots of cloud
to the west, some outbreaks of rain. | 0:59:45 | 0:59:51 | |
Some of it affecting north-west
England and Wales. Sunshine through | 0:59:51 | 0:59:58 | |
many other areas through tomorrow
afternoon. Into Sunday, things start | 0:59:58 | 1:00:02 | |
to change again. Look at the cold
air, the blues moving down across | 1:00:02 | 1:00:07 | |
the UK. The cold air not quite
reaching Northern Ireland, Wales and | 1:00:07 | 1:00:13 | |
the South West, so temperatures not
falling quite as far here. They will | 1:00:13 | 1:00:17 | |
stay at around 14 Celsius. Lots of
sunshine across England, up into | 1:00:17 | 1:00:23 | |
Scotland. Maximum temperatures only
nine Celsius in the north-east, with | 1:00:23 | 1:00:28 | |
a brisk northerly wind. That would
feel quite chilly. Don't forget, the | 1:00:28 | 1:00:32 | |
clocks go back by one hour in the
early hours of Sunday morning. | 1:00:32 | 1:00:36 | |
Unless you have young kids, like me,
you get an extra hour in bed! | 1:00:36 | 1:00:39 | |
Goodbye. | 1:00:39 | 1:00:41 | |
Hello. | 1:00:41 | 1:00:42 | |
It's Friday, it's 10
o'clock, I'm Chloe Tiley. | 1:00:42 | 1:00:44 | |
The health service was just not
prepared, says a report | 1:00:45 | 1:00:47 | |
into the cyber attack which crippled
parts of the NHS earlier this year. | 1:00:47 | 1:00:51 | |
In some cases, organisations had to
resort to telephone, paper and pen, | 1:00:51 | 1:00:55 | |
apps such as WhatsApp in terms
of communicating with others. | 1:00:55 | 1:00:59 | |
So what is ransomware and how can
you protect yourself? | 1:01:03 | 1:01:06 | |
We'll be speaking to a former hacker
and to a security analyst. | 1:01:06 | 1:01:10 | |
For some who got a criminal
conviction or caution | 1:01:10 | 1:01:12 | |
while they were under 18,
a childhood mistake can affect | 1:01:12 | 1:01:15 | |
opportunities for jobs,
travel and education. | 1:01:15 | 1:01:21 | |
A report out today says it's
time the rules around | 1:01:21 | 1:01:23 | |
disclosing childhood criminal
records were relaxed. | 1:01:23 | 1:01:25 | |
We will hear from a qualified
teacher who says she cannot get a | 1:01:30 | 1:01:34 | |
job in school because of police
cautions when she was a child. We | 1:01:34 | 1:01:37 | |
will also hear from a recruiter who
says it is important for employees | 1:01:37 | 1:01:41 | |
to know exactly who they are hiring. | 1:01:41 | 1:01:43 | |
Donald Trump, following requests
from the CIA and FBI, | 1:01:43 | 1:01:45 | |
delays the release of some
of the more sensitive casenotes | 1:01:45 | 1:01:48 | |
about the assassination
of John F Kennedy. | 1:01:48 | 1:01:52 | |
We will hear from a woman who was at
the scene of the assassination when | 1:01:52 | 1:01:55 | |
she was just 11. | 1:01:55 | 1:01:57 | |
Good morning. | 1:01:59 | 1:02:02 | |
Here's Vicki in the BBC Newsroom
with a summary of today's news. | 1:02:02 | 1:02:09 | |
An investigation into the
cyberattack that brought down parts | 1:02:09 | 1:02:11 | |
of the NHS in May has found it
could have been prevented if basic | 1:02:11 | 1:02:15 | |
security measures had been in place. | 1:02:15 | 1:02:16 | |
The National Audit Office says
the health service wasn't | 1:02:16 | 1:02:19 | |
prepared for the attack and must
develop a clear plan to deal | 1:02:19 | 1:02:22 | |
with future threats. | 1:02:22 | 1:02:28 | |
The security minister says North
Korea is to blame for the cyber | 1:02:28 | 1:02:30 | |
attack. Computer crime often leaves
a trace and our capabilities to | 1:02:30 | 1:02:38 | |
track that. I can't go further into
capabilities, but there are strong | 1:02:38 | 1:02:41 | |
signs that came from North Korea and
ourselves and the United States | 1:02:41 | 1:02:45 | |
agree with that. | 1:02:45 | 1:02:51 | |
The Spanish Senate is expected
to approve government plans | 1:02:51 | 1:02:53 | |
to reduce the powers of the region
of Catalonia today. | 1:02:53 | 1:02:56 | |
The Catalan authorities say
such a move would worsen | 1:02:56 | 1:02:58 | |
the political crisis -
making a declaration | 1:02:58 | 1:03:00 | |
of independence by the regional
parliament more likely, | 1:03:00 | 1:03:02 | |
though no decision
has been reached yet. | 1:03:02 | 1:03:09 | |
Thousands of children across England
are having to face extremley long | 1:03:09 | 1:03:11 | |
waiting times for mental health
treatment, according to a review | 1:03:11 | 1:03:14 | |
by Government inspectors. | 1:03:14 | 1:03:18 | |
The Care Quality Commission found
that services are too | 1:03:18 | 1:03:20 | |
fragmented and hard to access. | 1:03:21 | 1:03:22 | |
The Department of Health says
it is investing an extra | 1:03:22 | 1:03:28 | |
1.4 billion in children's
mental health services | 1:03:28 | 1:03:29 | |
over the next four years. | 1:03:29 | 1:03:33 | |
One former patient told this
programme about her experience. | 1:03:33 | 1:03:36 | |
It took a while for them to kind
of take my mental health not | 1:03:36 | 1:03:40 | |
seriously but take it into serious
consideration and it took | 1:03:40 | 1:03:43 | |
until I was sectioned
for me to get a diagnosis | 1:03:43 | 1:03:45 | |
of post-traumatic stress disorder. | 1:03:45 | 1:03:48 | |
It took a really long time for me
to kind of learn about myself | 1:03:48 | 1:03:52 | |
and about my mental health
and I kind of feel like now I'm | 1:03:52 | 1:03:55 | |
catching up on being a teenager,
being at university, | 1:03:55 | 1:03:57 | |
getting to know myself a lot better. | 1:03:57 | 1:04:00 | |
Whereas when I was a teenager,
I felt like an empty shell. | 1:04:00 | 1:04:03 | |
I didn't feel like a human being. | 1:04:03 | 1:04:08 | |
Australia's High Court has
ruled that the country's | 1:04:08 | 1:04:10 | |
deputy prime minister,
Barnaby Joyce, should be | 1:04:10 | 1:04:12 | |
disqualified from office
because he held dual | 1:04:12 | 1:04:13 | |
citizenship when elected. | 1:04:13 | 1:04:16 | |
The verdict has
cost the Australian | 1:04:16 | 1:04:19 | |
government its one-seat majority
in parliament and a by-election | 1:04:19 | 1:04:21 | |
will now be held in December. | 1:04:21 | 1:04:23 | |
Four other politicians have also
been ruled ineligible | 1:04:23 | 1:04:25 | |
to remain in parliament. | 1:04:25 | 1:04:29 | |
President Trump has declassified
almost 3000 documents | 1:04:29 | 1:04:32 | |
related to the assassination
of John F Kennedy in 1963. | 1:04:32 | 1:04:36 | |
But Mr Trump
decided to keep hundreds | 1:04:36 | 1:04:38 | |
of other files secret,
at least for the time being, | 1:04:38 | 1:04:40 | |
at the request of security agencies. | 1:04:40 | 1:04:44 | |
The President had earlier indicated
that all of the files | 1:04:44 | 1:04:47 | |
would be made public. | 1:04:47 | 1:04:52 | |
French scientists say patients
who have heart surgery | 1:04:52 | 1:04:54 | |
in the afternoon are less likely
to suffer complications than those | 1:04:54 | 1:04:56 | |
who are treated in the morning. | 1:04:56 | 1:04:58 | |
Their research, published
in The Lancet medical journal, | 1:04:58 | 1:05:01 | |
argues that the body clock makes
the heart stronger during | 1:05:01 | 1:05:04 | |
the afternoon than in the morning,
and it's more able to withstand | 1:05:04 | 1:05:06 | |
the rigours of surgery. | 1:05:07 | 1:05:09 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 10.30. | 1:05:11 | 1:05:17 | |
Here's some sport now
with John Watson. | 1:05:17 | 1:05:21 | |
The Rugby League World Cup has just
got under way in Melbourne, | 1:05:21 | 1:05:24 | |
and England are first up. | 1:05:24 | 1:05:28 | |
A fascinating opening match to the
tournament. This is the atmosphere | 1:05:28 | 1:05:31 | |
inside the rectangular stadium in
Melbourne. Kick-off is moments away. | 1:05:31 | 1:05:37 | |
14 teams competing from three
co-host countries over the next six | 1:05:37 | 1:05:40 | |
weeks. The women's tournament
running alongside the men. It all | 1:05:40 | 1:05:44 | |
builds to the double-header finale
in Brisbane on the 2nd of December. | 1:05:44 | 1:05:49 | |
It's a big moment for England. They
haven't beaten Australia since the | 1:05:49 | 1:05:54 | |
opening match of the 1995 World Cup.
How they would love to produce a | 1:05:54 | 1:05:57 | |
performance like that in Melbourne
later. | 1:05:57 | 1:06:00 | |
Scotland, Wales and
Ireland also competing. | 1:06:00 | 1:06:01 | |
Wales get their tournament under way
against Papua New Guinea tomorrow. | 1:06:01 | 1:06:04 | |
They got a a warm welcome
on arrival, expect something very | 1:06:04 | 1:06:07 | |
different on the pitch. | 1:06:07 | 1:06:09 | |
Scotland face New Zealand
in their opening match. | 1:06:09 | 1:06:12 | |
Three of 14 teams competing, spread
out over six weeks of action. | 1:06:12 | 1:06:18 | |
You can follow it all across the
BBC. There is live coverage now on | 1:06:18 | 1:06:22 | |
BBC Two at the moment. Kick-off was
scheduled for ten o'clock. It's | 1:06:22 | 1:06:27 | |
moments away now. You can watch it
all on BBC Two. | 1:06:27 | 1:06:31 | |
The rugby union world
cup is two years away - | 1:06:31 | 1:06:36 | |
England head coach Eddie Jones
selecting several new faces | 1:06:36 | 1:06:38 | |
in his squad for the autumn
internationals next | 1:06:38 | 1:06:40 | |
month with that in mind. | 1:06:40 | 1:06:43 | |
After being left out,
prop Joe Marler is now available | 1:06:43 | 1:06:45 | |
for selection for two of the three
matches after his club succesfully | 1:06:45 | 1:06:48 | |
argued his ban for striking should
start sooner than a disciplinary | 1:06:48 | 1:06:51 | |
panel had initially rulled. | 1:06:51 | 1:06:52 | |
So as Jones prepares his team,
he could recall Marler for matches | 1:06:54 | 1:06:57 | |
with Australia and Samoa,
the first of those on the 18th. | 1:06:57 | 1:07:01 | |
All eyes on the Prinicpality Stadium
in Cardiff this weekend - | 1:07:06 | 1:07:08 | |
known for hosting rugby
more than boxing. | 1:07:08 | 1:07:10 | |
Not this weekend, as Anthony Joshua
looks to successfully defend his IBF | 1:07:10 | 1:07:13 | |
and WBA world titles
against the stand-in | 1:07:13 | 1:07:15 | |
challenger Carlos Takam. | 1:07:15 | 1:07:21 | |
The pair faced off in
the Welsh capital yesterday. | 1:07:21 | 1:07:23 | |
Joshua was due to face
the Bulgarian Kubrat Pulev, | 1:07:23 | 1:07:25 | |
but he had to withdraw,
because of injury. | 1:07:25 | 1:07:27 | |
It'll be the Briton's first contest
since defeating Wladimir Klitschko, | 1:07:27 | 1:07:29 | |
at Wembley in April. | 1:07:29 | 1:07:33 | |
The mindset of the fight needs to
believe that where it was, move onto | 1:07:41 | 1:07:44 | |
the next opportunity. If I am living
off past wins, I might as give up. | 1:07:44 | 1:07:49 | |
Boxing is unforgiving. I can't lose
this fight and say I won the last | 1:07:49 | 1:07:54 | |
one, nobody cares. I've got to move
on. | 1:07:54 | 1:07:59 | |
World Number One Dustin Johnson
leads the World Golf Championships | 1:07:59 | 1:08:02 | |
in Shanghai, after a second
round nine under par 63. | 1:08:02 | 1:08:04 | |
Justin Rose is the best
placed British player, | 1:08:04 | 1:08:06 | |
four shots behind at nine under. | 1:08:06 | 1:08:08 | |
His round included this birdie
on the 16th but a bogey on the final | 1:08:08 | 1:08:11 | |
hole pegged him back by a shot. | 1:08:11 | 1:08:15 | |
Good luck to him. That is all of the
sport. Back to you. | 1:08:15 | 1:08:19 | |
Earlier we were talking about
children and adolescent mental | 1:08:22 | 1:08:27 | |
health services. The real problem
some people have in accessing them. | 1:08:27 | 1:08:29 | |
One father told us his
eight-year-old son had to wait 18 | 1:08:29 | 1:08:33 | |
months to get that help. One viewer
says, heartbreaking watching your | 1:08:33 | 1:08:42 | |
report. This was my life's with
before I had to retire. It was a | 1:08:42 | 1:08:47 | |
superb job and experience. It is sad
it has ground down and all of that | 1:08:47 | 1:08:51 | |
experience is lost. Stephen got in
touch, saying I have been referred | 1:08:51 | 1:08:54 | |
to mental health services and was
contacted by a receptionist. I been | 1:08:54 | 1:08:59 | |
given an appointment in April.
Because I was contacted in two | 1:08:59 | 1:09:02 | |
weeks, officially, I am now having
treatment. But I will not have any | 1:09:02 | 1:09:05 | |
contact with any mental health
services until April. Keep those | 1:09:05 | 1:09:09 | |
thoughts coming. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:12 | |
There are few people
who could honestly say | 1:09:12 | 1:09:14 | |
they never did anything wrong
when they were growing up - | 1:09:14 | 1:09:16 | |
fighting in the playground,
stealing sweets from a shop, | 1:09:16 | 1:09:23 | |
breaking someone's window -
plenty of people would admit | 1:09:23 | 1:09:25 | |
they were things they did at some
point growing up. | 1:09:25 | 1:09:28 | |
But for some people who got
a criminal conviction - | 1:09:28 | 1:09:30 | |
or even a caution -
at a young age, those childhood | 1:09:30 | 1:09:33 | |
mistakes can follow them
for the rest of their life, | 1:09:33 | 1:09:35 | |
and seriously affect their chances
of getting a university place, job, | 1:09:35 | 1:09:38 | |
house or even visa to go
to certain countries. | 1:09:38 | 1:09:41 | |
A report out today from
Parliament's Justice Committee says | 1:09:41 | 1:09:45 | |
it's time the rules governing
the disclosure of childhood criminal | 1:09:45 | 1:09:47 | |
records were relaxed. | 1:09:47 | 1:09:50 | |
It suggests some sexual or violent
offences committed under the age | 1:09:50 | 1:09:53 | |
of 18 should not always be
automatically flagged up in checks - | 1:09:53 | 1:09:56 | |
but would employers,
for example those recruiting | 1:09:56 | 1:09:58 | |
teachers or people to work
with vulnerable people agree? | 1:09:58 | 1:10:05 | |
We can speak now to Eleanor Jones. | 1:10:05 | 1:10:08 | |
She's a qualified teacher -
but says two police reprimands | 1:10:08 | 1:10:11 | |
from when she was a child
still on her record have stopped her | 1:10:11 | 1:10:14 | |
from getting a job in a school. | 1:10:14 | 1:10:18 | |
Noel Williams had four criminal
convictions before he was 16, | 1:10:18 | 1:10:20 | |
including for violent crimes. | 1:10:20 | 1:10:22 | |
He's now reformed but says he's been
rejected from a huge number | 1:10:22 | 1:10:25 | |
of jobs and universities
because of his record. | 1:10:25 | 1:10:33 | |
Bob Neill is chair of parliament's
Justice Committee - | 1:10:33 | 1:10:36 | |
which is calling for these reforms. | 1:10:36 | 1:10:37 | |
He's a Conservative MP
and also a former barrister. | 1:10:37 | 1:10:39 | |
And Liz Navin-Jones is a partner
at recruitment firm Baker Harding - | 1:10:39 | 1:10:42 | |
they work in recruitment
across numerous industries | 1:10:42 | 1:10:44 | |
but also have a particular
specialism in education. | 1:10:44 | 1:10:52 | |
Thanks for taking the time to talk
to us. First, Noel, talk to us about | 1:10:52 | 1:10:58 | |
what you did as a young person, your
convictions and how it has affected | 1:10:58 | 1:11:03 | |
you in later life? I am some of the
debt grew up in social housing and I | 1:11:03 | 1:11:06 | |
grew up around a lot of other young
men who went out and committed what | 1:11:06 | 1:11:09 | |
we would call street violence,
getting involved in gang crime, ABH, | 1:11:09 | 1:11:15 | |
affray. Further on in my life, it
has been detrimental. I applied to | 1:11:15 | 1:11:20 | |
university, many universities and
could not get in. I mean I went for | 1:11:20 | 1:11:27 | |
30-40, there is a box you have to
take about whether you have a | 1:11:27 | 1:11:30 | |
criminal conviction, I am honest and
tell people. Then it comes with a | 1:11:30 | 1:11:33 | |
risk assessment. It is not easy for
people who have committed a crime | 1:11:33 | 1:11:36 | |
when they were younger to get a risk
assessment. So you tick the box | 1:11:36 | 1:11:43 | |
saying you have a criminal
conviction. Then you have to write | 1:11:43 | 1:11:47 | |
details about them or the university
would go and seek that out | 1:11:47 | 1:11:50 | |
themselves? The university would
like you to ask somebody else on | 1:11:50 | 1:11:54 | |
your behalf to write the risk
assessment for you, so it's not even | 1:11:54 | 1:11:58 | |
really your talk where you can sit
down with summary. Not every young | 1:11:58 | 1:12:01 | |
person has somebody to go to and get
a risk assessment from. When you | 1:12:01 | 1:12:04 | |
want to change your life, as I did,
getting into higher education, that | 1:12:04 | 1:12:08 | |
is something that is stopping you.
It is something that is a barrier, | 1:12:08 | 1:12:12 | |
rehabilitation to what we seek for
society, to make a better, but that | 1:12:12 | 1:12:16 | |
is a barrier against rehabilitation
to further your life and go further | 1:12:16 | 1:12:19 | |
on. Eleanor, what about you? I
received a caution when I was 11 for | 1:12:19 | 1:12:26 | |
arson. I received a caution for ABH
when I was 14. They are violent | 1:12:26 | 1:12:32 | |
crimes. Even though they are
cautions, so they are not as severe | 1:12:32 | 1:12:38 | |
as a conviction, on my record it
just shows the violent crimes. Just | 1:12:38 | 1:12:43 | |
explain what you did. I set fire to
a piece of toilet roll in the school | 1:12:43 | 1:12:47 | |
toilets. When I was 14, I had a
schoolgirl fight, really, just | 1:12:47 | 1:12:54 | |
scratching and pulling hair.
Obviously it is bad and I would not | 1:12:54 | 1:12:58 | |
do that now. For me, it is difficult
that this piece of paper, like Noel | 1:12:58 | 1:13:04 | |
said, it represents you. It
represents you as a criminal. So you | 1:13:04 | 1:13:12 | |
want to get a teaching job. I have a
teaching job, I am a teacher. It has | 1:13:12 | 1:13:18 | |
been a difficult journey. I teach
adults now because it was a real | 1:13:18 | 1:13:22 | |
barrier going into secondary
schools. I lived abroad for a while | 1:13:22 | 1:13:28 | |
and then when I came back into the
country I tried to get jobs with | 1:13:28 | 1:13:31 | |
supply agencies. The supply agencies
point Blank said to me schools do | 1:13:31 | 1:13:39 | |
not want someone with a criminal
record. So, it didn't even get to | 1:13:39 | 1:13:43 | |
the stage where it went to risk
assessment. Supply agencies need to | 1:13:43 | 1:13:48 | |
represent themselves. I wanted to
bring in Liz Neven Jones, who works | 1:13:48 | 1:13:56 | |
for a recruitment firm. Do you think
that mistakes that were made here, | 1:13:56 | 1:13:59 | |
as we heard from three Macron
Eleanor, should always be disclosed | 1:13:59 | 1:14:04 | |
to employers? Pin well, as a
recruiter, one always has to protect | 1:14:04 | 1:14:12 | |
your client. As the other people
said, they carry these mistakes that | 1:14:12 | 1:14:20 | |
they made as young people through
their lives. But we at the | 1:14:20 | 1:14:24 | |
recruitment stage, you have to draw
the line somewhere. You have to | 1:14:24 | 1:14:29 | |
really check out candidates. If that
information is available, if it is | 1:14:29 | 1:14:34 | |
on police records or whatever, then
you have to absolutely ensure that | 1:14:34 | 1:14:41 | |
you have done all of your checks. We
don't want people to be barred from | 1:14:41 | 1:14:48 | |
certain employment, and we don't
want people to have two be blighted | 1:14:48 | 1:14:53 | |
for the rest of their lives for
something that they did in a fit of | 1:14:53 | 1:14:57 | |
silliness when they were young. At
the same time, we do have to protect | 1:14:57 | 1:15:00 | |
our clients. If that information is
there, you cannot deny it is there | 1:15:00 | 1:15:05 | |
and you have to use it. As long as
the acts are as they are, the 1974 | 1:15:05 | 1:15:13 | |
act, that, I'm sorry, it has to be
the case. | 1:15:13 | 1:15:21 | |
Noel, do you want to speak to Liz? I
know that he and his committee are | 1:15:21 | 1:15:27 | |
working hard, and I understand the
woman's opinion there, and what I | 1:15:27 | 1:15:33 | |
get from the report is that there
are certain crimes, sexual and | 1:15:33 | 1:15:38 | |
violent crimes, then clearly come
over for whatever industry | 1:15:38 | 1:15:40 | |
violent crimes, then clearly come
over for whatever industry you are | 1:15:40 | 1:15:41 | |
going into, we need that
transparency. I agree with that | 1:15:41 | 1:15:44 | |
myself. Also, ethnically, there are
certain crimes that people commit, | 1:15:44 | 1:15:50 | |
which are more persistent in certain
areas. I think not all employers | 1:15:50 | 1:15:56 | |
will take the time to understand. I
understand what the woman is | 1:15:56 | 1:15:59 | |
alluding to | 1:15:59 | 1:16:02 | |
understand what the woman is
alluding to, but I don't think the | 1:16:02 | 1:16:07 | |
vetting they have is qualitative,
where they sit down and discuss what | 1:16:07 | 1:16:13 | |
it was. If you're going to read it
from a piece of paper and look at | 1:16:13 | 1:16:18 | |
arson, that doesn't look very good.
I get both points. But what we want | 1:16:18 | 1:16:24 | |
is in society is to rehabilitate our
young people to give them the best | 1:16:24 | 1:16:27 | |
chance to go forward, and I think we
need to incorporate some of what Bob | 1:16:27 | 1:16:31 | |
and his colleagues are saying into
our lives and into society, and it | 1:16:31 | 1:16:34 | |
will better us in the long run. Bob
Neill, your committee was behind | 1:16:34 | 1:16:39 | |
this report - is that the crux of
the issue is that? It has to be not | 1:16:39 | 1:16:44 | |
such a simplistic system. If you
tick a box saying you have a | 1:16:44 | 1:16:50 | |
criminal conviction, sometimes
attends there. That is entirely | 1:16:50 | 1:16:54 | |
right, and it is part of the problem
with a tick box culture, and it is a | 1:16:54 | 1:16:59 | |
cover your back culture from the
person doing that sift, and they | 1:16:59 | 1:17:03 | |
don't take it any further.
Ultimately, it is possible to get | 1:17:03 | 1:17:09 | |
through that process, but it is a
struggle. And we have lots of | 1:17:09 | 1:17:13 | |
evidence to that account. Lots of
people don't move past that stage, | 1:17:13 | 1:17:15 | |
and we think that is wrong. There
will always be instances when the | 1:17:15 | 1:17:20 | |
conviction is relevant, and that
meets Liz's point. If someone has | 1:17:20 | 1:17:25 | |
stolen money and they are being
interviewed for a job where they | 1:17:25 | 1:17:29 | |
would be handling money, it might
well be relevant. If it was bad | 1:17:29 | 1:17:33 | |
behaviour of a sexual or violent
kind and you would be dealing with | 1:17:33 | 1:17:39 | |
vulnerable people, that would be
relevant. We're talking particularly | 1:17:39 | 1:17:43 | |
about offences committed by children
who are then moving on beyond that. | 1:17:43 | 1:17:49 | |
So we want a separate system to deal
with children from adult offenders. | 1:17:49 | 1:17:54 | |
And we also think that the law,
which is piecemeal, needs to be | 1:17:54 | 1:17:59 | |
simplified so that you have a system
whereby things are not automatically | 1:17:59 | 1:18:04 | |
disclosed, they are disclosed where
they are relevant. And in deciding | 1:18:04 | 1:18:09 | |
that, you take into account the
nature of the offence, not just the | 1:18:09 | 1:18:14 | |
title, how long ago it was, and how
seriously the court regarded it. If | 1:18:14 | 1:18:19 | |
they gave conditional discharge for
it never even went to court and was | 1:18:19 | 1:18:22 | |
dealt with through a caution, that
is less serious in the scheme of | 1:18:22 | 1:18:26 | |
things than someone who to custody.
It doesn't make it right, but it is | 1:18:26 | 1:18:32 | |
being proportionate about the risk
for the future. Liz, does that make | 1:18:32 | 1:18:36 | |
sense from an employer's
perspective? It certainly makes | 1:18:36 | 1:18:41 | |
sense, and in an ideal world, it
would be set up so that any | 1:18:41 | 1:18:46 | |
information we did receive, we could
then qualify yet and quantify it. As | 1:18:46 | 1:18:51 | |
it stands at the moment, the 1974
act was reformed in 2014, I think. | 1:18:51 | 1:19:00 | |
Bob will know better than I do. So
certain convictions, the spent | 1:19:00 | 1:19:05 | |
period on them was lowered,
precisely for these reasons that Bob | 1:19:05 | 1:19:09 | |
is pointing out. To have committed a
crime at a young age and then to | 1:19:09 | 1:19:15 | |
have to carry through the rest of
your life is obviously going to be | 1:19:15 | 1:19:20 | |
detrimental, but it is only for
certain industries, only certain | 1:19:20 | 1:19:27 | |
sections of employment that they do
carry those through. The others are | 1:19:27 | 1:19:32 | |
spent, they are finished. If you are
cautioned for stealing apples when | 1:19:32 | 1:19:36 | |
you were six years old, that doesn't
necessarily carry through to any | 1:19:36 | 1:19:42 | |
employment that you would be looking
for. It would only be, as Eleanor | 1:19:42 | 1:19:47 | |
was saying, in teaching, dealing
with children. All that information | 1:19:47 | 1:19:51 | |
has to be given to clients. From our
point of view, from a recruiter's | 1:19:51 | 1:19:57 | |
point of view, as I said before, if
the information is there, we would | 1:19:57 | 1:20:01 | |
be negligent not to use it. As
Eleanor was saying, the supply | 1:20:01 | 1:20:08 | |
agencies were very cautious about
putting her in a school because she | 1:20:08 | 1:20:14 | |
had those awful black mark, albeit
seemingly unjust, but that is the | 1:20:14 | 1:20:17 | |
way it is at the moment. If Bob can
change things in Parliament so that | 1:20:17 | 1:20:21 | |
we can clearly no where we can use
information of where we can't, then | 1:20:21 | 1:20:27 | |
that would be the ideal world. I
don't want to see these young people | 1:20:27 | 1:20:34 | |
blighted, as I said, for the whole
of their lives because of one silly | 1:20:34 | 1:20:37 | |
act that they committed when they
were a little bit worse for wear | 1:20:37 | 1:20:43 | |
after their first sample of a glass
of cider or whatever. We want to | 1:20:43 | 1:20:47 | |
have information. We can't deny in
the 21st century that information is | 1:20:47 | 1:20:54 | |
plentiful, and if employers didn't
have that information given to them, | 1:20:54 | 1:20:56 | |
they were going -- they are going to
find it out anyway. Information, | 1:20:56 | 1:21:03 | |
nowadays, is something we can't deny
we're going to have more and more | 1:21:03 | 1:21:07 | |
of, and candidates coming to look
for jobs, looking for houses or | 1:21:07 | 1:21:11 | |
going to universities, if they have
committed these offences, they have | 1:21:11 | 1:21:15 | |
to carry them through their lives
and explain them very coherently. | 1:21:15 | 1:21:19 | |
Let me read this e-mail that has
from Andrew. Thanks for getting in | 1:21:19 | 1:21:23 | |
touch, Andrew. He says: I was 16 and
got caught doing graffiti on our | 1:21:23 | 1:21:30 | |
bus. I had a tussle with a conductor
and we both hit each other. In | 1:21:30 | 1:21:35 | |
court, they offered to lower the
fine if I admitted assault. Almost | 1:21:35 | 1:21:41 | |
30 years on, I still had to explain
this in job interviews. I think | 1:21:41 | 1:21:46 | |
that's the problem. I understand
Liz's point, but since 2014, | 1:21:46 | 1:21:50 | |
although there was some reform, it
was piecemeal, as I said, and since | 1:21:50 | 1:21:54 | |
then there has been the decision of
a Court of Appeal in 2016 that says | 1:21:54 | 1:22:00 | |
the current system, especially in
relation to young people, is, in | 1:22:00 | 1:22:03 | |
their words, disproportionate and
not in line with human rights law. | 1:22:03 | 1:22:08 | |
We need the Government to update the
law to reflect that, so that it | 1:22:08 | 1:22:14 | |
takes into account the nature of the
offence, how long ago it was. | 1:22:14 | 1:22:19 | |
Evidence shows that young people
move away from crime as they mature | 1:22:19 | 1:22:22 | |
and get into their 20s. The best way
to make sure people don't fall back | 1:22:22 | 1:22:27 | |
into crime is to get them back into
employment or education and get them | 1:22:27 | 1:22:32 | |
stable housing. We found this was
getting on the work -- in the way of | 1:22:32 | 1:22:36 | |
people getting on housing lists,
leaving them unable to drive for a | 1:22:36 | 1:22:40 | |
job they were going to go for. 30
years after the fact, should people | 1:22:40 | 1:22:48 | |
be explaining something which
happened when they were 16? What | 1:22:48 | 1:22:50 | |
about people at home who say that
they understand Eleanor and Noble | 1:22:50 | 1:22:58 | |
explaining their mistakes of the
past, but the parent of a child | 1:22:58 | 1:23:05 | |
going to the school, they might say,
the crime is nonetheless arson, and | 1:23:05 | 1:23:12 | |
I don't want that person teaching my
child. Can you understand that | 1:23:12 | 1:23:15 | |
viewpoint? I'll let Eleanor respond
and then you go ahead. She did a | 1:23:15 | 1:23:21 | |
sharp intake of breath! Obviously, I
can see it from the parents' point | 1:23:21 | 1:23:27 | |
of view, but as an 11-year-old, you
don't think about consequences of | 1:23:27 | 1:23:32 | |
your actions. You do stupid things.
Not only that thing that has now | 1:23:32 | 1:23:37 | |
affected me for the rest of my life,
there are many things I wouldn't do | 1:23:37 | 1:23:42 | |
now as a grown-up, as a 28-year-old,
that I did when I was 11. I don't | 1:23:42 | 1:23:47 | |
play hide and Seek, for example.
When I was 14 and all the hormones | 1:23:47 | 1:23:53 | |
and things... Yeah, and having a
fight with another girl, I wouldn't | 1:23:53 | 1:24:00 | |
do that now. I see the point, but
yeah. I fully understand and get | 1:24:00 | 1:24:07 | |
what you're saying, but we have
behavioural schools, and lots of | 1:24:07 | 1:24:14 | |
ex-offenders were there, because the
young people are displaying the | 1:24:14 | 1:24:18 | |
behaviour they identify with. They
have changed their lives and | 1:24:18 | 1:24:21 | |
understand where things are going,
and it is all right for people to | 1:24:21 | 1:24:24 | |
work in those type of schools but
not in mainstream schools. There is | 1:24:24 | 1:24:28 | |
something fantastic that came from
the report, which I want to | 1:24:28 | 1:24:32 | |
highlight, which said that we should
maybe look to extend the time to the | 1:24:32 | 1:24:36 | |
age of 25. As you said, Bob, most of
the evidence says that people when | 1:24:36 | 1:24:40 | |
they get into their early 20s, have
a child, get a job or have something | 1:24:40 | 1:24:45 | |
that takes them away from crime, I
just want to say if you have | 1:24:45 | 1:24:49 | |
committed a crime at 16 and we have
a lengthy extension to 25, you could | 1:24:49 | 1:24:57 | |
get university done, make the first
step on your career, and the one has | 1:24:57 | 1:25:00 | |
to know anything. If all you have to
talk about is that you got a | 1:25:00 | 1:25:07 | |
conviction and you can't get into
education or employment, if we turn | 1:25:07 | 1:25:10 | |
it around and look at
rehabilitation, we could get better | 1:25:10 | 1:25:15 | |
numbers. Thank you for coming in and
sharing your experiences. | 1:25:15 | 1:25:23 | |
As a report says that the NHS was
underprepared for a cyber attack, we | 1:25:23 | 1:25:29 | |
hear about how a repeat attack can
be prevented, and how you can | 1:25:29 | 1:25:33 | |
prevent yourself -- protect
yourself. | 1:25:33 | 1:25:37 | |
English football really isn't
renowned for its success | 1:25:37 | 1:25:39 | |
at World Cups, but tomorrow evening
in Kolkata England's Under 17s | 1:25:39 | 1:25:41 | |
will be playing Spain
in a World Cup Final. | 1:25:41 | 1:25:44 | |
The side beat Brazil 3-1
in Wednesday's semi-final - | 1:25:44 | 1:25:51 | |
with Liverpool youth player
Rhian Brewster scoring a hat-trick. | 1:25:51 | 1:25:53 | |
This year has already seen England's
under 20s win their World Cup, | 1:25:53 | 1:25:56 | |
while the under 19s won the European
Championships. | 1:25:56 | 1:26:00 | |
So, as the youth sides dominate -
the likely questions will be asked | 1:26:00 | 1:26:04 | |
about whether this will translate
into future success | 1:26:04 | 1:26:06 | |
for the senior side. | 1:26:06 | 1:26:15 | |
Let's talk first to Rahul Tandon. | 1:26:15 | 1:26:17 | |
He's a BBC Sport Reporter in Kolkata
who was at England's semi-final | 1:26:17 | 1:26:25 | |
and will be at tomorrow's final. | 1:26:25 | 1:26:27 | |
We can also talk to
Ian Brewster, father | 1:26:27 | 1:26:28 | |
of Rhian Brewster who scored
a hat-trick in the semi-final, and | 1:26:28 | 1:26:31 | |
Simon Bird, football writer
for the Daily Mirror | 1:26:31 | 1:26:33 | |
who focusses on youth football. | 1:26:33 | 1:26:34 | |
Ian, how proud are you right now?
Very proud. I'm only just coming | 1:26:34 | 1:26:37 | |
back down to earth, so to speak.
Clearly, you know your son is a | 1:26:37 | 1:26:42 | |
great player. You are his bad and
you support him, but are you | 1:26:42 | 1:26:45 | |
surprised by his performance in this
competition? I would say more | 1:26:45 | 1:26:49 | |
surprised at the second hat-trick.
The first one, I spoke to him before | 1:26:49 | 1:26:55 | |
the game on Saturday, I takes at him
and said, it's about time you turned | 1:26:55 | 1:27:01 | |
up, because his performances didn't
sort of, like... Well, they | 1:27:01 | 1:27:09 | |
warranted more success, so to speak.
He rewarded me with a hat-trick. | 1:27:09 | 1:27:13 | |
What he did on Wednesday I couldn't
believe. To score another hat-trick | 1:27:13 | 1:27:19 | |
was just phenomenal. Simon, tell us
about the semifinal. People who | 1:27:19 | 1:27:23 | |
haven't been watching, a 3-1 defeat
Brazil is no mean feat might. It was | 1:27:23 | 1:27:28 | |
a wonderful performance. It
indicated how much progress the | 1:27:28 | 1:27:33 | |
youth ranks are making in the
England setup. They showed | 1:27:33 | 1:27:36 | |
composure, were good on the ball,
had all those English traits of | 1:27:36 | 1:27:40 | |
being athletic and quick, and Mr
Brewster was fantastic finishing as | 1:27:40 | 1:27:45 | |
well. The future is bright. Every
age group in the England setup has a | 1:27:45 | 1:27:51 | |
real club mentality. They have been
with each other from the age of 15, | 1:27:51 | 1:27:55 | |
right through the ranks, and they
know each other's strengths and | 1:27:55 | 1:27:59 | |
weaknesses, and they are proving
themselves right up there best | 1:27:59 | 1:28:02 | |
amongst in the world for their age.
The challenge is to get that | 1:28:02 | 1:28:06 | |
translate into the senior side. What
happens, in your view, between going | 1:28:06 | 1:28:10 | |
from success in the unders category
through to full international level? | 1:28:10 | 1:28:18 | |
Is it a different mentality? Is it
hunger, and they don't have lots of | 1:28:18 | 1:28:25 | |
money, sports cars and distractions?
Money could be a part of it. The | 1:28:25 | 1:28:30 | |
biggest problem the FA recognise and
try to talk to clubs about is the | 1:28:30 | 1:28:33 | |
pathway from being a brilliant
junior at the age of 20 and then | 1:28:33 | 1:28:37 | |
getting experience in what they call
man football, not out on loan in the | 1:28:37 | 1:28:42 | |
junior leagues. These guys need to
be playing in the Premier League. At | 1:28:42 | 1:28:47 | |
the under 21 tournament in the
summer, there was a remarkable | 1:28:47 | 1:28:50 | |
statistic that showed that the
England squad had 20,000 Premier | 1:28:50 | 1:28:55 | |
League minutes under their belts,
but the Germans had 37,000 in their | 1:28:55 | 1:29:02 | |
big league. To be on top of the
world in the under 20 category and | 1:29:02 | 1:29:12 | |
then being 23 and moving on... The
clubs have a big responsibility. | 1:29:12 | 1:29:16 | |
They want to stay in the Premier
League. We have the richest clubs in | 1:29:16 | 1:29:20 | |
the world, who by players in and
don't necessarily give you the | 1:29:20 | 1:29:23 | |
chance when they should. Spurs are
leading the way. They have some | 1:29:23 | 1:29:28 | |
wonderful young players getting
opportunities now. Harry Kane and | 1:29:28 | 1:29:33 | |
Deli Alli came through the ranks and
are very young. We are an English | 1:29:33 | 1:29:43 | |
league, and it would be great if we
could see is more of these brilliant | 1:29:43 | 1:29:46 | |
under 20s coming through the ranks,
getting first-team experience in our | 1:29:46 | 1:29:50 | |
own top league. Your son is in
getting first-team games, so then | 1:29:50 | 1:30:01 | |
there is that difficult decision. I
know that Jurgen Klopp has been | 1:30:01 | 1:30:04 | |
really impressed by your son, but is
he going to have to make a decision | 1:30:04 | 1:30:08 | |
about moving to a different club,
playing loverly, or as we heard, | 1:30:08 | 1:30:12 | |
having to sit there and hope that
Liverpool play him and give him | 1:30:12 | 1:30:15 | |
Premier League minutes? | 1:30:15 | 1:30:19 | |
At this stage, bearing in mind his
age, experience and what he's doing | 1:30:19 | 1:30:23 | |
at the moment, I think it is
something we are not focusing on in | 1:30:23 | 1:30:29 | |
his mind at this moment in time. It
is really more about his | 1:30:29 | 1:30:31 | |
development, pushing onto that next
level. I think it is bit early to be | 1:30:31 | 1:30:37 | |
saying first-team football. When you
speak to him, of course that is his | 1:30:37 | 1:30:41 | |
ultimate goal. But he knows he has
got a slightly better pathway in | 1:30:41 | 1:30:45 | |
Liverpool and he will continue in
that vein. At 16, he is playing | 1:30:45 | 1:30:52 | |
under 23 football. He was probably a
year ahead of where we thought he | 1:30:52 | 1:30:59 | |
would be at this stage. If you were
asking the same question when he was | 1:30:59 | 1:31:04 | |
19 or 20, yes, you would probably
have to start looking at things like | 1:31:04 | 1:31:08 | |
that. At this stage it is all about
his development, still enjoying the | 1:31:08 | 1:31:11 | |
game. Hopefully his exploits were
getting there sooner rather than | 1:31:11 | 1:31:14 | |
later. Where are you watching a
game? Guillemot -- I am in Atlanta | 1:31:14 | 1:31:23 | |
at the moment. I will still be here.
I will be at my friend's house | 1:31:23 | 1:31:33 | |
watching the game. Best of luck,
thanks for talking to us. | 1:31:33 | 1:31:38 | |
Still to come, we will be live from
Barcelona as the Spanish Prime | 1:31:38 | 1:31:42 | |
Minister Mariano Rajoy urges the
Senator to let Madrid take control | 1:31:42 | 1:31:45 | |
of Catalonia. As files on the
assassination of John F Kennedy are | 1:31:45 | 1:31:51 | |
released, we will speak to a woman
who was there on the day when she | 1:31:51 | 1:31:54 | |
was just 11. | 1:31:54 | 1:31:55 | |
Time for the latest
news - here's Vicki. | 1:31:56 | 1:32:01 | |
The Security Minister, Ben Wallace,
has publicly blamed North Korea | 1:32:01 | 1:32:03 | |
for the cyber attack which crippled
parts of the NHS in May. | 1:32:03 | 1:32:07 | |
The National Audit Office has found
that the attack could have been | 1:32:07 | 1:32:10 | |
blocked if basic IT security
measures had been in place. | 1:32:10 | 1:32:19 | |
We have capabilities in government
to track that. I can't go further | 1:32:20 | 1:32:25 | |
into our capabilities but there are
strong signs that came from North | 1:32:25 | 1:32:30 | |
Korea. Ourselves and I think the
United States also agree with that. | 1:32:30 | 1:32:33 | |
Thousands of children across England
are having to face extremley long | 1:32:33 | 1:32:35 | |
waiting times for mental health
treatment, according to a review | 1:32:35 | 1:32:40 | |
by Government inspectors. | 1:32:41 | 1:32:42 | |
The Care Quality Commission found
that services are too | 1:32:42 | 1:32:44 | |
fragmented and hard to access. | 1:32:44 | 1:32:45 | |
The Department of Health says
it is investing an extra | 1:32:45 | 1:32:51 | |
1.4 billion in children's
mental health services | 1:32:51 | 1:32:52 | |
over the next four years. | 1:32:52 | 1:32:54 | |
The Spanish prime minister,
Mariano Rajoy, has urged the Senate | 1:32:54 | 1:32:56 | |
to let Madrid take control
of Catalonia, accusing the region's | 1:32:56 | 1:32:59 | |
leaders of fracturing society. | 1:32:59 | 1:33:03 | |
The Catalan authorities say
such a move would worsen | 1:33:03 | 1:33:06 | |
the political crisis,
making a declaration | 1:33:06 | 1:33:10 | |
of independence by the regional
parliament more likely - | 1:33:10 | 1:33:12 | |
though no decision has
been reached yet. | 1:33:12 | 1:33:16 | |
Australia's High Court has
ruled that the country's | 1:33:17 | 1:33:19 | |
deputy prime minister,
Barnaby Joyce, should be | 1:33:19 | 1:33:20 | |
disqualified from office
because he held dual | 1:33:20 | 1:33:22 | |
citizenship when elected. | 1:33:22 | 1:33:27 | |
The verdict has cost the Australian
government its one-seat majority | 1:33:27 | 1:33:30 | |
in parliament and a by-election
will now be held in December. | 1:33:30 | 1:33:32 | |
Four other politicians have also
been ruled ineligible | 1:33:32 | 1:33:34 | |
to remain in parliament. | 1:33:34 | 1:33:39 | |
The UK's most senior civil servant,
Jeremy Heywood, has been treated for | 1:33:48 | 1:33:51 | |
cancer. He was diagnosed in June
according to his office and | 1:33:51 | 1:33:54 | |
treatment went well. The statement
also says that he remains totally | 1:33:54 | 1:33:58 | |
focused on his duties as head of the
civil service. That is the latest | 1:33:58 | 1:34:05 | |
BBC News. | 1:34:05 | 1:34:06 | |
Here's some sport now
with John Watson. | 1:34:06 | 1:34:08 | |
The opening game of the Rugby League
world cup is under way - | 1:34:08 | 1:34:11 | |
and what a start for England
against the co hosts | 1:34:11 | 1:34:14 | |
Australia in Melbourne. | 1:34:14 | 1:34:15 | |
Jermaine McGillvary scored this
try in the 4th minute | 1:34:15 | 1:34:17 | |
against the reigning champions. | 1:34:17 | 1:34:22 | |
They're currently lead 4-0. | 1:34:22 | 1:34:26 | |
England haven't beaten Australia
since the opening match of the 1995 | 1:34:27 | 1:34:30 | |
Rugby League World Cup! | 1:34:30 | 1:34:31 | |
In rugby union, Harlequins prop
Joe Marler will be available to face | 1:34:31 | 1:34:34 | |
Australia in the Autumn
internationals on the | 1:34:34 | 1:34:36 | |
18th of November. | 1:34:36 | 1:34:37 | |
He was set to miss out,
but his club have successfully | 1:34:37 | 1:34:39 | |
argued his ban for striking should
start sooner. | 1:34:39 | 1:34:43 | |
And a big weekend ahead
for Anthony Joshua - | 1:34:43 | 1:34:46 | |
in Cardiff at the Principality
Staidum, known more | 1:34:46 | 1:34:48 | |
for its rugby than boxing. | 1:34:48 | 1:34:51 | |
He hopes to succesfully defend
the two titles he holds, | 1:34:51 | 1:34:54 | |
but he's eyeing more. | 1:34:54 | 1:34:55 | |
He wants to become the first
man to hold all four | 1:34:55 | 1:34:57 | |
heavyweight world titles,
by picking up two more belts | 1:34:57 | 1:35:00 | |
to unify the division. | 1:35:00 | 1:35:05 | |
That will most likely come next
year. That is all of the sport. Back | 1:35:05 | 1:35:08 | |
to you. We were talking earlier
about mental health services for | 1:35:08 | 1:35:15 | |
young people and adolescents. One
man spoke to us, his eight-year-old | 1:35:15 | 1:35:21 | |
son had to wait 18 months to access
the services. Once he got the help, | 1:35:21 | 1:35:25 | |
he said it was incredible, the
support and the NHS really helped | 1:35:25 | 1:35:29 | |
his son. But the 18 month wait was a
real problem. We have had this text | 1:35:29 | 1:35:32 | |
from a viewer. I want to praise the
professional, prompt treatment my | 1:35:32 | 1:35:41 | |
son received from CAMHS at the
thorny wood centre. It is one of the | 1:35:41 | 1:35:49 | |
main reasons I feel proud to be
British, the NHS. The crisis in | 1:35:49 | 1:35:55 | |
Catalonia is deepening this morning
after the Spanish Prime Minister, | 1:35:55 | 1:35:59 | |
Mariano Rajoy, asked the Senate to
approve Madrid's proposals to sack | 1:35:59 | 1:36:03 | |
the Catalan government. The Catalan
parliament could respond by | 1:36:03 | 1:36:06 | |
declaring independence unilaterally.
Tim Wilcox is in Barcelona. Bring us | 1:36:06 | 1:36:13 | |
right up to date with developments
over the last 30 minutes or so. | 1:36:13 | 1:36:18 | |
Well, actually, after weeks of
turmoil, mass demonstrations and | 1:36:18 | 1:36:23 | |
chaos, quite frankly, this Catalan
crisis is finally coming to a head | 1:36:23 | 1:36:27 | |
today. As you just said, in the last
hour, Mariano Rajoy, the Spanish | 1:36:27 | 1:36:33 | |
Prime Minister, a member of the
Popular Party has been addressing | 1:36:33 | 1:36:36 | |
the Senate, where he has a majority.
His message was stark. Breaking the | 1:36:36 | 1:36:42 | |
law, he told senators, has
consequences. So we expect the | 1:36:42 | 1:36:45 | |
Senate to vote quite soon on
invoking Article 150 five. It has | 1:36:45 | 1:36:50 | |
never been used before. The nuclear
option, that has been described by | 1:36:50 | 1:36:54 | |
many commentators. That is imposing
direct rule from Madrid over | 1:36:54 | 1:36:57 | |
autonomous region here in Spain. I
am standing outside the Catalan | 1:36:57 | 1:37:02 | |
parliament. Carles Puigdemont, the
Catalan President, has not arrived | 1:37:02 | 1:37:07 | |
yet. One of the motions they will be
voting on, we understand, is a | 1:37:07 | 1:37:13 | |
declaration of Independence,
declaring that Catalonia is a | 1:37:13 | 1:37:18 | |
sovereign, independent state and
notifying the EU about that. This | 1:37:18 | 1:37:22 | |
region is split. It is not just a
battle between Catalonia and Madrid. | 1:37:22 | 1:37:26 | |
It is an internal battle between the
people that want to be independent | 1:37:26 | 1:37:30 | |
and those that don't. I spoke to a
separatist MP as he walked into | 1:37:30 | 1:37:34 | |
Parliament today and asked if they
would actually, finally, declare | 1:37:34 | 1:37:39 | |
independence. A declaration of
Independence, as you know, was | 1:37:39 | 1:37:45 | |
actually signed by MPs in
Parliament. It was not voted. So now | 1:37:45 | 1:37:52 | |
the vote will take place, if
everything goes as scheduled. OK. As | 1:37:52 | 1:37:57 | |
soon as that happens, Article 155,
we understand will be imposed. What | 1:37:57 | 1:38:03 | |
then? That depends on the Spanish
governed. That is what they have | 1:38:03 | 1:38:07 | |
threatened us with doing. They will
try to apply some of the very strict | 1:38:07 | 1:38:10 | |
measures that will in fact suspend
the Catalan home rule. The idea is | 1:38:10 | 1:38:17 | |
that it independence is already
proclaimed, the Spanish legal system | 1:38:17 | 1:38:20 | |
and whatever legal menace Mariano
Rajoy makes, that will not apply to | 1:38:20 | 1:38:32 | |
the Catalan region. What will happen
with the ministers, the civil | 1:38:32 | 1:38:38 | |
service and the police? We don't
know. We don't know the future. But | 1:38:38 | 1:38:42 | |
surely, you have had years to work
out what to do in a moment like | 1:38:42 | 1:38:46 | |
this. So what are the contingency
plans? We know what we want, we want | 1:38:46 | 1:38:52 | |
a very peaceful environment where
MPs in parliament can vote. Then we | 1:38:52 | 1:38:58 | |
can start talks with the Spanish
government in Madrid. I think that | 1:38:58 | 1:39:01 | |
would be the best thing. We have
stretched out our hand, we have | 1:39:01 | 1:39:04 | |
tried to talk for a number of times
with international mediation. It | 1:39:04 | 1:39:08 | |
hasn't been possible. We were
speaking earlier on to voters in | 1:39:08 | 1:39:13 | |
Catalonia who were saying they were
quite frustrated by the brinkmanship | 1:39:13 | 1:39:16 | |
that seems to be going on between
the Catalonian politicians and the | 1:39:16 | 1:39:22 | |
Spanish politicians. What reaction
are you hearing? Well, there is | 1:39:22 | 1:39:28 | |
anger among supporters of Carles
Puigdemont, the separatists. They | 1:39:28 | 1:39:31 | |
say he has bottled it, basically.
You could have declared unilateral | 1:39:31 | 1:39:37 | |
independence yesterday. At one stage
she was going to declare snap | 1:39:37 | 1:39:41 | |
elections and he pulled back. On the
other hand, you have people that | 1:39:41 | 1:39:44 | |
don't want to leave Madrid, they
want to stay part of Spain, and they | 1:39:44 | 1:39:47 | |
are furious with him. I think there
is an argument to be made that, in | 1:39:47 | 1:39:52 | |
some quarters, this is irresponsible
politics. Carles Puigdemont, who has | 1:39:52 | 1:39:57 | |
devoted his life to independence, is
always raising the bar, always | 1:39:57 | 1:40:01 | |
saying, OK, I'm going to do this,
and then stepping back from it. It | 1:40:01 | 1:40:05 | |
leads to frustration amongst his own
supporters and real anger amongst | 1:40:05 | 1:40:08 | |
those who don't want to leave Spain
because they are saying he is | 1:40:08 | 1:40:12 | |
playing with the political voters in
this region. It is a very | 1:40:12 | 1:40:18 | |
complicated, very divided society.
The Nationalists, the separatists, | 1:40:18 | 1:40:21 | |
have made it their ambition for
years and decades to be independent. | 1:40:21 | 1:40:28 | |
When it comes to finally announcing
it, they have stepped back until, | 1:40:28 | 1:40:32 | |
potentially, today. That could
finally be crunch time. Thank you | 1:40:32 | 1:40:36 | |
for updating us. | 1:40:36 | 1:40:38 | |
An investigation has found that
a malware attack that crippled parts | 1:40:38 | 1:40:41 | |
of the NHS in May could have been
prevented if basic IT security | 1:40:41 | 1:40:44 | |
measures had been in place. | 1:40:44 | 1:40:47 | |
Nearly 7000 NHS
appointments were cancelled | 1:40:47 | 1:40:49 | |
as a result of the incident. | 1:40:49 | 1:40:52 | |
The National Audit Office said
the health service was not prepared | 1:40:52 | 1:40:56 | |
for the attack in which
criminals froze computers | 1:40:56 | 1:40:58 | |
and demanded a ransom. | 1:40:58 | 1:40:59 | |
It calls on the NHS to develop
a clear plan to deal | 1:40:59 | 1:41:02 | |
with future threats. | 1:41:02 | 1:41:09 | |
In a moment we will discuss how they
can do that. First, what is | 1:41:09 | 1:41:13 | |
ransomware and how can it be
stopped? Unite it is a malicious | 1:41:13 | 1:41:17 | |
computer virus that threatens to
destroy your files or your | 1:41:17 | 1:41:20 | |
reputation unless you pay the
criminals a fee. Some examples | 1:41:20 | 1:41:26 | |
incredible scramble your photos,
videos and documents and they can | 1:41:26 | 1:41:29 | |
only be decrypted if you pay a
ransom. Sometimes, software will | 1:41:29 | 1:41:32 | |
claim you have been caught watching
pornography or downloading illegal | 1:41:32 | 1:41:36 | |
images and threaten to e-mail all of
your contacts and expose you unless | 1:41:36 | 1:41:39 | |
you paid a ransom. Usually these
programmes impose a deadline, so if | 1:41:39 | 1:41:43 | |
you don't pay in time the ransom
goes up. Some cases of ransomware | 1:41:43 | 1:41:48 | |
are just smoke and mirrors, trying
to scare you into paying up. | 1:41:48 | 1:41:52 | |
Unfortunately, in most cases they
really do encrypt your files. That | 1:41:52 | 1:41:55 | |
means the only way to get them back
is either to resort to a back-up or | 1:41:55 | 1:41:59 | |
to cave in to their demands. When
you're dealing with blackmailers, | 1:41:59 | 1:42:03 | |
you have absolutely no guarantee
that you will get your files back or | 1:42:03 | 1:42:06 | |
that he won't get infected again.
The best way to protect yourself is | 1:42:06 | 1:42:11 | |
by following some age-old advice.
Don't open attachments or links in | 1:42:11 | 1:42:15 | |
unsolicited e-mails. Keep your
computer software patches up to | 1:42:15 | 1:42:19 | |
date. Keep a copy of all of your
important files on an external drive | 1:42:19 | 1:42:22 | |
so you have a back-up if the worst
comes to the worst and contact an | 1:42:22 | 1:42:25 | |
expert if it happens to you. You
might also be a better get some help | 1:42:25 | 1:42:29 | |
from your local police. | 1:42:29 | 1:42:31 | |
Joining me now is Kingsley
Manning, the former | 1:42:31 | 1:42:33 | |
chair of NHS Digital -
they're responsible for overseeing | 1:42:33 | 1:42:35 | |
cyber security for the NHS
in England, | 1:42:35 | 1:42:39 | |
Emily Orton, a cyber
security analyst from | 1:42:39 | 1:42:41 | |
the software company Darktrace,
and in Woking, Surrey, | 1:42:41 | 1:42:46 | |
Rob Shapland, an Ethical
Hacker from the penetration testing | 1:42:46 | 1:42:48 | |
team at First Base Technologies. | 1:42:48 | 1:42:56 | |
Thank you for speaking to us about
this today. First of all, Kingsley | 1:42:57 | 1:43:03 | |
Manning, people reading this story
will be a little bit perplexed about | 1:43:03 | 1:43:05 | |
how basic IT security wasn't
administered within the NHS. Yes, | 1:43:05 | 1:43:13 | |
quite rightly so. It is important to
distinguish which part of the NHS we | 1:43:13 | 1:43:19 | |
are talking about. It is not a
single organisation, it is complex | 1:43:19 | 1:43:22 | |
and vulnerable to these types of
attacks. Much of the NHS was | 1:43:22 | 1:43:27 | |
completely compromised. There was no
problem for the national systems, | 1:43:27 | 1:43:30 | |
they were highly resistant and
survived the attack, and previous | 1:43:30 | 1:43:33 | |
attacks very well indeed. There was
a small part of the system which had | 1:43:33 | 1:43:36 | |
been advised to patch the system and
make the changes. They have been | 1:43:36 | 1:43:42 | |
advised several times over a number
of years to improve. But they failed | 1:43:42 | 1:43:45 | |
to do so. They represented about a
third of the trusts and about 15% of | 1:43:45 | 1:43:49 | |
GPs. It is part of the NHS that were
caught up, not as a target, but as a | 1:43:49 | 1:43:56 | |
victim of an international problem.
Emily, do you find this uprising | 1:43:56 | 1:43:59 | |
that parts of the NHS were told to
basically download something and | 1:43:59 | 1:44:02 | |
didn't? I don't, actually. This was
an international campaign, it is not | 1:44:02 | 1:44:11 | |
just the NHS. Very large companies
were hit by this, that are much | 1:44:11 | 1:44:14 | |
better resourced and have less
excuse, probably, than the NHS. So | 1:44:14 | 1:44:21 | |
we need to bear in mind and keep
that context in our heads. Why is it | 1:44:21 | 1:44:26 | |
so difficult? Well, yes, they should
have patched. It's a bit like | 1:44:26 | 1:44:30 | |
washing your hands. It is going to
reduce your risk, it is helping you | 1:44:30 | 1:44:36 | |
protect against vulnerabilities that
the industry knows about and has a | 1:44:36 | 1:44:38 | |
patch for. The patch, is a
time-consuming, expensive, why did | 1:44:38 | 1:44:42 | |
the NHS not do it? As has been
mentioned, lots of disparate | 1:44:42 | 1:44:49 | |
different organisations doesn't
help. It really does depend on | 1:44:49 | 1:44:55 | |
resources. Does it cost money, do
you have to pay for it, does it take | 1:44:55 | 1:44:59 | |
a long time? If you get an e-mail
saying you need to do that, why | 1:44:59 | 1:45:02 | |
didn't part of the NHS do it? I
don't expect you to answer on behalf | 1:45:02 | 1:45:08 | |
of the NHS? Time is always an issue,
people have different priorities. | 1:45:08 | 1:45:14 | |
Security teams are very overwhelmed
at the moment with all sorts of | 1:45:14 | 1:45:17 | |
priorities. You've got staff,
medical staff, needing the services. | 1:45:17 | 1:45:23 | |
It is difficult. Yes, it is
completely doable, but there is | 1:45:23 | 1:45:26 | |
prioritisation. | 1:45:26 | 1:45:30 | |
Let's bring in Rob, and ethical
hacker. -- an ethical hacker. Do you | 1:45:30 | 1:45:38 | |
think this has been a good lesson
for organisations, that we have to | 1:45:38 | 1:45:43 | |
take cyber security more seriously?
I think we have lost Rob, which is | 1:45:43 | 1:45:49 | |
frustrating. Let's listen to the
security minister, Ben Wallace, who | 1:45:49 | 1:45:54 | |
has been speaking to the BBC today.
He has been talking about who he | 1:45:54 | 1:45:58 | |
believes is behind a cyber attack.
Computer crime often leaves a trace, | 1:45:58 | 1:46:04 | |
and we have capability to track
that. I can't go any further into | 1:46:04 | 1:46:08 | |
our capabilities, but there are
strong signs it came from North | 1:46:08 | 1:46:13 | |
Korea, and ourselves and also the
United States agree with that. Are | 1:46:13 | 1:46:17 | |
you surprised that we're hearing it
is from North Korea? It has been a | 1:46:17 | 1:46:22 | |
rumour. The evidence is always
tangential in these things. Mostly | 1:46:22 | 1:46:28 | |
they originate from eastern Europe
and beyond. This one looks like it | 1:46:28 | 1:46:31 | |
may have been criminal, but the real
worry is targeted attacks on the NHS | 1:46:31 | 1:46:38 | |
potentially through state terrorism.
This was a wake-up call to the NHS. | 1:46:38 | 1:46:44 | |
Actually, it survived rather well.
The real threat is much more | 1:46:44 | 1:46:48 | |
directed, more focused, and the NHS
had been preparing for that for | 1:46:48 | 1:46:51 | |
several years. We were talking to
our technology correspondent earlier | 1:46:51 | 1:46:57 | |
on, and he said it was a blessing
that it happened in a Friday in the | 1:46:57 | 1:47:01 | |
month of May rather than on a Monday
in January during a flu epidemic. | 1:47:01 | 1:47:09 | |
These viruses, as in human
populations, tend to distribute | 1:47:09 | 1:47:17 | |
themselves rapidly, causing a
knock-on effect, as it did in | 1:47:17 | 1:47:21 | |
certain regions. Friday was a
blessing. Lets try Rob again. Do you | 1:47:21 | 1:47:25 | |
think this was a good wake-up call
for people? Yeah, definitely. The | 1:47:25 | 1:47:31 | |
attack was quite simple in the way
it got on to the systems. And as we | 1:47:31 | 1:47:37 | |
talked about, relatively simple to
prevent. The big wake-up call to me | 1:47:37 | 1:47:40 | |
was that if someone had behind
though it might be behind it rather | 1:47:40 | 1:47:46 | |
than it being automatic, they could
easily have got access to patient | 1:47:46 | 1:47:52 | |
data, NHS records, tampered with
them or publish them. It could have | 1:47:52 | 1:47:54 | |
been worse. Although it was a
damaging attack, I think we got away | 1:47:54 | 1:47:58 | |
a little bit lightly. Let's be
clear: It was never getting near to | 1:47:58 | 1:48:04 | |
patient records, this malware. Those
systems are very secure. It was a | 1:48:04 | 1:48:25 | |
wake-up call in that we need to make
sure the systems are up-to-date and | 1:48:25 | 1:48:29 | |
ready for this sort of attack in the
future. Is there a sense that the | 1:48:29 | 1:48:33 | |
NHS has got a robust system in place
now and is protecting itself? The | 1:48:33 | 1:48:39 | |
NHS faces a number of difficulties,
including resources and focus. We | 1:48:39 | 1:48:46 | |
have a large number of organisations
- over 300 hospitals, 8000 GPs, all | 1:48:46 | 1:48:52 | |
separate organisations with dozens
of priorities, of which this is one. | 1:48:52 | 1:48:56 | |
Although there is more money being
invested in cyber security, it's | 1:48:56 | 1:49:00 | |
still not enough. The third issue is
the lack of clarity. I think it is | 1:49:00 | 1:49:05 | |
right to point out that it is not
clear who takes full responsibility, | 1:49:05 | 1:49:10 | |
whether it is NHS England, the sea
QC, NHS Digital, a whole host of | 1:49:10 | 1:49:16 | |
organisations who will have a finger
in the pie, so there needs to be | 1:49:16 | 1:49:22 | |
greater clarity and focus. It's not
good enough simply to do basics like | 1:49:22 | 1:49:28 | |
patching and hygiene. Threats are
evolving all the time. There are new | 1:49:28 | 1:49:33 | |
attack methodology is coming out
every day. You have insiders, and | 1:49:33 | 1:49:36 | |
there is no patch for that. We have
to think about security in a | 1:49:36 | 1:49:43 | |
different way. Yes, do hygiene and
patching, there is no excuse not to, | 1:49:43 | 1:49:47 | |
but you also have to have systems
like artificial intelligence, things | 1:49:47 | 1:49:51 | |
that will detect threats that are
brand-new, novel, and would never be | 1:49:51 | 1:49:56 | |
predicted by any patch or antivirus.
What about individuals? What should | 1:49:56 | 1:50:01 | |
they do to make sure they don't fall
foul of this? It is difficult, but | 1:50:01 | 1:50:06 | |
there are good guidelines on the
Government website. Things like | 1:50:06 | 1:50:11 | |
passwords, changing them, and being
aware and sceptical of insecure | 1:50:11 | 1:50:17 | |
websites, for example. I think
holding accountable the people that | 1:50:17 | 1:50:19 | |
you trust with your data. Those big
organisations, they have huge | 1:50:19 | 1:50:24 | |
amounts of customer data, your data,
and I think if we held them up to a | 1:50:24 | 1:50:28 | |
higher degree of scrutiny, that will
push them and help to drive change | 1:50:28 | 1:50:33 | |
in the industry. Thank you very much
for coming in. | 1:50:33 | 1:50:35 | |
In a statement, Dan Taylor,
NHS Digital's Head of Security, | 1:50:35 | 1:50:38 | |
tells us the attack in May
was "on an unprecedented scale" | 1:50:38 | 1:50:40 | |
and the NHS had "responded
admirably to the situation". | 1:50:40 | 1:50:44 | |
He added: "Doctors, nurses
and professionals from all areas | 1:50:44 | 1:50:46 | |
pulled together and worked
incredibly hard to keep frontline | 1:50:46 | 1:50:48 | |
services for patients running
and to get everything back to normal | 1:50:48 | 1:50:51 | |
as swiftly as possible." | 1:50:51 | 1:51:01 | |
Nearly 3000 classified files
on the assassination | 1:51:02 | 1:51:04 | |
of President John F Kennedy in 1963
have now been released, | 1:51:04 | 1:51:07 | |
on the order of President Trump. | 1:51:07 | 1:51:09 | |
But some documents have been
withheld at the request | 1:51:09 | 1:51:12 | |
of government agencies. | 1:51:12 | 1:51:13 | |
One memo revealed that the FBI had
warned police of a death threat | 1:51:13 | 1:51:16 | |
against the assassin Lee Harvey
Oswald. | 1:51:16 | 1:51:19 | |
The assassination has been
the subject of various | 1:51:19 | 1:51:21 | |
conspiracy theories. | 1:51:21 | 1:51:22 | |
So what will we learn
from the JFK files? | 1:51:22 | 1:51:25 | |
This short film explains more. | 1:51:25 | 1:51:29 | |
I don't think anybody should be
looking for any bombshells. | 1:51:31 | 1:51:33 | |
There won't be a document pointing
to a second gunman in Dallas. | 1:51:33 | 1:51:38 | |
I think all of the most credible
evidence we have all these years | 1:51:38 | 1:51:41 | |
shows that Lee Harvey Oswald
was the gunman in Dealey Plaza and | 1:51:41 | 1:51:44 | |
almost certainly the lone gunman. | 1:51:44 | 1:51:47 | |
But I think there is a real question
as to whether or not other people | 1:51:47 | 1:51:50 | |
knew he was good to do this
and encouraged him to do this. | 1:51:50 | 1:51:56 | |
--knew he was going to do this
and encouraged him to do this. | 1:51:56 | 1:51:59 | |
You know, he was not the pure lone
wolf that the US government | 1:51:59 | 1:52:02 | |
tried to portray him as. | 1:52:02 | 1:52:04 | |
To my mind, this has always been
sort of the secret chapter | 1:52:04 | 1:52:06 | |
of the Kennedy assassination drama. | 1:52:06 | 1:52:08 | |
Why did Lee Harvey Oswald,
who was a self-proclaimed Marxist, | 1:52:08 | 1:52:10 | |
a champion of Castro's revolution,
go to Mexico City just several weeks | 1:52:10 | 1:52:13 | |
before the assassination,
where he met with Cuban spies, | 1:52:13 | 1:52:17 | |
Russian spies and other people who,
at the height of the Cold War, | 1:52:17 | 1:52:21 | |
might have wanted
to see Kennedy dead? | 1:52:21 | 1:52:24 | |
There is evidence out there that
Oswald, while he is in Mexico City, | 1:52:24 | 1:52:27 | |
openly talked about killing Kennedy. | 1:52:27 | 1:52:30 | |
The question becomes whether or not
any of those people offered | 1:52:30 | 1:52:33 | |
to help him or give him
encouragement, or offered to help | 1:52:33 | 1:52:35 | |
him escape after the assassination. | 1:52:35 | 1:52:37 | |
It's very clear that
the United States government never | 1:52:37 | 1:52:39 | |
wanted to get to the bottom of that
because, if they had, | 1:52:39 | 1:52:42 | |
it would have exposed just how much
more the government had known | 1:52:42 | 1:52:45 | |
about the assassin before
the assassination. | 1:52:45 | 1:52:53 | |
The question has always been,
what more did the CIA know | 1:52:53 | 1:52:56 | |
about Oswald in real-time,
just several weeks before | 1:52:56 | 1:52:58 | |
the assassination? | 1:52:58 | 1:53:01 | |
It's going to take weeks or months,
or even years, to really | 1:53:01 | 1:53:03 | |
understand these documents. | 1:53:03 | 1:53:05 | |
They will be filled with CIA and FBI
codenames, pseudonyms and a lot | 1:53:05 | 1:53:08 | |
of jargon that people just aren't
going to be able to understand. | 1:53:08 | 1:53:13 | |
We're talking about hundreds
of thousands of pages of documents. | 1:53:13 | 1:53:17 | |
This is going to take a long while. | 1:53:17 | 1:53:26 | |
We can speak now to Doctor Tony
Glover, who was at the scene of | 1:53:26 | 1:53:33 | |
JFK's assassination when she was
aged just 11. She joins us from her | 1:53:33 | 1:53:38 | |
home in Pennsylvania. Thank you for
taking the time to talk to us. Just | 1:53:38 | 1:53:41 | |
take us back to that day. Did you
even understand what was going on at | 1:53:41 | 1:53:45 | |
the age of 11? I understood, because
I watched it happen. I was 11, and I | 1:53:45 | 1:53:56 | |
wanted to go to the parade. I begged
my mother to take me to the parade. | 1:53:56 | 1:54:01 | |
My family was divorced, and I
thought if I saw Kennedy, if you | 1:54:01 | 1:54:04 | |
looked at me and wait, that somehow
I would be part of his world and all | 1:54:04 | 1:54:08 | |
my troubles would disappear at home.
So, I went there with some magic | 1:54:08 | 1:54:14 | |
thinking. They came by, and he waved
and smiled, then he turned the | 1:54:14 | 1:54:20 | |
corner and he was gone, he was dead.
It was 15 seconds between the most | 1:54:20 | 1:54:27 | |
wonderful moment in my life and one
of the worst. So, was it the sound | 1:54:27 | 1:54:34 | |
or the site? Clearly, everything
almost happens in slow motion in | 1:54:34 | 1:54:39 | |
those moments, but what was it that
you remember specifically? It's | 1:54:39 | 1:54:45 | |
important to understand the context.
We were at our presidential parade | 1:54:45 | 1:54:52 | |
we were celebrating, talking to
strangers. Everybody was just, you | 1:54:52 | 1:54:55 | |
know, ecstatic, and then that
happened. Downtown Dallas echoes, | 1:54:55 | 1:55:03 | |
and there were ten or 12 Harley
Davidson motorcycles on either side | 1:55:03 | 1:55:09 | |
of the cars, so hearing the exact
shots wasn't as easy as you would | 1:55:09 | 1:55:13 | |
think. I had a direct line of sight
to the car whenever his head was | 1:55:13 | 1:55:21 | |
hit, so I saw immediately what had
happened. Even so, you want to deny | 1:55:21 | 1:55:26 | |
it, and I told my mum that someone
threw fireworks at the car, but you | 1:55:26 | 1:55:31 | |
know, that only lasts for a couple
of seconds before reality sinks in. | 1:55:31 | 1:55:38 | |
What was the reaction around you
when that happened? Confusion, | 1:55:38 | 1:55:42 | |
mostly. I was on a corner, on a
pedestal that was high, so I could | 1:55:42 | 1:55:48 | |
see all the way around Dealey Plaza
will stop most of the people on the | 1:55:48 | 1:55:52 | |
ground near me couldn't see that far
down the street, so there was a lot | 1:55:52 | 1:55:56 | |
of confusion. No one really knew
what had happened. It was mostly | 1:55:56 | 1:56:04 | |
confusion, and I got my mother out
of there and we went home as fast as | 1:56:04 | 1:56:09 | |
I could get there. You have that
when you get home you are going to | 1:56:09 | 1:56:11 | |
see something on the news that says
something graced his head, but that | 1:56:11 | 1:56:16 | |
didn't happen. We got home and saw
Walter Cronkite. Of course. Let's | 1:56:16 | 1:56:21 | |
fast forward to Donald Trump, now
President of the United States, | 1:56:21 | 1:56:28 | |
making this decision to release
these files will stop -- release | 1:56:28 | 1:56:33 | |
these files. Four. Some files have
been withheld at the request of the | 1:56:33 | 1:56:39 | |
FBI and CIA - what do you make of
that? First of I apologise for | 1:56:39 | 1:56:44 | |
Donald Trump. I can't apologise
enough to the world. From what I | 1:56:44 | 1:56:50 | |
have heard, the White House didn't
do the work that was necessary. A | 1:56:50 | 1:56:57 | |
law was passed that it had to be
released today, and the Secret | 1:56:57 | 1:57:02 | |
Service and others had redactions
they wanted, and the White House | 1:57:02 | 1:57:05 | |
should have been looking at those
before today so that things could be | 1:57:05 | 1:57:10 | |
released, but that didn't happen. I
don't know what they are going to | 1:57:10 | 1:57:15 | |
find in these documents. I believe
that Oswald fired from that window. | 1:57:15 | 1:57:21 | |
Being there did not give me any
insight into what happened. You | 1:57:21 | 1:57:28 | |
know, eyewitnesses are the worst
source of information that you can | 1:57:28 | 1:57:31 | |
get. I think there's a conspiracy
culture that's probably going to | 1:57:31 | 1:57:38 | |
look a fact that they can emphasise
and twist so that it supports their | 1:57:38 | 1:57:44 | |
conspiracy. I don't think the
conspiracy culture's going to go | 1:57:44 | 1:57:48 | |
away. As a matter of fact, one thing
in these documents shows that J | 1:57:48 | 1:57:52 | |
Edgar Hoover at the time said, we
need to be sure the American people | 1:57:52 | 1:57:58 | |
understand that Oswald killed the
president, because we don't want a | 1:57:58 | 1:58:01 | |
bunch of conspiracies developing.
And of course, that's exactly what | 1:58:01 | 1:58:05 | |
happened. As you say, Doctor Glover,
conspiracy theories are likely to | 1:58:05 | 1:58:12 | |
run and run. Thank you for speaking
to us. We're very grateful you. | 1:58:12 | 1:58:15 | |
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is coming up next. | 1:58:15 | 1:58:17 | |
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Monday. -- we'll be back. | 1:58:23 | 1:58:30 |