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Hello, it's Monday, it's 9am.

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I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

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Our top story today -

Kevin Spacey apologises

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after being accused

of making a sexual advance

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toward a child actor.

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And sexual harassment

claims at Westminster spiral,

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with reports of 36 MPs

being accused of misconduct.

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So these young people,

especially as some of them,

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it might be their first job

in politics, they have been

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desperate to get it and might have

applied amongst 400 people to get

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the job, and they get the job,

and then they find this MP

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has wandering hands and says

inappropriate things

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and they feel slightly frightened

or threatened by them.

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Where do you go to

make that complaint?

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Who do you speak to?

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At the moment it's not clear at all,

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and, of course,

no-one really has teeth.

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There is no body

that can slap the MP down

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and say that behaviour in this place

is no longer acceptable.

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In around half an hour's time,

we'll hear from TV presenter

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Anne Robinson, who says women really

should know better than to share

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a cab or go to a hotel room

with someone they don't trust.

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Also on the programme -

an exclusive report looking at

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the reality for some parents

of living with autistic children.

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It was really upsetting.

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It's horrible

because I love him so much.

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And yeah, I don't want people

to be scared of him,

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because he's, you know, his nature

is gentle and he doesn't...

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he is not meaning

to be the way he is at all.

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The National Autistic Society tell

us that parents are being let down

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by lack of support - really keen to

hear your experiences this morning.

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And the greatest of all time.

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Lewis Hamilton has become

Britain's most successful

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Formula One driver ever

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and could still continue

to break records.

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Hello, welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning.

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Do get in touch on all the stories

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Our top story today:

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More stories of alleged abuse

and lewd conduct in Hollywood.

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This morning, the spotlight

is on the actor Kevin Spacey.

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He's accused of making a sexual

advance towards a child actor

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more than 30 years ago.

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The claim has been made

by the Star Trek actor Anthony Rapp,

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who said Mr Spacey

had placed him on a bed

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and climbed on top of him

when he was 14.

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Kevin Spacey has responded

on Twitter, saying he does not

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remember the incident but,

if it had happened, it would have

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been "deeply inappropriate"

and drunken behaviour.

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The House Of Cards actor also said

that he was now living as a gay man.

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But some in Hollywood

have criticised Mr Spacey

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for what they say is using

his sexuality as an excuse

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for his actions, as our

correspondent James Cook reports.

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Let's just set out first of all

what is alleged to have happened.

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Anthony Rapp spoke to Buzzfeed News

and set out what he said happened

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back in 1986 when he was a child

actor on Broadway.

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He was 14 at the time,

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and Kevin Spacey was also

acting on Broadway as well.

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He said he was invited

back to a party

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by Kevin Spacey at his house.

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At the end of the night,

when everyone else had left,

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he said that he found himself alone

in the house, he was in the bedroom,

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Kevin Spacey came in and basically

climbed on top of him and

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made a sexual advance towards him,

which he then rebuffed, essentially.

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Now, Kevin Spacey says, as you say,

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that he does not remember

this incident.

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He says if, "I did

behave as he describes,

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I owe him the sincerest apology."

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"This would have been deeply

inappropriate, drunken behaviour."

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He also goes on to say that he knows

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there are "other stories

out there about me".

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Also in the statement,

he comes out as gay,

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he says he is living now

as a gay man.

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That has prompted, in terms

of the reaction, some considerable

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criticism from people in Hollywood.

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Is the

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Various writers and producers,

on social media, saying

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why is he trying to conflate

these two things?

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That just because he's gay or has

decided now to come out as gay,

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what does that have to do with fact

that he might be alleged

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as a predator of a young person -

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essentially a paedophile

potentially?

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He denies remembering anything

about this incident

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and, of course, I am sure would deny

that he is a paedophile.

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But these allegations

are very serious.

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Later we will be speaking to the

journalist who first broke the story

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about Kevin Spacey.

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Allegations of sexual harassment

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are also making the headlines

at Westminster.

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The Leader of the House of Commons

has been asked to make an urgent

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statement in the wake of a series

of allegations

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of inappropriate behaviour by MPs.

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Yesterday, Theresa May said

the reputation of Parliament

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Let's get the latest on this

from Norman Smith,

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who's in our Westminster newsroom.

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What is Theresa May going to do

about this?

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Theresa May has come up with her own

proposals, but they have already

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been criticised for not going far

enough. She is suggesting there

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should be an independent mediation

service who the victims of sexual

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harassment at Westminster can

complain to, but a lot of MPs are

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saying, well, you know, that really

doesn't quite cut it, because that

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would only cover people working for

MPs, and bad the most vulnerable

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people at Westminster tend to be in

turns, people on work experience who

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are not directly employed. -- in --

interns. They do not necessarily

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have contact at Westminster and

would not be covered by this idea.

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There is also a question about the

powers this mediation service would

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have, because a lot of MPs say it is

not enough for it to be dispute

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resolution, it has to have

investigatory powers, be able to

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launch and zoning choir is. That

would mean a very different sort of

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staffing skill set, you would want

former detectives, it would take on

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a quad judicial role. Basta be able

to launch its own inquiries. That in

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the normal water like, if you are

found guilty of sexual misconduct at

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work, you will be booted out. -- in

normal walks of life. But MPs are

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not, in fact, employed by anyone,

how do you sack an MP? May be the

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only sanction would be the shame of

going through a grievance procedure,

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and many people think that would not

be enough.

There is talk of a

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spreadsheet, a list of names of male

and female MPs accused of sexual

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misconduct. Does it exist?

Well,

there is, on Twitter, if you look

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hard enough, a conversation which

has been redacted which contains a

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whole list of allegations from

predominantly, it seems, young

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researchers, Parliamentary aides,

listing MPs to avoid in a taxi, MPs

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not to go for dinner with, don't go

to parties with, all that sort of

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thing. I mean, there are a huge

number of allegations out there.

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Most of them, it has to be said at

the moment, and substantiated, and

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that is one of the difficulties in

this whole area, these allegations

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generally sent on two people without

witnesses, which makes it much

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harder to investigate and prosecute.

Plenty more to come on that through

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the programme Annita McVeigh or has

the rest of the days news.

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The parents of autistic children

are not being properly supported

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in dealing with violent behaviour,

according to a charity.

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This programme has spoken

to families who say they're not

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getting enough help from local

authorities while they

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face violent outbursts

from their children,

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including kicking and head-butting.

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The National Autistic Society says

that a special educational needs

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system needs to be put in place

to provide the support needed

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to de-escalate violent behaviour.

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An influential economic think-tank

says the Chancellor is caught

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between a rock and a hard place

as he prepares his

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forthcoming Budget.

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The Institute for Fiscal Studies

says Philip Hammond will have

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to abandon his target

for getting rid of the deficit,

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if he is to meet demands

from Cabinet colleagues

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to increase spending.

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The Treasury has responded by saying

it would continue to adopt what it

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called a balanced approach.

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A leading cancer charity

has appointed

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what it calls a digital nurse

to combat so-called fake

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news about the disease.

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Macmillan Cancer Support says

the internet is full of unverified

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statistics and bogus treatment

suggestions which mislead often

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frightened patients.

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It says it wants to provide

clear advice online

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about diagnosis and treatment.

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Scrapping interest on student loans

and extending the time limit

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on paying it back could

help to avoid a future debt crisis,

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according to a centre-right

think tank.

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UK 2020 says such action

would drastically reduce

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the number of loans

which have to be written off.

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The Government says it's committed

to sustainable university funding

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and will set out further steps

in due course.

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The first charges into alleged

Russian interference in the US

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presidential election are expected

to be announced later today.

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President Trump has denounced the

inquiry as a witchhunt and again

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denied any collusion with Russia.

Former director of the FBI Robert

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Mueller has been looking into

possible links between the Trump

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campaign and Moscow since the

president took office in January.

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The Spanish government has today

began running Catalonia's

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institutions at the region's deposed

leader called for peaceful

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resistance to the imposition of

direct rule. He has been threatened

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with imprisonment at the leading a

declaration of independence.

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Attention is focused on the

headquarters of the Catalan

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government this morning to see if he

turns up for work. Storms sweeping

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through northern Europe have left at

least six people dead in Germany,

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Poland and the Czech Republic. Four

victims in Poland and the Czech

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Republic were killed by falling

trees. In Germany, Hamburg has been

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flooded and thousands of homes are

without power.

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Saudi Arabia says it will allow

women to attend sporting events

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for the first time, but only

in three selected stadiums.

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The Saudi government says

the stadiums are being prepared

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to accommodate families

by early next year.

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Last month, Saudi Arabia

overturned its longstanding law

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against women driving

from June next year.

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Police are hunting for a lynx

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which has escaped

from an animal park in Wales.

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The animal, a Eurasian lynx,

which is twice the size

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of a domestic cat, escaped

from Borth Wild Animal Kingdom,

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near Aberystwyth five days ago.

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It can travel up

to 12 miles per day.

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That's a summary of the latest

BBC News, more at 9:30.

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Thank you very much, we are going to

bring you a film in the next few

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minutes featuring families with

autistic children, and the

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difficulties that mums and dads to

experiencing because some of the

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children can be violent. Pamela says

on Facebook, I was told by

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professionals that there was no

proof my son was hitting me, so I

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photographed my bruises and sent

them to every professional involved

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with my son - not a single answer

from any of them. As an adopted mum,

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trying to bring up a child with

complex health needs, it is

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disgusting how I am treated as an

inadequate mum and spoken to. We are

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on a never-ending waiting list and

all services seem to be geared up to

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adults domestic abuse and not to

child two-parent violence, so we

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don't come under their remit. My son

is a Matt Slater two, he is people

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are scared of him. -- my son has a

mental age of two. Mark says that

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people need the proper support of

local authorities, publicity is

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needed. To get into -- do get in

touch, your experiences are

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absolutely pertinent to this. Only

one story in sport, Lewis Hamilton

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claiming a fourth world title in

Mexico, John Watson is in Brackley,

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not Mexico, he is at the Mercedes

headquarters.

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Good morning, Victoria, yes, sadly,

not Mexico, Brackley, but the best

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place if you can't get all the way

out to Mexico, and in Venice at

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Mercedes HQ, well, look at this,

this is what success looks like, all

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of the trophies that have been won

by Mercedes this season. -- and in

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fairness. Four world titles, and it

started many years ago Paul Lewis

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Hamilton, after his success in

karting, the relationship with his

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dad, who masterminded his success in

karting, a freshfaced young

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Hamilton, paving the way to join

McLaren, and then Mercedes, where he

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has no-one his fourth world title.

He won is first in 2008. But it was

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not straight forward last night,

Hamilton suffered a collision with

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Sebastian Vettel on the opening lap,

which forced him to pick up a

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puncture. He was way down the field,

but he only needed to finish 50

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secure the title. In fairness, he

managed to finish in ninth, so

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Sebastian Vettel needed to finish

second or higher, and he couldn't

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did that last night. So Lewis

Hamilton is four time champion, four

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world titles, he stands alone, as

far as British drivers go, and I am

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joined by Geoff Willis, one of the

Jeep -- one of the chief engineers,

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keeping a spot warm here.

Yes, the

constructors and drivers trophy,

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again winning both championships,

that is what we planned to do two

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years ago, we wanted to win both in

2016 and 2017, after the big rule

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change, and we have finally done it,

it has been tough.

And you know what

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it is like to stand on the podium,

you managed to be awarded one of

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these yourself.

I was very

privileged to receive a constructors

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trophy at Monza back in 2015, a

fantastic experience, for once in my

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life on the podium, so what it is

like for lose all those times I

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don't know, but it must be

fantastic.

Amazing for you and the

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team, these are the days you live

for in this board.

Absolutely, it is

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a tough business, it is a beautiful

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for in this board.

Absolutely, it is

a tough business, it is a beautiful,

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and now we want to go and do it

again. It gets harder every year,

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but that is what we are here for.

What is it about Lewis Hamilton that

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has paved the way for his success?

What is it about him and the work he

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has done on the track?

Lewis is

clearly an exceptional driver, right

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up in the pantheon of grapes. I

think is real skill is about the

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sensitivity with the car. -- the

pantheon of greats.

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Lewis has a magicical ability to

feel what the tyres are doing. He

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saves the tyres and you can see that

in qualifying where he can prepare

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the car perfectly for that one lap.

It's really, really impressive and

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Lewis himself has been in a

fantastic position this year. He is

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at the top of his game and he has

brought the team with him.

We wait

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for the trophy cabinets to be filled

when Lewis Hamilton returns to the

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factory. There is a certain record

that he is chasing down, Michael

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Schumacher who has seven and with

the success and the cars that

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Mercedes are producing, you wouldn't

bet against Lewis Hamilton matching

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that down the line.

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On the programme this morning,

strangled, head-butted, kicked,

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the violence faced by some parents

attacked by their own autistic

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children and teenagers.

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The National Autistic Society tells

this programme that parents are not

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being properly supported

by their local authorities,

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leaving families and their

children in dire need.

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And it's not just parents who are at

risk from violent autistic children,

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so are their other siblings.

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Our reporter Noel Philips has

this exclusive report.

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There are families up and down

the country struggling to cope

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with their violent autistic

children.

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Cam, shall I go and get

your chocolate biscuits?

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Stop that noise!

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Are they in your room?

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Stop that noise!

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Autism is often a hidden disability,

which affects around 120,000

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young people in England.

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I'm scared of him, because you live

on a knife edge because you don't

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know what's coming next,

and that level of sort

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of heightened adrenaline...

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Definitely experienced split

lips, bruising all over.

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We go inside the homes of two

families struggling to cope

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with their disabled children,

for a glimpse of what life is like

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and the challenges they face.

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Very rarely the day goes

by where either myself, my wife,

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or one of our children isn't hurt

in some way by Elliot, our son.

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OK, Cam!

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And rarely do we see or hear

from parents about the realities

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of life for them and their children,

but these families have invited us

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into their homes in the hope

of raising awareness about a lack

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of help and support.

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Excuse me, Mum.

...that he is, he's obviously...

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Excuse me, Mum!

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Excuse me!

...very hard to deal with.

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Campaigners say some local

authorities are failing to provide

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services that meet the needs

of families and their children.

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The system is not working

at the moment for all autistic

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children, and that's an issue.

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It's terrifying, really, sometimes,

because if it comes out of nowhere,

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there's always that bit of you that

can't quite believe it's actually

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happening, so it's just a case

of desperately trying to extricate

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yourself from that situation that

you're in, which is easier said

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than done, particularly if he's

got me by the neck,

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which he often does.

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Every day is a challenge

for Ian and Lucy.

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Their eldest son, Elliott,

has severe autism and

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learning difficulties.

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Social interaction and communicating

is difficult, and they say

0:19:290:19:31

dealing with his condition,

which requires constant care,

0:19:310:19:33

is pushing them to breaking point.

0:19:330:19:40

He's the size of a very large,

very strong 12-year-old,

0:19:400:19:43

and that's the difference.

0:19:430:19:46

If it was a toddler having a huge

tantrum and flailing around and,

0:19:460:19:49

you know, scratching you and kicking

you, you can manage it better simply

0:19:490:19:53

because they're so much smaller.

0:19:530:19:57

Whereas, if you think

of when Elliott does it,

0:19:570:20:02

it's basically like a small man

suddenly attacking you.

0:20:020:20:12

Not everyone with autism

is violent, though.

0:20:180:20:21

A US study of nearly 1400 children

on the autistic spectrum found more

0:20:210:20:25

than half were aggressive or violent

towards their families.

0:20:250:20:32

Elliott is 12 and has

the strength of an adult,

0:20:320:20:34

but thinks like a two-year old.

0:20:340:20:36

His parents say a lack of specialist

help from their local council has

0:20:360:20:39

caused his behaviour to become

increasingly difficult to deal with.

0:20:390:20:45

We've been living with Elliott

being violent and aggressive most

0:20:450:20:49

of his life, you know.

0:20:490:20:53

Probably first started

encountering things like that

0:20:530:20:55

when he was about five or six or so,

we probably started.

0:20:550:20:58

And the difficulty has been,

as he's got older and as he's got

0:20:580:21:02

bigger and he's got stronger,

he's still only violent maybe 5%

0:21:020:21:04

of the time but the consequences

of that violence are getting

0:21:040:21:07

worse and worse.

0:21:070:21:10

And whilst he's only 12 years old,

he's the size of a 15-year-old.

0:21:100:21:13

It's the law of averages

that one day one of us

0:21:130:21:15

is going to get really badly hurt.

0:21:150:21:20

These scars are just a glimpse

of what Ian and Lucy have had

0:21:200:21:23

to endure when Elliott has

a violent episode.

0:21:230:21:30

Definitely experienced split

lips, bruising all over.

0:21:300:21:34

Ian's had a scratched

cornea from a punch.

0:21:340:21:36

He's knocked me down the stairs

before and I've just managed to hang

0:21:360:21:40

on to the banister rail so that I've

not gone the whole way down

0:21:400:21:43

the stairs, but there's a severe

injury waiting to happen,

0:21:430:21:46

we know that, and the problem

is that the help available to you is

0:21:460:21:49

reactive rather than proactive.

0:21:490:21:53

You have to get to absolute

crisis point when one

0:21:530:21:55

of you is hospitalised or you've had

to call the police out.

0:21:550:22:00

This is why Ian and

Lucy have spoken out.

0:22:000:22:02

They say they are living

in an almost permanent state

0:22:020:22:04

of worry, so much so they've had

to take measures to protect not

0:22:040:22:07

just Elliott but also

their other children.

0:22:070:22:12

So this is Elliott's room,

and you can see it's not like a room

0:22:120:22:15

that most 12-year-olds would have,

that we've made quite

0:22:150:22:17

a few adjustments -

the most obvious are the bars

0:22:170:22:21

that we have to have

across the windows.

0:22:210:22:25

You kind of get used to that,

you know, your child's bedroom looks

0:22:250:22:29

more like a cell of some kind,

and it's only when you stop

0:22:290:22:32

and step back and really

reflect on it and you go,

0:22:320:22:35

"What a symbol of just how

different our life is."

0:22:350:22:41

Most people do not have

to set their child's bedroom up

0:22:410:22:43

with locks on the doors and bars

across the window,

0:22:430:22:46

but there are times when,

in order to keep Elliott safe

0:22:460:22:48

and in order to keep

the rest of the family said,

0:22:480:22:51

that's what we have to set up.

0:22:510:22:54

Now, this family's

story is not a one-off.

0:22:540:22:58

We've been speaking to many

parents across the country

0:22:580:23:03

and they repeatedly tell us

that there is simply not

0:23:030:23:05

enough support available

for their children, some

0:23:050:23:07

of whom are also very violent.

0:23:070:23:13

19-year-old Cameron is one

of 700,000 people in the UK

0:23:220:23:24

on the autism spectrum.

0:23:240:23:29

He was diagnosed with the condition

at the age of three.

0:23:290:23:33

I'm going to go and do your telly.

0:23:330:23:36

I'm just talking to Noel.

0:23:360:23:37

HE SCREAMS.

0:23:370:23:38

Move, please!

0:23:380:23:39

Cam, stop.

0:23:390:23:42

It scares me.

0:23:420:23:46

It can be quite dangerous for

you being on your own with Cameron?

0:23:460:23:49

Well, yeah.

Go up!

0:23:490:23:50

If you weren't here,

obviously I would just go and do it,

0:23:500:23:53

and if the girls were here

I would do it, because...

0:23:530:23:56

Go up, go up, go up!

0:23:560:23:57

...to stop this,

because it's not nice for

0:23:570:23:59

the girls to see and it

will probably escalate into more.

0:23:590:24:02

Cam, stop.

0:24:020:24:03

Go up, please.

I will.

0:24:030:24:04

Go up now.

OK.

0:24:040:24:05

Don't speak to them.

Stop.

0:24:050:24:06

Don't speak to them.

0:24:060:24:07

OK.

Go on, Mum.

0:24:070:24:08

As you can see, he's

edging towards me.

0:24:080:24:12

Hannah and Doug have

devoted their lives

0:24:120:24:15

to caring for Cameron,

but, due to his condition,

0:24:150:24:18

his needs have become

increasingly challenging,

0:24:180:24:21

and his anxiety and stress

can sometimes lead to

0:24:210:24:23

full-scale tantrums.

0:24:230:24:25

It's really upsetting.

0:24:250:24:27

This is horrible.

0:24:270:24:29

Because I love him so much...

0:24:290:24:32

And, yeah, I don't want people

to be scared of him,

0:24:320:24:36

because he's, you know,

his nature is gentle,

0:24:360:24:42

he's not meaning to be

the way he is at all.

0:24:420:24:48

I feel sorry for him,

because he's frustrated,

0:24:480:24:50

and he can't tell me why or tell

other people why, so it's horrible.

0:24:500:24:56

It is, it's sad, really sad.

0:24:560:24:59

How much longer do you think

you can continue to cope

0:24:590:25:02

with Cameron's behaviour?

0:25:020:25:03

We'll do it for as long as we have

do, but it's going to become...

0:25:030:25:06

Well, it already is unmanageable

sometimes, but, I don't know,

0:25:060:25:11

because I don't know how he'll

become as he turns,

0:25:110:25:13

as he gets into his early 20s.

0:25:130:25:19

It could become worse,

but really we need to be, well,

0:25:190:25:24

we are thinking about him...

0:25:240:25:26

living elsewhere, because we can't

manage his behaviour,

0:25:260:25:34

because it is unpredictable and,

you know, physically,

0:25:340:25:38

I can't manage him by myself.

0:25:380:25:44

I mean, as you can see,

he's tall, facial hair.

0:25:440:25:47

He's like a man, but he's

like a baby, really.

0:25:470:25:51

OK, Cam.

Not doing that again!

0:25:510:25:54

He doesn't have the

understanding, he doesn't

0:25:540:25:55

understand why you guys are here,

and also it's out of his routine,

0:25:550:25:58

isn't it?

0:25:580:25:59

Excuse me!

0:25:590:26:01

Yes, Cam?

0:26:010:26:02

Who's that?

Noel.

0:26:020:26:05

Almost anything can trigger

an outburst from Cameron.

0:26:050:26:07

Surrey Council, who are responsible

for his care, have told us

0:26:070:26:10

they are working hard

with his family to provide

0:26:100:26:12

additional respite and they support.

0:26:120:26:17

I don't want him to go anywhere that

I'm not happy about,

0:26:170:26:20

so I don't know how

long that will take.

0:26:200:26:25

But if he carries on...

0:26:250:26:26

Excuse me, Mum!

0:26:260:26:28

...in the way that he is,

he's obviously...

0:26:280:26:30

Excuse me, excuse me!

0:26:300:26:33

Eye

0:26:330:26:34

...very hard to deal with,

it's going to be really difficult.

0:26:340:26:36

Excuse me!

Stop.

0:26:360:26:39

Excuse me!

Yes, Cam?

0:26:390:26:41

No.

0:26:410:26:43

It's important to get

the point across that...

0:26:430:26:45

I can't see you!

0:26:450:26:49

...this is not Cameron being unruly,

this is his condition,

0:26:490:26:51

this is what it does to him,

this is autism.

0:26:510:26:53

Oh, absolutely, yes, this is autism.

0:26:530:26:56

Sometimes it seems like there's no

light at the end of the tunnel

0:26:560:27:01

with regards to the support

and direction of where we're

0:27:010:27:04

going to go, because we don't,

it's hard for us when we don't know

0:27:040:27:08

how Cameron's going to be,

we don't know how the children

0:27:080:27:10

are going to be, we don't know...

0:27:100:27:12

Planning for the future,

planning for what's going to

0:27:120:27:15

happen has just been...

0:27:150:27:16

I mean, the last six years, seven

years, just no direction at all.

0:27:160:27:26

This woman, who we are calling Sam,

knows just how Hannah and Doug feel.

0:27:280:27:32

He hit me over the head

with a plastic object,

0:27:320:27:35

and I had to have my head glued,

and I thought at that point

0:27:350:27:38

it would be a turning

point, but it wasn't.

0:27:380:27:41

I thought I'd get help,

but it didn't really happen.

0:27:410:27:45

We've agreed not to identify her

in order to protect her teenage son,

0:27:450:27:49

who is now in the care

of social services.

0:27:490:27:53

First I got a bit of help,

but then it went monthly,

0:27:530:27:57

then it was, "Right,

OK, we'll wash our hands of you,

0:27:570:28:00

you can have 48 hours a year

respite from a charity."

0:28:000:28:06

And 48 hours a year doesn't

add up to much, does it?

0:28:060:28:08

Her son was taken into care

following a violent incident

0:28:080:28:11

in the family home in 2011.

0:28:110:28:13

Documents we've seen appear to back

up her claims that she had asked

0:28:130:28:17

for help on a number of occasions.

0:28:170:28:20

This letter from her GP

to Children's Services reads,

0:28:200:28:22

"Family struggling to cope

with child's behaviour."

0:28:220:28:26

He goes on to say,

"Mother desperate for help."

0:28:260:28:31

I have cried and cried for help.

0:28:310:28:32

I was absolutely exhausted.

0:28:320:28:33

But, more so, my family was failed,

you know, my children,

0:28:330:28:36

my other children didn't get

attention, or I tried

0:28:360:28:38

to give them attention,

but there's a limit to what you can

0:28:380:28:43

do, and my son was certainly failed.

0:28:430:28:46

Absolutely.

0:28:460:28:48

So why are parents like Sam

and other families not

0:28:480:28:51

getting the crucial support

and services they need?

0:28:510:28:56

I've come to the National Autistic

Society, which helps thousands

0:28:560:29:00

of people with autism

across the country.

0:29:000:29:04

If children are not

having their needs met,

0:29:040:29:07

then they are being failed,

and we have to try and work

0:29:070:29:10

to change that system.

0:29:100:29:13

We need a special educational

needs and disability

0:29:130:29:16

system that identifies all the needs

of autistic children that are out

0:29:160:29:19

there and then puts in place

the support and the services

0:29:190:29:21

to allow them to live

the life that they and their

0:29:210:29:24

families want to live.

0:29:240:29:26

In a recent report, the charity

found families of autistic people

0:29:260:29:28

in inpatient and residential care

being failed due to

0:29:280:29:31

a lack of trained staff.

0:29:310:29:34

We interviewed 13 families who had

experiences of having relatives

0:29:340:29:38

who were in inpatient care

across both children,

0:29:380:29:41

young people and adults,

and basically we've incorporated

0:29:410:29:44

what we found from them

and the lessons that could be

0:29:440:29:46

learned from that in this report.

0:29:460:29:48

And what it's really painted

is a really stark picture

0:29:480:29:51

of the fact that the system just

isn't working at the moment.

0:29:510:29:57

Cameron has recently started

at a specialist day centre,

0:30:070:30:10

but mum Hannah tells me she's

worried about the future.

0:30:100:30:17

I do feel guilty all the time -

I feel guilty to Cameron,

0:30:170:30:20

I feel guilty to my daughters.

0:30:200:30:24

Yeah, I do sometimes feel like I'm

not equipped for all of it.

0:30:240:30:27

But I don't really have

a choice, I have to do it.

0:30:270:30:31

But, yeah, guilt plays

a massive part of every day,

0:30:310:30:33

coping with, you know,

a child with disabilities, I think.

0:30:330:30:48

For Ian and Lucy,

they are determined not to give up.

0:30:480:30:52

I've returned to find out how

they are coping with Elliot.

0:30:520:30:56

We've definitely had moments when,

you know, we've gone to bed sobbing

0:30:560:31:01

and just despairing at,

you know, how is this our life?

0:31:010:31:05

But you can't wallow in it too long

because you've got exactly

0:31:050:31:08

the same life the next day,

and you've got to be up

0:31:080:31:11

and you've got to be...

0:31:110:31:12

And it's difficult, because there's

no blame you can attach to Elliott,

0:31:120:31:15

there's nothing fundamentally

different you can do,

0:31:150:31:18

so you're just carrying on

and hoping to try

0:31:180:31:21

and learn the lessons from whatever

precipitated that particular bout

0:31:210:31:23

of aggression to try and reduce it

or avoid it next time.

0:31:230:31:31

The Autism Act,

which was introduced in 2009,

0:31:310:31:33

is currently being reviewed

by politicians.

0:31:330:31:38

But laws on their own only form

a part of the solution.

0:31:380:31:41

As for Cameron and Elliott, their

parents are their real lifeline.

0:31:410:31:46

They may face abuse daily,

0:31:460:31:48

but they don't want their children

to be misunderstood.

0:31:480:31:51

All they're asking for

is more support.

0:31:510:32:00

Thank you for your messages, this

text says, I am grateful for your

0:32:000:32:04

report about autistic children, I

can confirm all these experiences,

0:32:040:32:09

my son is a gentle and sensitive

soul, which makes it even more

0:32:090:32:13

difficult when he has violent

outbursts. No support from

0:32:130:32:18

professionals, you look that as an

inadequate parent. This text, my

0:32:180:32:24

severely learning-disabled autistic

daughter is being failed by my local

0:32:240:32:27

authority. She cannot speak, she has

no self-care skills, and no

0:32:270:32:32

awareness of the wider world. We

have been fighting for support for

0:32:320:32:37

three years. In March, I tried to

take my whole life because I

0:32:370:32:40

couldn't cope with my daughter. I

was provided with two weeks'

0:32:400:32:45

additional support, and now we are

back in the same boat. I need to put

0:32:450:32:50

my daughter in care so she can have

her needs met. That is going to cost

0:32:500:32:55

the local authority £300,000 a year.

It would be far cheaper just to

0:32:550:33:00

provide the behavioural support

instead. And on Facebook, Stephen

0:33:000:33:04

says, I have two sons with autism,

kids with autism are like a light

0:33:040:33:09

switch, one minute so lovable, then

they can attack you. They don't mean

0:33:090:33:13

to hurt you, though, it is not their

fault. We are going to talk more

0:33:130:33:17

about this after ten o'clock.

0:33:170:33:22

NHS England told us it has set out

a clear programme for those

0:33:220:33:25

with learning difficulties

and autism to enable more people

0:33:250:33:27

to live in the community.

0:33:270:33:28

And the Local Government Association

told us, "Councils are working hard

0:33:280:33:31

to make sure children with autism

and other special needs get access

0:33:310:33:34

to the support they need."

0:33:340:33:35

"However, they have been put

in an impossible situation

0:33:350:33:37

due to increasing demand

and historic underfunding."

0:33:370:33:47

Still to come -

0:33:470:33:50

We will talk to the broadcaster and

journalist Ann Robinson, who says

0:33:500:33:54

women should know better than to go

to a hotel with somebody they don't

0:33:540:33:59

trust.

0:33:590:34:00

An exclusive report

into the university student

0:34:000:34:02

from Bristol on trial after police

found a copy of the terrorism manual

0:34:020:34:05

The Anarchist Cookbook

underneath his bed.

0:34:050:34:07

He has now been cleared, and we

followed him through the trial.

0:34:070:34:14

Time for the latest news,

here's Annita McVeigh.

0:34:140:34:19

The Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey

has been accused of making

0:34:190:34:22

a sexual advance towards a

child actor more than 30 years ago.

0:34:220:34:25

The Star Trek actor Anthony Rapp

said Mr Spacey had placed him

0:34:250:34:30

on a bed and climbed on

top of him when he was 14.

0:34:300:34:34

Kevin Spacey has responded

on Twitter, saying he does not

0:34:340:34:37

remember the incident but if it had

happened, it would have

0:34:370:34:39

been deeply inappropriate

and drunken behaviour.

0:34:390:34:45

The Leader of the House of Commons

0:34:450:34:47

is being asked to make

an urgent statement,

0:34:470:34:49

amid allegations of

widespread

0:34:490:34:50

inappropriate sexual

behaviour in Westminster.

0:34:500:34:51

Yesterday the Prime Minister

proposed a new system for dealing

0:34:510:34:53

with claims of harassment,

saying the reputation of Parliament

0:34:530:34:56

had to be protected.

0:34:560:34:58

Unverified lists

of MPs accused of misconduct

0:34:580:35:00

are reportedly circulating

in Westminster.

0:35:000:35:07

The parents of autistic children

are not being properly supported

0:35:070:35:10

in dealing with violent behaviour,

according to a charity.

0:35:100:35:13

This programme has spoken

to families who say they're not

0:35:130:35:15

getting enough help

from local authorities,

0:35:150:35:17

while they face violent outbursts

from their children,

0:35:170:35:19

including kicking and headbutting.

0:35:190:35:22

The National Autistic Society says

that a special educational needs

0:35:220:35:25

system needs to be put in place

to provide the support needed

0:35:250:35:28

to de-escalate violent behaviour.

0:35:280:35:32

An influential economic think-tank

says the Chancellor

0:35:320:35:34

is caught between a rock

and a hard place

0:35:340:35:36

as he prepares

his forthcoming Budget.

0:35:360:35:37

The Institute for Fiscal Studies

says Philip Hammond

0:35:370:35:40

will have to abandon his target

for getting rid of the deficit

0:35:400:35:45

if he is to meet demands

from Cabinet colleagues

0:35:450:35:47

to increase spending.

0:35:470:35:49

The Treasury has responded by saying

it would continue to adopt what

0:35:490:35:52

it called a balanced approach.

0:35:520:36:00

That is a summary of the latest BBC

News. All the sports now with John

0:36:000:36:05

Watson, who is at Mercedes HQ in

Brackley. Yes, a warm comeback to

0:36:050:36:13

Mercedes HQ, this is last season's

car, a successful night for Lewis

0:36:130:36:19

Hamilton, becoming the most

successful British driver in Formula

0:36:190:36:21

One history, he now holds four world

titles after picking it up at the

0:36:210:36:25

Mexico Grand Prix. He could only

finish ninth following a collision

0:36:250:36:31

with Sebastian Vettel on the first

lap, but that was enough to see him

0:36:310:36:34

win the title with two racers

despair. -- two races to spare.

0:36:340:36:48

Claude Puell's first game in charge

of Leicester City saw

0:36:480:36:50

them beat Everton at home.

0:36:500:36:51

Jamie Vardy scored their

first in a 2-0 win.

0:36:510:36:54

Everton remain in

the relagation zone.

0:36:540:36:55

Elsewhere in the Prmier

League, Brighton against

0:36:550:36:57

Southampton was 1-1.

0:36:570:36:58

Caroline Wozniacki has won

0:36:580:36:59

the biggest tournament

of her career.

0:36:590:37:00

The Dane beat Venus Williams

to claim the WTA Finals

0:37:000:37:03

trophy in Singapore.

0:37:030:37:05

Welshman Elfyn Evans won

the season-ending Wales Rally GB,

0:37:050:37:08

the first British winner

of the event in 17 years.

0:37:080:37:13

He is a local lad with plenty of

local knowledge, which perhaps

0:37:130:37:18

helped him without success. He is

the first British winner since Burns

0:37:180:37:23

in 2000.

0:37:230:37:24

But Frenchman Sebastien Ogier

came third to claim his fifth

0:37:240:37:27

consecutive World Championship.

0:37:270:37:29

Lots of people winning world titles

at the moment, Victoria, not least

0:37:290:37:33

Lewis Hamilton, a lot of people

wondering whether he can emulate the

0:37:330:37:37

achievements of Michael Schumacher,

who has the record of seven world

0:37:370:37:40

titles. The cars that Mercedes are

producing and the talents that Lewis

0:37:400:37:45

Hamilton has, you would not bet

against him doing it in the years to

0:37:450:37:48

come.

Absolutely not! We will talk to some

0:37:480:37:52

of his fans before ten o'clock.

0:37:520:37:58

Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey has

made an apology after being accused

0:37:580:38:01

of making a sexual advance

toward a child actor.

0:38:010:38:03

Anthony Rapp, who was 14

at the time, says Spacey invited him

0:38:030:38:06

to a party and seemed drunk

when the alleged incident happened.

0:38:060:38:09

Adan Vary is the journalist at

Buzzfeed News who broke the story.

0:38:090:38:14

Anthony Rapp is alleging that when

he was 14 in 1986, he was prevented

0:38:140:38:19

by Kevin Spacey, who was performing

on Broadway, as was Anthony. He was

0:38:190:38:25

invited to a party at Kevin Spacey's

house late at night, he went, he was

0:38:250:38:30

very used to being in the company of

adults as a child actor, so he

0:38:300:38:33

didn't think there was anything out

of the ordinary. Even when he

0:38:330:38:37

arrived at the party and realised he

was the only non-adults there come

0:38:370:38:41

he didn't think it unusual, but he

got bored, he said, pretty quickly,

0:38:410:38:47

ended up in the bedroom watching

late-night TV. And then at some

0:38:470:38:52

point, he says that he realised that

everyone else had left, and he was

0:38:520:38:57

alone with Kevin Spacey. Kevin

Spacey appeared at the bedroom door

0:38:570:39:01

and what Anthony Rapp says there was

a clumsy motion, Spacey stepped into

0:39:010:39:08

the bedroom, picked him up like a

bride would pick up a groom, placed

0:39:080:39:14

him on the bed, basically landed on

top of him, at which point Anthony

0:39:140:39:21

says that he felt Spacey pressing

into his body, and then Anthony was

0:39:210:39:27

able to squirm away and says that he

stepped into the bathroom very

0:39:270:39:30

quickly to just sort of composing

self, and then once he was composed,

0:39:300:39:35

he stepped out, told Kevin Spacey he

was going to be leaving, and the

0:39:350:39:40

Spacey followed him to the front

door and ask them, are you sure you

0:39:400:39:47

want to leave? According to Anthony.

And then he said, yes, and he left.

0:39:470:39:51

And that is the last time that

Anthony Rapp ever spoke to Kevin

0:39:510:39:57

Spacey. He has never spoken with him

since, although he has seen him a

0:39:570:40:02

few times in his life, but they have

never spoken.

Just to confirm, at

0:40:020:40:09

the point of this alleged incident,

Anthony Rapp was 14, and Kevin

0:40:090:40:15

Spacey was 26.

According to public

records, Kevin Spacey was 26, yeah.

0:40:150:40:21

So why has Anthony Rapp decided to

speak out now?

He was really moved

0:40:210:40:27

by the sheer number of women who

were coming forward and sharing

0:40:270:40:32

allegations of sexual harassment and

assault by Harvey Weinstein. It has

0:40:320:40:39

really become a turning point

moment, both in the entertainment

0:40:390:40:43

industry and in society at large,

about how we talk about sexual

0:40:430:40:47

harassment and sexual misconduct,

and how we treat victims. And

0:40:470:40:53

Anthony felt very much, as he says,

awake to that moment and felt that

0:40:530:40:57

this was the right time for him to

come forward and tell his story.

0:40:570:41:01

Kevin Spacey has given a statement

in response to this allegation, and

0:41:010:41:05

I know you are going to read that

for us, Adam.

Yes, before I do, I

0:41:050:41:11

want to stress that BuzzFeed News

reached out to Kevin Spacey's

0:41:110:41:17

representatives multiple times and

send a detailed letter with all the

0:41:170:41:19

allegations in our storage and heard

nothing from his representation

0:41:190:41:26

until Kevin Spacey tweeted this

statement out. And the statement is:

0:41:260:41:30

I have a lot of respect and

admiration for Anthony Rapp as an

0:41:300:41:34

actor, I am beyond horrified to hear

his story. I honestly do not member

0:41:340:41:38

the encounter, it would have been

over 30 years ago. But divided

0:41:380:41:41

behaviour then as he describes, I

owe him the sincerest apology for

0:41:410:41:46

what would have been deeply

inappropriate drunken behaviour, and

0:41:460:41:49

I am sorry for the feelings he

describes having carried with him

0:41:490:41:52

all of these years. This story has

encouraged me to address the other

0:41:520:41:57

things about my life. I know that

there are stories at there about me

0:41:570:42:02

that some have been fuelled by,

sorry, and that some have been

0:42:020:42:07

fuelled by the fact that I have been

so protective of my privacy. As

0:42:070:42:12

those closest to me know, in my life

I have had romantic relationships

0:42:120:42:16

with both men and women, excuse me,

and I have loved and had romantic

0:42:160:42:22

encounters with men throughout my

life. And I choose now to live as a

0:42:220:42:26

gay man. I want to deal with this

honestly and openly, and that start

0:42:260:42:30

with examining my own behaviour.

And

how has that statement been greeted?

0:42:300:42:37

Not well. I think the idea that he

is using the allegation that he made

0:42:370:42:45

a sexual advance on a 14-year-old

boy as an opportunity to come out is

0:42:450:42:49

striking many as sort of missing the

point, and he in no way at knowledge

0:42:490:42:58

is Anthony's age at the time in a

statement, speaking to what he wants

0:42:580:43:05

our reach to be, which is that he is

now coming out as a gay man. I think

0:43:050:43:10

you can see a lot of headlines, in

fact, focusing on that part of the

0:43:100:43:16

story and missing entirely the

allegations against him.

That was

0:43:160:43:20

Adam Vary, the journalist that

BuzzFeed News who broke the Kevin

0:43:200:43:24

Spacey story.

0:43:240:43:26

Of course, sexual harassment

is a serious problem in all walks

0:43:260:43:31

of life, with over 50% of women

saying they've been affected by it.

0:43:310:43:34

This morning the spotlight has

turned on politics with claims

0:43:340:43:37

that lists of 36 MPs accused

of misconduct

0:43:370:43:38

are circulating in Westminster.

0:43:380:43:39

Theresa May is proposing

a new system for dealing

0:43:390:43:42

with claims of harassment,

0:43:420:43:43

saying the reputation of Parliament

had to be protected.

0:43:430:43:45

Over the weekend it was revealed

that a government minister,

0:43:450:43:48

Mark Garnier, sent a junior member

of staff to buy vibrators for him

0:43:480:43:51

and used sexually offensive terms

to describe her breasts.

0:43:510:44:00

And a former government minister,

Stephen Crabb, was accusing

0:44:000:44:03

of sending sexually explicit texts

to a 19-year-old

0:44:030:44:05

who applied for a job in his office.

0:44:050:44:07

All these revelations have come

to light since allegations

0:44:070:44:09

against Harvey Weinstein were

exposed just over three weeks ago.

0:44:090:44:12

So last week the New York Times

published this massive article

0:44:120:44:15

detailing allegations of about three

decades' worth of accusations

0:44:150:44:19

of sexual harassment from Harvey

Weinstein against female employees.

0:44:190:44:26

After about 30 minutes,

he asked to excuse himself

0:44:300:44:32

and go to the bathroom.

0:44:320:44:36

He returned in nothing

but a robe with the front open

0:44:360:44:40

and he was buck naked.

0:44:400:44:42

The actresses Angelina Jolie

and Gwyneth Paltrow have joined

0:44:420:44:47

the growing number of women

who have claimed they were

0:44:470:44:50

sexually harassed by him.

0:44:500:44:51

He said that he wanted a massage,

could I give him a massage?

0:44:510:44:54

I said no.

0:44:540:44:55

Together, the claims build up

a picture of one of the most

0:44:550:44:58

powerful men in the industry

exerting pressure on younger women

0:44:580:45:02

at the start of their careers,

often in hotel rooms or offices.

0:45:020:45:05

The suggestions, spoken or unspoken,

were that he could advance

0:45:050:45:07

their careers if they went along

with him, or he could do serious

0:45:070:45:10

damage to the dreams if they didn't.

0:45:100:45:12

I didn't know about these things,

but they don't surprise me

0:45:120:45:14

at all, and they are endemic

to the system anyway.

0:45:140:45:19

Lots of these women

were in their 20s when it happened,

0:45:190:45:29

vulnerable, afraid that if they say

anything or do anything that it

0:45:290:45:32

will ruin their career.

0:45:320:45:33

I was shocked and appalled,

because I've known him

0:45:330:45:35

through politics, as many

Democrats have.

0:45:350:45:37

Police investigations into sexual

assault and rape politicians

0:45:370:45:39

against Hollywood producer

Harvey Weinstein

0:45:390:45:40

continue this morning.

0:45:400:45:41

Over 30 women, including

Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow

0:45:410:45:45

and Rose McGowan have made a number

of allegations against her.

0:45:450:45:49

Members of the European Parliament

have been debating sexual

0:45:580:46:00

harassment in the wake

of the Harvey Weinstein scandal.

0:46:000:46:02

Some MEPs complained they themselves

have experienced harassment.

0:46:020:46:04

Some lawmakers sat behind placards

with the hashtag #MeToo.

0:46:040:46:06

Downing Street has said any

allegations of sexual harassment

0:46:060:46:08

and abuse at Westminster

are deeply concerning.

0:46:080:46:10

Allegations made will be

taken very seriously.

0:46:100:46:12

These stories, if they are true,

are obviously totally unacceptable.

0:46:120:46:18

Jeremy Corbyn has called for MPs

who are guilty of sexual harassment

0:46:180:46:24

or abuse to be held to account.

0:46:240:46:26

The Labour leader warned that

a warped and degrading culture

0:46:260:46:29

was thriving in Westminster.

0:46:290:46:30

Complaints of inappropriate

behaviour and sexual harassment

0:46:300:46:31

by MPs have now led to a government

minister being placed

0:46:310:46:34

under investigation.

0:46:340:46:35

There is recognition that a change

in culture is needed.

0:46:350:46:37

It was worse.

0:46:370:46:38

It's a little bit better now,

but there's a long way to go.

0:46:380:46:41

Cat Smith is a Labour MP

and at just 32, is a member

0:46:410:46:44

of the Shadow Cabinet.

0:46:440:46:50

Have you experienced sexual

harassment?

Not in Westminster, but

0:46:500:46:55

I have experienced sexual harassment

in politics. It was quite a long

0:46:550:46:58

time ago now, but when I was active

campaigning for the Labour Party in

0:46:580:47:04

an area, there was a senior person

from the Labour group on the

0:47:040:47:09

council, who had a bit of a

reputation and on one occasion when

0:47:090:47:13

I was at a party, and he was there

and I was leaving, he chose to leave

0:47:130:47:20

the party at the same time as me

under the guise of wanting to walk

0:47:200:47:23

me to the nearest station so I got

home safely. I insisted that I was

0:47:230:47:30

fine walking on my own and I didn't

feel the need to be accompanied and

0:47:300:47:34

he tried to hold my hand on that

walk and I resisted, but I let him,

0:47:340:47:39

but once we got to the station he

delved in for a kiss that was not

0:47:390:47:44

invited and I pushed him away and

basically ran away interest him.

0:47:440:47:49

Now, I did report that and along

with other young female colleagues

0:47:490:47:53

who were active campaigning for the

Labour Party at that time, we

0:47:530:47:57

actually did manage to go through

our party's procedures and as far as

0:47:570:48:00

I am aware he no longer behaves like

that.

He was dealt with.

He was

0:48:000:48:05

dealt with basically and I am glaed

that we spoke out and did and I'm

0:48:050:48:08

glad that we're having this debate

today about the fact that for many

0:48:080:48:11

women this is still a massive

problem that is not being dealt

0:48:110:48:15

with.

You know what Theresa May has

suggested, some kind of independent

0:48:150:48:20

mediation system. What do you think

of that idea?

I think it can't be

0:48:200:48:24

that on its own. I think every

political party has a responsibility

0:48:240:48:30

to deal with sexual harassment in

their own parties. There needs to be

0:48:300:48:34

a space for MPs staff and also for

MPs, interns and work experience as

0:48:340:48:39

well...

When you say a space, what

do you mean? If you work for an MP,

0:48:390:48:43

if you are a researcher or intern

and that MP happens to sexually

0:48:430:48:49

harass you, you can't go to them.

Certainly, it varies party by party

0:48:490:48:55

and that's part of my concern. There

is a lot of inconsistency here. In

0:48:550:48:59

my party there is a route that you

can go down in order to address

0:48:590:49:08

sexual harassment, but it is not the

same in every political party and

0:49:080:49:11

someone might work for a politician

who is not party alined and there

0:49:110:49:14

needs to be something in place for

people like that. My worry is also

0:49:140:49:20

for people who intern and do work

experience in MPs offices because

0:49:200:49:23

when you don't have the formal

employer, employee relationship

0:49:230:49:26

there needs to be something in place

for them and maybe there is a space

0:49:260:49:30

for the House of Commons to have

have a process in place which maybe

0:49:300:49:32

could be led by the Speaker, but it

cannot just be that, it needs to be

0:49:320:49:38

parties for situations like the one

I mentioned where I was a party

0:49:380:49:43

activist.

Have you seen this

apparent lis, this dossier, this

0:49:430:49:47

spread sheet of 36 MPs?

I haven't

seen it, but I have no reason to

0:49:470:49:51

doubt that it exists. I think that

what we have learnt over the past

0:49:510:49:56

few days is this behaviour is

happening in Westminster and I'm

0:49:560:49:59

glad that we are speaking about it

and it is out in the open because

0:49:590:50:02

that will be the first step in the

way of making people change their

0:50:020:50:05

behaviour.

Why do you think it is

happening?

It is happening because

0:50:050:50:08

of the power relationship. It's

always amazed me in Westminster how

0:50:080:50:14

many unattractive perhaps

middle-aged men seem to end up, you

0:50:140:50:17

know, with very young, very good

looking girlfriends. And I think so

0:50:170:50:21

much of it is about that power

relationship. Be it gender, but that

0:50:210:50:26

power relationship between an

employer and an employee and

0:50:260:50:29

politics is competitive. If somebody

wants to have a career in politics,

0:50:290:50:33

you know, they realise it is a

competitive industry and they don't

0:50:330:50:38

want to upset anyone along the way,

turning down unwanted sexual

0:50:380:50:43

advances might for some women they

might certificate receive that as

0:50:430:50:48

upset be people and damage their

career. I would say to women, don't

0:50:480:50:52

see it in that way, report it,

because theme their attitudes

0:50:520:50:56

towards women and politics is not

welcome in our Parliament.

0:50:560:51:01

Has Labour got its house in order.

There are reports that Jeremy Corbyn

0:51:010:51:06

refused to meet Labour MP Sarah

Champion when she raised the issue?

0:51:060:51:11

I believe that Sarah and Jeremy have

spoken and he did a speech at the

0:51:110:51:18

weekend setting out how seriously he

is taking this. He has a zer ATOL

0:51:180:51:23

rans approach. I have known Jeremy

for a number of years. I always knew

0:51:230:51:28

he took the allegations seriously

and he is appalled as the rest of us

0:51:280:51:31

about it.

How do you respond to the

accusation that the party was slow

0:51:310:51:35

when it came to dealing with person

in terms of his foam phobic

0:51:350:51:43

comments?

It the comments that were

made by him are indefensible.

The

0:51:430:51:48

criticism was that you were...

He

has been suspended from the Labour

0:51:480:51:51

Party.

Was it too slow?

It would be

very difficult for me to comment on

0:51:510:51:56

it.

You must have an opinion on

whether it was slow or not?

I think

0:51:560:52:02

that, obviously the allegations were

released very slowly and it was

0:52:020:52:07

drip, drip, drip approach, but I

think that certainly by Wednesday it

0:52:070:52:10

was right that the whip was removed

and he is not sitting as a Labour

0:52:100:52:14

MP.

What should happen to a minister

who asks his secretary to buy

0:52:140:52:19

vibrators for him and then calls her

a demeaning phrase?

Well, I think

0:52:190:52:25

certainly, the allegation that

you're talking about was made before

0:52:250:52:29

this person was a minister. So I

don't think the Ministerial Code is

0:52:290:52:33

an adequate way to go addressing

that particular allegation. Because

0:52:330:52:38

that relationship was in his

capacity as a member of Parliament u

0:52:380:52:41

not as a minister. I think that

every party needs to get their house

0:52:410:52:46

in order on this issue.

OK. Thank

you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you

0:52:460:52:50

for coming on the programme, Kat

Smith, Labour MP.

0:52:500:52:56

Coming up, we'll be hearing

from parents of autistic children

0:52:560:52:59

who've told us they face violence

at home regularly and don't

0:52:590:53:01

have the support they need.

0:53:010:53:06

Lewis Hamilton clinched

his fourth world title

0:53:080:53:10

at the Mexican Grand Prix

despite finishing only

0:53:100:53:13

ninth after a clash

with rival Sebastian Vettel.

0:53:130:53:16

His achievement makes him

unquestionably the most successful

0:53:160:53:19

British Formula One driver

in history, moving him

0:53:190:53:21

one championship clear

of Sir Jackie Stewart.

0:53:210:53:22

He's certainly come

a long way from this.

0:53:220:53:26

Winner of the Yamahas,

Lewis Hamilton.

0:53:270:53:33

Recognise me now?

I'm Lewis Hamilton.

0:53:350:53:43

My ambition is to get

Formula One, definitely.

0:53:430:53:45

I enjoy the speed.

0:53:450:53:46

I like to be with all the big

guys and I'd like to be

0:53:460:53:50

making lots of money.

0:53:500:53:50

It's just great feeling

when you wake up and you think

0:53:510:53:53

to yourself how did yesterday go?

0:53:530:53:58

And you say I'm world

champion and it's it

0:53:580:54:00

the coolest thing to be able

to say world champion.

0:54:000:54:03

COMMENTATOR: Lewis Hamilton

is the 2014 world champion.

0:54:030:54:06

Oh my god.

I can't believe it.

0:54:060:54:13

I can't really explain

how much this means.

0:54:150:54:17

It means even more

than the first one.

0:54:170:54:19

It feels like it's the first time

and I'm just, I feel so blessed.

0:54:190:54:23

COMMENTATOR: Lewis Hamilton wins

the US Grand Prix in Austin.

0:54:230:54:27

It's the greatest moment of my life.

0:54:270:54:30

I can't really find the right words

right this second to tell you how

0:54:300:54:34

amazing this feels and just that

I couldn't have done it without this

0:54:340:54:38

team who have empowered me

for the last three years and really

0:54:380:54:45

taken me on board and really helped

nurture me with the consider

0:54:450:54:47

and just faultless.

0:54:470:54:49

So I love you guys, thank you very

much for everything you do for me.

0:54:490:54:52

I feel like I conquered any demons,

that if I may have had any,

0:54:520:54:55

I don't think I did really,

but if I had any demons or anything

0:54:550:54:59

standing in my way I feel

I conquered it with great strength.

0:54:590:55:02

COMMENTATOR: Hamilton's

got problems.

0:55:020:55:04

Hamilton' got a puncture

on his right rear tyre.

0:55:040:55:06

Hamilton does it in 2017.

0:55:060:55:10

Hamilton is world champion in 2017.

0:55:100:55:18

I was always grateful after my first

and then the second came and then

0:55:180:55:21

the third came and then this sheer

will, how I still had

0:55:210:55:25

this will and willpower

to continue after a lot

0:55:250:55:28

of the success we've had.

0:55:280:55:29

I felt even a bigger burning desire

this year to win the championship

0:55:290:55:32

particularly as we're fighting

another team and I had

0:55:320:55:34

a difficult year last year.

0:55:340:55:35

So, I was adamant I was going

to better myself mentally,

0:55:350:55:40

physically and with my attitude

and how I work with everyone

0:55:400:55:42

so that I could put myself

in the position I'm in today.

0:55:420:55:47

We can speak now to David Brabham,

the son of the former racing world

0:55:490:55:54

champion Sir Jack Brabham,

and Lewis Hamilton

0:55:540:55:56

super-fan Donna James.

0:55:560:55:59

Welcome both. David, how do you

assess this achievement?

It's pretty

0:55:590:56:03

incredible really. To win one World

Championship is hard enough, but to

0:56:030:56:07

win four in the way that he has done

it as well. This year the

0:56:070:56:11

championship was going either way

Ferrari or Mercedes or Vettel or

0:56:110:56:18

Hamilton and over the break in

August, Lewis has gone up a gear. He

0:56:180:56:22

is driving jut standingingly.

What

sort of a driver is he?

He's very

0:56:220:56:27

natural.

What does that mean for us

lay people?

Just comes easy to him

0:56:270:56:33

in a way, but he's not lazy with it.

He works incredibly hard to keep

0:56:330:56:37

improving himself and I was watching

yesterday and Niki Lauda said from

0:56:370:56:42

last year to this year a big

improvement and over that break he

0:56:420:56:45

has improved again. He just keeps

wanting to improve and improve again

0:56:450:56:49

and with the right car, right team

around him, slightly untouchable at

0:56:490:56:54

the moment.

Donna, would you agree,

untouchable at the moment?

Oh

0:56:540:56:58

definitely, yes, without a doubt. He

has been amazing this season.

And

0:56:580:57:03

what is it that you love about Lewis

Hamilton?

Oh, I have loved Formula

0:57:030:57:08

One for so long now, but when Lewis

started, I followed him right from

0:57:080:57:13

the start. He is a really natural

driver. But he's also a racer and

0:57:130:57:18

that's what we want to see more in

Formula One. You know, good racing

0:57:180:57:22

really.

Do you think it's right that

appeals not only to what you might

0:57:220:57:29

call the petrol heads, but he loves

music and he has amazing personality

0:57:290:57:33

and he loves fashion. Does he bring

more people into Formula One?

Oh

0:57:330:57:38

yeah, definitely. He is treated more

like a rock star. We recently went

0:57:380:57:42

to Sepang to see the Formula One

there and it is just a different

0:57:420:57:48

feeling when he's around, you know,

he gets the crowds going. No other

0:57:480:57:54

Formula One driver, I don't think,

is treated the way he is. I mean he

0:57:540:57:58

is just treated like a rock star

really.

And David, what about what

0:57:580:58:02

Hamilton can do in the rest of his

career, can he beat Michael

0:58:020:58:06

Schumacher's record?

Well, I think

we're starting to see Lewis in his

0:58:060:58:10

prime. And probably just at the

beginning of it. He just seems to be

0:58:100:58:14

in a really good place at the

moment. He is happy about his life,

0:58:140:58:18

where he's A I think he is

comfortable with who he is, he

0:58:180:58:21

struggled with this the past which

may have got in the way. He has got

0:58:210:58:25

a fantastic team around him. You

would say have to say that Michael

0:58:250:58:31

Schumacher's achievements of seven

World Championships kind of looks

0:58:310:58:34

like it's possible.

Thank you very

much. Thank you for coming into the

0:58:340:58:37

studio. Thank you Donna. Thank you

for talk to us, I appreciate it.

0:58:370:58:45

Let's get the latest

weather update with Carol.

0:58:450:58:48

How are you?

Very well, thank you.

It's freezing. Winter is here.

It

0:58:480:58:54

has been a really cold start. The

lowest temperature was minus five

0:58:540:58:59

Celsius in the Highlandsment the

last film we saw a temperature of

0:58:590:59:02

minus 5.1 Celsius was on 9th May in

Shap and that was high. You are not

0:59:020:59:08

wrong as usual!

0:59:080:59:10

Shap and that was high. You are not

wrong as usual!

0:59:100:59:11

Isn't it gorgeous? A lovely Weather

Watcher picture showing we had clear

0:59:110:59:18

skies, but it was frosty. Another

gorgeous one. You can see the frost

0:59:180:59:22

on the flowers and the dew as well

and we have got another one if my

0:59:220:59:26

clicker will move on, from Perth in

Kinross, a frosty scene. We are

0:59:260:59:33

always talking about your central

heating...

It's on.

You might want

0:59:330:59:37

to switch it off because the

temperatures are up and down like a

0:59:370:59:41

yo-yo. What we have got is after

today, there is a cold start. This

0:59:410:59:44

is alluding to there with Victoria,

we will see more cloud building from

0:59:440:59:49

tomorrow and through the midweek

period. It will turn milder. There

0:59:490:59:53

is little rain in the forecast this

week. Welds some in the north and

0:59:530:59:57

the west, but many of us will stay

dry and it is next weekend it turns

0:59:571:00:01

colder and showery. Talking of

showers, we have got showers

1:00:011:00:04

flirting with the North Sea Coast

line. We have got two weather fronts

1:00:041:00:08

crossing us from the west, both

heading eastwards and in between a

1:00:081:00:12

lot of dry weather. This afternoon a

cold afternoon when you compare it

1:00:121:00:17

to yesterday across northern

England, temperatures staying in

1:00:171:00:18

single figures. Still a few showers

particularly in East Anglia through

1:00:181:00:22

the afternoon. But from the Midlands

heading towards Kent and the Isle of

1:00:221:00:26

Wight, we have got a lot of

sunshine. A lot of sun shy across

1:00:261:00:29

south-west England and the Isles of

Scilly and the Channel Islands for

1:00:291:00:32

that matter and as we head into

Wales, again, you are looking at a

1:00:321:00:37

brighter, sunnier afternoon too,

temperatures lower than they were

1:00:371:00:39

this time yesterday. For Northern

Ireland, the cloud will be starting

1:00:391:00:42

to build, courtesy of our weather

front coming in from the west. It

1:00:421:00:46

will introduce splashes of rain and

drizzle as it will do across western

1:00:461:00:49

parts of Scotland, but move away

from that, we are in brighter skies,

1:00:491:00:53

except for in the north-east where

we have got our first weather front

1:00:531:00:55

crossing. Now this evening it will

turning chilly quickly in the South

1:00:551:01:00

East. We could have a touch of frost

for a time, but as the cloud comes

1:01:001:01:03

in from the west, bringing this rain

with it, and murky conditions, the

1:01:031:01:07

temperatures will actually go up in

the South East. And we are looking

1:01:071:01:10

at heavy rain across the western

Highlands and we will have the heavy

1:01:101:01:14

rain tomorrow. So we will be

starting to see especially with

1:01:141:01:21

height the accumulations building.

Tomorrow, as the rain rattles from

1:01:211:01:25

the west to the east, we will see

showers coming in across Northern

1:01:251:01:29

Ireland and into Wales and

north-west England and around the

1:01:291:01:31

Isle of Man, we are looking at

showers and drizzle, but push down

1:01:311:01:36

towards the South East, better back

in brighter skies and sunshine. Look

1:01:361:01:41

at the difference in the

temperatures. Today, single figures

1:01:411:01:45

and tomorrow we are back into double

figures. Moving from Tuesday and

1:01:451:01:49

into Wednesday, we have got this

weather front and it is wiggling

1:01:491:01:53

northwards and southwards, not

covering huge distances as it does

1:01:531:01:56

so, but it means that it is bringing

in cloud and rain. Quite a breezy

1:01:561:02:00

day, but the wind coming from a mild

south-westerly direction. Again,

1:02:001:02:05

windward coast seeing more cloud at

times, push down towards the south

1:02:051:02:09

and the east and we are back into

the sunshine, highs of 15 Celsius,

1:02:091:02:14

still we are looking at 12s and 13s

in the north.

1:02:141:02:19

Hello, it's Monday, it's 10am.

1:02:191:02:20

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

1:02:201:02:22

Our top story today -

Kevin Spacey apologises

1:02:221:02:26

after being accused of

making a sexual advance

1:02:261:02:28

toward a child actor.

1:02:281:02:31

And sexual harassment

claims at Westminster spiral,

1:02:311:02:36

with reports of 36 MPs

being accused of misconduct.

1:02:361:02:38

These young people,

especially as some of them,

1:02:381:02:40

it might be their first job

in politics, they have been

1:02:401:02:43

desperate to get it and might have

applied amongst 400 people to get

1:02:431:02:46

the job, and they get the job,

and then they find this MP

1:02:461:02:49

has wandering hands and says

inappropriate things

1:02:491:02:51

and they feel slightly frightened

or threatened by them.

1:02:511:02:53

Where do you go to

make that complaint?

1:02:531:02:55

Who do you speak to?

1:02:551:02:57

At the moment it's not clear at all,

1:02:571:02:59

and, of course,

no-one really has teeth.

1:02:591:03:02

There is no body that

can slap the MP down.

1:03:021:03:09

We'll hear from TV presenter

1:03:091:03:11

Anne Robinson, who says women really

should know better than to share

1:03:111:03:14

a cab or go to a hotel room

with someone they don't trust.

1:03:141:03:17

Also on the programme -

an exclusive report looking

1:03:171:03:19

at the reality for some parents

of living with autistic children.

1:03:191:03:21

It was really upsetting.

1:03:211:03:22

It's horrible,

because I love him so much.

1:03:221:03:28

And yeah, I don't want people

to be scared of him,

1:03:281:03:30

because he's, you know, his nature

is gentle and he doesn't...

1:03:301:03:37

he is not meaning

to be the way he is at all.

1:03:371:03:45

Many of you getting in touch to say

that you feel totally isolated, you

1:03:451:03:49

find yourself in a similar scenario,

totally isolated and failed by your

1:03:491:03:54

local authority. If you want to send

us an mail, please do. And there is

1:03:541:04:02

a new suggestion to scrap interest

on student loans to help avoid a

1:04:021:04:07

future debt crisis. If you are a

student, tell us what you think of

1:04:071:04:11

the idea.

1:04:111:04:17

Time for the latest news,

here's Annita McVeigh.

1:04:171:04:23

Thanks, Victoria, good morning.

1:04:231:04:25

The Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey

has been accused of making

1:04:251:04:28

a sexual advance towards a child

actor more than 30 years ago.

1:04:281:04:31

The Star Trek actor Anthony Rapp

said Mr Spacey had

1:04:311:04:33

placed him on a bed and climbed

on top of him when he was 14.

1:04:331:04:39

Kevin Spacey has responded

on Twitter,

1:04:391:04:41

saying he does not remember the

incident but if it had happened,

1:04:411:04:44

it would have been deeply

inappropriate and drunken behaviour.

1:04:441:04:46

The Leader of the House of Commons

1:04:461:04:48

is being asked to make

an urgent statement,

1:04:481:04:50

amid allegations of

widespread inappropriate sexual

1:04:501:04:51

behaviour in Westminster.

1:04:511:04:55

Yesterday, the Prime Minister

proposed a new system

1:04:551:04:57

for dealing with claims

of harassment,

1:04:571:05:00

saying the reputation of Parliament

had to be protected.

1:05:001:05:02

Unverified lists

of MPs accused of misconduct

1:05:021:05:04

are reportedly circulating

in Westminster.

1:05:041:05:08

Earlier, Kat Smith told the Victoria

of her experience of harassment in

1:05:081:05:11

politics.

Once we got to the

station, he delved in for a case

1:05:111:05:16

that was definitely not invited, and

I pushed him away and basically ran

1:05:161:05:20

away from him. Now, I did report

that, along with other young female

1:05:201:05:27

colleagues who were actively

campaigning for the Labour Party at

1:05:271:05:30

that time. We did manage to go

through our party procedures and, as

1:05:301:05:34

far as I am aware, he no longer

behaves like that.

1:05:341:05:38

The parents of autistic children

are not being properly supported

1:05:381:05:40

in dealing with violent behaviour,

according to a charity.

1:05:401:05:43

This programme has spoken

to families who say

1:05:431:05:44

they're not getting enough help

from local authorities,

1:05:441:05:46

while they face violent outbursts

from their children,

1:05:461:05:48

including kicking and headbutting.

1:05:481:05:49

The National Autistic Society says

that a special educational needs

1:05:491:05:52

system needs to be put in place

to provide the support needed

1:05:521:05:55

to de-escalate violent behaviour.

1:05:551:05:59

An influential economic think-tank

says the Chancellor

1:05:591:06:02

is caught between a rock

and a hard place

1:06:021:06:04

as he prepares

his forthcoming Budget.

1:06:041:06:06

The Institute for Fiscal Studies

says Philip Hammond

1:06:061:06:08

will have to abandon his target

for getting rid of the deficit

1:06:081:06:11

if he is to meet demands

from Cabinet colleagues

1:06:111:06:13

to increase spending.

1:06:131:06:16

The Treasury has responded by saying

it would continue to adopt what

1:06:161:06:19

it called a balanced approach.

1:06:191:06:23

That is a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:06:231:06:27

More from me at half past ten.

1:06:271:06:33

Cheers, thank you very much, just

reading your e-mails, many of you

1:06:331:06:37

have autistic children, Michelle

says, I have three autistic

1:06:371:06:40

children, two have been extremely

violent at times. My eldest child

1:06:401:06:44

pushed my husband down the stairs

following my younger son cracking my

1:06:441:06:48

ribs. I was offered workshops and

allocated a social worker, when they

1:06:481:06:54

came out, having skimmed through our

historical notes, I was told, you

1:06:541:06:57

couldn't cope then, now you are not

coping again, and if you can't

1:06:571:07:01

manage, we will have to place your

children in care. I was shocked and

1:07:011:07:05

terrified at the same time, I did

need support, but I wanted to keep

1:07:051:07:09

my children. I told them I did not

need their help, and I will never

1:07:091:07:13

ask for their help again. This

e-mail is a story that brings me to

1:07:131:07:21

tears, my son has severe autism, and

it has reduced my life to almost

1:07:211:07:26

nonexistent. There is not enough

support, I have had to give up my

1:07:261:07:30

job, I have no friends, worst of all

family feel I am throwing my life

1:07:301:07:34

away, it is very isolating and the

council have failed us. Another

1:07:341:07:41

says, I am crying watching your

report, I have two autistic

1:07:411:07:44

children, seven and four, I am a is

in your parent with no help, I have

1:07:441:07:48

got no energy. -- I am a single

parent with no help. Very

1:07:481:07:57

distressing and moving

correspondence from you, we will be

1:07:571:08:00

talking more about this in the next

half-hour, and we will try to get

1:08:001:08:04

some advice for you at least. Do get

in touch, send an e-mail or message

1:08:041:08:09

us on Twitter. Let's bring you some

sport, Olly Foster is with us.

1:08:091:08:16

Hello, Victoria, Lewis Hamilton, as

we have been hearing all morning,

1:08:161:08:19

has become the most successful

British driver in the history of

1:08:191:08:23

Formula One. He could not make it

onto the podium at the Mexican Grand

1:08:231:08:28

Prix, but ninth was good enough to

become world champion for a fourth

1:08:281:08:31

time. He collided with title rival

Sebastian Vettel on the first lap, a

1:08:311:08:37

puncture on his Mercedes saw him

drop to last. Vettel could not

1:08:371:08:42

achieve the top two finish each

needed to keep the title race live,

1:08:421:08:47

and Hamilton was champion again with

two races to spare. That moves him

1:08:471:08:52

head of the greatest Sir Jackie

Stewart, won three titles.

He is the

1:08:521:08:57

one, at the moment, who is driving

the best car with the best team, and

1:08:571:09:02

he is delivering, driving and

winning the World Championship for

1:09:021:09:05

one year is not all that difficult -

but doing it as a serial world

1:09:051:09:10

champion is considerably more

difficult.

Perfect start for Claude

1:09:101:09:15

Puel at Leicester City, he only took

over from Craig Shakespeare last

1:09:151:09:19

Wednesday, they beat Everton 2-0 to

move up to 11 in the table. Everton

1:09:191:09:25

had caretaker David Unsworth in

charge, they remain in the

1:09:251:09:29

relegation zone. Jamie Vardy and

Demarai Gray scored the goals for

1:09:291:09:32

the Foxes. Elsewhere, Brighton drew

with Southampton. In the Women's

1:09:321:09:39

Super League, Manchester City are

joint top of the two injury time

1:09:391:09:43

goals saw them beat Birmingham City

Ladies 3-1, Chelsea join them at the

1:09:431:09:48

top, they beat Yeovil 6-0, Arsenal

beat Everton. Caroline Wozniacki has

1:09:481:09:56

won the end of season World Tour

Finals in Singapore after a straight

1:09:561:10:00

sets victory over Venus Williams,

her biggest win of her career. It is

1:10:001:10:03

the first time she has beaten

Williams in eight attempts, capping

1:10:031:10:06

a remarkable comeback. She had

slipped to number 74 in the world

1:10:061:10:11

after a serious ankle injury last

year. Now she is back up to third in

1:10:111:10:16

the rankings. Talking about rolling

back the years, Roger Federer beat

1:10:161:10:22

Juan Martin del Potro to win the

Swiss Indoor title, a record eighth

1:10:221:10:26

time he has done that in Basel, his

seventh title of 2017. But he is

1:10:261:10:31

going to skip next month's Paris

Masters, which will almost certainly

1:10:311:10:36

see Rafa Nadal finish as number one

this year. That is all the sport for

1:10:361:10:42

now, back with the headlines later

in the programme.

1:10:421:10:45

Cheers, Olly

1:10:451:10:46

in the programme.

Cheers, Olly, thank you very much.

1:10:461:10:50

Sexual harassment allegations

have dominated the news

1:10:501:10:52

over the last three weeks -

no walk of life

1:10:521:10:54

is unaffected by it -

and hundreds of women -

1:10:541:10:56

and some men - have now

felt empowered to speak

1:10:561:10:59

out since allegations

about Harvey Weinstein

1:10:591:11:00

first emerged.

1:11:001:11:01

We can speak now to TV presenter

and journalist Anne Robinson,

1:11:011:11:04

who says women really should know

better than to share a cab

1:11:041:11:07

or go to a hotel room

with someone they don't trust.

1:11:071:11:09

Anne Robinson, good morning.

Morning, Victoria.

Is it as simple

1:11:091:11:14

as that?

No, it is not as simple as

that, it is very disappointing that

1:11:141:11:19

over the last 50 years the glass

ceilings have been broken and rather

1:11:191:11:26

than confidence flowing alongside

the fact that there are women in

1:11:261:11:29

power, there is a sort of fragility

and inability to speak out. If there

1:11:291:11:35

are former Cabinet ministers now

saying, yes, it goes on in the

1:11:351:11:40

Houses of Parliament, why haven't

they done anything about it?!

If

1:11:401:11:44

there is a fragility amongst women,

why is that?

I really fail to

1:11:441:11:51

understand it, because you know, 50

years ago, there were very few of

1:11:511:11:56

us, particularly in newspapers, who

had a position of power, and we

1:11:561:12:00

seems to be much more robust and

then about bending off this sort of

1:12:001:12:04

behaviour. It is women having PhD is

and Masters degrees if they have not

1:12:041:12:14

got any common-sense!

It is not

about education, though, is it? You

1:12:141:12:21

can have a first-class degree from

one of the top universities in the

1:12:211:12:24

world still feel vulnerable and

intimidated by a man in a more

1:12:241:12:29

senior position than you.

Well, I

can ask you the same, why do you

1:12:291:12:33

think that is? You have gone silent

on me.

Yeah, I am just thinking

1:12:331:12:40

about it! It is complex, isn't it?

I

will tell you what I think should

1:12:401:12:47

happen much more, and I do try, they

should be more mentoring of young

1:12:471:12:52

women. So they learn not to have to

put up with this behaviour. I mean,

1:12:521:13:00

why if someone is bright enough to

be a PA to a Trade Minister not able

1:13:001:13:05

to say to him, I am not going to go

to a shop and buy sex toys?

Because

1:13:051:13:10

you might feel that your job would

be under threat.

But there is a

1:13:101:13:13

certain amount of the attitude you

have, I can't say I come across much

1:13:131:13:20

of this behaviour, I honestly have

not, and I think it is probably

1:13:201:13:24

because I developed a very good

don't mess with me attitude to it.

1:13:241:13:29

You know, bullies only operate where

they think there is a weakness.

Are

1:13:291:13:34

you not blaming victims here?

Well,

I do think there is a lot more... I

1:13:341:13:40

do sort of feel that women are much

more fractured on the wheel of life

1:13:401:13:45

than maybe we were 40 years ago.

What about telling men to just stop

1:13:451:13:51

doing it?

Well, I certainly think...

I do think it is difficult for a

1:13:511:13:57

youngster who has just got her first

job to make a farce, but they should

1:13:571:14:02

be a system whereby senior women in

any organisation are there to have a

1:14:021:14:08

collective arm around her so that

she is not singled out as a

1:14:081:14:13

nuisance, that they listen to her

complaints and give those complaints

1:14:131:14:18

some validation.

And how should men

change?

Well, you know, shall we

1:14:181:14:24

tell them one more time and then

they will get it, Victoria? Men

1:14:241:14:28

won't change until it is made very,

very, very inconvenient for them to

1:14:281:14:33

behave like this. I had no idea this

was still going on, I am very

1:14:331:14:39

disappointed in it.

But the fact

that it is still going on, and to

1:14:391:14:43

such an extent, it would seem, you

make of that?

Well, I think there is

1:14:431:14:51

collaboration. The Prime Minister

has been MP for 20 years, did it not

1:14:511:14:55

occurred to her before this that

something horrid was happening?

Has

1:14:551:15:00

it happened to you?

No! Honestly, I

can't think of a dreadful occasion I

1:15:001:15:09

have had working, I really can't,

because bullies know better than

1:15:091:15:17

anybody when not to mess with you.

They understand no. And we simply

1:15:171:15:24

must start having women believe that

they can make a fuss. I don't

1:15:241:15:29

recognise your argument that a

clever PA can't say, I am not going

1:15:291:15:35

to go and buy sex toys for you.

Look, you have got another former

1:15:351:15:41

Cabinet minister, Justine Greening,

saying women should go to the

1:15:411:15:44

police. Can you imagine going to the

police station near Westminster and

1:15:441:15:50

saying to the desk sergeant, by the

way, I would like to complain that

1:15:501:15:54

my boss ask me to buy sex toys?

I am

not sure you would go to the police

1:15:541:15:59

about that. The fact that a PA is

clever or otherwise seems to be one

1:15:591:16:05

point, but in the end, when you are

working for somebody, and they are

1:16:051:16:10

asking you to do something or

putting themselves upon you,

1:16:101:16:14

suggesting sexually inappropriate

things, you might feel intimidated -

1:16:141:16:18

you might feel your position is

under threat if you say no, and that

1:16:181:16:22

is fair enough, isn't it? Do you not

have sympathy with those people?

1:16:221:16:29

Well, you could say I find this

inappropriate behaviour, you could

1:16:291:16:33

have some sort of mentoring system

so you could go and discuss it and

1:16:331:16:37

perhaps some woman more senior in

power can help you get through this.

1:16:371:16:41

Thank you.

You must agree with me,

that, you know, these days there are

1:16:411:16:51

enough women MPs, it is a disgrace

that they have allowed it to go on

1:16:511:16:55

happening.

Do you wonder that, it's

perhaps because of views like yours,

1:16:551:17:02

it stops peopling speaking up?

Why

would views like mine stop them

1:17:021:17:07

speaking up?

It some people it might

sound like you are blaming the

1:17:071:17:10

victim?

I'm not blaming the victim.

I'm being pragmatic. In a perfect

1:17:101:17:17

world men wouldn't behave badly, but

they are going to go on behaving

1:17:171:17:22

badly until it is inconvenient for

them not to and part of that has to

1:17:221:17:27

be that women who are in powerful

positions start helping younger

1:17:271:17:32

women not to put up with it.

OK.

I

don't think that's under reasonable,

1:17:321:17:37

is it?

Thank you very much, Anne

Robinson, thank you for coming on

1:17:371:17:41

the programme. Thank you.

1:17:411:17:46

This morning we've been hearing

from parents of violent autistic

1:17:481:17:50

children who've told us they face

being strangled,

1:17:501:17:52

head-butted and kicked.

1:17:521:17:53

Of course not all autistic

children are violent,

1:17:531:17:55

but when they are,

it can be incredibly

1:17:551:17:57

difficult to manage.

1:17:571:17:58

The National Autistic Society say

parents aren't being properly

1:17:581:18:04

supported by their local

authorities, leaving

1:18:041:18:05

families and their

children in dire need.

1:18:051:18:08

We bought you Noel Philips

exclusive report earlier,

1:18:081:18:10

here's a short extract.

1:18:101:18:19

Let's talk to Yvonne Newbold,

who has faced violence at the hands

1:20:051:20:08

of her son who is now

in residential care.

1:20:081:20:10

Yvonne now writes on how parents can

handle challenging children.

1:20:101:20:12

Stephenie Sverna and her son James.

1:20:121:20:13

James is ten and has autism.

1:20:131:20:18

David, step dad is here as well.

1:20:181:20:20

Stephenie is also expecting

a second child, and is due

1:20:201:20:23

to give birth next month,

so she has concerns

1:20:231:20:25

about keeping her baby safe.

1:20:251:20:27

Richard Sutton has a 14-year-old son

called Max who needs a two-to-one

1:20:271:20:30

staff ratio at all times in school

to manage his behaviour safely.

1:20:301:20:34

And Labour MP Dr Paul Williams,

who is also a GP and a member

1:20:341:20:37

of the Health Select Committee.

1:20:371:20:39

He recently wrote to

England's Health Secretary,

1:20:391:20:41

Jeremy Hunt, raising concerns

about support for families.

1:20:411:20:46

Welcome all of you. Thank you so

much for coming on the programme.

1:20:461:20:51

Yvonne, your son would lash out at

you. Tell our audience a little of

1:20:511:20:55

what you experienced.

Right, it

started when he was about ten and

1:20:551:21:01

we, it was just a complete shock. It

came from nowhere. At first I just

1:21:011:21:05

thought, he wasn't very mobile, he

was just learning how to walk and at

1:21:051:21:08

first I thought that it was just he

was experimenting with moving his

1:21:081:21:12

arms and things, I thought it was an

accident. The first time it

1:21:121:21:17

happened, he hit me across the face

so hard that my glasses went across

1:21:171:21:22

the room. I thought it was a

one-off, by the end of that week it

1:21:221:21:26

was happening seven or eight times a

day. It escalated so that it was

1:21:261:21:31

kicking. It was pulling my hair. One

of the things he would do would be

1:21:311:21:34

pull my hair, but then kick me in

the face where there is no escape.

1:21:341:21:40

Were you frightened?

Terrified at

times. The times I didn't know how

1:21:401:21:44

we were going to get through the

next five minutes. There were times

1:21:441:21:49

when I really didn't think that I

would be able to somehow get all of

1:21:491:21:55

us through it alive. Or without a

serious injury. I also had two other

1:21:551:22:00

children, Toby was my middle child

so it just wasn't me that was

1:22:001:22:04

vulnerable and one of the things was

when he came downstairs in the

1:22:041:22:09

morning, somebody had to come

because his mobility is so poor,

1:22:091:22:13

somebody has to walk backwards ahead

of him. Well, at least once a week I

1:22:131:22:19

was getting kicked down the stairs

backwards. It just becomes your

1:22:191:22:22

life. It just becomes normal.

Stephanie, you're nodding in

1:22:221:22:27

agreement here. Again, give our

audience a little insight into your

1:22:271:22:31

daily life and the challenges.

Well,

my son John McCain is ten years old.

1:22:311:22:36

He's severely autistic and non

verbal and still in nappies and

1:22:361:22:40

every day, every moment is different

so even now, he's quite unsettled.

1:22:401:22:46

He has a diagnosis of ASD and ADHD

so he's very, very active,

1:22:461:22:52

constantly on the move. He will

self-harm and he will lash out at us

1:22:521:22:57

if we get too close and it's every

day for James is quite challenging

1:22:571:23:03

and quite difficult. So we never

really know to what expect and we

1:23:031:23:09

have to hyper vigilant and on edge

all the time so it is a big

1:23:091:23:13

challenge.

What are your concerns as

you prepare to have another baby?

I

1:23:131:23:19

am worried about, because for the

last ten years, my focus has been

1:23:191:23:23

entirely on James and I'm worried

that I wouldn't be able to have that

1:23:231:23:29

focus 100% on James and I'm

expecting within the next two weeks

1:23:291:23:32

so it will be a huge life change so

I'm quite worried about the impact

1:23:321:23:38

that that's going to have on his

behaviour and the challenging

1:23:381:23:41

behaviour.

Right. Does that include

safety towards your new baby?

Yes.

1:23:411:23:46

Yes, I mean I've had even throughout

this pregnancy I have had to keep a

1:23:461:23:52

distance, a physical barrier with my

son because he doesn't understand

1:23:521:23:57

how he is being around me so I have

to kind of protect already,

1:23:571:24:02

safeguard already, my, you know,

baby.

OK.

1:24:021:24:07

Richard, hello.

Hi.

Tell us about

the issues with your son?

Max is 14.

1:24:071:24:17

He has a chromosome deletion. He has

autism features. He has behaviour

1:24:171:24:24

that challenges us most days.

What

does that mean in practical terms?

1:24:241:24:27

That means he can become from being

a passive young man to escalating

1:24:271:24:36

into direct violence either to us or

to himself and that can last for

1:24:361:24:43

minutes. It can last for hours and I

think the overwhelming impact is

1:24:431:24:49

that it leaves you feeling unsure

where to go for help. Unsure how to

1:24:491:24:56

manage.

OK. And where, Yvonne, where

should parents with autistic

1:24:561:25:03

children who are being violent

towards them go for help and what

1:25:031:25:07

help should they get?

Are you asking

what help should they get?

What help

1:25:071:25:11

should they get?

First of all being

believed and understood and accepted

1:25:111:25:15

that this is a thing.

Right. Sorry

to interrupt, I'm getting messages

1:25:151:25:23

from parents in similar scenarios

and they are being told you are an

1:25:231:25:27

inadequate parent...

Exactly.

Is

that a theme?

I thought I was a

1:25:271:25:32

failure as a mother for years. It

wasn't until years later when I

1:25:321:25:36

began to realise that I wasn't the

only one and if anybody is watching

1:25:361:25:40

today, please know that you are not

the only one out there. I didn't

1:25:401:25:46

realise actually I was like the

tough mother of parents. We have to

1:25:461:25:50

learn on the job. We have to try

every possible, off-the-wall quirky,

1:25:501:25:56

strategy, going to just try

everything and throw everything at

1:25:561:25:59

it to try and sort it.

OK. So what

should be available, but what is

1:25:591:26:03

actually happening?

What should be

available is a robust referral

1:26:031:26:09

system whereby parents can access

positive behaviour support from a

1:26:091:26:15

behaviour intervention team.

Does

that mean someone coming into your

1:26:151:26:17

home?

Yes, we got it, but it took

seven years.

Oh my word.

And we

1:26:171:26:25

finally got it after Toby's 17th

birthday and because it was a

1:26:251:26:30

children's service, it finished on

the day he was 18.

OK. Let me bring

1:26:301:26:35

in Paul Williams. The Local

Government Association tell us that

1:26:351:26:40

councils aren't getting the funding

they need, that's why parents like

1:26:401:26:44

the ones we have here are not

getting the help in their home with

1:26:441:26:49

their challenging autistic children?

Local councils are having to deal

1:26:491:26:52

with significant cutbacks and sadly

the stories that we're hearing today

1:26:521:26:56

show there are too many people that

are falling through the net and it's

1:26:561:26:59

a net they fall between and what

council is trying to do and what

1:26:591:27:03

schools are trying to do and what

Health Services are trying to do.

1:27:031:27:07

How would you make it work?

First of

all, families need to get a prompt

1:27:071:27:13

diagnosis and I have been doing some

work with MPs to try and hold the

1:27:131:27:17

Health Secretary to account for

this. The guidance says that a

1:27:171:27:20

diagnosis should start, the process

start within three months of

1:27:201:27:24

referral. Some people are waiting

four years for that process to

1:27:241:27:28

begin. We need at qat support for

families to get the right behaviour

1:27:281:27:31

intervention. It is not about

medicines, they don't want

1:27:311:27:34

medication, they want support to

look after their children in their

1:27:341:27:37

own homes. And we actually need

better support for respite as well

1:27:371:27:42

because you can much better look

after your child if you have the

1:27:421:27:48

break.

After the support packages

that are put in place are not

1:27:481:27:54

fulfilled, whether it is due to lack

of staffing or long waiting lists

1:27:541:28:00

and so, what looks good on paper

doesn't necessarily come through in

1:28:001:28:05

practise and the families don't

necessarily receive the support that

1:28:051:28:07

they should be receiving.

So you are

promised something, but it doesn't

1:28:071:28:11

materialise?

I have had to make

formal complaints about my son's

1:28:111:28:18

respite provider because we were

going four months without a break

1:28:181:28:21

and hopefully that's been resolved

now and things put into place, but

1:28:211:28:24

often families are promised

something and that's not fulfilled

1:28:241:28:27

in practise so there is a gap.

What

help do you want?

I think the

1:28:271:28:36

fundamental issue in many, many

situations is that the assessment

1:28:361:28:43

process and the provision, the

assessment process actually comes

1:28:431:28:47

from the starting point of the

individual and the family rather

1:28:471:28:50

than what services do provide and

what services can provide. In that

1:28:501:28:55

way you actually start to get - we

have been talking about person

1:28:551:29:00

centred care and person centred

planning for years, but actually

1:29:001:29:03

making that happen is a challenge to

professionals, it is a challenge for

1:29:031:29:06

professionals to start to begin to

act and work as your support rather

1:29:061:29:13

than a gatekeeper for services.

Let me read you some messages from

1:29:131:29:18

people watch you around the country.

This e-mail from Blossom, "Children

1:29:181:29:27

with high functioning autism can

also be very violent and exhausting

1:29:271:29:30

to care for. I ended up with an

emergency spinal injury following a

1:29:301:29:35

meltdown by our child. Efficients

11. We usually have one or two

1:29:351:29:38

emergency social workers on call for

the county of Lincolnshire due to

1:29:381:29:42

cuts. It is no longer an emergency

service, we live with frequent

1:29:421:29:48

injury and major damage to our

home." This texter says, "Our son is

1:29:481:29:53

six and has very violent episodes

especially during the school

1:29:531:29:56

holidays, he is verbal and bright,

but lashes out when he's suffering

1:29:561:30:00

extreme anxiety. I am usually

covered in bruises. We've been

1:30:001:30:04

offered help, but this was limited

and we were discharged after several

1:30:041:30:07

months. None of the support we were

offered helped when our son was in

1:30:071:30:11

crisis and lashing out. This is when

parents need the support. It's so

1:30:111:30:15

hard. He doesn't mean to hurt, it is

a reaction to anxiety. At six, he's

1:30:151:30:21

very strong, but we can just about

manage, but I am terrified of the

1:30:211:30:27

consequences as he gets older and

becomes stronger." That's a

1:30:271:30:31

despairing scenario for a parent to

find themselves in.

1:30:311:30:38

I am a doctor by background, but I

wasn't elected to Parliament at the

1:30:381:30:43

last election, and parents often

feel they are not being prioritised,

1:30:431:30:47

and I hope, I think that politics

has the power to change this, if it

1:30:471:30:52

is prioritised, and we get the

systems and structures right. It is

1:30:521:30:55

really important not to stigmatise,

this is never the fault of the

1:30:551:31:02

children that are often experiencing

great frustration, sometimes the

1:31:021:31:08

expression that we see of violent

behaviour is because of how

1:31:081:31:12

sensitive they are to changes in

their environment, and so we need to

1:31:121:31:17

support, not stigmatise, and we need

to make sure this is given a real

1:31:171:31:20

priority.

Thank you all very much,

thank you for coming on the

1:31:201:31:23

programme. Thank you.

1:31:231:31:26

In the last half-hour of the

programme, we will talk to the

1:31:261:31:30

university student from Bristol who

was put on trial after police found

1:31:301:31:33

a copy of the terrorism manual The

Anarchist Cookbook underneath his

1:31:331:31:36

bed.

1:31:361:31:41

He's now been cleared

of that charge,

1:31:411:31:43

and we followed him

throughout the trial.

1:31:431:31:47

And calling all students, should the

Government scrap interest on student

1:31:471:31:50

loans to help avoid a future debt

crisis? We will talk to some

1:31:501:31:55

undergraduates to get their thoughts

in the next half-hour.

1:31:551:32:01

Time for the latest

news, here's Annita.

1:32:011:32:05

The headlines on BBC News:

1:32:051:32:09

The Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey

has been accused of making

1:32:091:32:12

a sexual advance towards a child

actor more than 30 years ago.

1:32:121:32:15

The Star Trek actor Anthony Rapp

said Mr Spacey had placed him

1:32:151:32:18

on a bed and climbed

on top of him when he was 14.

1:32:181:32:21

Kevin Spacey has responded

on Twitter,

1:32:211:32:22

saying he does not

remember the incident,

1:32:221:32:24

but if it had happened,

1:32:241:32:25

it would have been deeply

inappropriate and drunken behaviour.

1:32:251:32:29

The Leader of the House of Commons

1:32:291:32:31

is being asked to make

an urgent statement,

1:32:311:32:34

amid allegations of

widespread inappropriate sexual

1:32:341:32:35

behaviour in Westminster.

1:32:351:32:37

Yesterday, the Prime Minister

proposed a new system

1:32:371:32:39

for dealing with claims

of harassment,

1:32:391:32:41

saying the reputation of Parliament

had to be protected.

1:32:411:32:43

Unverified lists

of MPs accused of misconduct

1:32:431:32:45

are reportedly circulating

in Westminster.

1:32:451:32:48

Earlier, Kat Smith told

the Victoria of her

1:32:481:32:52

The parents of autistic children

are not being properly supported

1:32:551:32:57

in dealing with violent behaviour,

according to a charity.

1:32:571:33:00

This programme has spoken

to families who say

1:33:001:33:01

they're not getting enough help

from local authorities,

1:33:011:33:03

while they face violent outbursts

from their children,

1:33:031:33:07

including kicking and headbutting.

1:33:071:33:09

The National Autistic Society says

that a special educational needs

1:33:091:33:12

system needs to be put in place

to provide the support needed

1:33:121:33:15

to de-escalate violent behaviour.

1:33:151:33:23

A leading cancer charity

has appointed

1:33:231:33:25

what it calls a digital nurse

to combat so-called

1:33:251:33:27

fake news about the disease.

1:33:271:33:28

Macmillan Cancer Support says

the internet is full of unverified

1:33:281:33:32

statistics and bogus treatment

suggestions which mislead

1:33:321:33:34

often frightened patients.

1:33:341:33:36

It says it wants to provide

clear advice online

1:33:361:33:38

about diagnosis and treatment.

1:33:381:33:47

That is a summary of the latest BBC

News.

1:33:471:33:51

News just in, counterterrorism

officers say they have arrested two

1:33:511:33:55

14-year-old boys from North

Yorkshire on suspicion of preparing

1:33:551:33:58

for an act of terrorism. Pete boys

have been taken to a police station

1:33:581:34:03

in west Yorkshire for questioning.

-- the two boys. They say they are

1:34:031:34:08

from Northallerton and the searchers

are ongoing at a number of

1:34:081:34:11

properties in North Yorkshire. --

the searches. Police say, quote, we

1:34:111:34:28

understand that people may have

concerns as a result of this

1:34:281:34:31

activity, and we are grateful for

the patience and understanding of

1:34:311:34:35

the public as these inquiries are

carried out. Olly Foster has all the

1:34:351:34:38

sport. Lewis Hamilton has become the

most successful British driver in

1:34:381:34:44

Formula One. The only finished ninth

in Mexico, but that was enough to

1:34:441:34:49

take the title for a fourth time.

Claude Puel's first game in charge

1:34:491:35:18

Feeling the heat - Josh is hard

at work as a kitchen hand.

1:36:121:36:16

His life as a university student

on hold, while he waits to find out

1:36:161:36:25

what's in store for him.

1:36:261:36:28

In just over a week,

Josh is due in court in Birmingham

1:36:281:36:31

to face charges of terrorism.

1:36:311:36:32

We've been given exclusive access

to this remarkable ordeal.

1:36:321:36:34

If he's found guilty,

he could go to jail for ten years.

1:36:341:36:37

A terrorism charge,

that's a big deal.

1:36:371:36:41

If I go to prison over this, well,

it would be a ridiculous

1:36:411:36:44

miscarriage of justice.

1:36:441:36:52

EXPLOSION.

1:36:521:36:58

A year ago, Josh was in Syria,

against Foreign Office advice,

1:36:581:37:01

having joined Kurdish militia

in the fight against

1:37:011:37:03

so-called Islamic State.

1:37:031:37:04

When we met up with him,

he'd returned safely home to Bristol

1:37:041:37:07

with an extraordinary story.

1:37:071:37:12

You felt strongly enough to pick up

a gun and do something about it.

1:37:121:37:16

But surely that's the same sort

of sentiment a terrorist has?

1:37:161:37:20

There's a big difference

between those who wish to commit

1:37:201:37:22

genocide and those who wish to stop

people from committing genocide.

1:37:221:37:29

But no words really to describe

being under aerial bombardment.

1:37:291:37:33

All you can do, essentially, is keep

your head down and hope it stops.

1:37:331:37:40

I'm meeting up with Josh in the same

cafe where we talked back in March.

1:37:401:37:45

Last time I saw you,

you'd recently come back from Syria.

1:37:451:37:48

Now this.

1:37:481:37:48

What happened?

1:37:481:37:50

So, obviously they arrested

me when I returned.

1:37:501:37:55

When they went to search my room,

they found a partial copy

1:37:551:37:59

of The Anarchist Cookbook,

which I had printed off

1:37:591:38:05

about two years ago and I had

completely forgotten about.

1:38:051:38:14

And so in the context, obviously,

it didn't look the best.

1:38:141:38:17

What the police had found

in a drawer under his bed were pages

1:38:171:38:20

of a 46-year-old American

publication, The Anarchist Cookbook.

1:38:201:38:25

It was enough for Josh to be

charged under Section 58

1:38:251:38:28

of the Terrorism Act for possessing

information likely to be

1:38:281:38:30

of use to a terrorist.

1:38:301:38:36

They couldn't prosecute me

for going to Syria,

1:38:361:38:39

so they are getting me on this

stupid university thing,

1:38:391:38:43

just to cause trouble for those

of us who go and help the Kurds.

1:38:431:38:48

Life is undoubtedly

stressful with a criminal

1:38:481:38:49

charge hanging over you.

1:38:491:38:52

But at work in Bristol, Josh's

colleagues are right behind him.

1:38:521:38:57

I was quite surprised

I heard about it.

1:39:201:39:25

You look at Josh and

you don't really think

1:39:251:39:27

he looks like a terrorist.

1:39:271:39:29

I was a shocked, really,

shocked and surprised

1:39:291:39:31

by what he's going through.

1:39:311:39:35

I want to have a closer look

at The Anarchist Cookbook.

1:39:351:39:38

Owning a copy is easy.

1:39:381:39:40

In fact, you can buy it online.

1:39:401:39:45

That's it.

1:39:451:39:47

It's on its way.

1:39:471:39:51

Welcome to passengers who joined

the service at Swindon.

1:39:511:39:53

It's now just a few

days until the trial.

1:39:531:39:56

And Josh is off to London

to meet his lawyer.

1:39:561:40:00

There's a chance things can go

wrong, people can think

1:40:001:40:04

all kinds of stupid stuff.

1:40:041:40:07

But I feel like worrying too much

is a waste of energy.

1:40:071:40:10

Anyway, it's just more preparation.

1:40:101:40:19

Fortunately for Josh,

he's qualifying for Legal Aid,

1:40:191:40:21

which means the state is paying

for a top barrister to defend him.

1:40:211:40:24

But is this case a waste

of public money?

1:40:241:40:26

If what he did in Syria is worthy

of criminal sanction,

1:40:261:40:29

then litigate that.

1:40:291:40:32

But to merely find a book gathering

dust in a drawer under his bed,

1:40:321:40:35

in his student room,

and to prosecute that under

1:40:351:40:37

terrorist legislation,

does strike me as deeply worrying.

1:40:371:40:42

If the Director of Public

Prosecutions really thinks this

1:40:421:40:44

book shouldn't exist,

shouldn't be accessible,

1:40:441:40:46

why hasn't he gone after Amazon

rather than a part-time

1:40:461:40:48

student from Bristol?

1:40:481:40:51

This wouldn't be the first time

that someone with a copy

1:40:511:40:54

of The Anarchist Cookbook

has been convicted.

1:40:541:40:57

But, in other cases,

there was other compelling evidence,

1:40:571:41:00

not just the book on its own.

1:41:001:41:04

Back in Bristol,

the post has arrived.

1:41:041:41:08

So, here it is.

My copy of The Anarchist Cookbook.

1:41:081:41:11

If I was Josh Walker,

just owning this book

1:41:111:41:13

would be enough to land me

with terrorism charges.

1:41:131:41:17

So, what's all the fuss about?

1:41:171:41:21

Looking at the contents page,

it's not what I thought.

1:41:211:41:23

Chapter one deals with drugs.

1:41:231:41:25

Chapter two electronics,

sabotage and surveillance.

1:41:251:41:27

Chapter three, weapons.

1:41:271:41:31

Chapter four - the most useful

to a potential terrorist -

1:41:311:41:36

covers explosives and booby-traps.

1:41:361:41:41

Recipes and formulae for making

things like nitroglycerin,

1:41:411:41:43

TNT and Molotov cocktails.

1:41:431:41:46

So what on earth was Josh

doing with the book?

1:41:461:41:50

In Birmingham, his trial

is about to start.

1:41:501:41:56

Outside the court, members

of the local Kurdish community

1:41:561:42:00

are here to show support -

and Josh's mum.

1:42:001:42:04

How does your mother feel about it?

1:42:041:42:07

She's not incredibly happy

with me, I'm pretty sure.

1:42:071:42:09

And of course she's worried.

1:42:091:42:14

Inside the court, Josh confirms

he did download large portions

1:42:141:42:19

of The Anarchist Cookbook,

but he had a legitimate reason.

1:42:191:42:25

I've been listening

to what's going on in there.

1:42:251:42:27

Josh told the court that

at university he was involved

1:42:271:42:29

in something called

the Crisis Game Society,

1:42:291:42:31

where they re-enacted

historical scenarios involving

1:42:311:42:33

terrorism and genocide.

1:42:331:42:36

Josh bought the book, he says,

because he wanted to bring

1:42:361:42:39

accuracy to the scenarios.

1:42:391:42:42

When the games ended,

rather than dispose of the book,

1:42:421:42:46

he put it in a drawer under his bed,

where it was found by the police.

1:42:461:42:53

The next day, Josh

takes to the stand.

1:43:041:43:07

Afterwards, he is visibly exhausted.

1:43:071:43:10

Yeah, quite tired.

Still got another day to go.

1:43:101:43:20

Well, all the evidence has now been

heard and it's up to the jury

1:43:201:43:24

to decide whether that book

in the drawer under Josh's bed

1:43:241:43:26

could really be used for terrorism.

1:43:261:43:29

It's verdict day and both Josh's

parents are with him.

1:44:011:44:06

The wait is a nervous one.

1:44:061:44:09

It's a waste of taxpayers' money,

it's a waste of my time.

1:44:091:44:12

If I go to prison over this, well,

you know, it would be

1:44:121:44:15

a ridiculous miscarriage

of justice, essentially.

1:44:151:44:19

It's disproportionate,

it's not necessary to interfere

1:44:191:44:21

with what, in legal terms,

is Josh's right to have,

1:44:211:44:24

share and gather information,

unless it would actually do

1:44:241:44:28

something to lessen

the risk of terrorism.

1:44:281:44:29

Which, in his case,

it obviously doesn't.

1:44:291:44:38

The jury takes less

than an hour to decide.

1:44:381:44:44

Josh is not guilty.

1:44:441:44:46

For his mum, huge relief and also

anger that it happened at all.

1:44:461:44:53

Really emotional

and really stressful.

1:44:531:44:54

The whole experience

has been so surreal,

1:44:541:44:58

it's been hard to call

what the outcome would be,

1:44:581:45:01

because the fact that we are here

in the first place is just

1:45:011:45:04

an absolute waste

of taxpayers' money.

1:45:041:45:06

It makes me quite angry.

1:45:061:45:07

It's cost tens of thousands of

pounds, but justice has been served.

1:45:071:45:10

Josh is innocent.

1:45:101:45:13

But he doesn't escape

a scolding from his mum.

1:45:131:45:15

He has he's got a lot

to make up for.

1:45:151:45:18

He's got a lot of grovelling

to do, haven't you?

1:45:181:45:20

Yes.

1:45:201:45:22

And he'd better not do anything

for the next 20 years that may

1:45:221:45:26

cause me any worry at all.

1:45:261:45:28

That might be a little difficult,

but I'll do my best.

1:45:281:45:31

He can do his best.

1:45:311:45:34

You can see more of that report

on Inside Out West tonight.

1:45:401:45:45

Scrapping interest on student loans

and extending the time

1:45:471:45:53

limit on paying them

back could help to avoid

1:45:531:45:55

a future debt crisis.

1:45:551:45:57

That's according to a conservative

leaning think tank called UK 2020

1:45:571:46:00

which says such measures

would "bring down costs"

1:46:001:46:02

for students and graduates.

1:46:021:46:07

Let's talk to the report's main

editor and the editor of the student

1:46:071:46:14

newspaper.

1:46:141:46:22

What's the problem?

There is a

problem with student loans. 40% will

1:46:221:46:25

have to be written off by the

Government over time and students

1:46:251:46:29

don't know how much they have got to

pay back. They can't afford the

1:46:291:46:32

interest let alone repaying the

capital. We worked out that the

1:46:321:46:35

Government could afford to write off

all of the historic student loans of

1:46:351:46:39

£11 billion because they have

already provided for that loss in

1:46:391:46:43

their accounts and then charged no

future interest on student loans. So

1:46:431:46:47

you are basically reorganising the

deal between the country, the State,

1:46:471:46:52

and students so yes, students would

still have to repay the capital, so

1:46:521:46:57

they wouldn't have interest on the

loans so they would know how much

1:46:571:47:01

interest, but they would have to pay

it over a longer period which would

1:47:011:47:06

increase the recovery rates, up to

about 80%, and therefore, it would

1:47:061:47:09

be a better deal for the students,

the taxpayers and parents if they

1:47:091:47:12

are involved too.

1:47:121:47:23

Cirsy?

When they were risen to

#6.1%, the IF saismtd it was the

1:47:281:47:36

main reason that students wouldn't

be able to repay their loans. I

1:47:361:47:38

don't think that's, I don't think

that's a new benefit. In terms of

1:47:381:47:45

increasing the time from 30 years to

50 years, there is positive benefits

1:47:451:47:49

to that will. Positives and

negatives, sorry, the negatives are

1:47:491:47:53

that it would increase the time the

anxiety is above students heads, it

1:47:531:47:57

makes it longer for them to repay,

but the positive is that the

1:47:571:48:02

repayments are smaller so when they

are on lower salaries, when they

1:48:021:48:05

just graduate, the monthly

repayments are more manageable, but

1:48:051:48:09

I do find it counter-intuitive that

you're going to be paying your

1:48:091:48:12

student loan out of your pension

pot.

1:48:121:48:16

Let's get more more reaction from

UCL You like the current system.

I

1:48:161:48:28

like the idea of it increasing to

50.

Over 50 years.

That makes sense

1:48:281:48:33

unless people are retiring at 50.

No

one retires at 50 let alone in

1:48:331:48:38

future years.

Yes. I see no reason

to scrap the interest. All that does

1:48:381:48:43

is decease the value of the loan.

Why are you suggesting scrapping the

1:48:431:48:48

interest?

40% to 50% of student

loans, the capital and the interest

1:48:481:48:54

will not be repaid by students and

therefore, the Government and the

1:48:541:48:58

taxpayer is going to have to pick up

the bill and the forecast is that by

1:48:581:49:02

the mid-2020s, the Government may

have to write off over £100 billion

1:49:021:49:06

of student loans when it becomes

clear how few repayments are made.

1:49:061:49:09

That's why.

Surely all they have to,

they will be writing off more money

1:49:091:49:15

by that system, right?

The current

system?

The amount of money paid is

1:49:151:49:22

still the same and the value of the

degree is the same, but you are not

1:49:221:49:25

getting the interest back.

Correct.

So essentially, the different deal

1:49:251:49:29

would be that the Government is

picking up the tab for the interest,

1:49:291:49:35

the student still has to repay the

capital, buff a longer period.

1:49:351:49:39

Instead of having to pay it at back

at 9%, it could be paid back at 7%

1:49:391:49:46

and inflation will erode the value

of the capital of the debt over that

1:49:461:49:49

longer period and make it easier and

therefore, it shouldn't affect

1:49:491:49:53

Kirsty's concern about pension pots

which is a valid concern.

Is the

1:49:531:49:57

Universities Minister listening?

We

hope that the government will take

1:49:571:49:59

on board the suggestions. They have

announced a review, we don't know

1:49:591:50:02

the detail of that review, but these

proposals are with the Government.

1:50:021:50:05

With we know they are looking at it

and we're hopeful they will take

1:50:051:50:10

serious consideration of them.

Thank

you. I'm sorry, it was brief. Thank

1:50:101:50:13

you for coming in. We appreciate it

and thank you to Kirsty too.

1:50:131:50:26

You have been painting a picture of

lack of support for autistic

1:50:271:50:32

children. The Local Government say

they have been put in an impossible

1:50:321:50:36

situation due to demand and historic

under funding. We're going to talk

1:50:361:50:40

to some of you who got in touch this

morning. Tony Hallett whose

1:50:401:50:45

four-year-old daughter is autistic

and also violent. Tony is in

1:50:451:50:48

Lancashire. Welcome Tony. Also with

us in Surrey is Josephine Larcher

1:50:481:50:54

whose daughter is violent and in

Cornwall, Michelle Hook who has

1:50:541:50:58

three autistic children, two of whom

can be violent. Thank you for

1:50:581:51:02

talking to us. We really appreciate

it. Tony, give us a little insight

1:51:021:51:09

into your daily life.

OK. So my

daughter is four. She has two

1:51:091:51:16

siblings who are younger than her.

She wants to try and hug them, but

1:51:161:51:21

she can be quite violent towards

them so it will be a hug around the

1:51:211:51:25

neck and choking them. When she is

aggravated, she can bite, drawing

1:51:251:51:33

blood and she can pinch, but they

have no ability to stop... The

1:51:331:51:42

pinches can turn into nasty bruises.

She is only four and I worry this is

1:51:421:51:48

going to increase, I worry it will

get worse.

Josephine, hello. You

1:51:481:51:53

have a six-year-old daughter who has

been lashing out, I think, since the

1:51:531:51:57

age of about three, is that right?

That's right, yes.

How tough is it?

1:51:571:52:01

It's very tough. I can echo a lot of

what Toni has just said the worry

1:52:011:52:09

for her younger sibling is huge. She

hits, kicks, head-butts on a regular

1:52:091:52:16

basis, myself, my husband and our

daughter. She has pushed her

1:52:161:52:22

two-year-old sister down the stairs

and she has gone to strangle her and

1:52:221:52:27

it is the unpredictability of her

behaviour. She might be kissing her

1:52:271:52:31

sister on the hand and the next

minute she is biting her.

Let me ask

1:52:311:52:35

you and a brief yes or no,

Josephine, have you had any help

1:52:351:52:40

from the NHS for example?

Very

little.

OK. Your county council,

1:52:401:52:48

Surrey County Council?

No. No, we

have gone through the people to get

1:52:481:52:55

the support at school and I asked

for a carer's assessment from social

1:52:551:52:59

services and they said they couldn't

provide that, but their job is

1:52:591:53:02

safeguarding children, even though

it's a safeguarding issue for my

1:53:021:53:05

youngest.

It really is.

They are not

interested in looking at that.

1:53:051:53:09

Michelle, hello, welcome, thank you

for talking to me. We really

1:53:091:53:12

appreciate it. You have three

children with autism aged 23, 15,

1:53:121:53:16

and 11.

Yes.

And two of them have

been extremely violent. What help

1:53:161:53:21

have you asked for and what help

have you received?

After my ribs

1:53:211:53:26

were cracked by my son, after just

asking him to get in the car, he

1:53:261:53:30

didn't want to sit-in the seat that

I asked him to get in, I asked for

1:53:301:53:36

help. I asked the social services to

help us. We have dealt with social

1:53:361:53:42

services in the past because we have

children with additional needs and

1:53:421:53:45

we have had to ask them for help

before.

And what was forthcoming?

1:53:451:53:51

Well, essentially I was told if I

couldn't cope then and I can't cope

1:53:511:53:55

now because of our family situation

that they would have to put our kids

1:53:551:53:58

in care.

Wow.

It terrifies me and I just

1:53:581:54:04

withdrew everything that I had asked

for and said I don't actually need

1:54:041:54:07

your help now.

Because you would

rather try and cope and keep the

1:54:071:54:12

family together obviously?

Absolutely. We just asked for some

1:54:121:54:16

help, not anything else.

Wow. I mean, Toni, what do you think

1:54:161:54:24

of Michelle's story?

It's horrific.

We had a similar experience with

1:54:241:54:29

social services. They said that

Daisy didn't require any more help

1:54:291:54:33

or care than a normal three-year-old

which is ridiculous. It wasn't until

1:54:331:54:37

we started privately funding A BA

ourselves that we saw an improvement

1:54:371:54:43

in Daisy's needs.

What is ABa, I

don't know?

It is applied behaviour

1:54:431:54:49

approach. It is similar to the

approach the lady was talking about

1:54:491:54:52

before. It modifies behaviours. It

was shown on a programme negatively

1:54:521:54:59

recently, but in England, we have

got some very good practises of it

1:54:591:55:03

with some great groups like Focus

Liverpool, that really, really help

1:55:031:55:09

those negative behaviours. It's

really helping Daisy to have a voice

1:55:091:55:13

and to stop herself injuring and

hugging her sister appropriately.

Do

1:55:131:55:17

you mind me asking how much that's

costing you?

£30,000 a year.

£30,000

1:55:171:55:21

a year?

Yes.

Wow. OK. That's very expensive and

1:55:211:55:30

prohibitive for many, many people

obviously.

We are applying for the

1:55:301:55:34

LEA to fund it within and we are

taking them to trial over that.

OK.

1:55:341:55:43

So Josephine, listening to all of

you, it is a constant battle, isn't

1:55:431:55:47

did, to get some kind of help?

It

is. I think it's so little under

1:55:471:55:54

understood the ed are there to

protect our children from adults,

1:55:541:55:57

they are not there to safeguard

against siblings and proltected

1:55:571:56:00

parents. It's just, because it's

outside of most people's

1:56:001:56:04

understanding, you know, most

parents cannot imagine their child

1:56:041:56:07

hurting them to that extent. I think

that's the problem with

1:56:071:56:11

professionals and this hasn't been

spoken about and therefore, it is

1:56:111:56:16

all undercover hopefully with the

work your programme has done today,

1:56:161:56:18

it will come out and it will start

the conversation and people will

1:56:181:56:22

begin to understand that there are

so many thousands of parents and

1:56:221:56:25

families suffering out there. They

are really struggling.

What are you

1:56:251:56:30

going to do Josephine?

Luckily my

little one is now three, my youngest

1:56:301:56:36

and she can stand up for herself

pretty well. I still have to be

1:56:361:56:41

vigilant. She gets a lot of support

at school because she is violent at

1:56:411:56:45

school as well towards other pupils

which is always fun in the

1:56:451:56:49

playground when you see other

parents. That is difficult because

1:56:491:56:52

the judgment is obviously oh, your

child is out of control. Your child

1:56:521:56:56

is ever so naughty. Whereas the

reality is, she just, her behaviour

1:56:561:57:02

is her call for help. It's not

right. I hate it. The idea that my

1:57:021:57:07

child is hurting other children. She

hurts my own child, my youngest one,

1:57:071:57:14

but that's very difficult for people

to understand.

Yeah. I'm going to

1:57:141:57:18

read some comments from other people

watching around the country if I

1:57:181:57:21

may. Kath tweeted, "Good reporting

about the severe side of autism

1:57:211:57:27

which is often so hidden." This E I

will matter doesn't leave their

1:57:271:57:33

name, but says, "I am a police

officer being directed to prosecute

1:57:331:57:39

a 18-year-old severely awe stack

male over threats he made when he

1:57:391:57:48

was attempting to burn himself his

college have suspended." Hayley

1:57:481:57:55

says, "My son is nine and in a

constant the state of anxiety having

1:57:551:57:58

been discharged by social services,

I get attacked daily. I'm a single

1:57:581:58:05

parent and I have had to fight for

help. We don't leave the house

1:58:051:58:09

unless absolutely necessary because

of the dangers involved with my

1:58:091:58:12

son." Michelle and Josephine and

Toni, thank you for coming on the

1:58:121:58:17

programme. Really nice to talk to

you. Thank you.

1:58:171:58:21

On the programme tomorrow,

we look at how people fleeing

1:58:211:58:24

domestic violence can struggle

to get housed by local authorities.

1:58:241:58:26

Thank you very much for your company

today. Back tomorrow at 9am. Have a

1:58:261:58:30

good day.

1:58:301:58:33

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