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Hello, it's Monday, it's 9am. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire,
welcome to the programme. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Our top story today -
Kevin Spacey apologises | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
after being accused
of making a sexual advance | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
toward a child actor. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
And sexual harassment
claims at Westminster spiral, | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
with reports of 36 MPs
being accused of misconduct. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:25 | |
So these young people,
especially as some of them, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
it might be their first job
in politics, they have been | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
desperate to get it and might have
applied amongst 400 people to get | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
the job, and they get the job,
and then they find this MP | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
has wandering hands and says
inappropriate things | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
and they feel slightly frightened
or threatened by them. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
Where do you go to
make that complaint? | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
Who do you speak to? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
At the moment it's not clear at all, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
and, of course,
no-one really has teeth. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
There is no body
that can slap the MP down | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
and say that behaviour in this place
is no longer acceptable. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
In around half an hour's time,
we'll hear from TV presenter | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
Anne Robinson, who says women really
should know better than to share | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
a cab or go to a hotel room
with someone they don't trust. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
Also on the programme -
an exclusive report looking at | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
the reality for some parents
of living with autistic children. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
It was really upsetting. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
It's horrible
because I love him so much. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
And yeah, I don't want people
to be scared of him, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
because he's, you know, his nature
is gentle and he doesn't... | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
he is not meaning
to be the way he is at all. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:31 | |
The National Autistic Society tell
us that parents are being let down | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
by lack of support - really keen to
hear your experiences this morning. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:42 | |
And the greatest of all time. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
Lewis Hamilton has become
Britain's most successful | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Formula One driver ever | 0:01:46 | 0:01:47 | |
and could still continue
to break records. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:53 | |
Hello, welcome to the programme,
we're live until 11 this morning. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
Do get in touch on all the stories
we're talking about this morning - | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
use #VictoriaLive. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:09 | |
If you text, you will be charged
at the standard network rate. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
Our top story today: | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
More stories of alleged abuse
and lewd conduct in Hollywood. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
This morning, the spotlight
is on the actor Kevin Spacey. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
He's accused of making a sexual
advance towards a child actor | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
more than 30 years ago. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
The claim has been made
by the Star Trek actor Anthony Rapp, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
who said Mr Spacey
had placed him on a bed | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
and climbed on top of him
when he was 14. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
Kevin Spacey has responded
on Twitter, saying he does not | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
remember the incident but,
if it had happened, it would have | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
been "deeply inappropriate"
and drunken behaviour. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
The House Of Cards actor also said
that he was now living as a gay man. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
But some in Hollywood
have criticised Mr Spacey | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
for what they say is using
his sexuality as an excuse | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
for his actions, as our
correspondent James Cook reports. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
Let's just set out first of all
what is alleged to have happened. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
Anthony Rapp spoke to Buzzfeed News
and set out what he said happened | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
back in 1986 when he was a child
actor on Broadway. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
He was 14 at the time, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:08 | |
and Kevin Spacey was also
acting on Broadway as well. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
He said he was invited
back to a party | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
by Kevin Spacey at his house. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
At the end of the night,
when everyone else had left, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
he said that he found himself alone
in the house, he was in the bedroom, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
Kevin Spacey came in and basically
climbed on top of him and | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
made a sexual advance towards him,
which he then rebuffed, essentially. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
Now, Kevin Spacey says, as you say, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:34 | |
that he does not remember
this incident. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
He says if, "I did
behave as he describes, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
I owe him the sincerest apology." | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
"This would have been deeply
inappropriate, drunken behaviour." | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
He also goes on to say that he knows | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
there are "other stories
out there about me". | 0:03:47 | 0:03:52 | |
Also in the statement,
he comes out as gay, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
he says he is living now
as a gay man. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
That has prompted, in terms
of the reaction, some considerable | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
criticism from people in Hollywood. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Is the | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
Various writers and producers,
on social media, saying | 0:04:05 | 0:04:06 | |
why is he trying to conflate
these two things? | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
That just because he's gay or has
decided now to come out as gay, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
what does that have to do with fact
that he might be alleged | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
as a predator of a young person - | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
essentially a paedophile
potentially? | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
He denies remembering anything
about this incident | 0:04:24 | 0:04:25 | |
and, of course, I am sure would deny
that he is a paedophile. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
But these allegations
are very serious. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:38 | |
Later we will be speaking to the
journalist who first broke the story | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
about Kevin Spacey. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:43 | |
Allegations of sexual harassment | 0:04:43 | 0:04:44 | |
are also making the headlines
at Westminster. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
The Leader of the House of Commons
has been asked to make an urgent | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
statement in the wake of a series
of allegations | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
of inappropriate behaviour by MPs. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:52 | |
Yesterday, Theresa May said
the reputation of Parliament | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
Let's get the latest on this
from Norman Smith, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
who's in our Westminster newsroom. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:57 | |
What is Theresa May going to do
about this? | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
Theresa May has come up with her own
proposals, but they have already | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
been criticised for not going far
enough. She is suggesting there | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
should be an independent mediation
service who the victims of sexual | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
harassment at Westminster can
complain to, but a lot of MPs are | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
saying, well, you know, that really
doesn't quite cut it, because that | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
would only cover people working for
MPs, and bad the most vulnerable | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
people at Westminster tend to be in
turns, people on work experience who | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
are not directly employed. -- in --
interns. They do not necessarily | 0:05:29 | 0:05:39 | |
have contact at Westminster and
would not be covered by this idea. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
There is also a question about the
powers this mediation service would | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
have, because a lot of MPs say it is
not enough for it to be dispute | 0:05:46 | 0:05:52 | |
resolution, it has to have
investigatory powers, be able to | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
launch and zoning choir is. That
would mean a very different sort of | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
staffing skill set, you would want
former detectives, it would take on | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
a quad judicial role. Basta be able
to launch its own inquiries. That in | 0:06:04 | 0:06:18 | |
the normal water like, if you are
found guilty of sexual misconduct at | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
work, you will be booted out. -- in
normal walks of life. But MPs are | 0:06:20 | 0:06:31 | |
not, in fact, employed by anyone,
how do you sack an MP? May be the | 0:06:31 | 0:06:42 | |
only sanction would be the shame of
going through a grievance procedure, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
and many people think that would not
be enough. There is talk of a | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
spreadsheet, a list of names of male
and female MPs accused of sexual | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
misconduct. Does it exist? Well,
there is, on Twitter, if you look | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
hard enough, a conversation which
has been redacted which contains a | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
whole list of allegations from
predominantly, it seems, young | 0:07:04 | 0:07:10 | |
researchers, Parliamentary aides,
listing MPs to avoid in a taxi, MPs | 0:07:10 | 0:07:18 | |
not to go for dinner with, don't go
to parties with, all that sort of | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
thing. I mean, there are a huge
number of allegations out there. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
Most of them, it has to be said at
the moment, and substantiated, and | 0:07:27 | 0:07:33 | |
that is one of the difficulties in
this whole area, these allegations | 0:07:33 | 0:07:40 | |
generally sent on two people without
witnesses, which makes it much | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
harder to investigate and prosecute.
Plenty more to come on that through | 0:07:44 | 0:07:51 | |
the programme Annita McVeigh or has
the rest of the days news. | 0:07:51 | 0:08:03 | |
The parents of autistic children
are not being properly supported | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
in dealing with violent behaviour,
according to a charity. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
This programme has spoken
to families who say they're not | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
getting enough help from local
authorities while they | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
face violent outbursts
from their children, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:13 | |
including kicking and head-butting. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
The National Autistic Society says
that a special educational needs | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
system needs to be put in place
to provide the support needed | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
to de-escalate violent behaviour. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
An influential economic think-tank
says the Chancellor is caught | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
between a rock and a hard place
as he prepares his | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
forthcoming Budget. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:27 | |
The Institute for Fiscal Studies
says Philip Hammond will have | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
to abandon his target
for getting rid of the deficit, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
if he is to meet demands
from Cabinet colleagues | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
to increase spending. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
The Treasury has responded by saying
it would continue to adopt what it | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
called a balanced approach. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:48 | |
A leading cancer charity
has appointed | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
what it calls a digital nurse
to combat so-called fake | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
news about the disease. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
Macmillan Cancer Support says
the internet is full of unverified | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
statistics and bogus treatment
suggestions which mislead often | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
frightened patients. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
It says it wants to provide
clear advice online | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
about diagnosis and treatment. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:07 | |
Scrapping interest on student loans
and extending the time limit | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
on paying it back could
help to avoid a future debt crisis, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
according to a centre-right
think tank. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:16 | |
UK 2020 says such action
would drastically reduce | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
the number of loans
which have to be written off. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
The Government says it's committed
to sustainable university funding | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
and will set out further steps
in due course. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:34 | |
The first charges into alleged
Russian interference in the US | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
presidential election are expected
to be announced later today. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
President Trump has denounced the
inquiry as a witchhunt and again | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
denied any collusion with Russia.
Former director of the FBI Robert | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Mueller has been looking into
possible links between the Trump | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
campaign and Moscow since the
president took office in January. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
The Spanish government has today
began running Catalonia's | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
institutions at the region's deposed
leader called for peaceful | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
resistance to the imposition of
direct rule. He has been threatened | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
with imprisonment at the leading a
declaration of independence. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
Attention is focused on the
headquarters of the Catalan | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
government this morning to see if he
turns up for work. Storms sweeping | 0:10:17 | 0:10:23 | |
through northern Europe have left at
least six people dead in Germany, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
Poland and the Czech Republic. Four
victims in Poland and the Czech | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
Republic were killed by falling
trees. In Germany, Hamburg has been | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
flooded and thousands of homes are
without power. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
Saudi Arabia says it will allow
women to attend sporting events | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
for the first time, but only
in three selected stadiums. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
The Saudi government says
the stadiums are being prepared | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
to accommodate families
by early next year. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
Last month, Saudi Arabia
overturned its longstanding law | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
against women driving
from June next year. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:57 | |
Police are hunting for a lynx | 0:10:57 | 0:10:58 | |
which has escaped
from an animal park in Wales. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
The animal, a Eurasian lynx,
which is twice the size | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
of a domestic cat, escaped
from Borth Wild Animal Kingdom, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:08 | |
near Aberystwyth five days ago. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
It can travel up
to 12 miles per day. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
That's a summary of the latest
BBC News, more at 9:30. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:20 | |
Thank you very much, we are going to
bring you a film in the next few | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
minutes featuring families with
autistic children, and the | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
difficulties that mums and dads to
experiencing because some of the | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
children can be violent. Pamela says
on Facebook, I was told by | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
professionals that there was no
proof my son was hitting me, so I | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
photographed my bruises and sent
them to every professional involved | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
with my son - not a single answer
from any of them. As an adopted mum, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
trying to bring up a child with
complex health needs, it is | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
disgusting how I am treated as an
inadequate mum and spoken to. We are | 0:11:52 | 0:12:02 | |
on a never-ending waiting list and
all services seem to be geared up to | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
adults domestic abuse and not to
child two-parent violence, so we | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
don't come under their remit. My son
is a Matt Slater two, he is people | 0:12:07 | 0:12:13 | |
are scared of him. -- my son has a
mental age of two. Mark says that | 0:12:13 | 0:12:23 | |
people need the proper support of
local authorities, publicity is | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
needed. To get into -- do get in
touch, your experiences are | 0:12:26 | 0:12:35 | |
absolutely pertinent to this. Only
one story in sport, Lewis Hamilton | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
claiming a fourth world title in
Mexico, John Watson is in Brackley, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
not Mexico, he is at the Mercedes
headquarters. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:51 | |
Good morning, Victoria, yes, sadly,
not Mexico, Brackley, but the best | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
place if you can't get all the way
out to Mexico, and in Venice at | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
Mercedes HQ, well, look at this,
this is what success looks like, all | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
of the trophies that have been won
by Mercedes this season. -- and in | 0:13:03 | 0:13:12 | |
fairness. Four world titles, and it
started many years ago Paul Lewis | 0:13:12 | 0:13:17 | |
Hamilton, after his success in
karting, the relationship with his | 0:13:17 | 0:13:24 | |
dad, who masterminded his success in
karting, a freshfaced young | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
Hamilton, paving the way to join
McLaren, and then Mercedes, where he | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
has no-one his fourth world title.
He won is first in 2008. But it was | 0:13:33 | 0:13:40 | |
not straight forward last night,
Hamilton suffered a collision with | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
Sebastian Vettel on the opening lap,
which forced him to pick up a | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
puncture. He was way down the field,
but he only needed to finish 50 | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
secure the title. In fairness, he
managed to finish in ninth, so | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
Sebastian Vettel needed to finish
second or higher, and he couldn't | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
did that last night. So Lewis
Hamilton is four time champion, four | 0:14:00 | 0:14:07 | |
world titles, he stands alone, as
far as British drivers go, and I am | 0:14:07 | 0:14:13 | |
joined by Geoff Willis, one of the
Jeep -- one of the chief engineers, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:21 | |
keeping a spot warm here. Yes, the
constructors and drivers trophy, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
again winning both championships,
that is what we planned to do two | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
years ago, we wanted to win both in
2016 and 2017, after the big rule | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
change, and we have finally done it,
it has been tough. And you know what | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
it is like to stand on the podium,
you managed to be awarded one of | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
these yourself. I was very
privileged to receive a constructors | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
trophy at Monza back in 2015, a
fantastic experience, for once in my | 0:14:48 | 0:14:54 | |
life on the podium, so what it is
like for lose all those times I | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
don't know, but it must be
fantastic. Amazing for you and the | 0:14:57 | 0:15:03 | |
team, these are the days you live
for in this board. Absolutely, it is | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
a tough business, it is a beautiful | 0:15:07 | 0:15:15 | |
for in this board. Absolutely, it is
a tough business, it is a beautiful, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:16 | |
and now we want to go and do it
again. It gets harder every year, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
but that is what we are here for.
What is it about Lewis Hamilton that | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
has paved the way for his success?
What is it about him and the work he | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
has done on the track? Lewis is
clearly an exceptional driver, right | 0:15:30 | 0:15:36 | |
up in the pantheon of grapes. I
think is real skill is about the | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
sensitivity with the car. -- the
pantheon of greats. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:59 | |
Lewis has a magicical ability to
feel what the tyres are doing. He | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
saves the tyres and you can see that
in qualifying where he can prepare | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
the car perfectly for that one lap.
It's really, really impressive and | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
Lewis himself has been in a
fantastic position this year. He is | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
at the top of his game and he has
brought the team with him. We wait | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
for the trophy cabinets to be filled
when Lewis Hamilton returns to the | 0:16:20 | 0:16:27 | |
factory. There is a certain record
that he is chasing down, Michael | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
Schumacher who has seven and with
the success and the cars that | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
Mercedes are producing, you wouldn't
bet against Lewis Hamilton matching | 0:16:35 | 0:16:41 | |
that down the line. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
On the programme this morning,
strangled, head-butted, kicked, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:51 | |
the violence faced by some parents
attacked by their own autistic | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
children and teenagers. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
The National Autistic Society tells
this programme that parents are not | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
being properly supported
by their local authorities, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:01 | |
leaving families and their
children in dire need. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
And it's not just parents who are at
risk from violent autistic children, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
so are their other siblings. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
Our reporter Noel Philips has
this exclusive report. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:17 | |
There are families up and down
the country struggling to cope | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
with their violent autistic
children. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
Cam, shall I go and get
your chocolate biscuits? | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
Stop that noise! | 0:17:23 | 0:17:24 | |
Are they in your room? | 0:17:24 | 0:17:25 | |
Stop that noise! | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
Autism is often a hidden disability,
which affects around 120,000 | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
young people in England. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:36 | |
I'm scared of him, because you live
on a knife edge because you don't | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
know what's coming next,
and that level of sort | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
of heightened adrenaline... | 0:17:42 | 0:17:43 | |
Definitely experienced split
lips, bruising all over. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
We go inside the homes of two
families struggling to cope | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
with their disabled children,
for a glimpse of what life is like | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
and the challenges they face. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
Very rarely the day goes
by where either myself, my wife, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
or one of our children isn't hurt
in some way by Elliot, our son. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
OK, Cam! | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
And rarely do we see or hear
from parents about the realities | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
of life for them and their children,
but these families have invited us | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
into their homes in the hope
of raising awareness about a lack | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
of help and support. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:24 | |
Excuse me, Mum.
...that he is, he's obviously... | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
Excuse me, Mum! | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
Excuse me!
...very hard to deal with. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
Campaigners say some local
authorities are failing to provide | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
services that meet the needs
of families and their children. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
The system is not working
at the moment for all autistic | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
children, and that's an issue. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:45 | |
It's terrifying, really, sometimes,
because if it comes out of nowhere, | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
there's always that bit of you that
can't quite believe it's actually | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
happening, so it's just a case
of desperately trying to extricate | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
yourself from that situation that
you're in, which is easier said | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
than done, particularly if he's
got me by the neck, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
which he often does. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
Every day is a challenge
for Ian and Lucy. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
Their eldest son, Elliott,
has severe autism and | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
learning difficulties. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
Social interaction and communicating
is difficult, and they say | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
dealing with his condition,
which requires constant care, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
is pushing them to breaking point. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:40 | |
He's the size of a very large,
very strong 12-year-old, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
and that's the difference. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
If it was a toddler having a huge
tantrum and flailing around and, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
you know, scratching you and kicking
you, you can manage it better simply | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
because they're so much smaller. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
Whereas, if you think
of when Elliott does it, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
it's basically like a small man
suddenly attacking you. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:12 | |
Not everyone with autism
is violent, though. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
A US study of nearly 1400 children
on the autistic spectrum found more | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
than half were aggressive or violent
towards their families. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:32 | |
Elliott is 12 and has
the strength of an adult, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
but thinks like a two-year old. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
His parents say a lack of specialist
help from their local council has | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
caused his behaviour to become
increasingly difficult to deal with. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:45 | |
We've been living with Elliott
being violent and aggressive most | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
of his life, you know. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
Probably first started
encountering things like that | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
when he was about five or six or so,
we probably started. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
And the difficulty has been,
as he's got older and as he's got | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
bigger and he's got stronger,
he's still only violent maybe 5% | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
of the time but the consequences
of that violence are getting | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
worse and worse. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
And whilst he's only 12 years old,
he's the size of a 15-year-old. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
It's the law of averages
that one day one of us | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
is going to get really badly hurt. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
These scars are just a glimpse
of what Ian and Lucy have had | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
to endure when Elliott has
a violent episode. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:30 | |
Definitely experienced split
lips, bruising all over. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
Ian's had a scratched
cornea from a punch. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
He's knocked me down the stairs
before and I've just managed to hang | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
on to the banister rail so that I've
not gone the whole way down | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
the stairs, but there's a severe
injury waiting to happen, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
we know that, and the problem
is that the help available to you is | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
reactive rather than proactive. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
You have to get to absolute
crisis point when one | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
of you is hospitalised or you've had
to call the police out. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
This is why Ian and
Lucy have spoken out. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
They say they are living
in an almost permanent state | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
of worry, so much so they've had
to take measures to protect not | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
just Elliott but also
their other children. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
So this is Elliott's room,
and you can see it's not like a room | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
that most 12-year-olds would have,
that we've made quite | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
a few adjustments -
the most obvious are the bars | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
that we have to have
across the windows. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
You kind of get used to that,
you know, your child's bedroom looks | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
more like a cell of some kind,
and it's only when you stop | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
and step back and really
reflect on it and you go, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
"What a symbol of just how
different our life is." | 0:22:35 | 0:22:41 | |
Most people do not have
to set their child's bedroom up | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
with locks on the doors and bars
across the window, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
but there are times when,
in order to keep Elliott safe | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
and in order to keep
the rest of the family said, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
that's what we have to set up. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
Now, this family's
story is not a one-off. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
We've been speaking to many
parents across the country | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
and they repeatedly tell us
that there is simply not | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
enough support available
for their children, some | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
of whom are also very violent. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
19-year-old Cameron is one
of 700,000 people in the UK | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
on the autism spectrum. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
He was diagnosed with the condition
at the age of three. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
I'm going to go and do your telly. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
I'm just talking to Noel. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:37 | |
HE SCREAMS. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:38 | |
Move, please! | 0:23:38 | 0:23:39 | |
Cam, stop. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
It scares me. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
It can be quite dangerous for
you being on your own with Cameron? | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Well, yeah.
Go up! | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
If you weren't here,
obviously I would just go and do it, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
and if the girls were here
I would do it, because... | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
Go up, go up, go up! | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
...to stop this,
because it's not nice for | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
the girls to see and it
will probably escalate into more. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
Cam, stop. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
Go up, please.
I will. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:04 | |
Go up now.
OK. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:05 | |
Don't speak to them.
Stop. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:06 | |
Don't speak to them. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
OK.
Go on, Mum. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
As you can see, he's
edging towards me. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
Hannah and Doug have
devoted their lives | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
to caring for Cameron,
but, due to his condition, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
his needs have become
increasingly challenging, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
and his anxiety and stress
can sometimes lead to | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
full-scale tantrums. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
It's really upsetting. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
This is horrible. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
Because I love him so much... | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
And, yeah, I don't want people
to be scared of him, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
because he's, you know,
his nature is gentle, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:42 | |
he's not meaning to be
the way he is at all. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:48 | |
I feel sorry for him,
because he's frustrated, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
and he can't tell me why or tell
other people why, so it's horrible. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:56 | |
It is, it's sad, really sad. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
How much longer do you think
you can continue to cope | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
with Cameron's behaviour? | 0:25:02 | 0:25:03 | |
We'll do it for as long as we have
do, but it's going to become... | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
Well, it already is unmanageable
sometimes, but, I don't know, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
because I don't know how he'll
become as he turns, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
as he gets into his early 20s. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:19 | |
It could become worse,
but really we need to be, well, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
we are thinking about him... | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
living elsewhere, because we can't
manage his behaviour, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:34 | |
because it is unpredictable and,
you know, physically, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
I can't manage him by myself. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:44 | |
I mean, as you can see,
he's tall, facial hair. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
He's like a man, but he's
like a baby, really. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
OK, Cam.
Not doing that again! | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
He doesn't have the
understanding, he doesn't | 0:25:54 | 0:25:55 | |
understand why you guys are here,
and also it's out of his routine, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
isn't it? | 0:25:58 | 0:25:59 | |
Excuse me! | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
Yes, Cam? | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
Who's that?
Noel. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
Almost anything can trigger
an outburst from Cameron. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
Surrey Council, who are responsible
for his care, have told us | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
they are working hard
with his family to provide | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
additional respite and they support. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
I don't want him to go anywhere that
I'm not happy about, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
so I don't know how
long that will take. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
But if he carries on... | 0:26:25 | 0:26:26 | |
Excuse me, Mum! | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
...in the way that he is,
he's obviously... | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
Excuse me, excuse me! | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
Eye | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
...very hard to deal with,
it's going to be really difficult. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
Excuse me!
Stop. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Excuse me!
Yes, Cam? | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
No. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
It's important to get
the point across that... | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
I can't see you! | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
...this is not Cameron being unruly,
this is his condition, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
this is what it does to him,
this is autism. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
Oh, absolutely, yes, this is autism. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
Sometimes it seems like there's no
light at the end of the tunnel | 0:26:56 | 0:27:01 | |
with regards to the support
and direction of where we're | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
going to go, because we don't,
it's hard for us when we don't know | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
how Cameron's going to be,
we don't know how the children | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
are going to be, we don't know... | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
Planning for the future,
planning for what's going to | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
happen has just been... | 0:27:15 | 0:27:16 | |
I mean, the last six years, seven
years, just no direction at all. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:26 | |
This woman, who we are calling Sam,
knows just how Hannah and Doug feel. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
He hit me over the head
with a plastic object, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
and I had to have my head glued,
and I thought at that point | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
it would be a turning
point, but it wasn't. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
I thought I'd get help,
but it didn't really happen. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
We've agreed not to identify her
in order to protect her teenage son, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
who is now in the care
of social services. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
First I got a bit of help,
but then it went monthly, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
then it was, "Right,
OK, we'll wash our hands of you, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
you can have 48 hours a year
respite from a charity." | 0:28:00 | 0:28:06 | |
And 48 hours a year doesn't
add up to much, does it? | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
Her son was taken into care
following a violent incident | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
in the family home in 2011. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
Documents we've seen appear to back
up her claims that she had asked | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
for help on a number of occasions. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
This letter from her GP
to Children's Services reads, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
"Family struggling to cope
with child's behaviour." | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
He goes on to say,
"Mother desperate for help." | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
I have cried and cried for help. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:32 | |
I was absolutely exhausted. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:33 | |
But, more so, my family was failed,
you know, my children, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
my other children didn't get
attention, or I tried | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
to give them attention,
but there's a limit to what you can | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
do, and my son was certainly failed. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
Absolutely. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
So why are parents like Sam
and other families not | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
getting the crucial support
and services they need? | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
I've come to the National Autistic
Society, which helps thousands | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
of people with autism
across the country. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
If children are not
having their needs met, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
then they are being failed,
and we have to try and work | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
to change that system. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
We need a special educational
needs and disability | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
system that identifies all the needs
of autistic children that are out | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
there and then puts in place
the support and the services | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
to allow them to live
the life that they and their | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
families want to live. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
In a recent report, the charity
found families of autistic people | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
in inpatient and residential care
being failed due to | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
a lack of trained staff. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
We interviewed 13 families who had
experiences of having relatives | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
who were in inpatient care
across both children, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
young people and adults,
and basically we've incorporated | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
what we found from them
and the lessons that could be | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
learned from that in this report. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
And what it's really painted
is a really stark picture | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
of the fact that the system just
isn't working at the moment. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:57 | |
Cameron has recently started
at a specialist day centre, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
but mum Hannah tells me she's
worried about the future. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:17 | |
I do feel guilty all the time -
I feel guilty to Cameron, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
I feel guilty to my daughters. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
Yeah, I do sometimes feel like I'm
not equipped for all of it. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
But I don't really have
a choice, I have to do it. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
But, yeah, guilt plays
a massive part of every day, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
coping with, you know,
a child with disabilities, I think. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:48 | |
For Ian and Lucy,
they are determined not to give up. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
I've returned to find out how
they are coping with Elliot. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
We've definitely had moments when,
you know, we've gone to bed sobbing | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
and just despairing at,
you know, how is this our life? | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
But you can't wallow in it too long
because you've got exactly | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
the same life the next day,
and you've got to be up | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
and you've got to be... | 0:31:11 | 0:31:12 | |
And it's difficult, because there's
no blame you can attach to Elliott, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
there's nothing fundamentally
different you can do, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
so you're just carrying on
and hoping to try | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
and learn the lessons from whatever
precipitated that particular bout | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
of aggression to try and reduce it
or avoid it next time. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:31 | |
The Autism Act,
which was introduced in 2009, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
is currently being reviewed
by politicians. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:38 | |
But laws on their own only form
a part of the solution. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
As for Cameron and Elliott, their
parents are their real lifeline. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
They may face abuse daily, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
but they don't want their children
to be misunderstood. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
All they're asking for
is more support. | 0:31:51 | 0:32:00 | |
Thank you for your messages, this
text says, I am grateful for your | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
report about autistic children, I
can confirm all these experiences, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
my son is a gentle and sensitive
soul, which makes it even more | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
difficult when he has violent
outbursts. No support from | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
professionals, you look that as an
inadequate parent. This text, my | 0:32:18 | 0:32:24 | |
severely learning-disabled autistic
daughter is being failed by my local | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
authority. She cannot speak, she has
no self-care skills, and no | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
awareness of the wider world. We
have been fighting for support for | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
three years. In March, I tried to
take my whole life because I | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
couldn't cope with my daughter. I
was provided with two weeks' | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
additional support, and now we are
back in the same boat. I need to put | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
my daughter in care so she can have
her needs met. That is going to cost | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
the local authority £300,000 a year.
It would be far cheaper just to | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
provide the behavioural support
instead. And on Facebook, Stephen | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
says, I have two sons with autism,
kids with autism are like a light | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
switch, one minute so lovable, then
they can attack you. They don't mean | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
to hurt you, though, it is not their
fault. We are going to talk more | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
about this after ten o'clock. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
NHS England told us it has set out
a clear programme for those | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
with learning difficulties
and autism to enable more people | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
to live in the community. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:28 | |
And the Local Government Association
told us, "Councils are working hard | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
to make sure children with autism
and other special needs get access | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
to the support they need." | 0:33:34 | 0:33:35 | |
"However, they have been put
in an impossible situation | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
due to increasing demand
and historic underfunding." | 0:33:37 | 0:33:47 | |
Still to come - | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
We will talk to the broadcaster and
journalist Ann Robinson, who says | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
women should know better than to go
to a hotel with somebody they don't | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
trust. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:00 | |
An exclusive report
into the university student | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
from Bristol on trial after police
found a copy of the terrorism manual | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
The Anarchist Cookbook
underneath his bed. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
He has now been cleared, and we
followed him through the trial. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:14 | |
Time for the latest news,
here's Annita McVeigh. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:19 | |
The Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey
has been accused of making | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
a sexual advance towards a
child actor more than 30 years ago. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
The Star Trek actor Anthony Rapp
said Mr Spacey had placed him | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
on a bed and climbed on
top of him when he was 14. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
Kevin Spacey has responded
on Twitter, saying he does not | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
remember the incident but if it had
happened, it would have | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
been deeply inappropriate
and drunken behaviour. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:45 | |
The Leader of the House of Commons | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
is being asked to make
an urgent statement, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
amid allegations of
widespread | 0:34:49 | 0:34:50 | |
inappropriate sexual
behaviour in Westminster. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
Yesterday the Prime Minister
proposed a new system for dealing | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
with claims of harassment,
saying the reputation of Parliament | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
had to be protected. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
Unverified lists
of MPs accused of misconduct | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
are reportedly circulating
in Westminster. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:07 | |
The parents of autistic children
are not being properly supported | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
in dealing with violent behaviour,
according to a charity. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
This programme has spoken
to families who say they're not | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
getting enough help
from local authorities, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
while they face violent outbursts
from their children, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
including kicking and headbutting. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
The National Autistic Society says
that a special educational needs | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
system needs to be put in place
to provide the support needed | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
to de-escalate violent behaviour. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
An influential economic think-tank
says the Chancellor | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
is caught between a rock
and a hard place | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
as he prepares
his forthcoming Budget. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:37 | |
The Institute for Fiscal Studies
says Philip Hammond | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
will have to abandon his target
for getting rid of the deficit | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
if he is to meet demands
from Cabinet colleagues | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
to increase spending. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
The Treasury has responded by saying
it would continue to adopt what | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
it called a balanced approach. | 0:35:52 | 0:36:00 | |
That is a summary of the latest BBC
News. All the sports now with John | 0:36:00 | 0:36:05 | |
Watson, who is at Mercedes HQ in
Brackley. Yes, a warm comeback to | 0:36:05 | 0:36:13 | |
Mercedes HQ, this is last season's
car, a successful night for Lewis | 0:36:13 | 0:36:19 | |
Hamilton, becoming the most
successful British driver in Formula | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
One history, he now holds four world
titles after picking it up at the | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
Mexico Grand Prix. He could only
finish ninth following a collision | 0:36:25 | 0:36:31 | |
with Sebastian Vettel on the first
lap, but that was enough to see him | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
win the title with two racers
despair. -- two races to spare. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:48 | |
Claude Puell's first game in charge
of Leicester City saw | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
them beat Everton at home. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:51 | |
Jamie Vardy scored their
first in a 2-0 win. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
Everton remain in
the relagation zone. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:55 | |
Elsewhere in the Prmier
League, Brighton against | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
Southampton was 1-1. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:58 | |
Caroline Wozniacki has won | 0:36:58 | 0:36:59 | |
the biggest tournament
of her career. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:00 | |
The Dane beat Venus Williams
to claim the WTA Finals | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
trophy in Singapore. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
Welshman Elfyn Evans won
the season-ending Wales Rally GB, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
the first British winner
of the event in 17 years. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
He is a local lad with plenty of
local knowledge, which perhaps | 0:37:13 | 0:37:18 | |
helped him without success. He is
the first British winner since Burns | 0:37:18 | 0:37:23 | |
in 2000. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:24 | |
But Frenchman Sebastien Ogier
came third to claim his fifth | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
consecutive World Championship. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
Lots of people winning world titles
at the moment, Victoria, not least | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
Lewis Hamilton, a lot of people
wondering whether he can emulate the | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
achievements of Michael Schumacher,
who has the record of seven world | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
titles. The cars that Mercedes are
producing and the talents that Lewis | 0:37:40 | 0:37:45 | |
Hamilton has, you would not bet
against him doing it in the years to | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
come.
Absolutely not! We will talk to some | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
of his fans before ten o'clock. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:58 | |
Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey has
made an apology after being accused | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
of making a sexual advance
toward a child actor. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
Anthony Rapp, who was 14
at the time, says Spacey invited him | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
to a party and seemed drunk
when the alleged incident happened. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
Adan Vary is the journalist at
Buzzfeed News who broke the story. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
Anthony Rapp is alleging that when
he was 14 in 1986, he was prevented | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
by Kevin Spacey, who was performing
on Broadway, as was Anthony. He was | 0:38:19 | 0:38:25 | |
invited to a party at Kevin Spacey's
house late at night, he went, he was | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
very used to being in the company of
adults as a child actor, so he | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
didn't think there was anything out
of the ordinary. Even when he | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
arrived at the party and realised he
was the only non-adults there come | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
he didn't think it unusual, but he
got bored, he said, pretty quickly, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:47 | |
ended up in the bedroom watching
late-night TV. And then at some | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
point, he says that he realised that
everyone else had left, and he was | 0:38:52 | 0:38:57 | |
alone with Kevin Spacey. Kevin
Spacey appeared at the bedroom door | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
and what Anthony Rapp says there was
a clumsy motion, Spacey stepped into | 0:39:01 | 0:39:08 | |
the bedroom, picked him up like a
bride would pick up a groom, placed | 0:39:08 | 0:39:14 | |
him on the bed, basically landed on
top of him, at which point Anthony | 0:39:14 | 0:39:21 | |
says that he felt Spacey pressing
into his body, and then Anthony was | 0:39:21 | 0:39:27 | |
able to squirm away and says that he
stepped into the bathroom very | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
quickly to just sort of composing
self, and then once he was composed, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
he stepped out, told Kevin Spacey he
was going to be leaving, and the | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
Spacey followed him to the front
door and ask them, are you sure you | 0:39:40 | 0:39:47 | |
want to leave? According to Anthony.
And then he said, yes, and he left. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
And that is the last time that
Anthony Rapp ever spoke to Kevin | 0:39:51 | 0:39:57 | |
Spacey. He has never spoken with him
since, although he has seen him a | 0:39:57 | 0:40:02 | |
few times in his life, but they have
never spoken. Just to confirm, at | 0:40:02 | 0:40:09 | |
the point of this alleged incident,
Anthony Rapp was 14, and Kevin | 0:40:09 | 0:40:15 | |
Spacey was 26. According to public
records, Kevin Spacey was 26, yeah. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:21 | |
So why has Anthony Rapp decided to
speak out now? He was really moved | 0:40:21 | 0:40:27 | |
by the sheer number of women who
were coming forward and sharing | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
allegations of sexual harassment and
assault by Harvey Weinstein. It has | 0:40:32 | 0:40:39 | |
really become a turning point
moment, both in the entertainment | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
industry and in society at large,
about how we talk about sexual | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
harassment and sexual misconduct,
and how we treat victims. And | 0:40:47 | 0:40:53 | |
Anthony felt very much, as he says,
awake to that moment and felt that | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
this was the right time for him to
come forward and tell his story. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
Kevin Spacey has given a statement
in response to this allegation, and | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
I know you are going to read that
for us, Adam. Yes, before I do, I | 0:41:05 | 0:41:11 | |
want to stress that BuzzFeed News
reached out to Kevin Spacey's | 0:41:11 | 0:41:17 | |
representatives multiple times and
send a detailed letter with all the | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
allegations in our storage and heard
nothing from his representation | 0:41:19 | 0:41:26 | |
until Kevin Spacey tweeted this
statement out. And the statement is: | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
I have a lot of respect and
admiration for Anthony Rapp as an | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
actor, I am beyond horrified to hear
his story. I honestly do not member | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
the encounter, it would have been
over 30 years ago. But divided | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
behaviour then as he describes, I
owe him the sincerest apology for | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
what would have been deeply
inappropriate drunken behaviour, and | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
I am sorry for the feelings he
describes having carried with him | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
all of these years. This story has
encouraged me to address the other | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
things about my life. I know that
there are stories at there about me | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
that some have been fuelled by,
sorry, and that some have been | 0:42:02 | 0:42:07 | |
fuelled by the fact that I have been
so protective of my privacy. As | 0:42:07 | 0:42:12 | |
those closest to me know, in my life
I have had romantic relationships | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
with both men and women, excuse me,
and I have loved and had romantic | 0:42:16 | 0:42:22 | |
encounters with men throughout my
life. And I choose now to live as a | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
gay man. I want to deal with this
honestly and openly, and that start | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
with examining my own behaviour. And
how has that statement been greeted? | 0:42:30 | 0:42:37 | |
Not well. I think the idea that he
is using the allegation that he made | 0:42:37 | 0:42:45 | |
a sexual advance on a 14-year-old
boy as an opportunity to come out is | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
striking many as sort of missing the
point, and he in no way at knowledge | 0:42:49 | 0:42:58 | |
is Anthony's age at the time in a
statement, speaking to what he wants | 0:42:58 | 0:43:05 | |
our reach to be, which is that he is
now coming out as a gay man. I think | 0:43:05 | 0:43:10 | |
you can see a lot of headlines, in
fact, focusing on that part of the | 0:43:10 | 0:43:16 | |
story and missing entirely the
allegations against him. That was | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
Adam Vary, the journalist that
BuzzFeed News who broke the Kevin | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
Spacey story. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
Of course, sexual harassment
is a serious problem in all walks | 0:43:26 | 0:43:31 | |
of life, with over 50% of women
saying they've been affected by it. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
This morning the spotlight has
turned on politics with claims | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
that lists of 36 MPs accused
of misconduct | 0:43:37 | 0:43:38 | |
are circulating in Westminster. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:39 | |
Theresa May is proposing
a new system for dealing | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
with claims of harassment, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:43 | |
saying the reputation of Parliament
had to be protected. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
Over the weekend it was revealed
that a government minister, | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
Mark Garnier, sent a junior member
of staff to buy vibrators for him | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
and used sexually offensive terms
to describe her breasts. | 0:43:51 | 0:44:00 | |
And a former government minister,
Stephen Crabb, was accusing | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
of sending sexually explicit texts
to a 19-year-old | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
who applied for a job in his office. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
All these revelations have come
to light since allegations | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
against Harvey Weinstein were
exposed just over three weeks ago. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
So last week the New York Times
published this massive article | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
detailing allegations of about three
decades' worth of accusations | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
of sexual harassment from Harvey
Weinstein against female employees. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:26 | |
After about 30 minutes,
he asked to excuse himself | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
and go to the bathroom. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
He returned in nothing
but a robe with the front open | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
and he was buck naked. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
The actresses Angelina Jolie
and Gwyneth Paltrow have joined | 0:44:42 | 0:44:47 | |
the growing number of women
who have claimed they were | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
sexually harassed by him. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:51 | |
He said that he wanted a massage,
could I give him a massage? | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
I said no. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:55 | |
Together, the claims build up
a picture of one of the most | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
powerful men in the industry
exerting pressure on younger women | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
at the start of their careers,
often in hotel rooms or offices. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
The suggestions, spoken or unspoken,
were that he could advance | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
their careers if they went along
with him, or he could do serious | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
damage to the dreams if they didn't. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
I didn't know about these things,
but they don't surprise me | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
at all, and they are endemic
to the system anyway. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:19 | |
Lots of these women
were in their 20s when it happened, | 0:45:19 | 0:45:29 | |
vulnerable, afraid that if they say
anything or do anything that it | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
will ruin their career. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:33 | |
I was shocked and appalled,
because I've known him | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
through politics, as many
Democrats have. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
Police investigations into sexual
assault and rape politicians | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
against Hollywood producer
Harvey Weinstein | 0:45:39 | 0:45:40 | |
continue this morning. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:41 | |
Over 30 women, including
Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
and Rose McGowan have made a number
of allegations against her. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
Members of the European Parliament
have been debating sexual | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
harassment in the wake
of the Harvey Weinstein scandal. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
Some MEPs complained they themselves
have experienced harassment. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
Some lawmakers sat behind placards
with the hashtag #MeToo. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
Downing Street has said any
allegations of sexual harassment | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
and abuse at Westminster
are deeply concerning. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
Allegations made will be
taken very seriously. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
These stories, if they are true,
are obviously totally unacceptable. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:18 | |
Jeremy Corbyn has called for MPs
who are guilty of sexual harassment | 0:46:18 | 0:46:24 | |
or abuse to be held to account. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
The Labour leader warned that
a warped and degrading culture | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
was thriving in Westminster. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:30 | |
Complaints of inappropriate
behaviour and sexual harassment | 0:46:30 | 0:46:31 | |
by MPs have now led to a government
minister being placed | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
under investigation. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:35 | |
There is recognition that a change
in culture is needed. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
It was worse. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:38 | |
It's a little bit better now,
but there's a long way to go. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
Cat Smith is a Labour MP
and at just 32, is a member | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
of the Shadow Cabinet. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:50 | |
Have you experienced sexual
harassment? Not in Westminster, but | 0:46:50 | 0:46:55 | |
I have experienced sexual harassment
in politics. It was quite a long | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
time ago now, but when I was active
campaigning for the Labour Party in | 0:46:58 | 0:47:04 | |
an area, there was a senior person
from the Labour group on the | 0:47:04 | 0:47:09 | |
council, who had a bit of a
reputation and on one occasion when | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
I was at a party, and he was there
and I was leaving, he chose to leave | 0:47:13 | 0:47:20 | |
the party at the same time as me
under the guise of wanting to walk | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
me to the nearest station so I got
home safely. I insisted that I was | 0:47:23 | 0:47:30 | |
fine walking on my own and I didn't
feel the need to be accompanied and | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
he tried to hold my hand on that
walk and I resisted, but I let him, | 0:47:34 | 0:47:39 | |
but once we got to the station he
delved in for a kiss that was not | 0:47:39 | 0:47:44 | |
invited and I pushed him away and
basically ran away interest him. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:49 | |
Now, I did report that and along
with other young female colleagues | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
who were active campaigning for the
Labour Party at that time, we | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
actually did manage to go through
our party's procedures and as far as | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
I am aware he no longer behaves like
that. He was dealt with. He was | 0:48:00 | 0:48:05 | |
dealt with basically and I am glaed
that we spoke out and did and I'm | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
glad that we're having this debate
today about the fact that for many | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
women this is still a massive
problem that is not being dealt | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
with. You know what Theresa May has
suggested, some kind of independent | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
mediation system. What do you think
of that idea? I think it can't be | 0:48:20 | 0:48:24 | |
that on its own. I think every
political party has a responsibility | 0:48:24 | 0:48:30 | |
to deal with sexual harassment in
their own parties. There needs to be | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
a space for MPs staff and also for
MPs, interns and work experience as | 0:48:34 | 0:48:39 | |
well... When you say a space, what
do you mean? If you work for an MP, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
if you are a researcher or intern
and that MP happens to sexually | 0:48:43 | 0:48:49 | |
harass you, you can't go to them.
Certainly, it varies party by party | 0:48:49 | 0:48:55 | |
and that's part of my concern. There
is a lot of inconsistency here. In | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
my party there is a route that you
can go down in order to address | 0:48:59 | 0:49:08 | |
sexual harassment, but it is not the
same in every political party and | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
someone might work for a politician
who is not party alined and there | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
needs to be something in place for
people like that. My worry is also | 0:49:14 | 0:49:20 | |
for people who intern and do work
experience in MPs offices because | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
when you don't have the formal
employer, employee relationship | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
there needs to be something in place
for them and maybe there is a space | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
for the House of Commons to have
have a process in place which maybe | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
could be led by the Speaker, but it
cannot just be that, it needs to be | 0:49:32 | 0:49:38 | |
parties for situations like the one
I mentioned where I was a party | 0:49:38 | 0:49:43 | |
activist. Have you seen this
apparent lis, this dossier, this | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
spread sheet of 36 MPs? I haven't
seen it, but I have no reason to | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
doubt that it exists. I think that
what we have learnt over the past | 0:49:51 | 0:49:56 | |
few days is this behaviour is
happening in Westminster and I'm | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
glad that we are speaking about it
and it is out in the open because | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
that will be the first step in the
way of making people change their | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
behaviour. Why do you think it is
happening? It is happening because | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
of the power relationship. It's
always amazed me in Westminster how | 0:50:08 | 0:50:14 | |
many unattractive perhaps
middle-aged men seem to end up, you | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
know, with very young, very good
looking girlfriends. And I think so | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
much of it is about that power
relationship. Be it gender, but that | 0:50:21 | 0:50:26 | |
power relationship between an
employer and an employee and | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
politics is competitive. If somebody
wants to have a career in politics, | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
you know, they realise it is a
competitive industry and they don't | 0:50:33 | 0:50:38 | |
want to upset anyone along the way,
turning down unwanted sexual | 0:50:38 | 0:50:43 | |
advances might for some women they
might certificate receive that as | 0:50:43 | 0:50:48 | |
upset be people and damage their
career. I would say to women, don't | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
see it in that way, report it,
because theme their attitudes | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
towards women and politics is not
welcome in our Parliament. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:01 | |
Has Labour got its house in order.
There are reports that Jeremy Corbyn | 0:51:01 | 0:51:06 | |
refused to meet Labour MP Sarah
Champion when she raised the issue? | 0:51:06 | 0:51:11 | |
I believe that Sarah and Jeremy have
spoken and he did a speech at the | 0:51:11 | 0:51:18 | |
weekend setting out how seriously he
is taking this. He has a zer ATOL | 0:51:18 | 0:51:23 | |
rans approach. I have known Jeremy
for a number of years. I always knew | 0:51:23 | 0:51:28 | |
he took the allegations seriously
and he is appalled as the rest of us | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
about it. How do you respond to the
accusation that the party was slow | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
when it came to dealing with person
in terms of his foam phobic | 0:51:35 | 0:51:43 | |
comments? It the comments that were
made by him are indefensible. The | 0:51:43 | 0:51:48 | |
criticism was that you were... He
has been suspended from the Labour | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
Party. Was it too slow? It would be
very difficult for me to comment on | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
it. You must have an opinion on
whether it was slow or not? I think | 0:51:56 | 0:52:02 | |
that, obviously the allegations were
released very slowly and it was | 0:52:02 | 0:52:07 | |
drip, drip, drip approach, but I
think that certainly by Wednesday it | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
was right that the whip was removed
and he is not sitting as a Labour | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
MP. What should happen to a minister
who asks his secretary to buy | 0:52:14 | 0:52:19 | |
vibrators for him and then calls her
a demeaning phrase? Well, I think | 0:52:19 | 0:52:25 | |
certainly, the allegation that
you're talking about was made before | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
this person was a minister. So I
don't think the Ministerial Code is | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
an adequate way to go addressing
that particular allegation. Because | 0:52:33 | 0:52:38 | |
that relationship was in his
capacity as a member of Parliament u | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
not as a minister. I think that
every party needs to get their house | 0:52:41 | 0:52:46 | |
in order on this issue. OK. Thank
you very much. Thank you. Thank you | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
for coming on the programme, Kat
Smith, Labour MP. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:56 | |
Coming up, we'll be hearing
from parents of autistic children | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
who've told us they face violence
at home regularly and don't | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
have the support they need. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:06 | |
Lewis Hamilton clinched
his fourth world title | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
at the Mexican Grand Prix
despite finishing only | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
ninth after a clash
with rival Sebastian Vettel. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
His achievement makes him
unquestionably the most successful | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
British Formula One driver
in history, moving him | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
one championship clear
of Sir Jackie Stewart. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:22 | |
He's certainly come
a long way from this. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
Winner of the Yamahas,
Lewis Hamilton. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:33 | |
Recognise me now?
I'm Lewis Hamilton. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:43 | |
My ambition is to get
Formula One, definitely. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
I enjoy the speed. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:46 | |
I like to be with all the big
guys and I'd like to be | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
making lots of money. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:50 | |
It's just great feeling
when you wake up and you think | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
to yourself how did yesterday go? | 0:53:53 | 0:53:58 | |
And you say I'm world
champion and it's it | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
the coolest thing to be able
to say world champion. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
COMMENTATOR: Lewis Hamilton
is the 2014 world champion. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
Oh my god.
I can't believe it. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:13 | |
I can't really explain
how much this means. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
It means even more
than the first one. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:19 | |
It feels like it's the first time
and I'm just, I feel so blessed. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
COMMENTATOR: Lewis Hamilton wins
the US Grand Prix in Austin. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
It's the greatest moment of my life. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
I can't really find the right words
right this second to tell you how | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
amazing this feels and just that
I couldn't have done it without this | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
team who have empowered me
for the last three years and really | 0:54:38 | 0:54:45 | |
taken me on board and really helped
nurture me with the consider | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
and just faultless. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:49 | |
So I love you guys, thank you very
much for everything you do for me. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
I feel like I conquered any demons,
that if I may have had any, | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
I don't think I did really,
but if I had any demons or anything | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
standing in my way I feel
I conquered it with great strength. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
COMMENTATOR: Hamilton's
got problems. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
Hamilton' got a puncture
on his right rear tyre. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
Hamilton does it in 2017. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
Hamilton is world champion in 2017. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:18 | |
I was always grateful after my first
and then the second came and then | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
the third came and then this sheer
will, how I still had | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
this will and willpower
to continue after a lot | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
of the success we've had. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:29 | |
I felt even a bigger burning desire
this year to win the championship | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
particularly as we're fighting
another team and I had | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
a difficult year last year. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:35 | |
So, I was adamant I was going
to better myself mentally, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:40 | |
physically and with my attitude
and how I work with everyone | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
so that I could put myself
in the position I'm in today. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:47 | |
We can speak now to David Brabham,
the son of the former racing world | 0:55:49 | 0:55:54 | |
champion Sir Jack Brabham,
and Lewis Hamilton | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
super-fan Donna James. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
Welcome both. David, how do you
assess this achievement? It's pretty | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
incredible really. To win one World
Championship is hard enough, but to | 0:56:03 | 0:56:07 | |
win four in the way that he has done
it as well. This year the | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
championship was going either way
Ferrari or Mercedes or Vettel or | 0:56:11 | 0:56:18 | |
Hamilton and over the break in
August, Lewis has gone up a gear. He | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
is driving jut standingingly. What
sort of a driver is he? He's very | 0:56:22 | 0:56:27 | |
natural. What does that mean for us
lay people? Just comes easy to him | 0:56:27 | 0:56:33 | |
in a way, but he's not lazy with it.
He works incredibly hard to keep | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
improving himself and I was watching
yesterday and Niki Lauda said from | 0:56:37 | 0:56:42 | |
last year to this year a big
improvement and over that break he | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
has improved again. He just keeps
wanting to improve and improve again | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
and with the right car, right team
around him, slightly untouchable at | 0:56:49 | 0:56:54 | |
the moment. Donna, would you agree,
untouchable at the moment? Oh | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
definitely, yes, without a doubt. He
has been amazing this season. And | 0:56:58 | 0:57:03 | |
what is it that you love about Lewis
Hamilton? Oh, I have loved Formula | 0:57:03 | 0:57:08 | |
One for so long now, but when Lewis
started, I followed him right from | 0:57:08 | 0:57:13 | |
the start. He is a really natural
driver. But he's also a racer and | 0:57:13 | 0:57:18 | |
that's what we want to see more in
Formula One. You know, good racing | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
really. Do you think it's right that
appeals not only to what you might | 0:57:22 | 0:57:29 | |
call the petrol heads, but he loves
music and he has amazing personality | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
and he loves fashion. Does he bring
more people into Formula One? Oh | 0:57:33 | 0:57:38 | |
yeah, definitely. He is treated more
like a rock star. We recently went | 0:57:38 | 0:57:42 | |
to Sepang to see the Formula One
there and it is just a different | 0:57:42 | 0:57:48 | |
feeling when he's around, you know,
he gets the crowds going. No other | 0:57:48 | 0:57:54 | |
Formula One driver, I don't think,
is treated the way he is. I mean he | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
is just treated like a rock star
really. And David, what about what | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
Hamilton can do in the rest of his
career, can he beat Michael | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
Schumacher's record? Well, I think
we're starting to see Lewis in his | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
prime. And probably just at the
beginning of it. He just seems to be | 0:58:10 | 0:58:14 | |
in a really good place at the
moment. He is happy about his life, | 0:58:14 | 0:58:18 | |
where he's A I think he is
comfortable with who he is, he | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
struggled with this the past which
may have got in the way. He has got | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
a fantastic team around him. You
would say have to say that Michael | 0:58:25 | 0:58:31 | |
Schumacher's achievements of seven
World Championships kind of looks | 0:58:31 | 0:58:34 | |
like it's possible. Thank you very
much. Thank you for coming into the | 0:58:34 | 0:58:37 | |
studio. Thank you Donna. Thank you
for talk to us, I appreciate it. | 0:58:37 | 0:58:45 | |
Let's get the latest
weather update with Carol. | 0:58:45 | 0:58:48 | |
How are you? Very well, thank you.
It's freezing. Winter is here. It | 0:58:48 | 0:58:54 | |
has been a really cold start. The
lowest temperature was minus five | 0:58:54 | 0:58:59 | |
Celsius in the Highlandsment the
last film we saw a temperature of | 0:58:59 | 0:59:02 | |
minus 5.1 Celsius was on 9th May in
Shap and that was high. You are not | 0:59:02 | 0:59:08 | |
wrong as usual! | 0:59:08 | 0:59:10 | |
Shap and that was high. You are not
wrong as usual! | 0:59:10 | 0:59:11 | |
Isn't it gorgeous? A lovely Weather
Watcher picture showing we had clear | 0:59:11 | 0:59:18 | |
skies, but it was frosty. Another
gorgeous one. You can see the frost | 0:59:18 | 0:59:22 | |
on the flowers and the dew as well
and we have got another one if my | 0:59:22 | 0:59:26 | |
clicker will move on, from Perth in
Kinross, a frosty scene. We are | 0:59:26 | 0:59:33 | |
always talking about your central
heating... It's on. You might want | 0:59:33 | 0:59:37 | |
to switch it off because the
temperatures are up and down like a | 0:59:37 | 0:59:41 | |
yo-yo. What we have got is after
today, there is a cold start. This | 0:59:41 | 0:59:44 | |
is alluding to there with Victoria,
we will see more cloud building from | 0:59:44 | 0:59:49 | |
tomorrow and through the midweek
period. It will turn milder. There | 0:59:49 | 0:59:53 | |
is little rain in the forecast this
week. Welds some in the north and | 0:59:53 | 0:59:57 | |
the west, but many of us will stay
dry and it is next weekend it turns | 0:59:57 | 1:00:01 | |
colder and showery. Talking of
showers, we have got showers | 1:00:01 | 1:00:04 | |
flirting with the North Sea Coast
line. We have got two weather fronts | 1:00:04 | 1:00:08 | |
crossing us from the west, both
heading eastwards and in between a | 1:00:08 | 1:00:12 | |
lot of dry weather. This afternoon a
cold afternoon when you compare it | 1:00:12 | 1:00:17 | |
to yesterday across northern
England, temperatures staying in | 1:00:17 | 1:00:18 | |
single figures. Still a few showers
particularly in East Anglia through | 1:00:18 | 1:00:22 | |
the afternoon. But from the Midlands
heading towards Kent and the Isle of | 1:00:22 | 1:00:26 | |
Wight, we have got a lot of
sunshine. A lot of sun shy across | 1:00:26 | 1:00:29 | |
south-west England and the Isles of
Scilly and the Channel Islands for | 1:00:29 | 1:00:32 | |
that matter and as we head into
Wales, again, you are looking at a | 1:00:32 | 1:00:37 | |
brighter, sunnier afternoon too,
temperatures lower than they were | 1:00:37 | 1:00:39 | |
this time yesterday. For Northern
Ireland, the cloud will be starting | 1:00:39 | 1:00:42 | |
to build, courtesy of our weather
front coming in from the west. It | 1:00:42 | 1:00:46 | |
will introduce splashes of rain and
drizzle as it will do across western | 1:00:46 | 1:00:49 | |
parts of Scotland, but move away
from that, we are in brighter skies, | 1:00:49 | 1:00:53 | |
except for in the north-east where
we have got our first weather front | 1:00:53 | 1:00:55 | |
crossing. Now this evening it will
turning chilly quickly in the South | 1:00:55 | 1:01:00 | |
East. We could have a touch of frost
for a time, but as the cloud comes | 1:01:00 | 1:01:03 | |
in from the west, bringing this rain
with it, and murky conditions, the | 1:01:03 | 1:01:07 | |
temperatures will actually go up in
the South East. And we are looking | 1:01:07 | 1:01:10 | |
at heavy rain across the western
Highlands and we will have the heavy | 1:01:10 | 1:01:14 | |
rain tomorrow. So we will be
starting to see especially with | 1:01:14 | 1:01:21 | |
height the accumulations building.
Tomorrow, as the rain rattles from | 1:01:21 | 1:01:25 | |
the west to the east, we will see
showers coming in across Northern | 1:01:25 | 1:01:29 | |
Ireland and into Wales and
north-west England and around the | 1:01:29 | 1:01:31 | |
Isle of Man, we are looking at
showers and drizzle, but push down | 1:01:31 | 1:01:36 | |
towards the South East, better back
in brighter skies and sunshine. Look | 1:01:36 | 1:01:41 | |
at the difference in the
temperatures. Today, single figures | 1:01:41 | 1:01:45 | |
and tomorrow we are back into double
figures. Moving from Tuesday and | 1:01:45 | 1:01:49 | |
into Wednesday, we have got this
weather front and it is wiggling | 1:01:49 | 1:01:53 | |
northwards and southwards, not
covering huge distances as it does | 1:01:53 | 1:01:56 | |
so, but it means that it is bringing
in cloud and rain. Quite a breezy | 1:01:56 | 1:02:00 | |
day, but the wind coming from a mild
south-westerly direction. Again, | 1:02:00 | 1:02:05 | |
windward coast seeing more cloud at
times, push down towards the south | 1:02:05 | 1:02:09 | |
and the east and we are back into
the sunshine, highs of 15 Celsius, | 1:02:09 | 1:02:14 | |
still we are looking at 12s and 13s
in the north. | 1:02:14 | 1:02:19 | |
Hello, it's Monday, it's 10am. | 1:02:19 | 1:02:20 | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire,
welcome to the programme. | 1:02:20 | 1:02:22 | |
Our top story today -
Kevin Spacey apologises | 1:02:22 | 1:02:26 | |
after being accused of
making a sexual advance | 1:02:26 | 1:02:28 | |
toward a child actor. | 1:02:28 | 1:02:31 | |
And sexual harassment
claims at Westminster spiral, | 1:02:31 | 1:02:36 | |
with reports of 36 MPs
being accused of misconduct. | 1:02:36 | 1:02:38 | |
These young people,
especially as some of them, | 1:02:38 | 1:02:40 | |
it might be their first job
in politics, they have been | 1:02:40 | 1:02:43 | |
desperate to get it and might have
applied amongst 400 people to get | 1:02:43 | 1:02:46 | |
the job, and they get the job,
and then they find this MP | 1:02:46 | 1:02:49 | |
has wandering hands and says
inappropriate things | 1:02:49 | 1:02:51 | |
and they feel slightly frightened
or threatened by them. | 1:02:51 | 1:02:53 | |
Where do you go to
make that complaint? | 1:02:53 | 1:02:55 | |
Who do you speak to? | 1:02:55 | 1:02:57 | |
At the moment it's not clear at all, | 1:02:57 | 1:02:59 | |
and, of course,
no-one really has teeth. | 1:02:59 | 1:03:02 | |
There is no body that
can slap the MP down. | 1:03:02 | 1:03:09 | |
We'll hear from TV presenter | 1:03:09 | 1:03:11 | |
Anne Robinson, who says women really
should know better than to share | 1:03:11 | 1:03:14 | |
a cab or go to a hotel room
with someone they don't trust. | 1:03:14 | 1:03:17 | |
Also on the programme -
an exclusive report looking | 1:03:17 | 1:03:19 | |
at the reality for some parents
of living with autistic children. | 1:03:19 | 1:03:21 | |
It was really upsetting. | 1:03:21 | 1:03:22 | |
It's horrible,
because I love him so much. | 1:03:22 | 1:03:28 | |
And yeah, I don't want people
to be scared of him, | 1:03:28 | 1:03:30 | |
because he's, you know, his nature
is gentle and he doesn't... | 1:03:30 | 1:03:37 | |
he is not meaning
to be the way he is at all. | 1:03:37 | 1:03:45 | |
Many of you getting in touch to say
that you feel totally isolated, you | 1:03:45 | 1:03:49 | |
find yourself in a similar scenario,
totally isolated and failed by your | 1:03:49 | 1:03:54 | |
local authority. If you want to send
us an mail, please do. And there is | 1:03:54 | 1:04:02 | |
a new suggestion to scrap interest
on student loans to help avoid a | 1:04:02 | 1:04:07 | |
future debt crisis. If you are a
student, tell us what you think of | 1:04:07 | 1:04:11 | |
the idea. | 1:04:11 | 1:04:17 | |
Time for the latest news,
here's Annita McVeigh. | 1:04:17 | 1:04:23 | |
Thanks, Victoria, good morning. | 1:04:23 | 1:04:25 | |
The Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey
has been accused of making | 1:04:25 | 1:04:28 | |
a sexual advance towards a child
actor more than 30 years ago. | 1:04:28 | 1:04:31 | |
The Star Trek actor Anthony Rapp
said Mr Spacey had | 1:04:31 | 1:04:33 | |
placed him on a bed and climbed
on top of him when he was 14. | 1:04:33 | 1:04:39 | |
Kevin Spacey has responded
on Twitter, | 1:04:39 | 1:04:41 | |
saying he does not remember the
incident but if it had happened, | 1:04:41 | 1:04:44 | |
it would have been deeply
inappropriate and drunken behaviour. | 1:04:44 | 1:04:46 | |
The Leader of the House of Commons | 1:04:46 | 1:04:48 | |
is being asked to make
an urgent statement, | 1:04:48 | 1:04:50 | |
amid allegations of
widespread inappropriate sexual | 1:04:50 | 1:04:51 | |
behaviour in Westminster. | 1:04:51 | 1:04:55 | |
Yesterday, the Prime Minister
proposed a new system | 1:04:55 | 1:04:57 | |
for dealing with claims
of harassment, | 1:04:57 | 1:05:00 | |
saying the reputation of Parliament
had to be protected. | 1:05:00 | 1:05:02 | |
Unverified lists
of MPs accused of misconduct | 1:05:02 | 1:05:04 | |
are reportedly circulating
in Westminster. | 1:05:04 | 1:05:08 | |
Earlier, Kat Smith told the Victoria
of her experience of harassment in | 1:05:08 | 1:05:11 | |
politics. Once we got to the
station, he delved in for a case | 1:05:11 | 1:05:16 | |
that was definitely not invited, and
I pushed him away and basically ran | 1:05:16 | 1:05:20 | |
away from him. Now, I did report
that, along with other young female | 1:05:20 | 1:05:27 | |
colleagues who were actively
campaigning for the Labour Party at | 1:05:27 | 1:05:30 | |
that time. We did manage to go
through our party procedures and, as | 1:05:30 | 1:05:34 | |
far as I am aware, he no longer
behaves like that. | 1:05:34 | 1:05:38 | |
The parents of autistic children
are not being properly supported | 1:05:38 | 1:05:40 | |
in dealing with violent behaviour,
according to a charity. | 1:05:40 | 1:05:43 | |
This programme has spoken
to families who say | 1:05:43 | 1:05:44 | |
they're not getting enough help
from local authorities, | 1:05:44 | 1:05:46 | |
while they face violent outbursts
from their children, | 1:05:46 | 1:05:48 | |
including kicking and headbutting. | 1:05:48 | 1:05:49 | |
The National Autistic Society says
that a special educational needs | 1:05:49 | 1:05:52 | |
system needs to be put in place
to provide the support needed | 1:05:52 | 1:05:55 | |
to de-escalate violent behaviour. | 1:05:55 | 1:05:59 | |
An influential economic think-tank
says the Chancellor | 1:05:59 | 1:06:02 | |
is caught between a rock
and a hard place | 1:06:02 | 1:06:04 | |
as he prepares
his forthcoming Budget. | 1:06:04 | 1:06:06 | |
The Institute for Fiscal Studies
says Philip Hammond | 1:06:06 | 1:06:08 | |
will have to abandon his target
for getting rid of the deficit | 1:06:08 | 1:06:11 | |
if he is to meet demands
from Cabinet colleagues | 1:06:11 | 1:06:13 | |
to increase spending. | 1:06:13 | 1:06:16 | |
The Treasury has responded by saying
it would continue to adopt what | 1:06:16 | 1:06:19 | |
it called a balanced approach. | 1:06:19 | 1:06:23 | |
That is a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 1:06:23 | 1:06:27 | |
More from me at half past ten. | 1:06:27 | 1:06:33 | |
Cheers, thank you very much, just
reading your e-mails, many of you | 1:06:33 | 1:06:37 | |
have autistic children, Michelle
says, I have three autistic | 1:06:37 | 1:06:40 | |
children, two have been extremely
violent at times. My eldest child | 1:06:40 | 1:06:44 | |
pushed my husband down the stairs
following my younger son cracking my | 1:06:44 | 1:06:48 | |
ribs. I was offered workshops and
allocated a social worker, when they | 1:06:48 | 1:06:54 | |
came out, having skimmed through our
historical notes, I was told, you | 1:06:54 | 1:06:57 | |
couldn't cope then, now you are not
coping again, and if you can't | 1:06:57 | 1:07:01 | |
manage, we will have to place your
children in care. I was shocked and | 1:07:01 | 1:07:05 | |
terrified at the same time, I did
need support, but I wanted to keep | 1:07:05 | 1:07:09 | |
my children. I told them I did not
need their help, and I will never | 1:07:09 | 1:07:13 | |
ask for their help again. This
e-mail is a story that brings me to | 1:07:13 | 1:07:21 | |
tears, my son has severe autism, and
it has reduced my life to almost | 1:07:21 | 1:07:26 | |
nonexistent. There is not enough
support, I have had to give up my | 1:07:26 | 1:07:30 | |
job, I have no friends, worst of all
family feel I am throwing my life | 1:07:30 | 1:07:34 | |
away, it is very isolating and the
council have failed us. Another | 1:07:34 | 1:07:41 | |
says, I am crying watching your
report, I have two autistic | 1:07:41 | 1:07:44 | |
children, seven and four, I am a is
in your parent with no help, I have | 1:07:44 | 1:07:48 | |
got no energy. -- I am a single
parent with no help. Very | 1:07:48 | 1:07:57 | |
distressing and moving
correspondence from you, we will be | 1:07:57 | 1:08:00 | |
talking more about this in the next
half-hour, and we will try to get | 1:08:00 | 1:08:04 | |
some advice for you at least. Do get
in touch, send an e-mail or message | 1:08:04 | 1:08:09 | |
us on Twitter. Let's bring you some
sport, Olly Foster is with us. | 1:08:09 | 1:08:16 | |
Hello, Victoria, Lewis Hamilton, as
we have been hearing all morning, | 1:08:16 | 1:08:19 | |
has become the most successful
British driver in the history of | 1:08:19 | 1:08:23 | |
Formula One. He could not make it
onto the podium at the Mexican Grand | 1:08:23 | 1:08:28 | |
Prix, but ninth was good enough to
become world champion for a fourth | 1:08:28 | 1:08:31 | |
time. He collided with title rival
Sebastian Vettel on the first lap, a | 1:08:31 | 1:08:37 | |
puncture on his Mercedes saw him
drop to last. Vettel could not | 1:08:37 | 1:08:42 | |
achieve the top two finish each
needed to keep the title race live, | 1:08:42 | 1:08:47 | |
and Hamilton was champion again with
two races to spare. That moves him | 1:08:47 | 1:08:52 | |
head of the greatest Sir Jackie
Stewart, won three titles. He is the | 1:08:52 | 1:08:57 | |
one, at the moment, who is driving
the best car with the best team, and | 1:08:57 | 1:09:02 | |
he is delivering, driving and
winning the World Championship for | 1:09:02 | 1:09:05 | |
one year is not all that difficult -
but doing it as a serial world | 1:09:05 | 1:09:10 | |
champion is considerably more
difficult. Perfect start for Claude | 1:09:10 | 1:09:15 | |
Puel at Leicester City, he only took
over from Craig Shakespeare last | 1:09:15 | 1:09:19 | |
Wednesday, they beat Everton 2-0 to
move up to 11 in the table. Everton | 1:09:19 | 1:09:25 | |
had caretaker David Unsworth in
charge, they remain in the | 1:09:25 | 1:09:29 | |
relegation zone. Jamie Vardy and
Demarai Gray scored the goals for | 1:09:29 | 1:09:32 | |
the Foxes. Elsewhere, Brighton drew
with Southampton. In the Women's | 1:09:32 | 1:09:39 | |
Super League, Manchester City are
joint top of the two injury time | 1:09:39 | 1:09:43 | |
goals saw them beat Birmingham City
Ladies 3-1, Chelsea join them at the | 1:09:43 | 1:09:48 | |
top, they beat Yeovil 6-0, Arsenal
beat Everton. Caroline Wozniacki has | 1:09:48 | 1:09:56 | |
won the end of season World Tour
Finals in Singapore after a straight | 1:09:56 | 1:10:00 | |
sets victory over Venus Williams,
her biggest win of her career. It is | 1:10:00 | 1:10:03 | |
the first time she has beaten
Williams in eight attempts, capping | 1:10:03 | 1:10:06 | |
a remarkable comeback. She had
slipped to number 74 in the world | 1:10:06 | 1:10:11 | |
after a serious ankle injury last
year. Now she is back up to third in | 1:10:11 | 1:10:16 | |
the rankings. Talking about rolling
back the years, Roger Federer beat | 1:10:16 | 1:10:22 | |
Juan Martin del Potro to win the
Swiss Indoor title, a record eighth | 1:10:22 | 1:10:26 | |
time he has done that in Basel, his
seventh title of 2017. But he is | 1:10:26 | 1:10:31 | |
going to skip next month's Paris
Masters, which will almost certainly | 1:10:31 | 1:10:36 | |
see Rafa Nadal finish as number one
this year. That is all the sport for | 1:10:36 | 1:10:42 | |
now, back with the headlines later
in the programme. | 1:10:42 | 1:10:45 | |
Cheers, Olly | 1:10:45 | 1:10:46 | |
in the programme.
Cheers, Olly, thank you very much. | 1:10:46 | 1:10:50 | |
Sexual harassment allegations
have dominated the news | 1:10:50 | 1:10:52 | |
over the last three weeks -
no walk of life | 1:10:52 | 1:10:54 | |
is unaffected by it -
and hundreds of women - | 1:10:54 | 1:10:56 | |
and some men - have now
felt empowered to speak | 1:10:56 | 1:10:59 | |
out since allegations
about Harvey Weinstein | 1:10:59 | 1:11:00 | |
first emerged. | 1:11:00 | 1:11:01 | |
We can speak now to TV presenter
and journalist Anne Robinson, | 1:11:01 | 1:11:04 | |
who says women really should know
better than to share a cab | 1:11:04 | 1:11:07 | |
or go to a hotel room
with someone they don't trust. | 1:11:07 | 1:11:09 | |
Anne Robinson, good morning.
Morning, Victoria. Is it as simple | 1:11:09 | 1:11:14 | |
as that? No, it is not as simple as
that, it is very disappointing that | 1:11:14 | 1:11:19 | |
over the last 50 years the glass
ceilings have been broken and rather | 1:11:19 | 1:11:26 | |
than confidence flowing alongside
the fact that there are women in | 1:11:26 | 1:11:29 | |
power, there is a sort of fragility
and inability to speak out. If there | 1:11:29 | 1:11:35 | |
are former Cabinet ministers now
saying, yes, it goes on in the | 1:11:35 | 1:11:40 | |
Houses of Parliament, why haven't
they done anything about it?! If | 1:11:40 | 1:11:44 | |
there is a fragility amongst women,
why is that? I really fail to | 1:11:44 | 1:11:51 | |
understand it, because you know, 50
years ago, there were very few of | 1:11:51 | 1:11:56 | |
us, particularly in newspapers, who
had a position of power, and we | 1:11:56 | 1:12:00 | |
seems to be much more robust and
then about bending off this sort of | 1:12:00 | 1:12:04 | |
behaviour. It is women having PhD is
and Masters degrees if they have not | 1:12:04 | 1:12:14 | |
got any common-sense! It is not
about education, though, is it? You | 1:12:14 | 1:12:21 | |
can have a first-class degree from
one of the top universities in the | 1:12:21 | 1:12:24 | |
world still feel vulnerable and
intimidated by a man in a more | 1:12:24 | 1:12:29 | |
senior position than you. Well, I
can ask you the same, why do you | 1:12:29 | 1:12:33 | |
think that is? You have gone silent
on me. Yeah, I am just thinking | 1:12:33 | 1:12:40 | |
about it! It is complex, isn't it? I
will tell you what I think should | 1:12:40 | 1:12:47 | |
happen much more, and I do try, they
should be more mentoring of young | 1:12:47 | 1:12:52 | |
women. So they learn not to have to
put up with this behaviour. I mean, | 1:12:52 | 1:13:00 | |
why if someone is bright enough to
be a PA to a Trade Minister not able | 1:13:00 | 1:13:05 | |
to say to him, I am not going to go
to a shop and buy sex toys? Because | 1:13:05 | 1:13:10 | |
you might feel that your job would
be under threat. But there is a | 1:13:10 | 1:13:13 | |
certain amount of the attitude you
have, I can't say I come across much | 1:13:13 | 1:13:20 | |
of this behaviour, I honestly have
not, and I think it is probably | 1:13:20 | 1:13:24 | |
because I developed a very good
don't mess with me attitude to it. | 1:13:24 | 1:13:29 | |
You know, bullies only operate where
they think there is a weakness. Are | 1:13:29 | 1:13:34 | |
you not blaming victims here? Well,
I do think there is a lot more... I | 1:13:34 | 1:13:40 | |
do sort of feel that women are much
more fractured on the wheel of life | 1:13:40 | 1:13:45 | |
than maybe we were 40 years ago.
What about telling men to just stop | 1:13:45 | 1:13:51 | |
doing it? Well, I certainly think...
I do think it is difficult for a | 1:13:51 | 1:13:57 | |
youngster who has just got her first
job to make a farce, but they should | 1:13:57 | 1:14:02 | |
be a system whereby senior women in
any organisation are there to have a | 1:14:02 | 1:14:08 | |
collective arm around her so that
she is not singled out as a | 1:14:08 | 1:14:13 | |
nuisance, that they listen to her
complaints and give those complaints | 1:14:13 | 1:14:18 | |
some validation. And how should men
change? Well, you know, shall we | 1:14:18 | 1:14:24 | |
tell them one more time and then
they will get it, Victoria? Men | 1:14:24 | 1:14:28 | |
won't change until it is made very,
very, very inconvenient for them to | 1:14:28 | 1:14:33 | |
behave like this. I had no idea this
was still going on, I am very | 1:14:33 | 1:14:39 | |
disappointed in it. But the fact
that it is still going on, and to | 1:14:39 | 1:14:43 | |
such an extent, it would seem, you
make of that? Well, I think there is | 1:14:43 | 1:14:51 | |
collaboration. The Prime Minister
has been MP for 20 years, did it not | 1:14:51 | 1:14:55 | |
occurred to her before this that
something horrid was happening? Has | 1:14:55 | 1:15:00 | |
it happened to you? No! Honestly, I
can't think of a dreadful occasion I | 1:15:00 | 1:15:09 | |
have had working, I really can't,
because bullies know better than | 1:15:09 | 1:15:17 | |
anybody when not to mess with you.
They understand no. And we simply | 1:15:17 | 1:15:24 | |
must start having women believe that
they can make a fuss. I don't | 1:15:24 | 1:15:29 | |
recognise your argument that a
clever PA can't say, I am not going | 1:15:29 | 1:15:35 | |
to go and buy sex toys for you.
Look, you have got another former | 1:15:35 | 1:15:41 | |
Cabinet minister, Justine Greening,
saying women should go to the | 1:15:41 | 1:15:44 | |
police. Can you imagine going to the
police station near Westminster and | 1:15:44 | 1:15:50 | |
saying to the desk sergeant, by the
way, I would like to complain that | 1:15:50 | 1:15:54 | |
my boss ask me to buy sex toys? I am
not sure you would go to the police | 1:15:54 | 1:15:59 | |
about that. The fact that a PA is
clever or otherwise seems to be one | 1:15:59 | 1:16:05 | |
point, but in the end, when you are
working for somebody, and they are | 1:16:05 | 1:16:10 | |
asking you to do something or
putting themselves upon you, | 1:16:10 | 1:16:14 | |
suggesting sexually inappropriate
things, you might feel intimidated - | 1:16:14 | 1:16:18 | |
you might feel your position is
under threat if you say no, and that | 1:16:18 | 1:16:22 | |
is fair enough, isn't it? Do you not
have sympathy with those people? | 1:16:22 | 1:16:29 | |
Well, you could say I find this
inappropriate behaviour, you could | 1:16:29 | 1:16:33 | |
have some sort of mentoring system
so you could go and discuss it and | 1:16:33 | 1:16:37 | |
perhaps some woman more senior in
power can help you get through this. | 1:16:37 | 1:16:41 | |
Thank you. You must agree with me,
that, you know, these days there are | 1:16:41 | 1:16:51 | |
enough women MPs, it is a disgrace
that they have allowed it to go on | 1:16:51 | 1:16:55 | |
happening. Do you wonder that, it's
perhaps because of views like yours, | 1:16:55 | 1:17:02 | |
it stops peopling speaking up? Why
would views like mine stop them | 1:17:02 | 1:17:07 | |
speaking up? It some people it might
sound like you are blaming the | 1:17:07 | 1:17:10 | |
victim? I'm not blaming the victim.
I'm being pragmatic. In a perfect | 1:17:10 | 1:17:17 | |
world men wouldn't behave badly, but
they are going to go on behaving | 1:17:17 | 1:17:22 | |
badly until it is inconvenient for
them not to and part of that has to | 1:17:22 | 1:17:27 | |
be that women who are in powerful
positions start helping younger | 1:17:27 | 1:17:32 | |
women not to put up with it. OK. I
don't think that's under reasonable, | 1:17:32 | 1:17:37 | |
is it? Thank you very much, Anne
Robinson, thank you for coming on | 1:17:37 | 1:17:41 | |
the programme. Thank you. | 1:17:41 | 1:17:46 | |
This morning we've been hearing
from parents of violent autistic | 1:17:48 | 1:17:50 | |
children who've told us they face
being strangled, | 1:17:50 | 1:17:52 | |
head-butted and kicked. | 1:17:52 | 1:17:53 | |
Of course not all autistic
children are violent, | 1:17:53 | 1:17:55 | |
but when they are,
it can be incredibly | 1:17:55 | 1:17:57 | |
difficult to manage. | 1:17:57 | 1:17:58 | |
The National Autistic Society say
parents aren't being properly | 1:17:58 | 1:18:04 | |
supported by their local
authorities, leaving | 1:18:04 | 1:18:05 | |
families and their
children in dire need. | 1:18:05 | 1:18:08 | |
We bought you Noel Philips
exclusive report earlier, | 1:18:08 | 1:18:10 | |
here's a short extract. | 1:18:10 | 1:18:19 | |
Let's talk to Yvonne Newbold,
who has faced violence at the hands | 1:20:05 | 1:20:08 | |
of her son who is now
in residential care. | 1:20:08 | 1:20:10 | |
Yvonne now writes on how parents can
handle challenging children. | 1:20:10 | 1:20:12 | |
Stephenie Sverna and her son James. | 1:20:12 | 1:20:13 | |
James is ten and has autism. | 1:20:13 | 1:20:18 | |
David, step dad is here as well. | 1:20:18 | 1:20:20 | |
Stephenie is also expecting
a second child, and is due | 1:20:20 | 1:20:23 | |
to give birth next month,
so she has concerns | 1:20:23 | 1:20:25 | |
about keeping her baby safe. | 1:20:25 | 1:20:27 | |
Richard Sutton has a 14-year-old son
called Max who needs a two-to-one | 1:20:27 | 1:20:30 | |
staff ratio at all times in school
to manage his behaviour safely. | 1:20:30 | 1:20:34 | |
And Labour MP Dr Paul Williams,
who is also a GP and a member | 1:20:34 | 1:20:37 | |
of the Health Select Committee. | 1:20:37 | 1:20:39 | |
He recently wrote to
England's Health Secretary, | 1:20:39 | 1:20:41 | |
Jeremy Hunt, raising concerns
about support for families. | 1:20:41 | 1:20:46 | |
Welcome all of you. Thank you so
much for coming on the programme. | 1:20:46 | 1:20:51 | |
Yvonne, your son would lash out at
you. Tell our audience a little of | 1:20:51 | 1:20:55 | |
what you experienced. Right, it
started when he was about ten and | 1:20:55 | 1:21:01 | |
we, it was just a complete shock. It
came from nowhere. At first I just | 1:21:01 | 1:21:05 | |
thought, he wasn't very mobile, he
was just learning how to walk and at | 1:21:05 | 1:21:08 | |
first I thought that it was just he
was experimenting with moving his | 1:21:08 | 1:21:12 | |
arms and things, I thought it was an
accident. The first time it | 1:21:12 | 1:21:17 | |
happened, he hit me across the face
so hard that my glasses went across | 1:21:17 | 1:21:22 | |
the room. I thought it was a
one-off, by the end of that week it | 1:21:22 | 1:21:26 | |
was happening seven or eight times a
day. It escalated so that it was | 1:21:26 | 1:21:31 | |
kicking. It was pulling my hair. One
of the things he would do would be | 1:21:31 | 1:21:34 | |
pull my hair, but then kick me in
the face where there is no escape. | 1:21:34 | 1:21:40 | |
Were you frightened? Terrified at
times. The times I didn't know how | 1:21:40 | 1:21:44 | |
we were going to get through the
next five minutes. There were times | 1:21:44 | 1:21:49 | |
when I really didn't think that I
would be able to somehow get all of | 1:21:49 | 1:21:55 | |
us through it alive. Or without a
serious injury. I also had two other | 1:21:55 | 1:22:00 | |
children, Toby was my middle child
so it just wasn't me that was | 1:22:00 | 1:22:04 | |
vulnerable and one of the things was
when he came downstairs in the | 1:22:04 | 1:22:09 | |
morning, somebody had to come
because his mobility is so poor, | 1:22:09 | 1:22:13 | |
somebody has to walk backwards ahead
of him. Well, at least once a week I | 1:22:13 | 1:22:19 | |
was getting kicked down the stairs
backwards. It just becomes your | 1:22:19 | 1:22:22 | |
life. It just becomes normal.
Stephanie, you're nodding in | 1:22:22 | 1:22:27 | |
agreement here. Again, give our
audience a little insight into your | 1:22:27 | 1:22:31 | |
daily life and the challenges. Well,
my son John McCain is ten years old. | 1:22:31 | 1:22:36 | |
He's severely autistic and non
verbal and still in nappies and | 1:22:36 | 1:22:40 | |
every day, every moment is different
so even now, he's quite unsettled. | 1:22:40 | 1:22:46 | |
He has a diagnosis of ASD and ADHD
so he's very, very active, | 1:22:46 | 1:22:52 | |
constantly on the move. He will
self-harm and he will lash out at us | 1:22:52 | 1:22:57 | |
if we get too close and it's every
day for James is quite challenging | 1:22:57 | 1:23:03 | |
and quite difficult. So we never
really know to what expect and we | 1:23:03 | 1:23:09 | |
have to hyper vigilant and on edge
all the time so it is a big | 1:23:09 | 1:23:13 | |
challenge. What are your concerns as
you prepare to have another baby? I | 1:23:13 | 1:23:19 | |
am worried about, because for the
last ten years, my focus has been | 1:23:19 | 1:23:23 | |
entirely on James and I'm worried
that I wouldn't be able to have that | 1:23:23 | 1:23:29 | |
focus 100% on James and I'm
expecting within the next two weeks | 1:23:29 | 1:23:32 | |
so it will be a huge life change so
I'm quite worried about the impact | 1:23:32 | 1:23:38 | |
that that's going to have on his
behaviour and the challenging | 1:23:38 | 1:23:41 | |
behaviour. Right. Does that include
safety towards your new baby? Yes. | 1:23:41 | 1:23:46 | |
Yes, I mean I've had even throughout
this pregnancy I have had to keep a | 1:23:46 | 1:23:52 | |
distance, a physical barrier with my
son because he doesn't understand | 1:23:52 | 1:23:57 | |
how he is being around me so I have
to kind of protect already, | 1:23:57 | 1:24:02 | |
safeguard already, my, you know,
baby. OK. | 1:24:02 | 1:24:07 | |
Richard, hello. Hi. Tell us about
the issues with your son? Max is 14. | 1:24:07 | 1:24:17 | |
He has a chromosome deletion. He has
autism features. He has behaviour | 1:24:17 | 1:24:24 | |
that challenges us most days. What
does that mean in practical terms? | 1:24:24 | 1:24:27 | |
That means he can become from being
a passive young man to escalating | 1:24:27 | 1:24:36 | |
into direct violence either to us or
to himself and that can last for | 1:24:36 | 1:24:43 | |
minutes. It can last for hours and I
think the overwhelming impact is | 1:24:43 | 1:24:49 | |
that it leaves you feeling unsure
where to go for help. Unsure how to | 1:24:49 | 1:24:56 | |
manage. OK. And where, Yvonne, where
should parents with autistic | 1:24:56 | 1:25:03 | |
children who are being violent
towards them go for help and what | 1:25:03 | 1:25:07 | |
help should they get? Are you asking
what help should they get? What help | 1:25:07 | 1:25:11 | |
should they get? First of all being
believed and understood and accepted | 1:25:11 | 1:25:15 | |
that this is a thing. Right. Sorry
to interrupt, I'm getting messages | 1:25:15 | 1:25:23 | |
from parents in similar scenarios
and they are being told you are an | 1:25:23 | 1:25:27 | |
inadequate parent... Exactly. Is
that a theme? I thought I was a | 1:25:27 | 1:25:32 | |
failure as a mother for years. It
wasn't until years later when I | 1:25:32 | 1:25:36 | |
began to realise that I wasn't the
only one and if anybody is watching | 1:25:36 | 1:25:40 | |
today, please know that you are not
the only one out there. I didn't | 1:25:40 | 1:25:46 | |
realise actually I was like the
tough mother of parents. We have to | 1:25:46 | 1:25:50 | |
learn on the job. We have to try
every possible, off-the-wall quirky, | 1:25:50 | 1:25:56 | |
strategy, going to just try
everything and throw everything at | 1:25:56 | 1:25:59 | |
it to try and sort it. OK. So what
should be available, but what is | 1:25:59 | 1:26:03 | |
actually happening? What should be
available is a robust referral | 1:26:03 | 1:26:09 | |
system whereby parents can access
positive behaviour support from a | 1:26:09 | 1:26:15 | |
behaviour intervention team. Does
that mean someone coming into your | 1:26:15 | 1:26:17 | |
home? Yes, we got it, but it took
seven years. Oh my word. And we | 1:26:17 | 1:26:25 | |
finally got it after Toby's 17th
birthday and because it was a | 1:26:25 | 1:26:30 | |
children's service, it finished on
the day he was 18. OK. Let me bring | 1:26:30 | 1:26:35 | |
in Paul Williams. The Local
Government Association tell us that | 1:26:35 | 1:26:40 | |
councils aren't getting the funding
they need, that's why parents like | 1:26:40 | 1:26:44 | |
the ones we have here are not
getting the help in their home with | 1:26:44 | 1:26:49 | |
their challenging autistic children?
Local councils are having to deal | 1:26:49 | 1:26:52 | |
with significant cutbacks and sadly
the stories that we're hearing today | 1:26:52 | 1:26:56 | |
show there are too many people that
are falling through the net and it's | 1:26:56 | 1:26:59 | |
a net they fall between and what
council is trying to do and what | 1:26:59 | 1:27:03 | |
schools are trying to do and what
Health Services are trying to do. | 1:27:03 | 1:27:07 | |
How would you make it work? First of
all, families need to get a prompt | 1:27:07 | 1:27:13 | |
diagnosis and I have been doing some
work with MPs to try and hold the | 1:27:13 | 1:27:17 | |
Health Secretary to account for
this. The guidance says that a | 1:27:17 | 1:27:20 | |
diagnosis should start, the process
start within three months of | 1:27:20 | 1:27:24 | |
referral. Some people are waiting
four years for that process to | 1:27:24 | 1:27:28 | |
begin. We need at qat support for
families to get the right behaviour | 1:27:28 | 1:27:31 | |
intervention. It is not about
medicines, they don't want | 1:27:31 | 1:27:34 | |
medication, they want support to
look after their children in their | 1:27:34 | 1:27:37 | |
own homes. And we actually need
better support for respite as well | 1:27:37 | 1:27:42 | |
because you can much better look
after your child if you have the | 1:27:42 | 1:27:48 | |
break. After the support packages
that are put in place are not | 1:27:48 | 1:27:54 | |
fulfilled, whether it is due to lack
of staffing or long waiting lists | 1:27:54 | 1:28:00 | |
and so, what looks good on paper
doesn't necessarily come through in | 1:28:00 | 1:28:05 | |
practise and the families don't
necessarily receive the support that | 1:28:05 | 1:28:07 | |
they should be receiving. So you are
promised something, but it doesn't | 1:28:07 | 1:28:11 | |
materialise? I have had to make
formal complaints about my son's | 1:28:11 | 1:28:18 | |
respite provider because we were
going four months without a break | 1:28:18 | 1:28:21 | |
and hopefully that's been resolved
now and things put into place, but | 1:28:21 | 1:28:24 | |
often families are promised
something and that's not fulfilled | 1:28:24 | 1:28:27 | |
in practise so there is a gap. What
help do you want? I think the | 1:28:27 | 1:28:36 | |
fundamental issue in many, many
situations is that the assessment | 1:28:36 | 1:28:43 | |
process and the provision, the
assessment process actually comes | 1:28:43 | 1:28:47 | |
from the starting point of the
individual and the family rather | 1:28:47 | 1:28:50 | |
than what services do provide and
what services can provide. In that | 1:28:50 | 1:28:55 | |
way you actually start to get - we
have been talking about person | 1:28:55 | 1:29:00 | |
centred care and person centred
planning for years, but actually | 1:29:00 | 1:29:03 | |
making that happen is a challenge to
professionals, it is a challenge for | 1:29:03 | 1:29:06 | |
professionals to start to begin to
act and work as your support rather | 1:29:06 | 1:29:13 | |
than a gatekeeper for services.
Let me read you some messages from | 1:29:13 | 1:29:18 | |
people watch you around the country.
This e-mail from Blossom, "Children | 1:29:18 | 1:29:27 | |
with high functioning autism can
also be very violent and exhausting | 1:29:27 | 1:29:30 | |
to care for. I ended up with an
emergency spinal injury following a | 1:29:30 | 1:29:35 | |
meltdown by our child. Efficients
11. We usually have one or two | 1:29:35 | 1:29:38 | |
emergency social workers on call for
the county of Lincolnshire due to | 1:29:38 | 1:29:42 | |
cuts. It is no longer an emergency
service, we live with frequent | 1:29:42 | 1:29:48 | |
injury and major damage to our
home." This texter says, "Our son is | 1:29:48 | 1:29:53 | |
six and has very violent episodes
especially during the school | 1:29:53 | 1:29:56 | |
holidays, he is verbal and bright,
but lashes out when he's suffering | 1:29:56 | 1:30:00 | |
extreme anxiety. I am usually
covered in bruises. We've been | 1:30:00 | 1:30:04 | |
offered help, but this was limited
and we were discharged after several | 1:30:04 | 1:30:07 | |
months. None of the support we were
offered helped when our son was in | 1:30:07 | 1:30:11 | |
crisis and lashing out. This is when
parents need the support. It's so | 1:30:11 | 1:30:15 | |
hard. He doesn't mean to hurt, it is
a reaction to anxiety. At six, he's | 1:30:15 | 1:30:21 | |
very strong, but we can just about
manage, but I am terrified of the | 1:30:21 | 1:30:27 | |
consequences as he gets older and
becomes stronger." That's a | 1:30:27 | 1:30:31 | |
despairing scenario for a parent to
find themselves in. | 1:30:31 | 1:30:38 | |
I am a doctor by background, but I
wasn't elected to Parliament at the | 1:30:38 | 1:30:43 | |
last election, and parents often
feel they are not being prioritised, | 1:30:43 | 1:30:47 | |
and I hope, I think that politics
has the power to change this, if it | 1:30:47 | 1:30:52 | |
is prioritised, and we get the
systems and structures right. It is | 1:30:52 | 1:30:55 | |
really important not to stigmatise,
this is never the fault of the | 1:30:55 | 1:31:02 | |
children that are often experiencing
great frustration, sometimes the | 1:31:02 | 1:31:08 | |
expression that we see of violent
behaviour is because of how | 1:31:08 | 1:31:12 | |
sensitive they are to changes in
their environment, and so we need to | 1:31:12 | 1:31:17 | |
support, not stigmatise, and we need
to make sure this is given a real | 1:31:17 | 1:31:20 | |
priority. Thank you all very much,
thank you for coming on the | 1:31:20 | 1:31:23 | |
programme. Thank you. | 1:31:23 | 1:31:26 | |
In the last half-hour of the
programme, we will talk to the | 1:31:26 | 1:31:30 | |
university student from Bristol who
was put on trial after police found | 1:31:30 | 1:31:33 | |
a copy of the terrorism manual The
Anarchist Cookbook underneath his | 1:31:33 | 1:31:36 | |
bed. | 1:31:36 | 1:31:41 | |
He's now been cleared
of that charge, | 1:31:41 | 1:31:43 | |
and we followed him
throughout the trial. | 1:31:43 | 1:31:47 | |
And calling all students, should the
Government scrap interest on student | 1:31:47 | 1:31:50 | |
loans to help avoid a future debt
crisis? We will talk to some | 1:31:50 | 1:31:55 | |
undergraduates to get their thoughts
in the next half-hour. | 1:31:55 | 1:32:01 | |
Time for the latest
news, here's Annita. | 1:32:01 | 1:32:05 | |
The headlines on BBC News: | 1:32:05 | 1:32:09 | |
The Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey
has been accused of making | 1:32:09 | 1:32:12 | |
a sexual advance towards a child
actor more than 30 years ago. | 1:32:12 | 1:32:15 | |
The Star Trek actor Anthony Rapp
said Mr Spacey had placed him | 1:32:15 | 1:32:18 | |
on a bed and climbed
on top of him when he was 14. | 1:32:18 | 1:32:21 | |
Kevin Spacey has responded
on Twitter, | 1:32:21 | 1:32:22 | |
saying he does not
remember the incident, | 1:32:22 | 1:32:24 | |
but if it had happened, | 1:32:24 | 1:32:25 | |
it would have been deeply
inappropriate and drunken behaviour. | 1:32:25 | 1:32:29 | |
The Leader of the House of Commons | 1:32:29 | 1:32:31 | |
is being asked to make
an urgent statement, | 1:32:31 | 1:32:34 | |
amid allegations of
widespread inappropriate sexual | 1:32:34 | 1:32:35 | |
behaviour in Westminster. | 1:32:35 | 1:32:37 | |
Yesterday, the Prime Minister
proposed a new system | 1:32:37 | 1:32:39 | |
for dealing with claims
of harassment, | 1:32:39 | 1:32:41 | |
saying the reputation of Parliament
had to be protected. | 1:32:41 | 1:32:43 | |
Unverified lists
of MPs accused of misconduct | 1:32:43 | 1:32:45 | |
are reportedly circulating
in Westminster. | 1:32:45 | 1:32:48 | |
Earlier, Kat Smith told
the Victoria of her | 1:32:48 | 1:32:52 | |
The parents of autistic children
are not being properly supported | 1:32:55 | 1:32:57 | |
in dealing with violent behaviour,
according to a charity. | 1:32:57 | 1:33:00 | |
This programme has spoken
to families who say | 1:33:00 | 1:33:01 | |
they're not getting enough help
from local authorities, | 1:33:01 | 1:33:03 | |
while they face violent outbursts
from their children, | 1:33:03 | 1:33:07 | |
including kicking and headbutting. | 1:33:07 | 1:33:09 | |
The National Autistic Society says
that a special educational needs | 1:33:09 | 1:33:12 | |
system needs to be put in place
to provide the support needed | 1:33:12 | 1:33:15 | |
to de-escalate violent behaviour. | 1:33:15 | 1:33:23 | |
A leading cancer charity
has appointed | 1:33:23 | 1:33:25 | |
what it calls a digital nurse
to combat so-called | 1:33:25 | 1:33:27 | |
fake news about the disease. | 1:33:27 | 1:33:28 | |
Macmillan Cancer Support says
the internet is full of unverified | 1:33:28 | 1:33:32 | |
statistics and bogus treatment
suggestions which mislead | 1:33:32 | 1:33:34 | |
often frightened patients. | 1:33:34 | 1:33:36 | |
It says it wants to provide
clear advice online | 1:33:36 | 1:33:38 | |
about diagnosis and treatment. | 1:33:38 | 1:33:47 | |
That is a summary of the latest BBC
News. | 1:33:47 | 1:33:51 | |
News just in, counterterrorism
officers say they have arrested two | 1:33:51 | 1:33:55 | |
14-year-old boys from North
Yorkshire on suspicion of preparing | 1:33:55 | 1:33:58 | |
for an act of terrorism. Pete boys
have been taken to a police station | 1:33:58 | 1:34:03 | |
in west Yorkshire for questioning.
-- the two boys. They say they are | 1:34:03 | 1:34:08 | |
from Northallerton and the searchers
are ongoing at a number of | 1:34:08 | 1:34:11 | |
properties in North Yorkshire. --
the searches. Police say, quote, we | 1:34:11 | 1:34:28 | |
understand that people may have
concerns as a result of this | 1:34:28 | 1:34:31 | |
activity, and we are grateful for
the patience and understanding of | 1:34:31 | 1:34:35 | |
the public as these inquiries are
carried out. Olly Foster has all the | 1:34:35 | 1:34:38 | |
sport. Lewis Hamilton has become the
most successful British driver in | 1:34:38 | 1:34:44 | |
Formula One. The only finished ninth
in Mexico, but that was enough to | 1:34:44 | 1:34:49 | |
take the title for a fourth time.
Claude Puel's first game in charge | 1:34:49 | 1:35:18 | |
Feeling the heat - Josh is hard
at work as a kitchen hand. | 1:36:12 | 1:36:16 | |
His life as a university student
on hold, while he waits to find out | 1:36:16 | 1:36:25 | |
what's in store for him. | 1:36:26 | 1:36:28 | |
In just over a week,
Josh is due in court in Birmingham | 1:36:28 | 1:36:31 | |
to face charges of terrorism. | 1:36:31 | 1:36:32 | |
We've been given exclusive access
to this remarkable ordeal. | 1:36:32 | 1:36:34 | |
If he's found guilty,
he could go to jail for ten years. | 1:36:34 | 1:36:37 | |
A terrorism charge,
that's a big deal. | 1:36:37 | 1:36:41 | |
If I go to prison over this, well,
it would be a ridiculous | 1:36:41 | 1:36:44 | |
miscarriage of justice. | 1:36:44 | 1:36:52 | |
EXPLOSION. | 1:36:52 | 1:36:58 | |
A year ago, Josh was in Syria,
against Foreign Office advice, | 1:36:58 | 1:37:01 | |
having joined Kurdish militia
in the fight against | 1:37:01 | 1:37:03 | |
so-called Islamic State. | 1:37:03 | 1:37:04 | |
When we met up with him,
he'd returned safely home to Bristol | 1:37:04 | 1:37:07 | |
with an extraordinary story. | 1:37:07 | 1:37:12 | |
You felt strongly enough to pick up
a gun and do something about it. | 1:37:12 | 1:37:16 | |
But surely that's the same sort
of sentiment a terrorist has? | 1:37:16 | 1:37:20 | |
There's a big difference
between those who wish to commit | 1:37:20 | 1:37:22 | |
genocide and those who wish to stop
people from committing genocide. | 1:37:22 | 1:37:29 | |
But no words really to describe
being under aerial bombardment. | 1:37:29 | 1:37:33 | |
All you can do, essentially, is keep
your head down and hope it stops. | 1:37:33 | 1:37:40 | |
I'm meeting up with Josh in the same
cafe where we talked back in March. | 1:37:40 | 1:37:45 | |
Last time I saw you,
you'd recently come back from Syria. | 1:37:45 | 1:37:48 | |
Now this. | 1:37:48 | 1:37:48 | |
What happened? | 1:37:48 | 1:37:50 | |
So, obviously they arrested
me when I returned. | 1:37:50 | 1:37:55 | |
When they went to search my room,
they found a partial copy | 1:37:55 | 1:37:59 | |
of The Anarchist Cookbook,
which I had printed off | 1:37:59 | 1:38:05 | |
about two years ago and I had
completely forgotten about. | 1:38:05 | 1:38:14 | |
And so in the context, obviously,
it didn't look the best. | 1:38:14 | 1:38:17 | |
What the police had found
in a drawer under his bed were pages | 1:38:17 | 1:38:20 | |
of a 46-year-old American
publication, The Anarchist Cookbook. | 1:38:20 | 1:38:25 | |
It was enough for Josh to be
charged under Section 58 | 1:38:25 | 1:38:28 | |
of the Terrorism Act for possessing
information likely to be | 1:38:28 | 1:38:30 | |
of use to a terrorist. | 1:38:30 | 1:38:36 | |
They couldn't prosecute me
for going to Syria, | 1:38:36 | 1:38:39 | |
so they are getting me on this
stupid university thing, | 1:38:39 | 1:38:43 | |
just to cause trouble for those
of us who go and help the Kurds. | 1:38:43 | 1:38:48 | |
Life is undoubtedly
stressful with a criminal | 1:38:48 | 1:38:49 | |
charge hanging over you. | 1:38:49 | 1:38:52 | |
But at work in Bristol, Josh's
colleagues are right behind him. | 1:38:52 | 1:38:57 | |
I was quite surprised
I heard about it. | 1:39:20 | 1:39:25 | |
You look at Josh and
you don't really think | 1:39:25 | 1:39:27 | |
he looks like a terrorist. | 1:39:27 | 1:39:29 | |
I was a shocked, really,
shocked and surprised | 1:39:29 | 1:39:31 | |
by what he's going through. | 1:39:31 | 1:39:35 | |
I want to have a closer look
at The Anarchist Cookbook. | 1:39:35 | 1:39:38 | |
Owning a copy is easy. | 1:39:38 | 1:39:40 | |
In fact, you can buy it online. | 1:39:40 | 1:39:45 | |
That's it. | 1:39:45 | 1:39:47 | |
It's on its way. | 1:39:47 | 1:39:51 | |
Welcome to passengers who joined
the service at Swindon. | 1:39:51 | 1:39:53 | |
It's now just a few
days until the trial. | 1:39:53 | 1:39:56 | |
And Josh is off to London
to meet his lawyer. | 1:39:56 | 1:40:00 | |
There's a chance things can go
wrong, people can think | 1:40:00 | 1:40:04 | |
all kinds of stupid stuff. | 1:40:04 | 1:40:07 | |
But I feel like worrying too much
is a waste of energy. | 1:40:07 | 1:40:10 | |
Anyway, it's just more preparation. | 1:40:10 | 1:40:19 | |
Fortunately for Josh,
he's qualifying for Legal Aid, | 1:40:19 | 1:40:21 | |
which means the state is paying
for a top barrister to defend him. | 1:40:21 | 1:40:24 | |
But is this case a waste
of public money? | 1:40:24 | 1:40:26 | |
If what he did in Syria is worthy
of criminal sanction, | 1:40:26 | 1:40:29 | |
then litigate that. | 1:40:29 | 1:40:32 | |
But to merely find a book gathering
dust in a drawer under his bed, | 1:40:32 | 1:40:35 | |
in his student room,
and to prosecute that under | 1:40:35 | 1:40:37 | |
terrorist legislation,
does strike me as deeply worrying. | 1:40:37 | 1:40:42 | |
If the Director of Public
Prosecutions really thinks this | 1:40:42 | 1:40:44 | |
book shouldn't exist,
shouldn't be accessible, | 1:40:44 | 1:40:46 | |
why hasn't he gone after Amazon
rather than a part-time | 1:40:46 | 1:40:48 | |
student from Bristol? | 1:40:48 | 1:40:51 | |
This wouldn't be the first time
that someone with a copy | 1:40:51 | 1:40:54 | |
of The Anarchist Cookbook
has been convicted. | 1:40:54 | 1:40:57 | |
But, in other cases,
there was other compelling evidence, | 1:40:57 | 1:41:00 | |
not just the book on its own. | 1:41:00 | 1:41:04 | |
Back in Bristol,
the post has arrived. | 1:41:04 | 1:41:08 | |
So, here it is.
My copy of The Anarchist Cookbook. | 1:41:08 | 1:41:11 | |
If I was Josh Walker,
just owning this book | 1:41:11 | 1:41:13 | |
would be enough to land me
with terrorism charges. | 1:41:13 | 1:41:17 | |
So, what's all the fuss about? | 1:41:17 | 1:41:21 | |
Looking at the contents page,
it's not what I thought. | 1:41:21 | 1:41:23 | |
Chapter one deals with drugs. | 1:41:23 | 1:41:25 | |
Chapter two electronics,
sabotage and surveillance. | 1:41:25 | 1:41:27 | |
Chapter three, weapons. | 1:41:27 | 1:41:31 | |
Chapter four - the most useful
to a potential terrorist - | 1:41:31 | 1:41:36 | |
covers explosives and booby-traps. | 1:41:36 | 1:41:41 | |
Recipes and formulae for making
things like nitroglycerin, | 1:41:41 | 1:41:43 | |
TNT and Molotov cocktails. | 1:41:43 | 1:41:46 | |
So what on earth was Josh
doing with the book? | 1:41:46 | 1:41:50 | |
In Birmingham, his trial
is about to start. | 1:41:50 | 1:41:56 | |
Outside the court, members
of the local Kurdish community | 1:41:56 | 1:42:00 | |
are here to show support -
and Josh's mum. | 1:42:00 | 1:42:04 | |
How does your mother feel about it? | 1:42:04 | 1:42:07 | |
She's not incredibly happy
with me, I'm pretty sure. | 1:42:07 | 1:42:09 | |
And of course she's worried. | 1:42:09 | 1:42:14 | |
Inside the court, Josh confirms
he did download large portions | 1:42:14 | 1:42:19 | |
of The Anarchist Cookbook,
but he had a legitimate reason. | 1:42:19 | 1:42:25 | |
I've been listening
to what's going on in there. | 1:42:25 | 1:42:27 | |
Josh told the court that
at university he was involved | 1:42:27 | 1:42:29 | |
in something called
the Crisis Game Society, | 1:42:29 | 1:42:31 | |
where they re-enacted
historical scenarios involving | 1:42:31 | 1:42:33 | |
terrorism and genocide. | 1:42:33 | 1:42:36 | |
Josh bought the book, he says,
because he wanted to bring | 1:42:36 | 1:42:39 | |
accuracy to the scenarios. | 1:42:39 | 1:42:42 | |
When the games ended,
rather than dispose of the book, | 1:42:42 | 1:42:46 | |
he put it in a drawer under his bed,
where it was found by the police. | 1:42:46 | 1:42:53 | |
The next day, Josh
takes to the stand. | 1:43:04 | 1:43:07 | |
Afterwards, he is visibly exhausted. | 1:43:07 | 1:43:10 | |
Yeah, quite tired.
Still got another day to go. | 1:43:10 | 1:43:20 | |
Well, all the evidence has now been
heard and it's up to the jury | 1:43:20 | 1:43:24 | |
to decide whether that book
in the drawer under Josh's bed | 1:43:24 | 1:43:26 | |
could really be used for terrorism. | 1:43:26 | 1:43:29 | |
It's verdict day and both Josh's
parents are with him. | 1:44:01 | 1:44:06 | |
The wait is a nervous one. | 1:44:06 | 1:44:09 | |
It's a waste of taxpayers' money,
it's a waste of my time. | 1:44:09 | 1:44:12 | |
If I go to prison over this, well,
you know, it would be | 1:44:12 | 1:44:15 | |
a ridiculous miscarriage
of justice, essentially. | 1:44:15 | 1:44:19 | |
It's disproportionate,
it's not necessary to interfere | 1:44:19 | 1:44:21 | |
with what, in legal terms,
is Josh's right to have, | 1:44:21 | 1:44:24 | |
share and gather information,
unless it would actually do | 1:44:24 | 1:44:28 | |
something to lessen
the risk of terrorism. | 1:44:28 | 1:44:29 | |
Which, in his case,
it obviously doesn't. | 1:44:29 | 1:44:38 | |
The jury takes less
than an hour to decide. | 1:44:38 | 1:44:44 | |
Josh is not guilty. | 1:44:44 | 1:44:46 | |
For his mum, huge relief and also
anger that it happened at all. | 1:44:46 | 1:44:53 | |
Really emotional
and really stressful. | 1:44:53 | 1:44:54 | |
The whole experience
has been so surreal, | 1:44:54 | 1:44:58 | |
it's been hard to call
what the outcome would be, | 1:44:58 | 1:45:01 | |
because the fact that we are here
in the first place is just | 1:45:01 | 1:45:04 | |
an absolute waste
of taxpayers' money. | 1:45:04 | 1:45:06 | |
It makes me quite angry. | 1:45:06 | 1:45:07 | |
It's cost tens of thousands of
pounds, but justice has been served. | 1:45:07 | 1:45:10 | |
Josh is innocent. | 1:45:10 | 1:45:13 | |
But he doesn't escape
a scolding from his mum. | 1:45:13 | 1:45:15 | |
He has he's got a lot
to make up for. | 1:45:15 | 1:45:18 | |
He's got a lot of grovelling
to do, haven't you? | 1:45:18 | 1:45:20 | |
Yes. | 1:45:20 | 1:45:22 | |
And he'd better not do anything
for the next 20 years that may | 1:45:22 | 1:45:26 | |
cause me any worry at all. | 1:45:26 | 1:45:28 | |
That might be a little difficult,
but I'll do my best. | 1:45:28 | 1:45:31 | |
He can do his best. | 1:45:31 | 1:45:34 | |
You can see more of that report
on Inside Out West tonight. | 1:45:40 | 1:45:45 | |
Scrapping interest on student loans
and extending the time | 1:45:47 | 1:45:53 | |
limit on paying them
back could help to avoid | 1:45:53 | 1:45:55 | |
a future debt crisis. | 1:45:55 | 1:45:57 | |
That's according to a conservative
leaning think tank called UK 2020 | 1:45:57 | 1:46:00 | |
which says such measures
would "bring down costs" | 1:46:00 | 1:46:02 | |
for students and graduates. | 1:46:02 | 1:46:07 | |
Let's talk to the report's main
editor and the editor of the student | 1:46:07 | 1:46:14 | |
newspaper. | 1:46:14 | 1:46:22 | |
What's the problem? There is a
problem with student loans. 40% will | 1:46:22 | 1:46:25 | |
have to be written off by the
Government over time and students | 1:46:25 | 1:46:29 | |
don't know how much they have got to
pay back. They can't afford the | 1:46:29 | 1:46:32 | |
interest let alone repaying the
capital. We worked out that the | 1:46:32 | 1:46:35 | |
Government could afford to write off
all of the historic student loans of | 1:46:35 | 1:46:39 | |
£11 billion because they have
already provided for that loss in | 1:46:39 | 1:46:43 | |
their accounts and then charged no
future interest on student loans. So | 1:46:43 | 1:46:47 | |
you are basically reorganising the
deal between the country, the State, | 1:46:47 | 1:46:52 | |
and students so yes, students would
still have to repay the capital, so | 1:46:52 | 1:46:57 | |
they wouldn't have interest on the
loans so they would know how much | 1:46:57 | 1:47:01 | |
interest, but they would have to pay
it over a longer period which would | 1:47:01 | 1:47:06 | |
increase the recovery rates, up to
about 80%, and therefore, it would | 1:47:06 | 1:47:09 | |
be a better deal for the students,
the taxpayers and parents if they | 1:47:09 | 1:47:12 | |
are involved too. | 1:47:12 | 1:47:23 | |
Cirsy? When they were risen to
#6.1%, the IF saismtd it was the | 1:47:28 | 1:47:36 | |
main reason that students wouldn't
be able to repay their loans. I | 1:47:36 | 1:47:38 | |
don't think that's, I don't think
that's a new benefit. In terms of | 1:47:38 | 1:47:45 | |
increasing the time from 30 years to
50 years, there is positive benefits | 1:47:45 | 1:47:49 | |
to that will. Positives and
negatives, sorry, the negatives are | 1:47:49 | 1:47:53 | |
that it would increase the time the
anxiety is above students heads, it | 1:47:53 | 1:47:57 | |
makes it longer for them to repay,
but the positive is that the | 1:47:57 | 1:48:02 | |
repayments are smaller so when they
are on lower salaries, when they | 1:48:02 | 1:48:05 | |
just graduate, the monthly
repayments are more manageable, but | 1:48:05 | 1:48:09 | |
I do find it counter-intuitive that
you're going to be paying your | 1:48:09 | 1:48:12 | |
student loan out of your pension
pot. | 1:48:12 | 1:48:16 | |
Let's get more more reaction from
UCL You like the current system. I | 1:48:16 | 1:48:28 | |
like the idea of it increasing to
50. Over 50 years. That makes sense | 1:48:28 | 1:48:33 | |
unless people are retiring at 50. No
one retires at 50 let alone in | 1:48:33 | 1:48:38 | |
future years. Yes. I see no reason
to scrap the interest. All that does | 1:48:38 | 1:48:43 | |
is decease the value of the loan.
Why are you suggesting scrapping the | 1:48:43 | 1:48:48 | |
interest? 40% to 50% of student
loans, the capital and the interest | 1:48:48 | 1:48:54 | |
will not be repaid by students and
therefore, the Government and the | 1:48:54 | 1:48:58 | |
taxpayer is going to have to pick up
the bill and the forecast is that by | 1:48:58 | 1:49:02 | |
the mid-2020s, the Government may
have to write off over £100 billion | 1:49:02 | 1:49:06 | |
of student loans when it becomes
clear how few repayments are made. | 1:49:06 | 1:49:09 | |
That's why. Surely all they have to,
they will be writing off more money | 1:49:09 | 1:49:15 | |
by that system, right? The current
system? The amount of money paid is | 1:49:15 | 1:49:22 | |
still the same and the value of the
degree is the same, but you are not | 1:49:22 | 1:49:25 | |
getting the interest back. Correct.
So essentially, the different deal | 1:49:25 | 1:49:29 | |
would be that the Government is
picking up the tab for the interest, | 1:49:29 | 1:49:35 | |
the student still has to repay the
capital, buff a longer period. | 1:49:35 | 1:49:39 | |
Instead of having to pay it at back
at 9%, it could be paid back at 7% | 1:49:39 | 1:49:46 | |
and inflation will erode the value
of the capital of the debt over that | 1:49:46 | 1:49:49 | |
longer period and make it easier and
therefore, it shouldn't affect | 1:49:49 | 1:49:53 | |
Kirsty's concern about pension pots
which is a valid concern. Is the | 1:49:53 | 1:49:57 | |
Universities Minister listening? We
hope that the government will take | 1:49:57 | 1:49:59 | |
on board the suggestions. They have
announced a review, we don't know | 1:49:59 | 1:50:02 | |
the detail of that review, but these
proposals are with the Government. | 1:50:02 | 1:50:05 | |
With we know they are looking at it
and we're hopeful they will take | 1:50:05 | 1:50:10 | |
serious consideration of them. Thank
you. I'm sorry, it was brief. Thank | 1:50:10 | 1:50:13 | |
you for coming in. We appreciate it
and thank you to Kirsty too. | 1:50:13 | 1:50:26 | |
You have been painting a picture of
lack of support for autistic | 1:50:27 | 1:50:32 | |
children. The Local Government say
they have been put in an impossible | 1:50:32 | 1:50:36 | |
situation due to demand and historic
under funding. We're going to talk | 1:50:36 | 1:50:40 | |
to some of you who got in touch this
morning. Tony Hallett whose | 1:50:40 | 1:50:45 | |
four-year-old daughter is autistic
and also violent. Tony is in | 1:50:45 | 1:50:48 | |
Lancashire. Welcome Tony. Also with
us in Surrey is Josephine Larcher | 1:50:48 | 1:50:54 | |
whose daughter is violent and in
Cornwall, Michelle Hook who has | 1:50:54 | 1:50:58 | |
three autistic children, two of whom
can be violent. Thank you for | 1:50:58 | 1:51:02 | |
talking to us. We really appreciate
it. Tony, give us a little insight | 1:51:02 | 1:51:09 | |
into your daily life. OK. So my
daughter is four. She has two | 1:51:09 | 1:51:16 | |
siblings who are younger than her.
She wants to try and hug them, but | 1:51:16 | 1:51:21 | |
she can be quite violent towards
them so it will be a hug around the | 1:51:21 | 1:51:25 | |
neck and choking them. When she is
aggravated, she can bite, drawing | 1:51:25 | 1:51:33 | |
blood and she can pinch, but they
have no ability to stop... The | 1:51:33 | 1:51:42 | |
pinches can turn into nasty bruises.
She is only four and I worry this is | 1:51:42 | 1:51:48 | |
going to increase, I worry it will
get worse. Josephine, hello. You | 1:51:48 | 1:51:53 | |
have a six-year-old daughter who has
been lashing out, I think, since the | 1:51:53 | 1:51:57 | |
age of about three, is that right?
That's right, yes. How tough is it? | 1:51:57 | 1:52:01 | |
It's very tough. I can echo a lot of
what Toni has just said the worry | 1:52:01 | 1:52:09 | |
for her younger sibling is huge. She
hits, kicks, head-butts on a regular | 1:52:09 | 1:52:16 | |
basis, myself, my husband and our
daughter. She has pushed her | 1:52:16 | 1:52:22 | |
two-year-old sister down the stairs
and she has gone to strangle her and | 1:52:22 | 1:52:27 | |
it is the unpredictability of her
behaviour. She might be kissing her | 1:52:27 | 1:52:31 | |
sister on the hand and the next
minute she is biting her. Let me ask | 1:52:31 | 1:52:35 | |
you and a brief yes or no,
Josephine, have you had any help | 1:52:35 | 1:52:40 | |
from the NHS for example? Very
little. OK. Your county council, | 1:52:40 | 1:52:48 | |
Surrey County Council? No. No, we
have gone through the people to get | 1:52:48 | 1:52:55 | |
the support at school and I asked
for a carer's assessment from social | 1:52:55 | 1:52:59 | |
services and they said they couldn't
provide that, but their job is | 1:52:59 | 1:53:02 | |
safeguarding children, even though
it's a safeguarding issue for my | 1:53:02 | 1:53:05 | |
youngest. It really is. They are not
interested in looking at that. | 1:53:05 | 1:53:09 | |
Michelle, hello, welcome, thank you
for talking to me. We really | 1:53:09 | 1:53:12 | |
appreciate it. You have three
children with autism aged 23, 15, | 1:53:12 | 1:53:16 | |
and 11. Yes. And two of them have
been extremely violent. What help | 1:53:16 | 1:53:21 | |
have you asked for and what help
have you received? After my ribs | 1:53:21 | 1:53:26 | |
were cracked by my son, after just
asking him to get in the car, he | 1:53:26 | 1:53:30 | |
didn't want to sit-in the seat that
I asked him to get in, I asked for | 1:53:30 | 1:53:36 | |
help. I asked the social services to
help us. We have dealt with social | 1:53:36 | 1:53:42 | |
services in the past because we have
children with additional needs and | 1:53:42 | 1:53:45 | |
we have had to ask them for help
before. And what was forthcoming? | 1:53:45 | 1:53:51 | |
Well, essentially I was told if I
couldn't cope then and I can't cope | 1:53:51 | 1:53:55 | |
now because of our family situation
that they would have to put our kids | 1:53:55 | 1:53:58 | |
in care.
Wow. It terrifies me and I just | 1:53:58 | 1:54:04 | |
withdrew everything that I had asked
for and said I don't actually need | 1:54:04 | 1:54:07 | |
your help now. Because you would
rather try and cope and keep the | 1:54:07 | 1:54:12 | |
family together obviously?
Absolutely. We just asked for some | 1:54:12 | 1:54:16 | |
help, not anything else.
Wow. I mean, Toni, what do you think | 1:54:16 | 1:54:24 | |
of Michelle's story? It's horrific.
We had a similar experience with | 1:54:24 | 1:54:29 | |
social services. They said that
Daisy didn't require any more help | 1:54:29 | 1:54:33 | |
or care than a normal three-year-old
which is ridiculous. It wasn't until | 1:54:33 | 1:54:37 | |
we started privately funding A BA
ourselves that we saw an improvement | 1:54:37 | 1:54:43 | |
in Daisy's needs. What is ABa, I
don't know? It is applied behaviour | 1:54:43 | 1:54:49 | |
approach. It is similar to the
approach the lady was talking about | 1:54:49 | 1:54:52 | |
before. It modifies behaviours. It
was shown on a programme negatively | 1:54:52 | 1:54:59 | |
recently, but in England, we have
got some very good practises of it | 1:54:59 | 1:55:03 | |
with some great groups like Focus
Liverpool, that really, really help | 1:55:03 | 1:55:09 | |
those negative behaviours. It's
really helping Daisy to have a voice | 1:55:09 | 1:55:13 | |
and to stop herself injuring and
hugging her sister appropriately. Do | 1:55:13 | 1:55:17 | |
you mind me asking how much that's
costing you? £30,000 a year. £30,000 | 1:55:17 | 1:55:21 | |
a year? Yes.
Wow. OK. That's very expensive and | 1:55:21 | 1:55:30 | |
prohibitive for many, many people
obviously. We are applying for the | 1:55:30 | 1:55:34 | |
LEA to fund it within and we are
taking them to trial over that. OK. | 1:55:34 | 1:55:43 | |
So Josephine, listening to all of
you, it is a constant battle, isn't | 1:55:43 | 1:55:47 | |
did, to get some kind of help? It
is. I think it's so little under | 1:55:47 | 1:55:54 | |
understood the ed are there to
protect our children from adults, | 1:55:54 | 1:55:57 | |
they are not there to safeguard
against siblings and proltected | 1:55:57 | 1:56:00 | |
parents. It's just, because it's
outside of most people's | 1:56:00 | 1:56:04 | |
understanding, you know, most
parents cannot imagine their child | 1:56:04 | 1:56:07 | |
hurting them to that extent. I think
that's the problem with | 1:56:07 | 1:56:11 | |
professionals and this hasn't been
spoken about and therefore, it is | 1:56:11 | 1:56:16 | |
all undercover hopefully with the
work your programme has done today, | 1:56:16 | 1:56:18 | |
it will come out and it will start
the conversation and people will | 1:56:18 | 1:56:22 | |
begin to understand that there are
so many thousands of parents and | 1:56:22 | 1:56:25 | |
families suffering out there. They
are really struggling. What are you | 1:56:25 | 1:56:30 | |
going to do Josephine? Luckily my
little one is now three, my youngest | 1:56:30 | 1:56:36 | |
and she can stand up for herself
pretty well. I still have to be | 1:56:36 | 1:56:41 | |
vigilant. She gets a lot of support
at school because she is violent at | 1:56:41 | 1:56:45 | |
school as well towards other pupils
which is always fun in the | 1:56:45 | 1:56:49 | |
playground when you see other
parents. That is difficult because | 1:56:49 | 1:56:52 | |
the judgment is obviously oh, your
child is out of control. Your child | 1:56:52 | 1:56:56 | |
is ever so naughty. Whereas the
reality is, she just, her behaviour | 1:56:56 | 1:57:02 | |
is her call for help. It's not
right. I hate it. The idea that my | 1:57:02 | 1:57:07 | |
child is hurting other children. She
hurts my own child, my youngest one, | 1:57:07 | 1:57:14 | |
but that's very difficult for people
to understand. Yeah. I'm going to | 1:57:14 | 1:57:18 | |
read some comments from other people
watching around the country if I | 1:57:18 | 1:57:21 | |
may. Kath tweeted, "Good reporting
about the severe side of autism | 1:57:21 | 1:57:27 | |
which is often so hidden." This E I
will matter doesn't leave their | 1:57:27 | 1:57:33 | |
name, but says, "I am a police
officer being directed to prosecute | 1:57:33 | 1:57:39 | |
a 18-year-old severely awe stack
male over threats he made when he | 1:57:39 | 1:57:48 | |
was attempting to burn himself his
college have suspended." Hayley | 1:57:48 | 1:57:55 | |
says, "My son is nine and in a
constant the state of anxiety having | 1:57:55 | 1:57:58 | |
been discharged by social services,
I get attacked daily. I'm a single | 1:57:58 | 1:58:05 | |
parent and I have had to fight for
help. We don't leave the house | 1:58:05 | 1:58:09 | |
unless absolutely necessary because
of the dangers involved with my | 1:58:09 | 1:58:12 | |
son." Michelle and Josephine and
Toni, thank you for coming on the | 1:58:12 | 1:58:17 | |
programme. Really nice to talk to
you. Thank you. | 1:58:17 | 1:58:21 | |
On the programme tomorrow,
we look at how people fleeing | 1:58:21 | 1:58:24 | |
domestic violence can struggle
to get housed by local authorities. | 1:58:24 | 1:58:26 | |
Thank you very much for your company
today. Back tomorrow at 9am. Have a | 1:58:26 | 1:58:30 | |
good day. | 1:58:30 | 1:58:33 |