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Hello, it's Tuesday, it's nine

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

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Welcome to the programme.

Our top story today...

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The government's going to cut

the maximum stake on fixed-odds

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betting terminals, known

as the crack cocaine

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of gambling, from £100

per spin to somewhere

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between 50 and £2.

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I just went to the counter and I

said 500. I lost that in the space

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of a a few minutes. A thousand, lost

that. And another thousand. I had no

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more money in my bank account.

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We'll get reaction from some

of those who've lost thousands

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and thousand of pounds to these

machines - and from those

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in the betting industry.

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Also this morning, women

fleeing domestic abuse have

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told this programme they're

being left homeless because councils

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are failing to provide them with

suitable temporary accommodation.

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Basically begging and every day not

knowing where you are going to be

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sleeping. At the same time trying to

put on a happy face to be supportive

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for the children.

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That full exclusive report in around

half an hour's time.

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And Defence Secretary Sir Michael

Fallon has confirmed he was once

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told off by a journalist for putting

his hand on her knee during dinner.

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We bring you reaction.

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Hello.

Welcome to the programme.

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We're live until 11.

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Latest breaking news and developing

stories as always this morning.

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Plus, a little later we'll look

at claims that some of Britain's

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most successful Paralympic athletes

won their gold medals unfairly.

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UK Athletics stand accused

of manipulating the classification

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system in order to win medals.

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Do get in touch on all the stories

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Our top story today...

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The government has proposed reducing

the amount of money that can be

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staked on fixed-odds betting

terminals, to protect players

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from racking up huge losses.

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Betting companies earn about £1.8

billion a year from the machines,

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which critics have described

as the "crack cocaine" of gambling.

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Newsbeat's Jim Connolly is with me.

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So what kind of proposals are out

there?

Is a general gambling review,

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looking at online gambling,

advertising. Today's focus is on

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fixed odd machines, because they

have become such a toxic issue four

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of the government and society in

general. People are very -- during

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the stories about putting hundreds

of pounds and machines. At the

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minute if you have a special

cardigan going to your bookmakers,

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loaded up and spin a roulette wheel.

The proposals today are to bring

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those limits down to be -- to summer

between £2 and £50. If you can only

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put £2 into the machine, the chances

of winning our lower, the chances of

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getting addicted to add are lower.

The gambling industry are not happy.

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They say if you hit that £2 limit.

You will wipe out half of British

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gambling shops. Bookmakers will

close. 20,000 to 30,000 jobs are at

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stake. It's not football bringing in

the money any more. It is these

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machines. There are limited to four

per shot. If you go down a high

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street you will often see two the

same bookmaker. It is profitable to

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have four of these machines in one

shop and another one 100 yards down

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the road.

Thank you. It is a 12 week

consultation period. We bring you

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more reaction to these proposals in

the next hour. Now an ETA with the

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rest of the news. Good morning.

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The White House has insisted

that criminal charges

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brought against former

aides to President Trump,

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show no evidence of collusion

between his election

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campaign and Russia.

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George Papadopoulos has

admitted lying to the FBI

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about his contacts with Moscow,

and two other senior aides have been

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placed under house arrest as

the FBI's investigation intensifies.

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Laura Bicker reports.

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Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's former

campaign manager, leaves court under

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house arrest facing 12 grave

charges including money

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laundering and conspiracy.

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He's pleading not guilty

and the charges don't relate

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to his work with the Trump campaign.

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But as he sped away

from the spotlight, there came

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an unexpected bombshell.

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George Papadopoulos,

an unpaid foreign policy adviser

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for the Trump campaign secretly

pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI

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about his Russian contacts.

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His charge sheet says that

while he was an aide he met

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a Russian professor in London

who said he had dirt

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on Hillary Clinton.

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Despite having earlier told

the FBI he wasn't a member

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of the Trump campaign

when the meeting took place.

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The professor claimed he had

thousands of Clinton campaign emails

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and he worked to arrange a meeting

between Vladimir Putin

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and Donald Trump, something

that did not happen.

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Papadopoulos's guilty plea discloses

facts of communication

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between Donald Trump campaign

and the Russians we didn't know

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about and that could be

a bigger problem for Trump.

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More details have emerged

about alleged Russian attempts

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to influence voters on social media.

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Facebook believes that 126 million

American users may have come

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into contact with Russian backed

propaganda during the election.

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This investigation is not going

away, as the White House had hoped,

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and could overshadow the Trump

presidency for some time to come.

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The Bank of England is warning that

75,000 jobs could be

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lost from Britain's financial

services sector, if the UK leaves

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the European Union

without a trade deal.

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Senior figures at the Bank

of England are said to be

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using the number as a "reasonable

scenario" in their planning

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for the future, but are thought

to be optimistic that negotiations

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will be successful.

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Our economics editor,

Kamal Ahmed, reports.

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It will be one of the toughest

challenges facing the Brexit

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negotiators, tackling

the multitrillion-pound financial

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services industry which links the UK

with the rest of the European Union.

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Banks and financial companies based

in Britain pay £67 billion in taxes

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each year, and contribute a trade

surplus of £58 billion,

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helping the UK's economy.

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Many EU countries would like a slice

of the sector and see

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Brexit as an opportunity.

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Frankfurt and Paris, for example,

are marketing themselves

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as new places to locate.

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The Bank of England is now preparing

for tens of thousands of job losses

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which it believes will hit the UK

if there is no new free-trade deal.

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Some will simply disappear

as the financial sector shrinks

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across Britain and some will be lost

to London's competitor cities.

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Although the bank believes 75,000

job losses is a reasonable

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scenario over 3-5 years,

many are optimistic that a good deal

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will be signed on financial services

because both the UK and the EU

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will not want to disrupt such

a vital component of the economy.

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And even with the job losses,

Britain, with over 1 million

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financial services jobs,

will still be by far the most

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important centre for

banking in Europe.

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The Defence Secretary,

Sir Michael Fallon, has

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confirmed he was once

rebuked by a political journalist

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for putting his hand

on her knee during dinner.

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The radio presenter,

Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had

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not been "remotely upset

or distressed" by the incident,

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which happened 15 years ago.

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Ms Hartley-Brewer said

that it was absurd to treat

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misjudged sexual overtures

or flirting as being morally

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equivalent to serious sexual

harassment or assault.

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NetFlix, has insisted its decision

to cancel the political drama,

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House of Cards, was made before

the star of the series was accused

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of making a sexual advance

towards a teenage boy.

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Kevin Spacey has apologised for any

"inappropriate drunken behaviour",

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but he's faced criticism

for using the same statement

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to come out as gay.

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The deposed leader of Catalonia,

Carles Puigdemont, has arrived

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in Belgium and hired a lawyer

specialising in immigration,

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raising speculation

he may seek asylum.

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Earlier, the Spanish Attorney

General said he was seeking charges,

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including rebellion,

sedition and the misappropriation of

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public funds, against Mr Puigdemont

and other separatist leaders over

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last week's unilateral

declaration of independence.

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Sarah Corker reports.

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In Barcelona, people are asking

just what happens next.

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The Spanish government is now

in charge of running this,

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the Catalan region.

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Carles Puigdemont, the deposed

Catalan leader faces charges

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of rebellion and he has

decided to escape.

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TRANSLATION: He is in Belgium.

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I think, to step away a bit

and let things calm down.

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He did not give me

much more explanation.

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I am not his political assistant

but his justice assistant.

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And speculation is growing that

Carles Puigdemont is preparing

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to seek asylum in Belgium.

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He is now potentially a fugitive

from Spanish justice.

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In Catalonia, he won the hearts

of these supporters by declaring

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independence on Friday.

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But he has left others,

like these pro-unity

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campaigners, furious.

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What happened here, it is like

Carles Puigdemont is a dictator.

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I lost a lot of friends.

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We talk a lot about politics and

this is impossible to talk about.

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And the stand-off is escalating.

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Yesterday the prosecutor in Madrid

announced serious charges

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against Catalan leaders,

carrying a maximum sentence

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of 30 years in prison.

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TRANSLATION: In order to uphold

honour, this office has five

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charges of rebellion,

sedition and misuse of funds

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against the main Catalan leaders.

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And the reaction to that

from the defacto Catalan deputy

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president who said he had nothing

new to say.

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Amid reports of the other former

Cabinet members are also in Belgium

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with Carles Puigdemont,

the potential repercussions of this

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crisis now stretch across Europe.

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Women fleeing domestic abuse have

told this programme they're

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being left homeless because councils

are failing to provide them with

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suitable temporary accommodation.

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It means in some cases women

are having to move time and time

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again when councils can't

find appropriate homes.

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Prince William attended the Pride

of Britain Awards last night,

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in which first responders

to the terrorist attacks in London

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and Manchester were among

the people honoured.

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Just a warning, the following

pictures do contain flashing images.

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The awards, at London's Grosvenor

Hotel, were also attended

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by the Prime Minister.

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Residents and community helpers

were given a special recognition

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award for their work

following the Grenfell Tower fire.

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Prince William praised

the "inspiring" efforts of those

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who reacted to the tragedy.

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That's a summary of the

latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

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We are going to talk more about the

proposals for a fixed odds betting

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terminals. If you have spent money

on them, tell's your own experience.

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Let's get some sport

with Olly Foster.

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Sir Mo Farah is coming home and

ending his relationship with

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controversial American coach Alberto

Salazar.

He is indeed. It was an

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inspired move in 2011. Mo Farah, not

winning very much at all, halting up

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with Alberto Salazar, a former

marathon runner. That

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state-of-the-art facility in the

United States. In his time there, it

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was a glut of gold medals for Mo

Farah, becoming the greatest

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distance runner on the track. Four

Olympic titles, six world titles as

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well, as recently as this summer

when he won macro 10,000 metres gold

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at the world Championships in

London. He retired from the track

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after that race in London. He

decided to aim towards road running.

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Half marathons, marathon running.

The last couple of years there has

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been a growing unease about that

relationship with Salazar, because

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he has been subject to the US

anti-doping investigation. One of

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their report was leaked in which the

coach was accused of unlawful

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conduct, with absolutely no

justification for possessing

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testosterone, something he defended

himself against, saying it was just

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for personal use because of a

medical condition that he has. He

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has always denied any wrongdoing, as

that investigation, which is also

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included an FBI investigation as

well, he says he has never done

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anything wrong and none of his

athletes have ever failed drug

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tests. We have seen Mo Farah get

very angry when questioned about his

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relationship with Salazar and this

ongoing investigation. He says, I

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have never failed a drugs test. I

have never done anything wrong. He

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says the reason he is ending that

relationship now has got nothing to

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do with that investigation or any of

the allegations against Salazar. He

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says it is purely for family

reasons. He wants his children to

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grow up in the UK. He is joining a

new coach on the road.

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He has posted this on social media.

I want to thank each member of the

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project and Alberto for what he has

done over the years. Yeah, so I'm

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coming back. My new coach is Gary

Locke, who coached Paula Radcliffe

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through her marathon. Very excited

to start a new project, a new start.

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I can't wait to be back home and I

can't wait to see my team, Arsenal,

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the Emirates.

Gary Locke is Paula Radcliffe's

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husband. He has guided her career.

He has a stable of young athletes.

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Sir Mo Farah, a new chapter in his

athletic career. But breaking his

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relationship with Alberto Salazar.

There will be many who will be glad

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of that.

At Westminster today the culture,

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media and sport select committee are

going to scrutinise Paralympic

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classification, aren't they?

This

could be fascinating. The IPC, the

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International Paralympic movement,

will be bracing themselves for a a

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few high-profile athletes and

allegations against them under

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Parliamentary privilege. They are

looking at claims of cheating. There

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are claims that athletes are

exaggerating their conditions or

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impairments to be classified within

a group that gives them a better

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chance of winning. A key man

appearing before the committee will

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be the lawyer Michael Green. His

daughter Olivia, Paralympic long

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jump champion. He has campaigned for

years Paralympic issues. He says

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there is no question that certain

athletes from certain nations have

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and continue to manipulate the

classification system. It is easy to

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manipulate, he says, not robust, not

fit for purpose. We will be hearing

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from the key players later this

morning in Westminster. We will be

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across that.

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Thank you very much, Olly. Thank

you.

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Fixed-odds betting terminals

like these have been dubbed

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the crack cocaine of gambling

because they are so addictive.

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It is possible to lose a vast amount

of money on them in a very short

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amount of time.

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But now the maximum stake

for fixed-odds betting

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terminals could drop

to as little as £2 under

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a government review.

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Currently, people can bet up

to £100 every 20 seconds

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on the gaming machines,

but proposals could limit that

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to between £2 and £50.

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The rise of fixed-odds betting

terminals is an issue we've been

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covering for years on this programme

and the radio, where we've heard

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from addicts who have lost hundreds

of thousands of pounds on them.

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Last year an investigation by this

programme found staff in betting

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shops telling us they're being told

to offer customers perks

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and incentives to keep them playing

on those controversial high

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stakes machines.

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I was in that hairdressers over

the road and I don't

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know what happened.

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I came out of the hairdressers

I thought, oh, go on,

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what's the harm, I'll go

in and have a go.

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The addiction is always present.

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I fed in what I had in my wallet,

which I think was about £90.

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Then I came out, took some money

out of the cashpoint.

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At this point, I was totally

devastated and just completely

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caught up in the gambling.

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In a red mist is probably the best

way to describe it, or fog.

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And I just went to the counter

and said, you know, £500.

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I lost that in the space

of a few minutes.

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£1,000, I lost that.

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£1,000, lost that,

and another £1,000 -

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until I had no more

money in my bank account.

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And how did you feel

after losing that?

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Devastated.

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At this point, the plan

was still for my wife and child

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to come and live here in this

country with me.

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I'd got a flat set up

and everything ready to go.

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But because of that relapse,

and because my wife realised

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I was still very much

in the gambling, the

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addiction was there...

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Let us know your reaction to the

proposed changes particularly if you

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have used fixed-odds betting

terminals. You can e-mail and tweet.

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We can speak now to Jason Haddigan.

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Adam Bradford's father has had

major gambling problems.

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At one point going to

prison to fuel his habit.

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And in the studio,

the Labour MP Carolyn Harris

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who chairs a cross-party group

on Fixed Odds Betting.

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In a moment we will be joined by

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John Wright from the

British Amusement Catering

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Trade Association.

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Jason, how much do you reckon you

have lost through your lifetime on

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these terminals?

I have lost

£300,000 on them.

Over what period

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of time?

OK, so they came out in the

year 2000. I was actually banned

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from all bookmakers in the year

2014. So from 2000 to 2014, yeah, I

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lost over £300,000.

Wow. And where

did you get the money from? How did

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you afford it?

I was conning the

bookmakers to fuel my gambling

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addiction. Yes and that is why in

2014, a Crown Court judge banned me

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from every bookmakers in the United

Kingdom for I believe it was five

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years, yes.

Tell me this - how much

do you take responsibility for your

0:19:500:19:56

actions? How much do you think it is

to do with the nature of these

0:19:560:20:00

particular betting terminals?

Well,

before the fixed-odds terminals came

0:20:000:20:07

out, I was gambling since the age of

nine. Very, very bad gambler. I can

0:20:070:20:13

relate to Tony Franklin. I feel

sorry for him. I believe he has lost

0:20:130:20:17

over £2 million, the same as me, but

you had a chance before the machines

0:20:170:20:23

come out. I used to have thro,

three, four five grand on horses and

0:20:230:20:29

sometimes I would win, 2-1 and 3-1

and I would collect £15,000 or

0:20:290:20:34

£20,000, but the last time I went

into a bookmakers was in 2013 and I

0:20:340:20:39

remember going up to the staff and I

wanted £1500 on a horse at 3-1 and

0:20:390:20:44

she said no, you can only have £60

on it.

Right.

But we can load the

0:20:440:20:50

£1500 into the machines if you want.

So, the bookmakers know that you

0:20:500:20:58

have got absolutely no chance at all

of winning any money on these

0:20:580:21:03

fixed-odds terminals. This is why

they are not accepting bets on

0:21:030:21:07

horses and dogs anymore.

Let me

bring in Adam. Your father went to

0:21:070:21:13

jail for stealing to fuel his habit.

Something that the, you only found

0:21:130:21:17

out about, I think, after it was

reported in the media. His gambling

0:21:170:21:24

had a devastating impact on your

life. Tell us what happened?

So

0:21:240:21:28

you're right, he went to prison for

fraud. He had a gambling addiction

0:21:280:21:34

more about 30 years that he kept

secret from the family. It started

0:21:340:21:38

off line and then in recent years

went online and as he bet more and

0:21:380:21:42

more and more he started borrowing

money from banks, from credit cards,

0:21:420:21:46

payday loans, he even remortgaged

the house in secret without any of

0:21:460:21:50

us knowing. He ended up stealing

money from his employers to fund the

0:21:500:21:55

habit which he ultimately went to

prison for, but still, when he was

0:21:550:22:01

on his way to court and going

through the court case we had no

0:22:010:22:04

idea until he had gone into prison.

He got a two year sentence for fraud

0:22:040:22:08

and you know that shock and the

misery we were left with just, you

0:22:080:22:13

know, just devastated the family.

Let me bring in Carolyn and John

0:22:130:22:21

White. So the proposals that are

going to be consulted on over the

0:22:210:22:25

next few months talk about reducing

the £100 stake every 20 seconds to

0:22:250:22:30

somewhere between £2 and £50, that's

a big difference, isn't it? What do

0:22:300:22:35

you going to be campaigning for?

£2.

If it's not £2 I will feel that the

0:22:350:22:40

campaign thave been running for the

last two years will have been a

0:22:400:22:44

waste of time. I'm confident that

the Government will see sense. There

0:22:440:22:48

is overwhelming evidence that

people's lives have been destroyed

0:22:480:22:51

by these machines and I'm interested

to hear what Adam was saying. So

0:22:510:22:57

many people I have spoken to had to

steal in order to feed their

0:22:570:23:01

gambling habit.

They don't have to

steal, do they?

We would not say

0:23:010:23:05

about that a cocaine addict. We

accept that people have a problem

0:23:050:23:09

with drugs and we accept that they

commit crime in order to feed that.

0:23:090:23:12

It is the same with these machines,

but nobody is acknowledging the fact

0:23:120:23:16

that these machines are as dangerous

as any other drug. When you see the

0:23:160:23:22

statistics, 31% of the people who

actually use the machines earn less

0:23:220:23:27

than £10,000. So where do they get

the money to put into the machines

0:23:270:23:30

from? They are not earning it. It

has got to come from somewhere.

John

0:23:300:23:33

White, just be clear for our

audience what kind of organisation

0:23:330:23:37

you represent?

So we represent the

amusement machine industry, the

0:23:370:23:43

seaside amusement arcade and the

people who put machines in pubs and

0:23:430:23:47

clubs and adult gaming centres on

the high street.

Where do you stand

0:23:470:23:50

on whether it is a £2 or up to £50?

We think it should be reduced

0:23:500:23:55

substantially and £2 would be...

You

would get more business compared to

0:23:550:23:58

the betting shops?

No, not at all,

it is about striking the right

0:23:580:24:01

balance between what is appropriate

for those people that wish to play

0:24:010:24:06

on machines and enjoy what they have

to offer and the harnl machines can

0:24:060:24:09

cause to some people and quite

frankly, £100, £50, £20, the numbers

0:24:090:24:16

quoted in the consultation paper

don't cut the mustard, you will not

0:24:160:24:21

see from the evidence that I have

seen any reduction in the harms that

0:24:210:24:24

the machines can cause.

As a Labour

MP you will be concerned about jobs,

0:24:240:24:26

of course, you know the betting

industry say if you reduce the stake

0:24:260:24:30

to £2, thousands of people will be

out of work in the gambling

0:24:300:24:34

industry?

Well, I don't accept

that...

You don't believe them?

No,

0:24:340:24:38

I don't believe them. They are

classed as shops. They are only

0:24:380:24:44

allowed four machines per shop. They

will put more betting shops in the

0:24:440:24:48

proximity. They are sole worker

operations. Truth of it is they make

0:24:480:24:54

so much money from the machines that

they open up extra shops in order to

0:24:540:24:57

take, over 50% of their revenue

comes from these machines.

Exactly.

0:24:570:25:01

That's what they are saying. That's

why people will be out of work.

0:25:010:25:05

Well, you have done the maths

yourself, pretty much.

If we

0:25:050:25:11

actually had better businesses on

the high street and reduced the

0:25:110:25:14

stake, there would be more income

that people could spend in cafes and

0:25:140:25:19

restaurants, there would be better

shops in the high street.

Gambling

0:25:190:25:25

is a legitimate industry. It is not

illegal?

The fixed-odds machines are

0:25:250:25:31

dangerous. I'm not out to destroy

industry. This is really, really bad

0:25:310:25:36

for individuals.

Michael says, "I

used to work in betting shops and I

0:25:360:25:43

have seen people spend hundreds of

pounds in minutes. ." Lyon says, "I

0:25:430:25:48

work in a bookies. I'm terrified by

this. So many friends and family

0:25:480:25:52

could lose their jobs." Do you care?

I have to say that the FOBTs have

0:25:520:25:59

caused job losses across the

economy. One figure that I think

0:25:590:26:02

stands out for me, from our

particular sector is that nearly

0:26:020:26:06

half of adult gaming centres you

find on the high street have

0:26:060:26:09

disappeared since the introduction

of these types of machines. It is

0:26:090:26:14

perfectly right and proper that a

sustainable book making industry

0:26:140:26:18

should exist on the high street.

Like wise adult gaming centres and

0:26:180:26:23

like wise family entertainment

centres. I come back to the word

0:26:230:26:26

again, it is balance. What is the

right stake for machines on the high

0:26:260:26:29

street to allow people to enjoy them

and provide employment and provide

0:26:290:26:33

businesses, but without coming to

harm. There was a study out there, I

0:26:330:26:36

don't want to get into too much

technicalities, the introduction of

0:26:360:26:40

these machines had destroyed jobs.

Destroyed jobs. So I don't buy the

0:26:400:26:45

argument that's being put forward,

but for each individual, of course,

0:26:450:26:48

it is a tragedy and one sympathises.

Jason, you want to come back in

0:26:480:26:51

there?

Yes. A good point what

Carolyn just made. They are saying

0:26:510:26:58

there will be 16,000 people out of a

job if the stake gets reduced to £2.

0:26:580:27:05

I actually believe there is more

than 16,000 people that have lost

0:27:050:27:11

their job because they have got

addicted to the fixed-odds

0:27:110:27:15

terminals.

Well, thank you all of

you. Thank you very much for coming

0:27:150:27:18

on the programme. We will see what

happens in the next few weeks. There

0:27:180:27:21

will be a lot of lobbying and

campaigning going on. Thank you.

0:27:210:27:30

Your reaction welcome. Send me an

e-mail. You can message us on

0:27:330:27:40

Facebook, whatsapp.

0:27:400:27:42

Still to come, women fleeing

domestic abuse are being left

0:27:430:27:45

homeless because councils

are failing to provide them with

0:27:450:27:47

suitable temporary accommodation.

0:27:470:27:48

We'll be hearing first-hand

experiences from

0:27:480:27:50

survivors of domestic abuse.

0:27:500:27:54

It is the final of the Great British

Bake Off tonight. We will look ahead

0:27:540:27:57

to it.

0:27:570:28:02

Time for the latest

news, here's Annita.

0:28:020:28:08

The Government has published

proposals to limit the amount

0:28:080:28:11

of money that can be staked

on fixed-odds betting terminals.

0:28:110:28:13

Measures to cut the current £100

maximum bet to somewhere between £50

0:28:130:28:20

and £2 will be considered

during a short consultation period.

0:28:200:28:22

Critics have called the machines

the crack cocaine of gambling.

0:28:220:28:25

The White House has insisted

that criminal charges

0:28:260:28:31

brought against former

aides to President Trump,

0:28:310:28:34

show no evidence of collusion

between his election

0:28:340:28:36

campaign and Russia.

0:28:360:28:37

George Papadopoulos has

admitted lying to the FBI

0:28:370:28:40

about his contacts with Moscow.

0:28:400:28:44

He appears to be helping

investigators. Two other Trump aides

0:28:440:28:48

have been placed under house arrest.

0:28:480:28:53

Facebook says 126 million

Americans may have come into contact

0:28:530:28:56

with Russian-backed propaganda

before and after last year's

0:28:560:28:58

presidential election.

0:28:580:29:00

Twitter and Google also say

they were used to share divisive

0:29:000:29:03

posts traced to Russia.

0:29:030:29:04

The social media giants had

initially dismissed complaints

0:29:040:29:06

about fake news as crazy.

0:29:060:29:14

Women fleeing domestic abuse have

told this programme they're

0:29:140:29:16

being left homeless because councils

are failing to provide them with

0:29:160:29:19

suitable temporary accommodation.

0:29:190:29:24

Some women have been forced to move

accommodation repeatedly because the

0:29:240:29:30

councils can't find appropriate

accommodation.

0:29:300:29:33

The Defence Secretary,

Sir Michael Fallon, has

0:29:330:29:35

confirmed he was once

rebuked by a political journalist

0:29:350:29:37

for putting his hand

on her knee during dinner.

0:29:370:29:39

The radio presenter,

Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had

0:29:390:29:41

not been "remotely upset

or distressed" by the incident,

0:29:410:29:44

which happened 15 years ago.

0:29:440:29:45

Ms Hartley-Brewer said

that it was absurd to treat

0:29:450:29:47

misjudged sexual overtures

or flirting as being morally

0:29:470:29:49

equivalent to serious

sexual harassment.

0:29:490:30:02

Sir Mo Farah has left as American

coach and is returning to the UK

0:30:020:30:07

with his family. Gary Locke is set

to oversee his marathon career.

0:30:070:30:12

Salazar is the subject of a US

anti-doping investigation but denies

0:30:120:30:17

allegations of wrongdoing. Sean

Dyche mark five years as manager of

0:30:170:30:21

Burnley with victory over Newcastle

last night. Jeff Hendrick with the

0:30:210:30:25

only goal. They are seventh in the

Premier League. Manchester United

0:30:250:30:29

take a 100% record to Benfica

tonight in the Champions League.

0:30:290:30:34

Victory could take them into the

knockout stages. Chelsea and Celtic

0:30:340:30:40

also in action. And Ronnie

O'Sullivan has been knocked out of

0:30:400:30:43

the International open in China by a

17-year-old. Sullivan says the only

0:30:430:30:48

men to have played that well against

him at the former world champions,

0:30:480:30:52

John and Stephen Hendry.

A full update after ten.

0:30:520:30:57

Women fleeing domestic abuse have

told this programme they're

0:30:570:30:59

being left homeless because councils

are failing to provide them with

0:30:590:31:01

suitable temporary accommodation.

0:31:010:31:02

It means in some cases women

are having to move time and time

0:31:020:31:06

again when councils can't

find appropriate homes.

0:31:060:31:11

Lucy Martindale escaped domestic

violence four years ago -

0:31:110:31:19

she moved seven times

before finding a home.

0:31:190:31:21

She's been to meet other

0:31:210:31:23

women in her situation

for this programme.

0:31:230:31:31

I reported domestic violence as I

was in fear for my life. I lived in

0:31:390:31:43

a two-bedroom flat with a secured

tenancy here in Lambeth. My children

0:31:430:31:53

happily attended the local school

just around the corner. The council

0:31:530:32:00

moved me out of Lambeth to be away

from my abuser and I was glad of

0:32:000:32:03

this. I was placed here in temporary

accommodation, a hostel in Norwood.

0:32:030:32:11

It was tiny with six or seven

families, around 22 people, all

0:32:110:32:17

crammed inside. I moved the children

to a local school and then the

0:32:170:32:23

council told me I had a better

chance of getting permanent

0:32:230:32:26

accommodation by taking a private

rental. And so I moved to here. A

0:32:260:32:33

small flat in Streatham. The flat

had damp. I reported this to the

0:32:330:32:37

landlord. A few months later, I was

evicted and I had to present to the

0:32:370:32:43

council as homeless. I was moved to

this hotel. Nowhere to cook, nowhere

0:32:430:32:50

to feed your children, and you all

share one bed. My son had his tenth

0:32:500:32:55

birthday here. Not one of his best

birthdays. And from the hotel I was

0:32:550:33:03

moved here, to a bed and breakfast

in Purley. We shared it with five

0:33:030:33:09

families and some single men. We

were now eight miles away from the

0:33:090:33:12

children's school. I insisted the

council moved me. And six weeks

0:33:120:33:24

later, I ended up here, an old

school which is now used as

0:33:240:33:27

temporary accommodation for homeless

families. I had one tiny bedroom.

0:33:270:33:32

The children's school was three

miles away. In the end I was so fed

0:33:320:33:37

up I found accommodation myself.

This meant a move into a private

0:33:370:33:43

rental, which is hard for me to

afford. So now I'm here. My seventh

0:33:430:33:52

home in less than four years. My

experience has been traumatic. So it

0:33:520:33:57

made me want to find out what has

happened to other women in my

0:33:570:34:01

position.

How are you?

Fine, thank you.

Caves

0:34:010:34:11

led a violent relationship last

year.

He woke up this morning and

0:34:110:34:18

said, it was so comfortable. After

three months of sofa surfing and

0:34:180:34:24

going around different properties,

fitting into other people's lives,

0:34:240:34:27

it's such a relief.

When I went to

meet her, she had just moved into

0:34:270:34:33

temporary accommodation with her

children. Tell me how you ended up

0:34:330:34:39

here in Bromley?

I approached

Bromley. After six months, I was in

0:34:390:34:47

a refuge, after six months they

agreed to has me as a single person.

0:34:470:34:51

A couple of months later, the

children came to live with me. It

0:34:510:34:56

was then that they refused to accept

the children onto the housing.

What

0:34:560:35:00

is your housing situation now?

I'm

currently in a temporary property.

0:35:000:35:07

We have been staying at four

different properties. Just

0:35:070:35:10

constantly moving.

With family and

friends?

Yeah.

Did they offered to

0:35:100:35:18

put you in a hostel, Hotel?

No. They

didn't give me... They didn't give

0:35:180:35:25

me even a leaflet.

How did you

arrange your housing on a day-to-day

0:35:250:35:29

basis?

It was very difficult indeed

emotionally. Very difficult. Because

0:35:290:35:39

you are basically begging and every

day not knowing where you are going

0:35:390:35:42

to be sleeping. At the same time

trying to put on a happy face, to be

0:35:420:35:50

supportive for the children, telling

them it's going to be all right went

0:35:500:35:53

deep inside you really don't think

it's going to be. You don't know

0:35:530:35:56

what you are going to be doing,

where you are going to be staying.

0:35:560:35:59

You can maybe -- you couldn't always

maybe Koke dinner, so maybe you are

0:35:590:36:05

buying food on the go, eating

sandwiches. You feel you are not

0:36:050:36:09

providing a stable diet. But the

fact I was escaping domestic

0:36:090:36:15

violence, and that they are

dependent children, still they was

0:36:150:36:21

flat-out refusing to liaise with me.

Every door was closed.

0:36:210:36:30

Kay visited the council numerous

times and made repeated phone calls,

0:36:300:36:33

begging them for help.

I've got nowhere to go. Nowhere!

0:36:330:36:44

It says you can stay with your

cousin.

0:36:440:36:53

I cannot stay there. I cannot stay

there. OK? But why? But why can't

0:36:530:37:00

you help me? Y can't Bromley helped

me? What are we supposed to do

0:37:000:37:05

tonight? I can't stay there.

0:37:050:37:15

It Bromley council spokesperson

said...

0:37:190:37:26

Cheryl fled her home in Croydon this

year and was immediately placed in a

0:37:590:38:03

refuge. She has been -- she is being

evicted today because after eight

0:38:030:38:13

months her time is up. But she has

nowhere else to go.

0:38:130:38:20

How did it make you feel, having to

be evicted from the refuge?

Worried,

0:38:200:38:26

because I didn't know where I was

going that night. They give you four

0:38:260:38:30

weeks notice. You expect to leave at

the end of four weeks knowing where

0:38:300:38:34

you are going.

You know the date you

were leaving?

You would've picture

0:38:340:38:42

key is up, gone to view properties.

On the Monday, the week that I was

0:38:420:38:47

leaving, they found somewhere in

Westcliff on Sea, but that was too

0:38:470:38:53

far. The day after that, the

Tuesday, I spoke to them again and

0:38:530:38:58

they asked me if I would go to the

North of England. I said no. I have

0:38:580:39:04

commitments down this way. I've got

nobody in the north England.

The

0:39:040:39:09

government strategy says it will

continue to ensure all women are

0:39:090:39:13

supported. What do you feel about

that?

I feel that they have lied

0:39:130:39:18

because all women are not supported.

I feel that someone from the

0:39:180:39:22

government should go through what we

have been through and see if they

0:39:220:39:26

say the same at the end of it,

because I can guarantee they want. I

0:39:260:39:30

think they should be more places for

women with domestic violence to go

0:39:300:39:35

to. All the numbers they give you,

half of them don't do anything for

0:39:350:39:43

you. It is like a lucky dip. I can

identify with that. You are just a

0:39:430:39:50

number at the end of the day,

really. I thought we all have human

0:39:500:39:55

rights and stuff. You've got no

rights. Your rights are taken out of

0:39:550:40:00

your hands.

I wanted to know if councils have a

0:40:000:40:07

duty to house all women who have

left a violent relationship. So I

0:40:070:40:13

went to speak to Jane Pritchard, a

housing lawyer.

So when a person

0:40:130:40:19

applies to the local authority in a

situation where they are fleeing

0:40:190:40:22

domestic abuse, there is a really

low bar that they need to be

0:40:220:40:25

satisfied of, in order to provide

them with temporary accommodation.

0:40:250:40:30

Of the local authority simply need

reason to believe that the person is

0:40:300:40:33

harmless, which should be obvious.

That they are eligible for

0:40:330:40:38

assistance under the Housing act.

And that they are in priority need

0:40:380:40:42

of accommodation. If those criteria

are satisfied, then there is a duty

0:40:420:40:49

to provide suitable accommodation

immediately.

All the women which I

0:40:490:40:55

have spoken to feel that they have

been bounced from one person to the

0:40:550:40:59

next. Do you think this is a common

thing?

It's a really common

0:40:590:41:06

situation that week, Culross.

Clients coming to see us seeking

0:41:060:41:09

advice because they have gone to one

council and been told it's not their

0:41:090:41:14

responsibility, and to go to another

responsibility it's really important

0:41:140:41:20

to understand that this type of

behaviour week-old gatekeeping is

0:41:200:41:25

housing lawyers, is unlawful.

---Week-old gatekeeping. Your

0:41:250:41:31

connection with the borrower has

nothing to do with their immediate

0:41:310:41:35

duty to one, except a homeless

person's application, and two, to

0:41:350:41:42

provide you with temporary

accommodation.

What impact does this

0:41:420:41:44

have?

Where someone is fleeing

domestic abuse we may only ever have

0:41:440:41:51

one chance, one opportunity to

assist in protecting them, to ensure

0:41:510:41:55

they are housed in suitable safe,

secure accommodation. If that

0:41:550:42:00

applicant goes to the council and is

turned away at that time, we know

0:42:000:42:05

that that person may never go back.

They go back to the perpetrator of

0:42:050:42:09

the abuse. They never, ever have the

opportunity again of being rehoused.

0:42:090:42:21

Lots of the women I spoke to told me

about how councils had refused to

0:42:210:42:24

help them. Sofia greeted talk about

her experience but she wanted to

0:42:240:42:31

keep her identity private.

When I went into this relationship I

0:42:310:42:39

was in love with my partner. And

within a month, when I was beaten

0:42:390:42:46

up, I was stripped nude and thrown

out of the house. My neighbours

0:42:460:42:53

helped to told me and give me first

aid.

Sofia left her home with

0:42:530:42:59

nothing.

I knew I needed resources

like money. So I had some jewellery

0:42:590:43:07

on. My wedding ring, my engagement

ring. I had some bangles.

0:43:070:43:16

Basically...

Sophia went to the council after

0:43:160:43:20

arriving in London, hoping they

would help.

I had walked in about

0:43:200:43:24

ten seconds into the council within

ten seconds I was asked to go. They

0:43:240:43:31

just dismissed me. They didn't seem

to understand that I was homeless. I

0:43:310:43:36

was actually homeless.

What happened

next?

Since then I repeatedly

0:43:360:43:41

visited the Council almost every day

and there were times when I have

0:43:410:43:44

been in that phone booth crying my

eyes out, I was so upset and I was

0:43:440:43:53

so vulnerable.

Eventually the

council agreed to house Sofia and

0:43:530:43:57

offered her a place at a hostel.

When I went to this hostel, it

0:43:570:44:02

housed 14 women. I was scared. I was

just scared.

You was a victim of

0:44:020:44:10

domestic violence.

Yes. I do

remember one of those men actually

0:44:100:44:18

came to me and said, you know

darling, if you get a knock on your

0:44:180:44:24

door at two o'clock in the morning,

don't worry, it only me. I couldn't

0:44:240:44:28

speak. I literally couldn't speak.

Having made it to where I am today,

0:44:280:44:40

I couldn't have done it. I am very

proud of myself.

You should be.

0:44:400:44:46

I wanted to learn more about the

impact domestic violence has no

0:44:460:44:51

woman's light and her housing. So I

travelled to North London to meet

0:44:510:44:55

Mary Mason.

There are already people who are

0:44:550:44:59

feeling traumatised. To move then

from home to home, to move often

0:44:590:45:04

from school to school, to move from

temporary accommodation to temporary

0:45:040:45:08

accommodation just adds to the

lengthening amount of trauma that

0:45:080:45:14

somebody experiences. The other

thing I think it is important to

0:45:140:45:17

understand is that a lot of women

would choose not to leave a violent

0:45:170:45:22

relationship because they can't get

decent housing.

This isn't just a

0:45:220:45:32

London problem, is it?

No, it is a

national problem and a lot of issues

0:45:320:45:36

that are happening in London are

repeated elsewhere around the

0:45:360:45:40

country. What we really want to do

and the women we're working with

0:45:400:45:44

really want to do is rebuild their

lives. The reason they left the

0:45:440:45:47

violence and abuse was to find a

better life for themselves and their

0:45:470:45:50

children.

I'm glad there are people like Mary

0:45:500:45:57

and Jane who are helping women like

me find their way, but I don't

0:45:570:46:04

think, we the survivors of domestic

violence should have to rely on

0:46:040:46:08

lawyers and charities to help us.

Thank you for your messages. Jane on

0:46:080:46:18

Facebook says, "The system is wrong

and leaves victims more vulnerable

0:46:180:46:21

and sweeps this under the carpet. I

lost a daughter to suicide three

0:46:210:46:24

years ago due to reporting domestic

abuse and she got no help from

0:46:240:46:28

anyone." This tweet from Jo, "Women

and children are fleeing domestic

0:46:280:46:34

violence and they are often left

homeless or housed in B&B-type

0:46:340:46:39

accommodation which leaves them

feeling more isolated." ." Kirsty

0:46:390:46:44

says, "There should be more support

in place to get the abusers out of

0:46:440:46:49

the family home." Another viewer

says, "We can't rely on the

0:46:490:46:53

Government and councils to help, so

abused women end up staying with the

0:46:530:46:57

abuser." Kerry, "I am sorry for

every victim this this domestic

0:46:570:47:02

abuse housing film. I just wish I

could help them."

0:47:020:47:07

Keep viewer views coming in,

particularly if you have your own

0:47:070:47:12

personal experience.

0:47:120:47:14

Coming up, some of Britain's most

successful Paralympic athletes

0:47:140:47:16

are facing suggestions

they won their gold medals unfairly

0:47:160:47:18

at parliamentary hearing.

0:47:180:47:20

We'll be getting the views of two

Paralympic athletes a little

0:47:200:47:22

later in the programme.

0:47:220:47:25

It's the final of the Great British

Bake Off tonight with

0:47:250:47:28

Kate, Stephen and Sophie battling it

out to win the title.

0:47:280:47:31

Despite only getting around half

the viewers on Channel 4

0:47:310:47:34

compared to BBC One,

it has been seen as a huge success.

0:47:340:47:41

It has been watched by more young

people than any other show on TV

0:47:410:47:44

so far this year, and is likely

to be Channel 4's most watched

0:47:440:47:48

programme since 1985.

0:47:480:47:48

Here's why.

0:47:480:47:54

Is trifle popular in Siberia.

I have

never seen trifle.

What's trifle in

0:48:030:48:08

Russian?

I don't know.

0:48:080:48:15

Oh my god. What happened?

Stacey is

making red velvet chocolate sponge

0:48:190:48:27

which she will decorate to make look

like a designer handbag.

It will be

0:48:270:48:33

quite moist.

Looking forward to the

moist clutch.

Do you feel you need

0:48:330:48:37

this one to get yourself higher up

the rankings?

I think we do.

It's a

0:48:370:48:43

we now. Very nice.

LAUGHTER

0:48:430:48:51

It's so frustrating.

I like the

snail!

Is there something about the

0:48:510:48:57

shape of the snail?

LAUGHTER

0:48:570:49:02

Paul, are you going to pull yourself

together?

Yeah, in a minute.

0:49:020:49:12

What's the shape?

Solid.

Try and

keep up with the youth.

That is

0:49:120:49:20

ridiculous.

Bakers, you've got 45

minutes left. 45.

0:49:200:49:32

Take it out. The second prove.

It is

not horrific.

0:49:320:49:44

Let's talk now to

Andrew Smyth, a finalist

0:49:460:49:48

on last year's Bake Off.

0:49:480:49:52

He's still baking and made

an edible jet for Prince

0:49:520:49:55

William after the series.

0:49:550:49:59

I said, "I recognise you." Off the

TV! I thought we'd met.

She thought

0:49:590:50:06

she had seen me at a conference!

0:50:060:50:09

Buzzfeed's Bake Off correspondent,

Scott Bryan is also here.

0:50:090:50:11

He thinks this year hasn't

been a "vintage" series.

0:50:110:50:15

Becky Chester is a Bake off

superfan that's been baking

0:50:150:50:17

along to the series.

0:50:170:50:21

She has baked us a Halloween special

pumpkin cake in the theme of week

0:50:210:50:24

eight's "forgotten bakes."

0:50:240:50:25

We will show it to you now. There is

the pumpkin cake, thank you.

0:50:250:50:30

John Holland is a fan who thinks

the Bake Off brand is potentially

0:50:300:50:37

running out of steam.

0:50:370:50:40

He has brought in a brain-themed

cake based on week

0:50:400:50:43

one's "illusion" theme.

0:50:430:50:46

That's quite a masterpiece.

It looks

like the same thing.

When have you

0:50:460:50:50

seen a real brain?

Not recently!

LAUGHTER

0:50:500:50:55

He was carrying it on the Tube this

morning.

Did everyone see it?

Yeah.

0:50:550:51:01

Someone said, "Don't eat it all at

once." Scott, let's look at the

0:51:010:51:06

audience figures first of allment

they are lower than BBC One. As you

0:51:060:51:09

would expect.

Yes.

But for the 16 to

34 age group, it is mega, isn't it?

0:51:090:51:15

It is the biggest show on TV this

year for young people and also for

0:51:150:51:20

Channel 4's prospective, it is great

for them because they get all of the

0:51:200:51:24

appetising for shows they get to

definitely get in the money that

0:51:240:51:27

they have spent on this show. I have

sensed that I think particularly

0:51:270:51:31

online there is less of a buzz this

year.

So you mean they are not

0:51:310:51:35

pumping out the social media as much

or there is less chatter?

There is

0:51:350:51:39

less chatter, I think.

Why is that

then?

Part of it is because last

0:51:390:51:43

year when you used to watch it on

BBC iPlayer, you could rewind and

0:51:430:51:49

have stuff to share around on

Tumbler and Twitter. This year it is

0:51:490:51:55

harder because on All 4 it is not as

good as the BBC's. So I think, I

0:51:550:51:59

know that sounds a bit specific, but

I think that does have an effect

0:51:590:52:03

with how young people talk about the

show. But still, I mean, it is

0:52:030:52:07

definitely a programme that I think

people really just like particularly

0:52:070:52:12

because it's authentic also the fact

that they have characters like Liam

0:52:120:52:15

who is very young, their age range

as well.

Liam... Oh Liam. Liam.

0:52:150:52:23

The nation seemed to weep.

Absolutely. Everyone loved Liam.

0:52:230:52:27

There was a lot of social media

around Liam going out and there was

0:52:270:52:33

huge uproar.

What do you think in

terms of how similar it is to the

0:52:330:52:37

BBC version apart from the adverts?

I thought it would be more Channel 4

0:52:370:52:43

and the advert leading up to Bake

Off gave you that inkling that we

0:52:430:52:47

were going to do something different

and away went the music and you were

0:52:470:52:52

there and it was the same again,

apart from Noel being Noel!

0:52:520:52:56

LAUGHTER

What do you mean, funny and rude?

0:52:560:52:59

Yes.

Do you like that?

I think he's

fantastic. He has done really well.

0:52:590:53:04

What do you think looking at the

contestants and presenters and

0:53:040:53:09

judges and the new faces?

They have

pitched it quite well. Audiences

0:53:090:53:12

only like a certain amount of change

and with the channel move and the

0:53:120:53:16

breaks and the new presenting teams

it was a sensible decision to keep

0:53:160:53:19

the bake e the music and the

challenges and the same format, they

0:53:190:53:25

might have lost more of a share if

they moved away from the classic

0:53:250:53:28

format. The bakers have been

fantastic.

What about as characters?

0:53:280:53:33

For me it is about the baking and

when we auditioned to go in the

0:53:330:53:37

tent, you are judged on the quality

of your baking.

It is nice if there

0:53:370:53:40

is a personality to go with it.

There was some personalities when

0:53:400:53:44

Liam left, there was some upset

because he was one of the favourite

0:53:440:53:47

characters and a lot of people

thought he was going to make it the

0:53:470:53:50

whole way to the end. But in the

tenth night, we have got three

0:53:500:53:57

amazing skilled bakers and I can't

wait to see what they produce.

John,

0:53:570:54:01

why do you think it is running out

of steam?

There is only so much that

0:54:010:54:07

Love Productions can do. They have

built in a format where they are

0:54:070:54:11

able to introduce commercial breaks

like on Channel 4. And so, I think

0:54:110:54:16

there is only so much they can do in

terms of how the show is structured.

0:54:160:54:19

You are always going to open with

that signature bake. You are going

0:54:190:54:22

to have technical. You are going to

have a show-stopper. So I don't

0:54:220:54:28

think the system is there, it's not

broken. I don't think they should

0:54:280:54:31

try and fix it.

Right.

But.

I'm

confused. It's running out of steam,

0:54:310:54:37

but it's all right.

It's running out

of steam because they can't change

0:54:370:54:40

it. It's kind of...

Is that fair or

not?

The weird thing I find about it

0:54:400:54:46

Channel 4 say it is a very Channel 4

show now and I still think it is a

0:54:460:54:50

BBC show with ads in like it is

distinctively un-Channel 4y.

It is

0:54:500:54:55

very similar.

It is very similar and

I like the fact that Noel Fielding

0:54:550:55:02

is providing some left field humour

and each every week he is trying to

0:55:020:55:06

see how far he can take it. On the

first episode...

Oh, he was

0:55:060:55:12

apologetic, he was really sheepish,

I'm really sorry I got this job.

0:55:120:55:16

Last week he was dancing around and

having, and I like the how he works

0:55:160:55:21

with Sandy. It is not what I was

expecting. Nobody could see them

0:55:210:55:25

being a duo.

What do you think

Andrew about the challenges that

0:55:250:55:29

they have been set this time? Could

they have pushed that further? Do

0:55:290:55:32

you think they were challenging

enough?

I think year-on-year they

0:55:320:55:36

have to ramp up the challenges. If

we look back to the first series of

0:55:360:55:39

Bake Off now, it does look simpler,

it was things like Victorian sponges

0:55:390:55:44

and scones, as you have gone through

the series they have had to increase

0:55:440:55:48

in complexity and you only had to

look at the illusion cakes. It was

0:55:480:55:52

final territory a couple of years

ago. I think as people have watched

0:55:520:55:55

it and gained more confidence at

home as well, people I think around

0:55:550:55:59

the nation have upskilled their

baking. If you had talked about

0:55:590:56:02

spray nodsles that they were using

in the first episode a couple of

0:56:020:56:06

years back, people would have had no

idea, but now there is lots of

0:56:060:56:09

amateurs who are making incredible

cakes. I think it will be

0:56:090:56:12

interesting to see how much they can

push that because there is only so

0:56:120:56:15

far you can go if you get more and

more complicated.

What's been the

0:56:150:56:18

best bake for you, Becky?

Well, of

the whole series?

Yes.

In terms of

0:56:180:56:24

baking along I found it hard to bake

along with the technicals because

0:56:240:56:28

they have used a lot of specialist

equipment and things like that which

0:56:280:56:31

I just haven't got so I had to adapt

bits and pieces, but I thought the

0:56:310:56:38

meringues were brilliant last week

and you needed that element of

0:56:380:56:42

technical ability of understanding

how the meringue works alongside

0:56:420:56:47

making it look beautiful which

challenged Stephen which I quite

0:56:470:56:51

like the fact it challenged Stephen

because I think he's done so well at

0:56:510:56:54

making things look fabulous so far.

How many sometimes of times has he

0:56:540:56:58

won star baker?

Three or four.

What

about worst bake?

I can't say how

0:56:580:57:08

bad their bakes are because mine

have been horrible in the past. I

0:57:080:57:12

think like sometimes that you have

it when they try to be very so

0:57:120:57:16

ambitious and they realise about ten

minutes before the end...

They can't

0:57:160:57:20

manage it.

They can't manage it.

Sometimes when people do that at

0:57:200:57:25

home they don't have the time

constraint. When you are doing it in

0:57:250:57:29

timed scenario, I was at this live

interactive baking experience where

0:57:290:57:32

you can bake along in real-time and

it is only when you realise that you

0:57:320:57:36

are in the at any time and you are

against the clock, it really makes

0:57:360:57:39

it, you just do daft things. You

just lose control about how simple

0:57:390:57:45

things work like a whisk because it

is the pressure.

Scott is right. It

0:57:450:57:50

is the balance between being just

ambitious, but not stretching

0:57:500:57:54

yourself because you can fail

quickly in the tent. Whether it is

0:57:540:57:58

the oven door coming off or

overflowing things on the hob.

Who

0:57:580:58:01

is going to win?

Stephen.

Sophie.

Stephen.

Sophie.

I have the casting

0:58:010:58:09

vote -- not! Thank you very much for

bringing in your amazing creations

0:58:090:58:13

particularly love the brain cake and

the pumpkin cake. Thank you. We

0:58:130:58:16

appreciate it.

0:58:160:58:21

Carol is here. I have a lovely

little dancing skeleton if you're

0:58:240:58:30

going out to celebrate Hallowe'en,

maybe trick or treating, for most of

0:58:300:58:33

us, it will be mild. That's where

the weather starts to change. Let's

0:58:330:58:36

focus first of all on what's

happening this morning. We've got

0:58:360:58:39

some rain across the western

Highlands. That's going to be

0:58:390:58:42

persistent through the course of the

day. Rain pushing north-east wards

0:58:420:58:45

across the Northern Isles and some

showers coming in across Northern

0:58:450:58:48

Ireland, northern England and

through the day we will see one or

0:58:480:58:51

two in Wales, the Midlands and East

Anglia, but there is a lot of dry

0:58:510:58:54

weather around as well.

So this afternoon across Northern

0:58:540:58:58

Ireland, it's a mixture of bright

spells, sunshine and showers. The

0:58:580:59:02

more persistent rain hanging around

Western Scotland and Argyll and

0:59:020:59:05

Bute. Anything that goes over to the

east of Scotland will be patchy and

0:59:050:59:08

to the east of gram preians, we will

have temperatures 14 or 15 as we

0:59:080:59:11

will to the east of Pennines in any

sunshine. But quite a bit of cloud

0:59:110:59:16

with the showers across north-west

England, some of it getting across

0:59:160:59:19

the Pennines. Some showers in the

Midlands and one or two in East

0:59:190:59:22

Anglia, but this morning's cloud

will continue to break up and we

0:59:220:59:25

will start to see sunny spells

developing. Temperatures this

0:59:250:59:31

afternoon in the sunshine in

Plymouth 12 Celsius. For Wales,

0:59:310:59:33

bright skies or sunny spells with

just one or two showers as well. If

0:59:330:59:37

you are going out trick or treating

this evening, it will be mild. It

0:59:370:59:41

will be fairly cloudy. Where the

cloud breaks across southern England

0:59:410:59:45

it will be cooler, but we will have

the rain and mild conditions across

0:59:450:59:49

Northern Ireland and Scotland and

the rain sinking further south by

0:59:490:59:52

the time we get to the end of the

night. So tomorrow's rush hour

0:59:520:59:57

across Scotland and Northern Ireland

is likely to be quite wet and as

0:59:571:00:00

this front producing the rain sinks

further south, what you will find is

1:00:001:00:04

it will tend to turn weaker in

nature and the rain on it patchier

1:00:041:00:08

and behind it, we see a return to

bright spells, sunshine and showers.

1:00:081:00:12

Still quite windy in the north and

ahead of it, we are looking at the

1:00:121:00:16

cloud breaking up and some sunny

spells coming out as well.

1:00:161:00:19

Temperatures in the north, 12

Celsius. But in the south, we are

1:00:191:00:22

looking at 15 Celsius. If we pick up

the weather front producing the rain

1:00:221:00:27

it sinks south during Wednesday and

into Thursday. That's a weak

1:00:271:00:29

feature. What we will find across

southern areas is a band of cloud

1:00:291:00:33

with spots of rain, the far south of

England, seeing bright spells, but

1:00:331:00:37

look at the difference across

Scotland, northern England and

1:00:371:00:40

Northern Ireland. Much drier, much

brighter, but also it's going to

1:00:401:00:44

feel much cooler.

1:00:441:00:46

Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 10

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:00:481:00:53

A government review could see

the maximum stake for fixed-odds

1:00:531:00:55

betting terminals drop

to as little as £2.

1:00:551:01:05

The bookmakers know if you have

absolutely no chance at all of

1:01:091:01:12

putting money on. This is why they

are not accepting any bets on horses

1:01:121:01:20

or dogs and a more.

That as a man

who lost more than £300,000 on fixed

1:01:201:01:27

odds betting.

1:01:271:01:29

We're speaking to some

of those who have lost money

1:01:291:01:31

through addiction to the machines,

including a man whose

1:01:311:01:34

gambling problem cost him

half a million pounds.

1:01:341:01:36

Also this morning, women

fleeing domestic abuse have

1:01:361:01:37

told this programme they're

being left homeless because councils

1:01:371:01:40

are failing to provide them with

suitable temporary accommodation.

1:01:401:01:42

Basically begging and every day not

knowing where you're going to be

1:01:421:01:45

sleeping and at the same time trying

to put on a happy face and...

1:01:451:01:52

To be supportive for the children.

1:01:521:01:56

And as sexual harassment claims

continue to engulf Westminster,

1:01:561:01:59

we'll bring you more reaction.

1:01:591:02:03

Good morning.

1:02:091:02:11

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of todays news.

1:02:111:02:13

Good morning.

1:02:141:02:17

The government has proposed reducing

the amount of money that can be

1:02:171:02:20

staked on fixed-odds betting

terminals, to protect players

1:02:201:02:22

from racking up huge losses.

1:02:221:02:25

Betting companies earn about £1.8

billion a year from the machines,

1:02:251:02:27

which critics have described

as the "crack cocaine" of gambling.

1:02:271:02:33

The White House has

dismissed the arrest of some

1:02:331:02:37

of President Trump's former

advisers as inconsequential.

1:02:371:02:40

George Papadopoulos has

admitted lying to the FBI

1:02:401:02:44

about his contacts with Russia,

and now appears to have been helping

1:02:441:02:47

the investigation into alleged

links between the Trump

1:02:471:02:49

campaign and Moscow.

1:02:491:02:51

Two other Trump aides have been

placed under house arrest.

1:02:511:02:57

Facebook says 126 million

Americans may have come into contact

1:02:571:03:02

with Russian-backed propaganda

before and after last year's

1:03:021:03:05

presidential election.

1:03:051:03:07

Twitter and Google also say

they were used to share divisive

1:03:071:03:09

posts traced to Russia.

1:03:091:03:12

The social media giants had

initially dismissed complaints

1:03:121:03:14

about fake news as crazy.

1:03:141:03:19

The Bank of England says failure

to secure a trade deal with the EU

1:03:191:03:22

before Brexit could see the loss

of 75,000 jobs from the UK's

1:03:221:03:25

financial services sector.

1:03:251:03:29

It's told financial firms to be

prepared for "no deal",

1:03:291:03:32

but senior figures at the Bank

are said to be optimistic that

1:03:321:03:34

negotiations will be successful.

1:03:341:03:38

Women fleeing domestic abuse have

told this programme they're

1:03:381:03:41

being left homeless because councils

are failing to provide them with

1:03:411:03:44

suitable temporary accommodation.

1:03:441:03:48

It means in some cases women

are having to move time and time

1:03:481:03:51

again when councils can't

find appropriate homes.

1:03:511:03:55

The Defence Secretary,

Sir Michael Fallon, has

1:03:551:03:58

confirmed he was once

rebuked by a political journalist

1:03:581:04:00

for putting his hand

on her knee during dinner.

1:04:001:04:03

The radio presenter,

Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had

1:04:031:04:05

not been "remotely upset

or distressed" by the incident,

1:04:051:04:09

which happened 15 years ago.

1:04:091:04:11

Ms Hartley-Brewer said

that it was absurd to treat

1:04:111:04:14

misjudged sexual overtures

or flirting as being morally

1:04:141:04:15

equivalent to serious sexual

harassment or assault.

1:04:151:04:17

NetFlix has insisted its decision

to cancel the political drama,

1:04:171:04:20

House of Cards, was made before

the star of the series was accused

1:04:201:04:23

of making a sexual advance

towards a teenage boy.

1:04:231:04:29

Kevin Spacey has apologised for any

"inappropriate drunken behaviour",

1:04:291:04:33

but he's faced criticism

for using the same statement

1:04:331:04:35

to come out as gay.

1:04:351:04:40

Prince William attended the Pride

of Britain Awards last night,

1:04:401:04:42

in which first responders

to the terrorist attacks in London

1:04:421:04:44

and Manchester were among

the people honoured.

1:04:441:04:48

Just a warning, the following

pictures do contain flashing images.

1:04:481:04:50

The awards, at London's Grosvenor

Hotel, were also attended

1:04:501:04:53

by the Prime Minister.

1:04:531:04:56

Residents and community helpers

were given a special recognition

1:04:561:04:58

award for their work

following the Grenfell Tower fire.

1:04:581:05:02

Prince William praised

the "inspiring" efforts of those

1:05:021:05:05

who reacted to the tragedy.

1:05:051:05:08

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:05:081:05:10

More at 10:30.

1:05:101:05:16

Jonathan has e-mailed. He is talking

about the fixed-odds betting

1:05:161:05:20

terminals. He says he has lost so

much it would be impossible to

1:05:201:05:23

accurately calculate. The misery is

incalculable. Gambling should not be

1:05:231:05:30

made -- made illegal but strategies

need to be put in place to help

1:05:301:05:33

people like him. Individuals who are

not weak but have an illness. A good

1:05:331:05:37

start would be to limit the maximum

bet on high Street betting shops and

1:05:371:05:43

ban all gambling adverts. Alison

owns a small independent betting

1:05:431:05:47

office in Yorkshire, and continues

to watch the programme on the ACU

1:05:471:05:50

and the problems caused by

fixed-odds betting. She agrees some

1:05:501:05:55

people have a problem with betting

but it is not just restricted to

1:05:551:05:59

machines. You can bet and Gamble far

more than £100 on any dog or horse

1:05:591:06:05

race. Your guest this morning is 1

million miles wide of the mark if

1:06:051:06:11

she thinks there will be no job

losses, if the state is reduced to

1:06:111:06:16

£2 per spin. I employ five people.

They will all lose their jobs the

1:06:161:06:21

following day should this extreme

action be taken. Thank you for

1:06:211:06:24

those.

Do get in touch.

1:06:241:06:27

Here's some sport now

with Olly Foster.

1:06:271:06:33

Good morning. Four Olympic golds,

six world championship titles, that

1:06:331:06:39

is the impact Alberto Salazar had on

so Mo Farah's career. But after six

1:06:391:06:43

years he is leaving his American

colt to return to the UK with his

1:06:431:06:47

family. He says the split has

nothing to do with the two-year US

1:06:471:06:52

anti-doping investigation into

Salazar. Both men deny any

1:06:521:06:55

wrongdoing. None of Salazar's

athletes have ever failed a drugs

1:06:551:06:58

test. Farah resigned -- retired from

the track this summer. Gary Locke

1:06:581:07:04

will oversee his marathon career.

Farah posted this message on social

1:07:041:07:09

media.

1:07:091:07:10

I want to thank each member

of the project and Alberto

1:07:101:07:12

for what he has done over the years.

Yeah, so I'm coming back.

1:07:121:07:16

My new coach is Gary Locke,

who coached Paula Radcliffe

1:07:161:07:18

through her marathons.

1:07:181:07:19

Very excited to start

a new project, a new start.

1:07:191:07:21

I can't wait to be back home

and I can't wait to see my team,

1:07:211:07:25

Arsenal, at the Emirates.

1:07:251:07:31

In the next half an hour at

Westminster, ADC select -- select

1:07:311:07:36

committee will hear from figures

within Paralympic sport as they

1:07:361:07:39

examine the classification of sports

within the Paralympic movement. A

1:07:391:07:45

BBC investigation uncovered claims

that some athletes manipulate the

1:07:451:07:49

rules, exaggerate their impairments,

to give them a better chance of

1:07:491:07:52

winning.

I don't subscribe to the view that

1:07:521:07:55

there is a fundamental weakness

within sport. I don't subscribe to

1:07:551:08:01

the view that it is absolutely

perfect either. I think actually it

1:08:011:08:07

is a very sophisticated part of

Paralympic sport that is getting

1:08:071:08:10

better, that is getting more

understood, and it fundamentally

1:08:101:08:14

does work to support the athletes to

compete and win fairly.

Much more on

1:08:141:08:18

that select committee looking into

Paralympic sport on this programme

1:08:181:08:23

with Victoria after half past ten.

In the Premier League last night,

1:08:231:08:29

Sean Dyche celebrated five years at

Burnley in the best possible way. It

1:08:291:08:34

was a win for his team. They are

into seventh after beating Newcastle

1:08:341:08:41

1-0, Jeff Hendrick with the goal.

Dyche has recently been linked with

1:08:411:08:48

the vacant Everton job. England's

cricketers have had their first

1:08:481:08:52

practice session in Australia ahead

of the Ashes. They are in Perth and

1:08:521:08:56

they will face a waca 11 on

Saturday. We have heard from James

1:08:561:09:01

Vince, who is expected to bat at

three. He was dropped last year. He

1:09:011:09:06

says he was surprised to get a

recall. He is determined to make the

1:09:061:09:10

most of his second chance.

I think if you go to the side and do

1:09:101:09:16

well you get pompous up and it's all

very rosy. On the flip side if you

1:09:161:09:19

get pompous up and it's all very

rosy. On the flip side if you're

1:09:191:09:22

having a tough time, that is also

publicised. It was hard to deal with

1:09:221:09:25

at times. I felt I should be doing

better than what I was. Thankful to

1:09:251:09:29

have another opportunity now,

especially in Australia against the

1:09:291:09:33

Aussies in an Ashes series.

Blue skies in Perth.

1:09:331:09:38

Not jealous at all. Back with more

later. Thank you. Good morning.

1:09:381:09:42

On this programme tomorrow, we'll be

joined by an audience of women -

1:09:421:09:45

and some men - who've been sexually

harassed in all walks of life,

1:09:451:09:48

in the NHS, in schools, in banks.

1:09:481:09:51

But it's harassment in the world

of politics and acting

1:09:511:09:54

which is dominating headlines.

1:09:541:09:56

Conservative cabinet

minister Michael Fallon -

1:09:561:09:58

who's one of the most senior men

in Theresa May's government -

1:09:581:10:01

has admitted inappropriately

touching a female journalist,

1:10:011:10:04

by repeatedly putting his hand

on her knee in 2002.

1:10:041:10:08

She threatened to punch

him unless he stopped.

1:10:081:10:10

That allegation is thought to be

the tip of the iceberg,

1:10:101:10:17

Let's speak to Norman Smith,

who's in Westminster.

1:10:171:10:22

How serious is this for Michael

Fallon? I suppose mitigating this is

1:10:221:10:27

the fact it happened back in 2002.

The reaction of the journalist

1:10:271:10:31

involved, Julia Hartley-Brewer, she

tweeted that she doesn't see herself

1:10:311:10:36

as a victim, that she is still

friends with Michael Fallon and she

1:10:361:10:40

doesn't want this to be compared to

some of the allegations of sexual

1:10:401:10:45

harassment and intimidation that

have been swirling around

1:10:451:10:46

Westminster. In that sense it is the

lesser end of the accusations. And

1:10:461:10:53

her view, and I suspect the view of

many people, will be the danger of

1:10:531:10:58

conflating this incident, which was

Michael Fallon repeatedly putting

1:10:581:11:01

his hand on her knee at a dinner at

the Conservative Party conference,

1:11:011:11:05

isn't in the same league as, you

know, situations where older male

1:11:051:11:11

MPs are behaving in a predatory way

towards younger female researchers.

1:11:111:11:17

Clearly the dynamic is somewhat

different. Add this morning I notice

1:11:171:11:20

Julia Hartley-Brewer was taking a

fairly light-hearted approach to

1:11:201:11:24

add. She put up tweet. Full medical

checkup this morning, and yes, both

1:11:241:11:30

of my knees are still intact. Get a

grip, people. Although, not of my

1:11:301:11:37

knee, obviously. She is not taking

it too seriously. I suspect a lot of

1:11:371:11:42

people at Westminster will take the

view there are serious problems to

1:11:421:11:45

be addressed. There are issues

around a grossly inadequate

1:11:451:11:49

complaints system. There are issues

around the vulnerability of junior

1:11:491:11:53

members of staff and the culture at

Westminster. And the danger is they

1:11:531:11:58

get sort of conflated and confused

and maybe even trivialised by much

1:11:581:12:03

lesser incidents, perhaps like that

involving Sir Michael Fallon.

What

1:12:031:12:08

else do you know about this dossier

of MPs acting inappropriately?

The

1:12:081:12:15

dossier is reported to have 35 named

MPs who are accused of a whole range

1:12:151:12:21

of sexual misdemeanours. From

inappropriate behaviour to

1:12:211:12:28

intimidating attitude towards staff,

to asking staff to do inappropriate

1:12:281:12:34

duties. A whole range of things. I

have to say, no names. I guess that

1:12:341:12:39

is where we are at the moment. There

is a whole swirl of allegations but

1:12:391:12:45

there is a lack, at the moment, of

hard evidence. And that kind of, I

1:12:451:12:51

suspect, reflected truth here that

many of the victims and probably

1:12:511:12:54

most of them are junior

Parliamentary aides, researchers,

1:12:541:13:00

people on work placement, just do

not feel in the position to go

1:13:001:13:03

public and make those sort of

accusations about MPs, much more

1:13:031:13:10

senior figures. They probably feel

intimidated and simply don't want to

1:13:101:13:13

go there. That is why there is this

view that there has to be a much

1:13:131:13:17

more coherent, user-friendly

complaints system. At the moment the

1:13:171:13:22

only way you can really raise a

complaint about an MP is to go to

1:13:221:13:26

the MP, which of course is a

complete no no for many people if

1:13:261:13:31

they have been victims of harassment

by that particular MP. One other

1:13:311:13:35

thing worth saying is that although

there is a lot of rhetoric about

1:13:351:13:40

something must be done, the speaker

yesterday kind of passed the ball

1:13:401:13:46

back to the political parties to do

something. He is not going to do it.

1:13:461:13:49

He doesn't believe it is up to the

political authorities. He believes

1:13:491:13:54

it is down to the political parties.

The danger is that politics gets

1:13:541:13:59

wrapped up in this. I am reminded

that when David Cameron tried to

1:13:591:14:04

introduce a mandatory code of

conduct in 2014 for Tory MPs, they

1:14:041:14:08

basically told him to take a running

jump, that it was none of his

1:14:081:14:12

business or the party's business to

try and set out how they should run

1:14:121:14:17

relations between themselves and

their staff. So getting the parties

1:14:171:14:21

to do something and then to agree on

it, may yet be quite a challenge.

1:14:211:14:25

Thank you.

1:14:251:14:29

The maximum stake for fixed-odds

betting terminals could drop

1:14:291:14:32

to as little as £2, under

a government review.

1:14:321:14:34

Currently, people can bet up

to £100 every 20 seconds

1:14:341:14:36

on the gaming machines,

but proposals could limit that

1:14:361:14:38

to between £2 and £50.

1:14:381:14:44

Jim Reid has been speaking to

gamblers, some of whom have lost

1:14:441:14:47

thousands.

1:14:471:14:47

I was in that hairdressers over

the road and I don't

1:14:471:14:50

know what happened.

1:14:501:14:51

I came out of the hairdressers

I thought, oh, go on,

1:14:511:14:54

what's the harm, I'll go

in and have a go.

1:14:541:14:56

The addiction is always present.

1:14:561:14:57

I fed in what I had in my wallet,

which I think was about £90.

1:14:571:15:01

Then I came out, took some money

out of the cashpoint.

1:15:011:15:04

At this point, I was totally

devastated and just completely

1:15:041:15:06

caught up in the gambling.

1:15:061:15:07

In a red mist is probably the best

way to describe it, or fog.

1:15:071:15:13

And I just went to the counter

and said, you know, 500.

1:15:131:15:16

I lost that in the space

of a few minutes.

1:15:161:15:18

1,000, I lost that.

1:15:181:15:20

1,000, lost that, and another 1,000

- until I had no more

1:15:201:15:23

money in my bank account.

1:15:231:15:27

I was in that hairdressers over

the road and I don't

1:15:271:15:47

I've got a flat set up

and everything ready to go.

1:15:471:15:50

But because of that relapse,

and because my wife realised

1:15:501:15:52

I was still very much

in the gambling, the

1:15:521:15:54

addiction was there...

1:15:541:16:01

There are plans to tackle the way

online betting sites are sold and

1:16:011:16:05

advertised. Last week this programme

revealed that 95% of TV advertising

1:16:051:16:10

breaks during live, UK football

matches feature at least one

1:16:101:16:13

gambling advert.

As revealed by our reporter Jim

1:16:131:16:17

Reed. So what is the Government

saying?

They are saying they want to

1:16:171:16:23

tighten the rules around

advertising. We are talking about a

1:16:231:16:26

crackdown in particular on betting

adverts appearing in the social

1:16:261:16:29

media feed of under-18s which is one

thing there has been a big campaign

1:16:291:16:32

about in the press and new rules on

adverts which encourage impulsive

1:16:321:16:38

gambling. If you watch a lot of live

football a lot of the adverts, the

1:16:381:16:42

message is bet now, go online, best

odds now if you go online. It is

1:16:421:16:47

adverts like that would fall foul of

the new regulations.

1:16:471:16:51

Some people would like things to go

further, I think, wouldn't they?

You

1:16:511:16:56

have got this situation with

advertising and gambling where it is

1:16:561:16:59

banned or the rules ban if before

the 9pm watershed shed and ed is an

1:16:591:17:04

exception and that loophole is for

any live sport and that's one reason

1:17:041:17:07

you see the big increase if gambling

adverts in live football matches.

1:17:071:17:13

You were talking earlier and we did

research last week showing in some

1:17:131:17:17

games one in three of the adverts,

shown before the watershed, are for

1:17:171:17:21

gambling companies. Some people

think they need to be completely

1:17:211:17:29

banned in live sport. At one time we

thought that's the way the

1:17:291:17:33

Government in this country was going

to head. They haven't gone that way.

1:17:331:17:37

There will be a new pot of money, we

think between £5 million and £7

1:17:371:17:44

million for an advertising campaign

for responsible gambling and those

1:17:441:17:48

adverts will be shown in live

football matches.

What response to

1:17:481:17:51

that?

Labour say it doesn't go far

enough. Tom Watson speaking about

1:17:511:17:59

and add ask about adverts. Labour

say more research is needed to show

1:17:591:18:03

that they lead to more problem

gambling. They would take extra

1:18:031:18:07

measures including banning betting

firms advertising on football shirts

1:18:071:18:10

for example.

Thank you, Jim.

1:18:101:18:13

Some more comments from you. This

texter says, "I am a compulsive

1:18:131:18:20

gambler, the sooner they cap the

terminals to £2 a stake. . People's

1:18:201:18:26

lives are being destroyed by these

machines." This e-mail from

1:18:261:18:30

Lorraine, "My brother would steal

whatever he could from our family to

1:18:301:18:33

fund his gambling. This has gone on

for years. He won big, but he lost a

1:18:331:18:38

lot bigger." . I have known for a

long time that my sister has been

1:18:381:18:47

stealing from my mum and dad's bank

accounts, she plays bingo and bets

1:18:471:18:51

on the horses." Mick says, "The

betting shops have become high stake

1:18:511:18:57

amusement arcades. These machines

should never about been allowed in

1:18:571:19:01

the bookmakers in the first place.

The FOBTs should be taken out."

1:19:011:19:07

Let's speak to Terry White,

whose gambling problems

1:19:071:19:13

have cost him £500,000.

1:19:131:19:14

In the studio I am joined by

Conservative MP Sir Peter Bottomley,

1:19:141:19:19

who is secretary for a cross-party

group on fixed-odds betting.

1:19:191:19:25

Terry White, tell bus your own

problems.

Well, I have been a

1:19:251:19:28

gambler since the age of about 15

even and usually bet on sport, horse

1:19:281:19:35

racing and mainly football and it

was relatively under control and I

1:19:351:19:39

was actually quite successful of it

and made a few hundred thousand, but

1:19:391:19:43

sadly when the machines were

introduced into the betting shops

1:19:431:19:46

about 15 years ago, I went from sort

of £5 and £10 stakes betting in

1:19:461:19:52

hundreds and then in thousands and

then sadly in tens of thousands to

1:19:521:19:56

the extent that I have lost my home,

and I am about to be made bankrupt

1:19:561:20:01

and I am addicted to them and I

believe that the betting operators

1:20:011:20:05

have not helped me enough and

certainly they have not recognise

1:20:051:20:08

that had for quite a few people we

have serious issues with them and

1:20:081:20:12

there needs to be tighter

regulation.

If the stake had been

1:20:121:20:15

£2, do you think your life would

have been very different?

Oh very

1:20:151:20:19

much so, Victoria. It would have

simply have been not just a few

1:20:191:20:23

thousand, which obviously is a lot

of money to many people, but it

1:20:231:20:27

wouldn't have created the buzz and

high stakes adrenalin that you get

1:20:271:20:35

when there is hundreds of pounds

thousands of pounds at stake. You

1:20:351:20:40

are stealing and begging and doing

all sorts of things to feed at the

1:20:401:20:46

addiction, the betting staff can't

help, they are under pressure to

1:20:461:20:49

come and make customers aware that

they are spending perhaps over what

1:20:491:20:53

they should, but realistically, you

know, they are employees of of a

1:20:531:20:57

betting organisation and their first

responsibility is to their

1:20:571:21:00

employers, I guess.

Sir Peter

Bottomley, the proposals which will

1:21:001:21:04

be consulted on over the next three

months suggest a stake could be £2,

1:21:041:21:10

but it could be £50. What would you

go for?

£2. We ought to have Terry's

1:21:101:21:17

law. People like he could have fun.

They could risk a bit, lose a bit

1:21:171:21:22

and gain a bit, but mainly lose and

he would be able to live his life

1:21:221:21:26

without disturbance. If these

so-called betting shops would close,

1:21:261:21:29

if the machines weren't there at

£100, or £50, they are not betting

1:21:291:21:35

shops, they are machine shops and

the ways of stripping money out of

1:21:351:21:41

people, nearly £500 million goes to

the government.

You have no sympathy

1:21:411:21:46

that thousands of jobs will be lost.

The betting industry are beginning

1:21:461:21:49

to tar themselves with a bad sort of

colour. If there were no horses in

1:21:491:21:54

this country, they could go on

running machines. We have a lot of

1:21:541:21:59

employment in our horse industry,

breeding, and running and race

1:21:591:22:03

courses. They say they would prefer

to get rid of that and just have the

1:22:031:22:09

machines, there is just one person

sitting in a so-called shop with

1:22:091:22:12

four machines there. They declared

their own stake, their stake is to

1:22:121:22:18

rapid off people like Terry. If

Terry was spending say £10,000 a

1:22:181:22:24

year on gambling, instead of that if

he put £9,000 into extending his

1:22:241:22:31

house and buying new furniture, the

employment factor is higher than one

1:22:311:22:36

person, not supervising gamblers

losing money in four machines.

The

1:22:361:22:42

all-party Parliamentary group on

fixed odds betting terminals, has it

1:22:421:22:49

weakened its case by accepting

donations from companies that

1:22:491:22:52

operate rival products to bookies

such as donation from DJ

1:22:521:22:56

Wetherspoon.

The simple answer is

no.

How is that possible?

When I was

1:22:561:23:04

young I spent my time working at a

fun fair. I met a man called Pat

1:23:041:23:09

O'Neill. He has died, but his family

go on running it. Come down to

1:23:091:23:14

Worthing and look atten ect Leisure

and look the fun people are having.

1:23:141:23:18

Why are you taking donation from JD

Wetherspoon's.

How do you run an

1:23:181:23:23

organisation against the bookmakers.

Take Gala Bingo. See people having,

1:23:231:23:30

society, in community, being able to

buy food cheaply, stake small ams of

1:23:301:23:35

money on their bingo, some small

machines, nothing like the pour your

1:23:351:23:39

money down this slot for the FOBTs,

and they are not defending it, they

1:23:391:23:47

are ripping people off, nobody

intended in Parliament they should

1:23:471:23:50

lose money at the rate Terry did and

bring in Terry's law.

Thank you very

1:23:501:23:54

much. Thank you. Conservative MP Sir

Peter Bottomley and Terry White,

1:23:541:23:59

thank you for coming on the

programme. Thank you.

1:23:591:24:02

It was another eventful day

for President Trump yesterday.

1:24:071:24:09

His former campaign manager faces

serious charges of money laundering

1:24:091:24:11

and his former foreign policy

adviser admitted that he'd lied

1:24:111:24:14

to the FBI over his

Russian connections.

1:24:141:24:18

This is a big deal because for

months, the White House has denied

1:24:181:24:21

any collusion with Russia

during the election campaign.

1:24:211:24:23

Now this man, George Papadopoulos,

seen here fourth from the left

1:24:231:24:27

of Donald Trump, has admitted

he falsely claimed he met with two

1:24:271:24:30

Russian go-betweens before joining

the Trump campaign in March 2016.

1:24:301:24:33

In fact, he met them

after joining the campaign.

1:24:331:24:43

We can talk now to

Dr Sebastian Gorka.

1:24:461:24:50

He, was until recently,

one of Donald Trunp's

1:24:501:24:52

most senior advisers.

1:24:521:24:54

At one stage he was dubbed the most

powerful Brit in the White House

1:24:541:25:01

A

1:25:011:25:01

until he was sacked a few

months ago from his role.

1:25:011:25:08

We can also hear

from Nancy Soderburgh,

1:25:081:25:10

a former White House National

Security Advisor to Bill Clinton

1:25:101:25:13

who is now running for Congress

in Florida for the Democrats.

1:25:131:25:16

Dr Gorka isn't time that Donald

Trump came about his links and his

1:25:161:25:20

office's links to Russia?

He doesn't

have any.

So there is nothing to

1:25:201:25:24

come clean about.

There is nothing

to find. Yesterday's unveiling of

1:25:241:25:34

why a fraud charges dating back 11

years and Manafort's connections to

1:25:341:25:41

the Ukraine just have nothing to do

with Russia and have nothing to do

1:25:411:25:45

with collusion and the fact that you

called a 29-year-old peripheral

1:25:451:25:50

individual his foreign policy

adviser is a great example of fake

1:25:501:25:53

news. That individual was part of

the committee that met once and he

1:25:531:25:58

in no way, shape or form was the

foreign policy adviser to Donald

1:25:581:26:03

Trump. It's desperation. It is the

left clutching at straws. There is

1:26:031:26:08

no collusion. There is no conspiracy

and they will find No none if you

1:26:081:26:13

want to prosecute why a fraud and

not paying your taxes and that's

1:26:131:26:17

fine, but it has nothing to do do

with collusion. If you look Hillary

1:26:171:26:28

Clinton the $140 million paid into

her bang at her foundation and the

1:26:281:26:33

dodgy dossier which her lawyers

spent $12 million on.

Do you think

1:26:331:26:36

it will be enough to simply continue

to say there was no collusion? That

1:26:361:26:40

will be enough?

Yes. Absolutely.

Zero. None.

Can you think of why

1:26:401:26:46

this man would lie about meetings

with the two Russian go-between?

You

1:26:461:26:50

would have to ask him. This is

clearly a person who oversold

1:26:501:26:53

himself. If you look at the

indictment sheet for the individual

1:26:531:26:57

that you are talking about, there is

a very interesting footnote on it.

1:26:571:27:02

It is page eight where they quote an

e-mail where they say, "We will not

1:27:021:27:06

talk anymore to this person because

clearly he is misrepresenting

1:27:061:27:10

himself." Even the campaign thought

this guy was something doing

1:27:101:27:15

something that was untoward and they

rejected his advances.

There is some

1:27:151:27:21

speculation that George Papadopoulos

became an informant for the FBI and

1:27:211:27:24

was wearing a wire in order to

gather information on potential

1:27:241:27:27

suspects. Would than worrying to

Donald Trump?

No, not at all because

1:27:271:27:32

they are never going to find

anything because there is nothing

1:27:321:27:35

there. The bottom line is look at

what he was charged with. He wasn't

1:27:351:27:42

charged with anything criminal

relating to the election or Russia

1:27:421:27:44

or anything else, he was charged

with lying to federal agents in an

1:27:441:27:49

interview. That tells you there is

smoke, but no fire.

Does it bother

1:27:491:27:55

President Trump that there were

people around him who have since

1:27:551:27:58

lied to official investigators?

I

don't think so. I don't think. The

1:27:581:28:02

president isn't responsible for

everybody's actions around him.

1:28:021:28:06

Essentially peripheral figures who

met in a committee once. He has got

1:28:061:28:10

important things to do and they

don't include George Papadopoulos.

I

1:28:101:28:13

want to ask you about another big

issue in the UK and in the United

1:28:131:28:18

States, headlines dominated by

sexual harassment claims in

1:28:181:28:21

Hollywood and in politics. The

president has faced allegations of

1:28:211:28:26

sexual harassment how weiried will

he be at the moment?

Zero worried.

1:28:261:28:30

Because...

Because there is nothing

there again. It's just desperation.

1:28:301:28:36

The left knows this is the most

successful president in the first

1:28:361:28:41

nine months in modern history. You

look at the economy. One million

1:28:411:28:44

jobs created. You look at the 47

stock market record break since 20th

1:28:441:28:49

January. You look at 78% decease in

illegal migration. Nato revitalised

1:28:491:28:57

at 2% of GDP spending, Isis kicked

out of Mosul, Isis kicked out of

1:28:571:29:02

Raqqa. This is just the left, they

can't get over that 8th November's

1:29:021:29:07

victory of the rank outside of

Donald J Trump so they keep doing

1:29:071:29:10

this fake news, but it's irrelevant.

It is not fake that Donald Trump

1:29:101:29:15

talked about grabbing a woman by the

vagina.

Yeah, guys talk about a lot

1:29:151:29:20

of things in private, so what? It's

not trying to have sex with a

1:29:201:29:27

14-year-old old boy like Kevin

Spacey.

So that's acceptable?

What,

1:29:271:29:32

locker room talk? Do you know men

who talk crudely privately or don't

1:29:321:29:36

you?

I mean it is irrelevant. As it

1:29:361:29:41

happens I don't know that anyone

would use that kind of language.

You

1:29:411:29:45

must live in a very rarified

atmosphere. You never met anybody

1:29:451:29:49

who plays rugby or soccer and uses

blue language privately then you

1:29:491:29:53

really must be a member of the

closeted elite.

Have you ever had

1:29:531:29:58

conversations with him about those

claims from the women who said he

1:29:581:30:01

sexually harassed them?

No, as a

strategist to the president of the

1:30:011:30:06

United States, funnily enough I

haven't.

1:30:061:30:10

Let me bring in Nancy. The

significance of the arrest first of

1:30:101:30:14

all in your view?

Well, good

morning. I think this is not a good

1:30:141:30:20

day for Donald Trump. This is an

indictment of his campaign chairman

1:30:201:30:29

and the arrest of two other people

involved at various levels of the

1:30:291:30:34

campaign and it is very clear that

the junior guy, George Papadopoulos,

1:30:341:30:38

has been wearing a wire, I think,

very clearly. I think this is just

1:30:381:30:42

the first of more facts to come out,

but I think Sebastian is right in

1:30:421:30:49

that this doesn't lead yet to the

president. We don't know whether it

1:30:491:30:52

will lead to the president. This is

clearly some e-mails coming out

1:30:521:30:57

about being approached by the

Russians, being willing to take dirt

1:30:571:31:00

on Hillary Clinton in the campaign.

That's been known. What wasn't known

1:31:001:31:06

is there was this young guy, until

yesterday, I don't think anyone had

1:31:061:31:10

heard of, had been approached as

sort of the point person at a junior

1:31:101:31:15

level to reach out to the Russians

and he sought repeated meetings with

1:31:151:31:22

the Russians and they all lied about

it. Paul man that ford came out a

1:31:221:31:27

year-and-a-half that he had taken

shush money from theure gainian

1:31:271:31:31

government and I thought at the time

he hadn't paid taxes on that, so

1:31:311:31:35

that would be a drip, drip, drip

which Sebastian is right, doesn't

1:31:351:31:40

affect Donald Trump. But what may

affect Donald Trump and it is

1:31:401:31:45

important to let this independent,

led by Muller who is not a partisan

1:31:451:31:50

continue the investigation because

we don't know what went on during

1:31:501:31:54

the elections. I'm not one who

questions the outcome of the

1:31:541:31:57

elections and I have moved on from

that and trying to go back and dig

1:31:571:32:00

up more dirt on Hillary Clinton is

simply a distraction. What we need

1:32:001:32:05

to know is what did the president

know and when did he know it? It

1:32:051:32:08

maybe nothing.

1:32:081:32:13

There are some characters around the

president, Mike Flynn, who lied

1:32:131:32:18

about his meetings with the

Russians.

We don't know his legal

1:32:181:32:22

studies. There are meetings Donald

Trump's son had. What has come Eigg

1:32:221:32:31

with these indictments, this is the

beginning, not the end. We don't

1:32:311:32:38

know what the president is going to

do. He has the right to pardon these

1:32:381:32:42

individuals. He has already done it

on a popular sheriff who was tough

1:32:421:32:46

on immigration. It will be a

rallying cry for the president. We

1:32:461:32:54

will see. The plot thickens today.

Thank you very much.

1:32:541:33:01

Still to come macro, we will hear

claims that UK athletics have

1:33:011:33:06

manipulated the Paralympic

classification system to win medals.

1:33:061:33:09

A parliamentary hearing is about to

get under way. And survivors of

1:33:091:33:13

domestic abuse talus Mike Baird

trying to get suitable

1:33:131:33:21

accommodation. -- tell us. Now the

latest news.

1:33:211:33:24

Good morning.

1:33:241:33:26

The government has proposed reducing

the amount of money that can be

1:33:261:33:28

staked on fixed-odds betting

terminals, to protect players

1:33:281:33:30

from racking up huge losses.

1:33:301:33:40

Measures will undergo a short

consultation period. Critics call

1:33:421:33:46

the machines the crack cocaine of

gambling.

1:33:461:33:49

The White House has

dismissed the arrest of some

1:33:491:33:51

of President Trump's former

advisers as "nothing to do

1:33:511:33:53

with the president".

1:33:531:33:54

George Papadopoulos has

admitted lying to the FBI

1:33:541:33:56

about his contacts with Russia,

and now appears to have been helping

1:33:561:33:59

the investigation into alleged

links between the Trump

1:33:591:34:01

campaign and Moscow.

1:34:011:34:02

Two other Trump aides have been

placed under house arrest.

1:34:021:34:08

Facebook says 126 million

Americans may have come into contact

1:34:081:34:12

with Russian-backed propaganda

before and after last year's

1:34:121:34:16

presidential election.

1:34:161:34:17

Twitter and Google also say

they were used to share divisive

1:34:171:34:19

posts traced to Russia.

1:34:191:34:22

The social media giants had

initially dismissed complaints

1:34:221:34:24

about fake news as crazy.

1:34:241:34:28

The Bank of England says failure

to secure a trade deal with the EU

1:34:281:34:32

before Brexit could see the loss

of 75,000 jobs from the UK's

1:34:321:34:35

financial services sector.

1:34:351:34:37

It's told financial firms to be

prepared for "no deal",

1:34:371:34:39

but senior figures at the Bank

are said to be optimistic that

1:34:391:34:42

negotiations will be successful.

1:34:421:34:47

Women fleeing domestic abuse have

told this programme they're

1:34:471:34:50

being left homeless because councils

are failing to provide them with

1:34:501:34:53

suitable temporary accommodation.

1:34:531:34:54

It means in some cases women

are having to move time and time

1:34:541:34:58

again when councils can't

find appropriate homes.

1:34:581:35:03

The Defence Secretary,

Sir Michael Fallon, has

1:35:031:35:05

confirmed he was once

rebuked by a political journalist

1:35:051:35:07

for putting his hand

on her knee during dinner.

1:35:071:35:10

The radio presenter,

Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had

1:35:101:35:13

not been "remotely upset

or distressed" by the incident,

1:35:131:35:17

which happened 15 years ago.

1:35:171:35:19

Ms Hartley-Brewer said

that it was absurd to treat

1:35:191:35:21

misjudged sexual overtures

or flirting as being morally

1:35:211:35:23

equivalent to serious sexual

harassment or assault.

1:35:231:35:28

That is a summary of the latest BBC

News.

1:35:281:35:33

An e-mail from Chris, a very worried

mother. On fixed odds betting

1:35:331:35:40

terminals, she says her son has a

terrible addiction and it is ruining

1:35:401:35:43

their lives. He has banned himself

from all his local betting shops but

1:35:431:35:49

that doesn't work.

They allow him back in. If you want

1:35:491:35:52

to get in touch, you can do so.

Now the sport. Hello. Sir Mo Farah

1:35:521:36:01

has left his American coach, Alberto

Salazar. He is returning to the UK

1:36:011:36:06

with Gary Locke said to oversee his

marathon career. Salles -- Salazar

1:36:061:36:11

is the subject of the UK and did

open investigation. Sean Dyche mark

1:36:111:36:16

five years as manager of Burnley

with a victory over Newcastle last

1:36:161:36:21

night. Jeff Hendrick with the only

goal. They are into seventh in the

1:36:211:36:26

Premier League. Manchester United

Tigger 100% record into their

1:36:261:36:29

Champions League group game against

Benfica. Victory could take United

1:36:291:36:33

into the knockout stages. Chelsea

and Celtic also play tonight. And

1:36:331:36:38

Ronnie O'Sullivan has been knocked

out of the International open in

1:36:381:36:41

China by 17-year-old. Sullivan says

the only men to have played that

1:36:411:36:47

well against him are John Higgins

and Stephen Hendry. That is all your

1:36:471:36:51

support of this morning. I am back

with more after 11.

1:36:511:36:53

Thank you. Let's talk about

Paralympics.

1:36:531:36:58

Some of Britain's most successful

Paralympic athletes are facing

1:36:581:37:00

suggestions they won their gold

medals unfairly at parliamentary

1:37:001:37:02

hearing, which is under way

right now, on whether

1:37:021:37:05

the classification system

is fit for purpose.

1:37:051:37:09

We'll bring you some of it live.

1:37:091:37:10

First, here's a guide as how

the classification system

1:37:101:37:13

actually works.

1:37:131:37:22

I beg your pardon.

1:37:281:37:32

Earlier we spoke to two

Paralympic athletes -

1:37:321:37:34

James Freeman, who has cerebal palsy

and thinks he's raced against

1:37:341:37:36

wrongly categorised athletes.

1:37:361:37:37

And Richard Whitehead,

four-times world champion,

1:37:371:37:39

two-time Parlympian gold medal

winner for the 200 metres.

1:37:391:37:42

James, I'm going to start with you,

the accusation is that athletes

1:37:421:37:45

are pretending to be more disabled

than they are in order to win more.

1:37:451:37:49

Have you come across this?

1:37:491:37:50

Yes.

1:37:501:37:52

I've come across this

a number of times.

1:37:521:37:57

It is purely down to

the range of motion.

1:37:571:38:01

So you'll instantly be able to tell

if someone is less disabled

1:38:011:38:04

than they already are.

1:38:041:38:07

You can tell by the way they sit,

the posture, in terms of racing,

1:38:071:38:11

it's all about core function.

1:38:111:38:15

The motor skills, if you will.

1:38:151:38:21

The more range of

movement they have.

1:38:211:38:22

OK.

1:38:221:38:23

So in its most basic term,

for example, you wouldn't be able

1:38:231:38:28

to get out of your wheelchair?

1:38:281:38:30

No.

1:38:301:38:31

But are you saying there are some

athletes in the same

1:38:311:38:34

category as you who can?

1:38:341:38:35

Yes.

1:38:351:38:36

And who lie about that?

1:38:361:38:37

Yes.

1:38:371:38:40

Or maybe not necessarily...

1:38:401:38:43

maybe necessarily they have a lack

of education when it comes

1:38:431:38:45

to the whole classification system,

I don't know.

1:38:451:38:49

So of course, we can't blame these

people, they may not

1:38:491:38:52

know that's the case.

1:38:521:38:53

But you think some do know

and are doing it deliberately?

1:38:531:38:56

Yes.

1:38:561:38:57

And what impact does

not have on somebody

1:38:571:38:59

like you who wants to compete?

1:38:591:39:00

Well, I feel that like it happens...

1:39:001:39:04

that I've been training for seven

years and when you have someone

1:39:041:39:07

who is physically better

than you and who is a lot physically

1:39:071:39:10

stronger than you and has more core

strength and is all-round

1:39:101:39:14

going to be better than you just

on the ability alone it has a huge

1:39:141:39:20

downer on your enthusiasm to go

and train, to race.

1:39:201:39:26

I've seen people come

into the sport and leave just

1:39:261:39:29

because they thought,

there's no point, there's no point

1:39:291:39:31

in competing because you have people

that are physically better

1:39:311:39:37

and are going to be physically

better and I don't know,

1:39:371:39:43

I had to have a really serious

conversation with my coach

1:39:431:39:45

and family about whether it was

going to be just a hobby for me

1:39:451:39:50

and nothing else because it was

so hard to be in that environment

1:39:501:39:54

and know that these people

were better than you and you

1:39:541:40:00

couldn't do anything about it.

1:40:001:40:02

Richard, how do you react

to what James has just told us?

1:40:021:40:06

Good morning, Victoria.

1:40:061:40:09

I totally disagree

with the comment before.

1:40:091:40:16

I'm an athlete that's on the ground,

I've been involved in the movement,

1:40:161:40:21

the Paralympic movement all my life,

really, but on the track since 2010.

1:40:211:40:26

And for me, it's governed...

1:40:261:40:34

BREAK IN SOUND

1:40:341:40:38

And this morning,

around widespread cheating,

1:40:381:40:42

I've not seen that...

1:40:421:40:45

You've never seen a fellow

competitor pretending to be

1:40:451:40:47

less disabled in order

to gain an advantage?

1:40:471:40:51

Why would you do that?

1:40:511:40:53

In order to gain

a competitive advantage?

1:40:531:40:59

Obviously not impossible that

people want to cheat.

1:40:591:41:01

It's possible.

1:41:011:41:06

Then there's governance

in place to stop that,

1:41:061:41:08

these are professional people,

professional doctors,

1:41:081:41:09

professional classifiers that

are independent of British athletics

1:41:091:41:16

and they sit the athletes down,

they classify the athletes and put

1:41:161:41:19

them into a category

for which they will compete.

1:41:191:41:26

There is a range of impairments

in the classification so there's

1:41:261:41:30

athletes at the top,

the middle and the bottom of that

1:41:301:41:32

class because we all can't be

the same, in my class we all can't

1:41:321:41:36

be the same and it's

about on the day, the best athlete

1:41:361:41:42

winning, the athlete that trains

the hardest, the athlete that wants

1:41:421:41:46

it the most and some of these

accusations actually do astound me.

1:41:461:41:50

I say, I am a double

Paralympic gold medallist,

1:41:501:41:55

four times world champion,

I've been team captain twice

1:41:551:41:59

and I want to be part of a team that

has core values that reflect

1:41:591:42:02

who we are as a team

and the athletes, I'm sure,

1:42:021:42:09

want the same as me.

1:42:091:42:14

So we want to have clarity around

this and clarity around

1:42:141:42:16

the governance of the sport

so the IPC have questions to answer.

1:42:161:42:22

James, do you not trust

the governance of the sport,

1:42:221:42:24

do you not trust the officials

Richard just listed who look

1:42:241:42:28

at the medical information,

who talk to the particular athlete

1:42:281:42:30

concerned and their trainers,

physios and so on?

1:42:301:42:36

It's not that I don't trust them,

I think more needs to go into it.

1:42:361:42:41

I think we need more than just one

classifier to look at you.

1:42:411:42:44

I completely agree with Richard.

1:42:441:42:46

It's all about who trains

the hardest and the category system

1:42:461:42:49

is in place and I agree with that.

1:42:491:42:55

Mine is a little

harder to distinguish.

1:42:551:42:59

I am a T33, and the next

category is T34.

1:42:591:43:05

Both CP which is what I have...

1:43:051:43:07

Cerebral palsy.

1:43:071:43:08

Cerebral palsy, yes.

1:43:081:43:11

And one of them is more severe,

one of them less severe.

1:43:111:43:13

T33, what I am, I cannot get out

of my chair, cannot walk at all.

1:43:131:43:17

T34, they are able to walk or have

some range of walking ability

1:43:171:43:24

so there's a little bit of a fine

line of which I can understand

1:43:241:43:30

is why people get classified wrong

because it is a little bit of a fine

1:43:301:43:34

line with that, but I agree

with Richard that it is down

1:43:341:43:37

to who trains the hardest

and there are some cases of,

1:43:371:43:40

you know, some people,

you might say, again,

1:43:401:43:47

I'm not trying to complain,

I think the values that

1:43:471:43:50

the Paralympics are and they...

1:43:501:43:56

My argument is if you are

going to beat me I don't

1:43:561:43:59

mind you beating me,

but I'd like to be

1:43:591:44:01

on a level playing field.

1:44:011:44:02

Richard, I want to put you a couple

of things that a BBC File on Four

1:44:021:44:06

investigation uncovered

and that was for example

1:44:061:44:09

claims of tactics such

as the taping of arms,

1:44:091:44:14

taking cold showers to enhance

muscle strength and in one case,

1:44:141:44:20

surgery to shorten the limb in order

to cheat the system.

1:44:201:44:26

Obviously that's...

1:44:261:44:28

I've not seen,

especially the last one.

1:44:281:44:32

These are like I say allegations

that have been brought,

1:44:321:44:38

I've not seen that, what I see

is people with impairments

1:44:381:44:41

and disabilities competing,

like you say, on a level playing

1:44:411:44:48

field and trying to empower

and inspire a generation

1:44:481:44:50

around disability sport.

1:44:501:44:57

But for me, the Paralympics,

especially since 2012 has moved

1:44:571:45:00

forwards in 99% of the areas that it

wanted to understand,

1:45:001:45:04

areas that need to improve.

1:45:041:45:09

Classification is something that

does evolve all the time

1:45:091:45:12

but like I say, the governance

of the sport, the IPC is in charge,

1:45:121:45:15

in control of that environment

and in charge of the classification.

1:45:151:45:22

And they have to be held to account

for any of those athletes that

1:45:221:45:25

are in wrong classes or maybe

in wrong classes or other athletes

1:45:251:45:29

feel aren't and that's not

for an individual athlete or parents

1:45:291:45:32

to throw accusations

around regarding that.

1:45:321:45:41

I think obviously this

has been highlighted

1:45:411:45:43

by a parent and an athlete

that actually retired.

1:45:431:45:50

For me, there may be

some issues around that

1:45:501:45:54

and it's not in the interest

of the sport moving forward.

1:45:541:45:59

To take those allegations seriously.

1:45:591:46:07

I think the IPC are an organisation

that everybody has maybe mall issues

1:46:071:46:14

with because that's the governance

of the sport.

1:46:141:46:18

I personally feel that it's

going in the right way

1:46:181:46:28

but we still obviously,

there are areas need to improve.

1:46:281:46:31

There are going to be

new classifications, it is evolving,

1:46:311:46:33

is that fine with you or do

you worry about that?

1:46:331:46:36

No, I put a statement on my Twitter

handle regarding my feelings

1:46:361:46:40

on the new classification,

classes for the forthcoming season,

1:46:401:46:45

2018 all the way up to Tokyo

and the classification system

1:46:451:46:54

is getting to a stage

where they're trying to put

1:46:541:46:59

like-for-like athletes on the track

so for myself, who is a double leg

1:46:591:47:06

amputee and I was in the T42 class,

they are wanting me to race T42

1:47:061:47:10

athletes with exactly the same

impairment and through my class

1:47:101:47:12

I race against single leg,

above the knee amputees,

1:47:121:47:16

I am a double leg above the knee

amputee and I also race athletes

1:47:161:47:19

with all four limbs and it's

about functional ability too.

1:47:191:47:24

For me, it's about being the best

athlete and having lots of athletes

1:47:241:47:30

to race against and the first person

across the line being the athlete

1:47:301:47:36

that's trained the hardest and

worked the hardest for that medal.

1:47:361:47:39

But it's not all about those

gold medals as well.

1:47:391:47:41

So I have big issues around

the new classification system,

1:47:411:47:44

around that we will have less

athletes, less interest

1:47:441:47:54

in the sport and it needs to be

looked at but again,

1:47:541:47:56

that's for the IPC,

the likes of myself,

1:47:561:47:59

a high-level world professional

athlete to take it up with the IPC

1:47:591:48:02

and challenge those decisions.

1:48:021:48:05

Richard and James.

1:48:051:48:08

Women fleeing domestic abuse have

told this programme they're

1:48:081:48:11

being left homeless,

because councils are failing

1:48:111:48:12

to provide them with suitable

temporary accommodation.

1:48:121:48:14

It means in some cases women

are having to move time and time

1:48:141:48:17

again when councils can't

find appropriate homes.

1:48:171:48:19

Lucy Martindale escaped domestic

violence four years ago.

1:48:191:48:22

She moved seven times

before finding a home.

1:48:221:48:26

She has been to meet other women

in her situation for this programme.

1:48:261:48:29

We bought you her

full report earlier,

1:48:291:48:30

here's a short extract.

1:48:301:48:34

I reported domestic violence

as I was in fear for my life.

1:48:341:48:39

I lived in a two bedroomed flat

with a secure tenancy.

1:48:391:48:42

The council moved me out of Lambeth

to be away from my abuser.

1:48:421:48:46

So now I'm here - my seventh home

in less than four years.

1:48:461:48:55

My experience has been traumatic

so it made me want to find out

1:48:551:48:58

what's happened to other women

in my position.

1:48:581:49:00

How are you?

1:49:001:49:01

Fine, thank you.

Come in.

1:49:011:49:04

Kay fled a violent relationship

at the end of last year.

1:49:041:49:06

He woke up this morning.

1:49:061:49:08

It was the first time in their bed

and he just said, "Mum,

1:49:081:49:11

it was just so comfortable".

1:49:111:49:12

When I went to meet her,

she had just moved in to temporary

1:49:121:49:15

accommodation with her two children.

1:49:151:49:18

So, how did you arrange your housing

on a day-to-day basis?

1:49:181:49:28

It was very difficult indeed

emotionally because you're basically

1:49:281:49:31

begging and every day not knowing

where you're going to be sleeping.

1:49:311:49:34

At the same time, trying to put

on a happy face and to be

1:49:341:49:38

supportive for the children,

telling them that it's going to be

1:49:381:49:40

all right when deep inside,

you really don't think it's

1:49:401:49:42

going to be.

1:49:421:49:45

You don't know what you're

going to be doing, where you're

1:49:451:49:48

going to be staying.

1:49:481:49:51

Sheryl fled her home in Croydon

in January this year

1:49:531:49:57

and was immediately placed

in a refuge.

1:49:571:50:03

She has been evicted

today because after eight

1:50:031:50:05

months her time is up.

1:50:051:50:08

How did it make you feel having

to be evicted from the refuge?

1:50:081:50:11

Worried because I didn't know

where I was going that night.

1:50:111:50:19

I mean they give you four weeks

notice and you expect to leave

1:50:191:50:22

at the end of four weeks knowing

where you're going.

1:50:221:50:24

I think there should be more places

for women with domestic violence

1:50:241:50:27

to go to because the amount

of numbers they give

1:50:271:50:30

you and all the phone calls

you make, let's be honest,

1:50:301:50:36

half of them don't even do

anything for you.

1:50:361:50:40

They are already people

who are feeling traumatised.

1:50:401:50:46

To move then from home to home,

to move from school to school,

1:50:461:50:50

to move from temporary accommodation

to temporary accommodation

1:50:501:50:51

with insecurity around your income

just adds to the lengthening amount

1:50:511:50:54

of amount of trauma that

somebody experiences.

1:50:541:50:57

I wanted to know if councils

have a duty to house

1:50:571:51:00

all women who have left

a violent relationship?

1:51:001:51:04

So, I went to speak to Jane

Pritchard who is a housing lawyer.

1:51:041:51:08

It's a really common situation

that we come across.

1:51:081:51:15

Clients coming to see us seeking

advice because they've gone to one

1:51:151:51:18

council and been told it's

not their responsibility and to go

1:51:181:51:23

and to go to another council.

1:51:231:51:25

It's really, really

important to understand

1:51:251:51:28

that this type of behaviour

that we call gate-keeping as house

1:51:281:51:31

lawyers is unlawful.

1:51:311:51:32

Your connection with that

borough has nothing to do

1:51:321:51:36

with their immediate duty to one,

accept a homeless person's

1:51:361:51:39

application from you and two,

to provide you with emergency

1:51:391:51:42

temporary accommodation.

1:51:421:51:44

We can speak now to Lucy Martindale.

1:51:461:51:49

She made the film for us

as a survivor of domestic

1:51:491:51:52

domestic violence herself.

1:51:521:51:53

Sandra Johnson, who had

a difficult time trying

1:51:531:51:58

to find a house in London

when she fled her ex-partner.

1:51:581:52:00

Jessica McGawley is from

the Cassandra Learning Centre,

1:52:001:52:03

a charity which helps

women find accommodation.

1:52:031:52:09

Sandra what happened to you?

I

attended a London borough after

1:52:091:52:15

fleeing domestic violence after ten

years and I was told I needed a

1:52:151:52:18

local connection to the borough

despite obviously clearly showing

1:52:181:52:22

distress about how I was feeling. I

was placed in a bed and breakfast

1:52:221:52:27

more about five months and I

understand that due to having a

1:52:271:52:32

local connection you need to have

been in London for six months so as

1:52:321:52:35

a result of that, I was moved out to

another London borough and because

1:52:351:52:40

of that, and that temporary

accommodation was cancelled by a

1:52:401:52:44

post-it note. So then I attended

that London borough because that was

1:52:441:52:50

the borough I worked in.

Unfortunately that borough again

1:52:501:52:53

failed to accept me because they

were under the understanding that I

1:52:531:52:57

initially went to the first borough

so therefore, that borough should

1:52:571:53:02

re-house me under domestic violence.

So, it was a long, long ongoing

1:53:021:53:09

legal battle and eventually I won

and I was placed in temporary

1:53:091:53:13

accommodation, but then my temporary

accommodation was for a year and six

1:53:131:53:19

months until I was placed into

permanent accommodation in the

1:53:191:53:22

borough.

You have had a similar

experience. You were moved seven

1:53:221:53:25

times as you explained in the film.

You know there is a housing

1:53:251:53:29

shortage. Clearly. When you're

fleeing a violent partner, you are a

1:53:291:53:35

vulnerable person and you may have

children as well. So in terms of

1:53:351:53:38

criteria, you would come high up the

list, but there is a housing

1:53:381:53:41

shortage. So temporary accommodation

might be the only thing a council

1:53:411:53:44

has.

I understand that. But then

they have to take into account the

1:53:441:53:50

people with children, they have to

attend school and the impact it has

1:53:501:53:55

psychologically on a child to be

moved around so many times. Like my

1:53:551:54:00

children had to attend three

different schools so I just think

1:54:001:54:02

that...

And that has an impact on

them clearly...

Big time. They need

1:54:021:54:07

to be more aware of, it's not just

the housing, it leads to other

1:54:071:54:11

problems such as not being able to

go back to work. Your children's

1:54:111:54:15

school.

Again, you know, I have

sympathy for your cases, but let me

1:54:151:54:21

put say this - if there is no where

for you to go in the borough, is it

1:54:211:54:27

not better to be in a different

borough with a roof over your head?

1:54:271:54:31

I don't see why you should have to

leave where you have grown-up, you

1:54:311:54:36

have support, family, friends, it's

almost like you are the person that

1:54:361:54:39

has committed the crime and not the

victim. In my case, I believe the

1:54:391:54:43

person should have been arrested and

sent to prison and I could have

1:54:431:54:47

remained safely in my home. But I

couldn't.

Yes. Jessica, let me bring

1:54:471:54:53

you in as a psychologist as well as

working for the charity, what about

1:54:531:54:56

the effect of constantly moving.

People who are already vulnerable

1:54:561:55:00

and potentially traumatised because

of what they have experienced this

1:55:001:55:03

their family home?

Well, you have

safety and psychological needs are

1:55:031:55:12

the basis of these. These are not

luxuries, security of environment,

1:55:121:55:16

of mind and body, knowing you have

somewhere to rest your head and

1:55:161:55:19

sleep at night. If you have been a

victim of domestic violence and your

1:55:191:55:23

child has too, leaving that unstable

environment to go to another one in

1:55:231:55:28

temporary housing is to some degree

just as bad. Now, you are most

1:55:281:55:32

likely left that environment so you

can rebuild your life. You can't

1:55:321:55:35

rebuild your life if you're

constantly on the move. You don't

1:55:351:55:37

know where you're going to be

resting. And the effects of this

1:55:371:55:42

psychologically on children are

anxiety, depression, PDSD, anger,

1:55:421:55:49

but high levels of adrenalin.

Constantly in a state of flight. So

1:55:491:55:52

you're and that's not con deuce cif

to develop your education.

Sorry,

1:55:521:55:57

Lucy. Go on.

Some of these children

already have issues such as autism,

1:55:571:56:04

or ADHD and it makes, my older son

does have ADHD which then had a much

1:56:041:56:10

worse impact on him and I've begged

for him help. I have had to make

1:56:101:56:18

sure my children are OK, but there

is many women that don't have the

1:56:181:56:22

strength that I do and their

children end up being taken into

1:56:221:56:25

care due to being a victim. So the

Government definitely need to do

1:56:251:56:30

something to help women in our

situation.

This is what the

1:56:301:56:33

Government says. They say they have

secured £40 million worth of

1:56:331:56:43

dedicated funding for domestic abuse

services over four years up to 2020

1:56:431:56:47

which they say will create 2200 bed

spaces and give support to 19,000

1:56:471:56:54

victims. Is that evidence that they

are tackling the problem?

Hopefully

1:56:541:56:59

they are. That's something we need

to work on is how can we access

1:56:591:57:07

that.

Do you think that's enough?

I

mean it's a start, but many times we

1:57:071:57:11

have heard things are going to be

done and it's hard to see the help

1:57:111:57:15

that they are saying is offered

because not just in my case, but

1:57:151:57:19

many other women. I wasn't aware of

how widespread this issue was until

1:57:191:57:26

I made the programme and since then

a lot of women have come forward

1:57:261:57:29

with their story. So it is a big

problem that needs to be

1:57:291:57:34

acknowledged.

You are in dispute

with your council because they have

1:57:341:57:36

housed you ten miles from your

children's school.

As a result of

1:57:361:57:41

that, I'm now in a legal dispute

with that council due to that

1:57:411:57:46

reason, but I'm going to keep on

fighting.

And your situation,

1:57:461:57:50

Sandra?

I am placed in permanent

accommodation, but also trying to

1:57:501:57:55

give back to the community and

raising awareness around domestic

1:57:551:57:59

violence and also the impact of

domestic violence on mental health.

1:57:591:58:03

OK, are you all right?

I'm fine.

That's really, really good to hear.

1:58:031:58:09

Thank you very much, Sandra. Sand

drarks Lucy, and Jessica, thank you

1:58:091:58:14

very much.

1:58:141:58:17

On this programme tomorrow,

we'll be joined by an audience

1:58:181:58:20

of women, and some men,

who have been sexually harassed

1:58:201:58:23

in all walks of life,

in the NHS, in schools,

1:58:231:58:25

in banks, as well as

politicians and actors.

1:58:251:58:29

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