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Hello, it's Tuesday, it's nine
o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
Welcome to the programme.
Our top story today... | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
The government's going to cut
the maximum stake on fixed-odds | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
betting terminals, known
as the crack cocaine | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
of gambling, from £100
per spin to somewhere | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
between 50 and £2. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:29 | |
I just went to the counter and I
said 500. I lost that in the space | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
of a a few minutes. A thousand, lost
that. And another thousand. I had no | 0:00:34 | 0:00:40 | |
more money in my bank account. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
We'll get reaction from some
of those who've lost thousands | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
and thousand of pounds to these
machines - and from those | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
in the betting industry. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:47 | |
Also this morning, women
fleeing domestic abuse have | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
told this programme they're
being left homeless because councils | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
are failing to provide them with
suitable temporary accommodation. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
Basically begging and every day not
knowing where you are going to be | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
sleeping. At the same time trying to
put on a happy face to be supportive | 0:01:00 | 0:01:07 | |
for the children. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:08 | |
That full exclusive report in around
half an hour's time. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:15 | |
And Defence Secretary Sir Michael
Fallon has confirmed he was once | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
told off by a journalist for putting
his hand on her knee during dinner. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
We bring you reaction. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
Hello.
Welcome to the programme. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
We're live until 11. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:33 | |
Latest breaking news and developing
stories as always this morning. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Plus, a little later we'll look
at claims that some of Britain's | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
most successful Paralympic athletes
won their gold medals unfairly. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:46 | |
UK Athletics stand accused
of manipulating the classification | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
system in order to win medals. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
Do get in touch on all the stories
we're talking about this morning - | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
use the hashtag Victoria live
and If you text, you will be charged | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
at the standard network rate. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
Our top story today... | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
The government has proposed reducing
the amount of money that can be | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
staked on fixed-odds betting
terminals, to protect players | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
from racking up huge losses. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
Betting companies earn about £1.8
billion a year from the machines, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
which critics have described
as the "crack cocaine" of gambling. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:17 | |
Newsbeat's Jim Connolly is with me. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:23 | |
So what kind of proposals are out
there? Is a general gambling review, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:29 | |
looking at online gambling,
advertising. Today's focus is on | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
fixed odd machines, because they
have become such a toxic issue four | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
of the government and society in
general. People are very -- during | 0:02:38 | 0:02:45 | |
the stories about putting hundreds
of pounds and machines. At the | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
minute if you have a special
cardigan going to your bookmakers, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
loaded up and spin a roulette wheel.
The proposals today are to bring | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
those limits down to be -- to summer
between £2 and £50. If you can only | 0:02:58 | 0:03:07 | |
put £2 into the machine, the chances
of winning our lower, the chances of | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
getting addicted to add are lower.
The gambling industry are not happy. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:16 | |
They say if you hit that £2 limit.
You will wipe out half of British | 0:03:16 | 0:03:23 | |
gambling shops. Bookmakers will
close. 20,000 to 30,000 jobs are at | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
stake. It's not football bringing in
the money any more. It is these | 0:03:27 | 0:03:36 | |
machines. There are limited to four
per shot. If you go down a high | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
street you will often see two the
same bookmaker. It is profitable to | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
have four of these machines in one
shop and another one 100 yards down | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
the road. Thank you. It is a 12 week
consultation period. We bring you | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
more reaction to these proposals in
the next hour. Now an ETA with the | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
rest of the news. Good morning. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
The White House has insisted
that criminal charges | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
brought against former
aides to President Trump, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
show no evidence of collusion
between his election | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
campaign and Russia. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
George Papadopoulos has
admitted lying to the FBI | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
about his contacts with Moscow,
and two other senior aides have been | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
placed under house arrest as
the FBI's investigation intensifies. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:23 | |
Laura Bicker reports. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's former
campaign manager, leaves court under | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
house arrest facing 12 grave
charges including money | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
laundering and conspiracy. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
He's pleading not guilty
and the charges don't relate | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
to his work with the Trump campaign. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
But as he sped away
from the spotlight, there came | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
an unexpected bombshell. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
George Papadopoulos,
an unpaid foreign policy adviser | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
for the Trump campaign secretly
pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
about his Russian contacts. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
His charge sheet says that
while he was an aide he met | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
a Russian professor in London
who said he had dirt | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
on Hillary Clinton. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
Despite having earlier told
the FBI he wasn't a member | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
of the Trump campaign
when the meeting took place. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
The professor claimed he had
thousands of Clinton campaign emails | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
and he worked to arrange a meeting
between Vladimir Putin | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
and Donald Trump, something
that did not happen. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:21 | |
Papadopoulos's guilty plea discloses
facts of communication | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
between Donald Trump campaign
and the Russians we didn't know | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
about and that could be
a bigger problem for Trump. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
More details have emerged
about alleged Russian attempts | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
to influence voters on social media. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
Facebook believes that 126 million
American users may have come | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
into contact with Russian backed
propaganda during the election. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:43 | |
This investigation is not going
away, as the White House had hoped, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
and could overshadow the Trump
presidency for some time to come. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:52 | |
The Bank of England is warning that
75,000 jobs could be | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
lost from Britain's financial
services sector, if the UK leaves | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
the European Union
without a trade deal. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Senior figures at the Bank
of England are said to be | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
using the number as a "reasonable
scenario" in their planning | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
for the future, but are thought
to be optimistic that negotiations | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
will be successful. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
Our economics editor,
Kamal Ahmed, reports. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
It will be one of the toughest
challenges facing the Brexit | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
negotiators, tackling
the multitrillion-pound financial | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
services industry which links the UK
with the rest of the European Union. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
Banks and financial companies based
in Britain pay £67 billion in taxes | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
each year, and contribute a trade
surplus of £58 billion, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
helping the UK's economy. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
Many EU countries would like a slice
of the sector and see | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
Brexit as an opportunity. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
Frankfurt and Paris, for example,
are marketing themselves | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
as new places to locate. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
The Bank of England is now preparing
for tens of thousands of job losses | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
which it believes will hit the UK
if there is no new free-trade deal. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
Some will simply disappear
as the financial sector shrinks | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
across Britain and some will be lost
to London's competitor cities. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
Although the bank believes 75,000
job losses is a reasonable | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
scenario over 3-5 years,
many are optimistic that a good deal | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
will be signed on financial services
because both the UK and the EU | 0:07:17 | 0:07:23 | |
will not want to disrupt such
a vital component of the economy. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
And even with the job losses,
Britain, with over 1 million | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
financial services jobs,
will still be by far the most | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
important centre for
banking in Europe. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
The Defence Secretary,
Sir Michael Fallon, has | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
confirmed he was once
rebuked by a political journalist | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
for putting his hand
on her knee during dinner. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
The radio presenter,
Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
not been "remotely upset
or distressed" by the incident, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
which happened 15 years ago. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
Ms Hartley-Brewer said
that it was absurd to treat | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
misjudged sexual overtures
or flirting as being morally | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
equivalent to serious sexual
harassment or assault. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
NetFlix, has insisted its decision
to cancel the political drama, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
House of Cards, was made before
the star of the series was accused | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
of making a sexual advance
towards a teenage boy. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
Kevin Spacey has apologised for any
"inappropriate drunken behaviour", | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
but he's faced criticism
for using the same statement | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
to come out as gay. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
The deposed leader of Catalonia,
Carles Puigdemont, has arrived | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
in Belgium and hired a lawyer
specialising in immigration, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
raising speculation
he may seek asylum. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
Earlier, the Spanish Attorney
General said he was seeking charges, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
including rebellion,
sedition and the misappropriation of | 0:08:35 | 0:08:41 | |
public funds, against Mr Puigdemont
and other separatist leaders over | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
last week's unilateral
declaration of independence. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Sarah Corker reports. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
In Barcelona, people are asking
just what happens next. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
The Spanish government is now
in charge of running this, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
the Catalan region. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Carles Puigdemont, the deposed
Catalan leader faces charges | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
of rebellion and he has
decided to escape. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
TRANSLATION: He is in Belgium. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
I think, to step away a bit
and let things calm down. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
He did not give me
much more explanation. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
I am not his political assistant
but his justice assistant. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
And speculation is growing that
Carles Puigdemont is preparing | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
to seek asylum in Belgium. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
He is now potentially a fugitive
from Spanish justice. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:31 | |
In Catalonia, he won the hearts
of these supporters by declaring | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
independence on Friday. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
But he has left others,
like these pro-unity | 0:09:39 | 0:09:40 | |
campaigners, furious. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
What happened here, it is like
Carles Puigdemont is a dictator. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
I lost a lot of friends. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
We talk a lot about politics and
this is impossible to talk about. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
And the stand-off is escalating. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
Yesterday the prosecutor in Madrid
announced serious charges | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
against Catalan leaders,
carrying a maximum sentence | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
of 30 years in prison. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
TRANSLATION: In order to uphold
honour, this office has five | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
charges of rebellion,
sedition and misuse of funds | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
against the main Catalan leaders. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
And the reaction to that
from the defacto Catalan deputy | 0:10:17 | 0:10:24 | |
president who said he had nothing
new to say. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
Amid reports of the other former
Cabinet members are also in Belgium | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
with Carles Puigdemont,
the potential repercussions of this | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
crisis now stretch across Europe. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
Women fleeing domestic abuse have
told this programme they're | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
being left homeless because councils
are failing to provide them with | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
suitable temporary accommodation. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
It means in some cases women
are having to move time and time | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
again when councils can't
find appropriate homes. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
Prince William attended the Pride
of Britain Awards last night, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
in which first responders
to the terrorist attacks in London | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
and Manchester were among
the people honoured. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
Just a warning, the following
pictures do contain flashing images. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
The awards, at London's Grosvenor
Hotel, were also attended | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
by the Prime Minister. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
Residents and community helpers
were given a special recognition | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
award for their work
following the Grenfell Tower fire. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
Prince William praised
the "inspiring" efforts of those | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
who reacted to the tragedy. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:34 | |
That's a summary of the
latest BBC News - more at 9.30am. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:39 | |
We are going to talk more about the
proposals for a fixed odds betting | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
terminals. If you have spent money
on them, tell's your own experience. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:51 | |
Let's get some sport
with Olly Foster. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
Sir Mo Farah is coming home and
ending his relationship with | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
controversial American coach Alberto
Salazar. He is indeed. It was an | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
inspired move in 2011. Mo Farah, not
winning very much at all, halting up | 0:12:04 | 0:12:11 | |
with Alberto Salazar, a former
marathon runner. That | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
state-of-the-art facility in the
United States. In his time there, it | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
was a glut of gold medals for Mo
Farah, becoming the greatest | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
distance runner on the track. Four
Olympic titles, six world titles as | 0:12:24 | 0:12:33 | |
well, as recently as this summer
when he won macro 10,000 metres gold | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
at the world Championships in
London. He retired from the track | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
after that race in London. He
decided to aim towards road running. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:47 | |
Half marathons, marathon running.
The last couple of years there has | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
been a growing unease about that
relationship with Salazar, because | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
he has been subject to the US
anti-doping investigation. One of | 0:12:54 | 0:13:00 | |
their report was leaked in which the
coach was accused of unlawful | 0:13:00 | 0:13:06 | |
conduct, with absolutely no
justification for possessing | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
testosterone, something he defended
himself against, saying it was just | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
for personal use because of a
medical condition that he has. He | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
has always denied any wrongdoing, as
that investigation, which is also | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
included an FBI investigation as
well, he says he has never done | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
anything wrong and none of his
athletes have ever failed drug | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
tests. We have seen Mo Farah get
very angry when questioned about his | 0:13:30 | 0:13:37 | |
relationship with Salazar and this
ongoing investigation. He says, I | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
have never failed a drugs test. I
have never done anything wrong. He | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
says the reason he is ending that
relationship now has got nothing to | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
do with that investigation or any of
the allegations against Salazar. He | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
says it is purely for family
reasons. He wants his children to | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
grow up in the UK. He is joining a
new coach on the road. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
He has posted this on social media.
I want to thank each member of the | 0:14:03 | 0:14:09 | |
project and Alberto for what he has
done over the years. Yeah, so I'm | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
coming back. My new coach is Gary
Locke, who coached Paula Radcliffe | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
through her marathon. Very excited
to start a new project, a new start. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
I can't wait to be back home and I
can't wait to see my team, Arsenal, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
the Emirates.
Gary Locke is Paula Radcliffe's | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
husband. He has guided her career.
He has a stable of young athletes. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:38 | |
Sir Mo Farah, a new chapter in his
athletic career. But breaking his | 0:14:38 | 0:14:45 | |
relationship with Alberto Salazar.
There will be many who will be glad | 0:14:45 | 0:14:50 | |
of that.
At Westminster today the culture, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
media and sport select committee are
going to scrutinise Paralympic | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
classification, aren't they? This
could be fascinating. The IPC, the | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
International Paralympic movement,
will be bracing themselves for a a | 0:15:02 | 0:15:09 | |
few high-profile athletes and
allegations against them under | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
Parliamentary privilege. They are
looking at claims of cheating. There | 0:15:11 | 0:15:19 | |
are claims that athletes are
exaggerating their conditions or | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
impairments to be classified within
a group that gives them a better | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
chance of winning. A key man
appearing before the committee will | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
be the lawyer Michael Green. His
daughter Olivia, Paralympic long | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
jump champion. He has campaigned for
years Paralympic issues. He says | 0:15:33 | 0:15:40 | |
there is no question that certain
athletes from certain nations have | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
and continue to manipulate the
classification system. It is easy to | 0:15:44 | 0:15:51 | |
manipulate, he says, not robust, not
fit for purpose. We will be hearing | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
from the key players later this
morning in Westminster. We will be | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
across that. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
Thank you very much, Olly. Thank
you. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
Fixed-odds betting terminals
like these have been dubbed | 0:16:06 | 0:16:13 | |
the crack cocaine of gambling
because they are so addictive. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:19 | |
It is possible to lose a vast amount
of money on them in a very short | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
amount of time. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:24 | |
But now the maximum stake
for fixed-odds betting | 0:16:24 | 0:16:25 | |
terminals could drop
to as little as £2 under | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
a government review. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:29 | |
Currently, people can bet up
to £100 every 20 seconds | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
on the gaming machines,
but proposals could limit that | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
to between £2 and £50. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
The rise of fixed-odds betting
terminals is an issue we've been | 0:16:39 | 0:16:45 | |
covering for years on this programme
and the radio, where we've heard | 0:16:45 | 0:16:51 | |
from addicts who have lost hundreds
of thousands of pounds on them. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Last year an investigation by this
programme found staff in betting | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
shops telling us they're being told
to offer customers perks | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
and incentives to keep them playing
on those controversial high | 0:16:59 | 0:17:09 | |
stakes machines. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:10 | |
I was in that hairdressers over
the road and I don't | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
know what happened. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:14 | |
I came out of the hairdressers
I thought, oh, go on, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
what's the harm, I'll go
in and have a go. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
The addiction is always present. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
I fed in what I had in my wallet,
which I think was about £90. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
Then I came out, took some money
out of the cashpoint. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
At this point, I was totally
devastated and just completely | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
caught up in the gambling. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:30 | |
In a red mist is probably the best
way to describe it, or fog. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:36 | |
And I just went to the counter
and said, you know, £500. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
I lost that in the space
of a few minutes. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
£1,000, I lost that. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
£1,000, lost that,
and another £1,000 - | 0:17:46 | 0:17:47 | |
until I had no more
money in my bank account. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
And how did you feel
after losing that? | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
Devastated. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:53 | |
At this point, the plan
was still for my wife and child | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
to come and live here in this
country with me. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
I'd got a flat set up
and everything ready to go. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
But because of that relapse,
and because my wife realised | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
I was still very much
in the gambling, the | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
addiction was there... | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
Let us know your reaction to the
proposed changes particularly if you | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
have used fixed-odds betting
terminals. You can e-mail and tweet. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
We can speak now to Jason Haddigan. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:28 | |
Adam Bradford's father has had
major gambling problems. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
At one point going to
prison to fuel his habit. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:39 | |
And in the studio,
the Labour MP Carolyn Harris | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
who chairs a cross-party group
on Fixed Odds Betting. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
In a moment we will be joined by | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
John Wright from the
British Amusement Catering | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
Trade Association. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
Jason, how much do you reckon you
have lost through your lifetime on | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
these terminals? I have lost
£300,000 on them. Over what period | 0:18:58 | 0:19:06 | |
of time? OK, so they came out in the
year 2000. I was actually banned | 0:19:06 | 0:19:14 | |
from all bookmakers in the year
2014. So from 2000 to 2014, yeah, I | 0:19:14 | 0:19:25 | |
lost over £300,000. Wow. And where
did you get the money from? How did | 0:19:25 | 0:19:31 | |
you afford it? I was conning the
bookmakers to fuel my gambling | 0:19:31 | 0:19:38 | |
addiction. Yes and that is why in
2014, a Crown Court judge banned me | 0:19:38 | 0:19:46 | |
from every bookmakers in the United
Kingdom for I believe it was five | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
years, yes. Tell me this - how much
do you take responsibility for your | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
actions? How much do you think it is
to do with the nature of these | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
particular betting terminals? Well,
before the fixed-odds terminals came | 0:20:00 | 0:20:07 | |
out, I was gambling since the age of
nine. Very, very bad gambler. I can | 0:20:07 | 0:20:13 | |
relate to Tony Franklin. I feel
sorry for him. I believe he has lost | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
over £2 million, the same as me, but
you had a chance before the machines | 0:20:17 | 0:20:23 | |
come out. I used to have thro,
three, four five grand on horses and | 0:20:23 | 0:20:29 | |
sometimes I would win, 2-1 and 3-1
and I would collect £15,000 or | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
£20,000, but the last time I went
into a bookmakers was in 2013 and I | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
remember going up to the staff and I
wanted £1500 on a horse at 3-1 and | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
she said no, you can only have £60
on it. Right. But we can load the | 0:20:44 | 0:20:50 | |
£1500 into the machines if you want.
So, the bookmakers know that you | 0:20:50 | 0:20:58 | |
have got absolutely no chance at all
of winning any money on these | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
fixed-odds terminals. This is why
they are not accepting bets on | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
horses and dogs anymore. Let me
bring in Adam. Your father went to | 0:21:07 | 0:21:13 | |
jail for stealing to fuel his habit.
Something that the, you only found | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
out about, I think, after it was
reported in the media. His gambling | 0:21:17 | 0:21:24 | |
had a devastating impact on your
life. Tell us what happened? So | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
you're right, he went to prison for
fraud. He had a gambling addiction | 0:21:28 | 0:21:34 | |
more about 30 years that he kept
secret from the family. It started | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
off line and then in recent years
went online and as he bet more and | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
more and more he started borrowing
money from banks, from credit cards, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
payday loans, he even remortgaged
the house in secret without any of | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
us knowing. He ended up stealing
money from his employers to fund the | 0:21:50 | 0:21:55 | |
habit which he ultimately went to
prison for, but still, when he was | 0:21:55 | 0:22:01 | |
on his way to court and going
through the court case we had no | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
idea until he had gone into prison.
He got a two year sentence for fraud | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
and you know that shock and the
misery we were left with just, you | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
know, just devastated the family.
Let me bring in Carolyn and John | 0:22:13 | 0:22:21 | |
White. So the proposals that are
going to be consulted on over the | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
next few months talk about reducing
the £100 stake every 20 seconds to | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
somewhere between £2 and £50, that's
a big difference, isn't it? What do | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
you going to be campaigning for? £2.
If it's not £2 I will feel that the | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
campaign thave been running for the
last two years will have been a | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
waste of time. I'm confident that
the Government will see sense. There | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
is overwhelming evidence that
people's lives have been destroyed | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
by these machines and I'm interested
to hear what Adam was saying. So | 0:22:51 | 0:22:57 | |
many people I have spoken to had to
steal in order to feed their | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
gambling habit. They don't have to
steal, do they? We would not say | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
about that a cocaine addict. We
accept that people have a problem | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
with drugs and we accept that they
commit crime in order to feed that. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
It is the same with these machines,
but nobody is acknowledging the fact | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
that these machines are as dangerous
as any other drug. When you see the | 0:23:16 | 0:23:22 | |
statistics, 31% of the people who
actually use the machines earn less | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
than £10,000. So where do they get
the money to put into the machines | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
from? They are not earning it. It
has got to come from somewhere. John | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
White, just be clear for our
audience what kind of organisation | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
you represent? So we represent the
amusement machine industry, the | 0:23:37 | 0:23:43 | |
seaside amusement arcade and the
people who put machines in pubs and | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
clubs and adult gaming centres on
the high street. Where do you stand | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
on whether it is a £2 or up to £50?
We think it should be reduced | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
substantially and £2 would be... You
would get more business compared to | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
the betting shops? No, not at all,
it is about striking the right | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
balance between what is appropriate
for those people that wish to play | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
on machines and enjoy what they have
to offer and the harnl machines can | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
cause to some people and quite
frankly, £100, £50, £20, the numbers | 0:24:09 | 0:24:16 | |
quoted in the consultation paper
don't cut the mustard, you will not | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
see from the evidence that I have
seen any reduction in the harms that | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
the machines can cause. As a Labour
MP you will be concerned about jobs, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
of course, you know the betting
industry say if you reduce the stake | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
to £2, thousands of people will be
out of work in the gambling | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
industry? Well, I don't accept
that... You don't believe them? No, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
I don't believe them. They are
classed as shops. They are only | 0:24:38 | 0:24:44 | |
allowed four machines per shop. They
will put more betting shops in the | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
proximity. They are sole worker
operations. Truth of it is they make | 0:24:48 | 0:24:54 | |
so much money from the machines that
they open up extra shops in order to | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
take, over 50% of their revenue
comes from these machines. Exactly. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
That's what they are saying. That's
why people will be out of work. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
Well, you have done the maths
yourself, pretty much. If we | 0:25:05 | 0:25:11 | |
actually had better businesses on
the high street and reduced the | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
stake, there would be more income
that people could spend in cafes and | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
restaurants, there would be better
shops in the high street. Gambling | 0:25:19 | 0:25:25 | |
is a legitimate industry. It is not
illegal? The fixed-odds machines are | 0:25:25 | 0:25:31 | |
dangerous. I'm not out to destroy
industry. This is really, really bad | 0:25:31 | 0:25:36 | |
for individuals. Michael says, "I
used to work in betting shops and I | 0:25:36 | 0:25:43 | |
have seen people spend hundreds of
pounds in minutes. ." Lyon says, "I | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
work in a bookies. I'm terrified by
this. So many friends and family | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
could lose their jobs." Do you care?
I have to say that the FOBTs have | 0:25:52 | 0:25:59 | |
caused job losses across the
economy. One figure that I think | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
stands out for me, from our
particular sector is that nearly | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
half of adult gaming centres you
find on the high street have | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
disappeared since the introduction
of these types of machines. It is | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
perfectly right and proper that a
sustainable book making industry | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
should exist on the high street.
Like wise adult gaming centres and | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
like wise family entertainment
centres. I come back to the word | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
again, it is balance. What is the
right stake for machines on the high | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
street to allow people to enjoy them
and provide employment and provide | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
businesses, but without coming to
harm. There was a study out there, I | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
don't want to get into too much
technicalities, the introduction of | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
these machines had destroyed jobs.
Destroyed jobs. So I don't buy the | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
argument that's being put forward,
but for each individual, of course, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
it is a tragedy and one sympathises.
Jason, you want to come back in | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
there? Yes. A good point what
Carolyn just made. They are saying | 0:26:51 | 0:26:58 | |
there will be 16,000 people out of a
job if the stake gets reduced to £2. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:05 | |
I actually believe there is more
than 16,000 people that have lost | 0:27:05 | 0:27:11 | |
their job because they have got
addicted to the fixed-odds | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
terminals. Well, thank you all of
you. Thank you very much for coming | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
on the programme. We will see what
happens in the next few weeks. There | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
will be a lot of lobbying and
campaigning going on. Thank you. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:30 | |
Your reaction welcome. Send me an
e-mail. You can message us on | 0:27:33 | 0:27:40 | |
Facebook, whatsapp. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
Still to come, women fleeing
domestic abuse are being left | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
homeless because councils
are failing to provide them with | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
suitable temporary accommodation. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:48 | |
We'll be hearing first-hand
experiences from | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
survivors of domestic abuse. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
It is the final of the Great British
Bake Off tonight. We will look ahead | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
to it. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
Time for the latest
news, here's Annita. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:08 | |
The Government has published
proposals to limit the amount | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
of money that can be staked
on fixed-odds betting terminals. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
Measures to cut the current £100
maximum bet to somewhere between £50 | 0:28:13 | 0:28:20 | |
and £2 will be considered
during a short consultation period. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
Critics have called the machines
the crack cocaine of gambling. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
The White House has insisted
that criminal charges | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
brought against former
aides to President Trump, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
show no evidence of collusion
between his election | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
campaign and Russia. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:37 | |
George Papadopoulos has
admitted lying to the FBI | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
about his contacts with Moscow. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
He appears to be helping
investigators. Two other Trump aides | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
have been placed under house arrest. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
Facebook says 126 million
Americans may have come into contact | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
with Russian-backed propaganda
before and after last year's | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
presidential election. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
Twitter and Google also say
they were used to share divisive | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
posts traced to Russia. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:04 | |
The social media giants had
initially dismissed complaints | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
about fake news as crazy. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:14 | |
Women fleeing domestic abuse have
told this programme they're | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
being left homeless because councils
are failing to provide them with | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
suitable temporary accommodation. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
Some women have been forced to move
accommodation repeatedly because the | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
councils can't find appropriate
accommodation. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
The Defence Secretary,
Sir Michael Fallon, has | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
confirmed he was once
rebuked by a political journalist | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
for putting his hand
on her knee during dinner. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
The radio presenter,
Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
not been "remotely upset
or distressed" by the incident, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
which happened 15 years ago. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:45 | |
Ms Hartley-Brewer said
that it was absurd to treat | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
misjudged sexual overtures
or flirting as being morally | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
equivalent to serious
sexual harassment. | 0:29:49 | 0:30:02 | |
Sir Mo Farah has left as American
coach and is returning to the UK | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
with his family. Gary Locke is set
to oversee his marathon career. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
Salazar is the subject of a US
anti-doping investigation but denies | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
allegations of wrongdoing. Sean
Dyche mark five years as manager of | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
Burnley with victory over Newcastle
last night. Jeff Hendrick with the | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
only goal. They are seventh in the
Premier League. Manchester United | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
take a 100% record to Benfica
tonight in the Champions League. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
Victory could take them into the
knockout stages. Chelsea and Celtic | 0:30:34 | 0:30:40 | |
also in action. And Ronnie
O'Sullivan has been knocked out of | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
the International open in China by a
17-year-old. Sullivan says the only | 0:30:43 | 0:30:48 | |
men to have played that well against
him at the former world champions, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
John and Stephen Hendry.
A full update after ten. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
Women fleeing domestic abuse have
told this programme they're | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
being left homeless because councils
are failing to provide them with | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
suitable temporary accommodation. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
It means in some cases women
are having to move time and time | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
again when councils can't
find appropriate homes. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
Lucy Martindale escaped domestic
violence four years ago - | 0:31:11 | 0:31:19 | |
she moved seven times
before finding a home. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
She's been to meet other | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
women in her situation
for this programme. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:31 | |
I reported domestic violence as I
was in fear for my life. I lived in | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
a two-bedroom flat with a secured
tenancy here in Lambeth. My children | 0:31:43 | 0:31:53 | |
happily attended the local school
just around the corner. The council | 0:31:53 | 0:32:00 | |
moved me out of Lambeth to be away
from my abuser and I was glad of | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
this. I was placed here in temporary
accommodation, a hostel in Norwood. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:11 | |
It was tiny with six or seven
families, around 22 people, all | 0:32:11 | 0:32:17 | |
crammed inside. I moved the children
to a local school and then the | 0:32:17 | 0:32:23 | |
council told me I had a better
chance of getting permanent | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
accommodation by taking a private
rental. And so I moved to here. A | 0:32:26 | 0:32:33 | |
small flat in Streatham. The flat
had damp. I reported this to the | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
landlord. A few months later, I was
evicted and I had to present to the | 0:32:37 | 0:32:43 | |
council as homeless. I was moved to
this hotel. Nowhere to cook, nowhere | 0:32:43 | 0:32:50 | |
to feed your children, and you all
share one bed. My son had his tenth | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
birthday here. Not one of his best
birthdays. And from the hotel I was | 0:32:55 | 0:33:03 | |
moved here, to a bed and breakfast
in Purley. We shared it with five | 0:33:03 | 0:33:09 | |
families and some single men. We
were now eight miles away from the | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
children's school. I insisted the
council moved me. And six weeks | 0:33:12 | 0:33:24 | |
later, I ended up here, an old
school which is now used as | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
temporary accommodation for homeless
families. I had one tiny bedroom. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
The children's school was three
miles away. In the end I was so fed | 0:33:32 | 0:33:37 | |
up I found accommodation myself.
This meant a move into a private | 0:33:37 | 0:33:43 | |
rental, which is hard for me to
afford. So now I'm here. My seventh | 0:33:43 | 0:33:52 | |
home in less than four years. My
experience has been traumatic. So it | 0:33:52 | 0:33:57 | |
made me want to find out what has
happened to other women in my | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
position.
How are you? Fine, thank you. Caves | 0:34:01 | 0:34:11 | |
led a violent relationship last
year. He woke up this morning and | 0:34:11 | 0:34:18 | |
said, it was so comfortable. After
three months of sofa surfing and | 0:34:18 | 0:34:24 | |
going around different properties,
fitting into other people's lives, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
it's such a relief. When I went to
meet her, she had just moved into | 0:34:27 | 0:34:33 | |
temporary accommodation with her
children. Tell me how you ended up | 0:34:33 | 0:34:39 | |
here in Bromley? I approached
Bromley. After six months, I was in | 0:34:39 | 0:34:47 | |
a refuge, after six months they
agreed to has me as a single person. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
A couple of months later, the
children came to live with me. It | 0:34:51 | 0:34:56 | |
was then that they refused to accept
the children onto the housing. What | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
is your housing situation now? I'm
currently in a temporary property. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:07 | |
We have been staying at four
different properties. Just | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
constantly moving. With family and
friends? Yeah. Did they offered to | 0:35:10 | 0:35:18 | |
put you in a hostel, Hotel? No. They
didn't give me... They didn't give | 0:35:18 | 0:35:25 | |
me even a leaflet. How did you
arrange your housing on a day-to-day | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
basis? It was very difficult indeed
emotionally. Very difficult. Because | 0:35:29 | 0:35:39 | |
you are basically begging and every
day not knowing where you are going | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
to be sleeping. At the same time
trying to put on a happy face, to be | 0:35:42 | 0:35:50 | |
supportive for the children, telling
them it's going to be all right went | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
deep inside you really don't think
it's going to be. You don't know | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
what you are going to be doing,
where you are going to be staying. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
You can maybe -- you couldn't always
maybe Koke dinner, so maybe you are | 0:35:59 | 0:36:05 | |
buying food on the go, eating
sandwiches. You feel you are not | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
providing a stable diet. But the
fact I was escaping domestic | 0:36:09 | 0:36:15 | |
violence, and that they are
dependent children, still they was | 0:36:15 | 0:36:21 | |
flat-out refusing to liaise with me.
Every door was closed. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:30 | |
Kay visited the council numerous
times and made repeated phone calls, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
begging them for help.
I've got nowhere to go. Nowhere! | 0:36:33 | 0:36:44 | |
It says you can stay with your
cousin. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:53 | |
I cannot stay there. I cannot stay
there. OK? But why? But why can't | 0:36:53 | 0:37:00 | |
you help me? Y can't Bromley helped
me? What are we supposed to do | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
tonight? I can't stay there. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:15 | |
It Bromley council spokesperson
said... | 0:37:19 | 0:37:26 | |
Cheryl fled her home in Croydon this
year and was immediately placed in a | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
refuge. She has been -- she is being
evicted today because after eight | 0:38:03 | 0:38:13 | |
months her time is up. But she has
nowhere else to go. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:20 | |
How did it make you feel, having to
be evicted from the refuge? Worried, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:26 | |
because I didn't know where I was
going that night. They give you four | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
weeks notice. You expect to leave at
the end of four weeks knowing where | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
you are going. You know the date you
were leaving? You would've picture | 0:38:34 | 0:38:42 | |
key is up, gone to view properties.
On the Monday, the week that I was | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
leaving, they found somewhere in
Westcliff on Sea, but that was too | 0:38:47 | 0:38:53 | |
far. The day after that, the
Tuesday, I spoke to them again and | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
they asked me if I would go to the
North of England. I said no. I have | 0:38:58 | 0:39:04 | |
commitments down this way. I've got
nobody in the north England. The | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
government strategy says it will
continue to ensure all women are | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
supported. What do you feel about
that? I feel that they have lied | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
because all women are not supported.
I feel that someone from the | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
government should go through what we
have been through and see if they | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
say the same at the end of it,
because I can guarantee they want. I | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
think they should be more places for
women with domestic violence to go | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
to. All the numbers they give you,
half of them don't do anything for | 0:39:35 | 0:39:43 | |
you. It is like a lucky dip. I can
identify with that. You are just a | 0:39:43 | 0:39:50 | |
number at the end of the day,
really. I thought we all have human | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
rights and stuff. You've got no
rights. Your rights are taken out of | 0:39:55 | 0:40:00 | |
your hands.
I wanted to know if councils have a | 0:40:00 | 0:40:07 | |
duty to house all women who have
left a violent relationship. So I | 0:40:07 | 0:40:13 | |
went to speak to Jane Pritchard, a
housing lawyer. So when a person | 0:40:13 | 0:40:19 | |
applies to the local authority in a
situation where they are fleeing | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
domestic abuse, there is a really
low bar that they need to be | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
satisfied of, in order to provide
them with temporary accommodation. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:30 | |
Of the local authority simply need
reason to believe that the person is | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
harmless, which should be obvious.
That they are eligible for | 0:40:33 | 0:40:38 | |
assistance under the Housing act.
And that they are in priority need | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
of accommodation. If those criteria
are satisfied, then there is a duty | 0:40:42 | 0:40:49 | |
to provide suitable accommodation
immediately. All the women which I | 0:40:49 | 0:40:55 | |
have spoken to feel that they have
been bounced from one person to the | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
next. Do you think this is a common
thing? It's a really common | 0:40:59 | 0:41:06 | |
situation that week, Culross.
Clients coming to see us seeking | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
advice because they have gone to one
council and been told it's not their | 0:41:09 | 0:41:14 | |
responsibility, and to go to another
responsibility it's really important | 0:41:14 | 0:41:20 | |
to understand that this type of
behaviour week-old gatekeeping is | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
housing lawyers, is unlawful.
---Week-old gatekeeping. Your | 0:41:25 | 0:41:31 | |
connection with the borrower has
nothing to do with their immediate | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
duty to one, except a homeless
person's application, and two, to | 0:41:35 | 0:41:42 | |
provide you with temporary
accommodation. What impact does this | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
have? Where someone is fleeing
domestic abuse we may only ever have | 0:41:44 | 0:41:51 | |
one chance, one opportunity to
assist in protecting them, to ensure | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
they are housed in suitable safe,
secure accommodation. If that | 0:41:55 | 0:42:00 | |
applicant goes to the council and is
turned away at that time, we know | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
that that person may never go back.
They go back to the perpetrator of | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
the abuse. They never, ever have the
opportunity again of being rehoused. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:21 | |
Lots of the women I spoke to told me
about how councils had refused to | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
help them. Sofia greeted talk about
her experience but she wanted to | 0:42:24 | 0:42:31 | |
keep her identity private.
When I went into this relationship I | 0:42:31 | 0:42:39 | |
was in love with my partner. And
within a month, when I was beaten | 0:42:39 | 0:42:46 | |
up, I was stripped nude and thrown
out of the house. My neighbours | 0:42:46 | 0:42:53 | |
helped to told me and give me first
aid. Sofia left her home with | 0:42:53 | 0:42:59 | |
nothing. I knew I needed resources
like money. So I had some jewellery | 0:42:59 | 0:43:07 | |
on. My wedding ring, my engagement
ring. I had some bangles. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:16 | |
Basically...
Sophia went to the council after | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
arriving in London, hoping they
would help. I had walked in about | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
ten seconds into the council within
ten seconds I was asked to go. They | 0:43:24 | 0:43:31 | |
just dismissed me. They didn't seem
to understand that I was homeless. I | 0:43:31 | 0:43:36 | |
was actually homeless. What happened
next? Since then I repeatedly | 0:43:36 | 0:43:41 | |
visited the Council almost every day
and there were times when I have | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
been in that phone booth crying my
eyes out, I was so upset and I was | 0:43:44 | 0:43:53 | |
so vulnerable. Eventually the
council agreed to house Sofia and | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
offered her a place at a hostel.
When I went to this hostel, it | 0:43:57 | 0:44:02 | |
housed 14 women. I was scared. I was
just scared. You was a victim of | 0:44:02 | 0:44:10 | |
domestic violence. Yes. I do
remember one of those men actually | 0:44:10 | 0:44:18 | |
came to me and said, you know
darling, if you get a knock on your | 0:44:18 | 0:44:24 | |
door at two o'clock in the morning,
don't worry, it only me. I couldn't | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
speak. I literally couldn't speak.
Having made it to where I am today, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:40 | |
I couldn't have done it. I am very
proud of myself. You should be. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:46 | |
I wanted to learn more about the
impact domestic violence has no | 0:44:46 | 0:44:51 | |
woman's light and her housing. So I
travelled to North London to meet | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
Mary Mason.
There are already people who are | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
feeling traumatised. To move then
from home to home, to move often | 0:44:59 | 0:45:04 | |
from school to school, to move from
temporary accommodation to temporary | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
accommodation just adds to the
lengthening amount of trauma that | 0:45:08 | 0:45:14 | |
somebody experiences. The other
thing I think it is important to | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
understand is that a lot of women
would choose not to leave a violent | 0:45:17 | 0:45:22 | |
relationship because they can't get
decent housing. This isn't just a | 0:45:22 | 0:45:32 | |
London problem, is it? No, it is a
national problem and a lot of issues | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
that are happening in London are
repeated elsewhere around the | 0:45:36 | 0:45:40 | |
country. What we really want to do
and the women we're working with | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
really want to do is rebuild their
lives. The reason they left the | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
violence and abuse was to find a
better life for themselves and their | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
children.
I'm glad there are people like Mary | 0:45:50 | 0:45:57 | |
and Jane who are helping women like
me find their way, but I don't | 0:45:57 | 0:46:04 | |
think, we the survivors of domestic
violence should have to rely on | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
lawyers and charities to help us.
Thank you for your messages. Jane on | 0:46:08 | 0:46:18 | |
Facebook says, "The system is wrong
and leaves victims more vulnerable | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
and sweeps this under the carpet. I
lost a daughter to suicide three | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
years ago due to reporting domestic
abuse and she got no help from | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
anyone." This tweet from Jo, "Women
and children are fleeing domestic | 0:46:28 | 0:46:34 | |
violence and they are often left
homeless or housed in B&B-type | 0:46:34 | 0:46:39 | |
accommodation which leaves them
feeling more isolated." ." Kirsty | 0:46:39 | 0:46:44 | |
says, "There should be more support
in place to get the abusers out of | 0:46:44 | 0:46:49 | |
the family home." Another viewer
says, "We can't rely on the | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
Government and councils to help, so
abused women end up staying with the | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
abuser." Kerry, "I am sorry for
every victim this this domestic | 0:46:57 | 0:47:02 | |
abuse housing film. I just wish I
could help them." | 0:47:02 | 0:47:07 | |
Keep viewer views coming in,
particularly if you have your own | 0:47:07 | 0:47:12 | |
personal experience. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
Coming up, some of Britain's most
successful Paralympic athletes | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
are facing suggestions
they won their gold medals unfairly | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
at parliamentary hearing. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
We'll be getting the views of two
Paralympic athletes a little | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
later in the programme. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
It's the final of the Great British
Bake Off tonight with | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
Kate, Stephen and Sophie battling it
out to win the title. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
Despite only getting around half
the viewers on Channel 4 | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
compared to BBC One,
it has been seen as a huge success. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:41 | |
It has been watched by more young
people than any other show on TV | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
so far this year, and is likely
to be Channel 4's most watched | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
programme since 1985. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:48 | |
Here's why. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:54 | |
Is trifle popular in Siberia. I have
never seen trifle. What's trifle in | 0:48:03 | 0:48:08 | |
Russian? I don't know. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:15 | |
Oh my god. What happened? Stacey is
making red velvet chocolate sponge | 0:48:19 | 0:48:27 | |
which she will decorate to make look
like a designer handbag. It will be | 0:48:27 | 0:48:33 | |
quite moist. Looking forward to the
moist clutch. Do you feel you need | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
this one to get yourself higher up
the rankings? I think we do. It's a | 0:48:37 | 0:48:43 | |
we now. Very nice.
LAUGHTER | 0:48:43 | 0:48:51 | |
It's so frustrating. I like the
snail! Is there something about the | 0:48:51 | 0:48:57 | |
shape of the snail?
LAUGHTER | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
Paul, are you going to pull yourself
together? Yeah, in a minute. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:12 | |
What's the shape? Solid. Try and
keep up with the youth. That is | 0:49:12 | 0:49:20 | |
ridiculous. Bakers, you've got 45
minutes left. 45. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:32 | |
Take it out. The second prove. It is
not horrific. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:44 | |
Let's talk now to
Andrew Smyth, a finalist | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
on last year's Bake Off. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
He's still baking and made
an edible jet for Prince | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
William after the series. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
I said, "I recognise you." Off the
TV! I thought we'd met. She thought | 0:49:59 | 0:50:06 | |
she had seen me at a conference! | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
Buzzfeed's Bake Off correspondent,
Scott Bryan is also here. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
He thinks this year hasn't
been a "vintage" series. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
Becky Chester is a Bake off
superfan that's been baking | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
along to the series. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
She has baked us a Halloween special
pumpkin cake in the theme of week | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
eight's "forgotten bakes." | 0:50:24 | 0:50:25 | |
We will show it to you now. There is
the pumpkin cake, thank you. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:30 | |
John Holland is a fan who thinks
the Bake Off brand is potentially | 0:50:30 | 0:50:37 | |
running out of steam. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
He has brought in a brain-themed
cake based on week | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
one's "illusion" theme. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
That's quite a masterpiece. It looks
like the same thing. When have you | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
seen a real brain? Not recently!
LAUGHTER | 0:50:50 | 0:50:55 | |
He was carrying it on the Tube this
morning. Did everyone see it? Yeah. | 0:50:55 | 0:51:01 | |
Someone said, "Don't eat it all at
once." Scott, let's look at the | 0:51:01 | 0:51:06 | |
audience figures first of allment
they are lower than BBC One. As you | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
would expect. Yes. But for the 16 to
34 age group, it is mega, isn't it? | 0:51:09 | 0:51:15 | |
It is the biggest show on TV this
year for young people and also for | 0:51:15 | 0:51:20 | |
Channel 4's prospective, it is great
for them because they get all of the | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
appetising for shows they get to
definitely get in the money that | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
they have spent on this show. I have
sensed that I think particularly | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
online there is less of a buzz this
year. So you mean they are not | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
pumping out the social media as much
or there is less chatter? There is | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
less chatter, I think. Why is that
then? Part of it is because last | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
year when you used to watch it on
BBC iPlayer, you could rewind and | 0:51:43 | 0:51:49 | |
have stuff to share around on
Tumbler and Twitter. This year it is | 0:51:49 | 0:51:55 | |
harder because on All 4 it is not as
good as the BBC's. So I think, I | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
know that sounds a bit specific, but
I think that does have an effect | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
with how young people talk about the
show. But still, I mean, it is | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
definitely a programme that I think
people really just like particularly | 0:52:07 | 0:52:12 | |
because it's authentic also the fact
that they have characters like Liam | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
who is very young, their age range
as well. Liam... Oh Liam. Liam. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:23 | |
The nation seemed to weep.
Absolutely. Everyone loved Liam. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
There was a lot of social media
around Liam going out and there was | 0:52:27 | 0:52:33 | |
huge uproar. What do you think in
terms of how similar it is to the | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
BBC version apart from the adverts?
I thought it would be more Channel 4 | 0:52:37 | 0:52:43 | |
and the advert leading up to Bake
Off gave you that inkling that we | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
were going to do something different
and away went the music and you were | 0:52:47 | 0:52:52 | |
there and it was the same again,
apart from Noel being Noel! | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
LAUGHTER
What do you mean, funny and rude? | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
Yes. Do you like that? I think he's
fantastic. He has done really well. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:04 | |
What do you think looking at the
contestants and presenters and | 0:53:04 | 0:53:09 | |
judges and the new faces? They have
pitched it quite well. Audiences | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
only like a certain amount of change
and with the channel move and the | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
breaks and the new presenting teams
it was a sensible decision to keep | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
the bake e the music and the
challenges and the same format, they | 0:53:19 | 0:53:25 | |
might have lost more of a share if
they moved away from the classic | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
format. The bakers have been
fantastic. What about as characters? | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
For me it is about the baking and
when we auditioned to go in the | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
tent, you are judged on the quality
of your baking. It is nice if there | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
is a personality to go with it.
There was some personalities when | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
Liam left, there was some upset
because he was one of the favourite | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
characters and a lot of people
thought he was going to make it the | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
whole way to the end. But in the
tenth night, we have got three | 0:53:50 | 0:53:57 | |
amazing skilled bakers and I can't
wait to see what they produce. John, | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
why do you think it is running out
of steam? There is only so much that | 0:54:01 | 0:54:07 | |
Love Productions can do. They have
built in a format where they are | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
able to introduce commercial breaks
like on Channel 4. And so, I think | 0:54:11 | 0:54:16 | |
there is only so much they can do in
terms of how the show is structured. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
You are always going to open with
that signature bake. You are going | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
to have technical. You are going to
have a show-stopper. So I don't | 0:54:22 | 0:54:28 | |
think the system is there, it's not
broken. I don't think they should | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
try and fix it. Right. But. I'm
confused. It's running out of steam, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:37 | |
but it's all right. It's running out
of steam because they can't change | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
it. It's kind of... Is that fair or
not? The weird thing I find about it | 0:54:40 | 0:54:46 | |
Channel 4 say it is a very Channel 4
show now and I still think it is a | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
BBC show with ads in like it is
distinctively un-Channel 4y. It is | 0:54:50 | 0:54:55 | |
very similar. It is very similar and
I like the fact that Noel Fielding | 0:54:55 | 0:55:02 | |
is providing some left field humour
and each every week he is trying to | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
see how far he can take it. On the
first episode... Oh, he was | 0:55:06 | 0:55:12 | |
apologetic, he was really sheepish,
I'm really sorry I got this job. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
Last week he was dancing around and
having, and I like the how he works | 0:55:16 | 0:55:21 | |
with Sandy. It is not what I was
expecting. Nobody could see them | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
being a duo. What do you think
Andrew about the challenges that | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
they have been set this time? Could
they have pushed that further? Do | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
you think they were challenging
enough? I think year-on-year they | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
have to ramp up the challenges. If
we look back to the first series of | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
Bake Off now, it does look simpler,
it was things like Victorian sponges | 0:55:39 | 0:55:44 | |
and scones, as you have gone through
the series they have had to increase | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
in complexity and you only had to
look at the illusion cakes. It was | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
final territory a couple of years
ago. I think as people have watched | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
it and gained more confidence at
home as well, people I think around | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
the nation have upskilled their
baking. If you had talked about | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
spray nodsles that they were using
in the first episode a couple of | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
years back, people would have had no
idea, but now there is lots of | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
amateurs who are making incredible
cakes. I think it will be | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
interesting to see how much they can
push that because there is only so | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
far you can go if you get more and
more complicated. What's been the | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
best bake for you, Becky? Well, of
the whole series? Yes. In terms of | 0:56:18 | 0:56:24 | |
baking along I found it hard to bake
along with the technicals because | 0:56:24 | 0:56:28 | |
they have used a lot of specialist
equipment and things like that which | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
I just haven't got so I had to adapt
bits and pieces, but I thought the | 0:56:31 | 0:56:38 | |
meringues were brilliant last week
and you needed that element of | 0:56:38 | 0:56:42 | |
technical ability of understanding
how the meringue works alongside | 0:56:42 | 0:56:47 | |
making it look beautiful which
challenged Stephen which I quite | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
like the fact it challenged Stephen
because I think he's done so well at | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
making things look fabulous so far.
How many sometimes of times has he | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
won star baker? Three or four. What
about worst bake? I can't say how | 0:56:58 | 0:57:08 | |
bad their bakes are because mine
have been horrible in the past. I | 0:57:08 | 0:57:12 | |
think like sometimes that you have
it when they try to be very so | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
ambitious and they realise about ten
minutes before the end... They can't | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
manage it. They can't manage it.
Sometimes when people do that at | 0:57:20 | 0:57:25 | |
home they don't have the time
constraint. When you are doing it in | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
timed scenario, I was at this live
interactive baking experience where | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
you can bake along in real-time and
it is only when you realise that you | 0:57:32 | 0:57:36 | |
are in the at any time and you are
against the clock, it really makes | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
it, you just do daft things. You
just lose control about how simple | 0:57:39 | 0:57:45 | |
things work like a whisk because it
is the pressure. Scott is right. It | 0:57:45 | 0:57:50 | |
is the balance between being just
ambitious, but not stretching | 0:57:50 | 0:57:54 | |
yourself because you can fail
quickly in the tent. Whether it is | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
the oven door coming off or
overflowing things on the hob. Who | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
is going to win? Stephen. Sophie.
Stephen. Sophie. I have the casting | 0:58:01 | 0:58:09 | |
vote -- not! Thank you very much for
bringing in your amazing creations | 0:58:09 | 0:58:13 | |
particularly love the brain cake and
the pumpkin cake. Thank you. We | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
appreciate it. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:21 | |
Carol is here. I have a lovely
little dancing skeleton if you're | 0:58:24 | 0:58:30 | |
going out to celebrate Hallowe'en,
maybe trick or treating, for most of | 0:58:30 | 0:58:33 | |
us, it will be mild. That's where
the weather starts to change. Let's | 0:58:33 | 0:58:36 | |
focus first of all on what's
happening this morning. We've got | 0:58:36 | 0:58:39 | |
some rain across the western
Highlands. That's going to be | 0:58:39 | 0:58:42 | |
persistent through the course of the
day. Rain pushing north-east wards | 0:58:42 | 0:58:45 | |
across the Northern Isles and some
showers coming in across Northern | 0:58:45 | 0:58:48 | |
Ireland, northern England and
through the day we will see one or | 0:58:48 | 0:58:51 | |
two in Wales, the Midlands and East
Anglia, but there is a lot of dry | 0:58:51 | 0:58:54 | |
weather around as well.
So this afternoon across Northern | 0:58:54 | 0:58:58 | |
Ireland, it's a mixture of bright
spells, sunshine and showers. The | 0:58:58 | 0:59:02 | |
more persistent rain hanging around
Western Scotland and Argyll and | 0:59:02 | 0:59:05 | |
Bute. Anything that goes over to the
east of Scotland will be patchy and | 0:59:05 | 0:59:08 | |
to the east of gram preians, we will
have temperatures 14 or 15 as we | 0:59:08 | 0:59:11 | |
will to the east of Pennines in any
sunshine. But quite a bit of cloud | 0:59:11 | 0:59:16 | |
with the showers across north-west
England, some of it getting across | 0:59:16 | 0:59:19 | |
the Pennines. Some showers in the
Midlands and one or two in East | 0:59:19 | 0:59:22 | |
Anglia, but this morning's cloud
will continue to break up and we | 0:59:22 | 0:59:25 | |
will start to see sunny spells
developing. Temperatures this | 0:59:25 | 0:59:31 | |
afternoon in the sunshine in
Plymouth 12 Celsius. For Wales, | 0:59:31 | 0:59:33 | |
bright skies or sunny spells with
just one or two showers as well. If | 0:59:33 | 0:59:37 | |
you are going out trick or treating
this evening, it will be mild. It | 0:59:37 | 0:59:41 | |
will be fairly cloudy. Where the
cloud breaks across southern England | 0:59:41 | 0:59:45 | |
it will be cooler, but we will have
the rain and mild conditions across | 0:59:45 | 0:59:49 | |
Northern Ireland and Scotland and
the rain sinking further south by | 0:59:49 | 0:59:52 | |
the time we get to the end of the
night. So tomorrow's rush hour | 0:59:52 | 0:59:57 | |
across Scotland and Northern Ireland
is likely to be quite wet and as | 0:59:57 | 1:00:00 | |
this front producing the rain sinks
further south, what you will find is | 1:00:00 | 1:00:04 | |
it will tend to turn weaker in
nature and the rain on it patchier | 1:00:04 | 1:00:08 | |
and behind it, we see a return to
bright spells, sunshine and showers. | 1:00:08 | 1:00:12 | |
Still quite windy in the north and
ahead of it, we are looking at the | 1:00:12 | 1:00:16 | |
cloud breaking up and some sunny
spells coming out as well. | 1:00:16 | 1:00:19 | |
Temperatures in the north, 12
Celsius. But in the south, we are | 1:00:19 | 1:00:22 | |
looking at 15 Celsius. If we pick up
the weather front producing the rain | 1:00:22 | 1:00:27 | |
it sinks south during Wednesday and
into Thursday. That's a weak | 1:00:27 | 1:00:29 | |
feature. What we will find across
southern areas is a band of cloud | 1:00:29 | 1:00:33 | |
with spots of rain, the far south of
England, seeing bright spells, but | 1:00:33 | 1:00:37 | |
look at the difference across
Scotland, northern England and | 1:00:37 | 1:00:40 | |
Northern Ireland. Much drier, much
brighter, but also it's going to | 1:00:40 | 1:00:44 | |
feel much cooler. | 1:00:44 | 1:00:46 | |
Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 10
o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 1:00:48 | 1:00:53 | |
A government review could see
the maximum stake for fixed-odds | 1:00:53 | 1:00:55 | |
betting terminals drop
to as little as £2. | 1:00:55 | 1:01:05 | |
The bookmakers know if you have
absolutely no chance at all of | 1:01:09 | 1:01:12 | |
putting money on. This is why they
are not accepting any bets on horses | 1:01:12 | 1:01:20 | |
or dogs and a more. That as a man
who lost more than £300,000 on fixed | 1:01:20 | 1:01:27 | |
odds betting. | 1:01:27 | 1:01:29 | |
We're speaking to some
of those who have lost money | 1:01:29 | 1:01:31 | |
through addiction to the machines,
including a man whose | 1:01:31 | 1:01:34 | |
gambling problem cost him
half a million pounds. | 1:01:34 | 1:01:36 | |
Also this morning, women
fleeing domestic abuse have | 1:01:36 | 1:01:37 | |
told this programme they're
being left homeless because councils | 1:01:37 | 1:01:40 | |
are failing to provide them with
suitable temporary accommodation. | 1:01:40 | 1:01:42 | |
Basically begging and every day not
knowing where you're going to be | 1:01:42 | 1:01:45 | |
sleeping and at the same time trying
to put on a happy face and... | 1:01:45 | 1:01:52 | |
To be supportive for the children. | 1:01:52 | 1:01:56 | |
And as sexual harassment claims
continue to engulf Westminster, | 1:01:56 | 1:01:59 | |
we'll bring you more reaction. | 1:01:59 | 1:02:03 | |
Good morning. | 1:02:09 | 1:02:11 | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom
with a summary of todays news. | 1:02:11 | 1:02:13 | |
Good morning. | 1:02:14 | 1:02:17 | |
The government has proposed reducing
the amount of money that can be | 1:02:17 | 1:02:20 | |
staked on fixed-odds betting
terminals, to protect players | 1:02:20 | 1:02:22 | |
from racking up huge losses. | 1:02:22 | 1:02:25 | |
Betting companies earn about £1.8
billion a year from the machines, | 1:02:25 | 1:02:27 | |
which critics have described
as the "crack cocaine" of gambling. | 1:02:27 | 1:02:33 | |
The White House has
dismissed the arrest of some | 1:02:33 | 1:02:37 | |
of President Trump's former
advisers as inconsequential. | 1:02:37 | 1:02:40 | |
George Papadopoulos has
admitted lying to the FBI | 1:02:40 | 1:02:44 | |
about his contacts with Russia,
and now appears to have been helping | 1:02:44 | 1:02:47 | |
the investigation into alleged
links between the Trump | 1:02:47 | 1:02:49 | |
campaign and Moscow. | 1:02:49 | 1:02:51 | |
Two other Trump aides have been
placed under house arrest. | 1:02:51 | 1:02:57 | |
Facebook says 126 million
Americans may have come into contact | 1:02:57 | 1:03:02 | |
with Russian-backed propaganda
before and after last year's | 1:03:02 | 1:03:05 | |
presidential election. | 1:03:05 | 1:03:07 | |
Twitter and Google also say
they were used to share divisive | 1:03:07 | 1:03:09 | |
posts traced to Russia. | 1:03:09 | 1:03:12 | |
The social media giants had
initially dismissed complaints | 1:03:12 | 1:03:14 | |
about fake news as crazy. | 1:03:14 | 1:03:19 | |
The Bank of England says failure
to secure a trade deal with the EU | 1:03:19 | 1:03:22 | |
before Brexit could see the loss
of 75,000 jobs from the UK's | 1:03:22 | 1:03:25 | |
financial services sector. | 1:03:25 | 1:03:29 | |
It's told financial firms to be
prepared for "no deal", | 1:03:29 | 1:03:32 | |
but senior figures at the Bank
are said to be optimistic that | 1:03:32 | 1:03:34 | |
negotiations will be successful. | 1:03:34 | 1:03:38 | |
Women fleeing domestic abuse have
told this programme they're | 1:03:38 | 1:03:41 | |
being left homeless because councils
are failing to provide them with | 1:03:41 | 1:03:44 | |
suitable temporary accommodation. | 1:03:44 | 1:03:48 | |
It means in some cases women
are having to move time and time | 1:03:48 | 1:03:51 | |
again when councils can't
find appropriate homes. | 1:03:51 | 1:03:55 | |
The Defence Secretary,
Sir Michael Fallon, has | 1:03:55 | 1:03:58 | |
confirmed he was once
rebuked by a political journalist | 1:03:58 | 1:04:00 | |
for putting his hand
on her knee during dinner. | 1:04:00 | 1:04:03 | |
The radio presenter,
Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had | 1:04:03 | 1:04:05 | |
not been "remotely upset
or distressed" by the incident, | 1:04:05 | 1:04:09 | |
which happened 15 years ago. | 1:04:09 | 1:04:11 | |
Ms Hartley-Brewer said
that it was absurd to treat | 1:04:11 | 1:04:14 | |
misjudged sexual overtures
or flirting as being morally | 1:04:14 | 1:04:15 | |
equivalent to serious sexual
harassment or assault. | 1:04:15 | 1:04:17 | |
NetFlix has insisted its decision
to cancel the political drama, | 1:04:17 | 1:04:20 | |
House of Cards, was made before
the star of the series was accused | 1:04:20 | 1:04:23 | |
of making a sexual advance
towards a teenage boy. | 1:04:23 | 1:04:29 | |
Kevin Spacey has apologised for any
"inappropriate drunken behaviour", | 1:04:29 | 1:04:33 | |
but he's faced criticism
for using the same statement | 1:04:33 | 1:04:35 | |
to come out as gay. | 1:04:35 | 1:04:40 | |
Prince William attended the Pride
of Britain Awards last night, | 1:04:40 | 1:04:42 | |
in which first responders
to the terrorist attacks in London | 1:04:42 | 1:04:44 | |
and Manchester were among
the people honoured. | 1:04:44 | 1:04:48 | |
Just a warning, the following
pictures do contain flashing images. | 1:04:48 | 1:04:50 | |
The awards, at London's Grosvenor
Hotel, were also attended | 1:04:50 | 1:04:53 | |
by the Prime Minister. | 1:04:53 | 1:04:56 | |
Residents and community helpers
were given a special recognition | 1:04:56 | 1:04:58 | |
award for their work
following the Grenfell Tower fire. | 1:04:58 | 1:05:02 | |
Prince William praised
the "inspiring" efforts of those | 1:05:02 | 1:05:05 | |
who reacted to the tragedy. | 1:05:05 | 1:05:08 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 1:05:08 | 1:05:10 | |
More at 10:30. | 1:05:10 | 1:05:16 | |
Jonathan has e-mailed. He is talking
about the fixed-odds betting | 1:05:16 | 1:05:20 | |
terminals. He says he has lost so
much it would be impossible to | 1:05:20 | 1:05:23 | |
accurately calculate. The misery is
incalculable. Gambling should not be | 1:05:23 | 1:05:30 | |
made -- made illegal but strategies
need to be put in place to help | 1:05:30 | 1:05:33 | |
people like him. Individuals who are
not weak but have an illness. A good | 1:05:33 | 1:05:37 | |
start would be to limit the maximum
bet on high Street betting shops and | 1:05:37 | 1:05:43 | |
ban all gambling adverts. Alison
owns a small independent betting | 1:05:43 | 1:05:47 | |
office in Yorkshire, and continues
to watch the programme on the ACU | 1:05:47 | 1:05:50 | |
and the problems caused by
fixed-odds betting. She agrees some | 1:05:50 | 1:05:55 | |
people have a problem with betting
but it is not just restricted to | 1:05:55 | 1:05:59 | |
machines. You can bet and Gamble far
more than £100 on any dog or horse | 1:05:59 | 1:06:05 | |
race. Your guest this morning is 1
million miles wide of the mark if | 1:06:05 | 1:06:11 | |
she thinks there will be no job
losses, if the state is reduced to | 1:06:11 | 1:06:16 | |
£2 per spin. I employ five people.
They will all lose their jobs the | 1:06:16 | 1:06:21 | |
following day should this extreme
action be taken. Thank you for | 1:06:21 | 1:06:24 | |
those.
Do get in touch. | 1:06:24 | 1:06:27 | |
Here's some sport now
with Olly Foster. | 1:06:27 | 1:06:33 | |
Good morning. Four Olympic golds,
six world championship titles, that | 1:06:33 | 1:06:39 | |
is the impact Alberto Salazar had on
so Mo Farah's career. But after six | 1:06:39 | 1:06:43 | |
years he is leaving his American
colt to return to the UK with his | 1:06:43 | 1:06:47 | |
family. He says the split has
nothing to do with the two-year US | 1:06:47 | 1:06:52 | |
anti-doping investigation into
Salazar. Both men deny any | 1:06:52 | 1:06:55 | |
wrongdoing. None of Salazar's
athletes have ever failed a drugs | 1:06:55 | 1:06:58 | |
test. Farah resigned -- retired from
the track this summer. Gary Locke | 1:06:58 | 1:07:04 | |
will oversee his marathon career.
Farah posted this message on social | 1:07:04 | 1:07:09 | |
media. | 1:07:09 | 1:07:10 | |
I want to thank each member
of the project and Alberto | 1:07:10 | 1:07:12 | |
for what he has done over the years.
Yeah, so I'm coming back. | 1:07:12 | 1:07:16 | |
My new coach is Gary Locke,
who coached Paula Radcliffe | 1:07:16 | 1:07:18 | |
through her marathons. | 1:07:18 | 1:07:19 | |
Very excited to start
a new project, a new start. | 1:07:19 | 1:07:21 | |
I can't wait to be back home
and I can't wait to see my team, | 1:07:21 | 1:07:25 | |
Arsenal, at the Emirates. | 1:07:25 | 1:07:31 | |
In the next half an hour at
Westminster, ADC select -- select | 1:07:31 | 1:07:36 | |
committee will hear from figures
within Paralympic sport as they | 1:07:36 | 1:07:39 | |
examine the classification of sports
within the Paralympic movement. A | 1:07:39 | 1:07:45 | |
BBC investigation uncovered claims
that some athletes manipulate the | 1:07:45 | 1:07:49 | |
rules, exaggerate their impairments,
to give them a better chance of | 1:07:49 | 1:07:52 | |
winning.
I don't subscribe to the view that | 1:07:52 | 1:07:55 | |
there is a fundamental weakness
within sport. I don't subscribe to | 1:07:55 | 1:08:01 | |
the view that it is absolutely
perfect either. I think actually it | 1:08:01 | 1:08:07 | |
is a very sophisticated part of
Paralympic sport that is getting | 1:08:07 | 1:08:10 | |
better, that is getting more
understood, and it fundamentally | 1:08:10 | 1:08:14 | |
does work to support the athletes to
compete and win fairly. Much more on | 1:08:14 | 1:08:18 | |
that select committee looking into
Paralympic sport on this programme | 1:08:18 | 1:08:23 | |
with Victoria after half past ten.
In the Premier League last night, | 1:08:23 | 1:08:29 | |
Sean Dyche celebrated five years at
Burnley in the best possible way. It | 1:08:29 | 1:08:34 | |
was a win for his team. They are
into seventh after beating Newcastle | 1:08:34 | 1:08:41 | |
1-0, Jeff Hendrick with the goal.
Dyche has recently been linked with | 1:08:41 | 1:08:48 | |
the vacant Everton job. England's
cricketers have had their first | 1:08:48 | 1:08:52 | |
practice session in Australia ahead
of the Ashes. They are in Perth and | 1:08:52 | 1:08:56 | |
they will face a waca 11 on
Saturday. We have heard from James | 1:08:56 | 1:09:01 | |
Vince, who is expected to bat at
three. He was dropped last year. He | 1:09:01 | 1:09:06 | |
says he was surprised to get a
recall. He is determined to make the | 1:09:06 | 1:09:10 | |
most of his second chance.
I think if you go to the side and do | 1:09:10 | 1:09:16 | |
well you get pompous up and it's all
very rosy. On the flip side if you | 1:09:16 | 1:09:19 | |
get pompous up and it's all very
rosy. On the flip side if you're | 1:09:19 | 1:09:22 | |
having a tough time, that is also
publicised. It was hard to deal with | 1:09:22 | 1:09:25 | |
at times. I felt I should be doing
better than what I was. Thankful to | 1:09:25 | 1:09:29 | |
have another opportunity now,
especially in Australia against the | 1:09:29 | 1:09:33 | |
Aussies in an Ashes series.
Blue skies in Perth. | 1:09:33 | 1:09:38 | |
Not jealous at all. Back with more
later. Thank you. Good morning. | 1:09:38 | 1:09:42 | |
On this programme tomorrow, we'll be
joined by an audience of women - | 1:09:42 | 1:09:45 | |
and some men - who've been sexually
harassed in all walks of life, | 1:09:45 | 1:09:48 | |
in the NHS, in schools, in banks. | 1:09:48 | 1:09:51 | |
But it's harassment in the world
of politics and acting | 1:09:51 | 1:09:54 | |
which is dominating headlines. | 1:09:54 | 1:09:56 | |
Conservative cabinet
minister Michael Fallon - | 1:09:56 | 1:09:58 | |
who's one of the most senior men
in Theresa May's government - | 1:09:58 | 1:10:01 | |
has admitted inappropriately
touching a female journalist, | 1:10:01 | 1:10:04 | |
by repeatedly putting his hand
on her knee in 2002. | 1:10:04 | 1:10:08 | |
She threatened to punch
him unless he stopped. | 1:10:08 | 1:10:10 | |
That allegation is thought to be
the tip of the iceberg, | 1:10:10 | 1:10:17 | |
Let's speak to Norman Smith,
who's in Westminster. | 1:10:17 | 1:10:22 | |
How serious is this for Michael
Fallon? I suppose mitigating this is | 1:10:22 | 1:10:27 | |
the fact it happened back in 2002.
The reaction of the journalist | 1:10:27 | 1:10:31 | |
involved, Julia Hartley-Brewer, she
tweeted that she doesn't see herself | 1:10:31 | 1:10:36 | |
as a victim, that she is still
friends with Michael Fallon and she | 1:10:36 | 1:10:40 | |
doesn't want this to be compared to
some of the allegations of sexual | 1:10:40 | 1:10:45 | |
harassment and intimidation that
have been swirling around | 1:10:45 | 1:10:46 | |
Westminster. In that sense it is the
lesser end of the accusations. And | 1:10:46 | 1:10:53 | |
her view, and I suspect the view of
many people, will be the danger of | 1:10:53 | 1:10:58 | |
conflating this incident, which was
Michael Fallon repeatedly putting | 1:10:58 | 1:11:01 | |
his hand on her knee at a dinner at
the Conservative Party conference, | 1:11:01 | 1:11:05 | |
isn't in the same league as, you
know, situations where older male | 1:11:05 | 1:11:11 | |
MPs are behaving in a predatory way
towards younger female researchers. | 1:11:11 | 1:11:17 | |
Clearly the dynamic is somewhat
different. Add this morning I notice | 1:11:17 | 1:11:20 | |
Julia Hartley-Brewer was taking a
fairly light-hearted approach to | 1:11:20 | 1:11:24 | |
add. She put up tweet. Full medical
checkup this morning, and yes, both | 1:11:24 | 1:11:30 | |
of my knees are still intact. Get a
grip, people. Although, not of my | 1:11:30 | 1:11:37 | |
knee, obviously. She is not taking
it too seriously. I suspect a lot of | 1:11:37 | 1:11:42 | |
people at Westminster will take the
view there are serious problems to | 1:11:42 | 1:11:45 | |
be addressed. There are issues
around a grossly inadequate | 1:11:45 | 1:11:49 | |
complaints system. There are issues
around the vulnerability of junior | 1:11:49 | 1:11:53 | |
members of staff and the culture at
Westminster. And the danger is they | 1:11:53 | 1:11:58 | |
get sort of conflated and confused
and maybe even trivialised by much | 1:11:58 | 1:12:03 | |
lesser incidents, perhaps like that
involving Sir Michael Fallon. What | 1:12:03 | 1:12:08 | |
else do you know about this dossier
of MPs acting inappropriately? The | 1:12:08 | 1:12:15 | |
dossier is reported to have 35 named
MPs who are accused of a whole range | 1:12:15 | 1:12:21 | |
of sexual misdemeanours. From
inappropriate behaviour to | 1:12:21 | 1:12:28 | |
intimidating attitude towards staff,
to asking staff to do inappropriate | 1:12:28 | 1:12:34 | |
duties. A whole range of things. I
have to say, no names. I guess that | 1:12:34 | 1:12:39 | |
is where we are at the moment. There
is a whole swirl of allegations but | 1:12:39 | 1:12:45 | |
there is a lack, at the moment, of
hard evidence. And that kind of, I | 1:12:45 | 1:12:51 | |
suspect, reflected truth here that
many of the victims and probably | 1:12:51 | 1:12:54 | |
most of them are junior
Parliamentary aides, researchers, | 1:12:54 | 1:13:00 | |
people on work placement, just do
not feel in the position to go | 1:13:00 | 1:13:03 | |
public and make those sort of
accusations about MPs, much more | 1:13:03 | 1:13:10 | |
senior figures. They probably feel
intimidated and simply don't want to | 1:13:10 | 1:13:13 | |
go there. That is why there is this
view that there has to be a much | 1:13:13 | 1:13:17 | |
more coherent, user-friendly
complaints system. At the moment the | 1:13:17 | 1:13:22 | |
only way you can really raise a
complaint about an MP is to go to | 1:13:22 | 1:13:26 | |
the MP, which of course is a
complete no no for many people if | 1:13:26 | 1:13:31 | |
they have been victims of harassment
by that particular MP. One other | 1:13:31 | 1:13:35 | |
thing worth saying is that although
there is a lot of rhetoric about | 1:13:35 | 1:13:40 | |
something must be done, the speaker
yesterday kind of passed the ball | 1:13:40 | 1:13:46 | |
back to the political parties to do
something. He is not going to do it. | 1:13:46 | 1:13:49 | |
He doesn't believe it is up to the
political authorities. He believes | 1:13:49 | 1:13:54 | |
it is down to the political parties.
The danger is that politics gets | 1:13:54 | 1:13:59 | |
wrapped up in this. I am reminded
that when David Cameron tried to | 1:13:59 | 1:14:04 | |
introduce a mandatory code of
conduct in 2014 for Tory MPs, they | 1:14:04 | 1:14:08 | |
basically told him to take a running
jump, that it was none of his | 1:14:08 | 1:14:12 | |
business or the party's business to
try and set out how they should run | 1:14:12 | 1:14:17 | |
relations between themselves and
their staff. So getting the parties | 1:14:17 | 1:14:21 | |
to do something and then to agree on
it, may yet be quite a challenge. | 1:14:21 | 1:14:25 | |
Thank you. | 1:14:25 | 1:14:29 | |
The maximum stake for fixed-odds
betting terminals could drop | 1:14:29 | 1:14:32 | |
to as little as £2, under
a government review. | 1:14:32 | 1:14:34 | |
Currently, people can bet up
to £100 every 20 seconds | 1:14:34 | 1:14:36 | |
on the gaming machines,
but proposals could limit that | 1:14:36 | 1:14:38 | |
to between £2 and £50. | 1:14:38 | 1:14:44 | |
Jim Reid has been speaking to
gamblers, some of whom have lost | 1:14:44 | 1:14:47 | |
thousands. | 1:14:47 | 1:14:47 | |
I was in that hairdressers over
the road and I don't | 1:14:47 | 1:14:50 | |
know what happened. | 1:14:50 | 1:14:51 | |
I came out of the hairdressers
I thought, oh, go on, | 1:14:51 | 1:14:54 | |
what's the harm, I'll go
in and have a go. | 1:14:54 | 1:14:56 | |
The addiction is always present. | 1:14:56 | 1:14:57 | |
I fed in what I had in my wallet,
which I think was about £90. | 1:14:57 | 1:15:01 | |
Then I came out, took some money
out of the cashpoint. | 1:15:01 | 1:15:04 | |
At this point, I was totally
devastated and just completely | 1:15:04 | 1:15:06 | |
caught up in the gambling. | 1:15:06 | 1:15:07 | |
In a red mist is probably the best
way to describe it, or fog. | 1:15:07 | 1:15:13 | |
And I just went to the counter
and said, you know, 500. | 1:15:13 | 1:15:16 | |
I lost that in the space
of a few minutes. | 1:15:16 | 1:15:18 | |
1,000, I lost that. | 1:15:18 | 1:15:20 | |
1,000, lost that, and another 1,000
- until I had no more | 1:15:20 | 1:15:23 | |
money in my bank account. | 1:15:23 | 1:15:27 | |
I was in that hairdressers over
the road and I don't | 1:15:27 | 1:15:47 | |
I've got a flat set up
and everything ready to go. | 1:15:47 | 1:15:50 | |
But because of that relapse,
and because my wife realised | 1:15:50 | 1:15:52 | |
I was still very much
in the gambling, the | 1:15:52 | 1:15:54 | |
addiction was there... | 1:15:54 | 1:16:01 | |
There are plans to tackle the way
online betting sites are sold and | 1:16:01 | 1:16:05 | |
advertised. Last week this programme
revealed that 95% of TV advertising | 1:16:05 | 1:16:10 | |
breaks during live, UK football
matches feature at least one | 1:16:10 | 1:16:13 | |
gambling advert.
As revealed by our reporter Jim | 1:16:13 | 1:16:17 | |
Reed. So what is the Government
saying? They are saying they want to | 1:16:17 | 1:16:23 | |
tighten the rules around
advertising. We are talking about a | 1:16:23 | 1:16:26 | |
crackdown in particular on betting
adverts appearing in the social | 1:16:26 | 1:16:29 | |
media feed of under-18s which is one
thing there has been a big campaign | 1:16:29 | 1:16:32 | |
about in the press and new rules on
adverts which encourage impulsive | 1:16:32 | 1:16:38 | |
gambling. If you watch a lot of live
football a lot of the adverts, the | 1:16:38 | 1:16:42 | |
message is bet now, go online, best
odds now if you go online. It is | 1:16:42 | 1:16:47 | |
adverts like that would fall foul of
the new regulations. | 1:16:47 | 1:16:51 | |
Some people would like things to go
further, I think, wouldn't they? You | 1:16:51 | 1:16:56 | |
have got this situation with
advertising and gambling where it is | 1:16:56 | 1:16:59 | |
banned or the rules ban if before
the 9pm watershed shed and ed is an | 1:16:59 | 1:17:04 | |
exception and that loophole is for
any live sport and that's one reason | 1:17:04 | 1:17:07 | |
you see the big increase if gambling
adverts in live football matches. | 1:17:07 | 1:17:13 | |
You were talking earlier and we did
research last week showing in some | 1:17:13 | 1:17:17 | |
games one in three of the adverts,
shown before the watershed, are for | 1:17:17 | 1:17:21 | |
gambling companies. Some people
think they need to be completely | 1:17:21 | 1:17:29 | |
banned in live sport. At one time we
thought that's the way the | 1:17:29 | 1:17:33 | |
Government in this country was going
to head. They haven't gone that way. | 1:17:33 | 1:17:37 | |
There will be a new pot of money, we
think between £5 million and £7 | 1:17:37 | 1:17:44 | |
million for an advertising campaign
for responsible gambling and those | 1:17:44 | 1:17:48 | |
adverts will be shown in live
football matches. What response to | 1:17:48 | 1:17:51 | |
that? Labour say it doesn't go far
enough. Tom Watson speaking about | 1:17:51 | 1:17:59 | |
and add ask about adverts. Labour
say more research is needed to show | 1:17:59 | 1:18:03 | |
that they lead to more problem
gambling. They would take extra | 1:18:03 | 1:18:07 | |
measures including banning betting
firms advertising on football shirts | 1:18:07 | 1:18:10 | |
for example.
Thank you, Jim. | 1:18:10 | 1:18:13 | |
Some more comments from you. This
texter says, "I am a compulsive | 1:18:13 | 1:18:20 | |
gambler, the sooner they cap the
terminals to £2 a stake. . People's | 1:18:20 | 1:18:26 | |
lives are being destroyed by these
machines." This e-mail from | 1:18:26 | 1:18:30 | |
Lorraine, "My brother would steal
whatever he could from our family to | 1:18:30 | 1:18:33 | |
fund his gambling. This has gone on
for years. He won big, but he lost a | 1:18:33 | 1:18:38 | |
lot bigger." . I have known for a
long time that my sister has been | 1:18:38 | 1:18:47 | |
stealing from my mum and dad's bank
accounts, she plays bingo and bets | 1:18:47 | 1:18:51 | |
on the horses." Mick says, "The
betting shops have become high stake | 1:18:51 | 1:18:57 | |
amusement arcades. These machines
should never about been allowed in | 1:18:57 | 1:19:01 | |
the bookmakers in the first place.
The FOBTs should be taken out." | 1:19:01 | 1:19:07 | |
Let's speak to Terry White,
whose gambling problems | 1:19:07 | 1:19:13 | |
have cost him £500,000. | 1:19:13 | 1:19:14 | |
In the studio I am joined by
Conservative MP Sir Peter Bottomley, | 1:19:14 | 1:19:19 | |
who is secretary for a cross-party
group on fixed-odds betting. | 1:19:19 | 1:19:25 | |
Terry White, tell bus your own
problems. Well, I have been a | 1:19:25 | 1:19:28 | |
gambler since the age of about 15
even and usually bet on sport, horse | 1:19:28 | 1:19:35 | |
racing and mainly football and it
was relatively under control and I | 1:19:35 | 1:19:39 | |
was actually quite successful of it
and made a few hundred thousand, but | 1:19:39 | 1:19:43 | |
sadly when the machines were
introduced into the betting shops | 1:19:43 | 1:19:46 | |
about 15 years ago, I went from sort
of £5 and £10 stakes betting in | 1:19:46 | 1:19:52 | |
hundreds and then in thousands and
then sadly in tens of thousands to | 1:19:52 | 1:19:56 | |
the extent that I have lost my home,
and I am about to be made bankrupt | 1:19:56 | 1:20:01 | |
and I am addicted to them and I
believe that the betting operators | 1:20:01 | 1:20:05 | |
have not helped me enough and
certainly they have not recognise | 1:20:05 | 1:20:08 | |
that had for quite a few people we
have serious issues with them and | 1:20:08 | 1:20:12 | |
there needs to be tighter
regulation. If the stake had been | 1:20:12 | 1:20:15 | |
£2, do you think your life would
have been very different? Oh very | 1:20:15 | 1:20:19 | |
much so, Victoria. It would have
simply have been not just a few | 1:20:19 | 1:20:23 | |
thousand, which obviously is a lot
of money to many people, but it | 1:20:23 | 1:20:27 | |
wouldn't have created the buzz and
high stakes adrenalin that you get | 1:20:27 | 1:20:35 | |
when there is hundreds of pounds
thousands of pounds at stake. You | 1:20:35 | 1:20:40 | |
are stealing and begging and doing
all sorts of things to feed at the | 1:20:40 | 1:20:46 | |
addiction, the betting staff can't
help, they are under pressure to | 1:20:46 | 1:20:49 | |
come and make customers aware that
they are spending perhaps over what | 1:20:49 | 1:20:53 | |
they should, but realistically, you
know, they are employees of of a | 1:20:53 | 1:20:57 | |
betting organisation and their first
responsibility is to their | 1:20:57 | 1:21:00 | |
employers, I guess. Sir Peter
Bottomley, the proposals which will | 1:21:00 | 1:21:04 | |
be consulted on over the next three
months suggest a stake could be £2, | 1:21:04 | 1:21:10 | |
but it could be £50. What would you
go for? £2. We ought to have Terry's | 1:21:10 | 1:21:17 | |
law. People like he could have fun.
They could risk a bit, lose a bit | 1:21:17 | 1:21:22 | |
and gain a bit, but mainly lose and
he would be able to live his life | 1:21:22 | 1:21:26 | |
without disturbance. If these
so-called betting shops would close, | 1:21:26 | 1:21:29 | |
if the machines weren't there at
£100, or £50, they are not betting | 1:21:29 | 1:21:35 | |
shops, they are machine shops and
the ways of stripping money out of | 1:21:35 | 1:21:41 | |
people, nearly £500 million goes to
the government. You have no sympathy | 1:21:41 | 1:21:46 | |
that thousands of jobs will be lost.
The betting industry are beginning | 1:21:46 | 1:21:49 | |
to tar themselves with a bad sort of
colour. If there were no horses in | 1:21:49 | 1:21:54 | |
this country, they could go on
running machines. We have a lot of | 1:21:54 | 1:21:59 | |
employment in our horse industry,
breeding, and running and race | 1:21:59 | 1:22:03 | |
courses. They say they would prefer
to get rid of that and just have the | 1:22:03 | 1:22:09 | |
machines, there is just one person
sitting in a so-called shop with | 1:22:09 | 1:22:12 | |
four machines there. They declared
their own stake, their stake is to | 1:22:12 | 1:22:18 | |
rapid off people like Terry. If
Terry was spending say £10,000 a | 1:22:18 | 1:22:24 | |
year on gambling, instead of that if
he put £9,000 into extending his | 1:22:24 | 1:22:31 | |
house and buying new furniture, the
employment factor is higher than one | 1:22:31 | 1:22:36 | |
person, not supervising gamblers
losing money in four machines. The | 1:22:36 | 1:22:42 | |
all-party Parliamentary group on
fixed odds betting terminals, has it | 1:22:42 | 1:22:49 | |
weakened its case by accepting
donations from companies that | 1:22:49 | 1:22:52 | |
operate rival products to bookies
such as donation from DJ | 1:22:52 | 1:22:56 | |
Wetherspoon. The simple answer is
no. How is that possible? When I was | 1:22:56 | 1:23:04 | |
young I spent my time working at a
fun fair. I met a man called Pat | 1:23:04 | 1:23:09 | |
O'Neill. He has died, but his family
go on running it. Come down to | 1:23:09 | 1:23:14 | |
Worthing and look atten ect Leisure
and look the fun people are having. | 1:23:14 | 1:23:18 | |
Why are you taking donation from JD
Wetherspoon's. How do you run an | 1:23:18 | 1:23:23 | |
organisation against the bookmakers.
Take Gala Bingo. See people having, | 1:23:23 | 1:23:30 | |
society, in community, being able to
buy food cheaply, stake small ams of | 1:23:30 | 1:23:35 | |
money on their bingo, some small
machines, nothing like the pour your | 1:23:35 | 1:23:39 | |
money down this slot for the FOBTs,
and they are not defending it, they | 1:23:39 | 1:23:47 | |
are ripping people off, nobody
intended in Parliament they should | 1:23:47 | 1:23:50 | |
lose money at the rate Terry did and
bring in Terry's law. Thank you very | 1:23:50 | 1:23:54 | |
much. Thank you. Conservative MP Sir
Peter Bottomley and Terry White, | 1:23:54 | 1:23:59 | |
thank you for coming on the
programme. Thank you. | 1:23:59 | 1:24:02 | |
It was another eventful day
for President Trump yesterday. | 1:24:07 | 1:24:09 | |
His former campaign manager faces
serious charges of money laundering | 1:24:09 | 1:24:11 | |
and his former foreign policy
adviser admitted that he'd lied | 1:24:11 | 1:24:14 | |
to the FBI over his
Russian connections. | 1:24:14 | 1:24:18 | |
This is a big deal because for
months, the White House has denied | 1:24:18 | 1:24:21 | |
any collusion with Russia
during the election campaign. | 1:24:21 | 1:24:23 | |
Now this man, George Papadopoulos,
seen here fourth from the left | 1:24:23 | 1:24:27 | |
of Donald Trump, has admitted
he falsely claimed he met with two | 1:24:27 | 1:24:30 | |
Russian go-betweens before joining
the Trump campaign in March 2016. | 1:24:30 | 1:24:33 | |
In fact, he met them
after joining the campaign. | 1:24:33 | 1:24:43 | |
We can talk now to
Dr Sebastian Gorka. | 1:24:46 | 1:24:50 | |
He, was until recently,
one of Donald Trunp's | 1:24:50 | 1:24:52 | |
most senior advisers. | 1:24:52 | 1:24:54 | |
At one stage he was dubbed the most
powerful Brit in the White House | 1:24:54 | 1:25:01 | |
A | 1:25:01 | 1:25:01 | |
until he was sacked a few
months ago from his role. | 1:25:01 | 1:25:08 | |
We can also hear
from Nancy Soderburgh, | 1:25:08 | 1:25:10 | |
a former White House National
Security Advisor to Bill Clinton | 1:25:10 | 1:25:13 | |
who is now running for Congress
in Florida for the Democrats. | 1:25:13 | 1:25:16 | |
Dr Gorka isn't time that Donald
Trump came about his links and his | 1:25:16 | 1:25:20 | |
office's links to Russia? He doesn't
have any. So there is nothing to | 1:25:20 | 1:25:24 | |
come clean about. There is nothing
to find. Yesterday's unveiling of | 1:25:24 | 1:25:34 | |
why a fraud charges dating back 11
years and Manafort's connections to | 1:25:34 | 1:25:41 | |
the Ukraine just have nothing to do
with Russia and have nothing to do | 1:25:41 | 1:25:45 | |
with collusion and the fact that you
called a 29-year-old peripheral | 1:25:45 | 1:25:50 | |
individual his foreign policy
adviser is a great example of fake | 1:25:50 | 1:25:53 | |
news. That individual was part of
the committee that met once and he | 1:25:53 | 1:25:58 | |
in no way, shape or form was the
foreign policy adviser to Donald | 1:25:58 | 1:26:03 | |
Trump. It's desperation. It is the
left clutching at straws. There is | 1:26:03 | 1:26:08 | |
no collusion. There is no conspiracy
and they will find No none if you | 1:26:08 | 1:26:13 | |
want to prosecute why a fraud and
not paying your taxes and that's | 1:26:13 | 1:26:17 | |
fine, but it has nothing to do do
with collusion. If you look Hillary | 1:26:17 | 1:26:28 | |
Clinton the $140 million paid into
her bang at her foundation and the | 1:26:28 | 1:26:33 | |
dodgy dossier which her lawyers
spent $12 million on. Do you think | 1:26:33 | 1:26:36 | |
it will be enough to simply continue
to say there was no collusion? That | 1:26:36 | 1:26:40 | |
will be enough? Yes. Absolutely.
Zero. None. Can you think of why | 1:26:40 | 1:26:46 | |
this man would lie about meetings
with the two Russian go-between? You | 1:26:46 | 1:26:50 | |
would have to ask him. This is
clearly a person who oversold | 1:26:50 | 1:26:53 | |
himself. If you look at the
indictment sheet for the individual | 1:26:53 | 1:26:57 | |
that you are talking about, there is
a very interesting footnote on it. | 1:26:57 | 1:27:02 | |
It is page eight where they quote an
e-mail where they say, "We will not | 1:27:02 | 1:27:06 | |
talk anymore to this person because
clearly he is misrepresenting | 1:27:06 | 1:27:10 | |
himself." Even the campaign thought
this guy was something doing | 1:27:10 | 1:27:15 | |
something that was untoward and they
rejected his advances. There is some | 1:27:15 | 1:27:21 | |
speculation that George Papadopoulos
became an informant for the FBI and | 1:27:21 | 1:27:24 | |
was wearing a wire in order to
gather information on potential | 1:27:24 | 1:27:27 | |
suspects. Would than worrying to
Donald Trump? No, not at all because | 1:27:27 | 1:27:32 | |
they are never going to find
anything because there is nothing | 1:27:32 | 1:27:35 | |
there. The bottom line is look at
what he was charged with. He wasn't | 1:27:35 | 1:27:42 | |
charged with anything criminal
relating to the election or Russia | 1:27:42 | 1:27:44 | |
or anything else, he was charged
with lying to federal agents in an | 1:27:44 | 1:27:49 | |
interview. That tells you there is
smoke, but no fire. Does it bother | 1:27:49 | 1:27:55 | |
President Trump that there were
people around him who have since | 1:27:55 | 1:27:58 | |
lied to official investigators? I
don't think so. I don't think. The | 1:27:58 | 1:28:02 | |
president isn't responsible for
everybody's actions around him. | 1:28:02 | 1:28:06 | |
Essentially peripheral figures who
met in a committee once. He has got | 1:28:06 | 1:28:10 | |
important things to do and they
don't include George Papadopoulos. I | 1:28:10 | 1:28:13 | |
want to ask you about another big
issue in the UK and in the United | 1:28:13 | 1:28:18 | |
States, headlines dominated by
sexual harassment claims in | 1:28:18 | 1:28:21 | |
Hollywood and in politics. The
president has faced allegations of | 1:28:21 | 1:28:26 | |
sexual harassment how weiried will
he be at the moment? Zero worried. | 1:28:26 | 1:28:30 | |
Because... Because there is nothing
there again. It's just desperation. | 1:28:30 | 1:28:36 | |
The left knows this is the most
successful president in the first | 1:28:36 | 1:28:41 | |
nine months in modern history. You
look at the economy. One million | 1:28:41 | 1:28:44 | |
jobs created. You look at the 47
stock market record break since 20th | 1:28:44 | 1:28:49 | |
January. You look at 78% decease in
illegal migration. Nato revitalised | 1:28:49 | 1:28:57 | |
at 2% of GDP spending, Isis kicked
out of Mosul, Isis kicked out of | 1:28:57 | 1:29:02 | |
Raqqa. This is just the left, they
can't get over that 8th November's | 1:29:02 | 1:29:07 | |
victory of the rank outside of
Donald J Trump so they keep doing | 1:29:07 | 1:29:10 | |
this fake news, but it's irrelevant.
It is not fake that Donald Trump | 1:29:10 | 1:29:15 | |
talked about grabbing a woman by the
vagina. Yeah, guys talk about a lot | 1:29:15 | 1:29:20 | |
of things in private, so what? It's
not trying to have sex with a | 1:29:20 | 1:29:27 | |
14-year-old old boy like Kevin
Spacey. So that's acceptable? What, | 1:29:27 | 1:29:32 | |
locker room talk? Do you know men
who talk crudely privately or don't | 1:29:32 | 1:29:36 | |
you?
I mean it is irrelevant. As it | 1:29:36 | 1:29:41 | |
happens I don't know that anyone
would use that kind of language. You | 1:29:41 | 1:29:45 | |
must live in a very rarified
atmosphere. You never met anybody | 1:29:45 | 1:29:49 | |
who plays rugby or soccer and uses
blue language privately then you | 1:29:49 | 1:29:53 | |
really must be a member of the
closeted elite. Have you ever had | 1:29:53 | 1:29:58 | |
conversations with him about those
claims from the women who said he | 1:29:58 | 1:30:01 | |
sexually harassed them? No, as a
strategist to the president of the | 1:30:01 | 1:30:06 | |
United States, funnily enough I
haven't. | 1:30:06 | 1:30:10 | |
Let me bring in Nancy. The
significance of the arrest first of | 1:30:10 | 1:30:14 | |
all in your view? Well, good
morning. I think this is not a good | 1:30:14 | 1:30:20 | |
day for Donald Trump. This is an
indictment of his campaign chairman | 1:30:20 | 1:30:29 | |
and the arrest of two other people
involved at various levels of the | 1:30:29 | 1:30:34 | |
campaign and it is very clear that
the junior guy, George Papadopoulos, | 1:30:34 | 1:30:38 | |
has been wearing a wire, I think,
very clearly. I think this is just | 1:30:38 | 1:30:42 | |
the first of more facts to come out,
but I think Sebastian is right in | 1:30:42 | 1:30:49 | |
that this doesn't lead yet to the
president. We don't know whether it | 1:30:49 | 1:30:52 | |
will lead to the president. This is
clearly some e-mails coming out | 1:30:52 | 1:30:57 | |
about being approached by the
Russians, being willing to take dirt | 1:30:57 | 1:31:00 | |
on Hillary Clinton in the campaign.
That's been known. What wasn't known | 1:31:00 | 1:31:06 | |
is there was this young guy, until
yesterday, I don't think anyone had | 1:31:06 | 1:31:10 | |
heard of, had been approached as
sort of the point person at a junior | 1:31:10 | 1:31:15 | |
level to reach out to the Russians
and he sought repeated meetings with | 1:31:15 | 1:31:22 | |
the Russians and they all lied about
it. Paul man that ford came out a | 1:31:22 | 1:31:27 | |
year-and-a-half that he had taken
shush money from theure gainian | 1:31:27 | 1:31:31 | |
government and I thought at the time
he hadn't paid taxes on that, so | 1:31:31 | 1:31:35 | |
that would be a drip, drip, drip
which Sebastian is right, doesn't | 1:31:35 | 1:31:40 | |
affect Donald Trump. But what may
affect Donald Trump and it is | 1:31:40 | 1:31:45 | |
important to let this independent,
led by Muller who is not a partisan | 1:31:45 | 1:31:50 | |
continue the investigation because
we don't know what went on during | 1:31:50 | 1:31:54 | |
the elections. I'm not one who
questions the outcome of the | 1:31:54 | 1:31:57 | |
elections and I have moved on from
that and trying to go back and dig | 1:31:57 | 1:32:00 | |
up more dirt on Hillary Clinton is
simply a distraction. What we need | 1:32:00 | 1:32:05 | |
to know is what did the president
know and when did he know it? It | 1:32:05 | 1:32:08 | |
maybe nothing. | 1:32:08 | 1:32:13 | |
There are some characters around the
president, Mike Flynn, who lied | 1:32:13 | 1:32:18 | |
about his meetings with the
Russians. We don't know his legal | 1:32:18 | 1:32:22 | |
studies. There are meetings Donald
Trump's son had. What has come Eigg | 1:32:22 | 1:32:31 | |
with these indictments, this is the
beginning, not the end. We don't | 1:32:31 | 1:32:38 | |
know what the president is going to
do. He has the right to pardon these | 1:32:38 | 1:32:42 | |
individuals. He has already done it
on a popular sheriff who was tough | 1:32:42 | 1:32:46 | |
on immigration. It will be a
rallying cry for the president. We | 1:32:46 | 1:32:54 | |
will see. The plot thickens today.
Thank you very much. | 1:32:54 | 1:33:01 | |
Still to come macro, we will hear
claims that UK athletics have | 1:33:01 | 1:33:06 | |
manipulated the Paralympic
classification system to win medals. | 1:33:06 | 1:33:09 | |
A parliamentary hearing is about to
get under way. And survivors of | 1:33:09 | 1:33:13 | |
domestic abuse talus Mike Baird
trying to get suitable | 1:33:13 | 1:33:21 | |
accommodation. -- tell us. Now the
latest news. | 1:33:21 | 1:33:24 | |
Good morning. | 1:33:24 | 1:33:26 | |
The government has proposed reducing
the amount of money that can be | 1:33:26 | 1:33:28 | |
staked on fixed-odds betting
terminals, to protect players | 1:33:28 | 1:33:30 | |
from racking up huge losses. | 1:33:30 | 1:33:40 | |
Measures will undergo a short
consultation period. Critics call | 1:33:42 | 1:33:46 | |
the machines the crack cocaine of
gambling. | 1:33:46 | 1:33:49 | |
The White House has
dismissed the arrest of some | 1:33:49 | 1:33:51 | |
of President Trump's former
advisers as "nothing to do | 1:33:51 | 1:33:53 | |
with the president". | 1:33:53 | 1:33:54 | |
George Papadopoulos has
admitted lying to the FBI | 1:33:54 | 1:33:56 | |
about his contacts with Russia,
and now appears to have been helping | 1:33:56 | 1:33:59 | |
the investigation into alleged
links between the Trump | 1:33:59 | 1:34:01 | |
campaign and Moscow. | 1:34:01 | 1:34:02 | |
Two other Trump aides have been
placed under house arrest. | 1:34:02 | 1:34:08 | |
Facebook says 126 million
Americans may have come into contact | 1:34:08 | 1:34:12 | |
with Russian-backed propaganda
before and after last year's | 1:34:12 | 1:34:16 | |
presidential election. | 1:34:16 | 1:34:17 | |
Twitter and Google also say
they were used to share divisive | 1:34:17 | 1:34:19 | |
posts traced to Russia. | 1:34:19 | 1:34:22 | |
The social media giants had
initially dismissed complaints | 1:34:22 | 1:34:24 | |
about fake news as crazy. | 1:34:24 | 1:34:28 | |
The Bank of England says failure
to secure a trade deal with the EU | 1:34:28 | 1:34:32 | |
before Brexit could see the loss
of 75,000 jobs from the UK's | 1:34:32 | 1:34:35 | |
financial services sector. | 1:34:35 | 1:34:37 | |
It's told financial firms to be
prepared for "no deal", | 1:34:37 | 1:34:39 | |
but senior figures at the Bank
are said to be optimistic that | 1:34:39 | 1:34:42 | |
negotiations will be successful. | 1:34:42 | 1:34:47 | |
Women fleeing domestic abuse have
told this programme they're | 1:34:47 | 1:34:50 | |
being left homeless because councils
are failing to provide them with | 1:34:50 | 1:34:53 | |
suitable temporary accommodation. | 1:34:53 | 1:34:54 | |
It means in some cases women
are having to move time and time | 1:34:54 | 1:34:58 | |
again when councils can't
find appropriate homes. | 1:34:58 | 1:35:03 | |
The Defence Secretary,
Sir Michael Fallon, has | 1:35:03 | 1:35:05 | |
confirmed he was once
rebuked by a political journalist | 1:35:05 | 1:35:07 | |
for putting his hand
on her knee during dinner. | 1:35:07 | 1:35:10 | |
The radio presenter,
Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had | 1:35:10 | 1:35:13 | |
not been "remotely upset
or distressed" by the incident, | 1:35:13 | 1:35:17 | |
which happened 15 years ago. | 1:35:17 | 1:35:19 | |
Ms Hartley-Brewer said
that it was absurd to treat | 1:35:19 | 1:35:21 | |
misjudged sexual overtures
or flirting as being morally | 1:35:21 | 1:35:23 | |
equivalent to serious sexual
harassment or assault. | 1:35:23 | 1:35:28 | |
That is a summary of the latest BBC
News. | 1:35:28 | 1:35:33 | |
An e-mail from Chris, a very worried
mother. On fixed odds betting | 1:35:33 | 1:35:40 | |
terminals, she says her son has a
terrible addiction and it is ruining | 1:35:40 | 1:35:43 | |
their lives. He has banned himself
from all his local betting shops but | 1:35:43 | 1:35:49 | |
that doesn't work.
They allow him back in. If you want | 1:35:49 | 1:35:52 | |
to get in touch, you can do so.
Now the sport. Hello. Sir Mo Farah | 1:35:52 | 1:36:01 | |
has left his American coach, Alberto
Salazar. He is returning to the UK | 1:36:01 | 1:36:06 | |
with Gary Locke said to oversee his
marathon career. Salles -- Salazar | 1:36:06 | 1:36:11 | |
is the subject of the UK and did
open investigation. Sean Dyche mark | 1:36:11 | 1:36:16 | |
five years as manager of Burnley
with a victory over Newcastle last | 1:36:16 | 1:36:21 | |
night. Jeff Hendrick with the only
goal. They are into seventh in the | 1:36:21 | 1:36:26 | |
Premier League. Manchester United
Tigger 100% record into their | 1:36:26 | 1:36:29 | |
Champions League group game against
Benfica. Victory could take United | 1:36:29 | 1:36:33 | |
into the knockout stages. Chelsea
and Celtic also play tonight. And | 1:36:33 | 1:36:38 | |
Ronnie O'Sullivan has been knocked
out of the International open in | 1:36:38 | 1:36:41 | |
China by 17-year-old. Sullivan says
the only men to have played that | 1:36:41 | 1:36:47 | |
well against him are John Higgins
and Stephen Hendry. That is all your | 1:36:47 | 1:36:51 | |
support of this morning. I am back
with more after 11. | 1:36:51 | 1:36:53 | |
Thank you. Let's talk about
Paralympics. | 1:36:53 | 1:36:58 | |
Some of Britain's most successful
Paralympic athletes are facing | 1:36:58 | 1:37:00 | |
suggestions they won their gold
medals unfairly at parliamentary | 1:37:00 | 1:37:02 | |
hearing, which is under way
right now, on whether | 1:37:02 | 1:37:05 | |
the classification system
is fit for purpose. | 1:37:05 | 1:37:09 | |
We'll bring you some of it live. | 1:37:09 | 1:37:10 | |
First, here's a guide as how
the classification system | 1:37:10 | 1:37:13 | |
actually works. | 1:37:13 | 1:37:22 | |
I beg your pardon. | 1:37:28 | 1:37:32 | |
Earlier we spoke to two
Paralympic athletes - | 1:37:32 | 1:37:34 | |
James Freeman, who has cerebal palsy
and thinks he's raced against | 1:37:34 | 1:37:36 | |
wrongly categorised athletes. | 1:37:36 | 1:37:37 | |
And Richard Whitehead,
four-times world champion, | 1:37:37 | 1:37:39 | |
two-time Parlympian gold medal
winner for the 200 metres. | 1:37:39 | 1:37:42 | |
James, I'm going to start with you,
the accusation is that athletes | 1:37:42 | 1:37:45 | |
are pretending to be more disabled
than they are in order to win more. | 1:37:45 | 1:37:49 | |
Have you come across this? | 1:37:49 | 1:37:50 | |
Yes. | 1:37:50 | 1:37:52 | |
I've come across this
a number of times. | 1:37:52 | 1:37:57 | |
It is purely down to
the range of motion. | 1:37:57 | 1:38:01 | |
So you'll instantly be able to tell
if someone is less disabled | 1:38:01 | 1:38:04 | |
than they already are. | 1:38:04 | 1:38:07 | |
You can tell by the way they sit,
the posture, in terms of racing, | 1:38:07 | 1:38:11 | |
it's all about core function. | 1:38:11 | 1:38:15 | |
The motor skills, if you will. | 1:38:15 | 1:38:21 | |
The more range of
movement they have. | 1:38:21 | 1:38:22 | |
OK. | 1:38:22 | 1:38:23 | |
So in its most basic term,
for example, you wouldn't be able | 1:38:23 | 1:38:28 | |
to get out of your wheelchair? | 1:38:28 | 1:38:30 | |
No. | 1:38:30 | 1:38:31 | |
But are you saying there are some
athletes in the same | 1:38:31 | 1:38:34 | |
category as you who can? | 1:38:34 | 1:38:35 | |
Yes. | 1:38:35 | 1:38:36 | |
And who lie about that? | 1:38:36 | 1:38:37 | |
Yes. | 1:38:37 | 1:38:40 | |
Or maybe not necessarily... | 1:38:40 | 1:38:43 | |
maybe necessarily they have a lack
of education when it comes | 1:38:43 | 1:38:45 | |
to the whole classification system,
I don't know. | 1:38:45 | 1:38:49 | |
So of course, we can't blame these
people, they may not | 1:38:49 | 1:38:52 | |
know that's the case. | 1:38:52 | 1:38:53 | |
But you think some do know
and are doing it deliberately? | 1:38:53 | 1:38:56 | |
Yes. | 1:38:56 | 1:38:57 | |
And what impact does
not have on somebody | 1:38:57 | 1:38:59 | |
like you who wants to compete? | 1:38:59 | 1:39:00 | |
Well, I feel that like it happens... | 1:39:00 | 1:39:04 | |
that I've been training for seven
years and when you have someone | 1:39:04 | 1:39:07 | |
who is physically better
than you and who is a lot physically | 1:39:07 | 1:39:10 | |
stronger than you and has more core
strength and is all-round | 1:39:10 | 1:39:14 | |
going to be better than you just
on the ability alone it has a huge | 1:39:14 | 1:39:20 | |
downer on your enthusiasm to go
and train, to race. | 1:39:20 | 1:39:26 | |
I've seen people come
into the sport and leave just | 1:39:26 | 1:39:29 | |
because they thought,
there's no point, there's no point | 1:39:29 | 1:39:31 | |
in competing because you have people
that are physically better | 1:39:31 | 1:39:37 | |
and are going to be physically
better and I don't know, | 1:39:37 | 1:39:43 | |
I had to have a really serious
conversation with my coach | 1:39:43 | 1:39:45 | |
and family about whether it was
going to be just a hobby for me | 1:39:45 | 1:39:50 | |
and nothing else because it was
so hard to be in that environment | 1:39:50 | 1:39:54 | |
and know that these people
were better than you and you | 1:39:54 | 1:40:00 | |
couldn't do anything about it. | 1:40:00 | 1:40:02 | |
Richard, how do you react
to what James has just told us? | 1:40:02 | 1:40:06 | |
Good morning, Victoria. | 1:40:06 | 1:40:09 | |
I totally disagree
with the comment before. | 1:40:09 | 1:40:16 | |
I'm an athlete that's on the ground,
I've been involved in the movement, | 1:40:16 | 1:40:21 | |
the Paralympic movement all my life,
really, but on the track since 2010. | 1:40:21 | 1:40:26 | |
And for me, it's governed... | 1:40:26 | 1:40:34 | |
BREAK IN SOUND | 1:40:34 | 1:40:38 | |
And this morning,
around widespread cheating, | 1:40:38 | 1:40:42 | |
I've not seen that... | 1:40:42 | 1:40:45 | |
You've never seen a fellow
competitor pretending to be | 1:40:45 | 1:40:47 | |
less disabled in order
to gain an advantage? | 1:40:47 | 1:40:51 | |
Why would you do that? | 1:40:51 | 1:40:53 | |
In order to gain
a competitive advantage? | 1:40:53 | 1:40:59 | |
Obviously not impossible that
people want to cheat. | 1:40:59 | 1:41:01 | |
It's possible. | 1:41:01 | 1:41:06 | |
Then there's governance
in place to stop that, | 1:41:06 | 1:41:08 | |
these are professional people,
professional doctors, | 1:41:08 | 1:41:09 | |
professional classifiers that
are independent of British athletics | 1:41:09 | 1:41:16 | |
and they sit the athletes down,
they classify the athletes and put | 1:41:16 | 1:41:19 | |
them into a category
for which they will compete. | 1:41:19 | 1:41:26 | |
There is a range of impairments
in the classification so there's | 1:41:26 | 1:41:30 | |
athletes at the top,
the middle and the bottom of that | 1:41:30 | 1:41:32 | |
class because we all can't be
the same, in my class we all can't | 1:41:32 | 1:41:36 | |
be the same and it's
about on the day, the best athlete | 1:41:36 | 1:41:42 | |
winning, the athlete that trains
the hardest, the athlete that wants | 1:41:42 | 1:41:46 | |
it the most and some of these
accusations actually do astound me. | 1:41:46 | 1:41:50 | |
I say, I am a double
Paralympic gold medallist, | 1:41:50 | 1:41:55 | |
four times world champion,
I've been team captain twice | 1:41:55 | 1:41:59 | |
and I want to be part of a team that
has core values that reflect | 1:41:59 | 1:42:02 | |
who we are as a team
and the athletes, I'm sure, | 1:42:02 | 1:42:09 | |
want the same as me. | 1:42:09 | 1:42:14 | |
So we want to have clarity around
this and clarity around | 1:42:14 | 1:42:16 | |
the governance of the sport
so the IPC have questions to answer. | 1:42:16 | 1:42:22 | |
James, do you not trust
the governance of the sport, | 1:42:22 | 1:42:24 | |
do you not trust the officials
Richard just listed who look | 1:42:24 | 1:42:28 | |
at the medical information,
who talk to the particular athlete | 1:42:28 | 1:42:30 | |
concerned and their trainers,
physios and so on? | 1:42:30 | 1:42:36 | |
It's not that I don't trust them,
I think more needs to go into it. | 1:42:36 | 1:42:41 | |
I think we need more than just one
classifier to look at you. | 1:42:41 | 1:42:44 | |
I completely agree with Richard. | 1:42:44 | 1:42:46 | |
It's all about who trains
the hardest and the category system | 1:42:46 | 1:42:49 | |
is in place and I agree with that. | 1:42:49 | 1:42:55 | |
Mine is a little
harder to distinguish. | 1:42:55 | 1:42:59 | |
I am a T33, and the next
category is T34. | 1:42:59 | 1:43:05 | |
Both CP which is what I have... | 1:43:05 | 1:43:07 | |
Cerebral palsy. | 1:43:07 | 1:43:08 | |
Cerebral palsy, yes. | 1:43:08 | 1:43:11 | |
And one of them is more severe,
one of them less severe. | 1:43:11 | 1:43:13 | |
T33, what I am, I cannot get out
of my chair, cannot walk at all. | 1:43:13 | 1:43:17 | |
T34, they are able to walk or have
some range of walking ability | 1:43:17 | 1:43:24 | |
so there's a little bit of a fine
line of which I can understand | 1:43:24 | 1:43:30 | |
is why people get classified wrong
because it is a little bit of a fine | 1:43:30 | 1:43:34 | |
line with that, but I agree
with Richard that it is down | 1:43:34 | 1:43:37 | |
to who trains the hardest
and there are some cases of, | 1:43:37 | 1:43:40 | |
you know, some people,
you might say, again, | 1:43:40 | 1:43:47 | |
I'm not trying to complain,
I think the values that | 1:43:47 | 1:43:50 | |
the Paralympics are and they... | 1:43:50 | 1:43:56 | |
My argument is if you are
going to beat me I don't | 1:43:56 | 1:43:59 | |
mind you beating me,
but I'd like to be | 1:43:59 | 1:44:01 | |
on a level playing field. | 1:44:01 | 1:44:02 | |
Richard, I want to put you a couple
of things that a BBC File on Four | 1:44:02 | 1:44:06 | |
investigation uncovered
and that was for example | 1:44:06 | 1:44:09 | |
claims of tactics such
as the taping of arms, | 1:44:09 | 1:44:14 | |
taking cold showers to enhance
muscle strength and in one case, | 1:44:14 | 1:44:20 | |
surgery to shorten the limb in order
to cheat the system. | 1:44:20 | 1:44:26 | |
Obviously that's... | 1:44:26 | 1:44:28 | |
I've not seen,
especially the last one. | 1:44:28 | 1:44:32 | |
These are like I say allegations
that have been brought, | 1:44:32 | 1:44:38 | |
I've not seen that, what I see
is people with impairments | 1:44:38 | 1:44:41 | |
and disabilities competing,
like you say, on a level playing | 1:44:41 | 1:44:48 | |
field and trying to empower
and inspire a generation | 1:44:48 | 1:44:50 | |
around disability sport. | 1:44:50 | 1:44:57 | |
But for me, the Paralympics,
especially since 2012 has moved | 1:44:57 | 1:45:00 | |
forwards in 99% of the areas that it
wanted to understand, | 1:45:00 | 1:45:04 | |
areas that need to improve. | 1:45:04 | 1:45:09 | |
Classification is something that
does evolve all the time | 1:45:09 | 1:45:12 | |
but like I say, the governance
of the sport, the IPC is in charge, | 1:45:12 | 1:45:15 | |
in control of that environment
and in charge of the classification. | 1:45:15 | 1:45:22 | |
And they have to be held to account
for any of those athletes that | 1:45:22 | 1:45:25 | |
are in wrong classes or maybe
in wrong classes or other athletes | 1:45:25 | 1:45:29 | |
feel aren't and that's not
for an individual athlete or parents | 1:45:29 | 1:45:32 | |
to throw accusations
around regarding that. | 1:45:32 | 1:45:41 | |
I think obviously this
has been highlighted | 1:45:41 | 1:45:43 | |
by a parent and an athlete
that actually retired. | 1:45:43 | 1:45:50 | |
For me, there may be
some issues around that | 1:45:50 | 1:45:54 | |
and it's not in the interest
of the sport moving forward. | 1:45:54 | 1:45:59 | |
To take those allegations seriously. | 1:45:59 | 1:46:07 | |
I think the IPC are an organisation
that everybody has maybe mall issues | 1:46:07 | 1:46:14 | |
with because that's the governance
of the sport. | 1:46:14 | 1:46:18 | |
I personally feel that it's
going in the right way | 1:46:18 | 1:46:28 | |
but we still obviously,
there are areas need to improve. | 1:46:28 | 1:46:31 | |
There are going to be
new classifications, it is evolving, | 1:46:31 | 1:46:33 | |
is that fine with you or do
you worry about that? | 1:46:33 | 1:46:36 | |
No, I put a statement on my Twitter
handle regarding my feelings | 1:46:36 | 1:46:40 | |
on the new classification,
classes for the forthcoming season, | 1:46:40 | 1:46:45 | |
2018 all the way up to Tokyo
and the classification system | 1:46:45 | 1:46:54 | |
is getting to a stage
where they're trying to put | 1:46:54 | 1:46:59 | |
like-for-like athletes on the track
so for myself, who is a double leg | 1:46:59 | 1:47:06 | |
amputee and I was in the T42 class,
they are wanting me to race T42 | 1:47:06 | 1:47:10 | |
athletes with exactly the same
impairment and through my class | 1:47:10 | 1:47:12 | |
I race against single leg,
above the knee amputees, | 1:47:12 | 1:47:16 | |
I am a double leg above the knee
amputee and I also race athletes | 1:47:16 | 1:47:19 | |
with all four limbs and it's
about functional ability too. | 1:47:19 | 1:47:24 | |
For me, it's about being the best
athlete and having lots of athletes | 1:47:24 | 1:47:30 | |
to race against and the first person
across the line being the athlete | 1:47:30 | 1:47:36 | |
that's trained the hardest and
worked the hardest for that medal. | 1:47:36 | 1:47:39 | |
But it's not all about those
gold medals as well. | 1:47:39 | 1:47:41 | |
So I have big issues around
the new classification system, | 1:47:41 | 1:47:44 | |
around that we will have less
athletes, less interest | 1:47:44 | 1:47:54 | |
in the sport and it needs to be
looked at but again, | 1:47:54 | 1:47:56 | |
that's for the IPC,
the likes of myself, | 1:47:56 | 1:47:59 | |
a high-level world professional
athlete to take it up with the IPC | 1:47:59 | 1:48:02 | |
and challenge those decisions. | 1:48:02 | 1:48:05 | |
Richard and James. | 1:48:05 | 1:48:08 | |
Women fleeing domestic abuse have
told this programme they're | 1:48:08 | 1:48:11 | |
being left homeless,
because councils are failing | 1:48:11 | 1:48:12 | |
to provide them with suitable
temporary accommodation. | 1:48:12 | 1:48:14 | |
It means in some cases women
are having to move time and time | 1:48:14 | 1:48:17 | |
again when councils can't
find appropriate homes. | 1:48:17 | 1:48:19 | |
Lucy Martindale escaped domestic
violence four years ago. | 1:48:19 | 1:48:22 | |
She moved seven times
before finding a home. | 1:48:22 | 1:48:26 | |
She has been to meet other women
in her situation for this programme. | 1:48:26 | 1:48:29 | |
We bought you her
full report earlier, | 1:48:29 | 1:48:30 | |
here's a short extract. | 1:48:30 | 1:48:34 | |
I reported domestic violence
as I was in fear for my life. | 1:48:34 | 1:48:39 | |
I lived in a two bedroomed flat
with a secure tenancy. | 1:48:39 | 1:48:42 | |
The council moved me out of Lambeth
to be away from my abuser. | 1:48:42 | 1:48:46 | |
So now I'm here - my seventh home
in less than four years. | 1:48:46 | 1:48:55 | |
My experience has been traumatic
so it made me want to find out | 1:48:55 | 1:48:58 | |
what's happened to other women
in my position. | 1:48:58 | 1:49:00 | |
How are you? | 1:49:00 | 1:49:01 | |
Fine, thank you.
Come in. | 1:49:01 | 1:49:04 | |
Kay fled a violent relationship
at the end of last year. | 1:49:04 | 1:49:06 | |
He woke up this morning. | 1:49:06 | 1:49:08 | |
It was the first time in their bed
and he just said, "Mum, | 1:49:08 | 1:49:11 | |
it was just so comfortable". | 1:49:11 | 1:49:12 | |
When I went to meet her,
she had just moved in to temporary | 1:49:12 | 1:49:15 | |
accommodation with her two children. | 1:49:15 | 1:49:18 | |
So, how did you arrange your housing
on a day-to-day basis? | 1:49:18 | 1:49:28 | |
It was very difficult indeed
emotionally because you're basically | 1:49:28 | 1:49:31 | |
begging and every day not knowing
where you're going to be sleeping. | 1:49:31 | 1:49:34 | |
At the same time, trying to put
on a happy face and to be | 1:49:34 | 1:49:38 | |
supportive for the children,
telling them that it's going to be | 1:49:38 | 1:49:40 | |
all right when deep inside,
you really don't think it's | 1:49:40 | 1:49:42 | |
going to be. | 1:49:42 | 1:49:45 | |
You don't know what you're
going to be doing, where you're | 1:49:45 | 1:49:48 | |
going to be staying. | 1:49:48 | 1:49:51 | |
Sheryl fled her home in Croydon
in January this year | 1:49:53 | 1:49:57 | |
and was immediately placed
in a refuge. | 1:49:57 | 1:50:03 | |
She has been evicted
today because after eight | 1:50:03 | 1:50:05 | |
months her time is up. | 1:50:05 | 1:50:08 | |
How did it make you feel having
to be evicted from the refuge? | 1:50:08 | 1:50:11 | |
Worried because I didn't know
where I was going that night. | 1:50:11 | 1:50:19 | |
I mean they give you four weeks
notice and you expect to leave | 1:50:19 | 1:50:22 | |
at the end of four weeks knowing
where you're going. | 1:50:22 | 1:50:24 | |
I think there should be more places
for women with domestic violence | 1:50:24 | 1:50:27 | |
to go to because the amount
of numbers they give | 1:50:27 | 1:50:30 | |
you and all the phone calls
you make, let's be honest, | 1:50:30 | 1:50:36 | |
half of them don't even do
anything for you. | 1:50:36 | 1:50:40 | |
They are already people
who are feeling traumatised. | 1:50:40 | 1:50:46 | |
To move then from home to home,
to move from school to school, | 1:50:46 | 1:50:50 | |
to move from temporary accommodation
to temporary accommodation | 1:50:50 | 1:50:51 | |
with insecurity around your income
just adds to the lengthening amount | 1:50:51 | 1:50:54 | |
of amount of trauma that
somebody experiences. | 1:50:54 | 1:50:57 | |
I wanted to know if councils
have a duty to house | 1:50:57 | 1:51:00 | |
all women who have left
a violent relationship? | 1:51:00 | 1:51:04 | |
So, I went to speak to Jane
Pritchard who is a housing lawyer. | 1:51:04 | 1:51:08 | |
It's a really common situation
that we come across. | 1:51:08 | 1:51:15 | |
Clients coming to see us seeking
advice because they've gone to one | 1:51:15 | 1:51:18 | |
council and been told it's
not their responsibility and to go | 1:51:18 | 1:51:23 | |
and to go to another council. | 1:51:23 | 1:51:25 | |
It's really, really
important to understand | 1:51:25 | 1:51:28 | |
that this type of behaviour
that we call gate-keeping as house | 1:51:28 | 1:51:31 | |
lawyers is unlawful. | 1:51:31 | 1:51:32 | |
Your connection with that
borough has nothing to do | 1:51:32 | 1:51:36 | |
with their immediate duty to one,
accept a homeless person's | 1:51:36 | 1:51:39 | |
application from you and two,
to provide you with emergency | 1:51:39 | 1:51:42 | |
temporary accommodation. | 1:51:42 | 1:51:44 | |
We can speak now to Lucy Martindale. | 1:51:46 | 1:51:49 | |
She made the film for us
as a survivor of domestic | 1:51:49 | 1:51:52 | |
domestic violence herself. | 1:51:52 | 1:51:53 | |
Sandra Johnson, who had
a difficult time trying | 1:51:53 | 1:51:58 | |
to find a house in London
when she fled her ex-partner. | 1:51:58 | 1:52:00 | |
Jessica McGawley is from
the Cassandra Learning Centre, | 1:52:00 | 1:52:03 | |
a charity which helps
women find accommodation. | 1:52:03 | 1:52:09 | |
Sandra what happened to you? I
attended a London borough after | 1:52:09 | 1:52:15 | |
fleeing domestic violence after ten
years and I was told I needed a | 1:52:15 | 1:52:18 | |
local connection to the borough
despite obviously clearly showing | 1:52:18 | 1:52:22 | |
distress about how I was feeling. I
was placed in a bed and breakfast | 1:52:22 | 1:52:27 | |
more about five months and I
understand that due to having a | 1:52:27 | 1:52:32 | |
local connection you need to have
been in London for six months so as | 1:52:32 | 1:52:35 | |
a result of that, I was moved out to
another London borough and because | 1:52:35 | 1:52:40 | |
of that, and that temporary
accommodation was cancelled by a | 1:52:40 | 1:52:44 | |
post-it note. So then I attended
that London borough because that was | 1:52:44 | 1:52:50 | |
the borough I worked in.
Unfortunately that borough again | 1:52:50 | 1:52:53 | |
failed to accept me because they
were under the understanding that I | 1:52:53 | 1:52:57 | |
initially went to the first borough
so therefore, that borough should | 1:52:57 | 1:53:02 | |
re-house me under domestic violence.
So, it was a long, long ongoing | 1:53:02 | 1:53:09 | |
legal battle and eventually I won
and I was placed in temporary | 1:53:09 | 1:53:13 | |
accommodation, but then my temporary
accommodation was for a year and six | 1:53:13 | 1:53:19 | |
months until I was placed into
permanent accommodation in the | 1:53:19 | 1:53:22 | |
borough. You have had a similar
experience. You were moved seven | 1:53:22 | 1:53:25 | |
times as you explained in the film.
You know there is a housing | 1:53:25 | 1:53:29 | |
shortage. Clearly. When you're
fleeing a violent partner, you are a | 1:53:29 | 1:53:35 | |
vulnerable person and you may have
children as well. So in terms of | 1:53:35 | 1:53:38 | |
criteria, you would come high up the
list, but there is a housing | 1:53:38 | 1:53:41 | |
shortage. So temporary accommodation
might be the only thing a council | 1:53:41 | 1:53:44 | |
has. I understand that. But then
they have to take into account the | 1:53:44 | 1:53:50 | |
people with children, they have to
attend school and the impact it has | 1:53:50 | 1:53:55 | |
psychologically on a child to be
moved around so many times. Like my | 1:53:55 | 1:54:00 | |
children had to attend three
different schools so I just think | 1:54:00 | 1:54:02 | |
that... And that has an impact on
them clearly... Big time. They need | 1:54:02 | 1:54:07 | |
to be more aware of, it's not just
the housing, it leads to other | 1:54:07 | 1:54:11 | |
problems such as not being able to
go back to work. Your children's | 1:54:11 | 1:54:15 | |
school. Again, you know, I have
sympathy for your cases, but let me | 1:54:15 | 1:54:21 | |
put say this - if there is no where
for you to go in the borough, is it | 1:54:21 | 1:54:27 | |
not better to be in a different
borough with a roof over your head? | 1:54:27 | 1:54:31 | |
I don't see why you should have to
leave where you have grown-up, you | 1:54:31 | 1:54:36 | |
have support, family, friends, it's
almost like you are the person that | 1:54:36 | 1:54:39 | |
has committed the crime and not the
victim. In my case, I believe the | 1:54:39 | 1:54:43 | |
person should have been arrested and
sent to prison and I could have | 1:54:43 | 1:54:47 | |
remained safely in my home. But I
couldn't. Yes. Jessica, let me bring | 1:54:47 | 1:54:53 | |
you in as a psychologist as well as
working for the charity, what about | 1:54:53 | 1:54:56 | |
the effect of constantly moving.
People who are already vulnerable | 1:54:56 | 1:55:00 | |
and potentially traumatised because
of what they have experienced this | 1:55:00 | 1:55:03 | |
their family home? Well, you have
safety and psychological needs are | 1:55:03 | 1:55:12 | |
the basis of these. These are not
luxuries, security of environment, | 1:55:12 | 1:55:16 | |
of mind and body, knowing you have
somewhere to rest your head and | 1:55:16 | 1:55:19 | |
sleep at night. If you have been a
victim of domestic violence and your | 1:55:19 | 1:55:23 | |
child has too, leaving that unstable
environment to go to another one in | 1:55:23 | 1:55:28 | |
temporary housing is to some degree
just as bad. Now, you are most | 1:55:28 | 1:55:32 | |
likely left that environment so you
can rebuild your life. You can't | 1:55:32 | 1:55:35 | |
rebuild your life if you're
constantly on the move. You don't | 1:55:35 | 1:55:37 | |
know where you're going to be
resting. And the effects of this | 1:55:37 | 1:55:42 | |
psychologically on children are
anxiety, depression, PDSD, anger, | 1:55:42 | 1:55:49 | |
but high levels of adrenalin.
Constantly in a state of flight. So | 1:55:49 | 1:55:52 | |
you're and that's not con deuce cif
to develop your education. Sorry, | 1:55:52 | 1:55:57 | |
Lucy. Go on. Some of these children
already have issues such as autism, | 1:55:57 | 1:56:04 | |
or ADHD and it makes, my older son
does have ADHD which then had a much | 1:56:04 | 1:56:10 | |
worse impact on him and I've begged
for him help. I have had to make | 1:56:10 | 1:56:18 | |
sure my children are OK, but there
is many women that don't have the | 1:56:18 | 1:56:22 | |
strength that I do and their
children end up being taken into | 1:56:22 | 1:56:25 | |
care due to being a victim. So the
Government definitely need to do | 1:56:25 | 1:56:30 | |
something to help women in our
situation. This is what the | 1:56:30 | 1:56:33 | |
Government says. They say they have
secured £40 million worth of | 1:56:33 | 1:56:43 | |
dedicated funding for domestic abuse
services over four years up to 2020 | 1:56:43 | 1:56:47 | |
which they say will create 2200 bed
spaces and give support to 19,000 | 1:56:47 | 1:56:54 | |
victims. Is that evidence that they
are tackling the problem? Hopefully | 1:56:54 | 1:56:59 | |
they are. That's something we need
to work on is how can we access | 1:56:59 | 1:57:07 | |
that. Do you think that's enough? I
mean it's a start, but many times we | 1:57:07 | 1:57:11 | |
have heard things are going to be
done and it's hard to see the help | 1:57:11 | 1:57:15 | |
that they are saying is offered
because not just in my case, but | 1:57:15 | 1:57:19 | |
many other women. I wasn't aware of
how widespread this issue was until | 1:57:19 | 1:57:26 | |
I made the programme and since then
a lot of women have come forward | 1:57:26 | 1:57:29 | |
with their story. So it is a big
problem that needs to be | 1:57:29 | 1:57:34 | |
acknowledged. You are in dispute
with your council because they have | 1:57:34 | 1:57:36 | |
housed you ten miles from your
children's school. As a result of | 1:57:36 | 1:57:41 | |
that, I'm now in a legal dispute
with that council due to that | 1:57:41 | 1:57:46 | |
reason, but I'm going to keep on
fighting. And your situation, | 1:57:46 | 1:57:50 | |
Sandra? I am placed in permanent
accommodation, but also trying to | 1:57:50 | 1:57:55 | |
give back to the community and
raising awareness around domestic | 1:57:55 | 1:57:59 | |
violence and also the impact of
domestic violence on mental health. | 1:57:59 | 1:58:03 | |
OK, are you all right? I'm fine.
That's really, really good to hear. | 1:58:03 | 1:58:09 | |
Thank you very much, Sandra. Sand
drarks Lucy, and Jessica, thank you | 1:58:09 | 1:58:14 | |
very much. | 1:58:14 | 1:58:17 | |
On this programme tomorrow,
we'll be joined by an audience | 1:58:18 | 1:58:20 | |
of women, and some men,
who have been sexually harassed | 1:58:20 | 1:58:23 | |
in all walks of life,
in the NHS, in schools, | 1:58:23 | 1:58:25 | |
in banks, as well as
politicians and actors. | 1:58:25 | 1:58:29 | |
Join | 1:58:29 | 1:58:30 |