12/12/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

Our top story - about half a million

children and young people -

some as young as 11 -

gamble every week,

a Gambling Commission

report claims today.

Everywhere people are talking about

how much money they have lost on

gambling sites.

He ended up losing

about 1200 of it.

I know someone

aged ten and who has lost about

£2000.

The report highlights what's known

as "skins gambling" -

which lets players gamble

with virtual items like currency

and then swap them for money.

We'll explain what

it is before 10am.

Also on the programme,

an insight into life of a male sex

workers in Britain -

the unheard voices

of the sex industry.

I see mainly single men, a large

proportion of them are gay and out.

But also a lot of them are married.

And - the former wife of serial

killer Levi Bellfield tells this

programme she lives with the guilt

that she didn't report him

to the police sooner.

Hello.

Welcome to the programme,

between now and 11am we'll bring

you the latest news,

sport and interviews

and - should women be

paid to breastfeed?

We would very much like to hear

from mums AND dads on this.

A trial involving 10,000 new mums

suggests if they are given shopping

vouchers then breastfeeding rates go

up - only by 6% but

they go up nonetheless.

And Britain has one of the lowest

rates in Europe. If you are a parent

would do you think?

Our top story today -

four people are being questioned

on suspicion of murder,

after three children died

in a house fire in Salford,

early yesterday morning.

Their mother and another three

year-old child remain in a serious

condition in hospital.

Our correspondent Dave Guest

is at the scene in Worsley.

What is the latest?

The latest is those arrests

overnight, it was 5am yesterday the

fire broke out on this street in

greater Manchester when firefighters

arrived they found a mid-terraced

house midway down the street well

ablaze. Two 16-year-old boys had

escaped but a mother and her four

children were trapped inside. They

were rescued but a 14-year-old girl

was pronounced dead at the scene, a

seven-year-old girl and an aged old

boy, brother and sister, were

pronounced dead in hospital. Still

in hospital is the mother, Michelle,

as his her three-year-old girl.

Overnight we saw the arrests after

the police announced this was not

just a tragic accident but a murder

investigation. Four people, three

men and a woman arrested on

suspicion of murder and a man

arrested on suspicion of assisting

an offender. This is a tragedy which

has affected the whole community.

Flowers started arriving and last

night a church opened its doors so

people could go and light a candle

and say a prayer for those who have

lost their lives. And the mother and

daughter who are still fighting for

their lives in hospital.

Ben is in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of the rest

of the days news.

Temperatures of minus 13 celsius

have been recorded in Shropshire

on what was the coldest night

of the year so far.

Hundreds of schools have been closed

across England and Wales,

and motorists are being warned

to take care in hazardous

driving conditions.

Tom Burridge has the latest.

Freezing ice on the roads is

expected to be a problem in much of

the country. As temperatures drop to

record lows. In parts of Wales

temperatures dropped to around minus

ten. The village in Shropshire was

the coldest, are perishing minus 13.

At Kew Gardens it was -3.7. So with

lots of snow still around from

yesterday and the weekend, it will

be hard going as roads turned icy

this morning. It looks stunning from

up here but there are weather

warnings for snow and ice in Eastern

Scotland and Eastern England and the

ice in Northern Ireland, Wales, the

Midlands, and the South and

south-east of England. But fun for

some as hundreds of schools closed

again.

The US ambassador to Britain says

he expects Donald Trump to visit

the UK in the new year

despite his recent Twitter

row with Theresa May.

Woody Johnson told BBC Radio

4's Today programme

that the disagreement

was "probably misinterpreted".

Mrs May had said Mr Trump

was "wrong" to share videos posted

by the far-right group

Britain First, prompting an online

backlash from the US President.

A radical change to the rules around

organ donation in England is being

unveiled today as ministers launch a

consultation on moving to a system

of presumed consent. The reform

would mean opting out of being a

donor rather than the current scheme

of opting in, Wales has already

taken the approach and the Scottish

Government plan to deduce a similar

scheme. Dominic Hughes reports.

Offering a stranger the gift

of life is what lies

at the heart of organ donation.

These are the names of those who've

helped some of the 6,500 people

who need a transplant each year,

but around 450 will die before

a donor can be found.

The family of Adrian Williams

were happy to support

his decision to donate.

When you lose someone,

and they've given that gift,

that huge gift, you're immensely

proud of them and it fills

you with comfort that other families

are actually enjoying the lives

of their loved ones,

where they may not have done,

because of something that our Ade

has done for them.

The past decade has seen a big surge

in donors across the UK.

In 2007, there were around

790 deceased donors.

That's now risen to more than 1400.

The number of registered donors has

gone up from 14 million

to more than 23 million.

But ministers are concerned

that four out of ten

families say no to donation,

so are proposing a system

where it's assumed we are all

willing to be donors.

The issue of presumed consent is one

thing we are looking at.

What we need is much better

communication inside families

so that people know what family

members actually want.

There are some concerns

that moving to a system

where there is an assumption

we are willing to donate

could be counter-productive,

undoing the good work of recent

years by raising fears over

the government having

a claim on our organs.

The industry regulator for gambling

is warning that children as young as

11 are using a so-called skin

betting websites which let players

gamble with virtual items as

currency. Once those items are won

online, using modified guns or

knives within a video game which is

known as a skin, they can be sold

and turned back to real money. It's

part of a wider report for the

gambling commission which says

around half a million children and

young people gamble every week.

Clive Lewis has been cleared by the

party of sexual harassment, he was

put under investigation last month,

he was investigated after claims he

groped her in the Labour conference

in Brighton. Mr Lewis denied the

accusation and said he was pleased

to put it behind him.

Research seen by this programme

suggests that 12% of male sex

workers have been sexually

assaulted and that over 70%

would be unlikely to report

crimes to the police.

It's estimated there

are as many as 100,000 sex

workers across the UK -

20% of which are thought to be men.

Later in the programme, we'll hear

from four male sex workers

about their experiences.

Offering new mothers cash incentives

could significantly increase

breastfeeding rates according

to a new study.

More than 10,000 new mums

were offered shopping vouchers worth

up to £120 if babies received breast

milk at two days, 10

days and six weeks old.

A further £80 of vouchers

was available if they continued

to receive breast milk up

to six months.

Adina Campbell reports.

Breast-feeding the newest member

of the Sutcliffe family is a lot

easier a second time around but,

after Fiona's first daughter

was born, she was spurred

on by shopping vouchers

during the toughest moments.

It really encouraged me to keep

going, especially when the night

was quite difficult and I thought

about giving up breast-feeding

but that was another

incentive to keep going,

and especially given it's so easy

to sort of claim the vouchers.

Fiona was one of more

than 10,000 mums who took part

in a study over 18 months.

They were offered up to £200

in shopping vouchers at five

different stages of breast-feeding.

£40 at two days old and the same

amount at ten days, six weeks,

three months and six months.

Before getting the vouchers,

claim forms were signed off

by midwives or health

visitors during visits.

Overall, the breast-feeding

rates went up by 6%,

which researchers believe

is a big difference.

We do know that biologically

and physiologically,

we are designed to breast-feed.

We know that 99% of women, given

the right support, can breast-feed.

There are plenty of benefits

to breast-feeding but these mums

in Sheffield have mixed views

about being paid to do it.

I don't think, you know,

it should really be monetary.

And I think some people might get

persuaded just because of the money.

If you can't do it, it's fine, too.

But, yeah, having an incentive wiill

definitely help and just get

the message out there.

The UK has some of the lowest

breast-feeding rates in the world.

Researchers say vouchers are a small

price to pay with long-term benefits

to babies and the NHS.

Adina Campbell, BBC News.

On Twitter, I am tired of best is

breast, with the same logic women

who give birth naturally should be

given vouchers compare to those who

get a C section as it is lest

costly. Another says that many women

would like to breast-feed but

cannot, does the pressure not add to

their already unrealistic guilt?

Another says I'd breast-fed all of

my children for over a year, there

was no need to offer payment, please

do not waste any more of the state's

money. We would like to talk to you

especially if you have just had a

baby and can spare us on it. We'll

be talking to some mothers later on.

Let's get the sport.

England's cricketers preparing for a

game they cannot lose.

They cannot, they are 2-0 down in

the Ashes and are in Perth ahead of

the third test, lots of criticism

not just further performances, they

have lost in both games, some

problems off the field as well, a

lot of headlines being made, Jonny

Bairstow earlier in the tour, in

Perth in a bar with a rather curious

head-butt greeting for Cameron

Bancroft of Australia and last week,

Ben Duckett in the same bar, one of

the England Lions joining the main

squad, pouring his pint over the

head of Jimmy Anderson. They have

come in for an awful lot of flick.

Michael Vaughan the former England

captain says they are acting like

students and the next one to step

out of line should go home. You sort

Joe Root, the England captain,

Michael Vaughan says some of the

senior players should be held

accountable and need to get

everybody in line. Alastair Cook is

an elder statesman of the side and

he was asked about all of this field

controversy overnight.

I don't think

we are getting painted fairly in the

media because, on our culture,

clearly there has been a couple of

things, it sounds silly me saying

it, but the media have brought that

up. But the world has changed after

the September incidents so it's down

to us to adjust to that and we

cannot afford any more mistakes

because we understand the stakes,

the ECB and responses, trying to

make kids play cricket is what we

want to do ultimately.

Alastair Cook

will win his 150th cap in the third

test and he needs some runs to go

with it.

He does and you have been talking to

a former England cricket captain who

also got in trouble on the Ashes?

David Gower, his century in 1978 was

the last time England won at the

waca but in 1991 he infamously did

this with his fellow pilot player,

Secunda and a tiger moth and buzzing

the field. They were both fined

£1000 and David Gower never quite

played the same again. I spoke to

him recently and asked him about

England's issues.

If you go back

through the years, go back to my

era, players let offer not a lot of

steam on tour. If you are away for

three or four months nobody expects

you to be a monk and everyone is

expected to have a drink at some

stage and there was breaches of

discipline is way back when, some of

which were allowed to pass, some of

which were dealt with severely and

people got on with life. The key

thing as ever in these situations is

if you are producing the right

results on the pitch then people are

very forgiving. We had, I remember a

one-year against New Zealand, we

were found in a wine bar at 1am,

leaving at 1am, they had headlines

ready to go in the papers the next

day slamming us for being out of

order but we won the game so the

headline was Heck, heck, hurray.

It's estimated there

are as many as 100,000 sex

workers across the UK -

though some believe the true

figure to be far higher.

More often that not

when we talk about sex workers,

we focus on female prostitutes.

But around 20% of them are men

and their voices are very

rarely heard in debates

about decriminalisation and safety.

Research seen by this programme

suggests that 12% of male sex

workers have been sexually

assaulted and that over 70%

would be unlikely to report

crimes to the police.

We've spent time with four male sex

workers who talk candidly

about their own experience and why

they got into the profession.

Our reporter Mike Cowan's report

contains upsetting testimony

Our reporter Mike Cowan's report

contains upsetting testimony

and interviews that may not be

suitable for children.

Across Britain, there's up

to 100,000 sex workers.

Around 20% of them are men.

The most vulnerable say to survive,

they have no choice.

I started off with one or two people

a night, then more, more.

Others see it as a positive choice.

It would be a full service

for that, it would be 150.

For some, it's just extra income.

Sex work is something that I've used

to supplement my income

and also to use to allow me

to start my own business.

For others, drug-taking

is demanded of them by clients.

It basically involves getting high

and having sex together.

Often for extended periods of time.

These are their stories.

These are the men for sale.

We've gained rare access to four

male sex workers who spoke candidly

about their experiences.

To protect their identity, some

names and voices have been changed.

It's early afternoon

in East London and Daniel has just

finished his first appointment

of the day.

After dropping out of university,

he turned to sex work and has

been doing it full-time

for the last decade.

You were with one of your clients?

Yeah.

Is that a regular client?

No, it's a new client.

I moved here about six months ago.

I'm just building up my client

base at the moment.

I see mainly single men.

A large proportion of

them are gay and out.

But also, a lot of them are married.

What age brackets do

they tend to be in?

Generally, I would say

they fall between 35 and 80.

I had 85, that was

probably my oldest.

How much do you charge per hour?

I charge massage rates of 100,

but most of my customers have paid

150 for a single hour

and for successive hours,

they pay an extra 50.

For an overnight, they

would usually pay 250,

but maybe upwards if they wanted

to play for longer.

For that money, is that

whatever the client wants?

I have boundaries, which is usually

unsafe sex and drug-taking.

So, yeah, if they were wanting

any kind of dominance

or submission scenario,

then that would be within...

Within my rate.

If they want any kind of top

or bottom scenario, again,

that would be within the rate.

Experts estimate 80% of male sex

workers have an online presence.

And Daniel is no different.

He legally advertises his services

through apps and websites.

We spent the evening

with him, to see what his

busy periods are like.

They start at 6pm

and go on until 4am.

So, you've just got a message?

Yeah, someone asking if I do sensual

body to body massage

and what are my rates for that.

What did you send back?

I said my rate are

100 for an in-call.

So, they come and visit

me 100 and 150 out.

So they said, "Thank you".

So I think that means

probably my rates are too high.

So, if I've not worked

by 11pm or something,

I might consider a lower offer.

Daniel calls the customer

who's been messaging him.

Hello?

Are you OK?

So, you require one hour, yeah?

One hour sensual body-to-body?

Yeah.

Is that going to be at yours, or..?

It would be, like,

a full service for that.

It would be 150 full service

body-to-body massage would be 100.

OK?

OK, cheers, bye.

Yeah, he was looking for a bit

more than the massage.

So, perhaps we go to him later.

I don't know, depends

whether he is willing to pay

the extra £50 or whether that's

what he really wants.

It sex work legal?

The short answer is yes.

You can legally buy and sell sex.

Where it becomes illegal

is when someone is forced to sell

themselves against their will.

When someone works from a brothel

because brothels are illegal

or when someone solicits for sex

work on the streets.

Around 5% of male sex workers

operate on the street.

Manchester has the most male street

sex workers in the country.

It's centred underneath

the city's famed gay village.

Hayley Speed works for one of only

a handful of organisations across

the UK that supports these men.

When we speak to sex workers

about when they first got

involved with sex work,

the phrase we hear most commonly is,

"I started when I was 14, 15."

That's not sex work when you're 14,

15, that's exploitation.

But, themselves, wouldn't

use that language.

That's a really common theme,

that it started so, so young.

People tell you these things have

happened without any...

Without seeing it that seriously.

"Oh my God, I got raped

the other night".

Like, like, they got

wet from it raining.

The normalisation of, kind of,

quite extreme behaviours.

And they kind of, "Oh,

do you want to tell the police?"

"Well, no, it's just part of,

you know, it's just

part of the course".

Fergal McCullough, who runs

the charity along with Hayley,

took us down to the canalside hub

where male street

workers operate from.

Although we did meet some male

sex workers down here,

we couldn't film those interactions.

There may be people coming home

from work, wandering through,

seeing if they can need somebody to,

you know, hook up with.

That tends to happen down there.

So, people go down there and engage

in sex down that end.

Also, cross over there,

as you can see, there's mainline

drug injecting going on,

on that side of things.

So, it's quite a busy area, really.

On the scale of sex work, these

are some of the most vulnerable men?

Yeah.

Guys down here would be that more...

That end, that more, you know,

potentially homeless.

A lot of them are care leavers.

If they are not street homeless,

they're sofa surfing.

They're certainly not working.

I wouldn't necessarily say

that the guys that you would meet

down here have made a rational

choice to be in this situation.

Back at base, we meet Tyler.

He fled his home town when his

family disowned him for being gay.

Knowing no-one in the city

and with no money,

he was forced onto the streets.

Within a week, he'd

turned to sex work.

The first time you engaged in that

and you did sex work,

what was that like?

Straight afterwards,

you feel disgusting,

obviously, but you've got

that money, there.

I started off with one

or two people a night.

Then more.

Then more.

And you get to a point

where you just shut down.

Can I ask how much you were earning?

On the streets?

Zilch.

50 quid.

Sometimes nothing.

Sometimes they'd take it back

and lock you in a car.

So a punter would lock you in a car?

And wouldn't let you out

until you gave him the money...

Money back.

You say you moved away

from street work?

I started to go online.

Online it's better money.

A lot better money.

Research seen exclusively by this

programme found over 12% of male sex

workers they spoke to had been

sexually assaulted in

the last five years.

The same study found 70% of male

respondents were unlikely to report

crimes to the police.

You were raped by a client?

I got a job, I got called to go

to a job in a hotel.

I'd been there an hour

or two, having a drink.

When I went, there was one person.

And I woke up...

No clothes on, on the bed,

sprawled out, with, like,

four men naked around me.

And they'd drugged you?

Mm-hmm.

They spiked my drink,

so I passed out and within 20

minutes you're gone for hours.

So when you woke up and there

are four men around you...

Masterbating and everything, yeah.

What was going through your head?

"Um, what to do?

Do I get up and leave?

Or if I try to leave,

what will they do?"

I was just so scared, really.

I was trying to figure out,

were they here before I passed out?

I just had to get out of there.

I had to leave.

They didn't care.

They really didn't care.

They just, literally,

let me leave, normally.

Not even worried about if I was

going to say anything.

They just literally didn't care.

When something like that happened,

and you've been doing sex work,

some sex workers are reticent

or afraid to go to the police.

We went there, you

know, not knowing...

You would never go there if you knew

what was going to happen.

But you are afraid that people

are going to be, like, "Well,

you're a sex worker,

it's your own fault".

I was just afraid.

Sorry...

Do you know what really

gets me, though?

Is the fact that because I'm a guy,

they think it's not as bad

as a woman being raped,

but it's exactly the same.

Tyler says he had no choice

but to go into sex work.

But many others elect to do it.

It's thought 5% of Britain's

students have engaged

in some form of sex work.

Like Tom, who started

while studying.

And now works in design by day.

And by night as a sex worker.

How difficult is it to straddle

those two professions?

To have those two

lives, if you like?

I don't think it's difficult,

if you set clear boundaries.

My career, as I see it,

my job during the day, you know,

sex work is something which I have

used to supplement my income.

It was very useful

for me, as a student.

I could make good money.

My hours are flexible.

I wasn't struggling.

So, you get to London,

you say you don't know anybody...

Yeah.

You've got no job.

Yeah.

How quickly were you able to set

yourself up within the industry?

Maybe within a month or so.

I could move to London

and I didn't have to work

in a bar for minimum wage.

You know, I think that a lot

of people might look at what I do,

you know, find it quite distasteful.

That's fine, that's

their prerogative.

But for me, the idea

of working for minimum wage,

you know, long hours,

it's just perverse.

So it works for me.

That's the biggest thing,

you know, that I try to get

across to people, it works for me.

Drugs and male sex work

are inextricably linked.

Due in large part to chemsex.

It's a growing trend

where drugs are used

to heighten sexual experience.

By default, it's become one

of the main services

sex workers now offer.

The drugs of choice

are the methamphetamine, crystal

meth and the psycho active GHB.

Toby has been a sex worker

for 18 months and now 50%

of his clients are for chemsex.

It's got that, sort of,

junkie look to it.

You said it looked quite junkie, do

you think of yourself as a junkie?

No, but when I show

someone who doesn't know

what it is or doesn't do it or even

sometimes when I look at it,

I see how dirty it is.

I think, "Yeah,

that's pretty nasty".

What is the chemsex scene?

It basically involves getting high

and having sex together.

Often for extended periods of time.

That would normally be the case.

That is possible because

of the drugs we take.

What sort of period

of time are we talking?

Sometimes people will get high

and it will be for a few hours.

You know, it won't be

a constant process.

Sort of, stop-start.

People will be getting high

in the middle of that.

But in other cases, it will last

for a weekend or several days.

So, before you did sex work,

18 months ago, what were you doing?

The stuff I was doing

was pretty minimum wage kind

of work, £9 an hour, you know.

I'd have to work a good 12-hour day

to make the same amount of money

I can make in an hour

doing this job.

Would you say you are addicted?

If I'm doing the sex work and I'm

in my apartment then, yes,

I am addicted in that environment.

But if I take myself out of that

environment, it's very easy

not to think about it.

The drugs used in chemsex are,

of course, illegal but sex work

itself is becoming

increasingly legitimate.

Back in 2015, the Government

launched a drive to get sex workers

to pay tax on their income.

But it can still be

a lonely business.

Research seen exclusively by this

programme found 20% of men

they spoke to felt isolated.

Do you have people who you consider

friends in your life?

Umm, I would say only

through my work, yeah,

because that's where I do most

of my socialising.

Yeah, I have a few clients

who become close friends.

Of all the men we spoke

to on and off camera,

when we asked what their families

thought about what they did,

the vast majority refused

to talk about it.

And out of the four we did speak to,

three of them would only

talk to us anonymously,

for fear of their

families finding out.

Thank you for your comments, Katie

says it's such an important story,

no exposure and hardly anywhere to

go for men forced into that life.

Anthony on Facebook, my personal

belief is that sex work should be

legalised and controlled that way it

reduces violence, STI, crime and

abuse. If somebody wants to sell

their body it is theirs to sell. And

James says the Manchester men's room

does fantastic work. He says he's

watching now Andy West and he wishes

he knew of them before.

More on this after 10am.

Also after 10am - we'll speak

to the ex-wife of serial

killer Levi Bellfield -

about why she feels guilt over

whether she could have reported him

to the police earlier.

And - a gambling commission report

due out in the net few minutes

is expected to show that about half

a million children and young

people gamble every week -

some as young as 11.

We'll bring you the details

as soon as it's released.

You might be able to hear children

and babies in the studio, that is

because we will be talking about

breast-feeding and if mothers should

be paid effectively, in vouchers, to

breast-feed.

Four people are

Our top story today -

four people are being questioned

on suspicion of murder,

after three children died

in a house fire in Salford,

early yesterday morning.

Their mother and another three

year-old child remain in a serious

condition in hospital.

police confirmed they had been in

contact with the family very

recently and had visited the house

in the hours before the blaze. The

case has been referred to the

Independent Police Complaints

Commission.

Temperatures of minus 13 celsius

have been recorded in Shropshire

on what was the coldest night

of the year so far.

The Met Office has extended yellow

warnings for snow and ice

until later this morning and the AA

has warned driving

could be "hazardous".

Hundreds of schools will stay closed

for a second successive day.

The US ambassador to Britain says

he expects Donald Trump to visit

the UK in the new year

despite his recent Twitter

row with Theresa May.

Woody Johnson told BBC Radio

4's Today programme

that the disagreement

was "probably misinterpreted".

Mrs May had said Mr Trump

was "wrong" to share videos posted

by the far-right group

Britain First, prompting an online

backlash from the US President.

the industry regulator for gambling

is warning that children as young as

11 are cults -- so-called skin

betting websites which lets people

gamble with items as if they work

currency. The items can then be sold

and turned back into real money. It

is part of a wider report for the

gambling commission. What were you

like when you were to end a half?

You were like that! Of course you

were! We will hear more from Edwards

in a moment after the sport.

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Thank you, so many comments about

breast-feeding. Shopping vouchers

would have made no difference to the

fact that I could not breast-feed.

We need to be more honest about how

hard it can be. Nobody tells you the

truth, you're just told it is the

most natural thing in the world and

then feel an immense failure when

you cannot do it. The suggestion

about shopping vouchers makes me

feel more frustrated with how out of

touch professionals are with the

tactics they need to employ. This

text says no, women should not be

paid to breast-feed as it will

further alienate those who cannot

manage to do so. After all they have

two paper bottles and formula,

sterilisers and so forth. Women who

breast-feed are originally

financially better off I'm not made

to feel guilty. I was lucky to be

able to feed my son my self and it's

not easy for many women and many

women do not choose to bottle feed

but cannot manage. Another says

absolute rubbish, I was made to feel

like a failure. Did see a mother be

given a reward for breast-feeding is

another kick in the teeth.

Let's get the latest inflation

figures which have just come out, it

has risen to its highest level in

almost six years. Ben Bland, what is

inflation?

The average prices we

play in the shops for all sorts of

things, the figure we have got today

shows us how much those prices

changed on average in November this

year compared with November last

year, it is a year on year change

and the figure is 3.1%. Higher than

a lot of economists predicted.

Previously it had been stable at 3%,

this means prices are increasing

more rapidly than they were the

month before. That is significant

because it means wages, the latest

data, they are increasing something

like 2.2%, so wages are not going up

as fast so people feel the cost of

living getting more expensive and

the Bank of England target is 2%, if

it is more than 1% above that the

Bank of England governor has to

write a Philip Hammond and say this

is a problem and this is how we are

tackling it.

And how might the Bank

of England tackle it?

The most

obvious way is to increase the base

interest rate. They did that at the

beginning of the November by the

slightest amount, .25% so it is now

at 0.5%. That stops the flow of

money into the economy and stops

people having so much more to spend

the push prices up. But if wages are

not going up that usual method, the

bank might be reluctant because if

people's wages don't go up they

don't want to make life harder by

putting mortgage prices up because

it could cause the economy to

stagnate. They are in a tricky

position. The expectation is that

still amongst a lot of economists,

that the bank will not move interest

rates any higher because it is

worried about this lag in wage

growth.

Thank you very much.

Should new mums be given

financial incentives

to breastfeed their babies?

A new study of 10,000 women found

that offering shopping vouchers

of up to £200 to new mothers led

to a significant

increase in the uptake.

Critics describe it as bribing

but breast-feeding rates

here in the UK are among the lowest

in the world - studies suggest less

than one percent of babies

here are still being breast-fed

after a year - compared

to 23% in Germany.

And in some parts

of the UK, only 12%

of six-to-eight-week-olds

are breast-fed.

What are you thinking about this, if

you have struggled, would this have

incentivised you more? Please let me

know your views.

Let's talk about that with mums -

Carmen Pagor and Holly Leppard -

and their babies Orla and Amadea.

And one of the people who benefited

from the voucher scheme Sarah Ardon,

with her son Edward,

who's now two and a half.

Edwards is over there at the moment

so I will wander over and hopefully

he will join us at some point.

Thank you all for coming in,

especially with your children,

really appreciate it. Let's get a

quick reaction from all of you on

what you think of this idea and then

Sarah we will ask you about your

specific experience. Good idea?

I

think so, it raises awareness about

the benefits. I think it's just an

extra incentive to try it. It's your

own personal choice, whether you

choose or bottle feed but I do think

it's an incentive.

Holly?

I think it

is appalling. I do not agree with

being paid to produce breastmilk,

many women cannot. I was one of

those people. I think that the money

would be better spent if it went

back into the actual services of

breast-feeding. So even, physical

support for mothers out in the

community, that seems to be a big

issue. And a reason why a lot of

women fail, I say fail, in brackets.

Tongue tying is another major issue,

if they started putting funding into

that it would be much more

worthwhile.

I am glad Edwards is

having a great time, let me ask you

what you think of this idea?

I have

mixed views, I agree there is no

point at all into giving money for a

shopping vouchers if there is no

support for women who want to

continue to breast-feed but I also

think it might make mothers feel

valued if they do get some

incentive. And at different points.

I like the way they have broken it

down and given I think some of the

vouchers were given as early as two

days so women who choose to, or can

produce breastmilk, we'll get some

incentive with the vouchers very

early. To me that kind of says that

all breastmilk is valuable, even if

it is just one feed, if you can. But

I do think it's completely pointless

if there is not the support.

Sarah,

what was your experience, benefiting

from these vouchers, where you

planning to breast-feed anyway?

I

was hoping to from the beginning.

So

these were a bonus?

Yeah, for me it

was an extra help. I chose the

vouchers for Morrisons because I

wanted to give Edwards better

breastmilk, buy healthier food,

vitamins, more traditional food.

And

what about the support which has

been raised, whether people to help

you?

I found I got quite a lot of

support from my midwife at the

start. I had a trainee midwife is

well supporting me. So at 1.I had

two midwives supporting me. I did

feel I had the support in place as

well as the vouchers.

Did Edward

latch on immediately, did you need

the midwife to help?

Yeah, yeah. At

1.I had an incidence where he was

underweight but I think they had

scrapped the guidelines but they

said he was underweight and wanted

me to formula feed which was not a

choice I had, I did not want to do

that. I did it for one night and I

said I don't want to do this, I want

to breast-feed. I thought maybe I

should express my milk so I had to

buy bottles and pumps and express. I

did have the support from both of

those to show how to latch properly

and how to express. I felt it was in

place.

I will bring in Louise and I

think is in Bristol, or that is her

surname, she is in Bristol or her

surname is Bristol.

I am in Bristol.

Thank you for joining us, your baby

was born in August, what do you

think of the financial incentive

scheme?

I have to agree with the

second two mothers, I release

troubled with breast-feeding.

INAUDIBLE

NHS breast is best etc but when it

came to it I did not have enough

supply and my baby lost too much

weight so we had to top up with

formula and I just felt like a

complete failure. For me, vouchers

is another thing those people that

are struggling with it, it's another

thing compounding the failure

surrounding breast-feeding if you

are unable to do it.

Let's talk

about this, it's such a devastating

feeling if you end up feeling like a

failure, yet, it would be good, do

we accept, all of us, that to

increase the breast-feeding rates in

Britain would be a good thing? So

how do we do that?

Absolutely.

Right, how do we do

that?

Right from the antenatal phase

when you're going to have your

guidance from the NHS rather than

just pushing breast-feeding right

from the start. It is being

inclusive environment. Inviting

people to come and learn about

infant feeding rather than

breast-feeding. Really talking about

the issues that can arise when you

breast-feed. Reasons why people have

to bottle feed. Reasons why people

have to formula feed.

To be really

open about the realities?

Really

open about it.

So that takes the

pressure off?

Potentially and just

better services from the word go.

OK.

I know you support it and that's

brilliant.

Two midwives. One was a

trainee, but two. That's unheard of.

:

That's few and far between.

This

is from Libby. "I have never

contacted a live TV show. I am

appalled at the latest pressure for

women to breast-feed. I am a new mum

and I became depressed after feeling

a failure that I couldn't get on

with breast-feeding. I was offered

support and constantly reminded how

I wasn't giving me child the best

start in life because I didn't

breast-feed. The midwives gave a

talk and anyone who asked about

bottle-feeding said they were not

allowed to give this information.

This is ridiculous and at worse

dangerous as many mums wanted safety

advice on bottle-feeding. I felt so

guilty about not being able to

breast-feed as if I was deliberately

harming my son. For God's sake,

being a parent is hard enough, give

us autonomy over how we chose to

feed our children." What do you

think?

I think that's probably a

story that's heard a lot a across

the country and one thing I hear

from that is the lack of support and

we were chatting before and I think

she also reports there about not

being allowed to be told, only about

bottle-feeding and that is all in

the education and also education of

health practitioners how to

communicate sensitively which I

think a lot of the time is missing.

Peu was going to read what the Royal

College of Midwives say, "We believe

the motive for breast-feeding cannot

be motivated by offering financial

reward. Qlts the Department of

Health, "We encourage breast-feeding

for six months because of the

benefits. It is important new mums

are supported by midwives and their

health visitor to help them make

informed decisions about

breast-feeding." Which you would

like to think would include

information about bottle-feeding and

formula.

There is a huge divide

between breast-feeding and

bottle-feeding. There doesn't need

to be. We just want happy babies,

but happy babies that are fed and

well nourished, thriving, and of

course, you know, I am a huge

advocate for successful

breast-feeding, but we're doing

something wrong and I think by

bribing, which essentially is what

it is, bribing mothers to

breast-feed, it could be a very

dangerous practise as that lady put

in the e-mail.

Thank you very much

for coming on to the programme.

Really appreciate hearing from

Edward and getting the smiles from

the two little girls. Thank you very

much. I know it has taken an effort

to get her with children and on

trains. We really appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

Your views welcome. Plenty of time

to read your messages and to talk to

you wherever you are in the country.

Thank you to Louise in Bristol.

We will hear from some of those

calling on Donald Donald Trump to

stay away.

About 500,000 children and young

people gamble every week according

to a Gambling Commission report

released in the last half an hour.

The industry regulator is warning

that children as young as 11

are using so-called skin betting

websites which let players gamble

with virtual items such as currency.

Once those items are won online,

usually modified guns or knives

within a video game known as a skin,

they can be sold and turned

back into real money

and there are concerns that it's

leading young people

into gambling earlier.

Here's how it works.

He ended up losing £1200.

I know

someone who lost £2,000.

Very

addictive. It is like any other

gambling.

It's hard to ask your parents for

£1,000, it is easier to ask for a

tenner. You could grab your parents

credit card and enter the detail.

It's instant. It is in front of you,

a few clicks, double the value of

the infantry. After a few months you

will have a military worth a couple

of hundred. OK, I want to double

this. So you go to a site and put

all of it on and fur' lucky, you can

make a lot of money potentially. It

doesn't feel like it's real money

because it's skins. It's virtual

items. When you win, it feels

exciting. It is addictive. You win

it once and you think why can't I

win it again? I put £10 Pods, I got

£20, why not turn it into £40? If

I'm on this lucky streak, I want to

keep going. When you lose, if I'm

going to be honest, it doesn't feel

anything because it's not like you

lost £200 from your bank account.

I've lost a lot more than that. It's

quite obvious it's aimed towards

younger people. Younger people are

less responsible with their money.

They're going to fall for flashy

animated pictures saying, "Wow, win

this. Double your money." The only

age protection thing was one pop-up

saying, "Are you over 18?" Yes.

There you go, you can spend as much

money as you like. There is no

gamble responsibly. None of that, it

is straight up, free-for-all really.

You don't see an 11-year-old walk

into a betting shop and betting £200

on a horse race, you know, but you

can do it with this. There is no

stopping that.

Ryan used £2,000 of his

student loan to gamble

and that's the £2,000 that he lost.

Tim Miller is from the

Gambling Commission.

Mark Potter is an ex-gambling addict

who speaks to kids and teachers

about gambling for an organisation

called EPIC Risk Management.

Liz Garter is a gambling

addiction therapist.

Welcome all of you. This 400,000

figure is pretty alarming, isn't it?

I think it sends a really clear

message that there is much nor that

needs to be done to protect children

from gambling. It is a slight fall

from last year, but I don't think we

should be celebrating yet. There are

many new and emerging areas where

children are becoming more exposed

to gambling-type behaviours.

400,00011 to 16-year-olds have

gambled, but pick out a couple of

others for us?

So that represents

about 12% of 11 to 16-year-olds

gambling in the last week and the

common area that we are seeing them

gambling on bets between friends

which is legal, but nevertheless is

still gambling. Buying scratchcards

with their parents, playing on fruit

machines in pubs as well, and what

we are seeing as well are the

emerging areas of gambling online in

relation to computer games which is

an area as many parents we won't

necessarily know about.

How would

parents spot the signs?

I think it

can be quite hard and I think it

links with one of the headlines that

interested me the most which was

have you children reported having

had a meaningful conversation with a

parent or a teacher? I think 39%

said they talked to a parent or a

parent had talked to them about the

potential harms of gambling and only

18% of teachers and I think that's

because...

If I talk to my kids

about harm of gmbling, it is like

anything, well, it is not going to

happen to them, they are invincible,

you know.

I think part of the

problem is that, as parents and

teachers and as a society, we don't

actually know what the potential

harms are so we don't know how to

describe it. I think when it comes

to gambling, we get often hooked on

the money aspect and of course,

devastating debt is a consequence of

gambling, but what we need to

educate is that the hooks are not

initially financial ones. They are

actually either experiencing a high

from winning and feeling like a

winner or from getting completely

absorbed and lost in that experience

of gambling.

Let me bring in Mark.

Hi, Mark, what do you say to

children, you can't go in

straightaway, gambling is terrible,

look what happened to me. How do you

draw young people into the

conversation so they are willing to

listen?

You have got to understand

that children of today, it really

got the first tech savvy generation,

they have access to iPads, laptops

and mobile phones. What we try and

do, we understand that we are not

going to be able to stop them going

online and accessing the type of

games. So we go into schools and try

to educate them about the dangers of

problematic gambling, whether that

be through hard hitting personal

stories, gambling facts, we use the

gam gabling spectrum and hopefully

make the kids make better informed

decision so when they turn 17 or 18

and are allowed to access gambling

sites so they have the better

informed decisions as to not fall

off the clip and make gambling

become problematic.

How would you

presay your own personal story to

them?

We do a don't pull any

punches, why I use my own personal

story as does Paul and Justin from

Epic and we really just sort of tell

some home truths and give everybody

the facts.

Live us some home truths

right now.

For my personal

experience...

Yes.

It almost cost me

my marriage. It cost me employment.

So generally, I think coming from

somebody who had the experience in

it it tends to hit home an awful lot

better than somebody who maybe

reeling off facts and figures.

Liz

have you treated under-16s?

Yes, I

have. I have certainly treated

people who started at a very young

age and what I'm finding

increasingly is that the problem

started with over use and I

emphasise over use of social media

and social gaming.

How many hours a

day is over use?

That very much

depends on the individual. When I

work with somebody, screens aside, I

say if it is creating a problem for

you, it is creating a problem and I

think when it comes to very young

people, they are at the very

formative stage of their life, of

course. As a therapist in general, I

think, you know, if we look at the

basic things that help us to have

happy and healthy lives, it is the

ability to self reflect, developing

healthy relational skills and

emotional resilience and if we're

spending all day, or most of our

time involved in a digital game, be

it social gaming, or social media,

we are blocking opportunities to

develop.

One final point to you Tim Miller,

we saw from our film how easy it is

to say of course, I'm over 18,

click. That's not good enough?

The

regulator's space there are strong

protections and we are reviewing and

at the moment we're tightening that

up. The issue is some of this falls

outside the regulated gambling space

and I think it is important...

Does

that bit fall outside that?

If it

crosses that line to become gambling

we take clear action. Earlier this

year we prosecuted two people who

crossed the line.

Sorry you

prosecuted companies or young

people?

We prosecuted two

high-profile YouTube users who were

allowing children to gamble on

computer games. This is a child

protection issue. If we are to

properly protect children, we need

to work together, parents, the

computer games industry and social

media companies. If we work together

then we can keep children safe.

OK,

we will see if that happens. Thank

you very much. I appreciate your

time. Thanks, Mark.

The news in sport in a moment.

Carol, the weather.

Lying snow hour across parts of the

British Isles. Quite a bit of snow

and parts of Worcestershire and

Shropshire we still have some

freezing fog, just nicely on that

snow plain. Shropshire last night

fell to -13, at the moment parts are

still at -13 but you can see the

current temperature range we have,

the Isles of Scilly really sticking

out at plus nine, they have more

cloud and rain. If you are

travelling there is lying snow and

ice, temperatures are low, take

extra care through the course of the

day, not just the morning. Many

looking at a dry day with a fair bit

of sunshine once the fog lifts but

there is more cloud coming through

the West, ahead of this weather

front which will introduce wet and

windy conditions. The brighter skies

today are going to remain across the

far South East and you can see where

we have got the cloud building ahead

of the weather front and then back

into the sunshine across Kent,

Essex, East Anglia, parts of

Cambridgeshire and heading up the

east coast of England. Meanwhile for

the rest of the Midlands, heading up

the Pennines into north-west

England, more cloud building, in

Scotland it is the far east which

hangs onto the cold weather but the

sunshine, in the West there is

already rain and Hill snow. The

winds strengthening as well in

Northern Ireland, the rain continues

from the west to the east and it

fringes across West Wales, the rest

of Wales dry and bright. The same as

well, showers ahead of the rain

coming across south-west England,

the further east you travel the

brighter the skies. There goes the

rain heading down towards the

south-east, accompanied by gusting

winds. Break in the cloud behind and

then you can see the next weather

front is starting to show its hand

in introducing showery outbreaks of

rain with Hill snow. Temperature

wise, this shows what you can expect

in towns and cities, it will be

colder than this in the rural areas

but not quite as cold as the night

just gone. Tomorrow morning at the

first fund moves quite quickly

taking the rain with it, the second

comes hot on its heels introducing

showery rain and also snow.

Increasingly through the day we will

see snow through Scotland and

Northern Ireland, and potential

across north-west England.

Opt in or opt out of organ donation?

Opt in or opt out of organ donation?

The government is proposing a big

change by moving to a system

of 'presumed consent' in England.

When you lose someone and they have

given that gift, that huge gift, you

are immensely proud of them and it

fills you with comfort that other

families are actually enjoying the

lives of their loved ones where they

may not have done.

We'll hear from a father who made

the decision to donate the organs

of his 16-year-old son,

and the man who benefitted.

Also - we've gained rare access

into the world of male sex workers

who speak in candid terms

about their experiences.

What really gets me is the fact that

because I am a guy they think it's

not as bad as a woman being raped

but it's exactly the same.

Research seen by our programme

suggests that 12% of male sex

workers have been sexually assaulted

in the last 5 years -

but most are unlikely to report

the crime to the police.

The full story before 11am.

And - the former partner of serial

killer Levi Bellfield tells this

programme she lives with the guilt

that she didn't report him

to the police sooner.

Good morning.

Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of todays news.

Inflation rose to 3.1% in November,

the highest in nearly six years.

It means the squeeze on what

households can afford, continues.

The Office for National

Statistics said that

airfares and computer games

contributed to the increase.

The most recent data shows average

weekly wages are growing at just

over 2%. In November the bank of

England raised the interest rate in

the first time in more than a

decade, from a quarter of percent to

half a percent. Four people are

being questioned on suspicion of

murder after three children died in

a house in Salford early yesterday

morning. Their mother and a

three-year-old child remained in

serious condition in hospital.

Police confirmed they had been in

contact with the family very

recently and visited the house in

the hours before the blaze. This

case has been referred to the

Independent Police Complaints

Commission. Temperatures of -13 have

been recorded in Shropshire on the

coldest night of the year so far.

The Met office extended yellow

warnings were snow and ice until

late this morning and the EU has

warned driving could be hazardous.

The industry regulator for gambling

is warning that children as young

as 11 are using so-called skin

betting websites, which let players

gamble with virtual items

as if they are currency.

The items are often modified guns

or knives within a video game,

which is what's known as a 'skin'.

The items can then be sold

and turned back in to real money.

It's part of a wider report

for The Gambling Commission

which says that around 370,000 11

to 16-year-olds have

spent their own money

on gambling in the past week.

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10:30am.

So many comments about financial

incentives for breast-feeding. Gemma

says I had a double mastectomy when

I was 25 because of a breast cancer

diagnosis. Obviously I cannot

breast-feed my now three-month-old

son and have been racked with guilt.

I have been completely supported by

midwives and other health

professionals and it's not been a

problem and I should be given

vouchers to buy formula. Another

saying that I breast-fed my first

child until he was 22 months and am

currently feeding my second who is

just over two months. I would not

have been able to breast-feed my

first without support from midwives

and others. I think the money spent

on vouchers would be better spent on

improving emotional support as well

as breast-feeding services as this

could in turn improve the rates.

This from a senior midwife, I find

it extremely difficult to

breast-feed my daughter despite the

reality of knowing exactly how to

breast-feed. Mums are under pressure

and a voucher scheme in my opinion

will not prevent these problems or

increase uptake. And this on text

says I am on maternity leave with my

six-week-old son who is exclusively

breast-fed. We have been lucky, it

has worked out well and we have had

lots of support. I do not agree with

vouchers, I do not need an incentive

to do what I feel is best for my

baby. So I would say the consensus

evolving through this programme that

the majority of you who are getting

in touch, it is not scientific of

course, saying that the voucher

scheme is not particularly

brilliant. So what, let's think

about solutions, better ways of

getting breast-feeding rates in this

country up because they are among

the lowest in the world, why is that

and what are the answers? Let's get

more sport.

England's cricketers gearing up for

the third test in Perth, 2-0 down in

the Ashes so they cannot afford to

lose, there has been criticism of

their performances and they have had

to deal with off field disciplinary

issues, bar room incidents, former

captain Michael Vaughan says they

have been behaving like students and

that senior players need to step up

and be role models. Alastair Cook

was asked for his take.

I don't

think we are getting painted fairly

in the media because on our culture

clearly there has been a couple of

things, it sounds silly, but the

media have brought it up. But the

world has changed after what

happened in September and it's down

to us to adjust that quickly and we

cannot afford any mistakes, because

the ECB and the sponsors, we want to

have kids play cricket.

I spoke to

another former England captain,

David Gower, earlier this morning,

he was heavily fined along with his

team mates for antics with a biplane

in the 1991 Ashes tour.

In my era

players lead of a lot of steam on

tour, three or four months away on

tour, you're not expected to be a

monk and everyone expect you to have

a drink and there were breaches of

discipline way back. Some were

allowed to pass, some were dealt

with severely. People just got on

with life. The key thing as ever in

these situations is if you are

producing the right results on the

pitch then people are forgiving we

had, I remember one, years and years

ago in Manchester a one-day

international against New Zealand

and we were found in a wine bar at

one end, leaving at 1am, they had

headlines ready to go in the papers

the next day slamming us for being

out of order. But we won the game

saw the headline was Hic-Hic-Hooray!

That's all the sports are now.

This morning: the former wife

of serial killer Levi Bellfield

tells this programme she lives

with the guilt that she didn't

report him to the police sooner.

Jo Collings says he regularly used

to beat and rape her and she now

believes she was "target practice"

to prepare himself for the murders

of 13-year-old Milly Dowler,

19-year-old Marsha McDonnell

and 22-year-old Amelie Delagrange.

He's currently serving a life

sentence for their murders -

which took place between 2002

and 2004, and an attempted

murder of another woman.

He's recently alleged to have

confessed in prison that he had also

killed Lin and Megan Russell

and left Josie Russell

for dead in 1996 -

when he was living with Jo Collings.

She's here now.

Good morning, thank you for talking

to us. What did you think first of

all when you heard this apparent

confession regarding the Russell

murders?

The first thing which goes

through your mind is the date and

it's an unforgettable dates because

it's my birthday, the 9th of July,

the date they were killed.

And so

you say he couldn't?

No, it was the

first year my daughter was born and

you always remember the first year

of your baby 's life and it was the

first real, my daughter was only

five months old and it was my

birthday so, you know...

He has

since denied ever making a

confession. Michael Stone was

convicted of the killing of Lin

Russell and Megan Russell and his

lawyers say you could be confused

about the timing.

There is no way I

am confused.

And he was with you the

whole day?

From when we woke up in

the morning until we went to bed, I

can tell you everything we did and

where we went and there is no way he

left my side for any amount of time.

Even though they say they have a

witness who saw him in the area?

Apparently they have a witness.

You

spent three years with Levi

Bellfield, give us an insight into

what your life was like?

It was

torture most of the time. When he

was being nice you could not have

asked for a nicer person. He was a

real gentleman, spoiled rotten, took