11/12/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello.

Good morning.

It's Monday, it's nine o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

Our top story today -

treacherous road conditions

and hundreds of schools closed

as snow turns to ice.

Yes, at hasn't stopped, didn't stop

snowing until the early hours here,

we have had about eight centimetres.

I'm in Worcester. But in other parts

of the West Midlands, up to 20

centimetres, and temperatures are

dropping, turning the snow to ice,

so people are being warned to take

care when they go out today.

Wherever you are, how

is the snow is affecting you.

We'll get the latest

from our correspondents

right across the UK.

Also on the programme:

as the inquiry into the fire

at Grenfell Tower gets under way

today, we'll talk exclusively

to the leader of the local council

and ask her why so many survivors

are still living in hotels.

We lost lives, some people

lost all their families.

Nobody from the council has ever

come and said get them all together,

let's sympathise with them.

We'll talk to Elizabeth Campbell,

the Conservative leader

of Kensington and Chelsea council,

in the next hour.

And two of the so-called

Chennai Six tell this programme

exclusively they feel betrayed

by the British Government

for failing to do enough to help

secure their release.

Hello.

Good morning.

Welcome to the programme.

We're live until 11.

We will bring you the latest news,

sport and interviews.

We should also say congratulations

to Toff, who won I'm A Celebrity -

some of you may remember her

from when she appeared in election

blind dates on this programme ahead

of the general election.

We hope to speak to her

on the programme tomorrow.

Do get in touch on all the stories

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Our top story today: Snow

and freezing temperatures

are still causing widespread

disruption across parts of the UK.

There have been train and plane

cancellations, and drivers

are being warned that icy conditions

are making roads treacherous.

Hundreds of schools across Wales

and the Midlands will

also be closed today.

Simon Clemison reports.

Our correspondents are in London,

Worcester and North Wales. Simon

Clegg the sun is at Heathrow.

Good morning from a wet and

miserable Heathrow, but the one

thing that is missing, no snow. But

there is still disruption, because

of the knock-on effect of everything

that happened yesterday. Runway is

not such a problem, it was the

de-icing of the planes. Quite a few

flights of British Airways have been

cancelled, both long haul and

short-haul, so the advice is do not

come here unless you have checked

with your airline. Rail services

disrupted as well, and the roads are

the big problem today, because we

saw temperatures last night going

down to -11.6 in places, and what is

happening there is that the snow

melted a little yesterday, then

refreezing, and that makes a very

slippery surface. Let's go now to

Phil Mackie in Worcestershire.

There is a lot more snow here, eight

centimetres in the city centre in

Worcestershire, much more out in the

countryside, in parts of

Staffordshire, Shropshire, the Black

Country. Up to 20 centimetres of

lying snow, meaning hundreds of

schools are closed, all of the

schools in Birmingham, most in those

other counties and beyond down into

Oxfordshire and even

Buckinghamshire, schools are closed.

In terms of travel, public transport

is running, people are being warned

to check before they go and catch a

train, but by and large things

haven't been badly affected.

Birmingham Airport much like

Heathrow is dealing with the backlog

created yesterday, trying to de-ice

the planes. Temperatures are

dropping, when I arrived it was

above freezing and now it has

dropped below, which is why people

are saying be careful, the snow is

turning to ice. Because so many

schools are shut, it has had the

impact of reducing the amount of

traffic on the roads, things are

running quite smoothly at the

moment. Several hundred homes around

Oxfordshire in particular are still

without power, engineers are working

to get that back on. A lot of

children are having the day

off, and I'm sure it will be a

picture perfect day. The trouble is,

the temperatures are not going to

change much, and probably for the

next 24 hours, things won't change

much. Let's see what it is like now

in North Wales with Matthew

Richards. The snow has stopped, but

temperatures have dropped

considerably, and that has caused

major disruption, hundreds of

schools closed across Wales and

hundreds of homes now without power.

We had 33 centimetres of snow

falling at Sennybridge in Powys in

the Brecon Beacons yesterday, and

this is the worst snow to hit parts

of Wales the seven years. As well as

the roads being difficult today,

police in North Wales are using 4x4

vehicles to transport NHS staff to

and from hospitals to make sure

patients can still get treatment and

things are still running smoothly.

The advice to anyone trying to

venture out is don't do it unless

you have to, and if you have to,

make sure you are prepared to deal

with any bad conditions with snow

shovels and then also blankets to

keep you warm and food and drink if

you should be delayed any length of

time.

Thank you very much.

Wherever you are in the UK, let us

know how that snow is affecting you.

Schools being close can be a pain

for mums and dads, so do let us know

how you are sorting that out.

Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

of the rest of the day's news.

Thank you, Victoria. Good morning.

The chairman of a leading hospital

trust in London has resigned -

accusing the government of failing

to recognise the "enormous

challenges" facing the NHS.

Lord Kerslake, who's a former head

of the civil service,

said King's College Hospital Trust

was struggling to cope with rising

demand, increased costs

and limits on spending.

The regulator for England,

NHS Improvement, said the trust's

financial performance was "the worst

in the NHS".

A Department of Health spokeswoman

said they were working

with the trust to tackle the issues.

Lord Coe slick told this programme

that tough decisions need to be

made.

I don't think we are facing up

to the choice is very well, and I

really worry that in effect, what is

going to happen here is the NHS we

know and love will slowly but surely

slip away from us?

Because it is not

getting enough money?

Because it is

not getting the sustained funding

over time that it needs to perform.

And you can hear Victoria's

interview with Lord Kerslake in full

at ten o'clock.

Two days of hearings will begin

later to establish the framework

of the Grenfell Tower

fire public inquiry.

Sir Martin Moore-Bick is being urged

by survivors of the fire to give

them a more central role.

It comes as Labour leader

Jeremy Corbyn accused the Government

of failing survivors, with more

than 100 still living in hotels.

Relatives of the victims say it's

vital their stories are heard.

And Victoria will be speaking

exclusively to the leader

of Kensington and Chelsea council,

Elizabeth Campbell later this hour,

at just after 9.30.

Theresa May will tell MPs later

today that there is a new sense

of optimism in the Brexit talks,

after her last-minute deal aimed

at moving them to the next phase.

She will say she expects EU leaders

to agree to start talks

about future trade and security

at a summit on Thursday.

The Prime Minister will insist

she has not caved in to Brussels

over the so-called divorce bill.

The most destructive

of the wildfires raging in southern

California has expanded

significantly, scorching an area

larger than New York City.

4,000 firefighters have been called

up to tackle flames which are now

threatening the coastal city

of Santa Barbara.

Hundreds of buildings have been

destroyed and damaged

and 200,000 people have had

to flee their homes.

In a further sign of reform

in Saudi Arabia, the government has

announced that public cinemas

will be allowed in the country

from early next year.

Cinema-going is currently

very restricted in the

ultra-conservative Islamic Kingdom.

It's the latest in a number

of reforms promoted

by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman,

including the lifting

of the ban on women drivers.

The guitarist with the American rock

band Queens of the Stone Age

has apologised after a photographer

was kicked in the head

during a concert.

The woman, Chelsea Lauren,

posted a video on social media

that appeared to show

Josh Homme kicking her as she took

pictures close to the stage,

during a performance in California

on Saturday night.

He said he was lost

in the performance and thought

he was kicking over

lighting on the stage.

Georgia Toffolo has been named this

year's winner of I'm a Celebrity...

Get Me Out of Here.

The reality star, who's

best known for appearing

on E4's Made in Chelsea,

was crowned by Ant and Dec

on Sunday night after more

than nine million votes were cast.

The former Hollyoaks star

Jamie Lomas came in second place,

with radio and TV presenter Iain Lee

coming in third.

And that's a summary of the latest

BBC News - more at 9.30.

Thank you very much. Good morning.

If you are getting in touch with us,

you are very welcome. In a moment we

are going to speak to Billy Irving

and his fiancee Yvonne, and Nick

Dunn and his sister Lisa. They spent

two and a half years in jail in

India, and they are now back. One of

the reasons they are released is

because of the relentless

campaigning by if an and Lisa, and

we're going to talk to them all in

just a moment.

Let's get some sport

with Jessica Creighton.

Jess, you're reflecting

on an eventful Manchester derby?

Good morning. Eventful both on and

off the pitch after Manchester

city's victory over neighbours

Manchester United yesterday. They

have opened up an 11 point gap, but

there were reports of an altercation

between the camps after the match.

Apparently, milk was thrown, and our

reporter Simon Stone is with me.

These teams have been playing each

other for more than 100 years. The

long rivalry has been well

documented. But again, on the pitch

tensions have spilled over, haven't

they?

It was a big game for both

sides. And we knew about that in the

build-up to the game. Manchester

United were trying to close the gap,

Manchester City were trying to get a

win that everyone assumes will now

window in the Premier League title.

City won the Game 2-1. The

Manchester United camp viewed the

city celebrations as being over the

top, I think. The support staff by

the tunnel were trying to push Pep

Guardiola towards the fans.

And he

has said, I don't want to celebrate,

that may be well be appropriate for

me to do, so he is walking away.

I

think he thought it would be a bit

too much. United sensed it was too

much. The players went back to the

dressing rooms. Jose Mourinho had

been in the home dressing room and

came back out to either speak to the

referee or to do his post-match

interviews. The Manchester City

dressing room door was open, and I

think it was too much of an open

door, really, for Jose Mourinho. He

couldn't resist saying something,

and it all kind of erupted, there

was some pushing and shoving. This

milk was thrown, it hit a wall, but

it hit one of his support staff. It

lasted about two minutes, then it

all comes down. I think one of the

Manchester City support staff, Mikel

Arteta, ended up with a cut. It all

calmed down the players were OK

afterwards, but it was all a bit

unseemly, over the top, after a

magnificent win for Manchester City.

You can understand from just a

city's point of view, they have gone

11 points clear at the top of the

Premier League. Is it ever too much

celebration when you are that far

ahead?

I think if you are the team

that has lost, it can be deemed, an

ordinary celebration can be deemed

too much. In the end it is two big

teams, the away team won yesterday,

and it will have big ramifications

for the title race, but I think that

is what people will remember the

game or four, for the fact that

Manchester city won rather than this

couple of minutes afterwards and the

milk that got thrown against the

war.

So not too big an incident for

you, because this rivalry between

the teams is well-documented. Back

in 2004, more food items were

thrown, and the Manchester United

manager at the time, Sir Alex

Ferguson, was hit by pizza.

I don't

think it will go down as the Battle

of the Bogside, which is what the

game between Manchester United and

Arsenal did in 2004 -- the battle of

the buff buffet.

Thank you for

joining us. I will be back with a

full bulletin for you just after ten

o'clock.

Thank you very much. Milk was

thrown. They are so tough(!)

Good morning.

This morning - two of the so-called

Chennia six tell this programme

exclusively they feel

let down and betrayed

by the British Government

for failing to do enough to help

secure their release.

Billy Irving, Nick Dunn and four

other men have spent four

years in an Indian prison

after being charged with carrying

unlicensed firearms and ammunition.

They have spent two and a half years

in Indian prison.

After years of campaigning, they won

an appeal against their convictions

last month and were given

permission to leave India.

We've been following their story

for years, both on radio and TV,

and can talk now to Nick Dunn

and Billy Irving in their first

live TV interview along, with

Billy's fiancee, Yvonne Machugh,

and Nick's sister Lisa,

both of whom campaigned

relentlessly for their release.

Hello. Nice to meet you. Welcome

home. Welcome home. What is it like

to be back?

Amazing, brilliant to be

back as either family again, and to

get to see my boy.

And reunited with

your little boy.

I would like to

clarify, the weapons were licensed,

and we proved the licenses were

there, and the initial, everything

was above legal. I just wanted to

clarify that.

Fair enough.

The High

Court in India has proved as

innocent, twice we went through the

courts and twice we won, so we have

proved we are innocent and were

above and everything was legal.

Thank you for clarifying that.

Welcome home, Nick.

It is just truly

amazing, after four years of missing

my mam, hearing her voice again,

obviously it is not the same, but

she will always be the same to me,

and basically so great to be back,

really.

And we saw you giving her

the biggest hug at the airport. What

did she say to you?

Is

Her speech isn't as great as it

was four years ago. It was more the

emotional feeling than any words can

describe. I can't put words into my

mouth. You had to be there to see it

and feel it.

Tell us about being

reunited with your little boy who

you've met twice effectively?

Three

times in yand. So, I mean going to

India, having two hours a day with

my son, just having the two days was

brilliant, but confined to the small

room and all eyes including Indian

prisoners on, watching, staring, I

felt uncomfortable through the

process of visits, but again, it was

just amazing to see him and then to

come back and spend a whole day and

him calling me, "Daddy. Daddy, come

here. Help me with this." Just to

get called dad, now I'm starting to

feel like a father. I've never had

the opportunity since he was born.

For me, it has been, you know, quite

emotional at the same time. It has

been amazing.

Yvonne, how is it for

you having him back home?

It's

incredible. It is what we fought for

for the last four years. It feels

like everything is complete now and

I am just delighted to have him

home. He is already doing my head

in, but I love it!

LAUGHTER

There must have been times for both

of you when you thought this might

not happen.

It has been strange. At

the same time you have got to stay

positive. That's why I fought all

the way through prison. I always

fought toum prove life and I always

fought to get the food, they were

giving us rotten food. We should

have had a bed, not a mattress on

the floor. You have got insects

crawling on you. Sometimes you would

wake up covered with ants. It was

just a bit of humanity I wanted. We

should never have been in prison. I

would have fought and fought, I

would never have given up and that's

due to Yvonne and my son, meeting my

son for the first time. I would

never give up. It kept me positive

to keep fighting and I think, I

wanted to show Yvonne, if I keep

fighting, it gives you happy vibes.

I'm not going to let them beat me.

For me, it was more for Yvonne to

show I'm fighting and I'm not going

to give up. Yvonne has been amazing,

all the girls have been amazing.

Lisa, tell us what it is like from

your point of view to have your

brother finally home?

There is no

words that can describe T our family

is complete again. There was always

that part missing. Nick is a huge

character within our family. Even,

you know, to have him picking on me

and I missed that. I missed that. He

winds me up something rotten, but

I've got it back now and our family

is a family again.

Where there are

moments Nick when you thate I might

not get home?

I always tried to keep

positive throughout the four years

and I never gave up hope. I've got

amazing support from the family and

amazing support from just general

public, you know, without their

support, I think I would have

struggled, but my sister never let

us give up. I had to get home for me

mam. She was my driving force. So,

it's great to be back and you know,

I never gave up.

Halfs the worst

time for you?

Being in prison the

first time, getting told about me

mam's condition, nearly dying of a

double aneurysm. It broke me. It

absolutely broke me. It was just

before Christmas as well. So, and

not long being in prison, but I had

to dig deep because it's so easy to

let control go and just lose it, but

I didn't because what would that

achieve? I had to stay strong for

myself and for my family and it paid

off basically.

What about the worst time for you

Billy, what would you say?

The

missed the birth of my son and

Yvonne had a complicated birth as

well. I wasn't in prison at that

time, but I was sat by a phone and

computer just waiting to hear

something because Yvonne was flying.

She had to fly back to Scotland to

get treatment. Again, you have got

to think of the positives when

you're there. If you feel down, as

Nick said, you start going to a

horrible place and it is trying to

get yourself back out of especially

when the family is so far away to

help you, it's hard.

Let me ask you

both about all of you in fact about

the British Government and the fact

that you have felt let down by them.

I believe I was let down back in

2014 when the case got quashed. We,

by Indian law, should have gone

home. We had no charges, keeping us

at all, but the Indian government

refused to release our passports and

basically refused us our right to

leave the country. However, the

Government didn't believe us. They

were thinking, "Are these innocent

men?" As we recently found that they

did do a lot to secure our release

towards the end.

Right. What would

you say, Billy?

From the start, they

didn't help. I mean when we first

went to prison, we were in prison

for the next morning and they came

to visit. They didn't speak about

anything. They didn't know what was

going on, they came and gave us a

prisoner abroad pack and then left.

What did you think of that?

I

thought it was shocking. Six men

from the UK, 35 men in total. We

didn't know halfs going on because

nobody explained in English to us,

we were forced to sign things. Sign

this or we'll call you terrorists.

Sign this or we'll make your life

hell. For the last year, I believe

all the media and the families

pressure, all the petitions put in,

really pushed the Government and I

think the Government started to

realise for the three years previous

they did nothing really. They had 50

talks about their counterparts, but

nothing happened, it was only when

the media starting picking up and

putting pressure pressure, it

started getting bigger, I think a

lot more pressure went on them. Yes,

they did start working at the end,

but it was too little, too late. It

was the lawyers that did it. Over

one year waiting for the appeal for

a judge to stand down and the

following week to stand back up and

take the case. He said the case was

too complicated, but stood down. The

acquittal papers said the case was a

farce. That was basically

it. The

Foreign Office said the UK

Government is delighted the men were

released and the Foreign Secretary

paid tribute to those who

campaigned. They said that the

Foreign Office worked behind the

scenes to get these men released,

visiting them in prison, updating

their families and maintaining close

contact with their legal team.

You have worked so hard, you Lisa,

you Yvonne and the other women, the

other relatives to try and bring

your men home as quickly as

possible. What were the times-you

thought, "I'm not sure if we're

going to succeed."

We're only human

and there are times where you get

really desperate. You become really

low, but at the centre of this, are

35 innocent men, my brother and no

matter how low you get, you look to

the support. I used to read a lot of

social media, a lot of comments from

the general public, from strangers,

given their support and that really

boosted me and just knowing that

Nick and the other men had done

nothing wrong, how could I allow

this to happen? How could I just sit

back and allow it to unfold and let

it go five years? Absolutely not. I

couldn't have slept at night. So for

me, the support that we had and the

simple fact that these are innocent

men who've served our country,

absolutely not. There was no way I

was going to sit back and allow that

to happen, I couldn't.

We have got

one question here from a viewer

saying, "Did your employers fight

for your release? What did the

employers do and are the employers

supporting you?"

The employers

abandoned us. They stopped paying

us. Yes, they got a lawyer at the

start, but it became apparent all

they wanted was their equipment back

and ship back. Us men were the last

stop for us. The only people who was

fighting was the families back home

and they started bringing more and

more support and that was not just

the UK, it was worldwide. The

support was unbelievable and then

all the letters of support and it

was truly amazing. That's what kept

us going fighting, you know.

A

viewer tweets, "I'm in tears for the

men and their families. Shame on our

government and shame on India. I'm

pleased they are back home and I

hope they can rebuild their lives."

What are your plans then?

I want the

Government to stand up and realise

the mistakes they've made, to allow

Human Rights to be violated and

these need to be focussed on and

looked at, even if they are in

another country, they need make sure

that the international laws have

been done. My priority now is I just

want to be back home and get married

to Yvonne.

When are you getting married?

I need

to ask the boss!

As soon as

possible. Hopefully early next year.

So we will see.

Just to get back to

a normal family.

Congratulations.

What would you say about the

campaigning Yvonne did for you?

She

has blown me away and I'm so happy I

asked her to marry me. I can't put

it in words.

Well, I'm asking you to

try, Billy!

There is no words.

What would you

say about your sis?

Absolutely

amazing. She never gave up. She kept

the family together.

Absolutely amazing. She is a pocket

rocket! She gets people have said in

the media, she packs the punch of a

heavyweight fighter. Me dad called

her a Rottweiler! She just never

gave up. It was the lowest point of

our family when we get good news and

straightaway get smashed with bad

news. She thought that's it, we need

to go to the next stage and keep the

family going and her support and

rallying just like Yvonne and

Joanne, just kept all of us

together, you know, truly amazing

what they've done.

He's my brother.

He's my brother. I couldn't have

not.

Tears and smiles from you,

Lisa.

Can I give Joanne Thompson,

she has been a massive part of the

support with Lisa and Yvonne.

The

last time I saw you was with Joanne.

Morgan says, "So good to see you on

the programme. Those families never

stopped fighting for those men."

Thank you very much all of you. I

really appreciate it. So goods to

see you back and Stephen says, "So

glad at last the men are recognised

as having been wrongly imprisoned.

The fact their family kept fighting

speaks volume about the way the

media forgot about them." Thank you.

Still to come, as the Grenfell

inquiry begins today -

we'll talk exclusively to the leader

of the local council and ask her

why, coming up to Christmas,

four out of five families

are still looking for new homes.

Self-employed workers, freelancers

or those on zero-hours are more

likely to face unwanted sexual

behaviour according to a survey for

the BBC on workplace harassment. We

will talk to a woman who says as a

waitress she is don't stantly

harassed in her job and wears an

engagement ring even though she is

not engaged to try and put people

off!

Time for the latest

news, here's Annita.

The BBC News headlines this morning.

Snow and freezing temperatures are

causing widespread disruption across

parts of the UK. There have been

train and plane cancellations and

drivers are warned that icy

conditions are making roads

treacherous. Hundreds of schools

across Wales and the Midlands will

be closed today.

The chairman of a leading hospital

trust in London has resigned -

accusing the Government of failing

to recognise the "enormous

challenges" facing the NHS.

Lord Kerslake, who's a former head

of the civil service,

said King's College Hospital Trust

was struggling to cope with rising

demand, increased costs

and limits on spending.

The regulator for England,

NHS Improvement, said the trust's

financial performance was "the worst

in the NHS".

A Department of Health spokeswoman

said they were working

with the trust to tackle the issues.

Lord Kerslake told this

programme that tough

decisions need to be made.

I don't think we are facing up

to the choices very well,

and I really worry that in effect,

what is going to happen

here is the NHS we know and love

will slowly but surely slip

away from us?

Because it is not

getting enough money?

Because it is not getting

the sustained funding over time

that it needs to perform.

And you can hear Victoria's

interview with Lord Kerslake

just after ten o'clock.

Two days of hearings will begin

later to establish the framework

of the Grenfell Tower

fire public inquiry.

Sir Martin Moore-Bick is being urged

by survivors of the fire to give

them a more central role.

It comes as Labour leader

Jeremy Corbyn accused the Government

of failing survivors, with more

than 100 still living in hotels.

Relatives of the victims say it's

vital their stories are heard.

And Victoria will be speaking

exclusively to the leader

of Kensington and Chelsea council,

Elizabeth Campbell,

after this summary.

Theresa May will tell MPs later

today that there is a new sense

of optimism in the Brexit talks,

after her last-minute deal aimed

at moving them to the next phase.

She will say she expects EU leaders

to agree to start talks

about future trade and security

at a summit on Thursday.

The Prime Minister will insist

she has not caved in to Brussels

over the so-called divorce bill.

The most destructive

of the wildfires raging in southern

California has expanded

significantly, scorching an area

larger than New York City.

4,000 firefighters have been called

up to tackle flames which are now

threatening the coastal city

of Santa Barbara.

Hundreds of buildings have been

destroyed and damaged

and 200,000 people have had

to flee their homes.

Two of the so-called Chennai six

have said that they feel let down by

the government of failing to do

enough to secure their release.

Billy Irving, Nick Dunn and four

other men spent four years in an

Indian prison. They won an appeal

last month and were given permission

to leave India.

For the last year, all the media and

the family pressure, all the

petitions put in, really push the

Government, and I think the

Government started to realise for

the three years previous they did

nothing. Nothing happened. It was

only when the media started picking

up, started putting pressure on, it

started getting into international

news, and the papers were picking it

up, I think a lot more pressure went

on them. Yes, it did start working

in the end, but it was too little,

too late, it was the lawyers that

did it.

And that is a summary of the

latest BBC News. In the next few

minutes, we will talk to the leader

of Kensington and Chelsea Borough

Council, Elizabeth Campbell, who

took over after Nick Paget-Brown was

forced to resign over his handling

of the aftermath of the Grenfell

Tower fire.

Here's some sport now with Jess.

Good morning. After Manchester

city's win over neighbours

Manchester United yesterday, there

was an altercation between the camps

which ended with the United camp

being hit by milk. Jose Mourinho

allegedly reported excessive

celebrations. Manchester City opened

up an 11 point gap at the top of the

Premier League. In the Merseyside

Derby, one older or -- 1-1 draw

between Everton and Liverpool. And

Ronnie O'Sullivan has won a sixth UK

Championships equal Steve Davis's

record. He won five frames in a row

to beat Sean Murphy 10-5. And plenty

of sport was cancelled over the

weekend because of the weather, but

not at Twickenham where Ulster beat

harlequins 17-5 in the European

Champions Cup. Yesterday's postponed

match between Saracens and club

Clermont will now take place today.

The chair of the public inquiry

into the Grenfell Tower fire

is to hold two days of hearings

to discuss the future of its work.

Sir Martin Moore-Bick will be

examining the arrangements under

which witnesses will give evidence.

He's being urged by victims

of the fire to give them

a more central role.

of "failing" survivors of the

June

blaze, with more than 100

blaze, with more than 100

still living in hotels.

One residents' group claim only 42

families of the 208 needing

re-housing had been moved

to permanent homes.

Here's how the story has unfolded

over the last six months.

Some of the images are distressing.

I opened the front door

and there was thick smoke

on the whole landing.

There's a lot of young kids

and a lot of old people

living in the block.

We could see that this

was a bad one immediately.

The sky was glowing.

The fire brigade and

the ambulance and police,

they couldn't do nothing.

They couldn't get in.

They were telling them to just

stay where they are,

we will come and get you.

People have lost their homes,

children have seen things and people

were jumping out the window.

We just need to rebuild

as a community now.

I could've...

Wow.

I could've...

We saw a lot, we saw a lot, man.

We saw a lot with our own eyes.

We saw...

We saw friends, families...

Ooh...

Honestly, it's all right,

you don't have to say any more.

Then I went outside.

I called out and said,

where are you?

He said, I'm in the flat.

I said, why didn't you come outside?

He said, nobody brought me outside.

He said, why did you leave me?

He said, why?

I said, I didn't leave you.

Today, we are back here

in North Kensington to catch up

with some of those we first met

on that Wednesday.

We still have missing people.

We still have no answers.

It is constantly that we are

expected to chase things.

Go here, phone this.

Check your moral compass.

Check it.

Why is it OK that there

are thousands of empty homes right

in this area and these

people are homeless?

I don't want money.

We are not looking for money.

Olu does not want temporary

accommodation, he wants

permanent accommodation.

He wants good,

permanent accommodation.

That is not too much to ask.

Can you promise him that?

What we have said is that...

Just say yes or no.

I work hard, I had a good house!

Because right now we have no...

No hopes, nothing.

We are just living from day to day.

We lost our properties.

We lost lives.

Some people lost all

of their families.

Nobody from the council

has ever come to say,

get them all together,

let's sympathise with them.

Let's pray with them.

I don't know what's next,

because it looks like right now some

of them are going on holiday!

We are here suffering.

There's the recording on the phone -

"Oh, sorry, she's gone on holiday.

Sorry, he's gone on holiday".

What kind of holiday?

This is not the time

for holiday for anybody.

It's a wake-up call.

The six month anniversary

of the fire will be marked

on Thursday with a service

at St Paul's Cathedral.

We'll be

broadcasting from there live.

One person who has been asked

to stay away from that

service is the leader

of Conservative Kensington

and Chelsea Council,

Elizabeth Campbell.

She took over in July

after her predecessor,

Nick Paget-Brown, was forced

to resign for his handling

of the aftermath of the fire.

She is here now. Good morning to

you.

Good morning.

Last month you said

that every survivor would have a

chance to move into a new home

before Christmas. That's not going

to happen, is it?

We have been in

the business of rebuilding lives,

but over the last few months it has

become quite clear that it is much

more challenging than we thought it

would be.

Challenging for who?

Challenging for both. The people who

aren't moved into their homes yet

and for us to try and make sure that

we can move people into new homes,

because until they do, it is very

difficult to rebuild people's

lights, I accept that.

Tell us about

some of those challenges.

We thought

originally that we had about 150

households to rehouse, and it went

down a bit to hundred and 30, but

now we are up to 210. And the

perfectly understandable reasons. If

you are three generations living

together in a flat, then it is

perfectly reasonable to say, right,

well, your adult child has the

opportunity now to have their own

flat, and your grandmother has the

opportunity to have their own flat,

or in other cases we have people who

family have come in to live with

them. So we might have been looking

for more three-bedroom houses, now

we are looking for more ones, so the

complexion has changed. We have been

going out and buying houses at a

rate of about two a day, and we have

exchanged on 250, and we hope to get

300 by Christmas so people will have

a choice.

So I use saying it is

because the families keep changing

their minds?

No, I'm not saying

that, although in some cases

sometimes they are because again,

perfectly understandably, if you

have come out of Grenfell Tower and

you have lost people, and we are

saying to you, would you like a flat

in this road or in Kensington row

or, where would you to live?

Sometimes you are not ready to make

that decision, or maybe sometimes

you make the decision and then you

change your mind, of course you do.

So is it because of that and that

there are still, according to

Grenfell United, 108 households

still in need of accommodation?

There are a lot of people still in

hotels, but everybody in a hotel has

been offered alternative

accommodation, either private rented

accommodation or a serviced

apartment, and again, for perfectly

understandable reasons, some of them

want to stay where they are. I saw

someone a couple of weeks ago,

someone with her mother, and her

mother is in a hotel, going crazy in

a hotel because actually it is six

months on and you don't want to be

in a hotel, and I was saying, can't

you persuade her that perhaps she

could have a flat and then it gives

you space to think and figure out

what you do want and don't want, and

she is saying to me, no, because if

she goes into a flat, then she feels

that she will go down the priority

order, and you will forget about

her.

Which is a fair point.

Which is

a fair point.

Because you might.

Not

because we might, we won't forget

about her, you stay in the same

priority order, and we are getting

flats. But what is reality and how

people feel might be completely

different. And on a more cheery

note, there are people where we have

got an awful lot of people who have

accepted offers who are in hotels,

they are saying, why do I want to

move twice? It has been

exchanged, I have seen it, I am

getting the furniture, I don't want

to move now and then move again at

the end of January or in February. I

will stay where I am fine now. So

there are many different reasons.

We

know one survivor who has been

offered four different types of

accommodation and turned them all

down for a variety of reasons. What

you think of that?

I don't know what

the reasons are. But that is his

choice, right? I am not going to

force people, I'm not in the

business of saying, it will be much

better for me if you are out of

hotels and we can move these figures

from this column to the other side.

If that is their decision, that is

their decision. But we would hope to

try and persuade them, or try and

find something where they would like

to go to, and actually what we would

really like them to do is move to

permanent accommodation, because it

is really difficult start your life

again, and for some people, to even

start the grieving process, if you

are stuck in a hotel.

Do you think

that is being too picky?

I am

absolutely not going to go there or

go down that route. It is the

people, some of whom are incredibly

traumatised, because it is not that

long to make up their own minds, but

I'm certainly not that criticise

their decisions.

So the fact that

some people six months on from the

fire are still in emergency

accommodation is their

responsibility?

It is both the

responsibility, isn't it? It is our

responsibility to make sure there is

a sufficient amount of permanent

accommodation available, and stuff

that they would like to live in.

And

you haven't done that?

We have 250

who we have exchanged on, but

remember buying your own house, all

the things that you have to do, and

double it, because we are doing it

as a council, so fire certificates,

gas certificates, surveys,

repainting, re-carpeting all those

things take time. But we have been

buying at a rate of roughly about

two a day.

And you told us in

October that you hoped you would

have bought 300 new homes by

Christmas.

We are almost there. We

have exchanged on 250, and we have

50 more to exchange before

Christmas. But in total, under

offer, we have had 370, so we are

moving in that direction, yes.

So

what do you say to those households

who are upset, frustrated, angry,

that they are still in a hotel?

I

would say, talk to your key worker,

talk to other workers, especially if

you have children, is it the right

place to have children? Is there a

private rented accommodation, any

alternative accommodation service,

apartment, that you would like to

move into? And if you would, we will

try and find it for you.

Would you

say sorry to those who are going to

be in hotels over Christmas?

Yes, I

am sorry. I'm sorry that they are in

hotels. But I'm also sorry... It's

one of those things, isn't it? That

they don't feel they trust us enough

that they can move somewhere that

they might be more comfortable

before they make the final decision.

Of course I'm sorry. That is a lack

of trust, and that takes time to

build up again. Identify have a

magic answer to that.

What are you doing to encourage the

community to trust you?

I suppose

actions, you know, we've got, we've

taken on 300 extra staff. We've got

an army of people out there who we

have commissioned, wrap around care

and mental health workers, it's not

just about houses, it's the whole

package and I think it's about

building relationships. If they have

a strong relationship with their

housing officer or their key worker,

we've got accident accommodation

that they can move into, hopefully

that will repair the trust.

I mean we're in touch with so many

survivors who say the permanent

accommodation they have been offered

is just not suitable. It's

inappropriate and elderly grandma

has been offered an apartment block,

not high up, but high enough up

which means she would have to use

the stairs and she is in a

wheelchair?

Well, I can't comment on

individual cases. I have seen lots

of...

That happened. So, I mean, how

is that happening?

Well, again, you

know, OK, if that has happened,

obviously that's completely

unacceptable, but the flats that I

have seen will have lifts,

wheelchair accessible, are very nice

airy, bright, we're going for really

high quality apartments and we've

got a whole file of them. It's a

pity I didn't bring some photos for

you today. They are good quality

apartments.

OK. The Met Police said

in July there were reasonable

grounds to suspect your council and

the tenant management organisation

whose job it was to look after

Grenfell Tower may have committed

corporate manslaughter. Have you

been interviewed by the police yet?

No, but I've said, you know, all our

documents, any evidence they need,

anything, in anyway we can help them

with, we'll help.

Do you know if

your predecessor has been

interviewed?

I don't.

Has anyone at

your council as far as you know been

interviewed by the police?

I assume

so, yeah. But I mean, I don't have

the details and as I said, you know,

I understand that for our residents

it is really, really important that

they get justice so we will

co-operate in any way we can. I mean

imagine, imagine if it was you had

lost someone in that fire, you would

want, you would want justice and

anyway we can help, any

documentation, anything we can give

forward, we will. We'll co-operate

in any way we can.

Phil tweets this, "Elizabeth

Campbell description is confusing as

she said previously there were too

many people living in one property

and now public scrutiny has forced

the council to house people properly

which means multiple properties."

It

is more a myriad of different

reasons people don't want to live

together.

One viewer says, "Thanks

for keeping this in our

consciousness."

So do I.

Stevie

says, "The people trying to help the

Grenfell victims, they are looking

for problems and stopping them

fixing the issues." Is that fair?

We

have taken on a lot of extra staff.

We are going through family by

family, individual by individual,

trying to find them something that

suits them, and in the meantime, I

repeat, if they wish to move out of

the hotel, we have got good quality

homes available.

Do you mind me

asking you where you will be

spending Christmas?

At home with my

elderly mother and my children.

How

many homes do you own?

I have one

main home in London.

How many do you own?

I own two, I

suppose. But where are we going with

this?

Curious.

What relevance does

it have, you know? I am in this

because I stepped up and I am

determined to help people. I don't

think that my own situation reflects

on it. I am absolutely determined to

rebuild people's lives and I will do

everything I can as a council

leader.

The reason for asking is

because as you know, you have been

criticised for being out-of-touch

with the people that you are

supposed to represent.

Well, do you

know what? I believe it's not where

you're from, it's who you're there

for and I am out there for the

people of Grenfell Tower.

Is it two

or more?

Do you know what? I have

never ever wanted to bring my

private life into politics and I'm

not going to go there.

You won't be a the memorial service

because bereaved families don't want

you to be there. What does that say

about what the community thinks of

you?

Well, I think it's perfectly

understandable for the community not

to wish to have a representative

from the council at the memorial

service and I totally respect that

and we will be paying our own

respects in the council with a

minute's silence.

What will you be

doing?

We will be gathering together

and we'll behaving a minute's

silence in the council chamber to

remember people who are at the fore

front of our minds who actually died

on that tragic night.

And do do any volunteering in your

own time to help Grenfell survivors?

All of my time, 24 hours a day is

actually working for Grenfell

survivors because I think the way

I'm best placed is to try and get

those homes and we will have 300 by

Christmas, but I'm meeting survivors

all the time, yes.

Thank you very much for talking to

us.

Thanks.

Thank you. Elizabeth

Campbell.

And on Thursday we'll be

broadcasting live from St Paul's

cathedral where a service

of commemoration will take place

to mark six months since the fire.

Self-employed workers,

freelancers or those on zero hours,

are more likely to face unwanted

sexual behaviour, according

to a survey for the BBC

on workplace harassment.

More than 6,0000 British adults

were asked about the types

More than 6,000 British adults

were asked about the types

of behaviour they'd faced

and where it happened.

The research suggests two in five

women had experienced sexual

harassment in the workplace -

for men it's one in five.

Industries like hospitality,

retail and the public sector

are said to be most at risk.

It's an issue we've covered

on the programme for some time now.

Last month we gathered together

an audience of people who'd

all experiences sexual harassment

in different industries.

So, I was working as a waitress

and bartender, it was a zero-hours

contract job, it was minimum wage

and over a period of months

I was sexually harassed

by one of my managers.

And what does that mean?

Kind of calling me sexually

derogatory names, slapping my bum,

and it culminated at one point

where he took me into a private

room where the managers

did their admin work and said,

"This is the room where we have sex

with our employees".

Let's talk to Amy Stoneman.

She is a waitress and says

she is harassed so much at work,

she wears a ring on her engagement

finger, even though

she's not engaged.

Tim Martin, the boss

of Speak In Confidence

which encourages workers

to speak out.

Welcome both of you. How many times

a week would you say you are

sexually harassed?

It would be every

single shift that I'm on. So, you

know, whether I'm working five days

or two. So you know sometimes, if

it's a match day, so you've got your

football fans, it's a lot more. If

it's, busy night out, again it's a

lot more. It generally tends to be

males from the age of 20 to 60.

All

the way up to 60?

Yes.

Is it

comments? Is it touching?

Both. I've

had worst case scenario, I have had

someone ask me to have a look at a

picture on their phone and it was a

picture of their penis. I've had

men, you know, trying to kiss my

hand which I suppose was at some

point some kind of romantic gesture,

but it's not in our society. It was

very strange. I was trying to pull

my hand away and it wasn't working.

People, you know, trying to touch my

hips, trying to move where I'm

going, called me baby. Those kind of

patronising things. It is all these

compliments of how pretty face is,

but they are talking about it with

their mates and they are 40 or 50

and it is intimidating, I'm only 20.

I've only been in this job for three

months and I haven't done anything

like it before then. So it started

from the off set.

And are you

wearing the engagement ring?

I am

now. I didn't start wearing it to

ward off men. It was my

grandmother's and I always wear a

ring on my own finger and I can't

wear two rings on one hand so I

always wore it on this one. As soon

as I started working I realised how

effective at getting rid of men.

It

works?

It really does. It is a more

advanced way of saying sorry, I have

a boyfriend I suppose. I just, you

know, kind of flash it and they

would leave me alone and I always

thought it was because men respected

men more than they kind of women and

their own rights to their bodies.

Gosh.

They see us as property and

they don't see us of property as our

own, they see us as the man owning

us. That's why I feel it is an easy

way of getting rid of them. If you

just say no, I'm not interested a

lot of time they persist and

persist.

Because they think they can

persuade you. What do you think of

what Amy had to do?

It is terrible.

We are in a terrible state. Your

survey has shown 50% women in the

workplace are harassed and of those

a quarter will feel they can raise

it. That is fundamentally wrong.

You

provide a platform which allows

employees to anonymously report,

don't you?

It enables people to do

in confidence. It let's people

anonymously contact their

management. One of the things we

found a lot of people won't raise

harassment or bullying because they

are scared of the impact on their

job and they fear they won't be

taken seriously. We give people a

route to speak to management

confidentially. Unless you know

about a problem, you can't tackle

it.

How is it going to change? How

is the culture going to change?

I

think, a few things. It's horrible

it has needed Weinstein and

Parliament to get this on the table,

but at least it is on the table.

Last week the equalities and Human

Rights Commission wrote to most of

the top businesses in the UK saying

what are your policies for sorting

sexual harassment? What are you

doing about it? And how are you

sorting it? That's a good step

forward. We have got to keep the

pressure up. As consumers we

shouldn't be dealing with businesses

that don't treat their staff

properly and put in place systems

that enable their staff to be

treated properly.

Thank you very

much, Tim. Amy, thank you for coming

in.

News and sport on the way before

10am. Before that, the weather. Here

is Lucy.

We have seen the snow. This photo

sent in by a Weather Watcher in

Buckinghamshire. A cold night

overnight last night. We saw

temperatures down to minus 12

Celsius in parts of Northumberland

and it will be a colder night still

as we go through tonight. Now, the

weather today is dominated by this

area of low pressure coming up from

the south. It will bring rain and it

could also bring snow for a time

particularly over high ground and

sleet. Here is the radar from

earlier, we have seen snow up in the

north of Scotland and that rain has

fallen at snow at times today. As we

move through the rest of today then,

it will edge its way eastwards

gradually. There will be a lot of

dry and bright weather around.

Particularly for Southern Scotland,

parts of northern England and into

Wales and central England, but

brightening up. A scattering of

showers for Northern Ireland and

parts of Northern Scotland and the

potential for a few patches of ice

on the roads. So if you are out and

about, take care. So here we are

this afternoon, at 3pm, we are

seeing the rain clearing its way

eastwards. A lot of dry and bright

weather around, but temperatures

close to freezing. A few showers

clipping coastal areas of the

south-west and Wales.

A similar Tory for northern England,

a few coastal showers, but dry and

bright with patches of ice on the

road and a scattering of showers for

Northern Ireland and Northern

Scotland. Some of those falling as

snow particularly over high ground

and in land. This evening and

overnight, the showers becoming

confined to coastal areas. We will

see lots of clear skies. We are

looking at a bitterly cold night. A

widespread frost. These are the

temperatures in towns and cities,

but rurally it will be colder than

that, a few spots getting below

minus ten Celsius.

So a very cold start to the dame

tomorrow. A few patches of freezing

fog taking their time to lift

through the morning. Plenty of

brightness, perhaps one or two

coastal showers clipping the coasts

through the morning, but it will

turn cloudier from the west with

outbreaks of rain moving in. That

could fall as snow in the north over

the hills. Again, another cold day.

That rain works its way east as we

move through Tuesday and into

Wednesday. The wind spinning around

to more of a westerly as well. That

means by the time we get to

Wednesday, it's not going to be

quite as cold. There will be more in

the way of cloud, showery outbreaks

of rain as well, but the

temperatures aren't going to be as

cold. Maximum of between three and

11 Celsius.

So a cold day today. Plenty of

brightness around apart from this

the South East and another cold day

tomorrow, with a scattering of

showers and then a little bit milder

by Wednesday.

Hello it's Monday, it's ten o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Welcome programme. Our top story

today:

Snow and ice across the UK

are causing treacherous

driving conditions.

Schools are closed, flights delayed

and thousands are without power.

The snow has stopped, but

temperatures have dropped

significantly, 450 schools closed

across Wales under around 400 homes

still without power.

Also on the programme:

Six months since the Grenfell Tower

fire, and four out of five families

are still looking for new homes.

The leader of Kensington and Chelsea

Council apologises.

I am sorry.

I'm sorry that they're in hotels

but also that they don't

want to move because they don't

trust us enough to feel

they can move before

they make a final decision.

More reaction to come to that before

11.

The boss of a large hospital

trust in London quits

accusing the Government

of unrealistic funding costs.

We will hear from him in the next

few minutes.

Good morning.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

Thanks, Victoria. Good morning.

Snow and freezing temperatures

are still causing widespread

disruption across parts of the UK.

There have been train and plane

cancellations, and drivers

are being warned that icy conditions

are making roads treacherous.

Hundreds of schools across Wales

and the Midlands will

also be closed today.

The chairman of Kings College

Hospital trust says that the trust

was struggling to cope with rising

demand and limits on spending. The

regulators are England, NHS

improvements, says the trust's

financial in performance was the

worst in the NHS. The trusted is

working to tackle the issues. Lord

Kerslake said that tough decisions

need to be made.

I don't think we

are facing up to the choice is very

well, and irony worry that in

effect, what is going to happen here

is that the NHS we know and love

will slowly but surely slip away

from us.

Because it is not getting

enough money?

Because it is not

getting the sustained level of

funding over time that it needs to

perform.

The leader of Kensington and Chelsea

council has told this programme

that she is sorry that some families

made homeless by the Grenfell Tower

fire will be in temporary

accommodation this Christmas.

Elizabeth Campbell, who took over

leadership of the council in July

after her predecessor was forced

to resign for his handling

of the aftermath of the fire, said

that the council was doing all it

could to find new homes but that it

took time to acquire

and check new properties.

We have 250, that we have exchanged

on, but remember buying your own

house, all the things that you have

to do, and double it. Because we are

doing it as a council. So fire

certificate, gas certificate,

survey, repainting, re-carpeting.

All those things take time.

Theresa May will tell MPs later

today that there is a new sense

of optimism in the Brexit talks,

after her last-minute deal aimed

at moving them to the next phase.

She will say she expects EU leaders

to agree to start talks

about future trade and security

at a summit on Thursday.

The Prime Minister will insist

she has not caved in to Brussels

over the so-called divorce bill.

Two of the so-called Chennai Six

have told this programme exclusively

they feel let down and betrayed

by the British Government

for failing to do enough to help

secure their release.

Billy Irving, Nick Dunn and four

other men have spent four years

in an Indian prison.

After years of campaigning, they won

an appeal against their convictions

last month and were given permission

to leave India.

For the last year, I believe all the

media and the families' pressure,

all the petitions put in, really

push the government, and I think the

government started to realise for

the three years previous they did

nothing. 50 tops, but nothing

happened. It was only when the media

started picking up and putting

pressure on, it was getting bigger,

it started going to international

news, is started getting bigger and

papers picking it up, I think a lot

more pressure went on. Yes, they did

start working on it then, but it was

too little, too late at that time,

and it was the lawyers that did it.

The most destructive

of the wildfires raging in southern

California has expanded

significantly, scorching an area

larger than New York City.

4,000 firefighters have been called

up to tackle flames which are now

threatening the coastal city

of Santa Barbara.

Hundreds of buildings have been

destroyed and damaged and 200,000

people have had to flee their homes.

And that's a summary of the latest

BBC News - more at 10.30.

Thank you, Annita. Here are some

messages about Grenfell. After

listening to the council leader, I

got the impression she does care,

but she doesn't know where the

survivors are coming from. I think

she needs to spend a week living in

a council tower block and experience

what life is like. You deserve

praise the keeping Grenfell in the

spotlight, it should never be

forgotten.

Karl says please don't pretend to be

outraged or suggest you are better

than the lady from Kensington

Council, because she has two herbs.

You are also middle-class and no

doubt spend more on your week's

holiday than many in that tower

earning a month to support the

family. And this, let's be real,

this woman didn't start the fire,

she didn't choose to have a huge

family in one flat. The Grenfell

community need to start being real,

and the issues need to start being

taken from real, and those people

need to start taking the expensive

free homes offered. Marion says, I'm

not happy with your intrusive

questioning, Victoria. The leader

had answered all questions politely.

And this question, why can't they

move people to a less expensive area

rather than trying to has a few in

the most expensive area of London?

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Here's some sport now with Jessica.

Good morning, Victoria.

After Manchester City's win over

neighbours Manchester United

yesterday, there was an altercation

between the two camps that led

to one of the United staff

being hit by some millk.

The 2-1 win puts City 11

points clear at the top

of the Premier League,

with United manager Jose Mourinho

admitting his team's title hopes

are now probably over.

But he was reportedly

unhappy with City's buoyant

celebrations after the match.

You saw the players rush over to the

away end to celebrate with their

fans. You saw some of the staff

tried to get Pep Guardiola involved

in those celebrations, and he

decided against it. And apparently

after the match, towards the

dressing rooms, there then was an

angry exchange between him and the

Manchester City goalkeeper Ederson.

The Manchester City dressing room

door was open, and I think it was

too much of an open door for Jose

Mourinho, he couldn't resist saying

something, and then it all kind of

erupted. There was a bit of pushing

and shoving, and as you say, this

milk was thrown, it hit a wall, it

hit one of his support staff, then

it all comes down, I think one of

the city support staff, Mikel

Arteta, has ended up with a cut. It

all comes down after a couple of

minutes, and the players were OK

afterwards, but it was all a bit

unseemly.

It was pretty eventful 34 miles away

in the Merseyside Derby.

Wayne Rooney equalising

from the penalty spot.

Liverpool remain fourth

in the Premier League table,

two points behind third-placed

Chelsea, while Everton stay tenth.

Ronnie O'Sullivan says

he could never call himself

the greatest, but he's

surely on his way.

Last night he won his sixth UK

Snooker Championship.

It means O'Sullivan has

equalled Steve Davis' tally,

and Stephen Hendry's record

of winning 18 of snooker's top

three championships.

It was 24 years ago that O'Sullivan

won his first UK Championship.