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Good morning. It's Wednesday, it's
9am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
Welcome to our programme. Ministers
are facing severe criticism over | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
what's been described as their
abject failure to tackle | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
homelessness in England.
It is two too many. The council, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:27 | |
there needs to be something done.
Why are we not looking after these | 0:00:27 | 0:00:33 | |
people? | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
We'll hear how 120,000 children
are homeless and look at the impact | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
it has on them and their education. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:48 | |
The Metropolitan Police is looking
at all ongoing cases. People in jail | 0:00:48 | 0:00:56 | |
right now, where evidence that could
have proved their innocence hasn't | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
been disclosed? I think yeah. I
mean, there is going to be you can't | 0:00:58 | 0:01:05 | |
really stop false accusations.
People do have a spiteful side and | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
when people are hurt they react in a
way but wouldn't really expect. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
We'll look at whether these
mistakes are incompetence, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
carelessness or "unconscious bias"
against alleged | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
perpetrators in rape cases. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
Plus, should fathers taking
parental leave be entitled | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
to the same level of pay as mothers
on maternity leave? | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
An employment tribunal will hear
a case this morning which argues | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
dads are discriminated against. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
If you're a dad who has taken
shared parental leave, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
how have you afforded it? | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
Hello and welcome to the programme,
we're live until 11am. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
Throughout the morning
the latest breaking news | 0:01:53 | 0:01:59 | |
and developing stories -
a head's up that later | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
the International Monetary Fund
will set out their annual review | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
of the UK economy. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
We'll bring you some of that
and we'll talk to people who are | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
spending their Christmas away
from their family. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
If that's you - do get in touch
and tell us how you'll be | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
spending your Christmas -
use the hashtag Victoria Live | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
and If you text, you will be charged
at the standard network rate. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
Our top story today. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:23 | |
The extent of homelessness
in England has been described | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
as a "national crisis"
by a committee of MPs. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
A report by the all-party
Public Accounts Committee says | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
the Government's attitude
to tackling it is | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
"unacceptably complacent". | 0:02:32 | 0:02:40 | |
The Government says it's investing
more than £1 billion | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
to help make more affordable
housing available. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
Andy Moore reports. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
This report says the problem
of homelessness has been growing | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
for years, with a number of people
in short-term accommodation | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
up by 60% since 2010. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
The MPs say there is
an unacceptable shortage | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
of realistic housing options. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
There are estimated to be 9,000
people sleeping rough | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
on the streets every night,
that's more than doubled | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
the number in 2011. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
There are a further 78,000 families
living in temporary accommodation, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
often of a poor standard,
and that includes 120,000 children. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
The committee has described
the situation as shameful. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
It's called on the Government
to focus on the supply | 0:03:14 | 0:03:21 | |
and affordability of decent housing. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:22 | |
You need to stop being
complacent about this. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
It is not enough also
to just throw money at it, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
it needs to be money that is fixing
the core root of the problem, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
that looks at why people
are homeless in the first place. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Critically you need to be
building more houses, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
yes, but they need to be
truly affordable houses. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
The committee now wants
the government to come up | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
with a strategy for tackling
the issue by the middle | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
of next year. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
Labour said this report showed
the Conservatives had caused | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
the crisis of rapidly rising
homelessness but had | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
no plans to fix it. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
The Government said homelessness
was a complex problem | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
and it was providing over £1 billion
over the next few years to help | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
deal with the issue. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
Our correspondent
Dan Johnson is here. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
What stands out from the report
then? The figures and the fact that | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
this problem has grown consistently.
9,000 people at least sleeping | 0:04:14 | 0:04:20 | |
rough, but another 78,000 households
that are part of the hidden homeless | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
problem, living somewhere, but not
having their own home and that | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
includes 120,000 children. That's a
staggering figure, but the language | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
in here about the Government's
response that does stand out, the | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
fact that the department dealing
with this apparently, the committee | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
says its approach has been
unacceptably complacent and the | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
limited action it has taken has
lacked the urgency that is needed. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
This light touch approach by the
Government, the committee says, has | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
clearly failed. The Government says
it is putting £1 billion into this. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
The Government says its homeless
reduction Act and its rough sleeping | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
taskforce will tackle this problem,
but clearly a huge issue and talked | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
a lot about at this time of year and
something that's difficult to get | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
right. We are going to talk about
children who are homeless later on. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:11 | |
Annita is in the BBC
Newsroom with a summary | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
of the rest of the day's news. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
Good morning. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
The Metropolitan Police is launching
a review of all current sex | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
offence investigations,
after the collapse of a second | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
rape case in a week. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
The prosecutions were halted
because of the late | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
disclosure of evidence. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
Scotland Yard has confirmed the same
officer was involved | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
in both investigations. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
BBC News has learnt that EU banks
will be allowed to continue | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
operating in the UK as normal
after Brexit even if | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
the European Union and Britain
fail to reach a deal. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
The plans from the Bank of England
mean that European banks operating | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
through branches in the UK will not
have to go through the expensive | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
process of creating
British subsidiaries. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
Police will continue
searching two properties, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
including a community centre,
this morning, following anti-terror | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
raids in Sheffield and Chesterfield. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
Four men have been arrested and held
over an alleged Islamist terror plot | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
that officers say could have been
carried out this Christmas. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
People forced to evacuate
their homes to allow the bomb | 0:06:03 | 0:06:12 | |
A man has admitted knocking
a cyclist off his bike | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
after the shocking incident
was captured on dash-cam. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:16 | |
This footage shows the driver swerve
towards the cyclist and knock him | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
off his bike before driving off
and leaving him lying in the road. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
30-year-old Ashley Wallace Merrett
pleaded guilty to dangerous driving, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
actual bodily harm and common
assault following the shocking | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
incident in Colchester in Essex. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:29 | |
The cyclist needed hospital
treatment but his injuries | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
were not serious. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:41 | |
British homes and businesses
will have a legal right | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
to high-speed broadband by 2020
as part of plans to improve | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
broadband speeds in rural areas. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
Under the proposals, broadband
providers will face a legal | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
requirement to provide high-speed
broadband to anyone requesting it, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
subject to a cost threshold. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
The Government has decided
to regulate the industry rather | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
than have a voluntary agreement. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:05 | |
The European Court of Justice has
decided that the taxi hailing app | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
Uber should be considered a
transport company. The ruling means | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
that the firm should be subjected to
tighter EU regulation in the | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
countries in which it operates.
Only 62% of the British population | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
will spend most of the Christmas Day
with their closest relatives a | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
survey suggests. The poll of 2,000
people by YouGov for the Stand Alone | 0:07:25 | 0:07:32 | |
charity which helps people estranged
from their families suggests 12% | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
will spend it with their partner's
immediate family and just 39% said | 0:07:36 | 0:07:41 | |
they found the day joyful. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
The BBC is to broaden its coverage
of religions, devoting more time | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
to non-Christian faiths. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:50 | |
The decision follows a review
of the Corporation's output | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
in response to claims it was out
of step with its audience. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
There will also be more religion
reflected in mainstream programming. | 0:07:55 | 0:08:05 | |
Christmas jumpers, Prosecco, all
good giftsz gifts to find out under | 0:08:05 | 0:08:11 | |
the tree. Many dog owners are
splashing out. Fiona Lamdin has been | 0:08:11 | 0:08:22 | |
finding out. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
More and more are dressing dogs
in Christmas costumes. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
Just last week, 300 dogs in jumpers
smashed a world record in London. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:33 | |
# The weather outside
is a frightful, but the fire | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
is so delightful. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
Not hugely surprising then
that we are spending | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
a lot more on them. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
Just a couple of miles across town,
much thought and planning has gone | 0:08:45 | 0:08:51 | |
in to Suki the pug's wardrobe. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
On Christmas Day she will have
three changes of clothes. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
When I was a kid my parents got me
clothes for Christmas, | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
and I was excited to wear
the clothes, going to see my family | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
on Christmas dinner,
so it is kind of the same thing. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
She is like my daughter. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
I am like, whoa, she is. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:08 | |
It is not just clothes. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
She'll have a small mountain
of presents under the tree. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
I think we spend more money
on her than on each other. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
If you come to the kitchen, there
is a section for her in the fridge. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
So you can start the day
with a mince pie, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
and your Christmas dinner. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:31 | |
You have got a choice of red or
white. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
And it seems Suki isn't alone. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
Around the corner at
the local groomers... | 0:09:35 | 0:09:36 | |
We have given her
a lovely warm bath. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
I can't keep the stock
on the shelves long enough. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
Sometimes I come in and wonder
what I am going to fill them with? | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
Let's look around for things to get
in quickly because we can't keep up. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:52 | |
I have to admit this
is a whole new world. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
I adore my dog Mouse,
but I have never bought him | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
a Christmas present before. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:58 | |
There are so many
things I could get him. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
A raincoat, socks, or even boots. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:09 | |
UK consumers are spending more every
single year on accessories for pets. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
Just over £900 million is expected
to be spent in 2017, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
that's up 16% since 2012. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
This is an ongoing shift
towards treating pets | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
much more like people. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
This really comes from
the really strong parent bond | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
between owners and pets. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
# Let it snow, let it
snow, let it snow. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
It is nice to have a puffer
jacket when it is cold. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:42 | |
I am buying my friends' a presents. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
The more that you treat
your dog like a human, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
the more likely they are to
develop behavioural problems. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:53 | |
Shall we pack your stocking? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
Many dogs across the country
will have something under the tree, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
though I am not so sure how
many of us will be | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
in matching attire! | 0:11:01 | 0:11:09 | |
Definitely some pampered pooches.
They deserve it! | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 9.30. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
I have doggy chocs and a toy for
Gracy. It is an elf with a bell on | 0:11:17 | 0:11:26 | |
and Gracy will adore it. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
Do get in touch with us
throughout the morning - | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
use the hashtag Victoria LIVE
and If you text, you will be charged | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
at the standard network rate. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:35 | |
Let's get some sport now with Holly
- and the former Wimbledon | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
champion Marion Bartoli has
announced her return | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
to tennis - that's a bit
of a surprise, isn't it? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
It has been a shock when she put
this video online last night. She | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
has been dropping a few ominous
hints on social media I think it is | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
fair to say, talking about exciting
things to come, but I don't think | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
anyone expected this. It is quite a
surprise when you consider she just | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
retired well nearly five years ago
now after a rather successful career | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
which saw her winning eight tour
titles and reached a career high | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
ranking of seventh in 2012 and then
in 2013, she fulfilled her life long | 0:12:05 | 0:12:11 | |
dream of winning Wimbledon and that
was her first Grand Slam title. So, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
it's going to be a surprise to many.
It was a surprise then when she | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
walked away from the sport in the
first place and many were quite | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
disappointed to see her retire, but
now, at the age of 33, it looks like | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
we'll get to see more of that
well-known two-handed fore hand once | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
again and she posted that video to
our Instagram last night and she | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
said she will be making her return
at the Miami Open next year. She has | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
admitted she has a lot of training
to do, but she hopes she will be | 0:12:40 | 0:12:46 | |
ready for March and she has her
sights on Wimbledon. In retirement | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
she had serious health problems,
hasn't she? That's right. And it | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
was, she made no secret of it at the
time to be honest. She revealed that | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
actually at one point she had feared
for her life and that was | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
contracting an unknown virus. It was
never really confirmed what had | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
happened, but it did cause her to
lose a dramatic amount of weight. I | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
think people were really quite
shocked when they saw her at | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
Wimbledon and she was commentating
for the BBC and she was almost | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
unrecognisable. Those images of her
looking extremely thin made | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
headlines across the world with many
people understandably concerned | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
about her health. Thankfully, since
then, she has been seen looking | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
healthier and admitted she has been
working on her gym routine and | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
eating healthier and playing more
tennis. She said in a video as well | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
last night that she has been
training in secret since October. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
Hopefully she will able to come out
more publicly and do a bit more | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
training now. She is a such a bubbly
and larger than life character. Many | 0:13:46 | 0:13:52 | |
people will be so pleased to see her
back on the tour, we are looking | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
forward to seeing her getting back
in training and looking out for her | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
in March, Victoria. Thank you very
much, Holly, thank you. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:06 | |
All of the Metropolitan Police's
current sexual offences | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
investigations are to be reviewed
after a second rape prosecution | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
collapsed because the defence
was only shown evidence helpful | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
to its case three months
after asking for it. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
The trial was due
to begin next month. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
The earlier case against
Liam Allan was halted | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
in Croydon Crown Court last week. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
He spoke to us on this programme
on Monday and told us he wouldn't be | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
surprised if there were further
cases like his. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
You can't really stop false
accusations. People do have a | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
spiteful side and when people are
hurt they react in a way that you | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
wouldn't really expect. So you know,
we rely on the procedure to find the | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
right sort of things and as far as
I'm aware if I have been through it, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
I'm not the only one, just because
I'm the one in the media. There are | 0:14:48 | 0:14:54 | |
people going through it now and you
know, that's the aim now is just | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
sort of, the procedure may need to
change in order to make sure that | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
this doesn't happen again, but for
the people that are going through it | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
now, you know, can that change?
Reviews of other cases might happen. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:09 | |
But the first step is making sure
that the procedure changes in the | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
right direction so you know what
you're looking for. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
Why do you think the police didn't
disclose those 40 thousand messages | 0:15:17 | 0:15:23 | |
which proved your innocence? I
wouldn't know why. It could be a | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
mistake. It could have been been I
haven't got the time to read 47,000 | 0:15:28 | 0:15:35 | |
messages. For me, for something this
serious and others have gone through | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
the same thing, your life's on hold.
So there isn't, I would have happily | 0:15:40 | 0:15:46 | |
waited another month if it meant
they would have read those properly | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
and this could have been avoided. It
would saved another eight or nine | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
months waiting for a trial. I think
they're under a lot of pressure, | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
given how much media pressure there
is. You don't think it was | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
malicious. I find it hard to believe
it was malicious. Thank goodness for | 0:16:05 | 0:16:11 | |
the prosecution barrister who was
insisting they should be disclosed, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
because he had been to fobbed off
and he was told there was nothing | 0:16:15 | 0:16:25 | |
relevant. I mean there is a lot of
credit in terms of, this is where I | 0:16:25 | 0:16:33 | |
consider myself lucky, the judge
handled it so well from a neutral | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
point of view and that was nice to
see, you don't feel so alone. The | 0:16:38 | 0:16:44 | |
prosecutor was very understanding in
the respect that we should have that | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
information. But I have got to give
credit to my barrister, which is | 0:16:46 | 0:16:53 | |
Julia Smart and Simone from the law
firm, their persistence and their | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
work attitude has been amazing.
There is nobody else like them for | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
me and I do owe my life to them all
equally. Liam Allan. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:12 | |
The second case involves a
25-year-old man called Isaac Itiary | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
who spent four months in jail
awaiting trial after being charged | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
with raping a child girl
under the age of 16. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
The defence asked for details
of her text messages in September, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
but they were only just
provided this week. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
They showed she regularly
posed as a 19-year-old. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
All charges were
subsequently dropped. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
We can speak now to Lord Paddick -
he is a former Deputy | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
Assistant Commissioner
of the Metropolitan Police | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
and a Liberal Democrat peer. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
He says the public would be more
reassured if the current review | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
of all rape investigations
being carried out was done | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
independently, or by another
force instead of the Met. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
Chris Henley QC is Vice Chair
of the Criminal Bar Association - | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
he believes both the Crown
Prosecution Service | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
and the police have shared
responsibilities in these failings. | 0:17:54 | 0:18:04 | |
Peter Kirkham - a former
Detective Chief Inspector | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
who spent 21 years with the Met. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
During his time he investigated many
rape cases and believes the police | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
is under huge pressure
and are not at fault. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:21 | |
Why do you say they're not at fault?
I need to make it plain, I'm not | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
saying they're not at fault in there
was nothing done wrong. What I'm | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
saying is they're not able to do
their jobs properly. They weren't | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
able to do their jobs properly in
2010. In 2010 we had about 12,000 | 0:18:33 | 0:18:40 | |
rapes a year being reported. We now
have about 48,000. And since 2010 we | 0:18:40 | 0:18:47 | |
have reduced the number of police
officers by 20,000. That is about | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
15%. If there are text messages and
what's app messages, digital media, | 0:18:51 | 0:19:05 | |
how can you as a police officer
sleep when you know you haven't | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
checked them. You can't. If you go
and speak to any police officer on | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
any of the Metropolitan Polices,
they were sapphire units, they're | 0:19:14 | 0:19:21 | |
now two units rolled together. You
speak to any officer, they're not | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
sleeping at night. They're suffering
from stress. Why aren't they | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
disclosing the messages? Because
they haven't got time to do their | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
jobs. They could disclose them. How
many officers do you think are | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
allocated to a rape inquiry on the
day it comes in. It doesn't take | 0:19:39 | 0:19:46 | |
much to disclose stuff. How many
officers do you think are allocated | 0:19:46 | 0:19:52 | |
to a rape inquiry. Tell us how many
it is now and what it used to be. If | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
I told you officers have over 20 on
going rape and serious allegations | 0:19:57 | 0:20:04 | |
on the go at once with no support
and insufficient supervision and | 0:20:04 | 0:20:10 | |
insufficient training, because you
can't train officers if they haven't | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
got time to come away from
operations, with no support and | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
budgets for things like laboratory
examinations cut. I hear that, but I | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
don't know why that would stop the
police saying to the Crown | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Prosecution Service there is a load
of messages here, let's disclose | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
them and give them the opportunity
to look at them. That is a minor | 0:20:29 | 0:20:35 | |
issue. Of course that is wrong and
in an individual case there will be | 0:20:35 | 0:20:41 | |
problems like that. This officer
will be hauled over the coals and I | 0:20:41 | 0:20:47 | |
wouldn't be surprise if they were
pushing to put him in jail. It won't | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
solve the problem. Chris Henley was
surprising, deputy of the Criminal | 0:20:51 | 0:20:57 | |
Bar Association, why are you
smiling? That is an overreaction. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
But what is important is that the
police are able to do their jobs | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
properly. Because what is at stake
is the liberty of in Liam Allan's | 0:21:06 | 0:21:12 | |
case an innocent man. Of course.
Because the investigates process was | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
not carried out effectively, his
liberty was put at risk and its | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
unacceptable. If there is a resource
problem, it falls to the officer | 0:21:21 | 0:21:26 | |
investigating the case and the Crown
Prosecution Service lawyer and the | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
barrister who stepped up in this
case to say to the judge we are not | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
ready. This is too important. Let me
ask you, Lord Paddick, is it | 0:21:34 | 0:21:41 | |
reasonable for an investigating
officer to say there is a load of | 0:21:41 | 0:21:47 | |
messages, we haven't had time, here
they are. Yes it is reasonable. What | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
is not reasonable... Being
transparent about the fact that | 0:21:52 | 0:21:57 | |
there is other evidence there. What
is not reasonable is not to look at | 0:21:57 | 0:22:02 | |
the messages and tell the defence
there is nothing to see. Or the | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
prosecution. Yes. What I'm concerned
about and why we need an independent | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
review is that the culture may have
shifted. When I did a review of rape | 0:22:11 | 0:22:17 | |
investigation in 2005 the problem
was the police didn't believe the | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
people making the allegations. Now,
my concern is and I'm not sure | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
whether it is true, that the culture
may have smifted, so -- shifted so | 0:22:24 | 0:22:33 | |
the complainant is always believed.
What the previous, what the previous | 0:22:33 | 0:22:41 | |
speaker has said is right. In that
there has been a massive increase in | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
the number of cases. There has been
a significant reduction both in | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
terms of the numbers of police
officers and the seniority of the | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
officers investigating the cases. In
the time which were in the Met it | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
was at least a detective sergeant
and now you have got constables | 0:22:59 | 0:23:05 | |
investigating these very serious
crimes. There is a question about | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
supervision of the officers and
about culture and resources. There | 0:23:08 | 0:23:13 | |
is a question about the volume of
this thing. In Liam Allan's case it | 0:23:13 | 0:23:19 | |
was over 2,000 pages of text
messages. That is a lot of stuff. As | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
it has happened twice and it is the
same investigating officer we are | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
told, what do you read into that?
Clearly there is, there may be an | 0:23:28 | 0:23:35 | |
issue with that office and an issue
with supervision of that officer. It | 0:23:35 | 0:23:42 | |
might be as the prosecution
barrister said it maybe a systemic | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
problem. I don't think we can leave
to it the police and the Crown | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
Prosecution Service to get to the
bottom of it, there needs to be an | 0:23:51 | 0:23:56 | |
independent look at this. Chris
Henley, do you, you, the chair of | 0:23:56 | 0:24:06 | |
your organisation warned unconscious
bias could be preventing the police | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
from investigating, do you agree
with that? Yes it is possible. What | 0:24:09 | 0:24:15 | |
Brian has said about the history of
the investigation of these cases is | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
right. Complaintants used to be
treated badly. Now it has gone the | 0:24:18 | 0:24:24 | |
other way. That still doesn't make
sense from a police officer's point | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
of view, you follow the evidence.
That what is should happen. An | 0:24:27 | 0:24:32 | |
allegation is made, a complaint is
made, of course the complaintant | 0:24:32 | 0:24:38 | |
should be treated with respect. But
then the allegation needs to be | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
tested and be set against what the
answer is whether ten suspect is | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
interviewed. This material was in
the possession of the police and it | 0:24:47 | 0:24:53 | |
obviously wouldn't have taken long
if it was sifted through and it | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
wasn't, because the defence
barrister sat up all night to do her | 0:24:57 | 0:25:03 | |
job, hours for which she won't be
paid, because of the cuts across the | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
system, not just the barristers, the
the courts are crumbles. The | 0:25:06 | 0:25:14 | |
inspectorate reviewed the disclosure
process and July said there were | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
fails. What would your advice be to
anybody who maybe investigating now, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:25 | |
for crimes of a sexual offence or
who may be in jail now as I was | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
putting to Liam Allan and
potentially wondering if they're a | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
victim of a miscarriage of justice.
Well it must be demoralising if | 0:25:34 | 0:25:41 | |
you're on the receiving end of this
and you feel the matter has not been | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
investigated properly. You keep
faith with your solicitor and the | 0:25:45 | 0:25:51 | |
barrister who will fight your corner
and thank goodness we have | 0:25:51 | 0:26:00 | |
independent barristers who don't
take at face value everything their | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
told and want to see the material
themselves. We have some messages | 0:26:02 | 0:26:10 | |
from people listening. Research for
the Home Office suggests only 4% of | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
cases of sexual violence reported to
the police are suspected to be | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
false. Bruce says, the police seem
to be damned if they do and damned | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
if they don't. Martin says, Liam
Allan was held under police bail | 0:26:23 | 0:26:29 | |
while they trawled for evidence.
This practice is common to | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
constitute a threat to liberty.
Another e-mail from Peter, the media | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
put pressure on the police to get
convictions in rape cases and this | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
is a way of satisfying the media
craving. Thank you all very much. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:51 | |
More on this later. Your views is
welcome. Particularly if you're | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
being investigated now for a crime
of a sexual offences nature. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:06 | |
A man who threw acid across a packed
London nightclub injuring 22 people | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
has been jailed for 20 years. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
Arthur Collins, the ex-boyfriend
of reality TV star Ferne McCann, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
admitted throwing the liquid but had
claimed he believed | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
it was a date rape drug. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
Last month he was found guilty
of five counts of GBH with intent | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
and nine counts of ABH. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
This CCTV footage shows
the moment of the attack - | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
Collins had claimed in court he had
taken the bottle from a group | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
of men with whom he had
got into an argument. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
He said he snatched it thinking
it was a date rape drug. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
"I wanted to show them
the drug was gone; show them | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
there was nothing
left in the bottle." | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
But the jury didn't believe his
defence and on sentencing | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
the judge told him:
defence and on sentencing | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
A total of 22 people were injured
as a result of the attack, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
16 of whom suffered serious burns. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
Victims who read impact
statements to the court spoke | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
of feeling "scared",
"traumatised" and "suicidal" | 0:28:23 | 0:28:24 | |
as a result of the attack. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:33 | |
One victim was Lauren Trent. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
For me, it doesn't
change what happened. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
It sets a standard for anyone out
there thinking about throwing acid, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
especially a Ph1 acid over
another human being. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
I think it's the fear
of the unknown. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
That night there was nothing to
indicate what was about to happen. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
I was in a nightclub,
a place I should have been safe. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
It was my 22nd birthday. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
My birthday is now an anniversary
of an acid attack. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
I didn't walk in there with scars. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
I'm now fearful of
people I don't know. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
If a commotion breaks out,
the first thing that now | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
goes through my head is,
are they going to throw acid? | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
Something I would like to think
would not affect my life, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
but it has affected my thoughts
and actions and it | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
will from this day on. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:15 | |
Perhaps about where I stand
in a club, perhaps what I do | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
when a fight breaks out. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:19 | |
I would like to think I'm stronger
than that and I would like to think | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
his actions will not get to me
and I would like to think I'm | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
moving on with my life. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
But today, I would say
I'm not the Laura I was | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
when I walked into Mangle. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:36 | |
Joining me is Andreas Christopheros. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:37 | |
Three years ago, he survived
being doused in sulphuric acid. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:44 | |
Thank you for talking to us. How do
you react to this 20-year sentence? | 0:29:44 | 0:29:52 | |
I spent st last year campaigning for
tougher sentences. I believe anyone | 0:29:52 | 0:30:00 | |
who commits an acid attack should be
facing life with a minimum term of | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
20 years. Now we have got to the 20
year point that seems like a great | 0:30:04 | 0:30:10 | |
achievement, but I still would have
like to see life. Life is reserved | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
for people who are a danger to
society and Arthur Collins is | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
obviously a dangerous man. What
happened to your attacker? My | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
attacker was originally sentenced to
life with a minimum term of eight | 0:30:24 | 0:30:29 | |
years. Reappealed the sentence. The
eight years was not long enough. We | 0:30:29 | 0:30:35 | |
were told the judge acted fairly and
it was in line with case line and | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
our appeal was not granted. But
unbeknown to us, my attacker | 0:30:40 | 0:30:46 | |
appealed the life aspect of the
sentence of which his appeal got | 0:30:46 | 0:30:52 | |
granted to the court. So shortly
after the sentence we went to the | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
High Court in London where three of
highest ranking judges in the land | 0:30:57 | 0:31:03 | |
deemed David Phillips not to be a
dangerous man and lifted life are | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
the sentence, shortening his
sentence to 16 years of which he | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
will only serve eight, that is five
years from now. I have passed the | 0:31:11 | 0:31:17 | |
three year anniversary of the
attack. In five years I will still | 0:31:17 | 0:31:25 | |
be having surgery and I will wear
the scars for the rest of my life. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:36 | |
Tell our audience what happened to
you? It was December, 9th 2014, I | 0:31:36 | 0:31:42 | |
opened my door to an unknown man,
assuming it was a courier in the | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
run-up to Christmas. We have people
coming and going from the house on a | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
regular basis and I opened the door
confidently as I would normally and | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
I received a beaker of sulphuric
acid to my face. It was a large | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
amount. About over a pint. I think
that's why my injuries are full | 0:31:59 | 0:32:06 | |
facial and more severe. It was a
case of mistaken identity. He was | 0:32:06 | 0:32:13 | |
trying to target someone who lived
close to me. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
I got rushed to hospital and I
started my recovery from there. And | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
what do you think of campaigners who
want restrictions on the easy | 0:32:22 | 0:32:29 | |
availability of acid effectively?
Restrictions, it was it has been too | 0:32:29 | 0:32:38 | |
easy to buy sulphuric acid. Amber
Rudd stood up at the Tory Party | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
conference and made it clear they
will put an age restriction on | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
sulphuric acid which seems
ludicrous. You would have thought it | 0:32:46 | 0:32:51 | |
would have been restricted by age.
So that was a step in the right | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
direction. Shortly she came forward
with the two strike policy for | 0:32:54 | 0:33:02 | |
anyone carrying acids, if you are
caught carrying acid, it is six | 0:33:02 | 0:33:08 | |
months inside, twice. One bit of
legislation that legislation that I | 0:33:08 | 0:33:14 | |
have been pushing for is to take
acid from its original bottle. Acid | 0:33:14 | 0:33:21 | |
is sold in marked bottles. It would
be an easy law to implement make to | 0:33:21 | 0:33:28 | |
sure it can't be put into anything
else. If someone is caught carrying | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
a squirty bottle of acid then they
should be automatically face six | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
months inside.
Thank you for talking to us. We | 0:33:36 | 0:33:41 | |
appreciate your time. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:48 | |
Should fathers taking parental leave
be entitled to the same level of pay | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
as mothers on maternity leave? We
will be talking to some dads about | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
their experiences and we're keen to
hear from you as well. The festive | 0:33:56 | 0:34:01 | |
season sees us bombarded with
festive family cheer, but a third of | 0:34:01 | 0:34:07 | |
us will be spending Christmas
without a family member. Tell us | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
what you're doing on Christmas Day. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
Time for the latest
news, here's Annita. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
The BBC News headlines this morning. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
The Government is being accused
of "abject failure" in its attempt | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
to tackle homelessness in England. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
A damning report by the all-party
Public Accounts Committee says | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
the issue has become
a national crisis. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
The government says it's investing
more than £1 billion to help make | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
more affordable housing available. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:35 | |
The Metropolitan Police is launching
a review of all its current sex | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
offence investigations
after the collapse of a second | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
rape case in a week. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
The prosecutions were halted
because of the late disclosure | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
of digital evidence. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:46 | |
Scotland Yard has confirmed the same
detective was involved | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
in both investigations. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
in both investigations. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
BBC News has learnt that EU banks
will be allowed to continue | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
operating in the UK as normal
after Brexit even if | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
the European Union and Britain
fail to reach a deal. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
The plans from the Bank of England
mean that European banks operating | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
through branches in the UK will not
have to go through the expensive | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
process of creating
British subsidiaries. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:16 | |
A man has admitted knocking
a cyclist off his bike | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
after the shocking incident
was captured on dash-cam. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
This footage shows the driver swerve
towards the cyclist and knock him | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
off his bike before driving off
and leaving him lying in the road. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
30-year-old Ashley Wallace Merrett
pleaded guilty to dangerous driving, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
actual bodily harm and common
assault following the shocking | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
incident in Colchester in Essex. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
The cyclist needed hospital
treatment, but his injuries | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
were not serious. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
An employment tribunal will hear
a landmark case on whether firms | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
which offer enhanced maternity pay
to women can give only a statutory | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
minimum to their male
employees when they take | 0:35:54 | 0:35:55 | |
shared parental leave. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
The outsourcing company Capita
appealed against an earlier ruling | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
that it discriminated
against a new father. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:02 | |
Shared parental leave was introduced
more than two years ago but take up | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
rates are lower than 10%. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:11 | |
The BBC is to broaden its coverage
of religions, devoting more time | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
to non-Christian faiths. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
The decision follows a review
of the Corporation's output | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
in response to claims it was out
of step with its audience. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
There will also be more religion
reflected in mainstream programming. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:30 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
Here's some sport now with Holly. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
Birmingham is set to be named as the
host of the 2022 Commonwealth Games. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
They were the only city to bid
before the original deadline, but | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
the proposal was deemed to be not
fully compliant and the deadline was | 0:36:43 | 0:36:51 | |
extended, but they have won the
right to stage the event. Manchester | 0:36:51 | 0:36:56 | |
City talk of four trophies. They are
through to the semi-finals, but the | 0:36:56 | 0:37:01 | |
manager has dismissed talk of a
quadruple insisting it's | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
unrealistic. Marion Bartoli Has
announced her return to tennis. She | 0:37:05 | 0:37:14 | |
retired four years ago, but she will
be back for the Miami Open in March. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:22 | |
Ben Duckett has been told he won't
take part in the England Lions Tour | 0:37:22 | 0:37:27 | |
to the West Indies next year. He
with-suspended for pouring a drink | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
over James Anderson's head in a
Perth bar. More in the next half an | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
hour. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
It's that time of year when we're
bombarded with pictures and videos | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
of the perfect Christmas,
but if we're honest we know it's not | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
like that for a lot of people -
and seeing everyone pretending it's | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
perfect can actually be pretty hard. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
A new survey by a charity
which works with people who are | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
estranged from their families
suggests that only two | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
out of three of us
in Britain will spend most | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
of Christmas Day with our immediate
family. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
Our reporter Catrin Nye spoke
to three people who don't have | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
contact with their family
about Christmas when it's | 0:38:02 | 0:38:02 | |
It is portrayed as the perfect
situation, isn't it? | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
With the family sitting
around the Christmas tree, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
and reality is starker. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
I remember last Christmas,
there wasn't even | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
that noise of the door being opened,
and I just felt so unwanted, and | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
I felt as though everyone has
someone or somewhere, and I didn't | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
have that. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:39 | |
I was very upset, and I just
stayed in my room, pretty | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
much, cried all day. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:42 | |
Farah has no contact
with any of her family. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
She grew up with just
her mum, but has | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
not spoken to her at
all for two years now. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
And lives in another
city at university. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
She didn't want to
use her real name. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:57 | |
When her friends go
home for Christmas, she | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
is left alone. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
This year, although I will still be
in the same building, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:11 | |
I just aim not to be upset, really,
and just treat like a normal day. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
Just spent the day with music
playing or something, so that I can | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
overcome the fear of silence. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
Yeah, the gulf is massive. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:28 | |
The idea that is represented in TV
programmes and ads and | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
the actual reality of
people's real lives. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
Christmas then becomes even
more of a contradiction. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
It's portrayed as the
perfect situation, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:36 | |
isn't it, with the family sitting
around the Christmas tree, and | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
reality is starker. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
David Wilson does have contact
with some of his family. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
He is also married, and so,
not completely alone, but he says | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
at Christmas he is reminded more
than ever of the family that he | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
doesn't get to see. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
With my youngest son,
who is now living in | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
Spain, there is a problem there,
in that I don't see him | 0:40:01 | 0:40:08 | |
or my grandson, actually,
so, I've got a grandson | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
aged three who I don't see. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
I am quite unable to
explain it, because | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
nobody has ever told me. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
The lines went dead. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
So, you just really
don't fully know? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
No. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:33 | |
I'm not in contact with my mum. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
I sent her an e-mail
basically saying that I | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
didn't want to have
contact with her any more. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
My younger brother didn't really
want to talk to me after that. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
I haven't spoken to my dad in years. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
Because my parents got divorced
when I was seven and he | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
lives in Manchester,
and doesn't have an address. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:59 | |
Like, because it's the end
of term now, people will be | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
asking me, when are you going home? | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
And I kind of just say, I'm not. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
I just avoid telling people
about my situation just | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
because I fear of having any
insensitive comments | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
being said to me. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:17 | |
How can your mother not
love you or why can't | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
you two just patch up? | 0:41:19 | 0:41:20 | |
Everyone does have the
assumption that a mother | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
loves her child, but, there
are unfortunately some exceptions | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
to that. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
Tell me about your
grandson at Christmas. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:28 | |
Yeah. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
I give him a present every
Christmas and birthday. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
So that's two a year. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
And I put them in a box. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
That's enough. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
One day, he'll know that
I did care enough to get | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
him those things, yeah. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
So, I think it has meaning
for me, and it has | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
meaning for him. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
You'll see all the pictures
on Facebook of people with | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
their families and big
piles of presents. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
I think, it's just weird
being different to everyone else | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
around you because there's nothing
on the TV, really, about not | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
spending Christmas with your family. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
Like, it's just kind
of expected that you go... | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
It's just all very, like, positive. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
Nobody's really saying Christmas
can be hard for people. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
I have two sisters
who I am close to. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:36 | |
A selfish thing to say,
because it that she quite difficult | 0:42:36 | 0:42:42 | |
for me to sit with my sister
and say, "How's your grandson?" | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
Because I know he's
fine, and I'm not. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
So, there's an element of that. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
When I was growing up
it was weird, anyway. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
Because, like, we would have
quite a small Christmas, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
and so I would cook the Christmas
dinner and wrapped my | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
own presents, and my brother's
presents and do a lot of the | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
Christmas shopping, as well. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:03 | |
Amy now spends Christmas
with her boyfriend's | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
family, a new family. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:06 | |
It does feel like I'm tagging
onto somebody else's family | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
Christmas a lot of the time. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:15 | |
I get some presents
there that I don't | 0:43:15 | 0:43:16 | |
know about from my boyfriend's
family, because they're lovely. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
I have the Christmas dinners that
I don't have to cook it's wonderful, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
really. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:23 | |
So, I kind of consider
them my family, now. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
Sometimes I just like to observe
festive happy people. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
It makes me think that one day,
when I start my own family, I | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
want to be like that. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
Insofar as I can sit
in the chair and give anyone | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
advise, is, it's go out and do
something with yourself, and expand | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
your family. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
In every way. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:40 | |
Whether its books,
music, good friends... | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
Family doesn't just
have to be biological. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:49 | |
Christmas is definitely a time
where I feel that I need to be loved | 0:43:49 | 0:43:53 | |
and the longer you are a strange,
the more desperate | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
you become for love. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:56 | |
I would much rather spend Christmas
with my boyfriend's family and feel | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
a bit out of place,
than try and fit into | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
a normal family Christmas and just
find the whole thing horrible. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
Because it's meant
to be a nice time. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:12 | |
Sarah says, "I love being on my own.
Alone does not equal lonely." Rosie | 0:44:19 | 0:44:24 | |
on Facebook says, "I will be working
this Christmas. I don't mind. I like | 0:44:24 | 0:44:29 | |
working Christmas and I like making
sure the patients get fed on the | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
wards. Those who people who don't
get home for Christmas and new work | 0:44:32 | 0:44:37 | |
and I will see my family after
work." Pam says, "Christmas has the | 0:44:37 | 0:44:42 | |
same effect on me as Mother's Day
and father's day. My family live in | 0:44:42 | 0:44:50 | |
Australia. It is another day of
housework, charity work, etcetera. I | 0:44:50 | 0:44:55 | |
wish it wasn't commercial." Ian
says, "I must be the only one happy | 0:44:55 | 0:45:00 | |
on my own for the first time this
Christmas because I can watch | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
whatever I want on TV." | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
Really keen to hear
from you this morning - | 0:45:07 | 0:45:16 | |
if you're spending Christmas
without your family - | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
do get in touch and tell
us what you're doing. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
Coming up: | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
We will be talking to a fisherman. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:28 | |
Should new dads who want to take
time off to look after their baby be | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
entitled to the same pay as women
taking maternity leave? | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
That's the question that is due
to be answered by an employment | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
tribunal in an appeal hearing
that opens today. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
The case is the first
of its kind by a man under | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
Shared Parental Leave laws -
which came into force | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
three years ago. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:45 | |
Shared Parental Leave gives parents
the right to split their leave | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
between mum and dad,
but some companies pay mothers | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
an enhanced maternity payment whilst
dad get the statutory minimum. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
Perhaps that explains why take
up rates are pitifully | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
low, at lower than 10%. | 0:45:55 | 0:46:00 | |
In a moment we'll be
talking to some dads, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
but first let's speak to our legal
eagle, Clive Coleman. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
Let's talk now to some dads
who have taken advantage | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
of shared parental leave and one
who wanted to, but says | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
the system is unfair. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:16 | |
Tom Higham is in Salford,
Josh Lawson joins us | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
from Chester and with me
here is Simon Knee. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
Hi Josh. Hi. Here is Simon. Lucas
was two last month. He is around. He | 0:46:21 | 0:46:31 | |
will join us when he feels like it.
Tom, the issue is maternity pay is | 0:46:31 | 0:46:39 | |
generally higher than shared
parental leave. How much higher. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
That is part of it, but mothers get
90% of full pay for several weeks at | 0:46:42 | 0:46:49 | |
the start of pregnancy, at the
beginning of having a child, while | 0:46:49 | 0:46:55 | |
we are not advocating for lower pay
for mothers, we're advocating for | 0:46:55 | 0:47:02 | |
equal rights to men who take
paternalty leave. If you want to | 0:47:02 | 0:47:08 | |
create a balanced family and economy
and all of the positives that ensues | 0:47:08 | 0:47:13 | |
for the child and the family and the
work place, you have to make an | 0:47:13 | 0:47:18 | |
effort to make pay more equal in a
society and in a country where there | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
is a still a huge gender pay gap,
17% or 19%, and also a situation | 0:47:22 | 0:47:32 | |
where mothers are given incentives
not to work and fathers making a | 0:47:32 | 0:47:37 | |
decision as a family, a father going
out to work is more likely to bring | 0:47:37 | 0:47:42 | |
in more money. It is important for
children and fathers and families | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
and the economy if we make some
proper efforts to equalise how | 0:47:47 | 0:47:52 | |
parenting works. Does it seem
extraordinary that mums and dads | 0:47:52 | 0:47:57 | |
don't have equal rights on this? Yes
what frustrate us the narrative, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:05 | |
particularly from the Conservative
Government is we offered shared | 0:48:05 | 0:48:10 | |
parental leave, but dads are not
taking it up. I read just 1%. It is | 0:48:10 | 0:48:17 | |
not the full story. Dads don't take
it down because statutory is £139 a | 0:48:17 | 0:48:25 | |
week. And if a dad is on a higher
salary, you won't be able to afford. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:35 | |
It is not true they don't want to
take parental leave. There a swathe | 0:48:35 | 0:48:41 | |
of fathers who want to engage more
in their children's upbringing. Josh | 0:48:41 | 0:48:46 | |
you are one of those dads, what has
it meant to you to be off work with | 0:48:46 | 0:48:52 | |
your son. It is critical to get that
time to bond. I have always wanted | 0:48:52 | 0:49:00 | |
to be a dad, I wouldn't have had a
clue without those early months to | 0:49:00 | 0:49:05 | |
bond and I'm in a privileged
position where I knew about shared | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
parental leave and could take
advantage of it in work, I think the | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
company was... They gave you full
pay for 22 weeks? Yes for the | 0:49:13 | 0:49:23 | |
entirety of my time off. 22 weeks
and further few weeks for standard | 0:49:23 | 0:49:32 | |
parental paternity. If one of us had
to go back to work, it must be my | 0:49:32 | 0:49:38 | |
partner. Simon, Lucas will hopefully
just us at some point. Your issue is | 0:49:38 | 0:49:45 | |
different, your wife is free lance,
what were the issues that came up | 0:49:45 | 0:49:50 | |
for you? My company were helpful and
supported me in taking shared | 0:49:50 | 0:49:58 | |
parental leave and itself was good
too take it in blocks. But I had to | 0:49:58 | 0:50:06 | |
do it at the end of period when he
was nine months old. Why did you | 0:50:06 | 0:50:12 | |
have to do it at the end? With my
wife being self-employed she gets a | 0:50:12 | 0:50:20 | |
maternity allowance, but that stops
and you can't mix and match with | 0:50:20 | 0:50:28 | |
your partner so one person has a
month off and then the other. For | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
family finance reasons, the only way
to work it work was for Olga to look | 0:50:32 | 0:50:37 | |
after him for the first nine months
and then I could in the last three | 0:50:37 | 0:50:42 | |
months of year take my shared
parental pay. Do you think you | 0:50:42 | 0:50:49 | |
missed out? Yes because those early
months are important and I valued | 0:50:49 | 0:50:53 | |
the time that I had. The other thing
was I could see my wife being | 0:50:53 | 0:50:58 | |
self-employed at that time getting
stressed out with those nine months, | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
because she didn't know if she was
going to have clients to come back | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
to. But it wasn't a choice we had to
work out what way we could make it | 0:51:05 | 0:51:11 | |
work for our family. Tom, the
employment appeals tribunal will | 0:51:11 | 0:51:18 | |
hear this appeal to determine
whether bosses have to pay fathers | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
the same as they would pay a work
taking maternity leave. What do you | 0:51:22 | 0:51:27 | |
think is going to be outcome? On the
face of it it seems to be straight | 0:51:27 | 0:51:33 | |
forward discrimination? Yes it is, I
feel conflicted, because the odds | 0:51:33 | 0:51:39 | |
are stacked against women in the
work place in many ways across the | 0:51:39 | 0:51:45 | |
economy and across the demographics,
if you want to address the way | 0:51:45 | 0:51:51 | |
families work and societies work and
the economy works, why not equalise | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
it? And take, we always quote the
statistics and anecdotes from | 0:51:55 | 0:52:03 | |
northern Europe and in Sweden where
they have a situation that there is | 0:52:03 | 0:52:08 | |
a use it or lose it access to full
paid parental leave, so a family | 0:52:08 | 0:52:14 | |
unit gets access to incredible
rights, if you use it you get access | 0:52:14 | 0:52:19 | |
f you don't, you don't. It
incentivizes men to get involved | 0:52:19 | 0:52:26 | |
with their family and for woman not
to disenage from work. So surely and | 0:52:26 | 0:52:35 | |
hopefully everything crossed that
today comes back with the right | 0:52:35 | 0:52:39 | |
verdict. Josh, let me put this to
you a tweet from somebody watching, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:45 | |
why should employers pay for your
family? Put yourself in that | 0:52:45 | 0:52:51 | |
situation, everybody needs that
time, it is unfair for a man, a male | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
not to have that time to bond, the
female does the hard work in the | 0:52:55 | 0:53:01 | |
pregnancy. I don't they they are
saying, but why should your boss's | 0:53:01 | 0:53:11 | |
company pay for that. My boss is a
father himself he would would put | 0:53:11 | 0:53:19 | |
himself in that scenario. It is down
to a human. It is something that | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
gets overlooked, we know about the
importance of the bond with the | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
baby, but Tom alluded to the fact
that you need to be there to support | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
your partner as well. Me and my
partner are first time parents and | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
there was some small complications
and she needed that support and it | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
was amazing for me to be there to
offer that support at that time. But | 0:53:40 | 0:53:45 | |
I mean looking at from it a human
perspective as opposed to a business | 0:53:45 | 0:53:51 | |
perspective. People need that time.
Let me read this message from Katie, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:59 | |
another consideration is maternity
and paternity leave when your baby | 0:53:59 | 0:54:06 | |
is born prematurely. I spent the
first few months travelling to | 0:54:06 | 0:54:11 | |
hospital and missed three months of
normal maternity leave. All the | 0:54:11 | 0:54:16 | |
while my partner had to go back to
work, knowing his baby was in | 0:54:16 | 0:54:22 | |
hospital. This should be reviewed on
a more individual basis. Thank you | 0:54:22 | 0:54:30 | |
for coming in with your boys and
have a lovely Christmas. Thank you. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:37 | |
Next: The footballer Sol Campbell
believes he experienced a | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
life-changing moment when he became
a teenager. That gave him the | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
determination to become one koft
country's most successful players | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
and he has gone back to London to
inspire children there to look for | 0:54:49 | 0:54:53 | |
their own moment. You all right?
Good. How's things. Good. Here we | 0:54:53 | 0:55:03 | |
go. Robert, long, time. Must be
what? 30 years? Yeah. It must be at | 0:55:03 | 0:55:12 | |
least 30 mans. This man what a
player. Obviously you didn't fulfil | 0:55:12 | 0:55:17 | |
your dreams at the time. Because you
was a exceptional player. Years ago | 0:55:17 | 0:55:23 | |
I grew up in the same area
obviously. You know the temptations | 0:55:23 | 0:55:29 | |
that were there. Went out, done the
wrong things, wrong attitude. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:34 | |
I think you know sometimes you have
got to say, when does it kick in? | 0:55:41 | 0:55:47 | |
When does that you know... That
light turns on. When does that | 0:55:47 | 0:55:54 | |
lightning bolt hit you. My moment
was when I said to myself, there is | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
too many people in my house. No
space. Who wants to be a footballer? | 0:55:58 | 0:56:05 | |
Me. Me. Do you think it is easy? No.
You have to work hard. You have to | 0:56:05 | 0:56:12 | |
work hard? Obviously. Really?
Obviously. Yeah. If I left work... | 0:56:12 | 0:56:21 | |
If you work hard do you think it
always comes. No sometimes you get | 0:56:21 | 0:56:26 | |
let down. My family were looking to
where is the next pound coming from, | 0:56:26 | 0:56:33 | |
the food on the table, people
haven't got time to worry about how | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
you are feeling or whatever. It is
about get some money, because we | 0:56:37 | 0:56:42 | |
have got to pay the bills. Why do
you think I kind of you know made | 0:56:42 | 0:56:48 | |
it, it is just discipline or just
determination or I don't know. Many | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
people didn't have the talent I had
went on, had the right attitude, | 0:56:52 | 0:56:57 | |
worked hard and became a
professional. I believe you wanted | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
it. You wanted it more. And you had
ability. You don't make it unless | 0:57:01 | 0:57:06 | |
you have ability to start with. But
you have to have the right attitude. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:11 | |
I done the first trial at QPR and
the first atroe turf pitch, I had to | 0:57:11 | 0:57:20 | |
borrow the AstroTurf boots, played
on the pitch, score ed two wells and | 0:57:20 | 0:57:28 | |
Bobby Robson was in the office at
the last trial and he asked me, why | 0:57:28 | 0:57:33 | |
have you been thrown out of three
schools in three years? I didn't | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
have an answer and I begged the man
to say if you take me away from | 0:57:37 | 0:57:43 | |
where I am and give me a chance and
three weeks later I get the answer. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:50 | |
I believe Andy Cole got picked over
me. I think I grew up in that moment | 0:57:50 | 0:57:54 | |
and it became the norm. It is only
when you step out of the norm that | 0:57:54 | 0:58:00 | |
you were under severe pressure at an
Airlie age in your -- an early age | 0:58:00 | 0:58:05 | |
in your life. That was Sol Campbell
returning to his roots. No I the | 0:58:05 | 0:58:10 | |
weather. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:10 | |
returning to his roots. No I the
weather. We have a cloudy day for | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
many parts with some misty and foggy
conditions this morning and our | 0:58:15 | 0:58:20 | |
weather watchers have been taking
picture of the fog. The first one | 0:58:20 | 0:58:24 | |
here if we can run this, bear with
me. That one there in | 0:58:24 | 0:58:30 | |
Buckinghamshire, a lot of fog. And
fog in the South West. But it is not | 0:58:30 | 0:58:34 | |
foggy for all of us. We have got
some brighter skies. Mainly in the | 0:58:34 | 0:58:39 | |
northern half of the UK. In Stirling
some blue skies is. Maybe some cloud | 0:58:39 | 0:58:45 | |
here later. But it will stay largely
dry in Scotland and Northern | 0:58:45 | 0:58:50 | |
Ireland. Some showers in the far
north-west of Scotland. Elsewhere in | 0:58:50 | 0:58:54 | |
England and Wales cloudy and still
some misty conditions. But it is | 0:58:54 | 0:59:01 | |
mild. Temperatures about nine, 10,
11, 12 Celsius. Still some mist and | 0:59:01 | 0:59:10 | |
fog patches lingering. In the higher
ground of Wales and north-west | 0:59:10 | 0:59:16 | |
England still some fog. For Scotland
and Northern Ireland, here some | 0:59:16 | 0:59:21 | |
brighter skies. Temperatures lower
at nine to 12 degrees. Wednesday | 0:59:21 | 0:59:26 | |
evening will continue to see a lot
of cloud and still some mist and fog | 0:59:26 | 0:59:30 | |
in parts of England and Wales.
Perhaps becoming more extensive into | 0:59:30 | 0:59:34 | |
the early hours of Thursday morning.
And rain spreading north across | 0:59:34 | 0:59:38 | |
Northern Ireland into north-west
England, Wales and the south-east of | 0:59:38 | 0:59:41 | |
England. Further north temperatures
down to four degrees. For many still | 0:59:41 | 0:59:47 | |
a mild night. And milder conditions
continuing on Thursday. The cloudier | 0:59:47 | 0:59:54 | |
skies associated with the weather
front. Some rain in Northern Ireland | 0:59:54 | 0:59:58 | |
into the south of Scotland. The far
north-east of Scotland having | 0:59:58 | 1:00:02 | |
brighter skies, but for most not a
great deal of change. Lots of grey | 1:00:02 | 1:00:09 | |
skies, misty and foggy conditions
and temperatures into double | 1:00:09 | 1:00:12 | |
figures. This system is with on
Friday and shifts a bit. And the | 1:00:12 | 1:00:19 | |
rain just shifting a bit. So not a
great deal of change. Still under | 1:00:19 | 1:00:24 | |
the influence of high pressure. For
Friday, again lots of cloud, some | 1:00:24 | 1:00:30 | |
rain across Wales. A lot of that
will clear. A few bright spells. But | 1:00:30 | 1:00:35 | |
again temperatures up into double
figures for many and in the run up | 1:00:35 | 1:00:39 | |
to Christmas, it will stay mild, a
lot of cloud and still mist and fog | 1:00:39 | 1:00:45 | |
and some rain in the far north. But
it gets more interesting from | 1:00:45 | 1:00:49 | |
Christmas Day onwards. | 1:00:49 | 1:00:52 | |
Hello.
It's Wednesday. | 1:00:52 | 1:00:54 | |
It's 10am.
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 1:00:54 | 1:01:03 | |
Today, homeless has been described
as a national crisis. | 1:01:03 | 1:01:11 | |
It is two too many. The council,
there needs to be something done. | 1:01:11 | 1:01:16 | |
Why are we not looking after these
guys? That's two too many and there | 1:01:16 | 1:01:20 | |
are still people on the street right
now. | 1:01:20 | 1:01:24 | |
We'll hear how 120,000 children
are homeless and look at the impact | 1:01:24 | 1:01:27 | |
it has on them and their education. | 1:01:27 | 1:01:29 | |
A fishery with sign banning Polish
and "Eastern bloc" anglers is facing | 1:01:29 | 1:01:32 | |
possible legal action. | 1:01:32 | 1:01:37 | |
There are different ways to deal
with the matter, not banning the | 1:01:37 | 1:01:42 | |
whole community or the whole country
anglers from a fishery. | 1:01:42 | 1:01:47 | |
The farmer says he is standing up
for his rights. The full interview | 1:01:47 | 1:01:50 | |
in the next half an hour. | 1:01:50 | 1:01:57 | |
And 3.5 million people will spend
most of Christmas Day alone | 1:01:57 | 1:02:00 | |
this year in the UK. | 1:02:00 | 1:02:01 | |
We'll be talking about loneliness
during the festive period. | 1:02:01 | 1:02:04 | |
Let me know what you're doing. | 1:02:04 | 1:02:06 | |
Good morning. | 1:02:06 | 1:02:07 | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom
with a summary of today's news. | 1:02:07 | 1:02:11 | |
Good morning. | 1:02:11 | 1:02:13 | |
The Government is being accused
of "abject failure" in its attempt | 1:02:13 | 1:02:16 | |
to tackle homelessness in England. | 1:02:16 | 1:02:17 | |
A damning report by the all-party
Public Accounts Committee says | 1:02:17 | 1:02:19 | |
the issue has become
a national crisis. | 1:02:19 | 1:02:25 | |
The Government says it's investing
more than £1 billion to help make | 1:02:25 | 1:02:27 | |
more affordable housing available. | 1:02:27 | 1:02:32 | |
The Metropolitan Police is launching
a review of all its current sex | 1:02:32 | 1:02:35 | |
offence investigations
after the collapse of a second | 1:02:35 | 1:02:37 | |
rape case in a week. | 1:02:37 | 1:02:38 | |
The prosecutions were halted
because of the late disclosure | 1:02:38 | 1:02:41 | |
of digital evidence. | 1:02:41 | 1:02:42 | |
Scotland Yard has confirmed the same
detective was involved | 1:02:42 | 1:02:44 | |
in both investigations. | 1:02:44 | 1:02:48 | |
In 2010 we had about 12,000 rapes
a year being reported. | 1:02:48 | 1:02:50 | |
We now have about 48,000. | 1:02:50 | 1:02:53 | |
And since 2010 we've reduced
the number of police officers around | 1:02:53 | 1:02:56 | |
the country by 20,000 -
that's about 15%. | 1:02:56 | 1:03:02 | |
The European Court of Justice has
decided that the taxi hailing app, | 1:03:02 | 1:03:05 | |
Uber, should legally be considered
a transport company rather | 1:03:05 | 1:03:07 | |
than a digital services provider. | 1:03:07 | 1:03:09 | |
The ruling will mean that the firm
should be subjected to local | 1:03:09 | 1:03:12 | |
licensing laws in the countries
in which it operates. | 1:03:12 | 1:03:17 | |
The Government says it'll pass
legislation to ensure all British | 1:03:17 | 1:03:19 | |
homes and businesses can demand
access to high-speed broadband. | 1:03:19 | 1:03:21 | |
Ministers are to force BT,
which owns much of the UK's | 1:03:21 | 1:03:24 | |
telecoms infrastructure,
to provide connections | 1:03:24 | 1:03:26 | |
offering speeds of up to ten
megabits-per-second by 2020. | 1:03:26 | 1:03:34 | |
Police are continuing
to search two properties, | 1:03:34 | 1:03:35 | |
including a community centre,
this morning, following anti-terror | 1:03:35 | 1:03:37 | |
raids in Sheffield and Chesterfield. | 1:03:37 | 1:03:42 | |
Four men have been arrested and held
over an alleged Islamist terror plot | 1:03:42 | 1:03:45 | |
that officers say could have been
carried out this Christmas. | 1:03:45 | 1:03:48 | |
People forced to evacuate
their homes to allow the bomb | 1:03:48 | 1:03:50 | |
squad to investigate,
have now been allowed to return. | 1:03:50 | 1:03:55 | |
A man has admitted knocking
a cyclist off his bike | 1:03:56 | 1:03:59 | |
after the shocking incident
was captured on dash-cam. | 1:03:59 | 1:04:01 | |
This footage shows the driver swerve
towards the cyclist and knock him | 1:04:01 | 1:04:04 | |
off his bike before driving off
and leaving him lying in the road. | 1:04:04 | 1:04:07 | |
30-year-old Ashley Wallace Merrett
pleaded guilty to dangerous driving, | 1:04:07 | 1:04:09 | |
actual bodily harm and common
assault following the shocking | 1:04:09 | 1:04:12 | |
incident in Colchester in Essex. | 1:04:12 | 1:04:17 | |
The cyclist needed hospital
treatment but his injuries | 1:04:17 | 1:04:18 | |
were not serious. | 1:04:18 | 1:04:23 | |
An employment tribunal will hear
a landmark case on whether firms | 1:04:23 | 1:04:26 | |
which offer enhanced maternity pay
to women can give only a statutory | 1:04:26 | 1:04:29 | |
minimum to their male
employees, when they take | 1:04:29 | 1:04:31 | |
shared parental leave. | 1:04:31 | 1:04:33 | |
The outsourcing company, Capita,
appealed against an earlier ruling | 1:04:33 | 1:04:36 | |
that it discriminated
against a new father. | 1:04:36 | 1:04:37 | |
Shared parental leave was introduced
more than two years ago but take up | 1:04:37 | 1:04:40 | |
rates are lower than 10%. | 1:04:40 | 1:04:46 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 10.30am. | 1:04:46 | 1:04:56 | |
The Met is reviewing all sexual
offences cases because of the | 1:04:57 | 1:05:03 | |
collapse of two cases in a week.
This viewer says, "When I was on | 1:05:03 | 1:05:06 | |
trial for rape five years ago, it
came out in court that the police | 1:05:06 | 1:05:10 | |
had withheld evidence about text
messages and also the accused's | 1:05:10 | 1:05:15 | |
medical claims. I was found not
guilty, but my life has still been | 1:05:15 | 1:05:18 | |
ruined. I think the Met inquiry
should look at cases like mine as | 1:05:18 | 1:05:22 | |
well."
Another anonymous message on | 1:05:22 | 1:05:26 | |
Facebook. "My 15-year-old boy was
arrested in October for the rape of | 1:05:26 | 1:05:31 | |
a 15-year-old girl. We are worried
sick. They took his phone and two | 1:05:31 | 1:05:35 | |
months on, we have been told it
could take until next May. I hope | 1:05:35 | 1:05:39 | |
someone looks at the phone in the
meantime." This tweet from Stephen, | 1:05:39 | 1:05:44 | |
"My case was from five years ago,
but very similar to the two | 1:05:44 | 1:05:48 | |
collapsed cases. The review should
take in past cases because my life | 1:05:48 | 1:05:51 | |
has been ruined even though I was
found not guilty." You can get in | 1:05:51 | 1:06:01 | |
touch. You can message us on
Facebook and you can text. | 1:06:01 | 1:06:06 | |
Here's some sport now with Holly. | 1:06:06 | 1:06:08 | |
Birmingham is set to be
named as the host of | 1:06:08 | 1:06:10 | |
the Commonwealth Games in 2022
after organisers finally | 1:06:10 | 1:06:12 | |
confirmed their backing. | 1:06:12 | 1:06:14 | |
When Durban was stripped
of the event in March, | 1:06:14 | 1:06:18 | |
Birmingham was the only city to bid
before the original deadline, | 1:06:18 | 1:06:20 | |
but the proposal was deemed to be
"not fully compliant". | 1:06:20 | 1:06:23 | |
It now appears it will be
Birmingham staging the Games | 1:06:23 | 1:06:25 | |
and at a cost of £750 million,
it'll be the most expensive sports | 1:06:25 | 1:06:28 | |
event in Britain since London 2012. | 1:06:28 | 1:06:34 | |
Manchester City manager,
Pep Guardiola, has dismissed talk | 1:06:34 | 1:06:37 | |
of winning a "quadruple" -
that's the three domestic titles | 1:06:37 | 1:06:41 | |
plus the Champions League,
but their magnificent season | 1:06:41 | 1:06:42 | |
continued, as they reached
the League Cup semi-finals. | 1:06:42 | 1:06:46 | |
Jamie Vardy scored a controversial
equaliser from the spot | 1:06:46 | 1:06:54 | |
for Leicester seven minutes
into injury time to make it 1-1. | 1:06:54 | 1:06:58 | |
But it went to penalties,
Vardy missed, and Claudio Bravo | 1:06:58 | 1:07:01 | |
was the hero, saving
Riyadh Mahrez's attempt. | 1:07:01 | 1:07:06 | |
Arsenal will also be
in tonight's semi-final draw | 1:07:06 | 1:07:09 | |
after beating West Ham. | 1:07:09 | 1:07:13 | |
Danny Wellbeck with
the only goal of the game, | 1:07:13 | 1:07:23 | |
when Olivier Giroud was injured
towards the end of the match. | 1:07:27 | 1:07:30 | |
The draw will be made
after tonight's matches - | 1:07:30 | 1:07:32 | |
Chelsea take on Bournemouth,
while holders Manchester United face | 1:07:32 | 1:07:34 | |
Championship side Bristol City -
and City manager Lee Johnson | 1:07:34 | 1:07:36 | |
is really hoping Jose Mourinho
pops by after the game. | 1:07:36 | 1:07:39 | |
I bought an expensive bottle of
wine. I will be disappointed if he | 1:07:39 | 1:07:42 | |
doesn't come in and taste it because
it has to be poured specially | 1:07:42 | 1:07:46 | |
because it is that good. | 1:07:46 | 1:07:48 | |
England's Ashes tour has been fairly
disasterous so far - | 1:07:48 | 1:07:51 | |
they've lost the series,
and there's been lots of talk about | 1:07:51 | 1:07:53 | |
ill-discipline within the squad. | 1:07:53 | 1:07:54 | |
Batsman Ben Duckett was one
of those in trouble. | 1:07:54 | 1:07:56 | |
He poured a drink over
James Anderson's head | 1:07:56 | 1:08:02 | |
in a bar in Perth and
was given a suspension. | 1:08:02 | 1:08:04 | |
Now he's been told he won't take
part in the England Lions tour | 1:08:04 | 1:08:07 | |
to the West Indies next year,
because of that incident. | 1:08:07 | 1:08:10 | |
Former Wimbledon champion,
Marion Bartoli, has come out | 1:08:10 | 1:08:12 | |
of retirement and says she'll return
to the WTA Tour next year. | 1:08:12 | 1:08:15 | |
Bartoli is 33 now. | 1:08:15 | 1:08:17 | |
She quit tennis in August 2013 less
than six weeks after winning | 1:08:17 | 1:08:20 | |
Wimbledon - her only
grand slam title - | 1:08:20 | 1:08:22 | |
citing ongoing injury problems. | 1:08:22 | 1:08:23 | |
She suffered severe ill-health
during her retirement but now says | 1:08:23 | 1:08:25 | |
she intends to make her comeback
at the Miami Open in March. | 1:08:25 | 1:08:30 | |
And it seems she's already been
doing some training in secret - | 1:08:30 | 1:08:33 | |
looking forward to seeing her back
on the court Victoria. | 1:08:33 | 1:08:37 | |
Thank you very much. | 1:08:37 | 1:08:42 | |
Homelessness in England
is a "national crisis" | 1:08:42 | 1:08:45 | |
and the Government's efforts
to tackling it are "unacceptably | 1:08:45 | 1:08:48 | |
complacent" and an "abject failure"
- according to a group of MPs. | 1:08:48 | 1:08:50 | |
There are more than 9,000
people sleeping rough, | 1:08:50 | 1:08:52 | |
while 78,000 families live
in temporary accommodation. | 1:08:52 | 1:09:00 | |
The Government said it was providing
more than £1 billion, | 1:09:00 | 1:09:03 | |
over the next two years,
to reduce homelessness. | 1:09:03 | 1:09:05 | |
The definition of homelessness under
law includes rough sleepers, | 1:09:05 | 1:09:07 | |
single people in hostels and those
in temporary accommodation. | 1:09:07 | 1:09:11 | |
Since 2011, the number of people
sleeping on the streets | 1:09:11 | 1:09:13 | |
has increased by 134%,
the report says. | 1:09:13 | 1:09:19 | |
Earlier this year our reporter
Lesley Ashmall spent time | 1:09:19 | 1:09:22 | |
on the streets of Chatham in Kent
where the deaths of two homeless men | 1:09:22 | 1:09:25 | |
prompted calls for more to be done
to help rough sleepers in winter. | 1:09:25 | 1:09:35 | |
The high Street was bobbed. | 1:09:37 | 1:09:39 | |
It's Christmas Eve, people
were doing their shopping. | 1:09:39 | 1:09:41 | |
It was about half past 11
in the morning when someone realised | 1:09:41 | 1:09:44 | |
he had actually passed away. | 1:09:44 | 1:09:45 | |
You look at all these flowers,
that have been left over in the last | 1:09:45 | 1:09:49 | |
week, pictures people have left
all the staff. | 1:09:49 | 1:09:51 | |
This is where Michael stayed. | 1:09:51 | 1:09:52 | |
Michael McCluskey was in his 40s. | 1:09:52 | 1:09:53 | |
A father and grandfather. | 1:09:53 | 1:09:54 | |
A run of bad luck left
him on the streets. | 1:09:54 | 1:09:57 | |
Michael was a lovely guy. | 1:09:57 | 1:09:58 | |
Always in top spirits. | 1:09:58 | 1:09:59 | |
He was a great guy. | 1:09:59 | 1:10:01 | |
A West Ham supporter, I may walk -
I'm a West Ham supporter, | 1:10:01 | 1:10:04 | |
so we always talked
a lot about football. | 1:10:04 | 1:10:06 | |
He was a really nice guy. | 1:10:06 | 1:10:07 | |
You could see from the amount
of flowers that people left him | 1:10:07 | 1:10:10 | |
and reading some of the cards. | 1:10:10 | 1:10:12 | |
And then, just a few days later,
a few streets away, another... | 1:10:12 | 1:10:14 | |
Sadly, Greg past as well.
That's two too many. | 1:10:14 | 1:10:17 | |
The council... | 1:10:17 | 1:10:22 | |
There needs to be something done. | 1:10:22 | 1:10:23 | |
Why were these guys left
out here Wise we need | 1:10:23 | 1:10:26 | |
to look after these guys. | 1:10:26 | 1:10:27 | |
That's two to many, and there's
still people on the street now. | 1:10:27 | 1:10:30 | |
Its problem, it's
very, very problem. | 1:10:30 | 1:10:34 | |
It's not known how either man died,
but their friends think the weather | 1:10:37 | 1:10:40 | |
could have been to blame. | 1:10:40 | 1:10:44 | |
Yeah, definitely the cold. | 1:10:44 | 1:10:48 | |
He was found out there
with no blankets on him, | 1:10:48 | 1:10:52 | |
it was definitely the cold. | 1:10:52 | 1:10:53 | |
How do you survive? | 1:10:53 | 1:10:54 | |
We use... | 1:10:54 | 1:10:56 | |
Pop in McDonald's now and again. | 1:10:56 | 1:11:00 | |
Try and find anything warm in shops. | 1:11:00 | 1:11:03 | |
Three pairs of trousers,
three pairs of socks. | 1:11:03 | 1:11:06 | |
Two sleeping bags, and still
freezing during the morning. | 1:11:06 | 1:11:09 | |
What do you think should be done?
What should the Government do? | 1:11:09 | 1:11:15 | |
The Government should come down
and see the actual homeless, | 1:11:15 | 1:11:18 | |
and give them a place to stay. | 1:11:18 | 1:11:20 | |
Do you know what I mean? | 1:11:20 | 1:11:22 | |
We are all suffering,
do you know what I mean? | 1:11:22 | 1:11:24 | |
We are not bad people. | 1:11:24 | 1:11:28 | |
Around 120,000 children
are among those living | 1:11:32 | 1:11:33 | |
without permanent housing. | 1:11:33 | 1:11:37 | |
A separate report exclusively seen
by this programme shows the huge | 1:11:37 | 1:11:40 | |
impact that can have on children
still attending school with children | 1:11:40 | 1:11:44 | |
falling behind academically,
falling asleep in class, | 1:11:44 | 1:11:46 | |
becoming socially isolated,
anxious and withdrawn. | 1:11:46 | 1:11:54 | |
The research by the homeless charity
Shelter not only looks affects | 1:11:54 | 1:11:57 | |
on pupils and their teachers such
as health, hygiene and achievement, | 1:11:57 | 1:12:00 | |
but also explores which parts
of the country have the highest | 1:12:00 | 1:12:02 | |
rates of homeless
children per schools. | 1:12:02 | 1:12:06 | |
Luton tops the table with 32
homeless children per school, | 1:12:06 | 1:12:08 | |
London second with 28 and Brighton
third highest with 22. | 1:12:08 | 1:12:17 | |
Let's speak to Shandor Nikitits,
who had to live in an emergency | 1:12:17 | 1:12:19 | |
homeless shelter with his
eight-year-old son Billy. | 1:12:19 | 1:12:27 | |
Kelly McKinnon is a school
family liaison officer, | 1:12:27 | 1:12:29 | |
who offers practical and emotional
support for homeless families. | 1:12:29 | 1:12:33 | |
And Polly Neate is Chief Executive
of the homeless charity Shelter. | 1:12:33 | 1:12:39 | |
You became homeless, there was a
sequence of events. You had an | 1:12:39 | 1:12:43 | |
accident at work which meant you
couldn't work. Therefore, you | 1:12:43 | 1:12:45 | |
couldn't pay the rent so you began
to stay with a friend. Sadly, they | 1:12:45 | 1:12:49 | |
passed away at the beginning of this
year so you had nowhere for you and | 1:12:49 | 1:12:52 | |
your boy to go to, did you? Well,
that's right. Sadly after his death | 1:12:52 | 1:13:00 | |
I approached the council and you
know I had a problem. And after a | 1:13:00 | 1:13:09 | |
very turbulent time I ended up in a
homeless shelter and I was there for | 1:13:09 | 1:13:16 | |
a considerably long time.
Can you tell our audience what a | 1:13:16 | 1:13:21 | |
homeless shelter is like to live in,
particularly when your | 1:13:21 | 1:13:25 | |
eight-year-old is living with you
from Fridays to Mondays? Well, the | 1:13:25 | 1:13:29 | |
shelter I was in was very bleak.
There was no atmosphere. It was | 1:13:29 | 1:13:37 | |
grubby. You go into any council
premises, there is inspirational | 1:13:37 | 1:13:45 | |
posters, there is, you know,
slogans, plants, whatever, there was | 1:13:45 | 1:13:48 | |
nothing. It was like almost being in
prison for want of a better word, | 1:13:48 | 1:13:54 | |
yeah. It was terrible. And how was
it for your little boy? He just | 1:13:54 | 1:14:00 | |
found it very difficult to deal with
because there was strangers there. | 1:14:00 | 1:14:06 | |
He had to lock the doors. He had to
worry about, you know, where he was | 1:14:06 | 1:14:12 | |
going, where was I? Who was coming
down the corridor. He had to worry | 1:14:12 | 1:14:17 | |
about all things like that. How long
did it take for the council to | 1:14:17 | 1:14:22 | |
officially acknowledge that you were
homeless? It took a couple of days | 1:14:22 | 1:14:30 | |
short of seven months. Why? That was
just to acknowledge that yes, I was | 1:14:30 | 1:14:35 | |
homeless. Why did it take so long?
Ah. I don't know. But I was asked | 1:14:35 | 1:14:46 | |
regular questions like, "Can they
contact my landlord?" Well, sadly, | 1:14:46 | 1:14:51 | |
no, he was dead. And did they
contact the estate? No, they hadn't. | 1:14:51 | 1:14:58 | |
I don't know what went wrong, I
really don't. And then one day you | 1:14:58 | 1:15:03 | |
were contacted by a housing
association and moved into a | 1:15:03 | 1:15:06 | |
property. What did that feel like?
Oh, that was just... Even though the | 1:15:06 | 1:15:13 | |
place needed paint and everything,
the relief I felt was something | 1:15:13 | 1:15:20 | |
incredible and the happiness of my
son was, he couldn't wait to move | 1:15:20 | 1:15:24 | |
in. He couldn't wait to explore the
place. He couldn't wait to be a boy | 1:15:24 | 1:15:30 | |
again. | 1:15:30 | 1:15:35 | |
Wow you have brilliantly articulated
the highs and lows of your life. The | 1:15:35 | 1:15:44 | |
Government says tackling
homelessness is complex, but we are | 1:15:44 | 1:15:48 | |
determined to help the most
vulnerable and we are providing up | 1:15:48 | 1:15:53 | |
to a billion pounds to reduce all
forms of homelessness and we have | 1:15:53 | 1:15:58 | |
established a rough sleeping and
homelessness task force. So we can | 1:15:58 | 1:16:04 | |
respond as effectively as possible.
Well, it is not fair to say the | 1:16:04 | 1:16:10 | |
Government are doing nothing. But
what they're doing is not enough. | 1:16:10 | 1:16:14 | |
There are not enough homes and two
people can't afford the homes that | 1:16:14 | 1:16:18 | |
there are, because housing benefit's
been frozen. Unless the Government | 1:16:18 | 1:16:23 | |
is going to tackle those two thing
that will cost money, then as a | 1:16:23 | 1:16:28 | |
society we have to be prepared to
accept the impact of homelessness of | 1:16:28 | 1:16:34 | |
many of our fellow citizens,
including children. If your | 1:16:34 | 1:16:38 | |
childhood is blighted by something
like homelessness, as a parent it is | 1:16:38 | 1:16:45 | |
shocking, if you lose your childhood
in that way, you never get it back. | 1:16:45 | 1:16:50 | |
You only have one child hooved. One
things that comes up, people say, | 1:16:50 | 1:16:55 | |
some people say, look, they're not
really homeless, they have a roof | 1:16:55 | 1:17:01 | |
over their head, it may be temporary
or a hostel, they're not sleeping on | 1:17:01 | 1:17:06 | |
the streets. Well, that is true to
an extent, if you have a whole | 1:17:06 | 1:17:13 | |
family in one room, if you have to
particularly with children have to | 1:17:13 | 1:17:17 | |
share bathroom, toilet, kitchens
with other families, if you have | 1:17:17 | 1:17:22 | |
that insecurity of continually
moving and never having anywhere to | 1:17:22 | 1:17:26 | |
call home and the stigma that
families feel and particularly | 1:17:26 | 1:17:30 | |
children feel at school about their
situation, then they are legally | 1:17:30 | 1:17:36 | |
homeless and they're emotionally
homeless and you know this is a huge | 1:17:36 | 1:17:39 | |
crisis. It has to stop. We can't be
putting up with this. Kelly, you | 1:17:39 | 1:17:48 | |
offer practical support for children
in the role of a family liaison | 1:17:48 | 1:17:54 | |
practitioner. . Tell us about the
impact on children at school. It has | 1:17:54 | 1:18:04 | |
a huge impact, with a environment
where it is frightening, it is is | 1:18:04 | 1:18:10 | |
very disturb and the transition from
one hostel to another hostel has a | 1:18:10 | 1:18:17 | |
huge emotional effect and their
physical well being, they are can | 1:18:17 | 1:18:26 | |
tired at school. That impacts the
rest of their life chances? Yes, of | 1:18:26 | 1:18:31 | |
course, this is our future
generation and we talk about mental | 1:18:31 | 1:18:37 | |
well being and it won't be until
later we will witness the impact it | 1:18:37 | 1:18:42 | |
is having on these children. I
wonder a final thought, do you still | 1:18:42 | 1:18:46 | |
see the impact on Billy of that time
when he was in the emergency hostel? | 1:18:46 | 1:18:53 | |
Yes, he is a lot more thoughtful and
a lot more emotive to not only my | 1:18:53 | 1:19:01 | |
thoughts and feelings, but other
people as well. Yes, it has had an | 1:19:01 | 1:19:05 | |
impact on him. But hopefully it has
made him a better person. That is | 1:19:05 | 1:19:09 | |
what I would like to hope. Thank you
very much. Happy Christmas. Thank | 1:19:09 | 1:19:15 | |
you. | 1:19:15 | 1:19:25 | |
Now news from the International
Monetary Fund that have downgraded | 1:19:30 | 1:19:35 | |
their prediction for UK economic
growth for this year from 1.7% to | 1:19:35 | 1:19:40 | |
1.6%. That is just in from the
International Monetary Fund, they | 1:19:40 | 1:19:46 | |
have downgraded their prediction for
UK growth for this year. | 1:19:46 | 1:19:53 | |
A number of lawyers
have welcomed a review | 1:19:53 | 1:19:58 | |
by Britain's biggest force -
the Metropolitan Police - | 1:19:58 | 1:20:00 | |
into all ongoing sex
crime investigations. | 1:20:00 | 1:20:03 | |
It follows the collapse of two
rape cases in a week - | 1:20:03 | 1:20:06 | |
after relevant evidence was given
to the defence only | 1:20:06 | 1:20:08 | |
after the cases had started. | 1:20:08 | 1:20:18 | |
Police officers have over 20 ongoing
rape and serious allegations on the | 1:20:25 | 1:20:31 | |
go at once w with no support and
with insufficient training, with no | 1:20:31 | 1:20:41 | |
support, with budgets for things
like has been triexaminations cut. | 1:20:41 | 1:20:51 | |
-- has been triexaminations. It is
not stopping the police to say let's | 1:20:51 | 1:20:58 | |
disclose this to the defence. That
is a minor issue. Of course that is | 1:20:58 | 1:21:03 | |
wrong and in an individual case
there will be problems like that. | 1:21:03 | 1:21:07 | |
This officer will now be hauled over
the coals and it wouldn't surprise | 1:21:07 | 1:21:11 | |
me to find that the IPCC are pushing
to put him in jail. It won't solve | 1:21:11 | 1:21:16 | |
the problem. Chris Henley was
smiling, deputy of the Criminal Bar | 1:21:16 | 1:21:22 | |
Association, why are you smiling?
Well, I think that is an over | 1:21:22 | 1:21:27 | |
reaction. But what is important is
that the police are able to do their | 1:21:27 | 1:21:34 | |
jobs properly. What is at stake is
the liberty in Liam Allan's case an | 1:21:34 | 1:21:41 | |
innocent man. Because this was not
carried out effectively his liberty | 1:21:41 | 1:21:47 | |
was put at risk and it is not
acceptable. It falls to the officer | 1:21:47 | 1:21:52 | |
investigating the case and the Crown
Prosecution Service lawyer and the | 1:21:52 | 1:21:55 | |
barrister who stepped up in this
particular case, to say to the | 1:21:55 | 1:21:58 | |
judge, we are not ready. This issue
is too important. | 1:21:58 | 1:22:03 | |
The two cases revealed over the last
week are those of 22 year | 1:22:03 | 1:22:07 | |
old student Liam Allan. | 1:22:07 | 1:22:08 | |
His trial collapsed after it emerged
officers had failed to disclose | 1:22:08 | 1:22:10 | |
vital evidence which undermined
the prosecution case - | 1:22:10 | 1:22:12 | |
including phone messages
where his accuser had | 1:22:12 | 1:22:14 | |
asked him for sex. | 1:22:14 | 1:22:20 | |
The second case involves a 25 year
old man called Isaac Itiary | 1:22:20 | 1:22:23 | |
who spent four months in jail
awaiting trial after being | 1:22:23 | 1:22:25 | |
charged with raping a girl
under the age of 16. | 1:22:25 | 1:22:32 | |
The defence asked for details
of her text messages in September | 1:22:32 | 1:22:35 | |
but they were only just
provided this week. | 1:22:35 | 1:22:37 | |
They showed she regularly
posed as a 19-year-old. | 1:22:37 | 1:22:40 | |
All charges were
subsequently dropped. | 1:22:40 | 1:22:47 | |
Commander Richard Smith from
Scotland Yard said the Met will | 1:22:47 | 1:22:51 | |
review about 30 cases that are due
to go to trial. | 1:22:51 | 1:22:57 | |
We can | 1:22:57 | 1:22:58 | |
speak now to Karma Melly - | 1:22:58 | 1:23:00 | |
she's a Barrister who has defended
rapists but also worked | 1:23:00 | 1:23:02 | |
on the prosecution side too. | 1:23:02 | 1:23:06 | |
And Sue SIM, a former Chief
Constable of Northumbria police. Why | 1:23:06 | 1:23:11 | |
do you say sometimes evidence is not
being disclosed by the police? There | 1:23:11 | 1:23:17 | |
is absolutely no credible exmra
nation for not providing the | 1:23:17 | 1:23:24 | |
evidence. There is a loot of
pressure on police officers who want | 1:23:24 | 1:23:28 | |
to get convibss for victims and that
-- convictions for victims and that | 1:23:28 | 1:23:37 | |
is laudable for such an awful crime.
But it is extraordinarily important | 1:23:37 | 1:23:42 | |
that only guilty people are
convicted and there is no excuse for | 1:23:42 | 1:23:49 | |
not doing the investigations
properly. I listened to your report | 1:23:49 | 1:23:57 | |
from the Chief Inspector who blamed
lack of resources. I do not agree | 1:23:57 | 1:24:01 | |
with that. It is important that
Chief Constables review their rain | 1:24:01 | 1:24:09 | |
cases. As far back as 2014, the HMIC
said Northumbria police was not | 1:24:09 | 1:24:17 | |
investigating its rape cases
properly. I launched an immediate | 1:24:17 | 1:24:22 | |
investigation into it then, not
withstanding that Northumbria had | 1:24:22 | 1:24:25 | |
one of the largest cuts in budgets,
I managed to do that. But the thing | 1:24:25 | 1:24:32 | |
people didn't like the the detective
Chief Inspectors and the those who | 1:24:32 | 1:24:41 | |
do not like to be questioned and I'm
pleased there is an investigation | 1:24:41 | 1:24:45 | |
into this. Chief Constables have to
take responsibility for the | 1:24:45 | 1:24:50 | |
resources they're controlling. There
is a review in the metropolitan | 1:24:50 | 1:24:59 | |
place what about other forces. Fit
is found in the largest force in the | 1:24:59 | 1:25:04 | |
country, it will probably be
happening every where else. I think | 1:25:04 | 1:25:09 | |
it is important that her Majesty's
inspector of constabulary looks at | 1:25:09 | 1:25:16 | |
this as an urgent case and I would
call for him to do so. We are going | 1:25:16 | 1:25:24 | |
to hear from commander Richard
Smith. It is important to draw a | 1:25:24 | 1:25:28 | |
distinction between the two reviews
that we are conducting. The case of | 1:25:28 | 1:25:33 | |
Liam Allan clearly went wrong and we
are keen to find out why. We | 1:25:33 | 1:25:38 | |
instigated an immediate high level
review. So that is a joint review | 1:25:38 | 1:25:43 | |
started immediately and that is
continuing now. To learn what | 1:25:43 | 1:25:48 | |
happened in that case. The other
review which you mentioned is the | 1:25:48 | 1:25:52 | |
review of all of our current cases,
all our current investigations where | 1:25:52 | 1:25:58 | |
we have an individual charged and we
are progressing to trial. We're | 1:25:58 | 1:26:04 | |
reviewing those with the Crown
Prosecution Service to ensure we | 1:26:04 | 1:26:08 | |
have complied with the disclosure
process. That should have happened. | 1:26:08 | 1:26:12 | |
It is an ongoing process of review
in any case. But we want the | 1:26:12 | 1:26:18 | |
confidence that those cases have
been compliant with the disclosure | 1:26:18 | 1:26:22 | |
regime. Our priority will be around
the 30 cases that are about to go to | 1:26:22 | 1:26:27 | |
trial. It is a pragmatic step to
ensure we can go to trial safely. | 1:26:27 | 1:26:32 | |
You say about 30 cases, can you put
any figure at all on how many other | 1:26:32 | 1:26:38 | |
wider cases you're looking at. No I
will have the number later. I expect | 1:26:38 | 1:26:45 | |
it to be scores of cases. Commander
Richard Smith. Let's have a reaction | 1:26:45 | 1:26:56 | |
from Karmen Melee. What do you say.
People will be pleased that the | 1:26:56 | 1:27:01 | |
disclosure which is looking at the
material that the prosecution aren't | 1:27:01 | 1:27:06 | |
using at the tliel but might assist
the -- trial but might assist the | 1:27:06 | 1:27:11 | |
defence will be reviewed. I'm
concerned, as are many about those | 1:27:11 | 1:27:16 | |
cases that have been court all right
and if the Crown Prosecution Service | 1:27:16 | 1:27:19 | |
and the police are reviewing the
disclosure of those cases about to | 1:27:19 | 1:27:23 | |
go to court, what about cased where
we have had convictions already? For | 1:27:23 | 1:27:28 | |
myself and I think I speak for a
number of other barristers, is that | 1:27:28 | 1:27:33 | |
we are concerned about disclosure
and how it is being dealt with | 1:27:33 | 1:27:36 | |
across the board, not just in rape
and cases of serious sexual | 1:27:36 | 1:27:43 | |
offences, but whether the systems
that are in place are being | 1:27:43 | 1:27:45 | |
followed. So that we can be
confident that there will not be | 1:27:45 | 1:27:52 | |
miscarriages of justice based on the
failure to disclose important | 1:27:52 | 1:27:57 | |
material that may help the defence
case. I'm going to bring in Steve, | 1:27:57 | 1:28:02 | |
who has got in touch with us today,
he was watching our programme and he | 1:28:02 | 1:28:07 | |
was found not guilty of rape and he
said the accusation ruined his life | 1:28:07 | 1:28:12 | |
and he wants cases like his to be
included in the review. Is that | 1:28:12 | 1:28:17 | |
right? Yes mine was nearly six years
ago, although it started in 2010, | 1:28:17 | 1:28:24 | |
and there are a number of occasions
where during the trial it became | 1:28:24 | 1:28:28 | |
apparent that the police had been
less than honest with the defence | 1:28:28 | 1:28:33 | |
and in the preparation of the case.
Do you mean late evidence was | 1:28:33 | 1:28:39 | |
disclosed? Yes, one, they were
awaiting, I was on bail for 20 | 1:28:39 | 1:28:47 | |
months and allegedly waiting for a
report from a leading neurologist | 1:28:47 | 1:28:53 | |
about the woman's condition and only
on the day of the trial did the | 1:28:53 | 1:28:59 | |
prosecution come and say, oh, we are
had a report about four months ago | 1:28:59 | 1:29:03 | |
saying that there was nothing wrong
with her. But the police had never | 1:29:03 | 1:29:07 | |
disclosed that to us at all. During
the trial, she denied that she had | 1:29:07 | 1:29:12 | |
been in touch with me by text
message. But we were able to produce | 1:29:12 | 1:29:17 | |
two telephones that showed that she
had been texting me a lot. You had | 1:29:17 | 1:29:23 | |
that evidence, because it was from
your phone. Yes. If it is about lack | 1:29:23 | 1:29:30 | |
of disclosure or late disclosure, as
you were found not guilty by a jury, | 1:29:30 | 1:29:36 | |
what would the point of police
spending time reviewing your case? | 1:29:36 | 1:29:39 | |
Because my life has been destroyed
and there is an old saying, there is | 1:29:39 | 1:29:44 | |
no smoke without fire, my life has
been destroyed to the point where I | 1:29:44 | 1:29:48 | |
have received death threats,
harassment, my address is the | 1:29:48 | 1:29:53 | |
subject of a police special
protection scheme, all as a result | 1:29:53 | 1:29:57 | |
of this woman continuing to insist
that I got off on a technicality, | 1:29:57 | 1:30:05 | |
because the police had not disclosed
things. You, you mean, the late | 1:30:05 | 1:30:12 | |
disclosure or the revelation of the
report, would that have changed | 1:30:12 | 1:30:16 | |
things? Would the judge have thrown
it out at that point? My barrister | 1:30:16 | 1:30:24 | |
summed it up, the police was the
police became prosecutors rather | 1:30:24 | 1:30:30 | |
than investigators. There was clear
evidence of inappropriate contact | 1:30:30 | 1:30:34 | |
between the woman and the liaison
officer, she was found out to lie... | 1:30:34 | 1:30:40 | |
Sorry I won't go over the whole case
again. You have welcomed the fact | 1:30:40 | 1:30:50 | |
that the Metropolitan Police will
review cases, Sue Sim said all | 1:30:50 | 1:30:58 | |
forces should now be reviewing
similar cases, would you agree with | 1:30:58 | 1:31:01 | |
that? | 1:31:01 | 1:31:12 | |
It is routine for there to be
significant late disclosure, a | 1:31:12 | 1:31:17 | |
review yes, but we want to see a
better funded Criminal Justice | 1:31:17 | 1:31:20 | |
System and that would mean that we
didn't have these errors. The system | 1:31:20 | 1:31:25 | |
is at breaking point. Disclosure is
no longer being dealt with by police | 1:31:25 | 1:31:31 | |
officers, but civilian officers,
employees of the police force. There | 1:31:31 | 1:31:34 | |
is no longer the time and the
resources to put into a proper | 1:31:34 | 1:31:41 | |
disclosure exercise and that comes
at the same time as the fact that | 1:31:41 | 1:31:46 | |
disclosure through text messages,
social media and other | 1:31:46 | 1:31:48 | |
investigations that the police
should be investigating that | 1:31:48 | 1:31:55 | |
particular and additional onerous
burden is also on the police so we | 1:31:55 | 1:31:58 | |
want to see yes, a review, but
better funding in place so that this | 1:31:58 | 1:32:02 | |
doesn't happen again.
Thank you. | 1:32:02 | 1:32:12 | |
It's time for the latest
news - here's Annita. | 1:32:12 | 1:32:16 | |
The headlines now: | 1:32:16 | 1:32:18 | |
The Government's efforts to tackle
homelessness have been described | 1:32:18 | 1:32:20 | |
as an "abject failure"
by a group of MPs. | 1:32:20 | 1:32:26 | |
The Commons Public Affairs Committee
says the problem is a "national | 1:32:26 | 1:32:28 | |
crisis" with more than 9,000 people
sleeping rough and a further 78,000 | 1:32:28 | 1:32:31 | |
families in temporary accommodation. | 1:32:31 | 1:32:32 | |
The Government says it's providing
more than £1 billion | 1:32:32 | 1:32:34 | |
in the next two years,
to reduce homelessness. | 1:32:34 | 1:32:42 | |
The International Monetary Fund has
downgraded its prediction for UK | 1:32:42 | 1:32:46 | |
economic growth from 1.7% to 1.6%
for this year. The IMF said that | 1:32:46 | 1:32:52 | |
despite a strong recovery in global
growth the impact of Britain's | 1:32:52 | 1:32:55 | |
decision to exit the European Union
has weighed on the economy. It also | 1:32:55 | 1:32:58 | |
said that the weak pound was pushing
up inflation and squeezing household | 1:32:58 | 1:33:03 | |
real income and spending. | 1:33:03 | 1:33:12 | |
The Met Police is launching
a review of all its current sex | 1:33:12 | 1:33:15 | |
offence investigations
after the collapse of a second | 1:33:15 | 1:33:17 | |
rape case in a week. | 1:33:17 | 1:33:18 | |
The prosecutions were halted
because of the late disclosure | 1:33:18 | 1:33:20 | |
of digital evidence. | 1:33:20 | 1:33:21 | |
Scotland Yard has confirmed the same
detective was involved | 1:33:21 | 1:33:23 | |
in both investigations. | 1:33:23 | 1:33:24 | |
The European Court of Justice has
decided that the taxi hailing app, | 1:33:24 | 1:33:27 | |
Uber, should legally be considered
a transport company rather | 1:33:27 | 1:33:29 | |
than a digital services provider. | 1:33:29 | 1:33:31 | |
The ruling will mean that the firm
should be subjected to local | 1:33:31 | 1:33:33 | |
licensing laws in the countries
in which it operates. | 1:33:33 | 1:33:36 | |
The Government says it'll pass
legislation to ensure all British | 1:33:36 | 1:33:45 | |
homes and businesses can demand
access to high-speed broadband. | 1:33:45 | 1:33:47 | |
Ministers are to force BT,
which owns much of the UK's | 1:33:47 | 1:33:50 | |
telecoms infrastructure,
to provide connections | 1:33:50 | 1:33:51 | |
offering speeds of up to ten
megabits-per-second by 2020. | 1:33:51 | 1:33:54 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 1:33:54 | 1:33:56 | |
Here's some sport now with Holly. | 1:33:56 | 1:34:03 | |
Birmingham is set to be named
as the host of the 2022 | 1:34:03 | 1:34:06 | |
Commonwealth Games. | 1:34:06 | 1:34:07 | |
They were the only city to bid
before the original deadline | 1:34:07 | 1:34:10 | |
but the proposal was deemed to be
"not fully compliant" | 1:34:10 | 1:34:12 | |
and the deadline was extended but it
now appears they've won the right | 1:34:12 | 1:34:15 | |
to stage the event. | 1:34:15 | 1:34:17 | |
Say it quietly Manchester City fans
- talk of four trophies now | 1:34:17 | 1:34:19 | |
after they beat Leicester
on penalties in the League Cup last | 1:34:19 | 1:34:22 | |
night to reach the semi-finals. | 1:34:22 | 1:34:23 | |
But manager Pep Guardiola has
dismissed talk of a quadruple - | 1:34:23 | 1:34:26 | |
insisting it's unrealistic. | 1:34:26 | 1:34:30 | |
Marion Bartoli has announced
her return to tennis. | 1:34:30 | 1:34:32 | |
She retired straight after winning
Wimbledon four years ago, | 1:34:32 | 1:34:34 | |
citing persistant injury problems,
but she says she'll be back | 1:34:34 | 1:34:37 | |
for the Miami Open in March. | 1:34:37 | 1:34:40 | |
In the midst of an Ashes tour
plagued by ill-discipline | 1:34:40 | 1:34:42 | |
within the squad, batsman
Ben Duckett has been | 1:34:42 | 1:34:44 | |
told he won't take part
in the England Lions tour | 1:34:44 | 1:34:47 | |
to the West Indies next year. | 1:34:47 | 1:34:50 | |
He'd already been suspended
for pouring a drink over | 1:34:50 | 1:34:51 | |
James Anderson's head
in a Perth bar. | 1:34:51 | 1:34:56 | |
I'll have all the latest
sport on BBC News | 1:34:56 | 1:34:58 | |
Channel throughout the day. | 1:34:58 | 1:35:02 | |
Thank you very much. We are hearing
the chief Brexit negotiator, | 1:35:02 | 1:35:08 | |
Europe's chief Brexit neglector
maybe holding a conference to layout | 1:35:08 | 1:35:13 | |
guidelines for the next phase of
Brexit talks. So when that news | 1:35:13 | 1:35:15 | |
conference begins we will bring it
to you. It could be in the next half | 1:35:15 | 1:35:18 | |
an hour, it could be after that.
Whenever it is, we will bring it to | 1:35:18 | 1:35:21 | |
you. | 1:35:21 | 1:35:24 | |
A fishery which has a sign banning
Polish and Eastern bloc anglers | 1:35:24 | 1:35:27 | |
is facing possible legal action. | 1:35:27 | 1:35:29 | |
The owner of Field Farm Fisheries
in Oxfordshire says he'd previously | 1:35:29 | 1:35:32 | |
caught anglers stealing fish
and is standing up for | 1:35:32 | 1:35:34 | |
what he believes in. | 1:35:34 | 1:35:36 | |
Billy Evans, a former
Conservative councillor, | 1:35:36 | 1:35:39 | |
has had similar signs
on his property since 2009. | 1:35:39 | 1:35:43 | |
Earlier, we spoke to Polish
fisherman Rado Papiewski | 1:35:43 | 1:35:46 | |
who is crowdfunding to pay
for a private prosecution | 1:35:46 | 1:35:50 | |
and have the sign removed. | 1:35:50 | 1:35:52 | |
Elizabeth Prochaska the legal
director of the Equality | 1:35:52 | 1:35:54 | |
and Human Rights Commission who say
they'll take enforcement action | 1:35:54 | 1:35:57 | |
and Martha Spurrier -
the director of Liberty. | 1:35:57 | 1:35:59 | |
I began by asking Rado what he
thought when he saw the sign. | 1:35:59 | 1:36:02 | |
When I first seen it,
I felt a bit disappointed. | 1:36:02 | 1:36:07 | |
I felt this is very unfair
for all eastern European and Polish | 1:36:07 | 1:36:10 | |
anglers who are fishing
in the UK legally. | 1:36:10 | 1:36:16 | |
Despite the seven years of very good
work we put in to educate migrant | 1:36:16 | 1:36:20 | |
anglers and educate fisheries owners
who have different rules, | 1:36:20 | 1:36:23 | |
regulations and traditions,
you come across a place | 1:36:23 | 1:36:27 | |
where the fishery owner decides
to take a case into his own hands | 1:36:27 | 1:36:30 | |
and decides to do things like this,
which are not necessarily legal. | 1:36:30 | 1:36:33 | |
When you say rules,
regulations and traditions, | 1:36:33 | 1:36:36 | |
you mean because some Polish
fishermen fish to take the food | 1:36:36 | 1:36:38 | |
to eat, is that what you mean? | 1:36:38 | 1:36:40 | |
Yes, it is. | 1:36:40 | 1:36:41 | |
It's a tradition to fish for food
in the whole of Europe. | 1:36:41 | 1:36:44 | |
England is a place where
you fish for sport, so... | 1:36:44 | 1:36:47 | |
You are expected to
throw the fish back? | 1:36:47 | 1:36:49 | |
Exactly, you catch,
you take a photograph of it | 1:36:49 | 1:36:51 | |
and you put it back. | 1:36:51 | 1:36:52 | |
If you can imagine someone who has
been fishing back in Poland | 1:36:52 | 1:36:55 | |
for 20-odd years with the mindset
of going, catching a fish | 1:36:55 | 1:36:58 | |
and cooking it, because this is how
we have been growing up, | 1:36:58 | 1:37:01 | |
and coming to a different
country and being told, | 1:37:01 | 1:37:03 | |
you have to catch the fish
and release it. | 1:37:03 | 1:37:07 | |
It takes a bit of time
to change the mindset, | 1:37:07 | 1:37:09 | |
it's not a one-day sort of thing. | 1:37:09 | 1:37:12 | |
Billy Evans, the owner of this
fisheries has put a similar sign up | 1:37:12 | 1:37:15 | |
in the past actually in 2009. | 1:37:15 | 1:37:17 | |
Obviously we tried to get
him on the programme, | 1:37:17 | 1:37:19 | |
that wasn't possible. | 1:37:19 | 1:37:23 | |
But he said previously he has caught
some anglers stealing fish. | 1:37:23 | 1:37:26 | |
He says, "I shall stand up
for what I believe in, | 1:37:26 | 1:37:29 | |
if they want to call me a racist
for stopping thieves from coming | 1:37:29 | 1:37:32 | |
on to my private property,
that's what they'll do. | 1:37:32 | 1:37:34 | |
I'm right and I'm doing
the right thing." | 1:37:34 | 1:37:38 | |
You see, I have never denied there
was no problems on the fishery. | 1:37:38 | 1:37:41 | |
I'm sure there are problems
in different regions of the country | 1:37:41 | 1:37:44 | |
and I'm sure people will steal
the fish, will take a chance. | 1:37:44 | 1:37:47 | |
But there are different ways
to deal with the matter, | 1:37:47 | 1:37:51 | |
not banning the whole community
or a whole country of | 1:37:51 | 1:37:53 | |
anglers from the fishery. | 1:37:53 | 1:37:56 | |
This is where are our organisation
can provide the guidance and we can | 1:37:56 | 1:37:59 | |
actually tell them what to do. | 1:37:59 | 1:38:01 | |
But when I offered some
help to the fishery | 1:38:01 | 1:38:03 | |
owner, he rejected it. | 1:38:03 | 1:38:04 | |
He said he doesn't want to hear
about it, the sign is there to stay | 1:38:04 | 1:38:08 | |
and this is pure ignorance
in my eyes. | 1:38:08 | 1:38:10 | |
Right, you have come
across a similar sign | 1:38:10 | 1:38:12 | |
at another private fishery,
and you did have a conversation | 1:38:12 | 1:38:15 | |
with the owner and eventually
you persuaded him to | 1:38:15 | 1:38:17 | |
remove the sign? | 1:38:17 | 1:38:18 | |
Exactly, exactly. | 1:38:18 | 1:38:20 | |
Everyone can make a mistake
and do something wrong, | 1:38:20 | 1:38:22 | |
but when you offer help and advice
and when the sign has been taken | 1:38:22 | 1:38:25 | |
down, I see my job has been done. | 1:38:25 | 1:38:27 | |
And the guy who has taken
the sign down is a strong | 1:38:27 | 1:38:30 | |
supporter of integration now,
so it works. | 1:38:30 | 1:38:33 | |
Do you always put the fish back? | 1:38:33 | 1:38:35 | |
I do, yes. | 1:38:35 | 1:38:40 | |
Elisabeth, what is this specific
legal problem this sign presents? | 1:38:40 | 1:38:42 | |
This is a really straightforward
case of direct discrimination | 1:38:42 | 1:38:45 | |
on the grounds of nationality under
the Equality Act 2010. | 1:38:45 | 1:38:47 | |
There's no question
that it is unlawful, | 1:38:47 | 1:38:51 | |
it doesn't matter what Mr Evans'
motive is for putting up the sign, | 1:38:51 | 1:38:54 | |
he could easily deal with this
by putting up a sign that said, | 1:38:54 | 1:38:57 | |
"please don't take the fish". | 1:38:57 | 1:38:59 | |
He doesn't need to discriminate
on the grounds of nationality. | 1:38:59 | 1:39:01 | |
What will you be doing about it? | 1:39:01 | 1:39:03 | |
In the first instance,
we'll be writing to Mr Evans | 1:39:03 | 1:39:05 | |
and we will follow up with legal
action if doesn't remove | 1:39:05 | 1:39:08 | |
the sign, as a result. | 1:39:08 | 1:39:09 | |
This is not a criminal matter,
it is a civil matter, I understand? | 1:39:09 | 1:39:12 | |
That's right, it is. | 1:39:12 | 1:39:13 | |
What sort of action would
you be able to pursue? | 1:39:13 | 1:39:16 | |
You pursue the matter
in the County Courts under | 1:39:16 | 1:39:18 | |
the Equality Act 2010
and we would seek either | 1:39:18 | 1:39:20 | |
an injunction or an order
after the end of the hearing | 1:39:20 | 1:39:22 | |
which would force Mr Evans
to remove the sign. | 1:39:22 | 1:39:24 | |
How unusual is a case like this? | 1:39:24 | 1:39:26 | |
It's fairly unusual,
but unfortunately earlier this year | 1:39:26 | 1:39:28 | |
we did have to bring a very similar
sort of case against Mr Wilson, | 1:39:28 | 1:39:31 | |
a landlord who had discriminatory
letting criteria and we've | 1:39:31 | 1:39:34 | |
were successful in seeking
an injunction against him to stop | 1:39:34 | 1:39:40 | |
him from using discriminatory
letting criteria, so it is unusual, | 1:39:40 | 1:39:42 | |
but I wonder whether the current
political climate is enabling more | 1:39:42 | 1:39:45 | |
of this sort of attitude
to proliferate. | 1:39:45 | 1:39:50 | |
OK, let me ask you Martha,
as director of the campaigning | 1:39:50 | 1:39:59 | |
organisation Liberty
about what Elizabeth calls | 1:39:59 | 1:40:01 | |
the current political climate. | 1:40:01 | 1:40:02 | |
Are you registering a rise
in discrimination examples, | 1:40:02 | 1:40:04 | |
like the one we are
discussing today? | 1:40:04 | 1:40:06 | |
Yes, I think we are. | 1:40:06 | 1:40:07 | |
After the referendum last year
there was a big rise in hate crime | 1:40:07 | 1:40:10 | |
and we know that many of those hate
crimes are targeted at people | 1:40:10 | 1:40:13 | |
who are from Eastern Europe,
or are perceived to be | 1:40:13 | 1:40:16 | |
from Eastern Europe that may
have a right to be here. | 1:40:16 | 1:40:18 | |
And that can be anything from this
kind of sign or those kind | 1:40:18 | 1:40:21 | |
of letting arrangements. | 1:40:21 | 1:40:23 | |
It could be verbal abuse
in the street, but we have also seen | 1:40:23 | 1:40:26 | |
some violent hate crimes
and there was a Polish community | 1:40:26 | 1:40:28 | |
organisation in London
that was smashed up shortly | 1:40:28 | 1:40:31 | |
after the referendum. | 1:40:31 | 1:40:31 | |
What is the link with
the referendum vote? | 1:40:31 | 1:40:33 | |
Well, I think firstly it's nothing
to do whether you voted Leave | 1:40:33 | 1:40:36 | |
or Remain, it's not saying one group
of people are racist or bigoted, | 1:40:36 | 1:40:39 | |
it's nothing so black and white. | 1:40:39 | 1:40:41 | |
But I think there are,
in some quarters of that debate, | 1:40:41 | 1:40:44 | |
at that time and then in politics
since, there has been a sense | 1:40:44 | 1:40:47 | |
that it is OK to demonise
and scapegoat people | 1:40:47 | 1:40:49 | |
from other countries. | 1:40:49 | 1:40:52 | |
Where has that sense, from? | 1:40:52 | 1:40:55 | |
For example, about ten days ago
we saw a story where a Polish couple | 1:40:55 | 1:40:58 | |
had been very violently burgled
and the woman had been | 1:40:58 | 1:41:01 | |
beaten up in her own home. | 1:41:01 | 1:41:03 | |
They went to the police to report
this crime and the police, | 1:41:03 | 1:41:06 | |
rather than treating them
as vulnerable victims, | 1:41:06 | 1:41:08 | |
like you would hope to be treated
if that has happened | 1:41:08 | 1:41:10 | |
in your own home, they arrested
the man and they turned him over | 1:41:10 | 1:41:14 | |
to the Home Office and he was then
detained in an immigration removal | 1:41:14 | 1:41:17 | |
centre and he's lawfully here. | 1:41:17 | 1:41:22 | |
That sends a signal of saying
it is immigration enforcement at any | 1:41:22 | 1:41:25 | |
human cost and we prioritise
that over everything. | 1:41:25 | 1:41:27 | |
And I think that might then give
licence to some people, | 1:41:27 | 1:41:29 | |
like the man who put up this sign,
to act on their worst prejudices. | 1:41:29 | 1:41:34 | |
What's the best way to combat
that kind of prejudice? | 1:41:34 | 1:41:37 | |
Well, I think firstly we want to see
some leadership from the top. | 1:41:37 | 1:41:41 | |
So I think you need an absolute zero
tolerance policy across the board | 1:41:41 | 1:41:44 | |
and that means everyone,
public officials in particular, | 1:41:44 | 1:41:46 | |
when they legislate,
when they make policies and any | 1:41:46 | 1:41:48 | |
rhetoric they use has to be
all about non-discrimination | 1:41:48 | 1:41:50 | |
and equality and treating people
fairly with respect. | 1:41:50 | 1:41:52 | |
And then we need to take action. | 1:41:52 | 1:41:54 | |
People may think this
is a kind of small example, | 1:41:54 | 1:41:56 | |
but actually you have to take action
and be vigilant against every single | 1:41:56 | 1:41:59 | |
example of this kind
of really abhorrent, | 1:41:59 | 1:42:01 | |
very unfair and very
upsetting behaviour. | 1:42:01 | 1:42:04 | |
Rado, you ran a project called
Building Bridges which you mentioned | 1:42:04 | 1:42:08 | |
earlier was about educating
and integrating anglers | 1:42:08 | 1:42:09 | |
from other countries. | 1:42:09 | 1:42:11 | |
What do you say to anglers
from other countries about returning | 1:42:11 | 1:42:14 | |
the fish to the water? | 1:42:14 | 1:42:19 | |
You see, this is, for me
it is a fantastic concept | 1:42:19 | 1:42:22 | |
and you only realised this
when you catch a fish, | 1:42:22 | 1:42:24 | |
return it back and you catch it
again and the fish is bigger, | 1:42:24 | 1:42:27 | |
bigger and bigger. | 1:42:27 | 1:42:31 | |
You photograph yourself and that
gives you a lot of satisfaction | 1:42:31 | 1:42:34 | |
when you see the same fish growing
and you can keep your | 1:42:34 | 1:42:37 | |
own personal records. | 1:42:37 | 1:42:40 | |
What we try to sell,
the message which we try to sell | 1:42:40 | 1:42:43 | |
to migrant anglers is,
this is going to help us keep up | 1:42:43 | 1:42:51 | |
the fish viability and we can go
fish and enjoy the sport | 1:42:51 | 1:42:54 | |
and the next generation can. | 1:42:54 | 1:42:55 | |
When we remove a fish
from the water, obviously there's | 1:42:55 | 1:42:58 | |
going to be nothing to fish
for in the future. | 1:42:58 | 1:43:00 | |
So, this is some of the arguments
we use to persuade | 1:43:00 | 1:43:02 | |
migrant anglers to do it. | 1:43:02 | 1:43:04 | |
If Billy Evans is annoyed
at people stealing his fish, | 1:43:04 | 1:43:06 | |
how should he handle it,
in your view? | 1:43:06 | 1:43:08 | |
There are different means. | 1:43:08 | 1:43:10 | |
Obviously, there is the police,
voluntary bailiffs scheme | 1:43:10 | 1:43:12 | |
which is run by the Angling Trust. | 1:43:12 | 1:43:13 | |
There is the Environment Agency,
which is doing a fantastic job. | 1:43:13 | 1:43:16 | |
They are under resourced now,
but they do a fantastic job. | 1:43:16 | 1:43:19 | |
There are authoritative
organisations which are actually | 1:43:19 | 1:43:20 | |
looking after the fish. | 1:43:20 | 1:43:25 | |
If there are problems with someone
removing the fish from the fishery, | 1:43:25 | 1:43:28 | |
it is the same problem with people
stealing from shops, so it should be | 1:43:28 | 1:43:31 | |
reported to the police. | 1:43:31 | 1:43:33 | |
OK, you are going back to Poland? | 1:43:33 | 1:43:35 | |
I am. | 1:43:35 | 1:43:38 | |
I have one leg here and one
leg already in Poland. | 1:43:38 | 1:43:42 | |
I just decided to change my life
like I did 15 years ago | 1:43:42 | 1:43:45 | |
and decided to move to England. | 1:43:45 | 1:43:46 | |
Now, I decided it is time to change,
try a life back in my own country. | 1:43:46 | 1:43:51 | |
Good luck. | 1:43:51 | 1:43:52 | |
Thank you. | 1:43:52 | 1:43:53 | |
Thank you for coming
on the programme, all of you. | 1:43:53 | 1:43:57 | |
That was Rado Papiewski
who is crowdfunding to pay | 1:43:57 | 1:44:01 | |
for a private prosecution aagainst
a sign which bans Polish and eastern | 1:44:01 | 1:44:07 | |
bloc anglers from fishing
at a farm in Oxfordshire | 1:44:07 | 1:44:09 | |
and Elizabeth Prochaska the legal
director of the Equality | 1:44:09 | 1:44:11 | |
and Human Rights Commission
and Martha Spurrier | 1:44:11 | 1:44:21 | |
The IMF says Britain's decision to
leave the European Union has weighed | 1:44:22 | 1:44:27 | |
on economic growth. Jonty Bloom is
here. What have they said? They said | 1:44:27 | 1:44:31 | |
that Brexit has caused a fall in the
pound and that's slowed growth as | 1:44:31 | 1:44:36 | |
has a lack of confidence which hit
business investment and this latest | 1:44:36 | 1:44:40 | |
figure shows it expects growth this
year to be 1.6%, down from 1.7% as | 1:44:40 | 1:44:46 | |
the head of the IMF Christine
Lagarde explains. This country, the | 1:44:46 | 1:44:51 | |
United Kingdom, since the start of
this year, growth has slowed | 1:44:51 | 1:44:55 | |
notably. The significant depression
of sterling that followed the | 1:44:55 | 1:45:02 | |
referendum has pushed inflation over
3%. Squeezing real incomes and | 1:45:02 | 1:45:07 | |
private consumption. Companies are
also delaying some investment | 1:45:07 | 1:45:12 | |
decisions until they have greater
clarity about post Brexit trade | 1:45:12 | 1:45:18 | |
rules in particular. Our forecast
for growth in 2017, this year, is | 1:45:18 | 1:45:29 | |
1.6%, down from 1.8% in 2016 and
2.3% in 2015. | 1:45:29 | 1:45:38 | |
And all of that, despite what I have
just mentioned which is a stronger | 1:45:38 | 1:45:42 | |
global environment.
Our forecast for 2018 is 1.5% as | 1:45:42 | 1:45:50 | |
uncertainty about the shape of
Brexit persists most likely and | 1:45:50 | 1:45:56 | |
inflation remains above target. | 1:45:56 | 1:46:00 | |
What else did she say. The figure is
based on the idea we get a soft | 1:46:00 | 1:46:08 | |
Brexit, we get the same deal of
access to European markets, | 1:46:08 | 1:46:13 | |
especially for financial services,
the IMF does say there are | 1:46:13 | 1:46:18 | |
opportunities in Brexit to rebalance
the British economy, but says you're | 1:46:18 | 1:46:23 | |
dependent on financial services for
your growth and tax revenue, | 1:46:23 | 1:46:27 | |
companies with big supply chains,
will want reassurance and free | 1:46:27 | 1:46:31 | |
access to the European market. So
there are caveats with a hard Brexit | 1:46:31 | 1:46:37 | |
the growth of only 1.6% could be
worse. Thank you. Europe's chief | 1:46:37 | 1:46:50 | |
Brexit negotiator has said the EU
has set the end of UK's Brexit | 1:46:50 | 1:46:59 | |
transition period no later than
December 2020. We will leave | 1:46:59 | 1:47:04 | |
officially March 2019. And according
to ing to Michel Barnier, who is now | 1:47:04 | 1:47:14 | |
deciding the transition period which
be December 31st 2020. What a new | 1:47:14 | 1:47:24 | |
year's eve that will be for some
people. | 1:47:24 | 1:47:31 | |
Despite television bombarding us
with images of the perfect family | 1:47:31 | 1:47:33 | |
Christmas, only 62% of the British
population will spend most | 1:47:33 | 1:47:36 | |
of the day with their closest
relatives, a survey suggests. | 1:47:36 | 1:47:38 | |
Christmas estranged from your family
can be incredibly difficult | 1:47:38 | 1:47:40 | |
as Catrin Nye reports. | 1:47:40 | 1:47:43 | |
Christmas is definitely a time
where I feel I need to be loved | 1:47:43 | 1:47:48 | |
and the longer you are estranged,
the more desperate | 1:47:48 | 1:47:50 | |
you become for love. | 1:47:50 | 1:47:55 | |
Farrar has no contact
with any of her family. | 1:47:55 | 1:47:58 | |
She grew up with just her mum,
but hasn't spoken to her at all | 1:47:58 | 1:48:02 | |
for two years now and lives
in another city at university. | 1:48:02 | 1:48:06 | |
I remember last Christmas,
I just felt so unwanted and I felt | 1:48:06 | 1:48:13 | |
as though everyone has someone
somewhere and I didn't have that. | 1:48:13 | 1:48:18 | |
I was very upset and I just
stayed in my room, pretty | 1:48:18 | 1:48:21 | |
much cried all day. | 1:48:21 | 1:48:24 | |
I just avoid telling people
about my situation because I fear | 1:48:24 | 1:48:27 | |
of having any insensitive comments
said to me. | 1:48:27 | 1:48:32 | |
How can your mother not
love you all, why can't | 1:48:32 | 1:48:34 | |
you two just patch up. | 1:48:34 | 1:48:39 | |
Everyone does have the assumption
that a mother loves her child, | 1:48:39 | 1:48:42 | |
but there are unfortunately,
some exceptions to that. | 1:48:42 | 1:48:46 | |
David Wilson does have contact
with some of his family. | 1:48:46 | 1:48:49 | |
He's also married and so
not completely alone. | 1:48:49 | 1:48:53 | |
But he says Christmas he's reminded
more than ever of the family | 1:48:53 | 1:48:56 | |
he doesn't get to see. | 1:48:56 | 1:49:00 | |
With my youngest son,
who's now living in Spain, I don't | 1:49:00 | 1:49:03 | |
see him or my grandson, actually. | 1:49:03 | 1:49:07 | |
I've got a grandson aged
three, who I don't see. | 1:49:07 | 1:49:12 | |
I'm quite unable to explain
because nobody's ever told me. | 1:49:12 | 1:49:16 | |
The lines went dead. | 1:49:16 | 1:49:19 | |
So you just really don't fully know? | 1:49:19 | 1:49:21 | |
No. | 1:49:21 | 1:49:22 | |
Tell me about your
grandson at Christmas. | 1:49:22 | 1:49:28 | |
Yeah, I give him a present every
Christmas and birthday. | 1:49:28 | 1:49:31 | |
That's two a year and
I put them in a box. | 1:49:31 | 1:49:41 | |
That's enough. | 1:49:45 | 1:49:50 | |
One day he'll know that I did
care enough to get him | 1:49:50 | 1:49:53 | |
those things, you know. | 1:49:53 | 1:49:57 | |
So I think it has meaning for me
and it has meaning for him. | 1:49:57 | 1:50:03 | |
We can speak now to Brogen Harrison
who is recently estranged | 1:50:03 | 1:50:05 | |
from her whole family,
and this is her first | 1:50:05 | 1:50:07 | |
Christmas without them. | 1:50:07 | 1:50:10 | |
Becca Bland founded the charity
Stand Alone, which works with people | 1:50:10 | 1:50:12 | |
who become estranged
with their families. | 1:50:12 | 1:50:20 | |
Thank you both for coming on the
programme. You have been estranged | 1:50:20 | 1:50:24 | |
from your family since April. What
has that been like? Estrangement is | 1:50:24 | 1:50:31 | |
difficult, but there is also an
immense feeling of freedom that I | 1:50:31 | 1:50:36 | |
have gained from breaking from my
family. So it has been empowering. | 1:50:36 | 1:50:41 | |
As you approach Christmas without
them, you're not going to see them, | 1:50:41 | 1:50:44 | |
what are you thinking? I'm a bit
apprehensive, but it is my decision | 1:50:44 | 1:50:54 | |
and my own Christmas with the people
that mean the most to me. And are | 1:50:54 | 1:50:59 | |
special to me. What are you doing?
I'm going to New York with a close | 1:50:59 | 1:51:09 | |
friend. I'm looking forward to
seeing the Home Alone tree. A very | 1:51:09 | 1:51:15 | |
different environment and very
special. Interesting to hear her say | 1:51:15 | 1:51:21 | |
it has been empowering, that isn't
the case for many people. I think it | 1:51:21 | 1:51:26 | |
is split. A lot people feel the
freedoms too. I feel Christmas is a | 1:51:26 | 1:51:35 | |
time where that can be triggered
because of emphasis on the close | 1:51:35 | 1:51:40 | |
loving family and that is can mean
people feel isolated. How can you | 1:51:40 | 1:51:45 | |
help? It is helpful to understand wh
people are doing, our research shows | 1:51:45 | 1:51:54 | |
not everyone is going to have a
family Christmas. A quarter of the | 1:51:54 | 1:51:59 | |
population will not. It is freeing
for people to understand they don't | 1:51:59 | 1:52:03 | |
have to have a family Christmas and
Christmas can be for people who are | 1:52:03 | 1:52:07 | |
special to them. That is not
necessarily our immediate family. | 1:52:07 | 1:52:13 | |
That is the root you're -- route
you're pursuing it is interesting to | 1:52:13 | 1:52:19 | |
hear it is OK to give yourself
permission to do something | 1:52:19 | 1:52:23 | |
different. It is about reclaiming
your Christmas, saying not always | 1:52:23 | 1:52:27 | |
are we going to have to do things in
a way the adverts suggest or the | 1:52:27 | 1:52:32 | |
media suggests or is expected.
Christmas is a time also for | 1:52:32 | 1:52:38 | |
rejuvenation and it always about
reconciliation with family. It can | 1:52:38 | 1:52:42 | |
be a dangerous time to attempt that
for those that are estranged. Why | 1:52:42 | 1:52:45 | |
that is? Because those behaviours
around Christmas, involve a lot of | 1:52:45 | 1:52:53 | |
alcohol and sentimentality and that
pushes people into thinking they | 1:52:53 | 1:52:57 | |
must reconcile, but those processes
can take a long time and often need | 1:52:57 | 1:53:01 | |
interventions from professionals
too. It isn't simply a matter of | 1:53:01 | 1:53:05 | |
knocking on the door on Christmas
Day. In fact that can be very | 1:53:05 | 1:53:08 | |
damaging. When you reached the end
of this year and it is midnight, on | 1:53:08 | 1:53:16 | |
new year's eve, how will you be feel
something ing? Exhilarating, I'm | 1:53:16 | 1:53:24 | |
moving forward and making decisions
that are important to me and | 1:53:24 | 1:53:27 | |
spending time with my friends and
extended family like cousins and | 1:53:27 | 1:53:32 | |
aunts and I'm looking fore ward to
making memories with them in 2018, | 1:53:32 | 1:53:37 | |
they have been nothing but
supportive of me since April. Thank | 1:53:37 | 1:53:40 | |
you both. Happy Christmas. I
appreciate your time. Now this news | 1:53:40 | 1:53:53 | |
from HMRC, they are warning the
public about a high profile phone | 1:53:53 | 1:54:01 | |
scam that is conning people out
thousands of pound. They are cold | 1:54:01 | 1:54:06 | |
call them and pretending to be a
member of staff from HMCC and tell | 1:54:06 | 1:54:14 | |
them they owe large amounts of tax
they that only pay with gift cards. | 1:54:14 | 1:54:20 | |
They're told to go to a local shop
and buy the vouchers and read the | 1:54:20 | 1:54:33 | |
codes. The scammers use intimidation
they get, threatening to seize the | 1:54:33 | 1:54:39 | |
victim's property or involve the use
of police. The use of vouchers is an | 1:54:39 | 1:54:44 | |
attractive scam, because they're
hard to trace. That warning from | 1:54:44 | 1:54:50 | |
HMRC, scammers are cold calling
people, pretending to be an HMRC | 1:54:50 | 1:55:00 | |
member of staff saying they owe tax. | 1:55:00 | 1:55:10 | |
With Christmas round the corner,
thousands of workers on the high | 1:55:10 | 1:55:13 | |
street have an uncertain future
with two of the country's biggest | 1:55:13 | 1:55:15 | |
retailers struggling
to keep their creditors at bay. | 1:55:15 | 1:55:17 | |
About 3,000 jobs at Toys R Us
are under threat and Poundland has | 1:55:17 | 1:55:20 | |
been dragged into a storm
engulfing its South African owner | 1:55:20 | 1:55:23 | |
that could threaten its UK business
interests, which include Bensons | 1:55:23 | 1:55:25 | |
for Beds and Harveys,
the out-of-town furniture chain. | 1:55:25 | 1:55:27 | |
We can now speak to John Baulch,
Editor of ToyWorld Magazine, | 1:55:27 | 1:55:30 | |
and Kate Hardcastle,
a consumer analyst. | 1:55:30 | 1:55:36 | |
Good morning. Are you worried more
about is Toys-R-Us. Yes there has | 1:55:36 | 1:55:53 | |
been a revolution in people buying
online. Brands are prolific and if | 1:55:53 | 1:55:59 | |
we know we can buy a certain brand,
we won't worry about where that is | 1:55:59 | 1:56:04 | |
and we like the convenience. Toys R
us have huge warehouses that are not | 1:56:04 | 1:56:15 | |
enticing. They seem to have lost
their way. John, with Toys-R-Us, the | 1:56:15 | 1:56:27 | |
pensions seem to be involved. They
have moved the goal post, the CVA, | 1:56:27 | 1:56:34 | |
which they have been asked to sign
up to, needs 75% in favour to go | 1:56:34 | 1:56:39 | |
ahead. The Pension Protection Fund
has a block vote and they're | 1:56:39 | 1:56:49 | |
concerned about the pension and they
have asked for £9 million to be | 1:56:49 | 1:56:56 | |
deposited. Toys-R-Us said it can't
do that, because of the bankruptcy | 1:56:56 | 1:57:00 | |
position in the US. So the Pension
Protection Fund said it will vote | 1:57:00 | 1:57:06 | |
against the CVA. But we have two
days in which the CVA and Toys-R-Us | 1:57:06 | 1:57:11 | |
can continue to negotiate and
perhaps find a solution that works | 1:57:11 | 1:57:15 | |
for both of them. That is
interesting. Kate do you think | 1:57:15 | 1:57:25 | |
Toys-R-Us will still exist? They
will have some future, but I can't | 1:57:25 | 1:57:31 | |
imagine many of the store
environments existing. Totally | 1:57:31 | 1:57:35 | |
different with the bed brand and
furniture industry, where it is more | 1:57:35 | 1:57:40 | |
of a creditor issue. John in ten
seconds, Poundland? Poundland is a | 1:57:40 | 1:57:47 | |
difficult one, because it is more
cross category, my understanding, | 1:57:47 | 1:57:52 | |
because credit insurance is being
pulled largely, the situation could | 1:57:52 | 1:57:55 | |
be worse than your other caller is
suggesting. Thank you very much. | 1:57:55 | 1:58:09 | |
We are back tomorrow and we will be
celebrating your random acts of | 1:58:10 | 1:58:17 | |
kindness over Christmas. If you have
stories to tell let us know. | 1:58:17 | 1:58:23 | |
MUSIC: Stayin' Alive
by Bee Gees | 1:58:31 | 1:58:33 | |
It was more than just a dance movie. | 1:58:33 | 1:58:36 |