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Good morning. It's Wednesday, it's

9am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

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Welcome to our programme. Ministers

are facing severe criticism over

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what's been described as their

abject failure to tackle

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homelessness in England.

It is two too many. The council,

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there needs to be something done.

Why are we not looking after these

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people?

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We'll hear how 120,000 children

are homeless and look at the impact

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it has on them and their education.

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The Metropolitan Police is looking

at all ongoing cases. People in jail

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right now, where evidence that could

have proved their innocence hasn't

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been disclosed?

I think yeah. I

mean, there is going to be you can't

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really stop false accusations.

People do have a spiteful side and

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when people are hurt they react in a

way but wouldn't really expect.

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We'll look at whether these

mistakes are incompetence,

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carelessness or "unconscious bias"

against alleged

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perpetrators in rape cases.

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Plus, should fathers taking

parental leave be entitled

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to the same level of pay as mothers

on maternity leave?

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An employment tribunal will hear

a case this morning which argues

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dads are discriminated against.

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If you're a dad who has taken

shared parental leave,

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how have you afforded it?

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Hello and welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11am.

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Throughout the morning

the latest breaking news

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and developing stories -

a head's up that later

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the International Monetary Fund

will set out their annual review

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of the UK economy.

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We'll bring you some of that

and we'll talk to people who are

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spending their Christmas away

from their family.

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If that's you - do get in touch

and tell us how you'll be

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spending your Christmas -

use the hashtag Victoria Live

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and If you text, you will be charged

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Our top story today.

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The extent of homelessness

in England has been described

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as a "national crisis"

by a committee of MPs.

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A report by the all-party

Public Accounts Committee says

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the Government's attitude

to tackling it is

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"unacceptably complacent".

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The Government says it's investing

more than £1 billion

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to help make more affordable

housing available.

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Andy Moore reports.

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This report says the problem

of homelessness has been growing

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for years, with a number of people

in short-term accommodation

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up by 60% since 2010.

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The MPs say there is

an unacceptable shortage

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of realistic housing options.

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There are estimated to be 9,000

people sleeping rough

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on the streets every night,

that's more than doubled

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the number in 2011.

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There are a further 78,000 families

living in temporary accommodation,

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often of a poor standard,

and that includes 120,000 children.

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The committee has described

the situation as shameful.

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It's called on the Government

to focus on the supply

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and affordability of decent housing.

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You need to stop being

complacent about this.

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It is not enough also

to just throw money at it,

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it needs to be money that is fixing

the core root of the problem,

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that looks at why people

are homeless in the first place.

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Critically you need to be

building more houses,

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yes, but they need to be

truly affordable houses.

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The committee now wants

the government to come up

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with a strategy for tackling

the issue by the middle

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of next year.

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Labour said this report showed

the Conservatives had caused

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the crisis of rapidly rising

homelessness but had

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no plans to fix it.

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The Government said homelessness

was a complex problem

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and it was providing over £1 billion

over the next few years to help

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deal with the issue.

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Our correspondent

Dan Johnson is here.

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What stands out from the report

then?

The figures and the fact that

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this problem has grown consistently.

9,000 people at least sleeping

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rough, but another 78,000 households

that are part of the hidden homeless

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problem, living somewhere, but not

having their own home and that

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includes 120,000 children. That's a

staggering figure, but the language

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in here about the Government's

response that does stand out, the

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fact that the department dealing

with this apparently, the committee

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says its approach has been

unacceptably complacent and the

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limited action it has taken has

lacked the urgency that is needed.

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This light touch approach by the

Government, the committee says, has

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clearly failed. The Government says

it is putting £1 billion into this.

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The Government says its homeless

reduction Act and its rough sleeping

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taskforce will tackle this problem,

but clearly a huge issue and talked

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a lot about at this time of year and

something that's difficult to get

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right.

We are going to talk about

children who are homeless later on.

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Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

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of the rest of the day's news.

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Good morning.

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The Metropolitan Police is launching

a review of all current sex

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offence investigations,

after the collapse of a second

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rape case in a week.

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The prosecutions were halted

because of the late

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disclosure of evidence.

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Scotland Yard has confirmed the same

officer was involved

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in both investigations.

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BBC News has learnt that EU banks

will be allowed to continue

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operating in the UK as normal

after Brexit even if

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the European Union and Britain

fail to reach a deal.

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The plans from the Bank of England

mean that European banks operating

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through branches in the UK will not

have to go through the expensive

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process of creating

British subsidiaries.

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Police will continue

searching two properties,

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including a community centre,

this morning, following anti-terror

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raids in Sheffield and Chesterfield.

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Four men have been arrested and held

over an alleged Islamist terror plot

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that officers say could have been

carried out this Christmas.

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People forced to evacuate

their homes to allow the bomb

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A man has admitted knocking

a cyclist off his bike

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after the shocking incident

was captured on dash-cam.

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This footage shows the driver swerve

towards the cyclist and knock him

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off his bike before driving off

and leaving him lying in the road.

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30-year-old Ashley Wallace Merrett

pleaded guilty to dangerous driving,

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actual bodily harm and common

assault following the shocking

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incident in Colchester in Essex.

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The cyclist needed hospital

treatment but his injuries

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were not serious.

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British homes and businesses

will have a legal right

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to high-speed broadband by 2020

as part of plans to improve

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broadband speeds in rural areas.

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Under the proposals, broadband

providers will face a legal

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requirement to provide high-speed

broadband to anyone requesting it,

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subject to a cost threshold.

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The Government has decided

to regulate the industry rather

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than have a voluntary agreement.

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The European Court of Justice has

decided that the taxi hailing app

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Uber should be considered a

transport company. The ruling means

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that the firm should be subjected to

tighter EU regulation in the

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countries in which it operates.

Only 62% of the British population

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will spend most of the Christmas Day

with their closest relatives a

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survey suggests. The poll of 2,000

people by YouGov for the Stand Alone

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charity which helps people estranged

from their families suggests 12%

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will spend it with their partner's

immediate family and just 39% said

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they found the day joyful.

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The BBC is to broaden its coverage

of religions, devoting more time

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to non-Christian faiths.

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The decision follows a review

of the Corporation's output

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in response to claims it was out

of step with its audience.

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There will also be more religion

reflected in mainstream programming.

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Christmas jumpers, Prosecco, all

good giftsz gifts to find out under

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the tree. Many dog owners are

splashing out. Fiona Lamdin has been

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finding out.

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More and more are dressing dogs

in Christmas costumes.

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Just last week, 300 dogs in jumpers

smashed a world record in London.

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# The weather outside

is a frightful, but the fire

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is so delightful.

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Not hugely surprising then

that we are spending

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a lot more on them.

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Just a couple of miles across town,

much thought and planning has gone

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in to Suki the pug's wardrobe.

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On Christmas Day she will have

three changes of clothes.

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When I was a kid my parents got me

clothes for Christmas,

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and I was excited to wear

the clothes, going to see my family

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on Christmas dinner,

so it is kind of the same thing.

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She is like my daughter.

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I am like, whoa, she is.

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It is not just clothes.

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She'll have a small mountain

of presents under the tree.

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I think we spend more money

on her than on each other.

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If you come to the kitchen, there

is a section for her in the fridge.

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So you can start the day

with a mince pie,

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and your Christmas dinner.

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You have got a choice of red or

white.

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And it seems Suki isn't alone.

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Around the corner at

the local groomers...

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We have given her

a lovely warm bath.

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I can't keep the stock

on the shelves long enough.

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Sometimes I come in and wonder

what I am going to fill them with?

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Let's look around for things to get

in quickly because we can't keep up.

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I have to admit this

is a whole new world.

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I adore my dog Mouse,

but I have never bought him

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a Christmas present before.

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There are so many

things I could get him.

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A raincoat, socks, or even boots.

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UK consumers are spending more every

single year on accessories for pets.

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Just over £900 million is expected

to be spent in 2017,

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that's up 16% since 2012.

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This is an ongoing shift

towards treating pets

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much more like people.

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This really comes from

the really strong parent bond

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between owners and pets.

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# Let it snow, let it

snow, let it snow.

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It is nice to have a puffer

jacket when it is cold.

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I am buying my friends' a presents.

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The more that you treat

your dog like a human,

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the more likely they are to

develop behavioural problems.

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Shall we pack your stocking?

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Many dogs across the country

will have something under the tree,

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though I am not so sure how

many of us will be

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in matching attire!

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Definitely some pampered pooches.

They deserve it!

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30.

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I have doggy chocs and a toy for

Gracy. It is an elf with a bell on

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and Gracy will adore it.

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Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

and If you text, you will be charged

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Let's get some sport now with Holly

- and the former Wimbledon

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champion Marion Bartoli has

announced her return

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to tennis - that's a bit

of a surprise, isn't it?

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It has been a shock when she put

this video online last night. She

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has been dropping a few ominous

hints on social media I think it is

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fair to say, talking about exciting

things to come, but I don't think

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anyone expected this. It is quite a

surprise when you consider she just

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retired well nearly five years ago

now after a rather successful career

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which saw her winning eight tour

titles and reached a career high

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ranking of seventh in 2012 and then

in 2013, she fulfilled her life long

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dream of winning Wimbledon and that

was her first Grand Slam title. So,

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it's going to be a surprise to many.

It was a surprise then when she

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walked away from the sport in the

first place and many were quite

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disappointed to see her retire, but

now, at the age of 33, it looks like

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we'll get to see more of that

well-known two-handed fore hand once

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again and she posted that video to

our Instagram last night and she

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said she will be making her return

at the Miami Open next year. She has

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admitted she has a lot of training

to do, but she hopes she will be

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ready for March and she has her

sights on Wimbledon.

In retirement

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she had serious health problems,

hasn't she?

That's right. And it

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was, she made no secret of it at the

time to be honest. She revealed that

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actually at one point she had feared

for her life and that was

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contracting an unknown virus. It was

never really confirmed what had

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happened, but it did cause her to

lose a dramatic amount of weight. I

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think people were really quite

shocked when they saw her at

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Wimbledon and she was commentating

for the BBC and she was almost

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unrecognisable. Those images of her

looking extremely thin made

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headlines across the world with many

people understandably concerned

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about her health. Thankfully, since

then, she has been seen looking

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healthier and admitted she has been

working on her gym routine and

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eating healthier and playing more

tennis. She said in a video as well

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last night that she has been

training in secret since October.

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Hopefully she will able to come out

more publicly and do a bit more

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training now. She is a such a bubbly

and larger than life character. Many

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people will be so pleased to see her

back on the tour, we are looking

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forward to seeing her getting back

in training and looking out for her

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in March, Victoria.

Thank you very

much, Holly, thank you.

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All of the Metropolitan Police's

current sexual offences

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investigations are to be reviewed

after a second rape prosecution

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collapsed because the defence

was only shown evidence helpful

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to its case three months

after asking for it.

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The trial was due

to begin next month.

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The earlier case against

Liam Allan was halted

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in Croydon Crown Court last week.

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He spoke to us on this programme

on Monday and told us he wouldn't be

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surprised if there were further

cases like his.

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You can't really stop false

accusations. People do have a

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spiteful side and when people are

hurt they react in a way that you

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wouldn't really expect. So you know,

we rely on the procedure to find the

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right sort of things and as far as

I'm aware if I have been through it,

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I'm not the only one, just because

I'm the one in the media. There are

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people going through it now and you

know, that's the aim now is just

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sort of, the procedure may need to

change in order to make sure that

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this doesn't happen again, but for

the people that are going through it

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now, you know, can that change?

Reviews of other cases might happen.

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But the first step is making sure

that the procedure changes in the

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right direction so you know what

you're looking for.

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Why do you think the police didn't

disclose those 40 thousand messages

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which proved your innocence?

I

wouldn't know why. It could be a

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mistake. It could have been been I

haven't got the time to read 47,000

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messages. For me, for something this

serious and others have gone through

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the same thing, your life's on hold.

So there isn't, I would have happily

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waited another month if it meant

they would have read those properly

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and this could have been avoided. It

would saved another eight or nine

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months waiting for a trial. I think

they're under a lot of pressure,

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given how much media pressure there

is.

You don't think it was

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malicious.

I find it hard to believe

it was malicious. Thank goodness for

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the prosecution barrister who was

insisting they should be disclosed,

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because he had been to fobbed off

and he was told there was nothing

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relevant. I mean there is a lot of

credit in terms of, this is where I

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consider myself lucky, the judge

handled it so well from a neutral

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point of view and that was nice to

see, you don't feel so alone. The

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prosecutor was very understanding in

the respect that we should have that

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information. But I have got to give

credit to my barrister, which is

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Julia Smart and Simone from the law

firm, their persistence and their

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work attitude has been amazing.

There is nobody else like them for

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me and I do owe my life to them all

equally.

Liam Allan.

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The second case involves a

25-year-old man called Isaac Itiary

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who spent four months in jail

awaiting trial after being charged

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with raping a child girl

under the age of 16.

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The defence asked for details

of her text messages in September,

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but they were only just

provided this week.

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They showed she regularly

posed as a 19-year-old.

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All charges were

subsequently dropped.

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We can speak now to Lord Paddick -

he is a former Deputy

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Assistant Commissioner

of the Metropolitan Police

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and a Liberal Democrat peer.

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He says the public would be more

reassured if the current review

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of all rape investigations

being carried out was done

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independently, or by another

force instead of the Met.

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Chris Henley QC is Vice Chair

of the Criminal Bar Association -

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he believes both the Crown

Prosecution Service

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and the police have shared

responsibilities in these failings.

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Peter Kirkham - a former

Detective Chief Inspector

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who spent 21 years with the Met.

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During his time he investigated many

rape cases and believes the police

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is under huge pressure

and are not at fault.

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Why do you say they're not at fault?

I need to make it plain, I'm not

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saying they're not at fault in there

was nothing done wrong. What I'm

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saying is they're not able to do

their jobs properly. They weren't

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able to do their jobs properly in

2010. In 2010 we had about 12,000

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rapes a year being reported. We now

have about 48,000. And since 2010 we

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have reduced the number of police

officers by 20,000. That is about

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15%.

If there are text messages and

what's app messages, digital media,

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how can you as a police officer

sleep when you know you haven't

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checked them.

You can't. If you go

and speak to any police officer on

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any of the Metropolitan Polices,

they were sapphire units, they're

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now two units rolled together. You

speak to any officer, they're not

0:19:210:19:26

sleeping at night. They're suffering

from stress.

Why aren't they

0:19:260:19:30

disclosing the messages?

Because

they haven't got time to do their

0:19:300:19:34

jobs.

They could disclose them.

How

many officers do you think are

0:19:340:19:39

allocated to a rape inquiry on the

day it comes in.

It doesn't take

0:19:390:19:46

much to disclose stuff.

How many

officers do you think are allocated

0:19:460:19:52

to a rape inquiry.

Tell us how many

it is now and what it used to be.

If

0:19:520:19:57

I told you officers have over 20 on

going rape and serious allegations

0:19:570:20:04

on the go at once with no support

and insufficient supervision and

0:20:040:20:10

insufficient training, because you

can't train officers if they haven't

0:20:100:20:13

got time to come away from

operations, with no support and

0:20:130:20:18

budgets for things like laboratory

examinations cut.

I hear that, but I

0:20:180:20:23

don't know why that would stop the

police saying to the Crown

0:20:230:20:26

Prosecution Service there is a load

of messages here, let's disclose

0:20:260:20:29

them and give them the opportunity

to look at them.

That is a minor

0:20:290:20:35

issue. Of course that is wrong and

in an individual case there will be

0:20:350:20:41

problems like that. This officer

will be hauled over the coals and I

0:20:410:20:47

wouldn't be surprise if they were

pushing to put him in jail. It won't

0:20:470:20:51

solve the problem. Chris Henley was

surprising, deputy of the Criminal

0:20:510:20:57

Bar Association, why are you

smiling?

That is an overreaction.

0:20:570:21:02

But what is important is that the

police are able to do their jobs

0:21:020:21:06

properly. Because what is at stake

is the liberty of in Liam Allan's

0:21:060:21:12

case an innocent man.

Of course.

Because the investigates process was

0:21:120:21:17

not carried out effectively, his

liberty was put at risk and its

0:21:170:21:21

unacceptable. If there is a resource

problem, it falls to the officer

0:21:210:21:26

investigating the case and the Crown

Prosecution Service lawyer and the

0:21:260:21:30

barrister who stepped up in this

case to say to the judge we are not

0:21:300:21:34

ready. This is too important.

Let me

ask you, Lord Paddick, is it

0:21:340:21:41

reasonable for an investigating

officer to say there is a load of

0:21:410:21:47

messages, we haven't had time, here

they are.

Yes it is reasonable. What

0:21:470:21:52

is not reasonable...

Being

transparent about the fact that

0:21:520:21:57

there is other evidence there.

What

is not reasonable is not to look at

0:21:570:22:02

the messages and tell the defence

there is nothing to see.

Or the

0:22:020:22:06

prosecution.

Yes. What I'm concerned

about and why we need an independent

0:22:060:22:11

review is that the culture may have

shifted. When I did a review of rape

0:22:110:22:17

investigation in 2005 the problem

was the police didn't believe the

0:22:170:22:20

people making the allegations. Now,

my concern is and I'm not sure

0:22:200:22:24

whether it is true, that the culture

may have smifted, so -- shifted so

0:22:240:22:33

the complainant is always believed.

What the previous, what the previous

0:22:330:22:41

speaker has said is right. In that

there has been a massive increase in

0:22:410:22:46

the number of cases. There has been

a significant reduction both in

0:22:460:22:51

terms of the numbers of police

officers and the seniority of the

0:22:510:22:56

officers investigating the cases. In

the time which were in the Met it

0:22:560:22:59

was at least a detective sergeant

and now you have got constables

0:22:590:23:05

investigating these very serious

crimes. There is a question about

0:23:050:23:08

supervision of the officers and

about culture and resources. There

0:23:080:23:13

is a question about the volume of

this thing. In Liam Allan's case it

0:23:130:23:19

was over 2,000 pages of text

messages. That is a lot of stuff.

As

0:23:190:23:24

it has happened twice and it is the

same investigating officer we are

0:23:240:23:28

told, what do you read into that?

Clearly there is, there may be an

0:23:280:23:35

issue with that office and an issue

with supervision of that officer. It

0:23:350:23:42

might be as the prosecution

barrister said it maybe a systemic

0:23:420:23:47

problem. I don't think we can leave

to it the police and the Crown

0:23:470:23:51

Prosecution Service to get to the

bottom of it, there needs to be an

0:23:510:23:56

independent look at this.

Chris

Henley, do you, you, the chair of

0:23:560:24:06

your organisation warned unconscious

bias could be preventing the police

0:24:060:24:09

from investigating, do you agree

with that?

Yes it is possible. What

0:24:090:24:15

Brian has said about the history of

the investigation of these cases is

0:24:150:24:18

right. Complaintants used to be

treated badly. Now it has gone the

0:24:180:24:24

other way.

That still doesn't make

sense from a police officer's point

0:24:240:24:27

of view, you follow the evidence.

That what is should happen. An

0:24:270:24:32

allegation is made, a complaint is

made, of course the complaintant

0:24:320:24:38

should be treated with respect. But

then the allegation needs to be

0:24:380:24:42

tested and be set against what the

answer is whether ten suspect is

0:24:420:24:47

interviewed. This material was in

the possession of the police and it

0:24:470:24:53

obviously wouldn't have taken long

if it was sifted through and it

0:24:530:24:57

wasn't, because the defence

barrister sat up all night to do her

0:24:570:25:03

job, hours for which she won't be

paid, because of the cuts across the

0:25:030:25:06

system, not just the barristers, the

the courts are crumbles. The

0:25:060:25:14

inspectorate reviewed the disclosure

process and July said there were

0:25:140:25:18

fails.

What would your advice be to

anybody who maybe investigating now,

0:25:180:25:25

for crimes of a sexual offence or

who may be in jail now as I was

0:25:250:25:29

putting to Liam Allan and

potentially wondering if they're a

0:25:290:25:34

victim of a miscarriage of justice.

Well it must be demoralising if

0:25:340:25:41

you're on the receiving end of this

and you feel the matter has not been

0:25:410:25:45

investigated properly. You keep

faith with your solicitor and the

0:25:450:25:51

barrister who will fight your corner

and thank goodness we have

0:25:510:26:00

independent barristers who don't

take at face value everything their

0:26:000:26:02

told and want to see the material

themselves.

We have some messages

0:26:020:26:10

from people listening. Research for

the Home Office suggests only 4% of

0:26:100:26:15

cases of sexual violence reported to

the police are suspected to be

0:26:150:26:18

false. Bruce says, the police seem

to be damned if they do and damned

0:26:180:26:23

if they don't. Martin says, Liam

Allan was held under police bail

0:26:230:26:29

while they trawled for evidence.

This practice is common to

0:26:290:26:32

constitute a threat to liberty.

Another e-mail from Peter, the media

0:26:320:26:37

put pressure on the police to get

convictions in rape cases and this

0:26:370:26:40

is a way of satisfying the media

craving. Thank you all very much.

0:26:400:26:51

More on this later. Your views is

welcome. Particularly if you're

0:26:570:27:00

being investigated now for a crime

of a sexual offences nature.

0:27:000:27:06

A man who threw acid across a packed

London nightclub injuring 22 people

0:27:060:27:09

has been jailed for 20 years.

0:27:090:27:11

Arthur Collins, the ex-boyfriend

of reality TV star Ferne McCann,

0:27:110:27:15

admitted throwing the liquid but had

claimed he believed

0:27:150:27:18

it was a date rape drug.

0:27:180:27:22

Last month he was found guilty

of five counts of GBH with intent

0:27:220:27:25

and nine counts of ABH.

0:27:250:27:28

This CCTV footage shows

the moment of the attack -

0:27:280:27:33

Collins had claimed in court he had

taken the bottle from a group

0:27:330:27:36

of men with whom he had

got into an argument.

0:27:360:27:40

He said he snatched it thinking

it was a date rape drug.

0:27:400:27:44

"I wanted to show them

the drug was gone; show them

0:27:440:27:46

there was nothing

left in the bottle."

0:27:460:27:48

But the jury didn't believe his

defence and on sentencing

0:27:480:27:51

the judge told him:

defence and on sentencing

0:27:510:27:54

A total of 22 people were injured

as a result of the attack,

0:28:150:28:18

16 of whom suffered serious burns.

0:28:180:28:20

Victims who read impact

statements to the court spoke

0:28:200:28:23

of feeling "scared",

"traumatised" and "suicidal"

0:28:230:28:24

as a result of the attack.

0:28:240:28:33

One victim was Lauren Trent.

0:28:330:28:36

For me, it doesn't

change what happened.

0:28:360:28:38

It sets a standard for anyone out

there thinking about throwing acid,

0:28:380:28:41

especially a Ph1 acid over

another human being.

0:28:410:28:43

I think it's the fear

of the unknown.

0:28:430:28:46

That night there was nothing to

indicate what was about to happen.

0:28:460:28:48

I was in a nightclub,

a place I should have been safe.

0:28:480:28:51

It was my 22nd birthday.

0:28:510:28:53

My birthday is now an anniversary

of an acid attack.

0:28:530:28:56

I didn't walk in there with scars.

0:28:560:28:58

I'm now fearful of

people I don't know.

0:28:580:29:01

If a commotion breaks out,

the first thing that now

0:29:010:29:03

goes through my head is,

are they going to throw acid?

0:29:030:29:08

Something I would like to think

would not affect my life,

0:29:080:29:11

but it has affected my thoughts

and actions and it

0:29:110:29:14

will from this day on.

0:29:140:29:15

Perhaps about where I stand

in a club, perhaps what I do

0:29:150:29:18

when a fight breaks out.

0:29:180:29:19

I would like to think I'm stronger

than that and I would like to think

0:29:190:29:23

his actions will not get to me

and I would like to think I'm

0:29:230:29:26

moving on with my life.

0:29:260:29:28

But today, I would say

I'm not the Laura I was

0:29:280:29:30

when I walked into Mangle.

0:29:300:29:36

Joining me is Andreas Christopheros.

0:29:360:29:37

Three years ago, he survived

being doused in sulphuric acid.

0:29:370:29:44

Thank you for talking to us. How do

you react to this 20-year sentence?

0:29:440:29:52

I spent st last year campaigning for

tougher sentences. I believe anyone

0:29:520:30:00

who commits an acid attack should be

facing life with a minimum term of

0:30:000:30:04

20 years. Now we have got to the 20

year point that seems like a great

0:30:040:30:10

achievement, but I still would have

like to see life. Life is reserved

0:30:100:30:15

for people who are a danger to

society and Arthur Collins is

0:30:150:30:19

obviously a dangerous man. What

happened to your attacker? My

0:30:190:30:24

attacker was originally sentenced to

life with a minimum term of eight

0:30:240:30:29

years. Reappealed the sentence. The

eight years was not long enough. We

0:30:290:30:35

were told the judge acted fairly and

it was in line with case line and

0:30:350:30:40

our appeal was not granted. But

unbeknown to us, my attacker

0:30:400:30:46

appealed the life aspect of the

sentence of which his appeal got

0:30:460:30:52

granted to the court. So shortly

after the sentence we went to the

0:30:520:30:57

High Court in London where three of

highest ranking judges in the land

0:30:570:31:03

deemed David Phillips not to be a

dangerous man and lifted life are

0:31:030:31:07

the sentence, shortening his

sentence to 16 years of which he

0:31:070:31:11

will only serve eight, that is five

years from now. I have passed the

0:31:110:31:17

three year anniversary of the

attack. In five years I will still

0:31:170:31:25

be having surgery and I will wear

the scars for the rest of my life.

0:31:250:31:36

Tell our audience what happened to

you?

It was December, 9th 2014, I

0:31:360:31:42

opened my door to an unknown man,

assuming it was a courier in the

0:31:420:31:47

run-up to Christmas. We have people

coming and going from the house on a

0:31:470:31:51

regular basis and I opened the door

confidently as I would normally and

0:31:510:31:55

I received a beaker of sulphuric

acid to my face. It was a large

0:31:550:31:59

amount. About over a pint. I think

that's why my injuries are full

0:31:590:32:06

facial and more severe. It was a

case of mistaken identity. He was

0:32:060:32:13

trying to target someone who lived

close to me.

0:32:130:32:18

I got rushed to hospital and I

started my recovery from there.

And

0:32:180:32:22

what do you think of campaigners who

want restrictions on the easy

0:32:220:32:29

availability of acid effectively?

Restrictions, it was it has been too

0:32:290:32:38

easy to buy sulphuric acid. Amber

Rudd stood up at the Tory Party

0:32:380:32:42

conference and made it clear they

will put an age restriction on

0:32:420:32:46

sulphuric acid which seems

ludicrous. You would have thought it

0:32:460:32:51

would have been restricted by age.

So that was a step in the right

0:32:510:32:54

direction. Shortly she came forward

with the two strike policy for

0:32:540:33:02

anyone carrying acids, if you are

caught carrying acid, it is six

0:33:020:33:08

months inside, twice. One bit of

legislation that legislation that I

0:33:080:33:14

have been pushing for is to take

acid from its original bottle. Acid

0:33:140:33:21

is sold in marked bottles. It would

be an easy law to implement make to

0:33:210:33:28

sure it can't be put into anything

else. If someone is caught carrying

0:33:280:33:32

a squirty bottle of acid then they

should be automatically face six

0:33:320:33:36

months inside.

Thank you for talking to us. We

0:33:360:33:41

appreciate your time.

0:33:410:33:48

Should fathers taking parental leave

be entitled to the same level of pay

0:33:480:33:52

as mothers on maternity leave? We

will be talking to some dads about

0:33:520:33:56

their experiences and we're keen to

hear from you as well. The festive

0:33:560:34:01

season sees us bombarded with

festive family cheer, but a third of

0:34:010:34:07

us will be spending Christmas

without a family member. Tell us

0:34:070:34:11

what you're doing on Christmas Day.

0:34:110:34:13

Time for the latest

news, here's Annita.

0:34:130:34:15

The BBC News headlines this morning.

0:34:150:34:17

The Government is being accused

of "abject failure" in its attempt

0:34:170:34:19

to tackle homelessness in England.

0:34:190:34:21

A damning report by the all-party

Public Accounts Committee says

0:34:210:34:23

the issue has become

a national crisis.

0:34:230:34:25

The government says it's investing

more than £1 billion to help make

0:34:250:34:28

more affordable housing available.

0:34:280:34:35

The Metropolitan Police is launching

a review of all its current sex

0:34:350:34:38

offence investigations

after the collapse of a second

0:34:380:34:40

rape case in a week.

0:34:400:34:42

The prosecutions were halted

because of the late disclosure

0:34:420:34:45

of digital evidence.

0:34:450:34:46

Scotland Yard has confirmed the same

detective was involved

0:34:460:34:48

in both investigations.

0:34:480:34:52

in both investigations.

0:34:520:34:54

BBC News has learnt that EU banks

will be allowed to continue

0:34:540:34:57

operating in the UK as normal

after Brexit even if

0:34:570:34:59

the European Union and Britain

fail to reach a deal.

0:34:590:35:02

The plans from the Bank of England

mean that European banks operating

0:35:020:35:06

through branches in the UK will not

have to go through the expensive

0:35:060:35:09

process of creating

British subsidiaries.

0:35:090:35:16

A man has admitted knocking

a cyclist off his bike

0:35:160:35:20

after the shocking incident

was captured on dash-cam.

0:35:200:35:22

This footage shows the driver swerve

towards the cyclist and knock him

0:35:220:35:25

off his bike before driving off

and leaving him lying in the road.

0:35:250:35:29

30-year-old Ashley Wallace Merrett

pleaded guilty to dangerous driving,

0:35:290:35:33

actual bodily harm and common

assault following the shocking

0:35:330:35:36

incident in Colchester in Essex.

0:35:360:35:41

The cyclist needed hospital

treatment, but his injuries

0:35:410:35:43

were not serious.

0:35:430:35:46

An employment tribunal will hear

a landmark case on whether firms

0:35:460:35:49

which offer enhanced maternity pay

to women can give only a statutory

0:35:490:35:54

minimum to their male

employees when they take

0:35:540:35:55

shared parental leave.

0:35:550:35:58

The outsourcing company Capita

appealed against an earlier ruling

0:35:580:36:01

that it discriminated

against a new father.

0:36:010:36:02

Shared parental leave was introduced

more than two years ago but take up

0:36:020:36:05

rates are lower than 10%.

0:36:050:36:11

The BBC is to broaden its coverage

of religions, devoting more time

0:36:110:36:14

to non-Christian faiths.

0:36:140:36:16

The decision follows a review

of the Corporation's output

0:36:160:36:18

in response to claims it was out

of step with its audience.

0:36:180:36:21

There will also be more religion

reflected in mainstream programming.

0:36:210:36:30

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:36:300:36:32

Here's some sport now with Holly.

0:36:320:36:35

Birmingham is set to be named as the

host of the 2022 Commonwealth Games.

0:36:350:36:39

They were the only city to bid

before the original deadline, but

0:36:390:36:43

the proposal was deemed to be not

fully compliant and the deadline was

0:36:430:36:51

extended, but they have won the

right to stage the event. Manchester

0:36:510:36:56

City talk of four trophies. They are

through to the semi-finals, but the

0:36:560:37:01

manager has dismissed talk of a

quadruple insisting it's

0:37:010:37:05

unrealistic. Marion Bartoli Has

announced her return to tennis. She

0:37:050:37:14

retired four years ago, but she will

be back for the Miami Open in March.

0:37:140:37:22

Ben Duckett has been told he won't

take part in the England Lions Tour

0:37:220:37:27

to the West Indies next year. He

with-suspended for pouring a drink

0:37:270:37:32

over James Anderson's head in a

Perth bar. More in the next half an

0:37:320:37:35

hour.

0:37:350:37:40

It's that time of year when we're

bombarded with pictures and videos

0:37:400:37:43

of the perfect Christmas,

but if we're honest we know it's not

0:37:430:37:46

like that for a lot of people -

and seeing everyone pretending it's

0:37:460:37:49

perfect can actually be pretty hard.

0:37:490:37:51

A new survey by a charity

which works with people who are

0:37:510:37:53

estranged from their families

suggests that only two

0:37:530:37:55

out of three of us

in Britain will spend most

0:37:550:37:58

of Christmas Day with our immediate

family.

0:37:580:38:00

Our reporter Catrin Nye spoke

to three people who don't have

0:38:000:38:02

contact with their family

about Christmas when it's

0:38:020:38:02

It is portrayed as the perfect

situation, isn't it?

0:38:090:38:12

With the family sitting

around the Christmas tree,

0:38:120:38:15

and reality is starker.

0:38:150:38:19

I remember last Christmas,

there wasn't even

0:38:190:38:23

that noise of the door being opened,

and I just felt so unwanted, and

0:38:230:38:28

I felt as though everyone has

someone or somewhere, and I didn't

0:38:280:38:33

have that.

0:38:330:38:39

I was very upset, and I just

stayed in my room, pretty

0:38:390:38:41

much, cried all day.

0:38:410:38:42

Farah has no contact

with any of her family.

0:38:420:38:47

She grew up with just

her mum, but has

0:38:470:38:51

not spoken to her at

all for two years now.

0:38:510:38:54

And lives in another

city at university.

0:38:540:38:56

She didn't want to

use her real name.

0:38:560:38:57

When her friends go

home for Christmas, she

0:38:570:38:59

is left alone.

0:38:590:39:03

This year, although I will still be

in the same building,

0:39:030:39:11

I just aim not to be upset, really,

and just treat like a normal day.

0:39:110:39:15

Just spent the day with music

playing or something, so that I can

0:39:150:39:18

overcome the fear of silence.

0:39:180:39:20

Yeah, the gulf is massive.

0:39:200:39:28

The idea that is represented in TV

programmes and ads and

0:39:280:39:31

the actual reality of

people's real lives.

0:39:310:39:33

Christmas then becomes even

more of a contradiction.

0:39:330:39:35

It's portrayed as the

perfect situation,

0:39:350:39:36

isn't it, with the family sitting

around the Christmas tree, and

0:39:360:39:39

reality is starker.

0:39:390:39:44

David Wilson does have contact

with some of his family.

0:39:440:39:49

He is also married, and so,

not completely alone, but he says

0:39:490:39:52

at Christmas he is reminded more

than ever of the family that he

0:39:520:39:55

doesn't get to see.

0:39:550:39:57

With my youngest son,

who is now living in

0:39:570:40:01

Spain, there is a problem there,

in that I don't see him

0:40:010:40:08

or my grandson, actually,

so, I've got a grandson

0:40:080:40:13

aged three who I don't see.

0:40:130:40:16

I am quite unable to

explain it, because

0:40:160:40:19

nobody has ever told me.

0:40:190:40:21

The lines went dead.

0:40:210:40:23

So, you just really

don't fully know?

0:40:230:40:25

No.

0:40:250:40:33

I'm not in contact with my mum.

0:40:330:40:35

I sent her an e-mail

basically saying that I

0:40:350:40:37

didn't want to have

contact with her any more.

0:40:370:40:41

My younger brother didn't really

want to talk to me after that.

0:40:410:40:45

I haven't spoken to my dad in years.

0:40:450:40:48

Because my parents got divorced

when I was seven and he

0:40:480:40:51

lives in Manchester,

and doesn't have an address.

0:40:510:40:59

Like, because it's the end

of term now, people will be

0:40:590:41:01

asking me, when are you going home?

0:41:010:41:03

And I kind of just say, I'm not.

0:41:030:41:05

I just avoid telling people

about my situation just

0:41:050:41:09

because I fear of having any

insensitive comments

0:41:090:41:11

being said to me.

0:41:110:41:17

How can your mother not

love you or why can't

0:41:170:41:19

you two just patch up?

0:41:190:41:20

Everyone does have the

assumption that a mother

0:41:200:41:23

loves her child, but, there

are unfortunately some exceptions

0:41:230:41:25

to that.

0:41:250:41:27

Tell me about your

grandson at Christmas.

0:41:270:41:28

Yeah.

0:41:280:41:31

I give him a present every

Christmas and birthday.

0:41:310:41:33

So that's two a year.

0:41:330:41:35

And I put them in a box.

0:41:350:41:39

That's enough.

0:41:510:41:54

One day, he'll know that

I did care enough to get

0:41:540:41:57

him those things, yeah.

0:41:570:41:59

So, I think it has meaning

for me, and it has

0:41:590:42:01

meaning for him.

0:42:010:42:06

You'll see all the pictures

on Facebook of people with

0:42:060:42:09

their families and big

piles of presents.

0:42:090:42:12

I think, it's just weird

being different to everyone else

0:42:120:42:16

around you because there's nothing

on the TV, really, about not

0:42:160:42:19

spending Christmas with your family.

0:42:190:42:21

Like, it's just kind

of expected that you go...

0:42:210:42:23

It's just all very, like, positive.

0:42:230:42:26

Nobody's really saying Christmas

can be hard for people.

0:42:260:42:30

I have two sisters

who I am close to.

0:42:300:42:36

A selfish thing to say,

because it that she quite difficult

0:42:360:42:42

for me to sit with my sister

and say, "How's your grandson?"

0:42:420:42:47

Because I know he's

fine, and I'm not.

0:42:470:42:49

So, there's an element of that.

0:42:490:42:53

When I was growing up

it was weird, anyway.

0:42:530:42:55

Because, like, we would have

quite a small Christmas,

0:42:550:42:57

and so I would cook the Christmas

dinner and wrapped my

0:42:570:42:59

own presents, and my brother's

presents and do a lot of the

0:42:590:43:02

Christmas shopping, as well.

0:43:020:43:03

Amy now spends Christmas

with her boyfriend's

0:43:030:43:05

family, a new family.

0:43:050:43:06

It does feel like I'm tagging

onto somebody else's family

0:43:060:43:08

Christmas a lot of the time.

0:43:080:43:15

I get some presents

there that I don't

0:43:150:43:16

know about from my boyfriend's

family, because they're lovely.

0:43:160:43:19

I have the Christmas dinners that

I don't have to cook it's wonderful,

0:43:190:43:22

really.

0:43:220:43:23

So, I kind of consider

them my family, now.

0:43:230:43:25

Sometimes I just like to observe

festive happy people.

0:43:250:43:27

It makes me think that one day,

when I start my own family, I

0:43:270:43:30

want to be like that.

0:43:300:43:32

Insofar as I can sit

in the chair and give anyone

0:43:320:43:34

advise, is, it's go out and do

something with yourself, and expand

0:43:340:43:37

your family.

0:43:370:43:39

In every way.

0:43:390:43:40

Whether its books,

music, good friends...

0:43:400:43:42

Family doesn't just

have to be biological.

0:43:420:43:49

Christmas is definitely a time

where I feel that I need to be loved

0:43:490:43:53

and the longer you are a strange,

the more desperate

0:43:530:43:55

you become for love.

0:43:550:43:56

I would much rather spend Christmas

with my boyfriend's family and feel

0:43:560:44:00

a bit out of place,

than try and fit into

0:44:000:44:03

a normal family Christmas and just

find the whole thing horrible.

0:44:030:44:05

Because it's meant

to be a nice time.

0:44:050:44:12

Sarah says, "I love being on my own.

Alone does not equal lonely." Rosie

0:44:190:44:24

on Facebook says, "I will be working

this Christmas. I don't mind. I like

0:44:240:44:29

working Christmas and I like making

sure the patients get fed on the

0:44:290:44:32

wards. Those who people who don't

get home for Christmas and new work

0:44:320:44:37

and I will see my family after

work." Pam says, "Christmas has the

0:44:370:44:42

same effect on me as Mother's Day

and father's day. My family live in

0:44:420:44:50

Australia. It is another day of

housework, charity work, etcetera. I

0:44:500:44:55

wish it wasn't commercial." Ian

says, "I must be the only one happy

0:44:550:45:00

on my own for the first time this

Christmas because I can watch

0:45:000:45:04

whatever I want on TV."

0:45:040:45:07

Really keen to hear

from you this morning -

0:45:070:45:16

if you're spending Christmas

without your family -

0:45:160:45:18

do get in touch and tell

us what you're doing.

0:45:180:45:20

Coming up:

0:45:200:45:23

We will be talking to a fisherman.

0:45:230:45:28

Should new dads who want to take

time off to look after their baby be

0:45:280:45:32

entitled to the same pay as women

taking maternity leave?

0:45:320:45:34

That's the question that is due

to be answered by an employment

0:45:340:45:37

tribunal in an appeal hearing

that opens today.

0:45:370:45:39

The case is the first

of its kind by a man under

0:45:390:45:42

Shared Parental Leave laws -

which came into force

0:45:420:45:44

three years ago.

0:45:440:45:45

Shared Parental Leave gives parents

the right to split their leave

0:45:450:45:48

between mum and dad,

but some companies pay mothers

0:45:480:45:50

an enhanced maternity payment whilst

dad get the statutory minimum.

0:45:500:45:52

Perhaps that explains why take

up rates are pitifully

0:45:520:45:55

low, at lower than 10%.

0:45:550:46:00

In a moment we'll be

talking to some dads,

0:46:000:46:02

but first let's speak to our legal

eagle, Clive Coleman.

0:46:020:46:06

Let's talk now to some dads

who have taken advantage

0:46:100:46:12

of shared parental leave and one

who wanted to, but says

0:46:120:46:15

the system is unfair.

0:46:150:46:16

Tom Higham is in Salford,

Josh Lawson joins us

0:46:160:46:18

from Chester and with me

here is Simon Knee.

0:46:180:46:21

Hi Josh.

Hi.

Here is Simon. Lucas

was two last month. He is around. He

0:46:210:46:31

will join us when he feels like it.

Tom, the issue is maternity pay is

0:46:310:46:39

generally higher than shared

parental leave. How much higher.

0:46:390:46:42

That is part of it, but mothers get

90% of full pay for several weeks at

0:46:420:46:49

the start of pregnancy, at the

beginning of having a child, while

0:46:490:46:55

we are not advocating for lower pay

for mothers, we're advocating for

0:46:550:47:02

equal rights to men who take

paternalty leave. If you want to

0:47:020:47:08

create a balanced family and economy

and all of the positives that ensues

0:47:080:47:13

for the child and the family and the

work place, you have to make an

0:47:130:47:18

effort to make pay more equal in a

society and in a country where there

0:47:180:47:22

is a still a huge gender pay gap,

17% or 19%, and also a situation

0:47:220:47:32

where mothers are given incentives

not to work and fathers making a

0:47:320:47:37

decision as a family, a father going

out to work is more likely to bring

0:47:370:47:42

in more money. It is important for

children and fathers and families

0:47:420:47:47

and the economy if we make some

proper efforts to equalise how

0:47:470:47:52

parenting works.

Does it seem

extraordinary that mums and dads

0:47:520:47:57

don't have equal rights on this?

Yes

what frustrate us the narrative,

0:47:570:48:05

particularly from the Conservative

Government is we offered shared

0:48:050:48:10

parental leave, but dads are not

taking it up. I read just 1%. It is

0:48:100:48:17

not the full story. Dads don't take

it down because statutory is £139 a

0:48:170:48:25

week. And if a dad is on a higher

salary, you won't be able to afford.

0:48:250:48:35

It is not true they don't want to

take parental leave. There a swathe

0:48:350:48:41

of fathers who want to engage more

in their children's upbringing.

Josh

0:48:410:48:46

you are one of those dads, what has

it meant to you to be off work with

0:48:460:48:52

your son.

It is critical to get that

time to bond. I have always wanted

0:48:520:49:00

to be a dad, I wouldn't have had a

clue without those early months to

0:49:000:49:05

bond and I'm in a privileged

position where I knew about shared

0:49:050:49:09

parental leave and could take

advantage of it in work, I think the

0:49:090:49:13

company was...

They gave you full

pay for 22 weeks?

Yes for the

0:49:130:49:23

entirety of my time off. 22 weeks

and further few weeks for standard

0:49:230:49:32

parental paternity. If one of us had

to go back to work, it must be my

0:49:320:49:38

partner.

Simon, Lucas will hopefully

just us at some point. Your issue is

0:49:380:49:45

different, your wife is free lance,

what were the issues that came up

0:49:450:49:50

for you?

My company were helpful and

supported me in taking shared

0:49:500:49:58

parental leave and itself was good

too take it in blocks. But I had to

0:49:580:50:06

do it at the end of period when he

was nine months old.

Why did you

0:50:060:50:12

have to do it at the end?

With my

wife being self-employed she gets a

0:50:120:50:20

maternity allowance, but that stops

and you can't mix and match with

0:50:200:50:28

your partner so one person has a

month off and then the other. For

0:50:280:50:32

family finance reasons, the only way

to work it work was for Olga to look

0:50:320:50:37

after him for the first nine months

and then I could in the last three

0:50:370:50:42

months of year take my shared

parental pay.

Do you think you

0:50:420:50:49

missed out?

Yes because those early

months are important and I valued

0:50:490:50:53

the time that I had. The other thing

was I could see my wife being

0:50:530:50:58

self-employed at that time getting

stressed out with those nine months,

0:50:580:51:01

because she didn't know if she was

going to have clients to come back

0:51:010:51:05

to. But it wasn't a choice we had to

work out what way we could make it

0:51:050:51:11

work for our family.

Tom, the

employment appeals tribunal will

0:51:110:51:18

hear this appeal to determine

whether bosses have to pay fathers

0:51:180:51:22

the same as they would pay a work

taking maternity leave. What do you

0:51:220:51:27

think is going to be outcome? On the

face of it it seems to be straight

0:51:270:51:33

forward discrimination?

Yes it is, I

feel conflicted, because the odds

0:51:330:51:39

are stacked against women in the

work place in many ways across the

0:51:390:51:45

economy and across the demographics,

if you want to address the way

0:51:450:51:51

families work and societies work and

the economy works, why not equalise

0:51:510:51:55

it? And take, we always quote the

statistics and anecdotes from

0:51:550:52:03

northern Europe and in Sweden where

they have a situation that there is

0:52:030:52:08

a use it or lose it access to full

paid parental leave, so a family

0:52:080:52:14

unit gets access to incredible

rights, if you use it you get access

0:52:140:52:19

f you don't, you don't. It

incentivizes men to get involved

0:52:190:52:26

with their family and for woman not

to disenage from work. So surely and

0:52:260:52:35

hopefully everything crossed that

today comes back with the right

0:52:350:52:39

verdict.

Josh, let me put this to

you a tweet from somebody watching,

0:52:390:52:45

why should employers pay for your

family?

Put yourself in that

0:52:450:52:51

situation, everybody needs that

time, it is unfair for a man, a male

0:52:510:52:55

not to have that time to bond, the

female does the hard work in the

0:52:550:53:01

pregnancy.

I don't they they are

saying, but why should your boss's

0:53:010:53:11

company pay for that.

My boss is a

father himself he would would put

0:53:110:53:19

himself in that scenario. It is down

to a human. It is something that

0:53:190:53:23

gets overlooked, we know about the

importance of the bond with the

0:53:230:53:27

baby, but Tom alluded to the fact

that you need to be there to support

0:53:270:53:31

your partner as well. Me and my

partner are first time parents and

0:53:310:53:36

there was some small complications

and she needed that support and it

0:53:360:53:40

was amazing for me to be there to

offer that support at that time. But

0:53:400:53:45

I mean looking at from it a human

perspective as opposed to a business

0:53:450:53:51

perspective. People need that time.

Let me read this message from Katie,

0:53:510:53:59

another consideration is maternity

and paternity leave when your baby

0:53:590:54:06

is born prematurely. I spent the

first few months travelling to

0:54:060:54:11

hospital and missed three months of

normal maternity leave. All the

0:54:110:54:16

while my partner had to go back to

work, knowing his baby was in

0:54:160:54:22

hospital. This should be reviewed on

a more individual basis. Thank you

0:54:220:54:30

for coming in with your boys and

have a lovely Christmas. Thank you.

0:54:300:54:37

Next: The footballer Sol Campbell

believes he experienced a

0:54:370:54:41

life-changing moment when he became

a teenager. That gave him the

0:54:410:54:45

determination to become one koft

country's most successful players

0:54:450:54:49

and he has gone back to London to

inspire children there to look for

0:54:490:54:53

their own moment.

You all right?

Good. How's things. Good. Here we

0:54:530:55:03

go. Robert, long, time. Must be

what? 30 years?

Yeah.

It must be at

0:55:030:55:12

least 30 mans. This man what a

player. Obviously you didn't fulfil

0:55:120:55:17

your dreams at the time. Because you

was a exceptional player.

Years ago

0:55:170:55:23

I grew up in the same area

obviously. You know the temptations

0:55:230:55:29

that were there. Went out, done the

wrong things, wrong attitude.

0:55:290:55:34

I think you know sometimes you have

got to say, when does it kick in?

0:55:410:55:47

When does that you know... That

light turns on. When does that

0:55:470:55:54

lightning bolt hit you. My moment

was when I said to myself, there is

0:55:540:55:58

too many people in my house. No

space. Who wants to be a footballer?

0:55:580:56:05

Me.

Me.

Do you think it is easy?

No.

You have to work hard.

You have to

0:56:050:56:12

work hard?

Obviously.

Really?

Obviously.

Yeah. If I left work...

0:56:120:56:21

If you work hard do you think it

always comes.

No sometimes you get

0:56:210:56:26

let down.

My family were looking to

where is the next pound coming from,

0:56:260:56:33

the food on the table, people

haven't got time to worry about how

0:56:330:56:37

you are feeling or whatever. It is

about get some money, because we

0:56:370:56:42

have got to pay the bills. Why do

you think I kind of you know made

0:56:420:56:48

it, it is just discipline or just

determination or I don't know.

Many

0:56:480:56:52

people didn't have the talent I had

went on, had the right attitude,

0:56:520:56:57

worked hard and became a

professional. I believe you wanted

0:56:570:57:01

it. You wanted it more. And you had

ability. You don't make it unless

0:57:010:57:06

you have ability to start with. But

you have to have the right attitude.

0:57:060:57:11

I done the first trial at QPR and

the first atroe turf pitch, I had to

0:57:110:57:20

borrow the AstroTurf boots, played

on the pitch, score ed two wells and

0:57:200:57:28

Bobby Robson was in the office at

the last trial and he asked me, why

0:57:280:57:33

have you been thrown out of three

schools in three years? I didn't

0:57:330:57:37

have an answer and I begged the man

to say if you take me away from

0:57:370:57:43

where I am and give me a chance and

three weeks later I get the answer.

0:57:430:57:50

I believe Andy Cole got picked over

me.

I think I grew up in that moment

0:57:500:57:54

and it became the norm. It is only

when you step out of the norm that

0:57:540:58:00

you were under severe pressure at an

Airlie age in your -- an early age

0:58:000:58:05

in your life.

That was Sol Campbell

returning to his roots. No I the

0:58:050:58:10

weather.

0:58:100:58:10

returning to his roots. No I the

weather. We have a cloudy day for

0:58:100:58:15

many parts with some misty and foggy

conditions this morning and our

0:58:150:58:20

weather watchers have been taking

picture of the fog. The first one

0:58:200:58:24

here if we can run this, bear with

me. That one there in

0:58:240:58:30

Buckinghamshire, a lot of fog. And

fog in the South West. But it is not

0:58:300:58:34

foggy for all of us. We have got

some brighter skies. Mainly in the

0:58:340:58:39

northern half of the UK. In Stirling

some blue skies is. Maybe some cloud

0:58:390:58:45

here later. But it will stay largely

dry in Scotland and Northern

0:58:450:58:50

Ireland. Some showers in the far

north-west of Scotland. Elsewhere in

0:58:500:58:54

England and Wales cloudy and still

some misty conditions. But it is

0:58:540:59:01

mild. Temperatures about nine, 10,

11, 12 Celsius. Still some mist and

0:59:010:59:10

fog patches lingering. In the higher

ground of Wales and north-west

0:59:100:59:16

England still some fog. For Scotland

and Northern Ireland, here some

0:59:160:59:21

brighter skies. Temperatures lower

at nine to 12 degrees. Wednesday

0:59:210:59:26

evening will continue to see a lot

of cloud and still some mist and fog

0:59:260:59:30

in parts of England and Wales.

Perhaps becoming more extensive into

0:59:300:59:34

the early hours of Thursday morning.

And rain spreading north across

0:59:340:59:38

Northern Ireland into north-west

England, Wales and the south-east of

0:59:380:59:41

England. Further north temperatures

down to four degrees. For many still

0:59:410:59:47

a mild night. And milder conditions

continuing on Thursday. The cloudier

0:59:470:59:54

skies associated with the weather

front. Some rain in Northern Ireland

0:59:540:59:58

into the south of Scotland. The far

north-east of Scotland having

0:59:581:00:02

brighter skies, but for most not a

great deal of change. Lots of grey

1:00:021:00:09

skies, misty and foggy conditions

and temperatures into double

1:00:091:00:12

figures. This system is with on

Friday and shifts a bit. And the

1:00:121:00:19

rain just shifting a bit. So not a

great deal of change. Still under

1:00:191:00:24

the influence of high pressure. For

Friday, again lots of cloud, some

1:00:241:00:30

rain across Wales. A lot of that

will clear. A few bright spells. But

1:00:301:00:35

again temperatures up into double

figures for many and in the run up

1:00:351:00:39

to Christmas, it will stay mild, a

lot of cloud and still mist and fog

1:00:391:00:45

and some rain in the far north. But

it gets more interesting from

1:00:451:00:49

Christmas Day onwards.

1:00:491:00:52

Hello.

It's Wednesday.

1:00:521:00:54

It's 10am.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:00:541:01:03

Today, homeless has been described

as a national crisis.

1:01:031:01:11

It is two too many. The council,

there needs to be something done.

1:01:111:01:16

Why are we not looking after these

guys? That's two too many and there

1:01:161:01:20

are still people on the street right

now.

1:01:201:01:24

We'll hear how 120,000 children

are homeless and look at the impact

1:01:241:01:27

it has on them and their education.

1:01:271:01:29

A fishery with sign banning Polish

and "Eastern bloc" anglers is facing

1:01:291:01:32

possible legal action.

1:01:321:01:37

There are different ways to deal

with the matter, not banning the

1:01:371:01:42

whole community or the whole country

anglers from a fishery.

1:01:421:01:47

The farmer says he is standing up

for his rights. The full interview

1:01:471:01:50

in the next half an hour.

1:01:501:01:57

And 3.5 million people will spend

most of Christmas Day alone

1:01:571:02:00

this year in the UK.

1:02:001:02:01

We'll be talking about loneliness

during the festive period.

1:02:011:02:04

Let me know what you're doing.

1:02:041:02:06

Good morning.

1:02:061:02:07

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

1:02:071:02:11

Good morning.

1:02:111:02:13

The Government is being accused

of "abject failure" in its attempt

1:02:131:02:16

to tackle homelessness in England.

1:02:161:02:17

A damning report by the all-party

Public Accounts Committee says

1:02:171:02:19

the issue has become

a national crisis.

1:02:191:02:25

The Government says it's investing

more than £1 billion to help make

1:02:251:02:27

more affordable housing available.

1:02:271:02:32

The Metropolitan Police is launching

a review of all its current sex

1:02:321:02:35

offence investigations

after the collapse of a second

1:02:351:02:37

rape case in a week.

1:02:371:02:38

The prosecutions were halted

because of the late disclosure

1:02:381:02:41

of digital evidence.

1:02:411:02:42

Scotland Yard has confirmed the same

detective was involved

1:02:421:02:44

in both investigations.

1:02:441:02:48

In 2010 we had about 12,000 rapes

a year being reported.

1:02:481:02:50

We now have about 48,000.

1:02:501:02:53

And since 2010 we've reduced

the number of police officers around

1:02:531:02:56

the country by 20,000 -

that's about 15%.

1:02:561:03:02

The European Court of Justice has

decided that the taxi hailing app,

1:03:021:03:05

Uber, should legally be considered

a transport company rather

1:03:051:03:07

than a digital services provider.

1:03:071:03:09

The ruling will mean that the firm

should be subjected to local

1:03:091:03:12

licensing laws in the countries

in which it operates.

1:03:121:03:17

The Government says it'll pass

legislation to ensure all British

1:03:171:03:19

homes and businesses can demand

access to high-speed broadband.

1:03:191:03:21

Ministers are to force BT,

which owns much of the UK's

1:03:211:03:24

telecoms infrastructure,

to provide connections

1:03:241:03:26

offering speeds of up to ten

megabits-per-second by 2020.

1:03:261:03:34

Police are continuing

to search two properties,

1:03:341:03:35

including a community centre,

this morning, following anti-terror

1:03:351:03:37

raids in Sheffield and Chesterfield.

1:03:371:03:42

Four men have been arrested and held

over an alleged Islamist terror plot

1:03:421:03:45

that officers say could have been

carried out this Christmas.

1:03:451:03:48

People forced to evacuate

their homes to allow the bomb

1:03:481:03:50

squad to investigate,

have now been allowed to return.

1:03:501:03:55

A man has admitted knocking

a cyclist off his bike

1:03:561:03:59

after the shocking incident

was captured on dash-cam.

1:03:591:04:01

This footage shows the driver swerve

towards the cyclist and knock him

1:04:011:04:04

off his bike before driving off

and leaving him lying in the road.

1:04:041:04:07

30-year-old Ashley Wallace Merrett

pleaded guilty to dangerous driving,

1:04:071:04:09

actual bodily harm and common

assault following the shocking

1:04:091:04:12

incident in Colchester in Essex.

1:04:121:04:17

The cyclist needed hospital

treatment but his injuries

1:04:171:04:18

were not serious.

1:04:181:04:23

An employment tribunal will hear

a landmark case on whether firms

1:04:231:04:26

which offer enhanced maternity pay

to women can give only a statutory

1:04:261:04:29

minimum to their male

employees, when they take

1:04:291:04:31

shared parental leave.

1:04:311:04:33

The outsourcing company, Capita,

appealed against an earlier ruling

1:04:331:04:36

that it discriminated

against a new father.

1:04:361:04:37

Shared parental leave was introduced

more than two years ago but take up

1:04:371:04:40

rates are lower than 10%.

1:04:401:04:46

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30am.

1:04:461:04:56

The Met is reviewing all sexual

offences cases because of the

1:04:571:05:03

collapse of two cases in a week.

This viewer says, "When I was on

1:05:031:05:06

trial for rape five years ago, it

came out in court that the police

1:05:061:05:10

had withheld evidence about text

messages and also the accused's

1:05:101:05:15

medical claims. I was found not

guilty, but my life has still been

1:05:151:05:18

ruined. I think the Met inquiry

should look at cases like mine as

1:05:181:05:22

well."

Another anonymous message on

1:05:221:05:26

Facebook. "My 15-year-old boy was

arrested in October for the rape of

1:05:261:05:31

a 15-year-old girl. We are worried

sick. They took his phone and two

1:05:311:05:35

months on, we have been told it

could take until next May. I hope

1:05:351:05:39

someone looks at the phone in the

meantime." This tweet from Stephen,

1:05:391:05:44

"My case was from five years ago,

but very similar to the two

1:05:441:05:48

collapsed cases. The review should

take in past cases because my life

1:05:481:05:51

has been ruined even though I was

found not guilty." You can get in

1:05:511:06:01

touch. You can message us on

Facebook and you can text.

1:06:011:06:06

Here's some sport now with Holly.

1:06:061:06:08

Birmingham is set to be

named as the host of

1:06:081:06:10

the Commonwealth Games in 2022

after organisers finally

1:06:101:06:12

confirmed their backing.

1:06:121:06:14

When Durban was stripped

of the event in March,

1:06:141:06:18

Birmingham was the only city to bid

before the original deadline,

1:06:181:06:20

but the proposal was deemed to be

"not fully compliant".

1:06:201:06:23

It now appears it will be

Birmingham staging the Games

1:06:231:06:25

and at a cost of £750 million,

it'll be the most expensive sports

1:06:251:06:28

event in Britain since London 2012.

1:06:281:06:34

Manchester City manager,

Pep Guardiola, has dismissed talk

1:06:341:06:37

of winning a "quadruple" -

that's the three domestic titles

1:06:371:06:41

plus the Champions League,

but their magnificent season

1:06:411:06:42

continued, as they reached

the League Cup semi-finals.

1:06:421:06:46

Jamie Vardy scored a controversial

equaliser from the spot

1:06:461:06:54

for Leicester seven minutes

into injury time to make it 1-1.

1:06:541:06:58

But it went to penalties,

Vardy missed, and Claudio Bravo

1:06:581:07:01

was the hero, saving

Riyadh Mahrez's attempt.

1:07:011:07:06

Arsenal will also be

in tonight's semi-final draw

1:07:061:07:09

after beating West Ham.

1:07:091:07:13

Danny Wellbeck with

the only goal of the game,

1:07:131:07:23

when Olivier Giroud was injured

towards the end of the match.

1:07:271:07:30

The draw will be made

after tonight's matches -

1:07:301:07:32

Chelsea take on Bournemouth,

while holders Manchester United face

1:07:321:07:34

Championship side Bristol City -

and City manager Lee Johnson

1:07:341:07:36

is really hoping Jose Mourinho

pops by after the game.

1:07:361:07:39

I bought an expensive bottle of

wine. I will be disappointed if he

1:07:391:07:42

doesn't come in and taste it because

it has to be poured specially

1:07:421:07:46

because it is that good.

1:07:461:07:48

England's Ashes tour has been fairly

disasterous so far -

1:07:481:07:51

they've lost the series,

and there's been lots of talk about

1:07:511:07:53

ill-discipline within the squad.

1:07:531:07:54

Batsman Ben Duckett was one

of those in trouble.

1:07:541:07:56

He poured a drink over

James Anderson's head

1:07:561:08:02

in a bar in Perth and

was given a suspension.

1:08:021:08:04

Now he's been told he won't take

part in the England Lions tour

1:08:041:08:07

to the West Indies next year,

because of that incident.

1:08:071:08:10

Former Wimbledon champion,

Marion Bartoli, has come out

1:08:101:08:12

of retirement and says she'll return

to the WTA Tour next year.

1:08:121:08:15

Bartoli is 33 now.

1:08:151:08:17

She quit tennis in August 2013 less

than six weeks after winning

1:08:171:08:20

Wimbledon - her only

grand slam title -

1:08:201:08:22

citing ongoing injury problems.

1:08:221:08:23

She suffered severe ill-health

during her retirement but now says

1:08:231:08:25

she intends to make her comeback

at the Miami Open in March.

1:08:251:08:30

And it seems she's already been

doing some training in secret -

1:08:301:08:33

looking forward to seeing her back

on the court Victoria.

1:08:331:08:37

Thank you very much.

1:08:371:08:42

Homelessness in England

is a "national crisis"

1:08:421:08:45

and the Government's efforts

to tackling it are "unacceptably

1:08:451:08:48

complacent" and an "abject failure"

- according to a group of MPs.

1:08:481:08:50

There are more than 9,000

people sleeping rough,

1:08:501:08:52

while 78,000 families live

in temporary accommodation.

1:08:521:09:00

The Government said it was providing

more than £1 billion,

1:09:001:09:03

over the next two years,

to reduce homelessness.

1:09:031:09:05

The definition of homelessness under

law includes rough sleepers,

1:09:051:09:07

single people in hostels and those

in temporary accommodation.

1:09:071:09:11

Since 2011, the number of people

sleeping on the streets

1:09:111:09:13

has increased by 134%,

the report says.

1:09:131:09:19

Earlier this year our reporter

Lesley Ashmall spent time

1:09:191:09:22

on the streets of Chatham in Kent

where the deaths of two homeless men

1:09:221:09:25

prompted calls for more to be done

to help rough sleepers in winter.

1:09:251:09:35

The high Street was bobbed.

1:09:371:09:39

It's Christmas Eve, people

were doing their shopping.

1:09:391:09:41

It was about half past 11

in the morning when someone realised

1:09:411:09:44

he had actually passed away.

1:09:441:09:45

You look at all these flowers,

that have been left over in the last

1:09:451:09:49

week, pictures people have left

all the staff.

1:09:491:09:51

This is where Michael stayed.

1:09:511:09:52

Michael McCluskey was in his 40s.

1:09:521:09:53

A father and grandfather.

1:09:531:09:54

A run of bad luck left

him on the streets.

1:09:541:09:57

Michael was a lovely guy.

1:09:571:09:58

Always in top spirits.

1:09:581:09:59

He was a great guy.

1:09:591:10:01

A West Ham supporter, I may walk -

I'm a West Ham supporter,

1:10:011:10:04

so we always talked

a lot about football.

1:10:041:10:06

He was a really nice guy.

1:10:061:10:07

You could see from the amount

of flowers that people left him

1:10:071:10:10

and reading some of the cards.

1:10:101:10:12

And then, just a few days later,

a few streets away, another...

1:10:121:10:14

Sadly, Greg past as well.

That's two too many.

1:10:141:10:17

The council...

1:10:171:10:22

There needs to be something done.

1:10:221:10:23

Why were these guys left

out here Wise we need

1:10:231:10:26

to look after these guys.

1:10:261:10:27

That's two to many, and there's

still people on the street now.

1:10:271:10:30

Its problem, it's

very, very problem.

1:10:301:10:34

It's not known how either man died,

but their friends think the weather

1:10:371:10:40

could have been to blame.

1:10:401:10:44

Yeah, definitely the cold.

1:10:441:10:48

He was found out there

with no blankets on him,

1:10:481:10:52

it was definitely the cold.

1:10:521:10:53

How do you survive?

1:10:531:10:54

We use...

1:10:541:10:56

Pop in McDonald's now and again.

1:10:561:11:00

Try and find anything warm in shops.

1:11:001:11:03

Three pairs of trousers,

three pairs of socks.

1:11:031:11:06

Two sleeping bags, and still

freezing during the morning.

1:11:061:11:09

What do you think should be done?

What should the Government do?

1:11:091:11:15

The Government should come down

and see the actual homeless,

1:11:151:11:18

and give them a place to stay.

1:11:181:11:20

Do you know what I mean?

1:11:201:11:22

We are all suffering,

do you know what I mean?

1:11:221:11:24

We are not bad people.

1:11:241:11:28

Around 120,000 children

are among those living

1:11:321:11:33

without permanent housing.

1:11:331:11:37

A separate report exclusively seen

by this programme shows the huge

1:11:371:11:40

impact that can have on children

still attending school with children

1:11:401:11:44

falling behind academically,

falling asleep in class,

1:11:441:11:46

becoming socially isolated,

anxious and withdrawn.

1:11:461:11:54

The research by the homeless charity

Shelter not only looks affects

1:11:541:11:57

on pupils and their teachers such

as health, hygiene and achievement,

1:11:571:12:00

but also explores which parts

of the country have the highest

1:12:001:12:02

rates of homeless

children per schools.

1:12:021:12:06

Luton tops the table with 32

homeless children per school,

1:12:061:12:08

London second with 28 and Brighton

third highest with 22.

1:12:081:12:17

Let's speak to Shandor Nikitits,

who had to live in an emergency

1:12:171:12:19

homeless shelter with his

eight-year-old son Billy.

1:12:191:12:27

Kelly McKinnon is a school

family liaison officer,

1:12:271:12:29

who offers practical and emotional

support for homeless families.

1:12:291:12:33

And Polly Neate is Chief Executive

of the homeless charity Shelter.

1:12:331:12:39

You became homeless, there was a

sequence of events. You had an

1:12:391:12:43

accident at work which meant you

couldn't work. Therefore, you

1:12:431:12:45

couldn't pay the rent so you began

to stay with a friend. Sadly, they

1:12:451:12:49

passed away at the beginning of this

year so you had nowhere for you and

1:12:491:12:52

your boy to go to, did you?

Well,

that's right. Sadly after his death

1:12:521:13:00

I approached the council and you

know I had a problem. And after a

1:13:001:13:09

very turbulent time I ended up in a

homeless shelter and I was there for

1:13:091:13:16

a considerably long time.

Can you tell our audience what a

1:13:161:13:21

homeless shelter is like to live in,

particularly when your

1:13:211:13:25

eight-year-old is living with you

from Fridays to Mondays?

Well, the

1:13:251:13:29

shelter I was in was very bleak.

There was no atmosphere. It was

1:13:291:13:37

grubby. You go into any council

premises, there is inspirational

1:13:371:13:45

posters, there is, you know,

slogans, plants, whatever, there was

1:13:451:13:48

nothing. It was like almost being in

prison for want of a better word,

1:13:481:13:54

yeah. It was terrible.

And how was

it for your little boy?

He just

1:13:541:14:00

found it very difficult to deal with

because there was strangers there.

1:14:001:14:06

He had to lock the doors. He had to

worry about, you know, where he was

1:14:061:14:12

going, where was I? Who was coming

down the corridor. He had to worry

1:14:121:14:17

about all things like that.

How long

did it take for the council to

1:14:171:14:22

officially acknowledge that you were

homeless?

It took a couple of days

1:14:221:14:30

short of seven months.

Why?

That was

just to acknowledge that yes, I was

1:14:301:14:35

homeless.

Why did it take so long?

Ah. I don't know. But I was asked

1:14:351:14:46

regular questions like, "Can they

contact my landlord?" Well, sadly,

1:14:461:14:51

no, he was dead. And did they

contact the estate? No, they hadn't.

1:14:511:14:58

I don't know what went wrong, I

really don't.

And then one day you

1:14:581:15:03

were contacted by a housing

association and moved into a

1:15:031:15:06

property. What did that feel like?

Oh, that was just... Even though the

1:15:061:15:13

place needed paint and everything,

the relief I felt was something

1:15:131:15:20

incredible and the happiness of my

son was, he couldn't wait to move

1:15:201:15:24

in. He couldn't wait to explore the

place. He couldn't wait to be a boy

1:15:241:15:30

again.

1:15:301:15:35

Wow you have brilliantly articulated

the highs and lows of your life. The

1:15:351:15:44

Government says tackling

homelessness is complex, but we are

1:15:441:15:48

determined to help the most

vulnerable and we are providing up

1:15:481:15:53

to a billion pounds to reduce all

forms of homelessness and we have

1:15:531:15:58

established a rough sleeping and

homelessness task force. So we can

1:15:581:16:04

respond as effectively as possible.

Well, it is not fair to say the

1:16:041:16:10

Government are doing nothing. But

what they're doing is not enough.

1:16:101:16:14

There are not enough homes and two

people can't afford the homes that

1:16:141:16:18

there are, because housing benefit's

been frozen. Unless the Government

1:16:181:16:23

is going to tackle those two thing

that will cost money, then as a

1:16:231:16:28

society we have to be prepared to

accept the impact of homelessness of

1:16:281:16:34

many of our fellow citizens,

including children. If your

1:16:341:16:38

childhood is blighted by something

like homelessness, as a parent it is

1:16:381:16:45

shocking, if you lose your childhood

in that way, you never get it back.

1:16:451:16:50

You only have one child hooved.

One

things that comes up, people say,

1:16:501:16:55

some people say, look, they're not

really homeless, they have a roof

1:16:551:17:01

over their head, it may be temporary

or a hostel, they're not sleeping on

1:17:011:17:06

the streets.

Well, that is true to

an extent, if you have a whole

1:17:061:17:13

family in one room, if you have to

particularly with children have to

1:17:131:17:17

share bathroom, toilet, kitchens

with other families, if you have

1:17:171:17:22

that insecurity of continually

moving and never having anywhere to

1:17:221:17:26

call home and the stigma that

families feel and particularly

1:17:261:17:30

children feel at school about their

situation, then they are legally

1:17:301:17:36

homeless and they're emotionally

homeless and you know this is a huge

1:17:361:17:39

crisis. It has to stop. We can't be

putting up with this.

Kelly, you

1:17:391:17:48

offer practical support for children

in the role of a family liaison

1:17:481:17:54

practitioner. . Tell us about the

impact on children at school.

It has

1:17:541:18:04

a huge impact, with a environment

where it is frightening, it is is

1:18:041:18:10

very disturb and the transition from

one hostel to another hostel has a

1:18:101:18:17

huge emotional effect and their

physical well being, they are can

1:18:171:18:26

tired at school.

That impacts the

rest of their life chances?

Yes, of

1:18:261:18:31

course, this is our future

generation and we talk about mental

1:18:311:18:37

well being and it won't be until

later we will witness the impact it

1:18:371:18:42

is having on these children.

I

wonder a final thought, do you still

1:18:421:18:46

see the impact on Billy of that time

when he was in the emergency hostel?

1:18:461:18:53

Yes, he is a lot more thoughtful and

a lot more emotive to not only my

1:18:531:19:01

thoughts and feelings, but other

people as well. Yes, it has had an

1:19:011:19:05

impact on him. But hopefully it has

made him a better person. That is

1:19:051:19:09

what I would like to hope.

Thank you

very much. Happy Christmas. Thank

1:19:091:19:15

you.

1:19:151:19:25

Now news from the International

Monetary Fund that have downgraded

1:19:301:19:35

their prediction for UK economic

growth for this year from 1.7% to

1:19:351:19:40

1.6%. That is just in from the

International Monetary Fund, they

1:19:401:19:46

have downgraded their prediction for

UK growth for this year.

1:19:461:19:53

A number of lawyers

have welcomed a review

1:19:531:19:58

by Britain's biggest force -

the Metropolitan Police -

1:19:581:20:00

into all ongoing sex

crime investigations.

1:20:001:20:03

It follows the collapse of two

rape cases in a week -

1:20:031:20:06

after relevant evidence was given

to the defence only

1:20:061:20:08

after the cases had started.

1:20:081:20:18

Police officers have over 20 ongoing

rape and serious allegations on the

1:20:251:20:31

go at once w with no support and

with insufficient training, with no

1:20:311:20:41

support, with budgets for things

like has been triexaminations cut.

1:20:411:20:51

-- has been triexaminations.

It is

not stopping the police to say let's

1:20:511:20:58

disclose this to the defence.

That

is a minor issue. Of course that is

1:20:581:21:03

wrong and in an individual case

there will be problems like that.

1:21:031:21:07

This officer will now be hauled over

the coals and it wouldn't surprise

1:21:071:21:11

me to find that the IPCC are pushing

to put him in jail. It won't solve

1:21:111:21:16

the problem.

Chris Henley was

smiling, deputy of the Criminal Bar

1:21:161:21:22

Association, why are you smiling?

Well, I think that is an over

1:21:221:21:27

reaction. But what is important is

that the police are able to do their

1:21:271:21:34

jobs properly. What is at stake is

the liberty in Liam Allan's case an

1:21:341:21:41

innocent man. Because this was not

carried out effectively his liberty

1:21:411:21:47

was put at risk and it is not

acceptable. It falls to the officer

1:21:471:21:52

investigating the case and the Crown

Prosecution Service lawyer and the

1:21:521:21:55

barrister who stepped up in this

particular case, to say to the

1:21:551:21:58

judge, we are not ready. This issue

is too important.

1:21:581:22:03

The two cases revealed over the last

week are those of 22 year

1:22:031:22:07

old student Liam Allan.

1:22:071:22:08

His trial collapsed after it emerged

officers had failed to disclose

1:22:081:22:10

vital evidence which undermined

the prosecution case -

1:22:101:22:12

including phone messages

where his accuser had

1:22:121:22:14

asked him for sex.

1:22:141:22:20

The second case involves a 25 year

old man called Isaac Itiary

1:22:201:22:23

who spent four months in jail

awaiting trial after being

1:22:231:22:25

charged with raping a girl

under the age of 16.

1:22:251:22:32

The defence asked for details

of her text messages in September

1:22:321:22:35

but they were only just

provided this week.

1:22:351:22:37

They showed she regularly

posed as a 19-year-old.

1:22:371:22:40

All charges were

subsequently dropped.

1:22:401:22:47

Commander Richard Smith from

Scotland Yard said the Met will

1:22:471:22:51

review about 30 cases that are due

to go to trial.

1:22:511:22:57

We can

1:22:571:22:58

speak now to Karma Melly -

1:22:581:23:00

she's a Barrister who has defended

rapists but also worked

1:23:001:23:02

on the prosecution side too.

1:23:021:23:06

And Sue SIM, a former Chief

Constable of Northumbria police. Why

1:23:061:23:11

do you say sometimes evidence is not

being disclosed by the police?

There

1:23:111:23:17

is absolutely no credible exmra

nation for not providing the

1:23:171:23:24

evidence. There is a loot of

pressure on police officers who want

1:23:241:23:28

to get convibss for victims and that

-- convictions for victims and that

1:23:281:23:37

is laudable for such an awful crime.

But it is extraordinarily important

1:23:371:23:42

that only guilty people are

convicted and there is no excuse for

1:23:421:23:49

not doing the investigations

properly. I listened to your report

1:23:491:23:57

from the Chief Inspector who blamed

lack of resources. I do not agree

1:23:571:24:01

with that. It is important that

Chief Constables review their rain

1:24:011:24:09

cases. As far back as 2014, the HMIC

said Northumbria police was not

1:24:091:24:17

investigating its rape cases

properly. I launched an immediate

1:24:171:24:22

investigation into it then, not

withstanding that Northumbria had

1:24:221:24:25

one of the largest cuts in budgets,

I managed to do that. But the thing

1:24:251:24:32

people didn't like the the detective

Chief Inspectors and the those who

1:24:321:24:41

do not like to be questioned and I'm

pleased there is an investigation

1:24:411:24:45

into this. Chief Constables have to

take responsibility for the

1:24:451:24:50

resources they're controlling.

There

is a review in the metropolitan

1:24:501:24:59

place what about other forces.

Fit

is found in the largest force in the

1:24:591:25:04

country, it will probably be

happening every where else. I think

1:25:041:25:09

it is important that her Majesty's

inspector of constabulary looks at

1:25:091:25:16

this as an urgent case and I would

call for him to do so. We are going

1:25:161:25:24

to hear from commander Richard

Smith.

It is important to draw a

1:25:241:25:28

distinction between the two reviews

that we are conducting. The case of

1:25:281:25:33

Liam Allan clearly went wrong and we

are keen to find out why. We

1:25:331:25:38

instigated an immediate high level

review. So that is a joint review

1:25:381:25:43

started immediately and that is

continuing now. To learn what

1:25:431:25:48

happened in that case. The other

review which you mentioned is the

1:25:481:25:52

review of all of our current cases,

all our current investigations where

1:25:521:25:58

we have an individual charged and we

are progressing to trial. We're

1:25:581:26:04

reviewing those with the Crown

Prosecution Service to ensure we

1:26:041:26:08

have complied with the disclosure

process. That should have happened.

1:26:081:26:12

It is an ongoing process of review

in any case. But we want the

1:26:121:26:18

confidence that those cases have

been compliant with the disclosure

1:26:181:26:22

regime. Our priority will be around

the 30 cases that are about to go to

1:26:221:26:27

trial. It is a pragmatic step to

ensure we can go to trial safely.

1:26:271:26:32

You say about 30 cases, can you put

any figure at all on how many other

1:26:321:26:38

wider cases you're looking at.

No I

will have the number later. I expect

1:26:381:26:45

it to be scores of cases.

Commander

Richard Smith. Let's have a reaction

1:26:451:26:56

from Karmen Melee. What do you say.

People will be pleased that the

1:26:561:27:01

disclosure which is looking at the

material that the prosecution aren't

1:27:011:27:06

using at the tliel but might assist

the -- trial but might assist the

1:27:061:27:11

defence will be reviewed. I'm

concerned, as are many about those

1:27:111:27:16

cases that have been court all right

and if the Crown Prosecution Service

1:27:161:27:19

and the police are reviewing the

disclosure of those cases about to

1:27:191:27:23

go to court, what about cased where

we have had convictions already? For

1:27:231:27:28

myself and I think I speak for a

number of other barristers, is that

1:27:281:27:33

we are concerned about disclosure

and how it is being dealt with

1:27:331:27:36

across the board, not just in rape

and cases of serious sexual

1:27:361:27:43

offences, but whether the systems

that are in place are being

1:27:431:27:45

followed. So that we can be

confident that there will not be

1:27:451:27:52

miscarriages of justice based on the

failure to disclose important

1:27:521:27:57

material that may help the defence

case.

I'm going to bring in Steve,

1:27:571:28:02

who has got in touch with us today,

he was watching our programme and he

1:28:021:28:07

was found not guilty of rape and he

said the accusation ruined his life

1:28:071:28:12

and he wants cases like his to be

included in the review. Is that

1:28:121:28:17

right?

Yes mine was nearly six years

ago, although it started in 2010,

1:28:171:28:24

and there are a number of occasions

where during the trial it became

1:28:241:28:28

apparent that the police had been

less than honest with the defence

1:28:281:28:33

and in the preparation of the case.

Do you mean late evidence was

1:28:331:28:39

disclosed?

Yes, one, they were

awaiting, I was on bail for 20

1:28:391:28:47

months and allegedly waiting for a

report from a leading neurologist

1:28:471:28:53

about the woman's condition and only

on the day of the trial did the

1:28:531:28:59

prosecution come and say, oh, we are

had a report about four months ago

1:28:591:29:03

saying that there was nothing wrong

with her. But the police had never

1:29:031:29:07

disclosed that to us at all. During

the trial, she denied that she had

1:29:071:29:12

been in touch with me by text

message. But we were able to produce

1:29:121:29:17

two telephones that showed that she

had been texting me a lot.

You had

1:29:171:29:23

that evidence, because it was from

your phone.

Yes.

If it is about lack

1:29:231:29:30

of disclosure or late disclosure, as

you were found not guilty by a jury,

1:29:301:29:36

what would the point of police

spending time reviewing your case?

1:29:361:29:39

Because my life has been destroyed

and there is an old saying, there is

1:29:391:29:44

no smoke without fire, my life has

been destroyed to the point where I

1:29:441:29:48

have received death threats,

harassment, my address is the

1:29:481:29:53

subject of a police special

protection scheme, all as a result

1:29:531:29:57

of this woman continuing to insist

that I got off on a technicality,

1:29:571:30:05

because the police had not disclosed

things.

You, you mean, the late

1:30:051:30:12

disclosure or the revelation of the

report, would that have changed

1:30:121:30:16

things? Would the judge have thrown

it out at that point?

My barrister

1:30:161:30:24

summed it up, the police was the

police became prosecutors rather

1:30:241:30:30

than investigators. There was clear

evidence of inappropriate contact

1:30:301:30:34

between the woman and the liaison

officer, she was found out to lie...

1:30:341:30:40

Sorry I won't go over the whole case

again. You have welcomed the fact

1:30:401:30:50

that the Metropolitan Police will

review cases, Sue Sim said all

1:30:501:30:58

forces should now be reviewing

similar cases, would you agree with

1:30:581:31:01

that?

1:31:011:31:12

It is routine for there to be

significant late disclosure, a

1:31:121:31:17

review yes, but we want to see a

better funded Criminal Justice

1:31:171:31:20

System and that would mean that we

didn't have these errors. The system

1:31:201:31:25

is at breaking point. Disclosure is

no longer being dealt with by police

1:31:251:31:31

officers, but civilian officers,

employees of the police force. There

1:31:311:31:34

is no longer the time and the

resources to put into a proper

1:31:341:31:41

disclosure exercise and that comes

at the same time as the fact that

1:31:411:31:46

disclosure through text messages,

social media and other

1:31:461:31:48

investigations that the police

should be investigating that

1:31:481:31:55

particular and additional onerous

burden is also on the police so we

1:31:551:31:58

want to see yes, a review, but

better funding in place so that this

1:31:581:32:02

doesn't happen again.

Thank you.

1:32:021:32:12

It's time for the latest

news - here's Annita.

1:32:121:32:16

The headlines now:

1:32:161:32:18

The Government's efforts to tackle

homelessness have been described

1:32:181:32:20

as an "abject failure"

by a group of MPs.

1:32:201:32:26

The Commons Public Affairs Committee

says the problem is a "national

1:32:261:32:28

crisis" with more than 9,000 people

sleeping rough and a further 78,000

1:32:281:32:31

families in temporary accommodation.

1:32:311:32:32

The Government says it's providing

more than £1 billion

1:32:321:32:34

in the next two years,

to reduce homelessness.

1:32:341:32:42

The International Monetary Fund has

downgraded its prediction for UK

1:32:421:32:46

economic growth from 1.7% to 1.6%

for this year. The IMF said that

1:32:461:32:52

despite a strong recovery in global

growth the impact of Britain's

1:32:521:32:55

decision to exit the European Union

has weighed on the economy. It also

1:32:551:32:58

said that the weak pound was pushing

up inflation and squeezing household

1:32:581:33:03

real income and spending.

1:33:031:33:12

The Met Police is launching

a review of all its current sex

1:33:121:33:15

offence investigations

after the collapse of a second

1:33:151:33:17

rape case in a week.

1:33:171:33:18

The prosecutions were halted

because of the late disclosure

1:33:181:33:20

of digital evidence.

1:33:201:33:21

Scotland Yard has confirmed the same

detective was involved

1:33:211:33:23

in both investigations.

1:33:231:33:24

The European Court of Justice has

decided that the taxi hailing app,

1:33:241:33:27

Uber, should legally be considered

a transport company rather

1:33:271:33:29

than a digital services provider.

1:33:291:33:31

The ruling will mean that the firm

should be subjected to local

1:33:311:33:33

licensing laws in the countries

in which it operates.

1:33:331:33:36

The Government says it'll pass

legislation to ensure all British

1:33:361:33:45

homes and businesses can demand

access to high-speed broadband.

1:33:451:33:47

Ministers are to force BT,

which owns much of the UK's

1:33:471:33:50

telecoms infrastructure,

to provide connections

1:33:501:33:51

offering speeds of up to ten

megabits-per-second by 2020.

1:33:511:33:54

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:33:541:33:56

Here's some sport now with Holly.

1:33:561:34:03

Birmingham is set to be named

as the host of the 2022

1:34:031:34:06

Commonwealth Games.

1:34:061:34:07

They were the only city to bid

before the original deadline

1:34:071:34:10

but the proposal was deemed to be

"not fully compliant"

1:34:101:34:12

and the deadline was extended but it

now appears they've won the right

1:34:121:34:15

to stage the event.

1:34:151:34:17

Say it quietly Manchester City fans

- talk of four trophies now

1:34:171:34:19

after they beat Leicester

on penalties in the League Cup last

1:34:191:34:22

night to reach the semi-finals.

1:34:221:34:23

But manager Pep Guardiola has

dismissed talk of a quadruple -

1:34:231:34:26

insisting it's unrealistic.

1:34:261:34:30

Marion Bartoli has announced

her return to tennis.

1:34:301:34:32

She retired straight after winning

Wimbledon four years ago,

1:34:321:34:34

citing persistant injury problems,

but she says she'll be back

1:34:341:34:37

for the Miami Open in March.

1:34:371:34:40

In the midst of an Ashes tour

plagued by ill-discipline

1:34:401:34:42

within the squad, batsman

Ben Duckett has been

1:34:421:34:44

told he won't take part

in the England Lions tour

1:34:441:34:47

to the West Indies next year.

1:34:471:34:50

He'd already been suspended

for pouring a drink over

1:34:501:34:51

James Anderson's head

in a Perth bar.

1:34:511:34:56

I'll have all the latest

sport on BBC News

1:34:561:34:58

Channel throughout the day.

1:34:581:35:02

Thank you very much. We are hearing

the chief Brexit negotiator,

1:35:021:35:08

Europe's chief Brexit neglector

maybe holding a conference to layout

1:35:081:35:13

guidelines for the next phase of

Brexit talks. So when that news

1:35:131:35:15

conference begins we will bring it

to you. It could be in the next half

1:35:151:35:18

an hour, it could be after that.

Whenever it is, we will bring it to

1:35:181:35:21

you.

1:35:211:35:24

A fishery which has a sign banning

Polish and Eastern bloc anglers

1:35:241:35:27

is facing possible legal action.

1:35:271:35:29

The owner of Field Farm Fisheries

in Oxfordshire says he'd previously

1:35:291:35:32

caught anglers stealing fish

and is standing up for

1:35:321:35:34

what he believes in.

1:35:341:35:36

Billy Evans, a former

Conservative councillor,

1:35:361:35:39

has had similar signs

on his property since 2009.

1:35:391:35:43

Earlier, we spoke to Polish

fisherman Rado Papiewski

1:35:431:35:46

who is crowdfunding to pay

for a private prosecution

1:35:461:35:50

and have the sign removed.

1:35:501:35:52

Elizabeth Prochaska the legal

director of the Equality

1:35:521:35:54

and Human Rights Commission who say

they'll take enforcement action

1:35:541:35:57

and Martha Spurrier -

the director of Liberty.

1:35:571:35:59

I began by asking Rado what he

thought when he saw the sign.

1:35:591:36:02

When I first seen it,

I felt a bit disappointed.

1:36:021:36:07

I felt this is very unfair

for all eastern European and Polish

1:36:071:36:10

anglers who are fishing

in the UK legally.

1:36:101:36:16

Despite the seven years of very good

work we put in to educate migrant

1:36:161:36:20

anglers and educate fisheries owners

who have different rules,

1:36:201:36:23

regulations and traditions,

you come across a place

1:36:231:36:27

where the fishery owner decides

to take a case into his own hands

1:36:271:36:30

and decides to do things like this,

which are not necessarily legal.

1:36:301:36:33

When you say rules,

regulations and traditions,

1:36:331:36:36

you mean because some Polish

fishermen fish to take the food

1:36:361:36:38

to eat, is that what you mean?

1:36:381:36:40

Yes, it is.

1:36:401:36:41

It's a tradition to fish for food

in the whole of Europe.

1:36:411:36:44

England is a place where

you fish for sport, so...

1:36:441:36:47

You are expected to

throw the fish back?

1:36:471:36:49

Exactly, you catch,

you take a photograph of it

1:36:491:36:51

and you put it back.

1:36:511:36:52

If you can imagine someone who has

been fishing back in Poland

1:36:521:36:55

for 20-odd years with the mindset

of going, catching a fish

1:36:551:36:58

and cooking it, because this is how

we have been growing up,

1:36:581:37:01

and coming to a different

country and being told,

1:37:011:37:03

you have to catch the fish

and release it.

1:37:031:37:07

It takes a bit of time

to change the mindset,

1:37:071:37:09

it's not a one-day sort of thing.

1:37:091:37:12

Billy Evans, the owner of this

fisheries has put a similar sign up

1:37:121:37:15

in the past actually in 2009.

1:37:151:37:17

Obviously we tried to get

him on the programme,

1:37:171:37:19

that wasn't possible.

1:37:191:37:23

But he said previously he has caught

some anglers stealing fish.

1:37:231:37:26

He says, "I shall stand up

for what I believe in,

1:37:261:37:29

if they want to call me a racist

for stopping thieves from coming

1:37:291:37:32

on to my private property,

that's what they'll do.

1:37:321:37:34

I'm right and I'm doing

the right thing."

1:37:341:37:38

You see, I have never denied there

was no problems on the fishery.

1:37:381:37:41

I'm sure there are problems

in different regions of the country

1:37:411:37:44

and I'm sure people will steal

the fish, will take a chance.

1:37:441:37:47

But there are different ways

to deal with the matter,

1:37:471:37:51

not banning the whole community

or a whole country of

1:37:511:37:53

anglers from the fishery.

1:37:531:37:56

This is where are our organisation

can provide the guidance and we can

1:37:561:37:59

actually tell them what to do.

1:37:591:38:01

But when I offered some

help to the fishery

1:38:011:38:03

owner, he rejected it.

1:38:031:38:04

He said he doesn't want to hear

about it, the sign is there to stay

1:38:041:38:08

and this is pure ignorance

in my eyes.

1:38:081:38:10

Right, you have come

across a similar sign

1:38:101:38:12

at another private fishery,

and you did have a conversation

1:38:121:38:15

with the owner and eventually

you persuaded him to

1:38:151:38:17

remove the sign?

1:38:171:38:18

Exactly, exactly.

1:38:181:38:20

Everyone can make a mistake

and do something wrong,

1:38:201:38:22

but when you offer help and advice

and when the sign has been taken

1:38:221:38:25

down, I see my job has been done.

1:38:251:38:27

And the guy who has taken

the sign down is a strong

1:38:271:38:30

supporter of integration now,

so it works.

1:38:301:38:33

Do you always put the fish back?

1:38:331:38:35

I do, yes.

1:38:351:38:40

Elisabeth, what is this specific

legal problem this sign presents?

1:38:401:38:42

This is a really straightforward

case of direct discrimination

1:38:421:38:45

on the grounds of nationality under

the Equality Act 2010.

1:38:451:38:47

There's no question

that it is unlawful,

1:38:471:38:51

it doesn't matter what Mr Evans'

motive is for putting up the sign,

1:38:511:38:54

he could easily deal with this

by putting up a sign that said,

1:38:541:38:57

"please don't take the fish".

1:38:571:38:59

He doesn't need to discriminate

on the grounds of nationality.

1:38:591:39:01

What will you be doing about it?

1:39:011:39:03

In the first instance,

we'll be writing to Mr Evans

1:39:031:39:05

and we will follow up with legal

action if doesn't remove

1:39:051:39:08

the sign, as a result.

1:39:081:39:09

This is not a criminal matter,

it is a civil matter, I understand?

1:39:091:39:12

That's right, it is.

1:39:121:39:13

What sort of action would

you be able to pursue?

1:39:131:39:16

You pursue the matter

in the County Courts under

1:39:161:39:18

the Equality Act 2010

and we would seek either

1:39:181:39:20

an injunction or an order

after the end of the hearing

1:39:201:39:22

which would force Mr Evans

to remove the sign.

1:39:221:39:24

How unusual is a case like this?

1:39:241:39:26

It's fairly unusual,

but unfortunately earlier this year

1:39:261:39:28

we did have to bring a very similar

sort of case against Mr Wilson,

1:39:281:39:31

a landlord who had discriminatory

letting criteria and we've

1:39:311:39:34

were successful in seeking

an injunction against him to stop

1:39:341:39:40

him from using discriminatory

letting criteria, so it is unusual,

1:39:401:39:42

but I wonder whether the current

political climate is enabling more

1:39:421:39:45

of this sort of attitude

to proliferate.

1:39:451:39:50

OK, let me ask you Martha,

as director of the campaigning

1:39:501:39:59

organisation Liberty

about what Elizabeth calls

1:39:591:40:01

the current political climate.

1:40:011:40:02

Are you registering a rise

in discrimination examples,

1:40:021:40:04

like the one we are

discussing today?

1:40:041:40:06

Yes, I think we are.

1:40:061:40:07

After the referendum last year

there was a big rise in hate crime

1:40:071:40:10

and we know that many of those hate

crimes are targeted at people

1:40:101:40:13

who are from Eastern Europe,

or are perceived to be

1:40:131:40:16

from Eastern Europe that may

have a right to be here.

1:40:161:40:18

And that can be anything from this

kind of sign or those kind

1:40:181:40:21

of letting arrangements.

1:40:211:40:23

It could be verbal abuse

in the street, but we have also seen

1:40:231:40:26

some violent hate crimes

and there was a Polish community

1:40:261:40:28

organisation in London

that was smashed up shortly

1:40:281:40:31

after the referendum.

1:40:311:40:31

What is the link with

the referendum vote?

1:40:311:40:33

Well, I think firstly it's nothing

to do whether you voted Leave

1:40:331:40:36

or Remain, it's not saying one group

of people are racist or bigoted,

1:40:361:40:39

it's nothing so black and white.

1:40:391:40:41

But I think there are,

in some quarters of that debate,

1:40:411:40:44

at that time and then in politics

since, there has been a sense

1:40:441:40:47

that it is OK to demonise

and scapegoat people

1:40:471:40:49

from other countries.

1:40:491:40:52

Where has that sense, from?

1:40:521:40:55

For example, about ten days ago

we saw a story where a Polish couple

1:40:551:40:58

had been very violently burgled

and the woman had been

1:40:581:41:01

beaten up in her own home.

1:41:011:41:03

They went to the police to report

this crime and the police,

1:41:031:41:06

rather than treating them

as vulnerable victims,

1:41:061:41:08

like you would hope to be treated

if that has happened

1:41:081:41:10

in your own home, they arrested

the man and they turned him over

1:41:101:41:14

to the Home Office and he was then

detained in an immigration removal

1:41:141:41:17

centre and he's lawfully here.

1:41:171:41:22

That sends a signal of saying

it is immigration enforcement at any

1:41:221:41:25

human cost and we prioritise

that over everything.

1:41:251:41:27

And I think that might then give

licence to some people,

1:41:271:41:29

like the man who put up this sign,

to act on their worst prejudices.

1:41:291:41:34

What's the best way to combat

that kind of prejudice?

1:41:341:41:37

Well, I think firstly we want to see

some leadership from the top.

1:41:371:41:41

So I think you need an absolute zero

tolerance policy across the board

1:41:411:41:44

and that means everyone,

public officials in particular,

1:41:441:41:46

when they legislate,

when they make policies and any

1:41:461:41:48

rhetoric they use has to be

all about non-discrimination

1:41:481:41:50

and equality and treating people

fairly with respect.

1:41:501:41:52

And then we need to take action.

1:41:521:41:54

People may think this

is a kind of small example,

1:41:541:41:56

but actually you have to take action

and be vigilant against every single

1:41:561:41:59

example of this kind

of really abhorrent,

1:41:591:42:01

very unfair and very

upsetting behaviour.

1:42:011:42:04

Rado, you ran a project called

Building Bridges which you mentioned

1:42:041:42:08

earlier was about educating

and integrating anglers

1:42:081:42:09

from other countries.

1:42:091:42:11

What do you say to anglers

from other countries about returning

1:42:111:42:14

the fish to the water?

1:42:141:42:19

You see, this is, for me

it is a fantastic concept

1:42:191:42:22

and you only realised this

when you catch a fish,

1:42:221:42:24

return it back and you catch it

again and the fish is bigger,

1:42:241:42:27

bigger and bigger.

1:42:271:42:31

You photograph yourself and that

gives you a lot of satisfaction

1:42:311:42:34

when you see the same fish growing

and you can keep your

1:42:341:42:37

own personal records.

1:42:371:42:40

What we try to sell,

the message which we try to sell

1:42:401:42:43

to migrant anglers is,

this is going to help us keep up

1:42:431:42:51

the fish viability and we can go

fish and enjoy the sport

1:42:511:42:54

and the next generation can.

1:42:541:42:55

When we remove a fish

from the water, obviously there's

1:42:551:42:58

going to be nothing to fish

for in the future.

1:42:581:43:00

So, this is some of the arguments

we use to persuade

1:43:001:43:02

migrant anglers to do it.

1:43:021:43:04

If Billy Evans is annoyed

at people stealing his fish,

1:43:041:43:06

how should he handle it,

in your view?

1:43:061:43:08

There are different means.

1:43:081:43:10

Obviously, there is the police,

voluntary bailiffs scheme

1:43:101:43:12

which is run by the Angling Trust.

1:43:121:43:13

There is the Environment Agency,

which is doing a fantastic job.

1:43:131:43:16

They are under resourced now,

but they do a fantastic job.

1:43:161:43:19

There are authoritative

organisations which are actually

1:43:191:43:20

looking after the fish.

1:43:201:43:25

If there are problems with someone

removing the fish from the fishery,

1:43:251:43:28

it is the same problem with people

stealing from shops, so it should be

1:43:281:43:31

reported to the police.

1:43:311:43:33

OK, you are going back to Poland?

1:43:331:43:35

I am.

1:43:351:43:38

I have one leg here and one

leg already in Poland.

1:43:381:43:42

I just decided to change my life

like I did 15 years ago

1:43:421:43:45

and decided to move to England.

1:43:451:43:46

Now, I decided it is time to change,

try a life back in my own country.

1:43:461:43:51

Good luck.

1:43:511:43:52

Thank you.

1:43:521:43:53

Thank you for coming

on the programme, all of you.

1:43:531:43:57

That was Rado Papiewski

who is crowdfunding to pay

1:43:571:44:01

for a private prosecution aagainst

a sign which bans Polish and eastern

1:44:011:44:07

bloc anglers from fishing

at a farm in Oxfordshire

1:44:071:44:09

and Elizabeth Prochaska the legal

director of the Equality

1:44:091:44:11

and Human Rights Commission

and Martha Spurrier

1:44:111:44:21

The IMF says Britain's decision to

leave the European Union has weighed

1:44:221:44:27

on economic growth. Jonty Bloom is

here. What have they said?

They said

1:44:271:44:31

that Brexit has caused a fall in the

pound and that's slowed growth as

1:44:311:44:36

has a lack of confidence which hit

business investment and this latest

1:44:361:44:40

figure shows it expects growth this

year to be 1.6%, down from 1.7% as

1:44:401:44:46

the head of the IMF Christine

Lagarde explains.

This country, the

1:44:461:44:51

United Kingdom, since the start of

this year, growth has slowed

1:44:511:44:55

notably. The significant depression

of sterling that followed the

1:44:551:45:02

referendum has pushed inflation over

3%. Squeezing real incomes and

1:45:021:45:07

private consumption. Companies are

also delaying some investment

1:45:071:45:12

decisions until they have greater

clarity about post Brexit trade

1:45:121:45:18

rules in particular. Our forecast

for growth in 2017, this year, is

1:45:181:45:29

1.6%, down from 1.8% in 2016 and

2.3% in 2015.

1:45:291:45:38

And all of that, despite what I have

just mentioned which is a stronger

1:45:381:45:42

global environment.

Our forecast for 2018 is 1.5% as

1:45:421:45:50

uncertainty about the shape of

Brexit persists most likely and

1:45:501:45:56

inflation remains above target.

1:45:561:46:00

What else did she say.

The figure is

based on the idea we get a soft

1:46:001:46:08

Brexit, we get the same deal of

access to European markets,

1:46:081:46:13

especially for financial services,

the IMF does say there are

1:46:131:46:18

opportunities in Brexit to rebalance

the British economy, but says you're

1:46:181:46:23

dependent on financial services for

your growth and tax revenue,

1:46:231:46:27

companies with big supply chains,

will want reassurance and free

1:46:271:46:31

access to the European market. So

there are caveats with a hard Brexit

1:46:311:46:37

the growth of only 1.6% could be

worse.

Thank you. Europe's chief

1:46:371:46:50

Brexit negotiator has said the EU

has set the end of UK's Brexit

1:46:501:46:59

transition period no later than

December 2020. We will leave

1:46:591:47:04

officially March 2019. And according

to ing to Michel Barnier, who is now

1:47:041:47:14

deciding the transition period which

be December 31st 2020. What a new

1:47:141:47:24

year's eve that will be for some

people.

1:47:241:47:31

Despite television bombarding us

with images of the perfect family

1:47:311:47:33

Christmas, only 62% of the British

population will spend most

1:47:331:47:36

of the day with their closest

relatives, a survey suggests.

1:47:361:47:38

Christmas estranged from your family

can be incredibly difficult

1:47:381:47:40

as Catrin Nye reports.

1:47:401:47:43

Christmas is definitely a time

where I feel I need to be loved

1:47:431:47:48

and the longer you are estranged,

the more desperate

1:47:481:47:50

you become for love.

1:47:501:47:55

Farrar has no contact

with any of her family.

1:47:551:47:58

She grew up with just her mum,

but hasn't spoken to her at all

1:47:581:48:02

for two years now and lives

in another city at university.

1:48:021:48:06

I remember last Christmas,

I just felt so unwanted and I felt

1:48:061:48:13

as though everyone has someone

somewhere and I didn't have that.

1:48:131:48:18

I was very upset and I just

stayed in my room, pretty

1:48:181:48:21

much cried all day.

1:48:211:48:24

I just avoid telling people

about my situation because I fear

1:48:241:48:27

of having any insensitive comments

said to me.

1:48:271:48:32

How can your mother not

love you all, why can't

1:48:321:48:34

you two just patch up.

1:48:341:48:39

Everyone does have the assumption

that a mother loves her child,

1:48:391:48:42

but there are unfortunately,

some exceptions to that.

1:48:421:48:46

David Wilson does have contact

with some of his family.

1:48:461:48:49

He's also married and so

not completely alone.

1:48:491:48:53

But he says Christmas he's reminded

more than ever of the family

1:48:531:48:56

he doesn't get to see.

1:48:561:49:00

With my youngest son,

who's now living in Spain, I don't

1:49:001:49:03

see him or my grandson, actually.

1:49:031:49:07

I've got a grandson aged

three, who I don't see.

1:49:071:49:12

I'm quite unable to explain

because nobody's ever told me.

1:49:121:49:16

The lines went dead.

1:49:161:49:19

So you just really don't fully know?

1:49:191:49:21

No.

1:49:211:49:22

Tell me about your

grandson at Christmas.

1:49:221:49:28

Yeah, I give him a present every

Christmas and birthday.

1:49:281:49:31

That's two a year and

I put them in a box.

1:49:311:49:41

That's enough.

1:49:451:49:50

One day he'll know that I did

care enough to get him

1:49:501:49:53

those things, you know.

1:49:531:49:57

So I think it has meaning for me

and it has meaning for him.

1:49:571:50:03

We can speak now to Brogen Harrison

who is recently estranged

1:50:031:50:05

from her whole family,

and this is her first

1:50:051:50:07

Christmas without them.

1:50:071:50:10

Becca Bland founded the charity

Stand Alone, which works with people

1:50:101:50:12

who become estranged

with their families.

1:50:121:50:20

Thank you both for coming on the

programme. You have been estranged

1:50:201:50:24

from your family since April. What

has that been like?

Estrangement is

1:50:241:50:31

difficult, but there is also an

immense feeling of freedom that I

1:50:311:50:36

have gained from breaking from my

family. So it has been empowering.

1:50:361:50:41

As you approach Christmas without

them, you're not going to see them,

1:50:411:50:44

what are you thinking?

I'm a bit

apprehensive, but it is my decision

1:50:441:50:54

and my own Christmas with the people

that mean the most to me. And are

1:50:541:50:59

special to me.

What are you doing?

I'm going to New York with a close

1:50:591:51:09

friend. I'm looking forward to

seeing the Home Alone tree.

A very

1:51:091:51:15

different environment and very

special. Interesting to hear her say

1:51:151:51:21

it has been empowering, that isn't

the case for many people.

I think it

1:51:211:51:26

is split. A lot people feel the

freedoms too. I feel Christmas is a

1:51:261:51:35

time where that can be triggered

because of emphasis on the close

1:51:351:51:40

loving family and that is can mean

people feel isolated.

How can you

1:51:401:51:45

help?

It is helpful to understand wh

people are doing, our research shows

1:51:451:51:54

not everyone is going to have a

family Christmas. A quarter of the

1:51:541:51:59

population will not. It is freeing

for people to understand they don't

1:51:591:52:03

have to have a family Christmas and

Christmas can be for people who are

1:52:031:52:07

special to them. That is not

necessarily our immediate family.

1:52:071:52:13

That is the root you're -- route

you're pursuing it is interesting to

1:52:131:52:19

hear it is OK to give yourself

permission to do something

1:52:191:52:23

different.

It is about reclaiming

your Christmas, saying not always

1:52:231:52:27

are we going to have to do things in

a way the adverts suggest or the

1:52:271:52:32

media suggests or is expected.

Christmas is a time also for

1:52:321:52:38

rejuvenation and it always about

reconciliation with family. It can

1:52:381:52:42

be a dangerous time to attempt that

for those that are estranged.

Why

1:52:421:52:45

that is?

Because those behaviours

around Christmas, involve a lot of

1:52:451:52:53

alcohol and sentimentality and that

pushes people into thinking they

1:52:531:52:57

must reconcile, but those processes

can take a long time and often need

1:52:571:53:01

interventions from professionals

too. It isn't simply a matter of

1:53:011:53:05

knocking on the door on Christmas

Day. In fact that can be very

1:53:051:53:08

damaging.

When you reached the end

of this year and it is midnight, on

1:53:081:53:16

new year's eve, how will you be feel

something

ing? Exhilarating, I'm

1:53:161:53:24

moving forward and making decisions

that are important to me and

1:53:241:53:27

spending time with my friends and

extended family like cousins and

1:53:271:53:32

aunts and I'm looking fore ward to

making memories with them in 2018,

1:53:321:53:37

they have been nothing but

supportive of me since April.

Thank

1:53:371:53:40

you both. Happy Christmas. I

appreciate your time. Now this news

1:53:401:53:53

from HMRC, they are warning the

public about a high profile phone

1:53:531:54:01

scam that is conning people out

thousands of pound. They are cold

1:54:011:54:06

call them and pretending to be a

member of staff from HMCC and tell

1:54:061:54:14

them they owe large amounts of tax

they that only pay with gift cards.

1:54:141:54:20

They're told to go to a local shop

and buy the vouchers and read the

1:54:201:54:33

codes. The scammers use intimidation

they get, threatening to seize the

1:54:331:54:39

victim's property or involve the use

of police. The use of vouchers is an

1:54:391:54:44

attractive scam, because they're

hard to trace. That warning from

1:54:441:54:50

HMRC, scammers are cold calling

people, pretending to be an HMRC

1:54:501:55:00

member of staff saying they owe tax.

1:55:001:55:10

With Christmas round the corner,

thousands of workers on the high

1:55:101:55:13

street have an uncertain future

with two of the country's biggest

1:55:131:55:15

retailers struggling

to keep their creditors at bay.

1:55:151:55:17

About 3,000 jobs at Toys R Us

are under threat and Poundland has

1:55:171:55:20

been dragged into a storm

engulfing its South African owner

1:55:201:55:23

that could threaten its UK business

interests, which include Bensons

1:55:231:55:25

for Beds and Harveys,

the out-of-town furniture chain.

1:55:251:55:27

We can now speak to John Baulch,

Editor of ToyWorld Magazine,

1:55:271:55:30

and Kate Hardcastle,

a consumer analyst.

1:55:301:55:36

Good morning. Are you worried more

about is Toys-R-Us.

Yes there has

1:55:361:55:53

been a revolution in people buying

online. Brands are prolific and if

1:55:531:55:59

we know we can buy a certain brand,

we won't worry about where that is

1:55:591:56:04

and we like the convenience. Toys R

us have huge warehouses that are not

1:56:041:56:15

enticing. They seem to have lost

their way.

John, with Toys-R-Us, the

1:56:151:56:27

pensions seem to be involved.

They

have moved the goal post, the CVA,

1:56:271:56:34

which they have been asked to sign

up to, needs 75% in favour to go

1:56:341:56:39

ahead. The Pension Protection Fund

has a block vote and they're

1:56:391:56:49

concerned about the pension and they

have asked for £9 million to be

1:56:491:56:56

deposited. Toys-R-Us said it can't

do that, because of the bankruptcy

1:56:561:57:00

position in the US. So the Pension

Protection Fund said it will vote

1:57:001:57:06

against the CVA. But we have two

days in which the CVA and Toys-R-Us

1:57:061:57:11

can continue to negotiate and

perhaps find a solution that works

1:57:111:57:15

for both of them. That is

interesting. Kate do you think

1:57:151:57:25

Toys-R-Us will still exist?

They

will have some future, but I can't

1:57:251:57:31

imagine many of the store

environments existing. Totally

1:57:311:57:35

different with the bed brand and

furniture industry, where it is more

1:57:351:57:40

of a creditor issue.

John in ten

seconds, Poundland?

Poundland is a

1:57:401:57:47

difficult one, because it is more

cross category, my understanding,

1:57:471:57:52

because credit insurance is being

pulled largely, the situation could

1:57:521:57:55

be worse than your other caller is

suggesting.

Thank you very much.

1:57:551:58:09

We are back tomorrow and we will be

celebrating your random acts of

1:58:101:58:17

kindness over Christmas. If you have

stories to tell let us know.

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