19/12/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme

This morning: gas leaks,

damp, holes in the floor

and cracks in the walls.

For some, their new-build homes have

become "uninhabitable" less

than a year after moving in.

This, this has broken me,

and I just can't believe how unlucky

we've been to be in this position

when it was supposed to be

completely different to this.

This programme has heard from people

who bought from big-name builders,

only to uncover numerous things

wrong with the property,

just weeks after they moved in.

One expert says you've got more

protection when you buy

a toaster.

We'll bring you the story

in around 15 minutes' time.

Also on the programme,

the grandparents of a

four-year-old girl from London,

who went missing in May this year,

plead for information that

will lead to her safe return.

The little girl, who celebrates her

birthday today, is thought to be

with her mother who a judge says

"poses a real risk to

the girl's safety".

Please give us a ring.

Let us hear Eliana's voice,

let us hear that you're OK, both OK.

And, you know, we need to talk.

Let's have a meeting.

That full interview before 11.

And - sexting, online pornography,

staying safe online,

transgender issues -

should these topics be included

in new sex and relationship

education guidelines

for schools in England?

Hello.

Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11.

Throughout the programme, we'll

bring you the latest breaking news

and developing stories.

At around 10:15, we're expecting

sentencing of 25-year-old

Arthur Collins, found guilty

of carrying out an acid attack

in a London nightclub in April.

He was convicted last month of five

counts of grievous bodily harm

with intent, and nine counts

of actual bodily harm against 14

people after throwing acid

in the face of a man

during an argument.

We will bring that to you as soon as

it happens.

Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning.

use the hashtag Victoria live

and if you text, you will be charged

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Sexting and online pornography

are not included in sex education

lessons in schools in England,

but should they be?

The Department for Education

is asking parents and young

people for their opinions

about what should be covered.

The current guidelines have not

been updated since 2000

as Richard Galpin reports.

What's different,

and what's the same?

The guidelines for teaching

schoolchildren about relationships

and sex have not changed

since the turn of the century.

And with lessons like this to be

made compulsory in all of England's

schools, an update is urgently

needed, particularly given how much

time many children now spend online.

Here, there are new risks,

like sexting, when images

of children are posted

on messaging apps.

And there is cyber bullying,

and the availability online

of hard-core pornography.

Often, young people

do not necessarily know

what is inappropriate in terms

of behaviour and materials

versus what is appropriate.

They are confronted by so much

stuff on the Internet.

But they often don't even know

what is illegal and what is legal

in terms of what they are doing.

It really is time

we update guidance.

The government wants

pupils, teachers and

parents to suggest how

sex and relationship education

could be updated to

make it more relevant.

There will be a vigorous debate.

I'm a mother of two and I have been

looking for sex education to be more

about healthy relationships,

like friendships,

as you get older,

more appropriate, getting your first

boyfriend

at the end of primary school,

when people are starting to say "I'm

going out with him," I want them

and a girl or between a girl

and a girl or a boy

and a boy or whatever.

At the end of this process,

the government says its goal

is to make sure young people learn

the importance of healthy

and stable relationships.

Richard Galpin, BBC News.

I know many parents watch the story.

What do you want teachers to talk to

your children about in school and

what to be left up to you as their

parent?

Do get in touch

throughout the morning.

Ben Brown is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

of the rest of the day's news.

An investigation into the cause of a

train crash in the US state of

Washington is focusing on the speed

of the train before it plunged off a

bridge onto a motorway below. Three

people were killed and about 70 were

injured after the train travelling

from Seattle to Portland derailed on

a bend in the line. A member of the

National Transportation Safety Board

said it was too early to tell what

caused the accident but she said

there was evidence the train had

been travelling too fast.

The investigator in charge has

obtained a download of the data

recorder on the rear locomotive.

Preliminary indications

are that the train was travelling

at 80 mph in a 30 mph track.

The train was a 12-car train and it

had a locomotive both

in the front and back.

Amtrak estimates that 80 passengers

were on the train with three crew

and two service personnel

in the cafe car.

The crew went on duty at 5am

and the train departed

at 6am this morning.

There were two stops

and the last stop was 18 miles

prior to the accident.

Four men from South Yorkshire and

Derbyshire have been sas -- arrested

on suspicion of terrorism offences.

Three of the men, aged 22, 36 and

41, were arrested at their homes in

Sheffield. A fourth man aged 31 was

arrested at an address in

Chesterfield. All the men have been

taken to a police station in west

Yorkshire for questioning.

The Royal Navy's new £3 billion

pound Aircraft carrier,

HMS Queen Elizabeth, is leaking.

The Navy's Deuchar flagship has a

problem with the propeller shaft. --

future flagship.

Our Defence Correspondent

Jonathan Beale reports.

Earlier this month, amid much

fanfare, the Royal Navy's largest,

most expensive warship

was being commissioned into service

by the Queen.

I name this ship Queen Elizabeth.

Hailed as the most powerful capable

warship ever to raise

the white ensign.

But what the Navy did not say at

the time was that she was leaking.

According to the Sun newspaper,

a fault with a seal around one

of the ship's propeller shafts has

left her taking on up to 200 litres

of water every hour.

The problem was first identified

during her sea trials

earlier this year.

A Royal Navy spokesman insisted

the fault was now scheduled

for repair and that it would not

prevent the 65,000-tonne warship

from sailing again

early in the New Year.

It's not clear how easy or how much

the repair will cost,

but it's believed to be one

of a number of snags that will have

to be rectified by the contractors.

The first F35

international delivery.

Meanwhile, MPs have issued a warning

about the cost of the new aircraft

that will eventually fly off her.

The Commons Defence Select Committee

says there has been an unacceptable

lack of transparency over the F35

jets, with one estimate that each

plane will cost more

than £150 million.

The MoD insists the multi-billion

pound programme is on track,

on time and within budget.

Jonathan Beale, BBC News.

The government is to outline

measures to tackle "race bias"

in the criminal justice system

in England and Wales.

It follows a report from the Labour

MP David Lammy which found

the system discriminated

against people from ethnic

minority backgrounds.

The Justice Secretary David

Lidington says work will be

done on each of Mr Lammy's 35

recommendations, but it's understood

a proposal aimed at boosting ethnic

diversity among the judiciary has

not been accepted.

The grandparents a four girl who has

been missing since May have appealed

for help in finding her. Eliana

Shand, who celebrates her birthday

today, went missing from home in the

summer. Her grandparents appeal

comes after evidence suggest is

travelling with her mother, who has

schizophrenia. We will have more on

that story at around 10:30am when we

will be hearing from Eliana's Rob

Ehrens when they explain why they

have gone public with their appeal

for help. -- Eliana's grandparents.

There are calls for greater

protection for home-buyers

amid growing concerns

about the quality of

some new build homes.

This programme has heard from people

who bought properties from major

builders and then experienced

serious problems shortly

after moving in.

Campaigners say that in such cases

buyers often find they are powerless

to insist that builders

correct the faults.

Inmates at Liverpool Prison

are being kept in the worst living

conditions inspectors have ever

seen, according to a leaked

report seen by the BBC.

Inspectors found rats, cockroaches,

and exposed wiring when they made

an unannounced visit to the prison.

A lack of leadership at all levels,

including central government,

was identified as the prime cause

of the problems.

The Ministry of Justice said it did

not comment on leaked documents.

The health regulator is warning that

the NHS workforce is that crunch

point and is calling on the

government to act. The Department of

Health in England says the NHS

currently has a record number of

doctors and is expanding the number

of training places by 25% but the

General medical Council says the

supply of new doctors is failing to

keep pace with demand and warns the

service could suffer increasing

pressure over the next 20 years.

There are fears Toys R Us could

collapse after it was told to put £9

million into its pension fund. It

has to come up with the money by

Thursday in order for the pension

protection fund to agree to the

retailer's restructuring plan.

Earlier this month, Toys R Us said

it would close at least 26 UK

stores, leading to the loss of up to

800 jobs. Failure to agree a deal

could put all of its 3200 staff at

risk of redundancy. That is a

summary of the latest news. More

from me at half was nine. Already

many e-mails from you about buying a

new home and buy new I mean newly

built and having problems pretty

much as soon as you moved in. Juliet

says," bought a new home listed on

being as one of the most extensive

estate in England, the company have

refused to repair 91 's nagging

problems. The gate collapsed and a

Coke bottle was found inside a

pillar"

Coke bottle was found inside a

pillar". Paul said, "I purchased a

new home last December and have had

multiple problems, mainly drainage.

My garden is constantly flooded".

Heidi says on Facebook, "People must

be ready and educated if they think

buying a new house me that is

problem free, that is why they come

with a 10-year warranty for snagging

any problems as the house settles

in. Old homes have been lived

breathed in and have bedded in, it

is pretty obvious". You would think

so, that a two-year guarantee from

the builders, developers and a

10-year warranty from the National

house-building Council would sort

you out but not so. Our film will

show that in the next few minutes.

Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning -

use the hashtag Victoria live

and if you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate.

Let's get some sport.

Holly is able to new allegations

about the world of athletics on the

Daily Telegraph.

That's right, it

has come from a Daily Telegraph

investigation which apparently sent

undercover reporters do world

champion sprinter Justin Gatlin's

camp. We've heard that name before.

They posed as representatives from a

film company who were looking for a

coach to train their actor to look

like an athlete. They have said they

filled Justin Gatlin's coach, Dennis

Mitchell, and his occasional

representative, Robert Wagner, and

found they were openly talking about

how they could octane performance

enhancing drugs and even allegedly

told reporters athletes can get away

with doping because the drugs they

use cannot be detected by tests.

Both have denied the allegations and

the athletics integrity unit set up

by the world governing body, the

IAAF, and the US anti-doping agency,

said they had opened an

investigation into the claims and

the IAAF president Lord Coe has said

the allegations are extremely

serious and he knows the Independent

athletics integrity unit will

investigate in accordance with its

mandate. Very serious allegation

this morning.

What has Justin Gatlin

said?

He responded on Instagram with

the statement in which he said he

has already fired Mitchell, as soon

as he found out about it. He says he

is not using and has not used

performance enhancing drugs and that

all legal options are on the table

as he will not allow others to lie

about him like this. This is a man

with five Olympic medals, the fifth

fastest ever 100 metres time and he

was the man who beat Usain Bolt in

his farewell race earlier this year.

It does feel as though we spend more

time talking about his various

doping bans than his achievements on

the track. He's been suspended for

doping twice in the past, first in

2001 when he was competing for the

University of Tennessee and in 2006

he was cited for testing positive

for a banned substance and received

a four year ban. The fact he has

immediately sacked as coach, Dennis

Mitchell, is not surprising at this

stage, he will be doing everything

in his power to distance himself

from the allegations.

In the Premier

League, Everton are doing really

well now.

Six games unbeaten since

Sam Allardyce took over, less than

three weeks ago. A win over Swansea

city last night moves Everton up to

ninth place in the table, hugely

impressive considering that at one

stage, Everton fans had visions of a

relegation scrap on their minds and

now they are six points off Spurs

and they have a big home game

against Chelsea this weekend. The

manager already has visions of

peering into the upper reaches of

the league.

We have got to try and

get a result against Chelsea, then

we will really know what we are made

of. With this confidence, if we can

go and get a result against Chelsea

on Saturday, then we are really,

really going on the right track for

finishing in the top half as high as

we can. Let's C of the lads can pull

it out of the bag.

May be getting

ahead of himself but you can't blame

him when you compare this to some of

the rescue jobs he had to perform in

the past, at Sunderland and Crystal

Palace, an impressive run so far so

let's see if it can continue.

Thank

you for joining us.

Gas leaks, damp, holes in the floor

and cracks in the walls -

not things you'd expect

to experience when moving

into a brand new home.

But this programme has heard

from people who bought

from big name builders -

only to uncover hundreds of things

wrong with the property -

just weeks after they moved in.

Some even discovered

major structural defects.

Campaigners say that when people

do experience issues,

they can find themselves powerless

to force the builder

to get things put right -

and warn that the quality

and workmanship of homes being built

has drastically dropped -

in some cases to shocking levels.

Emma Ailes has this

exclusive report.

Many of us dream of owning our own

home, a place to start a family

and live happily ever after.

With housing demand high and supply

low, the Government is pushing

developers to build new homes fast.

But in the rush to construct,

are standards slipping?

Ten months in and we have these

cracks and various other major

issues on a brand-new house.

Some buyers find their dream home

quickly turns into a nightmare.

Some of the mistakes,

if you can call them

that, are horrendous.

And the biggest purchase they will

ever make starts to crumble.

Britain is in the midst

of a housing crisis,

not enough homes and many

people priced out.

The Government has promised to build

300,000 new homes a year,

an ambitious target.

That's more than 800

new homes every day.

And it's spending billions in tax

payers' money to make that happen,

with schemes like Help To Buy

and financial incentives

for developers.

The market is dominated by a handful

of big-name builders,

all of whom claim to guarantee

buyers quality and peace of mind.

Stylish, practical and characterful

four bedroom home, built

to the highest of standards.

But the reality for Karen Stacey

Pope was very different.

She bought a Bovis home

help to buy scheme.

The problems started

as soon as she moved in.

There was a gap underneath the door

and the door frame.

We pulled the carpet back,

pulled the underlay back

and uncovered the hole.

It's fairly deep,

about two foot down.

Slugs, worms, beetles, spiders...

and they have their own personal

entrance and exit

route to our house.

Thanks to this added

extra from Bovis.

We had a leak on Sunday that's just

drenched the walls and ceiling.

Nothing's been fixed

and we are just left

with a hole in the ceiling.

There was a lot of mortar missing

from around this area.

They've actually

filled some of it in.

There's a big chunk missing there.

How did they not put it in?

We've got cracks running down and it

seems to be cracking

from up by the roof.

This crack was here pretty much

from when we moved in.

There must be some kind

of movement going on if we are

getting more and more.

No, I'm not crying,

although I am cross.

And Karen's problems

didn't stop there.

The wrong porch was built on,

air bricks meant to stop the house

getting damp and rotten

were buried underground.

Her driveway is sinking.

The list goes on.

After numerous complaints to Bovis,

Karen eventually hired

an independent surveyor.

He uncovered major

structural issues.

Movement joints which stop the house

cracking up if the land shifts had

been completely forgotten.

He concluded...

The building cannot be judged to be

currently fit for habitation.

Many of the concerns

raised issues of health,

leaving many of the areas of the

property and its site unsafe to use.

And he questioned how inspectors

could ever have signed it off.

We pushed and pushed

ourselves to the absolute

limit to get this house,

and now we are in this

position where - one -

it's not saleable, and two,

we've been told it's not

inhabitable either so

we've lost everything.

It is just heartbreaking

because we can't even fight any more

because we've run out of energy,

we run out of money,

we cannot do anything any more.

We are just stuck here.

We've got no choice

but to be stuck here.

Sorry.

Bovis told us:

The company said it

had made significant

changes to how it operates,

including reducing the number

of homes it planned to build,

and it said it was working

with Karen and was determined

to deliver a quality home.

But Karen is not alone.

We spoke to buyers who bought

from various big builders.

Some had experienced

hundreds of small defects,

known in the industry as snags.

Others had more serious problems.

They told us of unfinished roofs,

badly fitted windows and doors,

toilets overflowing with sewage,

flooding, damp and mold,

wonky walls and stairs,

sloping floors, gas leaks,

cracks and, like Karen,

holes on the floor.

One man described coming home

to a maggot and fly infestation

and all just months after moving in.

The quality of workmanship

is getting worse in the industry

and the only one word answer to how

it is, is atrocious.

How people can walk away and give

someone the keys to their home

when there's a great big hole

in the wall or the porch roof isn't

finished or something,

I don't understand.

I don't know how they can go

home and sleep nights

doing that to people.

It's just not right.

From the chief executive

in the boardroom to the man on-site

sweeping up after the trades,

no one cares and no one

in the process is really thoroughly

checking that the quality

is going to be there

and the buildings and houses comply

with current building regulations

and warranty standards.

Indeed a survey by the House

Builders Federation suggests

problems with new homes are not

a possibility, they are

almost a certainty.

98% of buyers reported defects

to their builder within a few

months of moving in.

41% reported more than ten problems.

And when people do have issues,

they can find themselves powerless

to get things put right.

At the moment it feels like buyers

are buying a promise that they see

in advertising which is unrealistic.

And then if their new house doesn't

live up to those unrealistic

expectations, they have very little

recourse other than trying to get

those things changed

through the house-builder

themselves.

The arbitration service

that's offered by some

of the house-building insurance

companies can be very

difficult to navigate,

and so many people find actually

getting their MP involved

at the moment is the only

option they've got.

I think it's shocking for many

people who buy a new house

to realise the dream they have been

promised isn't the reality

they experience.

The horrors faced by some

new homeowners was the subject

of an inquiry by a group

of MPs last year.

It concluded that there are too many

reports of new homes that are simply

uninhabitable and inspections

are not always up to scratch.

It called for a new homes

ombudsmen to be set up,

saying current means

of redress are inadequate.

Campaigners go so far as to say

that, as things stand,

there's more consumer protection

buying a toaster than a new home.

You wouldn't buy a car with a wheel

missing and then expect to put it

on once it's been sitting

in someone's driveway.

It's a silly analogy but that's

what people expect to put up with.

The industry manages customers'

expectations downwards.

They actually say it's

impossible to build a perfect

house, and it's not.

It's a real David and Goliath issue.

The only redress they've got

is to go through the courts.

Buyers who go to court will run out

of money long before

the house builders ever will.

New homes are guaranteed

by the builder for two years.

Most also come with a 10-year

warranty issued by the National

House-building Council.

The same body also inspects

and signs off finished homes.

However it's faced criticism

from some MPs and campaigners,

who say it's too cosy

with developers - a claim it denies.

Some in the industry acknowledge it

might be time for a new approach.

The housing market is dominated

by the major house-builders,

they are under pressure.

Maybe the standards aren't up

to the required level

because of the growing skills

shortage and the pressure to build,

but that's not acceptable

from the consumers' point of view.

We need to ensure as an industry

we are providing quality homes that

consumers can expect

are fit for purpose.

They are investing all their money

in the biggest purchase

of their life and it's

not fit for purpose.

We, as an industry, need to look

at ourselves and say how

can we improve that?

That could be a range of improving

the consumer codes for new homes

or it could be looking at a national

ombudsmen to address those problems

that consumers can go to.

But for Karen and others like her,

any such changes will come too late.

The strain of trying to get her home

put right has already

taken a massive toll.

I am a strong person,

believe it or not!

I know I don't look

like one now, but I am.

And this, this has broken me,

and I just can't believe how unlucky

we have been to be in this position

when it was supposed to be

completely different.

And you can read much more

about that on the bbc news site -

it's currently the No 1

story on there.

We can speak now to Jo Churchill,

a Conservative MP who is leading

a group of MP from all parties

to look at the issue

of the quality of new homes -

and how buyers could be better

protected when things go wrong.

We have so many messages already

from people experiencing the same,

as you saw in our film. Your

reaction first of all to what we

have uncovered?

Just enormous

sympathy for Karen because it was

the gentleman who said he'd been in

the industry for 35 years, David and

Goliath. That's her home, it's your

biggest purchase you ever make and

yet, looking at it, you have less

protection than a toaster. I used a

kettle, car, small purchases as

example, you know where to go to get

redress. With house-building and

your home, people want to understand

if there is a problem and, as we saw

from the figures, there are a lot of

problems, how they get them sorted.

How is it that inspectors are saying

these homes are safe, they're

structurally sound and signing them

off?

I think what you have is a

problem whereby quality isn't

naturally built into the system as

it's currently working...

And

that's, if you're an inspector, that

is your job?

I think you have a

problem where they inspect at

various points through the build.

It's one of the things from the last

report that we did. We were actually

saying, along with looking at a

single ombudsman, because we know

that redress is easier for people,

if they only have one place to go,

because at the moment the

landscape's quite confusing and

there's gaps between the four

different Ombudsman and so on. It's

also, people actually need to feel

confidence I think in the system.

Do

you think developers and inspectors

are too cosy?

If I'm honest, yes, I

do. At the moment, we have a system

whereby, not necessarily the

inspectors, but the builders and the

warranty system, it's not clear to

the consumer what they get, what

they're covered for. When you

purchase the biggest purchase of

your life - I mean Karen paid

£325,000. The average house price

last month was somewhere around

£223,000. You should be able to sign

on the dotted line and actually get

a home that's fit for purpose.

Many

many of these new cases, the new

builds, there is a two-year

guarantee from the developers, a

ten-year warranty from the national

house building council. You talk

about there being a national

ombudsman, so it should be

straightforward for the home enner

to say, there's a problem here, here

is the guaranty and the warranty,

sort it.

You would think so. That is

the problem with the system. Once

you have reported your fault, how

long for them to sort it out.

Karen's been sat there since 2016.

She still has these problems. It's

Christmas next week. She wants her

home to be as she wants it. I have a

post bag full of people writing

saying they can't live in their home

as they want to and it's not fair.

So after the two years, the NHBC

guaranty clicks in, but that's for

major structural defects --

guarantee.

Your Government is

vigorously encouraging

house-builders, develops, to build

more, it's not necessarily kicking

in yet but that's your mission.

Yes.

Do you take any responsibility for

this rush to build and potential

problems people are experiencing?

I

think there's been a problem in the

industry for a long time so no. As

we have seen an increase in

house-building, as the numbers have

actually homes delivered goes up,

the quality, the number of problems

is also rising. It shouldn't be an

either or. A new home or a quality

new home. It should be a given. As

we are delivering more homes, people

should be assured of the quality and

that is what we want for them.

Some

of the messages, the quality, it's a

shocker, it's almost unbelievable.

I

know.

Cam says, I bought a house

from a developer 11 years ago, it

was cold in parts where it shouldn't

have been, the builders left gaping

holes in the bathroom and kitchen

and hoped I wouldn't notice because

the kitchen units and bath covered

them. What made this worse is that

the floor was supposed to be fire

proof, as there are garages

underneath. If a fair occurred in

the dwa Raj, the smoke would have

penetrated into the bedroom. This

was subsequently remedied. It also

turned out they forgot to insulate

some of the cavities. -- garage. The

plumbing waste pipe went upwards. 11

years on the house is still cold and

my bills for a one-bedroomed coach

house are the same for a

three-bedroomed house. The NHBC

guarantee is supposed to protect you

when a regional manager suggests you

put a curtain up to block out the

cold for a new build, that kind of

sums up how unprotected the consumer

is.

If we had a national ombudsman,

which is something you are pushing

for. We already have the Housing

ombudsman, the property ombudsman,

the property redress scheme, what

difference would a national

ombudsman make.

You have got four

schemes and you still have gaps and

people fall through the system. We

want a single point of contact for

redress would would give people the

ability to understand where they can

go to get the problem sorted but

actually, what you are pointing out

is the system is deeper than that,

we should be looking for clerk of

Works and people who can inspect

buildings properly as we go through.

Arguably, people, when they sign on

the dotted lines are the biggest

purchase of their lives, their home,

have that guarantee of quality and

consumer protection.

Greg, "My

new-build house was a plumbing

disaster, dirty water coming out of

the taps, Bath pipework was not tied

and so the Bath leaked into the

living room, plasterboard smashed,

not cut, to make a hole for the exit

pipe to the dirty bath water, the

bathroom toilet not installed

directly so the coupling came loose

and foul water came to the living

room, the fault was hidden inside a

plasterboard box, it cost me over

£500 in an insured losses and the

builder eventually medical division

towards my costs, the latest

disaster was that the ensuite toilet

leaked, flooding the ensuite and

staining part of the bedroom

carpet". Paul has e-mail and sent

photographs, "We bought a new flat

in 2015 and have since had problems

with the garden, which is flooded"

in 2015 and have since had problems

with the garden, which is flooded".

As you can see. "It Is impossible to

step onto the garden and they have

been unwilling to solve the

problem".

It's not fair.

No,

absolutely an understatement but you

are right. Don says, "I find it

amazing that when you buy new car

that costs £20,000, you get a three

or a five-year warranty yet with the

new, £200,000 plus ask you get one

or two-year warranty which is

probably not worth the paper it's

written on".

That is why we are

calling for the inquiry, there is

clearly stuff to do from everybody,

from the house-builders, to ensure

they put their own house in order

and that we get some independence

and clarity in the system to begin

to protect people.

Thank you for

joining us. Your own experiences

welcome, of course, I have many more

messages like that which I could

read throughout the programme.

Time to get the latest news with

Ben.

Parents, teachers and young people

in England are being asked to

suggest what should be included in

new guidelines for teaching children

about sex and relationships. The

current guidelines have not been

updated since 2000 and do not

address issues like sexting at

online pornography. Ministers say it

is an and want new guidance for

autumn 2019. Four men from South

Yorkshire and Derbyshire have been

arrested on suspicion of terrorism

offences. Three of the men, aged 22,

36 and 41, were arrested at their

homes in Sheffield. A fourth man

aged 31 was arrested at an address

in Chesterfield. All the men have

been taken to a police station in

west Yorkshire for questioning.

Investigators say a train which

crashed in the US state of

Washington, killing three people,

was travelling at 80 mph in a 30 mph

zone. Around 70 people were injured,

ten seriously, when the train

plunged off a bridge onto a motorway

below. The Royal Navy's new £3

billion aircraft carrier, HMS Queen

Elizabeth, is leaking. The Navy's

future flagship, which was

commissioned by the Queen less than

two weeks ago, is a problem with one

of its propeller shafts. The fault

was first identified during sea

trials. A spokesman said the

aircraft carrier is scheduled for

repair and will be sailing again

early in the New Year.

The government is outlining measures

to tackle race bias in the criminal

justice system in England and Wales

following a report from Labour MP

David Lammy which found that the

system discriminates against people

from ethnic minority backgrounds.

The Justice Secretary David

Lidington says work will be done on

each of Mr Lambie's 35

recommendations, but it is

understood that a proposal aimed at

boosting ethnic diversity among the

judiciary has not been accepted.

That is the latest BBC News. More

from me a bit later.

Holly has the sport.

We will look ahead to the response

from world champion sprinter Justin

Gatlin after those doping

allegations made against his coach

and agent. An investigation is

currently underway after the Daily

Telegraph said undercover reporters

were offered performance enhancing

drugs by Dennis Mitchell and Robert

Wagner. Both deny the allegations.

Sam Allardyce has his eyes on the

prize top half finish in the Premier

League after former strugglers

Everton beat Swansea 3-1, their

fourth win in five games. West Ham

could be without midfielder Manuel

Lanzini for tonight's Carabao Cup

quarterfinal with Arsenal after he

was charged with diving in

Saturday's game against Stoke. More

on all those stories at 10am.

Thank you.

Sexting, online pornography,

staying safe online,

transgender issues.

Should these topics be

included in new sex

and relationships education

guidelines for schools in England?

Guidance on how sex education should

be taught in schools hasn't changed

in nearly two decades

despite our rapidly changing world.

And so now, the Department

for Education is asking parents

and young people for their opinions

in an eight-week call for views

on what should be covered.

I know lots of parents watched our

programme so tell us what you think.

We can speak now to Haafiza Noor,

who's a 21-year-old

university student.

Toby Hollins, who's a sixth form

student, who volunteers

for the sexual charity Brook

and Kate Parker is the director

of the Schools Consent Project,

which goes into schools to teach

kids about the law when it comes

to things like consent and sexting.

And Anne Lyons is head

of the National Association

of Head Teachers.

Thank you for joining us. OK, so,

what do you think should be

included, Toby, that certainly

wasn't when you were taught sex

education?

I turned 17 last month so

the education guidelines are as old

as me. Obviously, the Internet, in

2000, it was a baby and it has grown

so there needs to be more emphasis

on the influence of the Internet,

the way teenagers use the Internet,

looking at online pornography and

the relationship there, talking to

each other online as well as needing

to be, I don't know, more on

consent, and as well as the way they

talk to each other about sex,

because there is lots of

misinformation.

Like what?

Pornography online is rampant so

they will talk about, boys

especially, talking about women in a

very degrading way, very

disrespectful. They need to learn

and be educated.

Are you happy with

the teacher doing that or is it down

to parents?

I think teachers should

do it because everybody's home life

is different, with parents, there's

religion and all kinds of different

factors involved. Obviously, schools

go about it a different way because

they have teachers, or they bring in

people from externally which is

good, I think some unqualified

coming in is good but at the same

time teachers need to be trained so

if any issues occur after that, a

few months later, the person that

came in has gone somewhere else so

teachers need to be trained to deal

with issues that arise in the

classroom and in the school

environment.

Haafiza, you are 21

now, do you remember what sex and

relationship education was like,

what it covered? What should it

cover now?

Well, it was more about

sex education when I was in school

and it was really basic.

Give us an

example.

It just kind of cover...

What can I say an air?

Use the

correct terminology!

It covered

genitalia and how to put on a

condom. It spoke about STDs that you

could get. It never cover things

like LGBT relationships or how

relationships should be. We were

never really told that you could...

Rather, we were never made to feel

like we did go to a teacher to talk

about sex and relationship. It was

kind of like, even in school it was

treated as to blue.

Interesting.

Scott is 26, he is gay, you talked

about the fact LGBT issues were

never mentioned at school. Scott,

hello. Watching from Glasgow, thank

you for talking to us. What do you

think should be included?

My problem

I had in school was that I was kind

of told that having a gay

relationship was OK but I was not

given any more support than that. I

was not told where I could go for

support. Whereas a lot of the

heterosexual pupils in my class were

told they could go to various places

to get information whereas I was

just left to find it out myself.

Interesting and had you had the

information, would it have made

coming out any easier?

I think it

would have made coming out easier

and also I think it probably would

have led to less experimentation as

well in terms of the things I was

getting up to at that kind of age,

that I probably shouldn't have been

getting up to. That is quite

problematic and I think it is quite

a big problem in the LGBT community.

What do you say to those who say it

is not for teachers to be doing it

in school, it is up to parents?

I

think part of that is true. I think

that some of its needs to come from

parents but also some of its needs

to come from teachers. I think a lot

of family units, there are problems

there with religion, problems with

other cultural aspects, that it is

not accepted, so it should really be

coming from teachers and obviously,

teachers should be trained to know

about these issues as well because

they may not have experienced them

in their personal life either.

Thank

you, Scott. Kate Parker is from the

school 's consent projects are you

go into schools as an external

organisation, teachers are not doing

this. What do you talk to the

children about?

We sending lawyers

and postgraduate law students to

speak to 11-18 -year-olds

specifically about the legal

definition of consent but also keep

sexual and communication offences.

Like sexting?

Yes, revenge born with

students of a certain age but we

also look at things like the age of

consent, the definition of consent,

bystander intervention, appropriate

responses to begin disclosure, what

to do in the event of an attack. We

cover a number of different topics

in an hour 's workshop, it is very

full but we have found sexting has

increasingly been a topic that

teachers and students are desperate

to talk about.

Because they don't

know the law? Remind our audience

what it is to either sending an

image of yourself naked or somebody

else receiving it. Width taking,

possessing or distributing an

indecent image of someone under 18

including yourself is a criminal

offence. And you just need someone

with no clothes on?

It can mean

that, it's a boring threshold in

law, it is a subjective assessment

of an objective understanding so

basically, what a member of the jury

would think wider society would

consider to be indecent.

But

indecent to a 13 does not really

mean anything.

We do it when it's

likely to be breasts, your bum, your

genitalia.

How many young people are

aware it is against the law?

Not

very many. It is a section of the

workshop where the ears prick up and

lots of questions, in.

Is that the

kind of thing that would be useful?

Yeah, I was going to say that when I

was in school, it was quite

outdated, sex education, and it did

not really touch on the fact we were

using the Internet, trading images

and so on. That is a good thing to

be taught now.

That is pretty...

Pervasive.

Prolific, persuasive,

popular, whatever you want to lose.

Can I ask you about LGBT issues,

something that would have been

imported for Scott and Haafiza

raised it and transgender issues,

should they be included in the

updated guidelines?

Yes, we have

been pushing for updated guidelines

so we welcome the consultation. What

is important and I think the key

phrase is age-appropriate. So I

think that is really important. We

would support in secondary schools,

there should be teachers who are

specialists in this work. In the

primary school, there needs to be

good training for teachers so they

can work with their class. If I give

you an example, in my school, in the

reception class, the children will

perhaps, when a parent has had a

baby, so they might bring the baby

in to see the children, and perhaps

they can give it a bath, and the

reception class will go out to a

farm, that is appropriate, the

beginnings of PSA chief.

A real baby

comes in and be reception did give

it a bath?

Know, the parent does.

I

was going to say!

The parent gives

it above but the children are

learning.

Yes, age-appropriate. Why

is your organisation saying that

LGBT issues should be included? Why

is it important in your view?

Because we need to be teaching our

young people about the world in

which they live and it is really

important that they know that there

are many different relationship

setups. I think parents need

supporting, particularly in the

primary school, we work closely with

parents so if we have trained

teachers that no appropriate ways to

teach and talk to children. -- that

know the appropriate ways.

And you

agree with that. Thank you for

joining us.

We'll bring you more on the greater

protection needed for home-buyers

amidst the shocking quality of the

new homes. Some shocking examples

from you this morning. Thank you.

Nick says nearly three years in, we

have 26 outstanding defects that the

ombudsman ordered to be put right.

But the builder simply ignores them.

Several of these are serious

breaches of building regulations.

The hot water system was never

commissioned, as the regulations

require and had serious errors in

safety systems. Drain covers

collapsed and the drains have parts

missing that allow rats free access

between the sewers, the grounds and

our flat rooves. All these things

are breaches of building regulations

but none of the plumbers, site

managers or building control seem to

have the necessary knowledge or

respect of the regulations. This is

the same root cause as the contempt

of regulations that led to the

Grenfell fire. Buying a new build

was the worst mistake of my life

says Nick. I would urge anyone

thinking of doing it to walk away,

it's an industry that is completely

out of control. Wow. Thank you very

much, Nick.

More messages from you throughout

the rest of the programme.

Thousands of women are sharing

their own breast milk via social

media groups in an effort to help

others, a BBC West Midlands

investigation has discovered.

One Facebook page has

seen its followers go up by 600%,

to nearly 18,000, in

less than five years.

The practice is often used

by mothers who aren't able

to produce enough breast milk

for their baby, and others

who produce more than

their children need.

But there are concerns that

because the donors aren't screened,

diseases like hepatitis and HIV

could be passed on in the milk.

We'll be talking to mums

and and an MP and a doctor,

but first Emma Ailes went

to meet Tara Cauchi,

who started using other women's

breast milk to feed her son

Micah after realising

she couldn't produce enough.

So I had intended to exclusively

breast-feed as was recommended

but I had required breast surgery

when I was 18 and so my milk ducts

had been severed a bit and I wasn't

able to produce as much milk

as he needed.

So we started to mix feed,

we introduced formula,

and I'm definitely not anti-formula.

I think that it's best, right?

What works.

So we started doing that

but he wasn't thriving.

He started to lose a lot of weight.

He dropped two

percentiles on his chart.

It just wasn't working,

he started getting really sore skin

and towards the end of that formula

journey he just got

covered in eczema.

He was having stomach issues,

he was struggling all night to poop

and it just wasn't a very good

time for us.

And it's really kind of scary,

not knowing what to feed your kids.

And we just thought,

well this might be a risk

but we definitely know

formula is not working so let's try

it, and we did,

and he's done amazing.

His skin has cleared up pretty

much almost completely,

no more stomach issues.

He's super active, he's very much

thriving and it's just

been really brilliant.

Why are you getting upset?

It just seemed like there wasn't

a lot of help through the NHS,

and to be able to turn to another

mother was brilliant

and they basically kept him alive

so we are super grateful.

We've had mums who have given us

milk because their babies can't

or won't take the bottle

so they have all this milk

that they saved but can't use.

Some mums donate because they

have a huge oversupply.

One of our regular donors,

she had twins and she was making

enough milk for triplets.

So the great thing about it is

you meet them, right?

You connect with them on Facebook

but then you go and meet them

face-to-face and you see their home,

and see in their eyes

that they are good people.

They just want to do

something that's helpful.

Let's talk to Sarah McHugh,

who donates her breast milk

via a Facebook group and baby

Harriett, Rebecca Poole who receives

milk from Sarah for Theo here,

Dr Natalie Shenker, a director

of a human milkbank and SNP MP

Alison Thewliss who chairs a group

of MPs on infant nutrition.

Welcome all of you. Sarah, why do

you donate milk?

Hi. So, I wanted to

feed Harriet but unfortunately, we

had a lot of difficulties with that

despite a lot of help. So I started

expressing milk to then feed Harriet

via bottle. But I ended up with, as

was mentioned in your little

introduction there, too much milk.

So I started looking into donating

it because otherwise it's just

throwing it down the sink really

which, for all my hard work and all

that good milk, would be horrible.

So I looked into denegotiating to

the milk banks which I do so I've

donated regularly to milk banks via

in terms of completing health

screening, having blood tests,

complying to their sterilisation

processes and temperature-checking

processes. But sometimes I had milk

and for example didn't have bottles

to put it in or for whatever reason

I couldn't donate it, so I did store

it in my freezer and that is when I

looked for the more informal routes

of donating the milk.

Hence Rebecca receiving your milk.

Indeed.

Tell us why it's significant

for you that you receive expressed

milk from another mum?

Theo when he

was born dropped quite a lot of

weight, from the 98th percent isle

down to the ninth percent isle. My

milk wasn't enough to meet his

demand. Knowing I myself and my

older little one who is nearly three

as well have milk intolerances, we

are not allergic but we do react

very badly to it, I didn't want to

bring Theo up on formula. So I

looked into milk donor, or receiving

it from a donor. I couldn't afford

the milk bank milk, it was too

expensive and I happened to stumble

across the human milk for human

babies page on Facebook, that's

where I met Sarah.

How do you know

the milk you receive from Sarah is

safe?

Lucky for me, Sarah donates to

Neal owe natal already so I know

she's gone through the correct

screening processes. If Sarah had

not been registered with that and

been through the screening process,

I would have asked certain questions

and would have asked for

certificates of testing and things

that a mum may have done.

Those

certificates of testing, are they

available for everybody or anybody

who is donating milk?

No.

No. That

is the worry?

They need to get it

themselves.

What do you think of

this?

It's a great thing that people

are willing to donate their milk and

are happy to do that, they are

donating to milk banks as well. I

would have concerns that if it's

somebody you have never met or don't

have a relationship with, that you

don't have any kind of sense of the

safety or the voracity of that milk

as well. It's not necessarily the

risk of infection which would be

pretty small, but it's other things

like, is the mum on any medication

that might affect the breast milk,

have they taken any alcohol, do they

have an illness themselves because

breast milk changes on a daily basis

as well, responding to the needs of

the baby. So you have to be

conscious of that. You also don't

know how it's been stored,

transported and whether or not that

would meet the same safety standards

that milk banks are required to

have.

Is it something that the

Government should get involved in or

be worried about?

It's something

they should certainly look at. There

are strict guidelines around milk

banking. There aren't for this kind

of voluntary sharing though. We need

to have a wee look at the guidance

that's there at the moment that

doesn't seem to be on the radar from

the questions we've asked so far.

It's something we need to look at

more widely in the wider context of

infant feeding because there isn't a

strong enough network of milk banks

across England. It tends to be down

to individual hospitals to decide to

take that up. They don't open 24-7,

so if people wanted to donate they

may not be able to necessarily.

Hello, Dr Shenker at the milk bank.

There aren't potentially enough

human Millbanks, hence this informal

arrangement via Facebook. What do

you think of it?

I would take issue

that there aren't enough milk banks,

the question is the issue of scale.

It's expensive to run a human milk

bank. We are operating as a social

enterprise outside the NHS with the

view that we can meet the demand

that we know is out there. Milk

banks have true derisionly been

there to -- traditionally been there

to provide milk to premature babies.

Our donors go through a process

similar to donating blood. We need a

regionalisation of milk banks and a

sense and strategy working with

government and with the UK

association for milk banking to

really make sure that there's

equitable provision and assured

provision across the country.

In the

meantime, to you accept this

informal network of mums getting

together to help each other which in

one sense is really empowering and

moving in a way, do you think that

is filling a demand on the other

hand is OK?

Absolutely. I mean,

women have done this for Millennia

and that's how our species evolved

is that women who couldn't

breast-feed were supported by other

mums in the community. We'd like to

work to bring elements of safety

into that to ensure babies are not

harmed in any way. Accidentally by

very well-meaning mothers in this

what can be a wonderful arrangement.

Sarah, have you ever... Sorry, go

on, Rebecca?

I was going to say, for

us, I firmly believe that a mother

is feeding her own baby her milk

would not give that milk to another

baby knowing that there was an

infection of any kind there. There

would be no malice whatsoever.

You

are probably right, but you don't

know. I mean, as Alison said, the

mum might be on certain medication

which might have an effect on the

breast milk. We'd all like to think

mums are kind and want to help other

mums.

There is the aspect they may

not know, for example, if they are

suffering with or have a viral

inFCion. They may not know. But the

risks are minimal. There is research

out there to show that, I mean

maximum of 20% chance that you could

catch a virus through the feeding

aspect. So when you make that

informed decision and have the open

discussion, so me and Sarah had a

good chat, if I wasn't receiving

milk from Sarah and selected another

mum, the conversations would have

been brutal to an extent.

In what

way, what would you have asked?

I

would want to know personally gluten

and dairy medications, I would want

to visit the house, so I want to go

and say hi to them, see what their

environment is like, my gut would

then start giving me warning signs

if there were any issues.

OK. Well,

thank you all of you, I'm really

grateful for you talking to us

today. Thank you so much. Harriet's

been a delight, she's been so well

behaved. Let me tell you, Rebecca,

we have never had a sleeping baby on

this programme before, usually

babies run amok in the studio and we

love it! We also love sleeping Theos

as well. Thank you very much for

your time.

We'll bring you the latest news and

sport in a moment. Let me bring you

this news - a prisoner called Paul

Black who wants smoking in jails to

be a criminal offence has lost his

legal battle at the Supreme Court.

We'll bring you more reaction to

that in the next hour of the

programme. But an inmate called Paul

Black who wants smoking in jails to

be made a criminal offence lost his

battle at the Supreme Court. He was

concerned about his own exposure to

second hand smoke and he wanted

illicit lighting up in jails to be a

criminal offence, wanted the same

level of protection from the risks

posed by passive smoking as

"non-smokers living in the wider

community" but has lost his case.

The latest weather now. It's way

colder today Matt, what is going

The latest weather now. It's way

colder today Matt, what is going on?

It certainly is. We have had a chill

across the country this morning,

particularly for England. The fog we

saw overnight has lifted quickly but

the frost and the ice is around.

Lovely shots across some parts of

England at the moment but on the

pavements and roads, it's slippy and

a big temperature contrast. Minus

four in Bournemouth but almost 20

degrees warmer in Highland Scotland

at 15 at the moment. The temperature

contrasts will exist to a certain

degree through today. The reason

it's warmer in Scotland and Northern

Ireland, we have south-west winds

here, a lot more cloud, so

temperatures didn't drop much

through the night. The temperatures

will rise in the Moray Firth later

on. Increased amounts of cloud in

northern England and the Midlands. A

few Lyngering fog patches there.

They Lynger in East Anglia.

Temperatures only around four or

five, as opposed to 14 in the Moray

Firth.

Into tonight, a lot more cloud

around. Victoria will be happy, it

won't be as cold out there. Wet and

windy weather spread across Northern

Ireland and Scotland. Drizzle for

England and Wales, misty over the

hills and whilst the odd pocket of

frost and fog is possible with

outbreaks to the east of England and

later in the north-west of Scotland,

most will be frost-free. A damp

start for early risers, southern

Scotland and Northern Ireland. That

patchy rain and drizzle moves into

the north and North Wales through

the day. Gloomy through the

afternoon. To the south of it, a lot

more cloud than we have been used

to. A few cloud breaks but it will

be milder than we have seen so far

and still faring not too bad in

Scotland and Northern Ireland as far

as temperatures are concerned. Here,

a better chance of sunshine. Into

Thursday, the weather front is

further south so a few spots of rain

and drizzle. Mild weather in the

south. Brighter in the north but it

will feel colder and there could be

some frost around through Thursday

night into Friday morning still.

That will gradually give way to

milder weather through the weekend.

Christmas Day chart, at the moment,

it could change, but wet and windy

weather spreading across England and

Wales and turning colder and there

could be some wintry showers.

Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 10

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

This morning: "uninhabitable" new

built homes with countless problems.

We hear calls for greater protection

for home-buyers amid growing

concerns about the quality

of some new-build homes.

We're in a position where one,

it's not sellable and two,

we've been told it's not inhabitable

either, so we've...

Well, we've lost everything.

So many of you getting in touch

to share the problems

you've experienced.

We'll hear from some

of you in around 10 minutes' time.

Also on the programme -

the grandparents of a four-year-old

girl who's been missing since May

plead for her safe return.

Elliana Shand is thought

to be with her mother,

who has schizophrenia and,

according to a judge,

poses a very real risk

to her daughter's safety.

I do have a bizarre understanding

of why they'd do it.

I don't agree with it but I do

understand why the did it.

I don't agree with it but I do

understand why they did it.

But it's not in the child's interest

and it's certainly not

in Jessica's interest.

The full interview before 11am.

And we are shortly expecting

the sentencing of reality TV star

Ferne McCann's ex-boyfriend

Arthur Collins, who threw

acid over a group of men

in an East London nightclub.

We'll bring you that when we get it.

Good morning.

Here's Ben Brown in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

Four men from South Yorkshire

and Derbyshire have been arrested

on suspicion of terrorism offences.

Three of the men, who are aged 22,

36 and 41, were arrested

at their homes in Sheffield.

A fourth man, who's 31, was arrested

at an address in Chesterfield.

All of the men have been

taken to a police station

in West Yorkshire for questioning.

Investigators say a train

which crashed in the US state

of Washington, killing three people,

was travelling at 80 mph

in a 30 mph zone.

Around 70 people were injured,

ten seriously, when the train

plunged off a bridge

onto a motorway below.

Preliminary indications are that the

train was travelling at 80 mph in a

30 mph track.

The train was a 12-car train and it

had a locomotive both

in the front and back.

Amtrak estimates that 80 passengers

were on the train with three crew

and two service personnel

in the cafe car.

The crew went on duty at 5am

and the train departed

at 6am this morning.

There were two stops

and the last stop was 18 miles

prior to the accident.

Parents, teachers and young people

in England are being asked

to suggest what should be included

in new guidelines for

teaching children about

sex and relationships.

The current guidelines have not been

updated since the year 2000

and don't address issues such

as sexting and online pornography.

Ministers say this is

"unacceptable" and want

new guidance for autumn 2019.

There are calls for greater

protection for homebuyers

amid growing concerns

about the quality of

some new-build homes.

This programme has heard from people

who bought properties from major

builders and then experienced

serious problems shortly

after moving in.

Campaigners say that in such cases,

buyers often find they are powerless

to insist that builders

correct the faults.

The Royal Navy's new £3 billion

aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth

is leaking. The future flagship

commode was commissioned by the

Queen lesson two weeks ago, as a

problem with one of the propeller

shafts. The fault was first

identified during sea trials. A

spokesman says the aircraft carrier

was scheduled for repair and will be

sailing again early in the New Year.

The grandparents of a four-year-old

girl who has been missing since May

have appealed for

help in finding her.

Elliana Shand,

who celebrates her birthday today,

went missing from her home

in the summer.

Her grandparents' appeal comes

after evidence suggests

she is travelling with her mother,

who has schizophrenia.

And we'll have much more on this

story at around 10.30 when we'll be

hearing from Elliana's grandparents,

who will explain why they've gone

public with their appeal for help.

The government is to outline

measures to tackle race bias in the

criminal justice system in England

and Wales following a report from

Labour MP David Lammy which found

the system discriminates against