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Hello.

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It's Monday, it's nine o'clock.

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I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

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This morning - we'll bring

you claims that sexual abuse

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and harassment is "endemic"

in the music industry,

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with "dangerous men"

abusing their power.

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Young women are being sexually

assaulted, still, today.

There are

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some very dangerous men in this

business. Right at the top? Yes.

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Currently? Yes.

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That full exclusive

report at about 0915 -

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and if you work in the music

industry - really keen to hear

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from you this morning.

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Do get in touch with

your own experience.

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Also on the programme -

doctors are warning that tens

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of thousands of people may be

at increased risk of dying early

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from heart attacks and strokes

by misusing anabolic steroids.

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Everything that we do in life, I

think, carries a risk of heart

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attack, cancer, whatever it is.

Whatever it is, I will get that

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risk anyway.

We will hear from those

who use steroids and those who sell

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them.

There are those who abuse

steroids and it damages their help.

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That's their choice.

-- damages

their health.

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The full Newsbeat report before ten.

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And - Senior government ministers

are meeting in half an hour

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or so to discuss in detail

for the first time what the UK's

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future relationship

with the EU should be.

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Hello...

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Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11.

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It is Christmas week!

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Throughout the programme this

morning we'll bring you the latest

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breaking news and

developing stories.

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A little

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later we'll hear from Liam Allan -

the 22-year-old student whose rape

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trial collapsed after detectives

failed to disclose vital

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evidence to the defence.

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He's told this programme he wants

an apology from police and the CPS.

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Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria live

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Our top story today...

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Theresa May is due to meet

her Brexit cabinet -

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about a dozen of her most senior

ministers - to discuss for the first

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time what the UK's future

relationship with the EU should be.

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Later, she is expected to tell MPs

the UK wants to sign trade deals

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during what she calls

an implementation period.

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And what everybody else calls a

transition period.

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Norman Smith is at Westminster.

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How crucial is the meeting this

morning?

It is one of those big

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banana moments. It is a funny one,

in a way. We've had months of them

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going on and on about Brexit but

still there hasn't been a formal sit

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down with senior members of the

Cabinet decided what is the future

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of Britain going to be outside of

the EU, and the future trading

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relationship, what will that be with

the European Union? That will happen

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today and it is the first time

they've done it, in spite of months

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of debate. There is a clear

difference between those like Philip

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Hammond and Amber Rudd, who think

that the priority is staying close

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to the European Union and single

market so we have access still to

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the single market for British

industry, so we take some EU rules,

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we stay in some EU bodies and may

give them money to get access to key

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parts of the British economy, like

the city. Against them, the likes of

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Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, more

optimistic about prospects for

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Britain if we just move away from

Europe. We do not stay bound by all

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of their roles because, they say,

that it you look a long way ahead,

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big trading blocs like the EU, that

will not be the name of the game,

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the name of the game will be small

countries, agile countries able to

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strike their own trade deals, and

that is what Britain ought to be

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like. There is a clear difference

about what we ought to do in terms

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of our future relationship with

Europe.

How likely is it the EU will

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support her plans?

Here is one of

the big difficulties. Not only has

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Theresa May got to get a Cabinet

together on this but she's also got

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to square the EU and, overnight, we

heard from the EU's chief negotiator

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Michel Barnier, he said look, if you

think we are going to cut you a

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special deal? No way! There are

certain options, you could be like

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Norway, not in the EU, but still

part of the single market or, you

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could be like Canada, which has a

free trade deal but do not think

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that there will be any special

arrangement for Britain. As I say,

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she's not only got to hold her

Cabinet together but push the EU

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into giving us what is called a

bespoke deal.

Norman, thank you.

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Now let's go over to the BBC

Newsroom for a summary

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of the rest of the day's news.

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Good morning.

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Police in Beirut say they have

arrested a suspect as part

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of the investigation into the murder

of a British embassy worker

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whose body was found

by the side of a motorway.

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Rebecca Dykes was working

in the capital city

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of Beirut for the Department

for International Development.

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It is thought she had been abducted

and strangled after leaving a party.

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Martin Patience is in Beirut.

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It does appear that there has been a

big breakthrough in this case,

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Lebanese police are telling us that

they've arrested a suspect in the

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early hours of this morning. It is

believed that man had been working

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as a taxi driver. Rebecca had been

out on Friday night at a going away

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party for a colleague. It was in a

popular bar area of the city, and it

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was sometime after midnight that she

left that bar to make our way home.

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It appears that perhaps she got into

a taxi and then, on Saturday, her

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body was found dumped close to a

motorway on the outskirts of the

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city.

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Martin patients reporting there from

the Lebanese capital.

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The increasing pressure

on teenage boys and men

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in their twenties to look perfect

has led to more of them

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taking anabolic steroids

to achieve what they see

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as the ideal body type.

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Today, the British Cardiovascular

Society is warning tens of thousands

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of people who take the drugs

are putting themselves

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at risk of dying early,

as Radio One Newsbeat's Dan

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Whitworth reports.

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As well as heart attacks

and strokes, people who take

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anabolic steroids also risk health

problems like infertility

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and mood swings.

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But those risks aren't

putting users off.

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Everything that we do in life

carries a risk of heart attack,

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cancer, whatever it is.

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So, whatever it is, I'm

going to get those risks anyway,

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so I choose not to do certain

things, and I choose this

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as my lifestyle instead.

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So, as I don't go out

drinking and smoking,

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I take steroids.

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When it comes to the law,

anabolic steroids are legal to use

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and legal to possess

right across the UK.

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What is illegal, though,

is supplying them unless you're

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a doctor, and if you're caught,

you could face a prison sentence

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of up to 14 years.

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Anabolic steroids cause

an imbalance of hormones,

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which can damage many different

organs, but in particular the heart.

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But that doesn't stop this man,

who spoke on condition of anonymity,

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from dealing them.

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There's a very broad spectrum

of people that use steroids.

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You're ranging from young

guys at 18-year-olds,

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19, 20, just starting out,

and they're training and looking

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to bulk up for maybe a summer

holiday, or just to look good for...

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For a summer holiday?

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For a summer holiday, or they just

want to attract the girls.

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So these are the guys that you have

to be more informative when you talk

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to them, make them more aware

of the risks and the dangers.

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The group which advises government

on drug misuse is in the middle

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of a big review of anabolic

steroids, and due to report

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its findings next year.

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Dan Whitworth, BBC News, Bristol.

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This programme has been told that

sexual abuse and harassment in the

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music industry are "Endemic".

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Four women have spoken

about the serious assaults and rape

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they suffered at the hands

of powerful men in the industry.

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One singer has spoken

about being groomed by her manager

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at one of the biggest music

companies in the UK

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when she was just 15 years old.

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The family of a taxi driver

who was among six people killed

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in a road accident in Birmingham

yesterday, have described him

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as "happy" and "loving".

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Imtiaz Mohammed and his

two passengers died,

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alongside three men in another car.

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Crash investigators

are trying to piece together

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what caused the pile-up.

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Myanmar's leaders could face

genocide charges, according

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to the UN's human rights chief.

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He's told the BBC that the organised

and planned nature of

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the persecution of the Rohingya

ethnic group in Myanmar means

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genocide could not be ruled out.

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The plight of hundreds of thousands

of Rohingya people is said to be

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the world's fastest growing refugee

crisis.

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There's been major disruption

at the world's busiest airport

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in Atlanta in the United States,

as a result of a power cut.

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Some passengers were left

in darkened terminals at Atlanta's

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Hartsfield-Jackson airport.

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More than 1000 flights have

been cancelled and many

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are being diverted elsewhere.

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The airport typically handles more

than 250,000 passengers

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and almost 2,500 flights every day.

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A new plan for tackling plastic

waste has been outlined

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by the Environment Secretary Michael

Gove.

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He says he wants to reduce

the amount of plastics used

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in the UK and to make sure

more is recycled.

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Mr Gove says he's been moved

to act faster after seeing

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David Attenborough's Blue Planet

series which highlighted the harm

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to marine life from plastic litter.

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The four time Olympic champion,

Sir Mo Farah, has won this year's

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BBC Sports Personality of the Year.

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Motorcyclist Jonathan Rea

was second, and paralympic sprinter,

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Jonnie Peacock, was third.

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The pre-award favourite,

heavyweight world champ

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Anthony Joshua, finished

in fourth place.

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But the result wasn't

the only unexpected event.

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When Sir Mo's shock victory

was announced, the link

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to his location in London went down.

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Eventually the line was established,

this is what he had to say.

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As an athlete, what I've achieved

has been incredible over the years.

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For all of the youngsters and to the

people out there, you can work hard

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and you can achieve your dreams.

Anything is possible in life. If you

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believe in it, work at it, and keep

grafting, anything is possible. What

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an amazing night it is and I wish I

was there but unfortunately I cannot

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be there. The kids haven't been as

well, but it is all exciting for us.

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I just cannot believe that I have

won!

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Congratulations to Sir Mo Farah.

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Historic England has published

a list of the the most unusual

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structures and sites given protected

listed status in 2017.

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The National Heritage List

recognises places of

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special architectural

or historic importance.

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Historic England says

the places gaining the status

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are increasingly quirky.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30.

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Thank you. In a fume and it's time

we have a film that talks about the

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grotesque level of sexual abuse and

harassment within the music

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industry. We will hear claims that

one teenage singer-songwriter was

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ruined by her manager and claims

that there are men at the top of the

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music sector in serious positions of

power who, according to some women,

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should be in jail. That's at 9:15am.

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Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria live

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at the standard network rate.

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Let's get some sport

with Holly Hamilton.

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Sadly, it was only a matter of time

before Australia regain the Ashes?

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Yes, I feel like I've brought bad

news this morning! They say that bad

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things happen in threes, that was

the case for England this time

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around, it was all over by one

innings and 41 runs, and a dominant

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scoreline too. To think that England

had been 368-4, it feels like they

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let an opportunity slip. They will

be kicking themselves this morning.

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And we did have a little bit of hope

early this morning when a three-hour

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delay caused by some leaking covers

and damp patches on the pitch

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provided some respite for England.

But Australia's bowlers - led

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superbly by Josh Hazlewood - quite

simply blew England's tail away.

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Five wickets for Hazlewood, two for

Pat Cummins, two for Nathan Lyon,

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one for Mitch Starc.

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An innings built on a magnificent

239 by the captain, and 188 from

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Mitch Marsh. A proper team

performance to go 3-0 up by

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Australia. Let's hear from the

captains. It is bitterly

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disappointing.

We have not been

blown away. We have not been

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completely outplayed. We have put up

some really good performances, but

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not good enough, as simple as that.

In all three games, we have matched

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and outplayed Australia, and those

key moments within the game, it's a

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credit to those guys. That aside,

they have really grasped those and

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driven it home. We have to learn

from that and make sure that in

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these last two games, that they do

that.

It has been an amazing couple

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of weeks. I have really enjoyed

every moment of it. We have put in

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so much hard work, the preparation

and everything that has come with

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the series, it has been huge and to

know that everything has worked out,

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we've been able to get the urn back.

All of those emotions, they came out

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at once. I am so pleased and happy

for the group. For everyone, the

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support staff and everyone who has

put in the work, and everything, to

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get that success we've had over the

last couple of weeks.

You can see

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the difference in their faces in

those interviews. Already, some big

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changes been discussed looking ahead

but this will be a very hard pill

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for England to swallow now. STUDIO:

It's interesting to hear that Giroud

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didn't think that England were

outplayed by Australia are all the

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time. If you had to pinpoint areas

where it went wrong for England,

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what would you say?

To be honest,

throughout the series, England have

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outplayed in most departments, there

has been a feeling that maybe there

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was a gap in quality? More

aggression and more attack, and they

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are quite a young side. While it

felt like it was the senior core of

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the England side who quite simply

did not show up, like Moeen Ali, he

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struggled with the bat. Stuart

Broad, he struggled with rhythm

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throughout. And then in the absence

of the all-rounder Ben Stokes. Let's

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hear from the England coach, Trevor

Bayliss.

It has changed the dynamics

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of our team, I certainly think that

the Australian team have been too

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strong for us. Whether he is here or

not, the simple fact is that he

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wasn't. The guys here, in the team,

they took that on board very early.

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They haven't been whingeing about

not being here, they are getting on

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without him. It certainly has been a

change to the setup we've had over

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the last couple of years.

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This is England's eighth defeat in

eight tests in Australia and their

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seventh successive away defeat. An

early Christmas present for

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Australia. England will have to come

back strong in Melbourne and Sydney

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to avoid yet another whitewash.

It

is looking that way, sadly,

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annoyingly friends and fans. Thank

you. Good morning.

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Sexual abuse and harassment

in the music industry are "endemic".

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That's what this programme has been

told, while investigating the issue.

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Over the past month we've spoken

to women who have been serious

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sexually assaulted in the industry,

and who have been told to stay quiet

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about the abuse they've suffered.

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We've heard that there are dangerous

men at the top of the industry

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who abuse their power -

and that often inappropriate

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behavior goes unchallenged.

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Our reporter Jean Mackenzie, who's

been looking at this, is here now.

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What have you learned? I have been

speaking to women across the

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industry over the past month. It

became quite clear quickly that

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there is a dark side to this

industry. One woman said it has a

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dark underbelly. I had heard about a

range of behaviour, from general

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cultural misogyny that exists that

can make it difficult for women to

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work in, to more sinister behaviour,

things like serious harassment,

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assault, predatory behaviour. I have

spoken to women who have been

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seriously sexually assaulted at

work. By people they work with. But

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I have also learned that there is a

real feeling in this industry that

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you have to be sexually available to

get ahead. Women being expected to

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sleep with people or do certain

things to get opportunities. And if

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they are not willing to do those

things, those opportunities can go

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away. It is not just artists and

musicians. We are also talking about

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people who work for a music

companies. It is not just women. It

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is men as well who are vulnerable to

being exploited. There really is a

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sense that everyone in this industry

has some sort of story to tell.

Why

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does the alleged abuse happen?

This

is an industry in which there are

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huge imbalances of power. You have

people at the top who will

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absolutely -- wheeled absolutely

enormous power, who all people's

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hopes and dreams in their hands, who

can make and break careers. At the

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bottom we have people trying to

break into this industry, which is

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fun, competitive and exciting.

People have said, where you -- when

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you get that power dynamic you

create an environment where abuse

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can happen. Not only that, you

create an environment where the

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perpetrators can get away with it.

One of the things I have been so

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struck by in doing this is the real

culture of silence that exists.

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People who are absolutely terrified

to talk about this. And that is not

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just terrified to share their own

experiences. People don't even want

0:18:390:18:44

to say publicly that this is an

industry with a problem. There is a

0:18:440:18:47

real feeling that if you speak out,

you lose your job. You may never

0:18:470:18:52

work in the industry again because

it is a small industry. It is

0:18:520:18:55

entirely based on your reputation,

who you know. One woman said to me,

0:18:550:19:01

if you lose your reputation in this

industry, you have lost everything.

0:19:010:19:04

I have spoken to women who will

never share their stories, who will

0:19:040:19:08

never mention to anybody what has

happened to them. But we did find

0:19:080:19:12

for women who had been prepared to

speak out. Some of them waved their

0:19:120:19:17

anonymity to tell their stories for

the first time. In the film we are

0:19:170:19:21

about to watch, there are some

sexually explicit references. There

0:19:210:19:24

are things you may find upsetting

and you may not want your children

0:19:240:19:28

to see.

It will last for about 30 minutes.

0:19:280:19:32

-- 13.

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When I first started working

in the music industry,

0:19:350:19:37

I was 21 years old, and I had just

moved to London from

0:19:370:19:40

Leeds.

0:19:400:19:41

I was working in the A and R

department in a major music company.

0:19:410:19:45

It was very sociable, very fun,

there was a lot of alcohol.

0:19:450:19:48

I went to gigs every

night, it was like my

0:19:480:19:50

dream come true job.

0:19:500:19:52

Being signed at 16, I was just

fresh out of school,

0:19:520:19:55

so I didn't really have a lot

of experience in the music industry,

0:19:550:19:58

and it was sort of just

like a whirlwind.

0:19:580:20:01

I remember the day that

I got my GCSE results, was like the

0:20:010:20:04

same day as I was going off

to meetings and, like, meeting big

0:20:040:20:07

label people up in London.

0:20:070:20:11

So, I've always been

making music and writing

0:20:140:20:16

songs since very young,

and when I was about 13,

0:20:160:20:20

I started putting them online.

0:20:200:20:25

When I was 15, somebody e-mailed me,

from one of the really

0:20:250:20:28

big music companies in the UK.

0:20:280:20:32

He said that he wanted

to help me, he

0:20:320:20:34

wanted to work with me.

0:20:340:20:43

I got a job in a recording

studio making

0:20:430:20:45

the tea And it was

the most fantastic job

0:20:450:20:47

ever, I loved it.

0:20:470:20:48

I worked really, really hard.

0:20:480:20:50

I worked with amazing people

who were just, all men who

0:20:500:20:52

just looked after me and treated me

like a younger sister.

0:20:520:20:55

I had a great time there

for a couple of years.

0:20:550:20:58

But, I was, sort of,

a bit more ambitious than that.

0:20:580:21:00

I wanted to run EMI

Records worldwide one day.

0:21:000:21:03

And, lo and behold, I got offered

an incredible job abroad.

0:21:030:21:08

Did you have negative experiences?

0:21:080:21:13

Can you talk me through one of them?

0:21:130:21:15

When I was about 23 years

old, I went to a gig

0:21:150:21:18

like I did every night.

0:21:180:21:26

I went with a few friends from work.

0:21:260:21:28

We met the manager of a couple of

artists that we were trying to sign.

0:21:280:21:32

He started plying me with drinks,

and buying me shots.

0:21:320:21:37

We ended up drinking quite a lot

and then going back to mine

0:21:370:21:40

to continue the night.

0:21:400:21:43

He fell asleep on the sofa

and I went to bed.

0:21:430:21:50

I woke up in the middle

of the night, and he had

0:21:500:21:53

got into bed with me.

0:21:530:21:54

And his fingers were inside me.

0:21:540:21:59

He had lit all the

candles in my room.

0:21:590:22:01

He acted like it wasn't a big

deal, but he did stop.

0:22:010:22:04

But, I didn't know how long

he had been doing it

0:22:040:22:07

before I woke up.

0:22:070:22:17

He went back to sleep on the sofa

and in the morning he was gone.

0:22:170:22:21

Added you feel when you woke

up and knew what was

0:22:210:22:23

happening?

0:22:230:22:24

It must have been hugely traumatic.

0:22:240:22:26

It was one of the most horrible

experiences of my life.

0:22:260:22:29

I felt truly violated, so I went

to work, and a very quietly

0:22:290:22:32

told people.

0:22:320:22:33

I was encouraged to keep quiet

on the matter, because it

0:22:330:22:35

would hurt our chances

of signing his artist.

0:22:350:22:37

He actually got away with assault.

0:22:370:22:40

By the age of 16, Amy had started

working with the manager

0:22:400:22:42

of one of the UK's

largest music companies.

0:22:420:22:44

She quickly became

a successful artist.

0:22:440:22:47

We have changed her name

to protect her identity.

0:22:470:22:55

For the first few years

when we work together,

0:22:550:22:58

were actually really good.

0:22:580:22:59

My music was getting attention

from labels, for the first time.

0:22:590:23:01

We had chart success

with my first videos.

0:23:010:23:04

And we were quite a good team,

until everything went wrong.

0:23:040:23:07

What went wrong?

0:23:070:23:12

Well, he told me that he was

in love with me, and

0:23:120:23:17

that if I didn't agree

to be his girlfriend,

0:23:170:23:19

then he would would ruin my career.

0:23:190:23:21

I was 17 at this point.

0:23:210:23:24

He was quite a few

years older than me,

0:23:240:23:27

so I went along with it,

and

0:23:270:23:30

over the next two years,

he continued to blackmail me and

0:23:300:23:35

threaten me to be in a relationship.

0:23:350:23:36

For Chloe, success also

came at a young age.

0:23:360:23:41

By 16, she had been signed

to a major record label,

0:23:410:23:44

and soon after was nominated

for a Brit award.

0:23:440:23:47

So, there was a guy that

I was working with within the

0:23:470:23:49

industry.

0:23:490:23:52

We were working quite closely

together, and I was a teenager.

0:23:520:24:02

Slowly, as time went on,

he would sort of encourage me into

0:24:020:24:05

doing things that I had

never really done before.

0:24:050:24:07

Drugs, I had no

experience in whatsoever.

0:24:070:24:15

There were times when

he would sort of drop

0:24:150:24:17

me off at my hotel, and then

he would text me and say, why didn't

0:24:170:24:22

And I would be like,

God, am I meant to

0:24:220:24:24

invite this person in

that I'm working with?

0:24:240:24:33

And then I would sort of feel like,

almost pressured to

0:24:330:24:35

flirt back with him, all too sort

of not make it seem weird.

0:24:350:24:38

Because I didn't want

to disappoint this guy

0:24:380:24:40

who I thought held my

career in his hands.

0:24:400:24:42

He started sending me texts,

one night, completely out of

0:24:420:24:45

the blue.

0:24:450:24:46

Telling me that he was madly in love

with me, that if he wasn't

0:24:460:24:49

working with me, he would be

totally cracking onto me.

0:24:490:24:52

I was 18, I remember one night he

grabbed my bum and said something

0:24:520:24:57

along the lines of, I feel that we

would have a really

0:24:570:25:00

good time in the sack.

And, I was a teenager.

0:25:000:25:02

I was off my face.

0:25:020:25:03

I haven't come forward and spoken

about it, because I know

0:25:030:25:06

that people would have said,

you were off your face, you know.

0:25:060:25:09

You are a flirt.

0:25:090:25:10

Or whatever it is.

0:25:100:25:11

And it did make me

feel very comfortable

0:25:110:25:13

and sort of ashamed,

because I would feel like,

0:25:130:25:15

am I leading this guy on?

0:25:150:25:17

Am I letting this happen?

0:25:170:25:18

Am I meant to be letting it happen?

0:25:180:25:21

So, what's did your

relationship look like?

0:25:210:25:25

Being in the relationship was pretty

horrible because I had to

0:25:250:25:29

continuously act as

though the feelings

0:25:290:25:33

were mutual, because, if you saw any

signs that they weren't,

0:25:330:25:36

then he would get very angry.

0:25:360:25:41

He made a list of all

the things that I

0:25:410:25:43

was and wasn't allowed to do.

0:25:430:25:46

And, it had things

like showing him more

0:25:460:25:49

affection, talking to my friends

and family less, and making sure

0:25:490:25:55

that he was the person I talked

to be most in my life.

0:25:550:25:58

He convinced me that he was the only

reason I was having any success.

0:25:580:26:02

And that if I told anybody that

success would go away.

0:26:020:26:04

And no one would

want to work with me

0:26:040:26:07

without him in the picture.

0:26:070:26:11

In her 20s, Michelle

got her break, and

0:26:110:26:14

landed a job abroad,

working for a big music company.

0:26:140:26:18

But, when she arrived,

she was told her work

0:26:180:26:20

permit had not come through,

and she had to stay With an older

0:26:200:26:24

more senior colleague.

0:26:240:26:26

I'd only been there a few days

when small things happened.

0:26:260:26:32

He would walk into my room

with no clothes on.

0:26:320:26:35

And then, one night,

he came into the room and

0:26:350:26:37

said that he wanted

to sleep with me.

0:26:370:26:40

I mean, I was a young girl, and I

really didn't know how to handle

0:26:400:26:44

Them

0:26:440:26:44

this kind of thing, because I had

never come across this before.

0:26:440:26:48

He would masturbate in front of me.

0:26:480:26:52

He would masturbate on me.

0:26:520:26:54

And say, I know you really like it.

0:26:540:26:58

You must have been terrified.

0:26:580:27:00

Oh, I felt ashamed, actually.

0:27:000:27:03

I felt really ashamed.

0:27:030:27:09

I felt like a sex slave, actually.

0:27:090:27:12

That's the best way to describe it.

0:27:120:27:17

But, I found out, actually

who the immigration people

0:27:170:27:22

were that I needed to

speak to, and I rang

0:27:220:27:24

them up, and they said

that

0:27:240:27:26

they had my immigration papers

ready for several months.

0:27:260:27:29

And, I got myself an

apartment, and I continued

0:27:290:27:31

working at the company

for several months.

0:27:310:27:33

One day, I was with a girl

in the office, and we were told,

0:27:330:27:38

could we go and see him after work?

0:27:380:27:41

So, we went up to his office, and

then he turned around to us both,

0:27:410:27:45

took out his penis,

and said, "I want to

0:27:450:27:47

have a threesome with you.

Come on girls, let's do it."

0:27:470:27:51

We went to a lawyer,

and we were categorically

0:27:510:27:53

told that he had committed

a serious crime.

0:27:530:27:58

But, the lawyer said,

if you report this,

0:27:580:28:00

you will never work

in the industry again.

0:28:000:28:06

So, we went for a coffee,

we handed in our notice, and

0:28:060:28:09

never went back to the office again.

0:28:090:28:12

What happened to this man?

0:28:120:28:14

Where is he in the industry now?

0:28:140:28:17

He is still in it, and I do know

for a fact that he has

0:28:170:28:20

had other allegations against him.

0:28:200:28:24

Being a musician is all

that I ever wanted.

0:28:240:28:28

For my whole life.

And it was finally happening.

0:28:280:28:30

It should have been

the best time in my life,

0:28:300:28:32

but it was actually

the worst time of my life.

0:28:320:28:35

By now, Amy says her manager had

started to sexually assault her.

0:28:350:28:40

I didn't want to survive any more,

because it was just a horrible life.

0:28:400:28:44

I thought, I'm going to get

a nine to five job, and

0:28:440:28:49

I'll be banned from

the music industry.

0:28:490:28:55

But, I'd rather be banished

from doing what I love, than have to

0:28:550:28:58

spend any more time with this man.

0:28:580:29:00

Looking back, do you think

that he groomed to?

0:29:000:29:02

Yes, I do think he groomed me.

0:29:020:29:04

I was 15 when we met,

and he was looking online for a girl

0:29:040:29:07

to manage.

0:29:070:29:08

It does worry me that he is still

working, and that this

0:29:080:29:11

might happen to somebody else.

0:29:110:29:12

From afar, I check up

on him to make sure

0:29:120:29:15

that he is not managing

other young girls.

0:29:150:29:19

And, at the moment he isn't.

0:29:190:29:28

Jasmine put out a call asking women

to share their experiences of sexual

0:29:280:29:32

misconduct in the music industry.

I

expected a stories of sexual

0:29:320:29:37

harassment. He wouldn't stop looking

at my boots or I got on wanted

0:29:370:29:42

compliments from him all the time.

But what I have actually received a

0:29:420:29:46

stories of rape, insisting on

receiving bludgeons, seriously

0:29:460:29:52

assaulting women, chasing them down

the street, raping them in

0:29:520:29:54

apartments.

I thought, I'm going to

do this. It was a big thing for me

0:29:540:30:04

to do. And then I woke up in the

morning and my Facebook feed was

0:30:040:30:09

full of almost every other woman I

know in the music industry also

0:30:090:30:12

saying, mean to -- me, too.

How

widespread you think this sort of

0:30:120:30:18

abuses?

Probably more than we will

ever know because people like myself

0:30:180:30:23

are always going to be too scared to

come forward. And I think that's

0:30:230:30:28

what we need to change as an

industry and as a society.

Sexual

0:30:280:30:33

assault and abuse in the music

industry is endemic. I don't have a

0:30:330:30:37

single peer in the music industry

who has never been sexually harassed

0:30:370:30:40

or assaulted.

I know girls who have

been raped. And it's always a man in

0:30:400:30:46

power and a girl on the rise who

needs as much support as possible,

0:30:460:30:53

whose career hasn't started yet and

who maybe this is her first big

0:30:530:30:58

shot. I know that I'm very lucky to

have the experiences that I have

0:30:580:31:05

had, they haven't gone any further.

That sounds mad.

What do you mean?

0:31:050:31:11

To say you are lucky.

Yeah. It's

grossed out what I -- that I think

0:31:110:31:19

what happened to me is an easy ride.

It is sick that I think what's

0:31:190:31:23

happened to me is one of the good

stories. It should be nothing at

0:31:230:31:28

all.

Michelle has gone on to a

successful career in music and is

0:31:280:31:34

now working in the film industry.

0:31:340:31:39

Why have you decided to finally

speak about what has happened to

0:31:390:31:43

you?

I never wanted to happen to

anyone again. I thought I was a

0:31:430:31:48

hangover of the 1980s, 1990s. I

thought that sort of behaviour was

0:31:480:31:52

no longer in the business but it is

clear that that behaviour is still

0:31:520:31:56

going on. Young women are being

sexually assaulted still today.

0:31:560:32:01

There are some very dangerous men in

this business.

Right at the top?

0:32:010:32:05

Yes.

Currently?

Yes, I have no doubt

that there are people working in the

0:32:050:32:12

music industry today who should not

be working in the music industry. I

0:32:120:32:17

have no doubt that there are people

working in the music industry today

0:32:170:32:19

who should be in prison. I have

absolutely no doubt that they think

0:32:190:32:23

that they are safe. That they think

that they are untouchable. Maybe

0:32:230:32:29

some of the horrific things they did

were a long time ago. They have

0:32:290:32:32

probably forgotten about them but I

can assure you that their victims

0:32:320:32:36

have not.

A lot of people have come

to me and said, don't stick your

0:32:360:32:41

neck out on this. This could affect

your chances of getting work in

0:32:410:32:44

future. But if this is the hill I

die on, so be it. I am angry. Things

0:32:440:32:51

need to change.

0:32:510:32:57

UK Music, which represents

the industry told us "Any form

0:32:570:33:00

or abuse or harassment in the music

industry or any other workplace

0:33:000:33:03

or section of society should

never be tolerated."

0:33:030:33:07

More reaction to this

to come after ten.

0:33:070:33:10

If you work in the music

0:33:100:33:12

industry do get in touch

and share your stories

0:33:120:33:14

with us this morning.

0:33:140:33:16

You can do that anonymously, of

course.

0:33:160:33:20

Still to come.

0:33:200:33:21

As senior Government Ministers meet

to discuss what the UK's future

0:33:210:33:23

relationship with the EU should be -

we'll ask what reception Theresa May

0:33:230:33:27

will get with her cabinet

still split on the issue.

0:33:270:33:29

And with doctors warning

about the increased risk of people

0:33:290:33:32

dying early from heart attacks

and strokes by misusing

0:33:320:33:34

anabolic steroids,

0:33:340:33:35

we have a Newsbeat report

following one user.

0:33:350:33:41

Time for the latest

news with Annita.

0:33:410:33:47

The headlines on BBC News this

morning:

0:33:470:33:50

Theresa May is due to meet her

Brexit cabinet today to discuss

0:33:500:33:53

for the first time what the UK's

future relationship

0:33:530:33:55

with the EU should be.

0:33:550:33:56

The PM will later tell MPs the UK

wants to sign trade deals

0:33:560:33:59

during a transition period.

0:33:590:34:01

EU leaders have agreed talks

can move on, including

0:34:010:34:04

to discuss a transition deal

for a post-Brexit period.

0:34:040:34:07

Labour has raised concerns

that trade may not be

0:34:070:34:09

discussed for months.

0:34:090:34:14

Police in Beirut say they have

arrested a suspect as part

0:34:140:34:16

of the investigation into the murder

of a British embassy worker

0:34:160:34:19

whose body was found

by the side of a motorway.

0:34:190:34:24

Rebecca Dykes was working

in the capital city

0:34:240:34:26

of Beirut for the Department

for International Development.

0:34:260:34:28

It is thought she had been abducted

and strangled after leaving a party.

0:34:280:34:34

Tens of thousands of people may be

at increased risk of dying early

0:34:340:34:38

from heart attacks and strokes

by misusing anabolic steroids,

0:34:380:34:40

according to doctors.

0:34:400:34:41

The British Cardiovascular Society

gave the warning amid concern

0:34:410:34:43

steroids are now being taken

by hundreds of thousands of people.

0:34:430:34:45

Public health experts say men

in their teens and 20s

0:34:450:34:48

are behind the rise.

0:34:480:34:54

This programme has been told that

sexual abuse and harassment

0:34:540:34:56

in the music industry are "endemic".

0:34:560:34:58

Four women have spoken

about the serious assaults and rape

0:34:580:35:01

they suffered at the hands

of powerful men in the industry.

0:35:010:35:06

One singer has spoken

about being groomed by her manager

0:35:060:35:08

at one of the biggest music

companies in the UK

0:35:080:35:11

when she was just 15 years old.

0:35:110:35:15

The four time Olympic champion,

Sir Mo Farah, has won this year's

0:35:150:35:18

BBC Sports Personality of the Year.

0:35:180:35:19

Motorcyclist Jonathan Rea

was second, and paralympic sprinter,

0:35:190:35:21

Jonnie Peacock, was third.

0:35:210:35:22

The pre-award favourite,

heavyweight world champ

0:35:220:35:24

Anthony Joshua finished

in fourth place.

0:35:240:35:25

But the result wasn't

the only unexpected event.

0:35:250:35:27

When Sir Mo's victory was announced,

the link to his location

0:35:270:35:33

in London went down.

0:35:330:35:35

Eventually the line

was established.

0:35:350:35:42

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:35:420:35:47

Here's some sport now

with Holly Hamilton.

0:35:470:35:50

good morning.

0:35:500:35:52

Coming up in sport -

Australia crush England in the third

0:35:520:35:54

Test at the Waca to wrap up

the Ashes Series 3-0.

0:35:540:35:57

England needed to bat throughout

the final day of the third Test

0:35:570:36:00

in Perth to force a draw -

and keep the series alive.

0:36:000:36:03

But they lost the game

by an innings and 41 runs.

0:36:030:36:05

Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers

says their 69-game unbeaten domestic

0:36:050:36:09

run may never be surpassed

by another team after his side

0:36:090:36:12

were thrashed 4-0 at Hearts.

0:36:120:36:18

Manchester United manager

Jose Mourinho says his side

0:36:180:36:20

will "fight until the last match"

after they moved back to within 11

0:36:200:36:23

points of Premier League leaders

Manchester City by beating West Brom

0:36:230:36:26

2-1.

0:36:260:36:29

And European Champions Saracens look

like they'll now need

0:36:290:36:33

to try to reach the quarterfinals

as one of three best Pool runners-up

0:36:330:36:37

after losing 24-21 to group leaders

Clemont Auvergne in France.

0:36:370:36:44

More on all of those stories and

reaction to the Ashes result coming

0:36:440:36:48

up at ten o'clock. STUDIO: Holly,

thank you.

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Theresa May is meeting

her Brexit cabinet -

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about a dozen of her most senior

ministers - right now,

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to discuss for the first time

what the UK's future relationship

0:36:590:37:02

with the EU should be.

0:37:020:37:03

What kind of reception will she get

from a cabinet which appears

0:37:030:37:06

to contain some

splits on the issue?

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That is a slight understatement!

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Let's talk to Anushka Asthana,

the joint political

0:37:090:37:11

editor of The Guardian.

0:37:110:37:12

Hugh Bennett is Deputy Editor

at BrexitCentral and a veteran

0:37:120:37:14

of the Vote Leave campaign.

0:37:140:37:19

Dr Simon Usherwood is a politics

lecturer and deputy director of UK

0:37:190:37:21

in a Changing Europe,

a group of academics who do

0:37:210:37:24

independent analysis of the UK's

relationship with the EU.

0:37:240:37:29

So, she has to get her cabinet to

agree to a united position, how

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tricky is that going to be?

I do not

think she will find it hard to get

0:37:340:37:38

them to a united position on what

their opening negotiation position

0:37:380:37:43

should be on the final trading

outcome. Basically, most of the

0:37:430:37:49

Cabinet will swing behind the Canada

plus plus plus agreement he called

0:37:490:37:56

it, an agreement with other services

added in. They agreed that is where

0:37:560:37:59

they should be aiming. There are

varied opinions on how realistic

0:37:590:38:04

that is and where we will land at

the end but there is a sticking

0:38:040:38:07

point over the question of

transition. Theresa May and Philip

0:38:070:38:11

Hammond have basically put out the

argument that things will stay the

0:38:110:38:14

same. After March 2019, things will

ultimately stay the same, or we will

0:38:140:38:20

lose our seat. Michael Gove

definitely does not agree, he thinks

0:38:200:38:24

there are particular things that

will come out, like the fisheries

0:38:240:38:28

policy, during transition. But a

sticking point.

And you mean the

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same rules and regulations that we,

as a member, followed now. And also

0:38:330:38:37

freedom of freedom of movement of

people?

They talk about having the

0:38:370:38:42

same level of market access that

we've got now. How will you achieve

0:38:420:38:45

that? By following EU rules. There

will be a change in the registration

0:38:450:38:50

system that they will not ultimately

be bringing in their new immigration

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system until transition.

And you

probably read Boris Johnson's

0:38:540:39:01

interview yesterday, Hugh, he said

that we need to do something new and

0:39:010:39:03

ambitious that leaves zero tariffs

and frictionless trade but still

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gives important freedom to decide

our own regulatory framework and

0:39:070:39:10

laws. Can we stay aligned with some

bits of the EU, and still strike

0:39:100:39:17

free trade deals with other

countries?

It depends on the terms

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of the deal that we agree. The thing

the UK has to be careful of is not

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getting locked into legally binding

treaties, which forces alignment on

0:39:270:39:32

issues. Of course, we will not

diverged dramatically overnight from

0:39:320:39:36

the EU regulations, there are some

areas where the government, as

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Theresa May said in her Florence

Beach, there are some areas where a

0:39:390:39:44

higher degree of alignment is better

but other areas where it is more in

0:39:440:39:47

our interest to divert but the key

is not getting locked in because we

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do get locked in with some of these

things, particularly things like

0:39:530:39:55

agriculture which is a big part of

EU law, but also a big part of trade

0:39:550:39:59

deals done around the world. If we

are bound to follow EU agriculture

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laws to closely it can harm our

ability to do proper trade deals

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with others around the world.

If

Britain diverged totally, Simon,

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with they impose tariffs and other

barriers?

The question is, does it

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diverged from the framework that

you've got? The EU would like to

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keep us close in alignment, but any

divergences raises questions of what

0:40:270:40:32

sanctions or penalties the EU could

impose. You have real tension

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between wanting to have flexibility

but also not wanting to impose

0:40:360:40:39

barriers with your existing

relations. The balance of that, I

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think, is something that is not

clear how you make it work, I knew

0:40:430:40:47

the site. They both say that they

want a good and close relationship

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but how you make that work in

practice, I think, really is not

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clear.

What is the reaction to the

EU's chief negotiator on Brexit,

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Michel Barnier, saying in an

interview that there will not be a

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bespoke deal for Britain, and that

is not what Britain once?

The

0:41:040:41:09

reaction to that is, hang on, that

is their negotiating position, we

0:41:090:41:13

have ours, we do not assume that is

the outcome but a lot of experts

0:41:130:41:18

would say, who knew that we would be

talking about regulator Lou

0:41:180:41:21

alignment for a couple of years? But

many would see it is hard to break

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away from a deal -- regulatory

alignment for a couple of years? Do

0:41:280:41:30

we want an economy like Norway or

one like Canada? When you get to

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that point, there are divisions

across Parliament and also within

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the Conservative Party.

What will

the next couple of years be like, in

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till March 2019? It will feel like

ten years!

Judging from negotiation

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so far it will feel like there is a

lot going on but the next key battle

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is the transition. As for the EU

wants to talk about next. Obviously,

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Theresa May has competing interests,

Brexiteers are slightly

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uncomfortable about the idea that

transition is just going to be

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staying in the customs union or the

single market.

How do you feel about

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that? I don't think it is ideal but

it does look like we are going to go

0:42:130:42:22

down that route.

I think the most

important thing is to secure these

0:42:220:42:26

concessions that she is talking

about and we are expecting her to

0:42:260:42:30

talk about later today in the

Commons. In securing an ability for

0:42:300:42:34

Britain to sign trade deals in this

period. Michael Gove wants to come

0:42:340:42:39

out the common fisheries policy, we

may not be able to get a different

0:42:390:42:43

agreement on the overall

architecture of the transition

0:42:430:42:45

period. But on things that are not

essential, like frictionless trade

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in the transitional period, that's

the approach. In trade deals with

0:42:500:42:56

other countries, I think it might be

symbolic rather than substantive,

0:42:560:43:01

these are complicated deals. A lot

of other countries will not want to

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conclude a deal until we know what

the relationship with the EU is. We

0:43:040:43:11

will see a lot of debate in the

remainder of these negotiations

0:43:110:43:15

about what is actually meaningful

and what might be more about things

0:43:150:43:21

to take home and show that we have

won a victory in negotiations. There

0:43:210:43:26

is still a lot on the table, despite

what we've agreed last week.

OK,

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thank you all. Thank you for coming

in. We appreciate it.

0:43:310:43:38

Coming up, we speak

to the 22-year-old student whose

0:43:380:43:40

rape trial collapsed

after detectives failed

0:43:400:43:41

to disclose vital evidence.

0:43:410:43:45

Liam Allan on this

programme after 10.30.

0:43:450:43:50

He is here with his mum.

0:43:500:43:52

Tens of thousands of people may be

putting themselves at increased risk

0:43:520:43:55

of dying early from heart attacks

and strokes because they're

0:43:550:43:58

mis-using anabolic steroids.

0:43:580:44:01

British heart doctors have issued

the stark warning amid concern

0:44:010:44:05

steroids are now being used

by a growing number of people,

0:44:050:44:08

particularly young men,

in pursuit of what they see

0:44:080:44:10

as the perfect body.

0:44:100:44:13

Steroids are legal to use and legal

to possess across the UK -

0:44:130:44:16

but illegal to supply

unless you're a doctor.

0:44:160:44:18

Radio 1 Newsbeat's Daniel

Whitworth reports.

0:44:180:44:26

The way people chase the dream

of their perfect body is changing.

0:44:260:44:29

The pressure men are now facing

is similar to what women have had

0:44:290:44:32

to deal with for decades.

0:44:320:44:33

Diets, workouts, days

spent in the gym.

0:44:330:44:35

For many, young men especially,

anabolic steroids are being

0:44:350:44:37

increasingly used to help

achieve that dream.

0:44:370:44:44

In this film, I'm going to find out

from one user why he takes them

0:44:440:44:48

and put him through a series

of tests to see what damage,

0:44:480:44:51

if any, they have done to his body.

0:44:510:44:53

I'll hear from the experts,

look at the law surrounding

0:44:530:44:56

steroid use in the UK,

and speak to a dealer

0:44:560:44:58

about why he does it.

0:44:580:45:02

Gareth Jenkins, who's 29 and lives

just outside of Cardiff,

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is one of the estimated hundreds

of thousands of people who regularly

0:45:110:45:14

take anabolic steroids

to build muscle.

0:45:140:45:18

I've been using steroids

for about four, five years.

0:45:180:45:22

When you train naturally,

which I have done for number

0:45:220:45:24

of years before using

steroids, you tire quicker.

0:45:240:45:28

You ache more.

0:45:280:45:31

And obviously, when you use

the performance-enhancing drug

0:45:310:45:33

which is the steroid,

you don't come you don't have

0:45:330:45:36

those muscle soreness

anywhere near as much.

0:45:360:45:38

I feel more awake.

0:45:380:45:39

I feel better in myself.

0:45:390:45:40

I feel more manly.

0:45:400:45:41

I've got a higher sex drive.

0:45:410:45:45

There are some serious potential

risks you are running from a medical

0:45:450:45:48

perspective about using steroids,

things like increased

0:45:480:45:50

risk of heart attacks,

increased risk of strokes,

0:45:500:45:54

mood swings, infertility.

0:45:540:45:55

Do those things not worry you?

0:45:550:45:58

The way I look at it is, yes,

they do bother me, obviously,

0:45:580:46:00

but, like, everything...

0:46:000:46:02

So you're aware of the risks?

0:46:020:46:03

I'm fully aware.

0:46:030:46:04

And the consequences?

0:46:040:46:05

Fully aware, yeah.

0:46:050:46:06

I've done my research to see

obviously what harm or potential

0:46:060:46:09

harm it would have on me over

a prolonged period of time

0:46:090:46:12

if I was using them,

whether I was using them correctly

0:46:120:46:14

or incorrectly but the fact

of the matter is in terms

0:46:140:46:17

of the risks, is everything

that we do in life now carries

0:46:170:46:20

a risk of heart attack,

cancer, whatever it is.

0:46:200:46:23

So whatever it is, I'm going to get

those risks anyway so I choose not

0:46:230:46:27

to do certain things and I choose

this as my lifestyle instead.

0:46:270:46:30

So whereas I don't go out drinking

and smoking, I take steroids.

0:46:300:46:35

Steroids can cause health problems

because they create an imbalance

0:46:350:46:38

of hormones in the body which can

damage many organs but

0:46:380:46:41

especially the heart.

0:46:410:46:43

Garreth says he tries

to minimise any risk

0:46:430:46:45

by taking his steroids in cycles,

like 16 weeks on and

0:46:450:46:53

then eight weeks off.

0:46:530:46:54

There's two types of steroid.

0:46:540:46:55

There is one which comes

in a liquid form, which is

0:46:550:46:58

an intramuscular injection.

0:46:580:46:58

That is this type.

0:46:580:47:00

So you inject that?

0:47:000:47:01

I would inject this directly

into a muscle two times a week.

0:47:010:47:04

And then the other type

is in tablet form.

0:47:040:47:06

When I'm using this type

of steroid, I would use five

0:47:060:47:08

per day for seven days.

0:47:080:47:10

So basically, five

per day, every day.

0:47:100:47:12

So over the course of a period

of around six months

0:47:120:47:15

when you on steroids for that long,

roughly how much do

0:47:150:47:17

you think you spent?

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At a rough estimate,

probably with the cycle itself

0:47:210:47:23

and the post-course treatment,

would be about £500, I suspect.

0:47:230:47:25

That's a lot of money.

It is.

0:47:250:47:28

It's probably a lot less in six

months than somebody who is spending

0:47:280:47:31

it on drink on a weekend.

0:47:310:47:33

Worth it, do you think?

0:47:330:47:34

For me personally, yeah.

0:47:340:47:38

When it comes to the law

on anabolic steroids,

0:47:400:47:42

it is legal to use them and legal

to possess them right across the UK.

0:47:420:47:47

What is illegal, though,

is supplying them,

0:47:470:47:51

unless you are a doctor,

and that means either selling them

0:47:510:47:54

or just passing them on for free.

0:47:540:47:57

If caught, you could face up

to 14 years in prison.

0:47:570:48:00

Because Gareth is only

using steroids, not supplying them,

0:48:000:48:02

he's not in any trouble

with the law.

0:48:020:48:06

It could be a different story

with his health, though.

0:48:060:48:10

So later this week, he's agreed

to go to London for a series

0:48:100:48:13

of tests that will find out

what damage, if any,

0:48:130:48:15

he's done to his heart.

0:48:150:48:18

Keep your throat still.

0:48:180:48:22

I basically starting working out

because I was bullied really

0:48:220:48:25

bad when I was younger,

for being small and basically just

0:48:250:48:27

a feral child of the school.

0:48:270:48:32

So I just ended up locking

myself away in the gym,

0:48:320:48:35

training and getting

bigger and stronger.

0:48:350:48:37

Getting inked.

0:48:370:48:39

It all sort of fell into one big

procedure, that I seem to be

0:48:390:48:42

doing in a lifestyle

way, pretty much.

0:48:420:48:46

Yeah, in the middle

there is not nice.

0:48:460:48:49

The rest of it is fine so far.

0:48:490:48:50

So going down to London to have

all those tests done,

0:48:500:48:55

which I'm excited about,

to be honest with you,

0:48:550:48:57

yet slightly nervous

because obviously, it could come

0:48:570:49:00

back that there is something

significantly wrong and if I don't

0:49:000:49:03

change my lifestyle, then...

0:49:030:49:06

Obviously, I could

have health issues.

0:49:060:49:11

My prediction is that I think

I would be pretty stupid

0:49:110:49:16

if I thought that my heart wouldn't

have changed, you know,

0:49:160:49:21

four or five years, with the use

of any performance enhancing drug

0:49:210:49:24

that is anabolic, it is going

to have that effect.

0:49:240:49:27

So I think if it hasn't,

then what I have been taking is fake

0:49:270:49:30

and I've done it naturally.

0:49:300:49:32

So...

0:49:320:49:33

LAUGHTER.

0:49:330:49:36

And obviously, if it is significant,

there will be no doubt in my mind

0:49:360:49:39

that I will obviously

change my lifestyle overnight.

0:49:390:49:44

Whether people use or abuse anabolic

steroids is a matter of opinion.

0:49:440:49:48

For some in the medical world,

if steroids are not prescribed

0:49:480:49:51

by a doctor, then it is simple.

0:49:510:49:53

Taking them is of use.

0:49:530:49:58

-- abuse.

0:49:580:49:59

Many people who researched dosages

and try to minimise the risks,

0:49:590:50:02

though, would say they don't abuse

them but instead use them.

0:50:020:50:04

One thing that is widely agreed on,

though, is that the issue is now

0:50:040:50:08

affecting more people

than ever before.

0:50:080:50:11

We don't know the exact number

of anabolic steroid users

0:50:110:50:14

there are but it certainly measures

in the hundreds of thousands.

0:50:140:50:21

We are seeing now a different

population of users.

0:50:210:50:24

While we still have people

who are using them for the purpose

0:50:240:50:27

of body-building, we are seeing

a new population of predominantly

0:50:270:50:29

young males but also quite

older males as well,

0:50:290:50:31

who are using them purely

for cosmetic purposes.

0:50:310:50:38

There's a number of pressures

on young men and most

0:50:380:50:41

of these pressures

0:50:410:50:42

were not around a generation ago.

0:50:420:50:43

These are things like social media.

0:50:430:50:45

Mainstream advertising, even.

0:50:450:50:46

If ever you see a man with his shirt

off, then chances are they will have

0:50:460:50:49

quite a well-defined physique.

0:50:490:50:51

Again, males may not be geared up

to dealing with this.

0:50:510:50:54

This is something that

women have had to deal

0:50:540:50:58

with for generations, but this

is quite a new thing for men.

0:50:580:51:03

For Gareth, he is about to undergo

a series of tests which will check

0:51:030:51:07

what damage, if any,

he's done to his heart.

0:51:070:51:09

The person in charge is cardiology

doctor, Anil Malhotra.

0:51:090:51:14

We are going to do

three tests today.

0:51:140:51:16

Yeah.

0:51:160:51:17

The first is to look at

the electoral activity of the heart.

0:51:170:51:20

The second is to look

at the heart muscle itself.

0:51:200:51:22

Yeah.

0:51:220:51:23

And the third is to actually

exercise your heart and we will see

0:51:230:51:26

how you have performed.

0:51:260:51:27

Right.

0:51:270:51:28

Is that all right?

0:51:280:51:29

Yeah, no problem.

0:51:290:51:30

NHS guidelines say that

by taking anabolic steroids,

0:51:300:51:32

Gareth is risking side-effects

like infertility, mood swings

0:51:320:51:35

and even heart attack and stroke.

0:51:350:51:40

This is the sound of

the blood flowing across

0:51:400:51:43

the valves of your heart.

0:51:430:51:44

We are just assessing how quickly

the blood flows through the valve

0:51:440:51:47

and we are able to see

whether there is any

0:51:470:51:49

narrowing of the valve

or any leakages as well.

0:51:490:51:54

I suspect that they will show

some form of thickness

0:51:540:51:59

or abnormality to the heart.

0:51:590:52:01

It is bound to have changed

in some way after four

0:52:010:52:04

or five years of taking

a performance enhancing drug.

0:52:040:52:07

The British cardiovascular Society

says tens of thousands of people

0:52:070:52:10

could be putting themselves

at increased risks of the most

0:52:100:52:14

serious side-effects

by taking anabolic steroids.

0:52:140:52:20

I am cycling towards a cheesecake.

0:52:200:52:22

And I'll get there!

0:52:220:52:25

Billionaire's cheesecake

on the horizon.

0:52:250:52:27

Let's get there.

0:52:270:52:33

After pushing himself to the limit,

Gareth will be able to find out

0:52:330:52:36

how his heart has performed

and what effect his

0:52:360:52:38

steroid users had.

0:52:380:52:39

With hundreds of thousands of people

now thought to be taking

0:52:410:52:44

steroids every year,

right across the UK,

0:52:440:52:47

clearly they are getting

them from somewhere.

0:52:470:52:49

But government figures show that

for the whole of 2015 and 2016,

0:52:490:52:54

right across England and Wales,

there were just 25 convictions

0:52:540:52:59

relating to the illegal supply

of steroids and just seven of those

0:52:590:53:02

ended with a prison sentence.

0:53:020:53:06

So for this man, who spoke

on condition of anonymity,

0:53:060:53:10

the law hasn't come close

to stopping him from dealing.

0:53:100:53:14

We know you supply steroids.

0:53:140:53:20

We know you're a steroid dealer.

0:53:200:53:22

Obviously, it is illegal.

0:53:220:53:23

You are breaking the law.

0:53:230:53:24

A lot of people say

you are putting people's

0:53:240:53:26

lives, their health,

certainly, at risk.

0:53:260:53:27

What do you say to that?

0:53:270:53:29

To start off with the health risks,

I think steroids are readily

0:53:290:53:32

available to anyone who wants

to access them at the moment.

0:53:320:53:39

I like to see myself

as more of somebody

0:53:390:53:41

who provides information.

0:53:410:53:42

You know, to ensure

people can do it safely.

0:53:420:53:45

Look, people are going to use them

regardless of whether they buy them

0:53:450:53:48

from me or whether they buy them

from an unknown source online.

0:53:480:53:50

But if they can talk

to me about it, then,

0:53:500:53:53

how to inject themselves safely,

or look at dosages or if I can help

0:53:530:53:56

them, even if not to take steroids,

if I don't think it is appropriate

0:53:560:54:00

for them, then I will.

0:54:000:54:01

That is the reason I try to, that is

the reason I'm involved in it.

0:54:010:54:04

Who are the types of people

getting them from you?

0:54:040:54:07

Who is coming to you

for these steroids?

0:54:070:54:09

There's a very broad spectrum

of people that use steroids.

0:54:090:54:11

It ranges from young guys,

18 years old, 19, 20,

0:54:110:54:13

who are just starting out

in their training and they are

0:54:130:54:16

looking to bulk up for maybe

a summer holiday or to look good.

0:54:160:54:19

For a summer holiday?

0:54:190:54:20

For a summer holiday or they just

want to attract the girls.

0:54:200:54:23

They want to go out on a night out

and attract the girls.

0:54:230:54:26

These are the guys

that are less aware.

0:54:260:54:28

These are the guys you have

to be more informative

0:54:280:54:31

when you talk to them about it,

make them more aware

0:54:310:54:33

of the risks and dangers.

0:54:330:54:34

If you go to an Instagram

page and there is a guy

0:54:340:54:37

on there who looks a certain way

and he has got 300,000 likes,

0:54:370:54:40

women commenting on him,

saying, "You look amazing,

0:54:400:54:42

you look this or that".

0:54:420:54:44

Because he's well built?

0:54:440:54:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the guys

are going, "Oh, you look really

0:54:450:54:48

buff, your arms are huge",

all that sort of stuff.

0:54:480:54:50

They're the comments that

you will see and these young guys

0:54:500:54:53

feel pressured to try to strive

to achieve that.

0:54:530:54:55

Even ten years ago, before

social media was around,

0:54:550:54:57

you were only judged by your peers,

the people that you

0:54:570:55:00

knew and that he met.

0:55:000:55:01

What about the health

of the people who you are

0:55:010:55:03

supplying these drugs do?

0:55:030:55:04

They convey things like infertility,

mood swings, they can

0:55:040:55:06

face getting strokes,

decades earlier than the average

0:55:060:55:08

am a heart attacks.

0:55:080:55:09

It is illegal for a reason.

0:55:090:55:11

Yeah.

0:55:110:55:12

But I don't agree with it

being illegal because I will tell

0:55:120:55:15

you that doctors prescribed

testosterone to people.

0:55:150:55:16

So there's a reason...

0:55:160:55:18

You are not a doctor.

0:55:180:55:20

No, no, I'm saying that doctors

prescribe it so steroids

0:55:200:55:23

or testosterone in this example,

if it was killing people left,

0:55:230:55:26

right and centre, they would not be

prescribing it and I think

0:55:260:55:29

the media sensationalises it.

0:55:290:55:31

I'm going to tell you now,

there are people that abuse steroids

0:55:310:55:34

and they do damage their health

and that is their choice.

0:55:340:55:39

One man who is all too aware

of the risks of taking steroids

0:55:390:55:44

he has got on the black market

is Gareth and after using them

0:55:440:55:46

for nearly five years,

he is about to find out the effect

0:55:460:55:49

they have had on his heart.

0:55:490:55:51

Take a seat.

0:55:510:55:53

We can go over your results.

0:55:530:55:57

So I have got your ECG tracing

and I have seen your Echo report

0:55:570:56:00

and the reports from the exercise

test as well.

0:56:000:56:03

Yeah, yeah.

0:56:030:56:04

What it shows is that your

heart is working well.

0:56:040:56:07

Right.

0:56:070:56:09

And that's...

0:56:090:56:17

You have come through your

exercise test well as well.

0:56:170:56:19

Yeah.

0:56:190:56:20

But we do think that

you are at the upper limit of normal

0:56:200:56:23

in terms of the thickness

of the wall of your heart

0:56:230:56:26

and that is most likely due

to your weightlifting

0:56:260:56:28

and your steroid use.

0:56:280:56:29

Yeah.

0:56:290:56:30

You are still young and you have not

been using steroids for that long

0:56:300:56:33

but if one does continue to do so,

then you are putting yourself

0:56:330:56:37

at increased risk of heart attacks

and potentially strokes as well.

0:56:370:56:39

Yeah.

0:56:390:56:40

You know, steroid use has a variety

of bad effects on the heart.

0:56:400:56:45

I class myself as quite

a sensible person.

0:56:450:56:50

Taking my own health

into account that it

0:56:500:56:51

will just be sensible,

being the key word, do not push

0:56:510:56:54

the boundary to the point

where something is not reversible.

0:56:540:56:59

So to not keep using steroids?

0:56:590:57:00

To not keep using steroids, yeah.

0:57:000:57:02

All for the better.

0:57:020:57:03

Cheaper, too!

0:57:030:57:06

It looks like Gareth's steroid days

might be numbered but he is just one

0:57:060:57:10

of hundreds of thousands of users.

0:57:100:57:12

Dealers are unlikely to get caught.

0:57:120:57:13

The number of convictions

for supply is low.

0:57:130:57:15

Doctors want change.

0:57:150:57:25

Worried about potential long-term

health problems for users.

0:57:250:57:27

So is change on the way?

0:57:270:57:28

Well, we do know that the group that

advises the government on drug

0:57:280:57:32

misuse is in the middle of a big

review into steroids.

0:57:320:57:34

We don't know yet what

it is going to say.

0:57:340:57:37

Much more on that to come on radio 1

newsbeat and you can read about it

0:57:370:57:41

on the site bbc.co.uk/newsbeat.

0:57:410:57:45

Latest news and sport at ten.

Now Matt

0:57:490:57:52

Latest news and sport at ten.

Now Matt with the weather. Good

0:57:520:57:53

morning. A big travel week for many.

The weather may play a part. This

0:57:530:58:02

morning there was some mist and fog

around Glasgow, Manchester and

0:58:020:58:05

Birmingham. For most, the start of

the working week looks like this.

0:58:050:58:10

Frost on the ground, sunny skies

overhead. For most, the Sunnis guys

0:58:100:58:15

will last all day. Thicker cloud for

the far north of Scotland. Here is

0:58:150:58:22

where it will be a great day.

Elsewhere, barely a breath of wind.

0:58:220:58:28

That means the fog will be slowly

shifting. Sunny skies throughout.

0:58:280:58:38

Temperatures only slowly lifting.

Still a little on the chilly side

0:58:380:58:42

today in the north and east. In the

West, temperatures will climb.

0:58:420:58:48

Particularly across the Hebrides. 10

degrees in Stornoway. The wind,

0:58:480:58:51

cloud and occasional rain is the

price to pay. Sitting on the hills

0:58:510:59:00

of northern Ireland and Scotland,

some fog. A widespread -- widespread

0:59:000:59:07

frost in southern England. If you

are on the move tomorrow morning,

0:59:070:59:11

there could be some problems on the

roads. Also at the airports.

0:59:110:59:16

Particularly the Midlands, East

Anglia and the South of England.

0:59:160:59:20

Dense and widespread fog throughout

the rush hour. That will be slow to

0:59:200:59:24

shift. It could affect some major

airports. Check with your travel

0:59:240:59:28

company before you head out. That

fog will linger for a good part of

0:59:280:59:32

the day. There will be some good

sunny breaks. Sunshine breaking

0:59:320:59:37

through the cloud for north-east

Scotland. Part of Antrim, north-east

0:59:370:59:42

England, too. Otherwise, cloudier in

the West. Patchy rain or drizzle on

0:59:420:59:46

the hills. If you do get the

sunshine, 14, 15 degrees possible in

0:59:460:59:51

the Moray Firth. Three or 4 degrees

were the fog lingers. Into Tuesday

0:59:511:00:00

night, the rain spreads across

Scotland and Northern Ireland,

1:00:001:00:04

allowing clearer conditions and

brighter weather for the middle part

1:00:041:00:06

of the week. Freddie Gray in England

and Wales. Not a huge amount of

1:00:061:00:13

sunshine. Dense fog here and there.

Overall it will be a mild day.

1:00:131:00:18

Patchy rain and drizzle into

Northern England, North and West

1:00:181:00:22

Wales. This week and not a huge

amount of rain. If you are on the

1:00:221:00:26

move, keep across the forecast.

Light winds could lead to some dense

1:00:261:00:30

fog.

1:00:301:00:31

Hello, it's Monday,

it's ten o'clock.

1:00:351:00:37

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:00:371:00:39

This morning: claims that sexual

abuse and harassment is "endemic"

1:00:391:00:41

in the music industry,

with "dangerous men"

1:00:411:00:43

abusing their power.

1:00:431:00:51

Young women are being sexually

assaulted. Still, today. There are

1:00:511:00:57

some very dangerous men in this

business.

Right at the top?

Yes.

1:00:571:01:02

Currently?

Yes.

We hear stories from

other women in the industry.

1:01:021:01:12

And - after a 22-year-old student's

rape trial collapsed

1:01:121:01:14

after detectives failed

to disclose vital evidence.

1:01:141:01:19

Text and WhatsApp messages that

proved his innocence, he tells the

1:01:191:01:23

programme that he wants an apology.

We will hear from Liam Allan after

1:01:231:01:27

10:30am.

1:01:271:01:30

Also on the programme -

he was one of the last men

1:01:301:01:33

to be hanged in Britain,

convicted of murdering a man who had

1:01:331:01:36

been his best friend,

but was Gwynne Owen Evans a victim

1:01:361:01:38

of a miscarriage of justice?

1:01:381:01:39

We will bring the story in the next

30 minutes.

1:01:391:01:44

Time for the latest

news with Annita.

1:01:441:01:49

Theresa May is due to meet her

Brexit cabinet today to discuss

1:01:491:01:52

for the first time what the UK's

future relationship

1:01:521:01:54

with the EU should be.

1:01:541:02:00

The PM will later tell MPs the UK

wants to sign trade deals

1:02:001:02:03

during a transition period.

1:02:031:02:04

EU leaders have agreed talks

can move on, including

1:02:041:02:06

to discuss a transition deal

for a post-Brexit period.

1:02:061:02:08

Labour has raised concerns

that trade may not be

1:02:081:02:18

discussed for months.

1:02:201:02:21

Police in Beirut say they have

arrested a suspect as part

1:02:211:02:24

of the investigation into the murder

of a British embassy worker

1:02:241:02:27

whose body was found

by the side of a motorway.

1:02:271:02:29

Rebecca Dykes was working

in the capital city

1:02:291:02:31

of Beirut for the Department

for International Development.

1:02:311:02:33

It is thought she had been abducted

and strangled after leaving a party.

1:02:331:02:36

Tens of thousands of people may be

at increased risk of dying early

1:02:361:02:39

from heart attacks and strokes

by misusing anabolic steroids,

1:02:391:02:41

according to doctors.

1:02:411:02:50

The British Cardiovascular Society

gave the warning amid concern

1:02:501:02:52

steroids are now being taken

by hundreds of thousands of people.

1:02:521:02:54

Public health experts say men

in their teens and 20s

1:02:541:02:57

are behind the rise.

1:02:571:03:00

This programme has been told that

sexual abuse and harassment

1:03:001:03:02

in the music industry are "endemic".

1:03:021:03:04

Four women have spoken

about the serious assaults and rape

1:03:041:03:06

they suffered at the hands

of powerful men in the industry.

1:03:061:03:09

One singer has spoken

about being groomed by her manager

1:03:091:03:12

at one of the biggest music

companies in the UK

1:03:121:03:14

when she was just 15 years old.

1:03:141:03:24

The family of a taxi driver

who was among six people killed

1:03:241:03:27

in a road accident in Birmingham

yesterday, have described him

1:03:271:03:29

as "happy" and "loving".

1:03:291:03:30

Imtiaz Mohammed and his two

passengers all died,

1:03:301:03:32

alongside three men in another car.

1:03:321:03:33

Crash investigators

are trying to piece together

1:03:331:03:35

what caused the pile-up.

1:03:351:03:41

Two adults and a child being treated

in hospital after a fire broke out

1:03:411:03:46

at a 5-star hotel on the banks of

Loch Lomond. 12 appliances are at

1:03:461:03:50

the scene and crews are in the

building, fighting the blaze. That's

1:03:501:03:54

the summary of the latest BBC News,

more at half past ten.

1:03:541:03:59

Some breaking news, the Queen has

approved the nomination of the Right

1:03:591:04:04

Reverend Sarah Mullally as the new

Bishop of London. Downing Street

1:04:041:04:09

have just announced that, that makes

her the most senior woman in the

1:04:091:04:12

church. Our religious affairs

correspondent Martin Bashir is here,

1:04:121:04:16

tell us about this woman and why it

is so historic?

A historic moment

1:04:161:04:22

for women, 25 years after the first

woman priest, when the General Synod

1:04:221:04:28

announced in 1992 that women could

become priests, a woman has risen to

1:04:281:04:32

what people describe as the holy

trinity of the hierarchy of the

1:04:321:04:35

Church of England. Sarah Mullally

has been appointed this morning, the

1:04:351:04:41

announcement was made by Downing

Street. She is a former nurse, and

1:04:411:04:46

she rose to become the director of

nursing in the Department of Health

1:04:461:04:50

in 1999. She is actually, she

actually had a formidable career in

1:04:501:04:57

the NHS and decided to train

part-time theologically, she did it

1:04:571:05:00

in her own time and was ordained in

2001. She continued to practice in

1:05:001:05:06

the Department of Health but also

part-time in the church. Eventually

1:05:061:05:10

went full-time in 2004. She was

appointed Bishop of credit and just

1:05:101:05:16

in 2015. It's a meteoric rise but

hugely significant for issues of

1:05:161:05:21

equality within the Church of

England.

What do we know about her

1:05:211:05:26

views on controversial issues like

gay marriage, for example?

She has

1:05:261:05:32

not publicly expressed a view that

is different to the Church of

1:05:321:05:35

England. She has been on the

National safeguarding steering group

1:05:351:05:40

which, as you know, has been

responsible for looking at the

1:05:401:05:43

church's management of child sexual

abuse and on Friday I reported a

1:05:431:05:48

situation involving Bishop George

Bell, who was wrongly accused

1:05:481:05:54

posthumously of abuse and the church

had to make an apology. She is on

1:05:541:05:57

the steering group. When you become

Bishop of London, you also receive

1:05:571:06:03

the title of Dean of the Chapels

Royal, they are unique institutions

1:06:031:06:09

which do not have a Bishop

overseeing them but the moniker. St

1:06:091:06:13

George 's Chapel in Windsor and

Westminster Abbey. We know that in

1:06:131:06:19

May that is going to be a rather

special wedding and it might be

1:06:191:06:23

possible, I'm not certain, but it

may be possible that she presides at

1:06:231:06:27

the wedding of Prince Harry to

Meghan Markle. That would be a

1:06:271:06:31

hugely significant event or so.

Martin, thank you. Let me read you

1:06:311:06:36

some comments which have come in

from you, having watched our film

1:06:361:06:40

about claims of sexual abuse and

harassment within the music

1:06:401:06:43

industry. Our investigation has

effectively shown that kind of

1:06:431:06:49

behaviour is endemic. April on

Twitter said, if we all shared our

1:06:491:06:53

experiences of the music industry

online, most of my female friends

1:06:531:06:57

would be sued. It is endemic. Those

attackers believe that they are

1:06:571:07:02

untouchable. Gordon, on Twitter,

says that he is sickened by what you

1:07:021:07:05

have discovered in the music

industry. The dark side. Nick says,

1:07:051:07:12

trust me, it isn't just women being

raped by men, myself and my old lead

1:07:121:07:16

guitarist were forced into a sexual

situation with a 45-year-old woman

1:07:161:07:20

to get an interview with a label.

She plied us with cannabis and

1:07:201:07:24

alcohol. Until we were not

ourselves. If you are getting in

1:07:241:07:31

touch with those, you are welcome.

If you prefer, you can remain

1:07:311:07:35

anonymous.

Use the hashtag or send us an e-mail

1:07:351:07:38

or use WhatsApp, or you can leave us

a message on

1:07:381:07:41

Here's some sport now

with Holly Hamilton.

1:07:411:07:44

The bringer of bad news, I am

afraid!

1:07:441:07:46

Australia have crushed England

in the third Test at the Waca

1:07:461:07:49

to wrap up the Ashes Series 3-0.

1:07:491:07:51

The visitors needed to bat

throughout the final day

1:07:511:07:53

of the third Test in Perth to force

a draw - and keep the series alive.

1:07:531:07:57

But they lost their remaining

six wickets in 34 overs

1:07:571:07:59

to be bowled out for 218.

1:07:591:08:00

They lost the game by

an innings and 41 runs.

1:08:001:08:03

Captain Joe Root admits the result

is "hard to take" but they'd carry

1:08:031:08:06

on fighting in the two remaining

Tests.

1:08:061:08:13

It is bitterly disappointing. One of

the most frustrating things is that

1:08:131:08:17

we haven't been blown away. We have

not been completely outplayed. We

1:08:171:08:22

have put up some really good

performances, just not for long

1:08:221:08:26

enough, as simple as that, really.

In all three games there have been

1:08:261:08:30

periods when we have matched and

outplayed Australia put those key

1:08:301:08:34

moments within the game, credit to

the guys on this side, they have

1:08:341:08:41

grasped bows and driven home. We

will learn from that and make sure

1:08:411:08:45

in these last two games, it is

1:08:451:08:49

us but does it.

It has been an

amazing couple of weeks. I have

1:08:491:08:52

really enjoyed every moment of it.

We have put in so much hard work

1:08:521:09:00

that the preparation and everything

that has come with the series, it

1:09:001:09:03

has been huge. We've been able to

get that back. All of the emotions

1:09:031:09:12

came out at once, I am so pleased

and happy for the group.

1:09:121:09:25

So a bitter pill for

England to swallow -

1:09:251:09:27

I think Joe Root's face says

it all there..

1:09:271:09:30

England will have to dust themselves

off now and come back strong -

1:09:301:09:33

still two tests to go Victoria.

1:09:331:09:34

Thank you. Good morning.

1:09:341:09:40

A group of women working across the

music industry have told us that

1:09:401:09:44

sexual harassment is prominent. We

have heard from artists and

1:09:441:09:47

musicians, as well as women working

for music companies who have

1:09:471:09:51

recounted incidents of serious abuse

and assault. Some are collecting

1:09:511:09:55

evidence and to uncover how

widespread this behaviour is within

1:09:551:09:58

the sector. Reggie McKenzie has

shown some of those stories. Before

1:09:581:10:06

we show this film, we should say

that it does contain graphic sexual

1:10:061:10:11

descriptions. -- Jean McKenzie.

1:10:111:10:19

When Amy was 15, she was contacted

by a manager from one of the UK's

1:10:191:10:22

largest music companies.

1:10:221:10:23

They started working together

and she quickly became

1:10:231:10:25

a successful artist.

1:10:251:10:26

Soon after, she says,

everything went wrong.

1:10:261:10:28

He told me that he was in love

with me and that if I didn't agree

1:10:281:10:32

to be his girlfriend,

then he would ruin my career.

1:10:321:10:34

Over the next two years,

he continued to blackmail me

1:10:341:10:37

and threatened me to be

in a relationship.

1:10:371:10:41

What sort of things did he say

to you to make you stay with him?

1:10:411:10:45

He convinced me that he was the only

reason I was having any success

1:10:451:10:48

and that if I told anybody,

that success would go away.

1:10:481:10:53

For Chloe Howe, success also

came at a young age,

1:10:531:11:00

after being signed at just 16.

1:11:001:11:03

She says that while she has

experienced serious harassment,

1:11:031:11:06

she knows girls who have

had far worse.

1:11:061:11:09

I know girls who have been raped

and it is always a man in power

1:11:091:11:13

and a girl on the rise who needs

as much support as possible,

1:11:131:11:16

whose career hasn't started yet.

1:11:161:11:23

Yasmin is a music manager and last

month, frustrated by the amount

1:11:231:11:27

of harassment she had seen

and experienced in the industry,

1:11:271:11:29

she put out a call asking women

to come forward with their stories.

1:11:291:11:36

What I have found is that I'm

getting less stories of sexual

1:11:361:11:39

harassment and innuendo and more

stories of serious sexual assault,

1:11:391:11:43

more rape stories that

I could possibly have imagined.

1:11:431:11:49

This has encouraged

Michelle to speak out

1:11:491:11:51

after more than 20 years.

1:11:511:11:55

While working for a major

music company in her 20s,

1:11:551:11:58

she says a more senior colleague

repeatedly assaulted her.

1:11:581:12:04

One day, I was with a girl

in the office and we were told,

1:12:041:12:07

could we go and see him after work?

1:12:071:12:09

So we went up to his office and then

he turned around to us both,

1:12:091:12:13

took out his penis and said,

"I want to have a threesome with

1:12:131:12:16

you, come on girls, let's do it".

1:12:161:12:20

We went to a lawyer

and we were categorically told

1:12:201:12:23

that he had committed

a serious crime.

1:12:231:12:25

But the lawyer said,

"If you report this, you will never

1:12:251:12:28

work in the industry again".

1:12:281:12:34

Why have you decided

to finally speak about

1:12:341:12:36

what has happened to you?

1:12:361:12:37

Because I never want it

to happen to anybody again.

1:12:371:12:39

Young women are being sexually

assaulted still today.

1:12:391:12:44

There are some very dangerous

men in this business.

1:12:441:12:47

Looking back, do you think

that he groomed you?

1:12:471:12:50

Yeah, I do think he groomed me.

1:12:501:12:53

I was 15 when we met

and he was looking online

1:12:531:12:56

for a girl to manage.

1:12:561:12:59

I have no doubt that there are

people working in the music industry

1:12:591:13:02

today who should be imprisoned.

1:13:021:13:03

Maybe some of the horrific things

they did were long time ago.

1:13:031:13:06

They have probably

forgotten about them.

1:13:061:13:08

But I can assure you that

their victims haven't.

1:13:081:13:14

Let's talk now to Yasmin Lajoie.

1:13:141:13:16

Isabelle Gutierrez is from

the Musicians' Union.

1:13:211:13:23

Since the Harvey Weinstein

allegations, they have set up

1:13:231:13:25

an anonymous reporting system,

and are gathering evidence

1:13:251:13:28

of the abuse that's

happening in the industry.

1:13:281:13:30

Diane Wagg is head of

the Music Managers Forum,

1:13:301:13:32

and a respected veteran music

manager in the industry.

1:13:321:13:34

And Helienne Lindvall

is a former singer, now

1:13:341:13:36

songwriter, and is the director

of the British Academy

1:13:361:13:38

of Songwriters.

1:13:381:13:40

Thank you for coming onto the

programme. What is your reaction to

1:13:401:13:45

what our investigation has

discovered?

It is horrendous. I

1:13:451:13:48

honestly cannot say that I am

surprised but it is so sad that this

1:13:481:13:51

is happening.

It is heartbreaking. I

thought that these stories came from

1:13:511:14:00

the 1980s and 1990s. It is shocking

to me, having been in the business

1:14:001:14:04

for many decades now, to hear this,

it is horrible.

I agree, and I think

1:14:041:14:12

they are very brave coming out and

speaking on camera. One of the big

1:14:121:14:18

reasons we are where we are is

because women are shamed into

1:14:181:14:22

silence a lot. I think a lot of

people, when they heard the Harvey

1:14:221:14:29

Weinstein thing, one of the things

in the tape with him, he was saying,

1:14:291:14:33

don't embarrass me. A lot of people

have been there in that situation.

1:14:331:14:38

You are trying to turn somebody

down, you don't want to offend them.

1:14:381:14:46

Because if you do...

That is what

Chloe was saying. You can flirt but

1:14:461:14:51

keep it light and Johnny without

hacking him. It is her career.

Yes.

1:14:511:15:01

-- and jolly. This is an e-mail from

someone who wishes to remain

1:15:011:15:04

anonymous.

I worked in the music

industry as a singer, I was

1:15:041:15:09

propositioned in my mid 20s by an

executive, he said if I slept with

1:15:091:15:13

him, I would get the record deal. I

didn't take up the offer and did not

1:15:131:15:21

get the record deal. Somebody had

taken my destiny in their hands and

1:15:211:15:25

manipulated it. I do wonder if

actually, because of the Internet,

1:15:251:15:29

anybody can put their name on -- put

their music online. More young

1:15:291:15:34

people can be targeted by predatory

men, in particular, in the music

1:15:341:15:37

industry?

1:15:371:15:41

I think that is correct. But it is

not just the music industry. We have

1:15:411:15:47

a problem with schoolchildren and

social media. We are all doing a lot

1:15:471:15:52

of work towards this. We were

actually addressing this before Me

1:15:521:16:00

Too and Harvey Weinstein. The good

thing is it has accelerated phase.

1:16:001:16:04

Everybody is talking about. We

represent over 500 music managers in

1:16:041:16:10

the UK. We have got a network of

about 2700 in America. We have a

1:16:101:16:15

code of practice. We have been

through it earlier this year with a

1:16:151:16:20

formal complaints procedure. We

offer advice. We have also published

1:16:201:16:28

a health and welfare guide. There is

a lot going on.

It is so clear, this

1:16:281:16:34

culture of silence. You have set up

this anonymous reporting system. But

1:16:341:16:42

people are still scared command

they?

They are. I think it is the

1:16:421:16:50

reason I would say the people have

come forward our two figures rather

1:16:501:16:55

than three figures. That barely

scratches the surface. We have gone

1:16:551:16:58

out of our way to say we will add

non-demise cases. If we have

1:16:581:17:03

somebody coming forward who doesn't

want their case talked about in an

1:17:031:17:07

anonymous fashion, we won't do that.

People are terrified about what will

1:17:071:17:14

happen to their careers.

On the

spectrum of the complaints you have

1:17:141:17:17

received, what sort of things are

people saying?

We were -- we have

1:17:171:17:23

had more on the harassment side than

some of the serious things we saw in

1:17:231:17:27

the film today. They are obviously

still incredibly serious cases. I

1:17:271:17:32

suspect that people who have these

truly horrendous stories to tell our

1:17:321:17:36

frightened to put it in an e-mail

form to anybody, even if it is an

1:17:361:17:40

Marmoz. We have been dealing with

cases like this from members for a

1:17:401:17:44

long time. But obviously it takes a

lot of guts to come forward with

1:17:441:17:50

something like that. The cases we

have dealt with in the past have

1:17:501:17:53

been the tip of the iceberg.

Some

more messages. When I was six I met

1:17:531:17:59

a very famous singer, who started

grooming me. And more importantly,

1:17:591:18:02

my mother, from the minute we met.

Jokes about, when you are for Dean,

1:18:021:18:09

I will marry you. And I was 11, he

sexually abused me. I screamed at my

1:18:091:18:14

mother that I never wanted to see

him again. I now have PTSD and I'm

1:18:141:18:21

freaking out about how to keep my

daughters safe. This is particularly

1:18:211:18:25

graphic, so if you have children,

you may not want them to listen to

1:18:251:18:28

this. When I was 14 I went to see my

favourite band with two school

1:18:281:18:33

friends. The lead singer of the

group would insist that I sit on his

1:18:331:18:37

lap. His Venus would press on me and

he would beg me for oral six before

1:18:371:18:41

we were collected. I heard from

other fans that he had six with

1:18:411:18:48

other teenagers and had passed

around sexually transmitted disease.

1:18:481:18:52

I never performed a six act on him.

He knew my age and he nicknamed me

1:18:521:18:56

jailbait.

See, one of the things

that is important, since this whole

1:18:561:19:05

Me Too campaign happened, I talked

to a lot of my male colleagues. I

1:19:051:19:14

get reactions from some male

colleagues who say, thank God these

1:19:141:19:17

people are now getting their

comeuppance. They say, I know there

1:19:171:19:23

are people shaking in their boots at

the moment. And good, because they

1:19:231:19:27

should. But then I get other people,

in particular some of the old school

1:19:271:19:31

people, who say, you have to

understand that there are young

1:19:311:19:38

girls throwing themselves at you.

What they need to understand what I

1:19:381:19:43

think is so important to have a code

of practice and to explain is the

1:19:431:19:48

reason that we have the laws that we

have about age of consent is that

1:19:481:19:53

these young girls do not understand

what they are, you know, that these

1:19:531:19:58

men are thinking that, you know, she

wants to have six with me. They say

1:19:581:20:04

that they might kind of like being

in the surroundings of somebody

1:20:041:20:07

famous, or that the parameters are

very different. It is the older

1:20:071:20:16

person that should refrain.

They

shouldn't break the law.

They

1:20:161:20:22

shouldn't break the law. We all know

stories about artists back when who

1:20:221:20:34

had 14-year-olds.

You sort of

thought those days had gone.

1:20:341:20:39

Absolutely. The other thing is that

the music managers are the only

1:20:391:20:43

people in the business who have a

duty of care. We think the whole

1:20:431:20:46

business should have a duty of care.

We also think that our artist should

1:20:461:20:50

be responsible towards their

audience. When I have a young male

1:20:501:20:57

band, and this doesn't relate

exclusively to women, we have a

1:20:571:21:01

diverse board and I have heard many

stories, but I always educate my new

1:21:011:21:08

artists in terms of how to behave

with young fans. They have a

1:21:081:21:12

responsibility.

We invited UK music,

which represents the industry, under

1:21:121:21:18

the programme but they were not able

to come. They say, UK music takes

1:21:181:21:23

any allegations very seriously and

will offer support to any

1:21:231:21:26

complainant to guide them towards

the help and advice they need. Any

1:21:261:21:30

form of abuse or harassment in the

music industry should never be

1:21:301:21:33

tolerated. The people who have got

in touch with us today with their

1:21:331:21:41

experiences, should they go to the

police?

I think in some cases they

1:21:411:21:47

should, absolutely. I equally

understand how somebody can feel

1:21:471:21:50

they couldn't. Obviously if we have

a member come to us with one of

1:21:501:21:57

these issues, we would guide them to

go to the police. Lots of people do

1:21:571:22:00

not feel they can. That is why we

opened up Aoun -- an anonymous way

1:22:001:22:06

of signposting something that has

happened to you. We have had people

1:22:061:22:09

who do not want their stories shared

but they have said if this

1:22:091:22:12

particular person gets named in

several e-mails, please come back to

1:22:121:22:16

me and perhaps at that point they

will feel... I can understand there

1:22:161:22:20

is safety in numbers sometimes.

I'm

from Sweden. And in Sweden it was

1:22:201:22:31

when the -- were the first Me Too

list for the music industry started.

1:22:311:22:37

One person is up on rape charges.

These are the most grave cases. It

1:22:371:22:43

is important that we address the

whole kind of spectrum. I think one

1:22:431:22:47

of the things that needs to be

understood is that in general, for

1:22:471:22:54

some men as well but more for young

women in the industry, and I'm not

1:22:541:23:00

talking just underage women, women

in their 20s or early 30s, we are in

1:23:001:23:06

a business where you have meetings

in unorthodox places. You meet

1:23:061:23:10

people on tour. You might have a

meeting in a hotel. You might have a

1:23:101:23:15

meeting over dinner. And in general,

if you are a male in the industry,

1:23:151:23:22

it doesn't even cross your mind that

you need to be careful in that

1:23:221:23:25

situation. But for women, this has

brought -- this is brought to --

1:23:251:23:33

back to me. When I look back, I have

just manoeuvred this my entire

1:23:331:23:37

career. Always when I am in a

situation along with a male, you

1:23:371:23:42

have to be careful. It's not right

and we need to do something about

1:23:421:23:47

it.

Thank you for coming in. Thank you.

1:23:471:23:59

Still to come...

1:23:591:24:00

Facebook has admitted for the first

time that social media can

1:24:001:24:03

harm mental health -

but are advising people

1:24:031:24:05

to improve their low mood by posting

more often.

1:24:051:24:12

Gwynne Owen Evans was one of

the last two men hanged in Britain.

1:24:141:24:19

A habitual liar convicted

of murdering a man who had been his

1:24:191:24:22

friend, and perhaps his lover.

1:24:221:24:24

But according to a leading criminal

lawyer, who has viewed documents

1:24:241:24:28

uncovered by the BBC,

he was the victim of

1:24:281:24:35

a miscarriage of justice.

1:24:351:24:36

Our reporter Sanchia Berg has been

investigating and joins us now.

1:24:361:24:42

Phil us in on the case?

Good

morning. This is the case of one of

1:24:421:24:48

the last two men hanged in Britain

in 1964. This is not the case that

1:24:481:24:52

has had the attention of Derek

Bentley, for example. It is not very

1:24:521:24:57

well-known. It was a pretty sordid

murder in Cumbria. A man was 53, who

1:24:571:25:03

was a friend of Gwynne Owen Evans,

almost certainly his gay lover, he

1:25:031:25:07

was murdered by Evans and by Peter

Allen. Evans always said that he

1:25:071:25:11

didn't actually hit his friend, that

it was Peter Allen who did the

1:25:111:25:17

hitting. But the two men were tried

together. The jury found them both

1:25:171:25:21

guilty. An appeal failed. Even

though Gwynne Owen Evans' mother

1:25:211:25:27

wrote to the Home Secretary saying

her son was mentally impaired and

1:25:271:25:31

that he had them under a doctor

since the age of eight, please spare

1:25:311:25:36

him, the doctors did not find that

his mental ability was substantially

1:25:361:25:39

impaired. And that is why the Home

Secretary, written in red ink on the

1:25:391:25:45

file, he says the law must take its

course. He couldn't find evidence

1:25:451:25:51

for a reprieve. But actually, going

through these medical reports,

1:25:511:25:54

looking at the history as a whole,

it's very striking that he really

1:25:541:25:59

had a history of serious mental

problems. This wasn't taken into

1:25:591:26:03

account.

The jury were not made aware of it.

1:26:031:26:06

Let's bring in John Cooper QC. He

has been looking through the files.

1:26:061:26:12

What do you think?

I have been

interested in this case for a few

1:26:121:26:17

years. Santa brought to my attention

a number of documents. I have no

1:26:171:26:25

doubt a miscarriage of justice has

occurred as far as this man is

1:26:251:26:28

concerned. Let me make it clear,

nobody is saying he didn't deserve

1:26:281:26:32

to be punished. He did. The issue is

on the defence of diminished

1:26:321:26:38

responsibility. It is a defence

which existed then, in a different

1:26:381:26:44

way. It exists now. It is

essentially says, not murder, but

1:26:441:26:48

because of your mental functioning,

you have a lesser charge.

A defence

1:26:481:26:57

that existed them which is legal

team did not choose to use. That is

1:26:571:27:01

the issue? Row precisely.

If they

had used it, you wouldn't have been

1:27:011:27:09

hanged. One of the reasons they

didn't choose to use it, and it is

1:27:091:27:14

an analysis many defence teams

consider, is to have a defence of

1:27:141:27:18

diminished responsibility you have

to admit the defence. You have to

1:27:181:27:21

see my did it but my mental

functioning was impaired. I suppose

1:27:211:27:24

the reasoning behind the defence not

using it was because they didn't

1:27:241:27:29

want to admit it. But in my opinion,

having looked at the documentation,

1:27:291:27:33

this man clearly was suffering from

an abnormality of mind, which would

1:27:331:27:36

have afforded a defence. Looking at

the papers and the report, very

1:27:361:27:42

little effort was made, in my

opinion, to analyse this. The

1:27:421:27:46

reports are cursory and the

examination is cursory.

1:27:461:27:48

That is my concern. Thank you. Thank

you both.

1:27:481:27:53

Lebanese police say a man has been

arrested on suspicion of killing

1:27:531:27:56

a woman who worked at the British

embassy in Beirut.

1:27:561:28:01

Rebecca Dykes had been at a leaving

party on Friday night.

1:28:011:28:05

Her body was found beside a motorway

on the outskirts of the city.

1:28:051:28:09

She's believed to have

been strangled.

1:28:091:28:12

Friends and colleagues have been

paying tribute to her.

1:28:121:28:19

The British Ambassador to Lebanon,

Hugo Shorter tweeted that

1:28:191:28:21

"the whole embassy is deeply

shocked, saddened by this news".

1:28:211:28:24

He said: "My thoughts

are with Becky's family,

1:28:241:28:26

friends and colleagues

for their tragic loss."

1:28:261:28:31

Well, Josie Ensor had been due

to attend the leaving

1:28:311:28:33

party on Friday night.

1:28:331:28:34

She told me that Rebecca Dykes left

early because she was due to head

1:28:341:28:37

home to Britain for Christmas.

1:28:371:28:41

She was quite new in Beirut, she

joined the embassy a few months ago.

1:28:411:28:46

My friends told me that she had just

landed on her feet in Beirut

1:28:461:28:49

and she was just starting to make

friends and getting

1:28:491:28:52

to know the city.

1:28:521:28:53

So obviously, it is very tragic

that it has happened soon

1:28:531:28:55

after she has moved to the city.

1:28:551:28:57

What do you...

1:28:571:28:58

I gather you were invited to

the party that she was at on Friday.

1:28:581:29:03

Yeah, it was a mutual

friend of ours who works

1:29:031:29:05

for the British Embassy here.

1:29:051:29:08

It was her farewell party in a bar

just down the road from me here.

1:29:081:29:13

I had kind of just been

leaving my house to go to the party

1:29:131:29:17

when I got a call from work

and turned around.

1:29:171:29:19

But yeah, all my friends were there.

1:29:191:29:21

They were chatting to her.

1:29:211:29:22

She was looking forward

to going home for Christmas the next

1:29:221:29:25

day to see her family,

and that is why she left

1:29:251:29:28

early that night.

1:29:281:29:28

I mean, everybody

else left quite late.

1:29:281:29:30

But she left with a friend of mine

just before midnight to try to get

1:29:301:29:34

some sleep before her flight home

for Christmas on Saturday.

1:29:341:29:36

Tell us about the reaction

to what has happened.

1:29:361:29:38

Everyone is incredibly shocked.

1:29:381:29:42

I mean, I know what Beirut has

historically been known for,

1:29:421:29:45

for its brutal civil war

and its connections to Syria

1:29:451:29:47

and Israel but actually,

Beirut itself is a very safe city

1:29:471:29:50

and I feel much safer here than I do

walking on my own in London

1:29:501:29:54

or New York or other big cities.

1:29:541:29:55

It is a kind of village city.

1:29:551:30:00

It is a very tight-knit

community so when something

1:30:001:30:02

happens to one person,

it feels quite close, I think.

1:30:021:30:05

So do you think people

will still feel safe

1:30:051:30:08

despite what has happened?

1:30:081:30:11

Yeah, I mean, I was talking to some

female friends of mine who have

1:30:111:30:14

lived all over the Middle East

and they have felt in danger quite

1:30:141:30:19

a lot in Cairo but they say Beirut

is something of an anomaly

1:30:191:30:22

in the region.

1:30:221:30:24

I don't think anyone

is going to dramatically change how

1:30:241:30:27

they feel about the city but I do

think we might change

1:30:271:30:30

the way we move around,

think about our own personal safety.

1:30:301:30:34

I mean, I was hearing that a taxi

driver has been arrested this

1:30:341:30:37

morning in connection

with the murder so possibly now

1:30:371:30:39

we might not take those kind

of licensed local cabs that you kind

1:30:391:30:45

of hail at the side of the road

and perhaps take one by calling

1:30:451:30:49

ahead or going with a friend.

1:30:491:31:02

In the next few minutes, the new

Bishop of London, the right Reverend

1:31:021:31:08

Sara Mullaly, the most senior woman

in the church, is due to give a

1:31:081:31:12

press conference about the fact she

has a new role. We will hear from

1:31:121:31:15

her in the next few minutes. We will

dip into that news conference when

1:31:151:31:19

it starts. Still to come, we will

speak to the 22-year-old student his

1:31:191:31:25

rape trial collapsed after

detectives failed to disclose vital

1:31:251:31:28

evidence. Liam Allan tells us

exclusively but he wants an apology

1:31:281:31:34

from the police and the CPS. That's

in the next 15 minutes. And, we will

1:31:341:31:38

look at what local councils can do

to make recycling slightly less

1:31:381:31:41

confusing.

1:31:411:31:46

Time for the latest

news - here's Annita.

1:31:461:31:48

The BBC News headlines

this morning...

1:31:481:31:49

Senior Cabinet ministers are having

formal discussions -

1:31:491:31:51

for the first time -

about the the UK's relationship

1:31:511:31:53

with the EU after Brexit.

1:31:531:32:01

The PM will later tell MPs the UK

wants to sign trade deals

1:32:011:32:05

during a transition period.

1:32:051:32:06

EU leaders have agreed talks

can move on, including

1:32:061:32:08

to discuss a transition deal

for a post-Brexit period.

1:32:081:32:10

Labour has raised concerns

that trade may not be

1:32:101:32:12

discussed for months.

1:32:121:32:17

Police in Beirut say they have

arrested a suspect as part

1:32:171:32:20

of the investigation into the murder

of a British embassy worker whose

1:32:201:32:22

body was found by the side

of a motorway.

1:32:221:32:25

Rebecca Dykes was working

in the capital city of Beirut

1:32:251:32:27

for the Department for International

Development.

1:32:271:32:29

It's thought she had been

abducted and strangled

1:32:291:32:31

after leaving a party.

1:32:311:32:36

The family of a taxi driver

who was among six people killed

1:32:361:32:39

in a road accident in Birmingham

yesterday, have described him

1:32:391:32:42

as "happy" and "loving".

1:32:421:32:43

Imtiaz Mohammed and his two

passengers all died,

1:32:431:32:45

alongside three men in another car.

1:32:451:32:46

Crash investigators

are trying to piece together

1:32:461:32:49

what caused the pile-up.

1:32:491:32:55

A former NHS chief nurse has been

named as the next Bishop of London,

1:32:551:33:00

the third most senior position in

the Church of England. Right

1:33:001:33:04

reverend Sara Mullaly is currently a

bishop in Devon, she became a priest

1:33:041:33:08

in 2006 and has spent more than 35

years in the NHS. She was made a

1:33:081:33:15

Dame in 2005 for services to nursing

and will be the most senior woman in

1:33:151:33:18

the church and will have a seat in

the House of Lords.

1:33:181:33:23

The four time Olympic champion,

Sir Mo Farah, has won this year's

1:33:231:33:26

BBC Sports Personality of the Year.

1:33:261:33:27

Motorcyclist Jonathan Rea

was second, and paralympic sprinter,

1:33:271:33:29

Jonnie Peacock, was third.

1:33:291:33:31

He was honoured at an evening in

celebration in Liverpool. Dangerous

1:33:311:33:35

cat Ennis received a Lifetime

Achievement Award. Here's some of

1:33:351:33:40

the highlights from the evening...

It is showtime... The famous trophy

1:33:401:33:51

has come north from Wimbledon and

the biggest names are here to see

1:33:511:33:56

who will be crowned the BBC sports

personality of the year.

I was proud

1:33:561:34:03

of him as a person and how he dealt

with everything. And how he put

1:34:031:34:07

others first before himself. I was

so proud of my baby.

I am slightly

1:34:071:34:19

overwhelmed but I am absolutely

honoured to receive this on behalf

1:34:191:34:24

of Bradley.

Our 2017 lifetime

achievement award winner, Dame

1:34:241:34:41

Jessica Ennis-Hill.

I am honoured to

stand here with these inspiring

1:34:411:34:44

women, and in a room full of

legends. It is unbelievable.

You

1:34:441:34:48

have left no stone unturned, and you

can have no regrets with that

1:34:481:34:51

career.

LAUGHTER

Did you get any of that?

I didn't,

1:34:511:34:58

sorry!

Daddy!

You have been

marvellous!

In 2017, the BBC sports

1:34:581:35:07

personality of the Year is... Mo

Farah.

Please don't tell me... He's

1:35:071:35:19

gone to bed!

No!

Fall of the

youngsters and people out there. You

1:35:191:35:30

can work hard. You can achieve your

dreams. Anything is possible in

1:35:301:35:34

life.

Congratulations to him.

1:35:341:35:38

Here's some sport now

with Holly Hamilton.

1:35:381:35:39

Coming up in sport -

Australia crush England in the third

1:35:391:35:42

Test at the Waca to wrap up

the Ashes Series 3-0.

1:35:421:35:44

England needed to bat throughout

the final day of the third Test

1:35:441:35:47

in Perth to force a draw -

and keep the series alive.

1:35:471:35:50

But they lost the game

by an innings and 41 runs.

1:35:501:35:56

Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers

says their 69-game unbeaten domestic

1:35:561:35:58

run may never be surpassed

by another team after his side

1:35:581:36:01

were thrashed 4-0 at Hearts.

1:36:011:36:05

Manchester United manager

Jose Mourinho says his side

1:36:051:36:07

will "fight until the last match"

after they moved back to within 11

1:36:071:36:10

points of Premier League leaders

Manchester City by beating West Brom

1:36:101:36:12

2-1.

1:36:121:36:17

And European Champions Saracens look

like they'll now need

1:36:171:36:19

to try to reach the quarterfinals

as one of three best Pool runners-up

1:36:191:36:22

after losing 24-21 to group leaders

Clemont Auvergne in France.

1:36:221:36:25

Those are you headlines -

I'll have more reaction to that

1:36:251:36:27

Ashes result coming up at 11

o'clock.

1:36:271:36:37

Thank you.

1:36:371:36:38

Facebook has acknowledged

for the first time that social media

1:36:381:36:41

can harm mental health -

but says users can improve their low

1:36:411:36:44

mood by posting more often.

1:36:441:36:48

We can talk now to Tom Burridge,

who's been looking into this story.

1:36:481:36:53

What have they said?

It is

interesting, it's the first time

1:36:531:36:57

that Facebook had said that

excessive use of social media can

1:36:571:37:01

lead to a lot of problems, that has

been detailed by academics, like

1:37:011:37:05

anxiety, depression, body image

issues, sleep issues, you can also

1:37:051:37:11

get FOMO, a fear of missing out. You

see what a great time people say

1:37:111:37:16

they are having. And you think,

maybe my life isn't so great?

1:37:161:37:23

Facebook say that the solution isn't

that we should use Facebook less but

1:37:231:37:27

what we should do is more quality

time on Facebook. What they say is,

1:37:271:37:32

what you need to do is unique to

socially interact. It is more

1:37:321:37:37

messages, send direct messages to

your real friends and your

1:37:371:37:40

colleagues. More posts, one-on-one,

between people. The jargon they use

1:37:401:37:48

is "Meaningful social interactions".

Do more of that. As opposed to

1:37:481:37:53

passively consuming what everyone

else is doing?

Browsing along,

1:37:531:37:57

low-level content, and perhaps the

odd "Like" idly about something but

1:37:571:38:02

not social engagement with people

that you are friends with on

1:38:021:38:06

Facebook.

So they are definitely not

saying spend less time on Facebook?

1:38:061:38:10

They are coming up with some

concrete steps they are taking. To

1:38:101:38:13

their credit they are saying that

they would change the platform

1:38:131:38:16

itself in a few ways. They will get

rid of what they call "Click bait

1:38:161:38:21

headlines". Those are the links

which pop up on certain websites

1:38:211:38:26

that you see, they are often

salacious or almost ridiculous,

1:38:261:38:30

often fake news and they are

designed to be irresistible so that

1:38:301:38:33

you click on them and go to a

company's website. Optimise your

1:38:331:38:39

feed so that in theory, your best

friends will pop up more. They will

1:38:391:38:45

bring in a new snooze option, rather

than de-friend someone, you cannot

1:38:451:38:54

be friends with someone for a period

of time, and they say that taking

1:38:541:38:59

measures to prevent suicide, what

they are doing is working with

1:38:591:39:02

companies and organisations around

the world to identify people

1:39:021:39:06

explicitly talking about the idea of

taking one's own life, they are

1:39:061:39:15

using artificial intelligence, they

say, jargon for computer algorithms,

1:39:151:39:19

to look at less explicit references

by people about the idea of

1:39:191:39:24

committing suicide. There is also

the issue of children. Every parent

1:39:241:39:29

grapples with excessive social media

use with their children. All of the

1:39:291:39:33

issues that can bring up about

forging relationships and

1:39:331:39:40

concentration. In that sense,

Facebook is saying that they will

1:39:401:39:44

invest money and do more research,

$1 million, but they are not coming

1:39:441:39:48

up with concrete steps in that yet.

They say they do not have the

1:39:481:39:52

answers about that yet. They cannot

really say they should use social

1:39:521:39:56

media less, because they are a

company, it would be a technical

1:39:561:40:01

turkey voting for Christmas.

Thank

you.

1:40:011:40:09

A 22-year-old student whose rape

trial collapsed after detectives

1:40:091:40:13

failed to disclose vital evidence

to the defence has told this

1:40:131:40:16

programme he wants an apology

from police and the CPS.

1:40:161:40:18

Liam Allan was charged with 12

counts of rape and sexual assault,

1:40:181:40:21

but his trial collapsed

after police were ordered

1:40:211:40:23

to hand over phone records.

1:40:231:40:30

In an interview alongside his mum,

Lorraine, he tells us his life

1:40:301:40:33

has "ripped apart" by

what had happened to him.

1:40:331:40:35

It emerged last week that the case

against Mr Allan was dropped,

1:40:351:40:37

when evidence on a computer disk

containing 40,000 text and whatsapp

1:40:371:40:40

messages revealed the alleged victim

pestered him for "casual sex".

1:40:401:40:43

The Met Police say it is

"urgently reviewing' the way

1:40:431:40:45

the investigation was handled.

1:40:451:40:47

I've been speaking to Liam Allan

and his mum, and asked him

1:40:471:40:50

if the police had been in touch

with him since his case collapsed.

1:40:501:40:53

There's been no direct contact.

1:40:531:40:54

Nothing?

No.

1:40:541:40:57

What do you think of that?

It's disappointing, naturally.

1:40:571:41:00

Obviously, it does not take too long

to send an apology or anything

1:41:001:41:03

like that or just get in contact

and let me know what is going on.

1:41:031:41:08

But I understand, you know,

that they might not want to speak

1:41:081:41:11

to me right now, given

that they don't really know what has

1:41:111:41:14

gone wrong in terms of completely,

it was the whole system.

1:41:141:41:17

I do understand that they are

reviewing things so I am trying

1:41:171:41:20

to be understanding in that respect.

1:41:201:41:21

But that is what you

would like, an apology?

1:41:211:41:23

Realistically...

1:41:231:41:24

Yeah, an apology would be nice.

1:41:241:41:26

Why is that important to you?

1:41:261:41:27

Just, I don't know.

1:41:271:41:28

It sort of accepts responsibility,

I suppose, and it does show remorse.

1:41:281:41:31

I've seen a lot of people's comments

on articles saying there is no

1:41:311:41:37

remorse from the police or the CPS.

1:41:371:41:40

I know there is but obviously,

I can't prove it if I haven't

1:41:401:41:43

had anything myself.

1:41:431:41:44

You have had the weekend now

to absorb what has happened to you.

1:41:441:41:47

You could have potentially been

found guilty of six rapes

1:41:471:41:50

You could have been sent to jail

for over a decade and you could have

1:41:541:41:57

been on the sex offenders

register for life.

1:41:571:41:59

How are you feeling about it now?

1:41:591:42:01

There's relief on one side in terms

of the case is over.

1:42:011:42:04

As in, I'm not, you know,

the suspect or I'm not

1:42:041:42:06

standing trial any more

so there is relief, there.

1:42:061:42:08

With the publicity, I mean,

it has been huge, and a different

1:42:081:42:11

kind of stress in terms of that now.

1:42:111:42:13

And there is still another bout

to go through in terms

1:42:131:42:16

of compensation and suing,

going from there, really.

1:42:161:42:18

It is not over completely.

1:42:181:42:20

Just I am not the one

standing trial any more.

1:42:201:42:26

What do you think would be

adequate compensation

1:42:261:42:28

for what you have endured?

1:42:281:42:29

I don't know.

1:42:291:42:30

I have said this so many times that

university is supposed to be

1:42:301:42:33

the best years of your life,

and the last two years have just

1:42:331:42:38

been spent worrying and not really

concentrating on anything.

1:42:381:42:40

It has completely ripped

apart my normal personal life

1:42:401:42:42

and now it has come to light,

it is still going on and obviously,

1:42:421:42:45

the longer we have to wait in terms

of going for compensation and things

1:42:451:42:49

like that, you know, the more stress

it still is because I'm still away

1:42:491:42:52

from uni and still away

from my normal life.

1:42:521:42:54

Everything is still upside down.

1:42:541:42:55

But as I said, I'm not standing

trial any more but there

1:42:551:42:58

is still emotional stress there.

1:42:581:43:00

Lorraine, how has it been

for you as Liam's mum,

1:43:001:43:03

the last couple of years

while he has been on bail?

1:43:031:43:11

Difficult.

1:43:111:43:12

I suppose that is a bit

of an understatement.

1:43:121:43:14

You never want to see your

child goes through it.

1:43:141:43:16

It is not something

you could prevent.

1:43:161:43:20

You know, you can educate your

daughters of the dangers of putting

1:43:201:43:23

yourself in difficult positions,

things to watch out for.

1:43:231:43:29

You can educate your sons,

as I feel I have, on respect and how

1:43:291:43:32

to look after people,

not harming people.

1:43:321:43:35

You can't protect yourself

against something like this.

1:43:351:43:39

I think this is part of why

it is felt by a lot of people,

1:43:391:43:42

you know, and you see a lot

of people saying it

1:43:421:43:45

can happen to anyone.

1:43:451:43:49

There seems to be...

1:43:491:43:53

There's a lot more than just text

messages and things that

1:43:531:43:55

were factors to the case.

1:43:551:43:58

You know, the amount of support that

I found very overwhelming

1:43:581:44:02

during the time and even now,

the support we have had,

1:44:021:44:07

there's no way we could have got

through it without that.

1:44:071:44:12

As a woman, you do, when someone

comes, does this type of thing,

1:44:121:44:15

your instinct is to want to believe

because I think that is where I have

1:44:151:44:18

spent a lot of my time,

trying to get my head around why

1:44:181:44:22

someone would lie about this.

1:44:221:44:28

It just didn't make

any sense at all.

1:44:281:44:32

Obviously, they have

their own reasons.

1:44:321:44:34

But that was a real struggle.

1:44:341:44:38

There were people that

I knew that knew Liam,

1:44:381:44:41

who would automatically,

you know, know and realise this

1:44:411:44:43

does not seem possible.

1:44:431:44:48

There were other people

that don't know my son,

1:44:481:44:51

that have only had my word,

that if I wanted to say

1:44:511:44:54

or talk about anything

we were going through,

1:44:541:44:56

I would struggle a little bit

because I would feel I would be

1:44:561:45:00

putting them in an awkward position,

to make a judgment without any

1:45:001:45:02

sort of basis to it.

1:45:021:45:04

Without any context?

1:45:041:45:05

As a mother, you are going

to protect your child,

1:45:051:45:08

that is how everyone sees it.

1:45:081:45:12

In some ways I felt that

even though I'm sitting there,

1:45:121:45:15

saying, "I know it is not possible,

this is not my son",

1:45:151:45:18

everyone is going to look at me

and say, "Well,

1:45:181:45:20

you are a mother".

1:45:201:45:24

should

1:45:241:45:24

Liam, you must have thought often

about why this woman made up these

1:45:241:45:27

allegations about you.

1:45:271:45:28

Why do you think?

1:45:281:45:32

From what I can gather,

part of it is spite.

1:45:321:45:35

But obviously, anything that I say

is speculating, really.

1:45:351:45:39

For me, I can't really

comprehend why you would want

1:45:391:45:41

to do that to somebody

in the first place anyway.

1:45:411:45:43

It seems it just started off

as a little white lie and then

1:45:431:45:47

as soon as that starts,

where it is so serious, it is not

1:45:471:45:51

something you can go back on.

1:45:511:45:53

You know, we all tell little white

lies but not on that scale,

1:45:531:45:56

not on such a series topic.

1:45:561:45:57

Do you think she should be

prosecuted for that?

1:45:571:45:59

I'm going to leave that decision

to somebody else, if I'm honest.

1:45:591:46:05

You know, I think I am biased

in terms of the emotional side of it

1:46:051:46:09

and so it is not my decision

to make from here.

1:46:091:46:11

That is somebody else's

decision to make.

1:46:111:46:13

Do you, Lorraine?

1:46:131:46:14

I think honestly, I think

she may need help.

1:46:141:46:21

With all the things that we have

seen, the support has been

1:46:211:46:25

really positive for us.

1:46:251:46:26

I am so grateful for that.

1:46:261:46:29

Seeing some of the comments

that are so negative,

1:46:291:46:31

I am fearful for her.

1:46:311:46:32

You have sympathy for her?

1:46:321:46:33

There is sympathy there.

1:46:331:46:35

I know that sounds really strange.

1:46:351:46:41

I think, no, probably, not

through the case or the trial, no.

1:46:411:46:45

With the media attention,

it has changed it a little bit.

1:46:451:46:50

You know, I am trying

to picture what, as a parent,

1:46:501:46:56

either side of the fence,

there is pain, frustration.

1:46:561:47:00

She has a family.

1:47:001:47:02

I don't think anyone,

for all of the comments they make

1:47:021:47:05

and judgments they make around these

kind of cases, actually take

1:47:051:47:07

into account the impact it has

on everybody else around them.

1:47:071:47:12

Why do you think the police and CPS

did not disclose any of those 40,000

1:47:121:47:17

messages which in the end

proved your innocence?

1:47:171:47:22

I wouldn't know why.

1:47:221:47:26

I mean, it could be a mistake.

1:47:261:47:29

It could have just been, you know,

"I don't have enough time

1:47:291:47:32

to read 47,000 messages",

which, you know, for me,

1:47:321:47:35

something this serious,

obviously, other people have gone

1:47:351:47:39

through the same sort of thing, your

life is on hold so there isn't...

1:47:391:47:42

You know, I would quite happily have

waited an extra month and gone

1:47:421:47:45

for an extra month if it meant

they would have read them properly.

1:47:451:47:48

This could all have been avoided.

1:47:481:47:50

There would have been an extra month

to save another eight or nine months

1:47:501:47:53

waiting for a trial.

1:47:531:47:55

I think they are under a lot

of pressure, especially given how

1:47:551:47:58

much media attention

there is around the topic.

1:47:581:48:00

But you don't think

it was malicious?

1:48:001:48:02

It's...

1:48:021:48:03

I find it hard to believe

it was malicious.

1:48:031:48:07

But thank goodness for

the prosecuting barrister

1:48:071:48:09

who was insistent that they should

be disclosed in the end

1:48:091:48:14

because he had been fobbed off once,

told that they were not relevant,

1:48:141:48:17

or they could not be disclosed

because they contained

1:48:171:48:19

"very personal material".

1:48:191:48:20

And they were not relevant,

there was nothing capable

1:48:201:48:22

of undermining the prosecution case

or assisting the defence.

1:48:221:48:25

I mean, I think there's a lot

of credit, in terms of...

1:48:251:48:28

This is why I consider myself lucky.

1:48:281:48:33

The judge handled it so well

in terms of from a neutral point

1:48:331:48:36

of view and that was really nice

to sort of see, you know,

1:48:361:48:39

you don't feel quite

so alone in that respect.

1:48:391:48:41

Obviously, the prosecutor we got,

he was extremely understanding

1:48:411:48:43

that we should have that information

but I have got to give full credit

1:48:431:48:49

to my barrister, Julius Marr,

and Simone from the law firm,

1:48:491:48:54

for their persistence,

genuinely, their attitude has

1:48:541:48:56

been absolutely amazing.

1:48:561:49:00

There is nobody else like them,

for me and I owe my life to them,

1:49:001:49:03

to them all, equally,

to be fair.

1:49:031:49:06

I'm going to read a couple

of the messages out so the audience

1:49:061:49:09

can see how vital they were showing

that you were completely innocent.

1:49:091:49:12

September 2015, your accuser sent

a message to a friend

1:49:121:49:15

discussing her sex life with you.

1:49:151:49:21

"It wasn't against my

will or anything".

1:49:211:49:25

And another which was relevant,

it has been reported because she has

1:49:251:49:28

claimed to the police

that she did not like being intimate

1:49:281:49:31

with men, "People need

three things in life,

1:49:311:49:33

food, water and sex".

1:49:331:49:35

And another, "Sometimes,

sex is the number-one priority.

1:49:351:49:37

I'm really not joking,

to be honest".

1:49:371:49:41

According to your solicitor,

there could be other cases,

1:49:411:49:43

other miscarriages of justice,

people in jail now where

1:49:431:49:47

evidence that would have

proved their innocence has

1:49:471:49:49

not been disclosed.

1:49:491:49:50

I think, yeah, I think

that is what I have said,

1:49:501:49:53

you can't really stop false

accusations and people do

1:49:531:49:56

have a spiteful side and when people

are hurt, they react in a way

1:49:561:49:59

you would not really expect.

1:49:591:50:02

We rely on the procedure to find

the right sort of things.

1:50:021:50:05

As far as I'm aware,

if I've been through it,

1:50:051:50:09

then I'm not the only one,

just because I am the one

1:50:091:50:12

in the media right now,

it definitely does not mean I'm

1:50:121:50:15

the only one that has been

through it so I think there

1:50:151:50:17

are people going through it now.

1:50:171:50:19

You know, that is the aim now,

the procedure may need to change

1:50:191:50:22

in order to make sure that this does

not happen again but for the people

1:50:221:50:25

that are going through it now,

you know, can that change?

1:50:251:50:28

Reviews of other cases might happen.

1:50:281:50:29

Yeah.

1:50:291:50:31

But the third step is making sure

that the procedure changes

1:50:311:50:33

in the right direction so you know

what you're looking for.

1:50:331:50:36

And not just in sexual offences

cases, but in all cases.

1:50:361:50:39

Yeah.

1:50:391:50:40

Just to say, there's a tiny

percentage of false allegations

1:50:401:50:44

when it comes to crimes

of a sexual offences nature.

1:50:441:50:47

I want to read you a statement

from the CPS, who said,

1:50:471:50:49

"We will now be conducting

a management review, together

1:50:491:50:52

with the Metropolitan Police,

to examine the way in

1:50:521:50:56

which the case was handled".

1:50:561:50:58

What is your view of that?

1:50:581:51:02

To be fair, I have been quite

clear in this respect.

1:51:021:51:05

I completely understand they have

to do their internal investigation.

1:51:051:51:08

I mean, some people that will have

known about the case need to learn

1:51:081:51:12

a lot about what went wrong,

where they went wrong.

1:51:121:51:14

There's gaps everywhere.

1:51:141:51:15

It isn't necessarily

just disclosure.

1:51:151:51:16

The evidence was there

through the whole process.

1:51:161:51:18

But do you trust the CPS

and the police doing their own

1:51:181:51:22

review into what went wrong

at the CPS and the police?

1:51:221:51:25

Initially, yeah, but I mean,

I've said it before,

1:51:251:51:27

I would love to sit down with them,

you know, and maybe there's a few

1:51:271:51:32

other people like me that would love

to sit down with them and say,

1:51:321:51:36

"You give us your step-by-step

procedure and we will compare it

1:51:361:51:38

with what we went through and we can

tell you exactly where the holes

1:51:381:51:42

are, from our personal experience".

1:51:421:51:43

You know, there are going to be

holes in other people's experiences

1:51:431:51:46

that I would not have experienced

so there are other people out there.

1:51:461:51:49

At the moment, the spotlight

is on my case but there

1:51:491:51:52

are other voices out there.

1:51:521:51:53

I mean, I've heard loads

of other people's stories.

1:51:531:51:55

You know, it is possible to sit us

all down in the same room

1:51:551:51:58

with the same sort of people and get

the personal side of it

1:51:581:52:01

as well as the professional side.

1:52:011:52:03

That was Liam Allan and his mother

speaking to us this morning.

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mark says, I have also been the

victim of false rape allegations.

As

1:52:081:52:13

an adult with young children at the

time, I was thrown out of my family

1:52:131:52:16

home for the duration of the

investigation, eight months. I can

1:52:161:52:19

only see my children for one hour a

week in a dirty contact centre. It

1:52:191:52:27

was plastered all over the local

paper. It caused absolute panic

1:52:271:52:32

among all farm -- families who knew

me. During my three day trial I was

1:52:321:52:36

again plastered all over the papers

as a rapist and the story was

1:52:361:52:40

repeated every hour on local radio.

The fallout from me has been the

1:52:401:52:45

loss of my family, marriage,

business, friends and my children,

1:52:451:52:50

who will have nothing to do with me

at all.

1:52:501:52:52

A plan for reducing plastic

waste is to be announced

1:52:521:52:54

by the government in the New Year.

1:52:541:53:00

Earlier this month we highlighted

how much of a problem plastics

1:53:001:53:03

can be in our oceans:

1:53:031:53:04

By 2050, there will be more plastic

than fish in the sea,

1:53:041:53:07

according to the World Economic

Forum.

1:53:071:53:09

80% of all the litter

in the ocean is plastic.

1:53:091:53:13

Last year, more than 7 billion

people worldwide produced over

1:53:131:53:17

300 million tonnes of plastic.

1:53:171:53:18

Ships are banned from dumping

plastic overboard but there is no

1:53:181:53:22

international law against plastics

flooding into the sea from the land.

1:53:221:53:27

China, Thailand, Indonesia

and the Philippines are responsible

1:53:271:53:30

for much of the world's

Ocean plastic pollution.

1:53:301:53:36

As well as bottles, drinking straws,

micro beads and polystyrene boxes,

1:53:361:53:42

it is estimated there are 640,000

tonnes of abandoned fishing

1:53:421:53:44

nets on the ocean floor.

1:53:441:53:47

There are severe consequences

for marine animals who choke

1:53:471:53:50

on the plastic and have

their habitats destroyed.

1:53:501:53:54

Sunlight breaks the plastic

into small pieces which fish and sea

1:53:541:53:58

birds mistake for food and ingest

and that threatens the food

1:53:581:54:02

supply for humans as well.

1:54:021:54:03

Campaigners want a Paris climate

style deal with countries agreeing

1:54:031:54:06

long-term goals and zero tolerance.

1:54:061:54:14

We can speak now to Professor

of Marine Biology, Richard Thompson,

1:54:141:54:20

and Claire Wallerstein who heads up

1:54:201:54:22

a beach cleaning group in Cornwall

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How bad is it and what do you think

of this 4-point plan?

I think it is

1:54:251:54:33

a good plan in essence. The devil

will be in the detail. It is

1:54:331:54:38

essential to think about reducing

particularly the amount of single

1:54:381:54:40

use plastic. 40% of all the plastic

items we produce our single use

1:54:401:54:46

items. We find a lot on our

shorelines. It is important. The

1:54:461:54:53

solutions are already Highridge and

in the recommendations to nothing --

1:54:531:54:56

to increase emotive recycling. That

is positive. Also, it will make

1:54:561:55:06

things less consuming -- confusing

for the consumer. It is important we

1:55:061:55:10

start in the UK. Yes, there are our

problems in the far east with

1:55:101:55:16

developing nations. But we have

problems in the UK and Europe.

1:55:161:55:20

Claire, what is it like on the

beaches of Cornwall where you work?

1:55:201:55:25

I would agree with what Richard

said. It is not just a problem on

1:55:251:55:29

the other side of the world. You get

them on the beaches in Cornwall and

1:55:291:55:33

you can see the evidence for

yourself. We cover just a couple of

1:55:331:55:37

miles of Cornish coastline and we

remove hundreds of sacks of plastic

1:55:371:55:40

from those beaches every year. The

Marine wildlife is suffering from

1:55:401:55:45

some early problems from climate

change, overfishing. When you find

1:55:451:55:51

animals that have died needlessly

because of our throwaway consumer

1:55:511:55:55

plastic, that is absolutely

heartbreaking. We do see that. We

1:55:551:55:58

find birds with their legs tangled

together. A huge number of Cornish

1:55:581:56:03

seals have got plastic and tangled

around their necks. Over a third of

1:56:031:56:06

the fish have got plastic in their

guts. It is happening here.

The kind

1:56:061:56:14

of things you find on the beach

includes what?

Predominantly we get

1:56:141:56:20

a lot of fishing gear. But really

the major thing is the throwaway

1:56:201:56:23

consumer stuff that Richard was

talking about. Plastic is an amazing

1:56:231:56:28

material. It has revolutionised our

lives. It is designed to last

1:56:281:56:32

forever. We are using almost half of

it for items that will be used for a

1:56:321:56:39

few minutes and thrown away. It's

crazy. We focus on plastic and

1:56:391:56:45

bottle tops. We collected 65,003

months. We strung them together into

1:56:451:56:50

a chain that stretched over one

kilometre long. That shows you the

1:56:501:56:54

impact of the throwaway consumer

stuff, which is what we need to

1:56:541:56:58

tackle.

Richard, can we work with

plastic in other ways to help fix

1:56:581:57:02

the environmental problems?

I

believe this is a problem we can

1:57:021:57:06

fix. If you think about the many

benefits of plastic, and that

1:57:061:57:11

includes packaging, it is not

coupled to this emission to the

1:57:111:57:15

environment. It is different to many

of the other challenges. It is about

1:57:151:57:19

using plastics differently and more

smartly. By doing so I believe we

1:57:191:57:23

can solve the problem.

How do we do

that?

We need to do some of the

1:57:231:57:28

things outlined in the proposal.

Recycle more, make it much simpler

1:57:281:57:34

to recycle. One of the

recommendations is to cut the number

1:57:341:57:36

of plastics. What is being suggested

is that we reduce the diversity, to

1:57:361:57:42

increase the potential for

recycling. I was at a recycling

1:57:421:57:45

plant recently. Some of our most

recyclable poly- Ma was undetectable

1:57:451:57:50

because of the complete lack of

thought in the design studies that

1:57:501:57:56

sliced high-value plastic. It is

about taking a back to the drawing

1:57:561:58:01

board, to think about this much more

clearly at the design stage, to

1:58:011:58:05

minimise the use of plastics,

particularly in single use

1:58:051:58:09

applications. Designer for a replay

-- to be you both.

1:58:091:58:19

Thank you for your time.

1:58:191:58:21

On the programme tomorrow -

we look at how sex education

1:58:211:58:24

guidelines will be updated to deal

with online pornography and sexting.

1:58:241:58:26

Thank you very much for your

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