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It's Monday, it's nine o'clock. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire,
welcome to the programme. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:14 | |
This morning - we'll bring
you claims that sexual abuse | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
and harassment is "endemic"
in the music industry, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
with "dangerous men"
abusing their power. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
Young women are being sexually
assaulted, still, today. There are | 0:00:23 | 0:00:29 | |
some very dangerous men in this
business. Right at the top? Yes. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:35 | |
Currently? Yes. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
That full exclusive
report at about 0915 - | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
and if you work in the music
industry - really keen to hear | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
from you this morning. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
Do get in touch with
your own experience. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
Also on the programme -
doctors are warning that tens | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
of thousands of people may be
at increased risk of dying early | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
from heart attacks and strokes
by misusing anabolic steroids. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
Everything that we do in life, I
think, carries a risk of heart | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
attack, cancer, whatever it is.
Whatever it is, I will get that | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
risk anyway. We will hear from those
who use steroids and those who sell | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
them. There are those who abuse
steroids and it damages their help. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
That's their choice. -- damages
their health. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:21 | |
The full Newsbeat report before ten. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
And - Senior government ministers
are meeting in half an hour | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
or so to discuss in detail
for the first time what the UK's | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
future relationship
with the EU should be. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:34 | |
Hello... | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
Welcome to the programme,
we're live until 11. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
It is Christmas week! | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
Throughout the programme this
morning we'll bring you the latest | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
breaking news and
developing stories. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:46 | |
A little | 0:01:46 | 0:01:47 | |
later we'll hear from Liam Allan -
the 22-year-old student whose rape | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
trial collapsed after detectives
failed to disclose vital | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
evidence to the defence. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:53 | |
He's told this programme he wants
an apology from police and the CPS. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Do get in touch on all the stories
we're talking about this morning - | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
use the hashtag Victoria live
and if you text, you will be charged | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
at the standard network rate. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
Our top story today... | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
Theresa May is due to meet
her Brexit cabinet - | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
about a dozen of her most senior
ministers - to discuss for the first | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
time what the UK's future
relationship with the EU should be. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
Later, she is expected to tell MPs
the UK wants to sign trade deals | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
during what she calls
an implementation period. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:30 | |
And what everybody else calls a
transition period. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
Norman Smith is at Westminster. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
How crucial is the meeting this
morning? It is one of those big | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
banana moments. It is a funny one,
in a way. We've had months of them | 0:02:38 | 0:02:44 | |
going on and on about Brexit but
still there hasn't been a formal sit | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
down with senior members of the
Cabinet decided what is the future | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
of Britain going to be outside of
the EU, and the future trading | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
relationship, what will that be with
the European Union? That will happen | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
today and it is the first time
they've done it, in spite of months | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
of debate. There is a clear
difference between those like Philip | 0:03:04 | 0:03:14 | |
Hammond and Amber Rudd, who think
that the priority is staying close | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
to the European Union and single
market so we have access still to | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
the single market for British
industry, so we take some EU rules, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
we stay in some EU bodies and may
give them money to get access to key | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
parts of the British economy, like
the city. Against them, the likes of | 0:03:31 | 0:03:37 | |
Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, more
optimistic about prospects for | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
Britain if we just move away from
Europe. We do not stay bound by all | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
of their roles because, they say,
that it you look a long way ahead, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:51 | |
big trading blocs like the EU, that
will not be the name of the game, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
the name of the game will be small
countries, agile countries able to | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
strike their own trade deals, and
that is what Britain ought to be | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
like. There is a clear difference
about what we ought to do in terms | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
of our future relationship with
Europe. How likely is it the EU will | 0:04:06 | 0:04:13 | |
support her plans? Here is one of
the big difficulties. Not only has | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
Theresa May got to get a Cabinet
together on this but she's also got | 0:04:17 | 0:04:25 | |
to square the EU and, overnight, we
heard from the EU's chief negotiator | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
Michel Barnier, he said look, if you
think we are going to cut you a | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
special deal? No way! There are
certain options, you could be like | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
Norway, not in the EU, but still
part of the single market or, you | 0:04:35 | 0:04:40 | |
could be like Canada, which has a
free trade deal but do not think | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
that there will be any special
arrangement for Britain. As I say, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
she's not only got to hold her
Cabinet together but push the EU | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
into giving us what is called a
bespoke deal. Norman, thank you. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:59 | |
Now let's go over to the BBC
Newsroom for a summary | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
of the rest of the day's news. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
Good morning. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:05 | |
Police in Beirut say they have
arrested a suspect as part | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
of the investigation into the murder
of a British embassy worker | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
whose body was found
by the side of a motorway. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
Rebecca Dykes was working
in the capital city | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
of Beirut for the Department
for International Development. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
It is thought she had been abducted
and strangled after leaving a party. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
Martin Patience is in Beirut. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
It does appear that there has been a
big breakthrough in this case, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
Lebanese police are telling us that
they've arrested a suspect in the | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
early hours of this morning. It is
believed that man had been working | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
as a taxi driver. Rebecca had been
out on Friday night at a going away | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
party for a colleague. It was in a
popular bar area of the city, and it | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
was sometime after midnight that she
left that bar to make our way home. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
It appears that perhaps she got into
a taxi and then, on Saturday, her | 0:05:49 | 0:05:58 | |
body was found dumped close to a
motorway on the outskirts of the | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
city. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:02 | |
Martin patients reporting there from
the Lebanese capital. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
The increasing pressure
on teenage boys and men | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
in their twenties to look perfect
has led to more of them | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
taking anabolic steroids
to achieve what they see | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
as the ideal body type. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:17 | |
Today, the British Cardiovascular
Society is warning tens of thousands | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
of people who take the drugs
are putting themselves | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
at risk of dying early,
as Radio One Newsbeat's Dan | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
Whitworth reports. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:26 | |
As well as heart attacks
and strokes, people who take | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
anabolic steroids also risk health
problems like infertility | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
and mood swings. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
But those risks aren't
putting users off. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:37 | |
Everything that we do in life
carries a risk of heart attack, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
cancer, whatever it is. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:40 | |
So, whatever it is, I'm
going to get those risks anyway, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
so I choose not to do certain
things, and I choose this | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
as my lifestyle instead. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
So, as I don't go out
drinking and smoking, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
I take steroids. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:50 | |
When it comes to the law,
anabolic steroids are legal to use | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
and legal to possess
right across the UK. | 0:06:54 | 0:07:04 | |
What is illegal, though,
is supplying them unless you're | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
a doctor, and if you're caught,
you could face a prison sentence | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
of up to 14 years. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
Anabolic steroids cause
an imbalance of hormones, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
which can damage many different
organs, but in particular the heart. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
But that doesn't stop this man,
who spoke on condition of anonymity, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
from dealing them. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
There's a very broad spectrum
of people that use steroids. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
You're ranging from young
guys at 18-year-olds, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
19, 20, just starting out,
and they're training and looking | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
to bulk up for maybe a summer
holiday, or just to look good for... | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
For a summer holiday? | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
For a summer holiday, or they just
want to attract the girls. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
So these are the guys that you have
to be more informative when you talk | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
to them, make them more aware
of the risks and the dangers. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
The group which advises government
on drug misuse is in the middle | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
of a big review of anabolic
steroids, and due to report | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
its findings next year. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
Dan Whitworth, BBC News, Bristol. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
This programme has been told that
sexual abuse and harassment in the | 0:07:53 | 0:07:58 | |
music industry are "Endemic". | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
Four women have spoken
about the serious assaults and rape | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
they suffered at the hands
of powerful men in the industry. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
One singer has spoken
about being groomed by her manager | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
at one of the biggest music
companies in the UK | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
when she was just 15 years old. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
The family of a taxi driver
who was among six people killed | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
in a road accident in Birmingham
yesterday, have described him | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
as "happy" and "loving". | 0:08:19 | 0:08:25 | |
Imtiaz Mohammed and his
two passengers died, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:26 | |
alongside three men in another car. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
Crash investigators
are trying to piece together | 0:08:28 | 0:08:29 | |
what caused the pile-up. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
Myanmar's leaders could face
genocide charges, according | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
to the UN's human rights chief. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
He's told the BBC that the organised
and planned nature of | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
the persecution of the Rohingya
ethnic group in Myanmar means | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
genocide could not be ruled out. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
The plight of hundreds of thousands
of Rohingya people is said to be | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
the world's fastest growing refugee
crisis. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:56 | |
There's been major disruption
at the world's busiest airport | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
in Atlanta in the United States,
as a result of a power cut. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Some passengers were left
in darkened terminals at Atlanta's | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Hartsfield-Jackson airport. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:04 | |
More than 1000 flights have
been cancelled and many | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
are being diverted elsewhere. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
The airport typically handles more
than 250,000 passengers | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
and almost 2,500 flights every day. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
A new plan for tackling plastic
waste has been outlined | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
by the Environment Secretary Michael
Gove. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
He says he wants to reduce
the amount of plastics used | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
in the UK and to make sure
more is recycled. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
Mr Gove says he's been moved
to act faster after seeing | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
David Attenborough's Blue Planet
series which highlighted the harm | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
to marine life from plastic litter. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:36 | |
The four time Olympic champion,
Sir Mo Farah, has won this year's | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
BBC Sports Personality of the Year. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
Motorcyclist Jonathan Rea
was second, and paralympic sprinter, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
Jonnie Peacock, was third. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
The pre-award favourite,
heavyweight world champ | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
Anthony Joshua, finished
in fourth place. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
But the result wasn't
the only unexpected event. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
When Sir Mo's shock victory
was announced, the link | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
to his location in London went down. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
Eventually the line was established,
this is what he had to say. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:08 | |
As an athlete, what I've achieved
has been incredible over the years. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
For all of the youngsters and to the
people out there, you can work hard | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
and you can achieve your dreams.
Anything is possible in life. If you | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
believe in it, work at it, and keep
grafting, anything is possible. What | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
an amazing night it is and I wish I
was there but unfortunately I cannot | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
be there. The kids haven't been as
well, but it is all exciting for us. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:37 | |
I just cannot believe that I have
won! | 0:10:37 | 0:10:45 | |
Congratulations to Sir Mo Farah. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
Historic England has published
a list of the the most unusual | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
structures and sites given protected
listed status in 2017. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
The National Heritage List
recognises places of | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
special architectural
or historic importance. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
Historic England says
the places gaining the status | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
are increasingly quirky. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 9.30. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
Thank you. In a fume and it's time
we have a film that talks about the | 0:11:06 | 0:11:14 | |
grotesque level of sexual abuse and
harassment within the music | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
industry. We will hear claims that
one teenage singer-songwriter was | 0:11:17 | 0:11:24 | |
ruined by her manager and claims
that there are men at the top of the | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
music sector in serious positions of
power who, according to some women, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:33 | |
should be in jail. That's at 9:15am. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
Do get in touch with us
throughout the morning - | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
use the hashtag Victoria live
and if you text, you will be charged | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
at the standard network rate. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
Let's get some sport
with Holly Hamilton. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:53 | |
Sadly, it was only a matter of time
before Australia regain the Ashes? | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
Yes, I feel like I've brought bad
news this morning! They say that bad | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
things happen in threes, that was
the case for England this time | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
around, it was all over by one
innings and 41 runs, and a dominant | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
scoreline too. To think that England
had been 368-4, it feels like they | 0:12:11 | 0:12:17 | |
let an opportunity slip. They will
be kicking themselves this morning. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:29 | |
And we did have a little bit of hope
early this morning when a three-hour | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
delay caused by some leaking covers
and damp patches on the pitch | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
provided some respite for England.
But Australia's bowlers - led | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
superbly by Josh Hazlewood - quite
simply blew England's tail away. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Five wickets for Hazlewood, two for
Pat Cummins, two for Nathan Lyon, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
one for Mitch Starc. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:52 | |
An innings built on a magnificent
239 by the captain, and 188 from | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
Mitch Marsh. A proper team
performance to go 3-0 up by | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
Australia. Let's hear from the
captains. It is bitterly | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
disappointing. We have not been
blown away. We have not been | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
completely outplayed. We have put up
some really good performances, but | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
not good enough, as simple as that.
In all three games, we have matched | 0:13:11 | 0:13:17 | |
and outplayed Australia, and those
key moments within the game, it's a | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
credit to those guys. That aside,
they have really grasped those and | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
driven it home. We have to learn
from that and make sure that in | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
these last two games, that they do
that. It has been an amazing couple | 0:13:29 | 0:13:35 | |
of weeks. I have really enjoyed
every moment of it. We have put in | 0:13:35 | 0:13:41 | |
so much hard work, the preparation
and everything that has come with | 0:13:41 | 0:13:47 | |
the series, it has been huge and to
know that everything has worked out, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
we've been able to get the urn back.
All of those emotions, they came out | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
at once. I am so pleased and happy
for the group. For everyone, the | 0:13:55 | 0:14:06 | |
support staff and everyone who has
put in the work, and everything, to | 0:14:06 | 0:14:12 | |
get that success we've had over the
last couple of weeks. You can see | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
the difference in their faces in
those interviews. Already, some big | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
changes been discussed looking ahead
but this will be a very hard pill | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
for England to swallow now. STUDIO:
It's interesting to hear that Giroud | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
didn't think that England were
outplayed by Australia are all the | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
time. If you had to pinpoint areas
where it went wrong for England, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
what would you say? To be honest,
throughout the series, England have | 0:14:35 | 0:14:42 | |
outplayed in most departments, there
has been a feeling that maybe there | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
was a gap in quality? More
aggression and more attack, and they | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
are quite a young side. While it
felt like it was the senior core of | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
the England side who quite simply
did not show up, like Moeen Ali, he | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
struggled with the bat. Stuart
Broad, he struggled with rhythm | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
throughout. And then in the absence
of the all-rounder Ben Stokes. Let's | 0:15:04 | 0:15:12 | |
hear from the England coach, Trevor
Bayliss. It has changed the dynamics | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
of our team, I certainly think that
the Australian team have been too | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
strong for us. Whether he is here or
not, the simple fact is that he | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
wasn't. The guys here, in the team,
they took that on board very early. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:31 | |
They haven't been whingeing about
not being here, they are getting on | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
without him. It certainly has been a
change to the setup we've had over | 0:15:36 | 0:15:43 | |
the last couple of years. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:49 | |
This is England's eighth defeat in
eight tests in Australia and their | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
seventh successive away defeat. An
early Christmas present for | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
Australia. England will have to come
back strong in Melbourne and Sydney | 0:15:56 | 0:16:02 | |
to avoid yet another whitewash. It
is looking that way, sadly, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:08 | |
annoyingly friends and fans. Thank
you. Good morning. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
Sexual abuse and harassment
in the music industry are "endemic". | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
That's what this programme has been
told, while investigating the issue. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
Over the past month we've spoken
to women who have been serious | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
sexually assaulted in the industry,
and who have been told to stay quiet | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
about the abuse they've suffered. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:26 | |
We've heard that there are dangerous
men at the top of the industry | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
who abuse their power -
and that often inappropriate | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
behavior goes unchallenged. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
Our reporter Jean Mackenzie, who's
been looking at this, is here now. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:42 | |
What have you learned? I have been
speaking to women across the | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
industry over the past month. It
became quite clear quickly that | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
there is a dark side to this
industry. One woman said it has a | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
dark underbelly. I had heard about a
range of behaviour, from general | 0:16:55 | 0:17:01 | |
cultural misogyny that exists that
can make it difficult for women to | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
work in, to more sinister behaviour,
things like serious harassment, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
assault, predatory behaviour. I have
spoken to women who have been | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
seriously sexually assaulted at
work. By people they work with. But | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
I have also learned that there is a
real feeling in this industry that | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
you have to be sexually available to
get ahead. Women being expected to | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
sleep with people or do certain
things to get opportunities. And if | 0:17:25 | 0:17:31 | |
they are not willing to do those
things, those opportunities can go | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
away. It is not just artists and
musicians. We are also talking about | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
people who work for a music
companies. It is not just women. It | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
is men as well who are vulnerable to
being exploited. There really is a | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
sense that everyone in this industry
has some sort of story to tell. Why | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
does the alleged abuse happen? This
is an industry in which there are | 0:17:51 | 0:17:58 | |
huge imbalances of power. You have
people at the top who will | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
absolutely -- wheeled absolutely
enormous power, who all people's | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
hopes and dreams in their hands, who
can make and break careers. At the | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
bottom we have people trying to
break into this industry, which is | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
fun, competitive and exciting.
People have said, where you -- when | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
you get that power dynamic you
create an environment where abuse | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
can happen. Not only that, you
create an environment where the | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
perpetrators can get away with it.
One of the things I have been so | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
struck by in doing this is the real
culture of silence that exists. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
People who are absolutely terrified
to talk about this. And that is not | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
just terrified to share their own
experiences. People don't even want | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
to say publicly that this is an
industry with a problem. There is a | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
real feeling that if you speak out,
you lose your job. You may never | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
work in the industry again because
it is a small industry. It is | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
entirely based on your reputation,
who you know. One woman said to me, | 0:18:55 | 0:19:01 | |
if you lose your reputation in this
industry, you have lost everything. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
I have spoken to women who will
never share their stories, who will | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
never mention to anybody what has
happened to them. But we did find | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
for women who had been prepared to
speak out. Some of them waved their | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
anonymity to tell their stories for
the first time. In the film we are | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
about to watch, there are some
sexually explicit references. There | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
are things you may find upsetting
and you may not want your children | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
to see.
It will last for about 30 minutes. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
-- 13. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
When I first started working
in the music industry, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
I was 21 years old, and I had just
moved to London from | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
Leeds. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:41 | |
I was working in the A and R
department in a major music company. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
It was very sociable, very fun,
there was a lot of alcohol. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
I went to gigs every
night, it was like my | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
dream come true job. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
Being signed at 16, I was just
fresh out of school, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
so I didn't really have a lot
of experience in the music industry, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
and it was sort of just
like a whirlwind. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
I remember the day that
I got my GCSE results, was like the | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
same day as I was going off
to meetings and, like, meeting big | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
label people up in London. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
So, I've always been
making music and writing | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
songs since very young,
and when I was about 13, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
I started putting them online. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
When I was 15, somebody e-mailed me,
from one of the really | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
big music companies in the UK. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
He said that he wanted
to help me, he | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
wanted to work with me. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:43 | |
I got a job in a recording
studio making | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
the tea And it was
the most fantastic job | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
ever, I loved it. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:48 | |
I worked really, really hard. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
I worked with amazing people
who were just, all men who | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
just looked after me and treated me
like a younger sister. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
I had a great time there
for a couple of years. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
But, I was, sort of,
a bit more ambitious than that. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
I wanted to run EMI
Records worldwide one day. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
And, lo and behold, I got offered
an incredible job abroad. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
Did you have negative experiences? | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
Can you talk me through one of them? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
When I was about 23 years
old, I went to a gig | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
like I did every night. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:26 | |
I went with a few friends from work. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
We met the manager of a couple of
artists that we were trying to sign. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
He started plying me with drinks,
and buying me shots. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
We ended up drinking quite a lot
and then going back to mine | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
to continue the night. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
He fell asleep on the sofa
and I went to bed. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:50 | |
I woke up in the middle
of the night, and he had | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
got into bed with me. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
And his fingers were inside me. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
He had lit all the
candles in my room. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
He acted like it wasn't a big
deal, but he did stop. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
But, I didn't know how long
he had been doing it | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
before I woke up. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:17 | |
He went back to sleep on the sofa
and in the morning he was gone. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
Added you feel when you woke
up and knew what was | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
happening? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:24 | |
It must have been hugely traumatic. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
It was one of the most horrible
experiences of my life. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
I felt truly violated, so I went
to work, and a very quietly | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
told people. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
I was encouraged to keep quiet
on the matter, because it | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
would hurt our chances
of signing his artist. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
He actually got away with assault. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
By the age of 16, Amy had started
working with the manager | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
of one of the UK's
largest music companies. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
She quickly became
a successful artist. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
We have changed her name
to protect her identity. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:55 | |
For the first few years
when we work together, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
were actually really good. | 0:22:58 | 0:22:59 | |
My music was getting attention
from labels, for the first time. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
We had chart success
with my first videos. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
And we were quite a good team,
until everything went wrong. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
What went wrong? | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
Well, he told me that he was
in love with me, and | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
that if I didn't agree
to be his girlfriend, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
then he would would ruin my career. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
I was 17 at this point. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
He was quite a few
years older than me, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
so I went along with it,
and | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
over the next two years,
he continued to blackmail me and | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
threaten me to be in a relationship. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:36 | |
For Chloe, success also
came at a young age. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
By 16, she had been signed
to a major record label, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
and soon after was nominated
for a Brit award. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
So, there was a guy that
I was working with within the | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
industry. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
We were working quite closely
together, and I was a teenager. | 0:23:52 | 0:24:02 | |
Slowly, as time went on,
he would sort of encourage me into | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
doing things that I had
never really done before. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
Drugs, I had no
experience in whatsoever. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:15 | |
There were times when
he would sort of drop | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
me off at my hotel, and then
he would text me and say, why didn't | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
And I would be like,
God, am I meant to | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
invite this person in
that I'm working with? | 0:24:24 | 0:24:33 | |
And then I would sort of feel like,
almost pressured to | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
flirt back with him, all too sort
of not make it seem weird. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
Because I didn't want
to disappoint this guy | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
who I thought held my
career in his hands. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
He started sending me texts,
one night, completely out of | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
the blue. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
Telling me that he was madly in love
with me, that if he wasn't | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
working with me, he would be
totally cracking onto me. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
I was 18, I remember one night he
grabbed my bum and said something | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
along the lines of, I feel that we
would have a really | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
good time in the sack.
And, I was a teenager. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
I was off my face. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:03 | |
I haven't come forward and spoken
about it, because I know | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
that people would have said,
you were off your face, you know. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
You are a flirt. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:10 | |
Or whatever it is. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:11 | |
And it did make me
feel very comfortable | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
and sort of ashamed,
because I would feel like, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
am I leading this guy on? | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
Am I letting this happen? | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
Am I meant to be letting it happen? | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
So, what's did your
relationship look like? | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
Being in the relationship was pretty
horrible because I had to | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
continuously act as
though the feelings | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
were mutual, because, if you saw any
signs that they weren't, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
then he would get very angry. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:41 | |
He made a list of all
the things that I | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
was and wasn't allowed to do. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
And, it had things
like showing him more | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
affection, talking to my friends
and family less, and making sure | 0:25:49 | 0:25:55 | |
that he was the person I talked
to be most in my life. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
He convinced me that he was the only
reason I was having any success. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
And that if I told anybody that
success would go away. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
And no one would
want to work with me | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
without him in the picture. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
In her 20s, Michelle
got her break, and | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
landed a job abroad,
working for a big music company. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
But, when she arrived,
she was told her work | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
permit had not come through,
and she had to stay With an older | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
more senior colleague. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
I'd only been there a few days
when small things happened. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:32 | |
He would walk into my room
with no clothes on. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
And then, one night,
he came into the room and | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
said that he wanted
to sleep with me. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
I mean, I was a young girl, and I
really didn't know how to handle | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
Them | 0:26:44 | 0:26:44 | |
this kind of thing, because I had
never come across this before. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
He would masturbate in front of me. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
He would masturbate on me. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
And say, I know you really like it. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
You must have been terrified. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
Oh, I felt ashamed, actually. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
I felt really ashamed. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:09 | |
I felt like a sex slave, actually. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
That's the best way to describe it. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
But, I found out, actually
who the immigration people | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
were that I needed to
speak to, and I rang | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
them up, and they said
that | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
they had my immigration papers
ready for several months. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
And, I got myself an
apartment, and I continued | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
working at the company
for several months. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
One day, I was with a girl
in the office, and we were told, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
could we go and see him after work? | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
So, we went up to his office, and
then he turned around to us both, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
took out his penis,
and said, "I want to | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
have a threesome with you.
Come on girls, let's do it." | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
We went to a lawyer,
and we were categorically | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
told that he had committed
a serious crime. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:58 | |
But, the lawyer said,
if you report this, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
you will never work
in the industry again. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:06 | |
So, we went for a coffee,
we handed in our notice, and | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
never went back to the office again. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
What happened to this man? | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
Where is he in the industry now? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
He is still in it, and I do know
for a fact that he has | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
had other allegations against him. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
Being a musician is all
that I ever wanted. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
For my whole life.
And it was finally happening. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
It should have been
the best time in my life, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
but it was actually
the worst time of my life. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
By now, Amy says her manager had
started to sexually assault her. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
I didn't want to survive any more,
because it was just a horrible life. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
I thought, I'm going to get
a nine to five job, and | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
I'll be banned from
the music industry. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:55 | |
But, I'd rather be banished
from doing what I love, than have to | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
spend any more time with this man. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
Looking back, do you think
that he groomed to? | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Yes, I do think he groomed me. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
I was 15 when we met,
and he was looking online for a girl | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
to manage. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:08 | |
It does worry me that he is still
working, and that this | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
might happen to somebody else. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:12 | |
From afar, I check up
on him to make sure | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
that he is not managing
other young girls. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
And, at the moment he isn't. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:28 | |
Jasmine put out a call asking women
to share their experiences of sexual | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
misconduct in the music industry. I
expected a stories of sexual | 0:29:32 | 0:29:37 | |
harassment. He wouldn't stop looking
at my boots or I got on wanted | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
compliments from him all the time.
But what I have actually received a | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
stories of rape, insisting on
receiving bludgeons, seriously | 0:29:46 | 0:29:52 | |
assaulting women, chasing them down
the street, raping them in | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
apartments. I thought, I'm going to
do this. It was a big thing for me | 0:29:54 | 0:30:04 | |
to do. And then I woke up in the
morning and my Facebook feed was | 0:30:04 | 0:30:09 | |
full of almost every other woman I
know in the music industry also | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
saying, mean to -- me, too. How
widespread you think this sort of | 0:30:12 | 0:30:18 | |
abuses? Probably more than we will
ever know because people like myself | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
are always going to be too scared to
come forward. And I think that's | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
what we need to change as an
industry and as a society. Sexual | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
assault and abuse in the music
industry is endemic. I don't have a | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
single peer in the music industry
who has never been sexually harassed | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
or assaulted. I know girls who have
been raped. And it's always a man in | 0:30:40 | 0:30:46 | |
power and a girl on the rise who
needs as much support as possible, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:53 | |
whose career hasn't started yet and
who maybe this is her first big | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
shot. I know that I'm very lucky to
have the experiences that I have | 0:30:58 | 0:31:05 | |
had, they haven't gone any further.
That sounds mad. What do you mean? | 0:31:05 | 0:31:11 | |
To say you are lucky. Yeah. It's
grossed out what I -- that I think | 0:31:11 | 0:31:19 | |
what happened to me is an easy ride.
It is sick that I think what's | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
happened to me is one of the good
stories. It should be nothing at | 0:31:23 | 0:31:28 | |
all. Michelle has gone on to a
successful career in music and is | 0:31:28 | 0:31:34 | |
now working in the film industry. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
Why have you decided to finally
speak about what has happened to | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
you? I never wanted to happen to
anyone again. I thought I was a | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
hangover of the 1980s, 1990s. I
thought that sort of behaviour was | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
no longer in the business but it is
clear that that behaviour is still | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
going on. Young women are being
sexually assaulted still today. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
There are some very dangerous men in
this business. Right at the top? | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
Yes. Currently? Yes, I have no doubt
that there are people working in the | 0:32:05 | 0:32:12 | |
music industry today who should not
be working in the music industry. I | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
have no doubt that there are people
working in the music industry today | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
who should be in prison. I have
absolutely no doubt that they think | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
that they are safe. That they think
that they are untouchable. Maybe | 0:32:23 | 0:32:29 | |
some of the horrific things they did
were a long time ago. They have | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
probably forgotten about them but I
can assure you that their victims | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
have not. A lot of people have come
to me and said, don't stick your | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
neck out on this. This could affect
your chances of getting work in | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
future. But if this is the hill I
die on, so be it. I am angry. Things | 0:32:44 | 0:32:51 | |
need to change. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:57 | |
UK Music, which represents
the industry told us "Any form | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
or abuse or harassment in the music
industry or any other workplace | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
or section of society should
never be tolerated." | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
More reaction to this
to come after ten. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
If you work in the music | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
industry do get in touch
and share your stories | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
with us this morning. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
You can do that anonymously, of
course. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
Still to come. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:21 | |
As senior Government Ministers meet
to discuss what the UK's future | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
relationship with the EU should be -
we'll ask what reception Theresa May | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
will get with her cabinet
still split on the issue. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
And with doctors warning
about the increased risk of people | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
dying early from heart attacks
and strokes by misusing | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
anabolic steroids, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:35 | |
we have a Newsbeat report
following one user. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:41 | |
Time for the latest
news with Annita. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:47 | |
The headlines on BBC News this
morning: | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
Theresa May is due to meet her
Brexit cabinet today to discuss | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
for the first time what the UK's
future relationship | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
with the EU should be. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:56 | |
The PM will later tell MPs the UK
wants to sign trade deals | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
during a transition period. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
EU leaders have agreed talks
can move on, including | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
to discuss a transition deal
for a post-Brexit period. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
Labour has raised concerns
that trade may not be | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
discussed for months. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:14 | |
Police in Beirut say they have
arrested a suspect as part | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
of the investigation into the murder
of a British embassy worker | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
whose body was found
by the side of a motorway. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
Rebecca Dykes was working
in the capital city | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
of Beirut for the Department
for International Development. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
It is thought she had been abducted
and strangled after leaving a party. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:34 | |
Tens of thousands of people may be
at increased risk of dying early | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
from heart attacks and strokes
by misusing anabolic steroids, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
according to doctors. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:41 | |
The British Cardiovascular Society
gave the warning amid concern | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
steroids are now being taken
by hundreds of thousands of people. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
Public health experts say men
in their teens and 20s | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
are behind the rise. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:54 | |
This programme has been told that
sexual abuse and harassment | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
in the music industry are "endemic". | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
Four women have spoken
about the serious assaults and rape | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
they suffered at the hands
of powerful men in the industry. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
One singer has spoken
about being groomed by her manager | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
at one of the biggest music
companies in the UK | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
when she was just 15 years old. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
The four time Olympic champion,
Sir Mo Farah, has won this year's | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
BBC Sports Personality of the Year. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:19 | |
Motorcyclist Jonathan Rea
was second, and paralympic sprinter, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
Jonnie Peacock, was third. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:22 | |
The pre-award favourite,
heavyweight world champ | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
Anthony Joshua finished
in fourth place. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:25 | |
But the result wasn't
the only unexpected event. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
When Sir Mo's victory was announced,
the link to his location | 0:35:27 | 0:35:33 | |
in London went down. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
Eventually the line
was established. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:42 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
Here's some sport now
with Holly Hamilton. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
good morning. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
Coming up in sport -
Australia crush England in the third | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
Test at the Waca to wrap up
the Ashes Series 3-0. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
England needed to bat throughout
the final day of the third Test | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
in Perth to force a draw -
and keep the series alive. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
But they lost the game
by an innings and 41 runs. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers
says their 69-game unbeaten domestic | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
run may never be surpassed
by another team after his side | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
were thrashed 4-0 at Hearts. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:18 | |
Manchester United manager
Jose Mourinho says his side | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
will "fight until the last match"
after they moved back to within 11 | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
points of Premier League leaders
Manchester City by beating West Brom | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
2-1. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
And European Champions Saracens look
like they'll now need | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
to try to reach the quarterfinals
as one of three best Pool runners-up | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
after losing 24-21 to group leaders
Clemont Auvergne in France. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:44 | |
More on all of those stories and
reaction to the Ashes result coming | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
up at ten o'clock. STUDIO: Holly,
thank you. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:54 | |
Theresa May is meeting
her Brexit cabinet - | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
about a dozen of her most senior
ministers - right now, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
to discuss for the first time
what the UK's future relationship | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
with the EU should be. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:03 | |
What kind of reception will she get
from a cabinet which appears | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
to contain some
splits on the issue? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:07 | |
That is a slight understatement! | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
Let's talk to Anushka Asthana,
the joint political | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
editor of The Guardian. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:12 | |
Hugh Bennett is Deputy Editor
at BrexitCentral and a veteran | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
of the Vote Leave campaign. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:19 | |
Dr Simon Usherwood is a politics
lecturer and deputy director of UK | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
in a Changing Europe,
a group of academics who do | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
independent analysis of the UK's
relationship with the EU. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
So, she has to get her cabinet to
agree to a united position, how | 0:37:29 | 0:37:34 | |
tricky is that going to be? I do not
think she will find it hard to get | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
them to a united position on what
their opening negotiation position | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
should be on the final trading
outcome. Basically, most of the | 0:37:43 | 0:37:49 | |
Cabinet will swing behind the Canada
plus plus plus agreement he called | 0:37:49 | 0:37:56 | |
it, an agreement with other services
added in. They agreed that is where | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
they should be aiming. There are
varied opinions on how realistic | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
that is and where we will land at
the end but there is a sticking | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
point over the question of
transition. Theresa May and Philip | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
Hammond have basically put out the
argument that things will stay the | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
same. After March 2019, things will
ultimately stay the same, or we will | 0:38:14 | 0:38:20 | |
lose our seat. Michael Gove
definitely does not agree, he thinks | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
there are particular things that
will come out, like the fisheries | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
policy, during transition. But a
sticking point. And you mean the | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
same rules and regulations that we,
as a member, followed now. And also | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
freedom of freedom of movement of
people? They talk about having the | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
same level of market access that
we've got now. How will you achieve | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
that? By following EU rules. There
will be a change in the registration | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
system that they will not ultimately
be bringing in their new immigration | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
system until transition. And you
probably read Boris Johnson's | 0:38:54 | 0:39:01 | |
interview yesterday, Hugh, he said
that we need to do something new and | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
ambitious that leaves zero tariffs
and frictionless trade but still | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
gives important freedom to decide
our own regulatory framework and | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
laws. Can we stay aligned with some
bits of the EU, and still strike | 0:39:10 | 0:39:17 | |
free trade deals with other
countries? It depends on the terms | 0:39:17 | 0:39:23 | |
of the deal that we agree. The thing
the UK has to be careful of is not | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
getting locked into legally binding
treaties, which forces alignment on | 0:39:27 | 0:39:32 | |
issues. Of course, we will not
diverged dramatically overnight from | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
the EU regulations, there are some
areas where the government, as | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
Theresa May said in her Florence
Beach, there are some areas where a | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
higher degree of alignment is better
but other areas where it is more in | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
our interest to divert but the key
is not getting locked in because we | 0:39:47 | 0:39:53 | |
do get locked in with some of these
things, particularly things like | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
agriculture which is a big part of
EU law, but also a big part of trade | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
deals done around the world. If we
are bound to follow EU agriculture | 0:39:59 | 0:40:04 | |
laws to closely it can harm our
ability to do proper trade deals | 0:40:04 | 0:40:11 | |
with others around the world. If
Britain diverged totally, Simon, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:16 | |
with they impose tariffs and other
barriers? The question is, does it | 0:40:16 | 0:40:22 | |
diverged from the framework that
you've got? The EU would like to | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
keep us close in alignment, but any
divergences raises questions of what | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
sanctions or penalties the EU could
impose. You have real tension | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
between wanting to have flexibility
but also not wanting to impose | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
barriers with your existing
relations. The balance of that, I | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
think, is something that is not
clear how you make it work, I knew | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
the site. They both say that they
want a good and close relationship | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
but how you make that work in
practice, I think, really is not | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
clear. What is the reaction to the
EU's chief negotiator on Brexit, | 0:40:54 | 0:41:01 | |
Michel Barnier, saying in an
interview that there will not be a | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
bespoke deal for Britain, and that
is not what Britain once? The | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
reaction to that is, hang on, that
is their negotiating position, we | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
have ours, we do not assume that is
the outcome but a lot of experts | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
would say, who knew that we would be
talking about regulator Lou | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
alignment for a couple of years? But
many would see it is hard to break | 0:41:21 | 0:41:28 | |
away from a deal -- regulatory
alignment for a couple of years? Do | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
we want an economy like Norway or
one like Canada? When you get to | 0:41:30 | 0:41:35 | |
that point, there are divisions
across Parliament and also within | 0:41:35 | 0:41:43 | |
the Conservative Party. What will
the next couple of years be like, in | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
till March 2019? It will feel like
ten years! Judging from negotiation | 0:41:46 | 0:41:52 | |
so far it will feel like there is a
lot going on but the next key battle | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
is the transition. As for the EU
wants to talk about next. Obviously, | 0:41:55 | 0:42:01 | |
Theresa May has competing interests,
Brexiteers are slightly | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
uncomfortable about the idea that
transition is just going to be | 0:42:05 | 0:42:10 | |
staying in the customs union or the
single market. How do you feel about | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
that? I don't think it is ideal but
it does look like we are going to go | 0:42:13 | 0:42:22 | |
down that route. I think the most
important thing is to secure these | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
concessions that she is talking
about and we are expecting her to | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
talk about later today in the
Commons. In securing an ability for | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
Britain to sign trade deals in this
period. Michael Gove wants to come | 0:42:34 | 0:42:39 | |
out the common fisheries policy, we
may not be able to get a different | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
agreement on the overall
architecture of the transition | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
period. But on things that are not
essential, like frictionless trade | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
in the transitional period, that's
the approach. In trade deals with | 0:42:50 | 0:42:56 | |
other countries, I think it might be
symbolic rather than substantive, | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
these are complicated deals. A lot
of other countries will not want to | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
conclude a deal until we know what
the relationship with the EU is. We | 0:43:04 | 0:43:11 | |
will see a lot of debate in the
remainder of these negotiations | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
about what is actually meaningful
and what might be more about things | 0:43:15 | 0:43:21 | |
to take home and show that we have
won a victory in negotiations. There | 0:43:21 | 0:43:26 | |
is still a lot on the table, despite
what we've agreed last week. OK, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:31 | |
thank you all. Thank you for coming
in. We appreciate it. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:38 | |
Coming up, we speak
to the 22-year-old student whose | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
rape trial collapsed
after detectives failed | 0:43:40 | 0:43:41 | |
to disclose vital evidence. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:45 | |
Liam Allan on this
programme after 10.30. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:50 | |
He is here with his mum. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
Tens of thousands of people may be
putting themselves at increased risk | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
of dying early from heart attacks
and strokes because they're | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
mis-using anabolic steroids. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
British heart doctors have issued
the stark warning amid concern | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
steroids are now being used
by a growing number of people, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
particularly young men,
in pursuit of what they see | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
as the perfect body. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
Steroids are legal to use and legal
to possess across the UK - | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
but illegal to supply
unless you're a doctor. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
Radio 1 Newsbeat's Daniel
Whitworth reports. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:26 | |
The way people chase the dream
of their perfect body is changing. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
The pressure men are now facing
is similar to what women have had | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
to deal with for decades. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:33 | |
Diets, workouts, days
spent in the gym. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
For many, young men especially,
anabolic steroids are being | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
increasingly used to help
achieve that dream. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:44 | |
In this film, I'm going to find out
from one user why he takes them | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
and put him through a series
of tests to see what damage, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
if any, they have done to his body. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
I'll hear from the experts,
look at the law surrounding | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
steroid use in the UK,
and speak to a dealer | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
about why he does it. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
Gareth Jenkins, who's 29 and lives
just outside of Cardiff, | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
is one of the estimated hundreds
of thousands of people who regularly | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
take anabolic steroids
to build muscle. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
I've been using steroids
for about four, five years. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
When you train naturally,
which I have done for number | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
of years before using
steroids, you tire quicker. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
You ache more. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
And obviously, when you use
the performance-enhancing drug | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
which is the steroid,
you don't come you don't have | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
those muscle soreness
anywhere near as much. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
I feel more awake. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:39 | |
I feel better in myself. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:40 | |
I feel more manly. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:41 | |
I've got a higher sex drive. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
There are some serious potential
risks you are running from a medical | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
perspective about using steroids,
things like increased | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
risk of heart attacks,
increased risk of strokes, | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
mood swings, infertility. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:55 | |
Do those things not worry you? | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
The way I look at it is, yes,
they do bother me, obviously, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
but, like, everything... | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
So you're aware of the risks? | 0:46:02 | 0:46:03 | |
I'm fully aware. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:04 | |
And the consequences? | 0:46:04 | 0:46:05 | |
Fully aware, yeah. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:06 | |
I've done my research to see
obviously what harm or potential | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
harm it would have on me over
a prolonged period of time | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
if I was using them,
whether I was using them correctly | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
or incorrectly but the fact
of the matter is in terms | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
of the risks, is everything
that we do in life now carries | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
a risk of heart attack,
cancer, whatever it is. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
So whatever it is, I'm going to get
those risks anyway so I choose not | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
to do certain things and I choose
this as my lifestyle instead. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
So whereas I don't go out drinking
and smoking, I take steroids. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:35 | |
Steroids can cause health problems
because they create an imbalance | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
of hormones in the body which can
damage many organs but | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
especially the heart. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
Garreth says he tries
to minimise any risk | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
by taking his steroids in cycles,
like 16 weeks on and | 0:46:45 | 0:46:53 | |
then eight weeks off. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:54 | |
There's two types of steroid. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:55 | |
There is one which comes
in a liquid form, which is | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
an intramuscular injection. | 0:46:58 | 0:46:58 | |
That is this type. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
So you inject that? | 0:47:00 | 0:47:01 | |
I would inject this directly
into a muscle two times a week. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
And then the other type
is in tablet form. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
When I'm using this type
of steroid, I would use five | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
per day for seven days. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
So basically, five
per day, every day. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
So over the course of a period
of around six months | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
when you on steroids for that long,
roughly how much do | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
you think you spent? | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
At a rough estimate,
probably with the cycle itself | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
and the post-course treatment,
would be about £500, I suspect. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
That's a lot of money.
It is. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
It's probably a lot less in six
months than somebody who is spending | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
it on drink on a weekend. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:33 | |
Worth it, do you think? | 0:47:33 | 0:47:34 | |
For me personally, yeah. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:38 | |
When it comes to the law
on anabolic steroids, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
it is legal to use them and legal
to possess them right across the UK. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
What is illegal, though,
is supplying them, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
unless you are a doctor,
and that means either selling them | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
or just passing them on for free. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
If caught, you could face up
to 14 years in prison. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
Because Gareth is only
using steroids, not supplying them, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
he's not in any trouble
with the law. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
It could be a different story
with his health, though. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
So later this week, he's agreed
to go to London for a series | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
of tests that will find out
what damage, if any, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
he's done to his heart. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
Keep your throat still. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
I basically starting working out
because I was bullied really | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
bad when I was younger,
for being small and basically just | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
a feral child of the school. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:32 | |
So I just ended up locking
myself away in the gym, | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
training and getting
bigger and stronger. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
Getting inked. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
It all sort of fell into one big
procedure, that I seem to be | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
doing in a lifestyle
way, pretty much. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
Yeah, in the middle
there is not nice. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
The rest of it is fine so far. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:50 | |
So going down to London to have
all those tests done, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:55 | |
which I'm excited about,
to be honest with you, | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
yet slightly nervous
because obviously, it could come | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
back that there is something
significantly wrong and if I don't | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
change my lifestyle, then... | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
Obviously, I could
have health issues. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:11 | |
My prediction is that I think
I would be pretty stupid | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
if I thought that my heart wouldn't
have changed, you know, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:21 | |
four or five years, with the use
of any performance enhancing drug | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
that is anabolic, it is going
to have that effect. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
So I think if it hasn't,
then what I have been taking is fake | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
and I've done it naturally. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
So... | 0:49:32 | 0:49:33 | |
LAUGHTER. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
And obviously, if it is significant,
there will be no doubt in my mind | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
that I will obviously
change my lifestyle overnight. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:44 | |
Whether people use or abuse anabolic
steroids is a matter of opinion. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
For some in the medical world,
if steroids are not prescribed | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
by a doctor, then it is simple. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
Taking them is of use. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:58 | |
-- abuse. | 0:49:58 | 0:49:59 | |
Many people who researched dosages
and try to minimise the risks, | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
though, would say they don't abuse
them but instead use them. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
One thing that is widely agreed on,
though, is that the issue is now | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
affecting more people
than ever before. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
We don't know the exact number
of anabolic steroid users | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
there are but it certainly measures
in the hundreds of thousands. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:21 | |
We are seeing now a different
population of users. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
While we still have people
who are using them for the purpose | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
of body-building, we are seeing
a new population of predominantly | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
young males but also quite
older males as well, | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
who are using them purely
for cosmetic purposes. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:38 | |
There's a number of pressures
on young men and most | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
of these pressures | 0:50:41 | 0:50:42 | |
were not around a generation ago. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:43 | |
These are things like social media. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
Mainstream advertising, even. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:46 | |
If ever you see a man with his shirt
off, then chances are they will have | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
quite a well-defined physique. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
Again, males may not be geared up
to dealing with this. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
This is something that
women have had to deal | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
with for generations, but this
is quite a new thing for men. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:03 | |
For Gareth, he is about to undergo
a series of tests which will check | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
what damage, if any,
he's done to his heart. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
The person in charge is cardiology
doctor, Anil Malhotra. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:14 | |
We are going to do
three tests today. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
Yeah. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:17 | |
The first is to look at
the electoral activity of the heart. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
The second is to look
at the heart muscle itself. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
Yeah. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:23 | |
And the third is to actually
exercise your heart and we will see | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
how you have performed. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:27 | |
Right. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:28 | |
Is that all right? | 0:51:28 | 0:51:29 | |
Yeah, no problem. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:30 | |
NHS guidelines say that
by taking anabolic steroids, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
Gareth is risking side-effects
like infertility, mood swings | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
and even heart attack and stroke. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:40 | |
This is the sound of
the blood flowing across | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
the valves of your heart. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:44 | |
We are just assessing how quickly
the blood flows through the valve | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
and we are able to see
whether there is any | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
narrowing of the valve
or any leakages as well. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:54 | |
I suspect that they will show
some form of thickness | 0:51:54 | 0:51:59 | |
or abnormality to the heart. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
It is bound to have changed
in some way after four | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
or five years of taking
a performance enhancing drug. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
The British cardiovascular Society
says tens of thousands of people | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
could be putting themselves
at increased risks of the most | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
serious side-effects
by taking anabolic steroids. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:20 | |
I am cycling towards a cheesecake. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
And I'll get there! | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
Billionaire's cheesecake
on the horizon. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
Let's get there. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:33 | |
After pushing himself to the limit,
Gareth will be able to find out | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
how his heart has performed
and what effect his | 0:52:36 | 0:52:38 | |
steroid users had. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:39 | |
With hundreds of thousands of people
now thought to be taking | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
steroids every year,
right across the UK, | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
clearly they are getting
them from somewhere. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
But government figures show that
for the whole of 2015 and 2016, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:54 | |
right across England and Wales,
there were just 25 convictions | 0:52:54 | 0:52:59 | |
relating to the illegal supply
of steroids and just seven of those | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
ended with a prison sentence. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
So for this man, who spoke
on condition of anonymity, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
the law hasn't come close
to stopping him from dealing. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:14 | |
We know you supply steroids. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:20 | |
We know you're a steroid dealer. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
Obviously, it is illegal. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:23 | |
You are breaking the law. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:24 | |
A lot of people say
you are putting people's | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
lives, their health,
certainly, at risk. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:27 | |
What do you say to that? | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
To start off with the health risks,
I think steroids are readily | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
available to anyone who wants
to access them at the moment. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:39 | |
I like to see myself
as more of somebody | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
who provides information. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:42 | |
You know, to ensure
people can do it safely. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
Look, people are going to use them
regardless of whether they buy them | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
from me or whether they buy them
from an unknown source online. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
But if they can talk
to me about it, then, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
how to inject themselves safely,
or look at dosages or if I can help | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
them, even if not to take steroids,
if I don't think it is appropriate | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
for them, then I will. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:01 | |
That is the reason I try to, that is
the reason I'm involved in it. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
Who are the types of people
getting them from you? | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
Who is coming to you
for these steroids? | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
There's a very broad spectrum
of people that use steroids. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
It ranges from young guys,
18 years old, 19, 20, | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
who are just starting out
in their training and they are | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
looking to bulk up for maybe
a summer holiday or to look good. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
For a summer holiday? | 0:54:19 | 0:54:20 | |
For a summer holiday or they just
want to attract the girls. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
They want to go out on a night out
and attract the girls. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
These are the guys
that are less aware. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
These are the guys you have
to be more informative | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
when you talk to them about it,
make them more aware | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
of the risks and dangers. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:34 | |
If you go to an Instagram
page and there is a guy | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
on there who looks a certain way
and he has got 300,000 likes, | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
women commenting on him,
saying, "You look amazing, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
you look this or that". | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
Because he's well built? | 0:54:44 | 0:54:45 | |
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the guys
are going, "Oh, you look really | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
buff, your arms are huge",
all that sort of stuff. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
They're the comments that
you will see and these young guys | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
feel pressured to try to strive
to achieve that. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
Even ten years ago, before
social media was around, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
you were only judged by your peers,
the people that you | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
knew and that he met. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:01 | |
What about the health
of the people who you are | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
supplying these drugs do? | 0:55:03 | 0:55:04 | |
They convey things like infertility,
mood swings, they can | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
face getting strokes,
decades earlier than the average | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
am a heart attacks. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:09 | |
It is illegal for a reason. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
Yeah. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:12 | |
But I don't agree with it
being illegal because I will tell | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
you that doctors prescribed
testosterone to people. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:16 | |
So there's a reason... | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
You are not a doctor. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
No, no, I'm saying that doctors
prescribe it so steroids | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
or testosterone in this example,
if it was killing people left, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
right and centre, they would not be
prescribing it and I think | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
the media sensationalises it. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
I'm going to tell you now,
there are people that abuse steroids | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
and they do damage their health
and that is their choice. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:39 | |
One man who is all too aware
of the risks of taking steroids | 0:55:39 | 0:55:44 | |
he has got on the black market
is Gareth and after using them | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
for nearly five years,
he is about to find out the effect | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
they have had on his heart. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
Take a seat. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
We can go over your results. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:57 | |
So I have got your ECG tracing
and I have seen your Echo report | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
and the reports from the exercise
test as well. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:04 | |
What it shows is that your
heart is working well. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
Right. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
And that's... | 0:56:09 | 0:56:17 | |
You have come through your
exercise test well as well. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
Yeah. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:20 | |
But we do think that
you are at the upper limit of normal | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
in terms of the thickness
of the wall of your heart | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
and that is most likely due
to your weightlifting | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
and your steroid use. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:29 | |
Yeah. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:30 | |
You are still young and you have not
been using steroids for that long | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
but if one does continue to do so,
then you are putting yourself | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
at increased risk of heart attacks
and potentially strokes as well. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
Yeah. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:40 | |
You know, steroid use has a variety
of bad effects on the heart. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:45 | |
I class myself as quite
a sensible person. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:50 | |
Taking my own health
into account that it | 0:56:50 | 0:56:51 | |
will just be sensible,
being the key word, do not push | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
the boundary to the point
where something is not reversible. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:59 | |
So to not keep using steroids? | 0:56:59 | 0:57:00 | |
To not keep using steroids, yeah. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
All for the better. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:03 | |
Cheaper, too! | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
It looks like Gareth's steroid days
might be numbered but he is just one | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
of hundreds of thousands of users. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
Dealers are unlikely to get caught. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:13 | |
The number of convictions
for supply is low. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
Doctors want change. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:25 | |
Worried about potential long-term
health problems for users. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
So is change on the way? | 0:57:27 | 0:57:28 | |
Well, we do know that the group that
advises the government on drug | 0:57:28 | 0:57:32 | |
misuse is in the middle of a big
review into steroids. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
We don't know yet what
it is going to say. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
Much more on that to come on radio 1
newsbeat and you can read about it | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
on the site bbc.co.uk/newsbeat. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:45 | |
Latest news and sport at ten.
Now Matt | 0:57:49 | 0:57:52 | |
Latest news and sport at ten.
Now Matt with the weather. Good | 0:57:52 | 0:57:53 | |
morning. A big travel week for many.
The weather may play a part. This | 0:57:53 | 0:58:02 | |
morning there was some mist and fog
around Glasgow, Manchester and | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
Birmingham. For most, the start of
the working week looks like this. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:10 | |
Frost on the ground, sunny skies
overhead. For most, the Sunnis guys | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
will last all day. Thicker cloud for
the far north of Scotland. Here is | 0:58:15 | 0:58:22 | |
where it will be a great day.
Elsewhere, barely a breath of wind. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:28 | |
That means the fog will be slowly
shifting. Sunny skies throughout. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:38 | |
Temperatures only slowly lifting.
Still a little on the chilly side | 0:58:38 | 0:58:42 | |
today in the north and east. In the
West, temperatures will climb. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:48 | |
Particularly across the Hebrides. 10
degrees in Stornoway. The wind, | 0:58:48 | 0:58:51 | |
cloud and occasional rain is the
price to pay. Sitting on the hills | 0:58:51 | 0:59:00 | |
of northern Ireland and Scotland,
some fog. A widespread -- widespread | 0:59:00 | 0:59:07 | |
frost in southern England. If you
are on the move tomorrow morning, | 0:59:07 | 0:59:11 | |
there could be some problems on the
roads. Also at the airports. | 0:59:11 | 0:59:16 | |
Particularly the Midlands, East
Anglia and the South of England. | 0:59:16 | 0:59:20 | |
Dense and widespread fog throughout
the rush hour. That will be slow to | 0:59:20 | 0:59:24 | |
shift. It could affect some major
airports. Check with your travel | 0:59:24 | 0:59:28 | |
company before you head out. That
fog will linger for a good part of | 0:59:28 | 0:59:32 | |
the day. There will be some good
sunny breaks. Sunshine breaking | 0:59:32 | 0:59:37 | |
through the cloud for north-east
Scotland. Part of Antrim, north-east | 0:59:37 | 0:59:42 | |
England, too. Otherwise, cloudier in
the West. Patchy rain or drizzle on | 0:59:42 | 0:59:46 | |
the hills. If you do get the
sunshine, 14, 15 degrees possible in | 0:59:46 | 0:59:51 | |
the Moray Firth. Three or 4 degrees
were the fog lingers. Into Tuesday | 0:59:51 | 1:00:00 | |
night, the rain spreads across
Scotland and Northern Ireland, | 1:00:00 | 1:00:04 | |
allowing clearer conditions and
brighter weather for the middle part | 1:00:04 | 1:00:06 | |
of the week. Freddie Gray in England
and Wales. Not a huge amount of | 1:00:06 | 1:00:13 | |
sunshine. Dense fog here and there.
Overall it will be a mild day. | 1:00:13 | 1:00:18 | |
Patchy rain and drizzle into
Northern England, North and West | 1:00:18 | 1:00:22 | |
Wales. This week and not a huge
amount of rain. If you are on the | 1:00:22 | 1:00:26 | |
move, keep across the forecast.
Light winds could lead to some dense | 1:00:26 | 1:00:30 | |
fog. | 1:00:30 | 1:00:31 | |
Hello, it's Monday,
it's ten o'clock. | 1:00:35 | 1:00:37 | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 1:00:37 | 1:00:39 | |
This morning: claims that sexual
abuse and harassment is "endemic" | 1:00:39 | 1:00:41 | |
in the music industry,
with "dangerous men" | 1:00:41 | 1:00:43 | |
abusing their power. | 1:00:43 | 1:00:51 | |
Young women are being sexually
assaulted. Still, today. There are | 1:00:51 | 1:00:57 | |
some very dangerous men in this
business. Right at the top? Yes. | 1:00:57 | 1:01:02 | |
Currently? Yes. We hear stories from
other women in the industry. | 1:01:02 | 1:01:12 | |
And - after a 22-year-old student's
rape trial collapsed | 1:01:12 | 1:01:14 | |
after detectives failed
to disclose vital evidence. | 1:01:14 | 1:01:19 | |
Text and WhatsApp messages that
proved his innocence, he tells the | 1:01:19 | 1:01:23 | |
programme that he wants an apology.
We will hear from Liam Allan after | 1:01:23 | 1:01:27 | |
10:30am. | 1:01:27 | 1:01:30 | |
Also on the programme -
he was one of the last men | 1:01:30 | 1:01:33 | |
to be hanged in Britain,
convicted of murdering a man who had | 1:01:33 | 1:01:36 | |
been his best friend,
but was Gwynne Owen Evans a victim | 1:01:36 | 1:01:38 | |
of a miscarriage of justice? | 1:01:38 | 1:01:39 | |
We will bring the story in the next
30 minutes. | 1:01:39 | 1:01:44 | |
Time for the latest
news with Annita. | 1:01:44 | 1:01:49 | |
Theresa May is due to meet her
Brexit cabinet today to discuss | 1:01:49 | 1:01:52 | |
for the first time what the UK's
future relationship | 1:01:52 | 1:01:54 | |
with the EU should be. | 1:01:54 | 1:02:00 | |
The PM will later tell MPs the UK
wants to sign trade deals | 1:02:00 | 1:02:03 | |
during a transition period. | 1:02:03 | 1:02:04 | |
EU leaders have agreed talks
can move on, including | 1:02:04 | 1:02:06 | |
to discuss a transition deal
for a post-Brexit period. | 1:02:06 | 1:02:08 | |
Labour has raised concerns
that trade may not be | 1:02:08 | 1:02:18 | |
discussed for months. | 1:02:20 | 1:02:21 | |
Police in Beirut say they have
arrested a suspect as part | 1:02:21 | 1:02:24 | |
of the investigation into the murder
of a British embassy worker | 1:02:24 | 1:02:27 | |
whose body was found
by the side of a motorway. | 1:02:27 | 1:02:29 | |
Rebecca Dykes was working
in the capital city | 1:02:29 | 1:02:31 | |
of Beirut for the Department
for International Development. | 1:02:31 | 1:02:33 | |
It is thought she had been abducted
and strangled after leaving a party. | 1:02:33 | 1:02:36 | |
Tens of thousands of people may be
at increased risk of dying early | 1:02:36 | 1:02:39 | |
from heart attacks and strokes
by misusing anabolic steroids, | 1:02:39 | 1:02:41 | |
according to doctors. | 1:02:41 | 1:02:50 | |
The British Cardiovascular Society
gave the warning amid concern | 1:02:50 | 1:02:52 | |
steroids are now being taken
by hundreds of thousands of people. | 1:02:52 | 1:02:54 | |
Public health experts say men
in their teens and 20s | 1:02:54 | 1:02:57 | |
are behind the rise. | 1:02:57 | 1:03:00 | |
This programme has been told that
sexual abuse and harassment | 1:03:00 | 1:03:02 | |
in the music industry are "endemic". | 1:03:02 | 1:03:04 | |
Four women have spoken
about the serious assaults and rape | 1:03:04 | 1:03:06 | |
they suffered at the hands
of powerful men in the industry. | 1:03:06 | 1:03:09 | |
One singer has spoken
about being groomed by her manager | 1:03:09 | 1:03:12 | |
at one of the biggest music
companies in the UK | 1:03:12 | 1:03:14 | |
when she was just 15 years old. | 1:03:14 | 1:03:24 | |
The family of a taxi driver
who was among six people killed | 1:03:24 | 1:03:27 | |
in a road accident in Birmingham
yesterday, have described him | 1:03:27 | 1:03:29 | |
as "happy" and "loving". | 1:03:29 | 1:03:30 | |
Imtiaz Mohammed and his two
passengers all died, | 1:03:30 | 1:03:32 | |
alongside three men in another car. | 1:03:32 | 1:03:33 | |
Crash investigators
are trying to piece together | 1:03:33 | 1:03:35 | |
what caused the pile-up. | 1:03:35 | 1:03:41 | |
Two adults and a child being treated
in hospital after a fire broke out | 1:03:41 | 1:03:46 | |
at a 5-star hotel on the banks of
Loch Lomond. 12 appliances are at | 1:03:46 | 1:03:50 | |
the scene and crews are in the
building, fighting the blaze. That's | 1:03:50 | 1:03:54 | |
the summary of the latest BBC News,
more at half past ten. | 1:03:54 | 1:03:59 | |
Some breaking news, the Queen has
approved the nomination of the Right | 1:03:59 | 1:04:04 | |
Reverend Sarah Mullally as the new
Bishop of London. Downing Street | 1:04:04 | 1:04:09 | |
have just announced that, that makes
her the most senior woman in the | 1:04:09 | 1:04:12 | |
church. Our religious affairs
correspondent Martin Bashir is here, | 1:04:12 | 1:04:16 | |
tell us about this woman and why it
is so historic? A historic moment | 1:04:16 | 1:04:22 | |
for women, 25 years after the first
woman priest, when the General Synod | 1:04:22 | 1:04:28 | |
announced in 1992 that women could
become priests, a woman has risen to | 1:04:28 | 1:04:32 | |
what people describe as the holy
trinity of the hierarchy of the | 1:04:32 | 1:04:35 | |
Church of England. Sarah Mullally
has been appointed this morning, the | 1:04:35 | 1:04:41 | |
announcement was made by Downing
Street. She is a former nurse, and | 1:04:41 | 1:04:46 | |
she rose to become the director of
nursing in the Department of Health | 1:04:46 | 1:04:50 | |
in 1999. She is actually, she
actually had a formidable career in | 1:04:50 | 1:04:57 | |
the NHS and decided to train
part-time theologically, she did it | 1:04:57 | 1:05:00 | |
in her own time and was ordained in
2001. She continued to practice in | 1:05:00 | 1:05:06 | |
the Department of Health but also
part-time in the church. Eventually | 1:05:06 | 1:05:10 | |
went full-time in 2004. She was
appointed Bishop of credit and just | 1:05:10 | 1:05:16 | |
in 2015. It's a meteoric rise but
hugely significant for issues of | 1:05:16 | 1:05:21 | |
equality within the Church of
England. What do we know about her | 1:05:21 | 1:05:26 | |
views on controversial issues like
gay marriage, for example? She has | 1:05:26 | 1:05:32 | |
not publicly expressed a view that
is different to the Church of | 1:05:32 | 1:05:35 | |
England. She has been on the
National safeguarding steering group | 1:05:35 | 1:05:40 | |
which, as you know, has been
responsible for looking at the | 1:05:40 | 1:05:43 | |
church's management of child sexual
abuse and on Friday I reported a | 1:05:43 | 1:05:48 | |
situation involving Bishop George
Bell, who was wrongly accused | 1:05:48 | 1:05:54 | |
posthumously of abuse and the church
had to make an apology. She is on | 1:05:54 | 1:05:57 | |
the steering group. When you become
Bishop of London, you also receive | 1:05:57 | 1:06:03 | |
the title of Dean of the Chapels
Royal, they are unique institutions | 1:06:03 | 1:06:09 | |
which do not have a Bishop
overseeing them but the moniker. St | 1:06:09 | 1:06:13 | |
George 's Chapel in Windsor and
Westminster Abbey. We know that in | 1:06:13 | 1:06:19 | |
May that is going to be a rather
special wedding and it might be | 1:06:19 | 1:06:23 | |
possible, I'm not certain, but it
may be possible that she presides at | 1:06:23 | 1:06:27 | |
the wedding of Prince Harry to
Meghan Markle. That would be a | 1:06:27 | 1:06:31 | |
hugely significant event or so.
Martin, thank you. Let me read you | 1:06:31 | 1:06:36 | |
some comments which have come in
from you, having watched our film | 1:06:36 | 1:06:40 | |
about claims of sexual abuse and
harassment within the music | 1:06:40 | 1:06:43 | |
industry. Our investigation has
effectively shown that kind of | 1:06:43 | 1:06:49 | |
behaviour is endemic. April on
Twitter said, if we all shared our | 1:06:49 | 1:06:53 | |
experiences of the music industry
online, most of my female friends | 1:06:53 | 1:06:57 | |
would be sued. It is endemic. Those
attackers believe that they are | 1:06:57 | 1:07:02 | |
untouchable. Gordon, on Twitter,
says that he is sickened by what you | 1:07:02 | 1:07:05 | |
have discovered in the music
industry. The dark side. Nick says, | 1:07:05 | 1:07:12 | |
trust me, it isn't just women being
raped by men, myself and my old lead | 1:07:12 | 1:07:16 | |
guitarist were forced into a sexual
situation with a 45-year-old woman | 1:07:16 | 1:07:20 | |
to get an interview with a label.
She plied us with cannabis and | 1:07:20 | 1:07:24 | |
alcohol. Until we were not
ourselves. If you are getting in | 1:07:24 | 1:07:31 | |
touch with those, you are welcome.
If you prefer, you can remain | 1:07:31 | 1:07:35 | |
anonymous.
Use the hashtag or send us an e-mail | 1:07:35 | 1:07:38 | |
or use WhatsApp, or you can leave us
a message on | 1:07:38 | 1:07:41 | |
Here's some sport now
with Holly Hamilton. | 1:07:41 | 1:07:44 | |
The bringer of bad news, I am
afraid! | 1:07:44 | 1:07:46 | |
Australia have crushed England
in the third Test at the Waca | 1:07:46 | 1:07:49 | |
to wrap up the Ashes Series 3-0. | 1:07:49 | 1:07:51 | |
The visitors needed to bat
throughout the final day | 1:07:51 | 1:07:53 | |
of the third Test in Perth to force
a draw - and keep the series alive. | 1:07:53 | 1:07:57 | |
But they lost their remaining
six wickets in 34 overs | 1:07:57 | 1:07:59 | |
to be bowled out for 218. | 1:07:59 | 1:08:00 | |
They lost the game by
an innings and 41 runs. | 1:08:00 | 1:08:03 | |
Captain Joe Root admits the result
is "hard to take" but they'd carry | 1:08:03 | 1:08:06 | |
on fighting in the two remaining
Tests. | 1:08:06 | 1:08:13 | |
It is bitterly disappointing. One of
the most frustrating things is that | 1:08:13 | 1:08:17 | |
we haven't been blown away. We have
not been completely outplayed. We | 1:08:17 | 1:08:22 | |
have put up some really good
performances, just not for long | 1:08:22 | 1:08:26 | |
enough, as simple as that, really.
In all three games there have been | 1:08:26 | 1:08:30 | |
periods when we have matched and
outplayed Australia put those key | 1:08:30 | 1:08:34 | |
moments within the game, credit to
the guys on this side, they have | 1:08:34 | 1:08:41 | |
grasped bows and driven home. We
will learn from that and make sure | 1:08:41 | 1:08:45 | |
in these last two games, it is | 1:08:45 | 1:08:49 | |
us but does it. It has been an
amazing couple of weeks. I have | 1:08:49 | 1:08:52 | |
really enjoyed every moment of it.
We have put in so much hard work | 1:08:52 | 1:09:00 | |
that the preparation and everything
that has come with the series, it | 1:09:00 | 1:09:03 | |
has been huge. We've been able to
get that back. All of the emotions | 1:09:03 | 1:09:12 | |
came out at once, I am so pleased
and happy for the group. | 1:09:12 | 1:09:25 | |
So a bitter pill for
England to swallow - | 1:09:25 | 1:09:27 | |
I think Joe Root's face says
it all there.. | 1:09:27 | 1:09:30 | |
England will have to dust themselves
off now and come back strong - | 1:09:30 | 1:09:33 | |
still two tests to go Victoria. | 1:09:33 | 1:09:34 | |
Thank you. Good morning. | 1:09:34 | 1:09:40 | |
A group of women working across the
music industry have told us that | 1:09:40 | 1:09:44 | |
sexual harassment is prominent. We
have heard from artists and | 1:09:44 | 1:09:47 | |
musicians, as well as women working
for music companies who have | 1:09:47 | 1:09:51 | |
recounted incidents of serious abuse
and assault. Some are collecting | 1:09:51 | 1:09:55 | |
evidence and to uncover how
widespread this behaviour is within | 1:09:55 | 1:09:58 | |
the sector. Reggie McKenzie has
shown some of those stories. Before | 1:09:58 | 1:10:06 | |
we show this film, we should say
that it does contain graphic sexual | 1:10:06 | 1:10:11 | |
descriptions. -- Jean McKenzie. | 1:10:11 | 1:10:19 | |
When Amy was 15, she was contacted
by a manager from one of the UK's | 1:10:19 | 1:10:22 | |
largest music companies. | 1:10:22 | 1:10:23 | |
They started working together
and she quickly became | 1:10:23 | 1:10:25 | |
a successful artist. | 1:10:25 | 1:10:26 | |
Soon after, she says,
everything went wrong. | 1:10:26 | 1:10:28 | |
He told me that he was in love
with me and that if I didn't agree | 1:10:28 | 1:10:32 | |
to be his girlfriend,
then he would ruin my career. | 1:10:32 | 1:10:34 | |
Over the next two years,
he continued to blackmail me | 1:10:34 | 1:10:37 | |
and threatened me to be
in a relationship. | 1:10:37 | 1:10:41 | |
What sort of things did he say
to you to make you stay with him? | 1:10:41 | 1:10:45 | |
He convinced me that he was the only
reason I was having any success | 1:10:45 | 1:10:48 | |
and that if I told anybody,
that success would go away. | 1:10:48 | 1:10:53 | |
For Chloe Howe, success also
came at a young age, | 1:10:53 | 1:11:00 | |
after being signed at just 16. | 1:11:00 | 1:11:03 | |
She says that while she has
experienced serious harassment, | 1:11:03 | 1:11:06 | |
she knows girls who have
had far worse. | 1:11:06 | 1:11:09 | |
I know girls who have been raped
and it is always a man in power | 1:11:09 | 1:11:13 | |
and a girl on the rise who needs
as much support as possible, | 1:11:13 | 1:11:16 | |
whose career hasn't started yet. | 1:11:16 | 1:11:23 | |
Yasmin is a music manager and last
month, frustrated by the amount | 1:11:23 | 1:11:27 | |
of harassment she had seen
and experienced in the industry, | 1:11:27 | 1:11:29 | |
she put out a call asking women
to come forward with their stories. | 1:11:29 | 1:11:36 | |
What I have found is that I'm
getting less stories of sexual | 1:11:36 | 1:11:39 | |
harassment and innuendo and more
stories of serious sexual assault, | 1:11:39 | 1:11:43 | |
more rape stories that
I could possibly have imagined. | 1:11:43 | 1:11:49 | |
This has encouraged
Michelle to speak out | 1:11:49 | 1:11:51 | |
after more than 20 years. | 1:11:51 | 1:11:55 | |
While working for a major
music company in her 20s, | 1:11:55 | 1:11:58 | |
she says a more senior colleague
repeatedly assaulted her. | 1:11:58 | 1:12:04 | |
One day, I was with a girl
in the office and we were told, | 1:12:04 | 1:12:07 | |
could we go and see him after work? | 1:12:07 | 1:12:09 | |
So we went up to his office and then
he turned around to us both, | 1:12:09 | 1:12:13 | |
took out his penis and said,
"I want to have a threesome with | 1:12:13 | 1:12:16 | |
you, come on girls, let's do it". | 1:12:16 | 1:12:20 | |
We went to a lawyer
and we were categorically told | 1:12:20 | 1:12:23 | |
that he had committed
a serious crime. | 1:12:23 | 1:12:25 | |
But the lawyer said,
"If you report this, you will never | 1:12:25 | 1:12:28 | |
work in the industry again". | 1:12:28 | 1:12:34 | |
Why have you decided
to finally speak about | 1:12:34 | 1:12:36 | |
what has happened to you? | 1:12:36 | 1:12:37 | |
Because I never want it
to happen to anybody again. | 1:12:37 | 1:12:39 | |
Young women are being sexually
assaulted still today. | 1:12:39 | 1:12:44 | |
There are some very dangerous
men in this business. | 1:12:44 | 1:12:47 | |
Looking back, do you think
that he groomed you? | 1:12:47 | 1:12:50 | |
Yeah, I do think he groomed me. | 1:12:50 | 1:12:53 | |
I was 15 when we met
and he was looking online | 1:12:53 | 1:12:56 | |
for a girl to manage. | 1:12:56 | 1:12:59 | |
I have no doubt that there are
people working in the music industry | 1:12:59 | 1:13:02 | |
today who should be imprisoned. | 1:13:02 | 1:13:03 | |
Maybe some of the horrific things
they did were long time ago. | 1:13:03 | 1:13:06 | |
They have probably
forgotten about them. | 1:13:06 | 1:13:08 | |
But I can assure you that
their victims haven't. | 1:13:08 | 1:13:14 | |
Let's talk now to Yasmin Lajoie. | 1:13:14 | 1:13:16 | |
Isabelle Gutierrez is from
the Musicians' Union. | 1:13:21 | 1:13:23 | |
Since the Harvey Weinstein
allegations, they have set up | 1:13:23 | 1:13:25 | |
an anonymous reporting system,
and are gathering evidence | 1:13:25 | 1:13:28 | |
of the abuse that's
happening in the industry. | 1:13:28 | 1:13:30 | |
Diane Wagg is head of
the Music Managers Forum, | 1:13:30 | 1:13:32 | |
and a respected veteran music
manager in the industry. | 1:13:32 | 1:13:34 | |
And Helienne Lindvall
is a former singer, now | 1:13:34 | 1:13:36 | |
songwriter, and is the director
of the British Academy | 1:13:36 | 1:13:38 | |
of Songwriters. | 1:13:38 | 1:13:40 | |
Thank you for coming onto the
programme. What is your reaction to | 1:13:40 | 1:13:45 | |
what our investigation has
discovered? It is horrendous. I | 1:13:45 | 1:13:48 | |
honestly cannot say that I am
surprised but it is so sad that this | 1:13:48 | 1:13:51 | |
is happening. It is heartbreaking. I
thought that these stories came from | 1:13:51 | 1:14:00 | |
the 1980s and 1990s. It is shocking
to me, having been in the business | 1:14:00 | 1:14:04 | |
for many decades now, to hear this,
it is horrible. I agree, and I think | 1:14:04 | 1:14:12 | |
they are very brave coming out and
speaking on camera. One of the big | 1:14:12 | 1:14:18 | |
reasons we are where we are is
because women are shamed into | 1:14:18 | 1:14:22 | |
silence a lot. I think a lot of
people, when they heard the Harvey | 1:14:22 | 1:14:29 | |
Weinstein thing, one of the things
in the tape with him, he was saying, | 1:14:29 | 1:14:33 | |
don't embarrass me. A lot of people
have been there in that situation. | 1:14:33 | 1:14:38 | |
You are trying to turn somebody
down, you don't want to offend them. | 1:14:38 | 1:14:46 | |
Because if you do... That is what
Chloe was saying. You can flirt but | 1:14:46 | 1:14:51 | |
keep it light and Johnny without
hacking him. It is her career. Yes. | 1:14:51 | 1:15:01 | |
-- and jolly. This is an e-mail from
someone who wishes to remain | 1:15:01 | 1:15:04 | |
anonymous. I worked in the music
industry as a singer, I was | 1:15:04 | 1:15:09 | |
propositioned in my mid 20s by an
executive, he said if I slept with | 1:15:09 | 1:15:13 | |
him, I would get the record deal. I
didn't take up the offer and did not | 1:15:13 | 1:15:21 | |
get the record deal. Somebody had
taken my destiny in their hands and | 1:15:21 | 1:15:25 | |
manipulated it. I do wonder if
actually, because of the Internet, | 1:15:25 | 1:15:29 | |
anybody can put their name on -- put
their music online. More young | 1:15:29 | 1:15:34 | |
people can be targeted by predatory
men, in particular, in the music | 1:15:34 | 1:15:37 | |
industry? | 1:15:37 | 1:15:41 | |
I think that is correct. But it is
not just the music industry. We have | 1:15:41 | 1:15:47 | |
a problem with schoolchildren and
social media. We are all doing a lot | 1:15:47 | 1:15:52 | |
of work towards this. We were
actually addressing this before Me | 1:15:52 | 1:16:00 | |
Too and Harvey Weinstein. The good
thing is it has accelerated phase. | 1:16:00 | 1:16:04 | |
Everybody is talking about. We
represent over 500 music managers in | 1:16:04 | 1:16:10 | |
the UK. We have got a network of
about 2700 in America. We have a | 1:16:10 | 1:16:15 | |
code of practice. We have been
through it earlier this year with a | 1:16:15 | 1:16:20 | |
formal complaints procedure. We
offer advice. We have also published | 1:16:20 | 1:16:28 | |
a health and welfare guide. There is
a lot going on. It is so clear, this | 1:16:28 | 1:16:34 | |
culture of silence. You have set up
this anonymous reporting system. But | 1:16:34 | 1:16:42 | |
people are still scared command
they? They are. I think it is the | 1:16:42 | 1:16:50 | |
reason I would say the people have
come forward our two figures rather | 1:16:50 | 1:16:55 | |
than three figures. That barely
scratches the surface. We have gone | 1:16:55 | 1:16:58 | |
out of our way to say we will add
non-demise cases. If we have | 1:16:58 | 1:17:03 | |
somebody coming forward who doesn't
want their case talked about in an | 1:17:03 | 1:17:07 | |
anonymous fashion, we won't do that.
People are terrified about what will | 1:17:07 | 1:17:14 | |
happen to their careers. On the
spectrum of the complaints you have | 1:17:14 | 1:17:17 | |
received, what sort of things are
people saying? We were -- we have | 1:17:17 | 1:17:23 | |
had more on the harassment side than
some of the serious things we saw in | 1:17:23 | 1:17:27 | |
the film today. They are obviously
still incredibly serious cases. I | 1:17:27 | 1:17:32 | |
suspect that people who have these
truly horrendous stories to tell our | 1:17:32 | 1:17:36 | |
frightened to put it in an e-mail
form to anybody, even if it is an | 1:17:36 | 1:17:40 | |
Marmoz. We have been dealing with
cases like this from members for a | 1:17:40 | 1:17:44 | |
long time. But obviously it takes a
lot of guts to come forward with | 1:17:44 | 1:17:50 | |
something like that. The cases we
have dealt with in the past have | 1:17:50 | 1:17:53 | |
been the tip of the iceberg. Some
more messages. When I was six I met | 1:17:53 | 1:17:59 | |
a very famous singer, who started
grooming me. And more importantly, | 1:17:59 | 1:18:02 | |
my mother, from the minute we met.
Jokes about, when you are for Dean, | 1:18:02 | 1:18:09 | |
I will marry you. And I was 11, he
sexually abused me. I screamed at my | 1:18:09 | 1:18:14 | |
mother that I never wanted to see
him again. I now have PTSD and I'm | 1:18:14 | 1:18:21 | |
freaking out about how to keep my
daughters safe. This is particularly | 1:18:21 | 1:18:25 | |
graphic, so if you have children,
you may not want them to listen to | 1:18:25 | 1:18:28 | |
this. When I was 14 I went to see my
favourite band with two school | 1:18:28 | 1:18:33 | |
friends. The lead singer of the
group would insist that I sit on his | 1:18:33 | 1:18:37 | |
lap. His Venus would press on me and
he would beg me for oral six before | 1:18:37 | 1:18:41 | |
we were collected. I heard from
other fans that he had six with | 1:18:41 | 1:18:48 | |
other teenagers and had passed
around sexually transmitted disease. | 1:18:48 | 1:18:52 | |
I never performed a six act on him.
He knew my age and he nicknamed me | 1:18:52 | 1:18:56 | |
jailbait. See, one of the things
that is important, since this whole | 1:18:56 | 1:19:05 | |
Me Too campaign happened, I talked
to a lot of my male colleagues. I | 1:19:05 | 1:19:14 | |
get reactions from some male
colleagues who say, thank God these | 1:19:14 | 1:19:17 | |
people are now getting their
comeuppance. They say, I know there | 1:19:17 | 1:19:23 | |
are people shaking in their boots at
the moment. And good, because they | 1:19:23 | 1:19:27 | |
should. But then I get other people,
in particular some of the old school | 1:19:27 | 1:19:31 | |
people, who say, you have to
understand that there are young | 1:19:31 | 1:19:38 | |
girls throwing themselves at you.
What they need to understand what I | 1:19:38 | 1:19:43 | |
think is so important to have a code
of practice and to explain is the | 1:19:43 | 1:19:48 | |
reason that we have the laws that we
have about age of consent is that | 1:19:48 | 1:19:53 | |
these young girls do not understand
what they are, you know, that these | 1:19:53 | 1:19:58 | |
men are thinking that, you know, she
wants to have six with me. They say | 1:19:58 | 1:20:04 | |
that they might kind of like being
in the surroundings of somebody | 1:20:04 | 1:20:07 | |
famous, or that the parameters are
very different. It is the older | 1:20:07 | 1:20:16 | |
person that should refrain. They
shouldn't break the law. They | 1:20:16 | 1:20:22 | |
shouldn't break the law. We all know
stories about artists back when who | 1:20:22 | 1:20:34 | |
had 14-year-olds. You sort of
thought those days had gone. | 1:20:34 | 1:20:39 | |
Absolutely. The other thing is that
the music managers are the only | 1:20:39 | 1:20:43 | |
people in the business who have a
duty of care. We think the whole | 1:20:43 | 1:20:46 | |
business should have a duty of care.
We also think that our artist should | 1:20:46 | 1:20:50 | |
be responsible towards their
audience. When I have a young male | 1:20:50 | 1:20:57 | |
band, and this doesn't relate
exclusively to women, we have a | 1:20:57 | 1:21:01 | |
diverse board and I have heard many
stories, but I always educate my new | 1:21:01 | 1:21:08 | |
artists in terms of how to behave
with young fans. They have a | 1:21:08 | 1:21:12 | |
responsibility. We invited UK music,
which represents the industry, under | 1:21:12 | 1:21:18 | |
the programme but they were not able
to come. They say, UK music takes | 1:21:18 | 1:21:23 | |
any allegations very seriously and
will offer support to any | 1:21:23 | 1:21:26 | |
complainant to guide them towards
the help and advice they need. Any | 1:21:26 | 1:21:30 | |
form of abuse or harassment in the
music industry should never be | 1:21:30 | 1:21:33 | |
tolerated. The people who have got
in touch with us today with their | 1:21:33 | 1:21:41 | |
experiences, should they go to the
police? I think in some cases they | 1:21:41 | 1:21:47 | |
should, absolutely. I equally
understand how somebody can feel | 1:21:47 | 1:21:50 | |
they couldn't. Obviously if we have
a member come to us with one of | 1:21:50 | 1:21:57 | |
these issues, we would guide them to
go to the police. Lots of people do | 1:21:57 | 1:22:00 | |
not feel they can. That is why we
opened up Aoun -- an anonymous way | 1:22:00 | 1:22:06 | |
of signposting something that has
happened to you. We have had people | 1:22:06 | 1:22:09 | |
who do not want their stories shared
but they have said if this | 1:22:09 | 1:22:12 | |
particular person gets named in
several e-mails, please come back to | 1:22:12 | 1:22:16 | |
me and perhaps at that point they
will feel... I can understand there | 1:22:16 | 1:22:20 | |
is safety in numbers sometimes. I'm
from Sweden. And in Sweden it was | 1:22:20 | 1:22:31 | |
when the -- were the first Me Too
list for the music industry started. | 1:22:31 | 1:22:37 | |
One person is up on rape charges.
These are the most grave cases. It | 1:22:37 | 1:22:43 | |
is important that we address the
whole kind of spectrum. I think one | 1:22:43 | 1:22:47 | |
of the things that needs to be
understood is that in general, for | 1:22:47 | 1:22:54 | |
some men as well but more for young
women in the industry, and I'm not | 1:22:54 | 1:23:00 | |
talking just underage women, women
in their 20s or early 30s, we are in | 1:23:00 | 1:23:06 | |
a business where you have meetings
in unorthodox places. You meet | 1:23:06 | 1:23:10 | |
people on tour. You might have a
meeting in a hotel. You might have a | 1:23:10 | 1:23:15 | |
meeting over dinner. And in general,
if you are a male in the industry, | 1:23:15 | 1:23:22 | |
it doesn't even cross your mind that
you need to be careful in that | 1:23:22 | 1:23:25 | |
situation. But for women, this has
brought -- this is brought to -- | 1:23:25 | 1:23:33 | |
back to me. When I look back, I have
just manoeuvred this my entire | 1:23:33 | 1:23:37 | |
career. Always when I am in a
situation along with a male, you | 1:23:37 | 1:23:42 | |
have to be careful. It's not right
and we need to do something about | 1:23:42 | 1:23:47 | |
it.
Thank you for coming in. Thank you. | 1:23:47 | 1:23:59 | |
Still to come... | 1:23:59 | 1:24:00 | |
Facebook has admitted for the first
time that social media can | 1:24:00 | 1:24:03 | |
harm mental health -
but are advising people | 1:24:03 | 1:24:05 | |
to improve their low mood by posting
more often. | 1:24:05 | 1:24:12 | |
Gwynne Owen Evans was one of
the last two men hanged in Britain. | 1:24:14 | 1:24:19 | |
A habitual liar convicted
of murdering a man who had been his | 1:24:19 | 1:24:22 | |
friend, and perhaps his lover. | 1:24:22 | 1:24:24 | |
But according to a leading criminal
lawyer, who has viewed documents | 1:24:24 | 1:24:28 | |
uncovered by the BBC,
he was the victim of | 1:24:28 | 1:24:35 | |
a miscarriage of justice. | 1:24:35 | 1:24:36 | |
Our reporter Sanchia Berg has been
investigating and joins us now. | 1:24:36 | 1:24:42 | |
Phil us in on the case? Good
morning. This is the case of one of | 1:24:42 | 1:24:48 | |
the last two men hanged in Britain
in 1964. This is not the case that | 1:24:48 | 1:24:52 | |
has had the attention of Derek
Bentley, for example. It is not very | 1:24:52 | 1:24:57 | |
well-known. It was a pretty sordid
murder in Cumbria. A man was 53, who | 1:24:57 | 1:25:03 | |
was a friend of Gwynne Owen Evans,
almost certainly his gay lover, he | 1:25:03 | 1:25:07 | |
was murdered by Evans and by Peter
Allen. Evans always said that he | 1:25:07 | 1:25:11 | |
didn't actually hit his friend, that
it was Peter Allen who did the | 1:25:11 | 1:25:17 | |
hitting. But the two men were tried
together. The jury found them both | 1:25:17 | 1:25:21 | |
guilty. An appeal failed. Even
though Gwynne Owen Evans' mother | 1:25:21 | 1:25:27 | |
wrote to the Home Secretary saying
her son was mentally impaired and | 1:25:27 | 1:25:31 | |
that he had them under a doctor
since the age of eight, please spare | 1:25:31 | 1:25:36 | |
him, the doctors did not find that
his mental ability was substantially | 1:25:36 | 1:25:39 | |
impaired. And that is why the Home
Secretary, written in red ink on the | 1:25:39 | 1:25:45 | |
file, he says the law must take its
course. He couldn't find evidence | 1:25:45 | 1:25:51 | |
for a reprieve. But actually, going
through these medical reports, | 1:25:51 | 1:25:54 | |
looking at the history as a whole,
it's very striking that he really | 1:25:54 | 1:25:59 | |
had a history of serious mental
problems. This wasn't taken into | 1:25:59 | 1:26:03 | |
account.
The jury were not made aware of it. | 1:26:03 | 1:26:06 | |
Let's bring in John Cooper QC. He
has been looking through the files. | 1:26:06 | 1:26:12 | |
What do you think? I have been
interested in this case for a few | 1:26:12 | 1:26:17 | |
years. Santa brought to my attention
a number of documents. I have no | 1:26:17 | 1:26:25 | |
doubt a miscarriage of justice has
occurred as far as this man is | 1:26:25 | 1:26:28 | |
concerned. Let me make it clear,
nobody is saying he didn't deserve | 1:26:28 | 1:26:32 | |
to be punished. He did. The issue is
on the defence of diminished | 1:26:32 | 1:26:38 | |
responsibility. It is a defence
which existed then, in a different | 1:26:38 | 1:26:44 | |
way. It exists now. It is
essentially says, not murder, but | 1:26:44 | 1:26:48 | |
because of your mental functioning,
you have a lesser charge. A defence | 1:26:48 | 1:26:57 | |
that existed them which is legal
team did not choose to use. That is | 1:26:57 | 1:27:01 | |
the issue? Row precisely. If they
had used it, you wouldn't have been | 1:27:01 | 1:27:09 | |
hanged. One of the reasons they
didn't choose to use it, and it is | 1:27:09 | 1:27:14 | |
an analysis many defence teams
consider, is to have a defence of | 1:27:14 | 1:27:18 | |
diminished responsibility you have
to admit the defence. You have to | 1:27:18 | 1:27:21 | |
see my did it but my mental
functioning was impaired. I suppose | 1:27:21 | 1:27:24 | |
the reasoning behind the defence not
using it was because they didn't | 1:27:24 | 1:27:29 | |
want to admit it. But in my opinion,
having looked at the documentation, | 1:27:29 | 1:27:33 | |
this man clearly was suffering from
an abnormality of mind, which would | 1:27:33 | 1:27:36 | |
have afforded a defence. Looking at
the papers and the report, very | 1:27:36 | 1:27:42 | |
little effort was made, in my
opinion, to analyse this. The | 1:27:42 | 1:27:46 | |
reports are cursory and the
examination is cursory. | 1:27:46 | 1:27:48 | |
That is my concern. Thank you. Thank
you both. | 1:27:48 | 1:27:53 | |
Lebanese police say a man has been
arrested on suspicion of killing | 1:27:53 | 1:27:56 | |
a woman who worked at the British
embassy in Beirut. | 1:27:56 | 1:28:01 | |
Rebecca Dykes had been at a leaving
party on Friday night. | 1:28:01 | 1:28:05 | |
Her body was found beside a motorway
on the outskirts of the city. | 1:28:05 | 1:28:09 | |
She's believed to have
been strangled. | 1:28:09 | 1:28:12 | |
Friends and colleagues have been
paying tribute to her. | 1:28:12 | 1:28:19 | |
The British Ambassador to Lebanon,
Hugo Shorter tweeted that | 1:28:19 | 1:28:21 | |
"the whole embassy is deeply
shocked, saddened by this news". | 1:28:21 | 1:28:24 | |
He said: "My thoughts
are with Becky's family, | 1:28:24 | 1:28:26 | |
friends and colleagues
for their tragic loss." | 1:28:26 | 1:28:31 | |
Well, Josie Ensor had been due
to attend the leaving | 1:28:31 | 1:28:33 | |
party on Friday night. | 1:28:33 | 1:28:34 | |
She told me that Rebecca Dykes left
early because she was due to head | 1:28:34 | 1:28:37 | |
home to Britain for Christmas. | 1:28:37 | 1:28:41 | |
She was quite new in Beirut, she
joined the embassy a few months ago. | 1:28:41 | 1:28:46 | |
My friends told me that she had just
landed on her feet in Beirut | 1:28:46 | 1:28:49 | |
and she was just starting to make
friends and getting | 1:28:49 | 1:28:52 | |
to know the city. | 1:28:52 | 1:28:53 | |
So obviously, it is very tragic
that it has happened soon | 1:28:53 | 1:28:55 | |
after she has moved to the city. | 1:28:55 | 1:28:57 | |
What do you... | 1:28:57 | 1:28:58 | |
I gather you were invited to
the party that she was at on Friday. | 1:28:58 | 1:29:03 | |
Yeah, it was a mutual
friend of ours who works | 1:29:03 | 1:29:05 | |
for the British Embassy here. | 1:29:05 | 1:29:08 | |
It was her farewell party in a bar
just down the road from me here. | 1:29:08 | 1:29:13 | |
I had kind of just been
leaving my house to go to the party | 1:29:13 | 1:29:17 | |
when I got a call from work
and turned around. | 1:29:17 | 1:29:19 | |
But yeah, all my friends were there. | 1:29:19 | 1:29:21 | |
They were chatting to her. | 1:29:21 | 1:29:22 | |
She was looking forward
to going home for Christmas the next | 1:29:22 | 1:29:25 | |
day to see her family,
and that is why she left | 1:29:25 | 1:29:28 | |
early that night. | 1:29:28 | 1:29:28 | |
I mean, everybody
else left quite late. | 1:29:28 | 1:29:30 | |
But she left with a friend of mine
just before midnight to try to get | 1:29:30 | 1:29:34 | |
some sleep before her flight home
for Christmas on Saturday. | 1:29:34 | 1:29:36 | |
Tell us about the reaction
to what has happened. | 1:29:36 | 1:29:38 | |
Everyone is incredibly shocked. | 1:29:38 | 1:29:42 | |
I mean, I know what Beirut has
historically been known for, | 1:29:42 | 1:29:45 | |
for its brutal civil war
and its connections to Syria | 1:29:45 | 1:29:47 | |
and Israel but actually,
Beirut itself is a very safe city | 1:29:47 | 1:29:50 | |
and I feel much safer here than I do
walking on my own in London | 1:29:50 | 1:29:54 | |
or New York or other big cities. | 1:29:54 | 1:29:55 | |
It is a kind of village city. | 1:29:55 | 1:30:00 | |
It is a very tight-knit
community so when something | 1:30:00 | 1:30:02 | |
happens to one person,
it feels quite close, I think. | 1:30:02 | 1:30:05 | |
So do you think people
will still feel safe | 1:30:05 | 1:30:08 | |
despite what has happened? | 1:30:08 | 1:30:11 | |
Yeah, I mean, I was talking to some
female friends of mine who have | 1:30:11 | 1:30:14 | |
lived all over the Middle East
and they have felt in danger quite | 1:30:14 | 1:30:19 | |
a lot in Cairo but they say Beirut
is something of an anomaly | 1:30:19 | 1:30:22 | |
in the region. | 1:30:22 | 1:30:24 | |
I don't think anyone
is going to dramatically change how | 1:30:24 | 1:30:27 | |
they feel about the city but I do
think we might change | 1:30:27 | 1:30:30 | |
the way we move around,
think about our own personal safety. | 1:30:30 | 1:30:34 | |
I mean, I was hearing that a taxi
driver has been arrested this | 1:30:34 | 1:30:37 | |
morning in connection
with the murder so possibly now | 1:30:37 | 1:30:39 | |
we might not take those kind
of licensed local cabs that you kind | 1:30:39 | 1:30:45 | |
of hail at the side of the road
and perhaps take one by calling | 1:30:45 | 1:30:49 | |
ahead or going with a friend. | 1:30:49 | 1:31:02 | |
In the next few minutes, the new
Bishop of London, the right Reverend | 1:31:02 | 1:31:08 | |
Sara Mullaly, the most senior woman
in the church, is due to give a | 1:31:08 | 1:31:12 | |
press conference about the fact she
has a new role. We will hear from | 1:31:12 | 1:31:15 | |
her in the next few minutes. We will
dip into that news conference when | 1:31:15 | 1:31:19 | |
it starts. Still to come, we will
speak to the 22-year-old student his | 1:31:19 | 1:31:25 | |
rape trial collapsed after
detectives failed to disclose vital | 1:31:25 | 1:31:28 | |
evidence. Liam Allan tells us
exclusively but he wants an apology | 1:31:28 | 1:31:34 | |
from the police and the CPS. That's
in the next 15 minutes. And, we will | 1:31:34 | 1:31:38 | |
look at what local councils can do
to make recycling slightly less | 1:31:38 | 1:31:41 | |
confusing. | 1:31:41 | 1:31:46 | |
Time for the latest
news - here's Annita. | 1:31:46 | 1:31:48 | |
The BBC News headlines
this morning... | 1:31:48 | 1:31:49 | |
Senior Cabinet ministers are having
formal discussions - | 1:31:49 | 1:31:51 | |
for the first time -
about the the UK's relationship | 1:31:51 | 1:31:53 | |
with the EU after Brexit. | 1:31:53 | 1:32:01 | |
The PM will later tell MPs the UK
wants to sign trade deals | 1:32:01 | 1:32:05 | |
during a transition period. | 1:32:05 | 1:32:06 | |
EU leaders have agreed talks
can move on, including | 1:32:06 | 1:32:08 | |
to discuss a transition deal
for a post-Brexit period. | 1:32:08 | 1:32:10 | |
Labour has raised concerns
that trade may not be | 1:32:10 | 1:32:12 | |
discussed for months. | 1:32:12 | 1:32:17 | |
Police in Beirut say they have
arrested a suspect as part | 1:32:17 | 1:32:20 | |
of the investigation into the murder
of a British embassy worker whose | 1:32:20 | 1:32:22 | |
body was found by the side
of a motorway. | 1:32:22 | 1:32:25 | |
Rebecca Dykes was working
in the capital city of Beirut | 1:32:25 | 1:32:27 | |
for the Department for International
Development. | 1:32:27 | 1:32:29 | |
It's thought she had been
abducted and strangled | 1:32:29 | 1:32:31 | |
after leaving a party. | 1:32:31 | 1:32:36 | |
The family of a taxi driver
who was among six people killed | 1:32:36 | 1:32:39 | |
in a road accident in Birmingham
yesterday, have described him | 1:32:39 | 1:32:42 | |
as "happy" and "loving". | 1:32:42 | 1:32:43 | |
Imtiaz Mohammed and his two
passengers all died, | 1:32:43 | 1:32:45 | |
alongside three men in another car. | 1:32:45 | 1:32:46 | |
Crash investigators
are trying to piece together | 1:32:46 | 1:32:49 | |
what caused the pile-up. | 1:32:49 | 1:32:55 | |
A former NHS chief nurse has been
named as the next Bishop of London, | 1:32:55 | 1:33:00 | |
the third most senior position in
the Church of England. Right | 1:33:00 | 1:33:04 | |
reverend Sara Mullaly is currently a
bishop in Devon, she became a priest | 1:33:04 | 1:33:08 | |
in 2006 and has spent more than 35
years in the NHS. She was made a | 1:33:08 | 1:33:15 | |
Dame in 2005 for services to nursing
and will be the most senior woman in | 1:33:15 | 1:33:18 | |
the church and will have a seat in
the House of Lords. | 1:33:18 | 1:33:23 | |
The four time Olympic champion,
Sir Mo Farah, has won this year's | 1:33:23 | 1:33:26 | |
BBC Sports Personality of the Year. | 1:33:26 | 1:33:27 | |
Motorcyclist Jonathan Rea
was second, and paralympic sprinter, | 1:33:27 | 1:33:29 | |
Jonnie Peacock, was third. | 1:33:29 | 1:33:31 | |
He was honoured at an evening in
celebration in Liverpool. Dangerous | 1:33:31 | 1:33:35 | |
cat Ennis received a Lifetime
Achievement Award. Here's some of | 1:33:35 | 1:33:40 | |
the highlights from the evening...
It is showtime... The famous trophy | 1:33:40 | 1:33:51 | |
has come north from Wimbledon and
the biggest names are here to see | 1:33:51 | 1:33:56 | |
who will be crowned the BBC sports
personality of the year. I was proud | 1:33:56 | 1:34:03 | |
of him as a person and how he dealt
with everything. And how he put | 1:34:03 | 1:34:07 | |
others first before himself. I was
so proud of my baby. I am slightly | 1:34:07 | 1:34:19 | |
overwhelmed but I am absolutely
honoured to receive this on behalf | 1:34:19 | 1:34:24 | |
of Bradley. Our 2017 lifetime
achievement award winner, Dame | 1:34:24 | 1:34:41 | |
Jessica Ennis-Hill. I am honoured to
stand here with these inspiring | 1:34:41 | 1:34:44 | |
women, and in a room full of
legends. It is unbelievable. You | 1:34:44 | 1:34:48 | |
have left no stone unturned, and you
can have no regrets with that | 1:34:48 | 1:34:51 | |
career. LAUGHTER
Did you get any of that? I didn't, | 1:34:51 | 1:34:58 | |
sorry! Daddy! You have been
marvellous! In 2017, the BBC sports | 1:34:58 | 1:35:07 | |
personality of the Year is... Mo
Farah. Please don't tell me... He's | 1:35:07 | 1:35:19 | |
gone to bed! No! Fall of the
youngsters and people out there. You | 1:35:19 | 1:35:30 | |
can work hard. You can achieve your
dreams. Anything is possible in | 1:35:30 | 1:35:34 | |
life. Congratulations to him. | 1:35:34 | 1:35:38 | |
Here's some sport now
with Holly Hamilton. | 1:35:38 | 1:35:39 | |
Coming up in sport -
Australia crush England in the third | 1:35:39 | 1:35:42 | |
Test at the Waca to wrap up
the Ashes Series 3-0. | 1:35:42 | 1:35:44 | |
England needed to bat throughout
the final day of the third Test | 1:35:44 | 1:35:47 | |
in Perth to force a draw -
and keep the series alive. | 1:35:47 | 1:35:50 | |
But they lost the game
by an innings and 41 runs. | 1:35:50 | 1:35:56 | |
Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers
says their 69-game unbeaten domestic | 1:35:56 | 1:35:58 | |
run may never be surpassed
by another team after his side | 1:35:58 | 1:36:01 | |
were thrashed 4-0 at Hearts. | 1:36:01 | 1:36:05 | |
Manchester United manager
Jose Mourinho says his side | 1:36:05 | 1:36:07 | |
will "fight until the last match"
after they moved back to within 11 | 1:36:07 | 1:36:10 | |
points of Premier League leaders
Manchester City by beating West Brom | 1:36:10 | 1:36:12 | |
2-1. | 1:36:12 | 1:36:17 | |
And European Champions Saracens look
like they'll now need | 1:36:17 | 1:36:19 | |
to try to reach the quarterfinals
as one of three best Pool runners-up | 1:36:19 | 1:36:22 | |
after losing 24-21 to group leaders
Clemont Auvergne in France. | 1:36:22 | 1:36:25 | |
Those are you headlines -
I'll have more reaction to that | 1:36:25 | 1:36:27 | |
Ashes result coming up at 11
o'clock. | 1:36:27 | 1:36:37 | |
Thank you. | 1:36:37 | 1:36:38 | |
Facebook has acknowledged
for the first time that social media | 1:36:38 | 1:36:41 | |
can harm mental health -
but says users can improve their low | 1:36:41 | 1:36:44 | |
mood by posting more often. | 1:36:44 | 1:36:48 | |
We can talk now to Tom Burridge,
who's been looking into this story. | 1:36:48 | 1:36:53 | |
What have they said? It is
interesting, it's the first time | 1:36:53 | 1:36:57 | |
that Facebook had said that
excessive use of social media can | 1:36:57 | 1:37:01 | |
lead to a lot of problems, that has
been detailed by academics, like | 1:37:01 | 1:37:05 | |
anxiety, depression, body image
issues, sleep issues, you can also | 1:37:05 | 1:37:11 | |
get FOMO, a fear of missing out. You
see what a great time people say | 1:37:11 | 1:37:16 | |
they are having. And you think,
maybe my life isn't so great? | 1:37:16 | 1:37:23 | |
Facebook say that the solution isn't
that we should use Facebook less but | 1:37:23 | 1:37:27 | |
what we should do is more quality
time on Facebook. What they say is, | 1:37:27 | 1:37:32 | |
what you need to do is unique to
socially interact. It is more | 1:37:32 | 1:37:37 | |
messages, send direct messages to
your real friends and your | 1:37:37 | 1:37:40 | |
colleagues. More posts, one-on-one,
between people. The jargon they use | 1:37:40 | 1:37:48 | |
is "Meaningful social interactions".
Do more of that. As opposed to | 1:37:48 | 1:37:53 | |
passively consuming what everyone
else is doing? Browsing along, | 1:37:53 | 1:37:57 | |
low-level content, and perhaps the
odd "Like" idly about something but | 1:37:57 | 1:38:02 | |
not social engagement with people
that you are friends with on | 1:38:02 | 1:38:06 | |
Facebook. So they are definitely not
saying spend less time on Facebook? | 1:38:06 | 1:38:10 | |
They are coming up with some
concrete steps they are taking. To | 1:38:10 | 1:38:13 | |
their credit they are saying that
they would change the platform | 1:38:13 | 1:38:16 | |
itself in a few ways. They will get
rid of what they call "Click bait | 1:38:16 | 1:38:21 | |
headlines". Those are the links
which pop up on certain websites | 1:38:21 | 1:38:26 | |
that you see, they are often
salacious or almost ridiculous, | 1:38:26 | 1:38:30 | |
often fake news and they are
designed to be irresistible so that | 1:38:30 | 1:38:33 | |
you click on them and go to a
company's website. Optimise your | 1:38:33 | 1:38:39 | |
feed so that in theory, your best
friends will pop up more. They will | 1:38:39 | 1:38:45 | |
bring in a new snooze option, rather
than de-friend someone, you cannot | 1:38:45 | 1:38:54 | |
be friends with someone for a period
of time, and they say that taking | 1:38:54 | 1:38:59 | |
measures to prevent suicide, what
they are doing is working with | 1:38:59 | 1:39:02 | |
companies and organisations around
the world to identify people | 1:39:02 | 1:39:06 | |
explicitly talking about the idea of
taking one's own life, they are | 1:39:06 | 1:39:15 | |
using artificial intelligence, they
say, jargon for computer algorithms, | 1:39:15 | 1:39:19 | |
to look at less explicit references
by people about the idea of | 1:39:19 | 1:39:24 | |
committing suicide. There is also
the issue of children. Every parent | 1:39:24 | 1:39:29 | |
grapples with excessive social media
use with their children. All of the | 1:39:29 | 1:39:33 | |
issues that can bring up about
forging relationships and | 1:39:33 | 1:39:40 | |
concentration. In that sense,
Facebook is saying that they will | 1:39:40 | 1:39:44 | |
invest money and do more research,
$1 million, but they are not coming | 1:39:44 | 1:39:48 | |
up with concrete steps in that yet.
They say they do not have the | 1:39:48 | 1:39:52 | |
answers about that yet. They cannot
really say they should use social | 1:39:52 | 1:39:56 | |
media less, because they are a
company, it would be a technical | 1:39:56 | 1:40:01 | |
turkey voting for Christmas. Thank
you. | 1:40:01 | 1:40:09 | |
A 22-year-old student whose rape
trial collapsed after detectives | 1:40:09 | 1:40:13 | |
failed to disclose vital evidence
to the defence has told this | 1:40:13 | 1:40:16 | |
programme he wants an apology
from police and the CPS. | 1:40:16 | 1:40:18 | |
Liam Allan was charged with 12
counts of rape and sexual assault, | 1:40:18 | 1:40:21 | |
but his trial collapsed
after police were ordered | 1:40:21 | 1:40:23 | |
to hand over phone records. | 1:40:23 | 1:40:30 | |
In an interview alongside his mum,
Lorraine, he tells us his life | 1:40:30 | 1:40:33 | |
has "ripped apart" by
what had happened to him. | 1:40:33 | 1:40:35 | |
It emerged last week that the case
against Mr Allan was dropped, | 1:40:35 | 1:40:37 | |
when evidence on a computer disk
containing 40,000 text and whatsapp | 1:40:37 | 1:40:40 | |
messages revealed the alleged victim
pestered him for "casual sex". | 1:40:40 | 1:40:43 | |
The Met Police say it is
"urgently reviewing' the way | 1:40:43 | 1:40:45 | |
the investigation was handled. | 1:40:45 | 1:40:47 | |
I've been speaking to Liam Allan
and his mum, and asked him | 1:40:47 | 1:40:50 | |
if the police had been in touch
with him since his case collapsed. | 1:40:50 | 1:40:53 | |
There's been no direct contact. | 1:40:53 | 1:40:54 | |
Nothing?
No. | 1:40:54 | 1:40:57 | |
What do you think of that?
It's disappointing, naturally. | 1:40:57 | 1:41:00 | |
Obviously, it does not take too long
to send an apology or anything | 1:41:00 | 1:41:03 | |
like that or just get in contact
and let me know what is going on. | 1:41:03 | 1:41:08 | |
But I understand, you know,
that they might not want to speak | 1:41:08 | 1:41:11 | |
to me right now, given
that they don't really know what has | 1:41:11 | 1:41:14 | |
gone wrong in terms of completely,
it was the whole system. | 1:41:14 | 1:41:17 | |
I do understand that they are
reviewing things so I am trying | 1:41:17 | 1:41:20 | |
to be understanding in that respect. | 1:41:20 | 1:41:21 | |
But that is what you
would like, an apology? | 1:41:21 | 1:41:23 | |
Realistically... | 1:41:23 | 1:41:24 | |
Yeah, an apology would be nice. | 1:41:24 | 1:41:26 | |
Why is that important to you? | 1:41:26 | 1:41:27 | |
Just, I don't know. | 1:41:27 | 1:41:28 | |
It sort of accepts responsibility,
I suppose, and it does show remorse. | 1:41:28 | 1:41:31 | |
I've seen a lot of people's comments
on articles saying there is no | 1:41:31 | 1:41:37 | |
remorse from the police or the CPS. | 1:41:37 | 1:41:40 | |
I know there is but obviously,
I can't prove it if I haven't | 1:41:40 | 1:41:43 | |
had anything myself. | 1:41:43 | 1:41:44 | |
You have had the weekend now
to absorb what has happened to you. | 1:41:44 | 1:41:47 | |
You could have potentially been
found guilty of six rapes | 1:41:47 | 1:41:50 | |
You could have been sent to jail
for over a decade and you could have | 1:41:54 | 1:41:57 | |
been on the sex offenders
register for life. | 1:41:57 | 1:41:59 | |
How are you feeling about it now? | 1:41:59 | 1:42:01 | |
There's relief on one side in terms
of the case is over. | 1:42:01 | 1:42:04 | |
As in, I'm not, you know,
the suspect or I'm not | 1:42:04 | 1:42:06 | |
standing trial any more
so there is relief, there. | 1:42:06 | 1:42:08 | |
With the publicity, I mean,
it has been huge, and a different | 1:42:08 | 1:42:11 | |
kind of stress in terms of that now. | 1:42:11 | 1:42:13 | |
And there is still another bout
to go through in terms | 1:42:13 | 1:42:16 | |
of compensation and suing,
going from there, really. | 1:42:16 | 1:42:18 | |
It is not over completely. | 1:42:18 | 1:42:20 | |
Just I am not the one
standing trial any more. | 1:42:20 | 1:42:26 | |
What do you think would be
adequate compensation | 1:42:26 | 1:42:28 | |
for what you have endured? | 1:42:28 | 1:42:29 | |
I don't know. | 1:42:29 | 1:42:30 | |
I have said this so many times that
university is supposed to be | 1:42:30 | 1:42:33 | |
the best years of your life,
and the last two years have just | 1:42:33 | 1:42:38 | |
been spent worrying and not really
concentrating on anything. | 1:42:38 | 1:42:40 | |
It has completely ripped
apart my normal personal life | 1:42:40 | 1:42:42 | |
and now it has come to light,
it is still going on and obviously, | 1:42:42 | 1:42:45 | |
the longer we have to wait in terms
of going for compensation and things | 1:42:45 | 1:42:49 | |
like that, you know, the more stress
it still is because I'm still away | 1:42:49 | 1:42:52 | |
from uni and still away
from my normal life. | 1:42:52 | 1:42:54 | |
Everything is still upside down. | 1:42:54 | 1:42:55 | |
But as I said, I'm not standing
trial any more but there | 1:42:55 | 1:42:58 | |
is still emotional stress there. | 1:42:58 | 1:43:00 | |
Lorraine, how has it been
for you as Liam's mum, | 1:43:00 | 1:43:03 | |
the last couple of years
while he has been on bail? | 1:43:03 | 1:43:11 | |
Difficult. | 1:43:11 | 1:43:12 | |
I suppose that is a bit
of an understatement. | 1:43:12 | 1:43:14 | |
You never want to see your
child goes through it. | 1:43:14 | 1:43:16 | |
It is not something
you could prevent. | 1:43:16 | 1:43:20 | |
You know, you can educate your
daughters of the dangers of putting | 1:43:20 | 1:43:23 | |
yourself in difficult positions,
things to watch out for. | 1:43:23 | 1:43:29 | |
You can educate your sons,
as I feel I have, on respect and how | 1:43:29 | 1:43:32 | |
to look after people,
not harming people. | 1:43:32 | 1:43:35 | |
You can't protect yourself
against something like this. | 1:43:35 | 1:43:39 | |
I think this is part of why
it is felt by a lot of people, | 1:43:39 | 1:43:42 | |
you know, and you see a lot
of people saying it | 1:43:42 | 1:43:45 | |
can happen to anyone. | 1:43:45 | 1:43:49 | |
There seems to be... | 1:43:49 | 1:43:53 | |
There's a lot more than just text
messages and things that | 1:43:53 | 1:43:55 | |
were factors to the case. | 1:43:55 | 1:43:58 | |
You know, the amount of support that
I found very overwhelming | 1:43:58 | 1:44:02 | |
during the time and even now,
the support we have had, | 1:44:02 | 1:44:07 | |
there's no way we could have got
through it without that. | 1:44:07 | 1:44:12 | |
As a woman, you do, when someone
comes, does this type of thing, | 1:44:12 | 1:44:15 | |
your instinct is to want to believe
because I think that is where I have | 1:44:15 | 1:44:18 | |
spent a lot of my time,
trying to get my head around why | 1:44:18 | 1:44:22 | |
someone would lie about this. | 1:44:22 | 1:44:28 | |
It just didn't make
any sense at all. | 1:44:28 | 1:44:32 | |
Obviously, they have
their own reasons. | 1:44:32 | 1:44:34 | |
But that was a real struggle. | 1:44:34 | 1:44:38 | |
There were people that
I knew that knew Liam, | 1:44:38 | 1:44:41 | |
who would automatically,
you know, know and realise this | 1:44:41 | 1:44:43 | |
does not seem possible. | 1:44:43 | 1:44:48 | |
There were other people
that don't know my son, | 1:44:48 | 1:44:51 | |
that have only had my word,
that if I wanted to say | 1:44:51 | 1:44:54 | |
or talk about anything
we were going through, | 1:44:54 | 1:44:56 | |
I would struggle a little bit
because I would feel I would be | 1:44:56 | 1:45:00 | |
putting them in an awkward position,
to make a judgment without any | 1:45:00 | 1:45:02 | |
sort of basis to it. | 1:45:02 | 1:45:04 | |
Without any context? | 1:45:04 | 1:45:05 | |
As a mother, you are going
to protect your child, | 1:45:05 | 1:45:08 | |
that is how everyone sees it. | 1:45:08 | 1:45:12 | |
In some ways I felt that
even though I'm sitting there, | 1:45:12 | 1:45:15 | |
saying, "I know it is not possible,
this is not my son", | 1:45:15 | 1:45:18 | |
everyone is going to look at me
and say, "Well, | 1:45:18 | 1:45:20 | |
you are a mother". | 1:45:20 | 1:45:24 | |
should | 1:45:24 | 1:45:24 | |
Liam, you must have thought often
about why this woman made up these | 1:45:24 | 1:45:27 | |
allegations about you. | 1:45:27 | 1:45:28 | |
Why do you think? | 1:45:28 | 1:45:32 | |
From what I can gather,
part of it is spite. | 1:45:32 | 1:45:35 | |
But obviously, anything that I say
is speculating, really. | 1:45:35 | 1:45:39 | |
For me, I can't really
comprehend why you would want | 1:45:39 | 1:45:41 | |
to do that to somebody
in the first place anyway. | 1:45:41 | 1:45:43 | |
It seems it just started off
as a little white lie and then | 1:45:43 | 1:45:47 | |
as soon as that starts,
where it is so serious, it is not | 1:45:47 | 1:45:51 | |
something you can go back on. | 1:45:51 | 1:45:53 | |
You know, we all tell little white
lies but not on that scale, | 1:45:53 | 1:45:56 | |
not on such a series topic. | 1:45:56 | 1:45:57 | |
Do you think she should be
prosecuted for that? | 1:45:57 | 1:45:59 | |
I'm going to leave that decision
to somebody else, if I'm honest. | 1:45:59 | 1:46:05 | |
You know, I think I am biased
in terms of the emotional side of it | 1:46:05 | 1:46:09 | |
and so it is not my decision
to make from here. | 1:46:09 | 1:46:11 | |
That is somebody else's
decision to make. | 1:46:11 | 1:46:13 | |
Do you, Lorraine? | 1:46:13 | 1:46:14 | |
I think honestly, I think
she may need help. | 1:46:14 | 1:46:21 | |
With all the things that we have
seen, the support has been | 1:46:21 | 1:46:25 | |
really positive for us. | 1:46:25 | 1:46:26 | |
I am so grateful for that. | 1:46:26 | 1:46:29 | |
Seeing some of the comments
that are so negative, | 1:46:29 | 1:46:31 | |
I am fearful for her. | 1:46:31 | 1:46:32 | |
You have sympathy for her? | 1:46:32 | 1:46:33 | |
There is sympathy there. | 1:46:33 | 1:46:35 | |
I know that sounds really strange. | 1:46:35 | 1:46:41 | |
I think, no, probably, not
through the case or the trial, no. | 1:46:41 | 1:46:45 | |
With the media attention,
it has changed it a little bit. | 1:46:45 | 1:46:50 | |
You know, I am trying
to picture what, as a parent, | 1:46:50 | 1:46:56 | |
either side of the fence,
there is pain, frustration. | 1:46:56 | 1:47:00 | |
She has a family. | 1:47:00 | 1:47:02 | |
I don't think anyone,
for all of the comments they make | 1:47:02 | 1:47:05 | |
and judgments they make around these
kind of cases, actually take | 1:47:05 | 1:47:07 | |
into account the impact it has
on everybody else around them. | 1:47:07 | 1:47:12 | |
Why do you think the police and CPS
did not disclose any of those 40,000 | 1:47:12 | 1:47:17 | |
messages which in the end
proved your innocence? | 1:47:17 | 1:47:22 | |
I wouldn't know why. | 1:47:22 | 1:47:26 | |
I mean, it could be a mistake. | 1:47:26 | 1:47:29 | |
It could have just been, you know,
"I don't have enough time | 1:47:29 | 1:47:32 | |
to read 47,000 messages",
which, you know, for me, | 1:47:32 | 1:47:35 | |
something this serious,
obviously, other people have gone | 1:47:35 | 1:47:39 | |
through the same sort of thing, your
life is on hold so there isn't... | 1:47:39 | 1:47:42 | |
You know, I would quite happily have
waited an extra month and gone | 1:47:42 | 1:47:45 | |
for an extra month if it meant
they would have read them properly. | 1:47:45 | 1:47:48 | |
This could all have been avoided. | 1:47:48 | 1:47:50 | |
There would have been an extra month
to save another eight or nine months | 1:47:50 | 1:47:53 | |
waiting for a trial. | 1:47:53 | 1:47:55 | |
I think they are under a lot
of pressure, especially given how | 1:47:55 | 1:47:58 | |
much media attention
there is around the topic. | 1:47:58 | 1:48:00 | |
But you don't think
it was malicious? | 1:48:00 | 1:48:02 | |
It's... | 1:48:02 | 1:48:03 | |
I find it hard to believe
it was malicious. | 1:48:03 | 1:48:07 | |
But thank goodness for
the prosecuting barrister | 1:48:07 | 1:48:09 | |
who was insistent that they should
be disclosed in the end | 1:48:09 | 1:48:14 | |
because he had been fobbed off once,
told that they were not relevant, | 1:48:14 | 1:48:17 | |
or they could not be disclosed
because they contained | 1:48:17 | 1:48:19 | |
"very personal material". | 1:48:19 | 1:48:20 | |
And they were not relevant,
there was nothing capable | 1:48:20 | 1:48:22 | |
of undermining the prosecution case
or assisting the defence. | 1:48:22 | 1:48:25 | |
I mean, I think there's a lot
of credit, in terms of... | 1:48:25 | 1:48:28 | |
This is why I consider myself lucky. | 1:48:28 | 1:48:33 | |
The judge handled it so well
in terms of from a neutral point | 1:48:33 | 1:48:36 | |
of view and that was really nice
to sort of see, you know, | 1:48:36 | 1:48:39 | |
you don't feel quite
so alone in that respect. | 1:48:39 | 1:48:41 | |
Obviously, the prosecutor we got,
he was extremely understanding | 1:48:41 | 1:48:43 | |
that we should have that information
but I have got to give full credit | 1:48:43 | 1:48:49 | |
to my barrister, Julius Marr,
and Simone from the law firm, | 1:48:49 | 1:48:54 | |
for their persistence,
genuinely, their attitude has | 1:48:54 | 1:48:56 | |
been absolutely amazing. | 1:48:56 | 1:49:00 | |
There is nobody else like them,
for me and I owe my life to them, | 1:49:00 | 1:49:03 | |
to them all, equally,
to be fair. | 1:49:03 | 1:49:06 | |
I'm going to read a couple
of the messages out so the audience | 1:49:06 | 1:49:09 | |
can see how vital they were showing
that you were completely innocent. | 1:49:09 | 1:49:12 | |
September 2015, your accuser sent
a message to a friend | 1:49:12 | 1:49:15 | |
discussing her sex life with you. | 1:49:15 | 1:49:21 | |
"It wasn't against my
will or anything". | 1:49:21 | 1:49:25 | |
And another which was relevant,
it has been reported because she has | 1:49:25 | 1:49:28 | |
claimed to the police
that she did not like being intimate | 1:49:28 | 1:49:31 | |
with men, "People need
three things in life, | 1:49:31 | 1:49:33 | |
food, water and sex". | 1:49:33 | 1:49:35 | |
And another, "Sometimes,
sex is the number-one priority. | 1:49:35 | 1:49:37 | |
I'm really not joking,
to be honest". | 1:49:37 | 1:49:41 | |
According to your solicitor,
there could be other cases, | 1:49:41 | 1:49:43 | |
other miscarriages of justice,
people in jail now where | 1:49:43 | 1:49:47 | |
evidence that would have
proved their innocence has | 1:49:47 | 1:49:49 | |
not been disclosed. | 1:49:49 | 1:49:50 | |
I think, yeah, I think
that is what I have said, | 1:49:50 | 1:49:53 | |
you can't really stop false
accusations and people do | 1:49:53 | 1:49:56 | |
have a spiteful side and when people
are hurt, they react in a way | 1:49:56 | 1:49:59 | |
you would not really expect. | 1:49:59 | 1:50:02 | |
We rely on the procedure to find
the right sort of things. | 1:50:02 | 1:50:05 | |
As far as I'm aware,
if I've been through it, | 1:50:05 | 1:50:09 | |
then I'm not the only one,
just because I am the one | 1:50:09 | 1:50:12 | |
in the media right now,
it definitely does not mean I'm | 1:50:12 | 1:50:15 | |
the only one that has been
through it so I think there | 1:50:15 | 1:50:17 | |
are people going through it now. | 1:50:17 | 1:50:19 | |
You know, that is the aim now,
the procedure may need to change | 1:50:19 | 1:50:22 | |
in order to make sure that this does
not happen again but for the people | 1:50:22 | 1:50:25 | |
that are going through it now,
you know, can that change? | 1:50:25 | 1:50:28 | |
Reviews of other cases might happen. | 1:50:28 | 1:50:29 | |
Yeah. | 1:50:29 | 1:50:31 | |
But the third step is making sure
that the procedure changes | 1:50:31 | 1:50:33 | |
in the right direction so you know
what you're looking for. | 1:50:33 | 1:50:36 | |
And not just in sexual offences
cases, but in all cases. | 1:50:36 | 1:50:39 | |
Yeah. | 1:50:39 | 1:50:40 | |
Just to say, there's a tiny
percentage of false allegations | 1:50:40 | 1:50:44 | |
when it comes to crimes
of a sexual offences nature. | 1:50:44 | 1:50:47 | |
I want to read you a statement
from the CPS, who said, | 1:50:47 | 1:50:49 | |
"We will now be conducting
a management review, together | 1:50:49 | 1:50:52 | |
with the Metropolitan Police,
to examine the way in | 1:50:52 | 1:50:56 | |
which the case was handled". | 1:50:56 | 1:50:58 | |
What is your view of that? | 1:50:58 | 1:51:02 | |
To be fair, I have been quite
clear in this respect. | 1:51:02 | 1:51:05 | |
I completely understand they have
to do their internal investigation. | 1:51:05 | 1:51:08 | |
I mean, some people that will have
known about the case need to learn | 1:51:08 | 1:51:12 | |
a lot about what went wrong,
where they went wrong. | 1:51:12 | 1:51:14 | |
There's gaps everywhere. | 1:51:14 | 1:51:15 | |
It isn't necessarily
just disclosure. | 1:51:15 | 1:51:16 | |
The evidence was there
through the whole process. | 1:51:16 | 1:51:18 | |
But do you trust the CPS
and the police doing their own | 1:51:18 | 1:51:22 | |
review into what went wrong
at the CPS and the police? | 1:51:22 | 1:51:25 | |
Initially, yeah, but I mean,
I've said it before, | 1:51:25 | 1:51:27 | |
I would love to sit down with them,
you know, and maybe there's a few | 1:51:27 | 1:51:32 | |
other people like me that would love
to sit down with them and say, | 1:51:32 | 1:51:36 | |
"You give us your step-by-step
procedure and we will compare it | 1:51:36 | 1:51:38 | |
with what we went through and we can
tell you exactly where the holes | 1:51:38 | 1:51:42 | |
are, from our personal experience". | 1:51:42 | 1:51:43 | |
You know, there are going to be
holes in other people's experiences | 1:51:43 | 1:51:46 | |
that I would not have experienced
so there are other people out there. | 1:51:46 | 1:51:49 | |
At the moment, the spotlight
is on my case but there | 1:51:49 | 1:51:52 | |
are other voices out there. | 1:51:52 | 1:51:53 | |
I mean, I've heard loads
of other people's stories. | 1:51:53 | 1:51:55 | |
You know, it is possible to sit us
all down in the same room | 1:51:55 | 1:51:58 | |
with the same sort of people and get
the personal side of it | 1:51:58 | 1:52:01 | |
as well as the professional side. | 1:52:01 | 1:52:03 | |
That was Liam Allan and his mother
speaking to us this morning. | 1:52:03 | 1:52:08 | |
mark says, I have also been the
victim of false rape allegations. As | 1:52:08 | 1:52:13 | |
an adult with young children at the
time, I was thrown out of my family | 1:52:13 | 1:52:16 | |
home for the duration of the
investigation, eight months. I can | 1:52:16 | 1:52:19 | |
only see my children for one hour a
week in a dirty contact centre. It | 1:52:19 | 1:52:27 | |
was plastered all over the local
paper. It caused absolute panic | 1:52:27 | 1:52:32 | |
among all farm -- families who knew
me. During my three day trial I was | 1:52:32 | 1:52:36 | |
again plastered all over the papers
as a rapist and the story was | 1:52:36 | 1:52:40 | |
repeated every hour on local radio.
The fallout from me has been the | 1:52:40 | 1:52:45 | |
loss of my family, marriage,
business, friends and my children, | 1:52:45 | 1:52:50 | |
who will have nothing to do with me
at all. | 1:52:50 | 1:52:52 | |
A plan for reducing plastic
waste is to be announced | 1:52:52 | 1:52:54 | |
by the government in the New Year. | 1:52:54 | 1:53:00 | |
Earlier this month we highlighted
how much of a problem plastics | 1:53:00 | 1:53:03 | |
can be in our oceans: | 1:53:03 | 1:53:04 | |
By 2050, there will be more plastic
than fish in the sea, | 1:53:04 | 1:53:07 | |
according to the World Economic
Forum. | 1:53:07 | 1:53:09 | |
80% of all the litter
in the ocean is plastic. | 1:53:09 | 1:53:13 | |
Last year, more than 7 billion
people worldwide produced over | 1:53:13 | 1:53:17 | |
300 million tonnes of plastic. | 1:53:17 | 1:53:18 | |
Ships are banned from dumping
plastic overboard but there is no | 1:53:18 | 1:53:22 | |
international law against plastics
flooding into the sea from the land. | 1:53:22 | 1:53:27 | |
China, Thailand, Indonesia
and the Philippines are responsible | 1:53:27 | 1:53:30 | |
for much of the world's
Ocean plastic pollution. | 1:53:30 | 1:53:36 | |
As well as bottles, drinking straws,
micro beads and polystyrene boxes, | 1:53:36 | 1:53:42 | |
it is estimated there are 640,000
tonnes of abandoned fishing | 1:53:42 | 1:53:44 | |
nets on the ocean floor. | 1:53:44 | 1:53:47 | |
There are severe consequences
for marine animals who choke | 1:53:47 | 1:53:50 | |
on the plastic and have
their habitats destroyed. | 1:53:50 | 1:53:54 | |
Sunlight breaks the plastic
into small pieces which fish and sea | 1:53:54 | 1:53:58 | |
birds mistake for food and ingest
and that threatens the food | 1:53:58 | 1:54:02 | |
supply for humans as well. | 1:54:02 | 1:54:03 | |
Campaigners want a Paris climate
style deal with countries agreeing | 1:54:03 | 1:54:06 | |
long-term goals and zero tolerance. | 1:54:06 | 1:54:14 | |
We can speak now to Professor
of Marine Biology, Richard Thompson, | 1:54:14 | 1:54:20 | |
and Claire Wallerstein who heads up | 1:54:20 | 1:54:22 | |
a beach cleaning group in Cornwall | 1:54:22 | 1:54:25 | |
How bad is it and what do you think
of this 4-point plan? I think it is | 1:54:25 | 1:54:33 | |
a good plan in essence. The devil
will be in the detail. It is | 1:54:33 | 1:54:38 | |
essential to think about reducing
particularly the amount of single | 1:54:38 | 1:54:40 | |
use plastic. 40% of all the plastic
items we produce our single use | 1:54:40 | 1:54:46 | |
items. We find a lot on our
shorelines. It is important. The | 1:54:46 | 1:54:53 | |
solutions are already Highridge and
in the recommendations to nothing -- | 1:54:53 | 1:54:56 | |
to increase emotive recycling. That
is positive. Also, it will make | 1:54:56 | 1:55:06 | |
things less consuming -- confusing
for the consumer. It is important we | 1:55:06 | 1:55:10 | |
start in the UK. Yes, there are our
problems in the far east with | 1:55:10 | 1:55:16 | |
developing nations. But we have
problems in the UK and Europe. | 1:55:16 | 1:55:20 | |
Claire, what is it like on the
beaches of Cornwall where you work? | 1:55:20 | 1:55:25 | |
I would agree with what Richard
said. It is not just a problem on | 1:55:25 | 1:55:29 | |
the other side of the world. You get
them on the beaches in Cornwall and | 1:55:29 | 1:55:33 | |
you can see the evidence for
yourself. We cover just a couple of | 1:55:33 | 1:55:37 | |
miles of Cornish coastline and we
remove hundreds of sacks of plastic | 1:55:37 | 1:55:40 | |
from those beaches every year. The
Marine wildlife is suffering from | 1:55:40 | 1:55:45 | |
some early problems from climate
change, overfishing. When you find | 1:55:45 | 1:55:51 | |
animals that have died needlessly
because of our throwaway consumer | 1:55:51 | 1:55:55 | |
plastic, that is absolutely
heartbreaking. We do see that. We | 1:55:55 | 1:55:58 | |
find birds with their legs tangled
together. A huge number of Cornish | 1:55:58 | 1:56:03 | |
seals have got plastic and tangled
around their necks. Over a third of | 1:56:03 | 1:56:06 | |
the fish have got plastic in their
guts. It is happening here. The kind | 1:56:06 | 1:56:14 | |
of things you find on the beach
includes what? Predominantly we get | 1:56:14 | 1:56:20 | |
a lot of fishing gear. But really
the major thing is the throwaway | 1:56:20 | 1:56:23 | |
consumer stuff that Richard was
talking about. Plastic is an amazing | 1:56:23 | 1:56:28 | |
material. It has revolutionised our
lives. It is designed to last | 1:56:28 | 1:56:32 | |
forever. We are using almost half of
it for items that will be used for a | 1:56:32 | 1:56:39 | |
few minutes and thrown away. It's
crazy. We focus on plastic and | 1:56:39 | 1:56:45 | |
bottle tops. We collected 65,003
months. We strung them together into | 1:56:45 | 1:56:50 | |
a chain that stretched over one
kilometre long. That shows you the | 1:56:50 | 1:56:54 | |
impact of the throwaway consumer
stuff, which is what we need to | 1:56:54 | 1:56:58 | |
tackle. Richard, can we work with
plastic in other ways to help fix | 1:56:58 | 1:57:02 | |
the environmental problems? I
believe this is a problem we can | 1:57:02 | 1:57:06 | |
fix. If you think about the many
benefits of plastic, and that | 1:57:06 | 1:57:11 | |
includes packaging, it is not
coupled to this emission to the | 1:57:11 | 1:57:15 | |
environment. It is different to many
of the other challenges. It is about | 1:57:15 | 1:57:19 | |
using plastics differently and more
smartly. By doing so I believe we | 1:57:19 | 1:57:23 | |
can solve the problem. How do we do
that? We need to do some of the | 1:57:23 | 1:57:28 | |
things outlined in the proposal.
Recycle more, make it much simpler | 1:57:28 | 1:57:34 | |
to recycle. One of the
recommendations is to cut the number | 1:57:34 | 1:57:36 | |
of plastics. What is being suggested
is that we reduce the diversity, to | 1:57:36 | 1:57:42 | |
increase the potential for
recycling. I was at a recycling | 1:57:42 | 1:57:45 | |
plant recently. Some of our most
recyclable poly- Ma was undetectable | 1:57:45 | 1:57:50 | |
because of the complete lack of
thought in the design studies that | 1:57:50 | 1:57:56 | |
sliced high-value plastic. It is
about taking a back to the drawing | 1:57:56 | 1:58:01 | |
board, to think about this much more
clearly at the design stage, to | 1:58:01 | 1:58:05 | |
minimise the use of plastics,
particularly in single use | 1:58:05 | 1:58:09 | |
applications. Designer for a replay
-- to be you both. | 1:58:09 | 1:58:19 | |
Thank you for your time. | 1:58:19 | 1:58:21 | |
On the programme tomorrow -
we look at how sex education | 1:58:21 | 1:58:24 | |
guidelines will be updated to deal
with online pornography and sexting. | 1:58:24 | 1:58:26 | |
Thank you very much for your | 1:58:26 | 1:58:29 |