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Hello, it's Friday, 22nd December.

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It's 9am, and Chloe Tilly.

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Welcome to the programme.

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Teacher vacancies are rising,

and with almost a third

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of new teachers quitting the job

after just five years, what is being

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done to fill the posts?

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This programme has had exclusive

access to a pilot scheme

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recruting top professionals

to retrain as teachers.

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I just thought, if I just retire and

do nothing, all that's gone to

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waste. And I didn't like the idea of

that. I wanted to do something with

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it.

I've spent 20 years trying to do

my best for my country, and I want

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to help students and children in my

own community.

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We are talking to two people

who have swapped high-flying careers

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for the classroom later

in the programme.

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Boris Johnson, the Foreign

Secretary, is in Russia for talks

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with his counterpart this morning -

the first time such a meeting has

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taken place for five years.

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So, what can we ecpect

to come out of it?

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The Foreign Secretary is going to be

ensuring that when he is in Russia

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he will be speaking in a very

hard-headed way with the Russians

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about the concerns that we have

about the activity, but also about

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the engagement that we want with

them.

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So, what can we ecpect

to come out of it?

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We will have analysis and reaction.

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The British passport is going to

change back to its original colour

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after Brexit, a move being

championed among some people as a

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victory.

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Hello.

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Welcome to the programme.

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We're live until 11am this morning.

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Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning.

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We are going to be talking about

those passport covers. You bothered

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what they are like? Also, tell us

what's going on with the cheating in

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your children's schools, are the

vacancies which can't be filled --

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with the teaching in your children's

schools.

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the hashtag #VictoriaLive.

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Our top story today:

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The Prime Minister has said that the

first she knew about the allegations

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against Damian Green was when she

read about them in the press.

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The woman

who alleged that Damian Green made

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inappropriate advances to her has

told BBC News that she spoke

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to a senior Downing Street aide

about his behaviour last year,

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before Mr Green was made

Theresa May's de facto deputy.

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Kate Maltby had complained that

Mr Green "fleetingly"

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touched her knee in a pub in 2015,

and later sent her

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a "suggestive" text.

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Let's talk to our

Political Correspondent.

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Take us through this timeline of

events? It can be quite confusing.

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There are two separate claims

surrounding Damian Green. There was

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an investigation into the claims

that Kate Maltby made, she set out

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those allegations in an article she

wrote for the times. She alleged

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that he had touched her knee, sent

her a suggestive text message that

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prompted a Cabinet Office

investigation which was subsequently

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widened to investigate claims

connected to pornography which was

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found on a parliamentary computer in

the office of Damian Green in 2008.

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That is ultimately over claims

connected to that is what Damian

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Green had to resign for. But Kate

Maltby now, the original person who

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made the claims about sexual

harassment against Damian Green has

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spoken out to say that she had

informed number ten about his

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behaviour a year ago. Before he was

promoted to effectively the Deputy

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Prime Minister. She said that she

told a senior aide at Downing Street

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about this. Now, Downing Street last

night was emphatic that the Prime

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Minister did not know. And this

morning we've heard from Theresa May

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in Cyprus, saying that the first she

heard about it was when she read

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Kate Maltby's on article in The

Times newspaper. So, you know, it is

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a rather complex issue connected to

Damian Green. But I think if you

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seem out of it and look at the

broader picture, it reopens those

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questions about how serious the

claims of sexual harassment,

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misconduct, inappropriate behaviour,

were taken in the past here in

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Westminster, before we had this

recent flurry of allegations and

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alleged victims coming forward.

Lots

of attention looking at who might be

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Damian Green's successor,

effectively Theresa May's number

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two. Jeremy Hunt being accused of

lining himself up from that one.

He

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is one of the big names in the

picture. Remember that Theresa May

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doesn't actually officially have to

replace that role. She could leave

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it open. She certainly was denying

today that she was going to do

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anything about it over the Christmas

period, so don't expect to hear much

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movement on that until the New Year.

You know, there will be a gap felt,

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if not in the actual role, certainly

by the absence of Damian Green

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himself. Remember he was a very

close personal ally of Theresa May.

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They go back a long way, to

university days, and certainly she

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can rely on him for support. She

will miss his personal presence and

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the role that he played as a key

ally of hers in the Cabinet. But

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whether she chooses to replace him

in the role of first Secretary of

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State, we'll have to wait I think

until January to find out.

Leila

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Nathoo, thank you.

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On the show this morning: Passports

- blue, burgundy or black?

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Or do you even care?

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They're bringing back

the old-style blue passports

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following a redesign post-Brexit.

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But anyone under 45

has never had one.

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Let us know your thoughts on this.

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Are you bothered? Is it hugely

important is to you?

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Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning.

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Use the hashtag #VictoriaLive.

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If you text, you will be charged

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Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

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of the rest of the day's news.

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Good morning.

Good morning, Chloe,

thank you.

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The Foreign Secretary, Boris

Johnson, is in Russia meeting his

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counterpart, Sergey Lavrov. He is

giving a news conference in about an

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hour, in which he is expected to say

that Russia must rein in its digital

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attacks or face retaliation from the

UK. Use also saying that he wants to

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cooperate with President Putin on

international challenges. Theresa

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May, who is in Cyprus this morning,

explained Boris Johnson's approach

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the Foreign Secretary is going to be

ensuring that when he is in Russia

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he will be speaking to

a very

hard-headed way with the Russians

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about the concerns that we have

about the activity, and also about

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the engagement that we want with

them.

Catalan separatist parties

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have won a majority in Spain,

plunging it into crisis. The result

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is a major setback for the Spanish

by minister, Mariano Rajoy. He

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called the election after

reasserting direct control to

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Catalonia following the declaration

of Independence.

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The dark blue British passport

is to make a return after Brexit.

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The Government said what it

described as the "classic" colour

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would be reintroduced

from October 2019.

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Here's our Home Affairs

Correspondent, Tom Symonds.

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What does Brexit mean?

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It turns out Brexit means no

more European burgundy.

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Brexit means British blue.

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And on the new passport,

the "E" word is nowhere to be seen.

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Some, like this BBC Newsnight

reporter back in the early

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days, will rejoice.

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It is the reality of what we are,

where we feel we belong.

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And for some people,

pocket-sized burgundy simply is not

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British.

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The passport is something so many

people still have fond memories of.

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The British blue passport

was with you for many years.

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I am pleased to let people know

we are going back to the classic

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blue and gold design.

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Not quite.

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The classic 1980s era passport

was bigger and hard-backed.

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The EU one, definitely easier

to slip into a shirt pocket.

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The new British passport will be

broadly the same design.

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The Government says the new colour

will not cost any more.

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Passports are redesigned regularly

to make them harder to forge.

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The blue one will start appearing

in 2019 as passports are renewed.

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Tom Symonds, BBC News.

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A man is being questioned

on suspicion of murdering a woman

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who was stabbed in a supermarket

in North Yorkshire yesterday.

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The 30-year-old woman was attacked

in an Aldi store in Skipton.

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Police said the suspect, who's 44,

was detained by shoppers

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and supermarket staff.

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The Christmas getaway is beginning.

For millions of motorists, heading

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for the festivities, hundreds of

roadworks are temporarily lifted,

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but there are still warnings of

delays because it is expected to be

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one of the busiest days of the year

on the roads and on the trains

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today. MPs are calling for an

introduction of a deposit scheme for

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plastic bottles. The Environmental

Audit Committee is considering

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making firms that use plastic

packaging responsible for the waste

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that they create. Roger Harrabin

reports.

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The UK uses around 13 billion

plastic bottles every year.

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Nearly half are put into landfill,

incinerated, or left as litter.

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Many ultimately find

their way into the sea.

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The MPs are urging the Government

to introduce a deposit

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and return scheme for bottles

as soon as possible.

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They want a new rule

obliging all cafes, pubs,

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and restaurants to provide free tap

water so people can top

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up their own refillable bottles.

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And they want many more

public water fountains.

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The MPs also propose

a sliding scale of charges

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on plastic packaging.

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So firms using easy to recycle

materials pay least,

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and those using difficult to recyle

plastic pay most.

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Ministers say they are consulting

with firms to find the best

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solutions to what they say

are serious problems

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with plastic waste.

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Roger Harrabin, BBC News.

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A policeman in the US state of

Florida has been dragged for more

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than half a mile clinging to a car

door after he tried to search a

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driver who was suspected of taking

drugs. Despite falling off at high

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speed, the officer was unharmed, and

the whole incident was filmed on his

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body camera.

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A police officer in Florida putting

on protective gloves.

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This car pulled over

with two suspects inside.

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The officer has spotted

what he believes could be

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heroin and needles,

and is about to search the vehicle.

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But the driver has other ideas.

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It's going to be in

front of Cambridge...

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Whoa, whoa!

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Clinging to the open door

and with one foot in the car,

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he is hurtled along at high speed.

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Despite his shouts, the driver shows

no sign of slowing down.

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For the officer, this unexpected

ride is only ending one way.

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Amazingly, the officer

gets back on his feet,

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the suspect's now long gone,

but the video camera

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is still recording.

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You're a hero!

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Awesome.

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The Pembroke Pines police

force later posted this

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footage on Facebook.

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And with the evidence they need

to pursue these dangerous drivers...

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We got the camera.

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Good job.

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All captured on camera.

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What do you think a Japanese

Christmas tradition would look like?

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Well, something like this.

SINGING

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A choir of around 10,000 people get

together each year to perform

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Beethoven's ninth Symphony. It's

thought the tradition began during

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the First World War, when a group of

German prisoners of war being held

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in the country sang out to joy at

Christmas time. -- ode to Joy.

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That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

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Let's get some sport.

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Hugh Ferris is with us this morning.

That smack talk about the Boxing Day

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Tasha is test. There could be a new

face for the England team -- let's

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talk about the Boxing Day Ashes

Test.

The Australians have already

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won the Ashes and they want a white

watch. It might make Mason Crane

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leave a roast potato or two on the

plate -- they want a whitewash. He

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is just 20, and he may become the

youngest specialist spinner to debut

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for England in 19 years. At least

the Hampshire player has some

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experience in Australia. But when he

was playing that this time last

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year, did he think he would be

coming back with England?

It never

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really crossed my mind. I like to

kind of live in the present. At that

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moment in time, I was just worried

about the next game and where I was

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going from there. It never crossed

my mind last year. As we've got

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closer, I guess it's become a bit

more real. Like I said, I've got to

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prepare as if I'm going to play the

same in every game. I'm going to

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have to get my head around it and

train hard.

He is a leg-spinner, and

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the MCG, actually home to the

greatest of all time, Shane Warne.

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No pressure, then! Although Mason

Crane has at least had the chance to

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talk to Shane Warne already on this

tour.

We've had a couple of chats in

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the mornings, and we will hopefully

chat a bit more as the tour goes on,

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he is the best ever stop and what

sort of thing is he saying to you?

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Nothing about bowling just yet.

Hopefully I'll get him in the next

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couple of games.

England have to

decide between Mason Crane or Tom

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Curran, the Surrey fast bowler,

because Craig over to looks like

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he's going to miss that game on

Boxing Day. We know it is the fee

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for World Cup this year but there is

another tournament that they are

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hosting, and it's not football.

Millions around the world will be

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watching what is happening in Russia

next summer. Fifa hope that millions

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will tune into the game version of

the World Cup, called the EE World

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Cup, one of the tournaments which

the governing body have put the

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media rights up for sale. It is

expected to attract a massive local

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audience, particularly of young

fans. Here on the BBC we have been

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showing is balls for a while now.

The first game is in January.

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Qualifying for the EE World Cup on

the fee for game has already begun.

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Just like the verbal tournament,

there will be 32 players competing.

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If you were not sure how seriously

the game is taking gamers, some

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Premier League clubs have already

hired players to represent them in

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East boards. They are wearing kits

and everything. One thing to say

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about them, compared to real

players, they are probably a little

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cheaper to buy!

A lot cheaper, I'm

sure! Thank you.

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Budget cuts, excessive workloads

and pay caps are some

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of the reasons that teachers

are quitting the profession.

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Almost a third of new teachers quit

the profession after five years,

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leaving rising numbers

of teacher vacancies.

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The Government though insists

there are record numbers

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of teachers in our schools.

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Now a brand new initiative

has been created which,

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it is hoped, will help.

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Now Teach takes top professionals,

already with successful careers,

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and transfers their skills

to the classroom.

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The pilot started in September,

and this programme has gained

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exclusive access to two teachers

working on the scheme.

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Our reporter Claire Jones has

been finding out how

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the first term has gone.

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And you can begin now.

Two minutes

left. DOS. You can read it in

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Spanish.

I had come to the end of my

career, I had had an interesting

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career and a fascinating career and

I thought if I retired and did

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nothing, not all that would go to

waste, and I did not like the idea

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of that. I wanted to do something.

I

spent 20 years trying to do my best

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for my country and I want to help

students and children in my own

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community.

Mature people who have

been through a career, who have

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experienced life who want to change

and give something back into

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different way, it is very exciting.

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There is a problem in our education

system. Almost a third of new

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teachers have quit the profession

after five years. Schools face

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rising numbers of teacher vacancies.

Head says schools are reaching

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crisis point. Now a brand-new

initiative has been launched which,

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it is hoped, will help. Now Teach

takes top professionals with

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successful career is already under

their belts into teaching. After a

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two-week crash course on what to

expect, they start a year of

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on-the-job training and we have been

to meet two of them. At this school

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in London Simon harking is starting

a school day. He is now an English

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teacher, having turned his back on a

high-flying career in the civil

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service which saw him for working

for the Foreign Office.

I worked in

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the Royal household at Balmoral

which was a great privilege, it was

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fantastic fun, I had never done

anything like that before. I work in

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the household office which is the

bit that runs the thing.

What did

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your role include?

Security.

Generally speaking you do not go

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into details about what you did and

who you knew and anyone who was

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there.

From the Royal household

Simon went on to spend decades in

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the Royal diplomatic service.

I was

there for over 25 years, but I

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finished up as head of the

department in London, head of the

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South American Department for three

years. After that I did three to us

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as head of mission in west Africa.

He even received a medal for his

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work helping tackle the Ebola

outbreak three years ago and his

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work concerned some of the most

dangerous places in the world.

When

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you are living with armed people

with you 24 hours a day, you cannot

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go anywhere without it and that

takes a little bit of getting used

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to.

At the waist says Shirley Park

School in Croydon for Belinda Burns

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the day is also beginning. She is

now a trainee Spanish teacher, but

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that is a far cry from her

glittering past career. She spent

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decades working at the heart of

government from everything working

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on the security at the Olympics from

being the UK's ambassador to Cyprus.

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I spent 20 years in the Foreign

Office which in London meant I was

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working in the ministry in Whitehall

advising the government ministers,

0:20:360:20:40

Number ten, about foreign affairs

and foreign policy. I was out in the

0:20:400:20:46

field working in embassies.

Her job

would often involve dealing with

0:20:460:20:49

life and death decisions.

The plane

was taken hostage and diverted to

0:20:490:20:56

Cyprus and it contained several

nationalities including British. At

0:20:560:20:59

one point we were worried and afraid

for the lives of everybody on board.

0:20:590:21:07

As the deputy you are managing the

team is on the crisis who are

0:21:070:21:12

constantly decision-making.

This is

Simon and Linda's first of teaching.

0:21:120:21:22

Simon's first lesson of the date is

teaching a Midsummer night's dream

0:21:220:21:27

to years seven, 11 and 12-year-olds.

A group of people begging someone

0:21:270:21:33

rich for money.

It does look like

that, doesn't it? I had come to the

0:21:330:21:40

end of my career, I had had an

interesting and fascinating career,

0:21:400:21:44

but I just thought if I just retire

and do nothing, all that has gone to

0:21:440:21:48

waste and I did not like the idea of

that. I wanted to do something with

0:21:480:21:53

it. It is a social responsibility I

suppose. If I can help in addressing

0:21:530:21:59

a gap, then why not do it?

The Now

Teach trainees receive some money

0:21:590:22:06

during their training year. The

amount depends on the subject they

0:22:060:22:09

teach. For English it is £15,000.

While on subjects where there is a

0:22:090:22:16

teaching shortage like Spanish that

could be up to £28,000. If they

0:22:160:22:21

successfully complete a year's

training they reach qualified

0:22:210:22:24

teacher status.

I have been lucky

enough to get a scholarship from the

0:22:240:22:29

British Council for teaching

languages. But you are right, the

0:22:290:22:33

second year will definitely be a pay

cut. At this stage in life you have

0:22:330:22:38

hopefully built up some savings and

built up some resilience and for me

0:22:380:22:42

it is never about the money, as long

as I have enough money, I want to do

0:22:420:22:48

the best job I can and something

that interests me. Ask me again next

0:22:480:22:52

year.

It sounds extremely arrogant

to say it, but I am not doing this

0:22:520:22:59

for the money. The salary when I

eventually get one will be very

0:22:590:23:03

attractive thank you very much! But

I am not depending on this for my

0:23:030:23:09

livelihood and I am not looking at

it as a career.

There certainly is a

0:23:090:23:15

need for more teachers. Government

figures from 2010-2015 show almost a

0:23:150:23:21

third of new teachers working in

state schools left within five years

0:23:210:23:26

of starting. Although the Department

for Education insists it is

0:23:260:23:29

investing £1.3 billion until 2020 to

attract more teachers and there are

0:23:290:23:35

now record numbers in our schools.

We are in a crisis in this country

0:23:350:23:40

in which we have a teacher shortage

and it is serious. Mature people who

0:23:400:23:45

have experienced life who now want

to change and give something back in

0:23:450:23:48

a different way because of the

crisis we have at the moment is very

0:23:480:23:52

exciting.

But is this the answer? It

is an untested pilot scheme and if

0:23:520:24:02

it goes wrong, it is the kids who

will pay the price.

I remember

0:24:020:24:08

saying, you are taking an enormous

punt because we, the Now Teach team,

0:24:080:24:14

I completely unknown to you, an

unknown quantity. No one has had any

0:24:140:24:21

dealings with us before. But she

would not see it like that before.

0:24:210:24:25

She thought I was taking an enormous

punt in doing it. We have different

0:24:250:24:29

views on it.

One thing we are good

at as a school is we are good at

0:24:290:24:35

training people. We have training

every week, every morning, in the

0:24:350:24:40

evenings where we consistently go

through what it looks like.

From day

0:24:400:24:46

one you have got 60 eyes upon you,

waiting for you to take charge of

0:24:460:24:53

the class and produce a great

lesson. So although you are learning

0:24:530:24:58

the job, you have to actually be

doing the job at the same time and

0:24:580:25:02

be credible in front of the

children. I think that has been a

0:25:020:25:06

major challenge.

The biggest

stumbling block has been actual

0:25:060:25:12

technology, using IT.

My IT skills

are embarrassingly poor, so I have

0:25:120:25:21

to work out how to do things. These

people do it so easily, the kids are

0:25:210:25:26

better at IT now. But if you are

coming in at approaching 60, that

0:25:260:25:32

will be the case.

You might think

the hours or the energy required

0:25:320:25:36

might be an issue, but that has not

been an issue. Simon is in very

0:25:360:25:41

early and stays very late.

Linda's

first lesson is also with year seven

0:25:410:25:48

students.

So, we played this game to

practice our Spanish and if we want

0:25:480:25:55

to join in, what language do we need

to ask in? Off you go. How quickly!

0:25:550:26:04

Really good. In diplomacy you are

dealing with very different people

0:26:040:26:10

around the world, different cultures

and languages, and you have to find

0:26:100:26:13

a way to express yourself and to

make your point is understood. So

0:26:130:26:19

with school I am trying to do that

with a different audience.

What do

0:26:190:26:23

the students think?

She is really

nice and helpful in Spanish and it

0:26:230:26:29

makes it even more fun for us to do

Spanish by playing games, like slap

0:26:290:26:35

the board, or we have a ball and we

have to catch and say stuff in

0:26:350:26:40

Spanish.

I was not really good at

Spanish last year, I struggled a lot

0:26:400:26:45

and Miss has helped me a lot. Now I

am at a higher level right now.

0:26:450:26:52

Thank you so much for having me...

The Now Teach training includes

0:26:520:26:58

regular feedback sessions for senior

and younger members of staff who act

0:26:580:27:02

as mentors throughout the year.

You

are going to copy this Spanish and

0:27:020:27:08

translate it into English.

At

lunchtime Linda joins the rest of

0:27:080:27:14

the team in the staff room and then

it is time for marking. Were you

0:27:140:27:19

surprised by the amount of marketing

and planning that teaching involves?

0:27:190:27:24

No, planning is something that is

really important and it takes time,

0:27:240:27:28

but you can whittle it down. Once

you know your classes well you can

0:27:280:27:32

get faster and better and marking is

a lovely opportunity to see the

0:27:320:27:37

kids' work. Some of them might be

quiet but their book is full of

0:27:370:27:42

beautiful work that you can give

feedback on.

This afternoon Linda is

0:27:420:27:47

heading into central London for a

group training session with other

0:27:470:27:50

members of the scheme. Simon's

lesson is over.

I am amazed at the

0:27:500:28:01

things they do and don't know and

the things they do and do not say.

0:28:010:28:04

They can be absolutely fantastic one

moment and you can give the class

0:28:040:28:11

that works and everything is fun.

Then you can do exactly the same

0:28:110:28:15

with the same kids later on in the

same day and it is a disaster. You

0:28:150:28:19

are thinking is it the kids? Was

there something wrong with lunch?

0:28:190:28:26

You are looking for explanations all

the time. But in reality the

0:28:260:28:32

explanation is you. What do the

students think? He is a good

0:28:320:28:36

teacher. He teaches good. If we need

some help, he also helps us to

0:28:360:28:41

understand.

I like this lesson

because we were talking about the

0:28:410:28:49

ancient times before we were born

and I also liked the pictures on the

0:28:490:28:53

board.

But it is still a work in

progress.

I am doing well less, but

0:28:530:29:04

it is taking all my time and my only

hope for a happy future is that I

0:29:040:29:10

get much quicker at planning and

organising and writing lessons and

0:29:100:29:15

so on. You are right to identify a

king, well done. I think I would

0:29:150:29:25

like them to see me as a reliable

source, someone they can trust with

0:29:250:29:30

the information that they are given.

That's what I am doing for them in

0:29:300:29:38

the classroom is what they need.

0:29:380:29:49

We will be talking in the next hour

to a couple of teachers who have

0:29:510:29:57

swapped their high-flying careers

for teaching in the classroom. Any

0:29:570:30:00

questions you have, put them to us.

A lot getting in touch on social

0:30:000:30:06

media. Anthony says, surely the

first thing to address is the reason

0:30:060:30:11

for the shortage. The low pay, the

long hours, the lack of respect from

0:30:110:30:17

parents and children? Bringing in

people with life experience will not

0:30:170:30:20

address these very real issues. Once

these issues are addressed, then

0:30:200:30:25

teachers with real-life experiences

will be invaluable. Sarah says

0:30:250:30:30

success in the business world is

different to success in teaching as

0:30:300:30:34

evidenced by this piece. People are

using children as guinea pigs and

0:30:340:30:38

they are not fully trained as the

children are in IT skills. I will

0:30:380:30:44

put that point to our teachers in an

hour's time. Keep those comments

0:30:440:30:49

coming in. Still to come: The

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson is

0:30:490:30:54

in Moscow meeting his counterpart

Sergey Lavrov. The UK and Russia

0:30:540:31:00

have not always had the best of

relationships, so we will see if

0:31:000:31:04

that is going to thaw. A chat with a

couple of Russian experts. We will

0:31:040:31:10

be live in Kensington where a local

volunteer group is putting on a

0:31:100:31:14

Christmas dinner for 95 families who

survived the Grenfell Tower fire.

0:31:140:31:20

Time for the latest news.

0:31:200:31:21

Here's Annita.

0:31:210:31:27

The headlines this morning on BBC

News... The Prime Minister has said

0:31:270:31:31

the first she knew about allegations

of inappropriate conduct by former

0:31:310:31:35

cabinet minister Damian Green was

when she read about them in the

0:31:350:31:38

media. The comment comes after the

woman who made the allegations, Kate

0:31:380:31:42

Maltby, told BBC News that she spoke

to a senior Downing Street aide

0:31:420:31:46

about his behaviour last year before

Mr Green was promoted. She

0:31:460:31:50

complained that Mr Green fleetingly

touched her knee in a pub in 2015

0:31:500:31:55

and later sent her a suggestive

text. The Foreign Secretary, Boris

0:31:550:32:00

Johnson, is in Russia meeting his

counterpart, Sergey Lavrov. It's the

0:32:000:32:05

first official visit to Moscow by a

British Foreign Secretary for more

0:32:050:32:08

than five years. Boris Johnson has

warned Russia that Britain is ready

0:32:080:32:12

to retaliate to cyber attacks, but

also said he wants to cooperate with

0:32:120:32:16

President Putin on international

challenges.

Where we can find

0:32:160:32:22

possibilities of cooperation on

issues where I think we have

0:32:220:32:28

substantial interests in common,

such as Iran and the need to

0:32:280:32:33

continue with the Iran nuclear deal.

Catalan separatist parties have won

0:32:330:32:38

a majority in the regional

elections, although the biggest

0:32:380:32:42

single party is one that opposes

separatism, the result is a major

0:32:420:32:46

setback for the Spanish Prime

Minister, Mariano Rajoy. He'd called

0:32:460:32:50

the election after surging direct

control over Catalonia following its

0:32:500:32:56

declaration of Independence --

reasserting direct control.

0:32:560:33:03

A man is being questioned

on suspicion of murdering a woman

0:33:030:33:06

who was stabbed in a supermarket

in North Yorkshire yesterday.

0:33:060:33:08

The 30-year-old woman was attacked

in an Aldi store in Skipton.

0:33:080:33:11

Police said the suspect, who's 44,

was detained by shoppers

0:33:110:33:13

and supermarket staff.

0:33:140:33:16

The Christmas getaway begins. The

millions of motorists, hundreds of

0:33:160:33:21

roadworks are temporarily lifted. It

is expected to be one of the busiest

0:33:210:33:24

days of the year on the roads, and

that goes for the trains too. Ian

0:33:240:33:29

Palmer is at Euston station in

London. What's it like the? Is it

0:33:290:33:32

extra busy?

Well, it's not too bad

at the moment, but, frankly, if you

0:33:320:33:38

are watching this now and you

haven't left home, you're probably

0:33:380:33:41

going to be in for a very difficult

time. Starting with the trains,

0:33:410:33:45

Network Rail is saying that it's

going to be carrying out its busiest

0:33:450:33:50

and biggest Christmas investment

programme between Christmas and New

0:33:500:33:54

Year. And they are urging travellers

to complete the journey is at the

0:33:540:33:59

latest if they can buy early

tomorrow morning. Services are going

0:33:590:34:06

to be severely disrupted,

particularly in the south-east and

0:34:060:34:08

going through London Bridge stations

between the 23rd of December right

0:34:080:34:13

up until the 1st of January.

Millions of journeys will be taking

0:34:130:34:18

place between now and obviously

Christmas Day. If we move onto the

0:34:180:34:24

roads, the M25 of course is the

major bottleneck in the south-east.

0:34:240:34:30

That will be incredibly busy today.

The RAC is saying that that will be

0:34:300:34:34

particularly busy and congested from

about lunchtime onwards. So, if you

0:34:340:34:40

are quick and you can get onto it

very shortly, you might be able to

0:34:400:34:43

escape the worst of it. This time

last year, the RAC was saying that

0:34:430:34:47

the biggest bottleneck without there

being an accident was on the A303, a

0:34:470:34:55

seven mile tailback at around 6pm on

Christmas Eve. Onto the planes,

0:34:550:35:00

there are going to be around 4.5

million journeys taking place over

0:35:000:35:05

the next few days. Heathrow Airport

is expecting around 130,000

0:35:050:35:10

passengers today alone. And it will

be incredibly busy there. The buses

0:35:100:35:16

are putting on extra services to

make sure that passengers can get to

0:35:160:35:19

where they need to go quickly. But

frankly, it is going to be tough.

0:35:190:35:23

And on a day like this, of course,

many people will take to their cars

0:35:230:35:27

rather than using public funds

bought. It is going to be a very

0:35:270:35:31

difficult they.

Ian Palmer, thank

you.

0:35:310:35:35

The dark blue British passport

is to make a return after Brexit.

0:35:350:35:38

The Government said what it

described as the "classic" colour

0:35:380:35:40

would be reintroduced

from October 2019.

0:35:400:35:46

MPs are calling for the introduction

of a deposit scheme for plastic

0:35:460:35:50

bottles to help protect this is from

pollution. The Commons Environmental

0:35:500:35:54

Audit Committee said it should be

between 10p and 20p, which consumers

0:35:540:35:58

would get back when they return the

bottle. It wants all cafes, pubs and

0:35:580:36:03

restaurants to provide free tap

water for people to top up

0:36:030:36:06

refillable bottles. We are going to

show you the dramatic moment that a

0:36:060:36:10

policeman in the US state of Florida

was dragged for more than half a

0:36:100:36:13

mile clean to the car door. The

officer was trying to surgery driver

0:36:130:36:21

who was suspected of taking drugs,

when the driver set off in an

0:36:210:36:24

attempted escape, with the policemen

clinging to the door. The incident

0:36:240:36:26

was captured on the offers a's body

count. Despite falling at high

0:36:260:36:29

speed, the officer was unharmed. --

NB offers a's body count.

0:36:290:36:34

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:36:340:36:36

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

0:36:360:36:38

Mason Crane says he is ready for an

England test debut if it comes in

0:36:380:36:43

the box and eight Ashes Test at the

MCG, the leg-spinner could well come

0:36:430:36:47

in for Craig Overton and become the

youngest specialist spinner to make

0:36:470:36:51

his England test debut in some 90

years. The festive football begins

0:36:510:36:56

later as Arsenal- Liverpool meet on

the first time on a Friday night

0:36:560:37:01

since the gunners won back in 1989.

West Brom Captain Jonny Evans could

0:37:010:37:07

be leaving the club next month after

they failed to persuade him to sign

0:37:070:37:11

a new contract. The defender was

linked with both Leicester and

0:37:110:37:14

Manchester city back in the summer.

Much more coming up later on. Thank

0:37:140:37:18

you, is you. -- hue.

0:37:180:37:22

The Foreign Secretary,

Boris Johnson, is in Moscow

0:37:220:37:24

for talks with his Russian

counterpart, Sergei Lavrov.

0:37:240:37:27

He has already described relations

with Britain this morning as being

0:37:270:37:33

at a low point. Mr Lavrov has

rebuked the Foreign Secretary for

0:37:330:37:37

comments that he made in which he

urged the Russians to cease

0:37:370:37:42

activities which I'd is the blazing

Europe. Mr Johnson said that whilst

0:37:420:37:45

frankness is Mrs Ari, so is the

British- Russian relationship.

--

0:37:450:37:50

frankness is necessary.

0:37:500:37:51

When I look at the difficulties

in our relationship,

0:37:510:37:54

whether it is over Ukraine

or the Western Balkans or

0:37:540:38:00

what's going on in cyberspace,

I agree with you that it's important

0:38:000:38:03

to talk about these

things and to be frank

0:38:030:38:05

about them and to accept

that

0:38:050:38:07

they are obstructions

in our relationship at the moment.

0:38:070:38:15

As you say, we are

both P5 members, we

0:38:150:38:17

both have a duty to our countries

and to the world to work together

0:38:170:38:21

for peace and security, and where

we can, I think we can find

0:38:210:38:24

possibilities of cooperation

on issues where I think we have

0:38:240:38:27

substantial interests in common,

such as Iran and the need to

0:38:270:38:30

continue with the Iran nuclear deal.

0:38:300:38:35

So, what is the UK hoping

to achieve with this visit?

0:38:350:38:38

And is there any chance

of a thaw in relations?

0:38:380:38:40

Here's John Owen on the

background to the talks.

0:38:400:38:45

It's been five years since a British

Foreign Secretary visited Russia.

0:38:450:38:48

But today, after cancelling

two earlier trips due

0:38:480:38:50

to diplomatic tensions,

Boris Johnson is at last in Moscow,

0:38:500:38:53

hoping to make some progress

towards increased cooperation

0:38:530:38:56

between Russia and the UK.

0:38:560:39:00

On the agenda will be some

of the big foreign policy

0:39:000:39:03

challenges of the day.

0:39:030:39:04

Ukraine, North Korea, Iran,

and regional stability

0:39:040:39:05

in the Middle East.

0:39:050:39:08

But in recent years,

UK-Russian relations have been

0:39:080:39:10

strained to say the least.

0:39:100:39:13

And whilst the objective

of this visit might be

0:39:130:39:15

increased cooperation,

there's no shortage

0:39:150:39:17

of reasons for tensions

between the two countries.

0:39:170:39:20

So, how did we get here?

0:39:210:39:27

Remember this man?

0:39:270:39:29

After the death of former Russian

spy Alexander Litvinenko in London

0:39:290:39:32

in 2006 and following an inquiry

that ended last year,

0:39:320:39:36

the UK Government accused

the Kremlin of his murder.

0:39:360:39:42

In 2014, Russia annexed

Crimea from the Ukraine,

0:39:420:39:45

making use of disguised special

forces in unmarked uniforms,

0:39:450:39:48

nicknamed Little Green Men.

0:39:480:39:52

In response, the UK has

supported the US and EU

0:39:520:39:54

sanctions against Russia.

0:39:540:39:59

Things took yet another turn

for the worst in 2015,

0:40:010:40:04

after Russia intervened

in the Syrian civil war

0:40:040:40:06

on the side of President Assad,

who the UK Government argued

0:40:060:40:09

was waging a brutal

campaign of repression

0:40:090:40:11

against his own population.

0:40:110:40:15

And, most recently, Theresa May has

accused Russia of meddling

0:40:160:40:20

in democratic elections in the West

and spreading fake news.

0:40:200:40:23

So I have a very simple

message for Russia -

0:40:230:40:26

we know what you are doing,

and you will not succeed.

0:40:260:40:31

All of this, combined with some

occasional nuclear sabre-rattling

0:40:310:40:35

and military brinkmanship,

has meant that the last few years

0:40:350:40:38

has seen some of the worst relations

between Britain and Russia

0:40:380:40:41

since the Cold War.

0:40:410:40:42

In this context, Mr Johnson's effort

to encourage any further cooperation

0:40:420:40:45

with a country that he himself

described recently as "cold, nasty,

0:40:450:40:48

militaristic and undemocratic"

might prove it for order.

0:40:480:40:56

-- might prove a tall order.

0:40:560:40:58

Of course, Britain has not been

alone amongst western countries

0:40:580:41:01

in criticising Russia's recent

behaviour on the

0:41:010:41:02

international scene.

0:41:020:41:04

But, with Mr Putin's grip on power

seemingly unassailable,

0:41:040:41:06

pragmatists will say that the only

way forward towards more normal

0:41:060:41:15

relations with Russia

and to a reduction

0:41:150:41:16

in military tensions

0:41:160:41:17

is is to increase

diplomatic engagement.

0:41:170:41:19

We can chat about this further now

with Sir Tony Brenton, the former

0:41:190:41:22

British Ambassador to Russia.

0:41:220:41:23

And James Nixey, the Head

of the Russia and Eurasia Programme

0:41:230:41:26

at the international affairs

think-tank Chatham House.

0:41:260:41:32

Good morning, gentlemen. First of

all, James, bearing in mind

0:41:320:41:35

everything we have just seen in that

the background, how much is there in

0:41:350:41:39

this trip?

Relatively good will, it

must be said. The fact of the matter

0:41:390:41:45

is, although there should be areas

where we can cooperate with Russia,

0:41:450:41:50

Russia its self simply isn't

interested at the moment. It want

0:41:500:41:53

something substantially different to

that which the UK wants. The UK, is

0:41:530:41:58

still a part of Europe and certainly

a part of the broader West, it does

0:41:580:42:02

stick to what we called the

Westphalia and system, a post-Cold

0:42:020:42:05

War order of where all states that

are recognised as independent are

0:42:050:42:11

just such. But Russia believes in

sovereignty but not in the area of

0:42:110:42:14

the former so but union, where

Russia desires, insists, that it

0:42:140:42:20

must maintain control -- the former

Soviet Union. As a result of that,

0:42:200:42:24

the two countries are not going to

get on and all there is a change of

0:42:240:42:28

position between the one side and

the other.

Tony, do you agree with

0:42:280:42:31

that?

I couldn't disagree more! Is

it so might and interesting charges

0:42:310:42:38

against Russia, the Russians have a

list of charges against us, they see

0:42:380:42:42

us as having supported by

demonstrations against the tin and

0:42:420:42:46

encouraged the Georgians to attack

them in 2008 and participating in

0:42:460:42:50

the overthrow of friendly regimes in

Iraq and Libya. To offer some

0:42:500:42:54

obvious examples. The point I'm

making, each side has its list of

0:42:540:42:58

charges against the other. The level

of tension is high end actually

0:42:580:43:03

dangerous. There are planes flying

appallingly close to each other over

0:43:030:43:06

Syria as we speak. It's important to

get that level of tension down. Ross

0:43:060:43:11

Thomson going to Moscow is a helpful

further step in doing that -- Boris

0:43:110:43:16

Johnson going to Moscow.

Is he the

man to do that? When we look at the

0:43:160:43:27

line but that has been used and his

track record, shall we say, for

0:43:270:43:30

putting his foot in things, is he

the right person to be headed to

0:43:300:43:33

Moscow when, as you point out,

relations are so bad was plot I

0:43:330:43:35

think the approach he has taken is

encouraging.

He has the cover his

0:43:350:43:38

back here in UK politics by saying

aggressive things about Russian

0:43:380:43:41

cyber attacks, of which there is

little evidence. But he has gone in

0:43:410:43:45

the same, we need to find areas

where we can work together. He has

0:43:450:43:49

identified some obvious ones, Iran

being an obvious one, North Korea,

0:43:490:43:52

and others. Islamic terrorism, for

example, we both have a dreadful

0:43:520:43:59

problem that we need to work

together to tackle. Most

0:43:590:44:03

interestingly, all of this stuff

about cyber warfare, each side

0:44:030:44:06

suspecting the other of doing or

threatening appalling things, we

0:44:060:44:09

need to begin to find a way of

controlling that area, as we did

0:44:090:44:13

with nuclear weapons back in the

60s, and establish some rules of the

0:44:130:44:17

road there as well.

James, do you

think that Boris Johnson, the

0:44:170:44:20

Foreign Secretary, should be going

over the ad being hard, playing

0:44:200:44:25

hardball on the allegations of cyber

attacks, or do you think there needs

0:44:250:44:29

to be a more consolatory town?

No,

playing hardball is reasonable, as

0:44:290:44:34

long as one can do it firmly and

politely, but I think a bit more

0:44:340:44:38

honesty in a relationship whereby we

understand the two countries are

0:44:380:44:41

simply actually not going to get on

well the current regime in Moscow

0:44:410:44:45

stays in power is actually quite

refreshing. It's not that Ross

0:44:450:44:48

Thomson shouldn't go to Moscow, he

can take the opportunity to deliver

0:44:480:44:53

certain messages. Those messages

with by that if there is continued

0:44:530:44:57

cyber intervention in the UK,

manipulation, I disagree with Tony,

0:44:570:45:01

I believe there is substantial

evidence for that, then there will

0:45:010:45:05

be repercussions. And I think that

rather than sort of freezing out and

0:45:050:45:10

isolationism, this is an opportunity

and for Russians to Boris Johnson,

0:45:100:45:15

he should simply give as good as he

gets.

Tony, what's Russia's general

0:45:150:45:22

view of Britain? Does it see it as a

world power, something that's

0:45:220:45:26

important in the whole framing of

relations around the world?

They see

0:45:260:45:30

us as an important international

player, which will undoubtedly, a

0:45:300:45:34

permanent member of the Security

leading member of the security

0:45:340:45:39

corporation. They see us as among

the most rural and European

0:45:390:45:43

countries in our aversion to Russia

and Russia's behaviour at the moment

0:45:430:45:47

-- the relevant. They see us as

close to the United States. They

0:45:470:45:49

believe that by establishing common

ground with us that helps them to

0:45:490:45:55

establishing common ground with the

United States.

James, do you agree?

0:45:550:45:59

Absolutely, I think that is true. We

have the Americans' era on security

0:45:590:46:04

issues and we are part of the

European Union and we are leading an

0:46:040:46:08

Sangchan is in that respect,

although there is a Brexit element

0:46:080:46:11

here, -- we are leading on

sanctions. When the UK has left the

0:46:110:46:16

EU, maybe we will be looking for

other markets in the future, and

0:46:160:46:20

that may include Russia, which

doesn't currently exist as a market

0:46:200:46:27

because of the sanctions.

You have

mentioned the idea of working

0:46:270:46:29

together, Britain and Russia, or

North Korea and Syria. What about

0:46:290:46:31

the World Cup next year in Russia?

We know there is a potential for

0:46:310:46:35

flash points between Russian and

England fans, we saw that last year

0:46:350:46:39

in France. Can the two countries

work together, do you think, Sir

0:46:390:46:43

Tony? I have read that the two

intelligence services don't even

0:46:430:46:46

communicate at all.

0:46:460:46:52

You are right. I was ambassador in

Russia when we had a couple of big

0:46:520:46:56

football matches. Setting up the

process so that the Russian police

0:46:560:47:05

behave is a crucial part of the

process. And at the time of the

0:47:050:47:10

Olympics a couple of years ago, at

the moment we have no contact at all

0:47:100:47:15

between our security services, but

we waved that for the period of the

0:47:150:47:21

Olympics because cooperation on

intelligence threats was very

0:47:210:47:23

important. The World Cup offers

another opportunity to do a similar

0:47:230:47:29

thing and open up the possibility of

increased cooperation in general,

0:47:290:47:33

notably on Islamist extremism.

That

you both for joining us and talking

0:47:330:47:38

to us this morning.

0:47:380:47:38

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Obviously at Christmas,

thoughts often turn to people

0:47:590:48:01

who aren't as fortunate.

0:48:010:48:02

We've been hearing from survivors

of the Grenfell fire

0:48:020:48:04

for the last six months.

0:48:040:48:05

For them, this festive season

is going to be anything but normal.

0:48:050:48:08

But one of the local volunteer

groups is putting on a Christmas

0:48:080:48:11

meal to remember for 95 families

who survived the fire,

0:48:110:48:13

many of whom also lost loved ones.

0:48:130:48:15

Let's talk to our reporter

Ashley John-Baptiste.

0:48:150:48:22

It looks festive down there. Tell us

more.

Yes, it does. I am at a

0:48:220:48:28

church, the main church hall. It is

called the Tabernacle Christian

0:48:280:48:34

Centre and it is literally down the

road from Grenfell Tower. This

0:48:340:48:37

church has been a key player in the

local community in the last few

0:48:370:48:42

years and it is led by Derek Wilson

who has been leading this church for

0:48:420:48:49

24 years. Since the Grenfell Tower

fire it has been a key part of the

0:48:490:48:53

support for the survivors. On that

tragic morning in June when the fire

0:48:530:48:59

occurred the church became a

makeshift donation centre handing

0:48:590:49:02

out food, clothing and other

essentials to survivors. It has been

0:49:020:49:07

over six months since the fire and

it continues to provide 95 families

0:49:070:49:13

with food, clothing and other

essentials and also emotional

0:49:130:49:17

support. Tonight is a significant

night because it will be hosting a

0:49:170:49:21

Christmas dinner for the Grenfell

Tower survivors. It is important to

0:49:210:49:25

say this is a dinner for all

survivors regardless of religious

0:49:250:49:30

background. Volunteers are currently

preparing halal food for the Muslim

0:49:300:49:34

guests. There is a lot of activity

going on. We have volunteers here

0:49:340:49:40

who are very excited, preparing the

dining tables. I assure you this is

0:49:400:49:46

a church hall. It looks like a

dining hall at the moment. That is

0:49:460:49:51

apart from the religious logos at

the back. How are you feeling?

Quite

0:49:510:49:55

excited.

We can speak to the pastor

of this church, Derek. Tallis about

0:49:550:50:05

the Christmas dinner and what else

that you have planned for the

0:50:050:50:07

survivors.

We are very excited for

the survivors, putting on this

0:50:070:50:12

banquet. We got together as a team

about a month ago thinking about

0:50:120:50:18

what we could do for the survivors

because they will still be in hotels

0:50:180:50:22

at Christmas. We thought let's put

on about as close to Christmas as

0:50:220:50:27

possible. We got on the phone and

started asking companies to help us.

0:50:270:50:31

His Royal Highness provided the

decorations. Casablanca provided the

0:50:310:50:36

chairs and the table. Look at this

wonderful 5-star spread. The Ritz

0:50:360:50:44

hotel, Waitrose, Tesco and quite a

few others have come on board.

Can

0:50:440:50:52

we look at this cake? It is

extraordinary looking. Is it a

0:50:520:50:56

donation?

This is the business, a

nativity scene. It is a work of art.

0:50:560:51:04

What food do we have on the menu?

For our special guests and for

0:51:040:51:11

Muslims we have got halal food being

prepared for them. We have got

0:51:110:51:15

turkey, potatoes, rice, we have got

gateau and this will all be provided

0:51:150:51:23

by people like Waitrose and Tesco.

More broadly how have you been

0:51:230:51:29

supporting survivors in the past six

months?

In the past six months this

0:51:290:51:34

has been a one-stop place were

survivors can come for donations

0:51:340:51:38

that have come in from all over the

country like clothes and toiletries

0:51:380:51:42

and food as well. But also comfort.

Spiritual comfort. They find this a

0:51:420:51:49

safe haven to come to. They feel

safe coming in. As long as they need

0:51:490:51:54

as we will continue to be here.

Fantastic. We can now speak to

0:51:540:52:01

Abigail Bolton, she is a volunteer

and has come all the way from

0:52:010:52:05

Gloucestershire. She moved to London

to this church after the fire with

0:52:050:52:09

her four children to help the relief

effort. She is currently living in

0:52:090:52:13

the prayer room. Hello, how are you,

Abigail? Very well. How are you

0:52:130:52:19

helping to prepare for tonight?

We

have got the gifts to get sorted and

0:52:190:52:24

we have got the marquee to get

sorted which will be the grotto.

0:52:240:52:28

Everything has to be prepped in here

and all the decorations are ready

0:52:280:52:32

outside for the reindeers. Tell us

more. Real reindeers coming all the

0:52:320:52:37

way from Oxford and they are

travelling up for the children to

0:52:370:52:40

see.

We have got two of your

children. Hello, Ellie. Your mum has

0:52:400:52:47

decided to move to London to help

the Grenfell Tower survivors. What

0:52:470:52:51

do you think about that?

I like it

because we go to the Tabernacle

0:52:510:52:57

School and we have a lot more.

That

is the local school. And do you like

0:52:570:53:03

London? Yes.

Zak, how are you?

Good,

thank you. How is it for you moving

0:53:030:53:12

to London and helping the survivors?

It is good moving and it feels good

0:53:120:53:18

to help the survivors if they are in

need. Yes, it is good.

Cool.

0:53:180:53:26

Abigail, we have heard a lot about

the trauma and the mental health

0:53:260:53:30

issues survivors face. What about

the volunteers? Are you burnt out?

0:53:300:53:36

We are tired, it is very stressful

for the volunteers as well. Anyone

0:53:360:53:41

who was here around about the time

of the fire it was an horrific

0:53:410:53:46

experience to be fair. Yes, you

naturally take it on board. It is

0:53:460:53:53

being like a sponge and somebody

explain to me it will eventually

0:53:530:53:56

leak. Finally we can speak to a

survivor who was on the 12th for on

0:53:560:54:08

the night of the fire and this

church has been a massive support to

0:54:080:54:12

her. I should say this is her first

time speaking to the media. Let's go

0:54:120:54:20

back and talk about how you escape

on the night of the fire.

On the

0:54:200:54:25

night of the fire I was in the flat

with my close friend and sister. She

0:54:250:54:32

came to do a Bible study with us.

When the other members left we slept

0:54:320:54:39

and we were woken up by a phone

call. We could not leave the flat

0:54:390:54:45

and we started praying and reading

the Bible. We prayed all the way

0:54:450:54:52

through and the firefighters came

and they rescued as at 3:30am. The

0:54:520:55:00

fire started at one o'clock.

And so

they guided you down the stairs from

0:55:000:55:06

the 12th floor. How was that?

The

smoke was very thick and that is why

0:55:060:55:14

we could not leave the flat. I do

not know how they did it thinking

0:55:140:55:19

back. It was very difficult, but

they did take us out. I was shouting

0:55:190:55:27

and I was calling, Jesus, Jesus. It

was a difficult moment.

Very quickly

0:55:270:55:35

how are you now and how has this

church supported you since the fire?

0:55:350:55:41

Yes, this church has supported me to

giving me these nice clothes, this

0:55:410:55:47

code and scarf I received from this

church. It was donated to them, and

0:55:470:55:54

some other things as well from this

church.

And tonight was my Christmas

0:55:540:56:00

dinner, what will it mean to you and

other survivors?

This is special and

0:56:000:56:08

the place looks great and amazing.

For me this is a very special time

0:56:080:56:13

of the year. In idea 9.6 it says for

us a child is given and a child is

0:56:130:56:27

born and the government shall be out

on his shoulders.

That is a

0:56:270:56:32

religious scripture. What will it

mean for the community more broadly?

0:56:320:56:37

For the community is great because a

lot of people are in a hotel and

0:56:370:56:42

they are not with their families and

it is good to have something like

0:56:420:56:47

this, a special celebration.

Finally, where will you be spending

0:56:470:56:51

Christmas day? I will be spending

Christmas Day at my friend's has,

0:56:510:56:59

she was with me on that night. As

you can see there is some excitement

0:56:590:57:05

and expectation for tonight's

dinner. Over to you.

0:57:050:57:08

Over to you.

0:57:080:57:11

The dark blue British passport

is to make a return after Brexit.

0:57:110:57:15

The government said what it

described as the "classic" colour

0:57:150:57:17

would be reintroduced

from October 2019.

0:57:170:57:19

A lot of you getting in touch about

that and we will get more reaction

0:57:190:57:23

after ten. Let's get some weather.

My kids keep telling me there are

0:57:230:57:28

three sleeps to go. Any chance of

any white stuff anywhere?

0:57:280:57:33

Yes, there is, but not with you. You

will find it if you Christmas

0:57:370:57:42

Mountains on Day. But this morning

we have some lovely pictures. This

0:57:420:57:46

one has come in from Essex. And this

morning we had a lovely sunrise, but

0:57:460:57:53

it was quite misty. If you like it

cloudy, mild and damp, you are in

0:57:530:57:59

for a treat because that is the

forecast! Today we have got a

0:57:590:58:05

weather front sinking southwards.

High pressure is building in and in

0:58:050:58:10

the north of the country it is also

rather breezy. We have got four in

0:58:100:58:16

Northern Ireland, Scotland and

north-west England, Wales and the

0:58:160:58:20

South West. That will slowly lift

into low cloud. Some brighter breaks

0:58:200:58:26

in north-west England this afternoon

and also in parts of eastern

0:58:260:58:30

Scotland. North-west England still

remains fairly murky. These

0:58:300:58:35

temperatures are good for the 22nd

of September. Temperatures lower in

0:58:350:58:40

Scotland, but the West sees

outbreaks of rain and some murky

0:58:400:58:45

conditions. 11 degrees, it is not a

bad temperature in Northern Ireland

0:58:450:58:52

at this time of the year. In Wales

the fog lifts into low cloud. The

0:58:520:58:58

same can be said of the South West

England. Highs of 12 Celsius in

0:58:580:59:04

Plymouth. In Southern counties it is

still cloudy with the remnants of

0:59:040:59:08

the drizzle continuing to push into

the Channel Isles. This evening and

0:59:080:59:13

overnight it will be cloudy once

again and we will see a return to

0:59:130:59:17

patchy mist and fog. A weather front

coming in from the North West will

0:59:170:59:22

produce some rain. Some of that will

be heavy at times and it will also

0:59:220:59:26

be windy. 5 degrees in Aberdeen and

in the countryside it will be lower

0:59:260:59:33

than that. For much of the UK it is

eight or nine. Tomorrow the fog will

0:59:330:59:39

be slow to left. In the north of

Scotland there will be some heavy

0:59:390:59:42

rain and it will be windy. There

could be gusts up to gale force. In

0:59:420:59:48

the South we will see some brighter

breaks, but look at the temperature

0:59:480:59:52

in Aberdeen. Today it is a five or

six and tomorrow it is 12. On

0:59:521:00:00

Christmas Eve the weather front is

still an northern Scotland and

1:00:001:00:03

getting into Northern Ireland and it

is a South westerly wind which is a

1:00:031:00:08

mild direction, but it also brings

in quite a lot of cloud and dampness

1:00:081:00:13

in the coasts and the hills.

Temperatures 8-11. Finally for

1:00:131:00:19

Christmas Day we have got a band of

rain sinking southwards and

1:00:191:00:22

eastwards. A level uncertainty as to

the timing of that. Head of it we

1:00:221:00:32

are looking at cloudy, breezy and

still mild.

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Boris Johnson is in Russia, and has

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1:01:251:01:31

aggression or risk retaliation, but

also said that he wants to cooperate

1:01:311:01:35

with President Putin on

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Good morning.

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It is 10:02am.

1:02:181:02:19

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

1:02:191:02:22

Good morning.

1:02:221:02:24

The Prime Minister has said

the first she knew about allegations

1:02:241:02:27

of inappropriate conduct by former

Cabinet minister Damian

1:02:271:02:28

Green was when she read

about them in the press.

1:02:281:02:31

The comment comes after the woman

who made the allegations,

1:02:311:02:33

Kate Maltby, told BBC News

that she spoke to a senior

1:02:331:02:36

Downing Street aide about his

behaviour last year before

1:02:361:02:38

Mr Green was promoted.

1:02:381:02:40

Ms Maltby complained that

Mr Green "fleetingly"

1:02:401:02:42

touched her knee in a pub in 2015,

and later sent her

1:02:421:02:45

a "suggestive" text.

1:02:451:02:49

The Foreign Secretary,

Boris Johnson, is in Russia

1:02:491:02:51

meeting his counterpart,

Sergey Lavrov.

1:02:511:02:53

It's the first official visit

to Moscow by a British Foreign

1:02:531:02:56

Secretary for more than five years.

1:02:561:02:58

Boris Johnson has warned Russia

that Britain is ready

1:02:581:03:04

Mr Lavrov has this morning described

relations with Britain as being at

1:03:041:03:08

the low point after warnings that

Britain is ready to retaliate to

1:03:081:03:13

cyber attacks. But Mr Johnson said

that he wants to cooperate with

1:03:131:03:17

President Putin an international

Challengers. -- international

1:03:171:03:21

Challengers.

1:03:211:03:23

Where we can, I think,

we can find possibilities

1:03:231:03:25

of cooperation on issues

where I think we have substantial

1:03:251:03:27

interests in common, such as Iran,

and need to continue

1:03:271:03:30

with the Iran nuclear deal.

1:03:301:03:31

Catalan separatist parties

have won a majority

1:03:311:03:32

in the regional elections.

Although the biggest single party

1:03:321:03:35

is one that opposes separatism,

the result is a major setback

1:03:351:03:39

for the Spanish Prime

Minister, Mariano Rajoy.

1:03:391:03:42

He'd called the election

after asserting direct

1:03:421:03:44

control over Catalonia

following its declaration

1:03:441:03:48

of independence.

1:03:481:03:51

A man is being questioned

on suspicion of murdering a woman

1:03:511:03:53

who was stabbed in a supermarket

in North Yorkshire yesterday.

1:03:531:03:56

The 30-year-old woman was attacked

in an Aldi store in Skipton.

1:03:561:03:58

Police said the suspect, who's 44,

was detained by shoppers

1:03:581:04:01

and supermarket staff.

1:04:011:04:06

The Christmas getaway begins,

and for millions of motorists

1:04:061:04:09

heading off for the festivities

hundreds of roadworks

1:04:091:04:12

are temporarily lifted,

but it's still expected to be one

1:04:121:04:14

of the busiest days

of the year on the roads.

1:04:141:04:17

That goes for the trains, too.

1:04:171:04:19

Railway stations are busy up

and down the country.

1:04:191:04:23

The dark blue British passport

is to make a return after Brexit.

1:04:231:04:27

The Government said what it

described as the "classic" colour

1:04:271:04:30

would be reintroduced

from October 2019.

1:04:301:04:36

MPs are calling for the introduction

of a deposit scheme for plastic

1:04:361:04:39

bottles to help protect the seas

from pollution.

1:04:391:04:41

The Commons Environmental Audit

Committee says it should be

1:04:411:04:43

between 10p and 20p,

which consumers would get back

1:04:431:04:45

when they returned the bottle.

1:04:451:04:48

It also wants all cafes,

pubs and restaurants to provide free

1:04:481:04:51

tap water for people to top up

refillable bottles.

1:04:511:04:57

This is the dramatic moment that

a policeman in the US state

1:04:581:05:01

of Florida was dragged for more

than half a mile

1:05:011:05:03

clinging to a car door.

The officer was trying to search

1:05:031:05:06

a driver who was suspected of taking

drugs when the driver set off

1:05:061:05:09

in an attempted escape,

with the policeman

1:05:091:05:11

clinging to the door.

1:05:111:05:13

The incident was captured

on the officer's bodycam.

1:05:131:05:15

Despite falling off at high speed,

the officer was unharmed.

1:05:151:05:20

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:05:231:05:25

I'll be back with more at 10:30am.

1:05:251:05:31

Thank you, Annita

1:05:311:05:33

Thank you, Annita.

1:05:331:05:34

Here's some sport now with Hugh

1:05:341:05:38

With the ashes already gone, England

are likely to decide between two

1:05:381:05:41

potential debutants for the fourth

Test. Mason Crane, he is just 20, if

1:05:411:05:52

he is preferred to Tom Curran, he

will come in for the injured Craig

1:05:521:05:57

Overton. He does have some

experience in Australia, but did he

1:05:571:06:02

think he would be coming back with

England?

It never really crossed my

1:06:021:06:05

mind. I like to kind of live in the

present, and at that moment in time

1:06:051:06:11

I was just worried about the next

game and where I was going from

1:06:111:06:14

there. It never crossed my mind last

year. As it got closer, I guess it's

1:06:141:06:19

become a bit more real. Like I said,

I play as if I'm going to play the

1:06:191:06:24

same every game. I have to get my

head around it and train hard.

Last

1:06:241:06:28

time that Arsenal and Liverpool met

on a Friday night was back in 1989.

1:06:281:06:33

In the final game of the season, it

was the gunners who won at Anfield

1:06:331:06:37

to claim the league title in

dramatic league circumstances. This

1:06:371:06:40

takes not quite as high this time,

but even with both languishing well

1:06:401:06:46

behind Premier League leaders

Manchester city, Jurgen Klopp's team

1:06:461:06:48

don't want to be headed home for

Christmas with a defeat.

We have to

1:06:481:06:55

be ready for a different challenge

on Friday. Its arsenal, and we have

1:06:551:06:58

quite a talented group there. They

can create chances as well. We need

1:06:581:07:04

to be spot on. All the players need

to be spot-on in this specific part

1:07:041:07:08

of the game.

It looks like Jonny

Evans could be one of the big names

1:07:081:07:12

to move in the January transfer

window after West Brom failed to

1:07:121:07:15

convince him to sign a new contract.

It is understood he has no intention

1:07:151:07:19

of extending his stay at the

hawthorns. Many teens expressed an

1:07:191:07:26

interest in the Northern Ireland

international back in the summer.

1:07:261:07:30

Stoke manager Mark Hughes says he

doesn't recognise stories that he

1:07:301:07:33

only has one game to save his job.

Reports have surfaced that defeats

1:07:331:07:39

in their next match against West

Brom could spell the end of his 4.5

1:07:391:07:44

year reign. Hughes says the longer

it goes on the more difficult it

1:07:441:07:48

gets, but he doesn't sent any

apprehension about where they are.

1:07:481:07:51

Fifa have put the media rights for

the E World Cup, which is expected

1:07:511:08:02

to have massive audiences of Young

fans. Just like the real thing,

1:08:021:08:10

there will be 32 players competing

in the main event. But in the gaming

1:08:101:08:13

tournament they will be playing for

cash and not the famous trophy.

1:08:131:08:18

That's it for now. The headlines

just after 10:30am. Thank you, is

1:08:181:08:22

you. -- hue.

1:08:221:08:30

Budget cuts, excessive workloads

and pay caps are some of the reasons

1:08:301:08:33

that teachers are

quitting the profession.

1:08:331:08:35

Almost a third

1:08:351:08:36

of new teachers quit

the profession after five years,

1:08:361:08:38

leaving rising numbers

of teacher vacancies.

1:08:381:08:41

The Government, though,

insists there are record numbers

1:08:411:08:43

of teachers in our schools.

1:08:431:08:44

Now a brand new initiative

has been created which,

1:08:441:08:46

it is hoped, will help.

1:08:461:08:47

Now Teach takes top professionals,

already with successful careers,

1:08:471:08:50

and transfers their skills

to the classroom.

1:08:501:08:51

The pilot started in September,

and this programme has gained

1:08:511:08:54

exclusive access to two teachers

working on the scheme.

1:08:541:08:56

Our reporter Claire Jones has

been finding out how

1:08:561:08:58

the first term has gone.

1:08:581:08:59

Me gusta la musica clasica.

1:08:591:09:00

There is a problem

in our education system.

1:09:001:09:03

Almost a third of new

teachers have quit the

1:09:031:09:05

profession after five years.

1:09:051:09:13

Headteachers say schools

are reaching a crisis point.

1:09:131:09:16

Now, a brand-new initiative

has been launched

1:09:161:09:19

which, it is hoped, will

1:09:191:09:20

help.

1:09:201:09:22

Now Teach takes top professionals

with successful careers

1:09:221:09:24

already under their

belts into teaching.

1:09:241:09:26

After a two-week crash course

on what to expect, they start

1:09:261:09:36

At Arc all Saints School

in London, Simon Harkin

1:09:361:09:38

is starting the school day.

1:09:391:09:40

He's now an English teacher,

having turned his back

1:09:401:09:42

on a high-flying career.

1:09:421:09:49

I work in the Royal

Household at Balmoral,

1:09:491:09:51

which was a great privilege.

1:09:511:09:52

It was fantastic fun, I had never

done anything like that before.

1:09:521:09:55

From the Royal household,

Simon went on to spend decades

1:09:551:09:58

in the Diplomatic Service.

1:09:581:10:00

I was there for over 25 years,

but I finished up as the head

1:10:001:10:04

of the South America Department,

and then after that I did

1:10:041:10:06

three tours as head

of mission in west Africa.

1:10:061:10:13

At Oasis Shirley Park School

in Croydon, for Linda Burns,

1:10:131:10:15

the day is also beginning.

1:10:151:10:17

She is now a trainee Spanish

teacher, but that is also a far cry

1:10:171:10:20

from her glittering past career.

1:10:201:10:24

She spend decades working

at the heart of Government,

1:10:241:10:26

on everything from the security

at the 2012 London Olympics to most

1:10:261:10:30

recently being the UK's deputy

Ambassador to Cyprus.

1:10:301:10:34

I spent about 20 years

in the Foreign Office,

1:10:341:10:37

which in London meant that

I was working in the Ministry

1:10:371:10:40

in Whitehall advising

the Government, ministers,

1:10:401:10:44

Number Ten about foreign

affairs and foreign policy.

1:10:441:10:46

Then I was out in the field

working in embassies.

1:10:461:10:48

The Now Teach trainees receive some

money during their training year.

1:10:481:10:51

The amount depends

on the subject they teach.

1:10:511:10:58

It sounds extremely arrogant

to say it, but I am not

1:10:581:11:00

doing this for the money,

I am not depending on this

1:11:001:11:03

for my livelihood, and I am not

looking at it as a career.

1:11:031:11:07

The Department for Education insists

it is investing £1.3 billion

1:11:071:11:10

until 2020 to attract more teachers,

although there are concerns

1:11:101:11:14

about the future.

1:11:141:11:18

We are in a crisis at

the moment in this country

1:11:181:11:21

in which we have a teacher shortage,

and it is really serious.

1:11:211:11:24

Typical clothes that they wore

in ancient Athens.

1:11:241:11:26

But is this the answer?

1:11:261:11:29

Now Teach is an untested pilot

scheme, and if it goes wrong,

1:11:291:11:32

it's the kids that

will pay the price.

1:11:321:11:36

My IT skills are embarrassingly

poor, and so I have

1:11:361:11:38

to work out how to do

1:11:381:11:39

things from scratch.

1:11:391:11:41

These people do it so easily,

the kids are better at IT than I am.

1:11:411:11:46

This afternoon, Linda is heading

into central London for a group

1:11:461:11:49

training session with other members

of the scheme.

1:11:491:11:53

Simon's lesson is over,

but it is still a work in progress.

1:11:531:12:03

My only hope for a happy future

is that I get much quicker

1:12:041:12:07

to planning and organising myself

and writing lessons.

1:12:071:12:09

Lucy Kellaway is the

co-founder of Now Teach.

1:12:121:12:15

After a distinguished

career as a journalist

1:12:151:12:16

at the Financial Times,

she is now a trainee maths teacher.

1:12:161:12:20

Simon Harkin worked as a diplomat

in the Foreign Office around

1:12:201:12:23

the world and served in the Royal

Household.

1:12:231:12:25

He is now a trainee English teacher.

1:12:251:12:26

Louise Regan is the president

of the National Education Union,

1:12:261:12:29

the UK's largest education union,

and a teacher.

1:12:291:12:39

Thank you all for coming in. I'm

interested to know why you two

1:12:391:12:46

suddenly felt the need to step away

from what was clearly financially

1:12:461:12:50

rewarding careers to go into

teaching?

Well, I had just been

1:12:501:12:54

doing what I was doing for too long.

I was on the FT for 32 years. It was

1:12:541:13:00

amazing, it was a lovely job. But

our careers are going to last

1:13:001:13:04

forever. I'm 58 now and I think I've

got 15 years of work left in me. I

1:13:041:13:09

didn't want to go on doing the same

thing. Actually, motivations change.

1:13:091:13:19

I've got some savings, making money

wasn't particularly important to me.

1:13:191:13:21

And I wanted to do something useful.

What can be more useful than

1:13:211:13:25

teaching?

Absolutely. I had come to

the end of my career. I'm retired

1:13:251:13:30

now. And I just thought that

everything that I had achieved and

1:13:301:13:35

my education was all going to go to

waste if I do something with it. So,

1:13:351:13:41

when the opportunity came along with

Now Teach, I read an article that

1:13:411:13:45

Lucy had written in the Evening

Standard, I thought, let's have a

1:13:451:13:48

look and see how that goes. All the

way through the recruitment process

1:13:481:13:52

I took that same attitude of, oh,

I've got through that bit so I'll go

1:13:521:13:57

on and do the next and see what

happens. I'm happy to say that I've

1:13:571:14:03

enjoyed my first term. And I'm

hoping to continue to enjoy it.

1:14:031:14:08

Lewies, people may not be aware of

the problem within teaching,

1:14:081:14:12

particularly retention of teachers.

Why is it a problem? Lots of people

1:14:121:14:16

are getting in touch saying, it's

lovely that you are getting new

1:14:161:14:19

people in, but if you are not

addressing the problems like

1:14:191:14:22

workload and pressure, some people

even suggesting parents of children

1:14:221:14:26

not respecting teachers, that's a

real problem. Do you see that as the

1:14:261:14:29

issue?

I think it is a huge issue.

The workload is the most highly

1:14:291:14:41

cited reason for people leaving the

profession. We know that huge

1:14:411:14:44

numbers are leaving in the first

five years after training, and that

1:14:441:14:46

isn't approving. We also know we are

not recruiting enough teachers to

1:14:461:14:48

initial teacher training,

particularly in some areas. Maths

1:14:481:14:50

and computing particularly are very

low in terms of recruitment in. And

1:14:501:14:52

I think because of the issues raised

about workload, it puts people off

1:14:521:14:56

playing into those as professionals,

you know, because it's seen as a

1:14:561:15:00

really hard job in terms of

workload.

Lucy, in Now Teach, you

1:15:001:15:06

are effectively learning on the job.

That might concern some parents,

1:15:061:15:11

that you haven't been through a 3-4

years of teacher training. Yes,

1:15:111:15:17

you've got experience in the

business world, but one person got

1:15:171:15:20

in touch with us to say that

business and teaching are very

1:15:201:15:22

different.

1:15:221:15:28

They are right, business and

teaching and journalism and teaching

1:15:281:15:30

are very different. But Now Teach

has not invented a new route into

1:15:301:15:37

the profession. We are using

existing

1:15:371:15:39

the profession. We are using

existing teacher training. It is

1:15:391:15:42

on-the-job training said the

training we are having is exactly

1:15:421:15:45

the same as the training 22 would

have going through a similar scheme.

1:15:451:15:49

Lots of teachers do on-the-job

training, so we did not do that.

Did

1:16:001:16:04

you do a crash course in the summer?

We did a summer school which was a

1:16:041:16:09

few weeks long, but after that my

school itself did another week's

1:16:091:16:13

training for all new members of

staff, whether they had been

1:16:131:16:18

teaching already or not. The most

impressive thing is the in-school

1:16:181:16:23

training that we have throughout the

year.

Parents watching this may

1:16:231:16:29

worry, three weeks training and you

are let loose on my child?

Our

1:16:291:16:34

schools are similar. In my school I

am not being let loose on anyone's

1:16:341:16:38

child. The school quite rightly does

not expect me to go in there and be

1:16:381:16:43

able to do a difficult job because

teaching is very hard and I do not

1:16:431:16:47

have a clue. There is an experienced

teacher in the classroom with me at

1:16:471:16:53

all times sitting at the back and I

am allowed to have a go myself, but

1:16:531:16:59

oh, my goodness, if I was doing

anything bad for the children, they

1:16:591:17:02

would be on to it immediately. That

is how we learn. And at the end of a

1:17:021:17:07

lesson in which you are very heavily

observed you will be told what went

1:17:071:17:13

well, the www, and the even better

ifs. It is not what went horribly

1:17:131:17:22

wrong.

Our worry is a union is that

it is variable. You had a good model

1:17:221:17:30

there, but it is important that

there is school-based work. We think

1:17:301:17:36

that is really important, trainee

teachers should have time in school,

1:17:361:17:39

but they should also get a good

amount of time learning the pedagogy

1:17:391:17:44

of teaching and it is important we

keep those as component parts of a

1:17:441:17:47

teacher's training. We think there

should be a link with higher

1:17:471:17:52

education and it is important that

government has oversight of teacher

1:17:521:17:55

training because they need to ensure

that all teachers get the same level

1:17:551:18:00

of support, the same level of

training and the same understanding,

1:18:001:18:04

so that we had the highest qualified

teachers we can.

To in Lancashire

1:18:041:18:10

says this. Year on year successive

governments spend billions on

1:18:101:18:14

recruiting teachers. Surely the root

cause of retention needs to be

1:18:141:18:19

looked at, workload, behaviour,

general conditions. The two schools

1:18:191:18:22

in the VAT looked to have good

behaviour, but this is not the case

1:18:221:18:27

around the country. Many managers

focus too much on Ofsted,

1:18:271:18:31

particularly if the school is in

special measures after putting more

1:18:311:18:34

pressure on staff. I am wondering

what age group you are teaching. If

1:18:341:18:41

you have three weeks experience and

training before you go into a

1:18:411:18:45

classroom in what is an nice school

compared to the school with

1:18:451:18:50

problems, could they not just eat

you for breakfast?

You walk in, you

1:18:501:18:56

are beautifully well spoken, the

Porsche, elder people who do not

1:18:561:18:59

have a clue. Do you understand what

I am saying?

In Now Teach we are

1:18:591:19:07

putting people into schools were

behaviour is good for that reason.

1:19:071:19:11

We are working with schools in

deprived areas which have very good

1:19:111:19:15

leadership. We think if the school

is well managed, there is a higher

1:19:151:19:21

chance that our training will be

good. After our training period we

1:19:211:19:25

can go and work wherever suits us. I

might like to work one day in a

1:19:251:19:31

school where the behaviour is more

challenging, but I think it is

1:19:311:19:35

important I am not thrown into the

Lions were a Mac then on day one

1:19:351:19:39

because this way I have a better

chance of learning the tricks of the

1:19:391:19:42

trade and being able to teach really

well.

I do not mean to be rude.

1:19:421:19:46

Energy levels as older people. Like

parents, it is easier when you are

1:19:461:19:54

younger. I go into school to

volunteer and after an hour I want

1:19:541:19:59

to lie down. Is that an issue? In

terms? Older people and others going

1:19:591:20:06

into teaching?

I think we need to

recruit a broad spectrum of people

1:20:061:20:12

in our schools. It is good for

children to see older people and

1:20:121:20:16

younger people in the classrooms. If

people are well supported, they will

1:20:161:20:20

get more out of it. But we have also

got young people being warned by the

1:20:201:20:26

workload in our schools.

Has that

been a challenge for you?

No, it has

1:20:261:20:33

not. In previous careers we have all

had high pressurised jobs. We are

1:20:331:20:40

used to the pressure and long hours

and difficult circumstances. Living

1:20:401:20:44

and working in west Africa is

difficult, physically and

1:20:441:20:49

emotionally difficult. It is a very

demanding environment. The pressures

1:20:491:20:55

are different in teaching, there is

no question about it. It is

1:20:551:20:58

difficult to put your finger on what

the difference is, but it is there.

1:20:581:21:04

I do not think so far at any rate

that my age has been a factor.

1:21:041:21:11

Whether I turn out to be any good or

not, it is my suitability for

1:21:111:21:18

teaching which is there, but I do

not feel my age is a factor. It does

1:21:181:21:22

not feel like it to me.

I thought it

would be a factor and it was not

1:21:221:21:28

just the energy levels. The energy

levels are a red herring. I think

1:21:281:21:33

the teachers who really save are not

our contemporaries, they are parents

1:21:331:21:38

with young children. That is when

you are really exhausted. It is

1:21:381:21:44

those who I fear for most. Some of

the 20-year-old who are doing

1:21:441:21:48

goodness knows what at the weekend

look more haggard on Monday morning

1:21:481:21:51

than I do. I do not think it is the

energy levels at all. I worried

1:21:511:21:59

would I be able to remember the

names, but the adrenaline of doing

1:21:591:22:04

such an exciting, new job makes me

feel more energetic than I have for

1:22:041:22:08

ages.

Absolutely. The things you

think you will be most worried

1:22:081:22:13

about, like behaviour, those things

are not the things that you worry

1:22:131:22:18

about most when you are in the

classroom.

So what do you worry

1:22:181:22:23

about?

When the children ask you a

question or something happens that

1:22:231:22:27

is unexpected and you do not have

the background and experience to

1:22:271:22:30

know exactly what to do. You have to

think, what do I do now? It is not

1:22:301:22:37

second nature. It makes you slow in

your response whereas it should be

1:22:371:22:42

much more immediate and

straightforward. That is where I

1:22:421:22:45

think, I hope nothing goes wrong

today, I hope I will be able to

1:22:451:22:49

manage it if it does.

Lucy, what has

been the most surprising moment in

1:22:491:22:54

the classroom so far as the

technology moments were quite bad at

1:22:541:22:59

the beginning, but I am learning.

I

was terrible at the beginning. In

1:22:591:23:06

three successive lessons I wrote on

the electronic board with a felt

1:23:061:23:08

marker.

I bet the school were happy

with you!

Delighted, but to do it

1:23:081:23:17

three lessons running takes some

doing. Then I got flustered and got

1:23:171:23:22

my own summer is wrong on the board.

But one time in I am so much better

1:23:221:23:27

and I have not done that stand for

ages.

Either parent welcoming?

That

1:23:271:23:36

is the big difference between when I

was at school in the 60s and 70s and

1:23:361:23:41

now, the engagement of the school

with families. It is so different.

1:23:411:23:47

The families know everything. For

example, when you came to do the

1:23:471:23:53

filming, all the parents were

contacted of the children in my

1:23:531:23:56

class so they were happy, it is a

child safeguarding thing. That would

1:23:561:24:01

never have happened in my school. It

was limited to a parent evening

1:24:011:24:06

which the children were not at. I

have just done a parent Burmah

1:24:061:24:11

evening and they were there with

their children.

We have to wrap this

1:24:111:24:14

up.

1:24:141:24:17

We have to wrap this up.

1:24:171:24:18

Thank you so much for coming in.

1:24:181:24:19

Thank you so much for coming in.

1:24:191:24:21

Coming up...

1:24:211:24:22

Who will be busier's Christmas

number one? George Michael, Ed

1:24:221:24:27

Sheeran, Eminem? They are all up to

take the prize. We will be

1:24:271:24:37

discussing who will be the likely

winner with the lead singer of The

1:24:371:24:42

Darkness. This was released in 2003

and failed to get to number one.

1:24:421:24:55

Let's take a look at a Japanese

Christmas tradition. A choir of

1:24:551:25:00

around 10,000 people get together

easier to perform Beethoven's ninth

1:25:001:25:04

Symphony. Here they are.

1:25:041:25:13

I really love it, it is so powerful,

it is energetic.

It encourages me in

1:26:451:26:51

the bad times and the good times.

1:26:511:26:54

Time for the latest news.

1:27:531:27:54

Here's Annita.

1:27:541:28:04

The Prime Minister said the first

she knew about allegations of

1:28:041:28:08

conduct by Damian Green was when she

read it in the media.

1:28:081:28:19

The comment comes after the woman

who made the allegations,

1:28:191:28:22

Kate Maltby, told BBC News

that she spoke to a senior

1:28:221:28:24

Downing Street aide about his

behaviour last year before

1:28:241:28:26

Mr Green was promoted.

1:28:271:28:28

Ms Maltby complained that

Mr Green "fleetingly"

1:28:281:28:29

touched her knee in a pub in 2015,

and later sent her

1:28:291:28:32

a "suggestive" text.

1:28:321:28:34

The Foreign Secretary,

Boris Johnson, is in Russia

1:28:341:28:36

meeting his counterpart,

Sergey Lavrov.

1:28:361:28:37

It's the first official visit

to Moscow by a British Foreign

1:28:371:28:40

Secretary for more than five years.

1:28:401:28:41

Boris Johnson has warned Russia

that Britain is ready

1:28:411:28:43

Mr Lavrov has this morning described

relations with Britain as being at

1:28:431:28:46

the low point after warnings that

Britain is ready to retaliate to

1:28:461:28:49

cyber attacks.

1:28:491:28:50

But Mr Johnson said

that he wants to cooperate with

1:28:501:28:53

President Putin an

international Challengers.

1:28:531:28:54

Where we can I think we can find

possibilities of corporation in

1:28:541:28:59

areas where we have substantial

interests in common, such as Iran

1:28:591:29:02

and the need to continue with the

Iran nuclear deal.

1:29:021:29:07

A man is being questioned

on suspicion of murdering a woman

1:29:071:29:10

who was stabbed in a supermarket

in North Yorkshire yesterday.

1:29:101:29:12

The 30-year-old woman was attacked

in an Aldi store in Skipton.

1:29:121:29:15

Police said the suspect, who's 44,

was detained by shoppers

1:29:151:29:17

and supermarket staff.

1:29:181:29:21

Catalan separatist parties

have won a majority

1:29:211:29:25

in the regional elections.

1:29:251:29:27

Although the biggest single party

1:29:271:29:28

is one that opposes separatism,

the result is a major setback

1:29:281:29:31

for the Spanish Prime

Minister, Mariano Rajoy.

1:29:311:29:32

He'd called the election

after asserting direct

1:29:321:29:34

control over Catalonia

following its declaration

1:29:341:29:36

of independence.

1:29:361:29:41

MPs are calling for the introduction

of a deposit scheme for plastic

1:29:411:29:43

bottles to help protect the seas

from pollution.

1:29:431:29:45

The Commons Environmental Audit

Committee says it should be

1:29:451:29:48

between 10p and 20p,

which consumers would get back

1:29:481:29:50

when they returned the bottle.

1:29:501:29:52

It also wants all cafes,

pubs and restaurants to provide free

1:29:521:29:56

tap water for people to top up

refillable bottles.

1:29:561:30:01

The dark blue British passport

is to make a return after Brexit.

1:30:011:30:04

The Government said what it

described as the "classic" colour

1:30:041:30:06

would be reintroduced

from October 2019.

1:30:061:30:09

It's almost 30 years since UK

passports switched to maroon

1:30:091:30:12

to match other EU passports.

1:30:121:30:17

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:30:171:30:22

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:30:221:30:26

Mason Crane says he is ready for an

England passed debut if it comes in

1:30:261:30:30

the Boxing Day Ashes Test at the MCG

the leg-spinner could come in for

1:30:301:30:34

Craig Overton if he does against

Australia he would be the youngest

1:30:341:30:39

specialist spinner to make his

England debut in some 90 years. The

1:30:391:30:43

festive football begins later. The

two teams involved, Arsenal and

1:30:431:30:47

Liverpool. They meet on a Friday

night for the first time since the

1:30:471:30:51

Gunners famously won at Anfield to

claim the league title back in 1989.

1:30:511:30:56

West Brom captain Jonny Evans could

well be the last month after the

1:30:561:31:00

club this failed to persuade him to

sign a new contract. He was linked

1:31:001:31:07

with Leicester, Arsenal and

Manchester city in the summer.

1:31:071:31:12

There should be an overhaul

of the foster care system,

1:31:121:31:14

according to an influential

group of MPs.

1:31:141:31:16

The Education Committee says the way

foster care is organised

1:31:161:31:18

is inconsistent around the country,

leading to bad experiences

1:31:181:31:21

for both foster parents

and the children they look after.

1:31:211:31:23

Included in the proposals

is an increase in funding to improve

1:31:231:31:26

training available to foster carers,

and to end the practice

1:31:261:31:28

of separating siblings

that are in care.

1:31:281:31:32

We can talk about this more now

with Robert Halfon MP,

1:31:321:31:35

who's the Conservative chair

of Parliament's Education

1:31:351:31:38

Select Committee.

1:31:381:31:41

Gemma Ronte, a foster carer.

1:31:411:31:44

Rachel, who is in foster care

and was separated from her siblings.

1:31:441:31:50

And Scott King, who was separated

from his brother in foster care

1:31:501:31:53

and now trains social workers

on the importance of keeping

1:31:531:31:57

siblings in care together.

1:31:571:32:03

Thank you all for joining us.

Rachel, I want to start by speaking

1:32:031:32:09

to you if I can about your

experience. Thank you so much for

1:32:091:32:13

speaking to us today.

Thanks for

having me.

I know you went into

1:32:131:32:17

foster care when you were seven and

you were separated from your sister

1:32:171:32:20

and your brother. For me, I found

that amazing that siblings were

1:32:201:32:24

separated. Many people watching this

will be surprised. What effect did

1:32:241:32:28

that have new?

It was a traumatising

experience. Like, really

1:32:281:32:33

heartbreaking. Because obviously you

are separated from your mum and

1:32:331:32:41

that. And then you're separated from

your siblings, which, for me it was

1:32:411:32:44

easier to get separated from my mum

and that, because I had my siblings

1:32:441:32:47

there. But then getting separated

from my siblings was heartbreaking

1:32:471:32:50

because now I'm by myself in the

world.

Did you get to see them

1:32:501:32:54

regularly? How did work for you?

When I us got separated from them, I

1:32:541:32:58

was allowed to see them every

Christmas, Easter, Halloween, then

1:32:581:33:02

sort of holidays. Once they got

moved away from home, I wasn't

1:33:021:33:05

allowed to see them when they got

moved from that foster carer to

1:33:051:33:09

another one.

What effect has that

had and your relationship with them

1:33:091:33:13

now?

Well, I felt like we've lost

kind of a bond. But we're still

1:33:131:33:19

connected now, because obviously I

see them, and we are creating that

1:33:191:33:23

sibling bond again. But for me I

felt the bond could have been

1:33:231:33:26

stronger if we had stayed together.

Whereas now it's a bit weaker than

1:33:261:33:30

it should have been.

Rachel, stay

with us, I want to bring in Scott

1:33:301:33:34

now. Scott, you were separated from

your brother in. You are. It sounded

1:33:341:33:39

like a hugely harrowing experience

-- from your brother in foster care.

1:33:391:33:44

You literally came home one day and

were told that your brother doesn't

1:33:441:33:48

live with you any more stop

1:33:481:33:51

yes.

What does that do to you?

It's

not good. Things like that happen

1:33:531:34:01

and it makes you lose trust in the

system that supposed to be looking

1:34:011:34:04

after you, because I was quite a

naughty child, they didn't tell me

1:34:041:34:08

what I needed to know because they

thought I was going to kick off

1:34:081:34:10

because I was quite volatile as a

child, so they withhold the

1:34:101:34:14

information from me. It meant that

when I came home from school he just

1:34:141:34:18

wasn't there any more. They thought

that was OK to do that. And then

1:34:181:34:21

obviously as a result I broke down

that placement very quickly and then

1:34:211:34:26

I had a succession of placements

after that that broke down very

1:34:261:34:30

quickly because I just didn't trust

the system any more. Although me and

1:34:301:34:33

my brother were fighting a lot, he

was my only family member that I

1:34:331:34:38

had. By taking him away, and the

longer felt safe. I felt on my own.

1:34:381:34:42

And he is literally all that I had,

you know, in terms of consistency,

1:34:421:34:47

he was the only family member that

had been in my life and always have

1:34:471:34:56

been. To take him from B was taking

the biggest part of my life away.

1:34:561:34:59

And then they struggle to see why my

behaviour got worse as a result of

1:34:591:35:02

that.

Scott and Rachel, it's

heartbreaking to hear what has

1:35:021:35:04

happened to you. Robert Halfon, can

you explain why this is even

1:35:041:35:06

happening today, that siblings are

being separated?

I should just say,

1:35:061:35:12

Rachel came before our Select

Committee, and when she gave the

1:35:121:35:16

evidence, our mouths went right,

some of the MPs on the committee

1:35:161:35:19

were brought to tears by hearing her

story -- our mouths went dry. Duminy

1:35:191:35:25

siblings are separated. A survey

from Ofsted suggested something like

1:35:251:35:31

over 70% of siblings were not

together -- too many siblings are

1:35:311:35:33

separated. This, to us, to the

committee, is unacceptable, and we

1:35:331:35:40

are urging to do the Government to

do a lot more to ensure consistency

1:35:401:35:45

in terms of siblings being kept

together, and also in terms of

1:35:451:35:48

placements. But we also want to make

sure that foster carers are valued

1:35:481:35:53

too, because Foster carers are often

undermined and underappreciated, and

1:35:531:35:56

they are often undervalued. They

weed through a treacle of

1:35:561:36:04

bureaucracy yet they are social

Justice champions.

Gemma, you are

1:36:041:36:08

foster carer. Do you feel, as Robert

says, undervalued?

Foster carers

1:36:081:36:13

have been telling us for a long time

that they work in the most

1:36:131:36:17

challenging of circumstances and

that they do feel consistently and

1:36:171:36:20

are supported by Children's Services

-- and are supported by Children's

1:36:201:36:26

Services. Not always treated as part

of the professional team around the

1:36:261:36:31

child, not always shared the

information about the children that

1:36:311:36:33

they are by -- are being asked to

look after. This report is welcome

1:36:331:36:40

to foster carers, it goes into a lot

of detail about where the system can

1:36:401:36:44

be overhauled so that the most needy

young people in our society to get

1:36:441:36:47

the care and stability that they

need.

How much consultation, shall

1:36:471:36:54

we say, you'd given, how much do you

know about a child before they come

1:36:541:36:58

to you? How much do you know before

a child leaves your home?

In many

1:36:581:37:03

cases, very, very little. My first

little boy Hugh came into our care,

1:37:031:37:08

I was literally called at 10am on a

Friday morning to be told that a

1:37:081:37:12

child was coming into care and they

were going to court at that point

1:37:121:37:15

and he would be with me at some

point that evening. I knew his name

1:37:151:37:19

and I knew his ethnic background and

I knew a little bit of the

1:37:191:37:30

circumstances in which he was being

taken away from his birth family,

1:37:301:37:32

but that was it. By that evening,

she was placed in my arms. He was a

1:37:321:37:35

five-month-old.

Scott, I want to

bring you back in. You trained

1:37:351:37:37

social workers now to explain the

importance of not separating

1:37:371:37:42

siblings. Just explain to us how

that works and whether there is a

1:37:421:37:46

general recognition that that's the

right thing to do?

Yes, I mean, I've

1:37:461:37:51

been training foster carers and

social workers for about five years

1:37:511:37:54

off the back of my own experiences

because the care system is riddled

1:37:541:37:59

with problems, that there are

solutions to, that have been going

1:37:591:38:04

on for a very long time. I mean, the

problem is, we are living in this

1:38:041:38:09

risk averse culture when everyone is

so scared of being sued and looked

1:38:091:38:13

down upon that so many policies are

put in place which lead to really

1:38:131:38:19

poor decisions. Everything is over

assessed, everything has to have a

1:38:191:38:23

label on it. You know, there is

reams of paperwork on it. A simple

1:38:231:38:28

thing like sibling rivalry, I

suppose one of the things I say to

1:38:281:38:32

carers, Wendy were kids, did you

fight with your siblings? They all

1:38:321:38:35

agree. But when you and care, that

gets over assessed and they start

1:38:351:38:41

torque by transference and

attachment issues and they split you

1:38:411:38:43

up and they say that's for the best.

I've worked with kids in residential

1:38:431:38:47

care that have been split from the

siblings and a couple of the

1:38:471:38:50

siblings have gone away from

adoption and they no longer see them

1:38:501:38:54

any more. Children come into care to

be protected from harm, and they are

1:38:541:38:57

shipped around the system like

Amazon packages and is not OK and

1:38:571:39:01

it's been going on for too many

years. Young people have been

1:39:011:39:10

raising these issues for years and

years and years, I've been sat with

1:39:101:39:13

young people crying about these

issues, talking about these issues,

1:39:131:39:15

the issues are clear, and nobody is

doing anything about it. They feel

1:39:151:39:18

like they are not listened to.

Decisions are made by social workers

1:39:181:39:20

playing gods of young pupils lives

because they have been through a

1:39:201:39:23

three-year degree at University they

think they can do things for the

1:39:231:39:26

best, but they are not taking into

consideration is the feelings and

1:39:261:39:30

attachments. I had 36 different

placements in Kev. Kids have far too

1:39:301:39:34

many placements. I'm not the only

one. It's very common to have that.

1:39:341:39:38

You are thrown out the system at the

end of it. Just to finish up with

1:39:381:39:42

that, the bottom line is, the reason

siblings shouldn't be split up is

1:39:421:39:47

because inevitably there comes a

point where care ends, and you and

1:39:471:39:54

nobody's troll. And at the end of

that, social services and the, all

1:39:541:39:57

you have left is your friend groups

and whatever family members you've

1:39:571:39:59

got left -- you are nobody's child.

My family are no use to me apart

1:39:591:40:07

from my birth brother. I've had to

come back to him. We've had

1:40:071:40:10

different lives so we turned out to

be completely different people, and

1:40:101:40:13

we battled for a long time until it

got to the point now where we are

1:40:131:40:17

very close. But we have both had

suicide attempts and stuff and

1:40:171:40:21

supported each other through that.

We keep each other alive now. The

1:40:211:40:25

importance of keeping siblings

together is huge, but they are just

1:40:251:40:28

split up like it's nothing.

Scott,

Rachel is nodding. Rachel, I want

1:40:281:40:34

you to share your experiences as

well. You were nodding away, what

1:40:341:40:38

you want to add, Rachel?

What is God

is saying is really important

1:40:381:40:42

because they do separate siblings

without a thought about it -- what

1:40:421:40:46

Scott is saying. They are not

considering our feelings, they just

1:40:461:40:50

see, OK, this child wants this, we

will just separate them. In my

1:40:501:40:54

situation, they me because they said

I was able detective. We had just

1:40:541:40:59

got into foster care with strangers

that you don't even know -- they

1:40:591:41:02

said that I was overprotective. Of

course you are going to be

1:41:021:41:06

overprotective, they are your

siblings, they were younger than me.

1:41:061:41:08

I felt I had duty to protect them

and look after them. For them to

1:41:081:41:12

say, we are going to separate you so

I can be a child, it was like,

1:41:121:41:17

that's not what I want. It's

something that you want but I want

1:41:171:41:20

to protect my siblings, be there for

them. And in my sense, there could

1:41:201:41:29

have been a different way to manage

the situation. Because, yes, I was a

1:41:291:41:32

carer. But I didn't have to get

separated. I could have been, like,

1:41:321:41:36

encouraged to, like, let the force

that carer look after my siblings

1:41:361:41:39

better. Because obviously I felt

that I had to look after them still.

1:41:391:41:45

But if someone had made me feel more

comfortable and safe in the

1:41:451:41:48

environment, I wouldn't have had to

do that. Which meant that we

1:41:481:41:51

wouldn't have had to be separated.

Gemma is agreeing with you.

I

1:41:511:41:56

absolutely am, Rachel is right. It

takes time to form a fostering

1:41:561:42:00

family. It takes time for children

to feel comfortable with the new

1:42:001:42:04

carers and with any siblings that

might be in the fostering household.

1:42:041:42:08

It takes skill on the part of the

foster carer, using the support

1:42:081:42:13

available to them, to welcome those

children in and help them to find a

1:42:131:42:18

new way of being children and

leaving behind the really dreadful

1:42:181:42:22

start that they've often had through

no fault of the rogue.

Robert, also

1:42:221:42:26

tell us what are the changes your

inquiry is recommending -- through

1:42:261:42:31

no fault of their own. Clearly not

separating siblings is what we have

1:42:311:42:36

been discussing here, but it's more

than that, isn't it?

I think Scott

1:42:361:42:40

and Rachel particularly have just

expressed all the problems that

1:42:401:42:43

exist under foster care at the

moment better than our report could

1:42:431:42:47

have ever done. But what we want to

do is end the frequency of

1:42:471:42:51

placements. There should be proper

advocacy rights for children. One

1:42:511:42:55

trial told us that they were just

told to move from a foster carer

1:42:551:42:59

within a few days before Christmas,

just given a black sack. Others have

1:42:591:43:04

been moved frequently, as we have

just heard. We want to put a stop to

1:43:041:43:07

that and support Foster carers by

having a national foster carers

1:43:071:43:12

college to bring them together to

share best practice. We need to

1:43:121:43:16

ensure that foster carers get the

minimum allowance. Because 12% of

1:43:161:43:20

councils don't even pay foster

carers the minimum allowance. We

1:43:201:43:23

want to ensure that foster carers

get proper legal protection as well.

1:43:231:43:27

These are some of the

recommendations in the report

1:43:271:43:30

advocacy for children, stopping the

frequent placements, better

1:43:301:43:34

matching, proper resources put in,

and making sure that foster carers

1:43:341:43:37

are valued. As I say, they are

champions of social justice. They do

1:43:371:43:44

a remarkable job. They should be

recognised. We want a national

1:43:441:43:48

recruitment campaign and a national

awareness campaign to promote the

1:43:481:43:51

value of foster carers and the work

that they do.

Obviously that's a job

1:43:511:43:55

that many people wouldn't be able to

do and I'm sure that many people are

1:43:551:43:58

very grateful for the work that

Gemma does. Thank you all for coming

1:43:581:44:03

on. Rachel and Scott for their

honesty, I really appreciate that.

1:44:031:44:06

Take care.

1:44:061:44:07

In a statement, the Minister

for Children and Families,

1:44:071:44:10

Robert Goodwill, said:

1:44:101:44:11

"We will consider the report's

1:44:111:44:12

findings and recommendations

alongside a separate independent

1:44:121:44:13

review.

1:44:131:44:14

The Government is already investing

£200 million to test ways to support

1:44:141:44:17

vulnerable children,

and are extending the 30-hour

1:44:171:44:19

childcare offer to foster children

to provide extra help

1:44:191:44:21

for foster carers".

1:44:211:44:25

Still to come... We will show you

some of our highlights and bloopers

1:44:311:44:35

of the past year. Do stay with us.

1:44:351:44:38

The winner of the biggest chart

battle of the year will be revealed

1:44:381:44:41

later today when we find out

who will be this year's

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Christmas number one.

1:44:441:44:45

Ed Sheeran, Eminem and George

Michael are hot favourites to take

1:44:451:44:48

the coveted top spot.

1:44:481:44:50

Last year, the accolade went

to Clean Bandit featuring Sean Paul

1:44:501:44:53

and Anne-Marie and their song

Rockabye.

1:44:531:44:56

Despite it being the festive season,

only 12 of the previous official

1:44:561:45:01

Christmas number ones have been

about anything seasonal.

1:45:011:45:03

So what does it take

to make it to the top

1:45:031:45:06

of the charts at Christmas?

1:45:061:45:16

Let's talk now to Sinead Garvan,

Radio 1 and 1Xtra's Newsbeat

1:45:171:45:19

entertainment reporter.

1:45:191:45:20

Martin Talbot, who is

Chief Executive of the

1:45:201:45:22

Official Charts Company.

1:45:221:45:23

And lead singer of the Darkness,

Justin Hawkins, who just missed out

1:45:231:45:26

on the Christmas number one

to Michael Andrews and Gary Jules'

1:45:261:45:29

Mad World in 2003.

1:45:291:45:32

Not a terribly festive song in 2003.

Thank you for coming in.

1:45:321:45:53

Was your idea where approached to do

it?

We had had a really good year

1:45:531:45:59

and we met the record company and we

said, what shall we do next? And

1:45:591:46:04

then somebody said let's do a

Christmas song.

Did you think there

1:46:041:46:11

was a stigma? Did you not really

care?

I think they are like normal

1:46:111:46:20

songs but that become associated

with a certain time of year and they

1:46:201:46:25

are produced in a certain way. We

were not frightened of it. Everyone

1:46:251:46:31

loves a Christmas song.

And they

make a lot of money.

Absolutely, it

1:46:311:46:37

is a massive money earner. Maria

Carey, they estimate she makes

1:46:371:46:45

£360,000 a year on one song alone.

I

heard the other day on the radio I

1:46:451:46:53

Wish It Could Be Christmas Every Day

makes about half its money every

1:46:531:46:58

year. Do you still think it is

relevant?

I think it is relevant

1:46:581:47:02

more to the artist and the public.

Working for radio one, the pop acts

1:47:021:47:08

want to be number one. Look at Ed

Sheeran at the moment. He has got

1:47:081:47:13

three out. He is determined. It is a

really lovely thing to have. As you

1:47:131:47:18

say, it makes a lot of money, it is

the prestige, it is a good feeling,

1:47:181:47:23

you go down in the history books as

having a Christmas number one. For

1:47:231:47:29

the young audience they still care

about it. The older you get, the

1:47:291:47:33

less excited you are about anything,

particularly Christmas number ones.

1:47:331:47:38

It does not have the same excitement

as it used to.

We get a huge amount

1:47:381:47:45

of interest in the Christmas number

one every year and we get a lot of

1:47:451:47:49

people coming to the website and

there is always a lot of interest

1:47:491:47:52

from the media and social media. The

artists and the tribes that follow

1:47:521:47:57

those artists get excited. The

campaign records have ignited

1:47:571:48:02

interest in groups of people as well

who are also trying to make the

1:48:021:48:06

point. Over the last five or six

years we have seen a few of those,

1:48:061:48:12

the NHS choir, the military wives,

the campaign against X Factor in

1:48:121:48:19

2009, it gets people excited.

Whatever we say. One of the strange

1:48:191:48:27

things about the Christmas number

one is they are very rarely

1:48:271:48:31

Christmassy songs. Since 1990, there

have been very few. Most of the best

1:48:311:48:38

Christmas songs end up peaking at

number two. Fairy Tales Of New York

1:48:381:48:46

went to number two. And The Darkness

peaked at number two.

It is a

1:48:461:48:54

strange phenomenon. Ed Sheeran is

perfect. It might not be Christmas

1:48:541:49:00

related, but he is skiing, he is in

a log cabin. Do you think it matters

1:49:001:49:05

more to artists than it does to the

general public?

I don't think it is

1:49:051:49:13

about number one really, I think it

is about having a song that is

1:49:131:49:17

synonymous with the season. It is

less about the chart position or the

1:49:171:49:25

seasonal mincemeat.

Is there

something in your view that makes a

1:49:251:49:28

good Christmas song?

I do think it

is about sleigh bells and lyrically

1:49:281:49:38

you can have any song you like. One

of my favourite Christmas songs is

1:49:381:49:47

from the movie Pretty Woman.

Roxette. That was a Christmas song.

1:49:471:50:00

We have got a slightly dodgy Skype

line. To be fair he is in

1:50:001:50:05

Switzerland. It is further to

connect with.

Yes there is a dodgy

1:50:051:50:15

cable all the way from Switzerland.

We cannot see you, but we can hear

1:50:151:50:20

you. We are looking at your video at

the moment.

It was a seasonal song

1:50:201:50:29

with no sleeves which adds to the

rebellion.

Do you think there are

1:50:291:50:33

certain ingredients?

Look at the way

it has been over the last few years,

1:50:331:50:40

especially X Factor. That took over

for about six years. That for me

1:50:401:50:45

personally spoiled the Christmas

number one. There was no race.

1:50:451:50:50

So-and-so has won it, they will be

number one. Then there were the

1:50:501:50:54

campaign songs coming in, so

something completely different. Then

1:50:541:50:59

random pop songs ending up at number

one because they were released at

1:50:591:51:02

the right time of the year. I do not

think reaching number one is the

1:51:021:51:09

point, but I think it is difficult.

It takes years for a song to filter

1:51:091:51:16

into the psyche and then it will

remind you of Christmas.

All of

1:51:161:51:24

these songs coming on are taking me

back to my childhood and it is the

1:51:241:51:28

nostalgia because Christmas is all

about tradition. You have food that

1:51:281:51:33

you have every year and you see your

family and you do things year after

1:51:331:51:37

year and the songs you want to

listen to either the older ones.

1:51:371:51:43

Nostalgia is critical, particularly

in an era where music is dominated

1:51:431:51:47

by streaming. One of the challengers

for a new artist when you are

1:51:471:51:50

putting a new record out is your

track is being made available and is

1:51:501:51:54

free of charge and having paid your

subscription, you can listen to

1:51:541:52:00

every piece of music ever recorded.

If you put something out now, it is

1:52:001:52:06

sitting alongside the greatest

Christmas songs of all time and

1:52:061:52:10

people go to things they are

familiar with. Christmas is a time

1:52:101:52:14

when you are with your family, it is

all very familiar, you want to

1:52:141:52:18

wallow in all of that nostalgia.

That is why those are the songs that

1:52:181:52:24

tend to dominate.

I know you cannot

see who you think number one will be

1:52:241:52:29

hoodie UK? I cannot say either.

Can't you? Do you know? You will not

1:52:291:52:36

get into trouble. Justin, you can

answer this. Ed Sheeran. Because he

1:52:361:52:45

has got three attempts at it.

Because he is from Suffolk. He is

1:52:451:52:51

from Birmingham. Even though I live

in Switzerland I will support him.

1:52:511:52:55

Come on, Ed! Thank you all for

speaking to us. Later on we will

1:52:551:53:01

find out who has got the coveted

Christmas number one. That is it for

1:53:011:53:07

this year. From Victoria, from me,

from the team, have a great year.

1:53:071:53:13

We may have won a Bafta this year,

but we can't say it always

1:53:131:53:16

goes according to plan.

1:53:171:53:18

Here's some bloopers -

but mainly, our best bits.

1:53:181:53:20

And the Bafta goes to...

1:53:201:53:21

Thank you very much.

1:53:211:53:29

Are you happy then, Isaac,

to get Rose out, the tarantula,

1:53:321:53:35

and then possibly...

1:53:361:53:37

I've forgotten

the name of the snake!

1:53:371:53:39

Toffee.

1:53:391:53:40

Toffee, of course!

1:53:401:53:42

The singer stopped a world tour last

April, telling her fans

1:53:421:53:45

she was planning a family

with her husband.

1:53:451:53:48

That's a summary of the latest

news, do join me on BBC

1:53:481:53:51

Newsroom Live at 11am.

1:53:511:53:52

Thank you very much.

1:53:521:53:55

Sorry, I wasn't texting!

1:53:551:53:56

I was not texting!

1:53:561:53:58

Get out of here!

1:53:581:54:01

# Let them say I'm crazy #.

1:54:011:54:03

I don't know the words!

1:54:031:54:10

# Let the world around us

# Just fall apart #.

1:54:101:54:14

Are you ready?!

1:54:141:54:16

Here we go!

1:54:161:54:19

As a person, I suppose I'm

bloody difficult woman!

1:54:191:54:23

A difficult woman

with a dirty laugh.

1:54:231:54:33

This is another reason

I love the Twitter.

1:54:331:54:36

Obsessed by how people are really

noticing how many mugs

1:54:361:54:39

there or on the table

on the Victoria Derbyshire

1:54:391:54:41

show at the moment.

1:54:411:54:47

I take it there's loads, then?

1:54:471:54:48

There's so many!

1:54:481:54:51

Like I say, three per guest.

1:54:511:54:54

I'm going to introduce

you to Leah Trigger, who also goes

1:54:541:54:57

by the name Mermaid...

1:54:571:55:03

Mermaid gold, is that

how you say it?

1:55:031:55:06

I used to swim at the local pool.

1:55:061:55:08

However, my tail has now been

banned, so I've nowhere to swim!

1:55:081:55:11

OK, and you accept that?

1:55:111:55:12

Yes, I completely understand.

1:55:121:55:14

OK, so you're not even

cross with them?!

1:55:141:55:17

No, no, I'm not.

1:55:171:55:18

LAUGHTER.

1:55:181:55:21

OK!

1:55:211:55:25

It's really nice

to chat to a mermaid!

1:55:251:55:29

# We'll still have each other #

Nothing is going to stop us

1:55:291:55:33

# Nothing is going to stop us now #.

1:55:331:55:38

I don't know what version that is!

1:55:381:55:41

Could you go to bed

with a Remainer?!

1:55:411:55:51

There's an election on,

and people are talking politics.

1:55:521:55:56

So my confession

to you, I'm taking a

1:55:561:55:58

night off on the election campaign

in order to go and see Iron Maiden

1:55:581:56:01

at the O2!

1:56:011:56:07

So what happens when you send two

people with opposing views

1:56:071:56:11

on a lunch date?

1:56:111:56:13

Are you only attracted

to Brexiteers?

1:56:131:56:17

No, no!

1:56:171:56:22

That's a good answer.

1:56:221:56:24

Good question.

1:56:241:56:26

There is a story out today

which suggests that there are

1:56:261:56:28

loads and loads and loads

of drivers on Britain's

1:56:281:56:32

roads who are over the age of 90.

1:56:321:56:34

Hello, both of you!

1:56:341:56:36

How are you, Jack?

1:56:361:56:43

Oh, these convertibles

are a bit tight!

1:56:431:56:45

I love you, I think you're amazing!

1:56:451:56:46

Oh, Jack, shush!

1:56:461:56:47

Hello, Colin, how are you?

1:56:471:56:51

I'm very well this morning, yes.

1:56:511:56:53

I must take driving more seriously.

1:56:531:56:56

Oh, you've put the radio on!

1:56:561:57:00

Oh, my gosh, the radio came

on automatically in this amazing

1:57:001:57:03

convertible car.

1:57:041:57:08

You look gloriously distinguished.

1:57:081:57:09

Hit me with it!

1:57:091:57:11

Slightly hunky!

1:57:111:57:13

You're quite a pretty lady!

1:57:131:57:15

Get that on camera!

1:57:151:57:17

Favourite joke?

1:57:171:57:21

Well, the problem with political

jokes is they sometimes get elected.

1:57:211:57:23

Is that a joke?

1:57:231:57:25

Was that a joke?!

1:57:251:57:27

Sorry, run that by me again!

1:57:271:57:30

The problem with political jokes...

1:57:301:57:32

Oh, I see, sorry, yeah.

1:57:321:57:34

OK, fine.

1:57:341:57:36

Yeah, that is quite funny.

1:57:361:57:38

Sorry for being slow!

1:57:381:57:43

It is still the mermaid that gets

me, it is slightly surreal. A lot of

1:57:431:57:47

you getting in touch with us about

the teacher story. Ian says it is

1:57:471:57:52

about time they had teachers with

knowledge of working outside the

1:57:521:57:56

education system. Most teachers know

nothing else. Rob says the killer is

1:57:561:58:01

Ofsted and the culture of fear,

especially if a provider gets

1:58:011:58:05

anything less than a good grade.

1:58:051:58:09

BBC Newsroom Live is coming up next.

1:58:091:58:11

Thank you for your company today.

1:58:111:58:12

Have a fantastic Christmas and New

Year. We will be back here live on

1:58:121:58:17

January eight, so put it in your

diary.

1:58:171:58:22

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