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Victoria gets reaction to the resignation of journalist Toby Young from the universities watchdog, after widespread criticism of his crude and offensive comments.


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Hello, it's Tuesday,

it's nine o'clock,

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I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

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Our top story today -

journalist Toby Young has resigned

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from the universties

watchdog, after widespread

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criticism of crude and offensive

remarks he'd made in the past

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about women's breasts,

people in poverty,

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and people with disabilities

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When you hear those kind of things

from people who know nothing about

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this, you entertain, and if I'm

honest with you, horrible thoughts

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about the people making those

comments.

So Toby Young is a bad,?

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Well, the things he has written have

been bad.

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Could Toby Young have

continued in his role?

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Letters know your own view.

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Also on the programme -

around 700 migrants are living rough

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in Calais again trying

to make their way over to the UK,

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a year after the so-called

Jungle camp was destroyed.

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This place will never leave me.

No-one can stop this.

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We'll get reaction from

truckers and migrants.

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If you're a lorry driver

and regularly drive through Calais,

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really keen to hear

from you this morning.

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And a UK wide ban on products like

these containing microbeads comes

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into force today, but campaigners

say it does not go far enough, we

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will find out why.

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Hi, welcome to the programme, we

live until 11 bring you the latest

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breaking news and developing

stories. He may well hold her first

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Cabinet meeting since the reshuffle

that was not that much a reshuffle.

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-- Theresa May will hold. We will

profile the new Work and Pensions

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Secretary, Esther McVey, whose

appointment has been met with some

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surprise, if not criticism. Get in

touch on the stories we are talking

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about today.

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Our top story today -

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journalist Toby Young has resigned

from the board of the Office for

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Students after more than 200,000

people signed a petition

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calling for him to go.

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In an article in the Spectator,

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he says his appointment

had become a distraction

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from the board's vital work

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of broadening access

to higher education.

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It follows accusations that he had

made offensive comments on Twitter.

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In an interview with Andrew Marr

on Sunday,

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Theresa May appeared

to back Mr Young,

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saying he had done "exceedingly good

work in relation to free schools."

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Norman is at Westminster, why has he

resigned now, especially with

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Theresa May backing him?

I think he

could see that this was not going to

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go away. Only yesterday, the

Government was full to make a

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statement in the Commons defending

Toby Young and really just listening

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to MPs, it wasn't just opposition

MPs, senior Conservatives were

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deeply unhappy at his appointment

because of the sort of signals it

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sent out, the sort of things he had

written. It was argued, he just

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could not hold a prominent public

post having said those sort of

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things, and it was argued that if a

head teacher or a vice Chancellor

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had made similar remarks about women

or people with disabilities, then

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they would have been sacked. I mean,

just to be clear, in some of his

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articles, he had argued in favour of

so-called progressive eugenics,

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genetic selection to improve the IQ

amongst poorer working-class people,

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he had attacked the provision of

wheelchair ramps in schools, he had

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repeatedly commented about women's

breasts, and you know, there was a

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mounting hue and cry over his

appointment. What has made it more

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political and given an edge to it,

particularly in the current

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reshuffle climate is the fact that

as you say, Mrs May, only on Sunday,

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was standing by Toby Young, saying

that although she had not been told

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about his comments in the past, she

accepted that she was not impressed

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by them, but by and large, provided

he didn't say them again, he could

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carry on, have a listen to what she

said on the Andrew Marr programme.

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First of all, Toby Young has done

exceedingly good work

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in relation to free schools,

and that's what led

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to him being appointed

to the Office for Students.

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When he was appointed,

I was not aware of these

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comments that he had made.

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Frankly, I'm not at all impressed

by those comments.

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He is now in public office and,

as far as I'm concerned,

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if he was to continue to use that

sort of language and talk

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in that sort of way,

he would no longer be

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in public office.

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So for the time being, he's

apologised and from your point of

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view, that's enough,

he can carry on?

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He's apologised.

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But, as I say, if he continues

to talk and use this sort

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of language, then he will no longer

be in public office.

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Norman, this is what the audience

are saying - John has said,

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everybody has cupboards containing

skeletons, just a case that someone

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knows about their existence and

decides to use them to their own

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advantage, whatever happened...

Fiona on Facebook points out, Toby

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Young's eugenics I was published in

2015, long after he got involved in

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education, so his apology may mean

that he thinks it is not as bad as

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his shocking misogyny and

homophobia. The point being that if

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he had carried on, you would never

have been able to get away from the

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things he has written in the past.

I

suspect he came to that conclusion

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himself, and although he describes

himself this morning as a

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journalistic provocateur, I don't

think that in any way was going to

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satisfy his critics or meet some of

the concerns about his appointment.

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And, in a way, the questions now

are, why did Mrs May cut him that

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slack at the weekend? Why didn't she

take on board the concerns, look at

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the way the wind was blowing and

say, I'm afraid, in the

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circumstances, no, he cannot take up

the post? As it is, she finds

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herself under attack for not sacking

him, as does the Foreign Secretary,

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Boris Johnson, because when he was

challenged about the appointment, he

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went out of his way to say that he

thought he was an ideal candidate

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for the job, that the criticism of

him was ridiculous. So there are

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significant, it seems to me,

political ramifications from his

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resignation.

Thank you very much,

Norman. We asked Toby Young for an

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interview on the programme today, he

has texted back saying, sorry, not

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doing any media on this. Later, an

interview with the chair of the

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Education Select Committee, a

Conservative MP who has cerebral

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palsy himself, and he tells us that

Toby Young's comments on people with

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disabilities are horrible and

unacceptable and that what he has

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written in the past is bad. Let's

bring you the rest of the morning's

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news with Ben Brown.

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The Education Secretary

Justine Greening has resigned

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from the Government after refusing

a job as Work and Pensions Secretary

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in Theresa May's Cabinet reshuffle.

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It's also understood that

Jeremy Hunt was asked

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to become Businesss Secretary,

but persuaded

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the Prime Minister to keep him

at the Department of Health.

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Theresa May is expected to make more

changes to her Cabinet later today.

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Leila Nathoo reports.

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Are you confident of

staying in Government?

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After a day of few surprises, it was

Education Secretary Justine Greening

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who threw the biggest

spanner in the works

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of Theresa May's cautious plans,

emerging from Downing Street

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having quit the Government, rather

than move to take charge of welfare,

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as she was asked to do.

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And it is understood

the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt,

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who was also in line for a move,

this time to business,

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successfully argued

to stay where he was.

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A reshuffle designed to breathe

new life into the Government

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did see a few switch jobs,

a handful promoted.

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But there was no movement

in the top positions,

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and the Cabinet make-up

is largely unchanged.

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Though there was a shake-up

of staff in charge

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of running the Conservative Party,

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to try to broaden its appeal and

revive the Tory electoral machine.

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Now, on day two of the reshuffle,

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Theresa May's focus turns

to the junior ministerial roles.

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Number Ten says the Prime Minister

will promote young talent

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from the backbenches.

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Downing Street is promising

the new ministerial team

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will be more diverse,

with more women and MPs

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from minority backgrounds,

so it better reflects the country.

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The UK's equality watchdog

has said it will write to

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the BBC about claims of unlawful pay

discrimination made by its former

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China editor, Carrie Gracie.

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The Equality and Human Rights

Commission says it will then decide

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if further action is required.

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Ms Gracie resigned after

she discovered a gap

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between her salary and

that of her male counterparts.

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North Korea has agreed to send

athletes accompanied by senior

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officials to the Winter Olympics

in South Korea next month.

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The two countries have held their

first talks for more than two years

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in the demilitarised zone

that divides the peninsula.

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The South Korean delegation

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has also proposed more contacts

between the two countries

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in what appears to be a significant

move to lower tension in the region.

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A UK-wide ban on the manufacturing

of cosmetics and care products

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containing microbeads has come

into force today, in an attempt

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to cut down on the amount

of plastic in our oceans.

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The beads that are used in hundreds

of face washes and shower gels

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are often ingested by sea animals

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and can even end up

entering our food chain.

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It will be followed by a wider ban

on the sale of products containing

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microbeads later in the year.

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One of the world's oldest

silverback male gorillas

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has died at Longleat Safari Park

in Wiltshire.

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The Park said staff there

were "truly saddened"

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at the death of 56-year-old Nico,

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who passed away in his sleep

on Sunday.

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It said Nico's main keeper had been

working with him since 1989

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and the pair had forged

an extraordinarily close bond.

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That's a summary of the latest

BBC News, more at 9:30.

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We are going to be showing you a

film from Calais in a moment or two,

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our reporter has been there,

reporting on the so-called Jungle

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camp for a number of years for you.

We know it was destroyed in October

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2016, but it would appear that there

are hundreds and hundreds of

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migrants back there, and the French

police are trying to disperse them.

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Damocles tweets to say, don't the

French care about people? Don't they

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have a duty to help these poor

souls? We will show you her film in

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just a few minutes.

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Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning,

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use #VictoriaLive.

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If you are a lorry driver who

travels through Calais, we want your

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experiences this morning.

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Let's get some sport.

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Sarah is here. How did the video

assistant referee at the Brighton

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game go?

Not too badly, there was a

bit of debate late on, Brighton won

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the game 2-1 against Crystal Palace,

they go through to the fourth round

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of the FA Cup, but let's look at it,

the screen on the side of the pitch

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that the referee can use. It is

already in use around Europe in

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Italy and Germany, but this goal

late on from Glenn Murray, there was

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some debate, look at this, as it

goes in, as to whether it was

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handball. Now, the referee, Andre

Marriner, decided that there was

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nothing to look into, he was happy

with the system. Some of the Palace

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players were not, you can see them

surrounding him, but manager Roy

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Hodgson said it was a genuine goal,

so I am sure the debate will rage

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on.

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The last time England lost

the Ashes down under,

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there was a big overhaul

on and off the pitch.

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What is going to happen this time?

Yes, as the dust settles, we have

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found out that Trevor Bayliss will

step down, but not until the end of

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the 2019 Ashes, when his contract

expires, and the news will not be a

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shock to the England director of

cricket, Andrew Strauss. Bayliss

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told of his plans a year ago but has

only just made it public, and after

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the 4-0 defeat, he says that has

nothing to do with the decision. He

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also vowed to start the job of

building a team able to win down

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under. Member, the Australian came

into the job in 2015, started well

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with a home Ashes win, but is

General Test results have been

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mixed, losing 18, winning 15. -- his

general Test results. He also spoke

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about the difficulties of dealing

with the off field issues on the

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tour and said the penny had dropped

for the players.

Thank you very

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much, more from Sarah throughout the

programme.

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Charities in Calais have told

this programme around 700 migrants

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are living rough in the area

again trying to make

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their way over to the UK.

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It's just over a year

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since the so-called Jungle

camp was destroyed.

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But now French police say they're

clearing tents and blankets daily

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to stop a camp re-forming there.

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Charities say awful living

conditions mean people

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are taking massive risks.

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They claim a 15-year-old boy

was killed over the Christmas break

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trying to jump on a truck

to reach his brother here in the UK.

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Our reporter Catrin Nye

has just returned from Calais.

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Here's her report.

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Calais is a darker place

than I've ever seen it.

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This is my fifth time reporting

here, and it's more hostile...

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More desperate...

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Colder, wetter, miserable.

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I promise you one thing.

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This...

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This place will never get finished.

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This scrap of land used to be home

to more than 7000 people.

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It was the Jungle, right?

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This is what remains

of the Jungle now, yeah.

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Not very much.

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In October 2016, French authorities

cleared the camp here,

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known as the Jungle.

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But people have kept on coming,

some back from centres

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they were dispersed to,

finding new places to

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set up temporary home.

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So now the Jungle's gone,

dozens of people every night

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are sleeping between these massive

mounds of industrial waste,

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right in the middle of Calais.

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Charities estimate that up to

700 people are here now,

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many again pitching tents

in the woods for shelter.

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But the police are constantly

pulling these down because they

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don't want new camps here.

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So this is where you sleep?

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This is...

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Yeah.

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Our roof is...

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Standing because of these trees.

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If we didn't have these trees,

we could not sleep here.

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Ikram is 18 and from Nangarhar,

one of Afghanistan's

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most dangerous regions.

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He's only been in Calais a week.

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It must be so cold?

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It is.

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And, you know, how does it feel

when it is cold and you are wet?

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Like, your clothes,

everything is wet.

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How long do you think

you can live like this?

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Three months, four months.

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I hope I don't...

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I just don't get sick.

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Because I don't want to leave.

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The vast majority here are men

from four countries -

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Afghanistan, like Ikram,

also Sudan, Eritrea and Ethiopia.

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The flow of people from Africa

to Europe through smugglers

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is still strong, and many Afghans

were already in Europe before

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of the routes were disrupted.

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Charity workers like Annie

are trying to use very

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difficult conditions.

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So there's nowhere here to settle,

even if you are lucky enough to get

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a tent and sleeping bag and be warm

for the night, you're likely to lose

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it the next morning.

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So we've just noticed

some police over here,

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taking people's possessions out

of the woods.

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So we're going to speak to them.

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The men in the white outfits,

were they helping you clear?

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Just so we know what was going on.

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OK.

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Look, you will return?

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OK?

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OK.

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It's forbidden for you to stay here.

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OK, thank you.

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OK, thank you.

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How often, Annie, do they clear

people's possessions here?

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There is one clearance

every day, normally.

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Do you sympathise

with the police at all?

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They will have been told to do that.

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They are saying it

is private property.

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I mean, they are following orders.

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I guess they are trying

to prevent what they call

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the fixation point in the area.

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Except a fixation point

to you and me might be

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a camp, and nobody really

wants another camper.

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That's not what anybody's asking.

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What do they spray the tents with?

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We've had so many reports

of the police spraying

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with tear gas, tents,

sleeping bags, blankets.

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And people themselves.

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People have been woken up by just

being sprayed in the face.

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And that is not a legitimate

use of tear gas.

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It's an excessive use of force.

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This man gets very upset.

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Added to that there are rumours

amongst the migrant population that

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journalists like us and even charity

workers are colluding with the

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French government and the police.

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So we turn the camera off.

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The guys keep asking for permission

to go back into the woods and see

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if they can take their stuff,

but the police won't let them.

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With each new camp we visited,

another police clearance.

0:19:140:19:18

Are you clearing the tents?

0:19:200:19:25

As it pours with rain,

a police truck leaves

0:19:280:19:31

with the latest haul of tents

and sleeping bags.

0:19:310:19:39

The stuff being confiscated has been

donated by charities set up locally,

0:19:390:19:48

a huge number of

volunteers are British.

0:19:480:19:50

Good morning, everyone, and welcome.

0:19:500:19:51

Thank you, everyone,

for being here so bright and early.

0:19:510:19:54

In March last year, local

authorities barred humanitarian

0:19:540:19:56

groups from giving out

aid to migrants.

0:19:560:19:57

It's going to be raining outside,

it's really wet outside.

0:19:570:20:00

A local court struck down

that order within weeks,

0:20:000:20:02

and volunteers are still coming

to Calais, just in smaller numbers.

0:20:020:20:05

I've been here almost two

and a half years now,

0:20:050:20:08

and the conditions that we have

at the moment are the worst that

0:20:080:20:11

we've ever had in this place.

0:20:110:20:12

And that is because people

are constantly being moved on.

0:20:120:20:16

They are still very much

on the edge all the time.

0:20:160:20:19

Does it make your job harder

when people don't trust you?

0:20:190:20:22

Erm...

0:20:220:20:24

It does, but it's normal.

0:20:240:20:27

It's just the way it is?

0:20:270:20:28

Yeah.

0:20:280:20:30

I mean, we're not necessarily

here to make friends with everybody.

0:20:300:20:33

We're just trying

to keep people alive.

0:20:330:20:36

What we're seeing is

that the conditions in which people

0:20:360:20:40

are forced to live right now

are pushing people to take such

0:20:400:20:43

extreme risks, risks

that they wouldn't otherwise take.

0:20:430:20:53

So unfortunately last month two

refugees died at the border.

0:20:540:20:57

One of them was a 15-year-old boy.

0:20:570:20:58

And one person is still

in critical condition

0:20:580:21:00

after being severely injured.

0:21:000:21:01

What's the solution to all of this?

0:21:010:21:03

You can't want to see

the Jungle reform here?

0:21:030:21:05

What we really want is just basic

provisions allowing people

0:21:050:21:08

to survive, and then for their cases

to be fairly assessed

0:21:080:21:10

while they are here.

0:21:100:21:13

So there are many, many

people who have a legal

0:21:140:21:16

right to be in the UK,

but it takes so long to access

0:21:160:21:19

those legal routes that

people just give up.

0:21:190:21:23

The fact that the French asylum

system is so overcrowded

0:21:230:21:27

and it just cannot cope.

0:21:270:21:30

When you're speaking to people here,

if you hear a case that is quite

0:21:300:21:33

clearly not going to get someone

asylum in the UK or in

0:21:330:21:36

France, do you tell them?

0:21:360:21:40

What we really want is for people

to get assessed by the appropriate

0:21:400:21:47

authorities, and then

they had to decide.

0:21:470:21:48

It's not up to us.

0:21:480:21:49

Ikram used to live in Norway,

where he was given temporary asylum.

0:21:490:21:52

But after a year he was told

he would be sent back to Afghanistan

0:21:520:21:56

to live in the capital,

Kabul, where it was judged safe,

0:21:560:21:58

rather than the region he's from.

0:21:580:22:00

I don't want to go back,

and I will never.

0:22:000:22:02

I don't want to go.

0:22:020:22:05

I can live anywhere in Europe.

0:22:050:22:07

It can be a Jungle, it can

be a place like this.

0:22:070:22:10

But I'm not going back.

0:22:100:22:12

And that no one can

decide without me.

0:22:120:22:17

As soon as you are without parents

in Afghanistan, you are deciding

0:22:170:22:20

to go in army or Taliban.

0:22:200:22:22

That is your choice.

0:22:220:22:26

So do you want me to

go to Taliban, or...?

0:22:260:22:32

That's why I don't want to go back.

0:22:320:22:34

Do you worry about that, though?

0:22:340:22:35

Do you worry that if you end up

in England they might

0:22:350:22:38

say the same as Norway,

you could go and live in Kabul?

0:22:380:22:41

Believe me, if they did this,

if they said the same thing

0:22:410:22:44

like Norway said to me,

believe me, I will

0:22:440:22:46

kill myself there.

0:22:460:22:48

Because...

0:22:480:22:49

OK, where should I go?

0:22:490:22:50

I...

0:22:500:22:52

I should go back to any other

country and just begging for asylum,

0:22:520:22:55

begging for everything?

0:22:550:22:57

Come on.

0:22:570:22:58

I am tired.

0:22:580:22:59

I want to stop somewhere.

0:22:590:23:01

I want to just...

0:23:010:23:04

Just seriously, OK,

what is the problem if I start to go

0:23:040:23:07

to my school, start my education,

do the right things.

0:23:070:23:10

What is the problem?

0:23:100:23:13

And what's it like trying

to jump on the trucks?

0:23:130:23:15

I haven't tried.

0:23:150:23:17

You haven't tried?

0:23:170:23:18

So you're waiting to try?

0:23:180:23:21

I'm waiting for try.

0:23:210:23:28

We could have a truck

with migrants on board.

0:23:280:23:30

Has the driver asked

for the security check,

0:23:300:23:33

because he thinks he's got

them on board?

0:23:330:23:36

On this truck out here.

0:23:360:23:40

This is just the truck,

just over there.

0:23:400:23:42

Stuart Madden is chief operating

officer at this massive

0:23:420:23:44

truck stop in Calais.

0:23:440:23:46

They now have a security

team constantly checking

0:23:460:23:47

lorries for people inside.

0:23:470:23:51

This is footage of just before

Christmas where a truck's come on.

0:23:510:23:54

Someone coming out of the roof.

0:23:540:23:56

Last June at a driver was killed

in Calais when a van crashed

0:23:560:24:00

into lorries that had been forced

to stop by a makeshift barrier set

0:24:000:24:03

by migrants trying to boards trucks.

0:24:030:24:09

We've had drivers arrive on site

who have been physically harassed,

0:24:090:24:13

that have had their windscreens

smashed and, of course,

0:24:130:24:16

there is damage to vehicles.

0:24:160:24:19

But Stuart's also seen

cases where lorry drivers

0:24:190:24:22

are willingly smuggling people.

0:24:220:24:24

Do you know how much someone

can get paid for it,

0:24:240:24:26

for taking someone over in a truck?

0:24:260:24:28

A lot of the drivers

are from Eastern Europe

0:24:280:24:32

and can be paid only 500,

600 euros a month.

0:24:320:24:36

Even if it's 1000 or 2000 euros,

that's a significant increase

0:24:360:24:39

in disposable income.

0:24:390:24:43

And how is it for you,

seeing this every day?

0:24:430:24:46

We try our best here to deal

with a difficult situation in order

0:24:460:24:49

to ensure that trucks,

their drivers, the

0:24:490:24:50

cargo are kept safe.

0:24:500:24:55

What we need is to reflect

upon is where these

0:24:550:24:58

migrants have come from.

0:24:580:25:00

Eritrea, where if you're

16, you're conscripted

0:25:000:25:01

automatically into the army

for an indefinite period.

0:25:010:25:11

So if you are a young Eritrean

and you have the option of trying

0:25:110:25:15

to make a better life for yourself

in Europe, then you're

0:25:150:25:17

probably going to try.

0:25:170:25:18

And so it continues.

0:25:180:25:19

All day and all night here,

people still try their chances,

0:25:190:25:22

trying to get a ride to the UK.

0:25:220:25:24

It must be a dilemma for you that

you are enabling Calais to exist

0:25:240:25:27

and it grew because of charity

presence, and now

0:25:270:25:30

it's growing again?

0:25:300:25:35

It's an ongoing conversation,

but at the same time when not

0:25:350:25:38

enabling people to come here.

0:25:380:25:40

They would be here anyway.

0:25:400:25:45

They would be here anyway.

0:25:450:25:45

They would be here anyway.

0:25:450:25:45

They would be here anyway.

0:25:450:25:46

They would be here anyway.

0:25:460:25:50

We're just giving them the very

basic tools to survive.

0:25:530:25:55

They got rid of this camp, you know,

more than a year ago,

0:25:550:25:58

but people are here again.

0:25:580:25:59

Has anyone been put off by the fact

that there's not a proper camp here?

0:25:590:26:09

I promise you one thing, this...

0:26:110:26:12

This place will never get finished.

0:26:120:26:13

It will be people here, every time.

0:26:130:26:15

No one can stop this.

0:26:150:26:18

We will talk to a young man who came

to Britain illegally underneath a

0:26:180:26:22

lorry. We will talk to him later on

in the programme. We will talk to

0:26:220:26:26

the Road Haulage Association and a

driver who is in charge of various

0:26:260:26:29

other lorries as well. I want to

hear from you if you are a trucker

0:26:290:26:33

and you travel regularly through

Calais, let us know what it is like

0:26:330:26:37

at the moment.

Gezza says, "Real refugees would be

0:26:370:26:46

grate fofl the first safe haven, not

travelling across countries in a

0:26:460:26:52

freezing tent waiting to get on a

lord to Britain." , "The world needs

0:26:520:26:58

more compassion." Jay says we are

overwhelmed with immigrants and we

0:26:580:27:02

have to look after our own." Kate

says, "The migrants wanting to come

0:27:020:27:07

to Britain are the problem of

France. All have been allowed to

0:27:070:27:10

ignore international law and no

matter how sorry you feel for them,

0:27:100:27:14

we have no room for them and we do

not want them." With regards to the

0:27:140:27:18

claims you heard in the film, the

leadical authority told us:

0:27:180:27:31

"Police forces act

in Calais in accordance

0:27:310:27:33

with the rule of law,

with the sole objective of enforcing

0:27:330:27:35

public order and security."

0:27:350:27:37

"Coercion is used only

when necessary, and the forces

0:27:370:27:39

strictly obey the principle

of the proportionality

0:27:390:27:40

when responding to a risk."

0:27:400:27:42

Gay couples in Australia have tied

the knot on the first official day

0:27:420:27:46

of ceremonies following the passing

of a law to legalise

0:27:460:27:48

same-sex marriage.

0:27:480:27:50

Last year, the Australian Parliament

overwhelming voted for same-sex

0:27:500:27:52

marriage after a contentious

referendum showed 62% of respondents

0:27:520:27:54

wanted marriage equality.

0:27:540:27:59

Let's talk to two couple

who've just got married.

0:27:590:28:08

They got married at midnight last

night Australian time.

0:28:080:28:11

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Tell us about the ceremony.

0:28:110:28:16

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Tell us about the ceremony.

0:28:160:28:20

PROBLEM WITH SOUND

We had to stay up late.

It is a

0:28:200:28:33

really dodgy Skype line or Face

time, but we'll persist because

0:28:330:28:37

that's what we do on this programme.

Who did you invite?

We invited about

0:28:370:28:43

40 of our friends and family. But it

was an open invitation as well.

Who

0:28:430:28:51

turned up? From the open invitation,

who turned up?

The venue was at

0:28:510:29:02

capacity. Capacity at several points

throughout the night. It was about

0:29:020:29:09

close to 100 people.

And how was it?

It was so good. It was really good.

0:29:090:29:18

It was a nice feeling.

This line is

too bad, you know, we can't hear you

0:29:180:29:27

enough, but I'm so frustrated. I'm

so frustrated. Tell us finally when

0:29:270:29:32

you heard the result of the national

vote read out on TV back in

0:29:320:29:35

November, how did you both react?

We

cried.

Congratulations. Have a

0:29:350:29:45

wonderful life together. Thank you

both very much.

0:29:450:29:53

Sorry about the technicals there.

You know us, we like to plough on.

0:29:530:29:58

Seine

0:29:580:30:00

Still to come, tiny pieces

of plastic known as mircobeads

0:30:000:30:02

are banned from cosmetics

and toiletries from today.

0:30:020:30:04

We'll ask if the move goes far

enough to tackle plastic pollution.

0:30:040:30:10

Time for the latest

news, here's Ben.

0:30:100:30:17

Thanks, Victoria, the BBC News

headlines:

0:30:170:30:20

Journalist Toby Young has

resigned from the board

0:30:200:30:22

of the Office for Students

after more than 200,000

0:30:220:30:24

people signed a petition

calling for him to go.

0:30:240:30:26

In an article in the Spectator,

he says his appointment

0:30:260:30:29

had become a distraction

from the board's vital work

0:30:290:30:32

of broadening access

to higher education.

0:30:320:30:33

It follows accusations that he had

made offensive comments on Twitter.

0:30:330:30:39

The newly appointed chairman of the

Conservative Party, Brandon Lewis,

0:30:390:30:41

is insisting Theresa May is fully

in control of her Cabinet,

0:30:410:30:44

despite yesterday's reshuffle

not going according to plan.

0:30:440:30:47

Education Secretary Justine Greening

resigned after refusing an offer

0:30:470:30:52

to become Work and

Pensions Secretary,

0:30:520:30:57

and Jeremy Hunt turned down

a move to business

0:30:570:30:59

to remain as Health Secretary,

with added responsibilities.

0:30:590:31:01

The reshuffle will continue today,

with more ministerial roles

0:31:010:31:05

expected to go to women, younger MPs

and those from ethnic minorities.

0:31:050:31:09

Well, I think if you look

at what the Prime Minister outlined

0:31:090:31:12

yesterday in terms of how

the departments are working,

0:31:120:31:14

there's some really good

new people coming in,

0:31:140:31:16

we've got, you know,

more women around the Cabinet table

0:31:160:31:18

now than we've ever had before,

we've got actually

0:31:180:31:21

a very clear focus.

0:31:210:31:22

The UK's equality watchdog

has said it will write to the BBC

0:31:220:31:25

about claims of unlawful

pay discrimination

0:31:250:31:27

made by its former China editor,

Carrie Gracie.

0:31:270:31:29

The Equality and Human

Rights Commission says

0:31:290:31:32

it will then decide

if further action is required.

0:31:320:31:35

Ms Gracie resigned after

she discovered a gap

0:31:350:31:37

between her salary and that

of her male counterparts.

0:31:370:31:44

North Korea has agreed

to send athletes

0:31:440:31:47

accompanied by senior officials

to the Winter Olympics

0:31:470:31:49

in South Korea next month.

0:31:490:31:53

The two countries have held

their first talks for more

0:31:530:31:55

than two years in the demilitarised

zone that divides the peninsula.

0:31:550:31:58

The South Korean delegation

0:31:580:31:59

has also proposed more contacts

between the two countries

0:31:590:32:02

in what appears to be a significant

move to lower tension in the region.

0:32:020:32:11

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:32:110:32:17

Some messages about journalist Toby

Young, who has resigned this morning

0:32:170:32:23

from the universities watchdog.

Funny how this useless right-wing

0:32:230:32:30

misogynist is regularly applied by

the BBC to give his views on things.

0:32:300:32:34

From Paul, how are we supposed to

make up our minds about him when you

0:32:340:32:39

do not tell us what he said? You,

the BBC have decided that what he

0:32:390:32:44

said was not acceptable. We have to

accept the word of the progressive

0:32:440:32:47

left in the BBC that he has said

something wrong. We have

0:32:470:32:51

pre-recorded an interview with the

chair of the Education Select

0:32:510:32:54

Committee when we go through some of

his comments, with particular

0:32:540:32:58

relation to some of his comments

about people with disabilities.

0:32:580:33:01

While watching Comic Relief in 2009,

he wrote, what happened to your

0:33:010:33:05

Winkleman's breasts? Put on some

weight! While watching PMQs in 2011,

0:33:050:33:13

he wrote, that is quite a cleavage

behind Ed Miliband. In 2012, during

0:33:130:33:19

PMQs, serious cleavage behind Ed

Miliband, anybody know who it

0:33:190:33:22

belongs to? And then in 2013 he

responded to criticism of previous

0:33:220:33:29

comments by saying that women who

display a lot of cleavage should not

0:33:290:33:32

complain when men notice them. In

2004 he wrote an article about

0:33:320:33:37

pretending to be a lesbian for the

night and embarking on a

0:33:370:33:42

whistle-stop tour of New York's

hottest lesbian clubs with the aim

0:33:420:33:46

of drawing them into his confidence

to make out with them on the dance

0:33:460:33:50

floor. And so on. Sport now with

Sarah.

0:33:500:33:53

Brighton are through to the fourth

round of the FA Cup after their

0:33:530:33:56

2-1 win against Crystal Palace.

0:33:560:33:58

It was the first time VAR

was used in a competitive match,

0:33:580:34:01

and there was a little debate

over Glenn Murray's winner

0:34:010:34:03

three minutes from time.

0:34:030:34:04

But the referee was happy with it.

0:34:040:34:08

So Brighton through to meet

Middlesbrough in the fourth round.

0:34:080:34:12

Also meeting in the next round -

League Two Yeovil Town,

0:34:120:34:15

the lowest-ranked side

left in the FA Cup,

0:34:150:34:17

will host Manchester United.

0:34:170:34:20

Tottenham also travel

to League Two side Newport County.

0:34:200:34:23

The full draw is on the website.

0:34:230:34:27

England cricket coach Trevor Bayliss

is going to step down,

0:34:270:34:30

but not until the end of next year's

Ashes, when his contract expires.

0:34:300:34:35

He's also vowed to start the job

of building a team

0:34:350:34:37

able to win down under.

0:34:370:34:43

And North Korea is to send

a delegation to the Winter Olympics

0:34:430:34:45

which will take place

in South Korea next month.

0:34:450:34:50

The delegation will include

athletes, officials and supporters.

0:34:500:34:56

A UK-wide ban on the manufacture

of cosmetics and care

0:34:560:34:59

products like these,

containing tiny pieces of plastic

0:34:590:35:02

- known as microbeads -

has come into force.

0:35:020:35:06

The ban is aimed at protecting

the marine environment

0:35:060:35:08

from one source of plastic pollution

as microbeads can have potentially

0:35:080:35:11

harmful effects when swallowed

by fish and crustaceans.

0:35:110:35:17

The ban affects products

that rinse off - like face wash,

0:35:170:35:20

toothpaste, shower gel -

and it was announced back in 2016.

0:35:200:35:25

You'll still be able

to buy them in shops, though,

0:35:250:35:27

till a ban on the sale comes

into force later in the year.

0:35:270:35:32

Many companies have been working

to remove microbeads

0:35:320:35:37

from their products already.

0:35:370:35:39

But campaigners say they want

the ban to go further.

0:35:390:35:44

They want it to be extended to other

so-called leave-on products,

0:35:440:35:46

which you put on and don't wash off

immediately, like body lotions,

0:35:460:35:49

sun creams and some make-up,

as well as abrasive cleaning

0:35:490:35:52

products, many of which contain

other types of tiny plastic.

0:35:520:35:55

Microbeads only account for a small

proportion of plastics in the ocean.

0:35:550:36:00

The Prime Minister recently

announced she wants to introduce

0:36:000:36:02

some kind of charge

on single-use plastics

0:36:020:36:06

- like coffee cups, takeaway cartons

and plastic packaging -

0:36:060:36:08

and will start listening to ideas

about how to do this

0:36:080:36:11

in the coming months.

0:36:110:36:14

Michael Gove, the Environment

Secretary, is already considering

0:36:140:36:16

whether to introduce

a reward and return scheme

0:36:160:36:18

for plastic bottles,

which would see people paying

0:36:180:36:20

a deposit when they buy a plastic

bottle, which they would then

0:36:200:36:23

get back if they returned it

to the shop for recycling.

0:36:230:36:28

And just look at the impact

plastic can have on our beaches.

0:36:280:36:31

Storm Eleanor has left these Cornish

beaches littered with waste scooped

0:36:310:36:35

up from the sea bed by the waves.

0:36:350:36:40

One campaigner described it

as a "tidal wave of waste" and said

0:36:400:36:43

removing it would be a mammoth task.

0:36:430:36:47

Let's discuss this now

with Tisha Brown from Greenpeace,

0:36:470:36:51

Professor Richard Thompson,

a marine biologist

0:36:510:36:54

from Plymouth University,

who gave evidence to a parliamentary

0:36:540:36:58

committee about microbeads,

and Dr Chris Flower, director

0:36:580:37:02

general of the Cosmetics,

Toiletries and

0:37:020:37:04

Perfumery Association.

0:37:040:37:11

Good morning, thank you very much

for coming on the programme. What

0:37:110:37:14

impact is this ban is likely to

have?

It would reduce the amount of

0:37:140:37:21

plastic entering our oceans, we are

currently up to 12 million tonnes

0:37:210:37:25

every year, which is the equivalent

of a rubbish truck's worth every

0:37:250:37:29

minute. We are very excited about

the ban, it will help reduce the

0:37:290:37:35

amount of plastic entering the

oceans, which makes its way up the

0:37:350:37:39

food chain, it is being ingested by

fish, as you mentioned before. We

0:37:390:37:43

are also finding these micro

plastics in everything from beer to

0:37:430:37:50

drinking water, honey, sea salt, all

these things. It is concerning that

0:37:500:37:55

we are having these where we do not

expect them to be. We are happy that

0:37:550:37:59

the ban is coming into force.

So

there is plastic and things like

0:37:590:38:05

honey?

Yeah, micro plastic has been

found in all of those items.

There

0:38:050:38:10

is evidence for that?

There is.

Richard is behind you, sorry, if you

0:38:100:38:15

turn around a bit, welcome to the

programme. Richard Thompson, marine

0:38:150:38:21

biologist, how damaging heart

microbeads to ocean wildlife?

Well,

0:38:210:38:26

we know that a wide range of

creatures can eat micro plastic, we

0:38:260:38:30

looked at 500 fish from the English

channel, and we found it in about a

0:38:300:38:35

third of them. The laboratory

evidence clearly shows that it can

0:38:350:38:39

present harm to marine organisms, so

anything we can do to reduce the

0:38:390:38:44

influence is really important. As

you say, it is part of the process,

0:38:440:38:49

we need to look at other items too.

Is there any difference between

0:38:490:38:54

microbeads in rinse off products, or

microbeads in lotions, make-up and

0:38:540:39:00

suncream?

I think that the thing

that needs to be considered is that

0:39:000:39:04

the benefit to society, and that was

never really clear, why we needed to

0:39:040:39:09

be cleansing ourselves with small

pieces of plastic, as we look at

0:39:090:39:13

other products, we need to think, is

there a benefit from having the

0:39:130:39:17

plastic there? For example, they are

present in some paints as a pigment,

0:39:170:39:21

but the pain stays on the wall of

your house, it is not immediately

0:39:210:39:25

rinse down the sink, passed through

waste treatment into the sea. So it

0:39:250:39:30

is a question of weighing the

benefits.

Chris, you are from the

0:39:300:39:36

industry association, why does the

cosmetic industry use microbeads in

0:39:360:39:40

its product?

Well, we don't know,

that is absolutely clear.

So there

0:39:400:39:45

are no micro cosmetic products being

made from now on?

We did not put

0:39:450:39:54

plastic microbeads in leave on

products, because the texture is

0:39:540:39:58

wrong, they are gritty particles

intended to exfoliate and cleanse.

0:39:580:40:01

You wouldn't want a pretty arterial

on your face. So we need to separate

0:40:010:40:06

that from the discussion about the

ban which is currently in place. We

0:40:060:40:12

welcome the ban, because it places a

level playing field not just for our

0:40:120:40:17

members, who voluntarily gave up

from 2015, but also for imported

0:40:170:40:22

products - they will now have to

play by the same rules.

Occurring...

0:40:220:40:29

So we have a whole array of tables

here, a whole array of goods on the

0:40:290:40:34

tables which show single use

plastic, is that Greenpeace's next

0:40:340:40:39

objective, get this kind of plastic

band, or at least, as Michael Gove

0:40:390:40:44

suggesting, you have to pay for it?

We are currently running a campaign

0:40:440:40:50

encouraging to have these deposit

return schemes, as you mentioned,

0:40:500:40:53

where you pay a bit more when you

buy a bottle, and it is returned for

0:40:530:40:57

recycling. Scotland is already

signalling that they want a deposit

0:40:570:41:03

return system there. Westminster is

now considering whether we can make

0:41:030:41:07

that UK wide, it would be a great

idea, stop those 16 million bottles

0:41:070:41:13

not being recycled every day.

Will

it be effective?

It has been used in

0:41:130:41:17

various different countries, it has

been used in Germany, where

0:41:170:41:21

recycling rate of plastic bottles

have increased up to 90%, so that is

0:41:210:41:26

great. It has been trialled in other

countries around the world, so we

0:41:260:41:28

know it is an effective way of

keeping them out of the environment.

0:41:280:41:32

What about the rest of this stuff?

The milk container, these plastic

0:41:320:41:37

cups, the crisp packaging, grapes

packaging.

Yeah, the Treasury

0:41:370:41:45

Department are looking at a

consultation on taxes that we can

0:41:450:41:48

possibly have on different single

use items such as what is on the

0:41:480:41:52

table, which we think would be good,

but we really feel that it is for

0:41:520:41:57

the manufacture of these products to

pay and look at difference is tonnes

0:41:570:42:00

of delivering their products,

instead of passing on the cost to

0:42:000:42:03

the consumer.

Do you think a tax on

single use plastics will deter

0:42:030:42:12

people, reduce pollution in the

oceans, or should it be paid for by

0:42:120:42:16

the manufacturers?

It is a range of

measures that is important. The

0:42:160:42:20

starting point micro, looking at

that table, if I was to show it to

0:42:200:42:25

someone recycling, some would say,

yes I can recycle that, others would

0:42:250:42:29

say, at the moment it could be

recyclable but the way it is

0:42:290:42:32

designed it is inadequate. The

starting point has to be the design

0:42:320:42:40

stage so that we are designing

projects that means there is no

0:42:400:42:46

escape to the environment and so

that single use packaging is

0:42:460:42:49

designed for end of life recovery.

Up until now, we really haven't done

0:42:490:42:53

a particularly good job of doing so.

And I think we have been using

0:42:530:42:58

microbeads in cosmetics now for 50

years since the patent came in,

0:42:580:43:03

could not questions have been asked

before now?

Do you want to answer

0:43:030:43:08

that?

They were brought in because

they were very effective, of course,

0:43:080:43:12

but 50 years ago people were not

aware of the environment and

0:43:120:43:15

pollution the way we are today. In

more recent times, once the issue

0:43:150:43:23

was more aware, companies

immediately took action to remove

0:43:230:43:27

microbeads from their products.

So

the cosmetics industry is in the

0:43:270:43:31

clear?

We think we have shown a

responsible approach to this. We

0:43:310:43:35

want to work with ours now to tackle

the issue of how we as a society use

0:43:350:43:40

plastic.

Would you agree they have

been responsible in the cosmetics

0:43:400:43:43

industry?

I think, you know, they

say they do not have plastic

0:43:430:43:49

currently in different products, but

the litter is a micro plastic, still

0:43:490:43:54

used in many different products, and

there are natural alternatives that

0:43:540:43:58

we can use instead of it. --

glitter.

That is also coming out of

0:43:580:44:06

rinse off products now, plastic

based glitter, that is why the

0:44:060:44:10

Government was saying it is broader

than any ban in the world, because

0:44:100:44:14

it does cover those users too.

But

not in leave on products.

But there

0:44:140:44:22

are alternatives, and indeed, excuse

me, most companies, you will find,

0:44:220:44:27

will be using alternatives or

developing alternatives, because

0:44:270:44:30

they are aware of these concerns. We

are living in the same environment,

0:44:300:44:36

we have families and friends who use

the products, they are all asking

0:44:360:44:39

questions of the people working in

the companies, so we are not saying

0:44:390:44:44

this is not our problem. We want to

be part of the solution, we want to

0:44:440:44:49

understand the contribution we make,

which we believe is tiny but can

0:44:490:44:53

nevertheless be managed and needs to

be dealt with. We want to be part of

0:44:530:44:57

the solution for the bigger question

of plastic pollution.

Thank you all

0:44:570:45:00

very much. Thank you very much for

your time.

0:45:000:45:12

Coming up, the Bafta nominations

are out this morning.

0:45:120:45:14

We'll get full reaction

to the films in the running.

0:45:140:45:18

British talent dominates the leading

actor categories.

0:45:180:45:25

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle

are due to visit Reprezent Radio

0:45:250:45:27

Station later today for their second

official event as an engaged couple.

0:45:270:45:30

They're heading to Brixton

in South London to learn more

0:45:300:45:32

about the underground radio station

that was set up in 2008 in response

0:45:320:45:35

to an increase in knife crime.

0:45:350:45:37

The 24 hour station is presented

by young people and aims to tackle

0:45:370:45:42

issues such as mental

health and cyber-bullying.

0:45:420:45:44

Our reporter Claire Jones

has visited the station

0:45:440:45:46

to find out more.

0:45:460:45:58

The sound of young London

on Reprezent Radio.

0:45:580:46:00

An underground radio

station presented by young

0:46:000:46:01

people in South London

is gaining international attention.

0:46:010:46:04

We are going to be getting some more

requests, but until then...

0:46:040:46:08

They say they're the sound of young

London and from humble beginnings

0:46:080:46:12

they have big plans for the future.

0:46:120:46:19

Reprezent is more than just small

Brixton or like a youth club

0:46:190:46:22

like we are literally everywhere

and we hope to just

0:46:220:46:24

continue to expand.

0:46:240:46:27

I want to influence how we listen

to music in the country.

0:46:270:46:30

I want to push great

talented artists.

0:46:300:46:37

I just want to - I have got so much

plans, but I couldn't done none

0:46:370:46:40

of it without Reprezent.

0:46:400:46:43

Reprezent is a station that

I believe is like a family

0:46:430:46:49

and there is a lot of opportunity

at Reprezent and there

0:46:490:46:52

is a lot of direction.

0:46:520:46:55

Reprezent Radio is housed in these

three storage containers and aims

0:46:550:47:01

to help people get into music,

radio, and media and most

0:47:010:47:04

importantly, bring

about positive change.

0:47:040:47:06

I can just do so many things now

technically and socially as well.

0:47:060:47:09

It has opened up a whole

new world for me.

0:47:090:47:16

A lot of people get discouraged.

0:47:160:47:22

As a station we branch out and we're

very accepting of people.

0:47:220:47:32

The core Reprezent as being

like as accepting and family based

0:47:380:47:41

thing, I thing the community

appreciate that and we have had

0:47:410:47:43

loads of people come up and say,

"I want to see the station."

0:47:430:47:46

I think they appreciate

the openness of Reprezent.

0:47:460:47:48

The station was set-up

in 2008 in response

0:47:480:47:50

to an increase in knife crime.

0:47:500:47:52

In 2011, the station gained an FM

licence and since then

0:47:520:47:54

there are nearly 100 shows

going on across the station.

0:47:540:47:57

There are 4,000 people taking part

in the Reprezent training programme

0:47:570:47:59

and there are 3,000 people

on the waiting list.

0:47:590:48:02

And some of the artists

are now household names.

0:48:020:48:08

Stormsy.

0:48:080:48:09

Stormsy is one that people might

know who came to Reprezent years ago

0:48:090:48:13

before he had any profile

and he came on as a guest

0:48:130:48:15

on a show and was so funny

that we gave him a show of his own.

0:48:150:48:23

So he was an agony uncle

so people had to phone

0:48:230:48:26

in and get advice from Stormsy

and that was really funny.

0:48:260:48:32

The trainees and DJs believe

the station has helped them overcome

0:48:320:48:34

personal challenges.

0:48:340:48:36

Without Reprezent I

wouldn't have direction.

0:48:360:48:38

I wouldn't be where I am today.

0:48:380:48:43

I came here with - I was lost,

I was lost and I just wanted

0:48:430:48:46

to learn and they said yes

and they've guided me ever since.

0:48:460:48:56

Around the age of 16, to 19,

when all girls are growing up,

0:48:580:49:01

everybody faces stuff,

but for me it was on

0:49:010:49:04

a ridiculous level.

0:49:040:49:05

I just didn't think

I could speak to people.

0:49:050:49:07

Without Reprezent being there,

I think I would just be a recluse.

0:49:070:49:10

I wouldn't be able to speak

to people the way that I can now

0:49:100:49:13

and be as open and as fun loving

as I am today.

0:49:130:49:18

Put your hands up if you are like

yes, I'm stressed most of the time.

0:49:180:49:22

The station is trying to tackle

the issues that affect

0:49:220:49:24

young people the most.

0:49:240:49:27

You will see a jumble of emojis.

0:49:270:49:30

You have 30 seconds to try and work

out what the story means and then

0:49:300:49:33

I'll be taking an answer

from the crowd.

0:49:330:49:40

It is such a family feeling

and I can't get it anywhere

0:49:400:49:43

else at any station.

0:49:430:49:45

Not all the time, but sometimes

with older people can being seem

0:49:450:49:49

patronising if they are telling

you where to go and I have seen it

0:49:490:49:54

through the people that I talk

to as well, if you find that

0:49:540:49:57

you have gone through something

else that another young

0:49:570:49:59

person has gone through,

it is easier to connect

0:49:590:50:01

with them on a level

as opposed to a person saying,

0:50:010:50:04

"This is what you need to do."

0:50:040:50:06

If I had somebody my own age

telling me I have been through this

0:50:060:50:09

and this is what to do and the best

thing ever and that's what Reprezent

0:50:090:50:13

is the best thing for.

0:50:130:50:16

On the sound of Reprezent Radio...

0:50:160:50:19

In one their first joint visits,

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle

0:50:190:50:22

will meet some of the young DJs.

0:50:220:50:26

It's the biggest thing

to happen to Reprezent

0:50:260:50:28

and I'm so excited for it.

0:50:280:50:30

I can't wait to meet them.

0:50:300:50:32

I think they're going to be

really cool and down earth

0:50:320:50:35

which is the thing I'm

most excited about.

0:50:350:50:39

I keep saying with Harry I feel

like I would be able to speak slang

0:50:390:50:43

to him and he would understand

what I'm saying because he

0:50:430:50:45

seems like a cool guy.

0:50:450:50:47

Even if they don't ask,

I will guarantee for no fee

0:50:470:50:50

to DJ at their wedding,

I will just for them.

0:50:500:50:54

Anything Harry wants to hear

I will play it and I want to do

0:50:540:50:58

a special rap dedicated

to them as well.

0:50:580:51:03

If they're up for it,

I'm here to do it.

0:51:030:51:08

Our reporter Claire Jones

at Reprezent Radio station

0:51:080:51:10

which harry and meghan

are visiting later today.

0:51:100:51:15

Chaos.

0:51:150:51:16

Disarray.

0:51:160:51:17

Shambolic.

0:51:170:51:18

Embarassing - some of the words used

to describe yesterday's

0:51:180:51:23

reshuffle.

0:51:230:51:30

Let's speak to Norman Smith.

Many of

Mrs May's people hope New Year would

0:51:300:51:35

be sort of moment of new

opportunities. She could assert her

0:51:350:51:38

grip over the party, particularly

after the back end of last year when

0:51:380:51:41

you remember she got the Brexit

negotiations through the first

0:51:410:51:43

phase, got the Brexit bill through

the Commons and there was a sense

0:51:430:51:48

ah-ha Mrs May is on the front foot

and now she can get momentum with a

0:51:480:51:52

meaty reshuffle. Instead, I mean,

you know, blink and you probably

0:51:520:51:55

would have missed it because not

much has really changed. In terms of

0:51:550:52:01

authority, well, you know, Mrs May's

ininability to shift key ministers

0:52:010:52:08

such as just teen Greening and

Jeremy Hunt has meant the idea of

0:52:080:52:12

her asserting authority has hit the

buffers. It is not a particularly

0:52:120:52:15

different looking Cabinet. There are

no more women actually in the

0:52:150:52:18

Cabinet. There are two more who are

going to attend it. No more

0:52:180:52:23

non-white faces in the Cabinet. It

looks and feels the same. The papers

0:52:230:52:27

this morning, I mean, they give it a

panning, Greening quits in shambolic

0:52:270:52:35

reshuffle. There is not much of an

upside. And we had the extraordinary

0:52:350:52:41

situation of Jeremy Hunt convincing

Mrs May on the hoof to create this

0:52:410:52:47

new post, albeit this morning,

jurpbt was coming back from a run,

0:52:470:52:50

we can see the pictures of him

coming back from an early morning

0:52:500:52:55

run, he was not saying anything

about whether he damaged Mrs May's

0:52:550:53:00

authority by his refusal to go.

REPORTER: Did you threaten to

0:53:000:53:04

resign? Have you undermined the

Prime Minister, Mr Hunt?

0:53:040:53:10

So where do we go from here? Well,

there is going to be a shake-up of

0:53:100:53:15

the middle ranking posts in

government today and the May team

0:53:150:53:19

are saying this is when we are going

to bring on the new Tory MPs,

0:53:190:53:23

younger Tory MPs, female Tory MPs,

MPs from ethnic minorities. The

0:53:230:53:27

problem is brutally, no one cares.

You know, whoever is under Secretary

0:53:270:53:33

of State for I don't know postal

services, doesn't matter frankly to

0:53:330:53:36

voters. The only posts which they

are likely to notice is the big

0:53:360:53:41

posts in Cabinet. So it is not going

to change the overall perception of

0:53:410:53:44

the shake-up. And I suppose the

difficulty for Mrs May is that far

0:53:440:53:50

from being a moment when she can

strengthen her position, it has

0:53:500:53:57

underlined the old lurking doubts

about how much control she has over

0:53:570:54:00

her party and how divided and split

it is over the issue of Brexit.

0:54:000:54:06

Cheers, Norman, thank you very much.

Imagine if your boss said I want you

0:54:060:54:11

to move jobs and you said, "No, not

doing it." It would be really odd,

0:54:110:54:16

wouldn't it? Cut the tension with a

knife. Right.

0:54:160:54:27

Now have a look at this.

0:54:270:54:34

Is Donald Trump forgetting the words

to the National Anthem? A lot of his

0:54:340:54:38

critics are saying he can't sing the

words of the Star Spangled Banner.

0:54:380:54:43

His supporters say he was proud to

see him stand.

0:54:430:54:55

He knows some of the words, it is

obvious.

0:55:210:55:24

The Flag Code makes no mention

of whether the anthem should be sung

0:55:240:55:27

by those present.

0:55:270:55:29

Singing it is, however,

encouraged from school onwards.

0:55:290:55:37

We will leave it for you to decide.

0:55:370:55:43

Let's get the latest weather update.

0:55:430:55:46

Bottom Good morning.

Well, I'm going to take a look back

0:55:470:55:51

in time because in 1982, from the

7th January for 36 hours, this is

0:55:510:55:57

what happened. We had substantial

snow across South Wales. So

0:55:570:56:02

substantial in fact, that throughout

the whole of the month of January,

0:56:020:56:06

we looked at 40 to 60 centimetres of

snow. That's getting on for two

0:56:060:56:11

feet. Most of that would have fallen

in the 36 hours, drifts up to six

0:56:110:56:16

meters high. Really, covering cars,

bringing down roofs of buildings

0:56:160:56:21

because of the weight of the snow

0:56:210:56:23

bringing down roofs of buildings

because of the weight of the snow

0:56:230:56:23

and for some, Especially with the

drifts many houses were almost

0:56:230:56:27

totally covered so it brought chaos

to South Wales and the M4 was

0:56:270:56:32

stationary. Quite a different

picture today. One of our Weather

0:56:320:56:36

Watchers pictures shows in Wales, it

is cloudy. It is not just in Wales.

0:56:360:56:39

Across many parts of the British

Isles that is the story. Cold, not

0:56:390:56:43

as cold as yesterday, but cold

nonetheless and grey, but not

0:56:430:56:48

everywhere, across north-west

Scotland, another beautiful Weather

0:56:480:56:50

Watchers picture showing early

morning sunshine. It is not just

0:56:500:56:55

north-west Scotland seeing the

sunshine, north-west parts of

0:56:550:56:59

England, Cumbria, around Carlisle

and north-west Wales will see

0:56:590:57:01

sunshine today and it should

brighten up around Essex, Sussex and

0:57:010:57:05

Kent, but at the same time, we have

got a weather front coming in from

0:57:050:57:09

the west and it will introduce

strengthening winds and also some

0:57:090:57:12

rain, but with it, will come milder

conditions. So, across Plymouth, we

0:57:120:57:17

are looking at ten Celsius, barn

stable nine Celsius. For Wales, it

0:57:170:57:22

will remain cloudy. Again hill fog

around and low cloud. Across

0:57:220:57:26

Northern Ireland, well, the cloud

continuing to build ahead of this

0:57:260:57:28

rain and the wind is also going to

strengthen, but ahead of it too, it

0:57:280:57:33

will be a grey afternoon. Sunny

across north-west Scotland, much of

0:57:330:57:37

the rest of Scotland grey and

cloudy. Again with the odd spot of

0:57:370:57:42

drizzle coming out of the cloud.

Away from north-west England, it is

0:57:420:57:47

fairly grey and cloud xwri with the

odd spot of drizzle. We could see

0:57:470:57:52

brightness and across southern

counties with that cloud, it won't

0:57:520:57:56

feel as cloud with temperatures

between seven and nine Celsius.

0:57:560:57:59

Through this evening and overnight,

the weather front in the west moves

0:57:590:58:04

north-east wards, the rain turning

patchy and behind it, there will be

0:58:040:58:08

fog patches forming across the

Midlands, across Northern Ireland

0:58:080:58:10

and after the rain goes through with

the damp surfaces and the lower

0:58:100:58:14

temperatures, especially across

Northern Ireland, there is the risk

0:58:140:58:17

of ice and we will see snow coming

out of that across northern England

0:58:170:58:20

and the hills and the hills of

Scotland. So tomorrow, the rain

0:58:200:58:25

progresses steadily north-east

wards. Again fragmenting as it does

0:58:250:58:28

so. It will clear the East Coast of

England sometime during the

0:58:280:58:33

afternoon, but hang around across

north-east Scotland and the Northern

0:58:330:58:37

Isles for much of the rest of the

day and into the night. Behind t we

0:58:370:58:40

will see brightness and sunshine

coming through. Temperatures not bad

0:58:400:58:44

at all, four Celsius in Glasgow and

ten as we push towards the south.

0:58:440:58:47

And then as we head overnight and

towards the end of the week, we are

0:58:470:58:51

more likely to see fog. We could

have widespread fog first thing on

0:58:510:58:56

Thursday morning across Northern

Ireland, east Wales, into the

0:58:560:58:59

Midlands and southern counties of

England as well. Some of that will

0:58:590:59:03

be slow to clear. Some may lift into

low cloud. Move north, we are back

0:59:030:59:09

into brighter sunnier skies. No

heatwave and temperatures coming

0:59:090:59:13

down a touch in the south. If we

look at what's happening on Friday.

0:59:130:59:16

Friday again, some fog to start the

day. A lot of dry weather, but this

0:59:160:59:20

system bringing wet and windy

weather is coming our way.

0:59:200:59:25

Hello, it's Tuesday, it's ten

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

0:59:280:59:30

Our top story today -

the journalist Toby Young

0:59:300:59:33

has resigned from the universties

watchdog after widespread

0:59:330:59:35

criticism of crude and offensive

comments he'd written in the past.

0:59:350:59:43

This wasn't just somebody writing

some stupid comments on Twitter,

0:59:430:59:46

which we've all been guilty of in

the past. This is somebody who has

0:59:460:59:50

written some really extreme staff

and really crosses boundaries that

0:59:500:59:56

are just too far.

The full interview

with that Conservative MP in the

0:59:561:00:01

next half-hour. And also an

interview with one former Labour MP

1:00:011:00:05

who was subject to comments from

Toby Young about her cleavage. Paul

1:00:051:00:09

has said, I believe he is guilty of

little more than funny male banter,

1:00:091:00:13

not a right-wing sleazebag or

misogynist, and I think it is time

1:00:131:00:18

to end the feminist terror that is

operating in this country. Tell us

1:00:181:00:21

your own views.

1:00:211:00:23

Also on the programme,

hundreds of migrants

1:00:231:00:24

are still in Calais,

a year after the so-called

1:00:241:00:27

Jungle camp was destroyed.

1:00:271:00:28

We'll hear from one of the

700 people living rough

1:00:281:00:30

in the hope of a better life.

1:00:301:00:34

How long do you think you can live

like this?

Three months, four

1:00:341:00:38

months. I hope I don't get sick.

1:00:381:00:44

We'll get reaction from

truckers and migrants.

1:00:461:00:49

If you're a lorry driver and

regularly travels through Calais,

1:00:491:00:51

tell us your experience of migrants

trying to get into the UK.

1:00:511:00:59

You may think that thing looks

human, stands on microlights, right?

1:00:591:01:03

And the fantasy romance

The Shape Of Water

1:01:031:01:05

leads the Bafta nominations

with 12 nods.

1:01:051:01:07

We'll look at that and the other

films in the running

1:01:071:01:09

this award season.

1:01:091:01:15

Good morning.

1:01:151:01:16

Here's Ben in the BBC newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

1:01:161:01:19

Journalist Toby Young

has resigned from the board

1:01:191:01:21

of the Office for Students

after more than 200,000 people

1:01:211:01:25

signed a petition

calling for him to go.

1:01:251:01:27

In an article in the Spectator,

1:01:271:01:30

he says his appointment

had become a distraction

1:01:301:01:32

from the board's vital

work of broadening access

1:01:321:01:34

to higher education.

1:01:341:01:36

It follows accusations that he had

made offensive comments on Twitter.

1:01:361:01:42

The newly appointed chairman

of the Conservative Party,

1:01:421:01:44

Brandon Lewis, is insisting

Theresa May is fully

1:01:441:01:47

in control of her Cabinet,

despite yesterday's reshuffle

1:01:471:01:50

not going according to plan.

1:01:501:01:53

Education Secretary Justine Greening

resigned after refusing

1:01:531:01:55

an offer to become Work

and Pensions Secretary,

1:01:551:01:58

and Jeremy Hunt turned down a move

to business to remain

1:01:581:02:02

as Health Secretary

with added responsibilities.

1:02:021:02:05

The reshuffle will continue today,

with more ministerial roles

1:02:051:02:08

expected to go to women,

younger MPs

1:02:081:02:10

and those from ethnic minorities.

1:02:101:02:14

Well, I think if you look

at what the Prime Minister outlined

1:02:141:02:17

yesterday in terms of how

the departments are working,

1:02:171:02:19

there's some really good

new people coming in,

1:02:191:02:21

we've got, you know,

more women around the Cabinet table

1:02:211:02:24

now than we've ever had before,

we've got actually

1:02:241:02:26

a very clear focus.

1:02:261:02:29

The UK's equality watchdog

has said it will write to the BBC

1:02:291:02:32

about claims of unlawful pay

discrimination made by its former

1:02:321:02:34

China editor, Carrie Gracie.

1:02:341:02:36

The Equality and Human

Rights Commission says

1:02:361:02:39

it will then decide

if further action is required.

1:02:391:02:43

Ms Gracie resigned after

she discovered a gap

1:02:431:02:45

between her salary and

that of her male counterparts.

1:02:451:02:50

North Korea has agreed to send

athletes accompanied by senior

1:02:501:02:53

officials to the Winter Olympics

in South Korea next month.

1:02:531:02:57

The two countries have held their

first talks for more than two years

1:02:571:03:00

in the demilitarised zone

that divides the peninsula.

1:03:001:03:05

The South Korean delegation

has also proposed more contacts

1:03:051:03:08

between the two countries

in what appears to be a significant

1:03:081:03:10

move to lower tension in the region.

1:03:101:03:15

Just over a year since

the so-called Jungle camp

1:03:151:03:17

was destroyed in Calais,

this programme has learnt

1:03:171:03:19

that around 700 migrants

are living rough in the area.

1:03:191:03:21

French police say they're clearing

tents and blankets daily

1:03:211:03:24

to stop a camp re-forming there.

1:03:241:03:30

Charities say awful

living conditions there

1:03:301:03:32

mean people are taking huge

risks trying to reach the UK.

1:03:321:03:39

A UK-wide ban on the

manufacturing of cosmetics

1:03:391:03:41

and care products containing

microbeads has come into

1:03:411:03:43

force today, in an attempt

to cut down on the amount

1:03:431:03:46

of plastic in our oceans.

1:03:461:03:49

The beads that are used in

face washes and shower gels

1:03:491:03:52

are often ingested by sea animals,

1:03:521:03:55

and can even end up

entering our food chain.

1:03:551:03:57

It will be followed by a wider ban

on the sale of products containing

1:03:571:04:00

microbeads later in the year.

1:04:001:04:06

Professor Richard Thomson, a marine

biologist, told us it is a step in

1:04:061:04:11

the right direction.

A wide range of

creatures can eat micro plastic, we

1:04:111:04:15

looked at 500 fish from the English

Channel, and we found it in about a

1:04:151:04:21

third of them. Laboratory evidence

shows that it can present harm to

1:04:211:04:25

marine organisms, so anything we can

do to reduce the input of micro

1:04:251:04:30

plastic is really important.

1:04:301:04:31

That's a summary of the latest

BBC News, more at 10:30.

1:04:311:04:37

If you want to e-mail, you are very

welcome.

1:04:371:04:43

On Twitter, use #VictoriaLive.

1:04:431:04:47

Our Facebook page is really great,

thank you to you. Sarah is back with

1:04:471:04:50

the sport. Brighton through to the

fourth round of the FA Cup after a

1:04:501:04:57

win over Crystal Palace, 2-1. It was

the first time the video assistant

1:04:571:05:02

referee was used in a competitive

match in the UK, that is how it

1:05:021:05:06

works, on the side of the pitch.

There was some debate about whether

1:05:061:05:10

it should have been used for this

late winner, Glenn Murray guiding

1:05:101:05:13

the ball into the net three minutes

from time to send them through to

1:05:131:05:16

the fourth round. Some Palace

players suggested it was handball,

1:05:161:05:22

but referee Andrew Marron was happy

that he did not, and he did not feel

1:05:221:05:27

the need to act further. -- Andre

Marriner.

From where we were

1:05:271:05:33

standing and watching, it looked for

all the world that he had handball

1:05:331:05:38

did, and the players close by

thought so too, but when you see it

1:05:381:05:41

lots of times, there is a very good

case for the BA are and the referee

1:05:411:05:46

to make that he did not handball it,

very close, no complaints about

1:05:461:05:50

that. -- the VAR. English cricket

coach Trevor Bayliss said he will

1:05:501:06:01

step down at the end of the next

Ashes Series. He says

it has nothing

1:06:011:06:05

to do with their 4-0 Ashes defeat in

Australia. He has vowed to start the

1:06:051:06:10

job of building a team able to win

down under before he leaves.

I told

1:06:101:06:17

Andrew Strauss probably 12 months

ago that September 2019 I have been

1:06:171:06:29

contracted to, and I have never gone

longer than that in other jobs, I

1:06:291:06:32

have always felt that is about time

to have a different approach from

1:06:321:06:40

someone to reinvigorate things.

Today marks a month until the start

1:06:401:06:47

of the Winter Olympics in

Pyeongchang, and in the next hour or

1:06:471:06:50

so we will find out how many medals

British athletes will be expected to

1:06:501:06:54

bring home. GB returned with a

record haul from Sochi four years

1:06:541:06:58

ago. UK Sport will reveal their

medal target today, which will have

1:06:581:07:01

a large impact on subsequent funding

for these sports. Dame Katherine

1:07:011:07:09

Grainger says she is expecting the

best Games ever as far as the Winter

1:07:091:07:14

Olympics and Paralympics are

concerned.

We have seen huge changes

1:07:141:07:17

and improvements over the last 15

years, a massive investment from the

1:07:171:07:22

National Lottery and from the

Government, so it enables the team

1:07:221:07:24

to become more professional, to have

more athletes involved, to employ

1:07:241:07:30

coaches, physiotherapists, all the

experts who work in conjunction, and

1:07:301:07:35

especially the Winter Games travel a

lot more than the Summer Games,

1:07:351:07:37

because they need to find more snow

and ice than we have in Britain. It

1:07:371:07:42

requires a big investment to get

success on that level.

That is your

1:07:421:07:47

sport for now, more after ten, 30.

Morning, welcome to the programme.

1:07:471:07:57

Toby Young has resigned from the new

higher education watchdog, he has

1:07:571:08:01

been widely criticised for making

crude remarks on social media,

1:08:011:08:04

prompting team-mate to say he would

lose his job if the statements were

1:08:041:08:08

repeated. But he said he has decided

to step down because his employment

1:08:081:08:12

had been a distraction.

1:08:121:08:16

Some examples of the kind of thing

he's said, or tweeted,

1:08:161:08:19

in the past include...

1:08:191:08:20

In 2004, he wrote an article

1:08:201:08:21

about posing as a lesbian

for the night and embarking

1:08:211:08:24

on a "whistle-stop tour

of New York's hottest lesbian clubs"

1:08:241:08:26

with the aim of drawing lesbians

into his confidence to "make out

1:08:261:08:29

with them on the dance floor."

1:08:291:08:31

While watching Comic Relief in 2009

he commented,

1:08:311:08:33

"What happened to

Winkleman's breasts?"

1:08:331:08:34

"Put on some weight, girlie."

1:08:341:08:37

A few hours later he wrote,

1:08:371:08:40

"Alan Carr has bigger breasts

than Claudia Winkelman."

1:08:401:08:44

While watching Prime Minister's

Questions in 2011, he wrote,

1:08:441:08:46

"That's quite a cleavage

behind Ed Miliband."

1:08:461:08:50

In 2012 during PMQs he tweeted,

1:08:501:08:52

"Serious cleavage behind

Ed Miliband's head."

1:08:521:08:54

"Anyone know who it belongs to?"

1:08:541:09:00

And there are others far too crude

for us to report today.

1:09:001:09:08

I would get into trouble from you,

apart from the broadcasting

1:09:081:09:12

regulator!

1:09:121:09:15

He's also made a number of comments

about disabled people

1:09:151:09:17

which have caused offence.

1:09:171:09:20

Rob Hulse and is chair of the

Education Select Committee and he is

1:09:201:09:23

disabled. He gave us his reaction to

the resignation.

1:09:231:09:32

I think he has shown some courage to

apologise for the many things that

1:09:321:09:36

he has written, and I think he will

do a good job running the free

1:09:361:09:42

schools that he does, and no doubt

continue to be an interesting

1:09:421:09:45

journalist.

You voiced your

objections eloquently to his

1:09:451:09:51

appointment, to the Universities

Minister in the House of Commons

1:09:511:09:54

just yesterday, a day after Theresa

May said that he could stay in his

1:09:541:09:57

job as long as he didn't say

anything else offensive. Why did you

1:09:571:10:02

disagree with the Prime Minister on

this?

Well, I felt it was the wrong

1:10:021:10:06

decision to appoint Toby Young. It

wasn't just because of the things

1:10:061:10:11

that he had said on Twitter, it was

some very dark articles where he

1:10:111:10:16

talks about disabilities in quite a

derogatory way, where he had written

1:10:161:10:19

about supporting what he called

progressive eugenics, and also had

1:10:191:10:26

taken the Mick out of working class

people going to good universities. I

1:10:261:10:31

felt this was quite a dark, and

uncomfortable, and I thought that if

1:10:311:10:36

you are put on a regulator for

students, for universities, it would

1:10:361:10:41

and I'm confident in that

institution if you had somebody with

1:10:411:10:46

those views in post. -- it would

undermine confidence in that

1:10:461:10:50

institution.

Of the Government made

a mistake with this appointment?

I

1:10:501:10:57

made clear that this was not the

right decision is chair of the

1:10:571:11:01

Education Select Committee, I waited

a week to look into what he had

1:11:011:11:04

written and said. But I think he had

gone to such an extreme and crossed

1:11:041:11:09

a boundary too far, that it was the

wrong appointment, and I don't think

1:11:091:11:13

enough due diligence was done when

he was appointed.

Which seems

1:11:131:11:18

extraordinary, does it not? Because

he has been writing and tweeting

1:11:181:11:25

contrary, controversial pieces for

decades.

Well, he was interviewed by

1:11:251:11:30

the chairman of the new regulatory

body, the Office for Students, I

1:11:301:11:33

don't know the process in which it

was decided to appoint him. The

1:11:331:11:37

argument was made that he had set up

some good free schools. Now, that is

1:11:371:11:43

a good thing, but many other people

have done things like that, who have

1:11:431:11:47

very good free schools, and I didn't

understand why that meant that they

1:11:471:11:54

had to choose him particularly.

I

would like to read, if I may, for

1:11:541:11:59

the benefit of our audience, who may

not know the specifics of the things

1:11:591:12:02

he wrote, here are some of the

examples, particularly to do with

1:12:021:12:09

disabilities and inclusion. In a

column in 2012, he called on the

1:12:091:12:13

Government to repeal the equalities

act, saying schools have got to be

1:12:131:12:17

inclusive these days, inclusive as

quotation marks around it, that

1:12:171:12:22

means wheelchair rants, the complete

works of Alice Walker in the

1:12:221:12:26

library, although no Mark Twain, and

a special educational needs that can

1:12:261:12:31

cope with everything from dyslexia

to Munchausen syndrome by proxy. He

1:12:311:12:35

went on, if Michael Gove is serious

about wanting to bring back

1:12:351:12:38

O-levels, the Government will have

to repeal equalities act because if

1:12:381:12:45

the exam is not accessible to a

functionally illiterate troglodyte

1:12:451:12:48

with a mental age of six will be

judged to be elitist and forbidden

1:12:481:12:52

by Harriet Harman's law. In 2015, he

wrote about technology that could

1:12:521:12:58

allow parents to select the most

intelligent embryo in vitro. You

1:12:581:13:02

wrote this, my proposal is this,

once the technology becomes

1:13:021:13:06

available why not offer it free of

charge to parents on low incomes

1:13:061:13:11

with below average IQs? It could

address the problem of

1:13:111:13:17

intergenerational social mobility

and serve as a counterweight for the

1:13:171:13:23

meritocratic elite to become a

hereditary elite. I read those out

1:13:231:13:26

for the benefit of our audience. You

have a disability, a form of

1:13:261:13:30

cerebral palsy, what does it make

you feel when you hear those words

1:13:301:13:33

that he wrote Gemma

well, it is

horrible. If I go to a building,

1:13:331:13:41

because I have difficulties with my

legs, and I see there is a ramp, I

1:13:411:13:45

am filled with delight. When you

hear those kind of things from

1:13:451:13:50

people who know nothing about this,

you entertain, if I am honest with

1:13:501:13:57

you, horrible thoughts about the

individual making those comments.

1:13:571:14:00

I'll so think of mothers in my

constituency, there was a very

1:14:001:14:04

important autism charity in my

constituency, and you think of

1:14:041:14:08

mothers who wade through bureaucracy

and struggle everyday to deal with

1:14:081:14:12

their children, look after their

children, get them the best

1:14:121:14:15

education, and they see someone like

that ripping it to shreds. That is

1:14:151:14:20

why, when I saw this stuff, I said

publicly, wrote in newspapers and

1:14:201:14:26

any House of Commons that he had to

go, because it is just unacceptable.

1:14:261:14:31

Your particular interest is

education, you are chair of the

1:14:311:14:34

Education Select Committee. The

editor of the Conservative

1:14:341:14:39

supporting magazine the Spectator,

referring to Toby Young's work on

1:14:391:14:44

free schools, says he has done more

for others in the last few years

1:14:441:14:47

than most of his critics will do in

a lifetime, and Toby Young himself

1:14:471:14:51

said, after his appointment, that

one of the reasons it has caused

1:14:511:14:55

such a fuss is because he was a

defender of the Government education

1:14:551:14:59

reforms and it is a sector

completely dominated by the left. Is

1:14:591:15:04

he right?

I understand why the

editor of the Spectator is defending

1:15:041:15:08

one of his colleagues, Toby Young is

an associate editor of the Spectator

1:15:081:15:12

magazine, and it is a good

publication, but I fundamentally

1:15:121:15:16

disagree with what the editor of the

Spectator has said. This wasn't just

1:15:161:15:21

somebody writing some stupid

comments on Twitter, which we have

1:15:211:15:24

all done, I have been guilty of

myself in the past. This is somebody

1:15:241:15:28

was written some really extreme

stuff, really crossing boundaries

1:15:281:15:33

that are just too far, and as

Conservatives, as a Conservative, we

1:15:331:15:38

have to stand up for this, because

otherwise we give an indication to

1:15:381:15:42

the public that this sort of thing

doesn't matter at all, and...

Do you

1:15:421:15:47

agree with Toby Young when he makes

the point that the job of the

1:15:471:15:50

watchdog, if it is to be done

properly, as to include people from

1:15:501:15:54

the left and right?

I want good

people on the right.

So to bey Young

1:15:541:16:03

is a bad Conservative.

The things he

has written is bad. He has done a

1:16:031:16:08

lot of work on free schools and I

acknowledge that, but there are

1:16:081:16:12

other good people who have done work

on free schools who happen to be

1:16:121:16:16

from the right of the political

spectrum, why they had to choose

1:16:161:16:19

this individual, I don't understand.

There are many good people who have

1:16:191:16:24

done similar things to Toby Young.

He has done a brilliant job on free

1:16:241:16:28

schools and I've acknowledged that,

but that doesn't mean that he is the

1:16:281:16:31

right choice to be on this regulator

given what he has written and said

1:16:311:16:35

in the past.

We will hear about the

wider reshuffle Theresa May is

1:16:351:16:42

trying to do. A tweet, "I am one of

the people who signed the petition

1:16:421:16:46

to remove Toby Young. I'm pleased he

removed himself. ." Carl e-mails,

1:16:461:16:55

"The point needs to be made that

Theresa May backed Toby Young. It

1:16:551:16:59

shows just how out-of-touch and weak

the Prime Minister really is that

1:16:591:17:02

she could not pick a fight with a

misogynistic and working class

1:17:021:17:08

sleaze. Never mind picking one with

senior MPs in her party. She is weak

1:17:081:17:14

and out-of-touch of events and held

to ransom by a party crippled by

1:17:141:17:17

chaos. It really is time to go."

Kathy says, "No problem noticing

1:17:171:17:26

cleavage, no problem tweeting about

it."

1:17:261:17:32

One of the tweets was from 2012.

The subject of that tweet was Pamela

1:17:321:17:40

Nash. Let's talk to her. Hello to

you.

Good morning.

How do you react

1:17:401:17:49

to the fact that Toby Young has

resigned from the universities

1:17:491:17:52

watchdog?

I welcome the fact that he

has resigned, but there are

1:17:521:17:57

questions to be answered to why this

went on for so long and why he was

1:17:571:18:02

appointed.

It wouldn't take much to

Google what he had said or written

1:18:021:18:08

in the past.

My jaw dropped open

when I watched the Prime Minister on

1:18:081:18:13

the Marr Show saying she didn't know

he made the comments. He had to

1:18:131:18:22

delete 40,000 or 50,000 tweets about

one woman, this was sustained over

1:18:221:18:26

years and years of these twisted

views about women, disabled people,

1:18:261:18:30

gay people and the working class. So

it is beyond belief that anyone who

1:18:301:18:34

was in a position of appointing him

to an important job did not look and

1:18:341:18:39

see that the comments had been made.

He talked about political incorrect

1:18:391:18:51

comments he made in the past and he

was sorry and he hoped people would

1:18:511:18:55

judge him on his actions and not his

words?

I appreciate he made this

1:18:551:18:59

apology. He also said in his blog

this morning that these were in a

1:18:591:19:05

past time and a past job and not

coinciding with his work in

1:19:051:19:09

education. That is simply not true.

And very well documented. The

1:19:091:19:13

comments that he made about me were

years after he started his quest to

1:19:131:19:17

start a free school.

He wrote, I mentioned earlier, I was

1:19:171:19:22

telling our audience about the fact

that he wrote in 2004 about

1:19:221:19:27

pretending to be a lesbian so he

could tour nightclubs in New York,

1:19:271:19:31

as he put it the hottest lesbian

clubs in New York with the aim of

1:19:311:19:35

getting them to make out with him on

the dance floor. What do you think

1:19:351:19:38

of that behaviour?

I hadn't heard

that before actually Victoria, but

1:19:381:19:44

that is astounding, but again, this

isn't about one action or something

1:19:441:19:49

silly that he did that a few years

ago. This is views that he has

1:19:491:19:54

perpetrated over a long period of

time. That are very well documented

1:19:541:19:58

and I think the combination of that

and the fact that there has been an

1:19:581:20:03

outcry there are questions to be

answered about why he was appointed

1:20:031:20:06

in the first place. He is showing

such Danes for the majority of

1:20:061:20:11

people who seek a university

education in this country and who

1:20:111:20:14

find it most difficult. Why on earth

was he appointed to a role where he

1:20:141:20:19

would be overseeing their welfare?

Thank you.

1:20:191:20:21

Thank you very much, Pamela.

Thank

you for having me.

A former Labour

1:20:211:20:25

MP.

This texter says, "So glad Toby

1:20:251:20:29

Young has gone. I don't understand

why he didn't go sooner." Another

1:20:291:20:33

one, "Toby Young will not be missed.

He is yet another arrogant male. He

1:20:331:20:38

should have been sacked before now."

Breaking news, government sources

1:20:381:20:42

have told the BBC that the

international Trade Minister, Mark

1:20:421:20:46

garnier is leaving the Government.

We will talk to Norman Smith in a

1:20:461:20:49

moment or too. But you will remember

that Mark Garnier, was a minister

1:20:491:20:56

who asked his secretary, his PA, to

buy sex toys if I recall correctly

1:20:561:21:04

from a shop in Soho. Mark Garnier

sources have told the BBC is leaving

1:21:041:21:10

the Government.

The fact he is leaving is not

1:21:101:21:19

related to allegations of

inappropriate behaviour.

1:21:191:21:27

The nominations for this year's

Bafta Film Awards are out.

1:21:271:21:31

Let's talk to our

reporter Chi Chi Izundu.

1:21:311:21:41

The Shape Of Water. We can take a

little look at it now.

1:21:441:21:58

My feet are killing me.

He just hate

them up. Thank you No thank yous, no

1:21:581:22:07

yum-yums. As silent as a grave.

Sally Hawkins is up for Best Actress

1:22:071:22:19

and she says she feels it is a gift

from my homeland and I'm touched

1:22:191:22:23

about it.

12 nods is quite the accolade for

1:22:231:22:29

one particular film.

Loads.

It is

loads! But the next two films that

1:22:291:22:35

got the most nominations include

Darkest Hour which stars Gary Oldman

1:22:351:22:43

and Three Billboards. Let's look at

Darkest Hour Gary plays Winston

1:22:431:22:50

Churchill.

And before our forces are

wiped out completely, now is the

1:22:501:22:57

time to negotiate in order to obtain

the best conditions possible. Hitler

1:22:571:23:04

will not insist on outrageous terms.

He will know his own weaknesses. He

1:23:041:23:07

will be reasonable.

When will the

lesson be learnt? When will the

1:23:071:23:13

lesson be learned? How many more

dictators must be wooed, appeased,

1:23:131:23:27

before we learn?

Oddly Gary says

this is his only second BAFTA

1:23:271:23:33

nomination in his career which is

considering the wealth of his back

1:23:331:23:39

catalogue that's surprising. He is

nominated in the Darkest Hour for

1:23:391:23:45

Best Actor. He is up against good

names. Daniel Day-Lewis for Phantom

1:23:451:23:52

Thread which is the last film he

will make.

He has said that before.

1:23:521:23:56

He has said that before. But the

other big film Three Billboards has

1:23:561:24:02

got nine nominations as well. This

is a dark comedy. Well, it made me

1:24:021:24:06

cry and it made me laugh because

it's about a mum that's basically

1:24:061:24:10

trying to get her local police to

take seriously the investigation

1:24:101:24:14

into the brutal death of her

daughter who was raped. So we can

1:24:141:24:17

take a little look at that now.

Hey

there, Mildred. You didn't happen to

1:24:171:24:24

pay a visit to the dentist today,

did you?

No. No.

Oh, so it wasn't

1:24:241:24:33

you who drilled a little hole in one

of big fat Jeffrey's big fat thumb

1:24:331:24:39

nails, no?

I said, of course not.

You drilled a hole in the dentist.

I

1:24:391:24:47

thought it was kind of funny myself,

but he wants to press charges so

1:24:471:24:51

we'll have to bring you in I'm

afraid.

Let's not forget this film

1:24:511:24:56

Three Billboards won four Golden

Globes. It is tipped to do well at

1:24:561:25:01

the Oscars. Clearly, it will do well

at the BAFTAs. The Post didn't get

1:25:011:25:08

many nomination. That's a huge pim.

That stars Tom Hanks and Meryl

1:25:081:25:14

Streep. The awards happen next month

with a new host, Joanna Lumley steps

1:25:141:25:24

in after Stephen Fry decided to step

aside. She is a feminist so I doubt

1:25:241:25:28

she'll let things slide.

Thank you.

1:25:281:25:33

Breaking news - Government sources

have told the BBC that International

1:25:331:25:36

Trade Minister Mark Garnier

is leaving government.

1:25:361:25:38

Our political guru Norman

Smith can tell us more.

1:25:381:25:40

Why?

I suspect he is part of the

demise of those who might be deemed

1:25:401:25:49

male, pale and stale. He is joined

by a host of other figures. John

1:25:491:25:54

Hayes is leaving as Transport

Minister, Philip Dunne as Health

1:25:541:25:58

Minister and Robert Goodwill as

Education Minister. What do they

1:25:581:26:00

have in common? Yes, they are all

men. Yes, they are all of, I think,

1:26:001:26:05

they are all late 50s and they have

all been around the block a few

1:26:051:26:10

times. John Hayes, he was made a

minister in 2010, and Philip Dunne

1:26:101:26:17

and Robert Goodwill, 2012 and they

have done their time. This is part

1:26:171:26:19

of what was being briefed yesterday

for day two of the reshuffle, the

1:26:191:26:24

clear out of the old men and making

space for more women, more new MPs,

1:26:241:26:31

more younger MPs, more Tory MPs from

ethnic minorities which is part of

1:26:311:26:36

what Team May hopes will be a sort

of different face of the

1:26:361:26:41

Conservative Government to the

public and a more modern and more

1:26:411:26:45

diverse face. So we are now seeing

the departure the pale, male, stale

1:26:451:26:49

ministers who have been around for a

while and are now, it seems, being

1:26:491:26:53

cleared out.

Yes. In terms of Mark

Garnier he was cleared, wasn't he,

1:26:531:27:00

by a Cabinet Office inquiry of

breaking the Ministerial Code after

1:27:001:27:04

asking his PA to buy sex toys, I

think it was?

That's right. He was

1:27:041:27:07

at the centre of a lot of the furore

just at the back end of the last

1:27:071:27:13

year over the sexual harassment

claims and claims of inappropriate

1:27:131:27:16

behaviour in Parliament. You're

correct, he was cleared, of the

1:27:161:27:21

Ministerial Code, but there may have

been a view not only was he of a

1:27:211:27:24

certain age and he was white and

male, but with the allegations, even

1:27:241:27:27

though they had been put to one

side, nevertheless, it was best to

1:27:271:27:32

move him along and bring someone

else in. I guess what will be

1:27:321:27:37

interesting is sort of the shape of

the new people being brought in. How

1:27:371:27:44

far the Government is able to bring

in new MPs from particularly the

1:27:441:27:49

2015 and 2017 intake, many of whom

were sitting, fidgeting gnashed I

1:27:491:27:53

think that they weren't getting a

chance to shine and there was

1:27:531:27:58

Parliamentary bed-blockers who had

been in the ministerial posts for a

1:27:581:28:01

long, long time and they couldn't

get their chance. So, now, we will

1:28:011:28:04

see whether Mrs May is going to give

an opportunity, an opening, to these

1:28:041:28:08

newer, younger Tory MPs.

Cheers, Norman.

1:28:081:28:13

Theresa May's reshuffle

will continue later today

1:28:131:28:18

with junior ministerial

appointments.

1:28:181:28:19

She'll no doubt be hoping it goes

more smoothly than

1:28:191:28:22

yesterday's

ultimately limited reshuffle.

1:28:221:28:22

Billed as an opportunity to better

reflect modern Britain,

1:28:221:28:25

in the end the only new woman to be

announced was Esther McVey

1:28:251:28:28

as Secretary of State

for Work and Pensions.

1:28:281:28:30

Her appointment is likely

to be controversal,

1:28:301:28:31

because of previous comments

she made as a minister

1:28:311:28:33

in the same department serving

in David Cameron's department.

1:28:331:28:36

So who is she?

1:28:361:28:41

Esther McVey started her career

as a TV presenter on GMTV.

1:28:411:28:44

We all have dreams, whether it about

success in your careers or improving

1:28:441:28:49

our relationships with family and

friends or sorting out our finances.

1:28:491:28:52

Whatever success means to you, we're

going to show you, how you can

1:28:521:28:55

change your dream into reality.

Plenty of people have, so why

1:28:551:28:59

shouldn't you? But what I really

want to know, what does it feel like

1:28:591:29:03

when you've achieved your goal?

Originally an American concept,

1:29:031:29:07

business and sports people have been

using personal development

1:29:071:29:10

techniques for years.

These professionals don't spend

1:29:101:29:13

money on things they don't think are

going to work. And now the same

1:29:131:29:18

techniques are available to all of

us.

1:29:181:29:22

She first became a Conservative MP

in 2010 but lost her seat in 2015.

1:29:221:29:26

Whilst a minister in the Department

for Work and Pensions,

1:29:261:29:29

she defended the rise in figures

of people using foodbanks.

1:29:291:29:36

More people are visiting which you'd

expect going to foodbanks because as

1:29:361:29:39

the time is tough, no, no, no, as

time is tough, as we're all having

1:29:391:29:44

to pay back this £1.5 trillion debt

personally, which spiralled under

1:29:441:29:51

Labour, as we're all trying to live

within our means, change the gear,

1:29:511:29:56

make sure we're paying back all our

debt which happened under them.

1:29:561:30:04

Robert Halfon is MP for Harlow

1:30:041:30:06

and chair of the Education

Select Committee.

1:30:061:30:08

I've been getting his reaction

to Esther McVey's appointment,

1:30:081:30:10

as well as the reshuffle

more generally.

1:30:101:30:12

The choreography wasn't perfect

yesterday, but there are good men

1:30:121:30:16

and women in post, great new party

chairman and deputy, Essex men and

1:30:161:30:23

women, I call it, running senior

parts of the Conservative Party.

1:30:231:30:28

Real white van conservatism, if you

like. There are good people in the

1:30:281:30:33

Cabinet, Damian Hinds, the new

Education Secretary, very

1:30:331:30:37

compassionate Conservative, believes

in social justice and the public

1:30:371:30:40

sector. I am pleased, actually, that

Jeremy Hunt is still imposed,

1:30:401:30:44

because the NHS is one of the

toughest jobs in government, huge

1:30:441:30:50

long-term problems. I am pleased

that Sajid Javid is there. So what

1:30:501:30:53

counts at the end of the day is not

the choreography, but have we got

1:30:531:30:57

good men and women running the

country?

You must be disappointed

1:30:571:31:01

that Justine Greening, the first

comprehensively educated Education

1:31:011:31:04

Secretary has resigned.

I was

apprentice minister until after the

1:31:041:31:13

election, and I worked with Justine

Greening, and she cared deeply about

1:31:131:31:18

apprenticeships and skills, but

Damian Green also comes from a

1:31:181:31:22

working-class background...

Damian

Hinds.

I beg your pardon, Damian

1:31:221:31:27

Hinds, very compassionate, he cares

deeply about the public sector, I

1:31:271:31:31

have known him for a long time,

quite a wise man, so whatever the

1:31:311:31:35

reasons that Justine Greening has

gone, way beyond my pay grade, at

1:31:351:31:38

least there is a very good

replacement in the shape of Damian

1:31:381:31:42

Hinds.

I want to ask you finally, if

I may, about the new Work and

1:31:421:31:49

Pensions Secretary, Esther McVey, a

former disabilities minister under

1:31:491:31:51

David Cameron's government, severely

criticised by many people with

1:31:511:31:57

disabilities, many charities that

represent people with disabilities,

1:31:571:32:02

for her implementation of personal

independence payments and trying to

1:32:021:32:06

get many people off previous

disability living allowance.

Well,

1:32:061:32:10

the important thing is that when she

was disabilities Minister, we were

1:32:101:32:15

spending roughly 50 billion a year

on disability benefits, amongst the

1:32:151:32:20

highest in the developed world,

possibly the most highest amount of

1:32:201:32:22

money. That money has continued. I

think that the Government have

1:32:221:32:27

learned a lot from what happened

with the payments and employment

1:32:271:32:34

support allowance issues. From what

I understand, there will be no more

1:32:341:32:38

cuts or changes to disability

benefits, and I wish well in that

1:32:381:32:42

post.

Is she a compassionate,?

I

believe she is, she is also from a

1:32:421:32:48

working-class background, from the

North of England, and I think she

1:32:481:32:52

will do the best that she possibly

can for the country.

1:32:521:33:04

As minister in charge

of disabilites,

1:33:091:33:10

she oversaw the introduction

of personal independence payments,

1:33:101:33:12

which replaced disabilty

living allowance,

1:33:121:33:13

and the closure of Remploy

plants for disabled workers.

1:33:131:33:15

Labour's Shadow Chancellor, John

McDonnell, was widely criticised

1:33:151:33:17

for calling her a "stain on

humanity" during a Commons debate.

1:33:171:33:20

Esther McVey lost her seat

not long after those comments

1:33:201:33:22

were made in the 2015

general election

1:33:221:33:24

but returned to Parliament,

in former Chancellor

1:33:241:33:26

George Osborne's old seat

of Tatton, last May.

1:33:261:33:28

Esther McVey, who's previously

admitted she'd like

1:33:281:33:29

to be Prime Minister, is seen

by colleagues as quick-witted

1:33:291:33:32

and more human than some MPs.

1:33:321:33:37

She's previously been involved

in a campaign #notjustforboys,

1:33:371:33:39

aimed at helping women to succeed

in male-dominated areas.

1:33:391:33:48

Barry Sheerman was criticised in

2015 for calling her a hard-hearted

1:33:481:33:54

during the debate in the Commons.

Former Pensions Minister and

1:33:541:33:57

director of policy... I'm sorry, I

can't read that!

1:33:571:34:07

Sirs Steven web worked with Esther

McVey. And Simon Crean has a

1:34:071:34:13

neurological condition that affects

his legs, he has used a wheelchair

1:34:131:34:16

since 2003, also a charity

campaigner. Welcome, all of you. I

1:34:161:34:23

think you repeated your comment

yesterday, why?

It summed her up,

1:34:231:34:31

she was, you know, the number two to

Iain Duncan Smith, and we all knew

1:34:311:34:36

in the House, and I was chair of the

education committee, Robert Halfon's

1:34:361:34:42

role, and she looked at the welfare

state is, you know, seemed to have

1:34:421:34:46

the view that it was all about

scroungers and her job was to

1:34:461:34:50

deliver that hard message. You know,

she revelled in that role of being

1:34:501:34:54

the hard person on the front bench.

How do you know she revelled in it?

1:34:541:35:00

Because I was in every question time

where she absolutely glowed when she

1:35:001:35:05

was delivering the hard message, you

know, that, you know, the people at

1:35:051:35:10

there, you know, most of whom she

thought was scroungers were going to

1:35:101:35:14

have the hard message that their

benefits were being taken away from

1:35:141:35:17

them, and I think it is summed up

yesterday, we lose Justine Greening,

1:35:171:35:22

one of the more most humane, Liberal

ministers in the Government,

1:35:221:35:29

replaced by this woman, who has this

reputation for being a hard-hearted

1:35:291:35:33

Hannah, and she will be in charge of

universal credit, that is impacting

1:35:331:35:37

on so many lives up and down the

country.

You are the former Pensions

1:35:371:35:46

Minister, Sir Steve Webb, how did

you find working alongside Esther

1:35:461:35:49

McVey?

On a personal level, I don't

recognise the description that you

1:35:491:35:53

have just heard. I have never heard

her use the word scrounger in public

1:35:531:35:58

or private, and I don't think Barry

Sheerman has either. I would be

1:35:581:36:02

interested to know when he has ever

heard her say it. I was a member of

1:36:021:36:07

the coalition government when we

were trying to find savings, and it

1:36:071:36:09

was a difficult time, fronting that

up, and Esther McVey was someone

1:36:091:36:15

who, I think, particularly as a

woman in politics, in brutal

1:36:151:36:19

politics, was picked on. Some much

worse things than you have just

1:36:191:36:22

quoted, which I cannot repeat on the

BBC, which said against, she was

1:36:221:36:28

personally vilified, and although I

am not involved in politics anymore,

1:36:281:36:32

I think that, actually, she is a

humane person, the sort of person

1:36:321:36:35

you want involved in these issues.

Simon Greene, as a disability

1:36:351:36:42

campaigner, it was one of her

responsibilities to oversee the

1:36:421:36:48

introduction of PIP, which took over

from DLA. She was not in charge of

1:36:481:36:53

the department then, it was Iain

Duncan Smith, but how would you

1:36:531:36:55

regard her and her promotion now?

When I saw on social media that the

1:36:551:37:02

role she got was work and pensions,

I thought it was a joke. She is one

1:37:021:37:07

of the most disliked politicians in

the disabled community, completely

1:37:071:37:11

clueless about how disabled people

live and... The policies that the

1:37:111:37:17

Conservative Party brought in over

the last few years have destroyed

1:37:171:37:19

the lives of many disabled people,

Norman Tebbit said in an interview

1:37:191:37:23

on Newsnight that when you are

disabled, everything takes longer

1:37:231:37:27

and everything costs more, talking

about the impact that the IRA bomb

1:37:271:37:32

had on his wife, yet they continue

to remove DLA or PIP from thousands

1:37:321:37:38

of disabled people, and Esther McVey

made the comment that three times as

1:37:381:37:41

many people are on it as when it was

first introduced, through the

1:37:411:37:48

wonders of modern medicine, more

disabled people are surviving

1:37:481:37:51

injuries, more disabled people are

being born who would have died 20

1:37:511:37:54

years ago, they are now surviving,

so we will have more disabled

1:37:541:37:58

people, they will need to claim PIP

and DLA. I am seeing a real impact

1:37:581:38:04

that these forms have had, people

who have had it removed, they have

1:38:041:38:10

lost their jobs, people have been

suicidal...

Do you accept that one

1:38:101:38:14

of the impact of the personal

independence payments has been that

1:38:141:38:17

more people have moved into work and

remained in work?

I don't know where

1:38:171:38:23

the Conservatives get that from, I

disagree with that. Everybody I

1:38:231:38:28

speak to, once you have jobs are in

jobs they don't feel they can do,

1:38:281:38:31

they have been forced into those

jobs, and then they struggle on a

1:38:311:38:36

daily basis in that working

environment. And I think a lot of

1:38:361:38:39

the time I don't think people are in

jobs, they have been moved from JSA

1:38:391:38:44

and back and forth, and they are

doing voluntary jobs. I know someone

1:38:441:38:50

working in a charity shop, they are

not being paid for that work, but

1:38:501:38:53

according to the statistics they

would class as working. I know

1:38:531:38:58

people who have lost their jobs

under the Government, and the amount

1:38:581:39:02

of money that has been wasted on the

by far outstrips the amount of money

1:39:021:39:06

that has been by taking all these

people off benefits. The fact that

1:39:061:39:11

they have employed Esther McVey, who

has made lots of... The gentleman

1:39:111:39:15

who spoke before, some of the things

said against have been wrong and too

1:39:151:39:23

personal, but what about the tens of

thousands of disabled people who

1:39:231:39:26

have been picked on by her and Iain

Duncan Smith and the rest of this

1:39:261:39:30

clueless Tory government who do not

know how way real person lives? I do

1:39:301:39:35

not think they care about the

disabled community, I am disgusted

1:39:351:39:38

she has been given this position,

and I hope she doesn't last long, I

1:39:381:39:42

don't think there is a single

disabled person in this country who

1:39:421:39:45

would say she is a good choice for

the job.

We did ask for some

1:39:451:39:50

Conservative MPs to come on the

programme, Sir Steve Webb is the

1:39:501:39:53

former Pensions Minister, what would

you say to Simon Crean?

One of the

1:39:531:39:58

things to remember is the drive that

the Treasury has in this, if it is

1:39:581:40:07

cutting the budget, you can simply

say no and walk away or try to work

1:40:071:40:11

within, and I think that is what

Esther McVey did, so in other words,

1:40:111:40:17

yes, anyone could resign if you felt

it was going to stop things

1:40:171:40:20

happening, or you can be within the

system trying to moderate it, and

1:40:201:40:25

you mention the positive work she

did on young women trying to give

1:40:251:40:27

them positive role models, and I

think the caricature, you know, it

1:40:271:40:32

is up to Esther McVey to defend

herself and what she said, but my

1:40:321:40:36

experience of her is someone who

listens and is a good person in that

1:40:361:40:41

role. My big concern is that we keep

changing the ministers all the time,

1:40:411:40:46

David Gauke, her predecessor, was

only there for seven months, it is a

1:40:461:40:53

complicated department responsible

for pensions, disability benefits

1:40:531:40:55

and employment and so on, and having

someone who has been in the

1:40:551:40:59

department before will help get her

up to speed.

Thank you all, thank

1:40:591:41:03

you very much for coming on the

programme, Sir Steve Webb, former

1:41:031:41:07

member of the coalition government,

Barry Sheerman, Labour MP, thank

1:41:071:41:12

you, and Simon Greene, disability

campaigner, thank you very much.

1:41:121:41:20

Charities in Calais

have told this programme

1:41:201:41:22

around 700 migrants are living rough

in the area again trying

1:41:221:41:24

to make their way over to the UK.

1:41:241:41:26

It's just over a year

since the so-called

1:41:261:41:28

Jungle camp was destroyed.

1:41:281:41:30

But now French police say they're

clearing tents and blankets daily

1:41:301:41:35

to stop a camp re-forming there.

1:41:351:41:37

Charities say awful living

conditions mean people

1:41:371:41:39

are taking massive risks.

1:41:391:41:40

They claim a 15-year-old boy

was killed over the Christmas break

1:41:401:41:43

trying to jump on a truck

to reach his brother here in the UK.

1:41:431:41:47

Our reporter Catrin Nye

has just returned from Calais.

1:41:471:41:50

We bought you her full report

earlier, here's a short extract.

1:41:501:41:55

So this is where you sleep?

1:41:551:41:57

This is...

1:41:571:41:58

Yeah.

1:41:581:42:00

Our roof is...

1:42:001:42:04

Standing because of these trees.

1:42:041:42:07

Ikram is 18 and from Nangarhar,

one of Afghanistan's

1:42:071:42:09

most dangerous regions.

1:42:091:42:11

He's been in Calais a week.

1:42:111:42:12

It must be so cold?

It is.

1:42:121:42:17

And, you know, how does it feel

when it is cold and you are wet?

1:42:171:42:20

Like, your clothes,

everything is wet.

1:42:201:42:22

How long do you think

you can live like this?

1:42:221:42:25

Three months, four months.

I hope I don't...

1:42:251:42:29

I just don't get sick.

Because I don't want to leave.

1:42:291:42:35

In October 2016, French authorities

cleared the camp here,

1:42:351:42:38

known as the Jungle.

1:42:381:42:42

But people have kept coming, finding

new places to set up temporary home.

1:42:421:42:48

So now the Jungle's gone,

thousands of people every night

1:42:481:42:52

sleeping between these massive

amounts of industrial waste,

1:42:521:42:56

right in the middle of Calais.

1:42:561:43:00

Charities estimate that

up to 700 people are here now,

1:43:001:43:03

many again pitching tents

in the woods for shelter.

1:43:031:43:07

But the police are constantly

pulling these down

1:43:071:43:09

because they don't want

new camps here.

1:43:091:43:13

The vast majority here are men

from four countries -

1:43:131:43:16

Afghanistan, Sudan,

Eritrea and Ethiopia.

1:43:161:43:18

So we've just noticed

some police over here,

1:43:181:43:23

taking people's possessions

out of the woods.

1:43:231:43:26

So we're going to speak to them.

1:43:261:43:29

Look, you will return?

1:43:371:43:39

OK.

1:43:391:43:40

It's forbidden for you to stay here.

1:43:401:43:41

OK, thank you.

1:43:411:43:43

OK, thank you.

1:43:431:43:47

How often, Annie, do they clear

people's possessions here?

1:43:471:43:50

There is one clearance

every day, normally.

1:43:501:43:55

We've had so many reports

of the police

1:43:551:43:58

spraying with tear gas,

tents, sleeping bags, blankets.

1:43:581:43:59

And people themselves.

1:43:591:44:01

People have been woken up

by just being sprayed in the face.

1:44:011:44:04

And that is not a legitimate

use of tear gas.

1:44:041:44:07

It's an excessive use of force.

1:44:071:44:10

Police in Calais responded to this,

1:44:101:44:12

saying they act in accordance

with the rule of law.

1:44:121:44:16

All day and all night here,

1:44:161:44:19

people still wait for an opportunity

to jump on a passing truck.

1:44:191:44:23

So unfortunately last month

two refugees died at the border.

1:44:231:44:27

One of them was a 15-year-old boy.

1:44:271:44:30

And one person

is still in critical condition

1:44:301:44:33

after being severely injured.

1:44:331:44:37

What we really want is just

basic provisions allowing people

1:44:371:44:40

to survive, and then for their cases

to be fairly assessed

1:44:401:44:43

while they are here.

1:44:431:44:48

We're going to get the truck

driver's perspective now,

1:44:481:44:51

as well as the perspective of

those who try illegally to get

1:44:511:44:54

on the back of a lorry or under

a lorry to get to Britain.

1:44:541:44:57

Farid Saleh is a refugee

1:44:571:44:59

who hid on a lorry in Calais

to get to the UK.

1:44:591:45:03

Richard Burnett is from

the Road Haulage Association.

1:45:031:45:05

Toby Ovens works

for a haulage company.

1:45:051:45:07

Philippa Boyle's from

the charity Help Refugees.

1:45:071:45:17

The camp is closed, but clearly

hundreds of migrants are now back

1:45:171:45:20

there. What impact is that having on

drivers?

It's having a dramatic

1:45:201:45:25

impact on drivers and I think before

we talk about that impact it is fair

1:45:251:45:29

to say that the camp was closed in

October of last year.

2016 actually?

1:45:291:45:34

Yes, sorry 2016. It is over, it will

well over a year since it closed,

1:45:341:45:40

but it might have dropped out of

gaze of the media, but it certainly

1:45:401:45:43

hasn't stopped and even since that

point, drivers have been continually

1:45:431:45:48

attacked on a daily basis over that

intervening period and you know what

1:45:481:45:55

we are still seeing, we are seeing

attacks by traffickers who are,

1:45:551:46:00

their modus operandi is to throw

bricks, stones and put concrete

1:46:001:46:05

boulders in the road and lie in the

road to effectively stop drivers in

1:46:051:46:10

order to create a queue and to jump

on vehicles. So, you know, we're

1:46:101:46:15

still, as an industry, we're still

facing these issues, this issue has

1:46:151:46:19

not gone away.

How many attacks on

drivers, or hauliers were there in

1:46:191:46:23

the month of December say?

It's

difficult to actually quantify and

1:46:231:46:28

put a number on it. We set-up a

helpline so we could get information

1:46:281:46:31

on aldaily basis. So, you know, for

those that are reporting it, we are

1:46:311:46:36

getting daily reports of probably,

you know, five, six attacks. We know

1:46:361:46:39

the number are far higher than that.

And the attempts to get on vehicles

1:46:391:46:44

are far higher than that on a daily

basis as well.

OK. I want you to

1:46:441:46:51

talk about the risks you were

prepared to take when you lived in

1:46:511:46:54

the camp for a month or so in order

to get to Britain?

Well, to start

1:46:541:47:02

off with, there was the pressure

from the police every morning waking

1:47:021:47:05

us up from our tents to relocate us.

For example, we would make ourselves

1:47:051:47:13

to the local charity way, on the

way, there would be October

1:47:131:47:16

stickicals, they would come with

their sticks and say, "You can't go

1:47:161:47:19

this way, you have to go another

way." ." The police were after us

1:47:191:47:25

every morning. We couldn't sleep

properly. It wasn't a great place to

1:47:251:47:30

live, will you the police were

pushing us to relocate and the

1:47:301:47:36

pressure from them was overwhelming

for us.

In terms of the risks you

1:47:361:47:39

were prepared to take to get to

blind that involved at one point...

1:47:391:47:43

Climbing under a lorry?

Yeah, it

did. Coming from Afghanistan, the

1:47:431:47:49

difficulties we had faced is, the

risk that is here is much better

1:47:491:47:53

than the risk to stay in

Afghanistan. So there was a lot of

1:47:531:47:56

risk involved.

And you were 13 at

the time?

Yes, I was.

How did you

1:47:561:48:02

hang on to that lorry or were you

able to get inside?

There was an

1:48:021:48:07

extra tyre and I stayed on top of

the tyre. It was risky and the, you

1:48:071:48:13

just have to go through the tyre and

just sit on the tyre. It was really

1:48:131:48:17

risky.

And did you see other

migrants, other traffickers,

1:48:171:48:24

potentially, threatening drivers,

attacking drivers?

I didn't see

1:48:241:48:28

anything like that, but I heard

stories that it does happen. The

1:48:281:48:33

traffickers are doing anything to

keep their territory under their

1:48:331:48:37

control, yeah.

Right. One thing that

our audience always asks is why did

1:48:371:48:41

you want to come to Britain, to

leave Afghanistan, as a 13-year-old

1:48:411:48:45

boy and make your way through

however many countries to get to

1:48:451:48:48

Calais in order to get to the UK

ultimately, why Britain?

Because

1:48:481:48:53

Britain, we believe in a system that

is there for refugees and asylum

1:48:531:48:57

seekers. I personally didn't believe

in the system that is in France and

1:48:571:49:03

or in other countries I passed

through. I believed the system in

1:49:031:49:07

the UK, according to, from my

prospective was safe and we would

1:49:071:49:11

get justice we need.

OK, that's

interesting. Philippa Boyle. Tell us

1:49:111:49:18

about the 15-year-old boy who say

was killed in Calais over the

1:49:181:49:22

Christmas period?

Yes, that boy is

actually one of five minors so

1:49:221:49:28

people under the age of 18 who have

been killed trying to get to the UK

1:49:281:49:34

in two-and-a-half years who have

family members in the UK. So, many,

1:49:341:49:38

many more have been killed besides

having been forced to take those

1:49:381:49:42

risks because there are no obvious,

clear legal routes available for em.

1:49:421:49:48

Do you know what happened in the

circumstances here?

He was killed by

1:49:481:49:52

a truck, yes.

He was run over or he

was underneath or...

He was run

1:49:521:49:56

over.

Right. In terms of what should

be done, suppose responsibility is

1:49:561:50:05

it?

I any terms of the children, in

terms of these unaccompanied minors

1:50:051:50:11

who have family members in the UK or

we have got a ten-year-old boy who

1:50:111:50:15

is sleeping in Calais, sleeping

under an emergency blanket, it's

1:50:151:50:19

really clear that there is an

obligation from our government, a

1:50:191:50:22

legal obligation under both the Dubs

Amendment for unaccompanied children

1:50:221:50:26

without family members in the UK and

under Dublin three for people with

1:50:261:50:32

family members living here to bring

children to safety.

Is that

1:50:321:50:36

ten-year-old with his family?

No, he

is unaccompanied.

How has he got to

1:50:361:50:41

Calais and from where?

He has come

from Iraq and he will have come, you

1:50:411:50:45

know, with in the company of

different traffickers, different

1:50:451:50:50

adults, people will take him under

their wing, but ultimately, it's up

1:50:501:50:54

to the governments to be doing more

to protect these children.

British

1:50:541:50:57

Government? And the French.

The

British and the French Government.

1:50:571:51:04

James e-mails, "I worked as a

volunteer in Calais for six months.

1:51:041:51:10

It makes me sick hearing people talk

about our country being full. They

1:51:101:51:17

don't have a clue about the

suffering people are escaping. At

1:51:171:51:22

the height, there was 10,000 people

in the country. We can take that

1:51:221:51:26

number of people. Those talking

about looking after our own is a

1:51:261:51:29

reason not to show people basic

humanity are on the wrong side of

1:51:291:51:34

history." Lesley e-mailed, "Of been

watching your programme. I would

1:51:341:51:38

very much like to help the young man

in the film who gave an eloquent and

1:51:381:51:44

heartfelt interview. If I can help

one person, it will be a beginning."

1:51:441:51:50

Colin says, "What we need to

understand is why they feel taking

1:51:501:51:54

the risk of coming to the UK is

worth it. Clearly, they think that

1:51:541:51:58

the UK will treat them better than

Europe. ." Which what you have just

1:51:581:52:02

told us. I wonder Richard, what you

think ought to be done.

This is a

1:52:021:52:08

humanitarian issue and it's one

where I don't think the British

1:52:081:52:11

Government or the French Government

are doing enough. It's also a

1:52:111:52:16

humanitarian issue for the drivers

that are facing violence on a daily

1:52:161:52:20

basis. They didn't sign up, you

know, to face this kind of

1:52:201:52:24

intimidation and violence. So I

think, both the British Government,

1:52:241:52:28

needs to be influencing the French

Government. The British Government

1:52:281:52:33

is like a revolving door nerms it of

the immigration ministers and the

1:52:331:52:37

number of ministers we have gone

through over the last two or three

1:52:371:52:40

years, it is difficult to get

relationships built and it is

1:52:401:52:43

difficult to influence and difficult

to make the changes. I think from a

1:52:431:52:47

French prospective, you know, we've

also got the French Government and a

1:52:471:52:52

disconnect with Macron and his view

and in terms of how he wants to

1:52:521:52:56

approach things. From my

prospective, there is intelligence

1:52:561:52:59

and evidence that is suggesting that

the heartbeat monitors are being

1:52:591:53:03

switched off at the French border so

almost allowing migrants to pass

1:53:031:53:09

through so, I don't think there is a

will.

What would be the motivation

1:53:091:53:14

for that because it is easier?

Because it is easier and they don't

1:53:141:53:17

want to deal with the issue. They

need to process the migrants

1:53:171:53:21

quicker.

There is no place for

people to claim asylum in Calais.

1:53:211:53:29

People who are willing and ready to

claim asylum in France, there is no

1:53:291:53:33

easy way to do that and when you do,

you still have to wait, you are

1:53:331:53:37

homeless for three to six months or

even more while you are waiting for

1:53:371:53:40

your case to be processed.

OK. Thank

you very much. Thank you for coming

1:53:401:53:44

on the programme. Thank you.

1:53:441:53:49

North Korea is to send a delegation

to the 2018 Winter Olympic Games,

1:53:491:53:52

taking place in South Korea

in February, officials

1:53:521:53:54

from the South have announced.

1:53:541:53:56

The breakthrough came

as the countries met for their first

1:53:561:53:59

high-level talks in more

than two years.

1:53:591:54:00

The delegation will include

athletes, officials and supporters.

1:54:001:54:05

Let's talk to Jihyun Park,

who fled from north Korea in 2004,

1:54:051:54:07

but hasn't been able to speak

to her family that remain

1:54:071:54:10

in the country.

1:54:101:54:16

Jieun Baek who has written

about the conditions

1:54:161:54:18

for the citizens of North Korea.

1:54:181:54:20

Her parents fled the country

during the Korean War.

1:54:201:54:23

Christopher Green is from

the International Crisis Group,

1:54:231:54:25

an organisation that was set up

to prevent conflicts.

1:54:251:54:35

Jieun Baek, what is your reaction?

It is cautious sin is a nism. We

1:54:441:54:54

have seen time and time again North

Korea proposing high level talks at

1:54:541:54:58

a time of high tensions and they

have put on their peace offensive

1:54:581:55:04

and charm offensive. I hope I'm

wrong That is not going to be a

1:55:041:55:09

repeat event. But I am surprised at

the timing, but I am also not

1:55:091:55:17

surprised, they are brilliant

diplomatic plays in trying to

1:55:171:55:25

impress the world with their

supposed normal image of themselves

1:55:251:55:29

as a normal country.

You have talk

on our programme before about how

1:55:291:55:37

you defected. You will know that

South Korea have proposed holding

1:55:371:55:41

family reunions during the Winter

Olympics for people separated, is

1:55:411:55:45

that something that you might pursue

in order to try to meet your family

1:55:451:55:49

who are still back there?

Yes, I

know that the meeting is important

1:55:491:55:57

to south and North Korea and they

talked about separate family issues,

1:55:571:56:04

but that is family issues. It is

human issues, but always North Korea

1:56:041:56:10

think about politics. Many North

Koreans, many Korean families

1:56:101:56:19

separated in the north and south,

but the meeting time is not, it is

1:56:191:56:30

peaceful, and this meeting because

it is North Korea always think about

1:56:301:56:38

this meeting was political issues.

A

week ago, North Korea were

1:56:381:56:42

threatening nuclear war. Now we have

got this delegation going to the

1:56:421:56:47

winter Games in south next month,

how do you react to it?

I welcome

1:56:471:56:50

it. There are plenty of humanitarian

concerns that can be dealt with

1:56:501:56:53

through this period of talks. I

share the sane sism voiced earlier

1:56:531:57:00

about North Korean motivations, but

South Korea have their own

1:57:001:57:05

motivations too.

What would be their

interests? Explain to our audience?

1:57:051:57:09

Well, they have got an interest in

reducing military tensions between

1:57:091:57:13

the two countries which is good for

the South Korean economy and good

1:57:131:57:18

for the South Korean people. They

want to achieve the separated family

1:57:181:57:22

reunions. So they have those goals

and hopefully it is one way to get

1:57:221:57:26

there.

OK. Well, we will see what

happens. I wonder, Jieun Baek, you

1:57:261:57:36

talked about your sin is a nism,

what would be an ideal scenario?

It

1:57:361:57:46

would be a complete equalisation of

the country. That's ideal. I think

1:57:461:57:52

more practically speaking a

verifiable escalation of tension --

1:57:521:57:57

de-escalation of tensions on the

peninsula would be a positive

1:57:571:58:02

achievement from these talks.

Thank

you very much. I'm soary, we

1:58:021:58:05

couldn't give you more time. Thank

you very much for your time.

1:58:051:58:11

On the programme tomorrow -

we look at new stronger strains

1:58:111:58:13

of the drug Spice and the impact

it's having on towns

1:58:131:58:16

and cities across the UK.

1:58:161:58:17

Thank you for watching today and for

getting in touch. We're back

1:58:171:58:20

tomorrow at 9am. Have a good day.

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