09/01/2018 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Tuesday,

it's nine o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

Our top story today -

journalist Toby Young has resigned

from the universties

watchdog, after widespread

criticism of crude and offensive

remarks he'd made in the past

about women's breasts,

people in poverty,

and people with disabilities

When you hear those kind of things

from people who know nothing about

this, you entertain, and if I'm

honest with you, horrible thoughts

about the people making those

comments.

So Toby Young is a bad,?

Well, the things he has written have

been bad.

Could Toby Young have

continued in his role?

Letters know your own view.

Also on the programme -

around 700 migrants are living rough

in Calais again trying

to make their way over to the UK,

a year after the so-called

Jungle camp was destroyed.

This place will never leave me.

No-one can stop this.

We'll get reaction from

truckers and migrants.

If you're a lorry driver

and regularly drive through Calais,

really keen to hear

from you this morning.

And a UK wide ban on products like

these containing microbeads comes

into force today, but campaigners

say it does not go far enough, we

will find out why.

Hi, welcome to the programme, we

live until 11 bring you the latest

breaking news and developing

stories. He may well hold her first

Cabinet meeting since the reshuffle

that was not that much a reshuffle.

-- Theresa May will hold. We will

profile the new Work and Pensions

Secretary, Esther McVey, whose

appointment has been met with some

surprise, if not criticism. Get in

touch on the stories we are talking

about today.

Our top story today -

journalist Toby Young has resigned

from the board of the Office for

Students after more than 200,000

people signed a petition

calling for him to go.

In an article in the Spectator,

he says his appointment

had become a distraction

from the board's vital work

of broadening access

to higher education.

It follows accusations that he had

made offensive comments on Twitter.

In an interview with Andrew Marr

on Sunday,

Theresa May appeared

to back Mr Young,

saying he had done "exceedingly good

work in relation to free schools."

Norman is at Westminster, why has he

resigned now, especially with

Theresa May backing him?

I think he

could see that this was not going to

go away. Only yesterday, the

Government was full to make a

statement in the Commons defending

Toby Young and really just listening

to MPs, it wasn't just opposition

MPs, senior Conservatives were

deeply unhappy at his appointment

because of the sort of signals it

sent out, the sort of things he had

written. It was argued, he just

could not hold a prominent public

post having said those sort of

things, and it was argued that if a

head teacher or a vice Chancellor

had made similar remarks about women

or people with disabilities, then

they would have been sacked. I mean,

just to be clear, in some of his

articles, he had argued in favour of

so-called progressive eugenics,

genetic selection to improve the IQ

amongst poorer working-class people,

he had attacked the provision of

wheelchair ramps in schools, he had

repeatedly commented about women's

breasts, and you know, there was a

mounting hue and cry over his

appointment. What has made it more

political and given an edge to it,

particularly in the current

reshuffle climate is the fact that

as you say, Mrs May, only on Sunday,

was standing by Toby Young, saying

that although she had not been told

about his comments in the past, she

accepted that she was not impressed

by them, but by and large, provided

he didn't say them again, he could

carry on, have a listen to what she

said on the Andrew Marr programme.

First of all, Toby Young has done

exceedingly good work

in relation to free schools,

and that's what led

to him being appointed

to the Office for Students.

When he was appointed,

I was not aware of these

comments that he had made.

Frankly, I'm not at all impressed

by those comments.

He is now in public office and,

as far as I'm concerned,

if he was to continue to use that

sort of language and talk

in that sort of way,

he would no longer be

in public office.

So for the time being, he's

apologised and from your point of

view, that's enough,

he can carry on?

He's apologised.

But, as I say, if he continues

to talk and use this sort

of language, then he will no longer

be in public office.

Norman, this is what the audience

are saying - John has said,

everybody has cupboards containing

skeletons, just a case that someone

knows about their existence and

decides to use them to their own

advantage, whatever happened...

Fiona on Facebook points out, Toby

Young's eugenics I was published in

2015, long after he got involved in

education, so his apology may mean

that he thinks it is not as bad as

his shocking misogyny and

homophobia. The point being that if

he had carried on, you would never

have been able to get away from the

things he has written in the past.

I

suspect he came to that conclusion

himself, and although he describes

himself this morning as a

journalistic provocateur, I don't

think that in any way was going to

satisfy his critics or meet some of

the concerns about his appointment.

And, in a way, the questions now

are, why did Mrs May cut him that

slack at the weekend? Why didn't she

take on board the concerns, look at

the way the wind was blowing and

say, I'm afraid, in the

circumstances, no, he cannot take up

the post? As it is, she finds

herself under attack for not sacking

him, as does the Foreign Secretary,

Boris Johnson, because when he was

challenged about the appointment, he

went out of his way to say that he

thought he was an ideal candidate

for the job, that the criticism of

him was ridiculous. So there are

significant, it seems to me,

political ramifications from his

resignation.

Thank you very much,

Norman. We asked Toby Young for an

interview on the programme today, he

has texted back saying, sorry, not

doing any media on this. Later, an

interview with the chair of the

Education Select Committee, a

Conservative MP who has cerebral

palsy himself, and he tells us that

Toby Young's comments on people with

disabilities are horrible and

unacceptable and that what he has

written in the past is bad. Let's

bring you the rest of the morning's

news with Ben Brown.

The Education Secretary

Justine Greening has resigned

from the Government after refusing

a job as Work and Pensions Secretary

in Theresa May's Cabinet reshuffle.

It's also understood that

Jeremy Hunt was asked

to become Businesss Secretary,

but persuaded

the Prime Minister to keep him

at the Department of Health.

Theresa May is expected to make more

changes to her Cabinet later today.

Leila Nathoo reports.

Are you confident of

staying in Government?

After a day of few surprises, it was

Education Secretary Justine Greening

who threw the biggest

spanner in the works

of Theresa May's cautious plans,

emerging from Downing Street

having quit the Government, rather

than move to take charge of welfare,

as she was asked to do.

And it is understood

the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt,

who was also in line for a move,

this time to business,

successfully argued

to stay where he was.

A reshuffle designed to breathe

new life into the Government

did see a few switch jobs,

a handful promoted.

But there was no movement

in the top positions,

and the Cabinet make-up

is largely unchanged.

Though there was a shake-up

of staff in charge

of running the Conservative Party,

to try to broaden its appeal and

revive the Tory electoral machine.

Now, on day two of the reshuffle,

Theresa May's focus turns

to the junior ministerial roles.

Number Ten says the Prime Minister

will promote young talent

from the backbenches.

Downing Street is promising

the new ministerial team

will be more diverse,

with more women and MPs

from minority backgrounds,

so it better reflects the country.

The UK's equality watchdog

has said it will write to

the BBC about claims of unlawful pay

discrimination made by its former

China editor, Carrie Gracie.

The Equality and Human Rights

Commission says it will then decide

if further action is required.

Ms Gracie resigned after

she discovered a gap

between her salary and

that of her male counterparts.

North Korea has agreed to send

athletes accompanied by senior

officials to the Winter Olympics

in South Korea next month.

The two countries have held their

first talks for more than two years

in the demilitarised zone

that divides the peninsula.

The South Korean delegation

has also proposed more contacts

between the two countries

in what appears to be a significant

move to lower tension in the region.

A UK-wide ban on the manufacturing

of cosmetics and care products

containing microbeads has come

into force today, in an attempt

to cut down on the amount

of plastic in our oceans.

The beads that are used in hundreds

of face washes and shower gels

are often ingested by sea animals

and can even end up

entering our food chain.

It will be followed by a wider ban

on the sale of products containing

microbeads later in the year.

One of the world's oldest

silverback male gorillas

has died at Longleat Safari Park

in Wiltshire.

The Park said staff there

were "truly saddened"

at the death of 56-year-old Nico,

who passed away in his sleep

on Sunday.

It said Nico's main keeper had been

working with him since 1989

and the pair had forged

an extraordinarily close bond.

That's a summary of the latest

BBC News, more at 9:30.

We are going to be showing you a

film from Calais in a moment or two,

our reporter has been there,

reporting on the so-called Jungle

camp for a number of years for you.

We know it was destroyed in October

2016, but it would appear that there

are hundreds and hundreds of

migrants back there, and the French

police are trying to disperse them.

Damocles tweets to say, don't the

French care about people? Don't they

have a duty to help these poor

souls? We will show you her film in

just a few minutes.

Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning,

use #VictoriaLive.

If you are a lorry driver who

travels through Calais, we want your

experiences this morning.

Let's get some sport.

Sarah is here. How did the video

assistant referee at the Brighton

game go?

Not too badly, there was a

bit of debate late on, Brighton won

the game 2-1 against Crystal Palace,

they go through to the fourth round

of the FA Cup, but let's look at it,

the screen on the side of the pitch

that the referee can use. It is

already in use around Europe in

Italy and Germany, but this goal

late on from Glenn Murray, there was

some debate, look at this, as it

goes in, as to whether it was

handball. Now, the referee, Andre

Marriner, decided that there was

nothing to look into, he was happy

with the system. Some of the Palace

players were not, you can see them

surrounding him, but manager Roy

Hodgson said it was a genuine goal,

so I am sure the debate will rage

on.

The last time England lost

the Ashes down under,

there was a big overhaul

on and off the pitch.

What is going to happen this time?

Yes, as the dust settles, we have

found out that Trevor Bayliss will

step down, but not until the end of

the 2019 Ashes, when his contract

expires, and the news will not be a

shock to the England director of

cricket, Andrew Strauss. Bayliss

told of his plans a year ago but has

only just made it public, and after

the 4-0 defeat, he says that has

nothing to do with the decision. He

also vowed to start the job of

building a team able to win down

under. Member, the Australian came

into the job in 2015, started well

with a home Ashes win, but is

General Test results have been

mixed, losing 18, winning 15. -- his

general Test results. He also spoke

about the difficulties of dealing

with the off field issues on the

tour and said the penny had dropped

for the players.

Thank you very

much, more from Sarah throughout the

programme.

Charities in Calais have told

this programme around 700 migrants

are living rough in the area

again trying to make

their way over to the UK.

It's just over a year

since the so-called Jungle

camp was destroyed.

But now French police say they're

clearing tents and blankets daily

to stop a camp re-forming there.

Charities say awful living

conditions mean people

are taking massive risks.

They claim a 15-year-old boy

was killed over the Christmas break

trying to jump on a truck

to reach his brother here in the UK.

Our reporter Catrin Nye

has just returned from Calais.

Here's her report.

Calais is a darker place

than I've ever seen it.

This is my fifth time reporting

here, and it's more hostile...

More desperate...

Colder, wetter, miserable.

I promise you one thing.

This...

This place will never get finished.

This scrap of land used to be home

to more than 7000 people.

It was the Jungle, right?

This is what remains

of the Jungle now, yeah.

Not very much.

In October 2016, French authorities

cleared the camp here,

known as the Jungle.

But people have kept on coming,

some back from centres

they were dispersed to,

finding new places to

set up temporary home.

So now the Jungle's gone,

dozens of people every night

are sleeping between these massive

mounds of industrial waste,

right in the middle of Calais.

Charities estimate that up to

700 people are here now,

many again pitching tents

in the woods for shelter.

But the police are constantly

pulling these down because they

don't want new camps here.

So this is where you sleep?

This is...

Yeah.

Our roof is...

Standing because of these trees.

If we didn't have these trees,

we could not sleep here.

Ikram is 18 and from Nangarhar,

one of Afghanistan's

most dangerous regions.

He's only been in Calais a week.

It must be so cold?

It is.

And, you know, how does it feel

when it is cold and you are wet?

Like, your clothes,

everything is wet.

How long do you think

you can live like this?

Three months, four months.

I hope I don't...

I just don't get sick.

Because I don't want to leave.

The vast majority here are men

from four countries -

Afghanistan, like Ikram,

also Sudan, Eritrea and Ethiopia.

The flow of people from Africa

to Europe through smugglers

is still strong, and many Afghans

were already in Europe before

of the routes were disrupted.

Charity workers like Annie

are trying to use very

difficult conditions.

So there's nowhere here to settle,

even if you are lucky enough to get

a tent and sleeping bag and be warm

for the night, you're likely to lose

it the next morning.

So we've just noticed

some police over here,

taking people's possessions out

of the woods.

So we're going to speak to them.

The men in the white outfits,

were they helping you clear?

Just so we know what was going on.

OK.

Look, you will return?

OK?

OK.

It's forbidden for you to stay here.

OK, thank you.

OK, thank you.

How often, Annie, do they clear

people's possessions here?

There is one clearance

every day, normally.

Do you sympathise

with the police at all?

They will have been told to do that.

They are saying it

is private property.

I mean, they are following orders.

I guess they are trying

to prevent what they call

the fixation point in the area.

Except a fixation point

to you and me might be

a camp, and nobody really

wants another camper.

That's not what anybody's asking.

What do they spray the tents with?

We've had so many reports

of the police spraying

with tear gas, tents,

sleeping bags, blankets.

And people themselves.

People have been woken up by just

being sprayed in the face.

And that is not a legitimate

use of tear gas.

It's an excessive use of force.

This man gets very upset.

Added to that there are rumours

amongst the migrant population that

journalists like us and even charity

workers are colluding with the

French government and the police.

So we turn the camera off.

The guys keep asking for permission

to go back into the woods and see

if they can take their stuff,

but the police won't let them.

With each new camp we visited,

another police clearance.

Are you clearing the tents?

As it pours with rain,

a police truck leaves

with the latest haul of tents

and sleeping bags.

The stuff being confiscated has been

donated by charities set up locally,

a huge number of

volunteers are British.

Good morning, everyone, and welcome.

Thank you, everyone,

for being here so bright and early.

In March last year, local

authorities barred humanitarian

groups from giving out

aid to migrants.

It's going to be raining outside,

it's really wet outside.

A local court struck down

that order within weeks,

and volunteers are still coming

to Calais, just in smaller numbers.

I've been here almost two

and a half years now,

and the conditions that we have

at the moment are the worst that

we've ever had in this place.

And that is because people

are constantly being moved on.

They are still very much

on the edge all the time.

Does it make your job harder

when people don't trust you?

Erm...

It does, but it's normal.

It's just the way it is?

Yeah.

I mean, we're not necessarily

here to make friends with everybody.

We're just trying

to keep people alive.

What we're seeing is

that the conditions in which people

are forced to live right now

are pushing people to take such

extreme risks, risks

that they wouldn't otherwise take.

So unfortunately last month two

refugees died at the border.

One of them was a 15-year-old boy.

And one person is still

in critical condition

after being severely injured.

What's the solution to all of this?

You can't want to see

the Jungle reform here?

What we really want is just basic

provisions allowing people

to survive, and then for their cases

to be fairly assessed

while they are here.

So there are many, many

people who have a legal

right to be in the UK,

but it takes so long to access

those legal routes that

people just give up.

The fact that the French asylum

system is so overcrowded

and it just cannot cope.

When you're speaking to people here,

if you hear a case that is quite

clearly not going to get someone

asylum in the UK or in

France, do you tell them?

What we really want is for people

to get assessed by the appropriate

authorities, and then

they had to decide.

It's not up to us.

Ikram used to live in Norway,

where he was given temporary asylum.

But after a year he was told

he would be sent back to Afghanistan

to live in the capital,

Kabul, where it was judged safe,

rather than the region he's from.

I don't want to go back,

and I will never.

I don't want to go.

I can live anywhere in Europe.

It can be a Jungle, it can

be a place like this.

But I'm not going back.

And that no one can

decide without me.

As soon as you are without parents

in Afghanistan, you are deciding

to go in army or Taliban.

That is your choice.

So do you want me to

go to Taliban, or...?

That's why I don't want to go back.

Do you worry about that, though?

Do you worry that if you end up

in England they might

say the same as Norway,

you could go and live in Kabul?

Believe me, if they did this,

if they said the same thing

like Norway said to me,

believe me, I will

kill myself there.

Because...

OK, where should I go?

I...

I should go back to any other

country and just begging for asylum,

begging for everything?

Come on.

I am tired.

I want to stop somewhere.

I want to just...

Just seriously, OK,

what is the problem if I start to go

to my school, start my education,

do the right things.

What is the problem?

And what's it like trying

to jump on the trucks?

I haven't tried.

You haven't tried?

So you're waiting to try?

I'm waiting for try.

We could have a truck

with migrants on board.

Has the driver asked

for the security check,

because he thinks he's got

them on board?

On this truck out here.

This is just the truck,

just over there.

Stuart Madden is chief operating

officer at this massive

truck stop in Calais.

They now have a security

team constantly checking

lorries for people inside.

This is footage of just before

Christmas where a truck's come on.

Someone coming out of the roof.

Last June at a driver was killed

in Calais when a van crashed

into lorries that had been forced

to stop by a makeshift barrier set

by migrants trying to boards trucks.

We've had drivers arrive on site

who have been physically harassed,

that have had their windscreens

smashed and, of course,

there is damage to vehicles.

But Stuart's also seen

cases where lorry drivers

are willingly smuggling people.

Do you know how much someone

can get paid for it,

for taking someone over in a truck?

A lot of the drivers

are from Eastern Europe

and can be paid only 500,

600 euros a month.

Even if it's 1000 or 2000 euros,

that's a significant increase

in disposable income.

And how is it for you,

seeing this every day?

We try our best here to deal

with a difficult situation in order

to ensure that trucks,

their drivers, the

cargo are kept safe.

What we need is to reflect

upon is where these

migrants have come from.

Eritrea, where if you're

16, you're conscripted

automatically into the army

for an indefinite period.

So if you are a young Eritrean

and you have the option of trying

to make a better life for yourself

in Europe, then you're

probably going to try.

And so it continues.

All day and all night here,

people still try their chances,

trying to get a ride to the UK.

It must be a dilemma for you that

you are enabling Calais to exist

and it grew because of charity

presence, and now

it's growing again?

It's an ongoing conversation,

but at the same time when not

enabling people to come here.

They would be here anyway.

They would be here anyway.

They would be here anyway.

They would be here anyway.

They would be here anyway.

We're just giving them the very

basic tools to survive.

They got rid of this camp, you know,

more than a year ago,

but people are here again.

Has anyone been put off by the fact

that there's not a proper camp here?

I promise you one thing, this...

This place will never get finished.

It will be people here, every time.

No one can stop this.

We will talk to a young man who came

to Britain illegally underneath a

lorry. We will talk to him later on

in the programme. We will talk to

the Road Haulage Association and a

driver who is in charge of various

other lorries as well. I want to

hear from you if you are a trucker

and you travel regularly through

Calais, let us know what it is like

at the moment.

Gezza says, "Real refugees would be

grate fofl the first safe haven, not

travelling across countries in a

freezing tent waiting to get on a

lord to Britain." , "The world needs

more compassion." Jay says we are

overwhelmed with immigrants and we

have to look after our own." Kate

says, "The migrants wanting to come

to Britain are the problem of

France. All have been allowed to

ignore international law and no

matter how sorry you feel for them,

we have no room for them and we do

not want them." With regards to the

claims you heard in the film, the

leadical authority told us:

"Police forces act

in Calais in accordance

with the rule of law,

with the sole objective of enforcing

public order and security."

"Coercion is used only

when necessary, and the forces

strictly obey the principle

of the proportionality

when responding to a risk."

Gay couples in Australia have tied

the knot on the first official day

of ceremonies following the passing

of a law to legalise

same-sex marriage.

Last year, the Australian Parliament

overwhelming voted for same-sex

marriage after a contentious

referendum showed 62% of respondents

wanted marriage equality.

Let's talk to two couple

who've just got married.

They got married at midnight last

night Australian time.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Tell us about the ceremony.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Tell us about the ceremony.

PROBLEM WITH SOUND

We had to stay up late.

It is a

really dodgy Skype line or Face

time, but we'll persist because

that's what we do on this programme.

Who did you invite?

We invited about

40 of our friends and family. But it

was an open invitation as well.

Who

turned up? From the open invitation,

who turned up?

The venue was at

capacity. Capacity at several points

throughout the night. It was about

close to 100 people.

And how was it?

It was so good. It was really good.

It was a nice feeling.

This line is

too bad, you know, we can't hear you

enough, but I'm so frustrated. I'm

so frustrated. Tell us finally when

you heard the result of the national

vote read out on TV back in

November, how did you both react?

We

cried.

Congratulations. Have a

wonderful life together. Thank you

both very much.

Sorry about the technicals there.

You know us, we like to plough on.

Seine

Still to come, tiny pieces

of plastic known as mircobeads

are banned from cosmetics

and toiletries from today.

We'll ask if the move goes far

enough to tackle plastic pollution.

Time for the latest

news, here's Ben.

Thanks, Victoria, the BBC News

headlines:

Journalist Toby Young has

resigned from the board

of the Office for Students

after more than 200,000

people signed a petition

calling for him to go.

In an article in the Spectator,

he says his appointment

had become a distraction

from the board's vital work

of broadening access

to higher education.

It follows accusations that he had

made offensive comments on Twitter.

The newly appointed chairman of the

Conservative Party, Brandon Lewis,

is insisting Theresa May is fully

in control of her Cabinet,

despite yesterday's reshuffle

not going according to plan.

Education Secretary Justine Greening

resigned after refusing an offer

to become Work and

Pensions Secretary,

and Jeremy Hunt turned down

a move to business

to remain as Health Secretary,

with added responsibilities.

The reshuffle will continue today,

with more ministerial roles

expected to go to women, younger MPs

and those from ethnic minorities.

Well, I think if you look

at what the Prime Minister outlined

yesterday in terms of how

the departments are working,

there's some really good

new people coming in,

we've got, you know,

more women around the Cabinet table

now than we've ever had before,

we've got actually

a very clear focus.

The UK's equality watchdog

has said it will write to the BBC

about claims of unlawful

pay discrimination

made by its former China editor,

Carrie Gracie.

The Equality and Human

Rights Commission says

it will then decide

if further action is required.

Ms Gracie resigned after

she discovered a gap

between her salary and that

of her male counterparts.

North Korea has agreed

to send athletes

accompanied by senior officials

to the Winter Olympics

in South Korea next month.

The two countries have held

their first talks for more

than two years in the demilitarised

zone that divides the peninsula.

The South Korean delegation

has also proposed more contacts

between the two countries

in what appears to be a significant

move to lower tension in the region.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

Some messages about journalist Toby

Young, who has resigned this morning

from the universities watchdog.

Funny how this useless right-wing

misogynist is regularly applied by

the BBC to give his views on things.

From Paul, how are we supposed to

make up our minds about him when you

do not tell us what he said? You,

the BBC have decided that what he

said was not acceptable. We have to

accept the word of the progressive

left in the BBC that he has said

something wrong. We have

pre-recorded an interview with the

chair of the Education Select

Committee when we go through some of

his comments, with particular

relation to some of his comments

about people with disabilities.

While watching Comic Relief in 2009,

he wrote, what happened to your

Winkleman's breasts? Put on some

weight! While watching PMQs in 2011,

he wrote, that is quite a cleavage

behind Ed Miliband. In 2012, during

PMQs, serious cleavage behind Ed

Miliband, anybody know who it

belongs to? And then in 2013 he

responded to criticism of previous

comments by saying that women who

display a lot of cleavage should not

complain when men notice them. In

2004 he wrote an article about

pretending to be a lesbian for the

night and embarking on a

whistle-stop tour of New York's

hottest lesbian clubs with the aim

of drawing them into his confidence

to make out with them on the dance

floor. And so on. Sport now with

Sarah.

Brighton are through to the fourth

round of the FA Cup after their

2-1 win against Crystal Palace.

It was the first time VAR

was used in a competitive match,

and there was a little debate

over Glenn Murray's winner

three minutes from time.

But the referee was happy with it.

So Brighton through to meet

Middlesbrough in the fourth round.

Also meeting in the next round -

League Two Yeovil Town,

the lowest-ranked side

left in the FA Cup,

will host Manchester United.

Tottenham also travel

to League Two side Newport County.

The full draw is on the website.

England cricket coach Trevor Bayliss

is going to step down,

but not until the end of next year's

Ashes, when his contract expires.

He's also vowed to start the job

of building a team

able to win down under.

And North Korea is to send

a delegation to the Winter Olympics

which will take place

in South Korea next month.

The delegation will include

athletes, officials and supporters.

A UK-wide ban on the manufacture

of cosmetics and care

products like these,

containing tiny pieces of plastic

- known as microbeads -

has come into force.

The ban is aimed at protecting

the marine environment

from one source of plastic pollution

as microbeads can have potentially

harmful effects when swallowed

by fish and crustaceans.

The ban affects products

that rinse off - like face wash,

toothpaste, shower gel -

and it was announced back in 2016.

You'll still be able

to buy them in shops, though,

till a ban on the sale comes

into force later in the year.

Many companies have been working

to remove microbeads

from their products already.

But campaigners say they want

the ban to go further.

They want it to be extended to other

so-called leave-on products,

which you put on and don't wash off

immediately, like body lotions,

sun creams and some make-up,

as well as abrasive cleaning

products, many of which contain

other types of tiny plastic.

Microbeads only account for a small

proportion of plastics in the ocean.

The Prime Minister recently

announced she wants to introduce

some kind of charge

on single-use plastics

- like coffee cups, takeaway cartons

and plastic packaging -

and will start listening to ideas

about how to do this

in the coming months.

Michael Gove, the Environment

Secretary, is already considering

whether to introduce

a reward and return scheme

for plastic bottles,

which would see people paying

a deposit when they buy a plastic

bottle, which they would then

get back if they returned it

to the shop for recycling.

And just look at the impact

plastic can have on our beaches.

Storm Eleanor has left these Cornish

beaches littered with waste scooped

up from the sea bed by the waves.

One campaigner described it

as a "tidal wave of waste" and said

removing it would be a mammoth task.

Let's discuss this now

with Tisha Brown from Greenpeace,

Professor Richard Thompson,

a marine biologist

from Plymouth University,

who gave evidence to a parliamentary

committee about microbeads,

and Dr Chris Flower, director

general of the Cosmetics,

Toiletries and

Perfumery Association.

Good morning, thank you very much

for coming on the programme. What

impact is this ban is likely to

have?

It would reduce the amount of

plastic entering our oceans, we are

currently up to 12 million tonnes

every year, which is the equivalent

of a rubbish truck's worth every

minute. We are very excited about

the ban, it will help reduce the

amount of plastic entering the

oceans, which makes its way up the

food chain, it is being ingested by

fish, as you mentioned before. We

are also finding these micro

plastics in everything from beer to

drinking water, honey, sea salt, all

these things. It is concerning that

we are having these where we do not

expect them to be. We are happy that

the ban is coming into force.

So

there is plastic and things like

honey?

Yeah, micro plastic has been

found in all of those items.

There

is evidence for that?

There is.

Richard is behind you, sorry, if you

turn around a bit, welcome to the

programme. Richard Thompson, marine

biologist, how damaging heart

microbeads to ocean wildlife?

Well,

we know that a wide range of

creatures can eat micro plastic, we

looked at 500 fish from the English

channel, and we found it in about a

third of them. The laboratory

evidence clearly shows that it can

present harm to marine organisms, so

anything we can do to reduce the

influence is really important. As

you say, it is part of the process,

we need to look at other items too.

Is there any difference between

microbeads in rinse off products, or

microbeads in lotions, make-up and

suncream?

I think that the thing

that needs to be considered is that

the benefit to society, and that was

never really clear, why we needed to

be cleansing ourselves with small

pieces of plastic, as we look at

other products, we need to think, is

there a benefit from having the

plastic there? For example, they are

present in some paints as a pigment,

but the pain stays on the wall of

your house, it is not immediately

rinse down the sink, passed through

waste treatment into the sea. So it

is a question of weighing the

benefits.

Chris, you are from the

industry association, why does the

cosmetic industry use microbeads in

its product?

Well, we don't know,

that is absolutely clear.

So there

are no micro cosmetic products being

made from now on?

We did not put

plastic microbeads in leave on

products, because the texture is

wrong, they are gritty particles

intended to exfoliate and cleanse.

You wouldn't want a pretty arterial

on your face. So we need to separate

that from the discussion about the

ban which is currently in place. We

welcome the ban, because it places a

level playing field not just for our

members, who voluntarily gave up

from 2015, but also for imported

products - they will now have to

play by the same rules.

Occurring...

So we have a whole array of tables

here, a whole array of goods on the

tables which show single use

plastic, is that Greenpeace's next

objective, get this kind of plastic

band, or at least, as Michael Gove

suggesting, you have to pay for it?

We are currently running a campaign

encouraging to have these deposit

return schemes, as you mentioned,

where you pay a bit more when you

buy a bottle, and it is returned for

recycling. Scotland is already

signalling that they want a deposit

return system there. Westminster is

now considering whether we can make

that UK wide, it would be a great

idea, stop those 16 million bottles

not being recycled every day.

Will

it be effective?

It has been used in

various different countries, it has

been used in Germany, where

recycling rate of plastic bottles

have increased up to 90%, so that is

great. It has been trialled in other

countries around the world, so we

know it is an effective way of

keeping them out of the environment.

What about the rest of this stuff?

The milk container, these plastic

cups, the crisp packaging, grapes

packaging.

Yeah, the Treasury

Department are looking at a

consultation on taxes that we can

possibly have on different single

use items such as what is on the

table, which we think would be good,

but we really feel that it is for

the manufacture of these products to

pay and look at difference is tonnes

of delivering their products,

instead of passing on the cost to

the consumer.

Do you think a tax on

single use plastics will deter

people, reduce pollution in the

oceans, or should it be paid for by

the manufacturers?

It is a range of

measures that is important. The

starting point micro, looking at

that table, if I was to show it to

someone recycling, some would say,

yes I can recycle that, others would

say, at the moment it could be

recyclable but the way it is

designed it is inadequate. The

starting point has to be the design

stage so that we are designing

projects that means there is no

escape to the environment and so

that single use packaging is

designed for end of life recovery.

Up until now, we really haven't done

a particularly good job of doing so.

And I think we have been using

microbeads in cosmetics now for 50

years since the patent came in,

could not questions have been asked

before now?

Do you want to answer

that?

They were brought in because

they were very effective, of course,

but 50 years ago people were not

aware of the environment and

pollution the way we are today. In

more recent times, once the issue

was more aware, companies

immediately took action to remove

microbeads from their products.

So

the cosmetics industry is in the

clear?

We think we have shown a

responsible approach to this. We

want to work with ours now to tackle

the issue of how we as a society use

plastic.

Would you agree they have

been responsible in the cosmetics

industry?

I think, you know, they

say they do not have plastic

currently in different products, but

the litter is a micro plastic, still

used in many different products, and

there are natural alternatives that

we can use instead of it. --

glitter.

That is also coming out of

rinse off products now, plastic

based glitter, that is why the

Government was saying it is broader

than any ban in the world, because

it does cover those users too.

But

not in leave on products.

But there

are alternatives, and indeed, excuse

me, most companies, you will find,

will be using alternatives or

developing alternatives, because

they are aware of these concerns. We

are living in the same environment,

we have families and friends who use

the products, they are all asking

questions of the people working in

the companies, so we are not saying

this is not our problem. We want to

be part of the solution, we want to

understand the contribution we make,

which we believe is tiny but can

nevertheless be managed and needs to

be dealt with. We want to be part of

the solution for the bigger question

of plastic pollution.

Thank you all

very much. Thank you very much for

your time.

Coming up, the Bafta nominations

are out this morning.

We'll get full reaction

to the films in the running.

British talent dominates the leading

actor categories.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle

are due to visit Reprezent Radio

Station later today for their second

official event as an engaged couple.

They're heading to Brixton

in South London to learn more

about the underground radio station

that was set up in 2008 in response

to an increase in knife crime.

The 24 hour station is presented

by young people and aims to tackle

issues such as mental

health and cyber-bullying.

Our reporter Claire Jones

has visited the station

to find out more.

The sound of young London

on Reprezent Radio.

An underground radio

station presented by young

people in South London

is gaining international attention.

We are going to be getting some more

requests, but until then...

They say they're the sound of young

London and from humble beginnings

they have big plans for the future.

Reprezent is more than just small

Brixton or like a youth club

like we are literally everywhere

and we hope to just

continue to expand.

I want to influence how we listen

to music in the country.

I want to push great

talented artists.

I just want to - I have got so much

plans, but I couldn't done none

of it without Reprezent.

Reprezent is a station that

I believe is like a family

and there is a lot of opportunity

at Reprezent and there

is a lot of direction.

Reprezent Radio is housed in these

three storage containers and aims

to help people get into music,

radio, and media and most

importantly, bring

about positive change.

I can just do so many things now

technically and socially as well.

It has opened up a whole

new world for me.

A lot of people get discouraged.

As a station we branch out and we're

very accepting of people.

The core Reprezent as being

like as accepting and family based

thing, I thing the community

appreciate that and we have had

loads of people come up and say,

"I want to see the station."

I think they appreciate

the openness of Reprezent.

The station was set-up

in 2008 in response

to an increase in knife crime.

In 2011, the station gained an FM

licence and since then

there are nearly 100 shows

going on across the station.

There are 4,000 people taking part

in the Reprezent training programme

and there are 3,000 people

on the waiting list.

And some of the artists

are now household names.

Stormsy.

Stormsy is one that people might

know who came to Reprezent years ago

before he had any profile

and he came on as a guest

on a show and was so funny

that we gave him a show of his own.

So he was an agony uncle

so people had to phone

in and get advice from Stormsy

and that was really funny.

The trainees and DJs believe

the station has helped them overcome

personal challenges.

Without Reprezent I

wouldn't have direction.

I wouldn't be where I am today.

I came here with - I was lost,

I was lost and I just wanted

to learn and they said yes

and they've guided me ever since.

Around the age of 16, to 19,

when all girls are growing up,

everybody faces stuff,

but for me it was on

a ridiculous level.

I just didn't think

I could speak to people.

Without Reprezent being there,

I think I would just be a recluse.

I wouldn't be able to speak

to people the way that I can now

and be as open and as fun loving

as I am today.

Put your hands up if you are like

yes, I'm stressed most of the time.

The station is trying to tackle

the issues that affect

young people the most.

You will see a jumble of emojis.

You have 30 seconds to try and work

out what the story means and then

I'll be taking an answer

from the crowd.

It is such a family feeling

and I can't get it anywhere

else at any station.

Not all the time, but sometimes

with older people can being seem

patronising if they are telling

you where to go and I have seen it

through the people that I talk

to as well, if you find that

you have gone through something

else that another young

person has gone through,

it is easier to connect

with them on a level

as opposed to a person saying,

"This is what you need to do."

If I had somebody my own age

telling me I have been through this

and this is what to do and the best

thing ever and that's what Reprezent

is the best thing for.

On the sound of Reprezent Radio...

In one their first joint visits,

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle

will meet some of the young DJs.

It's the biggest thing

to happen to Reprezent

and I'm so excited for it.

I can't wait to meet them.

I think they're going to be

really cool and down earth

which is the thing I'm

most excited about.

I keep saying with Harry I feel

like I would be able to speak slang

to him and he would understand

what I'm saying because he

seems like a cool guy.

Even if they don't ask,

I will guarantee for no fee

to DJ at their wedding,

I will just for them.

Anything Harry wants to hear

I will play it and I want to do

a special rap dedicated

to them as well.

If they're up for it,

I'm here to do it.

Our reporter Claire Jones

at Reprezent Radio station

which harry and meghan

are visiting later today.

Chaos.

Disarray.

Shambolic.

Embarassing - some of the words used

to describe yesterday's

reshuffle.

Let's speak to Norman Smith.

Many of

Mrs May's people hope New Year would

be sort of moment of new

opportunities. She could assert her

grip over the party, particularly

after the back end of last year when

you remember she got the Brexit

negotiations through the first

phase, got the Brexit bill through

the Commons and there was a sense

ah-ha Mrs May is on the front foot

and now she can get momentum with a

meaty reshuffle. Instead, I mean,

you know, blink and you probably

would have missed it because not

much has really changed. In terms of

authority, well, you know, Mrs May's

ininability to shift key ministers

such as just teen Greening and

Jeremy Hunt has meant the idea of

her asserting authority has hit the

buffers. It is not a particularly

different looking Cabinet. There are

no more women actually in the

Cabinet. There are two more who are

going to attend it. No more

non-white faces in the Cabinet. It

looks and feels the same. The papers

this morning, I mean, they give it a

panning, Greening quits in shambolic

reshuffle. There is not much of an

upside. And we had the extraordinary

situation of Jeremy Hunt convincing

Mrs May on the hoof to create this

new post, albeit this morning,

jurpbt was coming back from a run,

we can see the pictures of him

coming back from an early morning

run, he was not saying anything

about whether he damaged Mrs May's

authority by his refusal to go.

REPORTER: Did you threaten to

resign? Have you undermined the

Prime Minister, Mr Hunt?

So where do we go from here? Well,

there is going to be a shake-up of

the middle ranking posts in

government today and the May team

are saying this is when we are going

to bring on the new Tory MPs,

younger Tory MPs, female Tory MPs,

MPs from ethnic minorities. The

problem is brutally, no one cares.

You know, whoever is under Secretary

of State for I don't know postal

services, doesn't matter frankly to

voters. The only posts which they

are likely to notice is the big

posts in Cabinet. So it is not going

to change the overall perception of

the shake-up. And I suppose the

difficulty for Mrs May is that far

from being a moment when she can

strengthen her position, it has

underlined the old lurking doubts

about how much control she has over

her party and how divided and split

it is over the issue of Brexit.

Cheers, Norman, thank you very much.

Imagine if your boss said I want you

to move jobs and you said, "No, not

doing it." It would be really odd,

wouldn't it? Cut the tension with a

knife. Right.

Now have a look at this.

Is Donald Trump forgetting the words

to the National Anthem? A lot of his

critics are saying he can't sing the

words of the Star Spangled Banner.

His supporters say he was proud to

see him stand.

He knows some of the words, it is

obvious.

The Flag Code makes no mention

of whether the anthem should be sung

by those present.

Singing it is, however,

encouraged from school onwards.

We will leave it for you to decide.

Let's get the latest weather update.

Bottom Good morning.

Well, I'm going to take a look back

in time because in 1982, from the

7th January for 36 hours, this is

what happened. We had substantial

snow across South Wales. So

substantial in fact, that throughout

the whole of the month of January,

we looked at 40 to 60 centimetres of

snow. That's getting on for two

feet. Most of that would have fallen

in the 36 hours, drifts up to six

meters high. Really, covering cars,

bringing down roofs of buildings

because of the weight of the snow

bringing down roofs of buildings

because of the weight of the snow

and for some, Especially with the

drifts many houses were almost

totally covered so it brought chaos

to South Wales and the M4 was

stationary. Quite a different

picture today. One of our Weather

Watchers pictures shows in Wales, it

is cloudy. It is not just in Wales.

Across many parts of the British

Isles that is the story. Cold, not

as cold as yesterday, but cold

nonetheless and grey, but not

everywhere, across north-west

Scotland, another beautiful Weather

Watchers picture showing early

morning sunshine. It is not just

north-west Scotland seeing the

sunshine, north-west parts of

England, Cumbria, around Carlisle

and north-west Wales will see

sunshine today and it should

brighten up around Essex, Sussex and

Kent, but at the same time, we have

got a weather front coming in from

the west and it will introduce

strengthening winds and also some

rain, but with it, will come milder

conditions. So, across Plymouth, we

are looking at ten Celsius, barn

stable nine Celsius. For Wales, it

will remain cloudy. Again hill fog

around and low cloud. Across

Northern Ireland, well, the cloud

continuing to build ahead of this

rain and the wind is also going to

strengthen, but ahead of it too, it

will be a grey afternoon. Sunny

across north-west Scotland, much of

the rest of Scotland grey and

cloudy. Again with the odd spot of

drizzle coming out of the cloud.

Away from north-west England, it is

fairly grey and cloud xwri with the

odd spot of drizzle. We could see

brightness and across southern

counties with that cloud, it won't

feel as cloud with temperatures

between seven and nine Celsius.

Through this evening and overnight,

the weather front in the west moves

north-east wards, the rain turning

patchy and behind it, there will be

fog patches forming across the

Midlands, across Northern Ireland

and after the rain goes through with

the damp surfaces and the lower

temperatures, especially across

Northern Ireland, there is the risk

of ice and we will see snow coming

out of that across northern England

and the hills and the hills of

Scotland. So tomorrow, the rain

progresses steadily north-east

wards. Again fragmenting as it does

so. It will clear the East Coast of

England sometime during the

afternoon, but hang around across

north-east Scotland and the Northern

Isles for much of the rest of the

day and into the night. Behind t we

will see brightness and sunshine

coming through. Temperatures not bad

at all, four Celsius in Glasgow and

ten as we push towards the south.

And then as we head overnight and

towards the end of the week, we are

more likely to see fog. We could

have widespread fog first thing on

Thursday morning across Northern

Ireland, east Wales, into the

Midlands and southern counties of

England as well. Some of that will

be slow to clear. Some may lift into

low cloud. Move north, we are back

into brighter sunnier skies. No

heatwave and temperatures coming

down a touch in the south. If we

look at what's happening on Friday.

Friday again, some fog to start the

day. A lot of dry weather, but this

system bringing wet and windy

weather is coming our way.

Hello, it's Tuesday, it's ten

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Our top story today -

the journalist Toby Young

has resigned from the universties

watchdog after widespread

criticism of crude and offensive

comments he'd written in the past.

This wasn't just somebody writing

some stupid comments on Twitter,

which we've all been guilty of in

the past. This is somebody who has

written some really extreme staff

and really crosses boundaries that

are just too far.

The full interview

with that Conservative MP in the

next half-hour. And also an

interview with one former Labour MP

who was subject to comments from

Toby Young about her cleavage. Paul

has said, I believe he is guilty of

little more than funny male banter,

not a right-wing sleazebag or

misogynist, and I think it is time

to end the feminist terror that is

operating in this country. Tell us

your own views.

Also on the programme,

hundreds of migrants

are still in Calais,

a year after the so-called

Jungle camp was destroyed.

We'll hear from one of the

700 people living rough

in the hope of a better life.

How long do you think you can live

like this?

Three months, four

months. I hope I don't get sick.

We'll get reaction from

truckers and migrants.

If you're a lorry driver and

regularly travels through Calais,

tell us your experience of migrants

trying to get into the UK.

You may think that thing looks

human, stands on microlights, right?

And the fantasy romance

The Shape Of Water

leads the Bafta nominations

with 12 nods.

We'll look at that and the other

films in the running

this award season.

Good morning.

Here's Ben in the BBC newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

Journalist Toby Young

has resigned from the board

of the Office for Students

after more than 200,000 people

signed a petition

calling for him to go.

In an article in the Spectator,

he says his appointment

had become a distraction

from the board's vital

work of broadening access

to higher education.

It follows accusations that he had

made offensive comments on Twitter.

The newly appointed chairman

of the Conservative Party,

Brandon Lewis, is insisting

Theresa May is fully

in control of her Cabinet,

despite yesterday's reshuffle

not going according to plan.

Education Secretary Justine Greening

resigned after refusing

an offer to become Work

and Pensions Secretary,

and Jeremy Hunt turned down a move

to business to remain

as Health Secretary

with added responsibilities.

The reshuffle will continue today,

with more ministerial roles

expected to go to women,

younger MPs

and those from ethnic minorities.

Well, I think if you look

at what the Prime Minister outlined

yesterday in terms of how

the departments are working,

there's some really good

new people coming in,

we've got, you know,

more women around the Cabinet table

now than we've ever had before,

we've got actually

a very clear focus.

The UK's equality watchdog

has said it will write to the BBC

about claims of unlawful pay

discrimination made by its former

China editor, Carrie Gracie.

The Equality and Human

Rights Commission says

it will then decide

if further action is required.

Ms Gracie resigned after

she discovered a gap

between her salary and

that of her male counterparts.

North Korea has agreed to send

athletes accompanied by senior

officials to the Winter Olympics

in South Korea next month.

The two countries have held their

first talks for more than two years

in the demilitarised zone

that divides the peninsula.

The South Korean delegation

has also proposed more contacts

between the two countries

in what appears to be a significant

move to lower tension in the region.

Just over a year since

the so-called Jungle camp

was destroyed in Calais,

this programme has learnt

that around 700 migrants

are living rough in the area.

French police say they're clearing

tents and blankets daily

to stop a camp re-forming there.

Charities say awful

living conditions there

mean people are taking huge

risks trying to reach the UK.

A UK-wide ban on the

manufacturing of cosmetics

and care products containing

microbeads has come into

force today, in an attempt

to cut down on the amount

of plastic in our oceans.

The beads that are used in

face washes and shower gels

are often ingested by sea animals,

and can even end up

entering our food chain.

It will be followed by a wider ban

on the sale of products containing

microbeads later in the year.

Professor Richard Thomson, a marine

biologist, told us it is a step in

the right direction.

A wide range of

creatures can eat micro plastic, we

looked at 500 fish from the English

Channel, and we found it in about a

third of them. Laboratory evidence

shows that it can present harm to

marine organisms, so anything we can

do to reduce the input of micro

plastic is really important.

That's a summary of the latest

BBC News, more at 10:30.

If you want to e-mail, you are very

welcome.

On Twitter, use #VictoriaLive.

Our Facebook page is really great,

thank you to you. Sarah is back with

the sport. Brighton through to the

fourth round of the FA Cup after a

win over Crystal Palace, 2-1. It was

the first time the video assistant

referee was used in a competitive

match in the UK, that is how it

works, on the side of the pitch.

There was some debate about whether

it should have been used for this

late winner, Glenn Murray guiding

the ball into the net three minutes

from time to send them through to

the fourth round. Some Palace

players suggested it was handball,

but referee Andrew Marron was happy

that he did not, and he did not feel

the need to act further. -- Andre

Marriner.

From where we were

standing and watching, it looked for

all the world that he had handball

did, and the players close by

thought so too, but when you see it

lots of times, there is a very good

case for the BA are and the referee

to make that he did not handball it,

very close, no complaints about

that. -- the VAR. English cricket

coach Trevor Bayliss said he will

step down at the end of the next

Ashes Series. He says

it has nothing