29/01/2018 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello.

It's Monday, it's 9 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Welcome to the programme.

Our top story today...

A 28-year-old man has been charged

with three counts of causing death

by dangerous driving after a car

crash which killed three teenagers.

Also on the programme...

British farmers tell this programme

they're the subject of death threats

from increasingly

militant vegan activists

I don't take any issue with Keegan

's. What we do care about is when it

turns militant. When you are being

called the screams.

Really keen to hear

from you this morning.

If you work in the farming industry,

tell us the effect it has on you.

If you're an activist, tell us

what you're trying to achieve.

Plus, chronic headaches can be

devastating, and very little

is known about them.

It feels like someone is taking a

knife and stabbing my head

repeatedly. The pain is so bad that

you cannot open your eyes quickly

cannot move, you cannot speak.

Now a study is under way

at Warwick University

to try and tackle it.

We'll speak to those affected.

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Our top story today...

A man has been charged with causing

death by dangerous driving

in connection with a crash

which killed three

teenagers in West London.

A second man is being questioned

after he handed himself

in after a police appeal.

First, our correspondent,

Ben Ando, reports.

Candles, flowers, messages from

family and friends. For those who

did not know them but wanted to pay

respects. A black Audi mounted the

pavement near a bus stop, struck

then after mounting a pavement. A

man was caused with dashes of the

charge with three counts of causing

death by dangerous driving. A man

wanted by the police handed himself

in. The victims have been named as

Josh Magennis and George Wilkinson,

both 16, and Harry Lewis Rice, aged

17 among those who paid their

respects where George's and father.

I was not going to stop here but I

had to in the end.

It told me to.

How do you feel now you have come

here?

Upset but pleased I have seen

them.

The man charged will appear in

court later this morning. As the

shock of what happened continues to

sink in, there are demands that more

is done to ensure no other young

lives are lost here.

Our correspondent,

John McManus, is at the scene

of the crash in Hayes.

We can see the many, many tributes

to these three young man.

Yes, many.

The community have been out in

force. This weekend, literally

hundreds of floral tributes,

personal, heart valve messages for

people who knew the three boys who

died, and the men toes of their

lives as well. One person left an

Xbox game are plenty of pictures of

them in football kits or mementos of

the teams they supported. One

heartfelt message from a friend of

theirs that said, three of the

loveliest and nicest boys I have

ever known both as was reported, one

of the suspects in this case will

appear in Uxbridge Magistrates'

Court later this morning and at

34-year-old man who handed himself

in to a police station in North

London last night has been arrested

and is also being questioned over

what happened on Friday night when

the Audi mounted the pavement here

in Hayes and struck those three boys

fatally.

Ben is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

of the rest of the day's news.

A new law targeting online

grooming has uncovered

what a leading children's charity

has described as the

"staggering" extent of abuse

in England and Wales.

The NSPCC says more than 1300 cases

of people sending a sexual

message to a child were recorded

in the first six months of it

being made a criminal offence.

Graeme Satchell reports.

Lauren was just ten

when she started going online.

She made a friend in a chatroom

who sent her sexual messages,

and eventually persuaded

her to meet.

We have changed Lauren's name

and voice to protect her identity.

The physical, sexual abuse has been

extremely traumatic.

I have flashbacks, and have to have

medication to control those.

When I was about 12, he wanted

to meet up with me in person.

He had all the power, completely.

He had totally manipulated me

to believe that I was doing

something wrong here,

and it would be me who would

be punished for this.

I was absolutely terrified.

Lauren's abuser, a man in his 30s,

was never prosecuted.

Police weren't able at that

time to use the messages

he had sent as evidence,

but since April last year,

it has been illegal to send sexual

messages to a child.

In the first six months

of the new law, more than 1,300

offences have been recorded

in England and Wales, the youngest

victim a girl of just seven.

And, in almost two thirds of cases,

groomers used just three

social media sites -

Facebook, Instagram and Snapchat.

There is a role for Government

to make sure that social

network firms do act,

because we've seen in the last

decade social networking firms being

able to mark their own homework,

as far as keeping children safe.

So they need to take these

issues more seriously.

The NSPCC wants Government to force

social media sites to introduce

a new grooming algorithm.

It would look for certain words

and friending activity,

and then send an alert to both

the child and the police.

It would, they say,

prevent more serious abuse,

rather than waiting until harm

has been done.

But police say monitoring

the internet is expensive

and time-consuming,

and they are already

struggling to cope.

I know from my own force that there

are some kinds of programmes,

not necessarily about children,

but about particular kinds

of online sexual behaviour,

that they can only realistically

switch on for a relatively short

time, because otherwise

they would be totally overwhelmed

with the response to them.

And that is wholly unsatisfactory.

The Home Office told us it has

provided £20 million to help

the police operate online,

and the technology companies have

to take all steps possible

to prevent their platforms

being used to exploit children.

Facebook say they are

working with the police,

and are using technology

to identify grooming behaviour.

But survivors like Lauren want more

action, to stop online grooming

becoming abuse in the real world.

The Culture Secretary said this

morning he is prepared to legislate

against social media companies to

help crack down on online grooming.

We are consulting at the moment on

an intranet safety strategy which is

all about making the UK the safest

place in the world to go online. We

will consider absolutely what the

NSPCC has said. I have seen their

proposals and we are thinking about

them carefully.

The pension fund deficit

of the collapsed

construction giant, Carillion,

could be almost a billion

pounds, according to MPs,

which is far higher

than first thought.

The Commons Work and Pensions

Committee has accused the firm

of attempting to "wriggle out"

of its obligations to its pensioners

while it was paying dividends

and high salaries to executives.

Three years after it

was placed into special

measures, Rotherham Children

and Young People's Services has been

told it is no longer failing.

In 2014, a Public Inquiry revealed

that at least 1400 girls

had been sexually exploited by gangs

of men over a period

of 15 years, and the

Government took direct

control of the council.

The regulator, Ofsted,

has now rated the service as good,

but inspectors say some aspects

still require improvement.

Theresa May will chair a meeting

of the Cabinet's Brexit Committee

later, as pressure

grows over her future.

This weekend she's

faced further criticism

from Conservative MPs,

with some accusing the Government

of having no sense of direction.

It comes as Ministers from the rest

of the European Union meet

in Brussels this afternoon

to discuss the next phase

of negotiations with Britain.

Mountain rescue teams in the French

Alps have recovered the bodies of

two British tourists who died while

skiing off piste. The men, both aged

25, had been skiing in the

south-eastern region of Chamonix. At

third man thought to be on holiday

with the pair raise the alarm after

they slipped in eyes and bad weather

yesterday morning. The Foreign

Office says it is providing support

to their families. Some British

farmers say they cannot sleep at

night and have felt under pressure

from Vigo activists.

from Vigo activists. -- vegan

activists.

The daily dash for a sunbed

could soon be a thing

of the past for some

British tourists.

The travel firm, Thomas Cook,

is trialling a scheme which offers

holiday-makers the chance to book

a lounger in advance

for their entire stay.

But it comes at a price.

It'll cost around £22.

Russell Trot has more.

It's every holiday-maker's

dream, heading for some

winter sun and relaxing

on the poolside sun lounger.

Unless, of course, you've

already been beaten to it.

Ever since the 1970s,

when the modern package holiday

industry really took off,

the competition to bag the best

sunbed has, for some at least,

turned even the most self-respecting

tourist into a stressed sun-seeker.

Getting up at the crack of dawn

in order to reserve that

all-important prime spot

with a carefully placed towel has

become an all-too-common part

of the holiday-maker's experience.

One travel firm is now

allowing customers to book

their sunbed in advance.

Thomas Cook customers willing to pay

25 euros, that's £22,

will be able to book a specific

lounger for their entire stay.

Customers will even get a plan

of the pool area and they can then

reserve the sunbed they prefer,

much like booking a cinema seat.

It means, says the travel firm,

the holiday-maker can have a lie-in,

safe in the knowledge that a lounger

with their name on it is all

pre-booked and paid for.

Russell Trott, BBC News.

Bruno Mars and Kendrick

Lamar stole the show -

and most of the awards -

at the 2018 Grammy Awards,

which took place in

New York last night.

During the ceremony victims

of the Manchester and Las Vegas

terror attacks were honoured,

while celebrities walked the red

carpet wearing a white rose

to show their support

for the Times Up Movement.

Victoria will have much more of this

jawing the programme. We are going

to show you our film in a moment

following some "To this. Sarah on

Facebook says, I don't eat milk or

dairy because of the way we

slaughter animals but it is a matter

of choice. If Keegan 's would spend

half their time looking at animal

conditions, things could change a

lot quicker on the way we slaughter.

Sarah on Facebook, such extremism

turns people off from any benefits

or advantages. Your views are very

welcome, particularly if you work in

farming or if you are a vegan or a

vegan activists.

Let's get some sport.

Pep Guardiola's Manchester City, we

know how good they are at the

moment. They are Premier League

leaders by a mile. Yesterday they

reach the fifth round of the FA Cup.

The comfortable victory over Cardiff

City, 2-0 away. Most of the talk

after the match was about the

challenges faced by Pep Guardiola's

side. LeRoy Sari may well face a

spell on the sidelines after a heavy

challenge from Joe Bennett. He was

given a yellow card but he was

withdrawn with injury. Not to be

deterred, Bennett was back with

another hefty tackle in the second

half to get his marching orders late

on. That did not impress Pep

Guardiola one bit for the afterwards

he said his players are artists in

football. All we can do is protect

them. He has urged referees to take

care of all players and said if

officials are not to make the right

decisions were anything could happen

out on the pitch. Clearly, PEP is

not pleased. Let's talk about Roger

Federer showing his softer side

after winning the grand slam.

Great

scenes in Melbourne yesterday from

Roger Federer. No end to his

brilliance and he hit a landmark

yesterday becoming the first man to

win 20 grand slam singles titles. He

was clearly emotional. He said, we

are used to him having such a calm

demeanour. He really seems to never

break a sweat out on Court would

yesterday was similar he showed many

why he may well be seen as the

greatest ever tennis player he came

past Marin Cilic in five sets. He

was parading his trophy. Smiling at

least today. Afterwards his reaction

to the headlines. At 36 years old he

is the second oldest man to win a

grand slam he seems to be valuing

these wins more and more. He was

emotional lifting the trophy and

said he could barely sleep in the

build-up to the match. Nerves may

have been behind the sets he lost.

He told us this morning how he felt

the morning after the night before.

A bit confused

A bit confused it is all over and

that I was able to do it and reached

number 20, number six here. It is

just a lot. It is a lot trying to

take it in. Last year was more

straightforward. It was disbelief, I

could not believe it happened. There

I was waking up with a trophy. I

don't neglect this year it seems

more surreal. I cannot believe I

could defend my title.

A bit

renaissance for Roger Federer.

Before I go, Phil Neville will be

giving his first press conference

later as the England women's head

coach was that he is sure to face

some difficult questions, especially

after he apologised last week will

sending sexist tweets in the past.

Good morning.

British farmers tell this

programme they can't sleep at night

and feel under attack by some vegan

activists who call them rapists

and issue death threats.

Concerns over animal welfare

and a desire for a healthy lifestyle

has seen veganism grow in popularity

- there are now well over half

a million vegans compared

to 150,000 ten years ago

with many more committing to go

meat and dairy free this

month for veganuary.

But some animal rights campaigners

believe they can save even more

animals through vegan activism such

as holding regular protests outside

farms and abbattoirs.

In most cases it's

peaceful and legal

but farmers say they're also facing

regular harassment and abuse.

Our reporter Amber Haque has spent

time with one vegan group

called the Save Movement,

which says it has a non-violent

approach to campaigning.

They say their cause

is compassion for animals.

What's going on in

there is an injustice.

Concern about animal

welfare and a desire

for a healthy lifestyle

has seen a huge jump

in the number of us going vegan.

Which, in turn, has led to a rise

in those speaking out about

animal rights.

What's going on in there

is extreme, what's happening

to these animals is extreme.

But when does activism

become extremism?

Standing up against

the animal holocaust.

And what threat is that message

causing to Britain's

farming industry?

When you're being called murderers

and rapists, that is

overstepping the mark there.

There's no doubt that

veganism is one of

the fastest-growing lifestyles,

the demand for vegan

and vegetarian food

increasing by 987%

last year in Britain.

Vegans don't eat or use any

animal product or dairy.

Most have a deep belief

we shouldn't kill

animals at all.

Close to half of all the UK's vegans

are aged 15 to 34, and it's

a generation that's now taking up

the fight for animal rights.

A new group is The Save Movement.

There's 42 branches across the UK.

They say they have a zero

tolerance approach

to animal exploitation.

They spend weekends waiting

outside slaughterhouses,

stopping trucks of animals before

they are killed.

A lot of dedicated activists

standing out in this weather

to bear witness to animals.

Obviously what's going

on in there is an injustice.

They want to show you exactly

what happened to the animal that

ends up on your plate.

The first time I'd ever come,

I'd prepared myself mentally

for seeing pigs on trucks,

and what I hadn't prepared myself

for was the screams.

The group says that activism isn't

violence, and that they have

a love-based approach.

Not everyone's like you and don't

care about animals.

I do care about animals.

You care about animals?

But you condemn them to

a slaughterhouse when you eat them.

The protest started out peaceful,

but it's not long into us filming

until we see the lengths some

of the protesters

are willing to go to.

PIGS SQUEALING.

You hear that?

A group of us decided to go

in the private entrance to see

if the staff would allow us just

to spend a few minutes

with the pigs.

You're on private property,

get off the...land.

It got really heated.

One of the girls was just picked up

and flung right at me.

You could just hear

the pigs screaming.

I said, really, we just

want to acknowledge the fact

that the pigs existed,

that they deserve some respect

at the end of their lives.

There's no need to push us.

The police came in and

tried to calm it down.

This is private property,

I respect your right to protest.

The footage quickly spread

across social media within days.

Whilst the movement has

exploded in the past decade,

the Vegan Society came up

with the term veganism in 1944.

The main dish is made from nuts,

whole cereals and soya, which,

combined, are just as high

in protein as meat and

considerably cheaper.

They say they don't condone

any illegal activity,

including trespassing on property.

And activists are up

against an industry

that makes billions.

Hey, buddy.

Get back to that line.

If you get hurt here,

I'm responsible.

Farming and meat organisations have

met with counterterrorism police

in response to the growth

of the movement.

The National Pig Association tells

this programme its members can't

sleep, with activists allegedly

turning up at farms

and slaughterhouses at night.

They called battling vegan

activism one of their main

challenges for 2018.

Over a billion farm animals

are killed each year

in UK slaughterhouses,

and the UK has one of

the highest animal welfare

standards in the world,

with the Animal Welfare Act making

it an offence to cause unnecessary

suffering to any animal.

Yet farmers tell us they're being

subjected to intolerable abuse.

I don't take any issue with vegans,

but what we do care

about is when it turns militant.

Do you think the industry feels

under threat by this?

People are feeling very threatened.

When you get people storming

the mart or spraying graffiti,

like has been happening,

that's when individuals feel

threatened, and that's

really when it's not OK,

when you've got people wondering,

"Oh, God, I hope my cows

are going to be safe tonight."

It is starting to become

a bit of a problem now,

when people are getting phones

and cameras shoved in their faces,

getting interrogated about it

when they are just the bloke that

drove them there.

How do you feel when you get called

a murderer or like you are

inhumane to your animals?

I find it degrading,

I find it insulting and I frankly

find it barbaric that somebody

would accuse the people that make

a living off of working the land

of mistreating their livestock.

When you're being called

murderers and rapists, that

is overstepping the mark there,

for fairly obvious reasons.

But then you do get death threats,

which is quite ironic coming

from people who want peace

for animals and everything,

but then they tell you, "Oh,

I hope you and your family go

and die in a hole for what you do."

Down the death vials.

Down the death aisles.

What's going to happen?

What do you think to those people

that say the way you behave

is almost like an extremist?

An extremist?

I would say, as vegans,

we want peace, OK?

The UK is already a country

who cares about animals, OK?

People in this country care

about animals, but their actions

don't reflect that.

When they buy a chicken breast,

that flesh was torn off of an animal

who didn't want to die.

Standing up against

the animal holocaust.

You think you're doing God's

work in here, or...?

People who justify killing animals

in the name of God I question,

I say, "Do you think God

really wants this?"

Do you feel like that's your place

to question, such a personal and...?

I'm defending animals,

I'm speaking for animals.

If abolitionists didn't speak

up for what happened

back then with slaves,

it would've never been abolished.

I'm sure it made some slave

owners a little bit angry

to not have their slaves

picking their cotton for them.

We want their job not to involve,

directly involve, a victim.

If everyone ate plants,

we'd be growing a lot less plants

than we have to feed animals too.

Human beings can voice

their suffering, they've

got a chance to escape.

Animals have no chance,

they are vulnerable.

I don't think that they can

understand or differentiate

between the fact that different

animals have different purposes.

That is an attack on me and people

like me, my family, you know?

Inherently, dogs and pigs

are the same, but we condemn

pigs to gas chambers.

Farming isn't ever going to stop,

we are always going to be here.

We have to be, we've

got people to feed.

If you're a vegan activist

or a farmer, do get

in touch this morning.

I have some messages here. Denise on

Facebook says as a vegan and told

eating meat is a personal choice but

what about the choice of the animals

who might want to live. There is no

such thing as humane slaughter if a

sentient life is taken against their

will. This text from Vegan in

Norfolk says the can in -- the

sooner we realise the taste of food

isn't with a life of another

creature, the better. Craig says

vegans are hypocritical and

confused. We will talk more about

vegan activism later. Next we will

talk about Bruno Mars, a big winner

last night. Many attending wore

white roses, but perhaps one of the

highlights was celebrities reading

extracts from the book about Donald

Trump.

The longer it was left on,

the darker it got. Impatience

resulted in Trump's orange blonde

hair colour.

Trump did not enjoy his

own inauguration, he started to get

angry and hurt that stars were

determined to embarrass him.

He had

a long-time fear of being poisoned.

Our entertainment reporter

Chi Chi Izundu is here.

So the big winners?

Bruno Mars a

sickly, he got Best album, some of

the year, record of the year and it

was controversial because everyone

thought Kendrick Lamar, who came out

with a more politically focused

album, would get record of the year

or album of the year and he didn't.

So Bruno Mars walked away with six

Grammy awards under his belt and he

was very proud because he detailed

in an acceptance speech that he

remembers performing age 15 in

Hawaii and he didn't think this is

what his career would be. So Bruno

Mars I would have to say is the one

who swept the boards.

There was

criticism about women being

overlooked, wasn't there?

Yes,

because only 17 out of 86 awards

went to a woman. Melissa Kara won

best new, and she was the only

female to win the big prize. So

there was quite a lot of criticism.

Lily Allen last week was criticising

the Wireless festival for only

having three female performers over

three days so I think there will be

a lot of focus on what women do or

don't do or how they are recognised

within the entertainment industry

more and more.

And a lot of

performers wore a white rose to show

they were supporting the Me Too

campaign and there was a performance

from Keisha.

from Keisha.

Yes, heard track she

performed detailed the abuse she had

and she had other stars in the choir

like Lady Gaga, and they wore a

white rose to support the Me Too

campaign because they are here to

show they mean business and will no

longer being treated, as it has been

in the acting world, as pieces of

meat.

In terms of British award

winners, obviously Ed Sheeran.

Ed

Sheeran is taking over the world. He

got best pop album for his album,

Divide. He couldn't attend but he

did win that, and also won best

vocal for Shape Of You. He is loved

the world over, as you can imagine,

and about to get married so happy

man.

Right, Jay-Z didn't win

anything.

Yes, and that was

surprising because he was nominated

for eight awards. However there was

a brilliant moment which is sweeping

the internet and I don't know if

people have managed to see it of

Jay-Z and Beyonce, and sat between

them is their daughter, Blue Ivy and

she doesn't like the fact they are

applauding and that's them down so

people are saying she runs the

Carter household and her parents

have to pipe down and do what she

says effectively. We mustn't also

forget Jay-Z was in a spat with

Donald Trump. Jay-Z appeared on a

programme and called him a Super

Bowl for the way he treats

minorities. Donald Trump -- called

him a superbug. Donald Trump has

responded. Jay-Z said it is not just

about employment rates, it is about

the way he treats different

ethnicities.

Coming up: we are going to be

talking to people who have had

really devastating migraine

headaches. We will be looking at

whether a new self-management

programme will improve the

quality-of-life for people living

with those chronic headaches. And,

should misogyny be considered a hate

crime? I former women's minister

exclusively tells this programme I

she is seeking a change to the law.

-- why she is seeking. Time for the

latest news. Good morning. A man has

been charged with causing death by

dangerous driving in connection with

a crash that killed three teenagers

in west London for the second man is

being questioned after he handed

himself in after a police appeal for

the local people have left hundreds

of tributes of flowers and candles

at the crash scene. A new law

targeting online grooming has

uncovered what a children's charity

describes as the staggering extent

of abuse in England and Wales. The

NSPCC says 1300 cases of people

sending a sexual message to a child

were recorded in the first six

months of it being made a criminal

offence was the charity is calling

for ministers and social media

platforms to do more to tackle the

issue.

What we are calling for is

for technology already in use today,

whether to target ads against a

particular user or to track

extremist content. For that to be

applied is eminently usable for

nothing particularly futuristic or

challenging for social network

firms. We think they should act was

there as a role for government to

make sure social network firms to

act.

The pension fund deficit of

Carillion could be almost £1

billion. The Commons Work and

Pensions Committee has accused the

firm of trying to regard of

obligations to pensioners while

paying high salaries to executives.

Three years after it

was placed into special

measures, Rotherham Children

and Young People's Services has been

told it is no longer failing.

In 2014, a Public Inquiry revealed

that at least 1400 girls

had been sexually exploited by gangs

of men over a period

of 15 years, and the

Government took direct

control of the council.

The regulator, Ofsted,

has now rated the service as good,

but inspectors say some aspects

still require improvement.

Some British farmers have said

they can't sleep at night and feel

under attack by vegan activists.

Recently there've been protests

outside farms and abbattoirs,

and covert filming.

In most cases it's

peaceful and legal -

but some in the agricultural

industry say they facing regular

harassment and abuse.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

Fran says in 30 years' time we will

look back and be appalled at how we

routinely farmed and slaughtered

sentience beings to eat. If you

choose to eat meat, no how it

reaches your plate. Baby in tweets

this. As a vegan find it hard to

emphasise with the farmers claim

they cannot sleep or if you did not

mass slaughter animals he would

sleep easy. The techniques by

protesters are not effective and are

inflammatory. Thank you for those

that do keep them coming in.

Now for the sport.

Pep Guardiola has once again called

for his players to be protected

after they reached the fifth round.

Vegan scored the first with Raheem

Sterling scoring a second. City

could have a new centre half later.

The player could travel to England

later to move from athletic Bilbao.

The appointment of Phil Neville is

seen as unfair to other coaches. He

will hold his first press conference

in the role later on. After winning

his 20th grand slam, Roger Federer

admitted he overcame sleepless

nights and a raft of nerves before

beating Marin Cilic yesterday. At 36

he says age will not be a barrier

for success in the future.

It's been a weekend of turmoil

for the Conservative government

with Theresa May under fire

from some quarters over

both her leadership

AND about the negotiations

on Britain leaving the EU.

So, could she face

a leadership challenge?

Let's talk to normal.

A lot of pressure from Brexit

supporting MPs to deliver Brexit.

What has changed in the last week

also is the Brexiteers, who up to

now, stuck by Mrs May. She has had

to give quite a bit of ground for

the Wii have had to pay a divorce

Bill and have a two year transition

period where not much will change.

There have had to be compromises. By

and large they think she will

deliver Brexit. Now they are

nervous. These compromises are a

prelude to a sell-out. They are

beginning to think that you know

what, wouldn't we be better off with

someone else who might actually

deliver the sort of Brexit we want

rather than Mrs May, who they fear

could be going along the same lines

as the Chancellor, Phil Hammond, who

said in Davos last week that we are

only going to move very modestly

away from the EU? That is what

changed. The Brexiteers have been

her safety net. They have protected

her. Now they are getting a bit

anxious. Are they so anxious that

they might possibly think we need

another leader. We do not know the

answer yet.

Justine Greening has been defending

the Prime Minister this morning.

You

know when Prime Minister is in

trouble. Suddenly get a whole host

of ministers, former ministers,

coming out and saying, come on,

everyone, let's all behave. Let's

have a listen. This Matt Hancock

this morning.

Make sure that the

positive message gets out there.

OK.

That was a rather truncated Matt

Hancock. I think we have Justine

Greening. Perhaps you can hear what

she had to say.

I remain a strong

backer of the Prime Minister. So, I

have been very disappointed to see

the soundings off. They need to stop

and people need to get behind her

for that she is doing an important

job for our country we need to

support her in that almost

impossible task she negotiating

Brexit.

So, some support from

Justine Greening. It is not just

Brexit that is causing uncertainty

in turmoil for some it is a sense

that Mrs May is not doing much.

Beyond Brexit. There is a feeling

that government is drifting. There

is a lack of radicalism and the lack

of decisive leadership. Ahead of

that, the critics Mrs May are not

exactly overflowing with boldness

and decisive action themselves.

Today they have been sitting on

their hands. No one so far has dared

to break ranks and actually move to

take on the Prime Minister. As long

as that continues, Mrs May stays in

Downing Street.

A senior government

minister is in the spotlight for

comment she made in a what SAP

group.

We are getting an idea of how

tense emotions are over Brexit.

tense emotions are over Brexit. --

WhatsApp. The energy minister hit

back. She hit back in WhatsApp,

describing them as the swivel eyed

view who are mostly retired, elderly

men who did not have mortgages or

caring commitments. In other words

hitting out at the hardline

Brexiteers. That gives you a sense

of how fraught things are now within

the sort of conservative family over

Brexit.

Thank you very much. We will

speak to two Brexit supporting MPs

in the next hour of the programme.

Next, chronic headaches

and migraines which are so bad

they can completely knock you out.

It's estimated one in 30 of us live

with a headache disorder,

with some people experiencing them

15 times a month.

They're estimated to cost the UK up

to £7 billion a year

but there's little information

about why and how to stop them.

Now researchers from the University

of Warwick have told this programme

they are working on a study

which could help thousands of people

who experience them.

Let's talk to Dr Gemma Pearce,

who gets chronic migraines and has

been part of this trial.

Peter Williams also gets

migraines and for years

lived with excruciating attacks

of pain called cluster headaches.

And lead researcher on this

new chronic headaches trial,

Professor Martin Underwood.

Welcome all of you. Thank you for

coming onto the programme. Gemma, I

think it is probably worth by

starting with exposing how difficult

it is free to sit in this brightly

lit studio.

The bright lights for me

are definitely a potential trigger.

I'd brought my sunglasses along just

in case I needed to wear them for

the any time I go into a room, a

meeting, or a friend's how is, I

have to worry about whether it will

be too hot or too cold, what the

lighting will be like. I have to

worry about my environment and I

have to put in a lot of planning. A

lot of effort involved in doing

something social going to work that

a lot of others do not necessarily

have to do. Things last minute are

difficult for me.

difficult for me. Also, to change my

plans and sometimes I get a migraine

come on and had to cancel something

I have been looking forward to for a

long time does it can be very

difficult.

Describe the type of

headaches you are talking about.

I

have chronic migraine. With that,

for me, I get no ger. I get issues

with my digestive system. -- I get

no ger. Sometimes if I get a

migraine coming on, I cannot go near

onions cooking or the smell of

smoke. My pain levels intensified,

so, if you are sitting at a

computer, which I do for my job,

sometimes he would be sitting there.

If you normally get the neck pain or

something, if I have a migraine

coming on, that really intensifies.

It is about finding ways to cope

with that. For me, I had a really

bad flare and I was off work for

nine months. I couldn't get out of

bed. I couldn't lift my head up from

my pillow to drink water. I suffered

really badly from dehydration as a

result. It took a lot for me to

slowly bring it back so that I was

able to. I have now been back to

work for just over a year, thanks to

a lot of support from everybody.

I

will ask you in a moment how you

cope without really tense,

excruciating pain I want to bring in

Peter. Your own experiences of

migraines will also tell our

audience about this condition called

cluster headaches I don't think

people will necessarily have heard

about that.

It is a term that many

of who suffer do not like to use

because people dismiss cluster

headaches as just another headache.

It is nothing like that. Cluster

headaches are reckoned by many in

the medical profession to be the

worst naturally occurring pain that

human beings suffer. Professor Peter

goads B was on telly a month ago. He

described the pain of a cluster

headache as being worse than

childbirth, worse than being stabbed

but worse than breaking a leg and

worse than being shot. For cluster

headache sufferers, we get headaches

between two and ten times a day for

months, and sometimes for years,

without any break. It is a very

debilitating and dreadful condition.

When I am in a belt, I am episodic

rather than chronic. -- a bout. When

I am in a bout, I'm living in dread

of the next four or five hours

wondering when the next attack will

occur and wonder whether I will be

able to cope with this. It is the

cycle of fear and dread that makes

such a condition to live with. If

you are fortunate like me to have

been properly diagnosed and getting

treatment. Many of us do not get

diagnosed properly. GPs will not

prescribe the drugs to help us

manage the condition.

It sounds

absolutely awful. Many people will

have experienced bad headaches but

nothing like this. Martin Underwood,

you

want to find out more about these

headaches.

Hence the research trial.

The study we are doing is looking at

how we can help people live better

with chronic headaches. We are

largely talking about migraines and

chronic tension type headache for

people with tension and overuse

headache. I want to make a couple of

comments on cluster headaches for

that these are really, really awful.

Do not underestimate how bad they

are. One interesting thing we found

in the early part of the research we

did is that of the first 100 people

we went to to try and find out what

types of headaches they had had, to

of these people had undiagnosed

cluster headaches. -- two of these

people. There are things that can be

done to help these people if they

get the right diagnosis was that

they are not the ones we are

interested in in our study. We are

interested in those with chronic

headaches, those with headaches

affecting you 15 days a month for

more than three months. A lot of

these people will be getting

headaches every single day. A lot of

these people don't have a very good

diagnosis, they haven't got a good

diagnosis as to what is causing the

headaches and they are not getting

the best treatment for this.

What have you found so far?

You were

part of this trial,

part of this trial, weren't you,

Gemma?

Yes, there is nothing

specifically out there for chronic

headache, chronic migraine so for me

doing something that was specific to

migraine and learning about the

different ways to manage and

learning about the different

treatments available and

understanding when you go to the

doctor what kind of choices you have

and how the doctor may or may not

make their decisions, I found it

really useful.

Yes, because some

years ago I did some work developing

guidelines to help people manage

headaches better and what was

shocking was how little research

there was to help us tell people how

to manage their headaches better and

that's why we have developed this

research.

I will just read some

messages. "I Have been suffering

from migraines for six years now, my

work keeps disciplining me for

having time off". Lydia, "Things

that helped me get mine under

control include reducing painkiller

used to prevent medication overuse

headache"

used to prevent medication overuse

headache". Let's talk about

mechanisms.

mechanisms.

It's an important point

about medication overuse headache

because one of the things people

need to understand is if you get an

ordinary headache or and occasional

migraine, taking painkillers is very

good and will help you but if you

take those too often, for more than

10-15 days a month, it ends up

making your headaches a lot worse.

So what does help? Let's give people

some hope.

The first thing to do is

if you have medication overuse, stop

taking the tablets. What will happen

then is your headache will get worse

for a period of up to six weeks,

then for most people either it is

the same or better. The next thing

you need to do is get a correct

diagnosis for your headache. Within

the programme we are testing, which

is a group intervention, people come

with headaches, come together for a

couple of days to go through some

education work about understanding

the causes of headaches, different

types of headaches, dealing with

coping mechanisms and how to manage

these better.

Let's talk about

coping mechanisms finally, if we

make, Gemma.

So for me in order to

return to work I did have medication

overuse headache and had to come off

all the medications. That was a

difficult thing to go through, but

after that I saw a really good

neurologist and I'm now having Botox

treatments which is for people with

chronic migraine that don't respond

to some of the other preventative

medications. That was the reason I

have been able to return to work

really, along with some of the other

mechanisms such as planning my day

in a way that means I'm not rushing

from one meeting to another. I get

time to sit back and reflect, not

just rushing from one thing to

another. If I do that at work, I end

up going home with a migraine every

day and that was one of my issues

before. For me, a lot of it is well

is at home I have understanding

friends and family, really

understanding partner and that makes

a big difference. You certainly

realise who your friends are when

you are coping with a long-term

condition.

Karl says "I suffer with

chronic cluster headaches, up to 16

times a day. These are so bad I feel

like drilling a hole in my head. I

have been retired on health

grounds". Peter, your advice on

managing cluster headaches?

There is

a charity called Ouch UK that made a

big difference for me. I was

struggling to manage on a day-to-day

basis. They have a helpline I found

and the guy I spoke to gave me hope.

Before then I didn't know how I was

going to manage this, how I could

get through the rest of my life with

the dread of these attacks, but that

turned me around, plus the support

of my family. There's not much they

can do, but just their empathy and

understanding made a huge

difference. Now I have these auto

injector pens which I can take twice

daily. There is a limit because of

the effect they have on the heart

but many GPs won't prescribe them to

sufferers because the cost is over

£20 a time. Over a month that is

over 1000 pounds. Although the

recommendations are that people

should be prescribed an adequate

supply, many of us still cannot get

enough to manage our condition.

Without the support of GPs we are in

a blind alley with nowhere to go. We

need their help, their understanding

and we need to be prescribed what

helps us. Please!

Thank you, Peter

Williams, Dr Gemma Pearce and

Professor Martin Underwood.

A notorious loyalist

paramilitary commander turned police

informant is due to be sentenced

later for five murders and almost

200 more terror offences.

Gary Haggarty was a commander for

the UVF, the Ulster Volunteer Force,

in Belfast in the 1990s.

The UVF was one of the most active

unionist paramilitary groups.

It was responsible for more than 500

killings during the Troubles.

For 11 years, Haggarty was leading

a secret double life

as a police informant.

In June last year, after signing

a contentious supergrass deal,

he pleaded guilty to more than 200

offences, including

the murders of five men.

One of his victims, Sean McParland,

was shot dead by Haggarty

while baby-sitting his

grandchildren in 1994.

Three of his victims were shot dead

while eating lunch in their car

in Belfast city centre.

They were all Catholic workmen.

Haggarty also admitted

five attempted murders,

including against police officers.

He was given five life sentences,

but this is likely to be reduced

today because of the evidence he has

provided to the authorities.

However, the vast majority of people

named by Haggarty in his police

interviews won't face prosecution

because of a concern about a lack

of other corroborating evidence.

Let's talk now to Kieron Fox whose

father was murdered by Gary

Haggarty, and Roderigo Murray who

represented 13 of the families of

his victims.

his victims. -- Padraig. What are

you expecting today?

you expecting today?

Basically not

much, to be released and let go

free, live a new life with a new

identity over in England somewhere.

And how do you feel about that?

It

is hard to stomach how

is hard to stomach how he is

basically being rewarded for his

crimes.

crimes. With the perpetrator of that

murder being given a new identity to

live life as normal as hard to

stomach.

stomach.

Mr O'Murray, you have

represented the families of victims,

what are their feelings today?

It

was discovered there was widespread

collusion between the UVF and

police. There is a sense that

justice applies to some sections of

the community but not others. They

are far from satisfied today.

Some

will say if Gary Haggarty was able

to give information to the police

that could lead to the prosecution

of other hardened criminals, that is

worth it.

In this case information

was provided. We are nine years

from... Over 1000 interviews of Gary

Haggarty and yet the prosecution

service said they will not be

prosecuting any police officers and

it is highly unlikely that other, as

you call them, criminals or

loyalists will be prosecuted. The

families will be far from happy with

today's's outcome and there is still

a long road ahead.

Kieran Fox, you

were 18 when your father was killed.

He was in the wrong place at the

wrong time and just happened to be a

Catholic man, you have said. How did

your family deal with what had

happened?

We are still coping with

it, it is something you never get

over. It is always on the back of

your mind. Things he has missed out

on, christenings, birthdays. You

just get used to living that way.

You don't ever forget, you don't get

over things like this but life goes

on so basically there's no point in

dwelling on it. It's fun to -- going

to change -- not going to change.

We

are grateful for your time today.

Thank you for talking to us, Kieran

Fox and Padraig O'Muirigh.

Gary Haggerty is due to be

sentenced in the next hour.

Let's get the latest weather update

with Sarah Keith-Lucas.

Let's get the latest weather update

with Sarah Keith-Lucas.

We have rain through the central

slice of the country but brighter

skies returning in the north so here

is the view in county Antrim at the

moment. Lots of sunshine there. You

can see the rain clearing from

Northern Ireland, pushing across

north-west England and north Wales

where it is heavily at the moment.

Our second weather watcher picture

comes from Lancashire. It is not

just wet weather but windy weather

too in association with this front.

It pushes southwards and eastwards

over the country opening the door to

a north westerly airflow so-called

conditions piling in but sunshine to

compensate. This rain slowly pushing

south across southern parts of

England and Wales. The strongest of

the winds easing away towards the

south into the afternoon. This is

three o'clock, the rain sitting

across the Channel Isles, fairly

light and patchy but brisk winds up

towards Kent too. In England and

Wales return to the sunshine, lots

of dry weather although the

temperatures are only around 8

degrees. For much of northern

England, Northern Ireland and

Scotland, we have the showers piling

in, falling as snow over the higher

ground of Scotland. Into this

evening and overnight, we will keep

the breeze over Scotland but

elsewhere clear skies with the winds

falling light and it will be a much

colder night than last night. In

fact temperatures remaining just

about above freezing in towns and

cities but in the countryside we

could see minus three degrees. Some

frost and fog patches likely, but I

think a lot of dry, sunny weather,

particularly across central and

eastern parts of England and Wales

too. Drizzly rain in the south-west

of England later in the afternoon

and Scotland will see the arrival of

some heavy rains, combined with

melting snow so there could be some

flooding problems across the west of

Scotland. Temperature wise, cooler

than recent days with most in single

figures. On Wednesday the theme

continues, the colder theme, as this

front pushes southwards and

eastwards. The spell of rain

followed by blustery showers on the

north westerly breeze with

temperatures for most around four to

10 degrees. So things will be colder

but we will see the appearance of

sunshine mixed with some of those

showers. You can find a longer range

forecast on our website.

Hello.

It's Monday, it's 10 o'clock.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Our top story today...

A man is due in court

in connection with the deaths

of three teenage boys.

A 28-year-old man has been charged

with three counts of causing death

by dangerous driving.

Also on this programme...

British farmers tell us they are the

subject of death threats from

increasingly militant vegan

activists.

I do not take any issue with vegans.

What we do care about is

when it turns militant.

When you're being called murderers

and rapists, that is

overstepping the mark.

The first time I'd

ever come, I prepared

myself mentally for

seeing pigs on trucks.

What I hadn't prepared myself

for were the screams.

We will bring together a farmer and

a vegan activists in the studio in

the next hour.

A former Women's Minister

exclusively tells this programme

she supports changing the law

to prevent people inciting

violence against women

by using misogynistic language.

We will talk to her in the next hour

of the programme.

Good morning.

Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

Pension fund deficit of Carillion

could be almost £1 billion,

according to MPs, far higher than

first thought. The Commons Work and

Pensions Committee has accused the

firm of trying to regard out of its

obligations to pensioners while

paying dividends and high salaries

to executives. A man has been

charged with causing death by

dangerous driving in connection with

a crash that killed three teenagers

in west London. A second man is

being questioned after he handed

himself in after a police appeal.

Local people have left hundreds of

tributes of flowers and candles at

the scene of the crash. Our porter

is there.

Personal, heartfelt

messages from people who knew the

three boys who died and mementos of

their lives. Somebody left an Xbox

game the boys enjoyed playing the

plenty pictures of them in football

kit or mementos of the football team

say supportive. One heartfelt

message that caught my eye from a

friend who said, three of the

loveliest and nicest boys I have

ever known.

A new law targeting

online grooming has uncovered what a

leading children's charity has

described as the staggering extent

of abuse in England and Wales the

NSPCC says more than 1300 cases of

people sending a sexual message to a

child were recorded in the first six

months of it being made a criminal

offence. The charity is calling

former nesters and social media

platforms to do more to tackle the

issue.

What we are calling for is

technology that is already in use

today. Whether that is to target a

particular user or tackle extremist

content. There is nothing that is

particularly futuristic or

challenging for the social network

firms. We think they should act.

There is a role for government to

make sure social network firms do

act.

Culture Secretary Matt Hancock

said he is prepared to legislate

against social media companies.

We

are consulting on an internet safety

strategy, which is all about making

the UK the safest place in the world

to go online. We will consider

absolutely what the NSPCC has said.

I have seen the proposals and we are

thinking about them carefully.

Three

years afterwards placed into special

measures, rather children's and

young people services has been told

it is no longer failing. A public

enquiry revealed at least 1400 girls

have been sexually exploited by

gangs of men over a period of 15

years for the Government took direct

control of the council. Ofsted has

now rated the service is good but

inspectors say some aspects require

improvement.

improvement. Some British farmers

have said they cannot sleep at night

and have felt under attack by vegan

activists. In most cases it is

peaceful and legal but some in the

industry say they are facing regular

harassment and abuse.

Brima Mars and Kendrick

Lamar took most

of the prizes at the 2018 Grammy

Awards in New York last night.

Many celebrities walked the red

carpet wearing a white rose

to show their support

for the Times Up Movement.

During the event, victims

of the Manchester and Las Vegas

terror attacks were honoured.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

More at 10:30am.

And thank you for your comments on

our film to do with "To be is in

today. -- vegan activism today. This

one from him. I have been a vegan

since the mid-80s. I had been many

marches and demonstrations and I

have been attacked myself. I detest

violence of any kind for top protest

marches highlighting cruelty and

abuse and raising awareness is

brilliant. When it turns to violence

I want no part in a full if we start

being violent and making death

threats that is as bad as the

perpetrators of violence towards the

animals it does not help the cause

or the animals themselves.

I do not think we should stop

livestock farming. Surely activists

realise if we did stop livestock

farming there would not be fields of

cows, sheep and pigs. We just need

better conditions for the animals.

This e-mail from Harry. I have no

problem with anyone he chooses a

vegetarian or be given lifestyle as

long as they respect my right to eat

meat. -- vegan. It affects farmers

and workers in the food chain and it

is wholly an acceptable.

Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning.

Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE.

And, if you text,

you will be charged

at the standard network rate.

Here's some sport now.

Well, it was a weekend

of football that again raised

a number of talking points,

with Manchester City boss

Pep Guardiola once again calling

for players to be protected

from nasty challenges.

His side were in their familiar

dominant form yesterday,

coming past Championship

side Cardiff City.

A brilliant free-kick

from Kevin de Bruyne put City

in front before a rare headed goal

from Raheem Sterling made it 2-0.

Why DL is now possibly without

winger Leroy Sane for up to a month.

They have to do their job. They are

there to protect the players. If it

is dangerous, it is dangerous. That

is what it is.

Phil Neville will make his first

public appearance today

since becoming the head coach

of the England women's

football team.

A week after his surprise

appointment, and the revelations

of historical sexist tweets

by the former Manchester United

player in which he joked

about domestic abuse, among other

things, Neville has the daunting

task of facing the world's media.

He doesn't have necessarily their

credentials or the job requirements

that were initially put out there.

What he does bring something and

England manager has never brought,

which is wealth of international

experience, a wealth of experience

of playing under pressure. Imagine

at half-time in the dressing room,

the girls are 1-0 down in the

semifinal of a World Cup, he could

say, I have had a similar situation

and this is how I dealt with it and

this is the result.

You spend years

honing a CV, paying thousands of

pounds to do your badges. When a job

as advertised you want to know you

have a fair chance at that job. To

have somebody parachuted in the last

moment through the old boys network

is very unfair.

Let's hope he's not

coaching penalties for that lets

move to tennis.

There doesn't seem to be any end

to brillance of Roger Federer -

he hit a landmark yesterday

becoming the first man to

20 Grand Slam singles titles coming

past Marin Cilic in five sets.

It was his emotional reaction

afterwards that took

the headlines really.

The 36-year-old said

he could barely sleep in the build

up to the match and that nerves

played a part in the sets he lost.

He took the silverware out

into Melbourne earlier today

and reflected on the win.

A bit confused it is all over and I

was able to do it. I reached number

20, number six here. It is a lot. A

lot trying to take it in. Last year

I felt more straightforward. It was

disbelief, I could not believe it

happened. There I was waking up with

the trophy. This year it seems more

surreal. I cannot believe I was able

to defend my title.

Fantastic

achievement from the 36-year-old was

he said age is not an issue moving

forward. More to come from the great

Roger Federer. Hallow, good morning.

Welcome to our programme.

British farmers tell this programme

they can't sleep at night

and feel under attack by some vegan

activists who call them rapists

and issue death threats.

Concerns over animal welfare

and a desire for a healthy lifestyle

has seen veganism

grow in popularity.

There are now well over half

a million vegans compared to 150,000

ten years ago,

with many more committing to go

meat and dairy free this

month for veganuary.

But some animal rights campaigners

believe they can save even more

animals through vegan activism such

as holding regular protests outside

farms and abbattoir.

In most cases, it's

peaceful and legal

but farmers say they're also facing

regular harassment and abuse.

Our reporter, Amber Haque,

has spent time with one vegan group

called the Save Movement,

which says it has a non-violent

approach to campaigning.

We brought you her

full report earlier.

Here's a short extract.

There is no doubt the Guinness is

one of the fastest-growing

lifestyles.

lifestyles. Vegans do not eat or use

any animal product or dairy for the

most ever believe we should not kill

animals at all. A new group is the

Save movement. They spent weeks

outside slaughterhouses stopping of

animals when they are killed. Some

protesters took the opportunity to

take it a step further and

trespassing on property.

trespassing on property.

You are on

private property. Get off the land.

It got really heated.

It got really heated. You could hear

the

the pigs screaming. We wanted to

acknowledge the fact they deserved

respect at the end of their lives.

The National pig Association tells

this programme that battling vegan

activism is one of the main

challenges for 2018.

I don't take

any issue with vegans, but I care

when it turns militant. You get

people spraying graffiti. That is

when individuals feel threatened and

it is not OK. You do get death

threats, which is quite ironic.

What

is going on in there is extreme and

what is happening with these animals

is extreme. The public will be

helping us stop those trucks and

trespassing as well.

trespassing as well.

You can see

that online on the BBC News website.

Do send us your views as well.

Let's speak to Earthling Ed,

a vegan activist and Instagram star,

Paul Tomkins, a farmer who gets

called a 'rapist' hundreds of times

a week on Twitter by vegans.

And Dr Jude Capper,

dairy industry campaigner

and a former vegan herself.

Thank you for

talking to us. What we saw in the

film where peaceful, non-violent

action by the Save movement. They

were not committing any criminal

offences, where they?

They won't.

Sadly, this is the sort of language

that, as a dairy farmer I am being

exposed to every day on my farm. I

milk cows on my farm. The majority

of the time. The very nature of

farming means we are an open,

transparent way of life as we had to

look over a hedge or stone wall to

see what we are up to. Also farmers

are engaged in social media as well.

One of the vulnerabilities we have

as a result of having footpath

across our land and crap like I say,

just the other side of the hedge,

means we are vulnerable to this sort