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Hello.

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It's Friday, it's nine

o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley.

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Welcome to the programme

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The number of men dying in Britain

from prostate cancer has overtaken

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the number of women killed by breast

cancer for the first time.

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It really is time to get behind this

and realise that we need to get

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on top of it now because it's just

going to become more

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common and kill more men

if we aren't able to do that.

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We'll be speaking to two men

who have the disease and also talk

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to an expert who will tell us

what symptoms men should

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be looking out for.

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Theresa May is on her way back from

her trade trip to China. She is

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under ever increasing pressure from

her own party to do a much better

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job of leading. We will be speaking

to Tory MPs.

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I'm not a quitter -

I'm in this because there is a job

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to be done and that's delivering

for the British people and

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the future prosperity of our country

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Choosing civil partnership over

marriage, we speak to a heterosexual

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couple fighting for a civil

partnership, the problem is they are

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only available to same-sex couples.

This is being debated in the House

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Of Commons today. Should the law be

changed to allow it to be available

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for everyone?

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Hello.

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Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning.

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We'll be talking

about prostate cancer.

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The number of men dying from this

has now overtaken the number

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of women dying from breast cancer

for the first time in Britain.

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We'd like to hear from you.

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Are you suffering

from prostate cancer?

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Or maybe someone in your family?

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Or have you survived it?

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Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning.

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Use the hashtag #VictoriaLive.

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And if you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate.

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Our top story today.

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Theresa May has insisted

she is delivering what the British

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people want on Brexit,

despite persistent criticism

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of her approach from within

the Conservative Party.

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The Prime Minister has ended

a three-day trade visit to China

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in which Downing Street

says £9 billion worth

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of deals have been signed.

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Speaking in Shanghai to the BBC's

political editor Laura Kuenssberg,

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Mrs May rejected the idea

that she had to choose

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between maintaining close ties

to the EU, or making

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a cleaner break.

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It is important that we deliver

what people want, which is control

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of our money, our

borders and our laws.

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It's exactly what we are doing.

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What I am showing in China is how

we can ensure that we actually

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enhance our trade with the rest

of the world as well.

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Why do we want to do that?

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It is good for people in Britain,

it's good for jobs in Britain.

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Prime Minister, can you stay on?

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Because people are asking you again

and again to be clearer

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about your priorities.

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How long can you stay

on, do you believe?

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Well, let's be very clear about this

- I've set out what my vision is.

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I have set out and I have said

to people that at every stage

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where we can fill in

the detail, we will do so,

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and that is exactly...

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But how long can you stay on?

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The idea that we have to have -

that we are about to complete

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the negotiation with

the European Union on our future

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relationship is wrong.

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We are just at the beginning

of the process of negotiating

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with the European Union.

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So we will be out there ensuring

that the deal we get delivers

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on what the British people want.

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That's what this is about.

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And I know that what the British

people want as well is good jobs

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for themselves and their children,

and that is why it is important

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for me to be here in China

where businesses have been signing

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deals, selling more UK products,

great UK products, into China,

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ensuring there are more jobs

for people in the UK.

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Do you want to be the Tory leader

at the next general election?

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Well, I have been asked this

on a number of occasions.

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I've said very clearly

throughout my political career

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I have served my country

and I have served my party.

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I am not a quitter.

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I am in this because there

is a job to be done here,

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and that's delivering the British

people and doing that in a way that

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ensures the future

prosperity of our country.

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Global Britain, global

Britain is a real vision

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for the United Kingdom.

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I want the British people to see

a Government that is delivering

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for them around the world,

and that is exactly

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what we are doing.

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Our viewers see day

after day the Tory Party

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fighting amongst themselves.

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How do you reassert your authority?

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I am doing what the British people

want, which is delivering on Brexit

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but also getting out around

the world ensuring that we bring

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jobs back to Britain.

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Companies will be selling more great

British products to China

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as a result of this trip.

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There will be more people in jobs

in the UK as a result of this trip.

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That's global Britain in action.

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Prime Minister, thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Let's speak to Iain

Watson at Westminster.

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Theresa May saying she is not a

quitter, people at Westminster?

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They are not necessarily overly

chuffed. The Prime Minister has some

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animation to say this is why she

should be carrying on -- ammunition.

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She has called it a global Britain.

A confident nation going forward.

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She doesn't yet have a confident

party. I have been speaking to MPs,

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candidates, business people about

her position on the home front. Some

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people are concerned, some MPs want

to set a date for her departure from

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Downing Street. She said she wasn't

a quitter. The question she was

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asked was whether she would lead the

party into the next general election

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and she sidestepped that. Some would

like to see her go sooner, local

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councillors think they fared badly

and will fare badly in local

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elections in May triggering her

stepping down. Others feel let down

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she is blocking rather than

delivering radical change. It is

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against that backdrop.

Downing Street would say this is a

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Prime Minister delivering, in China,

on trade deals, and will do the same

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with the EU. If that happens, then

that feeding frenzy will abate.

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Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

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of the rest of the day's news.

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The number of men dying in the UK

from prostate cancer has overtaken

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the number of women killed by breast

cancer for the first time.

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The charity Prostate Cancer UK says

advances in diagnosis

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and treatment of breast cancer have

paid off and similar benefits

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could be seen if more money

was allocated to the fight

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against prostate cancer.

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Here's our health

correspondent Dominic Hughes.

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Prostate cancer does

not discriminate.

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Last year, keen runner Tony Collier

discovered he had the disease

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while training for an ultramarathon.

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His diagnosis was late,

and he knows cancer will eventually

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take his life, so Tony

is using the time he has left

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to warn other men about the dangers.

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I think it's really important

that people are aware

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of what the symptoms

are and I would actually urge men

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to talk to their doctors,

if they have any

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urinary issues at all.

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My issue is that I didn't

actually have any symptoms

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and they think I had the cancer

for ten years beforehand.

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More men are living to an age

where they have a greater chance

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of developing prostate cancer.

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So, in 2015, more than 11,800 men

died of the disease,

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compared with just over 11,400

deaths in 2015 due to breast cancer.

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And while the proportion

of people dying from

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prostate cancer, the mortality rate,

has fallen in the past decade,

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down by 6%, the decline in deaths

from breast cancer has been

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even greater, at more than 10%.

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It is time to get behind this

and to realise that we need to get

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on top of it now because it

will just become more common,

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and it is actually going to kill

more men, if we are not able

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to do that.

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Tony has joined those calling

for increased funding for research

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and the development of a reliable

prostate screening programme,

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so the gains seen in the fight

against breast cancer can be matched

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in the fight against

the disease that he knows

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will eventually claim his life, too.

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The NSPCC has accused the Government

of "dragging its feet" when it comes

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to protecting children online.

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The charity says ministers have

failed to implement half

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of the recommendations made

in a report which was

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commissioned a decade ago.

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MPs say they are planning

a voluntary code as part

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of the Internet Safety Strategy.

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Sarah Campbell reports.

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This is the online generation.

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Over the past decade the internet

and its use has expanded rapidly.

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Instagram, Snapchat and WhatsApp

didn't even exist in 2008.

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Back then, Professor Tanya Byron

was asked by the then

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Prime Minister to look

into children's safety online.

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Ten years on, the NSPCC

says less than half

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of the recommendations have

been put into place.

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A UK Council on Child Internet

Safety was established.

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Video games now have

to have an age rating,

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but the charity says there's been no

improvement to parental controls

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for games consoles and no code

of practice is yet in place

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for the online industry.

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The Government has really

dragged their feet in implementing

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recommendations from what was

a landmark report ten years

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ago by Professor Byron

that was supposed to be

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a comprehensive package

to keep children safe.

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Those measures haven't

been acted on and is

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clearly essential that

now

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we do see the Government take steps,

in particular introducing a code

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of practice and an independent

regulator to make social

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networks keep children safe.

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The Government says it does intend

to introduce a voluntary code

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of practice for social media

networks and it says

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changes to the law will also be

considered to compel companies

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to reduce the risks their

science pose to children.

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Health leaders have written

to the Justice Secretary urging him

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to reform the pay-out system

for negligence claims

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against the NHS.

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They say the NHS would have

to pay up to 365 billion

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if all current claims

were successful.

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The Government says it is looking

at measures to control

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costs in such cases.

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A shooting by a 12-year-old girl

at a Californian school is thought

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to be unintentional,

according to police in Los Angeles.

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The girl has been

charged with "negligent

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discharge of a firearm"

after the incident

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left five injured.

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A 15-year-old boy who was shot

in the head, and a 15-year-old girl

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who was shot in the wrist,

are both in a stable

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condition and are expected

to make a full recovery.

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Police investigating

the death of Hollywood star

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Natalie Wood 37 years ago

say her husband Robert Wagner

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is now being treated

as a "person of interest".

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The actress was found dead

after going missing from a yacht off

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the coast of California.

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Our Los Angeles correspondent

James Cook reports.

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Natalie Wood was a Hollywood

superstar with three Oscar

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nominations when she died suddenly

in 1981 at the age of just 43.

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Her body was found floating

in the water off the coast

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of California near the yacht

on which she was sailing

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with her husband Robert Wagner,

co-star Christopher Walken

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and the boat's captain.

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Initially, the death was ruled

an accident, but the inquiry

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was reopened in 2011.

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Police now say that two

new witnesses have corroborated

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accounts of a fight

between Mr Wagner and Ms Wood

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on the night she disappeared.

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Detectives say it appears

she was the victim of an assault

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and they believe her husband

was the last person

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to see her alive.

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Police say Robert Wagner has

refused to speak to them

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since the case was reopened.

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They've not declared the death

a murder and no charges have been

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filed against the actor.

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He is now 87-years-old

and has not commented

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on the latest developments.

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All 955 workers from a gold mine

in South Africa have been safely

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brought back to the surface.

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They had been trapped underground

since Wednesday night

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when a thunderstorm brought down

power lines, cutting electricity

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to the mine's lift systems.

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South Africa is a leading gold

producer, but safety in the industry

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is often questioned.

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That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

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More at 9.30.

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Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning.

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Do you think straight couples should

be allowed to have a civil

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partnership?

We will be talking to a

couple who want a civil partnership,

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they have been together 26 years.

But they can't do it.

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Use the hashtag #VictoriaLive.

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Let's get some sport with Hugh.

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And we start with the Women's Super

League, and it's not great news

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for the new England head coach?

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Yes, it was a big big game in the

Women's Super League last night -

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Chelsea missed the chance to go

to the top of the table,

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but they did end leaders'

Manchester City's 100% start

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to the season.

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The match ended in a

goalless draw so not much

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action for new boss Phil Neville

to mull over, but he will be

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concerned to see his goalkeeper,

City's Karen Bardsley hurt

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after a heavy fall.

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Bardsley was sent to hospital

for X-rays on her left shoulder

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after the incident which came just

two minutes into the game.

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She has gone off to hospital to be

checked, she has a little bit of

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pain in her arm and shoulders but

she is talking and she seems OK and

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in good spirits. We will trust the

medical team to carry on from there.

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It meant just a week

after 18-year-old Ellie Roebuck

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signed a professional contract,

she got her chance in goal

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and pulled off some great saves,

keeping a clean sheet.

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These were the pictures she tweeted

upon signing that contract.

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Neville also saw City and England

captain Steph Houghton limp off

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with what looked to be an Achilles

injury so not the best

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preparation for Phil Neville -

his first match is a tough one

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against France in a month.

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And last night we had the start

of rugby league's Super League -

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and an early exit for the Warrington

captain, but he wasn't sent off.

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Yes, and it's a great time of year -

I'll be watching our local side

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here Salford take on Wigan tonight,

but things kicked off

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with Grand Final winners

Leeds Rhinos, who made the trip

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to Warrington Wolves.

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The excitement was clearly

too much for some.

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Warrington captain Chris Hill,

on the left here,

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had to leave the game early

after his wife went into labour -

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congratulations to them on the birth

of their little girl.

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Unfortunately Hill was absent

as England winger Ryan Hall provided

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the highlight with two tries

on the night, helping Leeds

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Warrington captain Chris Hill,

on the left here,

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to a 16-12 win on the night.

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Elsewhere Hull FC began

their campaign with a six-try

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win over Huddersfield.

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And there is some more live

sport to come today,

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as Great Britain's men begin

their Davis Cup campaign with a tie

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against Spain in Marbella.

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They'll be without the British

Number two Kyle Edmund,

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who misses out after picking up

a hip injury in the semi-final

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at the Australian Open.

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Andy Murray is a long

term injury casualty,

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and with Dan Evans suspended it

means Liam Broady and Cameron Norrie

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will be flying the flag.

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Broady will take on Albert

Ramos-Vinolas, who's

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ranked 144 places higher.

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There's no pressure on ulcer, and

I'm just going to focus solely on

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myself and see of Albert can handle

what I have to offer -- no pressure

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on us, and I'm just going to focus.

He will have to play has a game

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because I'm not going anywhere.

A

great opportunity to play in Spain

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away on the clay. I couldn't be more

thankful for the opportunity and

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just pumped to show the world what I

can do.

A big day to come for both

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of those men.

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You can follow the action on the BBC

Red button from 9:45,

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or from 1pm on BBC Two.

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Back to you, Chloe. Thanks, Hugh. We

will carry on speaking to you

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throughout the morning.

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For the first time, the number

of men dying from prostate cancer

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has overtaken the number of women

dying from breast cancer.

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That makes prostate cancer the third

biggest cancer killer in the UK

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behind lung cancer and bowel cancer.

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Figures released by Prostate Cancer

UK reveal that just over 11,800

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men die from prostate cancer

every year in the UK

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and the charity is calling for it

to get the same attention

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and resources as breast cancer.

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Lets talk now to Kevin Webber

who was diagnosed with terminal

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prostate cancer in 2014,

Phil Kissi who was diagnosed in 2006

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and has now recovered,

Catherine Stewart

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who lost her husband to prostate

cancer in 2011, and Caroline Moore

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a consultant urologist from UCL.

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Thank you all for coming in to speak

to us this morning. Kevin, I want to

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speak to you first of all, because

with prostate cancer there is often

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no symptoms are very few symptoms.

Did you have any?

Yes, I had to get

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up in the night for wee, and that is

what you call a prostate wee, when

0:17:420:17:47

you go to the toilet bursting for

the loo, and then it only lasts

0:17:470:17:54

about four seconds, so it is your

prostate telling you something is

0:17:540:17:56

wrong.

Where you much aware of it?

Even though my father had it my

0:17:560:18:02

doctor never told my father to tell

me that increased my risk, so I

0:18:020:18:05

wasn't aware.

So you have this

crushing diagnosis, four years ago?

0:18:050:18:11

Three years ago.

Three years ago.

What does that go you?

I don't think

0:18:110:18:16

anything prepares you to be told you

will only lead to for two more

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years, which is what I was told. My

wife and I both just burst into

0:18:200:18:24

tears, the normal reaction, I would

think, but then when I started

0:18:240:18:28

chemotherapy a couple of years later

I realised I had a choice, to either

0:18:280:18:31

give up on everything ought to live

my life still.

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my life still. I went out for a run.

My wife said I can't, but I did, and

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since then I haven't stopped.

We

will talk about some of your ultra

0:18:420:18:45

marathons which are pretty

incredible, but at this point I want

0:18:450:18:47

to bring in Phil. Did you have any

symptoms, back in 2006?

Not at all.

0:18:470:18:51

It was back in October 2005 I saw a

programme about prostate cancer, and

0:18:510:18:57

I thought, what is prostate? I had

never heard what a prostate was

0:18:570:19:02

before, until then. After the

programme the key message I got from

0:19:020:19:07

that was about going to your doctor

and getting tested, so I

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straightaway went to my doctor, got

tested, and my doctor then referred

0:19:110:19:15

me to the hospital. I had a biopsy

and I found I had aggressive cancer,

0:19:150:19:23

so the clock was ticking

straightaway, and I wanted to live,

0:19:230:19:27

I didn't want to die. At that time,

as you said earlier on, I didn't

0:19:270:19:32

want to be one of those statistics,

from the 11,000 dying, one every 45

0:19:320:19:37

minutes. I didn't want to, I had

lots to do in my life. I then went

0:19:370:19:42

through the operation and it was

very challenging, I had to ensure

0:19:420:19:48

that everybody in my family,

friends, loved ones, knew what I was

0:19:480:19:53

going through. And also, not to be

scared. It was quite important not

0:19:530:20:00

to be scared or be shy to talk about

it. So once I had that operation and

0:20:000:20:06

I went through the recovery, people

knew what I was going through, and

0:20:060:20:11

also getting my regular checkup

until I was signed off, and as you

0:20:110:20:15

see today I am here.

Well, Caroline,

I want to bring you in, because two

0:20:150:20:23

dies here talking about, yes,

symptoms, sometimes yes, sometimes

0:20:230:20:30

no -- two guys here. But that

message, it sometimes isn't getting

0:20:300:20:34

through. Why is that?

I think that

one of the difficulties is not

0:20:340:20:39

everybody has symptoms. As we heard

from Phil, some men just get their

0:20:390:20:44

blood tested and find out. I think

we need more of a message that men

0:20:440:20:51

who are at high risk, so black men

and men with a family history of

0:20:510:20:55

prostate cancer, they should get

tested early. The other difficulty

0:20:550:21:00

is that the tests we used to use

ten, 15 years ago, they are not as

0:21:000:21:08

accurate as the tests we have today,

so it is good news we have more

0:21:080:21:11

accurate tests including MRI that

people can come forward and get.

For

0:21:110:21:18

you, Catherine, to lose your

husband, were you aware of prostate

0:21:180:21:22

cancer? Was your husband aware

before his diagnosis?

Very vaguely,

0:21:220:21:27

and exactly the same as this

gentleman here, he used to get up in

0:21:270:21:32

the night. We had an ensuite

bathroom so I hardly walk up when he

0:21:320:21:36

used to do that. We used to stay in

a big old cranky house with the

0:21:360:21:41

toilet two flight up and December

with Snow outside, and I suddenly

0:21:410:21:45

realised he was getting up in the

night with freezing cold feet, and I

0:21:450:21:51

marched into the doctor the next day

and our GP was very good -- we

0:21:510:21:54

didn't live in an ensuite -- with an

ensuite bathroom. The warning bells

0:21:540:22:00

went off in my head and it was

picked up very quickly, it was quite

0:22:000:22:04

aggressive, and it was downhill from

there, but a bit like you. We had a

0:22:040:22:09

very positive outlook on it and we

just got on with living life in the

0:22:090:22:12

fast lane, I think.

And important

for you now to get the message out

0:22:120:22:17

there for men, because I guess one

of the problems, and maybe I am

0:22:170:22:21

being unfair, and you can correctly,

but blogs are not too good at

0:22:210:22:25

talking about things, well, anything

vaguely implement or about emotion

0:22:250:22:29

or feeling are worried?

I think you

are dead right. It is the natural

0:22:290:22:35

image, it is about -- it is the

macho image, oh, that is not the

0:22:350:22:43

sort of thing I talk about, but I

think is the public get to know more

0:22:430:22:47

of the information on prostate

cancer, they know if you go to your

0:22:470:22:52

doctor and get tested early, you

could be one of those people that

0:22:520:22:56

are saved today and I think that is

the message we have to get out

0:22:560:22:59

there. Early testing, and we need

more research. And talking about

0:22:590:23:03

more research, we are doing a

campaign in March, and it is

0:23:030:23:14

Glasgow, Nottingham, Bristol,

London, Manchester. And we want

0:23:140:23:16

people to sign up to this.

0:23:160:23:22

people to sign up to this. It is 2K,

4K, 10K, and it is so important we

0:23:240:23:27

get funds to do more research around

the prostate Cancer agenda and

0:23:270:23:29

programmes like this give us

platform to speak to the general

0:23:290:23:33

viewers.

Kevin, what do you make of

this?

Yes, quite right. I am one of

0:23:330:23:38

the people quite happy talking about

things, as my friends know, so I am

0:23:380:23:44

absolutely honest about it and there

are no questions that are bad

0:23:440:23:46

Christians. A great story for me, a

client of mine at work who I

0:23:460:23:53

actually talked to quite a lot went

a bit quiet on me, and I thought

0:23:530:23:57

maybe it was a surprise for them

when I had prostate cancer, and he

0:23:570:24:01

later phoned me up and said he had

read one of my blogs, he had

0:24:010:24:05

symptoms, went to the doctor, had

prostate cancer, and because he went

0:24:050:24:09

early to the doctor he was cured and

he felt he couldn't phone me up

0:24:090:24:12

because I was going to die and he

felt embarrassed about that, but I

0:24:120:24:16

said, to make me feel I have done

something good, it is an amazing

0:24:160:24:19

feeling, and I hope Edessa Mackie

talks now to a lot of men, and

0:24:190:24:27

joining the fight for Prostate

Cancer UK, signing up to marches and

0:24:270:24:30

doing things, it is a massive

difference -- I hope that man talks

0:24:300:24:34

to a lot of people now. People see

it as a man's disease, but ask my

0:24:340:24:38

wife and kids that? They have to see

me go downhill, far worse for them.

0:24:380:24:45

That is why as a female I think

important for us to bang the drum,

0:24:450:24:49

and because we are more able to talk

about these things. The number of

0:24:490:24:52

men at dinner parties, who I have

sat next to, you know, I don't get

0:24:520:24:56

invited any more!

LAUGHTER

0:24:560:24:59

But it is what we have to do.

We

have been sent so many messages,

0:24:590:25:03

people getting in touch with us

about this. An e-mail from Sharon.

0:25:030:25:07

My father was diagnosed with

prostate cancer in 2007 and the

0:25:070:25:12

living years on he is still under

what the NHS called watchful

0:25:120:25:15

waiting, so his cancer is still

within the prostate and requires no

0:25:150:25:19

intervention. My issue with this is

dad's cancer has changed during this

0:25:190:25:23

time, that his reviews are cancelled

or postponed. A worry that an ever

0:25:230:25:31

straining NHS means he will fall

through the net and it will be too

0:25:310:25:33

late for. This is presumably your

worry as much as it is the people

0:25:330:25:36

affected by the disease hit

personally? It is about funding as

0:25:360:25:40

much as about awareness?

That's

right because once a man comes

0:25:400:25:43

forward for testing, we want to make

sure he is able to get the most

0:25:430:25:48

effective tests, wherever he is in

the country. And that is not

0:25:480:25:52

differing by hospital or by which

consultant you see, but that we have

0:25:520:25:56

national standards for doing the

best tests.

I just want to read a

0:25:560:26:01

couple more messages before we talk

about your ultra marathons which are

0:26:010:26:05

quite incredible. Text. I was

diagnosed with prostate cancer in

0:26:050:26:09

March 2016, had no symptoms as such.

It was caught early enough and I had

0:26:090:26:13

keyhole surgery and code myself very

lucky, also due to the diligence of

0:26:130:26:17

my doctor and I will be ever

grateful. Roger e-mailed to say he

0:26:170:26:23

was diagnosed with prostate cancer

back in 2013, aggressive and

0:26:230:26:26

invasive. The count was 1741,

astronomically high. Didn't have any

0:26:260:26:32

classic symptoms, wasn't frequently

going to the loo, I am taking

0:26:320:26:37

medication and my numbers are

controlled. Leading a normal life at

0:26:370:26:41

the moment, get a bit tired but I am

71 so not all that surprising. Good

0:26:410:26:45

to hear Roger is coping. One way

you're coping with your diagnosis of

0:26:450:26:50

terminal cancer is to do some

incredible ultra marathons.

I always

0:26:500:26:54

ran a bit but not that much and I

entered the Brighton Marathon before

0:26:540:26:59

I was diagnosed, and when I started

chemotherapy I asked if I could

0:26:590:27:03

actually run a

0:27:030:27:08

actually run a marathon, my

oncologist, and he said no but I did

0:27:110:27:14

it anyway, run the London Marathon

two weeks later on chemotherapy,

0:27:140:27:16

then I set myself...

How did you do

that, seriously? I know people who

0:27:160:27:18

have been on chemotherapy and it is

just utterly training, physically

0:27:180:27:21

and mentally.

It is a bit but

because I had something to look

0:27:210:27:23

forward to, reason to get out of bed

every day, to go and train, and the

0:27:230:27:27

buzz of the marathon is fantastic,

if you're healthy. If you are ill it

0:27:270:27:31

is even better. When I crossed the

finish line I got a better buzz than

0:27:310:27:35

anyone will add London this year,

because I never thought it was

0:27:350:27:38

possible,

0:27:380:27:48

to do something you didn't think was

possible yourself is amazing. So the

0:27:510:27:54

following year I thought I can't ask

people to sponsor me again running

0:27:540:27:56

just a marathon again, so I ran one

across the Sahara, 250 colour

0:27:560:27:59

matters, carrying everything on your

back for a week. At that, loved it,

0:27:590:28:02

did that again the next year, did a

few more races, 15 marathons in 15

0:28:020:28:05

days, and ultramarathon in Iceland,

and in four weeks' time I am off to

0:28:050:28:07

the Arctic for the Arctic Ultra, 350

miles nonstop across the Arctic

0:28:070:28:12

cooling a sledge. I have reached

temperatures of -- tempters of about

0:28:120:28:17

-40, had a cold, then two weeks

later back to the day has owed for

0:28:170:28:21

the Sahara again, but it keeps me

alive, keeps me buzzing, makes

0:28:210:28:25

people aware, gives a profile,

people sponsor me, so all those

0:28:250:28:28

things are so important and I don't

expect everyone to run ultra

0:28:280:28:32

marathons like I can, but just sign

up for these marchers, walking the

0:28:320:28:37

2K, it makes a massive difference.

Incredible story. Blown away -- sign

0:28:370:28:41

up for these marches. Thank you all.

Still to come, Theresa May back from

0:28:410:28:51

her three-day trip to China but what

of which are back home? She is under

0:28:510:28:54

pressure from her own party to do a

better job of leading. We will be

0:28:540:29:00

speaking to Tory MPs. Former

gymnastics coach of the US Larry

0:29:000:29:04

Nassar is thought to have

0:29:040:29:15

Nassar is thought to have abused

more than 265 victims. He's already

0:29:150:29:19

been sentenced to 165 years in jail.

We'll hear from one of the lawyers

0:29:190:29:24

of the victims before ten o'clock.

Time for the latest news with

0:29:240:29:29

Annita.

0:29:290:29:39

It is important that we deliver

what people want, which is control

0:29:450:29:48

of our money, our

borders and our laws.

0:29:480:29:50

It's exactly what we are doing.

0:29:500:29:51

What I am showing in China is how

we can ensure that we actually

0:29:510:29:55

enhance our trade with the rest

of the world as well.

0:29:550:29:58

Why do we want to do that?

0:30:030:30:05

It is good for people in Britain,

it's good for jobs in Britain.

0:30:050:30:13

There have been violent clashes

between migrants in Calais. Four

0:30:230:30:29

Eritreans migrants are in critical

condition after being shot in

0:30:290:30:34

clashes with Afghan asylum seekers.

0:30:340:30:39

Health leaders have written to the

0:30:400:30:45

-- Health leaders have written

to the Justice Secretary urging him

0:30:450:30:48

Secretary urging him

0:30:480:30:49

to reform the pay-out system

for negligence claims

0:30:490:30:51

against the NHS.

0:30:510:30:52

They say the NHS would have

to pay up to 365 billion

0:30:520:30:55

if all current claims

were successful.

0:30:550:30:56

The Government says it is looking

at measures to control

0:30:560:30:59

costs in such cases.

0:30:590:31:00

The NSPCC has accused the Government

of "dragging its feet" when it comes

0:31:000:31:03

to protecting children online.

0:31:030:31:04

The charity says ministers have

failed to implement half

0:31:040:31:06

of the recommendations made

in a report which was

0:31:060:31:08

commissioned a decade ago.

0:31:080:31:09

MPs say they are planning

a voluntary code as part

0:31:090:31:12

of the Internet Safety Strategy.

0:31:120:31:20

loads of you getting in contact

regarding our story about prostate

0:31:280:31:34

cancer. We have had a tweet from Tom

who is 26, he says the biggest

0:31:340:31:41

embarrassment is getting checked.

Jeff says by e-mail, if GPs do not

0:31:410:31:46

perform the appropriate tests or

refer you, then the system fails. I

0:31:460:31:52

have had symptoms other two years

before by GP preferred me. GPs are

0:31:520:31:59

discouraged from referring to

hospital.

0:31:590:32:01

Tim says men ignore symptoms. There

is an assumption seemed a GP will

0:32:010:32:08

result in misdiagnosis or wasting

time.

0:32:080:32:10

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

0:32:100:32:17

Eddie Jones has named his team to

face Italy in their opening Six

0:32:170:32:21

Nations match in Rome on Sunday.

Their centre has been preferred to

0:32:210:32:26

Jonathan Joseph.

0:32:260:32:31

Jonathan Joseph. Alex Hepburn should

make his debut from the bench.

0:32:320:32:35

Karen Bardsley was taken off after

just two minutes in the women's

0:32:350:32:45

Super League. She has had x-rays on

her left shoulder.

0:32:450:32:51

And in the Super League, Ryan Hall

seen here scoring twice. And Lee

0:32:510:33:02

Brody goes into the opening day of

the Davis Cup tie in Marbella,

0:33:020:33:07

shortly.

0:33:070:33:10

Theresa May is on her way back

from China after a three-day visit.

0:33:100:33:13

But it's been a tricky week.

0:33:130:33:15

As the Prime Minister tries to keep

the different factions

0:33:150:33:18

in her party onside over Brexit,

she's also come under pressure

0:33:180:33:21

from some of her own MPs to do more

at home and regain control

0:33:210:33:24

of the political agenda.

0:33:240:33:25

So how can she do that?

0:33:250:33:28

And how long can the irreconcilable

differences over what

0:33:280:33:31

the Conservatives want post-Brexit

Britain to look like continue?

0:33:310:33:35

In a moment we'll speak to two

of the party's MPs but first

0:33:350:33:39

let's take a look back

at the Prime Minister's week.

0:33:390:33:44

You can't put the date on how long

has she got.

She is the Prime

0:33:440:33:48

Minister.

Sorry to interrupt. By using the

0:33:480:33:54

phrase, the window is closing, you

are thinking about a time frame.

0:33:540:33:58

You can feel in politics when people

are extremely popular like they were

0:33:580:34:03

going into the election, you can

feel when that starts to wane. It is

0:34:030:34:08

not about saying Theresa May has a

certain amount of time. A change in

0:34:080:34:14

leadership is absolutely not what is

required going through Brexit the

0:34:140:34:19

negotiations.

What concerns me is a hard-core of

0:34:190:34:23

Brexiteer MPs who appeared to refuse

to offer any support unless she

0:34:230:34:28

delivers Brexit as they interpret

it. They are doing their utmost to

0:34:280:34:32

undermine our Chancellor, to force

him out and resign, that is not

0:34:320:34:38

acceptable. I hope Theresa May will

come out firmly behind Philip

0:34:380:34:42

Hammond, point out they are worried

great team at the top of the

0:34:420:34:46

Conservative Party, and make it

clear she leads the party and will

0:34:460:34:49

set the direction of travel and not

be bullied.

0:34:490:34:54

I tend to disagree with the

Chancellor on many things but on

0:34:540:34:57

this issue he seems to be

disagreeing with Government policy,

0:34:570:35:01

the Conservative Party manifesto.

This is a real trouble for the

0:35:010:35:07

Government. The history of chances

being in opposition to prime

0:35:070:35:10

ministers is not a good one or

encouraging.

0:35:100:35:14

The Prime Minister is carried out a

very complex and difficult

0:35:140:35:18

negotiation, she needs the support

of all of her party, the support of

0:35:180:35:23

everybody in Britain as she goes

about this task. It is in our

0:35:230:35:27

interests we get the best possible

deal with the EU and that is what

0:35:270:35:32

the Prime Minister is determined to

deliver.

0:35:320:35:34

I don't think anyone should be

sacked people should be able to have

0:35:340:35:41

opinions and voice them, that is all

that is happening.

0:35:410:35:44

The Conservative Party which I have

worked very hard over my lifetime to

0:35:440:35:48

put that in a position to be

Government, must offer to the

0:35:480:35:53

country a big plan for the future,

big ideas, big vision, whether it is

0:35:530:35:59

transforming schools in the north of

England, a plan to engage with the

0:35:590:36:03

rest of the world, or a form of

Brexit which is not as economic

0:36:030:36:07

league damaging as some forms

proposed.

0:36:070:36:14

Let's talk about that

with Sir Bill Cash,

0:36:140:36:18

a leading supporter

of Brexit for many years.

0:36:180:36:20

Katy Balls

0:36:200:36:23

who's a political correspondent

at the Spectator magazine.

0:36:230:36:26

And with us from his

Essex constituency is

0:36:260:36:27

Conservative MP Rob Halfon.

0:36:270:36:34

I have like to find your assessment

of the Prime Minister's week, she

0:36:340:36:39

has been in China for trade talks,

with ceremony people discussing

0:36:390:36:43

whether she should stay or go.

I would describe the promised a bit

0:36:430:36:49

like Zebedee from the Magic

roundabout. She is resilient. I do

0:36:490:36:54

not support people who say she had

to go, it is right we support a

0:36:540:36:58

sitting Prime Minister. We need to

be much more radical in our policy

0:36:580:37:03

making and focus on five big

challenges, skills, housing, the NHS

0:37:030:37:09

the cost of living, social

injustice, things the Prime Minister

0:37:090:37:15

inspired many when she stood on the

steps of Downing Street. Her policy

0:37:150:37:20

making can be taught is like and she

needs to be more like a lion, be

0:37:200:37:24

radical, clear with the message our

party is a ladder of opportunity,

0:37:240:37:30

offering hope to people to climb

that ladder for jobs, security and

0:37:300:37:37

prosperity.

Bill, how would you assess her week?

0:37:370:37:39

Robert is right in looking at the

question of housing, the health

0:37:390:37:45

service and so on. But you need the

money to pay for it. It is my belief

0:37:450:37:51

that actually the Brexit process

will lead us as we have seen from

0:37:510:37:56

China, with the £9 billion trade

deal, into a situation where we can

0:37:560:38:01

generate income to pay for the

public services. A very positive

0:38:010:38:06

vision. The EU doesn't work. Massive

youth and implement, up to 50% in

0:38:060:38:12

some EU countries. The position is

Brexit is about regaining our

0:38:120:38:19

sovereignty, our borders, and also

having a massive opportunity. The EU

0:38:190:38:26

doesn't work for us all for them.

Going outside into the rest of the

0:38:260:38:31

world, global trading, is the

future.

0:38:310:38:36

Isn't this the problem? You have the

two sides of the Conservative Party

0:38:360:38:39

with their own agenda wanted to be

made happy by Theresa May.

0:38:390:38:45

She can't win. I don't think there

is any clear option, she will upset

0:38:450:38:49

one part of the party. It is worse,

the Brexit side who want specific

0:38:490:38:57

things, the Remain side pushing for

a Customs Union. And last week there

0:38:570:39:02

is anger at the lack of domestic

agenda, like Nick

0:39:020:39:11

agenda, like Nick Boles,...

Went Theresa May stood in Downing

0:39:120:39:19

Street talking about opportunity,

helping people who need a leg up in

0:39:190:39:24

society, that has been brushed

aside, it is Brexit will stop no, it

0:39:240:39:29

isn't.

Other things are going on. In terms

0:39:290:39:33

of the health service, more money

has been put in. What I am arguing

0:39:330:39:40

for is to get the Brexit issue, the

biggest issue facing this country

0:39:400:39:45

for generations, we were in the EU,

we thought it would work, some voted

0:39:450:39:52

yes in 1975. We concluded it didn't

work. The British people were given

0:39:520:39:56

the chance to govern themselves.

That is the big picture. We had to

0:39:560:40:01

push it through, we have the

Withdrawal Bill, the bottom line is

0:40:010:40:07

the House Of Lords looks like it

won't oppose it. So, get on with it

0:40:070:40:13

but also have a very positive

vision.

0:40:130:40:17

The opportunities are huge.

Talking

about positive vision, should the

0:40:170:40:24

Prime Minister be saying, I will be

talking about the NHS, housing,

0:40:240:40:30

things people can relate to. Banging

on about Brexit, many people are

0:40:300:40:37

frustrated and bored.

Brexit is important but my huge

0:40:370:40:40

concern is we are not talking about

these other issues. We should be

0:40:400:40:45

thinking of radical solutions on

housing, using the extra monies

0:40:450:40:50

raised from cutting corporation tax

to redistribute to build social

0:40:500:40:55

housing and affordable housing for

those in overcrowded accommodation.

0:40:550:40:58

We have the march of the robots,

jobs will be taken over by

0:40:580:41:04

artificial intelligence, we need to

rocket boost skills and spend money

0:41:040:41:09

on that, and reform technical

education and universities. We need

0:41:090:41:14

a new NHS tax, a conversation about

how much should be spent on the NHS

0:41:140:41:18

above the real terms increase. We

have deep social injustices, so many

0:41:180:41:24

who take free school meals who don't

get good GCSEs, children excluded.

0:41:240:41:38

The Prime Minister made it her

mission when she got to Downing

0:41:380:41:43

Street, of course Brexit will always

be there, but it is like Groundhog

0:41:430:41:47

Day. I thought that was a fairy

tale. Now every day on the radio,

0:41:470:41:52

Groundhog Day is true, hearing about

Brexit. I say to the Prime

0:41:520:41:57

Minister...

Hang on a minute. Basically, all the

0:41:570:42:04

objectives you set out are right,

Robert. The problem is, you want to

0:42:040:42:09

have your own laws to make the

changes needed. You need the money.

0:42:090:42:15

I am not disagreeing. I am saying

you have to get the priorities

0:42:150:42:19

right. This is the greatest issue of

our generation, about who governs

0:42:190:42:24

us.

The EU has never worked for us.

You have made that point. There is

0:42:240:42:30

another problem. There is no

majority for the Conservatives, they

0:42:300:42:35

are working in a hung parliament.

That restrained what they can do for

0:42:350:42:40

domestic policy. With the snap

election manifesto, some ideas

0:42:400:42:45

weren't popular, they had to be the

end. The core of Government plans

0:42:450:42:53

has been stripped out. Brexit is the

most obvious thing to replace it.

0:42:530:42:57

All this talk about...

Hang on. About finding a

0:42:570:43:08

Hang on. About finding a new leader,

the issue is I don't think that the

0:43:090:43:14

main things won't change. Even with

a more charismatic leader, the issue

0:43:140:43:18

is there is no majority.

It is true we don't have a big

0:43:180:43:24

majority, that is a constraint. If

the prime Minster had said these are

0:43:240:43:28

the five things I want to change for

our country, I will do everything I

0:43:280:43:32

said when I got into Downing Street,

even if we lose votes in parliament,

0:43:320:43:37

it doesn't matter because the public

would see us doing the right thing.

0:43:370:43:42

Let us make the argument, stand up

for all the things we believe in,

0:43:420:43:45

skills, housing, NHS, cost of

living, social justice, and go out

0:43:450:43:54

there.

I would say one thing, the last

0:43:540:44:00

thing the country needs is Jeremy

Corbyn and his Government. That is

0:44:000:44:06

another factor we haven't mentioned.

In this context with Brexit and

0:44:060:44:12

these options, it is important we

focus on the kind of things Robert

0:44:120:44:15

is mentioning but also with a

slender majority, it is true, the

0:44:150:44:21

fact is we have to stick together in

order to be able to deliver it.

0:44:210:44:26

But it is not working. We have seen,

three sides of the party is arguing.

0:44:260:44:35

Argument is one thing, votes is

another.

0:44:350:44:39

Almost every week we seem to be

having conversations about whether

0:44:390:44:43

Theresa May can survive. That can

only go for a period because it is

0:44:430:44:46

distracting.

The sorry thing is it can go on for

0:44:460:44:51

a long time.

Rob has won Groundhog Day, this is

0:44:510:44:56

the second. The alternatives is

undesirable. It is the lack of

0:44:560:45:04

discipline, people calling for

Philip Hammond to be sacked. It

0:45:040:45:11

seems to be Theresa May doesn't have

control of her Cabinet.

0:45:110:45:15

I understand in the context of the

Westminster bubble that is the case

0:45:150:45:20

but when it comes to votes we have

been winning all the time,

0:45:200:45:23

consistently. That demonstrates the

fact when push comes to shove, we

0:45:230:45:29

are having arguments, it would be

surprising in this context if there

0:45:290:45:36

weren't differences. But I think a

grown-up approach is to concentrate

0:45:360:45:42

on getting things sorted out. My

European scrutiny committee is

0:45:420:45:47

looking at the transition period.

Let us have a grown-up discussion.

0:45:470:45:52

It involves a lot of differences.

Thank you.

0:45:520:45:59

A 12-year-old girl is in custody

after a shooting at a school

0:46:020:46:05

in Los Angeles injuring five people.

0:46:050:46:06

It's thought that the girl fired

the gun accidentally.

0:46:060:46:09

We'll have an update

from a reporter in LA before 10.

0:46:090:46:17

A boy was shot in the head and is

described as critical but stable.

0:46:170:46:24

Brenda Gazza from the Los Angeles

News has been following the story.

0:46:240:46:29

We know a 12-year-old girl was

arrested on Thursday and she was

0:46:290:46:32

booked for negligent discharge of a

firearm. After two students were

0:46:320:46:39

shot at this middle school in

central Los Angeles. All students

0:46:390:46:43

who were wounded by gunfire, won a

15-year-old boy shot in the temple.

0:46:430:46:50

He, miraculously, is going to be OK,

they believe, and another girl who

0:46:500:46:54

was shot in the wrist. A classroom

at this middle school called

0:46:540:47:01

Salvador Castro Middle School. Both

were taken to hospital and is

0:47:010:47:06

thought they will -- both are going

to survive and they will be fine,

0:47:060:47:10

which is great news, and we know

that the girls take into account a

0:47:100:47:14

juvenile facility, booked on

suspicion of negligently discharging

0:47:140:47:18

a firearm, meaning they don't

believe it was intentional, and she

0:47:180:47:22

is expected to be charged soon.

Three other people were injured with

0:47:220:47:26

minor injuries, they were not shot,

including two children, and we are

0:47:260:47:35

waiting for details about how this

12-year-old girl was able to get

0:47:350:47:39

this garden, how she got it, how she

was able to bring an on-campus.

0:47:390:47:55

That was going to be

my next question.

0:48:100:48:12

Is it clear whether it was the girl

who brought the gun into the school

0:48:120:48:16

or whether the gun was somebody

else's in the school?

0:48:160:48:18

At this time, we do not know

where she got the gun.

0:48:180:48:21

It's a great question,

how she got the gun.

0:48:210:48:23

It isn't clear at this point.

0:48:230:48:25

We are still waiting to hear

from authorities exactly

0:48:250:48:27

where she got it and how she brought

it on campus.

0:48:270:48:29

I was reading a little bit earlier

on, there were some reports

0:48:290:48:32

suggesting from a student

who was in the classroom

0:48:320:48:34

at the time, that the girl had

thought the weapon was a toy gun.

0:48:340:48:38

If that something that

you've also heard?

0:48:380:48:39

I saw that same television report

of a little boy being interviewed,

0:48:390:48:42

saying that they all thought

it was a toy gun.

0:48:420:48:45

Authorities have not commented

on that yet, at least to us,

0:48:450:48:47

so at this stage we do not know.

0:48:470:48:49

But the fact that she was booked

for negligent discharge of a firearm

0:48:490:48:52

could mean anything,

so we are waiting to hear.

0:48:520:48:55

It's very possible that she did

think it was a toy gun

0:49:030:49:06

but we don't know that for sure.

0:49:060:49:07

We only had one child at this point

on television saying that.

0:49:070:49:10

And the details of the gun.

0:49:100:49:12

This was a handgun, was it?

0:49:120:49:13

That's right.

0:49:130:49:15

It was some kind of firearm.

0:49:150:49:15

I'm sorry, I don't have the details

on exactly what kind of gun it was.

0:49:150:49:19

Just remind people here in the UK -

to hear that a 12-year-old girl has

0:49:190:49:23

by accident shot people in a school

is so shocking for us,

0:49:230:49:26

but we of course know

that the number of shootings that

0:49:260:49:28

sadly happen at schools in the US,

this is sadly a problem

0:49:280:49:31

that is lived with in your country

day in, day out.

0:49:310:49:34

Yes, unfortunately, it seems

we are hearing these

0:49:340:49:36

incidents more and more.

0:49:360:49:40

In fact, this was reported to be

the 14th school shooting so far

0:49:400:49:43

this year in the US,

which seems very shocking

0:49:430:49:46

since we have only had

a month of the year so far.

0:49:460:49:53

Because of course it is not just

schools we are talking about,

0:49:530:49:56

we are talking about university

and college campuses.

0:49:560:49:58

This seems like a widespread

problem, isn't it, in the US?

0:49:580:50:04

It does seem that way.

0:50:040:50:07

Every time there is a mass shooting,

whether it's at a school,

0:50:070:50:10

campus or in a mall,

it does renew the gun debate,

0:50:100:50:13

so I'm expecting that

will happen again.

0:50:130:50:14

And whether any significant gun

control legislation will be

0:50:140:50:16

introduced remains to be seen.

0:50:160:50:24

That was Brenda Gazzar speaking to

me a little earlier on from LA.

0:50:320:50:42

Larry Nassar - the former gymnastics

coach who has been exposed

0:50:420:50:45

as a prolific paedophile.

0:50:450:50:48

His victims have said

they're "overwhelmed

0:50:480:50:49

by the truth of his abuse."

0:50:490:50:50

Nassar gave medical treatment

to hundreds of girls and abused

0:50:500:50:53

and manipulated them.

0:50:530:50:54

There are now more than 265 victims.

0:50:540:50:56

Questions remain over whether the

gymnastic world allowed into

0:50:560:51:02

continuing that allowed him to

continue abusing.

0:51:020:51:08

Questions remain whether

the gymnastics world

0:51:090:51:10

allowed him to continue abusing

and whether his victims

0:51:100:51:12

were not believed.

0:51:120:51:13

Many are now suing Nassar and

the other institutions they accuse

0:51:130:51:16

of ignoring early allegations.

0:51:160:51:17

I would like to say something

to my abuser, Larry Nassar.

0:51:170:51:20

You took advantage of my

innocence and trust.

0:51:200:51:22

You were my doctor.

0:51:220:51:23

Why?

0:51:230:51:24

I ask myself that question

all the time, especially while I'm

0:51:240:51:26

lying in bed crying myself to sleep.

0:51:260:51:28

What you did to me was twisted.

0:51:280:51:30

You manipulated me

and my entire family.

0:51:300:51:31

How dare you?

0:51:310:51:33

No one should ever do

that and if they do,

0:51:330:51:35

you should tell someone.

0:51:350:51:36

Well, Larry, I'm here, not to tell

someone but to tell everyone.

0:51:360:51:39

He's going to jail for

the rest of his life.

0:51:390:51:41

We on the other hand

are going to move forward.

0:51:410:51:45

We are going to live our best lives

because we are fighters

0:51:450:51:51

and we are strong.

0:51:510:51:53

Well, Rajini Vaidyanathan has been

following the trial for us.

0:51:530:51:55

She explained why Larry Nassar

was back in court again.

0:51:550:51:58

Yes, well, basically this

is the second sentencing hearing,

0:51:580:52:00

because he pled guilty to seven

counts in one county and then

0:52:000:52:03

three counts in another.

0:52:030:52:06

That's why there are two different

sentencing hearings,

0:52:060:52:09

but the total number of women

who now say that they were sexually

0:52:090:52:12

abused by Larry Nassar

is a staggering 265,

0:52:120:52:17

I think, so it has certainly gone up

since the first sentencing hearing

0:52:170:52:22

I was at in Lansing, Michigan,

just over a week ago,

0:52:220:52:24

where there were just over 150

women who came forward

0:52:240:52:27

sharing their story.

0:52:270:52:28

So it really is staggering,

and of course they believe that that

0:52:280:52:31

number could be far far higher.

0:52:310:52:32

Rajini, I know you have followed

this case so closely.

0:52:320:52:34

You sat through so many of those

incredibly brave and powerful

0:52:340:52:37

testimonies by those women,

who were just children

0:52:370:52:39

at the time of the abuse.

0:52:390:52:47

For people who haven't followed

it as closely as you,

0:52:470:52:49

give us a sense of some of those

stories and the bravery

0:52:490:52:52

of those women.

0:52:520:52:53

Well, I think what was really

outstanding being in the court

0:52:530:52:57

is at the beginning

of this sentencing hearing...

0:52:570:52:59

So Larry Nassar had already pled

guilty to seven counts in that

0:52:590:53:02

particular case of child -

criminal sexual conduct,

0:53:020:53:04

should say - and so as part

of the sentencing hearing,

0:53:040:53:07

at the beginning about 90 women said

that they were going to deliver

0:53:070:53:10

testimony sharing their stories

as part of that sentencing process,

0:53:100:53:12

but by the end of it

156 women came forward.

0:53:120:53:20

Day by day in the court room

more women said, "No,

0:53:200:53:23

I want to with my anonymity,

I want to share my story."

0:53:230:53:26

But what is so unusual

about all of this is it is very rare

0:53:260:53:29

to see survivors of sexual abuse

with their anonymity, first of all,

0:53:290:53:32

and second of all stand in court,

and then stand in court only a few

0:53:320:53:36

meters away from the

man who abused them.

0:53:360:53:38

Let's talk now to Casey Copp -

he is a student

0:53:380:53:41

at Michigan State University and has

been leading protests

0:53:410:53:43

against the staff there about how

the survivors have been treated.

0:53:430:53:48

We were also top to wreck who has

been following the case for Michigan

0:53:480:53:53

public radio -- we will also

0:53:530:53:59

public radio -- we will also speak

to Rick Pluter, who has been

0:54:000:54:02

following the case for Michigan

public radio.

0:54:020:54:05

First of all, Casey, say something

about the gravity that has her --

0:54:050:54:17

the gravity of what has happened.

Yes, a lot of these people at the

0:54:170:54:21

university were highly respected and

a lot of people trusted them, and

0:54:210:54:25

with each detail that comes out it

seems to be that everyone was acting

0:54:250:54:30

very inappropriately, and it is very

unfortunate because we have all kind

0:54:300:54:34

of just been devastated with each

day of these trials, something new

0:54:340:54:40

comes out each day, and different

media outlets find different scary

0:54:400:54:44

details, and it has just been very

tense around here because each day

0:54:440:54:50

we wake up expecting something you

bad to come out about our

0:54:500:54:56

university, and the administration

has handled this whole case frankly

0:54:560:55:01

very badly, so we as students have

felt that we needed to rise up in

0:55:010:55:06

whatever way we can assure the

community that we stand with sexual

0:55:060:55:10

assault survivors and we will not

tolerate our university

0:55:100:55:13

administration the

0:55:130:55:19

administration the case so poorly.

Rick, I want to bring UN. It is

0:55:190:55:24

worth pointing out our viewers in

the UK that Larry Nassar was a

0:55:240:55:28

former University of Michigan

physician and that is why it has

0:55:280:55:31

affected the university so much. Is

there a sense of your reporting in

0:55:310:55:34

the story that many people were

turning a blind eye, or they simply

0:55:340:55:38

didn't know that it was going on?

Yes, the issue here, and there are

0:55:380:55:46

multiple investigations, and we have

a state Attorney General

0:55:460:55:52

investigation, we are expecting

congressional hearings, there are

0:55:520:55:57

lots of other inquiries going on,

and the issue here isn't so much

0:55:570:56:02

that people seemed to know, but that

people didn't ask questions after

0:56:020:56:10

athletes who were patients of Larry

Nassar complained that they had been

0:56:100:56:15

molested, that they had been

assaulted, and like you said turned

0:56:150:56:19

a blind eye.

Do you think that this

is a game changer in sport now? That

0:56:190:56:28

athletes will not only be protected

more, but also believed, because

0:56:280:56:31

that was a big thing, wasn't it?

These girls, these young women, they

0:56:310:56:37

were not believed.

An unanswerable

question at this moment, but a

0:56:370:56:43

critical one because that is what a

lot of people are wondering, and not

0:56:430:56:48

just at Michigan State University

but a lot of big universities and

0:56:480:56:51

colleges, they are wondering whether

or not this is going to be a change

0:56:510:56:56

in sports culture where, you know,

that high-ranking university

0:56:560:57:06

officials have to be aware of what

is happening because the issue here

0:57:060:57:13

isn't whether or not people knew

what was going on so much as whether

0:57:130:57:17

or not they actually followed up

when students, when patients

0:57:170:57:23

complained.

Is that your view as

well, Casey?

Yes, because it has

0:57:230:57:29

been proven that the university

president knew about potential

0:57:290:57:33

problems with Doctor Nassar two

years before he was eventually

0:57:330:57:36

dismissed, and when those details

come out that is when we, as

0:57:360:57:40

students, have been demonstrating

our very just anger at our

0:57:400:57:48

administration's lack of doing

anything regarding Doctor Nassar.

0:57:480:57:52

But I think it is an important

distinction that the president who

0:57:520:57:56

has since resigned was not aware

specifically about Doctor Nassar -

0:57:560:58:03

she was that one of MSU's doctors

was being investigated, and what we

0:58:030:58:11

don't know is why she didn't know

specifically witch doctor, and why

0:58:110:58:15

she wasn't informed, at least

according to what we have been told

0:58:150:58:18

so far -- with which Doctor.

I

appreciate you both taking the time

0:58:180:58:26

to speak to us, thank you.

0:58:260:58:28

Let's get the latest weather

update - with Simon King

0:58:280:58:33

- called with the possibility of

0:58:340:58:35

- called with the possibility of

snow? Yes, as you will see in just a

0:58:350:58:38

moment there is an increasing threat

of some snow -- cold with the

0:58:380:58:45

possibility of some snow. Some

lovely sunrise pictures from our

0:58:450:58:48

weather watchers and blue sky

moments in Staffordshire, Abbot of

0:58:480:58:52

cloud here and there, but on the

hall for most of us this morning it

0:58:520:58:55

has been dry and also fairly bright.

We do have a few showers around and

0:58:550:59:02

those are affecting eastern and

western coasts but elsewhere they

0:59:020:59:05

are few and far between.

Lincolnshire, perhaps at times in

0:59:050:59:11

East Anglia, the south-east, a few

showers down here, and also

0:59:110:59:15

Cornwall. Unlike yesterday where we

had quite a few wintry showers into

0:59:150:59:20

Scotland, a much nicer afternoon in

terms of more sunshine, drier

0:59:200:59:23

weather, lighter winds. More in the

way of cloud moving into Northern

0:59:230:59:27

Ireland, making the sunshine here

later on. We will see a bit more in

0:59:270:59:30

the way of cloud across eastern

areas as well. Really for most of us

0:59:300:59:35

lighter winds and temperatures about

four, five, six Celsius, and it

0:59:350:59:40

might feel that little bit more

pleasant out and about. Through this

0:59:400:59:44

evening and into the night, it will

turn quite cold quite quickly with a

0:59:440:59:47

bit of frost developing. Out towards

the west that band of rain will

0:59:470:59:51

gradually push eastward. And as it

does so it will start to turn to a

0:59:510:59:56

bit of sleet and snow over the

higher ground of Scotland and

0:59:560:59:59

northern England and we will have

quite a complicated mixture of rain,

0:59:591:00:03

sleet and snow during Saturday and a

lot of snow over higher ground even

1:00:031:00:07

down to low levels for a time you

can see wet snow, some sleet, and

1:00:071:00:10

staying quite cloudy and wetter

times, and it will feel cold

1:00:101:00:17

throughout. Drier weather on

Saturday across eastern areas.

1:00:171:00:23

Through into Sunday, the weather

front bringing that wet weather

1:00:231:00:25

doesn't really move very far. It

will stick around. It will weaken

1:00:251:00:29

because it will be drier but we will

have an easterly wind developing

1:00:291:00:33

across south-eastern parts and that

will bring in a few showers towards

1:00:331:00:36

the far south-east of England,

nothing too much at this stage but

1:00:361:00:40

for most of us Sunday is a dry day,

brighter day towards northern and

1:00:401:00:44

western parts but it will feel cold

once again. I mentioned that

1:00:441:00:47

easterly wind and that will still be

with us through the early part of

1:00:471:00:51

next week, then we have cold air

coming in from the West as well. As

1:00:511:00:56

you can see into Mandy and next

week, it will be cold, in fact

1:00:561:01:00

colder than it is at the moment with

that increasing risk of some snow

1:01:001:01:05

and of course some overnight frost

as well, so winter certainly isn't

1:01:051:01:08

over yet. Bye-bye.

1:01:081:01:14

Good morning.

1:01:151:01:16

It's ten o'clock.

1:01:161:01:17

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

1:01:171:01:24

Immunotherapy is seen as one of the

most promising cancer treatments. We

1:01:241:01:30

hear from one patient who says it

saved her life.

1:01:301:01:33

Theresa May is on her way back

from her three-day trade trip

1:01:331:01:36

to China but what awaits

her back home?

1:01:361:01:38

She's under ever-increasing pressure

from her own party to do a much

1:01:381:01:41

better job of leading -

we'll be speaking to Tory MPs.

1:01:411:01:43

I'm not a quitter -

I'm in this because there is a job

1:01:431:01:47

to be done and that's delivering

for the British people and

1:01:471:01:49

the future prosperity of our countr

1:01:491:01:55

And we'll hear from the heterosexual

couple fighting for

1:01:551:01:57

a civil partnership.

1:01:571:02:01

They say it's not fair that's only

available to same sex couples.

1:02:011:02:05

The issue is being debated

in the House of Commons today -

1:02:051:02:08

so should the law be changed to make

it available for everyone?

1:02:081:02:15

In this day and age the state

is having a comment on how people

1:02:161:02:19

arrange their private sexual lives

which we don't think is right.

1:02:191:02:22

In many other groups where other

civil rights types of cases came

1:02:221:02:25

on programmes like this and said

we want to live the lives we want,

1:02:251:02:29

the question wouldn't be why do

you want to do that, it would be how

1:02:291:02:33

can we help you achieve that?

1:02:331:02:36

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

1:02:361:02:40

Theresa May has attempted to brush

off criticism of her leadership

1:02:401:02:44

and approach to the Brexit

negotiations, insisting

1:02:441:02:46

she will secure a deal

with the EU that "delivers

1:02:461:02:48

what the British people want."

1:02:481:02:50

She was speaking at the end

of a trip to China,

1:02:501:02:53

during which questions

about her future as Prime

1:02:531:02:55

Minister have persisted.

1:02:551:03:03

I have said very clearly I have

served my country and my party.

1:03:041:03:08

There is a job to deliver for the

British people and do that in a way

1:03:081:03:14

which ensures the future prosperity

of our country. Global Britain is a

1:03:141:03:19

real vision for the UK. People want

a given -- want a Government

1:03:191:03:27

delivering around the world.

Our viewers see the Tory Party

1:03:271:03:32

fighting amongst itself, how do you

reassert your authority?

1:03:321:03:36

I am doing what the British people

want, delivering on Brexit. And

1:03:361:03:41

ensuring we bring jobs back to

Britain. Companies will be selling

1:03:411:03:46

more Jewish products as a result of

this trip, more people will be in

1:03:461:03:51

jobs. That is global Britain in

action.

1:03:511:03:55

Two army helicopters have

crashed in southern France,

1:03:551:03:57

killing at least five people.

1:03:571:03:58

Emergency services are still

at the scene of the accident -

1:03:581:04:01

which happened in the Var region

around 30 miles north-west

1:04:011:04:03

of St Tropez.

1:04:031:04:04

Both helicopters belonged

to a military flying school,

1:04:041:04:06

which trains pilots for the army

and other military services.

1:04:061:04:08

Investigators say it's not clear

what caused the crash.

1:04:081:04:16

A man who carried out a far right

terror attack driving a van into a

1:04:161:04:20

crowd of Muslim worshippers outside

a mosque in north London is due to

1:04:201:04:25

be sentenced today. Darren Osborne,

from Cardiff, ran down people

1:04:251:04:29

outside the Finsbury Park mosque. He

was convicted of murder and

1:04:291:04:37

attempted murder yesterday at

Woolwich Crown Court.

1:04:371:04:40

The number of men dying in the UK

from prostate cancer has overtaken

1:04:401:04:43

the number of women killed by breast

cancer for the first time.

1:04:431:04:46

The charity Prostate

Cancer UK says advances

1:04:461:04:48

in diagnosis and treatment of breast

cancer have paid off

1:04:481:04:50

and similar benefits could be seen

if more money was allocated

1:04:501:04:53

to the fight against

prostate cancer.

1:04:531:04:58

Health leaders have written

to the Justice Secretary urging him

1:04:581:05:00

to reform the pay-out system

for negligence claims

1:05:001:05:02

against the NHS.

1:05:021:05:06

They say the NHS would have

to pay up to £65 billion

1:05:061:05:09

if all current claims

were successful.

1:05:091:05:10

The Government says it is looking

at measures to control

1:05:101:05:13

costs in such cases.

1:05:131:05:19

The Government is facing criticism

for failing to implement adequate

1:05:191:05:21

safeguards for children online.

1:05:211:05:24

In 2008, the Byron Review,

commissioned by Gordon Brown,

1:05:241:05:26

put forward 38 recommendations

on internet safety.

1:05:261:05:27

The NSPCC says fewer than half

have been implemented.

1:05:271:05:30

Ministers say they are planning

a voluntary code as part

1:05:301:05:32

of their forthcoming

Internet Safety Strategy

1:05:321:05:40

Police investigating the death of

Hollywood star Natalie Wood 37 years

1:05:431:05:48

ago say her husband Robert Wagner is

being treated as a person of

1:05:481:05:52

interest. The actress was found dead

after going missing on a yacht off

1:05:521:05:56

the coast of California.

1:05:561:05:57

All 955 workers from a gold mine

in South Africa have been safely

1:05:571:06:01

brought back to the surface.

1:06:011:06:02

They had been trapped underground

since Wednesday night

1:06:021:06:04

when a thunderstorm brought down

power lines, cutting electricity

1:06:041:06:06

to the mine's lifts.

1:06:061:06:11

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News, more at 10.30.

1:06:111:06:19

We will be talking about civil

partnerships, at the moment only

1:06:201:06:25

available to same sex couple. We

will hear from one heterosexual

1:06:251:06:29

couple who want the opportunity for

a civil partnership. It is being

1:06:291:06:34

discussed in the House Of Commons.

Diane says it is about time civil

1:06:341:06:38

partnerships were made available to

all couples. Many couples want the

1:06:381:06:45

right to acknowledge their

commitment to each other.

1:06:451:06:47

Paul says he is a gay man in favour

of civil partnerships for anyone who

1:06:471:06:52

wants one. Discrimination is

discrimination. The only time I

1:06:521:07:01

recall the majority being

discriminated against.

1:07:011:07:04

Your thoughts are welcome.

1:07:041:07:08

Here's some sport now.

1:07:081:07:16

A big weekend coming up. The

6-nation -- Six Nations is coming

1:07:161:07:22

up.

1:07:221:07:23

England head coach Eddie Jones has

named his team the first match

1:07:231:07:26

of their Six Nations title defence

against Italy in Rome on Sunday.

1:07:261:07:29

Worcester's Ben Te'o has been

named at outside centre

1:07:291:07:31

ahead of Jonathan Joseph

despite being out since mid-October

1:07:311:07:33

with an ankle injury and not

having played for England

1:07:331:07:36

for almost a year.

1:07:361:07:37

Exeter forward Alec Hepburn is set

to make his international

1:07:371:07:39

debut from the bench.

1:07:391:07:40

In tennis.

1:07:401:07:41

Great Britain's men begin

their Davis Cup campaign

1:07:411:07:43

with a tie against Spain

on the clay courts of Marbella.

1:07:431:07:46

They'll be without the injured

Andy Murray and Kyle Edmund

1:07:461:07:50

and with Dan Evans suspended it

means Liam Broady and Cameron Norrie

1:07:501:07:52

will be flying the flag.

1:07:521:07:54

You can watch the action right now

on the BBC Red Button.

1:07:541:07:59

Second-placed Chelsea missed

the chance to go to the top

1:07:591:08:05

of the Women's Super League last

night, but they did end leaders

1:08:051:08:08

Manchester City's perfect

start to the season.

1:08:081:08:09

The match ended in a goalless draw

so not much action for new boss

1:08:091:08:13

Phil Neville to mull over

but he was concerned

1:08:131:08:15

to see his goalkeeper

City's Karen Bardsley hurt

1:08:151:08:17

after a heavy fall, she was taken

off on a stretcher just two

1:08:171:08:20

minutes into the game.

1:08:201:08:26

She has gone off to hospital to be

checked, she has a little bit of

1:08:261:08:30

pain in her arm and shoulders but

she is talking and she seems OK and

1:08:301:08:33

in good spirits.

1:08:331:08:36

We will trust the medical team

to carry on from there.

1:08:361:08:39

The excitement of the start

of the Super League season proved

1:08:391:08:44

too much for some last night,

Grand Final winners Leeds Rhinos

1:08:441:08:47

made the trip to Warrington Wolves

whose captain Chris Hill

1:08:471:08:49

- here on the left -

had to leave the game early

1:08:491:08:52

after his wife went into labour.

1:08:521:08:56

Unfortunately, Hill was absent

as England winger Ryan Hall provided

1:08:561:08:58

the highlight with two tries

on the night, helping Leeds

1:08:581:09:01

to a 16-12 win on the night.

1:09:011:09:04

Elsewhere, Hull FC began

their campaign with a six-try

1:09:041:09:07

win over Huddersfield.

1:09:071:09:11

Lee Westwood has fired his best

round 15 years for a share of the

1:09:111:09:16

lead after the second round at the

Malaysian open. He landed 11 birdies

1:09:161:09:21

in a ten under 62 including this on

the eighth hole. One shot behind

1:09:211:09:33

the eighth hole. One shot behind the

leader who is on 11 under.

1:09:331:09:44

There was disppointment this morning

for one of England World Cup player

1:09:471:09:50

of the tournament Tammy Beaumont

made 50, but she was

1:09:501:09:52

on the losing side in

the Women's Big Bash semifinal.

1:09:521:09:55

The Sydney Sixers beat

the Adelaide strikers by 17 runs

1:09:551:09:57

to set up a repeat of last years

final against the Perth Scorchers.

1:09:571:10:01

Earlier, we talked about the rise

of prostate cancer and how

1:10:011:10:03

it's overtaken breast

cancer to become the UK's

1:10:031:10:05

third deadliest cancer.

1:10:051:10:08

But now we're going to talk about

something called immunotherapy.

1:10:081:10:11

It's seen as one the most promising

forms of cancer treatment

1:10:111:10:13

and involves using the body's

own immune system

1:10:131:10:15

to kill cancer cells.

1:10:151:10:16

But it's still a very new treatment,

and is only available to patients

1:10:161:10:20

with specific types of cancer.

1:10:201:10:21

So should it be made

more widely available?

1:10:211:10:29

Let's talk now to Dr Christian

Ottensmeir who has just run

1:10:291:10:32

a successful global trial

using immunotherapy

1:10:321:10:35

at Southampton University.

1:10:351:10:37

And to Charlotte Moss

who was treated

1:10:371:10:39

as part of the trial.

1:10:391:10:47

You were diagnosed with skin cancer,

melanoma. You were given just a 20%

1:10:471:10:53

chance of survival?

That is right. I initially was

1:10:531:10:59

diagnosed in 2011. I had a number of

biopsies and procedures.

1:10:591:11:04

At that stage, I had found out the

chemotherapy and radiotherapy want

1:11:041:11:11

going to be effective. I was 35 and

given a 20% chance of survival. That

1:11:111:11:18

really completely shook my world.

Completely devastating. Then I met a

1:11:181:11:25

wonderful professor who saved my

life!

1:11:251:11:31

It is as simple as that?

It is. The

clinical trial I was invited to, it

1:11:311:11:38

was such a clever solution, to use

your own immune system to help

1:11:381:11:45

attack the cancer cells. I had found

out there was a lot of cancer cells

1:11:451:11:50

that had spread everywhere. Not

knowing where they may be, where

1:11:501:11:55

they may realtor, was a huge worry.

-- wrecker.

1:11:551:12:01

This treatment gave me so much hope.

How does this work?

We know that in

1:12:011:12:11

many patients, the immune system is

still trying to attack the cancer.

1:12:111:12:16

This wakes up the sleeping immune

cells and make them realise there is

1:12:161:12:22

something going on they need to be

active against. We know if the

1:12:221:12:28

immune system is trying and you can

wake it up, immunotherapy works

1:12:281:12:32

well. What the puzzle is to work out

whether in those patients where it

1:12:321:12:39

doesn't work we can overcome the

sleepiness in other ways.

1:12:391:12:43

Immunotherapy in this trial was the

first really big step towards

1:12:431:12:49

understanding this kind of approach

can make cancer better, and now we

1:12:491:12:57

need to work on how we can make that

available to other patients.

1:12:571:13:03

Before we talk about the patient it

didn't work in I was reading about a

1:13:031:13:09

woman called Abbey the trial, her

story is equally interesting.

1:13:091:13:16

Abbey suffered from a cancer that

was in normal terms at the end of

1:13:161:13:22

the road. We thought she might not

survive beyond this. Giving her the

1:13:221:13:30

kind of immunotherapy Charlotte had

but adding in a second drug, both of

1:13:301:13:34

which are now licensed in the NHS,

turned the disease around. Within a

1:13:341:13:40

few weeks, from being what we

thought might be death's door, she

1:13:401:13:44

felt entirely well. The real

excitement for the team came when we

1:13:441:13:50

did the first big follow-up scan

which was clear. All of us, a team

1:13:501:13:56

of four doctors, in large team

looking after patients, had a merry

1:13:561:14:01

dance of happiness at the result of

the scan. Extraordinary when these

1:14:011:14:08

situations change dramatically.

What

is the treatment? Is it a tablet?

1:14:081:14:14

Chemotherapy, radiotherapy?

It was

very simple. I went into hospital on

1:14:141:14:22

a Friday morning. It was an

infusion, 90 minutes,

1:14:221:14:27

straightforward. The worst part was

getting the cannula in. I rested at

1:14:271:14:31

the weekend and went back to work on

Monday. A really simple treatment.

1:14:311:14:37

No side-effects? They were minimal.

My skin became more sensitive, my

1:14:371:14:43

pitchers treat grand was effected so

I need treatment with cortisone.

1:14:431:14:51

This is an expensive treatment,

£200,000 per patient? For a

1:14:511:14:59

cash-strapped NHS, that is

difficult.

1:14:591:15:01

That is the problem. If we could

work out who to treat and who will

1:15:011:15:08

benefit, that would rationalise the

use of resources. And work out who

1:15:081:15:14

we would not make bill by treating

them unnecessarily, that would be a

1:15:141:15:19

big thing -- make ill. Science is

going in a direction of figuring out

1:15:191:15:25

who other people most likely to

benefit and treat those. Then the

1:15:251:15:30

treatment becomes a sensible

investment.

In half the patients in

1:15:301:15:35

this trial, it didn't work?

For the

trial for Charlotte, we don't really

1:15:351:15:40

know about the individual because it

was in a group of patients that had

1:15:401:15:44

cancer removed by surgery and the

patients were treated either with

1:15:441:15:49

immunotherapy or a placebo. It is

only by looking at the different

1:15:491:15:54

groups treated, the ones that

received the control as well, that

1:15:541:16:02

we note the drug makes a difference.

The overall survival difference is

1:16:021:16:07

relatively small. But when we use

this drug in patients with recurrent

1:16:071:16:13

disease, and in accommodation, we

make half the patients better.

1:16:131:16:19

And you are cancer free?

It has been

seven years. The scans are

1:16:191:16:26

Thank you so much for coming on and

sharing your experiences.

1:16:321:16:34

Since the gay marriage law

was passed in the UK,

1:16:341:16:36

gay couples have been able to chose

whether to get married

1:16:361:16:39

or have a civil partnership.

1:16:391:16:40

But straight couples

can only get married.

1:16:401:16:42

Some say that's unfair,

and there are some straight couples

1:16:421:16:44

who say they'd prefer to have civil

partnership and would

1:16:441:16:47

like that choice.

1:16:471:16:55

The issue is now being fought both

in Parliament and in the courts

1:16:561:16:59

to equalise the law and make it

the same for everyone.

1:16:591:17:02

This week there's been some

suggestion that the Government

1:17:021:17:04

is backtracking on the issue.

1:17:041:17:06

This morning, the MP Tim Loughton

will be trying to get a bill

1:17:061:17:09

through Parliament to

force ministers to look

1:17:091:17:11

again at the issue.

1:17:111:17:12

Earlier I spoke to him

alongside Martin and Claire.

1:17:121:17:14

They've been together

for 26 years and would

1:17:141:17:16

like to have a civil partnership.

1:17:161:17:17

I started by asking why

the couple felt marriage

1:17:171:17:20

wasn't right for them.

1:17:201:17:25

For me, marriage still is a sort

of patriarchal institution,

1:17:251:17:27

as we are finding out today.

1:17:271:17:29

You don't have the mother's name

on the marriage licence.

1:17:291:17:31

It still has the connotations

of the father giving away

1:17:311:17:39

the daughter as a sort of piece

of chattel, and married has come

1:17:431:17:47

the daughter as a sort of piece

of chattel, and marriage has come

1:17:471:17:50

an awfully long way since then,

of course, but when we first met

1:17:501:17:53

and when I was growing up

that was my sense of marriage,

1:17:531:17:56

so I've never felt it's for me,

and what I'm looking for now

1:17:561:17:59

is a purely legal recognition

of our long relationship

1:17:591:18:01

and our family status.

1:18:011:18:02

Tim, explain to us why you picked up

on this issue and why

1:18:021:18:05

you brought this to Parliament?

1:18:051:18:06

I think this is a

really good example.

1:18:061:18:08

There are three reasons.

1:18:081:18:09

One, there is an inequality

that was created by extending

1:18:091:18:12

marriage to same-sex couples

because same-sex couples,

1:18:121:18:13

quite rightly, can get married now,

can have a civil partnership.

1:18:131:18:16

If you're an opposite sex couple

you can only get married,

1:18:161:18:19

and if married isn't right for you,

for a whole range of reasons,

1:18:191:18:22

as Claire says, then you're just not

recognised in the eyes of the law.

1:18:221:18:25

You're a cohabiting couple

without any rights, despite the fact

1:18:251:18:27

you might have been together for 26

years and have children.

1:18:271:18:30

That can't be right.

1:18:301:18:31

Secondly, the whole issue

about having no rights at all.

1:18:311:18:34

People think there is such a thing

as a common-law wife or husband.

1:18:341:18:37

There isn't, and you find out

the hard way when somebody dies

1:18:371:18:40

or somebody does a runner,

and all of a sudden you have tax

1:18:401:18:43

bills, and you don't have legal

rights to property and things

1:18:431:18:45

like that, and there's

also the whole issue

1:18:451:18:51

around family stability.

also the whole issue

1:18:511:18:53

I mean, I was a children's minister

before - I want to see anything that

1:18:531:18:56

has stable families and children

brought up in stable families.

1:18:561:18:59

It works in marriage.

1:18:591:19:00

We have 3.2 million cohabiting

couples, over half of whom have

1:19:001:19:02

children, and if we gave them that

label stability and recognition

1:19:021:19:10

and protection, they are more

likely to stay together,

1:19:211:19:23

which is better for children,

so it's a real bonus.

1:19:231:19:25

So why can't we adapt?

1:19:251:19:26

Marriage and families takes many

different forms in the modern world,

1:19:261:19:29

and this is one of them,

and we should make sure everybody

1:19:291:19:32

has the opportunity.

1:19:321:19:33

Martin, you have actually had civil

partnership on the Isle of Man?

1:19:331:19:36

Yes, that's right.

1:19:361:19:37

Yes, that's right.

1:19:371:19:38

And you were telling me

about the ceremony -

1:19:381:19:41

bits of the marriage were crossed

out to make it adapt?

1:19:411:19:43

Well, yes, Claire and me,

we were the first heterosexual

1:19:431:19:45

couple who live in mainland Britain

to go to the Isle of Man,

1:19:451:19:48

which is the only place

in the British Isles now

1:19:481:19:51

where you can get a heterosexual

civil partnership, and it has been

1:19:511:19:53

for about 18 months.

1:19:531:19:54

And, yes, it was quite

interesting that they went

1:19:541:19:57

through the steps beforehand

with us, and it was clear

1:19:571:19:59

they were actually using the process

for doing a marriage in a registry

1:19:591:20:02

office, but applying it

to civil partnership,

1:20:021:20:04

so it was just

understandable teething

1:20:041:20:05

troubles as they added silver

partnership to marriage.

1:20:051:20:07

But in terms of the point, for us,

we have been together

1:20:071:20:10

for 26 years and we have

to make teenage children.

1:20:101:20:12

Our relationship's working pretty

well, and we don't feel the need

1:20:121:20:15

to change that just to get,

if you like, sort of stamp

1:20:151:20:18

of approval from the state

in writing through marriage

1:20:181:20:20

that our relationship in the eyes

of other people is on a sound basis.

1:20:201:20:23

We just seek a legal footing

for things like pension rights,

1:20:231:20:26

inheritance rights, children

protection and so on, and so many

1:20:261:20:29

other couples like us do.

1:20:291:20:34

And many people would absolutely

understand why you want that

1:20:341:20:37

security, particularly for your

family, but people watching this may

1:20:371:20:41

well say, why not just have a civil

marriage? You

1:20:411:20:43

well say, why not just have a civil

marriage? You don't have to get

1:20:431:20:44

married in a church, nowadays it can

be quite flexible, you can get

1:20:441:20:48

married outside, where you like, you

don't have to have someone giving

1:20:481:20:52

you away.

That is true.

Why not go

to that option?

It is not so much

1:20:521:20:59

the religious objection, but it is

still an institution

1:20:591:21:12

where we don't really feel we need

to be part of it, and for us to get

1:21:131:21:16

married now, having been together

for 26 years, just for a sort of

1:21:161:21:19

technical expediency, if anything I

would say that would devalue

1:21:191:21:21

marriage even more.

That isn't the

same with a civil partnership?

There

1:21:211:21:23

are issues on Fidelity,

consternation of marriage, all sorts

1:21:231:21:27

of aspects that still are part of a

sort of legal marriage contract that

1:21:271:21:30

we don't want to have imposed upon

us.

Dave Mowat hasn't been

1:21:301:21:35

consummated it is not valid -- is a

marriage has not been consummate it

1:21:351:21:41

is not valid and can be dissolved

for reasons of adultery so the state

1:21:411:21:44

is having a comment on how people

arrange their private sexual lives

1:21:441:21:47

which we don't think is right. In

many other groups with civil rights

1:21:471:21:51

type of cases they came on

programmes like this and said we

1:21:511:21:54

just want to live the lives the way

we want to. The question is not why

1:21:541:21:57

do you want to do that, but how can

we help you achieve that? We see

1:21:571:22:02

inclusion on all sorts of gender and

politics issues and we wonder why we

1:22:021:22:06

can't be included to organise our

lives the way we want to.

And it is

1:22:061:22:10

all but a genuine partnership. That

is why they are called civil

1:22:101:22:14

partners. For many a marriage is not

a partnership. I don't

1:22:141:22:16

necessarily...

Really?

I don't

necessarily agree, but not on equal

1:22:161:22:23

terms. The patriotic Society...

Why

is a marriage not on equal terms?

1:22:231:22:29

Because of the institution of

marriage, right back to the fact

1:22:291:22:32

that the mother's name is not on the

marriage certificate, which is what

1:22:321:22:36

we are trying to change as well. It

is still seen in patriotic or terms,

1:22:361:22:40

not a proper partnership. I don't

necessarily agree with that view but

1:22:401:22:44

there are many couples who do and

for them marriage is not the route

1:22:441:22:46

they want to take, and as I said

families take very different shapes

1:22:461:22:51

and sizes in this day and age and

this is a way of giving stability

1:22:511:22:56

and security and protection to

loving couples who have been

1:22:561:22:59

together for a long time who have

children, but have no recognition

1:22:591:23:03

and no protection in the eyes of the

law, and that is just crazy in this

1:23:031:23:07

day and age.

Yes, it can't go on and

on the last couple of days this sort

1:23:071:23:12

of outpouring of emotion and support

for what Tim has tried to do on the

1:23:121:23:19

Facebook page, on the campaign for

equal civil partnerships, our

1:23:191:23:23

Facebook page, our website, it has

been alive with comments trying to

1:23:231:23:26

support Tim with the Bill he is

bringing forward today, so there is

1:23:261:23:30

huge support for that.

Let's talk

about that bill. It had got so far

1:23:301:23:34

with the Government and looked like

it would go through and there are

1:23:341:23:37

now concerns since the Cabinet

reshuffle that that is not the case?

1:23:371:23:41

Yes, it is quite

1:23:411:23:52

complicated, the minister in charge

of Qualities who gave me her

1:23:531:23:56

support, then there was a reshuffle

so all the ministers responsible

1:23:561:24:00

changed so I have had to start all

over again. The Home Office is being

1:24:001:24:05

a bit cautious, and therefore they

are saying, OK, we will now look at

1:24:051:24:09

it again but we further consultation

and studies. That is frustrating,

1:24:091:24:13

but at the end of the day we all

know there is a place for civil

1:24:131:24:19

partnerships. The court case going

through as well I think will make

1:24:191:24:21

that absolutely clear that the

Government will have to do something

1:24:211:24:24

about that so I think the Government

will come round to this. We are just

1:24:241:24:27

going to have to go through a few

more extra hoops to do it. The case

1:24:271:24:32

for civil partnerships now is a

strong now as it has ever been and

1:24:321:24:35

we have to get on with it.

I would

just make the point that civil

1:24:351:24:40

partnerships clearly exist already

in this country for same-sex couples

1:24:401:24:42

so

1:24:421:24:47

so what we are asking and

campaigning for is not a special

1:24:511:24:53

change of the law just to sit us. We

just want to join in an institution

1:24:531:24:56

that has been around for another

group of society since 2004.

And in

1:24:561:24:59

other countries, in France and South

Africa at the fibres for years. In

1:24:591:25:01

France there are some evidence that

of same-sex partnerships, fewer end

1:25:011:25:04

in divorce than marriages.

Before we

let you go, Tim I want to ask you as

1:25:041:25:12

a Conservative MP, your reflections

on Theresa May's week, lots of

1:25:121:25:16

discussion about whether now is the

time for her to step aside, under a

1:25:161:25:20

lot of pressure over Brexit. What is

your view?

I'm not sure how we got

1:25:201:25:25

from civil partnerships to Theresa

May!

1:25:251:25:27

LAUGHTER

Just before you go, it seems fair to

1:25:271:25:29

as you well you're here.

If she is

going to support this measure,

1:25:291:25:34

absolutely, she needs to get on with

the job of running the country and

1:25:341:25:42

getting Brexit sorted out, and I am

not somebody who says, oh, yes,

1:25:421:25:45

let's have another leadership

competition. Let's stop all the

1:25:451:25:48

speculation and get behind the Prime

Minister. She has a really important

1:25:481:25:50

job to do, she will be back from

China soon and carrying on with it,

1:25:501:25:55

and I have an important job to do to

make sure this anachronism in the

1:25:551:25:58

law doesn't carry on any more and we

get civil partnerships extended to

1:25:581:26:02

couples like Martin and Claire

without having to go to the Isle of

1:26:021:26:07

Man.

You have been sharing your

thoughts on this drove the morning.

1:26:071:26:10

From Karen. I support civil

partnerships for all. One question

1:26:101:26:14

is why the marriage certificates

have not yet been changed to include

1:26:141:26:18

mothers' details, point made in that

discussion. If you have two mums,

1:26:181:26:23

who goes on the certificate? Civil

partnerships certainly have space

1:26:231:26:26

for both parents.

1:26:261:26:30

Police in the United States say

the actor Robert Wagner is now

1:26:301:26:32

being treated as a "person

of interest" in an investigation

1:26:321:26:35

into the death in 1981 of his wife,

the Hollywood star Natalie Wood.

1:26:351:26:38

The actress was found dead

in the water off the coast

1:26:381:26:41

of California after going missing

from her family yacht,

1:26:411:26:43

the Splendour.

1:26:431:26:46

Our entertainment correspondent

Lizo Mzimba is here.

1:26:461:26:52

A person of interest, Lizo. What

does that actually mean?

It doesn't

1:26:521:26:56

necessarily mean he is a suspect.

What it means is the police are

1:26:561:27:00

interested in talking to him because

they feel he may, knowingly or

1:27:001:27:05

unknowingly, have further

information that hasn't been brought

1:27:051:27:07

into the public domain or into the

investigation into what happened

1:27:071:27:13

exactly on the night when Natalie

Wood died and was found drowned off

1:27:131:27:17

the coast of California, so

obviously the police say they are

1:27:171:27:21

very keen to speak to Robert Wyatt

now because they feel he could shed

1:27:211:27:24

light on this, could help move

things forward -- Robert Wagner.

1:27:241:27:30

This has for many people been an

unsolved death although it was ruled

1:27:301:27:36

as accidental.

What do we know about

what happened? We know that they

1:27:361:27:41

were on a boat, Robert Wagner and

Natalie Wood, big stars, he's the

1:27:411:27:51

star of Hart to Hart, she of West

Side Story, along with actor

1:27:511:27:54

Christopher Walken, and she was

found floating off the coast of

1:27:541:27:59

California, dead, and Wagner said he

only realised she had gone missing

1:27:591:28:02

when he searched the boat for her.

It is thought she may have fallen

1:28:021:28:07

off the boat trying to get into a

dengue. That is what we know.

1:28:071:28:11

Further allegations have come since

-- into our

1:28:111:28:20

-- into our dinghy. Many years later

the captain of the boat said Robert

1:28:201:28:24

Wagner had had an argument with her,

and other witnesses have come

1:28:241:28:27

forward attesting to what seems to

be an argument between the two of

1:28:271:28:32

them and the police obviously think

that is worth expiring. Also, the

1:28:321:28:36

postmortem photographs from the

original investigation have been

1:28:361:28:39

re-examined by the police. They said

at the time what was thought to be

1:28:391:28:42

consistent with her accidentally

falling into the water, they feel

1:28:421:28:45

that now could be more consistent

with some kind of physical

1:28:451:28:49

altercation which of course is alive

and they will want to investigate as

1:28:491:28:52

well, so what has come out of this,

nobody is sure what has happened at

1:28:521:28:57

the moment, from the police force in

California, but they think there are

1:28:571:29:02

questions worth pursuing in case

while it can be shed on what

1:29:021:29:04

happened that night in 1981.

Thanks

for dropping by, Lizo, and updating

1:29:041:29:13

us on that story.

1:29:131:29:15

Still to come: Hundreds

of South African miners who've been

1:29:151:29:18

trapped underground since Wednesday

have been rescued.

1:29:181:29:20

We'll bring you the latest from our

correspondent in Johannesburg.

1:29:201:29:22

And keeping cool under pressure -

Meghan Markle laughs off a right

1:29:221:29:25

royal mix up at an awards

ceremony last night.

1:29:251:29:27

We will show you what happened for

the end of the programme.

1:29:271:29:34

Time for the latest

news - here's Annita

1:29:371:29:40

Theresa May insists she's delivering

what British people want on Brexit,

1:29:401:29:43

and setting out a clear vision

to the rest of the world.

1:29:431:29:46

She was speaking at the end

of a trip to China

1:29:461:29:49

during which questions

about her future as Prime

1:29:491:29:51

Minister have continued.

1:29:511:29:57

it is important we deliver what

people want, control of our money,

1:29:571:30:01

border and laws. I have shown how we

can ensure we actually want --

1:30:011:30:09

enhance our trade with the rest of

the world. It is good for jobs in

1:30:091:30:13

Britain.

1:30:131:30:17

A man who carried out a far right

terror attack driving a van

1:30:171:30:20

into a crowd of Muslim worshippers

outside a mosque in north London

1:30:201:30:23

is due to be sentenced today.

1:30:231:30:24

Darren Osborne, 48, from Cardiff,

ran down people outside

1:30:241:30:26

the Finsbury Park mosque.

1:30:261:30:29

He was convicted of murder

and attempted murder yesterday

1:30:291:30:32

at Woolwich Crown Court.

1:30:321:30:36

Two army helicopters have

crashed in southern France,

1:30:361:30:38

killing at least five people.

1:30:381:30:42

Emergency services are still

at the scene of the accident

1:30:421:30:44

which happened in the Var region

around 30 miles north-west

1:30:441:30:47

of St Tropez.

1:30:471:30:49

Both helicopters belonged

to a military flying school

1:30:491:30:51

which trains pilots for the army

and other military services.

1:30:511:30:54

Investigators say it's not clear

what caused the crash.

1:30:541:31:02

Staying in France, and the French

Interior Minister has visited

1:31:031:31:06

Calais following violent

clashes between migrants.

1:31:061:31:07

Gerard Collomb says he will review

the security situation there.

1:31:071:31:09

Four Eritrean migrants

are in a critical condition

1:31:091:31:11

after being shot during clashes

with Afghan asylum-seekers.

1:31:111:31:14

Another 18 people were injured

during the violence.

1:31:141:31:22

A 33-year-old woman has been

arrested in Derby on suspicion

1:31:221:31:24

of arson in connection with a huge

fire at Nottingham railway

1:31:241:31:27

station last month.

1:31:271:31:28

At its peak, ten fire crews

were called to tackle the blaze,

1:31:281:31:31

which caused extensive damage

to the station.

1:31:311:31:39

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:31:411:31:47

England head coach Eddie Jones has

named his team the first match

1:31:471:31:50

of their Six Nations title defence

against Italy in Rome on Sunday.

1:31:501:31:53

Worcester's Ben Te'o has been

named at outside centre

1:31:531:31:55

ahead of Jonathan Joseph

despite being out since mid-October

1:31:551:31:57

with an ankle injury and not

having played for England

1:31:571:32:01

for almost a year.

1:32:011:32:02

Exeter forward Alec Hepburn is set

to make his international

1:32:021:32:04

debut from the bench.

1:32:041:32:05

In tennis.

1:32:051:32:06

Great Britain's men begin

their Davis Cup campaign

1:32:061:32:08

with a tie against Spain

on the clay courts of Marbella.

1:32:081:32:11

They'll be without the injured

Andy Murray and Kyle Edmund

1:32:111:32:13

and with Dan Evans suspended it

means Liam Broady and Cameron Norrie

1:32:131:32:16

will be flying the flag.

1:32:161:32:17

You can watch the action right now

on the BBC Red Button.

1:32:171:32:25

Second-placed Chelsea missed

the chance to go to the top

1:32:291:32:32

of the Women's Super League last

night, but they did end leaders

1:32:321:32:35

Manchester City's perfect

start to the season.

1:32:351:32:36

The match ended in a goalless draw

so not much action for new boss

1:32:361:32:39

A man who carried out a far right

terror attack driving a van

1:32:491:32:52

into a crowd of Muslim worshippers

outside a mosque in north London

1:32:521:32:55

is due to be sentenced today.

1:32:551:32:56

Darren Osborne, 48, from Cardiff,

ran down people outside

1:32:561:32:58

the Finsbury Park mosque.

1:32:581:33:00

He was convicted of murder

and attempted murder yesterday

1:33:001:33:02

at Woolwich Crown Court.

1:33:021:33:02

Someone has just run over a whole

load of people. He ran over a lot of

1:33:061:33:12

people.

1:33:121:33:16

It is a big fan. He has just run

over everyone.

1:33:161:33:25

Angus Crawford is outside Woolwich

Crown Court, take us through what is

1:33:251:33:27

happening today?

This was as the positives and

1:33:271:33:34

pointed out in no uncertain terms

and act of terrorism by a man who

1:33:341:33:39

was in effect on a suicide mission.

Darren Osborne we heard described as

1:33:391:33:45

a loner, if rationing alcoholics,

with years of mental health

1:33:451:33:49

problems, he said he would attempt

suicide in the months before the

1:33:491:33:56

attack. He showed no contrition in

court, no reaction yesterday when

1:33:561:34:01

the jury handed its verdict of

guilty of murder and attempted

1:34:011:34:05

murder. The jury was sent out just

before 3pm. Less than an hour later

1:34:051:34:11

they came back with their verdict.

Today we will hear mitigation from

1:34:111:34:15

his defence barrister.

His defence in court was described

1:34:151:34:21

by the prosecution as absurd. Darren

Osborne has said a man called Dave,

1:34:211:34:27

he couldn't give his surname, was

actually driving the van on the

1:34:271:34:31

night into the crowd of Muslim men.

While Darren Osborne was in the foot

1:34:311:34:43

well of the vehicle. We will have

defence mitigation speech this

1:34:431:34:48

morning, then some information about

his background, his previous

1:34:481:34:52

convictions. He had a history of

violence and alcoholism. Later, the

1:34:521:34:57

judge will give sentence on Darren

Osborne.

1:34:571:35:04

It's time to bring you up to date

on the trial of former football

1:35:061:35:09

coach Barry Bennell.

1:35:091:35:10

It emerged yesterday

that the 64-year-old has chosen not

1:35:101:35:12

to take the stand and give evidence

in his defence.

1:35:121:35:15

Our reporter Jim Reed has been

following the trial.

1:35:151:35:22

As you said Mr Bennell,

who is a former coach

1:35:221:35:24

linked to Manchester City

and Crewe Alexandra Football Clubs,

1:35:241:35:28

is facing 48 counts of historical

sexual abuse in this trial.

1:35:281:35:30

He denies those charges.

1:35:301:35:34

Yesterday morning,

the prosecution case concluded.

1:35:341:35:40

Mr Bennell's barrister,

Eleanor Laws, then said

1:35:401:35:42

she would be calling no evidence

on behalf of the defence.

1:35:421:35:46

Which means that Mr Bennell

himself will not be called

1:35:461:35:48

to testify in court.

1:35:481:35:52

The judge then asked her if she'd

warned her client that the jury may

1:35:521:35:55

"draw such inferences as they see

proper from this".

1:35:551:35:57

She replied that she had.

1:35:571:36:03

The trial then will continue

on Monday with closing statements

1:36:031:36:06

from both the prosecution

and the defence.

1:36:061:36:09

Summing up by the judge is expected

to start on Tuesday next week.

1:36:091:36:12

As I said at the start,

Mr Bennell is facing 48 counts

1:36:121:36:15

of historic abuse against 11 boys,

which he denies.

1:36:151:36:20

Still to come:

1:36:201:36:24

We hear from the family

of a prisoner who was stabbed

1:36:241:36:27

to death in Wormwood Scrubs in west

London who say he had complained

1:36:271:36:30

to them about violence in the jail

in the days before he was attacked.

1:36:301:36:33

Four men have been arrested.

1:36:331:36:36

Video game addiction is to be listed

as a mental health disorder that the

1:36:451:36:51

first time. Ian, not his real name,

was addicted to video games 26 years

1:36:511:36:55

but has been clean for three years.

He says he lost his job, family, due

1:36:551:37:00

to his obsession.

1:37:001:37:06

More than 950 workers

who were trapped underground

1:39:401:39:42

in a gold mine in South Africa

have been rescued.

1:39:421:39:44

They had been stuck in the mine

since a power cut struck

1:39:441:39:47

on Wednesday night.

1:39:471:39:48

South Africa is a leading gold

producer, but safety in the industry

1:39:481:39:51

is often questioned.

1:39:511:39:59

Our correspondent has been following

events in Johannesburg. They were

1:40:001:40:03

trapped because of a power cut?

Correct. There was a severe storm on

1:40:031:40:11

Wednesday night which led to a power

cut in the region which meant they

1:40:111:40:16

could be brought back to the surface

using the lift. On the side of it,

1:40:161:40:20

the mine says the power generators

failed, the worst outcome for them.

1:40:201:40:27

There was no way to bring them to

the surface until this morning when

1:40:271:40:31

power was restored. We understand

they have been taken to nearby

1:40:311:40:37

hospitals for examination and no

serious injuries have been reported.

1:40:371:40:40

What were conditions like down

there, they were there for 24 hours

1:40:401:40:46

to mark correct, they were there for

nearly 30 hours.

1:40:461:40:49

They were being brought water, and

food. There were concerned that some

1:40:491:40:56

of the miners who had medical

conditions that needed chronic

1:40:561:41:04

medication and were able to receive

that. For the most part, we

1:41:041:41:10

understood -- understand they had

air circulation, but they have been

1:41:101:41:13

traumatised and that needs to be

assessed.

1:41:131:41:19

How were they brought to the

surface? Was it about power being

1:41:191:41:25

restored or was there a different

route?

1:41:251:41:27

It was power restored. Overnight,

people on social media were calling

1:41:271:41:35

on the power company to intervene,

to prioritise returning power

1:41:351:41:41

specifically. With the concern the

miners had already been there for

1:41:411:41:47

too long and they wanted them

brought to the surface. At 3am local

1:41:471:41:51

time power was returned and rescue

workers were able to go down to the

1:41:511:41:56

mind to bring them up with the

lists.

1:41:561:42:01

That if speaking to us.

1:42:011:42:05

The mother of a man stabbed

to death in Wormwood Scrubs

1:42:051:42:08

prison says she thought

he was in a "safe place".

1:42:081:42:10

Khader Saleh died from his injuries

after being attacked on Wednesday.

1:42:101:42:13

Four inmates have been arrested

on suspicion of murder.

1:42:131:42:17

Speaking exclusively to the BBC,

1:42:171:42:18

Said Yusuf said his 25-year-old

brother had told him he feared

1:42:181:42:21

for his life while in the prison.

1:42:211:42:28

She was devastated yesterday. We

were not here with her at that time

1:42:291:42:35

to give her support.

Did she understand, was she on her

1:42:351:42:41

own?

She was with one cousin who was

1:42:411:42:43

translating for half.

If you asked your mum how she feels,

1:42:431:42:51

I can see she is emotionally quite

distressed. How does she feel now

1:42:511:42:57

with the loss of her son?

Probably if I asked her she will be

1:42:571:43:03

crying, to be honest. She is really

in... In very bad feeling for her

1:43:031:43:17

loss, and our loss as well.

In terms of your brother...

1:43:171:43:24

And she felt he would be in a safe

place which was prison. If he was

1:43:251:43:32

outside and we heard the news,

probably we would think, we think

1:43:321:43:37

when someone is inside prison, he

will be safe enough not to be killed

1:43:371:43:42

in that way.

Very difficult view. In of your

1:43:421:43:49

brother, the people who didn't know

him. He was 25. He was involved in

1:43:491:43:56

drugs, you mentioned. But he was on

remand, waiting for trial. And this

1:43:561:44:01

happened. When was the last time you

spoke to your brother or saw him?

1:44:011:44:06

We spoke to him four days ago before

he got killed. Because a phone was

1:44:061:44:17

smuggled in, so that is probably the

same way they smuggle in nice.

1:44:171:44:21

He spoke to us and was in a bad

situation.

1:44:211:44:28

Guards were there but not looking

after him. He was afraid for his

1:44:351:44:39

life inside the jail.

And a month ago, he had a fight

1:44:391:44:47

inside the prison with other groups.

Have the police told you anything

1:44:471:44:53

about what happened yesterday

afternoon?

1:44:531:44:57

The police. They have told us they

have opened two areas. Every area

1:44:571:45:11

has about 140 prisoners. There were

not a lot of guards around. They

1:45:111:45:18

said he was talking to three other

people. They went into a different

1:45:181:45:28

cell, not his cell, and they locked

the door, they said. These things

1:45:281:45:34

were within five minutes. Or they

heard was the alarm of that cell,

1:45:341:45:39

then they started getting the gods

around to see what the issue was.

1:45:391:45:45

-- the prison guards.

Did they tell you what happened?

It

1:45:451:45:49

is still under investigation.

How'd you feel in terms of your

1:45:491:45:53

brother saying before he was worried

about his safety and feeling

1:45:531:45:57

powerless to do anything but mark

what you want to say to the prison

1:45:571:46:03

and Prison Service?

1:46:031:46:08

What I want to say is they have to

create a safe environment, not

1:46:091:46:15

What I want to say is they have to

create a safe environment, not only

1:46:151:46:16

for us but for all the prisoners in

their cell. They should have extra

1:46:161:46:19

guards, certain time to send the

people somewhere, not leaving all

1:46:191:46:27

those people in the same place,

definitely. If anyone is carrying

1:46:271:46:31

any weapon or anything, something

will happen. And the other thing is

1:46:311:46:34

how they get to smuggle most of

these things inside is really

1:46:341:46:37

annoying. When we go to visit him,

we feel the high security officers

1:46:371:46:42

and everything, so I'm just

surprised how these kind of weapons

1:46:421:46:45

are going into the jail.

And it was

a knife?

Metal Blade, the police

1:46:451:46:54

told us, he was stabbed with seven

times.

Are shocked they were able to

1:46:541:46:59

get a blade into the prison?

To be

honest, I was shocked at the

1:46:591:47:03

beginning, but in a way when I feel

the smuggle other things, I thought

1:47:031:47:09

there might be a link between... I

don't know who or how they get these

1:47:091:47:13

things inside, but it is really

annoying when you feel someone

1:47:131:47:16

inside the prison. If it was

outside, you can understand, someone

1:47:161:47:21

can carry a blade or anything

outside, but inside the prison, with

1:47:211:47:25

this high security, getting weapons

like this inside, really feels bad.

1:47:251:47:30

How do you want to remember your

brother, in terms of what do you

1:47:301:47:33

remember mostly about him? He has a

child?

He was a young man trying to

1:47:331:47:41

move on with his life. He got

married recently, he had a son. He

1:47:411:47:47

was aiming to move to a different

area than London because of the

1:47:471:47:51

trouble and everything around. That

was his plan. He ended up in the

1:47:511:47:56

wrong place, but as I said we were

waiting for him to come outside and

1:47:561:48:00

then we were going to help him to

move outside and find his life. But

1:48:001:48:06

getting killed in that way, it's

really shocking for us, the family.

1:48:061:48:12

He leaves behind his wife and his

child, children?

Yes, he left behind

1:48:121:48:17

a wife and one child. The child is

going to be two years old on the

1:48:171:48:25

15th of February.

And obviously the

mum is too traumatised to talk about

1:48:251:48:30

it?

Yes, he was her younger son. The

younger son, you always have a

1:48:301:48:37

different feeling, than all of us,

so it is the biggest loss for our

1:48:371:48:41

mother. And us as well.

Do you think

you will pursue a case against the

1:48:411:48:50

prison?

Definitely, we have to, not

only for us but for the safety of

1:48:501:48:53

all the others. Inside that prison.

And we will talk for our loss in

1:48:531:49:01

that way, and probably we will have

to fight and find out how these

1:49:011:49:07

weapons are getting into the jail,

and why they don't separate the

1:49:071:49:14

people are put enough guards around

the whole place.

That was Khader

1:49:141:49:21

Saleh's family speaking exclusively

to the BBC. Earlier we heard how for

1:49:211:49:27

the first in the men from prostate

cancer has overtaken the number of

1:49:271:49:30

women dying from breast cancer,

which makes prostate cancer of the

1:49:301:49:34

third biggest killer in the UK

behind lung and bowel cancer.

1:49:341:49:42

Figures revealed that just over

11,800 men die in the UK from

1:49:421:49:49

prostate cancer every year, and the

charity is calling for the same

1:49:491:49:54

resources as breast cancer. Early I

spoke with a man diagnosed back in

1:49:541:49:59

2014. Phil Kissi, who was diagnosed

in 2014, recovered, and we heard

1:49:591:50:08

from Catherine who lost her husband

in 2011, and from Caroline, a

1:50:081:50:14

consultant who works in the field.

I

think one of the difficulties is

1:50:141:50:21

that not everybody has symptoms. As

we heard from Phil, some people just

1:50:211:50:28

get there blood tests done and find

out. I think we need more of a

1:50:281:50:32

message for men at high risk, so

black men and men with a history of

1:50:321:50:38

family cancer should get tested

earlier. The other difficulty is the

1:50:381:50:42

tests that we used to use ten, 15

years ago, they were not as accurate

1:50:421:50:48

as the tests we have today, so there

is really good news that we have

1:50:481:50:51

more accurate tests including MRI

that people can come forward and

1:50:511:50:56

get.

For you, Catherine, to lose

your husband, were you aware of

1:50:561:51:01

prostate cancer? Was your husband

were before the diagnosis?

Very

1:51:011:51:06

vaguely, and exactly the same as

this gentleman here, he sort of use

1:51:061:51:10

to get up in the night. We have an

ensuite bathroom so hardly woke up

1:51:101:51:16

when used to do that. But we went to

stay in a big old cranky house where

1:51:161:51:20

the toilet was two flight up and it

was December with snow outside, and

1:51:201:51:23

I suddenly realised he was getting

up three times in the night with

1:51:231:51:27

freezing cold feet, and I marched

into the doctor the next day. Our GP

1:51:271:51:31

was very good. Had a handwritten

note through the door two days later

1:51:311:51:37

with a hospital appointment. At

which point the warning bells went

1:51:371:51:40

off back in my head, and it was

picked up very quickly, it was quite

1:51:401:51:43

aggressive, and it was downhill from

there, but a little bit late year,

1:51:431:51:49

we had a very positive outlook on

it, and we just got on with living

1:51:491:51:52

life in the fast lane, I think.

And important for you now to get the

1:51:521:51:58

message out there for men. Because I

guess one of the problems, and maybe

1:51:581:52:02

I am being unfair and you can

correct me if I am, blokes are not

1:52:021:52:06

so good at talking about anything

that is vaguely Internet, about

1:52:061:52:09

emotion or feeling worried?

I think you're dead right. It is the

1:52:091:52:20

macho image, oh, that is not the

sort of thing that I talk about, but

1:52:201:52:23

I think as the public get to know

more and more about the information

1:52:231:52:28

on prostate cancer, they know that

if you go to your doctor, get tested

1:52:281:52:32

early, you could be one of those

people that are saved today, and I

1:52:321:52:36

think that's the message we have to

get out there. Early testing, and we

1:52:361:52:40

need more research, and talking

about more research, we are doing a

1:52:401:52:45

campaign in March, Men to March, and

it is in Glasgow, Nottingham,

1:52:451:52:55

Bristol, London, Manchester. And we

want people to sign up to this.

1:52:551:53:04

want people to sign up to this. It

is 2k, 4k 10k. It is so important we

1:53:041:53:07

get funds to do more around the

prostate cancer agenda and

1:53:071:53:10

programmes like this give us that

platform to speak to the general

1:53:101:53:13

viewers.

Kevin, what do you make of

that?

Absolutely right. I have

1:53:131:53:17

always wore my heart on my sleeve so

I am one of the people who are quite

1:53:171:53:21

happy to talk about things, as my

friends know. So I am absolutely

1:53:211:53:26

honest about it, and there are no

questions that are bad questions. A

1:53:261:53:29

great story for me, a client of mine

at work who are used to talk to

1:53:291:53:34

quite a lot went a bit quiet on me

and I thought, oh, maybe it was a

1:53:341:53:38

surprise for them when I had

prostate cancer, and later he phoned

1:53:381:53:41

me up and said he had read one of my

blogs, he had symptoms, went to the

1:53:411:53:47

doctor, had prostate cancer, and

because he went early he was cured

1:53:471:53:50

and he felt that he couldn't phone

me up because I was going to die,

1:53:501:53:53

but I said to make me feel I have

done something good on this planet,

1:53:531:53:58

it is actually an amazing feeling,

so don't be shy about it. And I hope

1:53:581:54:02

he talks about it to a lot of men,

and adjoining up, the marchers and

1:54:021:54:09

things, it makes a massive

difference. People often think

1:54:091:54:12

there's a man's disease, but ask my

wife and kids. It is absolutely

1:54:121:54:17

terrible for them. They have to

watch me go downhill and deal with

1:54:171:54:20

it afterwards, for worse for them I

think.

I think that is why, as a

1:54:201:54:24

female, it is just as important for

us to bang the drum, and perhaps

1:54:241:54:28

because we are more able to chat

about these things. The number of

1:54:281:54:32

people at dinner parties, the men I

have sat next to. I don't get

1:54:321:54:37

invited any more!

LAUGHTER

1:54:371:54:39

But it is what we have to

do.

We

have been sent so many messages from

1:54:391:54:43

people getting in touch about this.

An e-mail from Sharon, "My father

1:54:431:54:47

was diagnosed with prostate cancer

in 2007. 11 years on he is still

1:54:471:54:52

under what the NHS call watchful

waiting. In other words, his cancer

1:54:521:54:56

is still within the prostate and

requires for intervention at this

1:54:561:54:59

time. My issue with this approach is

that dad's cancer has changed during

1:54:591:55:03

this time, that his reviews have

been cancelled or postponed. I worry

1:55:031:55:07

that with an ever straining NHS he

will fall through the net and it

1:55:071:55:10

will be too late for him".

Presumably your worry as much as the

1:55:101:55:14

people affected by the disease

personally? It is about funding as

1:55:141:55:20

much as awareness?

That's right.

Once a man comes forward for testing

1:55:201:55:24

we want to make sure he's able to

get the most effective tests,

1:55:241:55:28

wherever he is in the country. And

that that is not differing by

1:55:281:55:33

hospital or by which consultant you

see, but that we have national

1:55:331:55:37

standards for doing the best tests.

I just want to read a couple more

1:55:371:55:42

messages before we speak about your

ultra marathons which are quite

1:55:421:55:45

incredible. Mick has got in touch

via text. He was diagnosed in March

1:55:451:55:51

2016, no symptoms as such. Caught

early enough, he had keyhole surgery

1:55:511:55:54

and turned himself very lucky, also

due to the diligence of his doctor

1:55:541:55:58

and he will be ever grateful.

Roger's e-mail to say he was

1:55:581:56:03

diagnosed back in 2013. Aggressive,

invasive prostate cancer. His PSA

1:56:031:56:10

count was 1741, astronomically high.

No classic symptoms, not frequently

1:56:101:56:14

going to the loo, have been taking

1:56:141:56:26

medication and numbers are

controlled. He says he is leading a

1:56:371:56:39

normal retired life, just get a bit

tired, "But I am 71 is probably not

1:56:391:56:42

all that surprising." That was the

discussion we had earlier on and you

1:56:421:56:45

have been sharing your experiences

throughout the morning of prostate

1:56:451:56:47

cancer. Ronald said he felt

uncomfortable and went to the

1:56:471:56:49

doctor, he examined by prostate and

thought it was OK but took a PSA.

1:56:491:56:51

Thewhich showed a high PSA. The

hospital confirmed prostate cancer

1:56:511:56:54

with a biopsy. I was told the

options open to me have it removed,

1:56:541:56:56

best decision I ever made. Men

should not be embarrassed to see

1:56:561:56:59

their doctor on this matter. I am

clear at the moment. And you will

1:56:591:57:02

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