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Hello.
Welcome to the programme. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:15 | |
After years of a 1% pay cap, the
government is expected to announce a | 0:00:19 | 0:00:25 | |
significant pay increase for NHS
staff in England, apart from | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
doctors. Staff have got to be
addressed, vacancies have to be | 0:00:27 | 0:00:33 | |
addressed. The issue of using agency
staff has to be addressed. In that | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
context it is significant that that
pay award has been made. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:43 | |
We get reaction from NHS workers.
Plus, there has been a huge rise in | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
the number of women using donated
eggs to get pregnant. You get | 0:00:48 | 0:00:54 | |
married and then your friends have
kids and it's just not happening to | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
you. It suddenly becomes the most
important thing in your life, the | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
only thing that you can focus on.
And what next for the future of ant | 0:01:01 | 0:01:07 | |
and tech? We look at what impact Ant
McPartlin's arrest for drink-driving | 0:01:07 | 0:01:13 | |
will have on the pair? And how lives
are ruined by addiction to | 0:01:13 | 0:01:18 | |
painkillers.
Hello and welcome to the programme. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:28 | |
We're live until 11. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
Throughout the morning we'll bring
you the latest breaking news | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
and developing stories and -
as always - really | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
keen to hear from you. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
A litle later we'll be talking
to some of you who've | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
deleted your Facebook account
in protest at the company's data | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
and privacy policies. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
If you've done it, do get in touch. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:44 | |
If you don't want to message us
on Facebook, you can do | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
so a number of other ways. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
Use the hashtag Victoria live. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:50 | |
And if you text, you will be charged
at the standard network rate. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:56 | |
Our top story today -
the government is poised to announce | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
a significant pay rise for almost
all NHS staff | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
in England, apart from doctors. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:02 | |
It's thought that around a million
health workers will receive | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
an average increase of 6% over three
years, in a move which could cost | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
the Treasury £4 billion. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:14 | |
We can speak now to Catherine Burn
's, health correspondent. I know we | 0:02:14 | 0:02:20 | |
don't have all of the details on
this so far, but what details do we | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
have? It seems to be a six to 6.5%
increase over three years. That is | 0:02:23 | 0:02:31 | |
the headline. The reality will be
quite different. The average is | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
going to be spread out. The biggest
increase will ghost -- increases | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
will go to the poorest paid people,
porters, catering staff, cleaners. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
They could have an increase of 29%
over three years. It is quite a big | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
deal and quite a decisive end to pay
caps. Since 2010, there have been | 0:02:50 | 0:02:57 | |
pay freezes and pay cap Macs 1%.
This is a big break. Porters could | 0:02:57 | 0:03:03 | |
go from £15,000 to £19,000, a huge
jump? It is. But the Royal College | 0:03:03 | 0:03:12 | |
of Nursing is say that if you take
in real terms and count in | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
inflation, they have essentially had
a pay cut 14%. Even though people | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
will welcome this, they will not
necessarily be jumping for joy. We | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
don't know if it will be accepted?
The unions are meeting today at 11. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:30 | |
We are expecting them to sign off on
this. There will be a lot of | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
last-minute haggling. The
interesting thing to look out for | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
will be what sort of strings there
are attached to this. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:44 | |
are attached to this. NHS workers
lost a day's pay over this. Sickness | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
levels in the NHS may be one thing.
There has been talk of increments, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
when NHS workers sort of get
on-the-job pay rises. There has been | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
talk of the more -- being more
tightly controlled. It will be | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
interesting to see what happens.
Thank you. More on that later in the | 0:04:03 | 0:04:09 | |
programme. If you do work for the
NHS, get in touch. Would you accept | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
this, would you support this? | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Joanna Gosling is in the BBC
Newsroom with a summary | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
of the rest of the day's news. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
Good morning. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
Facebook will be questioned
by politicians in Washington today, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
as the company comes under growing
pressure to explain how data | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
from 50 million accounts was used
by a British company | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
during the US presidential election. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
It's alleged that Cambridge
Analytica used the data to target | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
voters and influence
the election outcome. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
That company's chief executive,
Alexander Nix, has been suspended. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
Both firms deny any wrongdoing. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:43 | |
Simon Jones reports. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
Facebook held a crisis
meeting today... | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
An international row about Facebook
data making headlines | 0:04:51 | 0:04:57 | |
in the States and in London,
home to the consultancy, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
Cambridge Analytica. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:01 | |
That company is accused
of using the personal data | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
of 50 million Facebook users to send
highly targeted messages during | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
the 2016 US election campaign. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
Secret filming by Channel 4 News
shows Cambridge Analytica's boss, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
Alexander Nix, boasting
about the role it played | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
in Donald Trump's victory. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:22 | |
The company has denied
the Facebook information | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
was used for this purpose. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
It said Mr Nix's comments do to not
represent the values of the firm. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
He has been suspended. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
The Cambridge academic
who created the app | 0:05:43 | 0:05:49 | |
from which the data
was harvested, has | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
been banned from Facebook but says
the only thing he did wrong was not | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
to ask enough questions. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:55 | |
My view is that I have been used
as a scapegoat by Facebook | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
and Cambridge Analytica. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
We thought we were acting perfectly
appropriately, we thought we were | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
doing something really normal. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:07 | |
Facebook says it did break rules
by donating data to third parties | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
and says it has been deceived
by Cambridge Analytica. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:18 | |
Facebook denies it has done anything
wrong but there is growing pressure | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
from politicians in the US and the
UK for its boss, Mark Zuckerberg, to | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
break his silence about how his
customers' information is protected. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
The Royal Air Force has confirmed
that a member of its Red Arrows | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
aerobatic team has died in a crash
in North Wales. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
The engineer was killed when a Hawk
jet came down near the RAF Valley | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
base on Anglesey yesterday. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
The pilot, who is injured
and receiving medical | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
care, managed to eject. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
The jet came down shortly after
taking off on a routine flight. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
There are no details
about the cause of the crash. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
The mother of a two-year-old girl
who died after she was pulled | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
from a car found in a river,
has said she will feel guilt | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
for the rest of her life. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
Kiara Moore was found
in the River Teifi in Cardigan, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
Ceredigion, after she had been left
in the car while it was parked | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
on a slipway on Monday. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Her father said when the driver
returned, the car was missing | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
and initially feared stolen. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
But after a large police search
the car was found in the water. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:24 | |
A man has been injured
after a parcel bomb exploded | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
in the Texan city of Austin -
the latest in a series | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
of similar attacks. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
Five devices have detonated
so far this month, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
which have killed two people. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:34 | |
A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted
before it exploded. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
The FBI now believes the attacks
are the work of a serial bomber. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
President Trump is reported to have
ignored warnings from his national | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
security advisers not
to congratulate Vladimir Putin | 0:07:45 | 0:07:46 | |
on his re-election. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
The Washington Post
is reporting that Mr Trump went | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
against his advisers,
and was even given a briefing note | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
with the words "Do Not Congratulate"
in capital letters. | 0:07:52 | 0:08:00 | |
The amount of plastic in the ocean
could trouble within a decade unless | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
action is taken. A report from the
UK government says plastics is just | 0:08:06 | 0:08:13 | |
one issue facing the world's sees
along with rising sea levels. It | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
says much more knowledge is needed
about the ocean. The government | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
could face an additional bill of
£300 million after on the claim | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
benefit claims. The main sickness
and that was predicted to cause the | 0:08:28 | 0:08:36 | |
government £5 million. The National
Audit Office says the true price | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
could be more. Ministers say they
are committed to paying everybody by | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
April 20 19. Vulnerable mental
health patients are being let down | 0:08:45 | 0:08:51 | |
because of serious failings in their
treatment, the Parliamentary and | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
health service ombudsman has said.
Issues with some mental health trust | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
could lead to some patients
suffering harm. It also found mental | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
health care staff can like the
skills and training they need to do | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
their job properly. The government
is expanding service provision. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
A group of MPs is warning
of government complacency when it | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
comes to security co-operation
with the EU after Brexit. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
The all-party Home Affairs Committee
says the transition period, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
which has recently been agreed,
may need to be extended if public | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
safety is not to be compromised. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:23 | |
They say it's down to the complexity
of issues such as data sharing, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
the European Arrest Warrant
and Europol membership. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Mark Easton reports. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Membership of the EU means
the UK enjoys access | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
to valuable police data bases,
the European Arrest Warrant scheme | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
and the services of Europol. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
The government says it is optimistic
about negotiating just as good | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
a deal for when we leave,
but after taking evidence | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
from people from the National Crime
Agency and other organisations | 0:09:48 | 0:09:54 | |
which rely on EU security
corporation, an all-party committee | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
of MPs says it does not
share that optimism. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
We are worried that a security
treaty will not be signed | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
and implemented in time
for when the transition period ends | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
and that could leave us
without proper extradition | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
arrangements if people flee justice
and flee from crimes, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
but also without access to criminal
data that the police properly need. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:19 | |
Access to EU-wide data systems
and the resources of Europol depend | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
on legal obligations underpinned
by the European Court of Justice. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:28 | |
The UK has said being outside
the European courts jurisdiction | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
is a red line, but the MPs say
the government should not be too | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
rigid on such matters if it
wants to get a good deal. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
And they reckon the complex
technical and legal issues mean both | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
sides need to be ready to extend
the two-year transition | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
before Brexit kicks in. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
Accusing the government
of complacency, the committee warns | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
the UK could be sleepwalking
into a security crisis. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
Mark Easton, BBC News. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:56 | |
Talk about springing a leak -
these pictures are of a water main | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
break in University City
near San Diego yesterday. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:05 | |
Local reports said a contractor hit
a six-inch diameter blow-off valve | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
connected to a water main causing
the leak which saw water shoot up | 0:11:09 | 0:11:16 | |
above the Californian highway. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:17 | |
The break shut down the road
for roughly 30 minutes, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
while crews worked to shut off
the water. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
It's been a 25-year wait,
but later today the first polar bear | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
cub born in the UK for over two
decades will make his public debut. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
Born in December, the bear
is still to be named as keepers | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
try to determine its sex. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
The cub has spent the last four
months with it's mum Victoria | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
in the maternity den
at the Highland Wildlife | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
Park in Scotland. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 9.30. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:51 | |
Thank you, joiner. Let me bring you
this news that we are getting in | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
from Texas. Reports saying that the
suspect in a series of bombings in | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
the state capital of Austin has
died. You can see pictures coming in | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
from Austin. Those are live
pictures. We understand a local | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
television station is saying the
suspect detonated a device while | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
being pursued by police, and was
killed. Earlier the FBI said it | 0:12:14 | 0:12:20 | |
believed six separate attacks in
Texas were the result of a serial | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
bomber. A man being pursued by
police as being killed. We will keep | 0:12:23 | 0:12:29 | |
you with any news. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:36 | |
This morning - is there enough
help for people addicted | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
to prescription painkillers? | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
In the next few minutes we will be
talking to a couple of people about | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
the wrong painkiller addiction is.
We will get a sense of what that is | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
like. Also people who work at
addiction clinics to talk about the | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
sort of people they are treating and
the stories they are hearing. One | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
former councillor has told the BBC
the NHS is creating drug addicts. Do | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
you agree with that? We want your
experiences this morning if you are | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
addicted to these painkillers. To
get in touch. If you text, you will | 0:13:04 | 0:13:12 | |
be charged at the standard network
rate. Mohsin sport. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
We can speak to John Motson. We need
to talk about the World Cup. Big | 0:13:16 | 0:13:23 | |
question, who is the England number
one? That is central, really, with | 0:13:23 | 0:13:29 | |
those World Cup places, the battle
for them, Harding up. Particularly | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
in goal. Nick Pope worked as a
milkman nine years ago. Now he is | 0:13:34 | 0:13:40 | |
battling out for the number one spot
in the England squad. It is far from | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
nailed down heading into those
friendlies. We are taking him out | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
because his story is fantastic.
Having been released at 16, he had | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
spells outside the football league
before joining Burnley. He only got | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
his chance because of injury to Tom
Heaton. Now he could make his | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
international debut in the
forthcoming friendlies with the | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
Netherlands and Italy. If you are
questioning if he is the right pick | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
for the job, he says he is a safe
pair of hands having never dropped a | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
bottle on his milk round.
No, I was Kleenex Mac it was a | 0:14:11 | 0:14:18 | |
float, electric. What is the best
thing about England goalkeeper? Can | 0:14:18 | 0:14:27 | |
I call myself that if I haven't
played? I think it is just the | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
honour, really. Obviously the moment
from Thursday. Getting around people | 0:14:32 | 0:14:40 | |
and been there from the start,
people have travelled the journey | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
with them -- with me. To share that
with them is something I will never | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
forget.
It will be a great story of the does | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
get selected. Fantastic to hear how
much it means to represent his | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
country. From internationals to the
women's Champions League, which | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
continues tonight. Manchester City
in Chelsea in action. City are at | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
home to their Swedish opponents. In
the WSL this season they are second | 0:15:03 | 0:15:09 | |
behind Chelsea, who play
Montpellier. If both teams progress, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
it will be the first time in the
competition's history that two | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
British clubs have reached the
semifinals. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:23 | |
We don't our homework on, we know
they are a good team and have | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
dominated Swedish football so it
will be a big game with tough | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
opponents. Nice to have a home game,
we're been awake for about ten games | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
and it has been hard but we have
great support at home and we love | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
having them at home. Excited. One of
several big games coming up in a | 0:15:41 | 0:15:47 | |
busy end of the week. And a huge
cricket match in Zimbabwe at the | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
moment which could mean Scotland
reached the World Cup? They are | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
playing the West Indies with a place
at the World Cup up for grabs next | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
year. The huge match for Scotland.
They make the best start, taking the | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
key wicket of Chris Gayle with the
very first ball of the day and he | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
then removed Shai Hope to leave the
West Indies at 2-2 but they are now | 0:16:09 | 0:16:18 | |
99-2 after 24 overs. And we were
talking about England goalkeepers at | 0:16:18 | 0:16:24 | |
the World Cup, if you're hoping to
be selected you will want to avoid | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
something like this happening. This
was a video on social media, some | 0:16:28 | 0:16:34 | |
street football in Argentina. Superb
skill. A little unfair on the | 0:16:34 | 0:16:41 | |
goalkeeper! There is no coming back
from that. We know that penalties | 0:16:41 | 0:16:46 | |
might feature in the World Cup but I
would be very impressed if anybody | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
tries that! Amazing! Thank you,
John. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:57 | |
This morning - is there enough
help for people addicted | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
to prescription painkillers? | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
Those who have been addicted to them
have told this programme they have | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
been failed at every step. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:15 | |
Nearly 24 million painkillers,
like Tramadol and morphine, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
were prescribed last year -
that's about 2,700 packs an hour. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
We know that Ant McPartlin is taking
a break from TV to enter | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
rehab for a second time. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:28 | |
Last year he revealed his addiction
to prescription drugs | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
following a routine knee operation. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
Later on in the programme,
we'll look at what this could mean | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
for the future of Ant and Dec -
two of the biggest names in TV. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:41 | |
But first, we want to look
at the devastating impact addiction | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
to prescription drugs can have
and we want to hear from you too. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
Do get in touch
with your experiences. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:52 | |
We can talk now to Nicki Hari,
who says her GP made an addict | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
of her in prescribing them,
but then had no idea how | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
to help her dependency,
which ended up lasting 25 years, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
Antony Corrigan was addicted
to Tramadol, and says he had | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
to fight his GP to get off the drug. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
Eytan Alexander, who runs Ukat,
a private addiction centre that has | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
referrals from NHS patients in need,
to rehab for painkiller dependency. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
And Cathy Stannard
joins us from Bristol, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
and is a pain consultant. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
She's developing a model
of painkiller support services | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
for NHS Gloucestershire. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
Thank you for joining us. I want to
start with you, Nicki. You were very | 0:18:29 | 0:18:37 | |
young when you put on in strong
painkillers, just 14. I was 14 I had | 0:18:37 | 0:18:43 | |
my first operation and I was given
paracetamol and Nurofen also it was | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
not until I was 18 that I was put on
very strong painkillers after having | 0:18:48 | 0:18:54 | |
my appendix out. What were you put
on? Codeine, De Goede Mull, tramadol | 0:18:54 | 0:19:02 | |
and at the time I realised that I
actually really liked the feeling. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:10 | |
It was like being on a pink fluffy
cloud, all my worries and stresses | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
went away. I felt relaxed about
everything. The pain I thought I had | 0:19:15 | 0:19:22 | |
disappeared. That was when it
started. It did not continue | 0:19:22 | 0:19:30 | |
solidly... I was going to ask,
presumably you came off those drugs | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
after the operation? I came off them
out was not until I got into rehab | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
and I looked at my journey from
start to finish, well, not finish, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:47 | |
because I have not finished it yet,
but I realised I could see a pattern | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
forming on how I loved having the
feeling of prescription painkillers. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:59 | |
It was very easy to manipulate the
system. At the time the GPs were | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
giving them out quite freely. I
would say that I was in a lot of | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
pain and be given a tramadol repeat
prescription for six months so I did | 0:20:07 | 0:20:14 | |
not even had to go to the GP. It
doesn't take very long to become | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
addicted, seven to ten days and
you're hooked. I can see as you are | 0:20:19 | 0:20:27 | |
speaking that Anthony is nodding.
Was that your experience as well? | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
Very much so, my story is very
similar. I went to the doctor with | 0:20:31 | 0:20:38 | |
severe pain in my back, I found
myself not able to sit, standing up | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
a lot and walking around so I went
to the doctors and pretty much | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
immediately they offered me tramadol
and they thought I might have | 0:20:48 | 0:20:55 | |
sciatica so they offered me another
painkiller that I took. They told me | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
to take up to 24 tablets per day,
nothing at all. I came home and took | 0:20:59 | 0:21:05 | |
the first dose and I was completely
out of it. I was zombified. My | 0:21:05 | 0:21:12 | |
partner was concerned and did not
want me to continue but I put my | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
trust in the doctor that this was
what I needed and it was addressing | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
a health need. I did not see it as a
problem. How long were you on those | 0:21:19 | 0:21:24 | |
drugs? In total about two and a half
years. It started gradually, they | 0:21:24 | 0:21:33 | |
said to take two tramadol every four
hours, eight tablets a day and I was | 0:21:33 | 0:21:39 | |
also taking gabapentin, that was
four tablets a day. I was not able | 0:21:39 | 0:21:47 | |
to function well. I was out of it,
it caused me problems at work, I was | 0:21:47 | 0:21:54 | |
in temporary work at the time so I
was phoning in sick because I could | 0:21:54 | 0:22:00 | |
not tolerate the pills and I ended
up losing jobs because of it for so | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
I felt the doctor was too ready to
give it to me without talking about | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
what might happen. He didn't even
offer to send me for tests to see | 0:22:09 | 0:22:15 | |
what the problem with my back would
be, it was just, take these, these | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
can help. I put my trust in my
doctor to help me and I now have | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
this feeling of absolute ignorance
that I did not go home and research | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
this result but why would I? I'm not
the trained person here. I want to | 0:22:28 | 0:22:34 | |
bring in Eytan, you looked surprised
at the second drug he had been | 0:22:34 | 0:22:41 | |
given? We see a whole host of drugs.
The mainstream drugs but something | 0:22:41 | 0:22:48 | |
like gabapentin, sleeping drug, any
form of prescription drug not taken | 0:22:48 | 0:22:58 | |
as prescribed can have an addictive
process to it was up you form a | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
chemical dependence on it. It is the
same thing them if you are a heroine | 0:23:03 | 0:23:11 | |
user, if you stop taking it, you go
into withdrawal and the same with | 0:23:11 | 0:23:16 | |
description drugs, you start feeling
unwell and you think you need to | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
take more. It is a self fulfilling
prophecy. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:29 | |
prophecy. Patients are unaware of
what is actually happening, they | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
just go and take it themselves. I
was taking the medication purely as | 0:23:34 | 0:23:40 | |
prescribed by Mike GP, I was not
abusing the medication or increasing | 0:23:40 | 0:23:46 | |
the dose is, I was taking what I was
advised to take. OK. Again, I | 0:23:46 | 0:23:54 | |
started off like that and like Eytan
said, the pain went away but I felt | 0:23:54 | 0:24:02 | |
the GPs were not actually dealing
with the pain. I agree. I think | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
there should be more pain management
clinics, you should be given options | 0:24:07 | 0:24:12 | |
of alternative medicines as opposed
to prescribing such addictive | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
painkillers to patients. I want to
bring in Cathy. A lot of accusations | 0:24:16 | 0:24:23 | |
being made about GPs giving out
these kinds of drugs too readily. Do | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
you think it is their criticism? I
think it is difficult that if you | 0:24:28 | 0:24:33 | |
are a health care professional with
somebody in front of you who has | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
pain, and the accounts of Anthony
and Nicki are really tough, and it | 0:24:36 | 0:24:46 | |
is tough to not give somebody when
-- give something when somebody is | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
in pain is that it is a complex
interaction and the other thing it | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
is there to say, what has changed is
our knowledge and understanding of | 0:24:54 | 0:25:00 | |
how these tablets work. No doubt
that a few years ago we thought they | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
were probably the best thing to give
people with severe pain and it is | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
only now we are better able to
understand evidence and so on that | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
we realise in the long term they are
not the best thing. We all have to | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
put up our hands and said we'd
started patients on things that | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
maybe now we would not do. I think
two things that came clearly out of | 0:25:19 | 0:25:25 | |
those stories, one from Nicki was
that very soon she found that the | 0:25:25 | 0:25:33 | |
medicines helped her with getting
through life, made her feel floaty | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
like being on a cloud, that is one
of the things that keeps people | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
using them. And both said the
crucial thing to watch out for, when | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
you stop taking them you feel worse
so you continue to take them to stop | 0:25:48 | 0:25:54 | |
feeling worse and that is the marker
of when you have to have a | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
conversation with your health care
professional about how to support | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
you in coming off. Let me read you
some of the messages we are getting | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
about this. A text from cat saying,
I've been taking large quantities of | 0:26:05 | 0:26:12 | |
morphine for over 17 years and I'm
dependent on them, taking them for | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
chronic pain in the spine after a
hit and run. Ruth says she was | 0:26:15 | 0:26:21 | |
predicted for years because of
constant headaches and got to the | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
point where she could not function
without them. No investigations were | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
carried out for 15 years until an
MRI scan for a different issue found | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
an aneurysm on the brain. I had to
wean myself off the painkillers | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
slowly and they controlled my life.
Did it change the person you were? | 0:26:36 | 0:26:42 | |
Completely, I did not see it but my
friends and family did. I became | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
vacant, absent from situations,
family get-togethers I was not there | 0:26:46 | 0:26:54 | |
for events at my children's school
force up you literally did not go | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
ought you were there and had no
recollection? I didn't go, I had no | 0:26:58 | 0:27:05 | |
motivation in life. Everything was
just numb. It is hard to describe | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
but you're in a cloud, a bubble and
you can't find a way out. When you | 0:27:09 | 0:27:19 | |
stop taking them, you realise you're
going into severe withdrawal the | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
same way a heroin addict would for
submitting cramps, night sweats, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:30 | |
shakes, your bones are aching and
you don't understand what is | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
happening. You think it is because
of the pain you are in, whether it | 0:27:32 | 0:27:37 | |
is your back or your knee or
whatever but what it is is | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
withdrawal from the medication. When
I saw my GP there was no help with | 0:27:42 | 0:27:48 | |
coming off it. You cannot just stop
taking painkillers, you have to do a | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
reduction programme and there is not
that help available. Did you get | 0:27:53 | 0:27:58 | |
that support, Anthony? I don't feel
I did. I went to my GP several times | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
and I said I felt I had a dependency
on the tablets. I had managed to | 0:28:03 | 0:28:09 | |
wean myself to a low dose but when I
tried to not take that last small | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
dose I was getting severe withdrawal
and as Nicki said, I was getting hot | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
sweats and cold flushes at the same
time, shaking a lot, the insomnia | 0:28:19 | 0:28:25 | |
was the worst I experienced, I would
fall asleep and immediately jolt | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
awake and could not get back to
sleep. I was moody, my partner was | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
completely concerned about me. It
was helpful to exercise but because | 0:28:33 | 0:28:38 | |
I was taking the tablets, up to the
Defour per day, I could not motivate | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
myself, I could not move around --
up to 24 per day. I was irritable | 0:28:43 | 0:28:51 | |
and I relate to what Nicki is
saying. I had to beg the doctor and | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
plead and eventually they gave me
zopiclone for one week, sleeping | 0:28:56 | 0:29:03 | |
medication which I took to get over
the initial period of withdrawal. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
Thankfully, with that, I was able to
come through it. It took about three | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
months from that point to not feel
anything, the restless arms and | 0:29:13 | 0:29:19 | |
legs, and had to have a pair of
pliers in my hand to squeeze all the | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
time to take that horrible peeling
away and that was for about three | 0:29:23 | 0:29:29 | |
months afterwards -- horrible
feeling. I had not taken tramadol | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
and gabapentin for a year but I
still have the pain and the | 0:29:31 | 0:29:37 | |
herniated disc but I would rather
suffer the pain than the addiction | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
and the withdrawal, I'm not prepared
to go through that again. People are | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
getting in touch echoing what you're
saying. Paul says he has been on | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
painkillers for 17 years because of
bladder cancer, my doctor tried to | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
cut back but my body will not have
it. My doctor doesn't know the way | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
of getting professional help and I'm
still trying. Another text said they | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
had an accident that resulted in
taking tramadol, take them for six | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
months before the GB stop them,
advanced advice they went cold | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
turkey and it was one of the worst
experiences that you could go | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
through. A final thought before we
wrap it up, from all of you, we have | 0:30:14 | 0:30:22 | |
heard Ant McPartlin has got into
rehab again and now we know he had a | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
stint in the summer for addiction to
painkillers. Your thoughts on what | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
he could be going through now and
from your own experience? | 0:30:29 | 0:30:37 | |
I was fortunate enough I had private
medical insurance at the time. The | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
only way I could get help was going
into a private residential detox. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:48 | |
And I think that's where,
unfortunately, because there is no | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
help on the NHS a lot of people are
contacting helplines were they try | 0:30:51 | 0:30:59 | |
and help people get into rehab. What
he is probably feeling now is shame, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:05 | |
guilt, that he has let everybody
down. But having been in rehab, he | 0:31:05 | 0:31:12 | |
came out and he went straight back
into his old lifestyle, not | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
realising, not really dealing with
his Demons. So he needs to kind of | 0:31:17 | 0:31:23 | |
understand the programme, have a
complete detox. In rehab you are | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
broken down. They are there to teach
you, to break you down. It's easy to | 0:31:27 | 0:31:38 | |
stop taking drugs through a detox.
It's staying stopped which is the | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
issue. Continuing the process of,
what do I do after leaving | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
treatment? How do I stay in recovery
instead of going back to my old | 0:31:47 | 0:31:53 | |
lifestyle and old behaviours? Maybe
I'll just have one. The thought of | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
that first one spirals again into
the next process. It's very easy to | 0:31:56 | 0:32:02 | |
fall back into the trap. With people
like me who still have the issue, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
the issue has never been resolved. I
have had scans that show the issue. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:13 | |
I still have that problem. I know
choose not to take the drug. Nicky | 0:32:13 | 0:32:19 | |
said she had access to that private
facility. Many people like myself, I | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
don't have that. I have to put my
trust in my GP. I have two trust | 0:32:24 | 0:32:29 | |
where they refer me. I don't have
any means to pay for private health | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
care or things like that. Touching a
little bit more on Ant McPartlin, I | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
should imagine he feels embarrassed
and ashamed that maybe he has failed | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
the first time around. This is such
a powerful addiction that it doesn't | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
surprise me that is the case. I just
hope he gets the help he needs. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:53 | |
I think the main message is to talk
about it. One of the things that we | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
all hear is that people don't want
to talk about it to the GP. They | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
don't want to admit to addiction.
GPs are maybe not looking for it. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
Get the diagnosis. Then I think
there are a number of things. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
Sometimes people will do well with a
gradual reduction. Sometimes you | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
have to get help from NHS addiction
services, which are thinly | 0:33:13 | 0:33:19 | |
stretched. It is about admitting to
a problem first of all. There are | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
sources of help out there.
One size does not fit all. Thank you | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
all for coming in. I want to read
this statement from the Department | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
of Health. They say it has already
become a big issue another overseas | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
countries and we are determined to
make sure it doesn't happen here. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
When we understand the scale of the
problem, we will look at a range of | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
policy options to tackle the issue.
Thank you for coming in. After ten | 0:33:42 | 0:33:48 | |
o'clock, we will ask about the
future of ant and deck. We are keen | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
to hear your experience of
painkiller addiction. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
-- Anton deck. Tens of thousands of
people with chronic illnesses are | 0:33:54 | 0:34:02 | |
disabilities may have been paid too
little in benefits due to an error. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:07 | |
We hear from people who think they
may have been affected. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:13 | |
Time for the latest news. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:14 | |
Here's Joanna. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
More than a million NHS staff
are poised for a pay rise | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
with a deal that could be worth
as much as £4 billion | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
being announced by lunchtime today. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
The BBC understands that health
bosses and unions have reached | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
an agreement that will mark an end
to a seven-year cap and boost | 0:34:29 | 0:34:34 | |
the salaries of workers including
nurses, porters and paramedics, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
but not doctors. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:38 | |
Facebook will be questioned
by politicians in Washington today | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
as the company comes under growing
pressure to explain how data | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
from 50 million users was used
by a British Company | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
during the US presidential election. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:47 | |
It's alleged that Cambridge
Analytica used the data to target | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
voters and influence
the election outcome. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
That company's chief executive,
Alexander Nix, has been suspended. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
Both firms deny any wrongdoing. | 0:34:53 | 0:35:01 | |
Reports from the United States say
the suspect in a series | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
of bombings in Texas is dead
after blowing himself up. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
Five devices have detonated so far
this month and killed two people. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted
before it exploded. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
The amount of plastic in the ocean
could treble within a decade, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
unless action is taken to tackle
the problem, a major | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
report has warned. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:23 | |
The Foresight Future
of the Sea Report for the UK | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
Government says plastics is just one
issue facing the world's seas, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
along with rising sea
levels and warming oceans. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
It also says much more knowledge
is needed about the ocean. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:39 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
Thank you. You are still getting in
touch with your experiences of | 0:35:44 | 0:35:50 | |
painkiller addiction. Robin says he
is so terribly sorry for the | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
participants and their valour
experiences. -- valid. He ended up | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
at NA any last weekend. He was given
the opportunity without judgment to | 0:35:59 | 0:36:05 | |
outline his problem. Pain relief was
given without question. "I Was so | 0:36:05 | 0:36:13 | |
grateful for the common-sense
approach. I didn't have to beg and I | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
wasn't treated like an addict.
Thanks to those doctors who make a | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
good judgment call. " Share your
experiences with us throughout the | 0:36:19 | 0:36:25 | |
morning. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:25 | |
Here's some sport now with John. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
Hello. Scotland are hoping to
qualify for next year's Cricket | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
World Cup. Beat the West Indies and
the place is theirs. They dismissed | 0:36:33 | 0:36:39 | |
Gale for naught. A short while ago
the West Indies were 116-2. England | 0:36:39 | 0:36:45 | |
captain Joel Ruud says the return of
Ben Stokes to the England team is a | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
huge boost. -- Joe Root. From
milkman to the World Cup, Nick Pope | 0:36:49 | 0:36:56 | |
will hope he can impress Gareth
Southgate in England's friendlies | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
with the Netherlands and Italy, nine
years after he was released by | 0:36:59 | 0:37:05 | |
Ipswich. And two British teams could
reach the semifinals of the | 0:37:05 | 0:37:12 | |
Champions League for the first time
if Manchester City and Chelsea can | 0:37:12 | 0:37:17 | |
come through their quarterfinal
ties, the first of which are being | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
played tonight. Some big matches to
come later. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:26 | |
That is all the sport for now. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
Tens of thousands of people
with chronic illnesses | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
or disabilities may have been paid
too little in benefits due | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
to an error in calculating
the main sickness benefit, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
Employment and Support Allowance. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
Around 70,000 claimants are due
a repayment of up to £20,000 | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
which could cost the government more
than £800 million. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
Around 2.4 million people claim
Employment and Support Allowance | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
because they are unable or have
limited capacity to work. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
We can talk to two people who think
they may have been affected. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
Heidi Niel is on ESA,
and had been on incapacity benefit | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
after she had a massive heart
attack at 38. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:08 | |
Tracey Flynn, who lost her job
after the birth of her second | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
child because of her
chronic rheumatoid arthritis. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
Also with us, Labour MP and member
of Parliament's Work | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
and Pensions Select Committee Neil
Coyle. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:25 | |
Thank you all for taking the time
out to speak to us. Heidi, I want to | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
start with you. I know that you have
struggled since your benefits have | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
changed. Explain in practical terms
and in day-to-day life what that has | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
meant to you? Well, initially I had
no idea about this incapacity DSA. I | 0:38:39 | 0:38:47 | |
just got a letter to say the name
changed. Until I was notified | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
literally yesterday morning there
may be an issue, I literally had no | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
idea. They tend to fudge you with
paperwork, which grind you down | 0:38:54 | 0:39:00 | |
continuously. My benefit was then
stopped in August of this year, when | 0:39:00 | 0:39:07 | |
it switched over to Universal
Credit. And I'm now going through | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
the appeals process to get me back
onto DSA. Now I'm wondering if it | 0:39:10 | 0:39:17 | |
should be an appeals process to get
me back onto incapacity. It is so | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
hard to keep up with where you were
supposed to be. Thank heavens for | 0:39:22 | 0:39:28 | |
the Citizens Advice Bureau. I'm sure
they have been flooded with these | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
problems. Day-to-day living has been
an absolute nightmare. Wondering | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
whether I can afford to have heating
on. Basic stuff. Literally basic | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
stuff. And being told you can use
the food bank. I mean, where is that | 0:39:39 | 0:39:45 | |
normal? To me it is not. You have
also had bailiffs around, I | 0:39:45 | 0:39:51 | |
understand? Yes. When your benefit
is stopped, with the | 0:39:51 | 0:40:00 | |
is stopped, with the incapacity
DSA... They were trying to do it on | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
the employment and support allowance
as well. I have had to go back to | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
certificates. I had been fully
assessed and was told that I was | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
effectively permanently unfit to
work until deemed fit to work. So I | 0:40:12 | 0:40:18 | |
had to go through that again. That
has been an absolute nightmare. I | 0:40:18 | 0:40:24 | |
want to also bring in Tracy to hear
her experiences. I know that you | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
have chronic rheumatoid arthritis. I
also know that you have got pretty | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
young children who are registered
carers. So juggling all of this must | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
be incredibly stressful for you. It
is. And when you factor in DWP | 0:40:37 | 0:40:45 | |
involvement, it is never
straightforward. I was moved from | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
incapacity benefit to employment and
support allowance in 2011. I was | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
actually found that I had a limited
fitness to work. Despite the fact I | 0:40:53 | 0:41:00 | |
have been retired on ill-health
grounds from a government | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
department. That was from a
sedentary position. The amount of | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
treatment that I have, and the
amount of intervention by the NHS, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:13 | |
my GP, my occupational therapist, my
consultant, and the fact that my | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
rheumatoid is not particularly well
controlled, I have a suppressed | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
immune system, and the amount of
monitoring that goes on, means it's | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
very difficult for me to hold down a
job and provide effective and | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
efficient services as an employee,
which is the reason that I've lost | 0:41:29 | 0:41:35 | |
my job in the first place. I just
couldn't manage to get into work and | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
do my job. Neil Coyle, I want to
bring you in. 70,000 claimants here | 0:41:39 | 0:41:47 | |
could be looking at a huge payment
of Ulster £20,000. The average | 0:41:47 | 0:41:54 | |
amount we understand will be £5,000.
How on earth are we got in this | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
position? | 0:41:58 | 0:42:03 | |
position? Sadly, disability UK
described it as a shambolic | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
catalogue of errors. The Department
for Work and Pensions, back in 2014, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
when this problem was first
identified, four years ago, it could | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
have been dealt with at the time.
But it has been completely | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
overstretched and under resourced.
The coalition government axed | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
thousands of civil servants and left
those remaining are unable to make | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
the decisions properly. We've got an
assessment process the government | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
pays millions of pounds to
administer. It is failing disabled | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
people routinely. We have had
Universal Credit with its problems, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:42 | |
Personal Independent Payment is,
whether urban lot of problems. Now | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
that we know that employment and
support allowance, which only helps | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
disabled people, we now know there
were these 70,000 disabled people | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
who are owed at least £2500. The
government really needs to apologise | 0:42:53 | 0:42:59 | |
and do it very quickly and make
these payments, make these back | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
payments as quickly as possible. The
Department for Work and Pensions say | 0:43:03 | 0:43:08 | |
they will not comment on individuals
but say they are well under way with | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
the plan to identify and repay
people affected. Payments have | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
already started. "We Are committed
to making sure people get what they | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
are entitled to as quickly as
possible. Everybody who could be | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
affected will be contacted directly
by the Department." Heidi, what | 0:43:23 | 0:43:28 | |
difference would it make if you had
some money that came in, that was an | 0:43:28 | 0:43:35 | |
average of £5,000? What difference
would that make your life? Obviously | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
in the media didn't help me pay off
the debts that are now spiralling | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
out of control. The more the money
is not back in the... Without some | 0:43:42 | 0:43:51 | |
sort of regular structure, which is
what they had before, yes OK, it | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
wasn't a brilliant amount, but I had
worked out budgetary wise. Even if I | 0:43:55 | 0:44:00 | |
could just get back to that state,
initially, yes it would help me pay | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
off some debts. But literally the
whole system needs to be looked at. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:12 | |
What is the saying, if it ain't
broke, don't fix it. Everything as | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
far as I was concerned was OK. I was
living not comfortably, not a | 0:44:15 | 0:44:22 | |
luxurious life, but I had it all
under control. They keep changing | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
the goal post and it has thrown
everybody into a tailspin, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
depression, suicide. It's just
awful. I wouldn't wish this on my | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
worst enemy, literally.
Heidi, thank you for sharing your | 0:44:32 | 0:44:37 | |
story. Thank you to Tracy and Neil
Coyle first begin to us as well. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:45 | |
America is good at electing
celebrities into office. Six and the | 0:44:48 | 0:44:53 | |
city star Cynthia Nixon, who played
Miranda Hobbes in the series, is | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
hoping to get in the act. Is
launching a bid to get elected for | 0:44:56 | 0:45:02 | |
the Democrats.
She held an election rally | 0:45:02 | 0:45:03 | |
overnight. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
New York is where I was was raised
and where I'm raising my kids. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:30 | |
And to the thousands
of you standing in this square | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
participating in history... | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
The Cambridge psychologist who
created an apt to harvest the | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
personal data of millions of
Facebook users has insisted he is | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
done nothing wrong, it was claimed
the information was used without | 0:46:33 | 0:46:38 | |
permission to persuade people to
vote for Donald Trump in the US | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
elections. Doctor Alexander Kogan
has been speaking to Radio 4. I am | 0:46:40 | 0:46:47 | |
stunned by most of this, it has
never been my understanding. The | 0:46:47 | 0:46:52 | |
events of the past week have been a
total shell shock. My view is that | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
I'm being used as a scapegoat by
Facebook and Cambridge Analytica | 0:46:57 | 0:47:03 | |
when honestly we thought we were
acting perfectly appropriately, we | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
thought we were doing something
normal and we were assured by | 0:47:06 | 0:47:13 | |
Cambridge Analytica that everything
was legal in terms of the terms of | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
service. Cambridge Analytica, the
London based firm that has been | 0:47:16 | 0:47:22 | |
accused of harvesting Facebook
information for political clients, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
has suspended its chief executive.
It said comments made by Alexander | 0:47:24 | 0:47:30 | |
Nix to an undercover reporter do not
reflect its values. The undercover | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
investigation showed Alexander Nix
boasting he had met Donald Trump | 0:47:33 | 0:47:39 | |
many times. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:45 | |
Facebook has been used by political
parties and campaign groups | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
for over a decade now to try
and spread their message | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
and win over supporters. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:00 | |
When does legitimate
campaigning become unethical | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
and potentially illegal? | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
James McGrory is the executive
director of Open Britain, a | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
pro-EU campaign group. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:11 | |
He was the head of press
for the Stronger In campaign group | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
during the Brexit referendum
who argued that the UK | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
should stay In the EU. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:24 | |
What are the kinds of conversations
that take place in political parties | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
about the use of this kind of data?
First and foremost it had to be | 0:48:28 | 0:48:33 | |
legal for the big companies like
Facebook and political parties as | 0:48:33 | 0:48:38 | |
well as businesses and media
organisations hold a lot of data | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
about people and that's not a bad
thing necessary as long as it has | 0:48:40 | 0:48:44 | |
been got hold of correctly and used
correctly. There are legitimate and | 0:48:44 | 0:48:50 | |
good uses of social media
campaigning amongst political | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
parties. People say politics is too
distant, so go where people are, to | 0:48:52 | 0:48:59 | |
Facebook and Twitter and Instagram.
What you had to be sure about it | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
that you are gathering the data
correctly and using it correctly. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
And that people know you have their
data. When you sign up you are clear | 0:49:06 | 0:49:11 | |
about what your data will and will
not be used for and while I do not | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
know every in and out of what has
gone on, that appears to be the most | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
serious allegation, that data has
been so-called scraped without not | 0:49:18 | 0:49:23 | |
only the consent of the users but
the consent of many friends and | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
family. That seems to be an
appalling use of data. However, the | 0:49:27 | 0:49:33 | |
idea that you go on Facebook and you
say you are interested in the EU as | 0:49:33 | 0:49:38 | |
an issue or the environment, why
shouldn't political partisan | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
campaigns say, we have an advert and
a policy we think you're interested | 0:49:42 | 0:49:47 | |
in and target that advert. Is it
ethical? I don't see why not also if | 0:49:47 | 0:49:55 | |
you give your details to Facebook
and their clear in that example | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
about what your data is and is not
used for, you can get an advert from | 0:49:59 | 0:50:04 | |
a political party or campaign and
you can click on that, and it will | 0:50:04 | 0:50:10 | |
take you are seeing this advert
because this group of people want | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
you to see it because you are
interested in the environment. If | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
you don't want to see any more,
click here. Not every political | 0:50:15 | 0:50:20 | |
party or campaign or business is
going to be able to get the right at | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
that at the right person all the
time but they want to advertise. At | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
the same time you should be able to
say, I don't want to see this any | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
more. It is about the rules and
transparency with which you operate. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
In my opinion there is nothing wrong
with political campaigns like any | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
business or any group of people
wanting to talk to people on social | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
media. I wonder if people on social
media as they did over those | 0:50:41 | 0:50:46 | |
details, even if it is obvious, who
read the terms and conditions? Is it | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
fair when people are giving over
that information that it gets used | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
by political parties because they
might not realise it. There is a big | 0:50:53 | 0:50:59 | |
distinction to make it is not
necessarily used by political | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
parties... It is used to target. It
is used to target by Facebook. You | 0:51:02 | 0:51:08 | |
have never used it within political
campaigning information you had to | 0:51:08 | 0:51:13 | |
target particular voters? You can do
that as well, it is nothing new. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
Political parties even before
Facebook were delivering Leaf books | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
to people that were different in one
area to another, people are | 0:51:20 | 0:51:25 | |
interested in their local
communities. If you have a young | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
family you might have interest in
child care or shared parental leave | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
and someone who did not a family
might not be interested in that. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
People say that politics is too
distant. There is merit in that also | 0:51:35 | 0:51:40 | |
we can't say at the same time that
we cannot allow political partisan | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
campaigns to talk to people about
the issues that we know matter to | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
them. That is part and parcel of
politics whether on the doorstep or | 0:51:47 | 0:51:52 | |
on an app on your phone. While there
are serious questions to answer in | 0:51:52 | 0:51:58 | |
this, we have to be careful about
throwing the baby out with the bath | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
water and saying that all political
campaigning online, as long as it is | 0:52:02 | 0:52:09 | |
done appropriately and transparency
and people can unsubscribe from all | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
of the things that people should do
and by and large do do, it can be a | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
force for good. Thank you for coming
in. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
The hashtag DeleteFacebook
has been trending | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
for the last 24 hours in protest
at the company's data | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
and privacy policies. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:23 | |
Let's speak to two people who have
deleted their accounts. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
James Giblin, who's been on Facebook
for ten years and is | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
training to be a teacher. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:29 | |
And Eva Dull, who's
been on it nine years | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
and works in marketing. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
Is it a knee jerk reaction or had
you thinking about getting off it | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
for a while? I have been thinking
about it for a while. This kind of | 0:52:40 | 0:52:46 | |
thing has been common knowledge
among people for a while, data | 0:52:46 | 0:52:51 | |
breaches and stuff like that. And on
the back of the Twitter campaign, I | 0:52:51 | 0:52:57 | |
thought it was something to get
behind to finally push Facebook into | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
the past. What about you, Eva, why
did you decide to the league now? I | 0:53:01 | 0:53:07 | |
have been thought about deleting for
two or three years. I think when | 0:53:07 | 0:53:14 | |
Facebook became a bit frustrating,
not sure if they ran ads before it | 0:53:14 | 0:53:19 | |
is well, but it was two and a half
years ago when it started | 0:53:19 | 0:53:24 | |
frustrating the. I started using it
less and less. I have not really | 0:53:24 | 0:53:29 | |
posted anything in about a year. So
I think this was kind of like what | 0:53:29 | 0:53:37 | |
pushed me over the edge and I said,
I don't actually get anything out of | 0:53:37 | 0:53:42 | |
it. In that sense is it about trust
or saying that I'm done? I think I | 0:53:42 | 0:53:55 | |
kind of doubted the trust issue a
while ago because I have been | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
expecting some kind of a story like
this to break for some time. I have | 0:53:58 | 0:54:03 | |
been following Cambridge Analytica
for just over a year. And I think | 0:54:03 | 0:54:11 | |
this was kind of the final straw but
at the same time I feel... It looks | 0:54:11 | 0:54:19 | |
like we have lost the line with Eva.
We can bring in James again. Do you | 0:54:19 | 0:54:26 | |
think we are a bit naive in what we
share on Facebook? It is free to | 0:54:26 | 0:54:32 | |
use, they will want something out
the deal, something back, and | 0:54:32 | 0:54:38 | |
ultimately that is our information.
I understand that but a lot of users | 0:54:38 | 0:54:44 | |
might be over 50 and not really
familiar with how the internet works | 0:54:44 | 0:54:49 | |
and how Facebook works as a
platform. Nobody is given a crash | 0:54:49 | 0:54:54 | |
course in how to use the platform.
They might be naive in the sense | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
that they might share personal
information like bank details to the | 0:54:58 | 0:55:03 | |
partners and they are not aware of
where the data has been stored or | 0:55:03 | 0:55:08 | |
what it is being used for and things
like that. Thank you for joining us | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
this morning and explaining why you
are deleting Facebook. More on the | 0:55:12 | 0:55:17 | |
breaking news we brought you
earlier, reports from Texas that a | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
suspected serial bomber has died
after being pursued by police. Some | 0:55:21 | 0:55:27 | |
reports say he blew himself up. It
follows a series of parcel bomb | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
attacks in the city of Austin where
to Maccabi blabbing killed and | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
several injured. Our correspondent
can tell us more -- where two people | 0:55:35 | 0:55:41 | |
have been killed. The breakthrough
happened yesterday where there were | 0:55:41 | 0:55:46 | |
two devices found at two separate
FedEx facilities, one look up and | 0:55:46 | 0:55:51 | |
one did not. They were able to get
DNA from that and also CCTV footage | 0:55:51 | 0:55:57 | |
of a suspect. They released an image
of the suspect in a cap and it | 0:55:57 | 0:56:02 | |
appears this morning that they were
able to locate the suspect at a | 0:56:02 | 0:56:07 | |
hotel outside Austin. They blocked
off Interstate 35, a highway, and | 0:56:07 | 0:56:14 | |
they were pursuing him and it
appears he blew himself up. An | 0:56:14 | 0:56:20 | |
eyewitness was at home when he heard
police sirens. They were close to | 0:56:20 | 0:56:24 | |
the woods and obviously the cops saw
us and they approached us. I don't | 0:56:24 | 0:56:30 | |
know who it was, they were in
military gear. They asked us to | 0:56:30 | 0:56:35 | |
leave. You know that the Austin
bombing suspect is dead? Is he | 0:56:35 | 0:56:41 | |
really? We were able to confirm
that. We can go live to Texas where | 0:56:41 | 0:56:47 | |
police are giving a briefing. About
the level of partnership that has | 0:56:47 | 0:56:53 | |
taken place with our federal
officials, our local officials and | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
police department to bring this to
an end. And through all of this hard | 0:56:57 | 0:57:04 | |
work, we identified several leads
throughout the course of the week 's | 0:57:04 | 0:57:11 | |
but beginning within the past 24-36
hours a week started getting | 0:57:11 | 0:57:16 | |
information on one person of
interest that we continue to work on | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
and continued to develop and as we
continued to do our investigations, | 0:57:20 | 0:57:25 | |
this person of interest ultimately
moved to being a suspect and that is | 0:57:25 | 0:57:31 | |
what we started focusing on, his
involvement in these crimes. Late | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
last night and early this morning we
felt very confident that this was | 0:57:35 | 0:57:40 | |
the suspect in the bombing incidents
that took place in Austin. We had | 0:57:40 | 0:57:47 | |
surveillance teams looking for the
suspect and we ultimately located | 0:57:47 | 0:57:53 | |
the vehicle that this suspect was
known to be driving and witnesses | 0:57:53 | 0:57:58 | |
told us he was driving and in fact
we found that at a hotel right up | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
the road here. We had multiple
officers from both the police | 0:58:02 | 0:58:08 | |
department and our federal partners
that took up the dishes around the | 0:58:08 | 0:58:14 | |
hotel awaiting the arrival of our
tactical teams because we wanted to | 0:58:14 | 0:58:20 | |
have ballistic vehicles here so we
could attempt to take this suspect | 0:58:20 | 0:58:24 | |
into custody as safely as possible.
While we were waiting for those | 0:58:24 | 0:58:28 | |
vehicles to get here, much time had
passed and the vehicle started to | 0:58:28 | 0:58:33 | |
drive away. We began following the
vehicle, again, waiting to get the | 0:58:33 | 0:58:42 | |
tactical vehicles here so we could
make a stop. However, the vehicle | 0:58:42 | 0:58:46 | |
ended up stopping in the ditch at
the side of the road behind us. As | 0:58:46 | 0:58:53 | |
members of the Austin police
Department SWAT team approached the | 0:58:53 | 0:58:57 | |
vehicle, the suspect detonated a
bomb inside the vehicle, knocking | 0:58:57 | 0:59:03 | |
one of our SWAT officers back and
one of them fired at the suspect as | 0:59:03 | 0:59:08 | |
well. The suspect is deceased and
has significant injuries from a | 0:59:08 | 0:59:15 | |
blast that occurred from detonating
a bomb inside his vehicle. We cannot | 0:59:15 | 0:59:21 | |
name the suspect at this time
because he has not been positively | 0:59:21 | 0:59:25 | |
identified yet by the medical
examiner and next of kin have not | 0:59:25 | 0:59:30 | |
yet been notified. That is a live
press conference from Austin Texas | 0:59:30 | 0:59:34 | |
with police giving us an update on
the suspect linked to the parcel | 0:59:34 | 0:59:42 | |
bomb attacks, giving the status of
his death in the early hours of this | 0:59:42 | 0:59:46 | |
morning. We will bring you updates
on that in the programme. That get | 0:59:46 | 0:59:50 | |
the latest weather now. | 0:59:50 | 0:59:51 | |
It has been a chilly start for many,
some lovely pictures coming in, some | 0:59:53 | 0:59:58 | |
frost on the ground and sunshine to
start the day as well. The sunshine | 0:59:58 | 1:00:03 | |
some of us have will turn hazier
through the day and that is because | 1:00:03 | 1:00:07 | |
we have a weather front which
continues its journey moving | 1:00:07 | 1:00:11 | |
south-eastward and taking the cloud
with it as it does and some will | 1:00:11 | 1:00:15 | |
have some patchy rain and drizzle.
It will be mild, the cloud in | 1:00:15 | 1:00:21 | |
Scotland, Northern Ireland and
England, colder in the South so we | 1:00:21 | 1:00:26 | |
have the blues and even today later
on and tomorrow, most of us will | 1:00:26 | 1:00:33 | |
have milder conditions. The bright
sunny skies across England and Wales | 1:00:33 | 1:00:37 | |
will be replaced by hazier skies,
again some patchy light rain and | 1:00:37 | 1:00:41 | |
drizzle, mostly across northern
England and Wales. Still some | 1:00:41 | 1:00:46 | |
showery outbreaks in Scotland behind
the main weather front. We could see | 1:00:46 | 1:00:53 | |
12 Celsius this afternoon in
Scotland and we have not had that | 1:00:53 | 1:00:54 | |
for some time. Further south, 7-11d.
This evening and overnight the | 1:00:54 | 1:01:01 | |
weather front continues to move
south eastwards, taking the rain | 1:01:01 | 1:01:07 | |
with it, and the showery outbreaks
continue in western Scotland. In | 1:01:07 | 1:01:11 | |
between with clearer skies, some
patchy mist and fog. Not many | 1:01:11 | 1:01:16 | |
problems with frost because
temperatures compared to this | 1:01:16 | 1:01:18 | |
morning are much higher also this
morning it was freezing or below but | 1:01:18 | 1:01:25 | |
tomorrow it is 5-7d for that if
there is any the likelihood it will | 1:01:25 | 1:01:29 | |
be part of Wales and south-west
England. Heading through the morning | 1:01:29 | 1:01:35 | |
tomorrow, we will lose any patchy
mist and fog and it will brighten up | 1:01:35 | 1:01:41 | |
nicely with sunshine but like today
the cloud will build on the west, | 1:01:41 | 1:01:45 | |
turning the sunshine in Haiti ahead
of this weather front which will | 1:01:45 | 1:01:47 | |
bring some more substantial rain and
windier conditions. Temperatures | 1:01:47 | 1:01:52 | |
still in good shape, 10-12, a bit
cool in Lerwick. This fund will move | 1:01:52 | 1:02:01 | |
from West to east through the
evening and overnight -- with this | 1:02:01 | 1:02:05 | |
front. On Friday morning it will
continue, claiming eastern Scotland | 1:02:05 | 1:02:11 | |
and England but if you follow it
around you can see the other end in | 1:02:11 | 1:02:15 | |
the north and west of Scotland with
some hill snow possible. This next | 1:02:15 | 1:02:20 | |
band of rain is coming in from the
south-west. The extent of it is | 1:02:20 | 1:02:26 | |
questionable but still a bad -- a
good day. | 1:02:26 | 1:02:32 | |
Hello it's Wednesday,
it's 10 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley | 1:02:32 | 1:02:34 | |
in for Victoria Derbyshire. | 1:02:34 | 1:02:36 | |
Our top story today -
after years of a 1% pay cap, | 1:02:36 | 1:02:39 | |
the government is expected
to announce a significant pay | 1:02:39 | 1:02:41 | |
increase for NHS staff
in England, apart from doctors | 1:02:41 | 1:02:47 | |
Staffing issues have to be
addressed, vacancies have to be | 1:02:47 | 1:02:51 | |
addressed. The whole issue of using
agencies sat -- staff on double | 1:02:51 | 1:02:57 | |
shifts has to be addressed. In that
context it is significant that the | 1:02:57 | 1:03:01 | |
pay award has been made. | 1:03:01 | 1:03:02 | |
If you work for the NHS, do get
in touch and tell us your reaction. | 1:03:02 | 1:03:05 | |
Plus - there's been a huge rise
in the number of women | 1:03:05 | 1:03:08 | |
using donated eggs to get pregnant. | 1:03:08 | 1:03:14 | |
You get married and then your
friends have kids and it's just not | 1:03:14 | 1:03:18 | |
happening to you. It suddenly
becomes the most important thing in | 1:03:18 | 1:03:21 | |
your life.
The only thing you can focus on. | 1:03:21 | 1:03:25 | |
We'll be talking live to a woman
who's donated her eggs four times, | 1:03:25 | 1:03:28 | |
and another women who's had a child
thanks to a donation | 1:03:28 | 1:03:30 | |
of an egg from her friend. | 1:03:30 | 1:03:33 | |
And what next for the
future of Ant and Dec? | 1:03:33 | 1:03:37 | |
We'll look at what impact Ant's
arrest on suspicion of drink-driving | 1:03:37 | 1:03:40 | |
will have on the pair's many
successful TV programmes. | 1:03:40 | 1:03:43 | |
Good morning. | 1:03:48 | 1:03:54 | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom
with a summary of today's news. | 1:03:54 | 1:03:57 | |
Good morning. | 1:03:57 | 1:03:58 | |
More than a million NHS staff
are poised for a pay rise, | 1:03:58 | 1:04:01 | |
with a deal that could be worth
as much as £4 billion | 1:04:01 | 1:04:03 | |
being announced by lunchtime today. | 1:04:03 | 1:04:05 | |
The BBC understands that health
bosses and unions have | 1:04:05 | 1:04:07 | |
reached an agreement that will mark
an end to a seven-year cap | 1:04:07 | 1:04:10 | |
and boost the salaries
of workers including nurses, | 1:04:10 | 1:04:12 | |
porters and paramedics -
but not doctors. | 1:04:12 | 1:04:17 | |
Facebook will be questioned by
politicians in Washington today, as | 1:04:17 | 1:04:20 | |
the company comes under growing
pressure to explain how data was | 1:04:20 | 1:04:25 | |
used by a British company during the
British general election. It is | 1:04:25 | 1:04:33 | |
alleged the data was used to
influence the income. Both firms | 1:04:33 | 1:04:39 | |
deny any wrongdoing. | 1:04:39 | 1:04:41 | |
Reports from the United States say
the suspect in a series of bombings | 1:04:41 | 1:04:45 | |
in Texas has died,
after blowing himself up. | 1:04:45 | 1:04:47 | |
Five devices have detonated
so far this month, | 1:04:47 | 1:04:48 | |
and killed two people. | 1:04:48 | 1:04:49 | |
A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted
before it exploded. | 1:04:49 | 1:04:56 | |
As members of the Austin police
Department SWAT team approached the | 1:04:56 | 1:05:02 | |
vehicle, the suspect detonated a
bomb inside the vehicle, knocking | 1:05:02 | 1:05:05 | |
one of our SWAT officers back. One
of our SWAT officers fired at the | 1:05:05 | 1:05:12 | |
suspect as well. The suspect is
deceased and has significant | 1:05:12 | 1:05:17 | |
injuries from a blast that occurred
from detonating a bomb inside his | 1:05:17 | 1:05:20 | |
vehicle. | 1:05:20 | 1:05:21 | |
Unemployment rose by
24,000 to 1.45 million | 1:05:21 | 1:05:23 | |
in the three months to January. | 1:05:23 | 1:05:26 | |
It was the second month in a row
to show an increase. | 1:05:26 | 1:05:29 | |
However, the rate of
unemployment was down | 1:05:29 | 1:05:31 | |
slightly, from 4.4% to 4.3%. | 1:05:31 | 1:05:32 | |
Average earnings including bonuses
rose by 2.8% in the same period. | 1:05:32 | 1:05:39 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 10.30. | 1:05:39 | 1:05:47 | |
Thank you very much. Let me read you
some of the comments people are | 1:05:47 | 1:05:51 | |
getting in touch with us about
painkillers. We were talking about | 1:05:51 | 1:05:54 | |
how easily -- two guests were
talking about how easy it was for | 1:05:54 | 1:06:01 | |
them to become addicted. David has
been taking painkillers for 20 | 1:06:01 | 1:06:04 | |
years. Last month he was rushed into
hospital with his stomach bleeding. | 1:06:04 | 1:06:09 | |
He had blood transfusions, lost two
stone in weight and is now having | 1:06:09 | 1:06:13 | |
injections every three months. Simon
has got in touch, saying in a bully | 1:06:13 | 1:06:18 | |
went to three different doctors in
five days with horrendous back pain | 1:06:18 | 1:06:20 | |
and was giving increasing amounts of
painkillers. He was paralysed from | 1:06:20 | 1:06:26 | |
the waist down with the loss of
bladder function due to our bladder | 1:06:26 | 1:06:32 | |
-- an abscess. Do share your
experiences. | 1:06:32 | 1:06:34 | |
Do get in touch with us
throughout the morning - | 1:06:34 | 1:06:36 | |
use the hashtag Victoria live. | 1:06:36 | 1:06:37 | |
And if you text, you will be charged
at the standard network rate. | 1:06:37 | 1:06:41 | |
Let me bring you this breaking news
which we are getting from Nigeria. | 1:06:41 | 1:06:47 | |
Boko Haram militants have released
76 of the 110 schoolgirls were | 1:06:47 | 1:06:52 | |
abducted from the north-eastern town
of Duchy back in February. Very | 1:06:52 | 1:06:55 | |
similar to the Chibok girls many
years ago. The government said this | 1:06:55 | 1:07:02 | |
in a statement this morning. The
information minister said 76 had so | 1:07:02 | 1:07:08 | |
far been documented and they are
adding details of that throughout | 1:07:08 | 1:07:12 | |
the morning. As we get more details,
we will bring it to you. Good news | 1:07:12 | 1:07:18 | |
coming from Nigeria. 76 schoolgirls
abducted in north-eastern Nigeria | 1:07:18 | 1:07:22 | |
have been released. Now the sport
with John. Good morning. A place at | 1:07:22 | 1:07:27 | |
the Cricket World Cup hangs in the
balance for Scotland. A victory over | 1:07:27 | 1:07:30 | |
the West Indies and a place at the
tournament next year in England and | 1:07:30 | 1:07:34 | |
Wales is theirs. They made the best
possible start. Chris Gale went with | 1:07:34 | 1:07:41 | |
the first ball of the day. The
Windies 2-2 at that stage. Did | 1:07:41 | 1:07:47 | |
recover. Lewis made 50 from 63
balls. He went. Then the key wicket | 1:07:47 | 1:07:55 | |
of Samuels followed. He was caught
in the deep. Scotland have made | 1:07:55 | 1:08:01 | |
another breakthrough. A short while
ago 135-5, the West Indies. Going | 1:08:01 | 1:08:08 | |
well in Zimbabwe with the world Cup
spot in Scotland's reach. For | 1:08:08 | 1:08:13 | |
England, immediate thoughts turn to
their two test series with New | 1:08:13 | 1:08:19 | |
Zealand. Ben Stokes is set to
return. Captain Joel Ruud says he is | 1:08:19 | 1:08:23 | |
a 31 player. And that Stokes is
itching to get back. -- Joe Root. | 1:08:23 | 1:08:35 | |
Coming back into high-intensity
cricket, having spent a lot of time | 1:08:35 | 1:08:37 | |
out of the game, and managing it
quite shrewdly, has been really | 1:08:37 | 1:08:45 | |
mature of him, actually. He is
someone who likes to do things at | 1:08:45 | 1:08:49 | |
150 million mph all the time. You
can see the maturity starting to | 1:08:49 | 1:08:55 | |
show through a bit more. That is
only a good thing for us moving | 1:08:55 | 1:08:59 | |
forward. The football World Cup is
85 days away and the battle for | 1:08:59 | 1:09:04 | |
places is hotting up for England, in
particular in goal. Nick Pope was | 1:09:04 | 1:09:09 | |
working as a milkman nine years ago
having been released by Ipswich | 1:09:09 | 1:09:13 | |
Town. Now he is battling it out for
the number one spot in the England | 1:09:13 | 1:09:17 | |
squad. His story is pretty
impressive. Having been released at | 1:09:17 | 1:09:24 | |
16, he had spelt outside before
bully before joining Burnley. He | 1:09:24 | 1:09:27 | |
only got his chance this is season
because of an injury to Tom Heaton. | 1:09:27 | 1:09:32 | |
He has been rewarded with an England
call-up and could make his | 1:09:32 | 1:09:36 | |
international debut in the
forthcoming friendlies with the | 1:09:36 | 1:09:39 | |
Netherlands and Italy. If you are
questioning a fee is the right pick | 1:09:39 | 1:09:43 | |
for the World Cup, he says he is a
safe pair of hands having never | 1:09:43 | 1:09:46 | |
dropped a bottle on Isobel Grant. --
on his milk round. No, I was clean! | 1:09:46 | 1:09:55 | |
I were on a float. Electric. What is
the best thing about being an | 1:09:55 | 1:10:00 | |
England player? Can I call myself
that if I have not played? OK! I | 1:10:00 | 1:10:07 | |
think it's just the honour, really.
Obviously the moment from Thursday, | 1:10:07 | 1:10:15 | |
being around people who've been
there from the start, people who | 1:10:15 | 1:10:19 | |
have travelled the journey with me,
to share with them was something I | 1:10:19 | 1:10:22 | |
will never forget.
We wonder if that story will | 1:10:22 | 1:10:27 | |
continue, of course. It would be
pretty impressive if he does get | 1:10:27 | 1:10:32 | |
selected for those friendlies. Lots
of competition. The women's | 1:10:32 | 1:10:38 | |
Champions League continues tonight.
Manchester City and Chelsea in | 1:10:38 | 1:10:39 | |
action. City host Linkopings. In the
WS -- WSL they are second behind | 1:10:39 | 1:10:49 | |
Chelsea, who play Montpellier
tonight. If both teams progress, it | 1:10:49 | 1:10:52 | |
would be the first time to British
clubs have reached the semifinals of | 1:10:52 | 1:10:56 | |
the competition.
We have done our homework on them | 1:10:56 | 1:11:01 | |
and we know they are a really good
team. They have dominated Swedish | 1:11:01 | 1:11:05 | |
football for a while. It will be a
big game. Tough opponents. It will | 1:11:05 | 1:11:09 | |
be nice to have a home game. We
played a wafer about ten games in a | 1:11:09 | 1:11:13 | |
row. It has been hard put to the
home support, we have great | 1:11:13 | 1:11:18 | |
supporters, great fans, and we love
having them at home. | 1:11:18 | 1:11:21 | |
Yeah, excited. Just one of two big
games later. | 1:11:21 | 1:11:24 | |
Now back to you. Let me bring you
this news. Pope Francis is going to | 1:11:24 | 1:11:32 | |
visit Ireland for six days in
August. That news just reaching us. | 1:11:32 | 1:11:36 | |
He will head to Ireland for six days
this summer. | 1:11:36 | 1:11:44 | |
The number
of women using donated eggs to try | 1:11:44 | 1:11:47 | |
and get pregnant has risen sharply
in the past 10 years, | 1:11:47 | 1:11:49 | |
latest figures show. | 1:11:49 | 1:11:50 | |
In 2006, 1,912 women had
IVF using a donor egg | 1:11:50 | 1:11:53 | |
instead of their own -
by 2016 that had risen 59% to 3,924. | 1:11:53 | 1:11:58 | |
The Human Fertilisation
and Embryology Authority say | 1:11:58 | 1:12:00 | |
the rise is down to a greater
awareness of donation | 1:12:00 | 1:12:06 | |
as an option, more donors,
and more same sex couples, | 1:12:06 | 1:12:12 | |
single and older women using them -
as well as a rise in the number | 1:12:12 | 1:12:15 | |
of women donating their eggs. | 1:12:15 | 1:12:16 | |
BBC Look North reporter
Ali Fortescue has spent time | 1:12:16 | 1:12:19 | |
with two women who have gone
through both sides | 1:12:19 | 1:12:22 | |
of the process. | 1:12:22 | 1:12:25 | |
It is the greatest gift that any
woman can give to another. | 1:12:29 | 1:12:34 | |
It can be a lifelong commitment,
but really, it's a drop in the ocean | 1:12:34 | 1:12:38 | |
compared to what the couples have
to go through to make | 1:12:38 | 1:12:40 | |
their baby possible. | 1:12:40 | 1:12:44 | |
The road to parenthood
isn't always easy. | 1:12:44 | 1:12:50 | |
In her late 30s, Amanda was told
she could not have children. | 1:12:50 | 1:12:53 | |
But six years and four
rounds of IVF later, | 1:12:53 | 1:12:55 | |
thanks to an egg donor,
Amanda has given birth | 1:12:55 | 1:12:57 | |
to her son, Max. | 1:12:57 | 1:13:02 | |
I had him when I was 44
so I was a really late starter. | 1:13:02 | 1:13:06 | |
Not for want of trying,
because we tried for about five | 1:13:06 | 1:13:09 | |
years to have a baby naturally,
and it was not until we went down | 1:13:09 | 1:13:12 | |
the IVF route that we found out
that it was never going to happen | 1:13:12 | 1:13:15 | |
for us. | 1:13:15 | 1:13:16 | |
Which, as you can imagine,
was devastating. | 1:13:16 | 1:13:20 | |
I just think it's something
that people expect. | 1:13:20 | 1:13:24 | |
It's something you expect
will happen at some point. | 1:13:24 | 1:13:26 | |
I was never broody but when you get
married and then your friends have | 1:13:26 | 1:13:31 | |
kids and it's just not happening
to you, it suddenly becomes the most | 1:13:31 | 1:13:34 | |
important thing in your life. | 1:13:34 | 1:13:37 | |
The only thing that
you can focus on. | 1:13:37 | 1:13:39 | |
For somebody to be able to give that
gift to another woman, | 1:13:39 | 1:13:43 | |
it's such a selfless act. | 1:13:43 | 1:13:48 | |
It's like the ultimate selfless act
that a woman can do is, | 1:13:48 | 1:13:51 | |
she's made my family. | 1:13:51 | 1:13:52 | |
She's made me a family. | 1:13:52 | 1:13:54 | |
It's amazing. | 1:13:54 | 1:13:55 | |
It's something that
people take for granted. | 1:13:55 | 1:13:57 | |
It's something that I've
tried so hard to achieve | 1:13:57 | 1:14:00 | |
and it is my greatest
achievement, having him. | 1:14:00 | 1:14:04 | |
But Amanda's story isn't unique. | 1:14:04 | 1:14:07 | |
The number of women having children
over 40 is at its highest | 1:14:07 | 1:14:11 | |
level for 70 years. | 1:14:11 | 1:14:12 | |
And more than half of those over
the age of 45 having | 1:14:12 | 1:14:16 | |
IVF use donated eggs,
which may explain the rise | 1:14:16 | 1:14:18 | |
of nearly 60% in the number of women
using donor eggs for IVF since 2011. | 1:14:18 | 1:14:26 | |
Meet Cathy, another mother,
expecting her third child. | 1:14:27 | 1:14:30 | |
But before starting a family
of her own, she donated eggs five | 1:14:30 | 1:14:35 | |
times to families that
she'd never met. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:39 | |
Somebody in my family had been
struggling with infertility for many | 1:14:39 | 1:14:42 | |
years, and I'd had a close friend
who had had multiple | 1:14:42 | 1:14:45 | |
miscarriages, so there was nothing
I could do to help either of those | 1:14:45 | 1:14:48 | |
friends and family members, | 1:14:48 | 1:14:49 | |
but it was quite frustrating
watching them go through this | 1:14:49 | 1:14:52 | |
heartbreaking journey,
and then there was a really kind | 1:14:52 | 1:14:54 | |
of straightforward way for me
to help other couples | 1:14:54 | 1:14:56 | |
who were going through fertility
battles of their own. | 1:14:56 | 1:15:01 | |
What was the actual process
like of donating your eggs? | 1:15:01 | 1:15:03 | |
It was quite straightforward really. | 1:15:03 | 1:15:05 | |
I just had some tests
and they all came back fine. | 1:15:05 | 1:15:08 | |
It was a case of matching my
menstrual cycle with the couple | 1:15:08 | 1:15:11 | |
I was helping, and then
it was about two weeks of taking | 1:15:11 | 1:15:14 | |
drugs and having eggs
collected at the end of that. | 1:15:14 | 1:15:18 | |
A lot of people think that
because you are doing the first half | 1:15:18 | 1:15:21 | |
of an IVF cycle it's very
gruelling on the body, | 1:15:21 | 1:15:23 | |
pumping yourself full of hormones,
but I think for a couple | 1:15:23 | 1:15:26 | |
going through IVF themselves, yes,
it's a gruelling process, | 1:15:26 | 1:15:29 | |
because hormones can
send you a bit doolally. | 1:15:29 | 1:15:33 | |
But when you are an egg donor,
you have got a vested interest | 1:15:33 | 1:15:36 | |
in helping somebody,
and usually it's a couple | 1:15:36 | 1:15:38 | |
you don't even know. | 1:15:38 | 1:15:41 | |
But at the end of the day,
if it doesn't work out, | 1:15:41 | 1:15:44 | |
then you have still tried to help. | 1:15:44 | 1:15:45 | |
I don't think it's nearly
as hard being an egg donor | 1:15:45 | 1:15:48 | |
and going through an IVF cycle
as it is being a couple | 1:15:48 | 1:15:51 | |
and desperately wanting a child. | 1:15:51 | 1:15:55 | |
Do you ever find it strange that
in a sense, some of your children | 1:15:55 | 1:15:59 | |
are out there and you don't
really know them? | 1:15:59 | 1:16:03 | |
I don't see it like that at all. | 1:16:03 | 1:16:05 | |
I did most of my cycles in my 20s
and 30s when I was mostly single, | 1:16:05 | 1:16:09 | |
and really for me, each month
I was going to be losing an egg, | 1:16:09 | 1:16:13 | |
I wasn't going to be doing
anything with that egg | 1:16:13 | 1:16:15 | |
at so it was going to be a waste. | 1:16:15 | 1:16:17 | |
It wasn't like I looked down
the toilet I thought, | 1:16:17 | 1:16:20 | |
that's a potential child
I've flushed away. | 1:16:20 | 1:16:21 | |
So I think, for me,
what I was giving was something | 1:16:21 | 1:16:24 | |
I wasn't using in my own life. | 1:16:24 | 1:16:27 | |
Whereas if you give blood,
if I give a pint of blood, | 1:16:27 | 1:16:29 | |
then I feel it for a few days
because that is something I do need | 1:16:29 | 1:16:33 | |
in my body and I will
replicate it again. | 1:16:33 | 1:16:35 | |
I didn't feel like I was giving
anything away that I was | 1:16:35 | 1:16:38 | |
going to use for myself. | 1:16:38 | 1:16:39 | |
So why do women donate their eggs? | 1:16:39 | 1:16:42 | |
With nothing beyond £750
compensation, it is thought many do | 1:16:42 | 1:16:44 | |
it as a simple gesture of goodwill. | 1:16:44 | 1:16:49 | |
People who receive eggs are amazed
that other women want to give them, | 1:16:49 | 1:16:52 | |
but that is because at the end
of their process they get this | 1:16:52 | 1:16:55 | |
amazing baby, but for somebody who's
giving eggs, it's... | 1:16:55 | 1:17:02 | |
I mean, it's an involved process and
it's a commitment, and obviously, | 1:17:02 | 1:17:05 | |
it can be a lifelong commitment. | 1:17:05 | 1:17:07 | |
But really, it's a drop
in the ocean compared | 1:17:07 | 1:17:09 | |
to what the couples have
to go through to make | 1:17:09 | 1:17:11 | |
their babies possible. | 1:17:11 | 1:17:12 | |
Donor children are allowed
to contact their biological parent | 1:17:12 | 1:17:18 | |
at 18, but knowing Max isn't born
from her egg has never | 1:17:18 | 1:17:20 | |
bothered Amanda. | 1:17:20 | 1:17:21 | |
It takes more than
genetics to be a mum. | 1:17:21 | 1:17:24 | |
I carried him, I nurtured him,
I have given birth to him. | 1:17:24 | 1:17:27 | |
I'm the one who gets up
in the middle of the night. | 1:17:27 | 1:17:29 | |
He's my son. | 1:17:29 | 1:17:31 | |
The hope is that more donor eggs
will mean more families like this | 1:17:31 | 1:17:34 | |
and more men and women given
a chance to become a parent. | 1:17:34 | 1:17:41 | |
Joining us now, Sapphire Fielding
who has donated her eggs four times. | 1:17:46 | 1:17:48 | |
She also has four
children of her own. | 1:17:48 | 1:17:55 | |
As is Maxine, who received an egg
donation from a friend when she | 1:17:55 | 1:17:58 | |
had problems with conceiving. | 1:17:58 | 1:17:59 | |
She now has a four-year-old
son called Jake. | 1:17:59 | 1:18:01 | |
Thank you for speaking to us.
Sapphire, what made you want to | 1:18:01 | 1:18:06 | |
donate your eggs not just once but
four times? When I had people in my | 1:18:06 | 1:18:14 | |
life who have struggled with
infertility, I'm a blood donor and a | 1:18:14 | 1:18:21 | |
marrow donor and it seemed like I
could help these people who were | 1:18:21 | 1:18:27 | |
like the people in my life. So I
went looking for a way of going | 1:18:27 | 1:18:31 | |
about it. And they made such a
magical process. You know it is a | 1:18:31 | 1:18:40 | |
good thing that you're doing but
hearing stories of people who have | 1:18:40 | 1:18:44 | |
struggled with infertility that are
not close to you, if you could | 1:18:44 | 1:18:49 | |
bottle the feeling from egg
donation, it is a magical, warm | 1:18:49 | 1:18:55 | |
feeling. Knowing you are help
somebody create what I already have | 1:18:55 | 1:19:02 | |
with Mike four children, I would
wish it for everybody if I could. -- | 1:19:02 | 1:19:07 | |
my four children. And it was your
chance to have your little boy? It | 1:19:07 | 1:19:11 | |
was, I started my IVF treatment just
before I was 40. I had been pregnant | 1:19:11 | 1:19:20 | |
naturally a couple of times and
unfortunately resulted in | 1:19:20 | 1:19:25 | |
difficulties. That was the previous,
I had the ectopic pregnancy. I met | 1:19:25 | 1:19:34 | |
my partner and want to start a
family and nothing was happening so | 1:19:34 | 1:19:38 | |
we went to the GP and got referred
and I was told I needed donor eggs. | 1:19:38 | 1:19:45 | |
At the time I was pregnant naturally
but did not know that at the time | 1:19:45 | 1:19:48 | |
and that resulted in an ectopic
pregnancy again so I had to go down | 1:19:48 | 1:19:54 | |
the donation route. And you got a
friend to donate an egg? I did, a | 1:19:54 | 1:20:01 | |
close family friend donated for me.
Several people had offered | 1:20:01 | 1:20:08 | |
previously but change their mind and
that is absolutely fine. It is | 1:20:08 | 1:20:12 | |
amazing thing for somebody to even
offer to do. We went down the IDF | 1:20:12 | 1:20:18 | |
process and we just got the one
legged -- IVF. That resulted in my | 1:20:18 | 1:20:25 | |
little boy, Jake. He is gorgeous! A
lot of people watching will have a | 1:20:25 | 1:20:31 | |
million questions to both of you
about the process and going forward | 1:20:31 | 1:20:35 | |
what it means. You have given an
incredible gift to four people and | 1:20:35 | 1:20:40 | |
you have your little boy and nobody
would argue with that. Sapphire, do | 1:20:40 | 1:20:45 | |
you ever think, I have four of my
own children but there are four them | 1:20:45 | 1:20:49 | |
there and I don't know them, who
they are and where they are? No | 1:20:49 | 1:20:57 | |
because I haven't given birth to
that child. The way I look at what I | 1:20:57 | 1:21:02 | |
have donated, I have given somebody
a seed and that's it. I don't know | 1:21:02 | 1:21:07 | |
chit, help it grow from feel every
movement inside, I am just giving | 1:21:07 | 1:21:17 | |
that away. Although biologically we
are kind of connected, that child | 1:21:17 | 1:21:23 | |
has nothing really to do with me,
that is a mum's job to be the month. | 1:21:23 | 1:21:28 | |
I don't look at it as I have a child
somewhere else, that is not how it | 1:21:28 | 1:21:34 | |
feels and how it is. It is somebody
else's child and I helped with the | 1:21:34 | 1:21:39 | |
DNA also when they | 1:21:39 | 1:21:40 | |
-- when the child turns 18, do they
have rights to know who you are? You | 1:21:44 | 1:21:52 | |
can write a letter before you donate
your eggs and give a description | 1:21:52 | 1:21:57 | |
about yourself and why you wanted to
donate. They are allowed to read | 1:21:57 | 1:22:00 | |
that at 18. I suppose they could
come and look for you, but the way | 1:22:00 | 1:22:08 | |
that a child born through egg
donation, they are always brought up | 1:22:08 | 1:22:12 | |
knowing that this is such a normal
part of them, this is how they were | 1:22:12 | 1:22:16 | |
made, I can't see them looking for a
part of DNA because that's their | 1:22:16 | 1:22:23 | |
mum. I'm nothing to do with that, I
am literally just an egg. I did not | 1:22:23 | 1:22:27 | |
have any part, like in an adoption,
if you adopt a child, there is a | 1:22:27 | 1:22:34 | |
part of you somewhere else out
there. It's not the same with egg | 1:22:34 | 1:22:38 | |
donation at all in my opinion. I can
see you're getting quite emotional, | 1:22:38 | 1:22:44 | |
Maxine. I just think it is a totally
overwhelming experience and it is | 1:22:44 | 1:22:51 | |
the most amazing gift that anybody
could ever receive. It's just such a | 1:22:51 | 1:22:59 | |
selfless act and to be able to be a
mum to a beautiful little boy is the | 1:22:59 | 1:23:04 | |
best thing ever. Without the help of
ladies like Sapphire, people like me | 1:23:04 | 1:23:11 | |
would not be able to be mums. This
might be a strange question but it | 1:23:11 | 1:23:16 | |
crossed my mind earlier, the pack
your friend had donated an egg, does | 1:23:16 | 1:23:21 | |
she ever have any say in the
upbringing? Does she ever go, why | 1:23:21 | 1:23:26 | |
are you doing that with Jake? Not at
all. We have a close relationship, | 1:23:26 | 1:23:32 | |
not in each other's pockets, I am
godmother to her little boy and she | 1:23:32 | 1:23:38 | |
is godmother to Jake and we are
there were each other if need be. | 1:23:38 | 1:23:45 | |
there were each other if need be. We
will work around at the time when we | 1:23:46 | 1:23:48 | |
need to tell them but now we carry
on with our normal lives. We are | 1:23:48 | 1:23:52 | |
always there for one another. The
lady that did it stays just amazing. | 1:23:52 | 1:24:00 | |
Thank you for speaking to us this
morning, I'm grateful to you for | 1:24:00 | 1:24:03 | |
sharing your stories. | 1:24:03 | 1:24:05 | |
The government is expected
to announce a significant pay rise | 1:24:06 | 1:24:08 | |
for almost all NHS staff in England,
apart from doctors. | 1:24:08 | 1:24:11 | |
Norman Smith can tell us more. What
do we know about the deal? We know | 1:24:14 | 1:24:20 | |
it is a big deal and likely to cost
around £4 billion and that will mean | 1:24:20 | 1:24:26 | |
an average increase for NHS staff of
around 6.5% over the next three | 1:24:26 | 1:24:32 | |
years. The significance is that it
is way above the public sector pay | 1:24:32 | 1:24:37 | |
cap of 1% per year and seems to mark
the death knell of the public sector | 1:24:37 | 1:24:43 | |
pay cap which nurses and others in
the public sector have had to endure | 1:24:43 | 1:24:47 | |
for eight years, two years of the
pay freeze and six years of the cap | 1:24:47 | 1:24:54 | |
so they have seen their wages
pressed down. Now they get this | 1:24:54 | 1:24:58 | |
three-year deal, 3% this year, to
present the following year and 1% in | 1:24:58 | 1:25:04 | |
the final year. The interesting
thing, most of the money will go to | 1:25:04 | 1:25:10 | |
the lowest paid in the NHS. There
will be rises for those on band one, | 1:25:10 | 1:25:17 | |
the worst paid, people like cleaners
and porters, some of them will get | 1:25:17 | 1:25:25 | |
up to 29% over three years, a
whopping rise. There will also be a | 1:25:25 | 1:25:35 | |
rise in starting salaries for those
coming into the NHS. To give you a | 1:25:35 | 1:25:39 | |
sense of what it means in real
money, for some porters earning | 1:25:39 | 1:25:46 | |
around 15,000, their salaries will
go up to nearly 20,000 so a really | 1:25:46 | 1:25:51 | |
big increase for them. The other
interesting thing is that this is | 1:25:51 | 1:25:56 | |
money which the NHS is not going to
have to magic up, it is coming from | 1:25:56 | 1:26:02 | |
the Treasury and why that matters is
because previous increases for the | 1:26:02 | 1:26:08 | |
public sector, four example for the
police who got 1.7%, they had to pay | 1:26:08 | 1:26:14 | |
for that largely by finding the
money themselves which caused a lot | 1:26:14 | 1:26:18 | |
of anger among chief constables.
This is a big cheese moment not just | 1:26:18 | 1:26:23 | |
in terms of those who work in the
NHS and particular the lowest paid | 1:26:23 | 1:26:27 | |
but also in terms of austerity and
the public sector pay cap. And is it | 1:26:27 | 1:26:33 | |
clear if this is going to be
accepted? It has been a long-running | 1:26:33 | 1:26:38 | |
dispute. What was interesting was
that this morning I was talking to | 1:26:38 | 1:26:42 | |
some of the union people and I
expect them to say, yes, it is | 1:26:42 | 1:26:49 | |
-- is 6.5% but there is this and
that but not a bit of it. They are | 1:26:49 | 1:26:55 | |
pretty enthusiastic about what they
have got and I think we'll recommend | 1:26:55 | 1:27:00 | |
it to their members. They are not
unhappy about the deal they have | 1:27:00 | 1:27:03 | |
been offered. I suppose the question
that follows is where does the money | 1:27:03 | 1:27:10 | |
come from all the £4 billion is a
lot of money when we are still | 1:27:10 | 1:27:14 | |
borrowing a lot of money and when we
have average debt for every | 1:27:14 | 1:27:18 | |
household I think the Chancellor
said of £65,000 so we borrowing an | 1:27:18 | 1:27:25 | |
awful lot of money but the
government has 4 billion more to | 1:27:25 | 1:27:29 | |
give to nurses. Bear in mind that
teachers would be saying that they | 1:27:29 | 1:27:33 | |
want extra money as well and all of
the public sector will be knocking | 1:27:33 | 1:27:37 | |
on the door of the Treasury to say,
if you're giving it to the NHS, what | 1:27:37 | 1:27:41 | |
about us? The extra bill is likely
to be more and that raises questions | 1:27:41 | 1:27:45 | |
about what is going on in terms of
government thinking. My take is they | 1:27:45 | 1:27:51 | |
concluded that people feel we can't
go on any longer with this sort of | 1:27:51 | 1:27:55 | |
austerity, that austerity fatigue
has bedded in and we have reached | 1:27:55 | 1:28:01 | |
the outer limits with eight years of
pay restraint. Thank you, Norman. | 1:28:01 | 1:28:08 | |
Let's talk to John Williams,
who's an A&E Nurse. | 1:28:08 | 1:28:12 | |
He earns around £30,000. | 1:28:12 | 1:28:13 | |
We've agreed not to identify
the hospital he works at. | 1:28:13 | 1:28:15 | |
And Fiona Johnson, who's
from the independent | 1:28:15 | 1:28:17 | |
health care charity,
the Nuffield Trust. | 1:28:17 | 1:28:20 | |
Thank you Paul speaking to us. John,
are you happy with what has been put | 1:28:20 | 1:28:27 | |
on the table? It is very welcome to
receive this pay rise and that that | 1:28:27 | 1:28:35 | |
those on the lower end of the scale
are being rewarded. We worked | 1:28:35 | 1:28:39 | |
incredibly hard on it he paces and
are very much deserving of the rise | 1:28:39 | 1:28:46 | |
-- on a daily basis. Do you think it
is a good deal, Fiona? It is | 1:28:46 | 1:28:51 | |
important there is a recognition we
could not go on like this. The NHS | 1:28:51 | 1:28:56 | |
is not the NHS without its staff and
we have a massive problem of | 1:28:56 | 1:29:00 | |
recruitment and retention with
100,000 vacancies soak a step in the | 1:29:00 | 1:29:04 | |
right direction to in the eight
years of pay restraint -- so a step. | 1:29:04 | 1:29:10 | |
Do you think it will be accepted and
moved forward quickly? It has been | 1:29:10 | 1:29:14 | |
going on for a long time. I am not
part of the negotiations but one of | 1:29:14 | 1:29:18 | |
the crucial thing is if there is
additional money coming in. The NHS | 1:29:18 | 1:29:22 | |
could not afford to shoulder the
extra £4 billion themselves because | 1:29:22 | 1:29:27 | |
they have massive deficit is already
so the Pledge made by the Chancellor | 1:29:27 | 1:29:31 | |
seems to be coming through and that
is really important for a | 1:29:31 | 1:29:36 | |
hard-pressed NHS. What difference
will this money make to staff | 1:29:36 | 1:29:38 | |
working in the fund line and
particularly the people like the | 1:29:38 | 1:29:44 | |
porters and the lower paid staff? Is
it likely more people will stay in | 1:29:44 | 1:29:49 | |
the NHS instead of the droves
leaving that we have seen? I would | 1:29:49 | 1:29:53 | |
certainly hope that was true. It is
very welcoming for the lower paid to | 1:29:53 | 1:29:59 | |
have this large increase. I do worry
about the staff who have been | 1:29:59 | 1:30:05 | |
serving for a long time, from what I
gather there will not be a huge | 1:30:05 | 1:30:08 | |
increase in their wages. To be
realistic, this pay rise over three | 1:30:08 | 1:30:12 | |
years is not in line with inflation
so it is still not a huge pay rise | 1:30:12 | 1:30:17 | |
and in real terms it is perceived as
a pay cut again. I guess many people | 1:30:17 | 1:30:23 | |
are watching this in the private
sector would say that their pay is | 1:30:23 | 1:30:26 | |
not going up in line with inflation
as well, it is tricky for everybody. | 1:30:26 | 1:30:30 | |
It is, and it is worth remembering
that the NHS has been cutting costs | 1:30:30 | 1:30:36 | |
every year and probably around £2.5
billion of what it has managed to | 1:30:36 | 1:30:40 | |
save recently is accounted for by
staff before going salary increases. | 1:30:40 | 1:30:45 | |
NHS staff have had to do their bit
to keep costs down. And times are | 1:30:45 | 1:30:50 | |
tough for everybody. Thank you for
coming in. | 1:30:50 | 1:30:59 | |
Still to come... | 1:30:59 | 1:31:00 | |
Tens of thousands of grandparents
looking after their grandchildren | 1:31:00 | 1:31:02 | |
are missing out on a little known
tax perk which can boost | 1:31:02 | 1:31:05 | |
their State Pension
by hundreds of pounds a year. | 1:31:05 | 1:31:11 | |
And after Ant McPartlin's arrest on
suspicion of drink-driving, what | 1:31:11 | 1:31:17 | |
next for Ant and Dec's TV
partnership? | 1:31:17 | 1:31:22 | |
Time for the latest
news - here's Joanna. | 1:31:22 | 1:31:24 | |
More than a million NHS staff
are poised for a pay rise, | 1:31:24 | 1:31:27 | |
with a deal that could be worth
as much as £4 billion | 1:31:27 | 1:31:30 | |
being announced by lunchtime today. | 1:31:30 | 1:31:31 | |
The BBC understands that health
bosses and unions have | 1:31:31 | 1:31:33 | |
reached an agreement that will mark
an end to a seven-year cap | 1:31:33 | 1:31:36 | |
and boost the salaries
of workers including nurses, | 1:31:36 | 1:31:38 | |
porters and paramedics,
but not doctors. | 1:31:38 | 1:31:44 | |
Facebook will be
questioned by politicians | 1:31:44 | 1:31:46 | |
in Washington today,
as the company comes under growing | 1:31:46 | 1:31:49 | |
pressure to explain how data
from 50 million users was used | 1:31:49 | 1:31:52 | |
by a British company during the US
presidential election. | 1:31:52 | 1:31:55 | |
It's alleged that Cambridge
Analytica used the data | 1:31:55 | 1:31:58 | |
to target voters and influence
the election outcome. | 1:31:58 | 1:32:00 | |
That company's chief executive,
Alexander Nix, has been suspended. | 1:32:00 | 1:32:03 | |
Both firms deny any wrongdoing. | 1:32:03 | 1:32:08 | |
Police in the United
States say the suspect | 1:32:08 | 1:32:11 | |
in a series of bombings in Texas
has died after blowing himself up. | 1:32:11 | 1:32:14 | |
Five devices have detonated
so far this month | 1:32:14 | 1:32:16 | |
and killed two people. | 1:32:16 | 1:32:17 | |
A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted
before it exploded. | 1:32:17 | 1:32:24 | |
As members of the Austin police
Department SWAT team | 1:32:24 | 1:32:26 | |
approached the vehicle,
the suspect detonated | 1:32:26 | 1:32:32 | |
a bomb inside the vehicle, knocking
one of our SWAT officers back. | 1:32:32 | 1:32:35 | |
One of our SWAT officers fired
at the suspect as well. | 1:32:35 | 1:32:40 | |
The suspect is deceased
and has significant | 1:32:40 | 1:32:42 | |
injuries from a blast that occurred
from detonating a bomb inside | 1:32:42 | 1:32:44 | |
his vehicle. | 1:32:44 | 1:32:51 | |
Unemployment rose by
24,000 to 1.45 million | 1:32:51 | 1:32:53 | |
in the three months to January. | 1:32:53 | 1:32:55 | |
It was the second month in a row
to show an increase. | 1:32:55 | 1:32:58 | |
However, the rate of
unemployment was down | 1:32:58 | 1:33:00 | |
slightly, from 4.4% to 4.3%. | 1:33:00 | 1:33:04 | |
Average earnings including bonuses
rose by 2.8% in the same period. | 1:33:04 | 1:33:10 | |
Reports from Nigeria say that
Boko Haram militants have | 1:33:10 | 1:33:13 | |
returned 76 schoolgirls
abducted from Dapchi | 1:33:13 | 1:33:15 | |
in the northeast of
the country over a month ago. | 1:33:15 | 1:33:21 | |
110 schoolgirls were abducted
from their secondary school | 1:33:21 | 1:33:22 | |
in February. | 1:33:22 | 1:33:23 | |
It's feared at least
five students may have died. | 1:33:23 | 1:33:25 | |
Eyewitnesses said a convoy
of vehicles dropped the students off | 1:33:25 | 1:33:27 | |
before driving away immediately. | 1:33:27 | 1:33:33 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 1:33:33 | 1:33:40 | |
Thank you. Let me read you this
message which is come into us. We | 1:33:40 | 1:33:44 | |
were talking about painkiller
addiction earlier. A couple of | 1:33:44 | 1:33:49 | |
people sharing their experiences.
They were critical of GPs and how | 1:33:49 | 1:33:52 | |
easily they were handing it out. One
guest said it was as easy as handing | 1:33:52 | 1:33:57 | |
out sweets. This text is quite long.
"I'm A practising GP of 17 years and | 1:33:57 | 1:34:03 | |
I'm sure there is a massive problem
with dependency to prescribe drugs. | 1:34:03 | 1:34:08 | |
However, this GP bashing agenda is
quite frankly scandalous. Patients | 1:34:08 | 1:34:13 | |
need to take some responsibility for
their actions. Falsely claiming to | 1:34:13 | 1:34:16 | |
be in pain when they are not is a
conscious decision the patient has | 1:34:16 | 1:34:20 | |
made in an attempt to falsely
obtained medications. I would | 1:34:20 | 1:34:26 | |
welcome a ban on prescribing many of
these drugs if GPs are not | 1:34:26 | 1:34:29 | |
competent. I would direct these
patients to specialist painkillers. | 1:34:29 | 1:34:36 | |
However, the patients currently wait
several months to be seen. How is | 1:34:36 | 1:34:39 | |
this additional demand going to be
met? Who will deal with the patient | 1:34:39 | 1:34:43 | |
while they're waiting months, not
the incompetent GP, surely? The | 1:34:43 | 1:34:48 | |
general public have no real
understanding of the pressures of | 1:34:48 | 1:34:50 | |
the NHS, and your is simply
attributing responsibility for the | 1:34:50 | 1:34:55 | |
failings of society to GPs, were
quite frankly getting setup as | 1:34:55 | 1:35:02 | |
reflected in the massive problems
with recruitment." Your experiences | 1:35:02 | 1:35:07 | |
welcome. Whether you are a GP, you
work in the health service or you | 1:35:07 | 1:35:11 | |
have an addiction to painkillers
yourself. | 1:35:11 | 1:35:12 | |
Share your stories with us. | 1:35:12 | 1:35:13 | |
Here's some sport now with John. | 1:35:13 | 1:35:18 | |
Good morning again. Scotland are
eyeing a place at next year's | 1:35:18 | 1:35:22 | |
Cricket World Cup. If they beat West
Indies in Zimbabwe this morning, a | 1:35:22 | 1:35:26 | |
place is theirs. They restricted
West Indies to 117-6 this morning. | 1:35:26 | 1:35:32 | |
Jason Holder was the last wicket to
fall for just 12 runs. For England, | 1:35:32 | 1:35:38 | |
with the test series against New
Zealand starting on Thursday, | 1:35:38 | 1:35:41 | |
Captain Joe Root says the return of
Ben Stokes is a huge boost. He will | 1:35:41 | 1:35:46 | |
play his first Redbook rigger for
six months. Nick Pope will hope that | 1:35:46 | 1:35:52 | |
he can impress England manager
Gareth Southgate in forthcoming | 1:35:52 | 1:35:54 | |
friendlies with the Netherlands and
Italy. Nine years after he was | 1:35:54 | 1:36:00 | |
released by Ipswich, he took place
in a milk round. Places in the men's | 1:36:00 | 1:36:08 | |
squad are up for grabs. Two English
teams could reach the semifinals of | 1:36:08 | 1:36:14 | |
the women's champions Victor An
Manchester City and Chelsea can come | 1:36:14 | 1:36:18 | |
through their quarterfinal ties. The
first legs play tonight. City play | 1:36:18 | 1:36:23 | |
Linkopings and Chelsea face
Montpellier. That is all this board | 1:36:23 | 1:36:29 | |
for now.
Back to you. Thank you. | 1:36:29 | 1:36:31 | |
Tens of thousands of
grandparents who look | 1:36:31 | 1:36:32 | |
after their grandchildren
are missing out on a little | 1:36:32 | 1:36:34 | |
known tax perk which can
boost their state pension | 1:36:34 | 1:36:37 | |
by hundreds of pounds a year. | 1:36:37 | 1:36:38 | |
The number of families claiming
the credit has increased | 1:36:38 | 1:36:41 | |
from about 1,000 to 9,000 over
the past year but up | 1:36:41 | 1:36:45 | |
to 90,000 are eligible. | 1:36:45 | 1:36:48 | |
We can talk now to Caren
Satter in North London | 1:36:48 | 1:36:50 | |
who looks after her grandchildren
on Wednesdays so her | 1:36:50 | 1:36:52 | |
daughter is able to work. | 1:36:52 | 1:36:58 | |
And Mandy Phillips,
who looks after her two young | 1:36:58 | 1:37:00 | |
grandchildren part-time
as both her daughters-in-law work. | 1:37:00 | 1:37:08 | |
How old are the grandchildren you
look after, Karen? How difficult is | 1:37:09 | 1:37:12 | |
it? My grandson is five and a half
and he is at school now. And my | 1:37:12 | 1:37:20 | |
grand daughter, Megan, is too.
Recently she has gone to nursery. As | 1:37:20 | 1:37:25 | |
soon as I have finished with you, I
will be picking her up, then I will | 1:37:25 | 1:37:30 | |
bring her home and look after her
for the rest of the afternoon until | 1:37:30 | 1:37:34 | |
her mum comes home. How difficult is
it? It is not difficult at all. It | 1:37:34 | 1:37:38 | |
is wonderful. It is my pleasure. I
love it. I couldn't wait for them to | 1:37:38 | 1:37:43 | |
be old enough to be left with me.
I'm excited to hear there might be a | 1:37:43 | 1:37:47 | |
little bit of money that I can
recycle, so I will probably go and | 1:37:47 | 1:37:52 | |
buy some presents with it. It is a
never-ending story. You bring of | 1:37:52 | 1:37:59 | |
yours, you still -- you bring up
there's. Mandy, are you at | 1:37:59 | 1:38:07 | |
hairdressers? I am. I'm working as I
speak. Tell me about your | 1:38:07 | 1:38:14 | |
grandchildren. You look after them
on a regular basis? Yes, every week. | 1:38:14 | 1:38:19 | |
One of them is at school until
three. I pick her up at three. The | 1:38:19 | 1:38:24 | |
other one is a nursery until three
but I pick her up at 2:30pm so I can | 1:38:24 | 1:38:30 | |
get the other 143 o'clock. And you
work. That has to be exhausting? No. | 1:38:30 | 1:38:37 | |
I am a hairdresser. I take them both
from, I feed them and I bathe them. | 1:38:37 | 1:38:42 | |
One of my daughter-in-law is comes
and she takes her home at about six | 1:38:42 | 1:38:50 | |
o'clock. The other one stays with me
overnight. I then have all day | 1:38:50 | 1:38:53 | |
Tuesday because I don't work
Tuesday. Her mum comes at six | 1:38:53 | 1:38:57 | |
o'clock the following night. It is
really Monday and Tuesday. I wonder | 1:38:57 | 1:39:01 | |
if you think it is fair that you are
effectively bringing up your | 1:39:01 | 1:39:05 | |
grandchildren? I don't mean totally
bringing them up. My generation of | 1:39:05 | 1:39:10 | |
working mums, a lot of people rely
on support of parents, don't they? | 1:39:10 | 1:39:17 | |
They do. I have got friends whose
children, many girls, who have | 1:39:17 | 1:39:25 | |
virtually got full-time jobs. They
are professional girls. They are | 1:39:25 | 1:39:29 | |
working four to five days a week.
I've got a friend with four | 1:39:29 | 1:39:35 | |
grandchildren. She is in her 70s.
She does more now as more | 1:39:35 | 1:39:39 | |
grandchildren have been born, I
won't say more than she did with her | 1:39:39 | 1:39:43 | |
own children, would she is certainly
under a lot of pressure. And she is | 1:39:43 | 1:39:47 | |
actually a widow. She is under a lot
of pressure. It is quite exhausting. | 1:39:47 | 1:39:51 | |
I think she loves it but by the end
of the week she is tired because she | 1:39:51 | 1:39:54 | |
is doing her childcare job. We are
not the age we should be bringing up | 1:39:54 | 1:40:01 | |
children. You are supposed to be in
your 30s, 40s. It will be | 1:40:01 | 1:40:06 | |
interesting with your donation
ladies, who are having Leyds | 1:40:06 | 1:40:11 | |
donations, they may not have
somebody grandparents to help them | 1:40:11 | 1:40:13 | |
because we may not be there. I'm in
my 40s. I'm an exhausted working | 1:40:13 | 1:40:19 | |
mum. I know how tired I get looking
after my kids. That is why I asked | 1:40:19 | 1:40:24 | |
the question. It is demanding, isn't
it, Mandy? It is demanding. But when | 1:40:24 | 1:40:31 | |
you are tired and raising your own
children and working, it's a | 1:40:31 | 1:40:36 | |
different kind of tiredness. I'm
tired whilst I'm looking after them. | 1:40:36 | 1:40:44 | |
Having two together helps. They play
with each other. I just organise. | 1:40:44 | 1:40:48 | |
Then choose to have got the other
one. She's a good child, so it's not | 1:40:48 | 1:40:52 | |
a problem. You enjoy doing it so
much. On Tuesday they are gone. | 1:40:52 | 1:40:58 | |
Although I do see them other times
in the week, maybe Sunday, whatever, | 1:40:58 | 1:41:03 | |
it is not continual. You do know it
is finite. With your own children | 1:41:03 | 1:41:08 | |
you are tired because it is
relentless. This isn't. There is a | 1:41:08 | 1:41:12 | |
reason why you have a special
relationship with your | 1:41:12 | 1:41:15 | |
grandchildren, and it is because it
is not continuous. If I couldn't do | 1:41:15 | 1:41:20 | |
it, I wouldn't. Does this news that
you could be getting extra tax | 1:41:20 | 1:41:25 | |
breaks that will amount to several
hundred pounds a year, make a | 1:41:25 | 1:41:29 | |
difference? Or do you do it for the
love of it. I'm guessing by your | 1:41:29 | 1:41:34 | |
face that you think no right us I
can't believe we are getting a tax | 1:41:34 | 1:41:41 | |
break. Money would be wonderful who
would not like more money. If I | 1:41:41 | 1:41:48 | |
wasn't working and there was no tax
break, I would still do it. They are | 1:41:48 | 1:41:52 | |
your grandkids. It's what you do.
Thank you both for speaking to us. | 1:41:52 | 1:41:57 | |
Don't work too hard at your
hairdressers! Thank you. | 1:41:57 | 1:42:03 | |
What next for Ant and Dec? | 1:42:03 | 1:42:04 | |
It's almost impossible to imagine
one without the other. | 1:42:04 | 1:42:06 | |
The pair have been inseparable
for years both professionally, | 1:42:06 | 1:42:08 | |
as Britain's best-known presenting
duo, and personally, through their | 1:42:08 | 1:42:10 | |
longstanding friendship. | 1:42:10 | 1:42:11 | |
There you are, that's it,
Toff is our winner. | 1:42:11 | 1:42:15 | |
I hope you've all enjoyed the past
three weeks as much as we have. | 1:42:15 | 1:42:18 | |
All that is left for us to say
now though is, Toff, | 1:42:18 | 1:42:21 | |
you are a celebrity and you're Queen
of the Jungle. | 1:42:21 | 1:42:24 | |
Get yourself out of here! | 1:42:24 | 1:42:25 | |
Well done, Toff. | 1:42:25 | 1:42:27 | |
CHEERING. | 1:42:27 | 1:42:35 | |
A massive fan of yours, George. | 1:42:37 | 1:42:38 | |
So excited you're
on the show tonight. | 1:42:38 | 1:42:40 | |
Not as excited as I am. | 1:42:40 | 1:42:43 | |
I grew up watching this show,
it's amazing, thank you very much. | 1:42:43 | 1:42:46 | |
You grew up watching the show? | 1:42:46 | 1:42:47 | |
LAUGHTER. | 1:42:47 | 1:42:49 | |
I'll be honest, I'm
starting to go off him. | 1:42:49 | 1:42:51 | |
He's a little bit chatty, isn't he? | 1:42:51 | 1:42:53 | |
Stick to the singing, son. | 1:42:53 | 1:42:55 | |
He'll be back later
for the end of the show. | 1:42:55 | 1:42:57 | |
George Ezra, everybody. | 1:42:57 | 1:43:00 | |
OK then, here we go. | 1:43:01 | 1:43:04 | |
The winner of Britain's
Got Talent 2017 is... | 1:43:04 | 1:43:12 | |
Tokio Myers! | 1:43:16 | 1:43:23 | |
Well done, Tokio! | 1:43:23 | 1:43:24 | |
But following Ant McPartlin's arrest
on suspicion of drink driving, | 1:43:24 | 1:43:34 | |
his much publicised painkiller
and alcohol addiction and his split | 1:43:34 | 1:43:36 | |
from his wife, there are now
fears for their future. | 1:43:36 | 1:43:38 | |
We know Ant won't be returning
to this year's series | 1:43:38 | 1:43:42 | |
of Saturday Night Takeaway on ITV,
and Dec Donnelly is now | 1:43:42 | 1:43:45 | |
working out what to do
with the rest of the series. | 1:43:45 | 1:43:48 | |
So what could happen
next for the pair? | 1:43:48 | 1:43:50 | |
Someone who knows Ant well
is Colman Hutchinson. | 1:43:50 | 1:43:52 | |
He's a former executive producer
of ITV's Who Wants To Be | 1:43:52 | 1:43:54 | |
A Millionaire and Blind Date. | 1:43:54 | 1:43:57 | |
With me is Sam Wolfson,
editor of Vice UK. | 1:43:57 | 1:44:00 | |
He's written extensively about
the pair's on-screen friendship. | 1:44:00 | 1:44:03 | |
In Stoke-on-Trent is
Emma Jackson-Bowers who is a huge | 1:44:03 | 1:44:05 | |
fan of their Saturday Night Takeaway
programme. | 1:44:05 | 1:44:07 | |
Her husband got a tattoo
of both Ant and Dec. | 1:44:07 | 1:44:15 | |
Emma, I have to start with you. Why
has your husband got a tattoo of ant | 1:44:17 | 1:44:22 | |
and deck? We want to enter the
competition to try and win the kids | 1:44:22 | 1:44:27 | |
a place on the plane. The trigger
competition was published just after | 1:44:27 | 1:44:33 | |
the show on Saturday night. It was
the best thing we could think of to | 1:44:33 | 1:44:37 | |
try and win a place. That his
commitment to the cause. That is on | 1:44:37 | 1:44:41 | |
his arm, is it? Is on his calf. What
you make of what has happened to the | 1:44:41 | 1:44:50 | |
partnership over the last few
months, and the challenges that Ant | 1:44:50 | 1:44:55 | |
McPartlin has been feeling? Do you
feel sympathy? I do feel sympathy. | 1:44:55 | 1:45:01 | |
He is going through a rough patch.
Everybody goes through rough | 1:45:01 | 1:45:06 | |
patches. With his addiction, the
divorce from his wife, he is in a | 1:45:06 | 1:45:11 | |
really bad place at the moment. As
for ant and deck as a duo, I feel | 1:45:11 | 1:45:21 | |
for Declan as well. This is through
no fault of his own that it could | 1:45:21 | 1:45:25 | |
possibly affect his career as well.
I want to bring you in, Coleman. I | 1:45:25 | 1:45:31 | |
know you know Ant McPartlin quite
well. I'm interested in some of the | 1:45:31 | 1:45:35 | |
comments made by celebrities on TV
in recent days. Phillip Schofield | 1:45:35 | 1:45:40 | |
has been supportive yet critical
about obviously drink-driving. And | 1:45:40 | 1:45:44 | |
also Piers Morgan saying this Ant
McPartlin is not the guy he knows. | 1:45:44 | 1:45:49 | |
Is he the guy you know? | 1:45:49 | 1:45:54 | |
First of all I had to say don't know
him well, I have only met him at | 1:45:54 | 1:45:59 | |
functions and had a meeting so I
don't know him personally so I | 1:45:59 | 1:46:02 | |
wouldn't be able to say what I feel
personally because I'm not a friend | 1:46:02 | 1:46:07 | |
of his and I don't know him on a
personal level, I have met him a few | 1:46:07 | 1:46:12 | |
times. With regards to his future
and you looking at this from an | 1:46:12 | 1:46:17 | |
executive point of view, his future
and the future for Ant and Dec is a | 1:46:17 | 1:46:22 | |
huge brand for ITV? Absolutely, it
is massive. I think the brand has | 1:46:22 | 1:46:28 | |
been so perfect, they are loved by
the nation, everybody thinks they | 1:46:28 | 1:46:33 | |
are perfect and wonderful and
suddenly there is a chink in the | 1:46:33 | 1:46:37 | |
armour over the last 12 months. And
I figured it is frightening. These | 1:46:37 | 1:46:42 | |
things can come to an end very
quickly. You look at Michael | 1:46:42 | 1:46:48 | |
Barrymore, he was huge in his day
and could do no wrong and everybody | 1:46:48 | 1:46:51 | |
adored him and it was wonderful and
suddenly a few things go wrong and | 1:46:51 | 1:46:55 | |
it is all over. It is terribly
worrying for them I think. | 1:46:55 | 1:47:01 | |
Particularly, I feel for both of
them but particularly for Dec. He | 1:47:01 | 1:47:06 | |
has not been involved in any of
this, it is not down to him, and his | 1:47:06 | 1:47:13 | |
career is under threat because of
the actions of Ant, which is | 1:47:13 | 1:47:18 | |
difficult. Talk about that
friendship, you have written a lot | 1:47:18 | 1:47:21 | |
about how strong it is, they lived
near each other, it is quite an | 1:47:21 | 1:47:26 | |
incestuous relationship! They are
very close, they go to each other's | 1:47:26 | 1:47:29 | |
houses and have dinner and go on
holiday together and have always | 1:47:29 | 1:47:32 | |
said that if the key to the success
that they are friends first and the | 1:47:32 | 1:47:36 | |
career has come from that. That is
why I think it is so difficult now | 1:47:36 | 1:47:40 | |
because they have said in the past
that they would not go on TV which | 1:47:40 | 1:47:43 | |
out the other -- without the other.
If Ant is out of this series of | 1:47:43 | 1:47:51 | |
Saturday Night Takeaway and
Britain's Got Talent, presumably | 1:47:51 | 1:47:55 | |
that means Dec is out as well. It
can quite quickly fall apart because | 1:47:55 | 1:48:00 | |
they have never really had a hiatus
from TV. Since Pop Idol in 2001 they | 1:48:00 | 1:48:07 | |
have been on Saturday night prime
time three shows a year pretty much | 1:48:07 | 1:48:11 | |
constantly. I think it will be
particularly challenging for them to | 1:48:11 | 1:48:16 | |
talk about this in a way that can
kind of work within their act and | 1:48:16 | 1:48:22 | |
who they are. They handled it
brilliantly on I'm A Celebrity | 1:48:22 | 1:48:25 | |
because when Ant came back they make
jokes about it and because they drew | 1:48:25 | 1:48:31 | |
attention to it, it worked well also
slightly different if you look at | 1:48:31 | 1:48:38 | |
addiction to painkillers against
potentially a drink-driving offence. | 1:48:38 | 1:48:43 | |
They have tried it this time, a
couple of jokes and move on and | 1:48:43 | 1:48:46 | |
clearly that has not worked because
there has been another incident. I | 1:48:46 | 1:48:51 | |
don't want to speculate on whether
it is a relapse or whatever but it | 1:48:51 | 1:48:56 | |
is a serious incident and at this
point I think for the first time | 1:48:56 | 1:49:00 | |
ever they might have do drop the act
and talk seriously about what has | 1:49:00 | 1:49:05 | |
happened to regain that trust with
viewers. And also to be good | 1:49:05 | 1:49:10 | |
spokespeople for depression and
mental health issues. How much of | 1:49:10 | 1:49:14 | |
this decision will be down to them
and how much will be taken out of | 1:49:14 | 1:49:18 | |
their hands by ITV and by the
advertisers? I think the decision | 1:49:18 | 1:49:22 | |
will be taken out of their hands,
because I feel that ITV, their sense | 1:49:22 | 1:49:29 | |
would be that we cannot have him on
television at the moment when he is | 1:49:29 | 1:49:32 | |
under suspicion of this
drink-driving. It is a family show, | 1:49:32 | 1:49:38 | |
they are looked up to and admired.
They are role models for young | 1:49:38 | 1:49:43 | |
people. I think it would be very
difficult even if he wanted to | 1:49:43 | 1:49:48 | |
continue for him to continue at the
moment while this hangs over him. As | 1:49:48 | 1:49:53 | |
I said, they are role models and
that is what they are seen as an | 1:49:53 | 1:49:57 | |
they will have to overcome this
somehow. I think it is too early to | 1:49:57 | 1:50:00 | |
do that at the moment. As a fan,
what is your take on this? Do you | 1:50:00 | 1:50:07 | |
think it would be appropriate to
seek Ant back on TV or do you think | 1:50:07 | 1:50:12 | |
it is too serious an allegation
which he is facing and therefore he | 1:50:12 | 1:50:15 | |
has to step back? I would love to
see Ant back on TV but I think for | 1:50:15 | 1:50:22 | |
the moment he has made the right
decision by stepping away from his | 1:50:22 | 1:50:27 | |
work commitments and he needs to get
himself sorted and take some time | 1:50:27 | 1:50:31 | |
out to heal himself and get in a
better place but I would like to see | 1:50:31 | 1:50:35 | |
him back on TV. He is a big role
model for most of the kids. I would | 1:50:35 | 1:50:42 | |
like you to have a look at this if
you can, because since we have been | 1:50:42 | 1:50:47 | |
on air, a viewer who want is that
Weight Ant and Dec has said Abbot | 1:50:47 | 1:50:53 | |
Point impact it had on their young
son -- who watches Ant and Dec. Why | 1:50:53 | 1:50:57 | |
are you crying? Because Ant and Dec
is not on any more. Whose fault is | 1:50:57 | 1:51:03 | |
that? Ant's fault. It certainly is.
Come on now, stop crying. I can't! | 1:51:03 | 1:51:13 | |
It's hard to watch. That is the
problem, they had to connect with | 1:51:15 | 1:51:20 | |
their audience and if their audience
is cross... I think so come they | 1:51:20 | 1:51:26 | |
have a broad audience, it is not
little kids, it is mums and grandads | 1:51:26 | 1:51:31 | |
and everything and there is a lot of
the audience who will have dealt | 1:51:31 | 1:51:35 | |
with similar things that Ant is
going through and it is about | 1:51:35 | 1:51:38 | |
connecting with that group and be
able to talk openly about these | 1:51:38 | 1:51:41 | |
things. Obviously the priority has
to be his health and the safety of | 1:51:41 | 1:51:46 | |
others, drink-driving is a serious
crime. I am sorry for that kid, it | 1:51:46 | 1:51:51 | |
is upsetting, sad that we will miss
Saturday Night Takeaway as lobber | 1:51:51 | 1:51:57 | |
they have given it a go trying to
prioritise being on TV -- as well. | 1:51:57 | 1:52:02 | |
There was some talk on Twitter about
whether Scarlett Moffatt from goggle | 1:52:02 | 1:52:10 | |
boxed, she was on Saturday Night
Takeaway on Saturday, if she should | 1:52:10 | 1:52:13 | |
have sent -- on goggle box also
would ITV entertain the thought of | 1:52:13 | 1:52:21 | |
him presenting with somebody else? I
think it would be a huge ask for her | 1:52:21 | 1:52:30 | |
to co-host with Dec, it is not an
easy job, they are hugely talented | 1:52:30 | 1:52:34 | |
and skilled at what they do and have
honed their skills over many years. | 1:52:34 | 1:52:37 | |
I think it would be virtually
impossible to get somebody like | 1:52:37 | 1:52:42 | |
Scarlett Moffatt, talented though
she is, she does not have that | 1:52:42 | 1:52:44 | |
quality is because she does not have
the experience. I cannot imagine | 1:52:44 | 1:52:48 | |
being in a position to be able to
co-host the show with Dec. I am sure | 1:52:48 | 1:52:54 | |
there are others who would be
capable, whether they would have the | 1:52:54 | 1:52:57 | |
same chemistry... They could get
Tapili back. | 1:52:57 | 1:53:06 | |
Tapili back. -- Cat Deely. Thank you
all for coming back. | 1:53:08 | 1:53:14 | |
This morning we've been
asking if there's enough | 1:53:14 | 1:53:16 | |
help for people addicted
to prescription painkillers? | 1:53:16 | 1:53:18 | |
Nicki Hari told us her GP made
an addict of her in prescribing | 1:53:18 | 1:53:21 | |
them, but then had no idea how
to help her dependency, which ended | 1:53:21 | 1:53:24 | |
up lasting 25 years. | 1:53:24 | 1:53:25 | |
It wasn't until I was 18 that
I was put on very strong painkillers | 1:53:25 | 1:53:29 | |
after having my appendix out. | 1:53:29 | 1:53:32 | |
What were you put on? | 1:53:32 | 1:53:34 | |
On codeine, Co-codamol,
I was given tramadol and at the time | 1:53:34 | 1:53:36 | |
I realised that I actually
really liked that feeling. | 1:53:36 | 1:53:43 | |
It was like being on a pink
fluffy cloud, all of | 1:53:43 | 1:53:46 | |
my worries and stresses
went away and I just | 1:53:46 | 1:53:52 | |
my worries and stresses went away
and I just felt really | 1:53:52 | 1:53:54 | |
relaxed about everything. | 1:53:54 | 1:53:56 | |
The pain that I thought I had had
disappeared so that's when | 1:53:56 | 1:53:58 | |
it started. | 1:53:58 | 1:54:02 | |
Obviously it didn't continue
solidly until much later. | 1:54:02 | 1:54:07 | |
Presumably you came off those drugs
after you had the operation? | 1:54:07 | 1:54:15 | |
Yes, I came off them and it wasn't
until I got into rehab and I looked | 1:54:16 | 1:54:18 | |
at my journey from start to finish,
well, not finish because I haven't | 1:54:18 | 1:54:22 | |
finished my journey yet,
but I realised I could see a pattern | 1:54:22 | 1:54:24 | |
forming on how I loved
having the feeling of | 1:54:24 | 1:54:32 | |
prescription painkillers. | 1:54:33 | 1:54:35 | |
And it was very easy
to manipulate the system. | 1:54:35 | 1:54:37 | |
At the time the GPs were giving
them out quite freely. | 1:54:37 | 1:54:41 | |
I would go to my GP,
say I'm in a lot of pain in and be | 1:54:41 | 1:54:44 | |
given a tramadol repeat prescription
for six months so I didn't even have | 1:54:44 | 1:54:48 | |
to go to the GP and it doesn't take
very long to become addicted, | 1:54:48 | 1:54:51 | |
seven to ten days and you're hooked. | 1:54:51 | 1:54:59 | |
We can speak now to some
of our viewers who've got | 1:55:02 | 1:55:04 | |
in touch this morning. | 1:55:04 | 1:55:05 | |
Agnes is in Manchester -
she's addicted to painkillers | 1:55:05 | 1:55:07 | |
but says they're the only option
to address her pain. | 1:55:07 | 1:55:11 | |
Bob, who's in Doncaster -
his twin brother was | 1:55:11 | 1:55:13 | |
addicted to painkillers. | 1:55:13 | 1:55:16 | |
And Jo is in Glastonbury -
she says she tried to take her | 1:55:16 | 1:55:19 | |
own life after being
addicted to painkillers. | 1:55:19 | 1:55:23 | |
Thank you for talking to us. Tell me
about your situation and how you got | 1:55:23 | 1:55:27 | |
there. I started when I was pregnant
with my now 12-year-old daughter. I | 1:55:27 | 1:55:36 | |
had slipped discs and I was given
Co-codamol at first but had a bad | 1:55:36 | 1:55:43 | |
reaction to it and two years after I
was given tramadol. A few years ago | 1:55:43 | 1:55:48 | |
in 2013 I became ill with CFS,
chronic fatigue syndrome, and I | 1:55:48 | 1:55:57 | |
experienced a lot of muscle pain and
this was basically the only thing | 1:55:57 | 1:56:02 | |
that helped me. I have been referred
to pain clinic, fried gabapentin, | 1:56:02 | 1:56:08 | |
this is the only thing apart from
coming off which might GB has | 1:56:08 | 1:56:14 | |
suggested to come off and just bear
the pain but it is not easy to live | 1:56:14 | 1:56:18 | |
with this type of pain. I want to
bring in Bob. It was your twin | 1:56:18 | 1:56:26 | |
brother who was addicted to
painkillers? That's right. Tell us | 1:56:26 | 1:56:30 | |
what happened. He was knocked off
his bicycle cycling to work one | 1:56:30 | 1:56:36 | |
morning, he taught maths in high
school, and subsequently had an | 1:56:36 | 1:56:43 | |
operation on his back which do not
go well and he was left in a lot of | 1:56:43 | 1:56:48 | |
pain. He was prescribed numerous
drugs over quite a period of time | 1:56:48 | 1:56:53 | |
but each time he was given a
different description he was not | 1:56:53 | 1:56:57 | |
allowed to come down off the
previous drug properly -- different | 1:56:57 | 1:57:01 | |
prescription. These basically just
fried his brain I think any tried on | 1:57:01 | 1:57:07 | |
a number of occasions to commit
suicide and in the end he managed to | 1:57:07 | 1:57:11 | |
do it. It is desperately sad and I
am so sorry to hear that. I wanted | 1:57:11 | 1:57:17 | |
to bring in Jo, tell me your
experiences. I'm approaching 50. I | 1:57:17 | 1:57:28 | |
was | 1:57:28 | 1:57:35 | |
was put on, tranquillisers, in my
20s. The dose was going up because I | 1:57:35 | 1:57:42 | |
was getting used to them and the
doctor was giving me more. What I | 1:57:42 | 1:57:46 | |
did not realise was one of the
side-effects was depression and that | 1:57:46 | 1:57:49 | |
led to me trying to take my own life
when I was about 21. A couple of | 1:57:49 | 1:57:56 | |
years later I was diagnosed with
various pain issues and put on very | 1:57:56 | 1:58:06 | |
strong opiate medication. This is an
exact TV stories we have had | 1:58:06 | 1:58:10 | |
throughout the programme. Thank you
all very much for sharing your | 1:58:10 | 1:58:14 | |
experiences this morning. Thank you
for your company and all of the | 1:58:14 | 1:58:20 | |
messages you have been sending to
us, we do read them all. Have a | 1:58:20 | 1:58:24 | |
lovely day. Thank you for your
company. | 1:58:24 | 1:58:32 |