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Hello.

Welcome to the programme.

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After years of a 1% pay cap, the

government is expected to announce a

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significant pay increase for NHS

staff in England, apart from

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doctors.

Staff have got to be

addressed, vacancies have to be

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addressed. The issue of using agency

staff has to be addressed. In that

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context it is significant that that

pay award has been made.

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We get reaction from NHS workers.

Plus, there has been a huge rise in

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the number of women using donated

eggs to get pregnant.

You get

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married and then your friends have

kids and it's just not happening to

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you. It suddenly becomes the most

important thing in your life, the

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only thing that you can focus on.

And what next for the future of ant

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and tech? We look at what impact Ant

McPartlin's arrest for drink-driving

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will have on the pair? And how lives

are ruined by addiction to

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painkillers.

Hello and welcome to the programme.

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We're live until 11.

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Throughout the morning we'll bring

you the latest breaking news

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and developing stories and -

as always - really

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keen to hear from you.

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A litle later we'll be talking

to some of you who've

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deleted your Facebook account

in protest at the company's data

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and privacy policies.

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If you've done it, do get in touch.

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If you don't want to message us

on Facebook, you can do

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so a number of other ways.

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Use the hashtag Victoria live.

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And if you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate.

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Our top story today -

the government is poised to announce

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a significant pay rise for almost

all NHS staff

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in England, apart from doctors.

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It's thought that around a million

health workers will receive

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an average increase of 6% over three

years, in a move which could cost

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the Treasury £4 billion.

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We can speak now to Catherine Burn

's, health correspondent. I know we

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don't have all of the details on

this so far, but what details do we

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have?

It seems to be a six to 6.5%

increase over three years. That is

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the headline. The reality will be

quite different. The average is

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going to be spread out. The biggest

increase will ghost -- increases

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will go to the poorest paid people,

porters, catering staff, cleaners.

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They could have an increase of 29%

over three years. It is quite a big

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deal and quite a decisive end to pay

caps. Since 2010, there have been

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pay freezes and pay cap Macs 1%.

This is a big break.

Porters could

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go from £15,000 to £19,000, a huge

jump?

It is. But the Royal College

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of Nursing is say that if you take

in real terms and count in

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inflation, they have essentially had

a pay cut 14%. Even though people

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will welcome this, they will not

necessarily be jumping for joy.

We

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don't know if it will be accepted?

The unions are meeting today at 11.

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We are expecting them to sign off on

this. There will be a lot of

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last-minute haggling. The

interesting thing to look out for

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will be what sort of strings there

are attached to this.

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are attached to this. NHS workers

lost a day's pay over this. Sickness

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levels in the NHS may be one thing.

There has been talk of increments,

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when NHS workers sort of get

on-the-job pay rises. There has been

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talk of the more -- being more

tightly controlled. It will be

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interesting to see what happens.

Thank you. More on that later in the

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programme. If you do work for the

NHS, get in touch. Would you accept

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this, would you support this?

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Joanna Gosling is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

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of the rest of the day's news.

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Good morning.

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Facebook will be questioned

by politicians in Washington today,

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as the company comes under growing

pressure to explain how data

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from 50 million accounts was used

by a British company

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during the US presidential election.

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It's alleged that Cambridge

Analytica used the data to target

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voters and influence

the election outcome.

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That company's chief executive,

Alexander Nix, has been suspended.

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Both firms deny any wrongdoing.

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Simon Jones reports.

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Facebook held a crisis

meeting today...

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An international row about Facebook

data making headlines

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in the States and in London,

home to the consultancy,

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Cambridge Analytica.

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That company is accused

of using the personal data

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of 50 million Facebook users to send

highly targeted messages during

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the 2016 US election campaign.

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Secret filming by Channel 4 News

shows Cambridge Analytica's boss,

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Alexander Nix, boasting

about the role it played

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in Donald Trump's victory.

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The company has denied

the Facebook information

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was used for this purpose.

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It said Mr Nix's comments do to not

represent the values of the firm.

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He has been suspended.

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The Cambridge academic

who created the app

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from which the data

was harvested, has

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been banned from Facebook but says

the only thing he did wrong was not

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to ask enough questions.

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My view is that I have been used

as a scapegoat by Facebook

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and Cambridge Analytica.

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We thought we were acting perfectly

appropriately, we thought we were

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doing something really normal.

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Facebook says it did break rules

by donating data to third parties

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and says it has been deceived

by Cambridge Analytica.

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Facebook denies it has done anything

wrong but there is growing pressure

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from politicians in the US and the

UK for its boss, Mark Zuckerberg, to

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break his silence about how his

customers' information is protected.

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The Royal Air Force has confirmed

that a member of its Red Arrows

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aerobatic team has died in a crash

in North Wales.

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The engineer was killed when a Hawk

jet came down near the RAF Valley

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base on Anglesey yesterday.

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The pilot, who is injured

and receiving medical

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care, managed to eject.

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The jet came down shortly after

taking off on a routine flight.

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There are no details

about the cause of the crash.

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The mother of a two-year-old girl

who died after she was pulled

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from a car found in a river,

has said she will feel guilt

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for the rest of her life.

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Kiara Moore was found

in the River Teifi in Cardigan,

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Ceredigion, after she had been left

in the car while it was parked

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on a slipway on Monday.

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Her father said when the driver

returned, the car was missing

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and initially feared stolen.

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But after a large police search

the car was found in the water.

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A man has been injured

after a parcel bomb exploded

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in the Texan city of Austin -

the latest in a series

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of similar attacks.

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Five devices have detonated

so far this month,

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which have killed two people.

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A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted

before it exploded.

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The FBI now believes the attacks

are the work of a serial bomber.

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President Trump is reported to have

ignored warnings from his national

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security advisers not

to congratulate Vladimir Putin

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on his re-election.

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The Washington Post

is reporting that Mr Trump went

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against his advisers,

and was even given a briefing note

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with the words "Do Not Congratulate"

in capital letters.

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The amount of plastic in the ocean

could trouble within a decade unless

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action is taken. A report from the

UK government says plastics is just

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one issue facing the world's sees

along with rising sea levels. It

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says much more knowledge is needed

about the ocean. The government

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could face an additional bill of

£300 million after on the claim

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benefit claims. The main sickness

and that was predicted to cause the

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government £5 million. The National

Audit Office says the true price

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could be more. Ministers say they

are committed to paying everybody by

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April 20 19. Vulnerable mental

health patients are being let down

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because of serious failings in their

treatment, the Parliamentary and

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health service ombudsman has said.

Issues with some mental health trust

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could lead to some patients

suffering harm. It also found mental

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health care staff can like the

skills and training they need to do

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their job properly. The government

is expanding service provision.

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A group of MPs is warning

of government complacency when it

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comes to security co-operation

with the EU after Brexit.

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The all-party Home Affairs Committee

says the transition period,

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which has recently been agreed,

may need to be extended if public

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safety is not to be compromised.

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They say it's down to the complexity

of issues such as data sharing,

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the European Arrest Warrant

and Europol membership.

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Mark Easton reports.

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Membership of the EU means

the UK enjoys access

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to valuable police data bases,

the European Arrest Warrant scheme

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and the services of Europol.

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The government says it is optimistic

about negotiating just as good

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a deal for when we leave,

but after taking evidence

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from people from the National Crime

Agency and other organisations

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which rely on EU security

corporation, an all-party committee

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of MPs says it does not

share that optimism.

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We are worried that a security

treaty will not be signed

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and implemented in time

for when the transition period ends

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and that could leave us

without proper extradition

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arrangements if people flee justice

and flee from crimes,

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but also without access to criminal

data that the police properly need.

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Access to EU-wide data systems

and the resources of Europol depend

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on legal obligations underpinned

by the European Court of Justice.

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The UK has said being outside

the European courts jurisdiction

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is a red line, but the MPs say

the government should not be too

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rigid on such matters if it

wants to get a good deal.

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And they reckon the complex

technical and legal issues mean both

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sides need to be ready to extend

the two-year transition

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before Brexit kicks in.

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Accusing the government

of complacency, the committee warns

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the UK could be sleepwalking

into a security crisis.

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Mark Easton, BBC News.

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Talk about springing a leak -

these pictures are of a water main

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break in University City

near San Diego yesterday.

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Local reports said a contractor hit

a six-inch diameter blow-off valve

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connected to a water main causing

the leak which saw water shoot up

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above the Californian highway.

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The break shut down the road

for roughly 30 minutes,

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while crews worked to shut off

the water.

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It's been a 25-year wait,

but later today the first polar bear

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cub born in the UK for over two

decades will make his public debut.

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Born in December, the bear

is still to be named as keepers

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try to determine its sex.

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The cub has spent the last four

months with it's mum Victoria

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in the maternity den

at the Highland Wildlife

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Park in Scotland.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30.

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Thank you, joiner. Let me bring you

this news that we are getting in

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from Texas. Reports saying that the

suspect in a series of bombings in

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the state capital of Austin has

died. You can see pictures coming in

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from Austin. Those are live

pictures. We understand a local

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television station is saying the

suspect detonated a device while

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being pursued by police, and was

killed. Earlier the FBI said it

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believed six separate attacks in

Texas were the result of a serial

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bomber. A man being pursued by

police as being killed. We will keep

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you with any news.

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This morning - is there enough

help for people addicted

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to prescription painkillers?

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In the next few minutes we will be

talking to a couple of people about

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the wrong painkiller addiction is.

We will get a sense of what that is

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like. Also people who work at

addiction clinics to talk about the

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sort of people they are treating and

the stories they are hearing. One

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former councillor has told the BBC

the NHS is creating drug addicts. Do

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you agree with that? We want your

experiences this morning if you are

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addicted to these painkillers. To

get in touch. If you text, you will

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be charged at the standard network

rate. Mohsin sport.

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We can speak to John Motson. We need

to talk about the World Cup. Big

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question, who is the England number

one?

That is central, really, with

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those World Cup places, the battle

for them, Harding up. Particularly

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in goal. Nick Pope worked as a

milkman nine years ago. Now he is

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battling out for the number one spot

in the England squad. It is far from

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nailed down heading into those

friendlies. We are taking him out

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because his story is fantastic.

Having been released at 16, he had

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spells outside the football league

before joining Burnley. He only got

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his chance because of injury to Tom

Heaton. Now he could make his

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international debut in the

forthcoming friendlies with the

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Netherlands and Italy. If you are

questioning if he is the right pick

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for the job, he says he is a safe

pair of hands having never dropped a

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bottle on his milk round.

No, I was Kleenex Mac it was a

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float, electric.

What is the best

thing about England goalkeeper?

Can

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I call myself that if I haven't

played? I think it is just the

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honour, really. Obviously the moment

from Thursday. Getting around people

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and been there from the start,

people have travelled the journey

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with them -- with me. To share that

with them is something I will never

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forget.

It will be a great story of the does

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get selected. Fantastic to hear how

much it means to represent his

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country. From internationals to the

women's Champions League, which

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continues tonight. Manchester City

in Chelsea in action. City are at

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home to their Swedish opponents. In

the WSL this season they are second

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behind Chelsea, who play

Montpellier. If both teams progress,

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it will be the first time in the

competition's history that two

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British clubs have reached the

semifinals.

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We don't our homework on, we know

they are a good team and have

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dominated Swedish football so it

will be a big game with tough

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opponents. Nice to have a home game,

we're been awake for about ten games

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and it has been hard but we have

great support at home and we love

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having them at home. Excited.

One of

several big games coming up in a

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busy end of the week.

And a huge

cricket match in Zimbabwe at the

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moment which could mean Scotland

reached the World Cup?

They are

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playing the West Indies with a place

at the World Cup up for grabs next

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year. The huge match for Scotland.

They make the best start, taking the

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key wicket of Chris Gayle with the

very first ball of the day and he

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then removed Shai Hope to leave the

West Indies at 2-2 but they are now

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99-2 after 24 overs. And we were

talking about England goalkeepers at

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the World Cup, if you're hoping to

be selected you will want to avoid

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something like this happening. This

was a video on social media, some

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street football in Argentina. Superb

skill. A little unfair on the

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goalkeeper! There is no coming back

from that. We know that penalties

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might feature in the World Cup but I

would be very impressed if anybody

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tries that! Amazing!

Thank you,

John.

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This morning - is there enough

help for people addicted

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to prescription painkillers?

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Those who have been addicted to them

have told this programme they have

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been failed at every step.

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Nearly 24 million painkillers,

like Tramadol and morphine,

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were prescribed last year -

that's about 2,700 packs an hour.

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We know that Ant McPartlin is taking

a break from TV to enter

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rehab for a second time.

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Last year he revealed his addiction

to prescription drugs

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following a routine knee operation.

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Later on in the programme,

we'll look at what this could mean

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for the future of Ant and Dec -

two of the biggest names in TV.

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But first, we want to look

at the devastating impact addiction

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to prescription drugs can have

and we want to hear from you too.

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Do get in touch

with your experiences.

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We can talk now to Nicki Hari,

who says her GP made an addict

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of her in prescribing them,

but then had no idea how

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to help her dependency,

which ended up lasting 25 years,

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Antony Corrigan was addicted

to Tramadol, and says he had

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to fight his GP to get off the drug.

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Eytan Alexander, who runs Ukat,

a private addiction centre that has

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referrals from NHS patients in need,

to rehab for painkiller dependency.

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And Cathy Stannard

joins us from Bristol,

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and is a pain consultant.

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She's developing a model

of painkiller support services

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for NHS Gloucestershire.

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Thank you for joining us. I want to

start with you, Nicki. You were very

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young when you put on in strong

painkillers, just 14.

I was 14 I had

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my first operation and I was given

paracetamol and Nurofen also it was

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not until I was 18 that I was put on

very strong painkillers after having

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my appendix out.

What were you put

on?

Codeine, De Goede Mull, tramadol

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and at the time I realised that I

actually really liked the feeling.

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It was like being on a pink fluffy

cloud, all my worries and stresses

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went away. I felt relaxed about

everything. The pain I thought I had

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disappeared. That was when it

started. It did not continue

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solidly...

I was going to ask,

presumably you came off those drugs

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after the operation?

I came off them

out was not until I got into rehab

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and I looked at my journey from

start to finish, well, not finish,

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because I have not finished it yet,

but I realised I could see a pattern

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forming on how I loved having the

feeling of prescription painkillers.

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It was very easy to manipulate the

system. At the time the GPs were

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giving them out quite freely. I

would say that I was in a lot of

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pain and be given a tramadol repeat

prescription for six months so I did

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not even had to go to the GP. It

doesn't take very long to become

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addicted, seven to ten days and

you're hooked.

I can see as you are

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speaking that Anthony is nodding.

Was that your experience as well?

0:20:270:20:31

Very much so, my story is very

similar. I went to the doctor with

0:20:310:20:38

severe pain in my back, I found

myself not able to sit, standing up

0:20:380:20:43

a lot and walking around so I went

to the doctors and pretty much

0:20:430:20:48

immediately they offered me tramadol

and they thought I might have

0:20:480:20:55

sciatica so they offered me another

painkiller that I took. They told me

0:20:550:20:59

to take up to 24 tablets per day,

nothing at all. I came home and took

0:20:590:21:05

the first dose and I was completely

out of it. I was zombified. My

0:21:050:21:12

partner was concerned and did not

want me to continue but I put my

0:21:120:21:16

trust in the doctor that this was

what I needed and it was addressing

0:21:160:21:19

a health need. I did not see it as a

problem.

How long were you on those

0:21:190:21:24

drugs?

In total about two and a half

years. It started gradually, they

0:21:240:21:33

said to take two tramadol every four

hours, eight tablets a day and I was

0:21:330:21:39

also taking gabapentin, that was

four tablets a day. I was not able

0:21:390:21:47

to function well. I was out of it,

it caused me problems at work, I was

0:21:470:21:54

in temporary work at the time so I

was phoning in sick because I could

0:21:540:22:00

not tolerate the pills and I ended

up losing jobs because of it for so

0:22:000:22:04

I felt the doctor was too ready to

give it to me without talking about

0:22:040:22:09

what might happen. He didn't even

offer to send me for tests to see

0:22:090:22:15

what the problem with my back would

be, it was just, take these, these

0:22:150:22:19

can help. I put my trust in my

doctor to help me and I now have

0:22:190:22:24

this feeling of absolute ignorance

that I did not go home and research

0:22:240:22:28

this result but why would I? I'm not

the trained person here.

I want to

0:22:280:22:34

bring in Eytan, you looked surprised

at the second drug he had been

0:22:340:22:41

given?

We see a whole host of drugs.

The mainstream drugs but something

0:22:410:22:48

like gabapentin, sleeping drug, any

form of prescription drug not taken

0:22:480:22:58

as prescribed can have an addictive

process to it was up you form a

0:22:580:23:03

chemical dependence on it. It is the

same thing them if you are a heroine

0:23:030:23:11

user, if you stop taking it, you go

into withdrawal and the same with

0:23:110:23:16

description drugs, you start feeling

unwell and you think you need to

0:23:160:23:20

take more. It is a self fulfilling

prophecy.

0:23:200:23:29

prophecy. Patients are unaware of

what is actually happening, they

0:23:290:23:34

just go and take it themselves.

I

was taking the medication purely as

0:23:340:23:40

prescribed by Mike GP, I was not

abusing the medication or increasing

0:23:400:23:46

the dose is, I was taking what I was

advised to take.

OK.

Again, I

0:23:460:23:54

started off like that and like Eytan

said, the pain went away but I felt

0:23:540:24:02

the GPs were not actually dealing

with the pain.

I agree.

I think

0:24:020:24:07

there should be more pain management

clinics, you should be given options

0:24:070:24:12

of alternative medicines as opposed

to prescribing such addictive

0:24:120:24:16

painkillers to patients.

I want to

bring in Cathy. A lot of accusations

0:24:160:24:23

being made about GPs giving out

these kinds of drugs too readily. Do

0:24:230:24:28

you think it is their criticism?

I

think it is difficult that if you

0:24:280:24:33

are a health care professional with

somebody in front of you who has

0:24:330:24:36

pain, and the accounts of Anthony

and Nicki are really tough, and it

0:24:360:24:46

is tough to not give somebody when

-- give something when somebody is

0:24:460:24:50

in pain is that it is a complex

interaction and the other thing it

0:24:500:24:54

is there to say, what has changed is

our knowledge and understanding of

0:24:540:25:00

how these tablets work. No doubt

that a few years ago we thought they

0:25:000:25:03

were probably the best thing to give

people with severe pain and it is

0:25:030:25:08

only now we are better able to

understand evidence and so on that

0:25:080:25:12

we realise in the long term they are

not the best thing. We all have to

0:25:120:25:17

put up our hands and said we'd

started patients on things that

0:25:170:25:19

maybe now we would not do. I think

two things that came clearly out of

0:25:190:25:25

those stories, one from Nicki was

that very soon she found that the

0:25:250:25:33

medicines helped her with getting

through life, made her feel floaty

0:25:330:25:38

like being on a cloud, that is one

of the things that keeps people

0:25:380:25:43

using them. And both said the

crucial thing to watch out for, when

0:25:430:25:48

you stop taking them you feel worse

so you continue to take them to stop

0:25:480:25:54

feeling worse and that is the marker

of when you have to have a

0:25:540:25:57

conversation with your health care

professional about how to support

0:25:570:26:00

you in coming off.

Let me read you

some of the messages we are getting

0:26:000:26:05

about this. A text from cat saying,

I've been taking large quantities of

0:26:050:26:12

morphine for over 17 years and I'm

dependent on them, taking them for

0:26:120:26:15

chronic pain in the spine after a

hit and run. Ruth says she was

0:26:150:26:21

predicted for years because of

constant headaches and got to the

0:26:210:26:23

point where she could not function

without them. No investigations were

0:26:230:26:28

carried out for 15 years until an

MRI scan for a different issue found

0:26:280:26:32

an aneurysm on the brain. I had to

wean myself off the painkillers

0:26:320:26:36

slowly and they controlled my life.

Did it change the person you were?

0:26:360:26:42

Completely, I did not see it but my

friends and family did. I became

0:26:420:26:46

vacant, absent from situations,

family get-togethers I was not there

0:26:460:26:54

for events at my children's school

force up you literally did not go

0:26:540:26:58

ought you were there and had no

recollection? I didn't go, I had no

0:26:580:27:05

motivation in life. Everything was

just numb. It is hard to describe

0:27:050:27:09

but you're in a cloud, a bubble and

you can't find a way out. When you

0:27:090:27:19

stop taking them, you realise you're

going into severe withdrawal the

0:27:190:27:23

same way a heroin addict would for

submitting cramps, night sweats,

0:27:230:27:30

shakes, your bones are aching and

you don't understand what is

0:27:300:27:32

happening. You think it is because

of the pain you are in, whether it

0:27:320:27:37

is your back or your knee or

whatever but what it is is

0:27:370:27:42

withdrawal from the medication. When

I saw my GP there was no help with

0:27:420:27:48

coming off it. You cannot just stop

taking painkillers, you have to do a

0:27:480:27:53

reduction programme and there is not

that help available.

Did you get

0:27:530:27:58

that support, Anthony?

I don't feel

I did. I went to my GP several times

0:27:580:28:03

and I said I felt I had a dependency

on the tablets. I had managed to

0:28:030:28:09

wean myself to a low dose but when I

tried to not take that last small

0:28:090:28:14

dose I was getting severe withdrawal

and as Nicki said, I was getting hot

0:28:140:28:19

sweats and cold flushes at the same

time, shaking a lot, the insomnia

0:28:190:28:25

was the worst I experienced, I would

fall asleep and immediately jolt

0:28:250:28:29

awake and could not get back to

sleep. I was moody, my partner was

0:28:290:28:33

completely concerned about me. It

was helpful to exercise but because

0:28:330:28:38

I was taking the tablets, up to the

Defour per day, I could not motivate

0:28:380:28:43

myself, I could not move around --

up to 24 per day. I was irritable

0:28:430:28:51

and I relate to what Nicki is

saying. I had to beg the doctor and

0:28:510:28:56

plead and eventually they gave me

zopiclone for one week, sleeping

0:28:560:29:03

medication which I took to get over

the initial period of withdrawal.

0:29:030:29:08

Thankfully, with that, I was able to

come through it. It took about three

0:29:080:29:13

months from that point to not feel

anything, the restless arms and

0:29:130:29:19

legs, and had to have a pair of

pliers in my hand to squeeze all the

0:29:190:29:23

time to take that horrible peeling

away and that was for about three

0:29:230:29:29

months afterwards -- horrible

feeling. I had not taken tramadol

0:29:290:29:31

and gabapentin for a year but I

still have the pain and the

0:29:310:29:37

herniated disc but I would rather

suffer the pain than the addiction

0:29:370:29:42

and the withdrawal, I'm not prepared

to go through that again.

People are

0:29:420:29:46

getting in touch echoing what you're

saying. Paul says he has been on

0:29:460:29:50

painkillers for 17 years because of

bladder cancer, my doctor tried to

0:29:500:29:54

cut back but my body will not have

it. My doctor doesn't know the way

0:29:540:29:58

of getting professional help and I'm

still trying. Another text said they

0:29:580:30:03

had an accident that resulted in

taking tramadol, take them for six

0:30:030:30:07

months before the GB stop them,

advanced advice they went cold

0:30:070:30:11

turkey and it was one of the worst

experiences that you could go

0:30:110:30:14

through. A final thought before we

wrap it up, from all of you, we have

0:30:140:30:22

heard Ant McPartlin has got into

rehab again and now we know he had a

0:30:220:30:26

stint in the summer for addiction to

painkillers. Your thoughts on what

0:30:260:30:29

he could be going through now and

from your own experience?

0:30:290:30:37

I was fortunate enough I had private

medical insurance at the time. The

0:30:370:30:42

only way I could get help was going

into a private residential detox.

0:30:420:30:48

And I think that's where,

unfortunately, because there is no

0:30:480:30:51

help on the NHS a lot of people are

contacting helplines were they try

0:30:510:30:59

and help people get into rehab. What

he is probably feeling now is shame,

0:30:590:31:05

guilt, that he has let everybody

down. But having been in rehab, he

0:31:050:31:12

came out and he went straight back

into his old lifestyle, not

0:31:120:31:17

realising, not really dealing with

his Demons. So he needs to kind of

0:31:170:31:23

understand the programme, have a

complete detox. In rehab you are

0:31:230:31:27

broken down. They are there to teach

you, to break you down.

It's easy to

0:31:270:31:38

stop taking drugs through a detox.

It's staying stopped which is the

0:31:380:31:43

issue. Continuing the process of,

what do I do after leaving

0:31:430:31:47

treatment? How do I stay in recovery

instead of going back to my old

0:31:470:31:53

lifestyle and old behaviours? Maybe

I'll just have one. The thought of

0:31:530:31:56

that first one spirals again into

the next process. It's very easy to

0:31:560:32:02

fall back into the trap.

With people

like me who still have the issue,

0:32:020:32:07

the issue has never been resolved. I

have had scans that show the issue.

0:32:070:32:13

I still have that problem. I know

choose not to take the drug. Nicky

0:32:130:32:19

said she had access to that private

facility. Many people like myself, I

0:32:190:32:24

don't have that. I have to put my

trust in my GP. I have two trust

0:32:240:32:29

where they refer me. I don't have

any means to pay for private health

0:32:290:32:34

care or things like that. Touching a

little bit more on Ant McPartlin, I

0:32:340:32:39

should imagine he feels embarrassed

and ashamed that maybe he has failed

0:32:390:32:43

the first time around. This is such

a powerful addiction that it doesn't

0:32:430:32:47

surprise me that is the case. I just

hope he gets the help he needs.

0:32:470:32:53

I think the main message is to talk

about it. One of the things that we

0:32:530:32:57

all hear is that people don't want

to talk about it to the GP. They

0:32:570:33:01

don't want to admit to addiction.

GPs are maybe not looking for it.

0:33:010:33:06

Get the diagnosis. Then I think

there are a number of things.

0:33:060:33:10

Sometimes people will do well with a

gradual reduction. Sometimes you

0:33:100:33:13

have to get help from NHS addiction

services, which are thinly

0:33:130:33:19

stretched. It is about admitting to

a problem first of all. There are

0:33:190:33:23

sources of help out there.

One size does not fit all.

Thank you

0:33:230:33:28

all for coming in. I want to read

this statement from the Department

0:33:280:33:31

of Health. They say it has already

become a big issue another overseas

0:33:310:33:36

countries and we are determined to

make sure it doesn't happen here.

0:33:360:33:38

When we understand the scale of the

problem, we will look at a range of

0:33:380:33:42

policy options to tackle the issue.

Thank you for coming in. After ten

0:33:420:33:48

o'clock, we will ask about the

future of ant and deck. We are keen

0:33:480:33:51

to hear your experience of

painkiller addiction.

0:33:510:33:54

-- Anton deck. Tens of thousands of

people with chronic illnesses are

0:33:540:34:02

disabilities may have been paid too

little in benefits due to an error.

0:34:020:34:07

We hear from people who think they

may have been affected.

0:34:070:34:13

Time for the latest news.

0:34:130:34:14

Here's Joanna.

0:34:140:34:16

More than a million NHS staff

are poised for a pay rise

0:34:160:34:19

with a deal that could be worth

as much as £4 billion

0:34:190:34:22

being announced by lunchtime today.

0:34:220:34:25

The BBC understands that health

bosses and unions have reached

0:34:250:34:29

an agreement that will mark an end

to a seven-year cap and boost

0:34:290:34:34

the salaries of workers including

nurses, porters and paramedics,

0:34:340:34:37

but not doctors.

0:34:370:34:38

Facebook will be questioned

by politicians in Washington today

0:34:380:34:40

as the company comes under growing

pressure to explain how data

0:34:400:34:43

from 50 million users was used

by a British Company

0:34:430:34:46

during the US presidential election.

0:34:460:34:47

It's alleged that Cambridge

Analytica used the data to target

0:34:470:34:50

voters and influence

the election outcome.

0:34:500:34:51

That company's chief executive,

Alexander Nix, has been suspended.

0:34:510:34:53

Both firms deny any wrongdoing.

0:34:530:35:01

Reports from the United States say

the suspect in a series

0:35:020:35:05

of bombings in Texas is dead

after blowing himself up.

0:35:050:35:08

Five devices have detonated so far

this month and killed two people.

0:35:080:35:11

A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted

before it exploded.

0:35:110:35:16

The amount of plastic in the ocean

could treble within a decade,

0:35:160:35:19

unless action is taken to tackle

the problem, a major

0:35:190:35:22

report has warned.

0:35:220:35:23

The Foresight Future

of the Sea Report for the UK

0:35:230:35:26

Government says plastics is just one

issue facing the world's seas,

0:35:260:35:28

along with rising sea

levels and warming oceans.

0:35:280:35:31

It also says much more knowledge

is needed about the ocean.

0:35:310:35:39

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:35:400:35:44

Thank you. You are still getting in

touch with your experiences of

0:35:440:35:50

painkiller addiction. Robin says he

is so terribly sorry for the

0:35:500:35:54

participants and their valour

experiences. -- valid. He ended up

0:35:540:35:59

at NA any last weekend. He was given

the opportunity without judgment to

0:35:590:36:05

outline his problem. Pain relief was

given without question. "I Was so

0:36:050:36:13

grateful for the common-sense

approach. I didn't have to beg and I

0:36:130:36:16

wasn't treated like an addict.

Thanks to those doctors who make a

0:36:160:36:19

good judgment call. " Share your

experiences with us throughout the

0:36:190:36:25

morning.

0:36:250:36:25

Here's some sport now with John.

0:36:250:36:29

Hello. Scotland are hoping to

qualify for next year's Cricket

0:36:290:36:33

World Cup. Beat the West Indies and

the place is theirs. They dismissed

0:36:330:36:39

Gale for naught. A short while ago

the West Indies were 116-2. England

0:36:390:36:45

captain Joel Ruud says the return of

Ben Stokes to the England team is a

0:36:450:36:49

huge boost. -- Joe Root. From

milkman to the World Cup, Nick Pope

0:36:490:36:56

will hope he can impress Gareth

Southgate in England's friendlies

0:36:560:36:59

with the Netherlands and Italy, nine

years after he was released by

0:36:590:37:05

Ipswich. And two British teams could

reach the semifinals of the

0:37:050:37:12

Champions League for the first time

if Manchester City and Chelsea can

0:37:120:37:17

come through their quarterfinal

ties, the first of which are being

0:37:170:37:20

played tonight. Some big matches to

come later.

0:37:200:37:26

That is all the sport for now.

0:37:260:37:28

Tens of thousands of people

with chronic illnesses

0:37:280:37:32

or disabilities may have been paid

too little in benefits due

0:37:320:37:34

to an error in calculating

the main sickness benefit,

0:37:340:37:37

Employment and Support Allowance.

0:37:370:37:40

Around 70,000 claimants are due

a repayment of up to £20,000

0:37:400:37:43

which could cost the government more

than £800 million.

0:37:430:37:48

Around 2.4 million people claim

Employment and Support Allowance

0:37:480:37:52

because they are unable or have

limited capacity to work.

0:37:520:37:55

We can talk to two people who think

they may have been affected.

0:37:550:37:59

Heidi Niel is on ESA,

and had been on incapacity benefit

0:37:590:38:03

after she had a massive heart

attack at 38.

0:38:030:38:08

Tracey Flynn, who lost her job

after the birth of her second

0:38:080:38:11

child because of her

chronic rheumatoid arthritis.

0:38:110:38:15

Also with us, Labour MP and member

of Parliament's Work

0:38:150:38:17

and Pensions Select Committee Neil

Coyle.

0:38:170:38:25

Thank you all for taking the time

out to speak to us. Heidi, I want to

0:38:250:38:30

start with you. I know that you have

struggled since your benefits have

0:38:300:38:35

changed. Explain in practical terms

and in day-to-day life what that has

0:38:350:38:39

meant to you?

Well, initially I had

no idea about this incapacity DSA. I

0:38:390:38:47

just got a letter to say the name

changed. Until I was notified

0:38:470:38:51

literally yesterday morning there

may be an issue, I literally had no

0:38:510:38:54

idea. They tend to fudge you with

paperwork, which grind you down

0:38:540:39:00

continuously. My benefit was then

stopped in August of this year, when

0:39:000:39:07

it switched over to Universal

Credit. And I'm now going through

0:39:070:39:10

the appeals process to get me back

onto DSA. Now I'm wondering if it

0:39:100:39:17

should be an appeals process to get

me back onto incapacity. It is so

0:39:170:39:22

hard to keep up with where you were

supposed to be. Thank heavens for

0:39:220:39:28

the Citizens Advice Bureau. I'm sure

they have been flooded with these

0:39:280:39:31

problems. Day-to-day living has been

an absolute nightmare. Wondering

0:39:310:39:35

whether I can afford to have heating

on. Basic stuff. Literally basic

0:39:350:39:39

stuff. And being told you can use

the food bank. I mean, where is that

0:39:390:39:45

normal? To me it is not.

You have

also had bailiffs around, I

0:39:450:39:51

understand?

Yes. When your benefit

is stopped, with the

0:39:510:40:00

is stopped, with the incapacity

DSA... They were trying to do it on

0:40:000:40:04

the employment and support allowance

as well. I have had to go back to

0:40:040:40:08

certificates. I had been fully

assessed and was told that I was

0:40:080:40:12

effectively permanently unfit to

work until deemed fit to work. So I

0:40:120:40:18

had to go through that again. That

has been an absolute nightmare.

I

0:40:180:40:24

want to also bring in Tracy to hear

her experiences. I know that you

0:40:240:40:29

have chronic rheumatoid arthritis. I

also know that you have got pretty

0:40:290:40:33

young children who are registered

carers. So juggling all of this must

0:40:330:40:37

be incredibly stressful for you.

It

is. And when you factor in DWP

0:40:370:40:45

involvement, it is never

straightforward. I was moved from

0:40:450:40:48

incapacity benefit to employment and

support allowance in 2011. I was

0:40:480:40:53

actually found that I had a limited

fitness to work. Despite the fact I

0:40:530:41:00

have been retired on ill-health

grounds from a government

0:41:000:41:04

department. That was from a

sedentary position. The amount of

0:41:040:41:08

treatment that I have, and the

amount of intervention by the NHS,

0:41:080:41:13

my GP, my occupational therapist, my

consultant, and the fact that my

0:41:130:41:18

rheumatoid is not particularly well

controlled, I have a suppressed

0:41:180:41:20

immune system, and the amount of

monitoring that goes on, means it's

0:41:200:41:25

very difficult for me to hold down a

job and provide effective and

0:41:250:41:29

efficient services as an employee,

which is the reason that I've lost

0:41:290:41:35

my job in the first place. I just

couldn't manage to get into work and

0:41:350:41:39

do my job.

Neil Coyle, I want to

bring you in. 70,000 claimants here

0:41:390:41:47

could be looking at a huge payment

of Ulster £20,000. The average

0:41:470:41:54

amount we understand will be £5,000.

How on earth are we got in this

0:41:540:41:58

position?

0:41:580:42:03

position?

Sadly, disability UK

described it as a shambolic

0:42:030:42:07

catalogue of errors. The Department

for Work and Pensions, back in 2014,

0:42:070:42:11

when this problem was first

identified, four years ago, it could

0:42:110:42:15

have been dealt with at the time.

But it has been completely

0:42:150:42:20

overstretched and under resourced.

The coalition government axed

0:42:200:42:23

thousands of civil servants and left

those remaining are unable to make

0:42:230:42:26

the decisions properly. We've got an

assessment process the government

0:42:260:42:31

pays millions of pounds to

administer. It is failing disabled

0:42:310:42:36

people routinely. We have had

Universal Credit with its problems,

0:42:360:42:42

Personal Independent Payment is,

whether urban lot of problems. Now

0:42:420:42:46

that we know that employment and

support allowance, which only helps

0:42:460:42:49

disabled people, we now know there

were these 70,000 disabled people

0:42:490:42:53

who are owed at least £2500. The

government really needs to apologise

0:42:530:42:59

and do it very quickly and make

these payments, make these back

0:42:590:43:03

payments as quickly as possible.

The

Department for Work and Pensions say

0:43:030:43:08

they will not comment on individuals

but say they are well under way with

0:43:080:43:12

the plan to identify and repay

people affected. Payments have

0:43:120:43:16

already started. "We Are committed

to making sure people get what they

0:43:160:43:20

are entitled to as quickly as

possible. Everybody who could be

0:43:200:43:23

affected will be contacted directly

by the Department." Heidi, what

0:43:230:43:28

difference would it make if you had

some money that came in, that was an

0:43:280:43:35

average of £5,000? What difference

would that make your life?

Obviously

0:43:350:43:38

in the media didn't help me pay off

the debts that are now spiralling

0:43:380:43:42

out of control. The more the money

is not back in the... Without some

0:43:420:43:51

sort of regular structure, which is

what they had before, yes OK, it

0:43:510:43:55

wasn't a brilliant amount, but I had

worked out budgetary wise. Even if I

0:43:550:44:00

could just get back to that state,

initially, yes it would help me pay

0:44:000:44:04

off some debts. But literally the

whole system needs to be looked at.

0:44:040:44:12

What is the saying, if it ain't

broke, don't fix it. Everything as

0:44:120:44:15

far as I was concerned was OK. I was

living not comfortably, not a

0:44:150:44:22

luxurious life, but I had it all

under control. They keep changing

0:44:220:44:26

the goal post and it has thrown

everybody into a tailspin,

0:44:260:44:30

depression, suicide. It's just

awful. I wouldn't wish this on my

0:44:300:44:32

worst enemy, literally.

Heidi, thank you for sharing your

0:44:320:44:37

story. Thank you to Tracy and Neil

Coyle first begin to us as well.

0:44:370:44:45

America is good at electing

celebrities into office. Six and the

0:44:480:44:53

city star Cynthia Nixon, who played

Miranda Hobbes in the series, is

0:44:530:44:56

hoping to get in the act. Is

launching a bid to get elected for

0:44:560:45:02

the Democrats.

She held an election rally

0:45:020:45:03

overnight.

0:45:030:45:06

New York is where I was was raised

and where I'm raising my kids.

0:45:230:45:30

And to the thousands

of you standing in this square

0:45:570:45:59

participating in history...

0:45:590:46:02

The Cambridge psychologist who

created an apt to harvest the

0:46:270:46:30

personal data of millions of

Facebook users has insisted he is

0:46:300:46:33

done nothing wrong, it was claimed

the information was used without

0:46:330:46:38

permission to persuade people to

vote for Donald Trump in the US

0:46:380:46:40

elections. Doctor Alexander Kogan

has been speaking to Radio 4.

I am

0:46:400:46:47

stunned by most of this, it has

never been my understanding. The

0:46:470:46:52

events of the past week have been a

total shell shock. My view is that

0:46:520:46:57

I'm being used as a scapegoat by

Facebook and Cambridge Analytica

0:46:570:47:03

when honestly we thought we were

acting perfectly appropriately, we

0:47:030:47:06

thought we were doing something

normal and we were assured by

0:47:060:47:13

Cambridge Analytica that everything

was legal in terms of the terms of

0:47:130:47:16

service.

Cambridge Analytica, the

London based firm that has been

0:47:160:47:22

accused of harvesting Facebook

information for political clients,

0:47:220:47:24

has suspended its chief executive.

It said comments made by Alexander

0:47:240:47:30

Nix to an undercover reporter do not

reflect its values. The undercover

0:47:300:47:33

investigation showed Alexander Nix

boasting he had met Donald Trump

0:47:330:47:39

many times.

0:47:390:47:45

Facebook has been used by political

parties and campaign groups

0:47:530:47:57

for over a decade now to try

and spread their message

0:47:570:47:59

and win over supporters.

0:47:590:48:00

When does legitimate

campaigning become unethical

0:48:000:48:04

and potentially illegal?

0:48:040:48:07

James McGrory is the executive

director of Open Britain, a

0:48:070:48:10

pro-EU campaign group.

0:48:100:48:11

He was the head of press

for the Stronger In campaign group

0:48:110:48:14

during the Brexit referendum

who argued that the UK

0:48:140:48:16

should stay In the EU.

0:48:160:48:24

What are the kinds of conversations

that take place in political parties

0:48:240:48:28

about the use of this kind of data?

First and foremost it had to be

0:48:280:48:33

legal for the big companies like

Facebook and political parties as

0:48:330:48:38

well as businesses and media

organisations hold a lot of data

0:48:380:48:40

about people and that's not a bad

thing necessary as long as it has

0:48:400:48:44

been got hold of correctly and used

correctly. There are legitimate and

0:48:440:48:50

good uses of social media

campaigning amongst political

0:48:500:48:52

parties. People say politics is too

distant, so go where people are, to

0:48:520:48:59

Facebook and Twitter and Instagram.

What you had to be sure about it

0:48:590:49:02

that you are gathering the data

correctly and using it correctly.

0:49:020:49:06

And that people know you have their

data.

When you sign up you are clear

0:49:060:49:11

about what your data will and will

not be used for and while I do not

0:49:110:49:15

know every in and out of what has

gone on, that appears to be the most

0:49:150:49:18

serious allegation, that data has

been so-called scraped without not

0:49:180:49:23

only the consent of the users but

the consent of many friends and

0:49:230:49:27

family. That seems to be an

appalling use of data. However, the

0:49:270:49:33

idea that you go on Facebook and you

say you are interested in the EU as

0:49:330:49:38

an issue or the environment, why

shouldn't political partisan

0:49:380:49:42

campaigns say, we have an advert and

a policy we think you're interested

0:49:420:49:47

in and target that advert.

Is it

ethical?

I don't see why not also if

0:49:470:49:55

you give your details to Facebook

and their clear in that example

0:49:550:49:59

about what your data is and is not

used for, you can get an advert from

0:49:590:50:04

a political party or campaign and

you can click on that, and it will

0:50:040:50:10

take you are seeing this advert

because this group of people want

0:50:100:50:12

you to see it because you are

interested in the environment. If

0:50:120:50:15

you don't want to see any more,

click here. Not every political

0:50:150:50:20

party or campaign or business is

going to be able to get the right at

0:50:200:50:24

that at the right person all the

time but they want to advertise. At

0:50:240:50:27

the same time you should be able to

say, I don't want to see this any

0:50:270:50:30

more. It is about the rules and

transparency with which you operate.

0:50:300:50:34

In my opinion there is nothing wrong

with political campaigns like any

0:50:340:50:38

business or any group of people

wanting to talk to people on social

0:50:380:50:41

media.

I wonder if people on social

media as they did over those

0:50:410:50:46

details, even if it is obvious, who

read the terms and conditions? Is it

0:50:460:50:50

fair when people are giving over

that information that it gets used

0:50:500:50:53

by political parties because they

might not realise it.

There is a big

0:50:530:50:59

distinction to make it is not

necessarily used by political

0:50:590:51:02

parties...

It is used to target.

It

is used to target by Facebook.

You

0:51:020:51:08

have never used it within political

campaigning information you had to

0:51:080:51:13

target particular voters?

You can do

that as well, it is nothing new.

0:51:130:51:17

Political parties even before

Facebook were delivering Leaf books

0:51:170:51:20

to people that were different in one

area to another, people are

0:51:200:51:25

interested in their local

communities. If you have a young

0:51:250:51:28

family you might have interest in

child care or shared parental leave

0:51:280:51:31

and someone who did not a family

might not be interested in that.

0:51:310:51:35

People say that politics is too

distant. There is merit in that also

0:51:350:51:40

we can't say at the same time that

we cannot allow political partisan

0:51:400:51:43

campaigns to talk to people about

the issues that we know matter to

0:51:430:51:47

them. That is part and parcel of

politics whether on the doorstep or

0:51:470:51:52

on an app on your phone. While there

are serious questions to answer in

0:51:520:51:58

this, we have to be careful about

throwing the baby out with the bath

0:51:580:52:02

water and saying that all political

campaigning online, as long as it is

0:52:020:52:09

done appropriately and transparency

and people can unsubscribe from all

0:52:090:52:11

of the things that people should do

and by and large do do, it can be a

0:52:110:52:15

force for good.

Thank you for coming

in.

0:52:150:52:17

The hashtag DeleteFacebook

has been trending

0:52:170:52:19

for the last 24 hours in protest

at the company's data

0:52:190:52:22

and privacy policies.

0:52:220:52:23

Let's speak to two people who have

deleted their accounts.

0:52:230:52:25

James Giblin, who's been on Facebook

for ten years and is

0:52:250:52:28

training to be a teacher.

0:52:280:52:29

And Eva Dull, who's

been on it nine years

0:52:290:52:31

and works in marketing.

0:52:310:52:34

Is it a knee jerk reaction or had

you thinking about getting off it

0:52:370:52:40

for a while?

I have been thinking

about it for a while. This kind of

0:52:400:52:46

thing has been common knowledge

among people for a while, data

0:52:460:52:51

breaches and stuff like that. And on

the back of the Twitter campaign, I

0:52:510:52:57

thought it was something to get

behind to finally push Facebook into

0:52:570:53:01

the past.

What about you, Eva, why

did you decide to the league now?

I

0:53:010:53:07

have been thought about deleting for

two or three years. I think when

0:53:070:53:14

Facebook became a bit frustrating,

not sure if they ran ads before it

0:53:140:53:19

is well, but it was two and a half

years ago when it started

0:53:190:53:24

frustrating the. I started using it

less and less. I have not really

0:53:240:53:29

posted anything in about a year. So

I think this was kind of like what

0:53:290:53:37

pushed me over the edge and I said,

I don't actually get anything out of

0:53:370:53:42

it.

In that sense is it about trust

or saying that I'm done?

I think I

0:53:420:53:55

kind of doubted the trust issue a

while ago because I have been

0:53:550:53:58

expecting some kind of a story like

this to break for some time. I have

0:53:580:54:03

been following Cambridge Analytica

for just over a year. And I think

0:54:030:54:11

this was kind of the final straw but

at the same time I feel...

It looks

0:54:110:54:19

like we have lost the line with Eva.

We can bring in James again. Do you

0:54:190:54:26

think we are a bit naive in what we

share on Facebook? It is free to

0:54:260:54:32

use, they will want something out

the deal, something back, and

0:54:320:54:38

ultimately that is our information.

I understand that but a lot of users

0:54:380:54:44

might be over 50 and not really

familiar with how the internet works

0:54:440:54:49

and how Facebook works as a

platform. Nobody is given a crash

0:54:490:54:54

course in how to use the platform.

They might be naive in the sense

0:54:540:54:58

that they might share personal

information like bank details to the

0:54:580:55:03

partners and they are not aware of

where the data has been stored or

0:55:030:55:08

what it is being used for and things

like that.

Thank you for joining us

0:55:080:55:12

this morning and explaining why you

are deleting Facebook. More on the

0:55:120:55:17

breaking news we brought you

earlier, reports from Texas that a

0:55:170:55:21

suspected serial bomber has died

after being pursued by police. Some

0:55:210:55:27

reports say he blew himself up. It

follows a series of parcel bomb

0:55:270:55:31

attacks in the city of Austin where

to Maccabi blabbing killed and

0:55:310:55:35

several injured. Our correspondent

can tell us more -- where two people

0:55:350:55:41

have been killed.

The breakthrough

happened yesterday where there were

0:55:410:55:46

two devices found at two separate

FedEx facilities, one look up and

0:55:460:55:51

one did not. They were able to get

DNA from that and also CCTV footage

0:55:510:55:57

of a suspect. They released an image

of the suspect in a cap and it

0:55:570:56:02

appears this morning that they were

able to locate the suspect at a

0:56:020:56:07

hotel outside Austin. They blocked

off Interstate 35, a highway, and

0:56:070:56:14

they were pursuing him and it

appears he blew himself up. An

0:56:140:56:20

eyewitness was at home when he heard

police sirens.

They were close to

0:56:200:56:24

the woods and obviously the cops saw

us and they approached us. I don't

0:56:240:56:30

know who it was, they were in

military gear. They asked us to

0:56:300:56:35

leave.

You know that the Austin

bombing suspect is dead?

Is he

0:56:350:56:41

really?

We were able to confirm

that.

We can go live to Texas where

0:56:410:56:47

police are giving a briefing.

About

the level of partnership that has

0:56:470:56:53

taken place with our federal

officials, our local officials and

0:56:530:56:57

police department to bring this to

an end. And through all of this hard

0:56:570:57:04

work, we identified several leads

throughout the course of the week 's

0:57:040:57:11

but beginning within the past 24-36

hours a week started getting

0:57:110:57:16

information on one person of

interest that we continue to work on

0:57:160:57:20

and continued to develop and as we

continued to do our investigations,

0:57:200:57:25

this person of interest ultimately

moved to being a suspect and that is

0:57:250:57:31

what we started focusing on, his

involvement in these crimes. Late

0:57:310:57:35

last night and early this morning we

felt very confident that this was

0:57:350:57:40

the suspect in the bombing incidents

that took place in Austin. We had

0:57:400:57:47

surveillance teams looking for the

suspect and we ultimately located

0:57:470:57:53

the vehicle that this suspect was

known to be driving and witnesses

0:57:530:57:58

told us he was driving and in fact

we found that at a hotel right up

0:57:580:58:02

the road here. We had multiple

officers from both the police

0:58:020:58:08

department and our federal partners

that took up the dishes around the

0:58:080:58:14

hotel awaiting the arrival of our

tactical teams because we wanted to

0:58:140:58:20

have ballistic vehicles here so we

could attempt to take this suspect

0:58:200:58:24

into custody as safely as possible.

While we were waiting for those

0:58:240:58:28

vehicles to get here, much time had

passed and the vehicle started to

0:58:280:58:33

drive away. We began following the

vehicle, again, waiting to get the

0:58:330:58:42

tactical vehicles here so we could

make a stop. However, the vehicle

0:58:420:58:46

ended up stopping in the ditch at

the side of the road behind us. As

0:58:460:58:53

members of the Austin police

Department SWAT team approached the

0:58:530:58:57

vehicle, the suspect detonated a

bomb inside the vehicle, knocking

0:58:570:59:03

one of our SWAT officers back and

one of them fired at the suspect as

0:59:030:59:08

well. The suspect is deceased and

has significant injuries from a

0:59:080:59:15

blast that occurred from detonating

a bomb inside his vehicle. We cannot

0:59:150:59:21

name the suspect at this time

because he has not been positively

0:59:210:59:25

identified yet by the medical

examiner and next of kin have not

0:59:250:59:30

yet been notified.

That is a live

press conference from Austin Texas

0:59:300:59:34

with police giving us an update on

the suspect linked to the parcel

0:59:340:59:42

bomb attacks, giving the status of

his death in the early hours of this

0:59:420:59:46

morning. We will bring you updates

on that in the programme. That get

0:59:460:59:50

the latest weather now.

0:59:500:59:51

It has been a chilly start for many,

some lovely pictures coming in, some

0:59:530:59:58

frost on the ground and sunshine to

start the day as well. The sunshine

0:59:581:00:03

some of us have will turn hazier

through the day and that is because

1:00:031:00:07

we have a weather front which

continues its journey moving

1:00:071:00:11

south-eastward and taking the cloud

with it as it does and some will

1:00:111:00:15

have some patchy rain and drizzle.

It will be mild, the cloud in

1:00:151:00:21

Scotland, Northern Ireland and

England, colder in the South so we

1:00:211:00:26

have the blues and even today later

on and tomorrow, most of us will

1:00:261:00:33

have milder conditions. The bright

sunny skies across England and Wales

1:00:331:00:37

will be replaced by hazier skies,

again some patchy light rain and

1:00:371:00:41

drizzle, mostly across northern

England and Wales. Still some

1:00:411:00:46

showery outbreaks in Scotland behind

the main weather front. We could see

1:00:461:00:53

12 Celsius this afternoon in

Scotland and we have not had that

1:00:531:00:54

for some time. Further south, 7-11d.

This evening and overnight the

1:00:541:01:01

weather front continues to move

south eastwards, taking the rain

1:01:011:01:07

with it, and the showery outbreaks

continue in western Scotland. In

1:01:071:01:11

between with clearer skies, some

patchy mist and fog. Not many

1:01:111:01:16

problems with frost because

temperatures compared to this

1:01:161:01:18

morning are much higher also this

morning it was freezing or below but

1:01:181:01:25

tomorrow it is 5-7d for that if

there is any the likelihood it will

1:01:251:01:29

be part of Wales and south-west

England. Heading through the morning

1:01:291:01:35

tomorrow, we will lose any patchy

mist and fog and it will brighten up

1:01:351:01:41

nicely with sunshine but like today

the cloud will build on the west,

1:01:411:01:45

turning the sunshine in Haiti ahead

of this weather front which will

1:01:451:01:47

bring some more substantial rain and

windier conditions. Temperatures

1:01:471:01:52

still in good shape, 10-12, a bit

cool in Lerwick. This fund will move

1:01:521:02:01

from West to east through the

evening and overnight -- with this

1:02:011:02:05

front. On Friday morning it will

continue, claiming eastern Scotland

1:02:051:02:11

and England but if you follow it

around you can see the other end in

1:02:111:02:15

the north and west of Scotland with

some hill snow possible. This next

1:02:151:02:20

band of rain is coming in from the

south-west. The extent of it is

1:02:201:02:26

questionable but still a bad -- a

good day.

1:02:261:02:32

Hello it's Wednesday,

it's 10 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley

1:02:321:02:34

in for Victoria Derbyshire.

1:02:341:02:36

Our top story today -

after years of a 1% pay cap,

1:02:361:02:39

the government is expected

to announce a significant pay

1:02:391:02:41

increase for NHS staff

in England, apart from doctors

1:02:411:02:47

Staffing issues have to be

addressed, vacancies have to be

1:02:471:02:51

addressed. The whole issue of using

agencies sat -- staff on double

1:02:511:02:57

shifts has to be addressed. In that

context it is significant that the

1:02:571:03:01

pay award has been made.

1:03:011:03:02

If you work for the NHS, do get

in touch and tell us your reaction.

1:03:021:03:05

Plus - there's been a huge rise

in the number of women

1:03:051:03:08

using donated eggs to get pregnant.

1:03:081:03:14

You get married and then your

friends have kids and it's just not

1:03:141:03:18

happening to you. It suddenly

becomes the most important thing in

1:03:181:03:21

your life.

The only thing you can focus on.

1:03:211:03:25

We'll be talking live to a woman

who's donated her eggs four times,

1:03:251:03:28

and another women who's had a child

thanks to a donation

1:03:281:03:30

of an egg from her friend.

1:03:301:03:33

And what next for the

future of Ant and Dec?

1:03:331:03:37

We'll look at what impact Ant's

arrest on suspicion of drink-driving

1:03:371:03:40

will have on the pair's many

successful TV programmes.

1:03:401:03:43

Good morning.

1:03:481:03:54

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

1:03:541:03:57

Good morning.

1:03:571:03:58

More than a million NHS staff

are poised for a pay rise,

1:03:581:04:01

with a deal that could be worth

as much as £4 billion

1:04:011:04:03

being announced by lunchtime today.

1:04:031:04:05

The BBC understands that health

bosses and unions have

1:04:051:04:07

reached an agreement that will mark

an end to a seven-year cap

1:04:071:04:10

and boost the salaries

of workers including nurses,

1:04:101:04:12

porters and paramedics -

but not doctors.

1:04:121:04:17

Facebook will be questioned by

politicians in Washington today, as

1:04:171:04:20

the company comes under growing

pressure to explain how data was

1:04:201:04:25

used by a British company during the

British general election. It is

1:04:251:04:33

alleged the data was used to

influence the income. Both firms

1:04:331:04:39

deny any wrongdoing.

1:04:391:04:41

Reports from the United States say

the suspect in a series of bombings

1:04:411:04:45

in Texas has died,

after blowing himself up.

1:04:451:04:47

Five devices have detonated

so far this month,

1:04:471:04:48

and killed two people.

1:04:481:04:49

A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted

before it exploded.

1:04:491:04:56

As members of the Austin police

Department SWAT team approached the

1:04:561:05:02

vehicle, the suspect detonated a

bomb inside the vehicle, knocking

1:05:021:05:05

one of our SWAT officers back. One

of our SWAT officers fired at the

1:05:051:05:12

suspect as well. The suspect is

deceased and has significant

1:05:121:05:17

injuries from a blast that occurred

from detonating a bomb inside his

1:05:171:05:20

vehicle.

1:05:201:05:21

Unemployment rose by

24,000 to 1.45 million

1:05:211:05:23

in the three months to January.

1:05:231:05:26

It was the second month in a row

to show an increase.

1:05:261:05:29

However, the rate of

unemployment was down

1:05:291:05:31

slightly, from 4.4% to 4.3%.

1:05:311:05:32

Average earnings including bonuses

rose by 2.8% in the same period.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30.

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Thank you very much. Let me read you

some of the comments people are

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getting in touch with us about

painkillers. We were talking about

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how easily -- two guests were

talking about how easy it was for

1:05:541:06:01

them to become addicted. David has

been taking painkillers for 20

1:06:011:06:04

years. Last month he was rushed into

hospital with his stomach bleeding.

1:06:041:06:09

He had blood transfusions, lost two

stone in weight and is now having

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injections every three months. Simon

has got in touch, saying in a bully

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went to three different doctors in

five days with horrendous back pain

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and was giving increasing amounts of

painkillers. He was paralysed from

1:06:201:06:26

the waist down with the loss of

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Let me bring you this breaking news

which we are getting from Nigeria.

1:06:411:06:47

Boko Haram militants have released

76 of the 110 schoolgirls were

1:06:471:06:52

abducted from the north-eastern town

of Duchy back in February. Very

1:06:521:06:55

similar to the Chibok girls many

years ago. The government said this

1:06:551:07:02

in a statement this morning. The

information minister said 76 had so

1:07:021:07:08

far been documented and they are

adding details of that throughout

1:07:081:07:12

the morning. As we get more details,

we will bring it to you. Good news

1:07:121:07:18

coming from Nigeria. 76 schoolgirls

abducted in north-eastern Nigeria

1:07:181:07:22

have been released. Now the sport

with John. Good morning. A place at

1:07:221:07:27

the Cricket World Cup hangs in the

balance for Scotland. A victory over

1:07:271:07:30

the West Indies and a place at the

tournament next year in England and

1:07:301:07:34

Wales is theirs. They made the best

possible start. Chris Gale went with

1:07:341:07:41

the first ball of the day. The

Windies 2-2 at that stage. Did

1:07:411:07:47

recover. Lewis made 50 from 63

balls. He went. Then the key wicket

1:07:471:07:55

of Samuels followed. He was caught

in the deep. Scotland have made

1:07:551:08:01

another breakthrough. A short while

ago 135-5, the West Indies. Going

1:08:011:08:08

well in Zimbabwe with the world Cup

spot in Scotland's reach. For

1:08:081:08:13

England, immediate thoughts turn to

their two test series with New

1:08:131:08:19

Zealand. Ben Stokes is set to

return. Captain Joel Ruud says he is

1:08:191:08:23

a 31 player. And that Stokes is

itching to get back. -- Joe Root.

1:08:231:08:35

Coming back into high-intensity

cricket, having spent a lot of time

1:08:351:08:37

out of the game, and managing it

quite shrewdly, has been really

1:08:371:08:45

mature of him, actually. He is

someone who likes to do things at

1:08:451:08:49

150 million mph all the time. You

can see the maturity starting to

1:08:491:08:55

show through a bit more. That is

only a good thing for us moving

1:08:551:08:59

forward.

The football World Cup is

85 days away and the battle for

1:08:591:09:04

places is hotting up for England, in

particular in goal. Nick Pope was

1:09:041:09:09

working as a milkman nine years ago

having been released by Ipswich

1:09:091:09:13

Town. Now he is battling it out for

the number one spot in the England

1:09:131:09:17

squad. His story is pretty

impressive. Having been released at

1:09:171:09:24

16, he had spelt outside before

bully before joining Burnley. He

1:09:241:09:27

only got his chance this is season

because of an injury to Tom Heaton.

1:09:271:09:32

He has been rewarded with an England

call-up and could make his

1:09:321:09:36

international debut in the

forthcoming friendlies with the

1:09:361:09:39

Netherlands and Italy. If you are

questioning a fee is the right pick

1:09:391:09:43

for the World Cup, he says he is a

safe pair of hands having never

1:09:431:09:46

dropped a bottle on Isobel Grant. --

on his milk round.

No, I was clean!

1:09:461:09:55

I were on a float. Electric.

What is

the best thing about being an

1:09:551:10:00

England player?

Can I call myself

that if I have not played? OK! I

1:10:001:10:07

think it's just the honour, really.

Obviously the moment from Thursday,

1:10:071:10:15

being around people who've been

there from the start, people who

1:10:151:10:19

have travelled the journey with me,

to share with them was something I

1:10:191:10:22

will never forget.

We wonder if that story will

1:10:221:10:27

continue, of course. It would be

pretty impressive if he does get

1:10:271:10:32

selected for those friendlies. Lots

of competition. The women's

1:10:321:10:38

Champions League continues tonight.

Manchester City and Chelsea in

1:10:381:10:39

action. City host Linkopings. In the

WS -- WSL they are second behind

1:10:391:10:49

Chelsea, who play Montpellier

tonight. If both teams progress, it

1:10:491:10:52

would be the first time to British

clubs have reached the semifinals of

1:10:521:10:56

the competition.

We have done our homework on them

1:10:561:11:01

and we know they are a really good

team. They have dominated Swedish

1:11:011:11:05

football for a while. It will be a

big game. Tough opponents. It will

1:11:051:11:09

be nice to have a home game. We

played a wafer about ten games in a

1:11:091:11:13

row. It has been hard put to the

home support, we have great

1:11:131:11:18

supporters, great fans, and we love

having them at home.

1:11:181:11:21

Yeah, excited. Just one of two big

games later.

1:11:211:11:24

Now back to you. Let me bring you

this news. Pope Francis is going to

1:11:241:11:32

visit Ireland for six days in

August. That news just reaching us.

1:11:321:11:36

He will head to Ireland for six days

this summer.

1:11:361:11:44

The number

of women using donated eggs to try

1:11:441:11:47

and get pregnant has risen sharply

in the past 10 years,

1:11:471:11:49

latest figures show.

1:11:491:11:50

In 2006, 1,912 women had

IVF using a donor egg

1:11:501:11:53

instead of their own -

by 2016 that had risen 59% to 3,924.

1:11:531:11:58

The Human Fertilisation

and Embryology Authority say

1:11:581:12:00

the rise is down to a greater

awareness of donation

1:12:001:12:06

as an option, more donors,

and more same sex couples,

1:12:061:12:12

single and older women using them -

as well as a rise in the number

1:12:121:12:15

of women donating their eggs.

1:12:151:12:16

BBC Look North reporter

Ali Fortescue has spent time

1:12:161:12:19

with two women who have gone

through both sides

1:12:191:12:22

of the process.

1:12:221:12:25

It is the greatest gift that any

woman can give to another.

1:12:291:12:34

It can be a lifelong commitment,

but really, it's a drop in the ocean

1:12:341:12:38

compared to what the couples have

to go through to make

1:12:381:12:40

their baby possible.

1:12:401:12:44

The road to parenthood

isn't always easy.

1:12:441:12:50

In her late 30s, Amanda was told

she could not have children.

1:12:501:12:53

But six years and four

rounds of IVF later,

1:12:531:12:55

thanks to an egg donor,

Amanda has given birth

1:12:551:12:57

to her son, Max.

1:12:571:13:02

I had him when I was 44

so I was a really late starter.

1:13:021:13:06

Not for want of trying,

because we tried for about five

1:13:061:13:09

years to have a baby naturally,

and it was not until we went down

1:13:091:13:12

the IVF route that we found out

that it was never going to happen

1:13:121:13:15

for us.

1:13:151:13:16

Which, as you can imagine,

was devastating.

1:13:161:13:20

I just think it's something

that people expect.

1:13:201:13:24

It's something you expect

will happen at some point.

1:13:241:13:26

I was never broody but when you get

married and then your friends have

1:13:261:13:31

kids and it's just not happening

to you, it suddenly becomes the most

1:13:311:13:34

important thing in your life.

1:13:341:13:37

The only thing that

you can focus on.

1:13:371:13:39

For somebody to be able to give that

gift to another woman,

1:13:391:13:43

it's such a selfless act.

1:13:431:13:48

It's like the ultimate selfless act

that a woman can do is,

1:13:481:13:51

she's made my family.

1:13:511:13:52

She's made me a family.

1:13:521:13:54

It's amazing.

1:13:541:13:55

It's something that

people take for granted.

1:13:551:13:57

It's something that I've

tried so hard to achieve

1:13:571:14:00

and it is my greatest

achievement, having him.

1:14:001:14:04

But Amanda's story isn't unique.

1:14:041:14:07

The number of women having children

over 40 is at its highest

1:14:071:14:11

level for 70 years.

1:14:111:14:12

And more than half of those over

the age of 45 having

1:14:121:14:16

IVF use donated eggs,

which may explain the rise

1:14:161:14:18

of nearly 60% in the number of women

using donor eggs for IVF since 2011.

1:14:181:14:26

Meet Cathy, another mother,

expecting her third child.

1:14:271:14:30

But before starting a family

of her own, she donated eggs five

1:14:301:14:35

times to families that

she'd never met.

1:14:351:14:39

Somebody in my family had been

struggling with infertility for many

1:14:391:14:42

years, and I'd had a close friend

who had had multiple

1:14:421:14:45

miscarriages, so there was nothing

I could do to help either of those

1:14:451:14:48

friends and family members,

1:14:481:14:49

but it was quite frustrating

watching them go through this

1:14:491:14:52

heartbreaking journey,

and then there was a really kind

1:14:521:14:54

of straightforward way for me

to help other couples

1:14:541:14:56

who were going through fertility

battles of their own.

1:14:561:15:01

What was the actual process

like of donating your eggs?

1:15:011:15:03

It was quite straightforward really.

1:15:031:15:05

I just had some tests

and they all came back fine.

1:15:051:15:08

It was a case of matching my

menstrual cycle with the couple

1:15:081:15:11

I was helping, and then

it was about two weeks of taking

1:15:111:15:14

drugs and having eggs

collected at the end of that.

1:15:141:15:18

A lot of people think that

because you are doing the first half

1:15:181:15:21

of an IVF cycle it's very

gruelling on the body,

1:15:211:15:23

pumping yourself full of hormones,

but I think for a couple

1:15:231:15:26

going through IVF themselves, yes,

it's a gruelling process,

1:15:261:15:29

because hormones can

send you a bit doolally.

1:15:291:15:33

But when you are an egg donor,

you have got a vested interest

1:15:331:15:36

in helping somebody,

and usually it's a couple

1:15:361:15:38

you don't even know.

1:15:381:15:41

But at the end of the day,

if it doesn't work out,

1:15:411:15:44

then you have still tried to help.

1:15:441:15:45

I don't think it's nearly

as hard being an egg donor

1:15:451:15:48

and going through an IVF cycle

as it is being a couple

1:15:481:15:51

and desperately wanting a child.

1:15:511:15:55

Do you ever find it strange that

in a sense, some of your children

1:15:551:15:59

are out there and you don't

really know them?

1:15:591:16:03

I don't see it like that at all.

1:16:031:16:05

I did most of my cycles in my 20s

and 30s when I was mostly single,

1:16:051:16:09

and really for me, each month

I was going to be losing an egg,

1:16:091:16:13

I wasn't going to be doing

anything with that egg

1:16:131:16:15

at so it was going to be a waste.

1:16:151:16:17

It wasn't like I looked down

the toilet I thought,

1:16:171:16:20

that's a potential child

I've flushed away.

1:16:201:16:21

So I think, for me,

what I was giving was something

1:16:211:16:24

I wasn't using in my own life.

1:16:241:16:27

Whereas if you give blood,

if I give a pint of blood,

1:16:271:16:29

then I feel it for a few days

because that is something I do need

1:16:291:16:33

in my body and I will

replicate it again.

1:16:331:16:35

I didn't feel like I was giving

anything away that I was

1:16:351:16:38

going to use for myself.

1:16:381:16:39

So why do women donate their eggs?

1:16:391:16:42

With nothing beyond £750

compensation, it is thought many do

1:16:421:16:44

it as a simple gesture of goodwill.

1:16:441:16:49

People who receive eggs are amazed

that other women want to give them,

1:16:491:16:52

but that is because at the end

of their process they get this

1:16:521:16:55

amazing baby, but for somebody who's

giving eggs, it's...

1:16:551:17:02

I mean, it's an involved process and

it's a commitment, and obviously,

1:17:021:17:05

it can be a lifelong commitment.

1:17:051:17:07

But really, it's a drop

in the ocean compared

1:17:071:17:09

to what the couples have

to go through to make

1:17:091:17:11

their babies possible.

1:17:111:17:12

Donor children are allowed

to contact their biological parent

1:17:121:17:18

at 18, but knowing Max isn't born

from her egg has never

1:17:181:17:20

bothered Amanda.

1:17:201:17:21

It takes more than

genetics to be a mum.

1:17:211:17:24

I carried him, I nurtured him,

I have given birth to him.

1:17:241:17:27

I'm the one who gets up

in the middle of the night.

1:17:271:17:29

He's my son.

1:17:291:17:31

The hope is that more donor eggs

will mean more families like this

1:17:311:17:34

and more men and women given

a chance to become a parent.

1:17:341:17:41

Joining us now, Sapphire Fielding

who has donated her eggs four times.

1:17:461:17:48

She also has four

children of her own.

1:17:481:17:55

As is Maxine, who received an egg

donation from a friend when she

1:17:551:17:58

had problems with conceiving.

1:17:581:17:59

She now has a four-year-old

son called Jake.

1:17:591:18:01

Thank you for speaking to us.

Sapphire, what made you want to

1:18:011:18:06

donate your eggs not just once but

four times?

When I had people in my

1:18:061:18:14

life who have struggled with

infertility, I'm a blood donor and a

1:18:141:18:21

marrow donor and it seemed like I

could help these people who were

1:18:211:18:27

like the people in my life. So I

went looking for a way of going

1:18:271:18:31

about it. And they made such a

magical process. You know it is a

1:18:311:18:40

good thing that you're doing but

hearing stories of people who have

1:18:401:18:44

struggled with infertility that are

not close to you, if you could

1:18:441:18:49

bottle the feeling from egg

donation, it is a magical, warm

1:18:491:18:55

feeling. Knowing you are help

somebody create what I already have

1:18:551:19:02

with Mike four children, I would

wish it for everybody if I could. --

1:19:021:19:07

my four children.

And it was your

chance to have your little boy?

It

1:19:071:19:11

was, I started my IVF treatment just

before I was 40. I had been pregnant

1:19:111:19:20

naturally a couple of times and

unfortunately resulted in

1:19:201:19:25

difficulties. That was the previous,

I had the ectopic pregnancy. I met

1:19:251:19:34

my partner and want to start a

family and nothing was happening so

1:19:341:19:38

we went to the GP and got referred

and I was told I needed donor eggs.

1:19:381:19:45

At the time I was pregnant naturally

but did not know that at the time

1:19:451:19:48

and that resulted in an ectopic

pregnancy again so I had to go down

1:19:481:19:54

the donation route.

And you got a

friend to donate an egg?

I did, a

1:19:541:20:01

close family friend donated for me.

Several people had offered

1:20:011:20:08

previously but change their mind and

that is absolutely fine. It is

1:20:081:20:12

amazing thing for somebody to even

offer to do. We went down the IDF

1:20:121:20:18

process and we just got the one

legged -- IVF. That resulted in my

1:20:181:20:25

little boy, Jake.

He is gorgeous! A

lot of people watching will have a

1:20:251:20:31

million questions to both of you

about the process and going forward

1:20:311:20:35

what it means. You have given an

incredible gift to four people and

1:20:351:20:40

you have your little boy and nobody

would argue with that. Sapphire, do

1:20:401:20:45

you ever think, I have four of my

own children but there are four them

1:20:451:20:49

there and I don't know them, who

they are and where they are?

No

1:20:491:20:57

because I haven't given birth to

that child. The way I look at what I

1:20:571:21:02

have donated, I have given somebody

a seed and that's it. I don't know

1:21:021:21:07

chit, help it grow from feel every

movement inside, I am just giving

1:21:071:21:17

that away. Although biologically we

are kind of connected, that child

1:21:171:21:23

has nothing really to do with me,

that is a mum's job to be the month.

1:21:231:21:28

I don't look at it as I have a child

somewhere else, that is not how it

1:21:281:21:34

feels and how it is. It is somebody

else's child and I helped with the

1:21:341:21:39

DNA also when they

1:21:391:21:40

-- when the child turns 18, do they

have rights to know who you are? You

1:21:441:21:52

can write a letter before you donate

your eggs and give a description

1:21:521:21:57

about yourself and why you wanted to

donate. They are allowed to read

1:21:571:22:00

that at 18. I suppose they could

come and look for you, but the way

1:22:001:22:08

that a child born through egg

donation, they are always brought up

1:22:081:22:12

knowing that this is such a normal

part of them, this is how they were

1:22:121:22:16

made, I can't see them looking for a

part of DNA because that's their

1:22:161:22:23

mum. I'm nothing to do with that, I

am literally just an egg. I did not

1:22:231:22:27

have any part, like in an adoption,

if you adopt a child, there is a

1:22:271:22:34

part of you somewhere else out

there. It's not the same with egg

1:22:341:22:38

donation at all in my opinion.

I can

see you're getting quite emotional,

1:22:381:22:44

Maxine.

I just think it is a totally

overwhelming experience and it is

1:22:441:22:51

the most amazing gift that anybody

could ever receive. It's just such a

1:22:511:22:59

selfless act and to be able to be a

mum to a beautiful little boy is the

1:22:591:23:04

best thing ever. Without the help of

ladies like Sapphire, people like me

1:23:041:23:11

would not be able to be mums.

This

might be a strange question but it

1:23:111:23:16

crossed my mind earlier, the pack

your friend had donated an egg, does

1:23:161:23:21

she ever have any say in the

upbringing? Does she ever go, why

1:23:211:23:26

are you doing that with Jake?

Not at

all. We have a close relationship,

1:23:261:23:32

not in each other's pockets, I am

godmother to her little boy and she

1:23:321:23:38

is godmother to Jake and we are

there were each other if need be.

1:23:381:23:45

there were each other if need be. We

will work around at the time when we

1:23:461:23:48

need to tell them but now we carry

on with our normal lives. We are

1:23:481:23:52

always there for one another. The

lady that did it stays just amazing.

1:23:521:24:00

Thank you for speaking to us this

morning, I'm grateful to you for

1:24:001:24:03

sharing your stories.

1:24:031:24:05

The government is expected

to announce a significant pay rise

1:24:061:24:08

for almost all NHS staff in England,

apart from doctors.

1:24:081:24:11

Norman Smith can tell us more. What

do we know about the deal?

We know

1:24:141:24:20

it is a big deal and likely to cost

around £4 billion and that will mean

1:24:201:24:26

an average increase for NHS staff of

around 6.5% over the next three

1:24:261:24:32

years. The significance is that it

is way above the public sector pay

1:24:321:24:37

cap of 1% per year and seems to mark

the death knell of the public sector

1:24:371:24:43

pay cap which nurses and others in

the public sector have had to endure

1:24:431:24:47

for eight years, two years of the

pay freeze and six years of the cap

1:24:471:24:54

so they have seen their wages

pressed down. Now they get this

1:24:541:24:58

three-year deal, 3% this year, to

present the following year and 1% in

1:24:581:25:04

the final year. The interesting

thing, most of the money will go to

1:25:041:25:10

the lowest paid in the NHS. There

will be rises for those on band one,

1:25:101:25:17

the worst paid, people like cleaners

and porters, some of them will get

1:25:171:25:25

up to 29% over three years, a

whopping rise. There will also be a

1:25:251:25:35

rise in starting salaries for those

coming into the NHS. To give you a

1:25:351:25:39

sense of what it means in real

money, for some porters earning

1:25:391:25:46

around 15,000, their salaries will

go up to nearly 20,000 so a really

1:25:461:25:51

big increase for them. The other

interesting thing is that this is

1:25:511:25:56

money which the NHS is not going to

have to magic up, it is coming from

1:25:561:26:02

the Treasury and why that matters is

because previous increases for the

1:26:021:26:08

public sector, four example for the

police who got 1.7%, they had to pay

1:26:081:26:14

for that largely by finding the

money themselves which caused a lot

1:26:141:26:18

of anger among chief constables.

This is a big cheese moment not just

1:26:181:26:23

in terms of those who work in the

NHS and particular the lowest paid

1:26:231:26:27

but also in terms of austerity and

the public sector pay cap.

And is it

1:26:271:26:33

clear if this is going to be

accepted? It has been a long-running

1:26:331:26:38

dispute.

What was interesting was

that this morning I was talking to

1:26:381:26:42

some of the union people and I

expect them to say, yes, it is

1:26:421:26:49

-- is 6.5% but there is this and

that but not a bit of it. They are

1:26:491:26:55

pretty enthusiastic about what they

have got and I think we'll recommend

1:26:551:27:00

it to their members. They are not

unhappy about the deal they have

1:27:001:27:03

been offered. I suppose the question

that follows is where does the money

1:27:031:27:10

come from all the £4 billion is a

lot of money when we are still

1:27:101:27:14

borrowing a lot of money and when we

have average debt for every

1:27:141:27:18

household I think the Chancellor

said of £65,000 so we borrowing an

1:27:181:27:25

awful lot of money but the

government has 4 billion more to

1:27:251:27:29

give to nurses. Bear in mind that

teachers would be saying that they

1:27:291:27:33

want extra money as well and all of

the public sector will be knocking

1:27:331:27:37

on the door of the Treasury to say,

if you're giving it to the NHS, what

1:27:371:27:41

about us? The extra bill is likely

to be more and that raises questions

1:27:411:27:45

about what is going on in terms of

government thinking. My take is they

1:27:451:27:51

concluded that people feel we can't

go on any longer with this sort of

1:27:511:27:55

austerity, that austerity fatigue

has bedded in and we have reached

1:27:551:28:01

the outer limits with eight years of

pay restraint.

Thank you, Norman.

1:28:011:28:08

Let's talk to John Williams,

who's an A&E Nurse.

1:28:081:28:12

He earns around £30,000.

1:28:121:28:13

We've agreed not to identify

the hospital he works at.

1:28:131:28:15

And Fiona Johnson, who's

from the independent

1:28:151:28:17

health care charity,

the Nuffield Trust.

1:28:171:28:20

Thank you Paul speaking to us. John,

are you happy with what has been put

1:28:201:28:27

on the table?

It is very welcome to

receive this pay rise and that that

1:28:271:28:35

those on the lower end of the scale

are being rewarded. We worked

1:28:351:28:39

incredibly hard on it he paces and

are very much deserving of the rise

1:28:391:28:46

-- on a daily basis.

Do you think it

is a good deal, Fiona?

It is

1:28:461:28:51

important there is a recognition we

could not go on like this. The NHS

1:28:511:28:56

is not the NHS without its staff and

we have a massive problem of

1:28:561:29:00

recruitment and retention with

100,000 vacancies soak a step in the

1:29:001:29:04

right direction to in the eight

years of pay restraint -- so a step.

1:29:041:29:10

Do you think it will be accepted and

moved forward quickly? It has been

1:29:101:29:14

going on for a long time.

I am not

part of the negotiations but one of

1:29:141:29:18

the crucial thing is if there is

additional money coming in. The NHS

1:29:181:29:22

could not afford to shoulder the

extra £4 billion themselves because

1:29:221:29:27

they have massive deficit is already

so the Pledge made by the Chancellor

1:29:271:29:31

seems to be coming through and that

is really important for a

1:29:311:29:36

hard-pressed NHS.

What difference

will this money make to staff

1:29:361:29:38

working in the fund line and

particularly the people like the

1:29:381:29:44

porters and the lower paid staff? Is

it likely more people will stay in

1:29:441:29:49

the NHS instead of the droves

leaving that we have seen?

I would

1:29:491:29:53

certainly hope that was true. It is

very welcoming for the lower paid to

1:29:531:29:59

have this large increase. I do worry

about the staff who have been

1:29:591:30:05

serving for a long time, from what I

gather there will not be a huge

1:30:051:30:08

increase in their wages. To be

realistic, this pay rise over three

1:30:081:30:12

years is not in line with inflation

so it is still not a huge pay rise

1:30:121:30:17

and in real terms it is perceived as

a pay cut again.

I guess many people

1:30:171:30:23

are watching this in the private

sector would say that their pay is

1:30:231:30:26

not going up in line with inflation

as well, it is tricky for everybody.

1:30:261:30:30

It is, and it is worth remembering

that the NHS has been cutting costs

1:30:301:30:36

every year and probably around £2.5

billion of what it has managed to

1:30:361:30:40

save recently is accounted for by

staff before going salary increases.

1:30:401:30:45

NHS staff have had to do their bit

to keep costs down. And times are

1:30:451:30:50

tough for everybody.

Thank you for

coming in.

1:30:501:30:59

Still to come...

1:30:591:31:00

Tens of thousands of grandparents

looking after their grandchildren

1:31:001:31:02

are missing out on a little known

tax perk which can boost

1:31:021:31:05

their State Pension

by hundreds of pounds a year.

1:31:051:31:11

And after Ant McPartlin's arrest on

suspicion of drink-driving, what

1:31:111:31:17

next for Ant and Dec's TV

partnership?

1:31:171:31:22

Time for the latest

news - here's Joanna.

1:31:221:31:24

More than a million NHS staff

are poised for a pay rise,

1:31:241:31:27

with a deal that could be worth

as much as £4 billion

1:31:271:31:30

being announced by lunchtime today.

1:31:301:31:31

The BBC understands that health

bosses and unions have

1:31:311:31:33

reached an agreement that will mark

an end to a seven-year cap

1:31:331:31:36

and boost the salaries

of workers including nurses,

1:31:361:31:38

porters and paramedics,

but not doctors.

1:31:381:31:44

Facebook will be

questioned by politicians

1:31:441:31:46

in Washington today,

as the company comes under growing

1:31:461:31:49

pressure to explain how data

from 50 million users was used

1:31:491:31:52

by a British company during the US

presidential election.

1:31:521:31:55

It's alleged that Cambridge

Analytica used the data

1:31:551:31:58

to target voters and influence

the election outcome.

1:31:581:32:00

That company's chief executive,

Alexander Nix, has been suspended.

1:32:001:32:03

Both firms deny any wrongdoing.

1:32:031:32:08

Police in the United

States say the suspect

1:32:081:32:11

in a series of bombings in Texas

has died after blowing himself up.

1:32:111:32:14

Five devices have detonated

so far this month

1:32:141:32:16

and killed two people.

1:32:161:32:17

A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted

before it exploded.

1:32:171:32:24

As members of the Austin police

Department SWAT team

1:32:241:32:26

approached the vehicle,

the suspect detonated

1:32:261:32:32

a bomb inside the vehicle, knocking

one of our SWAT officers back.

1:32:321:32:35

One of our SWAT officers fired

at the suspect as well.

1:32:351:32:40

The suspect is deceased

and has significant

1:32:401:32:42

injuries from a blast that occurred

from detonating a bomb inside

1:32:421:32:44

his vehicle.

1:32:441:32:51

Unemployment rose by

24,000 to 1.45 million

1:32:511:32:53

in the three months to January.

1:32:531:32:55

It was the second month in a row

to show an increase.

1:32:551:32:58

However, the rate of

unemployment was down

1:32:581:33:00

slightly, from 4.4% to 4.3%.

1:33:001:33:04

Average earnings including bonuses

rose by 2.8% in the same period.

1:33:041:33:10

Reports from Nigeria say that

Boko Haram militants have

1:33:101:33:13

returned 76 schoolgirls

abducted from Dapchi

1:33:131:33:15

in the northeast of

the country over a month ago.

1:33:151:33:21

110 schoolgirls were abducted

from their secondary school

1:33:211:33:22

in February.

1:33:221:33:23

It's feared at least

five students may have died.

1:33:231:33:25

Eyewitnesses said a convoy

of vehicles dropped the students off

1:33:251:33:27

before driving away immediately.

1:33:271:33:33

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:33:331:33:40

Thank you. Let me read you this

message which is come into us. We

1:33:401:33:44

were talking about painkiller

addiction earlier. A couple of

1:33:441:33:49

people sharing their experiences.

They were critical of GPs and how

1:33:491:33:52

easily they were handing it out. One

guest said it was as easy as handing

1:33:521:33:57

out sweets. This text is quite long.

"I'm A practising GP of 17 years and

1:33:571:34:03

I'm sure there is a massive problem

with dependency to prescribe drugs.

1:34:031:34:08

However, this GP bashing agenda is

quite frankly scandalous. Patients

1:34:081:34:13

need to take some responsibility for

their actions. Falsely claiming to

1:34:131:34:16

be in pain when they are not is a

conscious decision the patient has

1:34:161:34:20

made in an attempt to falsely

obtained medications. I would

1:34:201:34:26

welcome a ban on prescribing many of

these drugs if GPs are not

1:34:261:34:29

competent. I would direct these

patients to specialist painkillers.

1:34:291:34:36

However, the patients currently wait

several months to be seen. How is

1:34:361:34:39

this additional demand going to be

met? Who will deal with the patient

1:34:391:34:43

while they're waiting months, not

the incompetent GP, surely? The

1:34:431:34:48

general public have no real

understanding of the pressures of

1:34:481:34:50

the NHS, and your is simply

attributing responsibility for the

1:34:501:34:55

failings of society to GPs, were

quite frankly getting setup as

1:34:551:35:02

reflected in the massive problems

with recruitment." Your experiences

1:35:021:35:07

welcome. Whether you are a GP, you

work in the health service or you

1:35:071:35:11

have an addiction to painkillers

yourself.

1:35:111:35:12

Share your stories with us.

1:35:121:35:13

Here's some sport now with John.

1:35:131:35:18

Good morning again. Scotland are

eyeing a place at next year's

1:35:181:35:22

Cricket World Cup. If they beat West

Indies in Zimbabwe this morning, a

1:35:221:35:26

place is theirs. They restricted

West Indies to 117-6 this morning.

1:35:261:35:32

Jason Holder was the last wicket to

fall for just 12 runs. For England,

1:35:321:35:38

with the test series against New

Zealand starting on Thursday,

1:35:381:35:41

Captain Joe Root says the return of

Ben Stokes is a huge boost. He will

1:35:411:35:46

play his first Redbook rigger for

six months. Nick Pope will hope that

1:35:461:35:52

he can impress England manager

Gareth Southgate in forthcoming

1:35:521:35:54

friendlies with the Netherlands and

Italy. Nine years after he was

1:35:541:36:00

released by Ipswich, he took place

in a milk round. Places in the men's

1:36:001:36:08

squad are up for grabs. Two English

teams could reach the semifinals of

1:36:081:36:14

the women's champions Victor An

Manchester City and Chelsea can come

1:36:141:36:18

through their quarterfinal ties. The

first legs play tonight. City play

1:36:181:36:23

Linkopings and Chelsea face

Montpellier. That is all this board

1:36:231:36:29

for now.

Back to you. Thank you.

1:36:291:36:31

Tens of thousands of

grandparents who look

1:36:311:36:32

after their grandchildren

are missing out on a little

1:36:321:36:34

known tax perk which can

boost their state pension

1:36:341:36:37

by hundreds of pounds a year.

1:36:371:36:38

The number of families claiming

the credit has increased

1:36:381:36:41

from about 1,000 to 9,000 over

the past year but up

1:36:411:36:45

to 90,000 are eligible.

1:36:451:36:48

We can talk now to Caren

Satter in North London

1:36:481:36:50

who looks after her grandchildren

on Wednesdays so her

1:36:501:36:52

daughter is able to work.

1:36:521:36:58

And Mandy Phillips,

who looks after her two young

1:36:581:37:00

grandchildren part-time

as both her daughters-in-law work.

1:37:001:37:08

How old are the grandchildren you

look after, Karen? How difficult is

1:37:091:37:12

it?

My grandson is five and a half

and he is at school now. And my

1:37:121:37:20

grand daughter, Megan, is too.

Recently she has gone to nursery. As

1:37:201:37:25

soon as I have finished with you, I

will be picking her up, then I will

1:37:251:37:30

bring her home and look after her

for the rest of the afternoon until

1:37:301:37:34

her mum comes home. How difficult is

it? It is not difficult at all. It

1:37:341:37:38

is wonderful. It is my pleasure. I

love it. I couldn't wait for them to

1:37:381:37:43

be old enough to be left with me.

I'm excited to hear there might be a

1:37:431:37:47

little bit of money that I can

recycle, so I will probably go and

1:37:471:37:52

buy some presents with it. It is a

never-ending story. You bring of

1:37:521:37:59

yours, you still -- you bring up

there's.

Mandy, are you at

1:37:591:38:07

hairdressers?

I am. I'm working as I

speak.

Tell me about your

1:38:071:38:14

grandchildren. You look after them

on a regular basis?

Yes, every week.

1:38:141:38:19

One of them is at school until

three. I pick her up at three. The

1:38:191:38:24

other one is a nursery until three

but I pick her up at 2:30pm so I can

1:38:241:38:30

get the other 143 o'clock.

And you

work. That has to be exhausting?

No.

1:38:301:38:37

I am a hairdresser. I take them both

from, I feed them and I bathe them.

1:38:371:38:42

One of my daughter-in-law is comes

and she takes her home at about six

1:38:421:38:50

o'clock. The other one stays with me

overnight. I then have all day

1:38:501:38:53

Tuesday because I don't work

Tuesday. Her mum comes at six

1:38:531:38:57

o'clock the following night. It is

really Monday and Tuesday.

I wonder

1:38:571:39:01

if you think it is fair that you are

effectively bringing up your

1:39:011:39:05

grandchildren? I don't mean totally

bringing them up. My generation of

1:39:051:39:10

working mums, a lot of people rely

on support of parents, don't they?

1:39:101:39:17

They do. I have got friends whose

children, many girls, who have

1:39:171:39:25

virtually got full-time jobs. They

are professional girls. They are

1:39:251:39:29

working four to five days a week.

I've got a friend with four

1:39:291:39:35

grandchildren. She is in her 70s.

She does more now as more

1:39:351:39:39

grandchildren have been born, I

won't say more than she did with her

1:39:391:39:43

own children, would she is certainly

under a lot of pressure. And she is

1:39:431:39:47

actually a widow. She is under a lot

of pressure. It is quite exhausting.

1:39:471:39:51

I think she loves it but by the end

of the week she is tired because she

1:39:511:39:54

is doing her childcare job. We are

not the age we should be bringing up

1:39:541:40:01

children. You are supposed to be in

your 30s, 40s. It will be

1:40:011:40:06

interesting with your donation

ladies, who are having Leyds

1:40:061:40:11

donations, they may not have

somebody grandparents to help them

1:40:111:40:13

because we may not be there.

I'm in

my 40s. I'm an exhausted working

1:40:131:40:19

mum. I know how tired I get looking

after my kids. That is why I asked

1:40:191:40:24

the question. It is demanding, isn't

it, Mandy?

It is demanding. But when

1:40:241:40:31

you are tired and raising your own

children and working, it's a

1:40:311:40:36

different kind of tiredness. I'm

tired whilst I'm looking after them.

1:40:361:40:44

Having two together helps. They play

with each other. I just organise.

1:40:441:40:48

Then choose to have got the other

one. She's a good child, so it's not

1:40:481:40:52

a problem. You enjoy doing it so

much. On Tuesday they are gone.

1:40:521:40:58

Although I do see them other times

in the week, maybe Sunday, whatever,

1:40:581:41:03

it is not continual. You do know it

is finite. With your own children

1:41:031:41:08

you are tired because it is

relentless. This isn't. There is a

1:41:081:41:12

reason why you have a special

relationship with your

1:41:121:41:15

grandchildren, and it is because it

is not continuous. If I couldn't do

1:41:151:41:20

it, I wouldn't.

Does this news that

you could be getting extra tax

1:41:201:41:25

breaks that will amount to several

hundred pounds a year, make a

1:41:251:41:29

difference? Or do you do it for the

love of it. I'm guessing by your

1:41:291:41:34

face that you think no right us I

can't believe we are getting a tax

1:41:341:41:41

break.

Money would be wonderful who

would not like more money. If I

1:41:411:41:48

wasn't working and there was no tax

break, I would still do it. They are

1:41:481:41:52

your grandkids. It's what you do.

Thank you both for speaking to us.

1:41:521:41:57

Don't work too hard at your

hairdressers!

Thank you.

1:41:571:42:03

What next for Ant and Dec?

1:42:031:42:04

It's almost impossible to imagine

one without the other.

1:42:041:42:06

The pair have been inseparable

for years both professionally,

1:42:061:42:08

as Britain's best-known presenting

duo, and personally, through their

1:42:081:42:10

longstanding friendship.

1:42:101:42:11

There you are, that's it,

Toff is our winner.

1:42:111:42:15

I hope you've all enjoyed the past

three weeks as much as we have.

1:42:151:42:18

All that is left for us to say

now though is, Toff,

1:42:181:42:21

you are a celebrity and you're Queen

of the Jungle.

1:42:211:42:24

Get yourself out of here!

1:42:241:42:25

Well done, Toff.

1:42:251:42:27

CHEERING.

1:42:271:42:35

A massive fan of yours, George.

1:42:371:42:38

So excited you're

on the show tonight.

1:42:381:42:40

Not as excited as I am.

1:42:401:42:43

I grew up watching this show,

it's amazing, thank you very much.

1:42:431:42:46

You grew up watching the show?

1:42:461:42:47

LAUGHTER.

1:42:471:42:49

I'll be honest, I'm

starting to go off him.

1:42:491:42:51

He's a little bit chatty, isn't he?

1:42:511:42:53

Stick to the singing, son.

1:42:531:42:55

He'll be back later

for the end of the show.

1:42:551:42:57

George Ezra, everybody.

1:42:571:43:00

OK then, here we go.

1:43:011:43:04

The winner of Britain's

Got Talent 2017 is...

1:43:041:43:12

Tokio Myers!

1:43:161:43:23

Well done, Tokio!

1:43:231:43:24

But following Ant McPartlin's arrest

on suspicion of drink driving,

1:43:241:43:34

his much publicised painkiller

and alcohol addiction and his split

1:43:341:43:36

from his wife, there are now

fears for their future.

1:43:361:43:38

We know Ant won't be returning

to this year's series

1:43:381:43:42

of Saturday Night Takeaway on ITV,

and Dec Donnelly is now

1:43:421:43:45

working out what to do

with the rest of the series.

1:43:451:43:48

So what could happen

next for the pair?

1:43:481:43:50

Someone who knows Ant well

is Colman Hutchinson.

1:43:501:43:52

He's a former executive producer

of ITV's Who Wants To Be

1:43:521:43:54

A Millionaire and Blind Date.

1:43:541:43:57

With me is Sam Wolfson,

editor of Vice UK.

1:43:571:44:00

He's written extensively about

the pair's on-screen friendship.

1:44:001:44:03

In Stoke-on-Trent is

Emma Jackson-Bowers who is a huge

1:44:031:44:05

fan of their Saturday Night Takeaway

programme.

1:44:051:44:07

Her husband got a tattoo

of both Ant and Dec.

1:44:071:44:15

Emma, I have to start with you. Why

has your husband got a tattoo of ant

1:44:171:44:22

and deck?

We want to enter the

competition to try and win the kids

1:44:221:44:27

a place on the plane. The trigger

competition was published just after

1:44:271:44:33

the show on Saturday night. It was

the best thing we could think of to

1:44:331:44:37

try and win a place.

That his

commitment to the cause. That is on

1:44:371:44:41

his arm, is it?

Is on his calf.

What

you make of what has happened to the

1:44:411:44:50

partnership over the last few

months, and the challenges that Ant

1:44:501:44:55

McPartlin has been feeling? Do you

feel sympathy?

I do feel sympathy.

1:44:551:45:01

He is going through a rough patch.

Everybody goes through rough

1:45:011:45:06

patches. With his addiction, the

divorce from his wife, he is in a

1:45:061:45:11

really bad place at the moment. As

for ant and deck as a duo, I feel

1:45:111:45:21

for Declan as well. This is through

no fault of his own that it could

1:45:211:45:25

possibly affect his career as well.

I want to bring you in, Coleman. I

1:45:251:45:31

know you know Ant McPartlin quite

well. I'm interested in some of the

1:45:311:45:35

comments made by celebrities on TV

in recent days. Phillip Schofield

1:45:351:45:40

has been supportive yet critical

about obviously drink-driving. And

1:45:401:45:44

also Piers Morgan saying this Ant

McPartlin is not the guy he knows.

1:45:441:45:49

Is he the guy you know?

1:45:491:45:54

First of all I had to say don't know

him well, I have only met him at

1:45:541:45:59

functions and had a meeting so I

don't know him personally so I

1:45:591:46:02

wouldn't be able to say what I feel

personally because I'm not a friend

1:46:021:46:07

of his and I don't know him on a

personal level, I have met him a few

1:46:071:46:12

times.

With regards to his future

and you looking at this from an

1:46:121:46:17

executive point of view, his future

and the future for Ant and Dec is a

1:46:171:46:22

huge brand for ITV?

Absolutely, it

is massive. I think the brand has

1:46:221:46:28

been so perfect, they are loved by

the nation, everybody thinks they

1:46:281:46:33

are perfect and wonderful and

suddenly there is a chink in the

1:46:331:46:37

armour over the last 12 months. And

I figured it is frightening. These

1:46:371:46:42

things can come to an end very

quickly. You look at Michael

1:46:421:46:48

Barrymore, he was huge in his day

and could do no wrong and everybody

1:46:481:46:51

adored him and it was wonderful and

suddenly a few things go wrong and

1:46:511:46:55

it is all over. It is terribly

worrying for them I think.

1:46:551:47:01

Particularly, I feel for both of

them but particularly for Dec. He

1:47:011:47:06

has not been involved in any of

this, it is not down to him, and his

1:47:061:47:13

career is under threat because of

the actions of Ant, which is

1:47:131:47:18

difficult.

Talk about that

friendship, you have written a lot

1:47:181:47:21

about how strong it is, they lived

near each other, it is quite an

1:47:211:47:26

incestuous relationship!

They are

very close, they go to each other's

1:47:261:47:29

houses and have dinner and go on

holiday together and have always

1:47:291:47:32

said that if the key to the success

that they are friends first and the

1:47:321:47:36

career has come from that. That is

why I think it is so difficult now

1:47:361:47:40

because they have said in the past

that they would not go on TV which

1:47:401:47:43

out the other -- without the other.

If Ant is out of this series of

1:47:431:47:51

Saturday Night Takeaway and

Britain's Got Talent, presumably

1:47:511:47:55

that means Dec is out as well. It

can quite quickly fall apart because

1:47:551:48:00

they have never really had a hiatus

from TV. Since Pop Idol in 2001 they

1:48:001:48:07

have been on Saturday night prime

time three shows a year pretty much

1:48:071:48:11

constantly. I think it will be

particularly challenging for them to

1:48:111:48:16

talk about this in a way that can

kind of work within their act and

1:48:161:48:22

who they are.

They handled it

brilliantly on I'm A Celebrity

1:48:221:48:25

because when Ant came back they make

jokes about it and because they drew

1:48:251:48:31

attention to it, it worked well also

slightly different if you look at

1:48:311:48:38

addiction to painkillers against

potentially a drink-driving offence.

1:48:381:48:43

They have tried it this time, a

couple of jokes and move on and

1:48:431:48:46

clearly that has not worked because

there has been another incident. I

1:48:461:48:51

don't want to speculate on whether

it is a relapse or whatever but it

1:48:511:48:56

is a serious incident and at this

point I think for the first time

1:48:561:49:00

ever they might have do drop the act

and talk seriously about what has

1:49:001:49:05

happened to regain that trust with

viewers. And also to be good

1:49:051:49:10

spokespeople for depression and

mental health issues.

How much of

1:49:101:49:14

this decision will be down to them

and how much will be taken out of

1:49:141:49:18

their hands by ITV and by the

advertisers?

I think the decision

1:49:181:49:22

will be taken out of their hands,

because I feel that ITV, their sense

1:49:221:49:29

would be that we cannot have him on

television at the moment when he is

1:49:291:49:32

under suspicion of this

drink-driving. It is a family show,

1:49:321:49:38

they are looked up to and admired.

They are role models for young

1:49:381:49:43

people. I think it would be very

difficult even if he wanted to

1:49:431:49:48

continue for him to continue at the

moment while this hangs over him. As

1:49:481:49:53

I said, they are role models and

that is what they are seen as an

1:49:531:49:57

they will have to overcome this

somehow. I think it is too early to

1:49:571:50:00

do that at the moment.

As a fan,

what is your take on this? Do you

1:50:001:50:07

think it would be appropriate to

seek Ant back on TV or do you think

1:50:071:50:12

it is too serious an allegation

which he is facing and therefore he

1:50:121:50:15

has to step back?

I would love to

see Ant back on TV but I think for

1:50:151:50:22

the moment he has made the right

decision by stepping away from his

1:50:221:50:27

work commitments and he needs to get

himself sorted and take some time

1:50:271:50:31

out to heal himself and get in a

better place but I would like to see

1:50:311:50:35

him back on TV. He is a big role

model for most of the kids.

I would

1:50:351:50:42

like you to have a look at this if

you can, because since we have been

1:50:421:50:47

on air, a viewer who want is that

Weight Ant and Dec has said Abbot

1:50:471:50:53

Point impact it had on their young

son -- who watches Ant and Dec.

Why

1:50:531:50:57

are you crying?

Because Ant and Dec

is not on any more.

Whose fault is

1:50:571:51:03

that?

Ant's fault.

It certainly is.

Come on now, stop crying.

I can't!

1:51:031:51:13

It's hard to watch. That is the

problem, they had to connect with

1:51:151:51:20

their audience and if their audience

is cross...

I think so come they

1:51:201:51:26

have a broad audience, it is not

little kids, it is mums and grandads

1:51:261:51:31

and everything and there is a lot of

the audience who will have dealt

1:51:311:51:35

with similar things that Ant is

going through and it is about

1:51:351:51:38

connecting with that group and be

able to talk openly about these

1:51:381:51:41

things. Obviously the priority has

to be his health and the safety of

1:51:411:51:46

others, drink-driving is a serious

crime. I am sorry for that kid, it

1:51:461:51:51

is upsetting, sad that we will miss

Saturday Night Takeaway as lobber

1:51:511:51:57

they have given it a go trying to

prioritise being on TV -- as well.

1:51:571:52:02

There was some talk on Twitter about

whether Scarlett Moffatt from goggle

1:52:021:52:10

boxed, she was on Saturday Night

Takeaway on Saturday, if she should

1:52:101:52:13

have sent -- on goggle box also

would ITV entertain the thought of

1:52:131:52:21

him presenting with somebody else?

I

think it would be a huge ask for her

1:52:211:52:30

to co-host with Dec, it is not an

easy job, they are hugely talented

1:52:301:52:34

and skilled at what they do and have

honed their skills over many years.

1:52:341:52:37

I think it would be virtually

impossible to get somebody like

1:52:371:52:42

Scarlett Moffatt, talented though

she is, she does not have that

1:52:421:52:44

quality is because she does not have

the experience. I cannot imagine

1:52:441:52:48

being in a position to be able to

co-host the show with Dec. I am sure

1:52:481:52:54

there are others who would be

capable, whether they would have the

1:52:541:52:57

same chemistry...

They could get

Tapili back.

1:52:571:53:06

Tapili back. -- Cat Deely. Thank you

all for coming back.

1:53:081:53:14

This morning we've been

asking if there's enough

1:53:141:53:16

help for people addicted

to prescription painkillers?

1:53:161:53:18

Nicki Hari told us her GP made

an addict of her in prescribing

1:53:181:53:21

them, but then had no idea how

to help her dependency, which ended

1:53:211:53:24

up lasting 25 years.

1:53:241:53:25

It wasn't until I was 18 that

I was put on very strong painkillers

1:53:251:53:29

after having my appendix out.

1:53:291:53:32

What were you put on?

1:53:321:53:34

On codeine, Co-codamol,

I was given tramadol and at the time

1:53:341:53:36

I realised that I actually

really liked that feeling.

1:53:361:53:43

It was like being on a pink

fluffy cloud, all of

1:53:431:53:46

my worries and stresses

went away and I just

1:53:461:53:52

my worries and stresses went away

and I just felt really

1:53:521:53:54

relaxed about everything.

1:53:541:53:56

The pain that I thought I had had

disappeared so that's when

1:53:561:53:58

it started.

1:53:581:54:02

Obviously it didn't continue

solidly until much later.

1:54:021:54:07

Presumably you came off those drugs

after you had the operation?

1:54:071:54:15

Yes, I came off them and it wasn't

until I got into rehab and I looked

1:54:161:54:18

at my journey from start to finish,

well, not finish because I haven't

1:54:181:54:22

finished my journey yet,

but I realised I could see a pattern

1:54:221:54:24

forming on how I loved

having the feeling of

1:54:241:54:32

prescription painkillers.

1:54:331:54:35

And it was very easy

to manipulate the system.

1:54:351:54:37

At the time the GPs were giving

them out quite freely.

1:54:371:54:41

I would go to my GP,

say I'm in a lot of pain in and be

1:54:411:54:44

given a tramadol repeat prescription

for six months so I didn't even have

1:54:441:54:48

to go to the GP and it doesn't take

very long to become addicted,

1:54:481:54:51

seven to ten days and you're hooked.

1:54:511:54:59

We can speak now to some

of our viewers who've got

1:55:021:55:04

in touch this morning.

1:55:041:55:05

Agnes is in Manchester -

she's addicted to painkillers

1:55:051:55:07

but says they're the only option

to address her pain.

1:55:071:55:11

Bob, who's in Doncaster -

his twin brother was

1:55:111:55:13

addicted to painkillers.

1:55:131:55:16

And Jo is in Glastonbury -

she says she tried to take her

1:55:161:55:19

own life after being

addicted to painkillers.

1:55:191:55:23

Thank you for talking to us. Tell me

about your situation and how you got

1:55:231:55:27

there.

I started when I was pregnant

with my now 12-year-old daughter. I

1:55:271:55:36

had slipped discs and I was given

Co-codamol at first but had a bad

1:55:361:55:43

reaction to it and two years after I

was given tramadol. A few years ago

1:55:431:55:48

in 2013 I became ill with CFS,

chronic fatigue syndrome, and I

1:55:481:55:57

experienced a lot of muscle pain and

this was basically the only thing

1:55:571:56:02

that helped me. I have been referred

to pain clinic, fried gabapentin,

1:56:021:56:08

this is the only thing apart from

coming off which might GB has

1:56:081:56:14

suggested to come off and just bear

the pain but it is not easy to live

1:56:141:56:18

with this type of pain.

I want to

bring in Bob. It was your twin

1:56:181:56:26

brother who was addicted to

painkillers?

That's right.

Tell us

1:56:261:56:30

what happened.

He was knocked off

his bicycle cycling to work one

1:56:301:56:36

morning, he taught maths in high

school, and subsequently had an

1:56:361:56:43

operation on his back which do not

go well and he was left in a lot of

1:56:431:56:48

pain. He was prescribed numerous

drugs over quite a period of time

1:56:481:56:53

but each time he was given a

different description he was not

1:56:531:56:57

allowed to come down off the

previous drug properly -- different

1:56:571:57:01

prescription. These basically just

fried his brain I think any tried on

1:57:011:57:07

a number of occasions to commit

suicide and in the end he managed to

1:57:071:57:11

do it.

It is desperately sad and I

am so sorry to hear that. I wanted

1:57:111:57:17

to bring in Jo, tell me your

experiences.

I'm approaching 50. I

1:57:171:57:28

was

1:57:281:57:35

was put on, tranquillisers, in my

20s. The dose was going up because I

1:57:351:57:42

was getting used to them and the

doctor was giving me more. What I

1:57:421:57:46

did not realise was one of the

side-effects was depression and that

1:57:461:57:49

led to me trying to take my own life

when I was about 21. A couple of

1:57:491:57:56

years later I was diagnosed with

various pain issues and put on very

1:57:561:58:06

strong opiate medication. This is an

exact TV stories we have had

1:58:061:58:10

throughout the programme.

Thank you

all very much for sharing your

1:58:101:58:14

experiences this morning. Thank you

for your company and all of the

1:58:141:58:20

messages you have been sending to

us, we do read them all. Have a

1:58:201:58:24

lovely day. Thank you for your

company.

1:58:241:58:32

Chloe Tilley asks if enough is being done to help people who are addicted to prescription painkillers. We hear from some of the increasing number of women donating eggs to people who can't get pregnant. Plus what next for the future of Ant and Dec after Ant's arrest on suspicion of drink driving?