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tour. And in Ukraine, the millionaire

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confectioner dream magnate Petro Poroshenko 's looks to have won the

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first round of presidential elections. `` confectionery magnate.

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Good morning, live from Westminster. The UK Independence

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Party's emphatic victory in the European elections has sent a jolt

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through the other political parties. With results from Northern Ireland

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and Scotland still to come in, Nigel Farage and UKIP have won 23 seats so

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far, increasing its presence in the European Parliament by ten MEPs. The

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games have come largely at the expense of the Lib Dems, who lost

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all but one of their seats. The Conservatives lost seven seats in

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Brussels, whilst the Labour Party has gained the same amount following

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a poor showing last time round. Will the results change the prodigal

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landscape? In 2009 the Conservatives held the biggest share, now UKIP

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dominates. Earlier, party's spokesman said UKIP could no longer

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be dismissed as a protest vote. When you have won, champagne tastes

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good even if there are no glasses around.

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This was the East of England, but UKIP are celebrating everywhere.

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The people's army of UKIP have spoken tonight and delivered just

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about the most extraordinary result that has been seen in British

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politics for 100 years, and I am proud to have led them to that.

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Contrast that to these phases of defeat. The Lib Dems have almost

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been wiped out. Neither the Labour Party nor the

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Tories had the backbone to stand up to you by Schmeichel to UKIP. We

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took the unpopular side of the argument that are being punished but

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I would do it all over again. Labour have beaten the

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Conservatives, but only narrowly. It is a result that will worry the

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party. Both they and the Tories are now wondering what on earth to do

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about UKIP. We will respond by making clear that

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we can fix the relationship between Britain and Europe, we can deliver

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real change and give people a say in a referendum.

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UKIP have been a symptom of people's disaffection with politics

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and they are using their vote in the European parliamentary elections to

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express their dissatisfaction with politics. This was the scene at

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Manchester town Hall as BNP leader Nick Griffin arrived.

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He later lost his seat. It is snaps like these that tell the

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story of the night. Smiling for a picture has never been easier for

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UKIP. We will be speaking to William

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Hague, who will be with me in a moment, but the Prime Minister, who

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has already been on the radio giving his reaction to last night's

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results, let us listen to that. I take a clear message from the

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elections, that people are deeply disaffected with the European Union,

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they do not feel the current arrangements are working well enough

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for Britain and want change. I would say that message, as far as I am

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concerned, is absolutely received and understood. We have to

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demonstrate we are the ones with a plan to start out this relationship

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and give able choice in or out by the end of 2017 in the referendum.

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`` to sort out this relationship. That is what we have to focus on.

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There are those, particularly at the sceptical end of your party, many of

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whom are really sympathetic to UKIP, that say the problem with

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where you are now is that people do not trust you to really deliver a

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fair referendum. For example, they say you will have a phoney

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renegotiation and recommend that we stay income and the public will be

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bounced into voting into staying in the EU. Can you give reassurance on

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that front to those in your party and supporting that will not

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happen? I want to see a genuine

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renegotiation. I have set out some of the things I want to achieve in

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that renegotiation, but in the end it will be for the British people to

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decide whether they want to stay in a reformed European Union on leave.

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My view is it is in the national interest to stay in the European

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Union and it does take time to get the renegotiation done and to

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convince people about how genuine it is owned and how guaranteed `` how

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genuine it it `` how genuine it is and how guaranteed we are to get a

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referendum. The real test will be when people have a choice, do you

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want David Cameron and the Conservatives that will give you

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that referendum, or do you want Ed Miliband and labour who want the

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status quo in Europe to continue? I think that lies behind why Labour

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did so badly last night, they had so little to say about Europe, they try

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to talk about other things the rather than respect the voters and

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doc about the issues we were voting on.

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That was the Prime Minister in the last half hour.

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Let's speak to William Hague, who is with me. Good morning.

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Good morning. A pretty full set of results, when was the last time the

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Conservatives finished third in a national poll?

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It is an unusual set of results. It has not happened before that the

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fourth party wins a nationwide election, however from the

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conservative point of view we are only about 3% down on where we were

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five years ago. The governing party has always lost these elections for

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30 years, the official opposition have usually done much better than

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Labour have done, so I think these are creditable results from the

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Conservative's point of view, but UKIP have one and across Europe

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there is a deep disillusionment with the European Union. That message has

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to be heard loud and clear in Brussels.

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What are you going to do about that? You have tried ignoring UKIP,

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insulting them, aping them, what will you do?

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This is about the voters and their decision...

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But you cannot carry on as if nothing has happened.

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We have to make it clear that when it comes to a general election, it

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is not a free hit as the European election has been described by UKIP

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themselves. In that choice, it is the Conservative Party that offers a

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referendum on Europe. The other parties are against that...

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But in the local elections? In the local elections the

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Conservative Party was up on the previous year, and for a government

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in power it was a good set of results. By any previous comparison

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of local elections to general elections, it is the Labour Party

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that has a terrible set of results. We have two votes ahead of the

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general election. Your colleague, David Davis, said

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your policy on the referendum lacks clarity and credibility.

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Why do you not bring it forward to 2016?

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The whole point is to have a referendum when we are clear about a

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new relationship with Europe. That will take some time to

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negotiate, when the Conservative government is elected next year that

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has to be negotiated, a Europe that is more flexible, more democratic,

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lest centralised... Butterfat is that lack of clarity.

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Give me three clear things you plan to negotiate in terms of powers?

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We have already given example is a red cards for parliaments, National

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Power is a red cards for parliaments, national stop the union

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applying to the UK, being able to tighten up on so`called benefit

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tourism and abuse of the welfare system.

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These are among the things we like to see in Europe changed, and then

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we will have a referendum. You talk of abuses, but immigration,

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Nigel Farage is right ` there is fundamentally nothing you can do

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about immigration in the EU as you do not control borders, it is free

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movement of labour and there is nothing you can do about that. Look

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at immigration figures on polling day.

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We have already brought down immigration from outside of the EU

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to levels not seen since the 1990s. Inside the unit is tightening up on

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benefit claims and people coming here to take advantage of our

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welfare system. But legitimate people who come

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here, those are the numbers you have no control over.

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We do have some control by tightening up those systems. There

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is more we can do other than that and more we can do as a conservative

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only government, a Conservative majority government.

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We will gamble on those issues at the general election next year.

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Lord Ashcroft's own polling, Labour marginals, but Labour are in

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double`digit leads, that must be hugely worrying for you.

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We take nothing for granted in a general election but in all polls

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the Conservative Party has been improving as to where it has been

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over the last couple of years and that is a strong basis for the

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general election campaign next year...

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But you need your voters to come back.

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Clearly for me, tell me what you will do to try to entice them back?

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We're going to see a general election, unlike and European

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election, is a choice. You get a referendum, in or out of Europe with

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a Conservative government, and you do not get that any other way.

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The Prime Minister is just speaking on camera.

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People are disillusioned with the European Union and the waiters

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working, the way it is working for Britain, and they want change. The

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challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that we have the plan to

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deliver that change, to renegotiate Britain's place in Europe, to get a

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better deal for Britain, to change Europe and then put the choice to

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the British people in a referendum before the end of 2017. That is what

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do and the real test for that plan will, at the general election.

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There are people saying that votes for UKIP are not necessarily

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interested in Europe, and this is a kicking of the major parties and

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that perhaps you are completely out of touch on the issues people really

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care about. People use elections like this to send election `` send a

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message to the government. I absolutely receive and understand

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that message on Europe, that people want change. After a long and

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difficult recession, of course people have things they are

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frustrated about, they want to see more jobs and higher living

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standards, they want to see us complete our long`term economic

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plan, and I see that as a demand for us to deliver. We have to

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demonstrate that tackling immigration, reforming welfare,

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getting Britain's place right in Europe, all of these things are part

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of the economic plan that has seen an increase in the people of Adam

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Macklin another people in work, tax cuts, the deficit down, but there is

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work to do. How do you feel about UKIP now?

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Realistically, isn't packed good idea?

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`` isn't a coalition agreement. We are going to work harder, we're

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going to do more and convince people and that is what I will spend my

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time doing in the next 350 days. One question about Nick Clegg. He is

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due Deputy Prime Minister. Where does this leave the coalition

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if he goes? The coalition is a strong government

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and is delivering, it particularly in terms of turning around the

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economy, getting people back to work and cutting taxes. That work will

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continue. People should be in no doubt we have a strong and

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determined government with a very clear plan and that plan continues.

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At how does the coalition work without Nick Clegg?

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That is for the Liberal Democrats to decide themselves. I am very clear,

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we have a strong coalition government that is effectively

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changing our country, putting people back to work, cutting taxes, getting

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the deficit down. We have a very clear plan and my job as Prime

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Minister is to deliver that plan. That is what I will be working doing

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over the next 350 days. Well, there it is, we have a plan,

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we have to stick to it and deliver it.

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That is the assessment from the Prime Minister.

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We broke away from William Hague to listen to that, let us return for a

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final thought. The Prime Minister was talking about the referendum in

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2017. One final question on that, because does this result not

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underlined that David Cameron cannot control the way that referendum

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goes? He can put out the arguments coming

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weekend renegotiate and put out arguments to the population, but

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does this result not sure that actually there is every chance they

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could reject it and you will find yourself out?

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Well, it is democracy. We believe in democracy, and the reason we want a

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referendum is for the people to decide, one way or another. It is

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nearly 40 years since there was a referendum on Europe in the UK.

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People like me were too young to vote in that referendum. We believe

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in people having their say, irrespective of the result.

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William Hague, thank you for being with me this morning. We will assess

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the result in terms of what they mean for all of the parties through

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today. We are expecting to hear from Nick Clegg within the next hour, but

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let's take a look at the result across Europe.

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A big result in France, with that thought for the National Front fair,

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a big win for them. And the anti`EU parties from left to right have made

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significant gains in these elections, with MEPs across the 28

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member states. Love those countries looking and make an assessment of

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where they now. Let's go to our political

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correspondent, Ben Wright come in Brussels for us.

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The headline thought from where you are? For many years, the MEPs has

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seen Euroscepticism as particularly British but no longer, there has

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been a backlash across the continent and in polling booths across Europe,

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voters were queueing up to protest against the priorities of the EU.

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Victory for Marine Le Pen and a first for the Front National.

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One in four of the votes cast in France went to the anti`immigrant,

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The leader, Marine Le Pen, said that people have spoken loudly and wanted

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It was a vote against the unpopular socialist President and a vote

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The anti`EU Danish People's Party came first in Denmark.

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That was on a promise of taking power back from Brussels.

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When MEPs meet here next, more often than ever will be critics

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of the parliament they have been elected into.

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The mainstream centre`right and centre`left will have a majority,

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but anti`Europe MEPs will be a noisy and disruptive block of dissent.

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In Greece, the radical left Syriza Party topped the poll.

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The country has been hardest hit by austerity and it won

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The far`right Golden Dawn came third,

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There has been a backlash against Europe and immigration

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and it is Front National's victory in France and the UKIP win in

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Turnout was 43%, almost identical to the turn and five years ago in 2009.

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Most eligible voters did not think they would rather add it was not

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worth their while turning out to vote in this election. Letters look

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at the composition of the European Parliament as a result of this. The

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leading group, the People's party, on the centre`right, that remains

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the largest. They still have around 25%. Socialists and Democrats, about

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21% and then the Liberals and the Greens. The group that UKIP sitting,

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the freedom and democracy group, lost quite a few but Nigel Farage is

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showing and they remain at about 5%. This huge group is classed as other

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at the moment, including the front national in France and

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antiestablishment parties. The big story from Europe is that it is an

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extraordinary result in France and I am joined by Kristian Frazier. It

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was remarkable in Paris. What explains that? A lack of political

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trust. And Francois Hollande has not had a good first few years, and they

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do not like taxes and spending has been falling. Across the road,

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parliamentarians and within the National Front, they want to

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re`negotiate the treaty and that will be their biggest objective when

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they sit in this new parliament. Letters look at those figures, the

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first thing is to say this is not a regional victory for the National

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Front, finishing first in 70% of the departments. You can see from this

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graphic, 25.4%, that is a massive surge. They took just 6% last time

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with three Parliamentary seats. UMP, slumping. Nicolas Sarkozy, his

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leadership under threat, he has not got a coherent message on Europe.

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Socialists, what an appalling night. They were hoping for 16%. But they

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have lost about three or four seats. They will have just 13. The bigger

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parties licking their wounds today, the Cabinet had an emergency meeting

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this morning at 8:30am and the headline is that they are talking

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about tax cut for the low and middle income families. Just how he can

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afford that, we do not know. Three quarters of zero growth and he is

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under pressure from Brussels to bring the deficit into line. Some

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damp rides this morning. This is the right wing paper. Figaro.

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Earthquake. Another debacle for Francois Hollande. And approximately

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personal victory for Marine Le Pen, she has changed the party since

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taking over from her father. We knew, of course, that the National

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Front would do well but we thought it was just a stream to step over

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that, in fact, it is a raging torrent. Left`wing press. There is

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concern this morning that France will be identified by the far

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right. Extraordinary, when you think of the country that is the spiritual

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heart of Europe, it is the key sceptic voice. You can see some of

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these glum faces on the panel in the television studio. They talk about

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the crisis of leadership on the left. Socialists have to win back

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the working class vote because as they have been crunching these

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numbers, what is apparent for Socialists is they have lost the

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working class vote in many constituencies, over 55% in the East

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of voting for the National Front and the younger vote, 30% under 35

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voting for the far right. Some big things to think about. Thank you

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very much indeed. The question is, what will this mean for the future

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direction of the European Union? How will work done here? We have easily

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MEPs coming to Brussels, they might form a powerful the group and with

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that comes money and voting rights and speaking rights on the floor of

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the chamber and doubtful whether they will try hard to do that,

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because I think their differences are just too great. To get the

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numbers together. And the focus of parties like UKIP and the National

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Front is not here. This is the enemy, but the audience is domestic.

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We want to appeal to voters in Britain and France and Denmark. It

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might not change the way politics within the parliament is done but

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the response of the bureaucracy will be interesting. Were they think and

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listen and ask difficult questions about the momentum of the European

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project? The drive for closer union? Will will they stop and think and

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try to slow down? In response to this. I was talking to the Secretary

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General last week and he was pretty sanguine, he said we know there will

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be an upturn in Eurosceptic feelings but economies are pretty depressed

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and once they recover, that will die away. I think the real impact of

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these folks will be is felt in the national capitals with rational and

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governments to bring powers back from Brussels to the national

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capitals and really look at how the European Union works. Lots to choose

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over. Thank you. Let us look at the domestic ramifications. Nick

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Robinson is with me. What is your analysis? There were doubts when the

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phrase earthquake was used after the local elections and nobody can have

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any doubt now. No party other than the name to have won a national

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election in over 100 years and UKIP have done this and have shown they

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can win local contests as well as European and what that means is

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there is a fourth force in British politics and that is important,

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because by winning in Scotland and Wales, they have defied those who

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said they were merely a force in English and is and obviously they

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did less well in Scotland but they are going to get a seat. What that

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means in the end is at talk of UKIP getting MPs over there in

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Westminster, which would have seemed slightly risible two years ago,

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seems totally possible. Lastly, Nigel Farage said he would hope to

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hold the balance of power in 2015. Some people thought that was

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preposterous. It seems less so? But still difficult. These were

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elections and he described as a free head and these elections will and

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reformers proportional representation that means it is

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easier to get votes. They need to win above the parties in one or

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localised places and they have not been able to do that yet, Newark is

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go `` is coming up. It is interesting to hear what he wants to

:24:37.:24:46.

do, it was to copy Paddy Ashdown, not try to fight across the country

:24:47.:24:48.

but get in a lot of votes in a very small number of places. For all of

:24:49.:24:52.

the main parties, this is a headache, what to do? What is the

:24:53.:25:02.

impact of this? Awkward. The Tories, third for the first time in their

:25:03.:25:06.

history, losing a quarter of the European Parliament members, seeing

:25:07.:25:11.

the Conservative family fractured. They must hope that they simply

:25:12.:25:16.

saying to UKIP voters, you may not like David Cameron but you prefer

:25:17.:25:19.

him to Ed Miliband, you might not like our policies but you would

:25:20.:25:23.

refer the referendum, that will squeeze the vote. But there will be

:25:24.:25:29.

huge pressure to flesh out these rather vague promises. You try to

:25:30.:25:32.

get more out of William Hague about reforming Europe. And whether they

:25:33.:25:38.

could ever walk away from Europe if they did not get that? Labourer:

:25:39.:25:43.

Relieved because of it was afterwards in the capital, they were

:25:44.:25:47.

neck and neck with the Conservatives. `` labour. They would

:25:48.:25:50.

say they never do well in European elections. On the other hand, there

:25:51.:25:55.

are people in the party who will say, one year away from a General

:25:56.:26:00.

Election, we do not smell like winners and is this tension between

:26:01.:26:04.

the politics that is working for Labour in the capital and outside of

:26:05.:26:09.

the capital, and are not doing well at all there. Trying to reconcile

:26:10.:26:15.

that. And Nick Clegg, most people around him act him and said,

:26:16.:26:19.

changing the leader is not the way. The problem is, what is? Just

:26:20.:26:27.

returning to Labour and Conservative, they almost have the

:26:28.:26:32.

same strategy, which is to help and weighed just before the 25th

:26:33.:26:36.

election to say, it is either Ed Miliband or David Cameron. ``

:26:37.:26:45.

weight. That is dangerous? To be fair, Ed Miliband is doing more than

:26:46.:26:53.

that, he is going to Thurrock tomorrow, a council Labour Party did

:26:54.:26:56.

not get in a large part because of UKIP and he is going to make a

:26:57.:27:01.

speech that effectively says I know you did not back me, you are not yet

:27:02.:27:06.

convinced that I have the right answers. But I believe the

:27:07.:27:11.

disaffection you will feel the anger, this sense of alienation, is

:27:12.:27:15.

one we have the answers to. To be fair, he is trying to take head`on

:27:16.:27:22.

that view, not on issues of Europe and immigration but of the standards

:27:23.:27:26.

of living, wages, job security and so on. David Cameron is trying to

:27:27.:27:32.

double up the offer he made the promise of a European referendum.

:27:33.:27:38.

Thank you for that. Nick Robinson. Talking about some of the challenges

:27:39.:27:41.

and questions at the Labour Party have to look at. Graham Stringer is

:27:42.:27:49.

in our Salford studio. Critical after those local election results

:27:50.:27:52.

on Friday. What we were thoughts this morning? We did very well in

:27:53.:28:00.

London and very well in the North`West. There are a lot of

:28:01.:28:06.

marginal seats. Some of the responses from my leadership has

:28:07.:28:09.

been, we have to change and listen. But it is not clear how they will do

:28:10.:28:15.

that. While these elections were about Europe, and there is some

:28:16.:28:19.

protest votes, there were also people voting against the direction

:28:20.:28:24.

that this country is going in Europe. And unless we have a policy

:28:25.:28:29.

response to that, which has to be as a minimum to give people a

:28:30.:28:33.

referendum, we are going to lose votes. My constituents are concerned

:28:34.:28:39.

about immigration and jobs. The factors, the free movement of people

:28:40.:28:46.

is locked into the treaties of Europe and we cannot do anything

:28:47.:28:51.

about that unless we force fundamental change in the European

:28:52.:28:54.

Union and we're not doing anything. It is very attractive. Disabled for

:28:55.:29:01.

us, but we cannot do anything about the major concerns. Because Europe

:29:02.:29:05.

will not let us. We have to improve the offer. We cannot just keep

:29:06.:29:11.

saying, this has been a major wake`up call. But we're not going to

:29:12.:29:18.

do anything. Do you think those at the top of

:29:19.:29:21.

your party understand those concerns?

:29:22.:29:27.

When I was talking to Douglas Alexander on Friday he was littering

:29:28.:29:32.

to criticism and was making the point that you are almost a serial

:29:33.:29:36.

critic, if you go back to Gordon Brown you are criticising him.

:29:37.:29:41.

My concern has always been for the Labour Party to win the election.

:29:42.:29:44.

Douglas supported Gordon Brown at that time and we lost the election.

:29:45.:29:50.

We could have done better had we changed the leader.

:29:51.:29:53.

At the moment I believe we could do much better if we tighten up our

:29:54.:29:57.

organisation around Ed Miliband, the leader of the Labour Party, and we

:29:58.:30:02.

changed some of our policies so that we have more resonance with the

:30:03.:30:04.

electorate. It is very elitist and arrogant to

:30:05.:30:09.

carry on saying, we will just go the way that Europe is going, with ever

:30:10.:30:13.

deeper integration within the European Union. That is not what

:30:14.:30:17.

people who I represent what it is not what people in the UK want all I

:30:18.:30:24.

want to do is to improve the Labour Party's position for the next

:30:25.:30:28.

general election, and I think it is complacent by Douglas and some of

:30:29.:30:31.

the other people in the leadership to carry on with business as usual.

:30:32.:30:36.

We have do have some major organisational changes and some

:30:37.:30:40.

policy changes that will attract more voters to the Labour Party.

:30:41.:30:45.

So it is policy that has to change? Do you acknowledge also that perhaps

:30:46.:30:49.

your party has an Ed Miliband problem in terms of someone who can

:30:50.:30:52.

project himself as a leader? The opinion polls do not tell lies.

:30:53.:31:01.

Ed is not doing as well as David Cameron and the public's mind.

:31:02.:31:10.

He is a decent human being with a high intelligence and he is the

:31:11.:31:12.

leader of the Labour Party. What we have to do is improve the

:31:13.:31:17.

organisation around him, which frankly has been amateurish, and we

:31:18.:31:26.

have to end prove `` improve our policy offering.

:31:27.:31:29.

No party has won in the general election by the leader has been

:31:30.:31:33.

behind and we have been behind in economic policy.

:31:34.:31:36.

We have to improve the organisation around Ed but we also have to

:31:37.:31:39.

improve our basic economic policy, which means changing some of the

:31:40.:31:43.

policies on Europe. If we do not, we are in difficulty, despite as having

:31:44.:31:47.

good results over this weekend. We have also had some poor results and

:31:48.:31:52.

we have to improve in those areas. Graham Stringer, we are grateful for

:31:53.:31:58.

your time this morning. You are watching BBC News, it is a

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little after 9:30am as we take you through results and analyses of this

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European election. If you have just joined us on BBC

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News, welcome, because the politicians here are taking stock of

:32:12.:32:15.

another startling performance from UKIP.

:32:16.:32:18.

Nigel Farage has described the results as the most extraordinary

:32:19.:32:22.

results in British politics in 100 years.

:32:23.:32:28.

They have 23 MEPs, 27% share of the vote.

:32:29.:32:31.

The Liberal Democrats, well, they faced almost wiped out, winning only

:32:32.:32:36.

one MEP, pushed into fifth place. Labour have made gains, but only a

:32:37.:32:42.

little ahead of the Conservatives in terms of vote share. Elsewhere in

:32:43.:32:46.

Europe, it is the antiestablishment parties come again, that have

:32:47.:32:49.

performed strongly. In France, shock result there with the National Front

:32:50.:32:54.

winning. We will analyse those results in a

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little more detail in a moment, but first this report from our political

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correspondent, Ross Hawkins. It looked good for UKIP last night,

:33:01.:33:12.

toasting the result with champagne and, having topped the national

:33:13.:33:15.

vote, it looks even better this morning.

:33:16.:33:15.

My dream has become a reality. Despite the onslaught we faced in

:33:16.:33:21.

the last few weeks, as if the whole world was against us, the British

:33:22.:33:25.

public have stood firm, backed UKIP and we have won and national

:33:26.:33:27.

election. I am over the moon.

:33:28.:33:31.

Compared that with the fate and faces of Liberal Democrats, all but

:33:32.:33:36.

wiped out, left with a single MEP. It went wrong because there is a

:33:37.:33:40.

very feeble oil anti`European atmosphere in this country in the

:33:41.:33:43.

moment. `` and very febrile. There is a general death that

:33:44.:33:47.

Schmeichel disaffection with politicians.

:33:48.:33:50.

More votes and MEPs for Labour, beating the Conservatives but only

:33:51.:33:53.

just. Everyone is wondering how UKIP did so well.

:33:54.:34:00.

`` there is a general disaffection with politicians.

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Everyone was there are disaffection with politics generally.

:34:07.:34:08.

For the Conservatives come in third place, similar questions.

:34:09.:34:12.

I think the result showed a clear message, which is that people are

:34:13.:34:15.

disillusioned with the European Union, the way it is working for

:34:16.:34:18.

Britain. They want change. The in Europe ``

:34:19.:34:31.

to renegotiate Britain was Michael place in Europe.

:34:32.:34:39.

`` Britain's place. There were scuffles as the BMP

:34:40.:34:43.

arrived at Manchester town Hall, but Nick Griffin had already been beaten

:34:44.:34:46.

by the voters. The big picture, though, I UKIP

:34:47.:34:49.

triumph. The question is whether we will see

:34:50.:34:52.

more of this at the general election.

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With me is John Curtice, professor of politics at the University of

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Strathclyde. Welcome.

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What do you make of these results, specifically for UKIP, first of all?

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There is no doubt UKIP have achieved a remarkable feat in coming first in

:35:11.:35:15.

a nationwide election. It was the target Nigel Farage set for his

:35:16.:35:19.

party some month ago. Many thought he was at risk of exaggerating

:35:20.:35:22.

expectations of what his party could achieve but he has met his target.

:35:23.:35:27.

What we need to remember is that European elections are the occasion

:35:28.:35:31.

on which borders are, firstly, more willing to vote for smaller parties,

:35:32.:35:37.

and secondly, as we know from the 2004 and 2009 elections, more likely

:35:38.:35:42.

to vote for UKIP in particular. To that extent, we cannot presume that

:35:43.:35:45.

if there were a general election that UKIP would have come top with

:35:46.:35:51.

28% of the vote. What we know from a couple of opinion poll exercises is

:35:52.:35:54.

around half of the people who voted for UKIP on Thursday said they would

:35:55.:36:01.

vote for UKIP in the general election. We also know that people

:36:02.:36:05.

who voted for them in the European election did not fought for them

:36:06.:36:11.

locally. Roughly what the opinion polls have been saying for the time

:36:12.:36:19.

being is around 40% support for UKIP. That is not anything like

:36:20.:36:24.

enough for UKIP to win a Parliamentary seat, `` 14%, but it

:36:25.:36:28.

is enough to make sure that in the coming months the Conservatives and

:36:29.:36:32.

Liberal Democrats will be wanting to win back those votes.

:36:33.:36:36.

You talk about the national share potentially going to 14%, but it has

:36:37.:36:40.

been interesting watching their tactics, we heard them talking about

:36:41.:36:45.

how they would approach the general election.

:36:46.:36:49.

It is the Liberal Democrat model about not worrying on the headline

:36:50.:36:53.

national jab at targeting areas and hoping to receive the vote in those

:36:54.:36:57.

areas. That could be effective. That certainly could be what they need to

:36:58.:37:00.

do, because under our electoral system, unless a party that is very

:37:01.:37:07.

popular, if it has a geographical spread it loses out.

:37:08.:37:12.

What we see is UKIP developing an area of strength, the east coast of

:37:13.:37:19.

Kent, Basildon, Thurrock, Great Yarmouth, part of Lincolnshire.

:37:20.:37:23.

There is a strip down the eastern coast of England were UKIP seemed to

:37:24.:37:27.

have particular popularity, particularly well dug income and I

:37:28.:37:30.

undoubtedly think they will concentrate there.

:37:31.:37:36.

Can they build up such a strong local base in those areas within now

:37:37.:37:41.

less than 12 months? It is a long task building up a

:37:42.:37:45.

local base. For the main parties, take me

:37:46.:37:48.

through their challenges. The truth is there is a collective

:37:49.:37:52.

challenge to the board of all parties. In part, the reason UKIP

:37:53.:37:57.

are where they are is because of the collector called `` collector

:37:58.:38:01.

situation the three parties have. What I mean by that is that we have

:38:02.:38:05.

coalition for the first time. As a result, the Lib Dems are not

:38:06.:38:08.

available as a party of protest. That undoubtedly is one of the

:38:09.:38:12.

reasons UKIP have the opportunity they have. The coalition will not

:38:13.:38:16.

disappear tomorrow. The second big usual thing about Westminster

:38:17.:38:19.

politics at the moment is that all three party leaders are relatively

:38:20.:38:23.

unpopular. That is one of the reasons why Nigel Farage's apparent

:38:24.:38:28.

directness, his ability to hold people's attention is any booing his

:38:29.:38:34.

party. Those circumstances of the unpopular leaders and a coalition

:38:35.:38:36.

are not going to disappear, and that is why it will be forgot to get the

:38:37.:38:42.

UKIP thought Aaron. That said, the Conservatives this morning has said

:38:43.:38:46.

we will go on about Europe. This is not just about Europe, it is

:38:47.:38:48.

certainly not about wanting a referendum, it is either wanting to

:38:49.:38:53.

get out of Europe or a particularly about the consequence of Europe for

:38:54.:38:58.

immigration in an age of austerity. On the Lib Dems specifically, is it

:38:59.:39:02.

recoverable? They are in a dire situation and

:39:03.:39:05.

have been ever since the beginning of this Parliament. They will not

:39:06.:39:10.

lose all of their seats in the next general election but they could

:39:11.:39:13.

easily lose half of them. John Curtice, thank you for those

:39:14.:39:16.

thoughts. Let us get away from Westminster for

:39:17.:39:20.

a while because Graham Satchel is in Worksop, part of the East Midlands

:39:21.:39:23.

region where UKIP got the most votes, the Conservatives in second.

:39:24.:39:29.

Thank you. We are at a car`boot sale here near Worksop in North

:39:30.:39:36.

Nottinghamshire. It is a beautiful day, a lot of people out and about.

:39:37.:39:40.

UKIP did very well here in the East Midlands, they topped the poll and

:39:41.:39:42.

have come away with two MEPs. have come away with two MEPs.

:39:43.:39:47.

The Tories, also have two, and Labour have one.

:39:48.:39:50.

UKIP are up one on five years ago. Let us talk to some of the

:39:51.:39:54.

stallholders here in North Nottinghamshire.

:39:55.:39:58.

Brian Hugh has a stall with a lot of games and other bits of household

:39:59.:40:00.

items. Brian, how did you vote? I voted

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UKIP. Why? Well, it is different opinions,

:40:07.:40:10.

isn't it? You were not satisfied with the

:40:11.:40:13.

other parties? No. Why not?

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You cannot really comment on that, can you?

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You cannot! But you're not happy with the others?

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I have never voted in my life. This is your first time question

:40:26.:40:28.

mark first time I have voted. And you voted UKIP? Would you vote

:40:29.:40:32.

them in a general election? I would, yes.

:40:33.:40:38.

Like you very much, Brian. That is a first`time voters who

:40:39.:40:41.

voted UKIP because he was disillusioned with the other

:40:42.:40:43.

parties. Let's talk with Sandra.

:40:44.:40:47.

Sandra, can I bring you up? Sandra has a stall here as well, how

:40:48.:40:51.

did you vote? Labour. What did you think about

:40:52.:40:56.

UKIP coming Top Of The Pops everyone is entitled to their own opinion,

:40:57.:41:00.

but I feel people moving further that way in respect of immigration,

:41:01.:41:03.

I have concerns for the local area in general.

:41:04.:41:12.

Things may overspill. `` everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

:41:13.:41:17.

What do you mean about overspill? Well, I look around and everyone

:41:18.:41:20.

seems to speak a foreign`language. I am of the over `` older generation

:41:21.:41:25.

and I accept that, but if it becomes more I will find that difficult to

:41:26.:41:28.

live with. So you can see why people have voted

:41:29.:41:31.

UKIP? Yes, I can see that but I am labour,

:41:32.:41:36.

always have been, always will. It was my parents that said to me, you

:41:37.:41:39.

thought what you are, and that is what I have been.

:41:40.:41:43.

What is interesting, Sandra can is that a lot of people like you in the

:41:44.:41:46.

Labour heartland have decided enough is enough of a The Mall it `` Ed

:41:47.:41:51.

Miliband and they want action. Would you vote different in a general

:41:52.:41:53.

election? Nope, I am Labour.

:41:54.:42:00.

Lovely, Sandra, thank you very much. We have a by`election not far away

:42:01.:42:05.

from the next Thursday, in new work, whether it is probably the first big

:42:06.:42:08.

test for UKIP as far as Westminster is concerned. `` Neawrk `` tempt ``

:42:09.:42:32.

Newark. You vote? No. You are not alone,

:42:33.:42:35.

many people did not vote. What do you think would help?

:42:36.:42:43.

Just to listen to policies that people of this country believe in.

:42:44.:42:48.

They seem to ignore us. I just think we want it to return back to how

:42:49.:42:51.

good old Britain was. What does that mean creche and Mark

:42:52.:42:55.

you are worried about immigration? Yes, I think it worries everyone if

:42:56.:42:58.

I am honest. Government just seems to ignore...

:42:59.:43:04.

Yes, they are just ignorant about what people want, I think.

:43:05.:43:10.

What are you saying, quickly then, that you would like the door shut to

:43:11.:43:14.

future European immigration? Not essentially shut, but I think

:43:15.:43:17.

there should be limits on what is going on.

:43:18.:43:20.

Simon, thank you very much. There you are, Simon did not vote

:43:21.:43:23.

and he is certainly not alone because two thirds of people in the

:43:24.:43:27.

end did not vote. For all people saying this is a portable

:43:28.:43:29.

earthquake, we should perhaps keep that in mind, that one `` only a

:43:30.:43:36.

third of the electorate bothered to vote.

:43:37.:43:38.

There you see someone who did not, but still aligning himself with the

:43:39.:43:41.

philosophy of UKIP. Graham, thank you very much. We are

:43:42.:43:46.

still waiting for the results to be confirmed in Scotland and also

:43:47.:43:48.

Northern Ireland. Large areas of England and Wales

:43:49.:43:52.

turned from conservative blue to UKIP purple overnight.

:43:53.:43:56.

Those results, we should get them around midday from Scotland, when

:43:57.:44:00.

the full results are due to be announced around that time, with

:44:01.:44:04.

UKIP hoping to get their first NEP in Scotland.

:44:05.:44:07.

Jeremy Langdon has been looking in detail about where the party picked

:44:08.:44:10.

up ports and what results could mean for next year's election. And

:44:11.:44:15.

further afield in Europe. As huge election across 28

:44:16.:44:19.

countries, let us look at the dramatic events in the UK.

:44:20.:44:23.

This is the map last time in 2009. Under Gordon Brown pinned back to

:44:24.:44:29.

the north`east year. The Scottish Nationalists are

:44:30.:44:32.

painting Scotland yellow, but the rest of England is all conservative

:44:33.:44:35.

plan. 12 regions. Let us mark the map with

:44:36.:44:41.

the colours it was left after the 2014 European election and how

:44:42.:44:44.

dramatic is this? UKIP purple all over England, Labour

:44:45.:44:49.

first in Wales, the north`west and north`east.

:44:50.:44:51.

Scottish nationalist yellow in Scotland, and Labour are doing very

:44:52.:44:55.

well in London. The UKIP advance is really quite

:44:56.:44:59.

extraordinary. If I'm narrow down the map and get it to shore areas

:45:00.:45:03.

where parties came first by local council, there is quite a lot of

:45:04.:45:06.

conservative blue here, but when it flashes places, where the party that

:45:07.:45:13.

was first this time was not first class time, have a look. Second

:45:14.:45:33.

place, Labour have 20, the Conservatives had 26 last time. The

:45:34.:45:39.

Green party, in fourth place with three. That was a good night for

:45:40.:45:44.

them. And catastrophic for the Lib Dem 's, just one. And the others,

:45:45.:45:50.

nationalists among them. In terms of the share of the vote, these are the

:45:51.:46:00.

figures. You can see UKIP, 28%. Labour, the London effect lifting

:46:01.:46:05.

labour. It was touch and go but the Conservatives in third place. The

:46:06.:46:11.

Greens, 8% and the Lib Dems, only 7% and the others on 8%. Huge advances

:46:12.:46:18.

for UKIP and Labour not doing as well as they would want and the

:46:19.:46:22.

Conservatives pushed back but the Lib Dems are the real victims. And

:46:23.:46:29.

more widely, all over Europe, voters were standing up to make a point to

:46:30.:46:33.

the establishment. In France, the grey in that we'll shows the

:46:34.:46:38.

National Front, the hard right party, coming first. And in the

:46:39.:46:46.

South`East of Europe, Greece. The deep red is a hard left. Across

:46:47.:46:53.

Europe, we saw traditional parties being punished by outsiders. In

:46:54.:47:04.

Wales, Labour topped the polls but very narrowly. We should get the

:47:05.:47:14.

thoughts from there in a moment. The line has just dropped away.

:47:15.:47:17.

Apologies. The Conservatives had topped the poll last time around and

:47:18.:47:22.

Wales so a big turnabout in Wales. We will get thoughts there. Jeremy

:47:23.:47:29.

Vine taking us through the polling and the results in different parts

:47:30.:47:32.

of Europe. Letters look at the European perspective. With me is

:47:33.:47:41.

Matt Pearson, who promotes European reform and Peter Wilder. Who is in a

:47:42.:47:46.

campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Your headline for this? The big

:47:47.:47:57.

story across Europe is the rise of antiestablishment parties in seven

:47:58.:47:59.

different countries and the big question is, how can politicians

:48:00.:48:06.

respond) press ahead with more centralisation or choose a different

:48:07.:48:12.

path, reform? This is an amazing wake`up call for the established

:48:13.:48:16.

parties. Instead of cowering in the corner, they should recognise that

:48:17.:48:20.

this message is antiestablishment and what the British public wants is

:48:21.:48:25.

clear direction. And all three leaders, they could get that, but

:48:26.:48:30.

they have been frightened of the press and themselves for too long.

:48:31.:48:36.

Isn't the message clear, the public do not want the sort of Europe and

:48:37.:48:41.

structures that you want? Exactly. The unfortunate thing is, David

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Cameron and David Miliband and `` Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg agree that

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change should happen and those leaders have a very clear choice,

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either make change or lose Europe. For decades, peace and prosperity in

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Europe, built around these structures. If that is castaway,

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what are you left with? I would argue that you could be left with

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something far worse than the reform option. A system of nation states

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where people are set back several decades. Some people perhaps might

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want that. Europe with borders. And I think that would be the worst

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option so I think it is essential that we press on with some reforms

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and it is interesting to see that some of his founding members,

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including in France, have gone this way. Immigration has played so big.

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In terms of reforming that, how do you reform that when we have freedom

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of movement? We would argue that one way of doing that is to change the

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rules around access to benefits because if you look at a lot of

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these parties, one of the points are making is they come here... Is that

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a red herring? There might be people who come here for benefits but the

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majority of people come for jobs and although sorts of reasons,

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legitimately? I would argue that on the whole, free movement has been

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beneficial for the UK and other countries but this is about ensuring

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voters have confidence in the political system and showing voters

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we have transparent and sensible rose around access to benefits. That

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is an easy way to take away some of the oxygen from the stronger

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anti`immigration parties. You talk about trade and all of these reasons

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to be in the EU. Is the problem that am actually, a lot of people are not

:50:58.:51:03.

listening to that? They have trained eye to those thoughts because

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immigration is so big? `` trimmed out. People want firm direction,

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they want Britain to be powerful in Europe and the world and that is

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like Nigel Farage appeals, he has a clear message. `` that is why. 75

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percentage people here think we have zero influence in Europe and people

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think this country has been ganged up upon. The German and the French

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run the show. Nothing could be further from the truth and it is up

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to Westminster to make the case for British leadership clearly. After

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these results, how can this country be viewed by all of those countries

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and Brussels? This is not just a British phenomenon, this is across

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Europe. What has to happen is a member states who want to move

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Europe into a period of change with jobs and growth, they simply have to

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get around the table and say, the British have a plan, we have signed

:52:05.:52:11.

up to this plan, let us do it. In terms of David Cameron, his strategy

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has been laid out, negotiate, and more powers back, do these results,

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do they make it harder or easier for him in that discussion? It is a

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double`edged sword. On the one hand, of course, this might serve as a

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welcome Ashbury wake`up call to leaders. If you give voters a choice

:52:33.:52:40.

between no Europe or more, they will choose no Europe. `` wake`up call.

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On the other hand, the European Parliament itself might actually be

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more centralised because the main groups in the Parliament that tends

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to put the same have a strong incentive to gang up and freeze out

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the other contingent and the parliament will have a strong say

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over some of these items in the reform agenda. I disagree. The

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Parliament looks in on itself, it is a longer left versus right, it is in

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and out, it has no particular power or leadership to stage a member

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states, listen to us. It will not be an obstacle change because the

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member states need the change to happen. Thank you both very much for

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joining us. We have run out of time. Plenty more in the coming minutes.

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Let's return to the studio. Thank you very much. The Pope has paid the

:53:42.:53:56.

Holocaust memorial site a visit. He spoke of the boundless tragedy of

:53:57.:54:03.

the Holocaust, describing it is as an unfathomable abyss. He travelled

:54:04.:54:10.

there and kissed the hands of solid cost `` Holocaust survivors in the

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hall of remembrance. As you can see. He said, never again, Lord. We will

:54:19.:54:24.

have full coverage of this continuing visit, he has invited

:54:25.:54:28.

both sides of the conflict to the Vatican and they have so far given

:54:29.:54:32.

it positive response to that. More later on that. Pfizer is expected to

:54:33.:54:38.

make a statement today admitting defeat in the attempted takeover

:54:39.:54:42.

AstraZeneca. The latest offer was rejected by AstraZeneca's board and

:54:43.:54:47.

Pfizer has until 5pm to make a better offer or withdraw. Current

:54:48.:54:51.

rules say that public can try again after six months. Let's get the

:54:52.:55:00.

weather forecast. Carol is on the balcony.

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As they go through today, we're looking at a mixture of bright

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spells, sunshine and showers. The weekend that we get headers looking

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unsettled, breezy and it will feel cool but for some others, there will

:55:19.:55:23.

be sunny spells as well. Through the course of the early part of today,

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we have seen rain coming in, across the English Channel, particularly

:55:28.:55:32.

heavy towards the West and we have had a plethora of showers and they

:55:33.:55:36.

will continue through the day. In between, lovely blue skies. Low

:55:37.:55:42.

pressure in charge and through the latter part of today and

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pressure in charge and through the latter part tonight and tomorrow,

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this weather front is coming our way, ringing heavy rain. This

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morning, we still have showers, some merging to give longer spells of

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rain and still showers towards the West and in between, bright skies

:55:56.:56:00.

meaning high cloud and also some sunny spells also. They could be

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potent, particularly afternoon across Northern Ireland,

:56:05.:56:09.

where they could be thundery. Thundery showers for Scotland, not

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as heavy as yesterday in Edinburgh and sunshine in between. Northern

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England, Cumbria will see sunshine but for the rest, lots of cloud

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around and though showers. East Anglia, Essex and Kent, some

:56:27.:56:30.

sunshine through the afternoon again but we can also see showers and in

:56:31.:56:35.

the Midlands, some could be quite heavy. For the South`West, bright

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spells and sunny skies, one or two showers affecting parts of Wales but

:56:41.:56:44.

a lot of dry weather with sunny intervals. Overnight, lots of

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showers will drift towards the West and they will be replaced in the

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East by this next system coming from the continent and that will bring

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heavy rain. East Anglia and Leicestershire and Lincolnshire and

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South Yorkshire. That will be with us tomorrow and we will also drag in

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this onshore wind so it will feel particularly cold on the East Coast

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but inland, the wind will also be brisk. And still, some scattered

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showers towards the West. And in between, some bright spells and

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sunny intervals. As we move into Wednesday, more of the same, rain

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piling in from the East, moving into Northern Lincolnshire and southern

:57:29.:57:31.

Scotland and possibly West of Scotland as well. Still onshore

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winds and for the North of Scotland and parts of Northern Ireland and

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Wales and towards the South`West, we will see something Emma Dreier. At

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least we can keep right up to date online. `` something Dreier.

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National. This is BBC News live from

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Westminster where for the first time since 1910, nuclear Labour nor the

:58:36.:58:39.

Conservatives have won a national election.

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`` neither Labour nor the Conservatives. The UK Independence

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Party emerges as the major winner in the European electionings, topping

:58:47.:58:49.

the poll with almost 28% of the vote.

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My dream's become a reality and, despite the onslaught we face over

:58:53.:58:56.

the last few weeks as if the whole world was against us, the British

:58:57.:59:00.

public have stood firm, backed UKIP and we've won a national election.

:59:01.:59:05.

The challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that we have the plan to

:59:06.:59:09.

deliver that change, to renegotiate Britain's place in Europe to get a

:59:10.:59:13.

debt b better deal for Britain, then to put the choice to the British

:59:14.:59:16.

people in an in`out referendum before the end of 2017.

:59:17.:59:25.

The biggest losers failing to hold on to all but one of their seats,

:59:26.:59:30.

the Liberal Democrats. We have taken the unpopular side of

:59:31.:59:34.

an argument and we have been punished. I would do it all over

:59:35.:59:38.

again. Labour fails to break through in key battle grounds, but narrowly

:59:39.:59:41.

beat the Conservatives with 25% of the vote.

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Across the rest of Europe, Euro`Sceptic and antiestablishment

:59:49.:59:52.

parties make big gains In France, a platical earthquake,

:59:53.:59:59.

the first time the Front National of Marine Le Pen has won a national

:00:00.:00:03.

vote and they take fist place in 70% of departments around the country.

:00:04.:00:07.

We'll bring you the latest reaction and developments live as they happen

:00:08.:00:11.

throughout the day. The other headlines: Pope Francis

:00:12.:00:16.

visits Israel's Holocaust memorial on the third and final day of his

:00:17.:00:20.

Middle East tour. And in Ukraine, billionaire

:00:21.:00:28.

confectionary magistrate e`Mr Porochenko looks to have won the

:00:29.:00:29.

first election. Good morning and welcome live from

:00:30.:00:52.

Westminster as the politicians here take stock of last night's dramatic

:00:53.:00:57.

European election results. The UK Independence Party's emphatic

:00:58.:01:01.

victory in the European elections, well, it's sent a jolt through the

:01:02.:01:04.

other political parties with results from Northern Ireland and Scotland

:01:05.:01:09.

still to come in. Nigel Farage's UKIP's won 23 seats so far

:01:10.:01:13.

increasing its presence in the European Parliament by ten MEPs.

:01:14.:01:18.

Those gains have come largely at the expense of the Liberal Democrats who

:01:19.:01:22.

lost all by one of their seats. The Conservatives lost seven seats

:01:23.:01:25.

in Brussels, whilst the Labour Party has gained the same amount following

:01:26.:01:34.

its result last time around. In 2009, the Conservatives held the

:01:35.:01:39.

biggest share of the vote. Now UKIP dominates. Earlier, the party's

:01:40.:01:43.

Deputy Leader said the result shows support for UKIP could no longer be

:01:44.:01:48.

dismissed as a protest vote. Here is our Political Correspondent, Ross

:01:49.:01:55.

Hawkins. It looked good for UKIP last night,

:01:56.:01:59.

toasting the results with champagne in mugs and after having beaten

:02:00.:02:03.

their rivals nationwide, it looked better to their leader this morning.

:02:04.:02:09.

My dream's become a reality. Despite the onslaught, as if the whole world

:02:10.:02:13.

was against us, the British politic have stood firm, they have backed

:02:14.:02:16.

UKIP and we have won a national election. I'm over the moon.

:02:17.:02:30.

It went wrong because there's a very febrile anti`European atmosphere in

:02:31.:02:34.

this country at the moment. There's a general disaffection with politics

:02:35.:02:38.

and politicians. More votes and more MEPs for Labour, they beat the

:02:39.:02:42.

Conservatives but only just and everyone's wondering how UKIP did so

:02:43.:02:45.

well. This isn't really about Europe. We

:02:46.:02:50.

know that there was a huge amount of discontent, both with the economy

:02:51.:02:54.

really coming after the 2008`09 crash and with politics generally.

:02:55.:02:57.

For the Conservatives, in third place, similar questions.

:02:58.:03:01.

I think the results show a clear message which is people are deeply

:03:02.:03:05.

the disillusioned with the European Union, with the way that it's

:03:06.:03:08.

working for Britain and they want change, the challenge is now for my

:03:09.:03:13.

party to demonstrate that we have the plan to deliver that change.

:03:14.:03:20.

There were scuffles as the BNP arrived at Manchester Town Hall, but

:03:21.:03:24.

Nick Griffin had already been beaten by the voters. The big picture

:03:25.:03:28.

though, a UKIP triumph. The question is whether we'll see more of this at

:03:29.:03:34.

the general election. Joining me here at Westminster is

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Labour's Shadow Business Secretary, Chuka Umunna, thank you very much

:03:40.:03:42.

for your time. There was another poor showing wasn't it, defeated but

:03:43.:03:47.

UKIP and only marginally ahead of the Conservatives? I couldn't agree

:03:48.:03:56.

more. In this election, just passed, we got more than 25% of the vote, 20

:03:57.:04:02.

MEPs compared to 13. We are waiting for the final results. We expect

:04:03.:04:07.

around 20. That's coming off the back of a very solid performance in

:04:08.:04:12.

the local elections. Is that Be` complacent, given where you were in

:04:13.:04:16.

2009 with Gordon Brown, only just ahead of the Conservatives, as the

:04:17.:04:20.

main opposition party behind UKIP? Let's not forget, we haven't won a

:04:21.:04:25.

European election in over 20 years and that that includes during the

:04:26.:04:28.

premiership and leadership of Tony Blair when we got two landslide

:04:29.:04:31.

victories and a third general election victory. What happens in

:04:32.:04:35.

the European elections isn't necessarily indicative of what

:04:36.:04:38.

happens in a general election, of course. You will remember William

:04:39.:04:42.

Hague won the European elections in 1999 but went down to a landslide

:04:43.:04:47.

defeat in 2001. What we have seen is a good, solid performance, does that

:04:48.:04:50.

mean that the general election is in the bag next year? Absolutely not.

:04:51.:04:54.

We have got to keep building on the success and winning back more

:04:55.:04:59.

support. Sure. In terms of the local election result, you saw us putting

:05:00.:05:03.

on seats in the crucial marginal constituency seats. But there is a

:05:04.:05:06.

theme with UKIP isn't there, affecting all of the main parties,

:05:07.:05:11.

but is your colleague Jon Mann right that you made an error, you didn't

:05:12.:05:15.

take them on strongly enough? I don't agree with that. What I think

:05:16.:05:19.

you will see, going into the general election, UKIP have stated they want

:05:20.:05:22.

to get 20 seat at the general election, is that there'll be more

:05:23.:05:27.

scrutiny of their policies. Nigel Farage has been saying this is

:05:28.:05:30.

beyond... I'm talking ability you, Labour? But it comes to us because

:05:31.:05:36.

this is about policy, how it's going to affect your viewers' lives, is it

:05:37.:05:41.

going to affect them. But I'm asking how you plan to get the voters back.

:05:42.:05:45.

Is Ed Balls right when he says that you need to be clearer, talk more

:05:46.:05:49.

about immigration? We have been talking about immigration. He's

:05:50.:05:53.

talking about... Saying he'll toughen up on border control, we'll

:05:54.:05:57.

ensure people are counted in and out, he'll stop the exploitation of

:05:58.:06:01.

workers which is bad for migrant Labour because they get exploited,

:06:02.:06:05.

it's bad for Labour in this country because they get undercut. He's

:06:06.:06:10.

going to do things about that. All of the parties have been losing

:06:11.:06:14.

support to UKIP, but what UKIP has become is a repository for people's

:06:15.:06:18.

anger within the economy and the political system. I wouldn't deny,

:06:19.:06:22.

by the why there are people who vote UKIP because they believe they have

:06:23.:06:25.

got strong views on the European Union, but above and beyond, it's

:06:26.:06:29.

about people's discontent. You are slightly guessing, but I wonder if

:06:30.:06:32.

you have got a credibility problem in terms of what you did on

:06:33.:06:35.

immigration whilst you were in Government because, as you touched

:06:36.:06:41.

upon it, you have got a lot of policies that perhaps working class

:06:42.:06:44.

people would support the minimum wadge for example, zero hour

:06:45.:06:49.

contract, rent, all those thing, yet you are losing those people towel

:06:50.:06:54.

kip. That is a problem vsmt people tuned you out because they don't

:06:55.:07:01.

trust you on immigration `` people to UKIP. That is the problem. If you

:07:02.:07:11.

looked at Labour's vote between 1997 and 2005, we lost four to five

:07:12.:07:15.

million vote, including in heartland areas. Part of the problem was that

:07:16.:07:21.

the massive explosion in globalisation, technological change

:07:22.:07:24.

passed many communities by. If we say for example got rid of the

:07:25.:07:28.

Eastern European immigrants, pulled out the EU as UKIP suggests, would

:07:29.:07:32.

it solve the problem that so many of our businesses... Nigel Farage is

:07:33.:07:36.

right though, if you stay within the EU, you cannot control legitimate

:07:37.:07:41.

immigration? That is the problem isn't it? That's not right. There

:07:42.:07:45.

was a habitual residents test which you have to be able to comply with

:07:46.:07:49.

to claim benefits, you have to be able to show that you can work here

:07:50.:07:52.

for example. What I'm saying is, if all those Eastern Europeans that he

:07:53.:07:57.

talks about often in very unfavourable ways and nasty horrible

:07:58.:08:01.

terms, if they left our country, would the businesses be able to

:08:02.:08:05.

recruit people with the skills they need, no, because we need to sort

:08:06.:08:10.

out the skills system, to get more engineering and technical skills for

:08:11.:08:13.

young people and apprenticeships. UKIP in a way are subject to a test

:08:14.:08:19.

that we are not subject to. UKIP say to people, you are angry, we are

:08:20.:08:23.

angry too and that builds support. The job for prospective parties of

:08:24.:08:26.

Government is to come up with solutions and I want your viewers,

:08:27.:08:29.

their children who're watching this programme, I want to ensure they

:08:30.:08:33.

have got the right skills that our businesses need. That the solution.

:08:34.:08:38.

Sure but you are only 12 months out from an election. Why aren't you

:08:39.:08:42.

doing better? Do you think part of the reason is, Graham Stringer was

:08:43.:08:46.

critical of the strategy and the way the leadership's been directing the

:08:47.:08:49.

party and communicating with the public, do you have an Ed Miliband

:08:50.:08:52.

problem? I don't accept the picture you are painting. I've got lots of

:08:53.:08:58.

respect for Graham but let's not forget in May 2010, if you asked

:08:59.:09:02.

people whether Labour could be a one`term opposition, they would have

:09:03.:09:06.

laughed at you. People are seriously considering us as a proposition for

:09:07.:09:11.

Government next year now. We put on around 2,000 councillors before we

:09:12.:09:15.

went in. Sure, you made that point. Address the point about Ed Miliband

:09:16.:09:18.

because... I don't think... YouGov were saying they done polling, 56%

:09:19.:09:23.

of people saying they think he looks and sounds a bit weird. Poll goes up

:09:24.:09:30.

and down. What matters is. He's at the lowest in terms of possible

:09:31.:09:34.

ratings. Is that part of the problem? Yes.

:09:35.:09:40.

I will talk to you about how we put on 10% more. I talked to you about

:09:41.:09:47.

how we have dealt with things we need to do. I'm asking why you are

:09:48.:09:51.

not further ahead in the polls in two sets of elections after four

:09:52.:09:55.

years of austerity and I'm asking you is it to do partly with your

:09:56.:10:01.

leader? No, it's not. I ask you to remember, we went down to the second

:10:02.:10:06.

worst defeat in 2010 and we have sought to rebuild. That's what we

:10:07.:10:08.

have done. Approached this with humility in light of the big defeat

:10:09.:10:13.

we went down to in 2010. Safe in the knowledge that we have got to do

:10:14.:10:18.

even better than already to win next year. You will have pored over the

:10:19.:10:23.

weekend papers and seen your name mentioned as a possible successor to

:10:24.:10:27.

Ed Miliband, does that interest you? Not at all. I backed his leadership

:10:28.:10:31.

campaign before anybody thought he could become the leader of the

:10:32.:10:34.

Labour Party because I thought he was the one who was best qualified

:10:35.:10:37.

to become Prime Minister. That is still the case and any talk of soap

:10:38.:10:42.

opera nonsense that you get around this place is totally

:10:43.:10:46.

self`indulgent. What everybody is focussed on in the Labour Party is

:10:47.:10:49.

ensuring that we have Ed Miliband as our Prime Minister this time in next

:10:50.:10:53.

year to deliver a better tomorrow for your viewers. They've for your

:10:54.:10:57.

time here on BBC News. `` thank you very much for your time here on BBC

:10:58.:11:00.

News. We'll wait to hear from Nick Clegg. Still haven't heard from him.

:11:01.:11:05.

We heard from Tim Farron through the night in terms of their reaction to

:11:06.:11:08.

the devastating results for the Liberal Democrats, but the Prime

:11:09.:11:11.

Minister has been speaking in the last hour or so, and David Cameron

:11:12.:11:15.

said that people are deeply disillusioned with the EU. Let us

:11:16.:11:18.

hear that. I think the results show a very

:11:19.:11:23.

clear message which is people are deeply disillusioned with the

:11:24.:11:25.

European Union, the way that it's working and working for Britain and

:11:26.:11:29.

they want change. The challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that

:11:30.:11:34.

we have the plan to deliver that change, to renegotiate Britain's

:11:35.:11:37.

place in Europe, to get a better deal for Britain, to change Europe

:11:38.:11:41.

and then to put the choice to the British people in an in`out

:11:42.:11:44.

referendum before the end of 2017. That is what we'll do and the real

:11:45.:11:49.

test for that plan will come at the next general election. There are

:11:50.:11:53.

people saying that people voting for UKIP aren't necessarily just

:11:54.:11:55.

interested in Europe and that this is a kicking of the major parties,

:11:56.:11:59.

on the other hand perhaps you are completely out of touch on the

:12:00.:12:01.

issues that people really care about? Well, people use elections

:12:02.:12:05.

like this to send messages to the Government and the message on Europe

:12:06.:12:08.

I absolutely receive and understand which is people want change in

:12:09.:12:13.

Europe. Of course after a long and difficult recession, people do have

:12:14.:12:16.

other things they are frustrated about. Them to see more jobs, they

:12:17.:12:20.

want to see higher living standards and see us complete our long`term

:12:21.:12:24.

economic plan and I see that as a demand for us to deliver and we've

:12:25.:12:29.

got to demonstrate that tackling immigration, reforming welfare,

:12:30.:12:32.

getting Britain's place right in Europe, all of these things are part

:12:33.:12:36.

of our long`term economic plan that has seen an increase in the number

:12:37.:12:41.

of people in work, taxes cut, the deficit down, but there's a lot more

:12:42.:12:44.

to do. How do you feel about UKIP now? I know you are sticking to the

:12:45.:12:48.

line that really a vote next year is just for a Conservative Government.

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But realistically, isn't a pact a good idea?

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I believe we can win the next election outright and we should put

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in front of people our message which is let's complete the long`term

:13:02.:13:03.

economic plan which is turning this country around. So we can win that

:13:04.:13:06.

election, we are going to have to work harder, do more and convince

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more people and that is what I'll be spending my time doing this next 350

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days. One question about Nick Clegg. He's looking vulnerable. He is your

:13:16.:13:18.

Deputy Prime Minister. days. One question about Nick Clegg.

:13:19.:13:19.

He's looking vulnerable. He Where does in all leave the coalition,

:13:20.:13:24.

especially if he goes? Well, the coal six a sfroning Government

:13:25.:13:26.

that's delivering for Britain, particularly in terms of turning

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round our economy, getting people back to work, cutting tacks. That

:13:30.:13:34.

work will continue. People will be in no doubt, or should be in no

:13:35.:13:37.

doubt that we have a strong, determined Government with a clear

:13:38.:13:40.

plan and that plan continues. A coalition without Nick Clegg, how

:13:41.:13:43.

does that work though? Look, the Liberal Democrats, that's for them

:13:44.:13:48.

to decide themselves, I'm very clear, we have a strong coalition

:13:49.:13:52.

Government that is effectively changing our country, putting people

:13:53.:13:55.

back to work, cutting people eats taxes, getting the deficit down, we

:13:56.:13:59.

have a very clear plan. My job as Prime Minister is to stick to and

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deliver that plan. That's what I'll be working flat out doing over the

:14:04.:14:05.

next 350 days. The full Scottish result will be

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known until lunchtime, as no counting is permitted

:14:14.:14:16.

in the Western Isles on a Sunday. As it stands UKIP is on course to

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win its first Scottish while the SNP Significant, because when you look

:14:20.:14:33.

across the whole of the country, there is likely to be in UKIP

:14:34.:14:40.

presence. That is right. You cannot talk about a political earthquake in

:14:41.:14:44.

Scotland, because UKIP support is nowhere near what it is in other

:14:45.:14:48.

parts of the UK, but you could certainly say, Andy suggested, that

:14:49.:14:55.

it looks as though UKIP will have representation in Scotland as well

:14:56.:14:58.

as the rest of the UK, and that is a bit of a surprise for the

:14:59.:15:03.

established parties in Scotland. One of the big pictures before polling

:15:04.:15:08.

day last week was, vote for us to keep UKIP out of Scotland, and that

:15:09.:15:14.

appeal has failed to some extent and means that the SNP has some

:15:15.:15:19.

explaining to do as to how it is that this right`wing party seems to

:15:20.:15:24.

have gained some significance in a part of the UK and Scotland which is

:15:25.:15:27.

generally seen as being more left`wing than the rest of the

:15:28.:15:31.

country. People cannot have voted without

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thinking about the referendum, that is not that far away. Is there

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anything from these sets of results in the way people have voted that

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will perhaps any of the parties would be looking at them and

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thinking, idea like the way that has gone? If you look at the governing

:15:52.:15:58.

party in Scotland, their votes has held up, 29%, as it was more or less

:15:59.:16:03.

in 2009, so there is some comfort for them there. Labour's that has

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gone up and the Tory's that has gone up marginally. The Liberal Democrats

:16:11.:16:14.

are in sixth place below the Green Party and UKIP. To some extent,

:16:15.:16:20.

people's votes will have been polarized if they are thinking about

:16:21.:16:24.

the vote in the `` referendum in September. If they `` it is very

:16:25.:16:34.

difficult to extrapolate, because you cannot say that if you are

:16:35.:16:39.

voting SNP if you are in favour of independence, but all of the main

:16:40.:16:42.

parties will take some comfort from the fact that there votes have held

:16:43.:16:48.

up generally, apart from the Lib Dems, since 2009.

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In Wales, Labour narrowly came top in the polls,

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In terms of the story from Wales, the Tories won last time around in

:17:00.:17:15.

2009, so a big turnaround. It is a curious mix of all change, and as

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the shutter and the four Welsh seats in the European Parliament remained

:17:23.:17:33.

in the hands of Labour and UKIP. That is `` but look beyond that and

:17:34.:17:38.

there are have been some very big indeed in the number of votes, the

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share of the votes that each of those four parties have had. In

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2009, the Conservatives topped the poll, and this time it is Labour, no

:17:48.:17:52.

surprise there, very much in line with what the opinion polls were

:17:53.:17:57.

suggesting. But Labour has fallen considerably short of the number of

:17:58.:18:02.

votes it needed to win two seats in the European Parliament for Wales,

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that is the gold that was set, and they have not reached that. By

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contrast, UKIP are delighted, because they came second in Wales,

:18:12.:18:16.

just a whisker behind Labour, 0.6% of the vote, in fact. Throughout the

:18:17.:18:22.

campaign, UKIP had been saying they thought they had a chance of topping

:18:23.:18:28.

the poll in Wales. They very nearly did do that. 4500 votes short of

:18:29.:18:36.

what Labour had tallied. In 2009, UKIP had surprised even themselves,

:18:37.:18:40.

I think, by winning a seat in Wales, a contrast with last night

:18:41.:18:46.

where they came ahead of the Conservatives comfortably. The

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Conservatives have slipped back from 2009, in which they topped the polls

:18:49.:18:53.

in Wales, the first time in a very long time, the first time since 1918

:18:54.:19:02.

that Labour had not topped the poll. There were some polls suggesting

:19:03.:19:06.

that one party was in danger of losing its seat in the European

:19:07.:19:12.

element. Jill Evans is the party's and she been since 1999 and she is

:19:13.:19:18.

going to keep her seat. The `` the party's MEP. Things have really been

:19:19.:19:27.

shaken up. Let's have a look at a European story that's emerged. Let's

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look in`depth at what across Europe. Let's had to Brussels. An emergency

:19:50.:19:55.

cabinet meeting this morning. Yes, big shock in the UK and in France,

:19:56.:20:02.

where the national front is shaking things up for stop the president's

:20:03.:20:08.

own front has had its worst showing ever in European elections. But

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don't know if you can see behind me, the this is the up`to`date results

:20:14.:20:19.

here at the European Parliament. They are showing that the two big

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blocks, 214 on the right, 189 on the left, they are all pro`integration

:20:27.:20:40.

with the EU, and they are going to control the European Parliament. One

:20:41.:20:43.

insider said to me this morning that there might be a grand coalition

:20:44.:20:48.

that seeks to deepen the powers of the EU even further. We are not

:20:49.:20:53.

quite sure how much influence the insurgents can wield here, but they

:20:54.:20:56.

are certainly going to try to be disruptive. A first for the national

:20:57.:21:12.

front. One in four of the votes cast in France went to the

:21:13.:21:15.

anti`immigrant, far right party, a huge jump in support. The party's

:21:16.:21:21.

leader said that the sovereign people had spoken loudly and wanted

:21:22.:21:27.

to be masters of their own destiny. It was a vote against the unpopular

:21:28.:21:32.

socialist president but also against EU membership as well. The NT way

:21:33.:21:45.

macro Danish party `` when MEP meteor, they will be critical of...

:21:46.:21:52.

The mainstream centre`right and centerleft parties will have a voice

:21:53.:21:58.

here, but there will be a disruptive block of dissent.

:21:59.:22:03.

And they don't just come from the right. In Greece, a radical left

:22:04.:22:08.

party topped the poll. The country has been hardest hit by the

:22:09.:22:12.

austerity and one by opposing the cuts. The far right old and on came

:22:13.:22:19.

the third, winning MEP for the first time. There has been a backlash

:22:20.:22:22.

against Europe and immigration and it is the front national's win in

:22:23.:22:29.

France and the wind of UKIP in Britain that define this election.

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Let's go to France now, to our correspondent in Paris. An upsurge

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of anger against the establishment. How has the establishment reacted?

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Some gloomy faces around the establishment this morning. Good

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morning from Paris. You might agonize that big thing behind me.

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This was the scene of a massacre during the Revolution, and some

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might see a massacre in these figures for the two mainstream

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parties. There have been some revolutionary ideas about the way

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the French feel about Europe at the moment. It is not just a regional

:23:12.:23:15.

result, it is right across the country, they finished top, 17%

:23:16.:23:20.

around the country, and they have taken the bulk of the working`class

:23:21.:23:25.

vote and 30% of the votes of people who are under 35. Let's have a

:23:26.:23:29.

closer look at these figures and how they break down. 25.41% of the vote,

:23:30.:23:37.

a huge surge for the front national. They had just three seats

:23:38.:23:42.

in the European Parliament and now they will have between 23 and 25.

:23:43.:23:48.

The party of the former president Nicolas Sarkozy went down to 20%.

:23:49.:23:56.

They have lost between eight and ten seats. Just look at the socialists.

:23:57.:24:06.

A lamentable performance. A real crisis mode within the Socialist

:24:07.:24:09.

Party at the moment. They have lost between three and four seats. A

:24:10.:24:14.

crisis meeting of the cabinet this meet `` morning. The headline coming

:24:15.:24:19.

out of that is they are going to try and cut taxes for middle and lower

:24:20.:24:23.

income families. How they are going to do that, goodness only knows.

:24:24.:24:29.

They are under pressure from Brussels to cut this deficit that

:24:30.:24:33.

they have here in France. Lots of things to think about. Prices on the

:24:34.:24:39.

left and right. `` crises. Immigration will be looked at, and

:24:40.:24:44.

to think what you will get in that Parliament building behind you is a

:24:45.:24:48.

block of French parliamentarians who really want reform, not just the

:24:49.:24:53.

national front, but the UNP as well, and they are going to what answers

:24:54.:25:02.

in the months ahead. We are about to move to Berlin, but let me show you

:25:03.:25:05.

what is happening behind us. This is the leadership of one of the big

:25:06.:25:10.

parties, the party of European Socialists, and they are talking

:25:11.:25:14.

about what they do next, they are talking about growth, the need to

:25:15.:25:17.

make themselves relevant economically. We are going to take

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you to Berlin, where our correspondent has been watching the

:25:22.:25:24.

results. It was not the insurgent earthquake, but it was an

:25:25.:25:29.

interesting alternative. Not an earthquake but certainly a

:25:30.:25:32.

tremor, something for Chancellor Merkel to think about. And in the

:25:33.:25:40.

euro party got 70% of the votes, and that gets it into the political

:25:41.:25:45.

system, if you like, so there is a strong view that the euro has had

:25:46.:25:48.

its day. The majority parties remain. The voice is now in there.

:25:49.:25:56.

What does it mean for Britain? If the debate in Germany was two years

:25:57.:26:03.

ago, about how much power should go from Berlin to Brussels, in other

:26:04.:26:05.

words, an assumption that the movement was all in that direction,

:26:06.:26:10.

the presence of alternative for Deutsche land Dean's that will slow

:26:11.:26:16.

at that the `` means that will slow that process up. Angela Merkel knows

:26:17.:26:20.

there is skepticism about integration and that might make her

:26:21.:26:24.

more amenable to phone calls from David Cameron to do something about

:26:25.:26:28.

that process. On top of that, because of a change in the rules

:26:29.:26:33.

here, we have got a whole host of very small parties, all getting one

:26:34.:26:38.

seat. The far right have got one seat, some call them neo`Nazis, but

:26:39.:26:43.

they deny that, but they are certainly extreme right and they

:26:44.:26:51.

will have one seat. A party called the party, it gets one seat. The

:26:52.:26:55.

German contribution to the parliaments will be very mixed and

:26:56.:27:01.

very different ends very much harder to predict in its behaviour.

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Just briefly, you have talked about the way that Angela Merkel might be

:27:09.:27:12.

speaking with David Cameron, but you also have to think about the Franco

:27:13.:27:17.

German access at the heart of the European Union, and the French

:27:18.:27:19.

people are saying they would like to pull back.

:27:20.:27:23.

The one thing that comes from the governing party this year is, this

:27:24.:27:29.

morning, is dismayed about the situation in France, and I thing

:27:30.:27:32.

that will make Angela Merkel think, we really do need prison within the

:27:33.:27:39.

European Union, and also, how do we get this position of the euro back

:27:40.:27:44.

when there is this jaundiced view across the whole of the continent,

:27:45.:27:48.

this you that something has gone out later on, that's the direction has

:27:49.:27:51.

been a bit too fast in the wrong direction.

:27:52.:27:57.

Thank you very much. Just referring to what is happening behind me, what

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is being said by the party of European Socialists, is that their

:28:03.:28:05.

candidate for the president of the European Commission is a centerleft

:28:06.:28:10.

candidate and they want him to get that position that we have heard

:28:11.:28:17.

only a few minutes and the candidate on the centre`right says, it is my

:28:18.:28:21.

turn. There is haggling for the top jobs that could help design the

:28:22.:28:26.

weight Europe goes over the next five years.

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Thank you very much. Plenty more from around Europe and the major

:28:37.:28:47.

capitals in the next few moments. Ed Miliband giving his reaction to last

:28:48.:28:51.

night's results. Labour made good progress pushing the Tories into

:28:52.:28:54.

third place for the first time ever in a national election.

:28:55.:28:58.

But I think what last night also reflects, including among those who

:28:59.:29:02.

voted for UKIP, is a desire for Europe to work better for Britain

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and also a deep sense of discontent with the way this country is run and

:29:08.:29:11.

the way our economy works. I'm absolutely determined over the next

:29:12.:29:15.

year to show people that Labour can bring the change.

:29:16.:29:25.

Doesn't this tell you though it's time to think about offering the

:29:26.:29:29.

British public a referendum? We set our orposition for the election on

:29:30.:29:33.

the referendum. We'll have one if there's any transfer of power to the

:29:34.:29:36.

European Union. But I think these results go much deeper than what's

:29:37.:29:40.

happening in Europe. I think there are a lot about what's happening in

:29:41.:29:44.

Britain and that people think Britain doesn't work for them and

:29:45.:29:47.

our economy doesn't work for them. My priority as Prime Minister will

:29:48.:29:51.

be to tackle that and show we can tackle the big issues people worry

:29:52.:29:58.

about in this country. When you look at the turnout, you could say the

:29:59.:30:03.

winner was apathy, followed by Euro`Scepticism, people don't just

:30:04.:30:07.

want a referendum on power, but they want one on whether to be in Europe?

:30:08.:30:10.

I think you are right about the turnout. It's true that two thirds

:30:11.:30:14.

of people didn't vote. I think that's a sign that there is huge

:30:15.:30:18.

discontent with the political process and indeed all the party's

:30:19.:30:21.

standings from those that didn't vote. Our task is to show people

:30:22.:30:25.

that whether it's about their son or daughter getting a job, the

:30:26.:30:30.

cost`of`living crisis, the NHS, so many of the issues they are worried

:30:31.:30:34.

about that people talk to me around the country about, we cannance that

:30:35.:30:38.

call for change. It's all about changing Britain, that's what the

:30:39.:30:42.

Labour could would do `` can answer that call for change.

:30:43.:30:49.

There were people saying that you should have done better in the

:30:50.:30:55.

European elections. Do you take responsibility We won the local

:30:56.:30:58.

election, beat the Tories in the European elections, we were making

:30:59.:31:01.

gains in some of the key seats that we need to win for the general

:31:02.:31:04.

election. So these elections show Labour make program gross. We have

:31:05.:31:08.

got further to go and I'm absolutely determined we do that. Could you

:31:09.:31:11.

have done better and should you have? I think we did well from a

:31:12.:31:16.

party that in 2010 got one of its worst shares of the vote ever in an

:31:17.:31:21.

election. Labour is a party over the last few years that has been making

:31:22.:31:24.

progress. There's further to go but I believe we are in a position where

:31:25.:31:27.

we can win the general election. Are you election.` really on track for

:31:28.:31:32.

that though? The European elections and local election results don't put

:31:33.:31:36.

you in a strong enough position for a majority in Westminster next year.

:31:37.:31:39.

I think if you look in detail at what the results were in those local

:31:40.:31:43.

elections, you see that in lots of the key areas that we need to win

:31:44.:31:49.

right across Britain, they have been really important target seats.

:31:50.:31:52.

Labour was winning those key seats, if you look at the votes that were

:31:53.:31:56.

cast. I think that is a sign that Labour can win the general election,

:31:57.:32:00.

we have got further to go, but I'm determined that we do win.

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When you look at the big picture, the results show an electorate that

:32:05.:32:08.

in many ways is moving to the right. You are at the Head of A party which

:32:09.:32:12.

is in some ways moving to the left. Aren't you going the wrong way? I

:32:13.:32:19.

don't see it that way. I see deep discontent, a sense that it hasn't

:32:20.:32:26.

worked for people for some time now. People are asking whether any

:32:27.:32:30.

politician can turn it around. We are a party that says Britain

:32:31.:32:33.

does need to change, unlike the Conservatives who say everything's

:32:34.:32:37.

fixed and getting better. Our job over the next year is to show people

:32:38.:32:40.

that we can bring the change we need. We have convinced some people

:32:41.:32:43.

of that, we need to convince more of that. That's what I'm going to do.

:32:44.:32:47.

You seem to have done well in London in the sets of elections. You seem

:32:48.:32:54.

to be in tune with the country here, but less so beyond the capital.

:32:55.:32:57.

London in some ways save you from coming third in the European

:32:58.:33:01.

elections. Do you worry about how well you are

:33:02.:33:05.

doing outside London? It's a varying picture across the UK, as you saw at

:33:06.:33:10.

the local elections and the European elections last night. All I snow

:33:11.:33:15.

that across the country, people asking a similar question. They are

:33:16.:33:19.

asking questions about the future for their kids and whether they can

:33:20.:33:23.

make ends meet. They are asking about whether this

:33:24.:33:30.

country over a long period of time, why their hard work isn't being

:33:31.:33:34.

rewarded by life getting better. It's those questions that people

:33:35.:33:38.

were asking, and it's those fundamental questions that need to

:33:39.:33:40.

be answered and that's what I believe Labour will do.

:33:41.:33:43.

Finally, this has been an astonishing result for UKIP, topping

:33:44.:33:48.

a national pole without having a single MP. Would you like to

:33:49.:33:52.

congratulate Nige feel Raj? Of course I will congratulate him on

:33:53.:33:57.

winning the elections. I think the questions that will be asked about

:33:58.:34:00.

UKIP in the year ahead towards the general election is where they stand

:34:01.:34:04.

on some of the major issues that will be decided in a general

:34:05.:34:08.

election, where they stand on taxation and spending and the

:34:09.:34:10.

National Health Service, those questions will be asked of UKIP. But

:34:11.:34:15.

I think the task for Labour is to understand lessons of the elections

:34:16.:34:20.

and show that we can answer that desire for change. Many people

:34:21.:34:24.

voting for UKIP will say we are discontent with the way the country

:34:25.:34:27.

works and we are asking whether politics can answer that. I intend

:34:28.:34:29.

to show we can. Thank you very much.

:34:30.:34:35.

Ed Miliband there with his reaction to the results, saying there was

:34:36.:34:39.

deep discontent within the country. Our job, he said, is to show people

:34:40.:34:42.

we can bring the change. He was asked about the referendum position,

:34:43.:34:49.

no change in that position. We heard Graeme Stringer earlier urging him

:34:50.:34:52.

to trust the people. He said there would be no referendum unless there

:34:53.:35:01.

was a transfer of power. He was asked should he have done

:35:02.:35:05.

better and he made the point there's further to go, they are making

:35:06.:35:08.

progress he thought and he said they could still win the general

:35:09.:35:11.

election. Those the headline thoughts from the Labour leader.

:35:12.:35:14.

We'll have more from here in the coming minutes.

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Let's catch up with the weather. Boar Thank you. A contrast in

:35:24.:35:27.

weather conditions this Bank Holiday Monday. Northern areas seeing

:35:28.:35:32.

sunshine. Many areas will be unsettled with

:35:33.:35:37.

rain at times, breezy in the east. The best of the conditions will be

:35:38.:35:40.

across the extreme north and west of the UK. You have the rain across

:35:41.:35:44.

central southern areas into the south`east. Heavy bursts mixed in,

:35:45.:35:49.

but gradually it will fragment. Sunshine developing to spark off

:35:50.:35:52.

heavy showers, there are certainly some across Scotland and Northern

:35:53.:35:56.

Ireland, into the south`west, some thundery and slow`moving too.

:35:57.:36:00.

Tonight, a few showers still around, but the focus will be the rain

:36:01.:36:06.

moving in off the near continue tent into the counties.

:36:07.:36:17.

Breezy and cool down the East Coast. In the sunshine further west, it

:36:18.:36:22.

will feel warm with a top temperature of 18.

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We are taking stock of those We are taking stock of those

:36:33.:36:39.

European elections results And analysing what it mean force the

:36:40.:36:42.

main parties. We'll have reaction from across Europe in a moment, but

:36:43.:36:46.

if you are just joining us, welcome, we'll take you through.

:36:47.:36:51.

Nige feel Raj #15ied the dream has become a reality.

:36:52.:36:55.

Startling performance from UKIP in the European elections.

:36:56.:37:02.

23 MEPs with a 27% share of the vote. He said that was the most

:37:03.:37:06.

extraordinary result in British politics for 100 years. Now, the

:37:07.:37:12.

Liberal Democrats, they have faced almost wipe out, only winning one

:37:13.:37:19.

MEP, they have been pushed into fifth. Labour have made gains, only

:37:20.:37:24.

just ahead to the vote share of the Conservatives.

:37:25.:37:32.

UKIP making a gain of 10 MEPs in those seats that they have won. So

:37:33.:37:38.

those the results in so far. Still waiting for the results in the

:37:39.:37:41.

Northern Ireland and in Scotland. In Scotland we expect the results to

:37:42.:37:47.

come in around lunch time. Let's get the thoughts of Norman Smith and

:37:48.:37:52.

Norman, what is your analysis of the results we have had?

:37:53.:37:59.

Well, a huge, huge triumph, very obviously, for UKIP who now say they

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believe they are on course for seats at the general election and may even

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hold the balance of power. Whether it's an earthquake, we'll

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have to see, but the tea cups are rattling and the ground is shaking.

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Let's be honest, this is not a general election.

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Half of UKIP's supporters say they'll stick with them at the

:38:31.:38:35.

general election. That means their support goes down to 14% which makes

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it harder to win seats at a general election and we know his forically

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the first`past`the`post system is there, on top of which they are

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going to have to talk about other policies. They can't keep going on

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about Europe or immigration. policies. They can't keep going on

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about Europe They are going to have to come forward with issues on the

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NHS and the economy. That means they'll be far more open.

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Many Farage has already indicate head knows he cannot go on as a

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one`man band. But they are going to have to develop a broader range of

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credible, individuals, so there's still an awfully long way for you

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dip go. `` UKIP to go. Be in no doubt, they have caused three main

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parties huge disquiet and unease as they ponder what on earth they do

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and how they respond to the UKIP challenge. We have heard some of

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that. We listened to Ed Miliband, we have heard the Prime Minister

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earlier and we are waiting to hear from Nick Clegg after almost wipe

:39:43.:39:46.

out in these elections on top of what happened on Friday. Is it

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survivalable for him? `` survivable for him? I think things are perhaps

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more ominous for him than those around him appear to appreciate.

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Over the past few hours, we have heard from the party, like Paddy

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Ashdown and Tim Farron rallying round. It seems there is much more

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significant discontent and I've learned that the Liberal Democrat

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Parliamentary candidate, Helen Flynn, standing in the target seat

:40:22.:40:25.

of Harrogate, she's also added her voice to those calling on Nick Clegg

:40:26.:40:31.

to stand down. We have had three Lib Dem Parliamentary candidates who've

:40:32.:40:34.

gone public with demands for her to break ranks. Why I say it's more

:40:35.:40:40.

serious for Nick Clegg than he might realise is this is not an accident,

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there is a degree of coordination going on here and through the day, I

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expect we'll see other Liberal Democrats breaking cover to votes

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their view that the reason the Liberal Democrats did so badly last

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night and in the locals was very largely because of Nick Clegg who's

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toxic. They regard him as a leader who must take responsibility and

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accountability for last night's results and my sense is that we will

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see a carefully collaborated attempt to crank up the pressure on him.

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Will we see MPs coming forward to demand he goes? We may. I'm being

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told we should expect others to break cover. That suggests to me

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that there is now a view, certain think grass roots, maybe in sections

:41:25.:41:27.

of the Parliamentary party, that it's time for Nick Clegg to go.

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That's very interesting. We'll watch that through the course of the day.

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Norman Smith at headquarters, thank you very much for now. Let's get the

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thoughts of Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green in England and

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Wales who is with me now. You made a gain last night. We did indeed. I'm

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very pleased that we have elected the south`west. This is a great gain

:41:53.:41:58.

and a step forward for us and we are seeing Green Party member numbers

:41:59.:42:01.

grow fast. We have a positive message from last night. Is that

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something you anticipated, to push the Liberal Democrats into fifth?

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That is what we were hearing. There was deep satisfaction as the vote

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shows. We are offering a positive change in

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a Society of Politics that workforce a common good, not just for the good

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of some. The UKIP vote will force the other main parties to change, is

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it not? The signs are encouraging. What they have been doing up to now

:42:39.:42:42.

is chasing after UKIP on issues ranging from immigration to climate

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change. They have been trying to out UKIP. We say we have to stand up to

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UKIP. The free movement of people in the European Union, for example, is

:42:52.:42:54.

a good thing, to be celebrate and they climate change is here, a

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reality and we need to act. That makes you, on the first point

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certainly, out of kilter with the vast swathe to have public that

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voted. You've saw how they voted yesterday? I think we have to look

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at what this vote was. It was a vote against things and a vote being

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driven by fear. How do you know that? Well... People might have

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looked at the literature, listened to the policies and thought, I like

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the sound of that? Mr Farage doesn't have any policies, but we hear on

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the doorstep saying I'm voting you dip give Labour a kicking. If you

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look at the statistics, the in`out referendum, people said they wanted

:43:37.:43:42.

to stay in Europe, 37% were against `` I'm voting UKIP to give Labour a

:43:43.:43:45.

kicking. A quick question of how you think

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the results and what happens in Brussels and Strasbourg, how you

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think it will work there now. You have a lot of antiestablishment

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representation there, people who almost want to bring the thing down?

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Yes. So what do you think the effect of that is going to be in terms of

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how the whole system works? I think that's going to be difficult. It's a

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problem and Beale there as Greens fighting on the proposal of US free

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trade deal and fighting to protect and improve environmental standards.

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I think what we are looking at is potentially creative chaos, just as

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if the Scots vote yes in the referendum, we are in a period of

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rapid, massive change that. Opens possibilities up `` that opens up

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lots of possibilities. Do you think things will slow down in the

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European Parliament? Let's have a look at how there has

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been a big vote for the establishment parties of the right.

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Let's jump around and see how those have gone in countries. Let's see

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what our correspondent in Athens has to say. What has the reaction been?

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It is very much the anti`austerity parties that have done well here in

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Greece, unsurprisingly considering that Greek people have been feeling

:45:32.:45:36.

the pain of austerity perhaps more than most. We have the left`wing

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party which has done particularly well, top of the polls in the

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European elections. It now has six MEPs, and its whole message has been

:45:46.:45:50.

about fighting austerity, and its leader has said that this proves

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that the people of Greece want a change and they want to push for

:45:55.:45:58.

early elections, and he will be meeting with the President of Greece

:45:59.:46:03.

sometime this lunchtime to discuss the possibility of that. It is not

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clear whether he will get what he is after. The Prime Minister, of new

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democracy, which came second, does not want there to be early elections

:46:13.:46:16.

in Greece, and we have been hearing in local media that he is likely to

:46:17.:46:20.

have a reshuffle sometime this week in response to these results. On the

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other side of the political spectrum we have Golden Dawn, who are seen in

:46:28.:46:31.

Greece as being a neo`Nazi party, but they are denying that. Their

:46:32.:46:37.

leader and some of the other politicians and the party are in

:46:38.:46:40.

jail and are being accused of being a criminal organisation. The

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political `` people have voted for them and they now have three MEP in

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the European Parliament and they are seen as being so right wing that

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even Marine Le Pen in France has said she would not want to work with

:46:57.:46:59.

them, so you certainly have both sides of the political spectrum here

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in Greece getting votes from people who have been feeling the pain of

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austerity and have been expressing that through the polls. Now we will

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see what is going on there. Poland see what is going on there. Poland

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is questioning itself, however in the European figure, just how he

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could get enough votes to send for MEP to Parliament. He is hugely

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controversial in this country. He is a self`proclaimed monarchist and

:47:35.:47:38.

thinks democracy is stupid. He has said that women are less intelligent

:47:39.:47:42.

than men so they should not be allowed to vote. There is really no

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outright winner in this country and stop the centre`right governing

:47:47.:47:52.

party is tied practically neck and neck with the Conservative

:47:53.:47:56.

opposition party. There is barely a percentage points between them and

:47:57.:48:00.

they are both sending 19 MEPs to Brussels. Arguably, the leader of

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the opposition party, he is saying that they have won because they

:48:08.:48:12.

gained MEPs, said they will be sending those 19 MEPs to boost the

:48:13.:48:17.

figures of the European Conservatives and reformists. The

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leader of the Civic platform, although they have lost MEPs, they

:48:22.:48:25.

are going together with another centre`right party and they will be

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sending 23 MEPs to support the European people's party, so they are

:48:32.:48:35.

saying that they have one, however there is no real winner, and with

:48:36.:48:41.

the turnout once again low, 23% bothering to turn up, and it is

:48:42.:48:45.

gloriously sunny here, but no`one is really the winner here in this

:48:46.:48:49.

country. Let's find out what the situation is like in Italy. On a

:48:50.:48:55.

night when Eurosceptics were prospering in so many parts of the

:48:56.:48:59.

continent, a night when so many parties in power were in retreat,

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here in Rome, the Prime Minister and his pro`European Democratic Party,

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but `` bucked that trend and eight grand style. They went far bigger

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than any pollster had dared to predict. They handed a defeat of

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something like 20 points to their rivals in the Euro five star

:49:22.:49:25.

movement. The movement went into something rather like the Nile

:49:26.:49:30.

through the night as its world collapsed around it. The leader had

:49:31.:49:39.

promised his supporters victory, but he broke cover later this morning to

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thank those 5 million or more people who did vote for his party, and he

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urged them to take a look at a rigid Kipling poem, which said, if you

:49:50.:49:54.

can't beat triumph and disaster and treat those both the same, not much

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more he could give in terms of advice. The Prime Minister emerges

:50:02.:50:06.

from this that very much strengthened and has a purl

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fulminate now to push through `` very much strengthened. He is

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talking about pulling Italy out of what he calls a quiet buyer. Back to

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you in London. Thank you.

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Let's talk more now on what impact the election results

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With me are Robert Oxley from Business for Britain and Lucy Thomas

:50:38.:50:41.

What we have seen here is a huge message about change. The voters who

:50:42.:50:53.

have voted over the weekend have chosen parties which are offering a

:50:54.:50:58.

referendum. The party which offered no change, they have been decimated

:50:59.:51:03.

alike twirly, so something is going to change. I've think that is partly

:51:04.:51:11.

right. `` decimated entirely. I've think that is partly right. If you

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look at recent polling, a majority of people are going to remain ``

:51:17.:51:26.

wants to remain in the EU. You want a better deal for Britain. Very

:51:27.:51:29.

clearly and simply, what is that deal, what do you want that there is

:51:30.:51:35.

not now? A better deal involves less regulation from the EU, a more

:51:36.:51:40.

competitive EU, and a Britain where British business, often you have to

:51:41.:51:43.

comply with all of the regulations of the single market but don't ever

:51:44.:51:47.

use it, so there is scope for change, and there could be in and to

:51:48.:51:54.

the union side of things. With the euros in crisis and an increased

:51:55.:51:57.

number of euros in countries working as a block, there needs to be...

:51:58.:52:05.

There needs to be a lock on that. In terms of the referendum, would it

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help or hinder to bring it forward to 2016? The timing is important. A

:52:10.:52:15.

referendum will be a component of renegotiation. If it is Ed Miliband

:52:16.:52:21.

or David Cameron, a referendum on have to be offered probably. If they

:52:22.:52:26.

go to the EU trying to get a change in our relationship, they will need

:52:27.:52:29.

a referendum in their back pocket to ensure they are taken seriously.

:52:30.:52:35.

Talking about directives from Brussels, apparently, the debates in

:52:36.:52:38.

Holland were dominated by vacuum cleaners after a directive that the

:52:39.:52:47.

power of section, it baffles many people. In urgent need for reform at

:52:48.:52:50.

the very least, isn't there? Absolutely. Businesses all across

:52:51.:52:58.

the country say that. Nobody thinks that the EU works perfectly. There

:52:59.:53:04.

has been over regulation, and something has to change. There has

:53:05.:53:08.

to be more listening to medium and small sized enterprises. You have to

:53:09.:53:13.

think about the impact on small businesses. The impact assessments

:53:14.:53:19.

have been done within the European Commission and that is not right, it

:53:20.:53:22.

needs to be independent, so there has to be much more thoughts about

:53:23.:53:26.

the impact of regulations, and when national governments disagree with

:53:27.:53:30.

things, they have to listen to, at the moment, the European Commission

:53:31.:53:36.

doesn't listen to them. How much do you think this is a reflection of

:53:37.:53:42.

basic economics? The first test after the global crash, the crisis

:53:43.:53:47.

within the eurozone, is there a chance that, actually, as there is

:53:48.:53:52.

sustained economic growth in the eurozone and people feel better off,

:53:53.:53:57.

some of these issues recede? Yes, I think that is right. This has been a

:53:58.:54:01.

momentous time over the last Parliament with Greece, Spain and

:54:02.:54:06.

others. Adopt the people particularly like that `` I don't

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think people particularly like that. I've think it is wrong to give a

:54:14.:54:19.

blanket of inclusion about all of the results. The problem with groups

:54:20.:54:23.

like Lucy's is that they have been behind the curve of what the British

:54:24.:54:29.

ones. The British public are not the silent majority of businesses have

:54:30.:54:33.

wanted a change, so I think that is ready movement is going, and

:54:34.:54:37.

clearly, a referendum is going to be on the agenda, and you have big

:54:38.:54:41.

business, along with other enterprises... They can just park

:54:42.:54:47.

themselves somewhere else. They do want a change in the polling shows

:54:48.:54:52.

that more people across a broad range of businesses find that the

:54:53.:54:58.

regulations coming out of the single market are worse than benefits, so

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there is a change, and that is what the polling reflects. We have run

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out of time. Thank you very much. We will have plenty more analysis here

:55:08.:55:11.

in the next few moments. It is creeping up to the top of the hour,

:55:12.:55:15.

so we will pause for a moment or two to find out what the weather is

:55:16.:55:16.

doing. For the week ahead, there will be

:55:17.:55:33.

rain pushing in from the east. Across eastern areas it will feel

:55:34.:55:36.

cool towards the north and west of the UK. To start off with, you can

:55:37.:55:42.

see on the radar, this rain that has moved off the continent, heavy rain

:55:43.:55:46.

in the South East corners will continue to come into the Midlands.

:55:47.:55:52.

As we head into towards the afternoon, it will continue to frag

:55:53.:55:57.

meant, some heavy bursts, Sean Murray bursts, I should say,

:55:58.:56:06.

certainly the case `` Shari bursts, I should say. Boundary sometime

:56:07.:56:16.

between the showers. The rain fragmenting. The sharp thundery

:56:17.:56:22.

sometimes. A bit of sunshine across eastern areas. Some heavy showers

:56:23.:56:31.

for the afternoon. The showers continue onto the evening. Your

:56:32.:56:37.

attention towards the eastern parts of England in the South East, the

:56:38.:56:41.

rain will become heavy and persistent in the latter part of the

:56:42.:56:45.

night, but with the clouds in the breeze, nowhere will be particularly

:56:46.:56:49.

cold tonight. Temperatures will be up to around 11 or 12 in the south.

:56:50.:56:55.

From Monday night onwards, an area of low pressure across the near

:56:56.:56:59.

continent which is associated to rain which will be persistent and

:57:00.:57:04.

heavy in eastern counties of England. The course of Tuesday, lots

:57:05.:57:10.

of rain is expected to fall in eastern counties. Localised flooding

:57:11.:57:13.

in places. The breeze will be lighter and there will be some

:57:14.:57:18.

around. Slow`moving, thundery showers. Temperatures will be in the

:57:19.:57:26.

mid to upper teens. On Wednesday, we continue to see that wet weather

:57:27.:57:32.

affecting west and central England. The best of the conditions will be

:57:33.:57:38.

in the north of Scotland in the South West corner. We will see some

:57:39.:57:42.

sunshine maybe a few showers again. Again. It'll be really wet on

:57:43.:57:46.

Tuesday and Wednesday across central parts. More details in an hour.

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Westminster. For the first time since 1910, neither Labour nor the

:58:35.:58:36.

Conservatives have won a nap election.

:58:37.:58:41.

The UK Independence Party is the big winner the European elections

:58:42.:58:47.

topping the poll with almost 28% of the vote.

:58:48.:58:52.

My dream's become a reality. Despite the onslaught we faced over the last

:58:53.:58:56.

few weeks as if the world was against us, the British public have

:58:57.:59:00.

stood firm and we have won a national election. David Cameron

:59:01.:59:03.

insists the Conservatives can win the next general election despite

:59:04.:59:07.

being pushed into third place as they are narrowly beaten by Labour.

:59:08.:59:12.

I believe we can win the next election outright and we should put

:59:13.:59:16.

in front of people our message which is, let's complete the long`term

:59:17.:59:19.

economic plan that is turning this country around.

:59:20.:59:23.

I think the results go much deeper than what's happening in Europe.

:59:24.:59:26.

There are a lot about what's happening in Britain and that people

:59:27.:59:29.

think that Britain doesn't work for them and our economy doesn't work

:59:30.:59:34.

for them. That's where the night's biggest losers, failing to hold on

:59:35.:59:38.

to all but one of their seats. Neither the Labour Party nor the

:59:39.:59:41.

Tories had the backbone to stand up to UKIP. We did. We have taken the

:59:42.:59:46.

unpopular side of an argument and we are being pubth punished, but I'll

:59:47.:59:49.

tell you what, I would do it all over again. Across Europe,

:59:50.:59:53.

Euro`sceptic and antiestablishment parties make big gains. In France,

:59:54.:59:56.

the far right National Front storms to victory.

:59:57.:00:01.

We will bring you all the latest reaction and developments live as

:00:02.:00:06.

they happen throughout the day. The other headlines:

:00:07.:00:11.

Pope Francis visits the most important holy sites for Muslims and

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Jews in Jerusalem's old city. Good morning live from Westminster.

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As the political world takes stock of those European election results.

:00:42.:00:47.

A dream has become reality says Nigel Farage as UKIP storms the

:00:48.:00:50.

European elections with a dramatic upsurge in the anti`EU vote.

:00:51.:00:56.

UKIP leader hails the results which saw the party take nearly 28% of the

:00:57.:01:01.

vote as extraordinary. It's sending shock waves through the

:01:02.:01:05.

other parties. UKIP has ten more MEPs, that's 23 seats in the

:01:06.:01:09.

European Parliament so far, results from Northern Ireland and Scotland

:01:10.:01:14.

are still to come. UKIP gains come largely at the

:01:15.:01:17.

expense of the Liberal Democrats. They had a dismal showing and lose

:01:18.:01:22.

all but one of their seats. The Conservative lost seven seats in

:01:23.:01:25.

Brussels, Labour gained seven but might have expected to do a lot

:01:26.:01:29.

better, just a year away from a general election.

:01:30.:01:32.

The results changed the political landscape. In 2009, the

:01:33.:01:35.

Conservatives held the biggest share of the vote, now though, UKIP

:01:36.:01:41.

dominates, according to its Deputy Leader, support for UKIP has long

:01:42.:01:43.

been dismissed as protest. It looked good for UKIP last night,

:01:44.:01:54.

toasting the results with champagne in mugs and having beaten their

:01:55.:02:01.

bigger rivals nationwide it looked even better to their leader this

:02:02.:02:05.

morning. My dream has become a reality. Despite the onslaught we

:02:06.:02:11.

faced as if the world was against us, the British public have stood

:02:12.:02:14.

firm and we have won a national election. I'm over the moon. Compare

:02:15.:02:18.

that with the fate and faces of the Liberal Democrats who were all but

:02:19.:02:23.

wiped out, left with a single MEP. It went wrong because there's a very

:02:24.:02:28.

febrile anti`European atmosphere in this country at the moment. There's

:02:29.:02:33.

a general disaffection with politics and politicians. Labour beat the

:02:34.:02:39.

Conservatives but only just. Everyone's wondering how Nigel

:02:40.:02:44.

Farage's party did so well. Of course I congratulate him on winning

:02:45.:02:47.

these elections. I think though the questions that will be asked about

:02:48.:02:50.

UKIP in the year ahead, as we come up to the general election, is where

:02:51.:02:54.

they stand on some of the major issues that will be decided at a

:02:55.:02:58.

general election, you know, where they stand on tax, spending, the

:02:59.:03:01.

National Health Service, those questions will be asked of UKIP.

:03:02.:03:05.

For the Conservatives in third place, similar questions.

:03:06.:03:10.

I think the results show a clear message which is, people are

:03:11.:03:13.

disillusioned with the European Union, with the way that it's

:03:14.:03:16.

working for Britain, and they want change.

:03:17.:03:20.

The challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that we have the plan to

:03:21.:03:25.

deliver that change. There were scuffles as the BNP

:03:26.:03:30.

arrived at Manchester Town Hall, but Nick Griffin had already been beaten

:03:31.:03:34.

by the voters. The big picture though, a UKIP triumph. The question

:03:35.:03:38.

is whether we'll see more of this at the general election.

:03:39.:03:48.

Let's speak to Naomi Smith from the national Lib Dem forum. Thank you

:03:49.:03:51.

very much for joining us for the Liberal Democrats. Pretty

:03:52.:03:55.

disastrous? Snklts utterly depressing. We woke up yesterday

:03:56.:04:00.

with 12 MEPs, we went to bed with just one. Diabolical results

:04:01.:04:04.

following awful council election results on Thursday mean that it's a

:04:05.:04:09.

very dark Dame to be a Lib Dem. Do you understand why? I think that

:04:10.:04:13.

we failed to make the case sufficiently for Europe because I

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think although we have a very good message, that message isn't being

:04:18.:04:21.

heard `` dark day. Nick Clegg hasn't been getting a fair hearing because

:04:22.:04:25.

he's no longer trusted by the voters and so I think the party needs to

:04:26.:04:30.

have a very strong look at its direction, its strategic direction

:04:31.:04:33.

and of course questions of leadership surround that.

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Do you think he should go? I do, and I signed a letter at Lib Dems along

:04:39.:04:44.

with 300 other members and I think that the voters have given us a

:04:45.:04:49.

clear message that it's time for a fresh start, a new leader who can

:04:50.:04:53.

get a fairer hearing. Why do you think it's the messenger and not the

:04:54.:04:57.

message? You debated with Nigel Farage. Why is it not to case that

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the public simply listened to the message and didn't like what they

:05:02.:05:02.

heard? I think we need to look at the fact

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that there needs to be a debate that's rooted in fact and not

:05:09.:05:12.

fiction. Nick Clegg made himself very much the spokesperson near

:05:13.:05:18.

campaign. It was all about Nick and he debated Farage and I commend him

:05:19.:05:23.

for that, that was brave, but people weren't listening, his personal poll

:05:24.:05:35.

ratings are minus 55%. I'm no ssephologis, but I think they are

:05:36.:05:41.

the worst results since voting polls began. `` psephologist. The message

:05:42.:05:49.

needs to change but the leader's changed message won't make any

:05:50.:05:52.

difference. Those around the leader will say this is partly as a result

:05:53.:05:56.

of going into Government and all of the Liberal Democrats signed up, you

:05:57.:06:01.

had three separate votes, MP, the wider party, all your hands are

:06:02.:06:04.

dipped in the blood, why should it be Nick Clegg that's thrown over the

:06:05.:06:09.

side? Well, just because the captain has to go down with the ship, it

:06:10.:06:12.

doesn't necessarily follow that the ship needs to go down with the

:06:13.:06:16.

captain. We did all make a decision to go into coalition and that was

:06:17.:06:21.

the right decision at the time, it was the NAHTs of the day, it was

:06:22.:06:25.

what the voters provided the country with. We had to do that. Nick was

:06:26.:06:29.

brave in doing that and taking us into that coalition. He's been a

:06:30.:06:34.

good Deputy Prime Minister, but in an increasingly presidential

:06:35.:06:39.

politics that we have today, as the media giving Farage the Spotlight

:06:40.:06:45.

for so long shows, it has to be now that the person delivering the key

:06:46.:06:49.

message, leadership at the top of the organisation, it needs to have

:06:50.:06:52.

someone who the voters give a fair hearing to. So you are saying it's

:06:53.:06:57.

basically suicidal electorally to continue with Nick Clegg. In terms

:06:58.:07:01.

of making a difference, do you think a party led by say Vince Cable, TMi

:07:02.:07:07.

Farron, would have a different result with the electorate? What I'm

:07:08.:07:11.

saying is that leadership is about the ability to unify people behind a

:07:12.:07:18.

common cause. Nick hadn't been able to do that. You think other members

:07:19.:07:22.

could do better? Other members within the very talented

:07:23.:07:24.

Parliamentary party would stand a much better chance of get ago fair

:07:25.:07:28.

hearing from voters. In terms of what you would then like to see in

:07:29.:07:32.

terms of the mechanics of this, there were petitions, but that has

:07:33.:07:36.

been dismissed, there's few in numbers, what would you like to see

:07:37.:07:41.

certainly MPs in this place do given the scale of these defeats? The real

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question to ask themselveses is that they would either lose potentially

:07:52.:07:55.

under Clegg or stand a chance of winning under a leader. Be` Thank

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you very much for those thoughts. A very ` clear call in terms of

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another voice saying clearly that Nick Clegg should go if the Liberal

:08:10.:08:13.

Democrats are to move forward. Let's go to our chief Political

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Correspondent, Norman Smith, in Westminster. He's outside the

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Cabinet Office. Norman, you were giving us a flavour

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of last time we spoke of how things are moving on this issue.

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What is your assessment? Very interesting Matthew. I had a

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conversation with those around Mr Clegg and they are adamant there is

:08:36.:08:43.

no cord nation. `` coordination. The three

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Parliamentary candidate who is've gone public, they say they respect

:08:50.:08:51.

the figures but they are not significant figures in the party, in

:08:52.:08:55.

other words their argument is OK, they tl may be a few who're unhappy

:08:56.:09:00.

but they do not represent a serious move to unseat Mr Clegg. My sense is

:09:01.:09:04.

these people are putting the heads above the parapet not in a sort of

:09:05.:09:09.

higgledy`piggledy way, there is a carefully collaborated move to crank

:09:10.:09:14.

up the pressure on Nick Clegg. I expect over the course of the day

:09:15.:09:17.

we'll see further individuals putting their heads up saying he

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must go in an effort blunt Deloitte destabilise Nick Clegg `` bluntly to

:09:23.:09:25.

destabilise Nick Clegg. We don't know how much support these people

:09:26.:09:29.

have, how serious their organisation is, and whether they do represent a

:09:30.:09:32.

significant challenge to his position. What we can say at the

:09:33.:09:37.

moment is the really key players are still on Nick Clegg's side. We have

:09:38.:09:41.

heard from Paddy Ashdown, we have heard from Tim Farron and Sir

:09:42.:09:45.

Menzies Campbell and they have all absolutely said Nick Clegg stays,

:09:46.:09:48.

leading us into the next election and beyond. But this is a moving

:09:49.:09:53.

picture and it's clear many Liberal Democrats will now be weighing up

:09:54.:09:56.

the full implications of last night's vote and what that means for

:09:57.:10:01.

them and their party at the next general election and whether they

:10:02.:10:05.

can expect any more provement if any ok negligent remains as leader ``

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can expect any more improvement if Nick Clegg remains as leader.

:10:12.:10:15.

They could say Fell if you get rid of Nick Clegg, you plunge the party

:10:16.:10:21.

into months of chaos and disruption that will only compound the

:10:22.:10:25.

electoral grief. The other people say he's toxic, we cannot recover

:10:26.:10:29.

while he leads us. The Labour supporters who came to us

:10:30.:10:33.

will never stick with us so long as Nick Clegg remains leader because of

:10:34.:10:37.

tuition fees and the coalition and so on. So there is diametrically

:10:38.:10:43.

opposed views. What we'll learn today is how much strength the

:10:44.:10:46.

critics of Nick Clegg have and whether they can mount a serious

:10:47.:10:50.

challenge to his position. Norman, thanks once again.

:10:51.:10:56.

Let's get away from Westminster and tell you the European story in terms

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of those election results through the course of last night. Big

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antiestablishment votes across Europe. Let's head back to Brussels

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and to Phillipa Thomas. Thank you very much.

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It's been a night for the insurgents across Europe. UKIP was one of the

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spectacular standout political stories, another the Front National

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of Marine Le Pen in France, but it's not all about the right of the

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political spectrum, you can look to the left. In Greece where a party

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there did very well, got a lot of voters angry at the impact of

:11:33.:11:36.

austerity. They think they have had to pay too high a price for the

:11:37.:11:41.

fallout from the economic crisis of 2008. So it's all to play for here

:11:42.:11:46.

in the sense that we don't know whether these different parties can

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come together to wield any meaningful power here at the

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European Parliament. I'll talk about that in a moment, but first Ben

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Wright has a round`up of the Europe`wide results. Victory for Le

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Pen and a first for the Front National. One in four votes cast in

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France went to the anti`immigration, anti`euro far right party, a huge

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jump in support. The leader, Marine Le Pen, said the sovereign people

:12:16.:12:19.

had spoken loudly and wanted to be masters of their own destiny.

:12:20.:12:24.

It was a vote against the unpopular socialist president, but it was a

:12:25.:12:28.

vote against the effects of EU membership too, particularly

:12:29.:12:32.

immigration. The anti`EU Danish People's Party

:12:33.:12:36.

came first in Denmark too on a promise of taking powers back from

:12:37.:12:40.

Brussels. When MEPs next meet, more than ever

:12:41.:12:43.

will be fierce critics of the Parliament they have just been

:12:44.:12:47.

elected to. The mainstream centre right and centre`left parties will

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still have a majority here, but anti`Europe MEPs will be a noisy,

:12:52.:12:57.

disruptive block of dissent. And they don't just come from the

:12:58.:13:02.

right. In Greece, the radical left party topped the poll. The country's

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been hardest hit by austerity and it won by opposing the cuts. The far

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right golden dawn came third winning MEPs for the first time. In two of

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the EU's biggest member states, there's been a backlash against

:13:18.:13:21.

Europe and immigration and it's the Front National's victory in France

:13:22.:13:24.

and UKIP's win in Britain that defined this election.

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Just before we go on to France and the upheaval there, I want to give

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you a look at the bigger picture. The BBC has the latest results of

:13:35.:13:43.

the European Parliament elections. The biggest block that you can see

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is the centre`right group, the centre right group, close league ``

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closely... There could be a grand coalition, the central power brokers

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who are all very pro the European Union and

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who are all very pro the European Union and keeping that hold on

:14:11.:14:13.

power. What happens to the others is what we are really interested now as

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far as looking at the anti`establish `` anti`establishment parties around

:14:20.:14:23.

Europe. The Green Party has not had quite a strong voice. They have come

:14:24.:14:27.

up with some interesting ideas about up with some interesting ideas about

:14:28.:14:30.

how to make Europe and its institutions closer to the voters.

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Let's take you now to the site of the other big people `` upheaval,

:14:38.:14:46.

which is where the Front National one about a quarter of the votes in

:14:47.:14:54.

France. Some gloomy faces around the establishment this morning. We are

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standing on the field of Mars. You might recognise this thing behind

:15:01.:15:06.

me, the scene of a massacre, and some would say a massacre in the

:15:07.:15:10.

figures for this party am a the first time the National Front has

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topped a vote and it sums up how the French feel at the moment. They

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finished top in 70% of the departments across the country and

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have taken the bulk of the working class event and 30% of the of the

:15:28.:15:34.

people under 35. Let's take a closer look at these figures and how they

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work down. The Front National taking 25.41% of the vote, from 6% in 2009.

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They have three seats in the European truck road they had three

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seats in the European Parliament and now `` they had three seats in the

:15:53.:15:54.

European Parliament and now they will have many more. The UNP has

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lost between eight and ten seats. Just look at the Socialists, a

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lamentable performance after in each cool flapping in the elections two

:16:09.:16:17.

months ago. `` and equal slapping. A crisis meeting of the cabinet this

:16:18.:16:20.

morning the men and the headline coming out of that is that they are

:16:21.:16:26.

going to try to cut taxes for lower and middle income families, though

:16:27.:16:29.

how they are going to do that, goodness only knows, with 0% growth

:16:30.:16:33.

in the last three quarters. They are under pressure from Brussels. Lots

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of things to think about. Crises on the left and right. Immigration is

:16:41.:16:48.

being looked at, and what you are going to get in the Parliament

:16:49.:16:52.

building behind you is a block of French parliamentarians who want

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reform, not just the National Front but the UNP as well, and they will

:16:59.:17:06.

be wanting answers. The movement of migrants from poorer

:17:07.:17:11.

parts of the EU to wealthier parts has obvious event a `` has been a

:17:12.:17:22.

big issue. It is perceived by some as an abuse of the welfare state and

:17:23.:17:27.

has been at the forefront of many voters minds. A few minutes ago and

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spoke to a former Prime Minister of Bulgaria, who is a senior socialist

:17:35.:17:39.

here, and he told me that reality is different. I know that's UKIP and

:17:40.:17:50.

others in northern Europe are saying, look, these poor eastern

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Europeans are coming in and taking our social protection assistance for

:17:56.:18:01.

them, but it does not correspond with the reality. In the overall

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United Kingdom, there are only 1000 Bulgarian nationals who are using

:18:06.:18:08.

the social protection system, and this is ridiculous.

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If we are talking about reality, let's look at the big issue of

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what's big parties like UKIP might be able to change the way that the

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European union is run. With me is a lot `` someone with a lot more

:18:26.:18:32.

knowledge about it than me. What can be done here? They could change a

:18:33.:18:38.

lot. They are not so interested in changing the European Parliament or

:18:39.:18:41.

legislation. They are left, right and centre or they don't agree on

:18:42.:18:47.

many things. There is no`one policy agenda here? They just come and make

:18:48.:18:52.

speeches for the home audiences and then leave without participating in

:18:53.:18:59.

the daily work of improving things. Some would say they want to change

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national politics. Yes. They want to be on the political scene. How can

:19:05.:19:12.

you deal with the National Front? Can they be a reply `` reliable

:19:13.:19:19.

partner for Angela Merkel? The same question for David Cameron. What

:19:20.:19:25.

things can be agreed when he has to deal with insurgency at home? One of

:19:26.:19:29.

the things David Cameron has been talking about is repatriating some

:19:30.:19:33.

powers, giving back powers from Brussels, and I have heard better

:19:34.:19:38.

this morning that has slimmed down... You just smiled. Why is it

:19:39.:19:44.

not going to happen? There have been big commissions on slimming down.

:19:45.:19:49.

Usually they don't come up with a lot. 27 member countries agreed to

:19:50.:19:56.

give these powers to the EU for good reason. It was more efficient to do

:19:57.:20:01.

it at this level. We want to get 28 member countries to say, we made a

:20:02.:20:08.

big mistake. That is not going to happen. There is a phrase about

:20:09.:20:19.

Turkey 's voting for Christmas. I think we are in a situation like

:20:20.:20:23.

this right now. What if the alternative was a wholesale

:20:24.:20:27.

rejection of the European union of a political entity by voters? If it is

:20:28.:20:31.

the `` if it is perceived that nothing is being done to reform

:20:32.:20:34.

things, these parties could do even better next time around. I do not

:20:35.:20:43.

think so. Usually people are frustrated about not getting a job.

:20:44.:20:49.

By having a problem on the streets with beggars or perceived

:20:50.:20:53.

immigrants, and that is what has to be done at the national level,

:20:54.:20:57.

because contrary to the impression that has been created, the

:20:58.:21:01.

responsibility for dealing with all of these issues is mainly at the

:21:02.:21:06.

national level. There is a framework and then it is up to the national

:21:07.:21:10.

policymakers to make an efficient politic out of it.

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Thank you very much for joining us, especially since you just got off

:21:17.:21:22.

the plane from Shanghai. A lot is going to be happening over the next

:21:23.:21:27.

few hours. More news conferences, more claims of who should run the

:21:28.:21:31.

place, and the leaders of the EU Estates will be coming here to get

:21:32.:21:36.

together for their big dinner. They have two figure out how to explain

:21:37.:21:44.

to voters back home, many whom are very angry.

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To discuss. Joining me is Professor Sara Hobolt,

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from the European Institute, This is really something that has

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happened across Europe. As you have seen in your report, in France, of

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course, it has been a shock election would the Front National, but in

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other places we have seen the far left doing while, in particular in

:22:11.:22:17.

Greece but we have seen it been doing well in Ireland and other

:22:18.:22:22.

places. In terms of going forward, how do

:22:23.:22:27.

you see them reacting to these results? There is the effect on the

:22:28.:22:35.

European Parliament, where there is still a quite strong pro`European

:22:36.:22:41.

consensus, with the centre`right groupings topping the poll, but the

:22:42.:22:46.

other aspect that might be more significant is the effect on how to

:22:47.:22:49.

national governments respond to this, because of national

:22:50.:22:52.

governments in Greece, France and Denmark, where Eurosceptic parties

:22:53.:22:59.

have topped, they will have to income up what they have to do

:23:00.:23:03.

differently for voters to shut up they will have to think about what

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they have to do differently for voters `` they will have to think

:23:08.:23:11.

about what they have to do differently for voters. On the far

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right, when we look at the National Front and other parties,

:23:18.:23:22.

anti`immigration has played a big role and perhaps a bigger role than

:23:23.:23:28.

the EU and Brussels. On the far left, in Spain and Greece and so on,

:23:29.:23:32.

it is much more in and yesterday vote.

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left, in Spain and Greece and so on, it is much more in and On

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immigration, what can be done to strike `` and vote. On immigration,

:23:38.:23:44.

what more can be done? It is interesting that in France, it is

:23:45.:23:50.

not entirely surprising that fronts national to 12. `` the Front

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National did well. One of... There is anticipation, saying what we can

:24:08.:24:12.

do, talking about how we can make it more difficult for people to move

:24:13.:24:17.

between countries in the EU. For David Cameron, he laid it out again

:24:18.:24:20.

this morning to renegotiate the terms, the way the EU works. Does

:24:21.:24:26.

this set of results make it more difficult, easier for him to do

:24:27.:24:32.

that? We should keep in mind that we are having this decision about

:24:33.:24:37.

renegotiations but it will be taken permanently in the Parliament. It

:24:38.:24:43.

will be `` the people that need to be persuaded is Angela Merkel and so

:24:44.:24:49.

on. The Prime Minister will will listen to the voters, and they might

:24:50.:24:54.

think, this is a message that we should be thinking about things on

:24:55.:24:58.

immigration, and what David Cameron called welfare tourism, that you can

:24:59.:25:02.

have access to benefits in other countries, so it might make it

:25:03.:25:06.

easier in that sense, because other parties in other member states have

:25:07.:25:11.

sent similar messages. Thank you very much for those

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thoughts. As we have seen, there have been significant gains for the

:25:17.:25:21.

UK Independence Party. We still expect those results from Northern

:25:22.:25:25.

Ireland and also Scotland's to come. We are expecting the Scottish

:25:26.:25:29.

results around lunch time. Let's analyse a little bit more about the

:25:30.:25:35.

European picture. A huge election across 28 countries,

:25:36.:25:40.

but let's look at the dramatic event in the UK. This is the map last

:25:41.:25:46.

time, in 2009. Later pinned back just to the north east here. The SNP

:25:47.:25:54.

in yellow, and the rest of England's `` Britain and live. 12 regions. ``

:25:55.:26:01.

the rest of Europe in blue. 12 regions. How dramatic a change is

:26:02.:26:08.

this? UKIP purple all over England. The northwest, the Northeast,

:26:09.:26:12.

Scottish Nationalists, yellow in Scotland, and Labour doing very well

:26:13.:26:18.

in London. But the UKIP Evans is really quite extraordinary. If by

:26:19.:26:21.

show areas where parties came first show areas where parties came first

:26:22.:26:25.

by local council, you will see there is a lot of Conservative blue hair,

:26:26.:26:29.

but when it flashes cases where the party was first, this time was not

:26:30.:26:34.

first this time, just have a look, so much flashing purple, places

:26:35.:26:39.

where UKIP has advanced to first place, a truly brilliant night for

:26:40.:26:44.

the party. Let's have a look at the camp of MEP and see how many each

:26:45.:26:51.

party is left with. 24 members of the European Parliament. Second

:26:52.:26:55.

place, Labour with 20, the Conservatives are down to 19 from

:26:56.:27:00.

26, the greens `` the Green Party are and three, a good night for

:27:01.:27:05.

them, and make the evening for the Liberal Democrats, who are down to

:27:06.:27:09.

just one, and then the others, the Nationalists among them. In terms of

:27:10.:27:12.

the share of the bed, these are the figures. You see that UKIP is and

:27:13.:27:20.

28%. Second place, the London effect lifting Labour above the

:27:21.:27:25.

Conservatives. The Conservatives in third and 24. The Green Party, 8%.

:27:26.:27:32.

The Lib Dems, have 27%, and the others, 8%. Laboured may not have

:27:33.:27:41.

done as well as they wanted to in the Conservatives `` laboured might

:27:42.:27:46.

not have done as well as they wanted to and the Conservatives were pushed

:27:47.:27:52.

back. We were with Norman Smith earlier. Plenty to chew over. We

:27:53.:27:56.

will be back in just a minute with more analysis. We will pause for a

:27:57.:27:59.

moment to find out what the weather is doing. Heavy rain will push

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towards the east and on the other hand will be a feature Tuesday and

:28:47.:28:50.

Wednesday. Cool and cold winds blowing down the East Coast there.

:28:51.:28:54.

Persistent heavy rain in central and eastern areas. Rainfall amounts

:28:55.:28:58.

mounting up. Sunshine and showers and some on the heavy side.

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I'm live at Westminster. A victory for UKIP at the European elections

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with most of the UK's 73 seats declared, the party's won 23. Nigel

:29:26.:29:30.

Farage says the people have spoken. My dream has become a reality and

:29:31.:29:33.

despite the onslaught we faced over the last few weeks as if the world

:29:34.:29:37.

was against us, the British public were stood firm, they backed UKIP

:29:38.:29:42.

and we've won a national election. David Cameron insayses the

:29:43.:29:44.

Conservatives can twin next general election, despite being pushed into

:29:45.:29:47.

third place as they were narrowly third place as they were narrowly

:29:48.:29:51.

beaten by Labour The challenge is now for my party to

:29:52.:29:56.

demonstrate that we have the plan to deliver that change, to renegotiate

:29:57.:29:59.

Britain's place in Europe to get a better deal for Britain, to change

:30:00.:30:03.

Europe and then to put the choice to the British people in an in`out

:30:04.:30:09.

referendum before the end of 2017. I think what last night also

:30:10.:30:13.

reflects, including among those who voted for UKIP, is a desire for

:30:14.:30:17.

Europe to work better for Britain and also a deep sense of discontent

:30:18.:30:20.

with the way this country's run and the way our economy works.

:30:21.:30:26.

The Liberal Democrats are all but wiped out in the European

:30:27.:30:32.

Parliament, retaining only one MEP. Neither the Labour Party nor the

:30:33.:30:38.

Tories have stood up to UKIP. Unpopular side of an argument and we

:30:39.:30:42.

have been punished, but I would do it again.

:30:43.:30:46.

The far right Euro`sceptic parties performed well. The National Front

:30:47.:30:50.

in France says that lean Le Pen tops the poll there.

:30:51.:30:54.

The other headline this is hour on BBC News: Pope Francis visits some

:30:55.:30:58.

of the holiest sites in Jerusalem on the third and final day of his

:30:59.:31:04.

Middle East tour. Billionaire confectionary magnate

:31:05.:31:08.

Petro Poroshenko claims victory in the Ukraine presidential elections,

:31:09.:31:09.

Russia says it's ready for dialogue. Time for sport now.

:31:10.:31:24.

Here a full round`up. Thank you very much. Rory McIlroy's

:31:25.:31:28.

moved from tenth to sixth in the world rankings of golf after winning

:31:29.:31:31.

his first title of the year yesterday. The Northern Irishman

:31:32.:31:35.

came from seven shots down to win the flagship event on the European

:31:36.:31:38.

Tour. The PGA Championship at Wentworth. He finished 14`under, one

:31:39.:31:44.

shot ahead of Ireland's Shane Lowry. The win came five days after he

:31:45.:31:48.

announced his split from the tennis player, Caroline Wozniaki.

:31:49.:31:51.

It's been a bit of a roller coaster, to be honest.

:31:52.:31:56.

Look, I find on the golf course it was nice, it was like a release for

:31:57.:32:01.

me and I could go about my business and play the way that I wanted to. I

:32:02.:32:07.

played solid and everything came together for me today. I upped and

:32:08.:32:12.

downed it when I needed to, did the putts at the right time and it

:32:13.:32:16.

seemed like everything fell my way and I'm delighted to be standing

:32:17.:32:22.

here as a champion. Adam Scott beat Jason duff ner to

:32:23.:32:29.

take the clonial tournament in Texas `` Duffne re. A finish outside the

:32:30.:32:35.

top 13 would have meant him relinquishing after one week. Colin

:32:36.:32:39.

Montgomerie finished four shots clear to win the senior PGA

:32:40.:32:42.

Championship, the first time in his career he'd won an official event in

:32:43.:32:48.

America. Nico Rosberg has overtaken Lewis

:32:49.:32:52.

Hamilton at the top of the Formula One drivers Championship after

:32:53.:32:55.

winning the Monaco Grand Prix. Rosberg led Hamilton for the whole

:32:56.:32:59.

race. He claimed the checkered flag for the second year in a row in the

:33:00.:33:03.

principality while Lewis Hamilton held off Daniel Ricardo to finish

:33:04.:33:08.

second. The cricketers we are soundly beaten in the one`day

:33:09.:33:13.

international against Sri Lanka yesterday. They lost by 157 runs as

:33:14.:33:20.

Sri Lanka levelled the series 1`1. England's winter of discontent left

:33:21.:33:25.

them with little to be chirpy about. Yet this summer's marked a new start

:33:26.:33:28.

with some new faces, but there was too much of the old England in the

:33:29.:33:33.

field, allowing Sri Lanka to get into their stride quickly. Dilshan's

:33:34.:33:39.

Dexterry also did some damage, he etop scored with 88. The tourists

:33:40.:33:44.

were helped most by more mishaps. Catch after catch dropped by

:33:45.:33:47.

England. A target of 257 should have been

:33:48.:33:51.

much lower. That figure appeared nigh on

:33:52.:33:55.

impossible after seven overs. England had already lost four

:33:56.:34:00.

wickets and 29 for 4 soon became 73 for 8, as England completely

:34:01.:34:03.

collapsed. More than a few things note for new

:34:04.:34:08.

head coach Peter Moors and the onlooking but injured Captain Cook.

:34:09.:34:12.

Only stand in skipper Owen Morgan put up a fight, getting to #40rks

:34:13.:34:16.

but coined for little in the end, England all out for 99 `` 40, but it

:34:17.:34:21.

counted for little in the end. This may be a new start but it's not a

:34:22.:34:27.

very good one. Day two of the French Open tennis.

:34:28.:34:32.

Roland Garros had a rain`delayed start.

:34:33.:34:36.

Britain's James Ward is set to play today. It's the first time he has

:34:37.:34:40.

made it into the main draw after becoming the first Brit to come

:34:41.:34:44.

through qualifying since 1973. He faces a tough first round draw

:34:45.:34:49.

against Robredo, the 17th seed. Djokovic and Nadal are also set to

:34:50.:34:56.

play today, weather`permitting. Sharapova currently on court at

:34:57.:35:00.

Roland Garros as well. More from me in the next hour.

:35:01.:35:08.

The impact of UKIP's achievement is sinking in. Nigel Farage says his

:35:09.:35:12.

dreams have come true. UKIP has ten more seats in the

:35:13.:35:16.

European Parliament, 23 so far, and it's fairly certain that in the next

:35:17.:35:19.

hour, we'll hear of another UKIP gain this time in Scotland.

:35:20.:35:24.

The Lib Dems have slumped, losing all but one MEP, the Conservatives

:35:25.:35:29.

have lost seven seats, Labour have gained seven but might have expected

:35:30.:35:33.

to do a good deal better. UKIP is saying these historic

:35:34.:35:37.

results mean it's no longer simply a protest vote.

:35:38.:35:43.

Well, in Wales, Labour narrowly came top in the polls but only by 0.6%

:35:44.:35:48.

ahead of UKIP. Let's go live to Cardiff and our correspondent Daniel

:35:49.:35:53.

Davies. Give us more details about how the Welsh voted? No change in

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who will represent Wales in the European Parliament in Strasbourg

:35:58.:36:01.

and Brussels. There are four seats in Wales. They go to Labour. The

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Conservatives, Plaid Cymru and UKIP. That's the situation that we've had

:36:07.:36:10.

since 2009 going into this European election last week. But what has

:36:11.:36:15.

changed and what's changed dramatically, is the number of votes

:36:16.:36:19.

and the share of the votes cast for the four parties.

:36:20.:36:23.

Labour has topped the poll. But it's fallen some way short of what it

:36:24.:36:27.

really wanted from this election in Wales which was two Welsh seats. In

:36:28.:36:32.

fact, Labour has only just squeaked into first place ahead of UKIP. UKIP

:36:33.:36:38.

about 0.6% of the vote behind Labour. It's fair to say that in

:36:39.:36:44.

2009 at the last European elections, UKIP surprised even themselves by

:36:45.:36:48.

winning a seat in Wales. That's certainly not the situation now. If

:36:49.:36:51.

they hadn't announced themselves on the political scene already, they

:36:52.:36:54.

certainly have with this election result. Just some 4,500 votes behind

:36:55.:37:01.

Labour in top spot. Throughout the campaign, Labour have been saying

:37:02.:37:06.

they haven't been picking up a surge in support on the doorstep. If that

:37:07.:37:11.

was the case, one wonders where they were knocking. UKIP have been saying

:37:12.:37:15.

they were in with realistic shout of winning the election and of topping

:37:16.:37:21.

the poll in Wales and the results in this morning show how close they

:37:22.:37:23.

came to doing that. The Conservatives, they couldn't

:37:24.:37:26.

recreate the heights of 2009 when they topped the poll in Wales, but

:37:27.:37:30.

they have kept their seat and the same with Plaid Cymru, the fourth

:37:31.:37:33.

party in this election. They have kept their seat. They'll be very

:37:34.:37:36.

pleased with that because there were some opinion polls out there

:37:37.:37:40.

suggesting that Plaid Cymru was in danger of losing its seat in the

:37:41.:37:44.

European Parliament to Labour. Thank you very much.

:37:45.:37:50.

It wasn't just in the UK and France where Euro`sceptic parties have

:37:51.:37:56.

seized ground in these euro elections. Let's find out what

:37:57.:38:03.

happened in Greece now with our correspondent, Susannah Mendonca who

:38:04.:38:08.

is in Athens. We are not going to go there at this

:38:09.:38:12.

very moment. I think we are going to go closer to home and find out the

:38:13.:38:15.

situation in Scotland, specifically Edinburgh.

:38:16.:38:19.

James Shaw is there. Bring us up`to`date on events there, James?

:38:20.:38:28.

We don't have an official result yet, one council area needs to bring

:38:29.:38:32.

its vote in. It's not really going to change the overall picture here

:38:33.:38:36.

though. What we have is a situation where the SNP got 29% of the vote,

:38:37.:38:42.

Labour 26, the Conservatives 17, UKIP 10. 5 and trailing behind them,

:38:43.:38:46.

the Greens who will consider that a good result for them, and then in

:38:47.:38:49.

sixth place, the Liberal Democrats, on 7%. A bit of a disaster for them.

:38:50.:38:54.

The headline really once you set aside the fact that the SNP topped

:38:55.:38:59.

the poll is that UKIP, it looks as though they are going to gain their

:39:00.:39:03.

first elected representative in Scotland. David Coburn is the

:39:04.:39:07.

leading candidate and it looks as though he'll be the sixth MEP

:39:08.:39:11.

representing Scotland in the European Parliament Not an

:39:12.:39:15.

earthquake as it has been in other parts of the UK, but certainly a

:39:16.:39:19.

tremor. A lot of people wouldn't have expected this. Least not the

:39:20.:39:28.

governing party. Clearly, there is a sizeable number

:39:29.:39:35.

of people on whom the UKIP message resonates. There is that core,

:39:36.:39:39.

perhaps a small core of a right`wing vote in Scotland that many people

:39:40.:39:43.

might not have expected to see. Thank you.

:39:44.:39:50.

Let's continue our European election coverage and go back to Matthew now.

:39:51.:40:00.

Thanks very much. Let's bounce around European

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capitals and take stock of those results in terms of the perspective

:40:04.:40:09.

from there. It wasn't just the UK and France Euro`sceptic parties,

:40:10.:40:15.

let's head to Greece and our correspondent there is Susannah

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Mendonca. Greek people have been feeling the

:40:17.:40:30.

pain of austerity here perhaps more than most. So we have the left`wing

:40:31.:40:38.

party. It's come top of the polls in the European parties. It used to

:40:39.:40:43.

have one MEP, now it has six. This whole message has been about

:40:44.:40:45.

fighting austerity and since the result, its leader's said this

:40:46.:40:50.

proves that the people of Greece want a change and want to push for

:40:51.:40:55.

early elections. They are going to be meeting the President of Greece

:40:56.:40:57.

this lunch time to discuss the possibility of that. It's the

:40:58.:41:00.

President who decides that, not clear whether he'll get what he's

:41:01.:41:05.

after. The Prime Minister of New Democracy which came second clearly

:41:06.:41:09.

does not want there to be elections in Greece and we have been hearing

:41:10.:41:15.

that he is likely to have a reshuffle some time this week in

:41:16.:41:19.

response to these results. On the other side of political section, you

:41:20.:41:25.

have got golden dawn, this has been a neo`Nazi result, something they

:41:26.:41:29.

deny, but the leader and the number of politicians are currently in jail

:41:30.:41:32.

and are waiting trial accused of being members of a criminal

:41:33.:41:36.

organisation. Now, the political establishment here had hoped that

:41:37.:41:38.

that would mean that people might not vote for them, but hasn't been

:41:39.:41:42.

the case, they have voted for them, they have got three MEPs in the

:41:43.:41:49.

European Parliament and they seem to be so right`wing that even Marine Le

:41:50.:41:54.

Pen has said she wouldn't want to work with them. You have both sides

:41:55.:41:58.

of the political spectrum getting votes from people who have been

:41:59.:42:01.

feeling the pain of austerity and they have been expressing that

:42:02.:42:04.

through their polls. Now we'll cross to Poland to my

:42:05.:42:10.

colleague to see what is going on there.

:42:11.:42:17.

Poland is questioning itself, how an anti`European figure such as Yanoush

:42:18.:42:24.

can get enough votes to send four MEPs to Parliament. He's hugely

:42:25.:42:29.

controversial in this country. He's a self`proclaimed Monarchist. He

:42:30.:42:32.

thinks that democracy is stupid, he's again to as far as to say that

:42:33.:42:37.

women are less intelligent than men so shouldn't be allowed to vote.

:42:38.:42:41.

There is really no outright winner in this country. The centre right

:42:42.:42:46.

governing party is tied practically neck and next with the Conservatives

:42:47.:42:52.

opposition party. It's barely a percentage point between them. They

:42:53.:42:57.

are sending 19 MEPs to Brussels. Now, arguably the leader of the

:42:58.:43:02.

opposition party of the Law And Justice Party is saying they've won

:43:03.:43:06.

because they gained MEPs sothey'll be sending the 19 MEPs to boost the

:43:07.:43:10.

figures of the European Conservatives and reformists.

:43:11.:43:14.

However, Donald Torse, the Prime Minister and leader of the civic

:43:15.:43:18.

platform, although they have lost MEPs, they are going together with

:43:19.:43:23.

another centre right party and will be together sending 23 MEPs to

:43:24.:43:28.

support the European People's Party, so arguably they're saying they have

:43:29.:43:32.

won. However, there is no real winner and with a turnout once again

:43:33.:43:37.

low, 23% bothering to turn out, of course, the $iously sunny here, but

:43:38.:43:40.

no`one really is the winner here. Let's find out what the situation is

:43:41.:43:44.

like in Italy. My colleague Alan Johnston is in Rome.

:43:45.:44:03.

Here in Rome, the Prime Minister and his pro`European party bucked the

:44:04.:44:09.

trend in a grand style. It went far bigger than any holster had dared to

:44:10.:44:17.

predict. They handed a defeat of 21 points to their rivals in the

:44:18.:44:22.

Eurosceptic 5`star movement. The movement went into denial through

:44:23.:44:29.

the night as its world collapsed around it. The leader of the moment

:44:30.:44:35.

`` movement had promised his supporters victory, but he broke

:44:36.:44:40.

those 5 million or more people who those 5 million or more people who

:44:41.:44:44.

did vote for his party, and urged them to take a look at a famous

:44:45.:44:51.

poem, with its famous lines on if you can meet triumph and disaster

:44:52.:44:54.

and treat those two imposters but the same, not much more he could

:44:55.:45:00.

the Prime Minister and merges from the Prime Minister and merges from

:45:01.:45:06.

this vote very much strengthened. `` advice. He can now push through his

:45:07.:45:12.

talks of being determined to pull talks of being determined to pull

:45:13.:45:18.

Italy out of what he calls its quagmire. From Rome, back to you in

:45:19.:45:20.

London. With me is Joe Twyman, Head of

:45:21.:45:34.

Political Research at the polling The long`term trend has been going

:45:35.:45:48.

up. Anyone 18 months ago would have been happy with this if they were in

:45:49.:45:53.

UKIP supporter. Is this the biggest breakthrough we have seen since the

:45:54.:46:00.

STP? The STP got over 50% in the opinion poll when they are at the

:46:01.:46:07.

height of their fame. UKIP are now managing 15%, but the influence of

:46:08.:46:11.

that UKIP can have over the Conservatives and also the Labour

:46:12.:46:15.

Party over the next 12 months could be enormous. I am going to cut you

:46:16.:46:21.

off and come back to you in a moment or two, but I am told that we have

:46:22.:46:25.

breaking developments, so let's go to our political correspondent. Tell

:46:26.:46:30.

us more. An indication as to just how bitter the Lib Dem arguments

:46:31.:46:35.

might be. One of the Lib Dem MPs have said to me that there should be

:46:36.:46:41.

a sharp review of the strategy and the leadership, the sort of thing he

:46:42.:46:44.

wasn't saying over the weekend, but he has hit out directly at Patty

:46:45.:46:49.

Ashdown. He has been one of the main defenders of Nick Clegg saying, we

:46:50.:46:54.

must stick with Nick Clack. It is being said that it is treacherous to

:46:55.:47:02.

metaphorically remove bits of cryptic's anatomies `` critics

:47:03.:47:09.

anatomies. That sounds like silly wording. Ashdown was quoted this

:47:10.:47:14.

morning as saying that he threatened to work Oakeshott, and he was

:47:15.:47:18.

obviously joking, but if he caused trouble right now, he would remove

:47:19.:47:22.

his hat or another bit of anatomy that I've might choose not to quote

:47:23.:47:28.

live on the television. He is saying that to argue that is to have a

:47:29.:47:31.

bunker psychology and not to have the swords of conversation that the

:47:32.:47:38.

`` the sorts of conversation that the Lib Dems need to have. Thank you

:47:39.:47:46.

very much. We had to get more on this at around 12:30 p.m.. Some

:47:47.:47:52.

pretty sharp criticism there. Let me bring Joe back in. Sorry to cut you

:47:53.:47:56.

off there. The Liberal Democrat story as moving through the course

:47:57.:48:01.

of the morning as they take stock of these catastrophic results. We were

:48:02.:48:05.

chatting a short while ago. Tommy Elizabeth Smart about how you see it

:48:06.:48:11.

going for the Liberal Democrats. `` towel me a little bit `` tell me a

:48:12.:48:22.

little bit. The local and European elections have been dreadful for

:48:23.:48:25.

them, so they need to think about what they are going to do over the

:48:26.:48:31.

next few months. The key strategy has to be, when do they split up

:48:32.:48:35.

this marriage of convenience with the coalition government? They need

:48:36.:48:42.

to divide and make a big break from the Tories and go their own way. And

:48:43.:48:46.

how soon, in your view, strategically, would they need to do

:48:47.:48:51.

that? If they do it too soon, they could be seen to have that it's

:48:52.:48:56.

because they did so badly, but Iraq in six months out, maybe after the

:48:57.:49:00.

summer `` but Iraq in six months out, maybe over the summer. Labour,

:49:01.:49:10.

how do you see influence playing there in terms of policy? Both

:49:11.:49:14.

Labour and Conservatives have lost voters to UKIP and have been very ``

:49:15.:49:22.

who have been very good at taking and dissatisfied people. They need

:49:23.:49:26.

to think about the core values they can use to appeal to these voters

:49:27.:49:33.

while at the same time realizing that UKIP could let Labour in. How

:49:34.:49:39.

fluid do you think the electorate is? Voters have moved in these two

:49:40.:49:45.

sets of elections. The help from both Labour and Conservative is that

:49:46.:49:50.

they moved back, but how much evidence is there for that sort of

:49:51.:49:55.

movement? We are not really sure. When we ask people in our surveys

:49:56.:49:58.

you are amazing UKIP how likely it is that they will vote for them in

:49:59.:50:02.

the general election, between half and two thirds say that they will,

:50:03.:50:09.

but as we stand now, they may very well change their mind as the issues

:50:10.:50:14.

moved more towards the economy, where UKIP really are not that

:50:15.:50:20.

strong to Mesto we are not sure of their staying power. It always drops

:50:21.:50:25.

off after the Europeans. We really are in an unpredictable world. Thank

:50:26.:50:30.

you for your thoughts. I will have more in the next few minutes. Let's

:50:31.:50:34.

head back to Julie in the studio. Thank you.

:50:35.:50:39.

Pope Francis has visited Israel's Holocaust Memorial on the third and

:50:40.:50:42.

He laid a wreath in the Hall of Remembrance and listened to

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Three previous pontiffs who have visited Jerusalem over the past 50

:50:49.:50:52.

Our Middle East editor spoke to a Holocaust survivor to hear his

:50:53.:51:06.

thoughts on the visit by the Pope. My father was already in a

:51:07.:51:09.

concentration camp, and my mother had followed `` my mother had false

:51:10.:51:18.

identification part versus `` papers. My father survived was

:51:19.:51:22.

liberated in Germany. My mother survived and came back and got me.

:51:23.:51:29.

The Pope is here today. Over the years, the Catholic Church Jewish

:51:30.:51:32.

religion have always had good relations. There is a controversy

:51:33.:51:38.

about the Pope who was there during the war and whether he could have

:51:39.:51:42.

done more or whether he actually collaborated in some way with the

:51:43.:51:47.

Holocaust. What is your view of the Holocaust. What is your view of the

:51:48.:51:52.

presence of the Pope in and of the relations between Jews and

:51:53.:51:54.

Catholics? Let me preface that by saying that my wife is Catholic. A

:51:55.:52:02.

practicing Catholic. I still have that feeling of the relationship...

:52:03.:52:10.

I was brought up as a Catholic. The title of one of the stories from the

:52:11.:52:18.

paper in Toronto was, brought up Catholic so he could survive as a

:52:19.:52:23.

Jew. I have mixed feelings. The archives are there. In the Vatican?

:52:24.:52:28.

In the Vatican. We could know more about what happened, but do we need

:52:29.:52:32.

to know at this point in time if he was a collaborator or a bystander?

:52:33.:52:39.

What is that... It might fracture the relationship with the church, so

:52:40.:52:40.

I've would hope that if they do I've would hope that if they do

:52:41.:52:46.

release it, they would show that he was not, and I've followed this a

:52:47.:52:55.

people he saved Jews during the war. people he saved Jews during the war.

:52:56.:52:59.

They were part of the access but I They were part of the access but I

:53:00.:53:02.

do not think their hearts were in it. Thank you very much. Here, of

:53:03.:53:09.

course, it is a vital day were anybody, any of the leaders to come

:53:10.:53:14.

to visit Israel, to come to this place where there is the most

:53:15.:53:18.

remarkable commemorations that happened of that awful tragedy

:53:19.:53:24.

during the Second World War. We can show you some pictures from

:53:25.:53:29.

the Pope's visit to Jerusalem now, and here you can see him in

:53:30.:53:34.

conversation with the Israeli Prime Minister, who has commanded the Pope

:53:35.:53:41.

for the various sites that he has visited in Jerusalem, specifically

:53:42.:53:44.

saying that he appreciated the decision to lay a wreath on the

:53:45.:53:52.

founder of modern Zionism. There you founder of modern Zionism. There you

:53:53.:53:55.

see the pictures, live from Jerusalem. There is a conversation

:53:56.:53:59.

going on between the Prime Minister and the Pope.

:54:00.:54:07.

Russia's Foreign Secretary has reiterated President Putin's stance

:54:08.:54:09.

that Russia will respect the will of the Ukrainian people.

:54:10.:54:11.

Early results suggest that the billionaire confectionary magnate

:54:12.:54:14.

Petro Poroshenko has won an outright first`round victory in the Ukrainian

:54:15.:54:17.

presidential elections with almost 55% of the vote.

:54:18.:54:29.

The American pharmaceutical company, Pfizer is expected to make

:54:30.:54:31.

a statement today, admitting defeat in its attempt to

:54:32.:54:34.

The company's latest offer was rejected by Astra Zeneca's board,

:54:35.:54:37.

and Pfizer has until five o'clock this afternoon to

:54:38.:54:40.

However, current rules say the company can

:54:41.:54:43.

For the week had a looks like it was a pretty wet at times, particularly

:54:44.:55:14.

in central parts of England, breezy as well stop you will have to have a

:55:15.:55:19.

bit further north west to find more of the war. `` as well. It will

:55:20.:55:25.

starts to fragment as it moves into the Midlands. Some heavy bursts

:55:26.:55:29.

still mixed in there. As we head towards the afternoon, it looks like

:55:30.:55:33.

or Scotland and Northern Ireland there will be quite a few thundery

:55:34.:55:38.

showers developing. The focus will be on Northern Ireland's and places

:55:39.:55:44.

north of the central belt. There will be locally torrential downpour

:55:45.:55:50.

is and temperatures at best will be around the mid teens. A lot of cloud

:55:51.:55:56.

around Rudy Midlands into central and southern areas. `` around the

:55:57.:56:08.

Midlands. It `` a few heavy showers. That is how it is looking.

:56:09.:56:14.

Overnight, a few showers across central and western areas. This area

:56:15.:56:19.

of rate is moving up into South East England and towards eastern

:56:20.:56:22.

counties. It will be heavier and persistent by the end of the night.

:56:23.:56:27.

With all of the cloud around, a pretty mild night, with temperatures

:56:28.:56:32.

around 11 or 12 in the south. Our focus is this area of low pressure.

:56:33.:56:37.

It is sending weather fronts out into the eastern parts of England.

:56:38.:56:44.

It is looking wet in these areas and rain will continue through the day,

:56:45.:56:48.

so warnings are in force for some localised flooding in some places,

:56:49.:56:51.

and with the breeze coming off the North Sea, it will feel particularly

:56:52.:56:57.

cold for the time of year. Further south is towards the far north,

:56:58.:57:02.

mixture of sunny spells and some thundery downpours, with top

:57:03.:57:05.

temperatures around 18 Celsius where you get the sunshine. Wednesday is

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looking thoroughly wet and it is going North into central and

:57:11.:57:14.

southern parts of Scotland. Cold as well and the breeze is continuing.

:57:15.:57:18.

The best conditions will be across the extreme South West. As he had

:57:19.:57:25.

further into the week, the high pressure is building, some things

:57:26.:57:31.

will get better, but unsettled until that point.

:57:32.:58:34.

Westminster where, for the first time since 1910, neither Labour nor

:58:35.:58:38.

the Conservatives have won a national election.

:58:39.:58:43.

The UK Independence Party is the big winner in the European elections,

:58:44.:58:48.

topping the poll with almost 28% of the vote.

:58:49.:58:52.

My dream has become a reality, despite the onslaught we faced over

:58:53.:58:56.

the last few weeks, as if the whole world was against us. The British

:58:57.:59:00.

public have stood firm and back to UKIP and we have won a national

:59:01.:59:04.

election. Growing pressure on Nick Clegg to resign after the Lib Dems

:59:05.:59:08.

lose all but one of their seats. Diabolical results following awful

:59:09.:59:13.

council election results on Thursday mean it is a very dark day to be a

:59:14.:59:17.

Liberal Democrat. David Cameron insists the

:59:18.:59:20.

Conservatives can win the next general election despite being

:59:21.:59:23.

pushed into third place as they are narrowly beating by Labour.

:59:24.:59:29.

`` beating. I believe we can win the election outright and we should put

:59:30.:59:32.

in front of people our message which is, let us complete the long`term

:59:33.:59:36.

economic plan turning this country around. I think these results go

:59:37.:59:39.

much deeper than what is happening in Europe.

:59:40.:59:42.

I think they are a lot about what is happening in Britain. People do not

:59:43.:59:47.

think Britain works for them. Across Europe, Eurosceptic and

:59:48.:59:51.

antiestablishment parties made big gains.

:59:52.:59:53.

In France, the far right National front storms to victory.

:59:54.:59:58.

All the latest reaction and developments live as they happen

:59:59.:00:00.

throughout the day. The other headlines at midday...

:00:01.:00:06.

Pope Francis visits the most important holy sites for Muslims and

:00:07.:00:11.

Jews in Jerusalem's all the city. And in Ukraine prospect of talks

:00:12.:00:15.

between Ukraine and Russia, after the confectionery tycoon John

:00:16.:00:24.

Curtice stands poised to triumph in the presidential elections. `` the

:00:25.:00:26.

confectionery tycoon, Petro Poroshenko.

:00:27.:00:40.

Good afternoon, live from Westminster, and Westminster is

:00:41.:00:46.

absorbing the impact of a surge in the anti`EU vote that has seen UKIP

:00:47.:00:52.

sweep to victory in the European elections, accompanied by an almost

:00:53.:00:56.

complete collapse in Liberal Democrat support and mounting

:00:57.:00:59.

pressure on the party leader, Nick Clegg.

:01:00.:01:03.

Nigel Farage has hailed the result as extraordinary. His party took

:01:04.:01:09.

nearly 28% of the vote, and now has ten more MEPs, 20 more seats than ``

:01:10.:01:13.

23 more seats in the European Parliament so far.

:01:14.:01:18.

Another significant gain is expected in Scotland in the next half`hour.

:01:19.:01:21.

The Lib Dems lose all but one of their seats in Brussels, whilst the

:01:22.:01:25.

Conservatives lose seven. Labour gained seven but might have

:01:26.:01:29.

expected to do better just one year away from a general election.

:01:30.:01:33.

UKIP promised an earthquake, and there has certainly been a lack ``

:01:34.:01:36.

radical change in the political landscape.

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Let us around it all up. Let us hear from our political correspondent,

:01:44.:01:44.

Ross Hawkins. It looked good for UKIP last night,

:01:45.:01:47.

toasting the results with champagne in mugs, and having beaten

:01:48.:01:55.

their bigger rivals nationwide, it looked even better to

:01:56.:01:58.

their leader of this morning. Despite the onslaught we faced

:01:59.:02:00.

in the last few weeks, as if the whole world was

:02:01.:02:05.

against us, the British public stood firm, they have backed UKIP, and we

:02:06.:02:08.

have won a national election. Compare that with the fate

:02:09.:02:11.

and the faces of Liberal Democrats who are all but wiped out,

:02:12.:02:15.

left with a single MEP. It went wrong

:02:16.:02:18.

because there is a very febrile anti`European atmosphere

:02:19.:02:21.

in this country at the moment. There is a general disaffection

:02:22.:02:23.

with politics and politicians. With more votes and MEPs, Labour

:02:24.:02:26.

beat the Conservatives, but only just, and everyone is wondering how

:02:27.:02:31.

Nigel Farage's party did so well. Of course I congratulate him

:02:32.:02:36.

on winning these elections. I think, though, the questions that

:02:37.:02:41.

will be asked about UKIP as we come up to the general election is where

:02:42.:02:45.

they stand on some of the major issues that will be

:02:46.:02:48.

decided in the general election. You know, where they stand

:02:49.:02:51.

on taxation, spending, the NHS. Those questions will be asked

:02:52.:02:55.

of UKIP. For the Conservatives,

:02:56.:03:04.

in third place, similar questions. I think the result showed

:03:05.:03:06.

a very clear message that people are disillusioned with the European

:03:07.:03:17.

Union, with the way it is working The challenge is there that is

:03:18.:03:20.

for my party to demonstrate we have There were scuffles as the BNP

:03:21.:03:25.

arrived at Manchester town Hall, but Nick Griffin had already been

:03:26.:03:30.

beaten by the voters. The big picture, though,

:03:31.:03:32.

a UKIP triumph. The question `

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whether we will see more of this Let us get more reaction, we have

:03:35.:03:44.

heard from the Prime Minister and Ed Miliband, let's speak to Steve

:03:45.:03:48.

Fallon, the chair of UKIP. He joined us here at Westminster. Thank you

:03:49.:03:50.

for your time. Is this beyond expectation?

:03:51.:03:56.

It is what we hoped for, and if we had written the script, this is what

:03:57.:03:59.

we would have written. What will you do with the mandate in Brussels?

:04:00.:04:03.

We will continue doing what we have been doing, which is to work towards

:04:04.:04:08.

the UK's exit from the European Union.

:04:09.:04:11.

Everyone that floats UKIP knows that what we have been sent to Brussels

:04:12.:04:17.

to do. You will have seen Lord Ashcroft's

:04:18.:04:22.

falling over the weekend, and that thinks that perhaps more than 50%

:04:23.:04:25.

will drift back before the election?

:04:26.:04:32.

Well, you have to take this into context with the council elections

:04:33.:04:35.

last week, and the two together are very interesting.

:04:36.:04:39.

The centre of gravity for the party has moved further north.

:04:40.:04:42.

We have made some stunning gains in old Labour territory, and this is

:04:43.:04:48.

really a four party system now. I don't think it is a flash in the

:04:49.:04:54.

pan in any respect. Lord Devlin said that UKIP stands

:04:55.:04:58.

for the worst in human beings, prejudice, fears.

:04:59.:05:02.

Did you succeed by playing on people's base instincts?

:05:03.:05:07.

I absolutely reject that. The problem is, what we have done is

:05:08.:05:11.

that we have opened up debates the other parties have been refusing to

:05:12.:05:15.

have. They are now admitting it today, saying that we should have

:05:16.:05:18.

been more open about some of these things. Yes, they should come and we

:05:19.:05:22.

have not been afraid to open these debates. It is no good just

:05:23.:05:26.

vilifying as for them, people want to talk about them.

:05:27.:05:30.

You are doing real damage to the Conservatives, does that not take

:05:31.:05:32.

you further away from actually where you want to end up?

:05:33.:05:40.

The EU in`out referendum? If you damage the Conservatives, perhaps

:05:41.:05:42.

you will get Labour and the Lib Dems and get any sort of referendum,

:05:43.:05:47.

because the Conservatives are really ones that can deliver that

:05:48.:05:48.

referendum. That is a big assumption about the

:05:49.:05:52.

Conservatives and the others. There are a lot of noises being made

:05:53.:05:58.

now about referendums and the European Union, how Eurosceptic

:05:59.:06:01.

everyone is and worried about immigration, but none of these

:06:02.:06:04.

things would be being said if we were not doing what we were doing.

:06:05.:06:09.

The referendum `` there have been calls for the referendum to be moved

:06:10.:06:13.

forward to 2016, would that make a difference?

:06:14.:06:16.

The sooner the better, definitely. In terms of your party, Ed Miliband

:06:17.:06:21.

was saying that in these next 12 months, your manifesto whenever you

:06:22.:06:25.

come up with it will be scrutinised. Are your days of being the outsiders

:06:26.:06:31.

quite limited now? You have 150 councillors, plus.

:06:32.:06:36.

You have a big input into brothels, you are now part of the

:06:37.:06:38.

establishment. In political terms, gas, we're not

:06:39.:06:44.

the outsiders. We are in `` we are an insurgent organisation. But we

:06:45.:06:49.

are prepared for scrutiny of our policies.

:06:50.:06:54.

In terms of... Even Nigel Farage has acknowledged a

:06:55.:06:58.

lot has fallen on his shoulders. One party official was describing it

:06:59.:07:01.

and said that last week it felt like we were carrying around a fragile

:07:02.:07:06.

and expensive fires through a crowded room.

:07:07.:07:08.

You acknowledge you are a bit of a one`man band still.

:07:09.:07:13.

These things become self`fulfilling. Nigel has become a big political

:07:14.:07:16.

star in the country and someone people admire and want to see.

:07:17.:07:20.

Clearly that means he is front and centre in the media, but as I am

:07:21.:07:23.

sure you will have seen in the past few days there are more of us than

:07:24.:07:29.

just Nigel. Taking a step back, we have seen two

:07:30.:07:34.

sets of election results in a few days, and your success in both.

:07:35.:07:38.

Do you think the country, as we stand, is more or less at ease with

:07:39.:07:42.

itself within its communities, with its neighbours?

:07:43.:07:46.

I actually think it is more at ease with itself, because there is one

:07:47.:07:49.

thing we're doing, and this comes back to us the doorsteps, which is

:07:50.:07:53.

that we are giving voice to things that are not being talked about and

:07:54.:07:57.

that makes people feel happier in many respects. A lot of people have

:07:58.:07:59.

become disengaged from the political environment in the last 20 years,

:08:00.:08:04.

and they are saying to us, I am going to vote for you because you

:08:05.:08:07.

were talking about things I think need to be talked about. If you

:08:08.:08:12.

suppress political strands, it is not healthy. I think we are now

:08:13.:08:15.

having debates we should have been having several years ago. Steve

:08:16.:08:21.

Fallon, thank you for your time. Let's head to our cheap little

:08:22.:08:24.

correspondent, Norman Smith, assessing all of those results and

:08:25.:08:29.

the reaction through the course of a busy morning.

:08:30.:08:31.

Norman, what are your thoughts this lunchtime?

:08:32.:08:37.

Matthew, I am outside a very nice Hotel in St James' Park, which has

:08:38.:08:41.

been booked by UKIP for their victory celebrations, which I think

:08:42.:08:44.

give you some sense they must have been pretty confident they were

:08:45.:08:48.

going to win if they have booked a presumably rather expensive hotel

:08:49.:08:51.

suite to have their victory celebrations.

:08:52.:08:56.

Let us not disguise it, it is a massive, massive victory for UKIP,

:08:57.:09:02.

but it is a victory in these sets of elections.

:09:03.:09:04.

We simply do not know whether it will roll over into the general

:09:05.:09:09.

election. You have to say, his group tells us that our electoral system

:09:10.:09:12.

is very adept at squeezing the life out of the smaller parties because

:09:13.:09:16.

of the first past the post system. You can bank up loads of votes all

:09:17.:09:19.

over the place but that does not mean you are going to win seats.

:09:20.:09:25.

That is a real challenge facing UKIP ` can they translate this big number

:09:26.:09:30.

of votes in two seats? Secondly, there is now a challenge facing

:09:31.:09:34.

Nigel Farage himself. When he was campaigning, I was out and about

:09:35.:09:37.

with him a bit and it was very obvious that the public liked him,

:09:38.:09:41.

but they know nothing about anyone else in UKIP. There is a challenge

:09:42.:09:46.

as to whether he can broaden the personality of his party, so that it

:09:47.:09:51.

is not just a one`man band, which at the moment it largely is. Thirdly,

:09:52.:09:56.

he now has to engage on a much broader palette of policies. He

:09:57.:10:01.

cannot just say I am not going to talk about our manifesto, it is all

:10:02.:10:05.

about immigration and Europe, he will now have doing gauge on issues

:10:06.:10:07.

like the health service, the economy, other places where the UKIP

:10:08.:10:12.

will have to spell out where they stand and that provides much more

:10:13.:10:15.

opportunity for the main parties to have a go at UKIP. I was struck this

:10:16.:10:19.

morning, listening to Chuka Umunna of the Labour Party, he was already

:10:20.:10:25.

flagging up UKIP's commitment to flat taxes that would amount to a

:10:26.:10:30.

tax cut for the wealthy. He mentioned the fact they had

:10:31.:10:32.

previously called for charging to visit GPs, to do away with things

:10:33.:10:37.

like maternity pay. You get a sense, certainly on the Labour side, that

:10:38.:10:41.

they are preparing now to play hardball with UKIP. No longer

:10:42.:10:45.

dancing around, Mr nicely nicely, they know they have doing gauge and

:10:46.:10:52.

`` they have to engage. A terrific result in these

:10:53.:10:55.

elections, a whole other ball game when it comes to the general

:10:56.:10:58.

election. Thank you, Norman, we will hear more

:10:59.:11:02.

from him during the day. We are still waiting for the

:11:03.:11:05.

official results in Scotland, so let us head to Edinburgh and speak to

:11:06.:11:09.

BBC Scotland editor, Brian Taylor. What can you tell us?

:11:10.:11:14.

We have the figures for the total share of the vote right now. The

:11:15.:11:20.

candidates are in a room nearby in Edinburgh city Chambers working out

:11:21.:11:25.

the system that is calculated in terms of seats, but I can say that

:11:26.:11:30.

the SNP has topped the poll in popular voting 28.9%, one for ice a

:11:31.:11:36.

fraction down from five years ago. They are winners, so are they happy?

:11:37.:11:41.

Not really, firstly because their vote is slightly down, and secondly

:11:42.:11:45.

because they had set themselves a target, particularly in the last few

:11:46.:11:48.

weeks of campaigning for the European elections, to go up from

:11:49.:11:52.

two seats, their present total, 23`macro. They were to use that

:11:53.:11:56.

winning the third seat to squeeze UKIP out of Scotland, as they put

:11:57.:12:03.

it. It looks on these figures as if UKIP will take a seat in Scotland.

:12:04.:12:08.

To explain the impact of that, UKIP currently, as we stand, until we get

:12:09.:12:13.

the declaration, UKIP have no MPs in Scotland, NOMS please, no MEPs `` no

:12:14.:12:23.

MPs. This would be their first foothold in any sense in politics in

:12:24.:12:28.

Scotland. Their share of the vote, Aaron 10%, is way down on what it is

:12:29.:12:33.

in England, and on Wales, but they have not been squeezed out of

:12:34.:12:36.

existence. Alex Salmond will argue very vigorously, his party have

:12:37.:12:41.

topped the polls, they have been accompanied by a squeeze on the UKIP

:12:42.:12:45.

vote. He will say that indicates Scotland still votes in a very

:12:46.:12:48.

different way from England and that argues perhaps for a difficult ``

:12:49.:12:52.

different style of politics and perhaps independence. But I think

:12:53.:12:58.

his prounion opponents will say, it is different, but not that

:12:59.:13:02.

different, UKIP have still managed to advance in Scotland.

:13:03.:13:05.

Like you for taking us through those figures, we are expecting that

:13:06.:13:08.

official declaration, the announcement, at 12:30pm.

:13:09.:13:12.

As soon as that start we will hear that live on BBC News.

:13:13.:13:22.

Let us discuss what we already know, with a Conservative MP.

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First of all, how do you view what we have seen?

:13:28.:13:30.

I think politicians have been offered a lesson by these election

:13:31.:13:34.

results, that if you do not engage with the electorate in a way that

:13:35.:13:38.

they think is relevant in a language that is appropriate, that they can

:13:39.:13:42.

respond to, they will simply go and vote for other parties. Whether

:13:43.:13:45.

politicians take up that lesson is another question. To me, the most

:13:46.:13:50.

distressing part of this is that the outcome of these European elections

:13:51.:13:55.

is that we will have a European Parliament that collectively will be

:13:56.:14:00.

more integrationist because those anti`parties will not be able to

:14:01.:14:04.

form a block to reform internally. I will come round to the workings of

:14:05.:14:08.

the Parliament in a moment, but do you see the results of last night as

:14:09.:14:12.

a vast swathe of this country rejecting what we have at the moment

:14:13.:14:16.

in terms of the relationship with Europe?

:14:17.:14:19.

I think it is a little bit about Europe, but also about what I have

:14:20.:14:23.

seen over the decades, really to speed Britain. I represent a coastal

:14:24.:14:28.

town that has a different economy to cities. We have to insure that

:14:29.:14:32.

economic recovery permeates every milk and cranny of the country and

:14:33.:14:37.

does not create this is connected between what is seen as a metro

:14:38.:14:42.

centric Whitehall, and what is happening on the ground.

:14:43.:14:45.

People have felt distance from power.

:14:46.:14:48.

It is not just Europe, they feel distant from the District Council. I

:14:49.:14:53.

think we have to turbo`charge localism and really embed power back

:14:54.:14:57.

with the people, rather than in institutions. But that means facing

:14:58.:15:01.

up to talking about the issues people are talking about and are

:15:02.:15:03.

concerned about. You think enough has been done on

:15:04.:15:06.

that issue? Yes, but we must also be careful

:15:07.:15:09.

that we are talking about the real issues. In my constituency, the

:15:10.:15:15.

average wage is ?17,500. What we have is a low income

:15:16.:15:20.

economy. It needs to have, you know, real boosting, and what we

:15:21.:15:23.

need to do is to ensure we are talking about optimistic future is,

:15:24.:15:29.

at about engaging with the public, but not necessarily using all of

:15:30.:15:34.

UKIP's euphemisms for the solutions. Nigel Farage has been the one that

:15:35.:15:39.

has been talking about immigration. He has said you have created a low

:15:40.:15:42.

income economy in Britain with immigration. Using `` and using

:15:43.:15:46.

gauging with the issue do you just raged `` the issue you just raised.

:15:47.:15:53.

Yes, but there are lots of different dimensional.

:15:54.:15:55.

We need to look at minimum wage. The Prime Minister a few weeks ago said

:15:56.:16:01.

he supported a call that I made that we should look at minimum wage and

:16:02.:16:05.

living wage. This is something that is crucial in areas that have

:16:06.:16:09.

pockets, periphery economies, that feel very left out of this very

:16:10.:16:13.

metro centric country that we live in.

:16:14.:16:17.

For your party, for Ed Miliband, what do you think the challenges are

:16:18.:16:21.

question marks do you think he is fully facing those?

:16:22.:16:28.

The challenge is to become a much more precise to stop we have had an

:16:29.:16:33.

election campaign where the parties have been talking in generalities

:16:34.:16:39.

and have been whipping up a lot of anger. What does Ed Miliband think

:16:40.:16:47.

should happen to the minimum wage? How should it be pitched? How does

:16:48.:16:54.

he think that border control should go? How can we successfully reform

:16:55.:17:03.

Europe? What are three key things he would do? He needs to be precise. He

:17:04.:17:09.

has restated that the Labour pivot `` he has restated the Labour

:17:10.:17:15.

position on the referendum. I have always been in favour of having a

:17:16.:17:20.

referendum. If Ed Miliband wanted to be Prime Minister, there are many

:17:21.:17:23.

other things he needs to do first, but those people who talk about a

:17:24.:17:28.

referendum, they are not spelling out what the alternatives are. The

:17:29.:17:34.

politicians are not asking where the work is we can really go to the

:17:35.:17:39.

electorate and say what in words means and outwards in. Do you not

:17:40.:17:47.

feel that not having a referendum is making a statement, and a lot of the

:17:48.:17:50.

issues around here is a not Europe, it is about people feel that

:17:51.:17:58.

politicians are not listening to them, and there is that issue about

:17:59.:18:04.

our connection with Europe. If the referendum goes on, we need work at

:18:05.:18:11.

government level which would spell out what going out would entail.

:18:12.:18:15.

Given the result we have had overnight, isn't having a referendum

:18:16.:18:19.

totally uncontrollable for David Cameron? He has campaigned for the

:18:20.:18:25.

last few weeks on a set agenda, which basically, the public in part

:18:26.:18:31.

have not listened to. Is that not the greatest danger for him? I think

:18:32.:18:37.

European elections are known as elections with people get the

:18:38.:18:40.

government a kicking. I think the Conservative Party has done really

:18:41.:18:43.

well at the Conservative Party has done really well at this election

:18:44.:18:47.

considering have got to look at the interests of Britain. I have a

:18:48.:18:52.

little bit of a different view from your other guest, and I believe we

:18:53.:18:56.

should stay in Europe, but we need a Europe that is working for our

:18:57.:19:01.

interests, ambitious, externally focused, looking at those trade

:19:02.:19:07.

deals, really pushing our agenda. You would not say you want a Europe

:19:08.:19:13.

that is unambitious. That is the problem which the electorate finds

:19:14.:19:20.

itself in. This is what UKIP has tapped into, a more precise

:19:21.:19:24.

language. We have to leave it there, but that is interesting, because

:19:25.:19:27.

that is why the party leaders are being pressed on, the exact details

:19:28.:19:32.

of how they respond to this set of results. We have a ready heard it

:19:33.:19:36.

from both David Cameron and Ed Miliband, but it was nice to hear

:19:37.:19:42.

from both of you. Let's head to our correspondent who is in the East

:19:43.:19:47.

Midlands, where UKIP got most of the votes. It is also the battle ground

:19:48.:19:53.

for the parliamentary by`election that is coming up in less than A4

:19:54.:19:57.

night. `` less than two weeks. One of the

:19:58.:20:03.

11 constituencies in Britain, here today come it has been a triumph for

:20:04.:20:10.

UKIP. Here are the results from overnight. The UKIP representatives

:20:11.:20:16.

to two MEP state, taking the biggest share of the overall vote. The

:20:17.:20:23.

Tories have two seats, and in last place, Labour, with just one seat.

:20:24.:20:28.

And unfortunate result for members of the Lib Dems. They only managed

:20:29.:20:34.

to get 6% of the Council votes here. Some people are now calling for Nick

:20:35.:20:39.

Clegg to resign, saying that he is not doing what he needs to do in the

:20:40.:20:43.

East Midlands to wind those people over. UKIP are hoping they will be

:20:44.:20:48.

able to carry on this winning momentum into the by`election, which

:20:49.:20:52.

was triggered by a resignation, someone had to resign after a

:20:53.:20:59.

scandal, so they are hoping they will bring that momentum over, but

:21:00.:21:04.

the Tories have a majority here, and they were campaigning hard here last

:21:05.:21:09.

week, and they feel that they are able to turn that into a succession

:21:10.:21:14.

in the by`election next week, but we will see if the UKIP can overturn

:21:15.:21:16.

the majority. They do very much.

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Let's take a more in depth look at what happened across Europe last

:21:24.:21:26.

night because anti`EU parties from the left and right are expected

:21:27.:21:29.

to gain significant numbers of MEPs across all 28 member states.

:21:30.:21:32.

Dealing with the shock waves of these results. Yes, and the biggest

:21:33.:21:48.

question will be, will they choose to deal with the shock waves. Will

:21:49.:21:57.

they say, well, that was a negative vote, maybe more than a protest of

:21:58.:22:02.

it, but it did not have an agenda that came with it, so we are going

:22:03.:22:06.

to focus on what we can do for the European economy. When you look at

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the results of overnight, yes, it was the night for the insurgents,

:22:11.:22:14.

but there was some very differing platforms politically there, from

:22:15.:22:22.

France to Greece, which is on the left, not right, so it is a

:22:23.:22:26.

collocated and fractured picture and certainly a lot more exciting that

:22:27.:22:30.

it was before. This worker complicated. Here is a round`up of

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the will stop `` combo kit. Here is a round up. One of four of the votes

:22:38.:22:44.

cast in France went to the Front National, a huge jump in support.

:22:45.:22:48.

The party's readers that the sovereign people have spoken loudly

:22:49.:22:53.

and wanted to be masters of their own destiny. It was a boat against

:22:54.:22:58.

the unpopular socialist president, but it was a vote against the effect

:22:59.:23:04.

of number ship as well, particularly immigration. The Danish people's

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party came first in Denmark on a promise of taking powers back from

:23:10.:23:14.

Brussels. When MEPs meet here, more of them and ever will be fierce

:23:15.:23:18.

critics of the parliaments they have just been elected to. The

:23:19.:23:22.

mainstream, centre`left and centre`right parties will still have

:23:23.:23:27.

a majority here, but anti`Europe MEP will be a disruptive block of

:23:28.:23:32.

dissent. And they do not just come from the right. In Greece, the

:23:33.:23:38.

radical left party topped the poll. Greece has been hit hard by

:23:39.:23:42.

austerity. The far right 's Golden Dawn came third, winning MEPs for

:23:43.:23:49.

the first time. There has been a backlash against Europe and

:23:50.:23:53.

immigration in some member states, and it is the Front National's win

:23:54.:23:59.

in France and UKIP's when in Britain that has defined the selection.

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Let's go to France, where we had that huge upset by the Front

:24:05.:24:10.

National. Christian Fraser is there for us. It has been a morning of

:24:11.:24:14.

political activity, hasn't it, reacting to that upset.

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Yes. The two mainstream parties are very much licking their wounds this

:24:21.:24:26.

morning. The socialists called an emergency meeting today at 830. On

:24:27.:24:31.

his way, the Prime Minister was saying that he wants to introduce

:24:32.:24:36.

income tax cuts for lower and middle income families, so they recognise

:24:37.:24:42.

the scale of the anger. Here are a couple of headlines. This is the

:24:43.:24:47.

French word for earthquake and you can see Marine Le Pen on the front.

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Here is a picture of the president. His party took just 14% of the vote

:24:53.:24:58.

which is their worst performance. Compare that to Angela Merkel's

:24:59.:25:02.

party in Germany who took almost one in three votes. This is the front

:25:03.:25:11.

page of a newspaper. People are worried that France will now be

:25:12.:25:14.

identified solely with the Front National. Another newspaper is

:25:15.:25:19.

saying that this has happened before, in 2002, when the father of

:25:20.:25:24.

Marine Le Pen went through to the second round of the presidential

:25:25.:25:27.

vote, but what is different this time is that there is not the same

:25:28.:25:32.

public act last to the result, no protests, no demonstrations in Paris

:25:33.:25:35.

today. There has almost been a shrug of the the tale of the results. The

:25:36.:25:41.

other things they asked Marco at the gala of the results. `` there has

:25:42.:25:49.

almost been a shrug at the scale of the results. There are questions

:25:50.:25:56.

about how the president can continue to govern for the next three years

:25:57.:26:03.

when his mandate looks so fragile. Thank you very much. There is

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certainly a lot to think about here in terms of how the institutions

:26:07.:26:12.

will be run, the policies, what challenges face them.

:26:13.:26:19.

Thank you. We not that far away from getting the official result in

:26:20.:26:22.

Scotland, so let's go back live to Edinburgh and show you the pictures

:26:23.:26:26.

there and talk again to our correspondence. A think we are about

:26:27.:26:32.

to get the declaration, so before we talk to Brian, let's listen in.

:26:33.:26:39.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I have the result of the

:26:40.:26:46.

election for the electoral region of Scotland and European parliamentary

:26:47.:26:52.

elections of 2014. I am a regional returning officer at the European

:26:53.:26:59.

element elections held on May 22, 2014. The total number of valid

:27:00.:27:07.

events as notified to me, given to each registered party and to be the

:27:08.:27:11.

number of votes which such a party had at any stage when a seat with

:27:12.:27:16.

allocated to that party, the names in full in the home addresses and

:27:17.:27:20.

full of each candidate to fill a seat or to whom a seat has been

:27:21.:27:24.

allocated, and whether in the case of a party there are remaining

:27:25.:27:28.

candidates who have not been declared to be elected. First of

:27:29.:27:32.

all, total number of valid votes given to each registered party.

:27:33.:27:39.

Britain first, 13,639. British National Party, 10,216. Conservative

:27:40.:27:53.

Party, 231,000. Labour Party, 438,219. Liberal Democrats, 95,319.

:27:54.:28:05.

Not UKIP... Scottish Green Party, 108,305. Scottish National Party,

:28:06.:28:16.

389,503. UK Independence Party, 140,000, 534. `` 140,534. Whether or

:28:17.:28:31.

not a candidate is remaining on that list has the who has not been

:28:32.:28:37.

elected. The number one, the Scottish National Party, the number

:28:38.:28:44.

of a vote on the allocation of the seat with 389,503. In an address of

:28:45.:29:02.

the successful candidate... And there were still candidates

:29:03.:29:05.

remaining on the party list not declared elected.

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Seat number two is allocated to the Labour Party. The number of thoughts

:29:09.:29:13.

on the allocation of seats was 348,219, and the name and address of

:29:14.:29:16.

the successful and edit, David Martin, beers then. `` successful

:29:17.:29:33.

candidate from Bearsden. Seat number three was allocated to

:29:34.:29:36.

the Conservative Party. The number of votes on the allocation of the

:29:37.:29:42.

seat was 231,330, and the name and address of the successful candidate

:29:43.:29:47.

was Iain Duncan, Edinburgh. And there were candidates remaining

:29:48.:29:51.

on that party list not declared elected.

:29:52.:30:04.

Seat number four was allocated to the Scottish National party. The

:30:05.:30:09.

number of thoughts on the allocation of the seat was 194,752. The name

:30:10.:30:14.

and address of the successful candidate, Alan Smith, Edinburgh.

:30:15.:30:21.

Again, there were parties remaining on the party list not declared

:30:22.:30:24.

elected. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

:30:25.:30:32.

Seat number five was allocated to the Labour Party. The number of

:30:33.:30:42.

thoughts on the allocation of this seat was 170 4000, 110. The name and

:30:43.:30:47.

address of the successful candidate, Catherine Styler, Dunfermline.

:30:48.:30:53.

There were still candidates remaining on the party list not

:30:54.:31:01.

declared elected. APPLAUSE

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the sixth and final seat for Scotland was allocated to the UK

:31:05.:31:11.

Independence Party. The number of votes on the

:31:12.:31:16.

allocation of seat was 140,534. The name and address of the

:31:17.:31:18.

successful candidate was David Adam Cockburn, Kensington, London.

:31:19.:31:27.

There were parties remaining on that party list not declared elected.

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APPLAUSE ladies and gentlemen, I am going to

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ask each of the successful candidates if they wished is a a few

:31:42.:31:44.

words to you, but I would like to thank the entire team in the

:31:45.:31:50.

regional returning officers' team, and the CAD collation team in

:31:51.:31:54.

particular, but also to thank all of the local returning officers around

:31:55.:31:57.

Scotland for a welly `` very well conducted election.

:31:58.:32:02.

There it is, the results in Scotland.

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UKIP, getting representation in Scotland for the first time.

:32:09.:32:11.

Let us bring in BBC Scotland editor, Brian Taylor, watching all

:32:12.:32:14.

of that. Brian, your assessment?

:32:15.:32:18.

It is a remarkable victory for... We're still the most popular party

:32:19.:32:27.

in terms of the vote... Jim Murphy, the member of the Shadow

:32:28.:32:41.

Cabinet has done a blog in which he says the SNP are in denial about the

:32:42.:32:46.

advance of UKIP in Scotland. There is a slight paradox for those

:32:47.:32:52.

who support the union in labour and Liberal Democrats and conservatives,

:32:53.:32:56.

but he says it indicates a pattern north and south of the border is not

:32:57.:33:00.

as great a distance as has been argued by the SNP.

:33:01.:33:03.

That is being completely countered by the lead SNB `` the lead SNP

:33:04.:33:11.

candidate. They see the difference is still

:33:12.:33:15.

extremely clear and sharp. The SNP acts effectively, they would argue,

:33:16.:33:21.

as the antidote to UKIP. Brian come is there anything from

:33:22.:33:25.

this set of election results that in any way please for the referendum

:33:26.:33:28.

that is coming in a few months? I think the element that makes the

:33:29.:33:32.

difference is that the SNP have topped the poll and they are

:33:33.:33:36.

delighted with that, they are pleased.

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Despite being in government for seven years.

:33:40.:33:41.

They have topped the poll while in the last few weeks they said they

:33:42.:33:46.

hoped to take three seats, not two, and to squeeze out UKIP as

:33:47.:33:48.

bodyguards. They have not done so.

:33:49.:33:53.

Brian Taylor, just taking us through those results in Scotland.

:33:54.:33:55.

Official confirmation thereof the seats in Scotland.

:33:56.:34:01.

We still wait for confirmation from Northern Ireland.

:34:02.:34:05.

Let us look at the picture for the Liberal Democrats, because that a

:34:06.:34:08.

story that is emerging through the course of this morning, UKIP has

:34:09.:34:12.

taken half of the available seats for Yorkshire and Humber and the

:34:13.:34:18.

area covers Sheffield, the home of Nick Clegg's constituency.

:34:19.:34:23.

Our correspondent is there, and we have seen games across the country

:34:24.:34:29.

for UKIP. There, also, it is home for Nick Clegg.

:34:30.:34:35.

Good afternoon. I am not sure Nick Clegg will be having a great bank

:34:36.:34:38.

holiday Monday today after the dismal results in both local and

:34:39.:34:42.

European elections. We argue in his constituency, which

:34:43.:34:47.

has been the case since 2005. It is Sheffield Hallam. It has an unusual

:34:48.:34:51.

make`up, because where we are standing now, and very busy student

:34:52.:34:55.

population, you can look around and it is pretty busy year, but also his

:34:56.:35:01.

constituency is made up of a very large rural population, as well,

:35:02.:35:04.

which takes in the Peak District. It is an unusual make`up, he has to

:35:05.:35:10.

please the rural people and student population.

:35:11.:35:12.

There are a couple of issues that may have come back to haunt him,

:35:13.:35:16.

that the coalition cuts will have hit people in rural areas, and

:35:17.:35:20.

students here, we have gotten a real sense this morning, has still not

:35:21.:35:24.

forgiven him for the furore over tuition fees.

:35:25.:35:29.

Before the last election he promised he would not raise them at all, then

:35:30.:35:33.

he got together with David Cameron and what does he do? He went back on

:35:34.:35:38.

his work. `` on his word.

:35:39.:35:41.

He apologised profusely, but it may have come back to haunt him.

:35:42.:35:44.

This has been the reaction from some people in the area earlier today.

:35:45.:35:50.

I think it is horrible. I think the country doesn't really have enough

:35:51.:35:52.

information on the whole subject and I think it has angrily voted, a sort

:35:53.:35:58.

of protest rather than actually wanting UKIP, shamefully.

:35:59.:36:04.

I am glad that Labour went up in quite a few areas.

:36:05.:36:09.

The game from Tories and stuff, I saw that on the website, that is

:36:10.:36:16.

good. To be honest, I do not bother voting.

:36:17.:36:16.

I know that probably sounds shocking I know that probably sounds shocking

:36:17.:36:20.

but I do not vote because I do not but I do not vote because I do not

:36:21.:36:20.

particularly agree with any party. I think we should be fighting back

:36:21.:36:29.

happens. the get in. We will have to see

:36:30.:36:35.

happens. That is the view from some people

:36:36.:36:41.

general feeling across the country general feeling across the country

:36:42.:36:42.

election `` European elections to that people have used the general

:36:43.:36:42.

election `` European elections to get back at the Coalition

:36:43.:36:42.

Government. Historically, this seat Government. Historically, this seat

:36:43.:36:44.

is unusual, it has never been a Labour heartland compared to some

:36:45.:36:47.

places in South Yorkshire, but it has always been a very safe Liberal

:36:48.:36:51.

Democrats seat. Whether that will be the case in the next election, it is

:36:52.:36:55.

looking quite uncertain. Charlotte, thank you very much.

:36:56.:37:00.

Asked to concentrate on the Liberal Democrats for the next few moments,

:37:01.:37:06.

they are taking stock of terrible they are taking stock of

:37:07.:37:10.

results. We had the local elections when they

:37:11.:37:17.

lost around 300 counsellors, and that was on top of councillors they

:37:18.:37:25.

have lost before. Then, last night, they have gone

:37:26.:37:35.

from 12 MEPs to a solitary MEP. We have seen through the course of the

:37:36.:37:42.

morning the criticism that is being directed at Nick Clegg. We have had

:37:43.:37:46.

one MP saying it is not the message, but the messenger. John Pugh was

:37:47.:37:47.

likening over the weekend to Nick Clegg and those at the top of the

:37:48.:37:50.

Liberal Democrat party generals at the Somme. We have topped about a

:37:51.:37:54.

deficit of trust with Nick Clegg. A lot of issues being directed to Nick

:37:55.:37:56.

Clegg. I hope to speak to John Pugh, one of

:37:57.:38:00.

those MPs come in a few minutes. But first, let's get the thought of

:38:01.:38:05.

some of the younger party Abbas, joining me is Becks Bailey, the

:38:06.:38:12.

youth representative from Labour, and the liberal representative for

:38:13.:38:17.

you. I was talking about the Liberal

:38:18.:38:20.

Democrats, it makes sense to turn to you first, what do you make of these

:38:21.:38:25.

results? It is a disappointment, but you have

:38:26.:38:28.

to bear in mind it is very different to what people think. It is not a

:38:29.:38:33.

Lib Dem wipe`out, because at the last European election we got 14%.

:38:34.:38:38.

It is not far off. Beren mind this is before the

:38:39.:38:41.

coalition, we were on 14% in the European elections. The biggest

:38:42.:38:45.

story is that turnout was pretty horrific...

:38:46.:38:50.

Turnout is not the story, come on. The UKIP surge is the story and the

:38:51.:38:54.

real impact on the Liberal Democrats and what it says in terms of its

:38:55.:38:59.

leader taking the party into two results like that. Would you like to

:39:00.:39:06.

see Nick Clegg continue on this strategy?

:39:07.:39:13.

I think we had a fantastic strategy, I am proud of the message we put out

:39:14.:39:22.

their... Even though the public rejected it?

:39:23.:39:31.

I think it had more to do with labour not joining us to tackle

:39:32.:39:35.

xenophobia. They should have had a character

:39:36.:39:37.

assassination of Nigel Farage. Instead of focusing on Nick Clegg

:39:38.:39:38.

for four years, which was an incorrect strategy. They completely

:39:39.:39:40.

ignored now `` Nigel Farage, and Nick Clegg was the only one to

:39:41.:39:42.

confronting head`on. It completely died looted the message we should

:39:43.:39:44.

have had as an entire country, which is not xenophobic.

:39:45.:39:46.

You would acknowledge that the public come in vastus waves, have

:39:47.:39:48.

rejected what your party put forward.

:39:49.:39:49.

I think it comes down to how much of the message actually got through.

:39:50.:39:56.

There was just one party putting forward the pro`EU message and

:39:57.:40:00.

Labour should have joined us in that.

:40:01.:40:03.

Was John man right which Mikey made a similar point that UKIP has made

:40:04.:40:09.

real inroads into labour support, `` was John man right?

:40:10.:40:17.

I think we did to an extent attack UKIP.

:40:18.:40:20.

We have seen in Lib Dem support dropping off that they have let

:40:21.:40:23.

young people dying, and young people voted according to that.

:40:24.:40:27.

Did you go after UKIP as strongly as you should?

:40:28.:40:32.

Yes, I think we did. Not at all. That is not right. I think what we

:40:33.:40:36.

have seen from these election results is that the public have

:40:37.:40:38.

recognised that. No, sorry, common struggle, Labour

:40:39.:40:44.

had a campaign that had nothing to do with Europe at all. They had a

:40:45.:40:47.

poster out talking about Nick Clegg, the person who put your VAT

:40:48.:40:52.

bill up. There has been no rise on VAT on

:40:53.:40:57.

food. The wall broadcast was shrieking mad

:40:58.:41:00.

about Nick Clegg. It is interesting because, after these results come in

:41:01.:41:05.

Ed Miliband is going out talking about all of those areas where UKIP

:41:06.:41:09.

have made gains. That is where he is now focused but

:41:10.:41:13.

perhaps it is a little late. I think if we look nationally the

:41:14.:41:16.

Labour Party has increased the vote share this time and all the other

:41:17.:41:20.

parties have seen their vote share decrease.

:41:21.:41:22.

Labour one year away from the general election should have topped

:41:23.:41:27.

the polls. We are in a fantastic position.

:41:28.:41:30.

We have been increasing our seats in the marginal constituencies, we are

:41:31.:41:35.

doing a good job in those areas. When you sat down and had a strategy

:41:36.:41:40.

at 2010, it probably was to focus on marginal seats in a straight,

:41:41.:41:45.

conservative` labour fight. Also to get voters from the Liberal

:41:46.:41:49.

Democrats, disgruntled voters. Doesn't that strategy now have to be

:41:50.:41:53.

thrown out of the window now that we are in four party politics?

:41:54.:41:59.

We are gaining votes from the Lib Dems and Tories.

:42:00.:42:03.

But losing them to UKIP. There are obviously concerns the voters have

:42:04.:42:07.

that we should be listening to, they feel shut out from politics.

:42:08.:42:10.

Labour has been consistently putting forward policies to counter that and

:42:11.:42:15.

making sure people feel involved in the economy and have that kind of

:42:16.:42:19.

voice, particularly 16`year`olds making sure... Are you making enough

:42:20.:42:22.

strides? 12 month out you should be much

:42:23.:42:25.

further ahead, should you not? We're winning the seats that

:42:26.:42:27.

matter. That is not what I am asking you.

:42:28.:42:32.

Shouldn't you be further ahead than you are after four years of

:42:33.:42:34.

hostility? I think it is a tough challenge to

:42:35.:42:38.

come back after one year of being out of government. We have increased

:42:39.:42:42.

our vote share, we have more local councillors, more councils...

:42:43.:42:47.

The interesting thing in terms the Labour perspective, despite the

:42:48.:42:52.

points you have raised and I have raised, they have come out with a

:42:53.:42:56.

number of policies, even in the areas where they face a challenge

:42:57.:43:00.

from UKIP they have come up with a policy on minimum wage. They have

:43:01.:43:04.

been talking about zero hours contracts, rent, a whole raft of

:43:05.:43:07.

policies that they will eventually will bring UKIP back.

:43:08.:43:11.

The Liberal Democrats, what are they going to do now, given what you have

:43:12.:43:16.

put forward has been rejected? Well, I think you have to Beren mind

:43:17.:43:20.

we have just been in government and managed to get the economy to rise

:43:21.:43:23.

up. `` of you have to bear in mind.

:43:24.:43:27.

We have policies we wish we could have done in the last 100 years, we

:43:28.:43:31.

raised the income tax threshold to ?10,000.

:43:32.:43:34.

We have introduced the people bring in, we had done so much in

:43:35.:43:38.

government as opposed to the reactionary shouting from the

:43:39.:43:42.

sidelines Miliband has been doing. Thank you so much for being with me

:43:43.:43:46.

for those thoughts, but I will edit them because we have been talking a

:43:47.:43:49.

lot about the Liberal Democrat MP for Southport.

:43:50.:43:53.

He is in our Liverpool 's studio. Thank you for your time. What do you

:43:54.:44:01.

make of these results question mark well, they are abysmal.

:44:02.:44:05.

We have lost 91% of our European MPs and a few days ago we lost 72% of

:44:06.:44:13.

the councillors that were standing. There are many areas that have no

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Liberal Democrat representation at any level. They are abysmal,

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worrying, undeserved, but we have to deal with it.

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How do you deal with it? I was reading some of your comments over

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the weekend specific to Nick Clegg. You likened him to generals at the

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Somme. Certainly the people at the top of the party. I agree with Paddy

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Ashdown, that we have to keep our heads.

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In these sort of is, where we have lost 91% of our Euro MPs, we have,

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after the greens in the European elections and lost a of councillors

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after the previous elections, in those circumstances, we are not

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going to have a review of strategy and leadership. In whatever

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circumstances would we have a strategy review.

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What should the considerations be when it comes to the issue of

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leadership? My personal preference would be for a succession. It is up

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to the polls to tell us what will make us successful and progressive

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come up the cannot just carry on as usual. If we do, we are exactly like

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those generals, because these results are her rent is. So you

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think it cannot just be businesses `` results are her rudeness. So you

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think the issue of ownership has to think the issue of ownership has to

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be decided. Decided now and decided quickly. We should reflect very hard

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and quickly, make some good decisions and get onto the election

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in better shape, but we can't go on into elections in the same shape

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that we went into the last lot of elections. I am puzzled, and maybe

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you can't explain, because in terms of going into the coalition, there

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were votes for the Liberal Democrats, you all signed up to it,

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in terms of a change, why would it be any different under Vince Cable,

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the name he just mentioned? We are proud of his achievements. Clearly,

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people in low income brackets are being helped. All that kind of thing

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is very good. The problem is that that could message is not getting

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across, and one of the fundamental problems is that a section of the

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electorate are not listening to Nick Clack at the moment `` Nick Clegg at

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the moment. That is unfortunate. We have got to deal with the world as

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we have it and not as we wish it to be. Why do you feel that if you

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throw him over the side, people will listen to Vince Cable or anybody

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else? Nobody is suggesting that, but I'd do think `` but one of the great

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criticisms of the established parties in this election is that

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they are being confronted with an unorthodox type of politician,

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someone who'd looks like he is not from the same stable as the rest of

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them. We have to get our message across because we have a powerful

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message that should deliver political goals. Reading the

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comments of the former and he who was saying the Chicago MP, he was

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saying `` and he, and the other that is part of the problem that, given

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tuition fees and other decisions, people simply do not trust him

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anymore? The tuition fees were a tremendous crisis for Nick Clegg and

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the party and it is a policy that did not work out, but the issue of

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trust is still lingering on, and we have to accept that that issue is

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still... I do not know what we can do in the short term, is how we

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present ourselves in the next general election as a party is of

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great concern. If we look as though we cannot be trusted be will not get

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a good result. In terms of debating all of these issues that you raise,

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openly as a Democratic party, you have had some pretty sharp words

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directed at Lord Ashdown this morning. Why are you so unhappy? He

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is suggesting that we just knuckle down and remain calm. We should

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definitely remain calm, but Ira Pete the point, not to rebuke the `` I

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repeat the point, that all of the same figures will be involved in the

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next election, and a think there is scope, opportunity for clear,

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precise thoughts about where we go next in a collegial way, in a

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consensual way, without bloodshed, and coming up with a solution that

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will work better than the solution we had these elections. On that, you

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were suggesting earlier in your first answer some sort of transition

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to Vince Cable. Flesh that out, that's the thought process a little

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more. Iran is going into details about how this might pan out or not

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pan out now, because there is obviously a lot of discussion that

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needs to be happened the `` that needs to happen. We do not want a

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long set of leadership elections. I agree that we do not want

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aggravation within the party and discord. We need to look at what the

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evidence is telling us about what will give us the best results, and I

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am open to arguments here myself, and then go with it, and if I am

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persuaded that I am wrong, I will happily knuckle down and work very

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hard in the same way I always intended to for the Liberal

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Democrats, who ever is the leader. You are there, sitting there in our

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studios, have you had any conversations with any other MPs?

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How widespread are the sorts of concerns that you have just

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articulated amongst other MPs? I think MPs all see the problem but

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they do not all agree on what exactly is the solution. Some people

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do exactly what the Lord Ashdown do exactly what the Lord Ashdown

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says, which is to plow on with plan A, and I think we need to look at

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plan A, because of until now, pursuing plan A, and I am talking

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about political strategy, has led to loss and loss of councillors in the

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ruination of many political careers, and they think the hardy is looking

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to those of us in Westminster to provide a platform at the next

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election that is far more satisfactory than what has been

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provided this election. How deep is that the satisfaction across the

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grassroots level? In a sense, you run the risk of almost becoming...

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Do you think if he just continued with no change to the leadership you

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risk electoral suicide? I am sitting in Merseyside now. A few years ago,

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the Liberal Democrats were running Liverpool and now they there `` and

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now there is a very serious problem, particularly for a party

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that used to represent all parts of the country. We have to come up with

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a strategy that will take us back to let's have a look at how the results

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panned out right across Europe. Let's get more from Jeremy. A huge

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election across 28 countries, but let's look at the dramatic events in

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in 2009, and Labour pinned back just in 2009, and Labour pinned back just

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to the north east here. The rest of to the north east here. The rest of

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all Conservative blue. 12 regions, all Conservative blue. 12 regions,

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let's mark the map now in the colours that were left by

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let's look at the dramatic events in the 2014 election, and look at

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this. For the Northeast, Scottish Nationalist yellow in Scotland, and

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but the UKIP advance is really quite but the UKIP advance is really quite

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extraordinary. If I've narrowed down the map and get it to show areas

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where parties came first by local council, you will see there is a lot

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of Conservative blue, but where it flashes where the party was first

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last time was not first ( but so much flashing purple, UKIP have

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advanced to first place, a truly brilliant night for Nigel Farage's

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party. UKIP in first place on the 24 members of the European Parliament.

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The Conservatives had 26 last time and they are down to 19. The Green

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Party is in fourth place, a good night for them. A catastrophic

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evening for the Liberal Democrats, who are down to just one, and then

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we have the nationalists among them. In

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