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tour. And in Ukraine, the millionaire | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
confectioner dream magnate Petro Poroshenko 's looks to have won the | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
first round of presidential elections. `` confectionery magnate. | :00:07. | :00:25. | |
Good morning, live from Westminster. The UK Independence | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
Party's emphatic victory in the European elections has sent a jolt | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
through the other political parties. With results from Northern Ireland | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
and Scotland still to come in, Nigel Farage and UKIP have won 23 seats so | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
far, increasing its presence in the European Parliament by ten MEPs. The | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
games have come largely at the expense of the Lib Dems, who lost | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
all but one of their seats. The Conservatives lost seven seats in | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
Brussels, whilst the Labour Party has gained the same amount following | :00:58. | :01:04. | |
a poor showing last time round. Will the results change the prodigal | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
landscape? In 2009 the Conservatives held the biggest share, now UKIP | :01:10. | :01:16. | |
dominates. Earlier, party's spokesman said UKIP could no longer | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
be dismissed as a protest vote. When you have won, champagne tastes | :01:21. | :01:33. | |
good even if there are no glasses around. | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
This was the East of England, but UKIP are celebrating everywhere. | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
The people's army of UKIP have spoken tonight and delivered just | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
about the most extraordinary result that has been seen in British | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
politics for 100 years, and I am proud to have led them to that. | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
Contrast that to these phases of defeat. The Lib Dems have almost | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
been wiped out. Neither the Labour Party nor the | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
Tories had the backbone to stand up to you by Schmeichel to UKIP. We | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
took the unpopular side of the argument that are being punished but | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
I would do it all over again. Labour have beaten the | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
Conservatives, but only narrowly. It is a result that will worry the | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
party. Both they and the Tories are now wondering what on earth to do | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
about UKIP. We will respond by making clear that | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
we can fix the relationship between Britain and Europe, we can deliver | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
real change and give people a say in a referendum. | :02:32. | :02:41. | |
UKIP have been a symptom of people's disaffection with politics | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
and they are using their vote in the European parliamentary elections to | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
express their dissatisfaction with politics. This was the scene at | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
Manchester town Hall as BNP leader Nick Griffin arrived. | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
He later lost his seat. It is snaps like these that tell the | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
story of the night. Smiling for a picture has never been easier for | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
UKIP. We will be speaking to William | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
Hague, who will be with me in a moment, but the Prime Minister, who | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
has already been on the radio giving his reaction to last night's | :03:17. | :03:23. | |
results, let us listen to that. I take a clear message from the | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
elections, that people are deeply disaffected with the European Union, | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
they do not feel the current arrangements are working well enough | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
for Britain and want change. I would say that message, as far as I am | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
concerned, is absolutely received and understood. We have to | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
demonstrate we are the ones with a plan to start out this relationship | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
and give able choice in or out by the end of 2017 in the referendum. | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
`` to sort out this relationship. That is what we have to focus on. | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
There are those, particularly at the sceptical end of your party, many of | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
whom are really sympathetic to UKIP, that say the problem with | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
where you are now is that people do not trust you to really deliver a | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
fair referendum. For example, they say you will have a phoney | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
renegotiation and recommend that we stay income and the public will be | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
bounced into voting into staying in the EU. Can you give reassurance on | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
that front to those in your party and supporting that will not | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
happen? I want to see a genuine | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
renegotiation. I have set out some of the things I want to achieve in | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
that renegotiation, but in the end it will be for the British people to | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
decide whether they want to stay in a reformed European Union on leave. | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
My view is it is in the national interest to stay in the European | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
Union and it does take time to get the renegotiation done and to | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
convince people about how genuine it is owned and how guaranteed `` how | :04:50. | :04:57. | |
genuine it it `` how genuine it is and how guaranteed we are to get a | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
referendum. The real test will be when people have a choice, do you | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
want David Cameron and the Conservatives that will give you | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
that referendum, or do you want Ed Miliband and labour who want the | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
status quo in Europe to continue? I think that lies behind why Labour | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
did so badly last night, they had so little to say about Europe, they try | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
to talk about other things the rather than respect the voters and | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
doc about the issues we were voting on. | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
That was the Prime Minister in the last half hour. | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
Let's speak to William Hague, who is with me. Good morning. | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
Good morning. A pretty full set of results, when was the last time the | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
Conservatives finished third in a national poll? | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
It is an unusual set of results. It has not happened before that the | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
fourth party wins a nationwide election, however from the | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
conservative point of view we are only about 3% down on where we were | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
five years ago. The governing party has always lost these elections for | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
30 years, the official opposition have usually done much better than | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
Labour have done, so I think these are creditable results from the | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
Conservative's point of view, but UKIP have one and across Europe | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
there is a deep disillusionment with the European Union. That message has | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
to be heard loud and clear in Brussels. | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
What are you going to do about that? You have tried ignoring UKIP, | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
insulting them, aping them, what will you do? | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
This is about the voters and their decision... | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
But you cannot carry on as if nothing has happened. | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
We have to make it clear that when it comes to a general election, it | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
is not a free hit as the European election has been described by UKIP | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
themselves. In that choice, it is the Conservative Party that offers a | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
referendum on Europe. The other parties are against that... | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
But in the local elections? In the local elections the | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
Conservative Party was up on the previous year, and for a government | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
in power it was a good set of results. By any previous comparison | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
of local elections to general elections, it is the Labour Party | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
that has a terrible set of results. We have two votes ahead of the | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
general election. Your colleague, David Davis, said | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
your policy on the referendum lacks clarity and credibility. | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
Why do you not bring it forward to 2016? | :07:22. | :07:22. | |
The whole point is to have a referendum when we are clear about a | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
new relationship with Europe. That will take some time to | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
negotiate, when the Conservative government is elected next year that | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
has to be negotiated, a Europe that is more flexible, more democratic, | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
lest centralised... Butterfat is that lack of clarity. | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
Give me three clear things you plan to negotiate in terms of powers? | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
We have already given example is a red cards for parliaments, National | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
Power is a red cards for parliaments, national stop the union | :07:51. | :07:58. | |
applying to the UK, being able to tighten up on so`called benefit | :07:59. | :08:00. | |
tourism and abuse of the welfare system. | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
These are among the things we like to see in Europe changed, and then | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
we will have a referendum. You talk of abuses, but immigration, | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
Nigel Farage is right ` there is fundamentally nothing you can do | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
about immigration in the EU as you do not control borders, it is free | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
movement of labour and there is nothing you can do about that. Look | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
at immigration figures on polling day. | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
We have already brought down immigration from outside of the EU | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
to levels not seen since the 1990s. Inside the unit is tightening up on | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
benefit claims and people coming here to take advantage of our | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
welfare system. But legitimate people who come | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
here, those are the numbers you have no control over. | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
We do have some control by tightening up those systems. There | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
is more we can do other than that and more we can do as a conservative | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
only government, a Conservative majority government. | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
We will gamble on those issues at the general election next year. | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
Lord Ashcroft's own polling, Labour marginals, but Labour are in | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
double`digit leads, that must be hugely worrying for you. | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
We take nothing for granted in a general election but in all polls | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
the Conservative Party has been improving as to where it has been | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
over the last couple of years and that is a strong basis for the | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
general election campaign next year... | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
But you need your voters to come back. | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
Clearly for me, tell me what you will do to try to entice them back? | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
We're going to see a general election, unlike and European | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
election, is a choice. You get a referendum, in or out of Europe with | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
a Conservative government, and you do not get that any other way. | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
The Prime Minister is just speaking on camera. | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
People are disillusioned with the European Union and the waiters | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
working, the way it is working for Britain, and they want change. The | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that we have the plan to | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
deliver that change, to renegotiate Britain's place in Europe, to get a | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
better deal for Britain, to change Europe and then put the choice to | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
the British people in a referendum before the end of 2017. That is what | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
do and the real test for that plan will, at the general election. | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
There are people saying that votes for UKIP are not necessarily | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
interested in Europe, and this is a kicking of the major parties and | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
that perhaps you are completely out of touch on the issues people really | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
care about. People use elections like this to send election `` send a | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
message to the government. I absolutely receive and understand | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
that message on Europe, that people want change. After a long and | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
difficult recession, of course people have things they are | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
frustrated about, they want to see more jobs and higher living | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
standards, they want to see us complete our long`term economic | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
plan, and I see that as a demand for us to deliver. We have to | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
demonstrate that tackling immigration, reforming welfare, | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
getting Britain's place right in Europe, all of these things are part | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
of the economic plan that has seen an increase in the people of Adam | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
Macklin another people in work, tax cuts, the deficit down, but there is | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
work to do. How do you feel about UKIP now? | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
Realistically, isn't packed good idea? | :11:22. | :11:35. | |
`` isn't a coalition agreement. We are going to work harder, we're | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
going to do more and convince people and that is what I will spend my | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
time doing in the next 350 days. One question about Nick Clegg. He is | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
due Deputy Prime Minister. Where does this leave the coalition | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
if he goes? The coalition is a strong government | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
and is delivering, it particularly in terms of turning around the | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
economy, getting people back to work and cutting taxes. That work will | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
continue. People should be in no doubt we have a strong and | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
determined government with a very clear plan and that plan continues. | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
At how does the coalition work without Nick Clegg? | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
That is for the Liberal Democrats to decide themselves. I am very clear, | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
we have a strong coalition government that is effectively | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
changing our country, putting people back to work, cutting taxes, getting | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
the deficit down. We have a very clear plan and my job as Prime | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
Minister is to deliver that plan. That is what I will be working doing | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
over the next 350 days. Well, there it is, we have a plan, | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
we have to stick to it and deliver it. | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
That is the assessment from the Prime Minister. | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
We broke away from William Hague to listen to that, let us return for a | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
final thought. The Prime Minister was talking about the referendum in | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
2017. One final question on that, because does this result not | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
underlined that David Cameron cannot control the way that referendum | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
goes? He can put out the arguments coming | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
weekend renegotiate and put out arguments to the population, but | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
does this result not sure that actually there is every chance they | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
could reject it and you will find yourself out? | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
Well, it is democracy. We believe in democracy, and the reason we want a | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
referendum is for the people to decide, one way or another. It is | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
nearly 40 years since there was a referendum on Europe in the UK. | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
People like me were too young to vote in that referendum. We believe | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
in people having their say, irrespective of the result. | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
William Hague, thank you for being with me this morning. We will assess | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
the result in terms of what they mean for all of the parties through | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
today. We are expecting to hear from Nick Clegg within the next hour, but | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
let's take a look at the result across Europe. | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
A big result in France, with that thought for the National Front fair, | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
a big win for them. And the anti`EU parties from left to right have made | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
significant gains in these elections, with MEPs across the 28 | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
member states. Love those countries looking and make an assessment of | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
where they now. Let's go to our political | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
correspondent, Ben Wright come in Brussels for us. | :14:22. | :14:23. | |
The headline thought from where you are? For many years, the MEPs has | :14:24. | :14:35. | |
seen Euroscepticism as particularly British but no longer, there has | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
been a backlash across the continent and in polling booths across Europe, | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
voters were queueing up to protest against the priorities of the EU. | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
Victory for Marine Le Pen and a first for the Front National. | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
One in four of the votes cast in France went to the anti`immigrant, | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
The leader, Marine Le Pen, said that people have spoken loudly and wanted | :14:58. | :15:05. | |
It was a vote against the unpopular socialist President and a vote | :15:06. | :15:15. | |
The anti`EU Danish People's Party came first in Denmark. | :15:16. | :15:24. | |
That was on a promise of taking power back from Brussels. | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
When MEPs meet here next, more often than ever will be critics | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
of the parliament they have been elected into. | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
The mainstream centre`right and centre`left will have a majority, | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
but anti`Europe MEPs will be a noisy and disruptive block of dissent. | :15:38. | :15:44. | |
In Greece, the radical left Syriza Party topped the poll. | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
The country has been hardest hit by austerity and it won | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
The far`right Golden Dawn came third, | :15:54. | :16:01. | |
There has been a backlash against Europe and immigration | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
and it is Front National's victory in France and the UKIP win in | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
Turnout was 43%, almost identical to the turn and five years ago in 2009. | :16:10. | :16:29. | |
Most eligible voters did not think they would rather add it was not | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
worth their while turning out to vote in this election. Letters look | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
at the composition of the European Parliament as a result of this. The | :16:39. | :16:45. | |
leading group, the People's party, on the centre`right, that remains | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
the largest. They still have around 25%. Socialists and Democrats, about | :16:51. | :17:00. | |
21% and then the Liberals and the Greens. The group that UKIP sitting, | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
the freedom and democracy group, lost quite a few but Nigel Farage is | :17:07. | :17:14. | |
showing and they remain at about 5%. This huge group is classed as other | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
at the moment, including the front national in France and | :17:19. | :17:27. | |
antiestablishment parties. The big story from Europe is that it is an | :17:28. | :17:34. | |
extraordinary result in France and I am joined by Kristian Frazier. It | :17:35. | :17:41. | |
was remarkable in Paris. What explains that? A lack of political | :17:42. | :17:51. | |
trust. And Francois Hollande has not had a good first few years, and they | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
do not like taxes and spending has been falling. Across the road, | :17:57. | :18:04. | |
parliamentarians and within the National Front, they want to | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
re`negotiate the treaty and that will be their biggest objective when | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
they sit in this new parliament. Letters look at those figures, the | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
first thing is to say this is not a regional victory for the National | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
Front, finishing first in 70% of the departments. You can see from this | :18:25. | :18:33. | |
graphic, 25.4%, that is a massive surge. They took just 6% last time | :18:34. | :18:44. | |
with three Parliamentary seats. UMP, slumping. Nicolas Sarkozy, his | :18:45. | :18:56. | |
leadership under threat, he has not got a coherent message on Europe. | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
Socialists, what an appalling night. They were hoping for 16%. But they | :19:04. | :19:10. | |
have lost about three or four seats. They will have just 13. The bigger | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
parties licking their wounds today, the Cabinet had an emergency meeting | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
this morning at 8:30am and the headline is that they are talking | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
about tax cut for the low and middle income families. Just how he can | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
afford that, we do not know. Three quarters of zero growth and he is | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
under pressure from Brussels to bring the deficit into line. Some | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
damp rides this morning. This is the right wing paper. Figaro. | :19:41. | :19:49. | |
Earthquake. Another debacle for Francois Hollande. And approximately | :19:50. | :19:56. | |
personal victory for Marine Le Pen, she has changed the party since | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
taking over from her father. We knew, of course, that the National | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
Front would do well but we thought it was just a stream to step over | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
that, in fact, it is a raging torrent. Left`wing press. There is | :20:10. | :20:18. | |
concern this morning that France will be identified by the far | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
right. Extraordinary, when you think of the country that is the spiritual | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
heart of Europe, it is the key sceptic voice. You can see some of | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
these glum faces on the panel in the television studio. They talk about | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
the crisis of leadership on the left. Socialists have to win back | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
the working class vote because as they have been crunching these | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
numbers, what is apparent for Socialists is they have lost the | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
working class vote in many constituencies, over 55% in the East | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
of voting for the National Front and the younger vote, 30% under 35 | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
voting for the far right. Some big things to think about. Thank you | :21:02. | :21:10. | |
very much indeed. The question is, what will this mean for the future | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
direction of the European Union? How will work done here? We have easily | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
MEPs coming to Brussels, they might form a powerful the group and with | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
that comes money and voting rights and speaking rights on the floor of | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
the chamber and doubtful whether they will try hard to do that, | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
because I think their differences are just too great. To get the | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
numbers together. And the focus of parties like UKIP and the National | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
Front is not here. This is the enemy, but the audience is domestic. | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
We want to appeal to voters in Britain and France and Denmark. It | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
might not change the way politics within the parliament is done but | :21:55. | :22:00. | |
the response of the bureaucracy will be interesting. Were they think and | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
listen and ask difficult questions about the momentum of the European | :22:06. | :22:13. | |
project? The drive for closer union? Will will they stop and think and | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
try to slow down? In response to this. I was talking to the Secretary | :22:19. | :22:24. | |
General last week and he was pretty sanguine, he said we know there will | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
be an upturn in Eurosceptic feelings but economies are pretty depressed | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
and once they recover, that will die away. I think the real impact of | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
these folks will be is felt in the national capitals with rational and | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
governments to bring powers back from Brussels to the national | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
capitals and really look at how the European Union works. Lots to choose | :22:48. | :22:57. | |
over. Thank you. Let us look at the domestic ramifications. Nick | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
Robinson is with me. What is your analysis? There were doubts when the | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
phrase earthquake was used after the local elections and nobody can have | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
any doubt now. No party other than the name to have won a national | :23:14. | :23:20. | |
election in over 100 years and UKIP have done this and have shown they | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
can win local contests as well as European and what that means is | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
there is a fourth force in British politics and that is important, | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
because by winning in Scotland and Wales, they have defied those who | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
said they were merely a force in English and is and obviously they | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
did less well in Scotland but they are going to get a seat. What that | :23:44. | :23:51. | |
means in the end is at talk of UKIP getting MPs over there in | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
Westminster, which would have seemed slightly risible two years ago, | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
seems totally possible. Lastly, Nigel Farage said he would hope to | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
hold the balance of power in 2015. Some people thought that was | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
preposterous. It seems less so? But still difficult. These were | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
elections and he described as a free head and these elections will and | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
reformers proportional representation that means it is | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
easier to get votes. They need to win above the parties in one or | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
localised places and they have not been able to do that yet, Newark is | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
go `` is coming up. It is interesting to hear what he wants to | :24:37. | :24:46. | |
do, it was to copy Paddy Ashdown, not try to fight across the country | :24:47. | :24:48. | |
but get in a lot of votes in a very small number of places. For all of | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
the main parties, this is a headache, what to do? What is the | :24:53. | :25:02. | |
impact of this? Awkward. The Tories, third for the first time in their | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
history, losing a quarter of the European Parliament members, seeing | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
the Conservative family fractured. They must hope that they simply | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
saying to UKIP voters, you may not like David Cameron but you prefer | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
him to Ed Miliband, you might not like our policies but you would | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
refer the referendum, that will squeeze the vote. But there will be | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
huge pressure to flesh out these rather vague promises. You try to | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
get more out of William Hague about reforming Europe. And whether they | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
could ever walk away from Europe if they did not get that? Labourer: | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
Relieved because of it was afterwards in the capital, they were | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
neck and neck with the Conservatives. `` labour. They would | :25:48. | :25:50. | |
say they never do well in European elections. On the other hand, there | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
are people in the party who will say, one year away from a General | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
Election, we do not smell like winners and is this tension between | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
the politics that is working for Labour in the capital and outside of | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
the capital, and are not doing well at all there. Trying to reconcile | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
that. And Nick Clegg, most people around him act him and said, | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
changing the leader is not the way. The problem is, what is? Just | :26:20. | :26:27. | |
returning to Labour and Conservative, they almost have the | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
same strategy, which is to help and weighed just before the 25th | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
election to say, it is either Ed Miliband or David Cameron. `` | :26:37. | :26:45. | |
weight. That is dangerous? To be fair, Ed Miliband is doing more than | :26:46. | :26:53. | |
that, he is going to Thurrock tomorrow, a council Labour Party did | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
not get in a large part because of UKIP and he is going to make a | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
speech that effectively says I know you did not back me, you are not yet | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
convinced that I have the right answers. But I believe the | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
disaffection you will feel the anger, this sense of alienation, is | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
one we have the answers to. To be fair, he is trying to take head`on | :27:16. | :27:22. | |
that view, not on issues of Europe and immigration but of the standards | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
of living, wages, job security and so on. David Cameron is trying to | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
double up the offer he made the promise of a European referendum. | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
Thank you for that. Nick Robinson. Talking about some of the challenges | :27:39. | :27:41. | |
and questions at the Labour Party have to look at. Graham Stringer is | :27:42. | :27:49. | |
in our Salford studio. Critical after those local election results | :27:50. | :27:52. | |
on Friday. What we were thoughts this morning? We did very well in | :27:53. | :28:00. | |
London and very well in the North`West. There are a lot of | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
marginal seats. Some of the responses from my leadership has | :28:07. | :28:09. | |
been, we have to change and listen. But it is not clear how they will do | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
that. While these elections were about Europe, and there is some | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
protest votes, there were also people voting against the direction | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
that this country is going in Europe. And unless we have a policy | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
response to that, which has to be as a minimum to give people a | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
referendum, we are going to lose votes. My constituents are concerned | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
about immigration and jobs. The factors, the free movement of people | :28:40. | :28:46. | |
is locked into the treaties of Europe and we cannot do anything | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
about that unless we force fundamental change in the European | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
Union and we're not doing anything. It is very attractive. Disabled for | :28:55. | :29:01. | |
us, but we cannot do anything about the major concerns. Because Europe | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
will not let us. We have to improve the offer. We cannot just keep | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
saying, this has been a major wake`up call. But we're not going to | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
do anything. Do you think those at the top of | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
your party understand those concerns? | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
When I was talking to Douglas Alexander on Friday he was littering | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
to criticism and was making the point that you are almost a serial | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
critic, if you go back to Gordon Brown you are criticising him. | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
My concern has always been for the Labour Party to win the election. | :29:42. | :29:44. | |
Douglas supported Gordon Brown at that time and we lost the election. | :29:45. | :29:50. | |
We could have done better had we changed the leader. | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
At the moment I believe we could do much better if we tighten up our | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
organisation around Ed Miliband, the leader of the Labour Party, and we | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
changed some of our policies so that we have more resonance with the | :30:03. | :30:04. | |
electorate. It is very elitist and arrogant to | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
carry on saying, we will just go the way that Europe is going, with ever | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
deeper integration within the European Union. That is not what | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
people who I represent what it is not what people in the UK want all I | :30:18. | :30:24. | |
want to do is to improve the Labour Party's position for the next | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
general election, and I think it is complacent by Douglas and some of | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
the other people in the leadership to carry on with business as usual. | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
We have do have some major organisational changes and some | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
policy changes that will attract more voters to the Labour Party. | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
So it is policy that has to change? Do you acknowledge also that perhaps | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
your party has an Ed Miliband problem in terms of someone who can | :30:50. | :30:52. | |
project himself as a leader? The opinion polls do not tell lies. | :30:53. | :31:01. | |
Ed is not doing as well as David Cameron and the public's mind. | :31:02. | :31:10. | |
He is a decent human being with a high intelligence and he is the | :31:11. | :31:12. | |
leader of the Labour Party. What we have to do is improve the | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
organisation around him, which frankly has been amateurish, and we | :31:18. | :31:26. | |
have to end prove `` improve our policy offering. | :31:27. | :31:29. | |
No party has won in the general election by the leader has been | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
behind and we have been behind in economic policy. | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
We have to improve the organisation around Ed but we also have to | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
improve our basic economic policy, which means changing some of the | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
policies on Europe. If we do not, we are in difficulty, despite as having | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
good results over this weekend. We have also had some poor results and | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
we have to improve in those areas. Graham Stringer, we are grateful for | :31:53. | :31:58. | |
your time this morning. You are watching BBC News, it is a | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
little after 9:30am as we take you through results and analyses of this | :32:04. | :32:05. | |
European election. If you have just joined us on BBC | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
News, welcome, because the politicians here are taking stock of | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
another startling performance from UKIP. | :32:16. | :32:18. | |
Nigel Farage has described the results as the most extraordinary | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
results in British politics in 100 years. | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
They have 23 MEPs, 27% share of the vote. | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
The Liberal Democrats, well, they faced almost wiped out, winning only | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
one MEP, pushed into fifth place. Labour have made gains, but only a | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
little ahead of the Conservatives in terms of vote share. Elsewhere in | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
Europe, it is the antiestablishment parties come again, that have | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
performed strongly. In France, shock result there with the National Front | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
winning. We will analyse those results in a | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
little more detail in a moment, but first this report from our political | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
correspondent, Ross Hawkins. It looked good for UKIP last night, | :33:01. | :33:12. | |
toasting the result with champagne and, having topped the national | :33:13. | :33:15. | |
vote, it looks even better this morning. | :33:16. | :33:15. | |
My dream has become a reality. Despite the onslaught we faced in | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
the last few weeks, as if the whole world was against us, the British | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
public have stood firm, backed UKIP and we have won and national | :33:26. | :33:27. | |
election. I am over the moon. | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
Compared that with the fate and faces of Liberal Democrats, all but | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
wiped out, left with a single MEP. It went wrong because there is a | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
very feeble oil anti`European atmosphere in this country in the | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
moment. `` and very febrile. There is a general death that | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
Schmeichel disaffection with politicians. | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
More votes and MEPs for Labour, beating the Conservatives but only | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
just. Everyone is wondering how UKIP did so well. | :33:54. | :34:00. | |
`` there is a general disaffection with politicians. | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
Everyone was there are disaffection with politics generally. | :34:07. | :34:08. | |
For the Conservatives come in third place, similar questions. | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
I think the result showed a clear message, which is that people are | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
disillusioned with the European Union, the way it is working for | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
Britain. They want change. The in Europe `` | :34:19. | :34:31. | |
to renegotiate Britain was Michael place in Europe. | :34:32. | :34:39. | |
`` Britain's place. There were scuffles as the BMP | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
arrived at Manchester town Hall, but Nick Griffin had already been beaten | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
by the voters. The big picture, though, I UKIP | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
triumph. The question is whether we will see | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
more of this at the general election. | :34:53. | :34:59. | |
With me is John Curtice, professor of politics at the University of | :35:00. | :35:01. | |
Strathclyde. Welcome. | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
What do you make of these results, specifically for UKIP, first of all? | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
There is no doubt UKIP have achieved a remarkable feat in coming first in | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
a nationwide election. It was the target Nigel Farage set for his | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
party some month ago. Many thought he was at risk of exaggerating | :35:20. | :35:22. | |
expectations of what his party could achieve but he has met his target. | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
What we need to remember is that European elections are the occasion | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
on which borders are, firstly, more willing to vote for smaller parties, | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
and secondly, as we know from the 2004 and 2009 elections, more likely | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
to vote for UKIP in particular. To that extent, we cannot presume that | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
if there were a general election that UKIP would have come top with | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
28% of the vote. What we know from a couple of opinion poll exercises is | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
around half of the people who voted for UKIP on Thursday said they would | :35:55. | :36:01. | |
vote for UKIP in the general election. We also know that people | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
who voted for them in the European election did not fought for them | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
locally. Roughly what the opinion polls have been saying for the time | :36:12. | :36:19. | |
being is around 40% support for UKIP. That is not anything like | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
enough for UKIP to win a Parliamentary seat, `` 14%, but it | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
is enough to make sure that in the coming months the Conservatives and | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
Liberal Democrats will be wanting to win back those votes. | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
You talk about the national share potentially going to 14%, but it has | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
been interesting watching their tactics, we heard them talking about | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
how they would approach the general election. | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
It is the Liberal Democrat model about not worrying on the headline | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
national jab at targeting areas and hoping to receive the vote in those | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
areas. That could be effective. That certainly could be what they need to | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
do, because under our electoral system, unless a party that is very | :37:01. | :37:07. | |
popular, if it has a geographical spread it loses out. | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
What we see is UKIP developing an area of strength, the east coast of | :37:13. | :37:19. | |
Kent, Basildon, Thurrock, Great Yarmouth, part of Lincolnshire. | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
There is a strip down the eastern coast of England were UKIP seemed to | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
have particular popularity, particularly well dug income and I | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
undoubtedly think they will concentrate there. | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
Can they build up such a strong local base in those areas within now | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
less than 12 months? It is a long task building up a | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
local base. For the main parties, take me | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
through their challenges. The truth is there is a collective | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
challenge to the board of all parties. In part, the reason UKIP | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
are where they are is because of the collector called `` collector | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
situation the three parties have. What I mean by that is that we have | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
coalition for the first time. As a result, the Lib Dems are not | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
available as a party of protest. That undoubtedly is one of the | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
reasons UKIP have the opportunity they have. The coalition will not | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
disappear tomorrow. The second big usual thing about Westminster | :38:17. | :38:19. | |
politics at the moment is that all three party leaders are relatively | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
unpopular. That is one of the reasons why Nigel Farage's apparent | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
directness, his ability to hold people's attention is any booing his | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
party. Those circumstances of the unpopular leaders and a coalition | :38:35. | :38:36. | |
are not going to disappear, and that is why it will be forgot to get the | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
UKIP thought Aaron. That said, the Conservatives this morning has said | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
we will go on about Europe. This is not just about Europe, it is | :38:47. | :38:48. | |
certainly not about wanting a referendum, it is either wanting to | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
get out of Europe or a particularly about the consequence of Europe for | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
immigration in an age of austerity. On the Lib Dems specifically, is it | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
recoverable? They are in a dire situation and | :39:03. | :39:05. | |
have been ever since the beginning of this Parliament. They will not | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
lose all of their seats in the next general election but they could | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
easily lose half of them. John Curtice, thank you for those | :39:14. | :39:16. | |
thoughts. Let us get away from Westminster for | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
a while because Graham Satchel is in Worksop, part of the East Midlands | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
region where UKIP got the most votes, the Conservatives in second. | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
Thank you. We are at a car`boot sale here near Worksop in North | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
Nottinghamshire. It is a beautiful day, a lot of people out and about. | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
UKIP did very well here in the East Midlands, they topped the poll and | :39:41. | :39:42. | |
have come away with two MEPs. have come away with two MEPs. | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
The Tories, also have two, and Labour have one. | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
UKIP are up one on five years ago. Let us talk to some of the | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
stallholders here in North Nottinghamshire. | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
Brian Hugh has a stall with a lot of games and other bits of household | :39:59. | :40:00. | |
items. Brian, how did you vote? I voted | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
UKIP. Why? Well, it is different opinions, | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
isn't it? You were not satisfied with the | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
other parties? No. Why not? | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
You cannot really comment on that, can you? | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
You cannot! But you're not happy with the others? | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
I have never voted in my life. This is your first time question | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
mark first time I have voted. And you voted UKIP? Would you vote | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
them in a general election? I would, yes. | :40:33. | :40:38. | |
Like you very much, Brian. That is a first`time voters who | :40:39. | :40:41. | |
voted UKIP because he was disillusioned with the other | :40:42. | :40:43. | |
parties. Let's talk with Sandra. | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
Sandra, can I bring you up? Sandra has a stall here as well, how | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
did you vote? Labour. What did you think about | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
UKIP coming Top Of The Pops everyone is entitled to their own opinion, | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
but I feel people moving further that way in respect of immigration, | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
I have concerns for the local area in general. | :41:04. | :41:12. | |
Things may overspill. `` everyone is entitled to their own opinion. | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
What do you mean about overspill? Well, I look around and everyone | :41:18. | :41:20. | |
seems to speak a foreign`language. I am of the over `` older generation | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
and I accept that, but if it becomes more I will find that difficult to | :41:26. | :41:28. | |
live with. So you can see why people have voted | :41:29. | :41:31. | |
UKIP? Yes, I can see that but I am labour, | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
always have been, always will. It was my parents that said to me, you | :41:37. | :41:39. | |
thought what you are, and that is what I have been. | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
What is interesting, Sandra can is that a lot of people like you in the | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
Labour heartland have decided enough is enough of a The Mall it `` Ed | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
Miliband and they want action. Would you vote different in a general | :41:52. | :41:53. | |
election? Nope, I am Labour. | :41:54. | :42:00. | |
Lovely, Sandra, thank you very much. We have a by`election not far away | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
from the next Thursday, in new work, whether it is probably the first big | :42:06. | :42:08. | |
test for UKIP as far as Westminster is concerned. `` Neawrk `` tempt `` | :42:09. | :42:32. | |
Newark. You vote? No. You are not alone, | :42:33. | :42:35. | |
many people did not vote. What do you think would help? | :42:36. | :42:43. | |
Just to listen to policies that people of this country believe in. | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
They seem to ignore us. I just think we want it to return back to how | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
good old Britain was. What does that mean creche and Mark | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
you are worried about immigration? Yes, I think it worries everyone if | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
I am honest. Government just seems to ignore... | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
Yes, they are just ignorant about what people want, I think. | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
What are you saying, quickly then, that you would like the door shut to | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
future European immigration? Not essentially shut, but I think | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
there should be limits on what is going on. | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
Simon, thank you very much. There you are, Simon did not vote | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
and he is certainly not alone because two thirds of people in the | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
end did not vote. For all people saying this is a portable | :43:28. | :43:29. | |
earthquake, we should perhaps keep that in mind, that one `` only a | :43:30. | :43:36. | |
third of the electorate bothered to vote. | :43:37. | :43:38. | |
There you see someone who did not, but still aligning himself with the | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
philosophy of UKIP. Graham, thank you very much. We are | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
still waiting for the results to be confirmed in Scotland and also | :43:47. | :43:48. | |
Northern Ireland. Large areas of England and Wales | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
turned from conservative blue to UKIP purple overnight. | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
Those results, we should get them around midday from Scotland, when | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
the full results are due to be announced around that time, with | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
UKIP hoping to get their first NEP in Scotland. | :44:05. | :44:07. | |
Jeremy Langdon has been looking in detail about where the party picked | :44:08. | :44:10. | |
up ports and what results could mean for next year's election. And | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
further afield in Europe. As huge election across 28 | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
countries, let us look at the dramatic events in the UK. | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
This is the map last time in 2009. Under Gordon Brown pinned back to | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
the north`east year. The Scottish Nationalists are | :44:30. | :44:32. | |
painting Scotland yellow, but the rest of England is all conservative | :44:33. | :44:35. | |
plan. 12 regions. Let us mark the map with | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
the colours it was left after the 2014 European election and how | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
dramatic is this? UKIP purple all over England, Labour | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
first in Wales, the north`west and north`east. | :44:50. | :44:51. | |
Scottish nationalist yellow in Scotland, and Labour are doing very | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
well in London. The UKIP advance is really quite | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
extraordinary. If I'm narrow down the map and get it to shore areas | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
where parties came first by local council, there is quite a lot of | :45:04. | :45:06. | |
conservative blue here, but when it flashes places, where the party that | :45:07. | :45:13. | |
was first this time was not first class time, have a look. Second | :45:14. | :45:33. | |
place, Labour have 20, the Conservatives had 26 last time. The | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
Green party, in fourth place with three. That was a good night for | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
them. And catastrophic for the Lib Dem 's, just one. And the others, | :45:45. | :45:50. | |
nationalists among them. In terms of the share of the vote, these are the | :45:51. | :46:00. | |
figures. You can see UKIP, 28%. Labour, the London effect lifting | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
labour. It was touch and go but the Conservatives in third place. The | :46:06. | :46:11. | |
Greens, 8% and the Lib Dems, only 7% and the others on 8%. Huge advances | :46:12. | :46:18. | |
for UKIP and Labour not doing as well as they would want and the | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
Conservatives pushed back but the Lib Dems are the real victims. And | :46:23. | :46:29. | |
more widely, all over Europe, voters were standing up to make a point to | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
the establishment. In France, the grey in that we'll shows the | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
National Front, the hard right party, coming first. And in the | :46:39. | :46:46. | |
South`East of Europe, Greece. The deep red is a hard left. Across | :46:47. | :46:53. | |
Europe, we saw traditional parties being punished by outsiders. In | :46:54. | :47:04. | |
Wales, Labour topped the polls but very narrowly. We should get the | :47:05. | :47:14. | |
thoughts from there in a moment. The line has just dropped away. | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
Apologies. The Conservatives had topped the poll last time around and | :47:18. | :47:22. | |
Wales so a big turnabout in Wales. We will get thoughts there. Jeremy | :47:23. | :47:29. | |
Vine taking us through the polling and the results in different parts | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
of Europe. Letters look at the European perspective. With me is | :47:33. | :47:41. | |
Matt Pearson, who promotes European reform and Peter Wilder. Who is in a | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Your headline for this? The big | :47:47. | :47:57. | |
story across Europe is the rise of antiestablishment parties in seven | :47:58. | :47:59. | |
different countries and the big question is, how can politicians | :48:00. | :48:06. | |
respond) press ahead with more centralisation or choose a different | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
path, reform? This is an amazing wake`up call for the established | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
parties. Instead of cowering in the corner, they should recognise that | :48:17. | :48:20. | |
this message is antiestablishment and what the British public wants is | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
clear direction. And all three leaders, they could get that, but | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
they have been frightened of the press and themselves for too long. | :48:31. | :48:36. | |
Isn't the message clear, the public do not want the sort of Europe and | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
structures that you want? Exactly. The unfortunate thing is, David | :48:42. | :48:47. | |
Cameron and David Miliband and `` Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg agree that | :48:48. | :48:54. | |
change should happen and those leaders have a very clear choice, | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
either make change or lose Europe. For decades, peace and prosperity in | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
Europe, built around these structures. If that is castaway, | :49:05. | :49:13. | |
what are you left with? I would argue that you could be left with | :49:14. | :49:16. | |
something far worse than the reform option. A system of nation states | :49:17. | :49:23. | |
where people are set back several decades. Some people perhaps might | :49:24. | :49:34. | |
want that. Europe with borders. And I think that would be the worst | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
option so I think it is essential that we press on with some reforms | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
and it is interesting to see that some of his founding members, | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
including in France, have gone this way. Immigration has played so big. | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
In terms of reforming that, how do you reform that when we have freedom | :49:56. | :50:03. | |
of movement? We would argue that one way of doing that is to change the | :50:04. | :50:08. | |
rules around access to benefits because if you look at a lot of | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
these parties, one of the points are making is they come here... Is that | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
a red herring? There might be people who come here for benefits but the | :50:18. | :50:23. | |
majority of people come for jobs and although sorts of reasons, | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
legitimately? I would argue that on the whole, free movement has been | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
beneficial for the UK and other countries but this is about ensuring | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
voters have confidence in the political system and showing voters | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
we have transparent and sensible rose around access to benefits. That | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
is an easy way to take away some of the oxygen from the stronger | :50:48. | :50:53. | |
anti`immigration parties. You talk about trade and all of these reasons | :50:54. | :50:57. | |
to be in the EU. Is the problem that am actually, a lot of people are not | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
listening to that? They have trained eye to those thoughts because | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
immigration is so big? `` trimmed out. People want firm direction, | :51:08. | :51:15. | |
they want Britain to be powerful in Europe and the world and that is | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
like Nigel Farage appeals, he has a clear message. `` that is why. 75 | :51:20. | :51:27. | |
percentage people here think we have zero influence in Europe and people | :51:28. | :51:29. | |
think this country has been ganged up upon. The German and the French | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
run the show. Nothing could be further from the truth and it is up | :51:36. | :51:40. | |
to Westminster to make the case for British leadership clearly. After | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
these results, how can this country be viewed by all of those countries | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
and Brussels? This is not just a British phenomenon, this is across | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
Europe. What has to happen is a member states who want to move | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
Europe into a period of change with jobs and growth, they simply have to | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
get around the table and say, the British have a plan, we have signed | :52:05. | :52:11. | |
up to this plan, let us do it. In terms of David Cameron, his strategy | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
has been laid out, negotiate, and more powers back, do these results, | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
do they make it harder or easier for him in that discussion? It is a | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
double`edged sword. On the one hand, of course, this might serve as a | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
welcome Ashbury wake`up call to leaders. If you give voters a choice | :52:33. | :52:40. | |
between no Europe or more, they will choose no Europe. `` wake`up call. | :52:41. | :52:49. | |
On the other hand, the European Parliament itself might actually be | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
more centralised because the main groups in the Parliament that tends | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
to put the same have a strong incentive to gang up and freeze out | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
the other contingent and the parliament will have a strong say | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
over some of these items in the reform agenda. I disagree. The | :53:10. | :53:17. | |
Parliament looks in on itself, it is a longer left versus right, it is in | :53:18. | :53:23. | |
and out, it has no particular power or leadership to stage a member | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
states, listen to us. It will not be an obstacle change because the | :53:28. | :53:29. | |
member states need the change to happen. Thank you both very much for | :53:30. | :53:36. | |
joining us. We have run out of time. Plenty more in the coming minutes. | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
Let's return to the studio. Thank you very much. The Pope has paid the | :53:42. | :53:56. | |
Holocaust memorial site a visit. He spoke of the boundless tragedy of | :53:57. | :54:03. | |
the Holocaust, describing it is as an unfathomable abyss. He travelled | :54:04. | :54:10. | |
there and kissed the hands of solid cost `` Holocaust survivors in the | :54:11. | :54:18. | |
hall of remembrance. As you can see. He said, never again, Lord. We will | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
have full coverage of this continuing visit, he has invited | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
both sides of the conflict to the Vatican and they have so far given | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
it positive response to that. More later on that. Pfizer is expected to | :54:33. | :54:38. | |
make a statement today admitting defeat in the attempted takeover | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
AstraZeneca. The latest offer was rejected by AstraZeneca's board and | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
Pfizer has until 5pm to make a better offer or withdraw. Current | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
rules say that public can try again after six months. Let's get the | :54:52. | :55:00. | |
weather forecast. Carol is on the balcony. | :55:01. | :55:07. | |
As they go through today, we're looking at a mixture of bright | :55:08. | :55:14. | |
spells, sunshine and showers. The weekend that we get headers looking | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
unsettled, breezy and it will feel cool but for some others, there will | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
be sunny spells as well. Through the course of the early part of today, | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
we have seen rain coming in, across the English Channel, particularly | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
heavy towards the West and we have had a plethora of showers and they | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
will continue through the day. In between, lovely blue skies. Low | :55:37. | :55:42. | |
pressure in charge and through the latter part of today and | :55:43. | :55:43. | |
pressure in charge and through the latter part tonight and tomorrow, | :55:44. | :55:46. | |
this weather front is coming our way, ringing heavy rain. This | :55:47. | :55:52. | |
morning, we still have showers, some merging to give longer spells of | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
rain and still showers towards the West and in between, bright skies | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
meaning high cloud and also some sunny spells also. They could be | :56:01. | :56:04. | |
potent, particularly afternoon across Northern Ireland, | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
where they could be thundery. Thundery showers for Scotland, not | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
as heavy as yesterday in Edinburgh and sunshine in between. Northern | :56:14. | :56:20. | |
England, Cumbria will see sunshine but for the rest, lots of cloud | :56:21. | :56:26. | |
around and though showers. East Anglia, Essex and Kent, some | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
sunshine through the afternoon again but we can also see showers and in | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
the Midlands, some could be quite heavy. For the South`West, bright | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
spells and sunny skies, one or two showers affecting parts of Wales but | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
a lot of dry weather with sunny intervals. Overnight, lots of | :56:45. | :56:50. | |
showers will drift towards the West and they will be replaced in the | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
East by this next system coming from the continent and that will bring | :56:54. | :56:58. | |
heavy rain. East Anglia and Leicestershire and Lincolnshire and | :56:59. | :57:01. | |
South Yorkshire. That will be with us tomorrow and we will also drag in | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
this onshore wind so it will feel particularly cold on the East Coast | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
but inland, the wind will also be brisk. And still, some scattered | :57:11. | :57:19. | |
showers towards the West. And in between, some bright spells and | :57:20. | :57:22. | |
sunny intervals. As we move into Wednesday, more of the same, rain | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
piling in from the East, moving into Northern Lincolnshire and southern | :57:29. | :57:31. | |
Scotland and possibly West of Scotland as well. Still onshore | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
winds and for the North of Scotland and parts of Northern Ireland and | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
Wales and towards the South`West, we will see something Emma Dreier. At | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
least we can keep right up to date online. `` something Dreier. | :57:44. | :58:20. | |
National. This is BBC News live from | :58:21. | :58:35. | |
Westminster where for the first time since 1910, nuclear Labour nor the | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
Conservatives have won a national election. | :58:40. | :58:42. | |
`` neither Labour nor the Conservatives. The UK Independence | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
Party emerges as the major winner in the European electionings, topping | :58:47. | :58:49. | |
the poll with almost 28% of the vote. | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
My dream's become a reality and, despite the onslaught we face over | :58:53. | :58:56. | |
the last few weeks as if the whole world was against us, the British | :58:57. | :59:00. | |
public have stood firm, backed UKIP and we've won a national election. | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
The challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that we have the plan to | :59:06. | :59:09. | |
deliver that change, to renegotiate Britain's place in Europe to get a | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
debt b better deal for Britain, then to put the choice to the British | :59:14. | :59:16. | |
people in an in`out referendum before the end of 2017. | :59:17. | :59:25. | |
The biggest losers failing to hold on to all but one of their seats, | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
the Liberal Democrats. We have taken the unpopular side of | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
an argument and we have been punished. I would do it all over | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
again. Labour fails to break through in key battle grounds, but narrowly | :59:39. | :59:41. | |
beat the Conservatives with 25% of the vote. | :59:42. | :59:48. | |
Across the rest of Europe, Euro`Sceptic and antiestablishment | :59:49. | :59:52. | |
parties make big gains In France, a platical earthquake, | :59:53. | :59:59. | |
the first time the Front National of Marine Le Pen has won a national | :00:00. | :00:03. | |
vote and they take fist place in 70% of departments around the country. | :00:04. | :00:07. | |
We'll bring you the latest reaction and developments live as they happen | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
throughout the day. The other headlines: Pope Francis | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
visits Israel's Holocaust memorial on the third and final day of his | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
Middle East tour. And in Ukraine, billionaire | :00:21. | :00:28. | |
confectionary magistrate e`Mr Porochenko looks to have won the | :00:29. | :00:29. | |
first election. Good morning and welcome live from | :00:30. | :00:52. | |
Westminster as the politicians here take stock of last night's dramatic | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
European election results. The UK Independence Party's emphatic | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
victory in the European elections, well, it's sent a jolt through the | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
other political parties with results from Northern Ireland and Scotland | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
still to come in. Nigel Farage's UKIP's won 23 seats so far | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
increasing its presence in the European Parliament by ten MEPs. | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
Those gains have come largely at the expense of the Liberal Democrats who | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
lost all by one of their seats. The Conservatives lost seven seats | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
in Brussels, whilst the Labour Party has gained the same amount following | :01:26. | :01:34. | |
its result last time around. In 2009, the Conservatives held the | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
biggest share of the vote. Now UKIP dominates. Earlier, the party's | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
Deputy Leader said the result shows support for UKIP could no longer be | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
dismissed as a protest vote. Here is our Political Correspondent, Ross | :01:49. | :01:55. | |
Hawkins. It looked good for UKIP last night, | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
toasting the results with champagne in mugs and after having beaten | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
their rivals nationwide, it looked better to their leader this morning. | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
My dream's become a reality. Despite the onslaught, as if the whole world | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
was against us, the British politic have stood firm, they have backed | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
UKIP and we have won a national election. I'm over the moon. | :02:17. | :02:30. | |
It went wrong because there's a very febrile anti`European atmosphere in | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
this country at the moment. There's a general disaffection with politics | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
and politicians. More votes and more MEPs for Labour, they beat the | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
Conservatives but only just and everyone's wondering how UKIP did so | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
well. This isn't really about Europe. We | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
know that there was a huge amount of discontent, both with the economy | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
really coming after the 2008`09 crash and with politics generally. | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
For the Conservatives, in third place, similar questions. | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
I think the results show a clear message which is people are deeply | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
the disillusioned with the European Union, with the way that it's | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
working for Britain and they want change, the challenge is now for my | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
party to demonstrate that we have the plan to deliver that change. | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
There were scuffles as the BNP arrived at Manchester Town Hall, but | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
Nick Griffin had already been beaten by the voters. The big picture | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
though, a UKIP triumph. The question is whether we'll see more of this at | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
the general election. Joining me here at Westminster is | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
Labour's Shadow Business Secretary, Chuka Umunna, thank you very much | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
for your time. There was another poor showing wasn't it, defeated but | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
UKIP and only marginally ahead of the Conservatives? I couldn't agree | :03:48. | :03:56. | |
more. In this election, just passed, we got more than 25% of the vote, 20 | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
MEPs compared to 13. We are waiting for the final results. We expect | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
around 20. That's coming off the back of a very solid performance in | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
the local elections. Is that Be` complacent, given where you were in | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
2009 with Gordon Brown, only just ahead of the Conservatives, as the | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
main opposition party behind UKIP? Let's not forget, we haven't won a | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
European election in over 20 years and that that includes during the | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
premiership and leadership of Tony Blair when we got two landslide | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
victories and a third general election victory. What happens in | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
the European elections isn't necessarily indicative of what | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
happens in a general election, of course. You will remember William | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
Hague won the European elections in 1999 but went down to a landslide | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
defeat in 2001. What we have seen is a good, solid performance, does that | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
mean that the general election is in the bag next year? Absolutely not. | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
We have got to keep building on the success and winning back more | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
support. Sure. In terms of the local election result, you saw us putting | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
on seats in the crucial marginal constituency seats. But there is a | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
theme with UKIP isn't there, affecting all of the main parties, | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
but is your colleague Jon Mann right that you made an error, you didn't | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
take them on strongly enough? I don't agree with that. What I think | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
you will see, going into the general election, UKIP have stated they want | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
to get 20 seat at the general election, is that there'll be more | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
scrutiny of their policies. Nigel Farage has been saying this is | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
beyond... I'm talking ability you, Labour? But it comes to us because | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
this is about policy, how it's going to affect your viewers' lives, is it | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
going to affect them. But I'm asking how you plan to get the voters back. | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
Is Ed Balls right when he says that you need to be clearer, talk more | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
about immigration? We have been talking about immigration. He's | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
talking about... Saying he'll toughen up on border control, we'll | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
ensure people are counted in and out, he'll stop the exploitation of | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
workers which is bad for migrant Labour because they get exploited, | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
it's bad for Labour in this country because they get undercut. He's | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
going to do things about that. All of the parties have been losing | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
support to UKIP, but what UKIP has become is a repository for people's | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
anger within the economy and the political system. I wouldn't deny, | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
by the why there are people who vote UKIP because they believe they have | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
got strong views on the European Union, but above and beyond, it's | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
about people's discontent. You are slightly guessing, but I wonder if | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
you have got a credibility problem in terms of what you did on | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
immigration whilst you were in Government because, as you touched | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
upon it, you have got a lot of policies that perhaps working class | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
people would support the minimum wadge for example, zero hour | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
contract, rent, all those thing, yet you are losing those people towel | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
kip. That is a problem vsmt people tuned you out because they don't | :06:55. | :07:01. | |
trust you on immigration `` people to UKIP. That is the problem. If you | :07:02. | :07:11. | |
looked at Labour's vote between 1997 and 2005, we lost four to five | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
million vote, including in heartland areas. Part of the problem was that | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
the massive explosion in globalisation, technological change | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
passed many communities by. If we say for example got rid of the | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
Eastern European immigrants, pulled out the EU as UKIP suggests, would | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
it solve the problem that so many of our businesses... Nigel Farage is | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
right though, if you stay within the EU, you cannot control legitimate | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
immigration? That is the problem isn't it? That's not right. There | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
was a habitual residents test which you have to be able to comply with | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
to claim benefits, you have to be able to show that you can work here | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
for example. What I'm saying is, if all those Eastern Europeans that he | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
talks about often in very unfavourable ways and nasty horrible | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
terms, if they left our country, would the businesses be able to | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
recruit people with the skills they need, no, because we need to sort | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
out the skills system, to get more engineering and technical skills for | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
young people and apprenticeships. UKIP in a way are subject to a test | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
that we are not subject to. UKIP say to people, you are angry, we are | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
angry too and that builds support. The job for prospective parties of | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
Government is to come up with solutions and I want your viewers, | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
their children who're watching this programme, I want to ensure they | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
have got the right skills that our businesses need. That the solution. | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
Sure but you are only 12 months out from an election. Why aren't you | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
doing better? Do you think part of the reason is, Graham Stringer was | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
critical of the strategy and the way the leadership's been directing the | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
party and communicating with the public, do you have an Ed Miliband | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
problem? I don't accept the picture you are painting. I've got lots of | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
respect for Graham but let's not forget in May 2010, if you asked | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
people whether Labour could be a one`term opposition, they would have | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
laughed at you. People are seriously considering us as a proposition for | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
Government next year now. We put on around 2,000 councillors before we | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
went in. Sure, you made that point. Address the point about Ed Miliband | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
because... I don't think... YouGov were saying they done polling, 56% | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
of people saying they think he looks and sounds a bit weird. Poll goes up | :09:24. | :09:30. | |
and down. What matters is. He's at the lowest in terms of possible | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
ratings. Is that part of the problem? Yes. | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
I will talk to you about how we put on 10% more. I talked to you about | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
how we have dealt with things we need to do. I'm asking why you are | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
not further ahead in the polls in two sets of elections after four | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
years of austerity and I'm asking you is it to do partly with your | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
leader? No, it's not. I ask you to remember, we went down to the second | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
worst defeat in 2010 and we have sought to rebuild. That's what we | :10:07. | :10:08. | |
have done. Approached this with humility in light of the big defeat | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
we went down to in 2010. Safe in the knowledge that we have got to do | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
even better than already to win next year. You will have pored over the | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
weekend papers and seen your name mentioned as a possible successor to | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
Ed Miliband, does that interest you? Not at all. I backed his leadership | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
campaign before anybody thought he could become the leader of the | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
Labour Party because I thought he was the one who was best qualified | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
to become Prime Minister. That is still the case and any talk of soap | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
opera nonsense that you get around this place is totally | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
self`indulgent. What everybody is focussed on in the Labour Party is | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
ensuring that we have Ed Miliband as our Prime Minister this time in next | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
year to deliver a better tomorrow for your viewers. They've for your | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
time here on BBC News. `` thank you very much for your time here on BBC | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
News. We'll wait to hear from Nick Clegg. Still haven't heard from him. | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
We heard from Tim Farron through the night in terms of their reaction to | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
the devastating results for the Liberal Democrats, but the Prime | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
Minister has been speaking in the last hour or so, and David Cameron | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
said that people are deeply disillusioned with the EU. Let us | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
hear that. I think the results show a very | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
clear message which is people are deeply disillusioned with the | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
European Union, the way that it's working and working for Britain and | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
they want change. The challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
we have the plan to deliver that change, to renegotiate Britain's | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
place in Europe, to get a better deal for Britain, to change Europe | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
and then to put the choice to the British people in an in`out | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
referendum before the end of 2017. That is what we'll do and the real | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
test for that plan will come at the next general election. There are | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
people saying that people voting for UKIP aren't necessarily just | :11:54. | :11:55. | |
interested in Europe and that this is a kicking of the major parties, | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
on the other hand perhaps you are completely out of touch on the | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
issues that people really care about? Well, people use elections | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
like this to send messages to the Government and the message on Europe | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
I absolutely receive and understand which is people want change in | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
Europe. Of course after a long and difficult recession, people do have | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
other things they are frustrated about. Them to see more jobs, they | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
want to see higher living standards and see us complete our long`term | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
economic plan and I see that as a demand for us to deliver and we've | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
got to demonstrate that tackling immigration, reforming welfare, | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
getting Britain's place right in Europe, all of these things are part | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
of our long`term economic plan that has seen an increase in the number | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
of people in work, taxes cut, the deficit down, but there's a lot more | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
to do. How do you feel about UKIP now? I know you are sticking to the | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
line that really a vote next year is just for a Conservative Government. | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
But realistically, isn't a pact a good idea? | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
I believe we can win the next election outright and we should put | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
in front of people our message which is let's complete the long`term | :13:02. | :13:03. | |
economic plan which is turning this country around. So we can win that | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
election, we are going to have to work harder, do more and convince | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
more people and that is what I'll be spending my time doing this next 350 | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
days. One question about Nick Clegg. He's looking vulnerable. He is your | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
Deputy Prime Minister. days. One question about Nick Clegg. | :13:19. | :13:19. | |
He's looking vulnerable. He Where does in all leave the coalition, | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
especially if he goes? Well, the coal six a sfroning Government | :13:25. | :13:26. | |
that's delivering for Britain, particularly in terms of turning | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
round our economy, getting people back to work, cutting tacks. That | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
work will continue. People will be in no doubt, or should be in no | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
doubt that we have a strong, determined Government with a clear | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
plan and that plan continues. A coalition without Nick Clegg, how | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
does that work though? Look, the Liberal Democrats, that's for them | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
to decide themselves, I'm very clear, we have a strong coalition | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
Government that is effectively changing our country, putting people | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
back to work, cutting people eats taxes, getting the deficit down, we | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
have a very clear plan. My job as Prime Minister is to stick to and | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
deliver that plan. That's what I'll be working flat out doing over the | :14:04. | :14:05. | |
next 350 days. The full Scottish result will be | :14:06. | :14:13. | |
known until lunchtime, as no counting is permitted | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
in the Western Isles on a Sunday. As it stands UKIP is on course to | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
win its first Scottish while the SNP Significant, because when you look | :14:20. | :14:33. | |
across the whole of the country, there is likely to be in UKIP | :14:34. | :14:40. | |
presence. That is right. You cannot talk about a political earthquake in | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
Scotland, because UKIP support is nowhere near what it is in other | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
parts of the UK, but you could certainly say, Andy suggested, that | :14:49. | :14:55. | |
it looks as though UKIP will have representation in Scotland as well | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
as the rest of the UK, and that is a bit of a surprise for the | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
established parties in Scotland. One of the big pictures before polling | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
day last week was, vote for us to keep UKIP out of Scotland, and that | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
appeal has failed to some extent and means that the SNP has some | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
explaining to do as to how it is that this right`wing party seems to | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
have gained some significance in a part of the UK and Scotland which is | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
generally seen as being more left`wing than the rest of the | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
country. People cannot have voted without | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
thinking about the referendum, that is not that far away. Is there | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
anything from these sets of results in the way people have voted that | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
will perhaps any of the parties would be looking at them and | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
thinking, idea like the way that has gone? If you look at the governing | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
party in Scotland, their votes has held up, 29%, as it was more or less | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
in 2009, so there is some comfort for them there. Labour's that has | :16:04. | :16:10. | |
gone up and the Tory's that has gone up marginally. The Liberal Democrats | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
are in sixth place below the Green Party and UKIP. To some extent, | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
people's votes will have been polarized if they are thinking about | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
the vote in the `` referendum in September. If they `` it is very | :16:25. | :16:34. | |
difficult to extrapolate, because you cannot say that if you are | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
voting SNP if you are in favour of independence, but all of the main | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
parties will take some comfort from the fact that there votes have held | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
up generally, apart from the Lib Dems, since 2009. | :16:49. | :16:57. | |
In Wales, Labour narrowly came top in the polls, | :16:58. | :16:59. | |
In terms of the story from Wales, the Tories won last time around in | :17:00. | :17:15. | |
2009, so a big turnaround. It is a curious mix of all change, and as | :17:16. | :17:22. | |
the shutter and the four Welsh seats in the European Parliament remained | :17:23. | :17:33. | |
in the hands of Labour and UKIP. That is `` but look beyond that and | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
there are have been some very big indeed in the number of votes, the | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
share of the votes that each of those four parties have had. In | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
2009, the Conservatives topped the poll, and this time it is Labour, no | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
surprise there, very much in line with what the opinion polls were | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
suggesting. But Labour has fallen considerably short of the number of | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
votes it needed to win two seats in the European Parliament for Wales, | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
that is the gold that was set, and they have not reached that. By | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
contrast, UKIP are delighted, because they came second in Wales, | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
just a whisker behind Labour, 0.6% of the vote, in fact. Throughout the | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
campaign, UKIP had been saying they thought they had a chance of topping | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
the poll in Wales. They very nearly did do that. 4500 votes short of | :18:29. | :18:36. | |
what Labour had tallied. In 2009, UKIP had surprised even themselves, | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
I think, by winning a seat in Wales, a contrast with last night | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
where they came ahead of the Conservatives comfortably. The | :18:47. | :18:48. | |
Conservatives have slipped back from 2009, in which they topped the polls | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
in Wales, the first time in a very long time, the first time since 1918 | :18:54. | :19:02. | |
that Labour had not topped the poll. There were some polls suggesting | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
that one party was in danger of losing its seat in the European | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
element. Jill Evans is the party's and she been since 1999 and she is | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
going to keep her seat. The `` the party's MEP. Things have really been | :19:19. | :19:27. | |
shaken up. Let's have a look at a European story that's emerged. Let's | :19:28. | :19:49. | |
look in`depth at what across Europe. Let's had to Brussels. An emergency | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
cabinet meeting this morning. Yes, big shock in the UK and in France, | :19:56. | :20:02. | |
where the national front is shaking things up for stop the president's | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
own front has had its worst showing ever in European elections. But | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
don't know if you can see behind me, the this is the up`to`date results | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
here at the European Parliament. They are showing that the two big | :20:20. | :20:26. | |
blocks, 214 on the right, 189 on the left, they are all pro`integration | :20:27. | :20:40. | |
with the EU, and they are going to control the European Parliament. One | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
insider said to me this morning that there might be a grand coalition | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
that seeks to deepen the powers of the EU even further. We are not | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
quite sure how much influence the insurgents can wield here, but they | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
are certainly going to try to be disruptive. A first for the national | :20:57. | :21:12. | |
front. One in four of the votes cast in France went to the | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
anti`immigrant, far right party, a huge jump in support. The party's | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
leader said that the sovereign people had spoken loudly and wanted | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
to be masters of their own destiny. It was a vote against the unpopular | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
socialist president but also against EU membership as well. The NT way | :21:33. | :21:45. | |
macro Danish party `` when MEP meteor, they will be critical of... | :21:46. | :21:52. | |
The mainstream centre`right and centerleft parties will have a voice | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
here, but there will be a disruptive block of dissent. | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
And they don't just come from the right. In Greece, a radical left | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
party topped the poll. The country has been hardest hit by the | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
austerity and one by opposing the cuts. The far right old and on came | :22:13. | :22:19. | |
the third, winning MEP for the first time. There has been a backlash | :22:20. | :22:22. | |
against Europe and immigration and it is the front national's win in | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
France and the wind of UKIP in Britain that define this election. | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
Let's go to France now, to our correspondent in Paris. An upsurge | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
of anger against the establishment. How has the establishment reacted? | :22:43. | :22:49. | |
Some gloomy faces around the establishment this morning. Good | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
morning from Paris. You might agonize that big thing behind me. | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
This was the scene of a massacre during the Revolution, and some | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
might see a massacre in these figures for the two mainstream | :23:02. | :23:08. | |
parties. There have been some revolutionary ideas about the way | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
the French feel about Europe at the moment. It is not just a regional | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
result, it is right across the country, they finished top, 17% | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
around the country, and they have taken the bulk of the working`class | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
vote and 30% of the votes of people who are under 35. Let's have a | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
closer look at these figures and how they break down. 25.41% of the vote, | :23:30. | :23:37. | |
a huge surge for the front national. They had just three seats | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
in the European Parliament and now they will have between 23 and 25. | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
The party of the former president Nicolas Sarkozy went down to 20%. | :23:49. | :23:56. | |
They have lost between eight and ten seats. Just look at the socialists. | :23:57. | :24:06. | |
A lamentable performance. A real crisis mode within the Socialist | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
Party at the moment. They have lost between three and four seats. A | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
crisis meeting of the cabinet this meet `` morning. The headline coming | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
out of that is they are going to try and cut taxes for middle and lower | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
income families. How they are going to do that, goodness only knows. | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
They are under pressure from Brussels to cut this deficit that | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
they have here in France. Lots of things to think about. Prices on the | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
left and right. `` crises. Immigration will be looked at, and | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
to think what you will get in that Parliament building behind you is a | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
block of French parliamentarians who really want reform, not just the | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
national front, but the UNP as well, and they are going to what answers | :24:54. | :25:02. | |
in the months ahead. We are about to move to Berlin, but let me show you | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
what is happening behind us. This is the leadership of one of the big | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
parties, the party of European Socialists, and they are talking | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
about what they do next, they are talking about growth, the need to | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
make themselves relevant economically. We are going to take | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
you to Berlin, where our correspondent has been watching the | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
results. It was not the insurgent earthquake, but it was an | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
interesting alternative. Not an earthquake but certainly a | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
tremor, something for Chancellor Merkel to think about. And in the | :25:33. | :25:40. | |
euro party got 70% of the votes, and that gets it into the political | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
system, if you like, so there is a strong view that the euro has had | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
its day. The majority parties remain. The voice is now in there. | :25:49. | :25:56. | |
What does it mean for Britain? If the debate in Germany was two years | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
ago, about how much power should go from Berlin to Brussels, in other | :26:04. | :26:05. | |
words, an assumption that the movement was all in that direction, | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
the presence of alternative for Deutsche land Dean's that will slow | :26:11. | :26:16. | |
at that the `` means that will slow that process up. Angela Merkel knows | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
there is skepticism about integration and that might make her | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
more amenable to phone calls from David Cameron to do something about | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
that process. On top of that, because of a change in the rules | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
here, we have got a whole host of very small parties, all getting one | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
seat. The far right have got one seat, some call them neo`Nazis, but | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
they deny that, but they are certainly extreme right and they | :26:44. | :26:51. | |
will have one seat. A party called the party, it gets one seat. The | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
German contribution to the parliaments will be very mixed and | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
very different ends very much harder to predict in its behaviour. | :27:02. | :27:08. | |
Just briefly, you have talked about the way that Angela Merkel might be | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
speaking with David Cameron, but you also have to think about the Franco | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
German access at the heart of the European Union, and the French | :27:18. | :27:19. | |
people are saying they would like to pull back. | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
The one thing that comes from the governing party this year is, this | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
morning, is dismayed about the situation in France, and I thing | :27:30. | :27:32. | |
that will make Angela Merkel think, we really do need prison within the | :27:33. | :27:39. | |
European Union, and also, how do we get this position of the euro back | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
when there is this jaundiced view across the whole of the continent, | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
this you that something has gone out later on, that's the direction has | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
been a bit too fast in the wrong direction. | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
Thank you very much. Just referring to what is happening behind me, what | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
is being said by the party of European Socialists, is that their | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
candidate for the president of the European Commission is a centerleft | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
candidate and they want him to get that position that we have heard | :28:11. | :28:17. | |
only a few minutes and the candidate on the centre`right says, it is my | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
turn. There is haggling for the top jobs that could help design the | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
weight Europe goes over the next five years. | :28:27. | :28:36. | |
Thank you very much. Plenty more from around Europe and the major | :28:37. | :28:47. | |
capitals in the next few moments. Ed Miliband giving his reaction to last | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
night's results. Labour made good progress pushing the Tories into | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
third place for the first time ever in a national election. | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
But I think what last night also reflects, including among those who | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
voted for UKIP, is a desire for Europe to work better for Britain | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
and also a deep sense of discontent with the way this country is run and | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
the way our economy works. I'm absolutely determined over the next | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
year to show people that Labour can bring the change. | :29:16. | :29:25. | |
Doesn't this tell you though it's time to think about offering the | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
British public a referendum? We set our orposition for the election on | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
the referendum. We'll have one if there's any transfer of power to the | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
European Union. But I think these results go much deeper than what's | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
happening in Europe. I think there are a lot about what's happening in | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
Britain and that people think Britain doesn't work for them and | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
our economy doesn't work for them. My priority as Prime Minister will | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
be to tackle that and show we can tackle the big issues people worry | :29:52. | :29:58. | |
about in this country. When you look at the turnout, you could say the | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
winner was apathy, followed by Euro`Scepticism, people don't just | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
want a referendum on power, but they want one on whether to be in Europe? | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
I think you are right about the turnout. It's true that two thirds | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
of people didn't vote. I think that's a sign that there is huge | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
discontent with the political process and indeed all the party's | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
standings from those that didn't vote. Our task is to show people | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
that whether it's about their son or daughter getting a job, the | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
cost`of`living crisis, the NHS, so many of the issues they are worried | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
about that people talk to me around the country about, we cannance that | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
call for change. It's all about changing Britain, that's what the | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
Labour could would do `` can answer that call for change. | :30:43. | :30:49. | |
There were people saying that you should have done better in the | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
European elections. Do you take responsibility We won the local | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
election, beat the Tories in the European elections, we were making | :30:59. | :31:01. | |
gains in some of the key seats that we need to win for the general | :31:02. | :31:04. | |
election. So these elections show Labour make program gross. We have | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
got further to go and I'm absolutely determined we do that. Could you | :31:09. | :31:11. | |
have done better and should you have? I think we did well from a | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
party that in 2010 got one of its worst shares of the vote ever in an | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
election. Labour is a party over the last few years that has been making | :31:22. | :31:24. | |
progress. There's further to go but I believe we are in a position where | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
we can win the general election. Are you election.` really on track for | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
that though? The European elections and local election results don't put | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
you in a strong enough position for a majority in Westminster next year. | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
I think if you look in detail at what the results were in those local | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
elections, you see that in lots of the key areas that we need to win | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
right across Britain, they have been really important target seats. | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
Labour was winning those key seats, if you look at the votes that were | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
cast. I think that is a sign that Labour can win the general election, | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
we have got further to go, but I'm determined that we do win. | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
When you look at the big picture, the results show an electorate that | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
in many ways is moving to the right. You are at the Head of A party which | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
is in some ways moving to the left. Aren't you going the wrong way? I | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
don't see it that way. I see deep discontent, a sense that it hasn't | :32:20. | :32:26. | |
worked for people for some time now. People are asking whether any | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
politician can turn it around. We are a party that says Britain | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
does need to change, unlike the Conservatives who say everything's | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
fixed and getting better. Our job over the next year is to show people | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
that we can bring the change we need. We have convinced some people | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
of that, we need to convince more of that. That's what I'm going to do. | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
You seem to have done well in London in the sets of elections. You seem | :32:48. | :32:54. | |
to be in tune with the country here, but less so beyond the capital. | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
London in some ways save you from coming third in the European | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
elections. Do you worry about how well you are | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
doing outside London? It's a varying picture across the UK, as you saw at | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
the local elections and the European elections last night. All I snow | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
that across the country, people asking a similar question. They are | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
asking questions about the future for their kids and whether they can | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
make ends meet. They are asking about whether this | :33:24. | :33:30. | |
country over a long period of time, why their hard work isn't being | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
rewarded by life getting better. It's those questions that people | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
were asking, and it's those fundamental questions that need to | :33:39. | :33:40. | |
be answered and that's what I believe Labour will do. | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
Finally, this has been an astonishing result for UKIP, topping | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
a national pole without having a single MP. Would you like to | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
congratulate Nige feel Raj? Of course I will congratulate him on | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
winning the elections. I think the questions that will be asked about | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
UKIP in the year ahead towards the general election is where they stand | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
on some of the major issues that will be decided in a general | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
election, where they stand on taxation and spending and the | :34:09. | :34:10. | |
National Health Service, those questions will be asked of UKIP. But | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
I think the task for Labour is to understand lessons of the elections | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
and show that we can answer that desire for change. Many people | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
voting for UKIP will say we are discontent with the way the country | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
works and we are asking whether politics can answer that. I intend | :34:28. | :34:29. | |
to show we can. Thank you very much. | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
Ed Miliband there with his reaction to the results, saying there was | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
deep discontent within the country. Our job, he said, is to show people | :34:40. | :34:42. | |
we can bring the change. He was asked about the referendum position, | :34:43. | :34:49. | |
no change in that position. We heard Graeme Stringer earlier urging him | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
to trust the people. He said there would be no referendum unless there | :34:53. | :35:01. | |
was a transfer of power. He was asked should he have done | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
better and he made the point there's further to go, they are making | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
progress he thought and he said they could still win the general | :35:09. | :35:11. | |
election. Those the headline thoughts from the Labour leader. | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
We'll have more from here in the coming minutes. | :35:15. | :35:23. | |
Let's catch up with the weather. Boar Thank you. A contrast in | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
weather conditions this Bank Holiday Monday. Northern areas seeing | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
sunshine. Many areas will be unsettled with | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
rain at times, breezy in the east. The best of the conditions will be | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
across the extreme north and west of the UK. You have the rain across | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
central southern areas into the south`east. Heavy bursts mixed in, | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
but gradually it will fragment. Sunshine developing to spark off | :35:50. | :35:52. | |
heavy showers, there are certainly some across Scotland and Northern | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
Ireland, into the south`west, some thundery and slow`moving too. | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
Tonight, a few showers still around, but the focus will be the rain | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
moving in off the near continue tent into the counties. | :36:07. | :36:17. | |
Breezy and cool down the East Coast. In the sunshine further west, it | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
will feel warm with a top temperature of 18. | :36:23. | :36:32. | |
We are taking stock of those We are taking stock of those | :36:33. | :36:39. | |
European elections results And analysing what it mean force the | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
main parties. We'll have reaction from across Europe in a moment, but | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
if you are just joining us, welcome, we'll take you through. | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
Nige feel Raj #15ied the dream has become a reality. | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
Startling performance from UKIP in the European elections. | :36:56. | :37:02. | |
23 MEPs with a 27% share of the vote. He said that was the most | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
extraordinary result in British politics for 100 years. Now, the | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
Liberal Democrats, they have faced almost wipe out, only winning one | :37:13. | :37:19. | |
MEP, they have been pushed into fifth. Labour have made gains, only | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
just ahead to the vote share of the Conservatives. | :37:25. | :37:32. | |
UKIP making a gain of 10 MEPs in those seats that they have won. So | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
those the results in so far. Still waiting for the results in the | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
Northern Ireland and in Scotland. In Scotland we expect the results to | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
come in around lunch time. Let's get the thoughts of Norman Smith and | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
Norman, what is your analysis of the results we have had? | :37:53. | :37:59. | |
Well, a huge, huge triumph, very obviously, for UKIP who now say they | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
believe they are on course for seats at the general election and may even | :38:04. | :38:13. | |
hold the balance of power. Whether it's an earthquake, we'll | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
have to see, but the tea cups are rattling and the ground is shaking. | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
Let's be honest, this is not a general election. | :38:21. | :38:30. | |
Half of UKIP's supporters say they'll stick with them at the | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
general election. That means their support goes down to 14% which makes | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
it harder to win seats at a general election and we know his forically | :38:40. | :38:47. | |
the first`past`the`post system is there, on top of which they are | :38:48. | :38:50. | |
going to have to talk about other policies. They can't keep going on | :38:51. | :38:52. | |
about Europe or immigration. policies. They can't keep going on | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
about Europe They are going to have to come forward with issues on the | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
NHS and the economy. That means they'll be far more open. | :39:00. | :39:06. | |
Many Farage has already indicate head knows he cannot go on as a | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
one`man band. But they are going to have to develop a broader range of | :39:12. | :39:18. | |
credible, individuals, so there's still an awfully long way for you | :39:19. | :39:25. | |
dip go. `` UKIP to go. Be in no doubt, they have caused three main | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
parties huge disquiet and unease as they ponder what on earth they do | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
and how they respond to the UKIP challenge. We have heard some of | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
that. We listened to Ed Miliband, we have heard the Prime Minister | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
earlier and we are waiting to hear from Nick Clegg after almost wipe | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
out in these elections on top of what happened on Friday. Is it | :39:47. | :39:52. | |
survivalable for him? `` survivable for him? I think things are perhaps | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
more ominous for him than those around him appear to appreciate. | :39:58. | :40:08. | |
Over the past few hours, we have heard from the party, like Paddy | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
Ashdown and Tim Farron rallying round. It seems there is much more | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
significant discontent and I've learned that the Liberal Democrat | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
Parliamentary candidate, Helen Flynn, standing in the target seat | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
of Harrogate, she's also added her voice to those calling on Nick Clegg | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
to stand down. We have had three Lib Dem Parliamentary candidates who've | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
gone public with demands for her to break ranks. Why I say it's more | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
serious for Nick Clegg than he might realise is this is not an accident, | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
there is a degree of coordination going on here and through the day, I | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
expect we'll see other Liberal Democrats breaking cover to votes | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
their view that the reason the Liberal Democrats did so badly last | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
night and in the locals was very largely because of Nick Clegg who's | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
toxic. They regard him as a leader who must take responsibility and | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
accountability for last night's results and my sense is that we will | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
see a carefully collaborated attempt to crank up the pressure on him. | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
Will we see MPs coming forward to demand he goes? We may. I'm being | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
told we should expect others to break cover. That suggests to me | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
that there is now a view, certain think grass roots, maybe in sections | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
of the Parliamentary party, that it's time for Nick Clegg to go. | :41:28. | :41:34. | |
That's very interesting. We'll watch that through the course of the day. | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
Norman Smith at headquarters, thank you very much for now. Let's get the | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
thoughts of Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green in England and | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
Wales who is with me now. You made a gain last night. We did indeed. I'm | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
very pleased that we have elected the south`west. This is a great gain | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
and a step forward for us and we are seeing Green Party member numbers | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
grow fast. We have a positive message from last night. Is that | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
something you anticipated, to push the Liberal Democrats into fifth? | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
That is what we were hearing. There was deep satisfaction as the vote | :42:11. | :42:12. | |
shows. We are offering a positive change in | :42:13. | :42:27. | |
a Society of Politics that workforce a common good, not just for the good | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
of some. The UKIP vote will force the other main parties to change, is | :42:33. | :42:38. | |
it not? The signs are encouraging. What they have been doing up to now | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
is chasing after UKIP on issues ranging from immigration to climate | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
change. They have been trying to out UKIP. We say we have to stand up to | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
UKIP. The free movement of people in the European Union, for example, is | :42:52. | :42:54. | |
a good thing, to be celebrate and they climate change is here, a | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
reality and we need to act. That makes you, on the first point | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
certainly, out of kilter with the vast swathe to have public that | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
voted. You've saw how they voted yesterday? I think we have to look | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
at what this vote was. It was a vote against things and a vote being | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
driven by fear. How do you know that? Well... People might have | :43:13. | :43:19. | |
looked at the literature, listened to the policies and thought, I like | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
the sound of that? Mr Farage doesn't have any policies, but we hear on | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
the doorstep saying I'm voting you dip give Labour a kicking. If you | :43:30. | :43:36. | |
look at the statistics, the in`out referendum, people said they wanted | :43:37. | :43:42. | |
to stay in Europe, 37% were against `` I'm voting UKIP to give Labour a | :43:43. | :43:45. | |
kicking. A quick question of how you think | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
the results and what happens in Brussels and Strasbourg, how you | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
think it will work there now. You have a lot of antiestablishment | :43:55. | :43:57. | |
representation there, people who almost want to bring the thing down? | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
Yes. So what do you think the effect of that is going to be in terms of | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
how the whole system works? I think that's going to be difficult. It's a | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
problem and Beale there as Greens fighting on the proposal of US free | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
trade deal and fighting to protect and improve environmental standards. | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
I think what we are looking at is potentially creative chaos, just as | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
if the Scots vote yes in the referendum, we are in a period of | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
rapid, massive change that. Opens possibilities up `` that opens up | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
lots of possibilities. Do you think things will slow down in the | :44:32. | :44:53. | |
European Parliament? Let's have a look at how there has | :44:54. | :45:02. | |
been a big vote for the establishment parties of the right. | :45:03. | :45:10. | |
Let's jump around and see how those have gone in countries. Let's see | :45:11. | :45:18. | |
what our correspondent in Athens has to say. What has the reaction been? | :45:19. | :45:25. | |
It is very much the anti`austerity parties that have done well here in | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
Greece, unsurprisingly considering that Greek people have been feeling | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
the pain of austerity perhaps more than most. We have the left`wing | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
party which has done particularly well, top of the polls in the | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
European elections. It now has six MEPs, and its whole message has been | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
about fighting austerity, and its leader has said that this proves | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
that the people of Greece want a change and they want to push for | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
early elections, and he will be meeting with the President of Greece | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
sometime this lunchtime to discuss the possibility of that. It is not | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
clear whether he will get what he is after. The Prime Minister, of new | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
democracy, which came second, does not want there to be early elections | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
in Greece, and we have been hearing in local media that he is likely to | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
have a reshuffle sometime this week in response to these results. On the | :46:21. | :46:27. | |
other side of the political spectrum we have Golden Dawn, who are seen in | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
Greece as being a neo`Nazi party, but they are denying that. Their | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
leader and some of the other politicians and the party are in | :46:38. | :46:40. | |
jail and are being accused of being a criminal organisation. The | :46:41. | :46:47. | |
political `` people have voted for them and they now have three MEP in | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
the European Parliament and they are seen as being so right wing that | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
even Marine Le Pen in France has said she would not want to work with | :46:57. | :46:59. | |
them, so you certainly have both sides of the political spectrum here | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
in Greece getting votes from people who have been feeling the pain of | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
austerity and have been expressing that through the polls. Now we will | :47:07. | :47:12. | |
see what is going on there. Poland see what is going on there. Poland | :47:13. | :47:21. | |
is questioning itself, however in the European figure, just how he | :47:22. | :47:29. | |
could get enough votes to send for MEP to Parliament. He is hugely | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
controversial in this country. He is a self`proclaimed monarchist and | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
thinks democracy is stupid. He has said that women are less intelligent | :47:39. | :47:42. | |
than men so they should not be allowed to vote. There is really no | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
outright winner in this country and stop the centre`right governing | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
party is tied practically neck and neck with the Conservative | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
opposition party. There is barely a percentage points between them and | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
they are both sending 19 MEPs to Brussels. Arguably, the leader of | :48:01. | :48:07. | |
the opposition party, he is saying that they have won because they | :48:08. | :48:12. | |
gained MEPs, said they will be sending those 19 MEPs to boost the | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
figures of the European Conservatives and reformists. The | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
leader of the Civic platform, although they have lost MEPs, they | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
are going together with another centre`right party and they will be | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
sending 23 MEPs to support the European people's party, so they are | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
saying that they have one, however there is no real winner, and with | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
the turnout once again low, 23% bothering to turn up, and it is | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
gloriously sunny here, but no`one is really the winner here in this | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
country. Let's find out what the situation is like in Italy. On a | :48:50. | :48:55. | |
night when Eurosceptics were prospering in so many parts of the | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
continent, a night when so many parties in power were in retreat, | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
here in Rome, the Prime Minister and his pro`European Democratic Party, | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
but `` bucked that trend and eight grand style. They went far bigger | :49:10. | :49:16. | |
than any pollster had dared to predict. They handed a defeat of | :49:17. | :49:21. | |
something like 20 points to their rivals in the Euro five star | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
movement. The movement went into something rather like the Nile | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
through the night as its world collapsed around it. The leader had | :49:31. | :49:39. | |
promised his supporters victory, but he broke cover later this morning to | :49:40. | :49:45. | |
thank those 5 million or more people who did vote for his party, and he | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
urged them to take a look at a rigid Kipling poem, which said, if you | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
can't beat triumph and disaster and treat those both the same, not much | :49:55. | :50:01. | |
more he could give in terms of advice. The Prime Minister emerges | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
from this that very much strengthened and has a purl | :50:07. | :50:15. | |
fulminate now to push through `` very much strengthened. He is | :50:16. | :50:17. | |
talking about pulling Italy out of what he calls a quiet buyer. Back to | :50:18. | :50:27. | |
you in London. Thank you. | :50:28. | :50:34. | |
Let's talk more now on what impact the election results | :50:35. | :50:37. | |
With me are Robert Oxley from Business for Britain and Lucy Thomas | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
What we have seen here is a huge message about change. The voters who | :50:42. | :50:53. | |
have voted over the weekend have chosen parties which are offering a | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
referendum. The party which offered no change, they have been decimated | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
alike twirly, so something is going to change. I've think that is partly | :51:04. | :51:11. | |
right. `` decimated entirely. I've think that is partly right. If you | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
look at recent polling, a majority of people are going to remain `` | :51:17. | :51:26. | |
wants to remain in the EU. You want a better deal for Britain. Very | :51:27. | :51:29. | |
clearly and simply, what is that deal, what do you want that there is | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
not now? A better deal involves less regulation from the EU, a more | :51:36. | :51:40. | |
competitive EU, and a Britain where British business, often you have to | :51:41. | :51:43. | |
comply with all of the regulations of the single market but don't ever | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
use it, so there is scope for change, and there could be in and to | :51:48. | :51:54. | |
the union side of things. With the euros in crisis and an increased | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
number of euros in countries working as a block, there needs to be... | :51:58. | :52:05. | |
There needs to be a lock on that. In terms of the referendum, would it | :52:06. | :52:09. | |
help or hinder to bring it forward to 2016? The timing is important. A | :52:10. | :52:15. | |
referendum will be a component of renegotiation. If it is Ed Miliband | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
or David Cameron, a referendum on have to be offered probably. If they | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
go to the EU trying to get a change in our relationship, they will need | :52:27. | :52:29. | |
a referendum in their back pocket to ensure they are taken seriously. | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
Talking about directives from Brussels, apparently, the debates in | :52:36. | :52:38. | |
Holland were dominated by vacuum cleaners after a directive that the | :52:39. | :52:47. | |
power of section, it baffles many people. In urgent need for reform at | :52:48. | :52:50. | |
the very least, isn't there? Absolutely. Businesses all across | :52:51. | :52:58. | |
the country say that. Nobody thinks that the EU works perfectly. There | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
has been over regulation, and something has to change. There has | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
to be more listening to medium and small sized enterprises. You have to | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
think about the impact on small businesses. The impact assessments | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
have been done within the European Commission and that is not right, it | :53:20. | :53:22. | |
needs to be independent, so there has to be much more thoughts about | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
the impact of regulations, and when national governments disagree with | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
things, they have to listen to, at the moment, the European Commission | :53:31. | :53:36. | |
doesn't listen to them. How much do you think this is a reflection of | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
basic economics? The first test after the global crash, the crisis | :53:43. | :53:47. | |
within the eurozone, is there a chance that, actually, as there is | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
sustained economic growth in the eurozone and people feel better off, | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
some of these issues recede? Yes, I think that is right. This has been a | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
momentous time over the last Parliament with Greece, Spain and | :54:02. | :54:06. | |
others. Adopt the people particularly like that `` I don't | :54:07. | :54:13. | |
think people particularly like that. I've think it is wrong to give a | :54:14. | :54:19. | |
blanket of inclusion about all of the results. The problem with groups | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
like Lucy's is that they have been behind the curve of what the British | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
ones. The British public are not the silent majority of businesses have | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
wanted a change, so I think that is ready movement is going, and | :54:34. | :54:37. | |
clearly, a referendum is going to be on the agenda, and you have big | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
business, along with other enterprises... They can just park | :54:42. | :54:47. | |
themselves somewhere else. They do want a change in the polling shows | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
that more people across a broad range of businesses find that the | :54:53. | :54:58. | |
regulations coming out of the single market are worse than benefits, so | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
there is a change, and that is what the polling reflects. We have run | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
out of time. Thank you very much. We will have plenty more analysis here | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
in the next few moments. It is creeping up to the top of the hour, | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
so we will pause for a moment or two to find out what the weather is | :55:16. | :55:16. | |
doing. For the week ahead, there will be | :55:17. | :55:33. | |
rain pushing in from the east. Across eastern areas it will feel | :55:34. | :55:36. | |
cool towards the north and west of the UK. To start off with, you can | :55:37. | :55:42. | |
see on the radar, this rain that has moved off the continent, heavy rain | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
in the South East corners will continue to come into the Midlands. | :55:47. | :55:52. | |
As we head into towards the afternoon, it will continue to frag | :55:53. | :55:57. | |
meant, some heavy bursts, Sean Murray bursts, I should say, | :55:58. | :56:06. | |
certainly the case `` Shari bursts, I should say. Boundary sometime | :56:07. | :56:16. | |
between the showers. The rain fragmenting. The sharp thundery | :56:17. | :56:22. | |
sometimes. A bit of sunshine across eastern areas. Some heavy showers | :56:23. | :56:31. | |
for the afternoon. The showers continue onto the evening. Your | :56:32. | :56:37. | |
attention towards the eastern parts of England in the South East, the | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
rain will become heavy and persistent in the latter part of the | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
night, but with the clouds in the breeze, nowhere will be particularly | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
cold tonight. Temperatures will be up to around 11 or 12 in the south. | :56:50. | :56:55. | |
From Monday night onwards, an area of low pressure across the near | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
continent which is associated to rain which will be persistent and | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
heavy in eastern counties of England. The course of Tuesday, lots | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
of rain is expected to fall in eastern counties. Localised flooding | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
in places. The breeze will be lighter and there will be some | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
around. Slow`moving, thundery showers. Temperatures will be in the | :57:19. | :57:26. | |
mid to upper teens. On Wednesday, we continue to see that wet weather | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
affecting west and central England. The best of the conditions will be | :57:33. | :57:38. | |
in the north of Scotland in the South West corner. We will see some | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
sunshine maybe a few showers again. Again. It'll be really wet on | :57:43. | :57:46. | |
Tuesday and Wednesday across central parts. More details in an hour. | :57:47. | :58:34. | |
Westminster. For the first time since 1910, neither Labour nor the | :58:35. | :58:36. | |
Conservatives have won a nap election. | :58:37. | :58:41. | |
The UK Independence Party is the big winner the European elections | :58:42. | :58:47. | |
topping the poll with almost 28% of the vote. | :58:48. | :58:52. | |
My dream's become a reality. Despite the onslaught we faced over the last | :58:53. | :58:56. | |
few weeks as if the world was against us, the British public have | :58:57. | :59:00. | |
stood firm and we have won a national election. David Cameron | :59:01. | :59:03. | |
insists the Conservatives can win the next general election despite | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
being pushed into third place as they are narrowly beaten by Labour. | :59:08. | :59:12. | |
I believe we can win the next election outright and we should put | :59:13. | :59:16. | |
in front of people our message which is, let's complete the long`term | :59:17. | :59:19. | |
economic plan that is turning this country around. | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
I think the results go much deeper than what's happening in Europe. | :59:24. | :59:26. | |
There are a lot about what's happening in Britain and that people | :59:27. | :59:29. | |
think that Britain doesn't work for them and our economy doesn't work | :59:30. | :59:34. | |
for them. That's where the night's biggest losers, failing to hold on | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
to all but one of their seats. Neither the Labour Party nor the | :59:39. | :59:41. | |
Tories had the backbone to stand up to UKIP. We did. We have taken the | :59:42. | :59:46. | |
unpopular side of an argument and we are being pubth punished, but I'll | :59:47. | :59:49. | |
tell you what, I would do it all over again. Across Europe, | :59:50. | :59:53. | |
Euro`sceptic and antiestablishment parties make big gains. In France, | :59:54. | :59:56. | |
the far right National Front storms to victory. | :59:57. | :00:01. | |
We will bring you all the latest reaction and developments live as | :00:02. | :00:06. | |
they happen throughout the day. The other headlines: | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
Pope Francis visits the most important holy sites for Muslims and | :00:12. | :00:13. | |
Jews in Jerusalem's old city. Good morning live from Westminster. | :00:14. | :00:41. | |
As the political world takes stock of those European election results. | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
A dream has become reality says Nigel Farage as UKIP storms the | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
European elections with a dramatic upsurge in the anti`EU vote. | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
UKIP leader hails the results which saw the party take nearly 28% of the | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
vote as extraordinary. It's sending shock waves through the | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
other parties. UKIP has ten more MEPs, that's 23 seats in the | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
European Parliament so far, results from Northern Ireland and Scotland | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
are still to come. UKIP gains come largely at the | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
expense of the Liberal Democrats. They had a dismal showing and lose | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
all but one of their seats. The Conservative lost seven seats in | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
Brussels, Labour gained seven but might have expected to do a lot | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
better, just a year away from a general election. | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
The results changed the political landscape. In 2009, the | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
Conservatives held the biggest share of the vote, now though, UKIP | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
dominates, according to its Deputy Leader, support for UKIP has long | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
been dismissed as protest. It looked good for UKIP last night, | :01:44. | :01:54. | |
toasting the results with champagne in mugs and having beaten their | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
bigger rivals nationwide it looked even better to their leader this | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
morning. My dream has become a reality. Despite the onslaught we | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
faced as if the world was against us, the British public have stood | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
firm and we have won a national election. I'm over the moon. Compare | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
that with the fate and faces of the Liberal Democrats who were all but | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
wiped out, left with a single MEP. It went wrong because there's a very | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
febrile anti`European atmosphere in this country at the moment. There's | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
a general disaffection with politics and politicians. Labour beat the | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
Conservatives but only just. Everyone's wondering how Nigel | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
Farage's party did so well. Of course I congratulate him on winning | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
these elections. I think though the questions that will be asked about | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
UKIP in the year ahead, as we come up to the general election, is where | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
they stand on some of the major issues that will be decided at a | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
general election, you know, where they stand on tax, spending, the | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
National Health Service, those questions will be asked of UKIP. | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
For the Conservatives in third place, similar questions. | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
I think the results show a clear message which is, people are | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
disillusioned with the European Union, with the way that it's | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
working for Britain, and they want change. | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
The challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that we have the plan to | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
deliver that change. There were scuffles as the BNP | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
arrived at Manchester Town Hall, but Nick Griffin had already been beaten | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
by the voters. The big picture though, a UKIP triumph. The question | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
is whether we'll see more of this at the general election. | :03:39. | :03:48. | |
Let's speak to Naomi Smith from the national Lib Dem forum. Thank you | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
very much for joining us for the Liberal Democrats. Pretty | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
disastrous? Snklts utterly depressing. We woke up yesterday | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
with 12 MEPs, we went to bed with just one. Diabolical results | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
following awful council election results on Thursday mean that it's a | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
very dark Dame to be a Lib Dem. Do you understand why? I think that | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
we failed to make the case sufficiently for Europe because I | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
think although we have a very good message, that message isn't being | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
heard `` dark day. Nick Clegg hasn't been getting a fair hearing because | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
he's no longer trusted by the voters and so I think the party needs to | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
have a very strong look at its direction, its strategic direction | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
and of course questions of leadership surround that. | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
Do you think he should go? I do, and I signed a letter at Lib Dems along | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
with 300 other members and I think that the voters have given us a | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
clear message that it's time for a fresh start, a new leader who can | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
get a fairer hearing. Why do you think it's the messenger and not the | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
message? You debated with Nigel Farage. Why is it not to case that | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
the public simply listened to the message and didn't like what they | :05:02. | :05:02. | |
heard? I think we need to look at the fact | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
that there needs to be a debate that's rooted in fact and not | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
fiction. Nick Clegg made himself very much the spokesperson near | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
campaign. It was all about Nick and he debated Farage and I commend him | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
for that, that was brave, but people weren't listening, his personal poll | :05:24. | :05:35. | |
ratings are minus 55%. I'm no ssephologis, but I think they are | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
the worst results since voting polls began. `` psephologist. The message | :05:42. | :05:49. | |
needs to change but the leader's changed message won't make any | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
difference. Those around the leader will say this is partly as a result | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
of going into Government and all of the Liberal Democrats signed up, you | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
had three separate votes, MP, the wider party, all your hands are | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
dipped in the blood, why should it be Nick Clegg that's thrown over the | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
side? Well, just because the captain has to go down with the ship, it | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
doesn't necessarily follow that the ship needs to go down with the | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
captain. We did all make a decision to go into coalition and that was | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
the right decision at the time, it was the NAHTs of the day, it was | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
what the voters provided the country with. We had to do that. Nick was | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
brave in doing that and taking us into that coalition. He's been a | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
good Deputy Prime Minister, but in an increasingly presidential | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
politics that we have today, as the media giving Farage the Spotlight | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
for so long shows, it has to be now that the person delivering the key | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
message, leadership at the top of the organisation, it needs to have | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
someone who the voters give a fair hearing to. So you are saying it's | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
basically suicidal electorally to continue with Nick Clegg. In terms | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
of making a difference, do you think a party led by say Vince Cable, TMi | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
Farron, would have a different result with the electorate? What I'm | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
saying is that leadership is about the ability to unify people behind a | :07:12. | :07:18. | |
common cause. Nick hadn't been able to do that. You think other members | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
could do better? Other members within the very talented | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
Parliamentary party would stand a much better chance of get ago fair | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
hearing from voters. In terms of what you would then like to see in | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
terms of the mechanics of this, there were petitions, but that has | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
been dismissed, there's few in numbers, what would you like to see | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
certainly MPs in this place do given the scale of these defeats? The real | :07:42. | :07:51. | |
question to ask themselveses is that they would either lose potentially | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
under Clegg or stand a chance of winning under a leader. Be` Thank | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
you very much for those thoughts. A very ` clear call in terms of | :08:03. | :08:09. | |
another voice saying clearly that Nick Clegg should go if the Liberal | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
Democrats are to move forward. Let's go to our chief Political | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
Correspondent, Norman Smith, in Westminster. He's outside the | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
Cabinet Office. Norman, you were giving us a flavour | :08:20. | :08:26. | |
of last time we spoke of how things are moving on this issue. | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
What is your assessment? Very interesting Matthew. I had a | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
conversation with those around Mr Clegg and they are adamant there is | :08:36. | :08:43. | |
no cord nation. `` coordination. The three | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
Parliamentary candidate who is've gone public, they say they respect | :08:50. | :08:51. | |
the figures but they are not significant figures in the party, in | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
other words their argument is OK, they tl may be a few who're unhappy | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
but they do not represent a serious move to unseat Mr Clegg. My sense is | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
these people are putting the heads above the parapet not in a sort of | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
higgledy`piggledy way, there is a carefully collaborated move to crank | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
up the pressure on Nick Clegg. I expect over the course of the day | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
we'll see further individuals putting their heads up saying he | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
must go in an effort blunt Deloitte destabilise Nick Clegg `` bluntly to | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
destabilise Nick Clegg. We don't know how much support these people | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
have, how serious their organisation is, and whether they do represent a | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
significant challenge to his position. What we can say at the | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
moment is the really key players are still on Nick Clegg's side. We have | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
heard from Paddy Ashdown, we have heard from Tim Farron and Sir | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
Menzies Campbell and they have all absolutely said Nick Clegg stays, | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
leading us into the next election and beyond. But this is a moving | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
picture and it's clear many Liberal Democrats will now be weighing up | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
the full implications of last night's vote and what that means for | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
them and their party at the next general election and whether they | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
can expect any more provement if any ok negligent remains as leader `` | :10:06. | :10:11. | |
can expect any more improvement if Nick Clegg remains as leader. | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
They could say Fell if you get rid of Nick Clegg, you plunge the party | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
into months of chaos and disruption that will only compound the | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
electoral grief. The other people say he's toxic, we cannot recover | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
while he leads us. The Labour supporters who came to us | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
will never stick with us so long as Nick Clegg remains leader because of | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
tuition fees and the coalition and so on. So there is diametrically | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
opposed views. What we'll learn today is how much strength the | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
critics of Nick Clegg have and whether they can mount a serious | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
challenge to his position. Norman, thanks once again. | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
Let's get away from Westminster and tell you the European story in terms | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
of those election results through the course of last night. Big | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
antiestablishment votes across Europe. Let's head back to Brussels | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
and to Phillipa Thomas. Thank you very much. | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
It's been a night for the insurgents across Europe. UKIP was one of the | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
spectacular standout political stories, another the Front National | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
of Marine Le Pen in France, but it's not all about the right of the | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
political spectrum, you can look to the left. In Greece where a party | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
there did very well, got a lot of voters angry at the impact of | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
austerity. They think they have had to pay too high a price for the | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
fallout from the economic crisis of 2008. So it's all to play for here | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
in the sense that we don't know whether these different parties can | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
come together to wield any meaningful power here at the | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
European Parliament. I'll talk about that in a moment, but first Ben | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
Wright has a round`up of the Europe`wide results. Victory for Le | :11:58. | :12:05. | |
Pen and a first for the Front National. One in four votes cast in | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
France went to the anti`immigration, anti`euro far right party, a huge | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
jump in support. The leader, Marine Le Pen, said the sovereign people | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
had spoken loudly and wanted to be masters of their own destiny. | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
It was a vote against the unpopular socialist president, but it was a | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
vote against the effects of EU membership too, particularly | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
immigration. The anti`EU Danish People's Party | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
came first in Denmark too on a promise of taking powers back from | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
Brussels. When MEPs next meet, more than ever | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
will be fierce critics of the Parliament they have just been | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
elected to. The mainstream centre right and centre`left parties will | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
still have a majority here, but anti`Europe MEPs will be a noisy, | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
disruptive block of dissent. And they don't just come from the | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
right. In Greece, the radical left party topped the poll. The country's | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
been hardest hit by austerity and it won by opposing the cuts. The far | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
right golden dawn came third winning MEPs for the first time. In two of | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
the EU's biggest member states, there's been a backlash against | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
Europe and immigration and it's the Front National's victory in France | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
and UKIP's win in Britain that defined this election. | :13:25. | :13:31. | |
Just before we go on to France and the upheaval there, I want to give | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
you a look at the bigger picture. The BBC has the latest results of | :13:35. | :13:43. | |
the European Parliament elections. The biggest block that you can see | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
is the centre`right group, the centre right group, close league `` | :13:50. | :14:04. | |
closely... There could be a grand coalition, the central power brokers | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
who are all very pro the European Union and | :14:10. | :14:10. | |
who are all very pro the European Union and keeping that hold on | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
power. What happens to the others is what we are really interested now as | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
far as looking at the anti`establish `` anti`establishment parties around | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
Europe. The Green Party has not had quite a strong voice. They have come | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
up with some interesting ideas about up with some interesting ideas about | :14:28. | :14:30. | |
how to make Europe and its institutions closer to the voters. | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
Let's take you now to the site of the other big people `` upheaval, | :14:38. | :14:46. | |
which is where the Front National one about a quarter of the votes in | :14:47. | :14:54. | |
France. Some gloomy faces around the establishment this morning. We are | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
standing on the field of Mars. You might recognise this thing behind | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
me, the scene of a massacre, and some would say a massacre in the | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
figures for this party am a the first time the National Front has | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
topped a vote and it sums up how the French feel at the moment. They | :15:17. | :15:24. | |
finished top in 70% of the departments across the country and | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
have taken the bulk of the working class event and 30% of the of the | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
people under 35. Let's take a closer look at these figures and how they | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
work down. The Front National taking 25.41% of the vote, from 6% in 2009. | :15:40. | :15:47. | |
They have three seats in the European truck road they had three | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
seats in the European Parliament and now `` they had three seats in the | :15:53. | :15:54. | |
European Parliament and now they will have many more. The UNP has | :15:55. | :16:02. | |
lost between eight and ten seats. Just look at the Socialists, a | :16:03. | :16:08. | |
lamentable performance after in each cool flapping in the elections two | :16:09. | :16:17. | |
months ago. `` and equal slapping. A crisis meeting of the cabinet this | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
morning the men and the headline coming out of that is that they are | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
going to try to cut taxes for lower and middle income families, though | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
how they are going to do that, goodness only knows, with 0% growth | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
in the last three quarters. They are under pressure from Brussels. Lots | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
of things to think about. Crises on the left and right. Immigration is | :16:41. | :16:48. | |
being looked at, and what you are going to get in the Parliament | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
building behind you is a block of French parliamentarians who want | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
reform, not just the National Front but the UNP as well, and they will | :16:59. | :17:06. | |
be wanting answers. The movement of migrants from poorer | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
parts of the EU to wealthier parts has obvious event a `` has been a | :17:12. | :17:22. | |
big issue. It is perceived by some as an abuse of the welfare state and | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
has been at the forefront of many voters minds. A few minutes ago and | :17:28. | :17:34. | |
spoke to a former Prime Minister of Bulgaria, who is a senior socialist | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
here, and he told me that reality is different. I know that's UKIP and | :17:40. | :17:50. | |
others in northern Europe are saying, look, these poor eastern | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
Europeans are coming in and taking our social protection assistance for | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
them, but it does not correspond with the reality. In the overall | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
United Kingdom, there are only 1000 Bulgarian nationals who are using | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
the social protection system, and this is ridiculous. | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
If we are talking about reality, let's look at the big issue of | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
what's big parties like UKIP might be able to change the way that the | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
European union is run. With me is a lot `` someone with a lot more | :18:26. | :18:32. | |
knowledge about it than me. What can be done here? They could change a | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
lot. They are not so interested in changing the European Parliament or | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
legislation. They are left, right and centre or they don't agree on | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
many things. There is no`one policy agenda here? They just come and make | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
speeches for the home audiences and then leave without participating in | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
the daily work of improving things. Some would say they want to change | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
national politics. Yes. They want to be on the political scene. How can | :19:05. | :19:12. | |
you deal with the National Front? Can they be a reply `` reliable | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
partner for Angela Merkel? The same question for David Cameron. What | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
things can be agreed when he has to deal with insurgency at home? One of | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
the things David Cameron has been talking about is repatriating some | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
powers, giving back powers from Brussels, and I have heard better | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
this morning that has slimmed down... You just smiled. Why is it | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
not going to happen? There have been big commissions on slimming down. | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
Usually they don't come up with a lot. 27 member countries agreed to | :19:50. | :19:56. | |
give these powers to the EU for good reason. It was more efficient to do | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
it at this level. We want to get 28 member countries to say, we made a | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
big mistake. That is not going to happen. There is a phrase about | :20:09. | :20:19. | |
Turkey 's voting for Christmas. I think we are in a situation like | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
this right now. What if the alternative was a wholesale | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
rejection of the European union of a political entity by voters? If it is | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
the `` if it is perceived that nothing is being done to reform | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
things, these parties could do even better next time around. I do not | :20:35. | :20:43. | |
think so. Usually people are frustrated about not getting a job. | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
By having a problem on the streets with beggars or perceived | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
immigrants, and that is what has to be done at the national level, | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
because contrary to the impression that has been created, the | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
responsibility for dealing with all of these issues is mainly at the | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
national level. There is a framework and then it is up to the national | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
policymakers to make an efficient politic out of it. | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
Thank you very much for joining us, especially since you just got off | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
the plane from Shanghai. A lot is going to be happening over the next | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
few hours. More news conferences, more claims of who should run the | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
place, and the leaders of the EU Estates will be coming here to get | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
together for their big dinner. They have two figure out how to explain | :21:37. | :21:44. | |
to voters back home, many whom are very angry. | :21:45. | :21:44. | |
To discuss. Joining me is Professor Sara Hobolt, | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
from the European Institute, This is really something that has | :21:50. | :22:02. | |
happened across Europe. As you have seen in your report, in France, of | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
course, it has been a shock election would the Front National, but in | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
other places we have seen the far left doing while, in particular in | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
Greece but we have seen it been doing well in Ireland and other | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
places. In terms of going forward, how do | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
you see them reacting to these results? There is the effect on the | :22:28. | :22:35. | |
European Parliament, where there is still a quite strong pro`European | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
consensus, with the centre`right groupings topping the poll, but the | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
other aspect that might be more significant is the effect on how to | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
national governments respond to this, because of national | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
governments in Greece, France and Denmark, where Eurosceptic parties | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
have topped, they will have to income up what they have to do | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
differently for voters to shut up they will have to think about what | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
they have to do differently for voters `` they will have to think | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
about what they have to do differently for voters. On the far | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
right, when we look at the National Front and other parties, | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
anti`immigration has played a big role and perhaps a bigger role than | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
the EU and Brussels. On the far left, in Spain and Greece and so on, | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
it is much more in and yesterday vote. | :23:33. | :23:34. | |
left, in Spain and Greece and so on, it is much more in and On | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
immigration, what can be done to strike `` and vote. On immigration, | :23:38. | :23:44. | |
what more can be done? It is interesting that in France, it is | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
not entirely surprising that fronts national to 12. `` the Front | :23:51. | :24:07. | |
National did well. One of... There is anticipation, saying what we can | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
do, talking about how we can make it more difficult for people to move | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
between countries in the EU. For David Cameron, he laid it out again | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
this morning to renegotiate the terms, the way the EU works. Does | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
this set of results make it more difficult, easier for him to do | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
that? We should keep in mind that we are having this decision about | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
renegotiations but it will be taken permanently in the Parliament. It | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
will be `` the people that need to be persuaded is Angela Merkel and so | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
on. The Prime Minister will will listen to the voters, and they might | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
think, this is a message that we should be thinking about things on | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
immigration, and what David Cameron called welfare tourism, that you can | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
have access to benefits in other countries, so it might make it | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
easier in that sense, because other parties in other member states have | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
sent similar messages. Thank you very much for those | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
thoughts. As we have seen, there have been significant gains for the | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
UK Independence Party. We still expect those results from Northern | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
Ireland and also Scotland's to come. We are expecting the Scottish | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
results around lunch time. Let's analyse a little bit more about the | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
European picture. A huge election across 28 countries, | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
but let's look at the dramatic event in the UK. This is the map last | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
time, in 2009. Later pinned back just to the north east here. The SNP | :25:47. | :25:54. | |
in yellow, and the rest of England's `` Britain and live. 12 regions. `` | :25:55. | :26:01. | |
the rest of Europe in blue. 12 regions. How dramatic a change is | :26:02. | :26:08. | |
this? UKIP purple all over England. The northwest, the Northeast, | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
Scottish Nationalists, yellow in Scotland, and Labour doing very well | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
in London. But the UKIP Evans is really quite extraordinary. If by | :26:19. | :26:21. | |
show areas where parties came first show areas where parties came first | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
by local council, you will see there is a lot of Conservative blue hair, | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
but when it flashes cases where the party was first, this time was not | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
first this time, just have a look, so much flashing purple, places | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
where UKIP has advanced to first place, a truly brilliant night for | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
the party. Let's have a look at the camp of MEP and see how many each | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
party is left with. 24 members of the European Parliament. Second | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
place, Labour with 20, the Conservatives are down to 19 from | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
26, the greens `` the Green Party are and three, a good night for | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
them, and make the evening for the Liberal Democrats, who are down to | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
just one, and then the others, the Nationalists among them. In terms of | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
the share of the bed, these are the figures. You see that UKIP is and | :27:13. | :27:20. | |
28%. Second place, the London effect lifting Labour above the | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
Conservatives. The Conservatives in third and 24. The Green Party, 8%. | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
The Lib Dems, have 27%, and the others, 8%. Laboured may not have | :27:33. | :27:41. | |
done as well as they wanted to in the Conservatives `` laboured might | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
not have done as well as they wanted to and the Conservatives were pushed | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
back. We were with Norman Smith earlier. Plenty to chew over. We | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
will be back in just a minute with more analysis. We will pause for a | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
moment to find out what the weather is doing. Heavy rain will push | :28:00. | :28:46. | |
towards the east and on the other hand will be a feature Tuesday and | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
Wednesday. Cool and cold winds blowing down the East Coast there. | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
Persistent heavy rain in central and eastern areas. Rainfall amounts | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
mounting up. Sunshine and showers and some on the heavy side. | :28:59. | :29:17. | |
I'm live at Westminster. A victory for UKIP at the European elections | :29:18. | :29:25. | |
with most of the UK's 73 seats declared, the party's won 23. Nigel | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
Farage says the people have spoken. My dream has become a reality and | :29:31. | :29:33. | |
despite the onslaught we faced over the last few weeks as if the world | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
was against us, the British public were stood firm, they backed UKIP | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
and we've won a national election. David Cameron insayses the | :29:43. | :29:44. | |
Conservatives can twin next general election, despite being pushed into | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
third place as they were narrowly third place as they were narrowly | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
beaten by Labour The challenge is now for my party to | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
demonstrate that we have the plan to deliver that change, to renegotiate | :29:57. | :29:59. | |
Britain's place in Europe to get a better deal for Britain, to change | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
Europe and then to put the choice to the British people in an in`out | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
referendum before the end of 2017. I think what last night also | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
reflects, including among those who voted for UKIP, is a desire for | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
Europe to work better for Britain and also a deep sense of discontent | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
with the way this country's run and the way our economy works. | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
The Liberal Democrats are all but wiped out in the European | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
Parliament, retaining only one MEP. Neither the Labour Party nor the | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
Tories have stood up to UKIP. Unpopular side of an argument and we | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
have been punished, but I would do it again. | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
The far right Euro`sceptic parties performed well. The National Front | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
in France says that lean Le Pen tops the poll there. | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
The other headline this is hour on BBC News: Pope Francis visits some | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
of the holiest sites in Jerusalem on the third and final day of his | :30:59. | :31:04. | |
Middle East tour. Billionaire confectionary magnate | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
Petro Poroshenko claims victory in the Ukraine presidential elections, | :31:09. | :31:09. | |
Russia says it's ready for dialogue. Time for sport now. | :31:10. | :31:24. | |
Here a full round`up. Thank you very much. Rory McIlroy's | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
moved from tenth to sixth in the world rankings of golf after winning | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
his first title of the year yesterday. The Northern Irishman | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
came from seven shots down to win the flagship event on the European | :31:36. | :31:38. | |
Tour. The PGA Championship at Wentworth. He finished 14`under, one | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
shot ahead of Ireland's Shane Lowry. The win came five days after he | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
announced his split from the tennis player, Caroline Wozniaki. | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
It's been a bit of a roller coaster, to be honest. | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
Look, I find on the golf course it was nice, it was like a release for | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
me and I could go about my business and play the way that I wanted to. I | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
played solid and everything came together for me today. I upped and | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
downed it when I needed to, did the putts at the right time and it | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
seemed like everything fell my way and I'm delighted to be standing | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
here as a champion. Adam Scott beat Jason duff ner to | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
take the clonial tournament in Texas `` Duffne re. A finish outside the | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
top 13 would have meant him relinquishing after one week. Colin | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
Montgomerie finished four shots clear to win the senior PGA | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
Championship, the first time in his career he'd won an official event in | :32:43. | :32:48. | |
America. Nico Rosberg has overtaken Lewis | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
Hamilton at the top of the Formula One drivers Championship after | :32:53. | :32:55. | |
winning the Monaco Grand Prix. Rosberg led Hamilton for the whole | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
race. He claimed the checkered flag for the second year in a row in the | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
principality while Lewis Hamilton held off Daniel Ricardo to finish | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
second. The cricketers we are soundly beaten in the one`day | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
international against Sri Lanka yesterday. They lost by 157 runs as | :33:14. | :33:20. | |
Sri Lanka levelled the series 1`1. England's winter of discontent left | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
them with little to be chirpy about. Yet this summer's marked a new start | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
with some new faces, but there was too much of the old England in the | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
field, allowing Sri Lanka to get into their stride quickly. Dilshan's | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
Dexterry also did some damage, he etop scored with 88. The tourists | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
were helped most by more mishaps. Catch after catch dropped by | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
England. A target of 257 should have been | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
much lower. That figure appeared nigh on | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
impossible after seven overs. England had already lost four | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
wickets and 29 for 4 soon became 73 for 8, as England completely | :34:01. | :34:03. | |
collapsed. More than a few things note for new | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
head coach Peter Moors and the onlooking but injured Captain Cook. | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
Only stand in skipper Owen Morgan put up a fight, getting to #40rks | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
but coined for little in the end, England all out for 99 `` 40, but it | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
counted for little in the end. This may be a new start but it's not a | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
very good one. Day two of the French Open tennis. | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
Roland Garros had a rain`delayed start. | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
Britain's James Ward is set to play today. It's the first time he has | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
made it into the main draw after becoming the first Brit to come | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
through qualifying since 1973. He faces a tough first round draw | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
against Robredo, the 17th seed. Djokovic and Nadal are also set to | :34:50. | :34:56. | |
play today, weather`permitting. Sharapova currently on court at | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
Roland Garros as well. More from me in the next hour. | :35:01. | :35:08. | |
The impact of UKIP's achievement is sinking in. Nigel Farage says his | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
dreams have come true. UKIP has ten more seats in the | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
European Parliament, 23 so far, and it's fairly certain that in the next | :35:17. | :35:19. | |
hour, we'll hear of another UKIP gain this time in Scotland. | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
The Lib Dems have slumped, losing all but one MEP, the Conservatives | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
have lost seven seats, Labour have gained seven but might have expected | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
to do a good deal better. UKIP is saying these historic | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
results mean it's no longer simply a protest vote. | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
Well, in Wales, Labour narrowly came top in the polls but only by 0.6% | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
ahead of UKIP. Let's go live to Cardiff and our correspondent Daniel | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
Davies. Give us more details about how the Welsh voted? No change in | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
who will represent Wales in the European Parliament in Strasbourg | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
and Brussels. There are four seats in Wales. They go to Labour. The | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
Conservatives, Plaid Cymru and UKIP. That's the situation that we've had | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
since 2009 going into this European election last week. But what has | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
changed and what's changed dramatically, is the number of votes | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
and the share of the votes cast for the four parties. | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
Labour has topped the poll. But it's fallen some way short of what it | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
really wanted from this election in Wales which was two Welsh seats. In | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
fact, Labour has only just squeaked into first place ahead of UKIP. UKIP | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
about 0.6% of the vote behind Labour. It's fair to say that in | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
2009 at the last European elections, UKIP surprised even themselves by | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
winning a seat in Wales. That's certainly not the situation now. If | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
they hadn't announced themselves on the political scene already, they | :36:52. | :36:54. | |
certainly have with this election result. Just some 4,500 votes behind | :36:55. | :37:01. | |
Labour in top spot. Throughout the campaign, Labour have been saying | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
they haven't been picking up a surge in support on the doorstep. If that | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
was the case, one wonders where they were knocking. UKIP have been saying | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
they were in with realistic shout of winning the election and of topping | :37:16. | :37:21. | |
the poll in Wales and the results in this morning show how close they | :37:22. | :37:23. | |
came to doing that. The Conservatives, they couldn't | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
recreate the heights of 2009 when they topped the poll in Wales, but | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
they have kept their seat and the same with Plaid Cymru, the fourth | :37:31. | :37:33. | |
party in this election. They have kept their seat. They'll be very | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
pleased with that because there were some opinion polls out there | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
suggesting that Plaid Cymru was in danger of losing its seat in the | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
European Parliament to Labour. Thank you very much. | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
It wasn't just in the UK and France where Euro`sceptic parties have | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
seized ground in these euro elections. Let's find out what | :37:57. | :38:03. | |
happened in Greece now with our correspondent, Susannah Mendonca who | :38:04. | :38:08. | |
is in Athens. We are not going to go there at this | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
very moment. I think we are going to go closer to home and find out the | :38:13. | :38:15. | |
situation in Scotland, specifically Edinburgh. | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
James Shaw is there. Bring us up`to`date on events there, James? | :38:20. | :38:28. | |
We don't have an official result yet, one council area needs to bring | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
its vote in. It's not really going to change the overall picture here | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
though. What we have is a situation where the SNP got 29% of the vote, | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
Labour 26, the Conservatives 17, UKIP 10. 5 and trailing behind them, | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
the Greens who will consider that a good result for them, and then in | :38:47. | :38:49. | |
sixth place, the Liberal Democrats, on 7%. A bit of a disaster for them. | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
The headline really once you set aside the fact that the SNP topped | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
the poll is that UKIP, it looks as though they are going to gain their | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
first elected representative in Scotland. David Coburn is the | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
leading candidate and it looks as though he'll be the sixth MEP | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
representing Scotland in the European Parliament Not an | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
earthquake as it has been in other parts of the UK, but certainly a | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
tremor. A lot of people wouldn't have expected this. Least not the | :39:20. | :39:28. | |
governing party. Clearly, there is a sizeable number | :39:29. | :39:35. | |
of people on whom the UKIP message resonates. There is that core, | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
perhaps a small core of a right`wing vote in Scotland that many people | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
might not have expected to see. Thank you. | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
Let's continue our European election coverage and go back to Matthew now. | :39:51. | :40:00. | |
Thanks very much. Let's bounce around European | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
capitals and take stock of those results in terms of the perspective | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
from there. It wasn't just the UK and France Euro`sceptic parties, | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
let's head to Greece and our correspondent there is Susannah | :40:16. | :40:16. | |
Mendonca. Greek people have been feeling the | :40:17. | :40:30. | |
pain of austerity here perhaps more than most. So we have the left`wing | :40:31. | :40:38. | |
party. It's come top of the polls in the European parties. It used to | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
have one MEP, now it has six. This whole message has been about | :40:44. | :40:45. | |
fighting austerity and since the result, its leader's said this | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
proves that the people of Greece want a change and want to push for | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
early elections. They are going to be meeting the President of Greece | :40:56. | :40:57. | |
this lunch time to discuss the possibility of that. It's the | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
President who decides that, not clear whether he'll get what he's | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
after. The Prime Minister of New Democracy which came second clearly | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
does not want there to be elections in Greece and we have been hearing | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
that he is likely to have a reshuffle some time this week in | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
response to these results. On the other side of political section, you | :41:20. | :41:25. | |
have got golden dawn, this has been a neo`Nazi result, something they | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
deny, but the leader and the number of politicians are currently in jail | :41:30. | :41:32. | |
and are waiting trial accused of being members of a criminal | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
organisation. Now, the political establishment here had hoped that | :41:37. | :41:38. | |
that would mean that people might not vote for them, but hasn't been | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
the case, they have voted for them, they have got three MEPs in the | :41:43. | :41:49. | |
European Parliament and they seem to be so right`wing that even Marine Le | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
Pen has said she wouldn't want to work with them. You have both sides | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
of the political spectrum getting votes from people who have been | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
feeling the pain of austerity and they have been expressing that | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
through their polls. Now we'll cross to Poland to my | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
colleague to see what is going on there. | :42:11. | :42:17. | |
Poland is questioning itself, how an anti`European figure such as Yanoush | :42:18. | :42:24. | |
can get enough votes to send four MEPs to Parliament. He's hugely | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
controversial in this country. He's a self`proclaimed Monarchist. He | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
thinks that democracy is stupid, he's again to as far as to say that | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
women are less intelligent than men so shouldn't be allowed to vote. | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
There is really no outright winner in this country. The centre right | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
governing party is tied practically neck and next with the Conservatives | :42:47. | :42:52. | |
opposition party. It's barely a percentage point between them. They | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
are sending 19 MEPs to Brussels. Now, arguably the leader of the | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
opposition party of the Law And Justice Party is saying they've won | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
because they gained MEPs sothey'll be sending the 19 MEPs to boost the | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
figures of the European Conservatives and reformists. | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
However, Donald Torse, the Prime Minister and leader of the civic | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
platform, although they have lost MEPs, they are going together with | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
another centre right party and will be together sending 23 MEPs to | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
support the European People's Party, so arguably they're saying they have | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
won. However, there is no real winner and with a turnout once again | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
low, 23% bothering to turn out, of course, the $iously sunny here, but | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
no`one really is the winner here. Let's find out what the situation is | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
like in Italy. My colleague Alan Johnston is in Rome. | :43:45. | :44:03. | |
Here in Rome, the Prime Minister and his pro`European party bucked the | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
trend in a grand style. It went far bigger than any holster had dared to | :44:10. | :44:17. | |
predict. They handed a defeat of 21 points to their rivals in the | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
Eurosceptic 5`star movement. The movement went into denial through | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
the night as its world collapsed around it. The leader of the moment | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
`` movement had promised his supporters victory, but he broke | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
those 5 million or more people who those 5 million or more people who | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
did vote for his party, and urged them to take a look at a famous | :44:45. | :44:51. | |
poem, with its famous lines on if you can meet triumph and disaster | :44:52. | :44:54. | |
and treat those two imposters but the same, not much more he could | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
the Prime Minister and merges from the Prime Minister and merges from | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
this vote very much strengthened. `` advice. He can now push through his | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
talks of being determined to pull talks of being determined to pull | :45:13. | :45:18. | |
Italy out of what he calls its quagmire. From Rome, back to you in | :45:19. | :45:20. | |
London. With me is Joe Twyman, Head of | :45:21. | :45:34. | |
Political Research at the polling The long`term trend has been going | :45:35. | :45:48. | |
up. Anyone 18 months ago would have been happy with this if they were in | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
UKIP supporter. Is this the biggest breakthrough we have seen since the | :45:54. | :46:00. | |
STP? The STP got over 50% in the opinion poll when they are at the | :46:01. | :46:07. | |
height of their fame. UKIP are now managing 15%, but the influence of | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
that UKIP can have over the Conservatives and also the Labour | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
Party over the next 12 months could be enormous. I am going to cut you | :46:16. | :46:21. | |
off and come back to you in a moment or two, but I am told that we have | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
breaking developments, so let's go to our political correspondent. Tell | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
us more. An indication as to just how bitter the Lib Dem arguments | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
might be. One of the Lib Dem MPs have said to me that there should be | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
a sharp review of the strategy and the leadership, the sort of thing he | :46:42. | :46:44. | |
wasn't saying over the weekend, but he has hit out directly at Patty | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
Ashdown. He has been one of the main defenders of Nick Clegg saying, we | :46:50. | :46:54. | |
must stick with Nick Clack. It is being said that it is treacherous to | :46:55. | :47:02. | |
metaphorically remove bits of cryptic's anatomies `` critics | :47:03. | :47:09. | |
anatomies. That sounds like silly wording. Ashdown was quoted this | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
morning as saying that he threatened to work Oakeshott, and he was | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
obviously joking, but if he caused trouble right now, he would remove | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
his hat or another bit of anatomy that I've might choose not to quote | :47:23. | :47:28. | |
live on the television. He is saying that to argue that is to have a | :47:29. | :47:31. | |
bunker psychology and not to have the swords of conversation that the | :47:32. | :47:38. | |
`` the sorts of conversation that the Lib Dems need to have. Thank you | :47:39. | :47:46. | |
very much. We had to get more on this at around 12:30 p.m.. Some | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
pretty sharp criticism there. Let me bring Joe back in. Sorry to cut you | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
off there. The Liberal Democrat story as moving through the course | :47:57. | :48:01. | |
of the morning as they take stock of these catastrophic results. We were | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
chatting a short while ago. Tommy Elizabeth Smart about how you see it | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
going for the Liberal Democrats. `` towel me a little bit `` tell me a | :48:12. | :48:22. | |
little bit. The local and European elections have been dreadful for | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
them, so they need to think about what they are going to do over the | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
next few months. The key strategy has to be, when do they split up | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
this marriage of convenience with the coalition government? They need | :48:36. | :48:42. | |
to divide and make a big break from the Tories and go their own way. And | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
how soon, in your view, strategically, would they need to do | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
that? If they do it too soon, they could be seen to have that it's | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
because they did so badly, but Iraq in six months out, maybe after the | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
summer `` but Iraq in six months out, maybe over the summer. Labour, | :49:01. | :49:10. | |
how do you see influence playing there in terms of policy? Both | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
Labour and Conservatives have lost voters to UKIP and have been very `` | :49:15. | :49:22. | |
who have been very good at taking and dissatisfied people. They need | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
to think about the core values they can use to appeal to these voters | :49:27. | :49:33. | |
while at the same time realizing that UKIP could let Labour in. How | :49:34. | :49:39. | |
fluid do you think the electorate is? Voters have moved in these two | :49:40. | :49:45. | |
sets of elections. The help from both Labour and Conservative is that | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
they moved back, but how much evidence is there for that sort of | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
movement? We are not really sure. When we ask people in our surveys | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
you are amazing UKIP how likely it is that they will vote for them in | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
the general election, between half and two thirds say that they will, | :50:03. | :50:09. | |
but as we stand now, they may very well change their mind as the issues | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
moved more towards the economy, where UKIP really are not that | :50:15. | :50:20. | |
strong to Mesto we are not sure of their staying power. It always drops | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
off after the Europeans. We really are in an unpredictable world. Thank | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
you for your thoughts. I will have more in the next few minutes. Let's | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
head back to Julie in the studio. Thank you. | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
Pope Francis has visited Israel's Holocaust Memorial on the third and | :50:40. | :50:42. | |
He laid a wreath in the Hall of Remembrance and listened to | :50:43. | :50:48. | |
Three previous pontiffs who have visited Jerusalem over the past 50 | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
Our Middle East editor spoke to a Holocaust survivor to hear his | :50:53. | :51:06. | |
thoughts on the visit by the Pope. My father was already in a | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
concentration camp, and my mother had followed `` my mother had false | :51:10. | :51:18. | |
identification part versus `` papers. My father survived was | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
liberated in Germany. My mother survived and came back and got me. | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
The Pope is here today. Over the years, the Catholic Church Jewish | :51:30. | :51:32. | |
religion have always had good relations. There is a controversy | :51:33. | :51:38. | |
about the Pope who was there during the war and whether he could have | :51:39. | :51:42. | |
done more or whether he actually collaborated in some way with the | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
Holocaust. What is your view of the Holocaust. What is your view of the | :51:48. | :51:52. | |
presence of the Pope in and of the relations between Jews and | :51:53. | :51:54. | |
Catholics? Let me preface that by saying that my wife is Catholic. A | :51:55. | :52:02. | |
practicing Catholic. I still have that feeling of the relationship... | :52:03. | :52:10. | |
I was brought up as a Catholic. The title of one of the stories from the | :52:11. | :52:18. | |
paper in Toronto was, brought up Catholic so he could survive as a | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
Jew. I have mixed feelings. The archives are there. In the Vatican? | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
In the Vatican. We could know more about what happened, but do we need | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
to know at this point in time if he was a collaborator or a bystander? | :52:33. | :52:39. | |
What is that... It might fracture the relationship with the church, so | :52:40. | :52:40. | |
I've would hope that if they do I've would hope that if they do | :52:41. | :52:46. | |
release it, they would show that he was not, and I've followed this a | :52:47. | :52:55. | |
people he saved Jews during the war. people he saved Jews during the war. | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
They were part of the access but I They were part of the access but I | :53:00. | :53:02. | |
do not think their hearts were in it. Thank you very much. Here, of | :53:03. | :53:09. | |
course, it is a vital day were anybody, any of the leaders to come | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
to visit Israel, to come to this place where there is the most | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
remarkable commemorations that happened of that awful tragedy | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
during the Second World War. We can show you some pictures from | :53:25. | :53:29. | |
the Pope's visit to Jerusalem now, and here you can see him in | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
conversation with the Israeli Prime Minister, who has commanded the Pope | :53:35. | :53:41. | |
for the various sites that he has visited in Jerusalem, specifically | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
saying that he appreciated the decision to lay a wreath on the | :53:45. | :53:52. | |
founder of modern Zionism. There you founder of modern Zionism. There you | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
see the pictures, live from Jerusalem. There is a conversation | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
going on between the Prime Minister and the Pope. | :54:00. | :54:07. | |
Russia's Foreign Secretary has reiterated President Putin's stance | :54:08. | :54:09. | |
that Russia will respect the will of the Ukrainian people. | :54:10. | :54:11. | |
Early results suggest that the billionaire confectionary magnate | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
Petro Poroshenko has won an outright first`round victory in the Ukrainian | :54:15. | :54:17. | |
presidential elections with almost 55% of the vote. | :54:18. | :54:29. | |
The American pharmaceutical company, Pfizer is expected to make | :54:30. | :54:31. | |
a statement today, admitting defeat in its attempt to | :54:32. | :54:34. | |
The company's latest offer was rejected by Astra Zeneca's board, | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
and Pfizer has until five o'clock this afternoon to | :54:38. | :54:40. | |
However, current rules say the company can | :54:41. | :54:43. | |
For the week had a looks like it was a pretty wet at times, particularly | :54:44. | :55:14. | |
in central parts of England, breezy as well stop you will have to have a | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
bit further north west to find more of the war. `` as well. It will | :55:20. | :55:25. | |
starts to fragment as it moves into the Midlands. Some heavy bursts | :55:26. | :55:29. | |
still mixed in there. As we head towards the afternoon, it looks like | :55:30. | :55:33. | |
or Scotland and Northern Ireland there will be quite a few thundery | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
showers developing. The focus will be on Northern Ireland's and places | :55:39. | :55:44. | |
north of the central belt. There will be locally torrential downpour | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
is and temperatures at best will be around the mid teens. A lot of cloud | :55:51. | :55:56. | |
around Rudy Midlands into central and southern areas. `` around the | :55:57. | :56:08. | |
Midlands. It `` a few heavy showers. That is how it is looking. | :56:09. | :56:14. | |
Overnight, a few showers across central and western areas. This area | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
of rate is moving up into South East England and towards eastern | :56:20. | :56:22. | |
counties. It will be heavier and persistent by the end of the night. | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
With all of the cloud around, a pretty mild night, with temperatures | :56:28. | :56:32. | |
around 11 or 12 in the south. Our focus is this area of low pressure. | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
It is sending weather fronts out into the eastern parts of England. | :56:38. | :56:44. | |
It is looking wet in these areas and rain will continue through the day, | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
so warnings are in force for some localised flooding in some places, | :56:49. | :56:51. | |
and with the breeze coming off the North Sea, it will feel particularly | :56:52. | :56:57. | |
cold for the time of year. Further south is towards the far north, | :56:58. | :57:02. | |
mixture of sunny spells and some thundery downpours, with top | :57:03. | :57:05. | |
temperatures around 18 Celsius where you get the sunshine. Wednesday is | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
looking thoroughly wet and it is going North into central and | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
southern parts of Scotland. Cold as well and the breeze is continuing. | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
The best conditions will be across the extreme South West. As he had | :57:19. | :57:25. | |
further into the week, the high pressure is building, some things | :57:26. | :57:31. | |
will get better, but unsettled until that point. | :57:32. | :58:34. | |
Westminster where, for the first time since 1910, neither Labour nor | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
the Conservatives have won a national election. | :58:39. | :58:43. | |
The UK Independence Party is the big winner in the European elections, | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
topping the poll with almost 28% of the vote. | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
My dream has become a reality, despite the onslaught we faced over | :58:53. | :58:56. | |
the last few weeks, as if the whole world was against us. The British | :58:57. | :59:00. | |
public have stood firm and back to UKIP and we have won a national | :59:01. | :59:04. | |
election. Growing pressure on Nick Clegg to resign after the Lib Dems | :59:05. | :59:08. | |
lose all but one of their seats. Diabolical results following awful | :59:09. | :59:13. | |
council election results on Thursday mean it is a very dark day to be a | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
Liberal Democrat. David Cameron insists the | :59:18. | :59:20. | |
Conservatives can win the next general election despite being | :59:21. | :59:23. | |
pushed into third place as they are narrowly beating by Labour. | :59:24. | :59:29. | |
`` beating. I believe we can win the election outright and we should put | :59:30. | :59:32. | |
in front of people our message which is, let us complete the long`term | :59:33. | :59:36. | |
economic plan turning this country around. I think these results go | :59:37. | :59:39. | |
much deeper than what is happening in Europe. | :59:40. | :59:42. | |
I think they are a lot about what is happening in Britain. People do not | :59:43. | :59:47. | |
think Britain works for them. Across Europe, Eurosceptic and | :59:48. | :59:51. | |
antiestablishment parties made big gains. | :59:52. | :59:53. | |
In France, the far right National front storms to victory. | :59:54. | :59:58. | |
All the latest reaction and developments live as they happen | :59:59. | :00:00. | |
throughout the day. The other headlines at midday... | :00:01. | :00:06. | |
Pope Francis visits the most important holy sites for Muslims and | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
Jews in Jerusalem's all the city. And in Ukraine prospect of talks | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
between Ukraine and Russia, after the confectionery tycoon John | :00:16. | :00:24. | |
Curtice stands poised to triumph in the presidential elections. `` the | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
confectionery tycoon, Petro Poroshenko. | :00:27. | :00:40. | |
Good afternoon, live from Westminster, and Westminster is | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
absorbing the impact of a surge in the anti`EU vote that has seen UKIP | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
sweep to victory in the European elections, accompanied by an almost | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
complete collapse in Liberal Democrat support and mounting | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
pressure on the party leader, Nick Clegg. | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
Nigel Farage has hailed the result as extraordinary. His party took | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
nearly 28% of the vote, and now has ten more MEPs, 20 more seats than `` | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
23 more seats in the European Parliament so far. | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
Another significant gain is expected in Scotland in the next half`hour. | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
The Lib Dems lose all but one of their seats in Brussels, whilst the | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
Conservatives lose seven. Labour gained seven but might have | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
expected to do better just one year away from a general election. | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
UKIP promised an earthquake, and there has certainly been a lack `` | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
radical change in the political landscape. | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
Let us around it all up. Let us hear from our political correspondent, | :01:44. | :01:44. | |
Ross Hawkins. It looked good for UKIP last night, | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
toasting the results with champagne in mugs, and having beaten | :01:48. | :01:55. | |
their bigger rivals nationwide, it looked even better to | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
their leader of this morning. Despite the onslaught we faced | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
in the last few weeks, as if the whole world was | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
against us, the British public stood firm, they have backed UKIP, and we | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
have won a national election. Compare that with the fate | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
and the faces of Liberal Democrats who are all but wiped out, | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
left with a single MEP. It went wrong | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
because there is a very febrile anti`European atmosphere | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
in this country at the moment. There is a general disaffection | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
with politics and politicians. With more votes and MEPs, Labour | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
beat the Conservatives, but only just, and everyone is wondering how | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
Nigel Farage's party did so well. Of course I congratulate him | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
on winning these elections. I think, though, the questions that | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
will be asked about UKIP as we come up to the general election is where | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
they stand on some of the major issues that will be | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
decided in the general election. You know, where they stand | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
on taxation, spending, the NHS. Those questions will be asked | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
of UKIP. For the Conservatives, | :02:56. | :03:04. | |
in third place, similar questions. I think the result showed | :03:05. | :03:06. | |
a very clear message that people are disillusioned with the European | :03:07. | :03:17. | |
Union, with the way it is working The challenge is there that is | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
for my party to demonstrate we have There were scuffles as the BNP | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
arrived at Manchester town Hall, but Nick Griffin had already been | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
beaten by the voters. The big picture, though, | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
a UKIP triumph. The question ` | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
whether we will see more of this Let us get more reaction, we have | :03:35. | :03:44. | |
heard from the Prime Minister and Ed Miliband, let's speak to Steve | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
Fallon, the chair of UKIP. He joined us here at Westminster. Thank you | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
for your time. Is this beyond expectation? | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
It is what we hoped for, and if we had written the script, this is what | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
we would have written. What will you do with the mandate in Brussels? | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
We will continue doing what we have been doing, which is to work towards | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
the UK's exit from the European Union. | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
Everyone that floats UKIP knows that what we have been sent to Brussels | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
to do. You will have seen Lord Ashcroft's | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
falling over the weekend, and that thinks that perhaps more than 50% | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
will drift back before the election? | :04:26. | :04:32. | |
Well, you have to take this into context with the council elections | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
last week, and the two together are very interesting. | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
The centre of gravity for the party has moved further north. | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
We have made some stunning gains in old Labour territory, and this is | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
really a four party system now. I don't think it is a flash in the | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
pan in any respect. Lord Devlin said that UKIP stands | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
for the worst in human beings, prejudice, fears. | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
Did you succeed by playing on people's base instincts? | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
I absolutely reject that. The problem is, what we have done is | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
that we have opened up debates the other parties have been refusing to | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
have. They are now admitting it today, saying that we should have | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
been more open about some of these things. Yes, they should come and we | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
have not been afraid to open these debates. It is no good just | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
vilifying as for them, people want to talk about them. | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
You are doing real damage to the Conservatives, does that not take | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
you further away from actually where you want to end up? | :05:33. | :05:40. | |
The EU in`out referendum? If you damage the Conservatives, perhaps | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
you will get Labour and the Lib Dems and get any sort of referendum, | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
because the Conservatives are really ones that can deliver that | :05:48. | :05:48. | |
referendum. That is a big assumption about the | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
Conservatives and the others. There are a lot of noises being made | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
now about referendums and the European Union, how Eurosceptic | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
everyone is and worried about immigration, but none of these | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
things would be being said if we were not doing what we were doing. | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
The referendum `` there have been calls for the referendum to be moved | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
forward to 2016, would that make a difference? | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
The sooner the better, definitely. In terms of your party, Ed Miliband | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
was saying that in these next 12 months, your manifesto whenever you | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
come up with it will be scrutinised. Are your days of being the outsiders | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
quite limited now? You have 150 councillors, plus. | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
You have a big input into brothels, you are now part of the | :06:37. | :06:38. | |
establishment. In political terms, gas, we're not | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
the outsiders. We are in `` we are an insurgent organisation. But we | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
are prepared for scrutiny of our policies. | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
In terms of... Even Nigel Farage has acknowledged a | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
lot has fallen on his shoulders. One party official was describing it | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
and said that last week it felt like we were carrying around a fragile | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
and expensive fires through a crowded room. | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
You acknowledge you are a bit of a one`man band still. | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
These things become self`fulfilling. Nigel has become a big political | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
star in the country and someone people admire and want to see. | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
Clearly that means he is front and centre in the media, but as I am | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
sure you will have seen in the past few days there are more of us than | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
just Nigel. Taking a step back, we have seen two | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
sets of election results in a few days, and your success in both. | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
Do you think the country, as we stand, is more or less at ease with | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
itself within its communities, with its neighbours? | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
I actually think it is more at ease with itself, because there is one | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
thing we're doing, and this comes back to us the doorsteps, which is | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
that we are giving voice to things that are not being talked about and | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
that makes people feel happier in many respects. A lot of people have | :07:58. | :07:59. | |
become disengaged from the political environment in the last 20 years, | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
and they are saying to us, I am going to vote for you because you | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
were talking about things I think need to be talked about. If you | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
suppress political strands, it is not healthy. I think we are now | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
having debates we should have been having several years ago. Steve | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
Fallon, thank you for your time. Let's head to our cheap little | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
correspondent, Norman Smith, assessing all of those results and | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
the reaction through the course of a busy morning. | :08:30. | :08:31. | |
Norman, what are your thoughts this lunchtime? | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
Matthew, I am outside a very nice Hotel in St James' Park, which has | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
been booked by UKIP for their victory celebrations, which I think | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
give you some sense they must have been pretty confident they were | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
going to win if they have booked a presumably rather expensive hotel | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
suite to have their victory celebrations. | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
Let us not disguise it, it is a massive, massive victory for UKIP, | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
but it is a victory in these sets of elections. | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
We simply do not know whether it will roll over into the general | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
election. You have to say, his group tells us that our electoral system | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
is very adept at squeezing the life out of the smaller parties because | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
of the first past the post system. You can bank up loads of votes all | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
over the place but that does not mean you are going to win seats. | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
That is a real challenge facing UKIP ` can they translate this big number | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
of votes in two seats? Secondly, there is now a challenge facing | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
Nigel Farage himself. When he was campaigning, I was out and about | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
with him a bit and it was very obvious that the public liked him, | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
but they know nothing about anyone else in UKIP. There is a challenge | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
as to whether he can broaden the personality of his party, so that it | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
is not just a one`man band, which at the moment it largely is. Thirdly, | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
he now has to engage on a much broader palette of policies. He | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
cannot just say I am not going to talk about our manifesto, it is all | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
about immigration and Europe, he will now have doing gauge on issues | :10:06. | :10:07. | |
like the health service, the economy, other places where the UKIP | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
will have to spell out where they stand and that provides much more | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
opportunity for the main parties to have a go at UKIP. I was struck this | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
morning, listening to Chuka Umunna of the Labour Party, he was already | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
flagging up UKIP's commitment to flat taxes that would amount to a | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
tax cut for the wealthy. He mentioned the fact they had | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
previously called for charging to visit GPs, to do away with things | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
like maternity pay. You get a sense, certainly on the Labour side, that | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
they are preparing now to play hardball with UKIP. No longer | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
dancing around, Mr nicely nicely, they know they have doing gauge and | :10:46. | :10:52. | |
`` they have to engage. A terrific result in these | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
elections, a whole other ball game when it comes to the general | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
election. Thank you, Norman, we will hear more | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
from him during the day. We are still waiting for the | :11:03. | :11:05. | |
official results in Scotland, so let us head to Edinburgh and speak to | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
BBC Scotland editor, Brian Taylor. What can you tell us? | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
We have the figures for the total share of the vote right now. The | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
candidates are in a room nearby in Edinburgh city Chambers working out | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
the system that is calculated in terms of seats, but I can say that | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
the SNP has topped the poll in popular voting 28.9%, one for ice a | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
fraction down from five years ago. They are winners, so are they happy? | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
Not really, firstly because their vote is slightly down, and secondly | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
because they had set themselves a target, particularly in the last few | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
weeks of campaigning for the European elections, to go up from | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
two seats, their present total, 23`macro. They were to use that | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
winning the third seat to squeeze UKIP out of Scotland, as they put | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
it. It looks on these figures as if UKIP will take a seat in Scotland. | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
To explain the impact of that, UKIP currently, as we stand, until we get | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
the declaration, UKIP have no MPs in Scotland, NOMS please, no MEPs `` no | :12:14. | :12:23. | |
MPs. This would be their first foothold in any sense in politics in | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
Scotland. Their share of the vote, Aaron 10%, is way down on what it is | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
in England, and on Wales, but they have not been squeezed out of | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
existence. Alex Salmond will argue very vigorously, his party have | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
topped the polls, they have been accompanied by a squeeze on the UKIP | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
vote. He will say that indicates Scotland still votes in a very | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
different way from England and that argues perhaps for a difficult `` | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
different style of politics and perhaps independence. But I think | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
his prounion opponents will say, it is different, but not that | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
different, UKIP have still managed to advance in Scotland. | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
Like you for taking us through those figures, we are expecting that | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
official declaration, the announcement, at 12:30pm. | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
As soon as that start we will hear that live on BBC News. | :13:13. | :13:22. | |
Let us discuss what we already know, with a Conservative MP. | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
First of all, how do you view what we have seen? | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
I think politicians have been offered a lesson by these election | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
results, that if you do not engage with the electorate in a way that | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
they think is relevant in a language that is appropriate, that they can | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
respond to, they will simply go and vote for other parties. Whether | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
politicians take up that lesson is another question. To me, the most | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
distressing part of this is that the outcome of these European elections | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
is that we will have a European Parliament that collectively will be | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
more integrationist because those anti`parties will not be able to | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
form a block to reform internally. I will come round to the workings of | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
the Parliament in a moment, but do you see the results of last night as | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
a vast swathe of this country rejecting what we have at the moment | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
in terms of the relationship with Europe? | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
I think it is a little bit about Europe, but also about what I have | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
seen over the decades, really to speed Britain. I represent a coastal | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
town that has a different economy to cities. We have to insure that | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
economic recovery permeates every milk and cranny of the country and | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
does not create this is connected between what is seen as a metro | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
centric Whitehall, and what is happening on the ground. | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
People have felt distance from power. | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
It is not just Europe, they feel distant from the District Council. I | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
think we have to turbo`charge localism and really embed power back | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
with the people, rather than in institutions. But that means facing | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
up to talking about the issues people are talking about and are | :15:02. | :15:03. | |
concerned about. You think enough has been done on | :15:04. | :15:06. | |
that issue? Yes, but we must also be careful | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
that we are talking about the real issues. In my constituency, the | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
average wage is ?17,500. What we have is a low income | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
economy. It needs to have, you know, real boosting, and what we | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
need to do is to ensure we are talking about optimistic future is, | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
at about engaging with the public, but not necessarily using all of | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
UKIP's euphemisms for the solutions. Nigel Farage has been the one that | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
has been talking about immigration. He has said you have created a low | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
income economy in Britain with immigration. Using `` and using | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
gauging with the issue do you just raged `` the issue you just raised. | :15:47. | :15:53. | |
Yes, but there are lots of different dimensional. | :15:54. | :15:55. | |
We need to look at minimum wage. The Prime Minister a few weeks ago said | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
he supported a call that I made that we should look at minimum wage and | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
living wage. This is something that is crucial in areas that have | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
pockets, periphery economies, that feel very left out of this very | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
metro centric country that we live in. | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
For your party, for Ed Miliband, what do you think the challenges are | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
question marks do you think he is fully facing those? | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
The challenge is to become a much more precise to stop we have had an | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
election campaign where the parties have been talking in generalities | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
and have been whipping up a lot of anger. What does Ed Miliband think | :16:40. | :16:47. | |
should happen to the minimum wage? How should it be pitched? How does | :16:48. | :16:54. | |
he think that border control should go? How can we successfully reform | :16:55. | :17:03. | |
Europe? What are three key things he would do? He needs to be precise. He | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
has restated that the Labour pivot `` he has restated the Labour | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
position on the referendum. I have always been in favour of having a | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
referendum. If Ed Miliband wanted to be Prime Minister, there are many | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
other things he needs to do first, but those people who talk about a | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
referendum, they are not spelling out what the alternatives are. The | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
politicians are not asking where the work is we can really go to the | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
electorate and say what in words means and outwards in. Do you not | :17:40. | :17:47. | |
feel that not having a referendum is making a statement, and a lot of the | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
issues around here is a not Europe, it is about people feel that | :17:51. | :17:58. | |
politicians are not listening to them, and there is that issue about | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
our connection with Europe. If the referendum goes on, we need work at | :18:05. | :18:11. | |
government level which would spell out what going out would entail. | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
Given the result we have had overnight, isn't having a referendum | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
totally uncontrollable for David Cameron? He has campaigned for the | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
last few weeks on a set agenda, which basically, the public in part | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
have not listened to. Is that not the greatest danger for him? I think | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
European elections are known as elections with people get the | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
government a kicking. I think the Conservative Party has done really | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
well at the Conservative Party has done really well at this election | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
considering have got to look at the interests of Britain. I have a | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
little bit of a different view from your other guest, and I believe we | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
should stay in Europe, but we need a Europe that is working for our | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
interests, ambitious, externally focused, looking at those trade | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
deals, really pushing our agenda. You would not say you want a Europe | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
that is unambitious. That is the problem which the electorate finds | :19:14. | :19:20. | |
itself in. This is what UKIP has tapped into, a more precise | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
language. We have to leave it there, but that is interesting, because | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
that is why the party leaders are being pressed on, the exact details | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
of how they respond to this set of results. We have a ready heard it | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
from both David Cameron and Ed Miliband, but it was nice to hear | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
from both of you. Let's head to our correspondent who is in the East | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
Midlands, where UKIP got most of the votes. It is also the battle ground | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
for the parliamentary by`election that is coming up in less than A4 | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
night. `` less than two weeks. One of the | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
11 constituencies in Britain, here today come it has been a triumph for | :20:04. | :20:10. | |
UKIP. Here are the results from overnight. The UKIP representatives | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
to two MEP state, taking the biggest share of the overall vote. The | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
Tories have two seats, and in last place, Labour, with just one seat. | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
And unfortunate result for members of the Lib Dems. They only managed | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
to get 6% of the Council votes here. Some people are now calling for Nick | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
Clegg to resign, saying that he is not doing what he needs to do in the | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
East Midlands to wind those people over. UKIP are hoping they will be | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
able to carry on this winning momentum into the by`election, which | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
was triggered by a resignation, someone had to resign after a | :20:53. | :20:59. | |
scandal, so they are hoping they will bring that momentum over, but | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
the Tories have a majority here, and they were campaigning hard here last | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
week, and they feel that they are able to turn that into a succession | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
in the by`election next week, but we will see if the UKIP can overturn | :21:15. | :21:16. | |
the majority. They do very much. | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
Let's take a more in depth look at what happened across Europe last | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
night because anti`EU parties from the left and right are expected | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
to gain significant numbers of MEPs across all 28 member states. | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
Dealing with the shock waves of these results. Yes, and the biggest | :21:33. | :21:48. | |
question will be, will they choose to deal with the shock waves. Will | :21:49. | :21:57. | |
they say, well, that was a negative vote, maybe more than a protest of | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
it, but it did not have an agenda that came with it, so we are going | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
to focus on what we can do for the European economy. When you look at | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
the results of overnight, yes, it was the night for the insurgents, | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
but there was some very differing platforms politically there, from | :22:15. | :22:22. | |
France to Greece, which is on the left, not right, so it is a | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
collocated and fractured picture and certainly a lot more exciting that | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
it was before. This worker complicated. Here is a round`up of | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
the will stop `` combo kit. Here is a round up. One of four of the votes | :22:38. | :22:44. | |
cast in France went to the Front National, a huge jump in support. | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
The party's readers that the sovereign people have spoken loudly | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
and wanted to be masters of their own destiny. It was a boat against | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
the unpopular socialist president, but it was a vote against the effect | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
of number ship as well, particularly immigration. The Danish people's | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
party came first in Denmark on a promise of taking powers back from | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
Brussels. When MEPs meet here, more of them and ever will be fierce | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
critics of the parliaments they have just been elected to. The | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
mainstream, centre`left and centre`right parties will still have | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
a majority here, but anti`Europe MEP will be a disruptive block of | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
dissent. And they do not just come from the right. In Greece, the | :23:33. | :23:38. | |
radical left party topped the poll. Greece has been hit hard by | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
austerity. The far right 's Golden Dawn came third, winning MEPs for | :23:43. | :23:49. | |
the first time. There has been a backlash against Europe and | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
immigration in some member states, and it is the Front National's win | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
in France and UKIP's when in Britain that has defined the selection. | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
Let's go to France, where we had that huge upset by the Front | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
National. Christian Fraser is there for us. It has been a morning of | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
political activity, hasn't it, reacting to that upset. | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
Yes. The two mainstream parties are very much licking their wounds this | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
morning. The socialists called an emergency meeting today at 830. On | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
his way, the Prime Minister was saying that he wants to introduce | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
income tax cuts for lower and middle income families, so they recognise | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
the scale of the anger. Here are a couple of headlines. This is the | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
French word for earthquake and you can see Marine Le Pen on the front. | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
Here is a picture of the president. His party took just 14% of the vote | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
which is their worst performance. Compare that to Angela Merkel's | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
party in Germany who took almost one in three votes. This is the front | :25:03. | :25:11. | |
page of a newspaper. People are worried that France will now be | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
identified solely with the Front National. Another newspaper is | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
saying that this has happened before, in 2002, when the father of | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
Marine Le Pen went through to the second round of the presidential | :25:25. | :25:27. | |
vote, but what is different this time is that there is not the same | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
public act last to the result, no protests, no demonstrations in Paris | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
today. There has almost been a shrug of the the tale of the results. The | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
other things they asked Marco at the gala of the results. `` there has | :25:42. | :25:49. | |
almost been a shrug at the scale of the results. There are questions | :25:50. | :25:56. | |
about how the president can continue to govern for the next three years | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
when his mandate looks so fragile. Thank you very much. There is | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
certainly a lot to think about here in terms of how the institutions | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
will be run, the policies, what challenges face them. | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
Thank you. We not that far away from getting the official result in | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
Scotland, so let's go back live to Edinburgh and show you the pictures | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
there and talk again to our correspondence. A think we are about | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
to get the declaration, so before we talk to Brian, let's listen in. | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I have the result of the | :26:40. | :26:46. | |
election for the electoral region of Scotland and European parliamentary | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
elections of 2014. I am a regional returning officer at the European | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
element elections held on May 22, 2014. The total number of valid | :27:00. | :27:07. | |
events as notified to me, given to each registered party and to be the | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
number of votes which such a party had at any stage when a seat with | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
allocated to that party, the names in full in the home addresses and | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
full of each candidate to fill a seat or to whom a seat has been | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
allocated, and whether in the case of a party there are remaining | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
candidates who have not been declared to be elected. First of | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
all, total number of valid votes given to each registered party. | :27:33. | :27:39. | |
Britain first, 13,639. British National Party, 10,216. Conservative | :27:40. | :27:53. | |
Party, 231,000. Labour Party, 438,219. Liberal Democrats, 95,319. | :27:54. | :28:05. | |
Not UKIP... Scottish Green Party, 108,305. Scottish National Party, | :28:06. | :28:16. | |
389,503. UK Independence Party, 140,000, 534. `` 140,534. Whether or | :28:17. | :28:31. | |
not a candidate is remaining on that list has the who has not been | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
elected. The number one, the Scottish National Party, the number | :28:38. | :28:44. | |
of a vote on the allocation of the seat with 389,503. In an address of | :28:45. | :29:02. | |
the successful candidate... And there were still candidates | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
remaining on the party list not declared elected. | :29:06. | :29:08. | |
Seat number two is allocated to the Labour Party. The number of thoughts | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
on the allocation of seats was 348,219, and the name and address of | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
the successful and edit, David Martin, beers then. `` successful | :29:17. | :29:33. | |
candidate from Bearsden. Seat number three was allocated to | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
the Conservative Party. The number of votes on the allocation of the | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
seat was 231,330, and the name and address of the successful candidate | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
was Iain Duncan, Edinburgh. And there were candidates remaining | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
on that party list not declared elected. | :29:52. | :30:04. | |
Seat number four was allocated to the Scottish National party. The | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
number of thoughts on the allocation of the seat was 194,752. The name | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
and address of the successful candidate, Alan Smith, Edinburgh. | :30:15. | :30:21. | |
Again, there were parties remaining on the party list not declared | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
elected. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | :30:25. | :30:32. | |
Seat number five was allocated to the Labour Party. The number of | :30:33. | :30:42. | |
thoughts on the allocation of this seat was 170 4000, 110. The name and | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
address of the successful candidate, Catherine Styler, Dunfermline. | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
There were still candidates remaining on the party list not | :30:54. | :31:01. | |
declared elected. APPLAUSE | :31:02. | :31:04. | |
the sixth and final seat for Scotland was allocated to the UK | :31:05. | :31:11. | |
Independence Party. The number of votes on the | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
allocation of seat was 140,534. The name and address of the | :31:17. | :31:18. | |
successful candidate was David Adam Cockburn, Kensington, London. | :31:19. | :31:27. | |
There were parties remaining on that party list not declared elected. | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
APPLAUSE ladies and gentlemen, I am going to | :31:35. | :31:41. | |
ask each of the successful candidates if they wished is a a few | :31:42. | :31:44. | |
words to you, but I would like to thank the entire team in the | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
regional returning officers' team, and the CAD collation team in | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
particular, but also to thank all of the local returning officers around | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
Scotland for a welly `` very well conducted election. | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
There it is, the results in Scotland. | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
UKIP, getting representation in Scotland for the first time. | :32:09. | :32:11. | |
Let us bring in BBC Scotland editor, Brian Taylor, watching all | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
of that. Brian, your assessment? | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
It is a remarkable victory for... We're still the most popular party | :32:19. | :32:27. | |
in terms of the vote... Jim Murphy, the member of the Shadow | :32:28. | :32:41. | |
Cabinet has done a blog in which he says the SNP are in denial about the | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
advance of UKIP in Scotland. There is a slight paradox for those | :32:47. | :32:52. | |
who support the union in labour and Liberal Democrats and conservatives, | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
but he says it indicates a pattern north and south of the border is not | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
as great a distance as has been argued by the SNP. | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
That is being completely countered by the lead SNB `` the lead SNP | :33:04. | :33:11. | |
candidate. They see the difference is still | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
extremely clear and sharp. The SNP acts effectively, they would argue, | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
as the antidote to UKIP. Brian come is there anything from | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
this set of election results that in any way please for the referendum | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
that is coming in a few months? I think the element that makes the | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
difference is that the SNP have topped the poll and they are | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
delighted with that, they are pleased. | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
Despite being in government for seven years. | :33:40. | :33:41. | |
They have topped the poll while in the last few weeks they said they | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
hoped to take three seats, not two, and to squeeze out UKIP as | :33:47. | :33:48. | |
bodyguards. They have not done so. | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
Brian Taylor, just taking us through those results in Scotland. | :33:54. | :33:55. | |
Official confirmation thereof the seats in Scotland. | :33:56. | :34:01. | |
We still wait for confirmation from Northern Ireland. | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
Let us look at the picture for the Liberal Democrats, because that a | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
story that is emerging through the course of this morning, UKIP has | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
taken half of the available seats for Yorkshire and Humber and the | :34:13. | :34:18. | |
area covers Sheffield, the home of Nick Clegg's constituency. | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
Our correspondent is there, and we have seen games across the country | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
for UKIP. There, also, it is home for Nick Clegg. | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
Good afternoon. I am not sure Nick Clegg will be having a great bank | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
holiday Monday today after the dismal results in both local and | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
European elections. We argue in his constituency, which | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
has been the case since 2005. It is Sheffield Hallam. It has an unusual | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
make`up, because where we are standing now, and very busy student | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
population, you can look around and it is pretty busy year, but also his | :34:56. | :35:01. | |
constituency is made up of a very large rural population, as well, | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
which takes in the Peak District. It is an unusual make`up, he has to | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
please the rural people and student population. | :35:11. | :35:12. | |
There are a couple of issues that may have come back to haunt him, | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
that the coalition cuts will have hit people in rural areas, and | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
students here, we have gotten a real sense this morning, has still not | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
forgiven him for the furore over tuition fees. | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
Before the last election he promised he would not raise them at all, then | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
he got together with David Cameron and what does he do? He went back on | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
his work. `` on his word. | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
He apologised profusely, but it may have come back to haunt him. | :35:42. | :35:44. | |
This has been the reaction from some people in the area earlier today. | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
I think it is horrible. I think the country doesn't really have enough | :35:51. | :35:52. | |
information on the whole subject and I think it has angrily voted, a sort | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
of protest rather than actually wanting UKIP, shamefully. | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
I am glad that Labour went up in quite a few areas. | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
The game from Tories and stuff, I saw that on the website, that is | :36:10. | :36:16. | |
good. To be honest, I do not bother voting. | :36:17. | :36:16. | |
I know that probably sounds shocking I know that probably sounds shocking | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
but I do not vote because I do not but I do not vote because I do not | :36:21. | :36:20. | |
particularly agree with any party. I think we should be fighting back | :36:21. | :36:29. | |
happens. the get in. We will have to see | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
happens. That is the view from some people | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
general feeling across the country general feeling across the country | :36:42. | :36:42. | |
election `` European elections to that people have used the general | :36:43. | :36:42. | |
election `` European elections to get back at the Coalition | :36:43. | :36:42. | |
Government. Historically, this seat Government. Historically, this seat | :36:43. | :36:44. | |
is unusual, it has never been a Labour heartland compared to some | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
places in South Yorkshire, but it has always been a very safe Liberal | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
Democrats seat. Whether that will be the case in the next election, it is | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
looking quite uncertain. Charlotte, thank you very much. | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
Asked to concentrate on the Liberal Democrats for the next few moments, | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
they are taking stock of terrible they are taking stock of | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
results. We had the local elections when they | :37:11. | :37:17. | |
lost around 300 counsellors, and that was on top of councillors they | :37:18. | :37:25. | |
have lost before. Then, last night, they have gone | :37:26. | :37:35. | |
from 12 MEPs to a solitary MEP. We have seen through the course of the | :37:36. | :37:42. | |
morning the criticism that is being directed at Nick Clegg. We have had | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
one MP saying it is not the message, but the messenger. John Pugh was | :37:47. | :37:47. | |
likening over the weekend to Nick Clegg and those at the top of the | :37:48. | :37:50. | |
Liberal Democrat party generals at the Somme. We have topped about a | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
deficit of trust with Nick Clegg. A lot of issues being directed to Nick | :37:55. | :37:56. | |
Clegg. I hope to speak to John Pugh, one of | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
those MPs come in a few minutes. But first, let's get the thought of | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
some of the younger party Abbas, joining me is Becks Bailey, the | :38:06. | :38:12. | |
youth representative from Labour, and the liberal representative for | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
you. I was talking about the Liberal | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
Democrats, it makes sense to turn to you first, what do you make of these | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
results? It is a disappointment, but you have | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
to bear in mind it is very different to what people think. It is not a | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
Lib Dem wipe`out, because at the last European election we got 14%. | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
It is not far off. Beren mind this is before the | :38:39. | :38:41. | |
coalition, we were on 14% in the European elections. The biggest | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
story is that turnout was pretty horrific... | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
Turnout is not the story, come on. The UKIP surge is the story and the | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
real impact on the Liberal Democrats and what it says in terms of its | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
leader taking the party into two results like that. Would you like to | :39:00. | :39:06. | |
see Nick Clegg continue on this strategy? | :39:07. | :39:13. | |
I think we had a fantastic strategy, I am proud of the message we put out | :39:14. | :39:22. | |
their... Even though the public rejected it? | :39:23. | :39:31. | |
I think it had more to do with labour not joining us to tackle | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
xenophobia. They should have had a character | :39:36. | :39:37. | |
assassination of Nigel Farage. Instead of focusing on Nick Clegg | :39:38. | :39:38. | |
for four years, which was an incorrect strategy. They completely | :39:39. | :39:40. | |
ignored now `` Nigel Farage, and Nick Clegg was the only one to | :39:41. | :39:42. | |
confronting head`on. It completely died looted the message we should | :39:43. | :39:44. | |
have had as an entire country, which is not xenophobic. | :39:45. | :39:46. | |
You would acknowledge that the public come in vastus waves, have | :39:47. | :39:48. | |
rejected what your party put forward. | :39:49. | :39:49. | |
I think it comes down to how much of the message actually got through. | :39:50. | :39:56. | |
There was just one party putting forward the pro`EU message and | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
Labour should have joined us in that. | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
Was John man right which Mikey made a similar point that UKIP has made | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
real inroads into labour support, `` was John man right? | :40:10. | :40:17. | |
I think we did to an extent attack UKIP. | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
We have seen in Lib Dem support dropping off that they have let | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
young people dying, and young people voted according to that. | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
Did you go after UKIP as strongly as you should? | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
Yes, I think we did. Not at all. That is not right. I think what we | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
have seen from these election results is that the public have | :40:37. | :40:38. | |
recognised that. No, sorry, common struggle, Labour | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
had a campaign that had nothing to do with Europe at all. They had a | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
poster out talking about Nick Clegg, the person who put your VAT | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
bill up. There has been no rise on VAT on | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
food. The wall broadcast was shrieking mad | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
about Nick Clegg. It is interesting because, after these results come in | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
Ed Miliband is going out talking about all of those areas where UKIP | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
have made gains. That is where he is now focused but | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
perhaps it is a little late. I think if we look nationally the | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
Labour Party has increased the vote share this time and all the other | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
parties have seen their vote share decrease. | :41:21. | :41:22. | |
Labour one year away from the general election should have topped | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
the polls. We are in a fantastic position. | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
We have been increasing our seats in the marginal constituencies, we are | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
doing a good job in those areas. When you sat down and had a strategy | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
at 2010, it probably was to focus on marginal seats in a straight, | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
conservative` labour fight. Also to get voters from the Liberal | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
Democrats, disgruntled voters. Doesn't that strategy now have to be | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
thrown out of the window now that we are in four party politics? | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
We are gaining votes from the Lib Dems and Tories. | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
But losing them to UKIP. There are obviously concerns the voters have | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
that we should be listening to, they feel shut out from politics. | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
Labour has been consistently putting forward policies to counter that and | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
making sure people feel involved in the economy and have that kind of | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
voice, particularly 16`year`olds making sure... Are you making enough | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
strides? 12 month out you should be much | :42:23. | :42:25. | |
further ahead, should you not? We're winning the seats that | :42:26. | :42:27. | |
matter. That is not what I am asking you. | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
Shouldn't you be further ahead than you are after four years of | :42:33. | :42:34. | |
hostility? I think it is a tough challenge to | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
come back after one year of being out of government. We have increased | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
our vote share, we have more local councillors, more councils... | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
The interesting thing in terms the Labour perspective, despite the | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
points you have raised and I have raised, they have come out with a | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
number of policies, even in the areas where they face a challenge | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
from UKIP they have come up with a policy on minimum wage. They have | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
been talking about zero hours contracts, rent, a whole raft of | :43:05. | :43:07. | |
policies that they will eventually will bring UKIP back. | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
The Liberal Democrats, what are they going to do now, given what you have | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
put forward has been rejected? Well, I think you have to Beren mind | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
we have just been in government and managed to get the economy to rise | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
up. `` of you have to bear in mind. | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
We have policies we wish we could have done in the last 100 years, we | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
raised the income tax threshold to ?10,000. | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
We have introduced the people bring in, we had done so much in | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
government as opposed to the reactionary shouting from the | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
sidelines Miliband has been doing. Thank you so much for being with me | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
for those thoughts, but I will edit them because we have been talking a | :43:47. | :43:49. | |
lot about the Liberal Democrat MP for Southport. | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
He is in our Liverpool 's studio. Thank you for your time. What do you | :43:54. | :44:01. | |
make of these results question mark well, they are abysmal. | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
We have lost 91% of our European MPs and a few days ago we lost 72% of | :44:06. | :44:13. | |
the councillors that were standing. There are many areas that have no | :44:14. | :44:16. | |
Liberal Democrat representation at any level. They are abysmal, | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
worrying, undeserved, but we have to deal with it. | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
How do you deal with it? I was reading some of your comments over | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
the weekend specific to Nick Clegg. You likened him to generals at the | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
Somme. Certainly the people at the top of the party. I agree with Paddy | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
Ashdown, that we have to keep our heads. | :44:39. | :44:41. | |
In these sort of is, where we have lost 91% of our Euro MPs, we have, | :44:42. | :44:47. | |
after the greens in the European elections and lost a of councillors | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
after the previous elections, in those circumstances, we are not | :44:52. | :44:53. | |
going to have a review of strategy and leadership. In whatever | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
circumstances would we have a strategy review. | :44:59. | :45:06. | |
What should the considerations be when it comes to the issue of | :45:07. | :45:11. | |
leadership? My personal preference would be for a succession. It is up | :45:12. | :45:22. | |
to the polls to tell us what will make us successful and progressive | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
come up the cannot just carry on as usual. If we do, we are exactly like | :45:28. | :45:33. | |
those generals, because these results are her rent is. So you | :45:34. | :45:40. | |
think it cannot just be businesses `` results are her rudeness. So you | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
think the issue of ownership has to think the issue of ownership has to | :45:45. | :45:50. | |
be decided. Decided now and decided quickly. We should reflect very hard | :45:51. | :45:59. | |
and quickly, make some good decisions and get onto the election | :46:00. | :46:02. | |
in better shape, but we can't go on into elections in the same shape | :46:03. | :46:06. | |
that we went into the last lot of elections. I am puzzled, and maybe | :46:07. | :46:11. | |
you can't explain, because in terms of going into the coalition, there | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
were votes for the Liberal Democrats, you all signed up to it, | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
in terms of a change, why would it be any different under Vince Cable, | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
the name he just mentioned? We are proud of his achievements. Clearly, | :46:29. | :46:36. | |
people in low income brackets are being helped. All that kind of thing | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
is very good. The problem is that that could message is not getting | :46:41. | :46:44. | |
across, and one of the fundamental problems is that a section of the | :46:45. | :46:47. | |
electorate are not listening to Nick Clack at the moment `` Nick Clegg at | :46:48. | :46:54. | |
the moment. That is unfortunate. We have got to deal with the world as | :46:55. | :46:58. | |
we have it and not as we wish it to be. Why do you feel that if you | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
throw him over the side, people will listen to Vince Cable or anybody | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
else? Nobody is suggesting that, but I'd do think `` but one of the great | :47:08. | :47:16. | |
criticisms of the established parties in this election is that | :47:17. | :47:19. | |
they are being confronted with an unorthodox type of politician, | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
someone who'd looks like he is not from the same stable as the rest of | :47:25. | :47:32. | |
them. We have to get our message across because we have a powerful | :47:33. | :47:35. | |
message that should deliver political goals. Reading the | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
comments of the former and he who was saying the Chicago MP, he was | :47:43. | :47:53. | |
saying `` and he, and the other that is part of the problem that, given | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
tuition fees and other decisions, people simply do not trust him | :47:59. | :48:05. | |
anymore? The tuition fees were a tremendous crisis for Nick Clegg and | :48:06. | :48:08. | |
the party and it is a policy that did not work out, but the issue of | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
trust is still lingering on, and we have to accept that that issue is | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
still... I do not know what we can do in the short term, is how we | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
present ourselves in the next general election as a party is of | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
great concern. If we look as though we cannot be trusted be will not get | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
a good result. In terms of debating all of these issues that you raise, | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
openly as a Democratic party, you have had some pretty sharp words | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
directed at Lord Ashdown this morning. Why are you so unhappy? He | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
is suggesting that we just knuckle down and remain calm. We should | :48:47. | :48:52. | |
definitely remain calm, but Ira Pete the point, not to rebuke the `` I | :48:53. | :49:00. | |
repeat the point, that all of the same figures will be involved in the | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
next election, and a think there is scope, opportunity for clear, | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
precise thoughts about where we go next in a collegial way, in a | :49:10. | :49:15. | |
consensual way, without bloodshed, and coming up with a solution that | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
will work better than the solution we had these elections. On that, you | :49:19. | :49:25. | |
were suggesting earlier in your first answer some sort of transition | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
to Vince Cable. Flesh that out, that's the thought process a little | :49:31. | :49:36. | |
more. Iran is going into details about how this might pan out or not | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
pan out now, because there is obviously a lot of discussion that | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
needs to be happened the `` that needs to happen. We do not want a | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
long set of leadership elections. I agree that we do not want | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
aggravation within the party and discord. We need to look at what the | :49:55. | :49:57. | |
evidence is telling us about what will give us the best results, and I | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
am open to arguments here myself, and then go with it, and if I am | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
persuaded that I am wrong, I will happily knuckle down and work very | :50:07. | :50:10. | |
hard in the same way I always intended to for the Liberal | :50:11. | :50:16. | |
Democrats, who ever is the leader. You are there, sitting there in our | :50:17. | :50:19. | |
studios, have you had any conversations with any other MPs? | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
How widespread are the sorts of concerns that you have just | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
articulated amongst other MPs? I think MPs all see the problem but | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
they do not all agree on what exactly is the solution. Some people | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
do exactly what the Lord Ashdown do exactly what the Lord Ashdown | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
says, which is to plow on with plan A, and I think we need to look at | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
plan A, because of until now, pursuing plan A, and I am talking | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
about political strategy, has led to loss and loss of councillors in the | :50:51. | :50:55. | |
ruination of many political careers, and they think the hardy is looking | :50:56. | :51:02. | |
to those of us in Westminster to provide a platform at the next | :51:03. | :51:05. | |
election that is far more satisfactory than what has been | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
provided this election. How deep is that the satisfaction across the | :51:10. | :51:16. | |
grassroots level? In a sense, you run the risk of almost becoming... | :51:17. | :51:38. | |
Do you think if he just continued with no change to the leadership you | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
risk electoral suicide? I am sitting in Merseyside now. A few years ago, | :51:44. | :51:50. | |
the Liberal Democrats were running Liverpool and now they there `` and | :51:51. | :51:57. | |
now there is a very serious problem, particularly for a party | :51:58. | :52:00. | |
that used to represent all parts of the country. We have to come up with | :52:01. | :52:11. | |
a strategy that will take us back to let's have a look at how the results | :52:12. | :52:45. | |
panned out right across Europe. Let's get more from Jeremy. A huge | :52:46. | :52:55. | |
election across 28 countries, but let's look at the dramatic events in | :52:56. | :53:23. | |
in 2009, and Labour pinned back just in 2009, and Labour pinned back just | :53:24. | :53:24. | |
to the north east here. The rest of to the north east here. The rest of | :53:25. | :53:26. | |
all Conservative blue. 12 regions, all Conservative blue. 12 regions, | :53:27. | :53:28. | |
let's mark the map now in the colours that were left by | :53:29. | :53:29. | |
let's look at the dramatic events in the 2014 election, and look at | :53:30. | :53:31. | |
this. For the Northeast, Scottish Nationalist yellow in Scotland, and | :53:32. | :53:32. | |
but the UKIP advance is really quite but the UKIP advance is really quite | :53:33. | :53:33. | |
extraordinary. If I've narrowed down the map and get it to show areas | :53:34. | :53:35. | |
where parties came first by local council, you will see there is a lot | :53:36. | :53:37. | |
of Conservative blue, but where it flashes where the party was first | :53:38. | :53:49. | |
last time was not first ( but so much flashing purple, UKIP have | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
advanced to first place, a truly brilliant night for Nigel Farage's | :53:56. | :54:15. | |
party. UKIP in first place on the 24 members of the European Parliament. | :54:16. | :54:30. | |
The Conservatives had 26 last time and they are down to 19. The Green | :54:31. | :54:40. | |
Party is in fourth place, a good night for them. A catastrophic | :54:41. | :54:53. | |
evening for the Liberal Democrats, who are down to just one, and then | :54:54. | :55:21. | |
we have the nationalists among them. In | :55:22. | :55:24. |