Europe - Part 2 Vote 2014

Hello and welcome to the BBC's election Centre. At ten o'clock when

the polls closed across Europe the first results in the 2014 European

Parliament elections started to come in. We were not able to say anything

before for fear of going to jail. Our analysts will be analysing the

results coming in. Our political editor and political and economic

experts will give their views of what can be read and what can change

because of this. Emily make this will break down the votes region by

region. Jeremy Vine is here with us to fill in the picture of what is

going on in the EU as a whole. As far as Britain goes, we have results

from two British regions, the North East and the East of England. It

looks as though UKIP is on their way to top the polls. At the moment they

have four MEPs, Labour and Conservatives on three each and the

Liberal Democrats have none. In Europe we have seen a rising tide of

Euroscepticism, in particular in France where the National Front, the

party that UKIP will have nothing to do with, has come top of the poll.

It won the election in France to the great discomfort of the president

who is holding a special Cabinet meeting tomorrow to discuss it.

Let's have a look at what we have got in. Can you take us through

where we are at the moment. We have had two of the four regions

and we have heard partial results across Great Britain. This is the

scoreboard with 150 declared. We are one third of the way through. UKIP

is at the top on a 29% share of the vote. Labour are in second place, up

8%. The Conservatives are slightly falling. They were top last time

round. The Green Party is ahead of the Liberal Democrats. In Scotland

it is interesting. We have only got a few of the results. The SNP are at

the top on 29%. They are holding the vote, but they are not making

gains. Labour is pushing up slightly, but they are behind the

SNP. That battle will be closely watched for any signal ahead of the

referendum in September. UKIP I'm making fourth place. This is Wales

and Labour is in first place. UKIP are just behind them in second

place. The Conservatives had a surprise victory in Wales last time

around at the top and now they are down to third place.

You said we were halfway through? 150 are in and we have got about 380

altogether. Just over one third. We get the European vote counted in

authorities. They send them to the centre of a region and then the

proportional representation system allocates the seeds. We get a

picture of the popular vote coming through from Emily, but later on as

we get region by region we will see how many MEPs come through. Let's

have a look at Europe. On this map we have these globes and

circles and this is the result in 2009. Broken down at the bottom of

the circle are the proportions of the parties and the groupings inside

the European Parliament. We are now getting some results. This is

Greece. The key thing to note is the red colour was the main, status quo,

left-wing party. They have been completely hammered and it is the

hard left piety which has done really well in these elections. It

is just underscoring that story of an election where the traditional

parties in lots of countries, not all, are getting badly hit by the

voters. France is a classical example of this. You can see the

proportions on the lower edge of the circle. The grey is the National

Front. Look at how well they have done. You will see the proportions

and what a victory it is for the National Front. They are up 19%.

This is a sensational result in France, quite extraordinary. The

Socialists, the governing party, are 15% down. The real news from France

is that the figure of 25%. We can see what that translating into

proportional representation is. Just to reinforce the scale of this

victory, they are up 21 seats. They are pushing the main parties into

second and third place. Let's have a look at the Greek percentages. This

also tells an interesting story. Greece is really hurting in the

banking crisis and the recession. They are not out of it yet. Their

economic figures are amongst the worst in Europe. This is

sensational. They now lead from almost nothing. The second party is

a traditional party, a more right-wing party. They are not being

blamed for the economic crisis. The river is a new grouping of

different people with mixed ideologies. This shows how

fragmented the economic crisis has made group politics in Greece.

Golden Dawn are on the hard right. The lesson is where the economic

consequences have been awful, the political consequences for their

part for the traditional parties are bad as well. We can speak to Megan

Green. What do you think is happening in Greece that has led to

the rise of both sides at the centre. What is surprising is the

far left piety has not done better given the scale of the economic

recession over the past couple of years. It is important it only came

a few percentage points ahead of new democracy, the biggest party in the

Government. It could have sparked a snap elections. I will come back and

talk about that again in a moment. We can speak to the chairman of the

Conservative Party who has been patiently waiting in Westminster.

What do you make of the news you have said so far? You may appeared

to be doing better at this moment then you will once the London

results come in. This will be a very significant, tough set of elections

where people are sending a pretty clear message. They do not like the

way Europe feels so remote, they do not think it works in Britain's

interest and they are sending a strong message and across Europe as

you have just been saying. It is a command for Britain to get a better

deal, which is why we want to renegotiate with Europe.

Conservatives want to put that to an in and out referendum. We did not

get that legislation through the Parliament just finished. We are

about to introduce the bill in the next session and I hope the other

parties will back us this time. The powerful backbencher who challenged

David Cameron for the leadership of the Conservative Party, David Davis,

says the right thing to do is to abandon this 2017 referendum and say

you will have it come what may in 2016. It becomes a firm guarantee to

the voter that the Conservatives will have a referendum. Whatever

side you are on, there is no doubt at all our relationship with Europe

is very complex and it involves jobs and job security because companies

export or import. You cannot rush and negotiation of that type. To

have it in 2017 two years after the general election is a reasonable

thing to do. I do think it is important to get that renegotiation

right. By the way, tonight's elections show something else.

People are fed up and they want to see more action, particularly with

our relations with Europe. But what is interesting is this big gap in

the way people voted in the local elections where the Conservative

share went up, and the way they have voted in the European elections.

UKIP said this would be a free hit election and I guess people may well

have responded to that, but in a year's time, it is certainly

anything but a free hit. How we finished off the job of this

recovery, the fastest growth in Europe, making sure everyone feels

the benefit of that, people are getting more security, that is a big

and a serious question. You cannot read much between the results

tonight and the general election. Nick Robinson has a question.

You are saying this is a significant set of results, but you are saying

the country is telling you to carry on doing what you are going to do.

Maybe they say they do not like the renegotiation and they want

something much more serious in terms of standing up to Europe. It is

clear people want a choice. You cannot get more serious than giving

people a referendum of in or out and it is what we are pledging. If it

was so convincing, why are people not voting for it? Are you not in

danger of doing what politicians do and say, I am listening to the

people and they are telling me to carry on doing the policies I was

doing last week? Of course it is serious. We must listen to what is

being said. It is clear people want a say on Europe. If you are somebody

my age, somebody who was not able to vote in the 70s, you have never had

a say on Europe. You cannot get a more significant say than an in and

out referendum. Labour and the Lib Dems will vote against having that

say. UKIP admit they cannot deliver. You are only going to get a

referendum by voting Conservative in a year's time. Would you vote out?

We want to give everybody the child on how they vote, but I am confident

we can get what we need in terms of Britain's relationship with Europe

and that means powers decided from home and Westminster. It means an

end to this ever closer union and the presumption that you can only

move in one direction with those powers. It means doing things here

that can be done here and sharing where we need to on trade and the

environment and not thinking Europe has the answer to everything. You

are not saying if we don't get the deal we want, I will vote for

Britain to come out? I am convinced we are going to have the deal we

want because people never believed we would get the rebate back and we

did. People never believed we would cut the budget and we did. People

believed we would never get the opportunity to veto a treaty, but we

have done that. If we are re-elected and David Cameron is Prime Minister,

not only will we have that referendum, but we were also get a

decent deal. Then it will be up to you and your viewers to decide how

they want to vote. Give us your view of what is happening in Britain. We

are seeing two contests. One is standard between Labour and

Conservative, which Labour seems to be pimping the Conservatives at the

post, but not doing as well as they would have hoped. That is a contest

about what kind of Europe or a Britain that you would like. But the

second contest between UKIP and the rest is whether you want Europe at

all and given that UKIP is winning that direction, it seems that

Britain is moving in a Eurosceptic direction. The Conservative Party

will be moved even further in that direction. Let's go over to

Kettering. On the 22nd of May, 2014, I hereby give notice that the number

of votes recorded for each registered party is as follows: An

Independence From Europe, 21,384. British National Party. 18,326.

Conservative Party, excuse me, I think I see an error. I do indeed

see an error. The Conservative Party, 368 thousand 734. Excuse me,

that is UKIP. I will start again. Independence from Europe, 21,384.

British National Party, 18,326. Conservative Party to hundred and

91,270. English Democrats, 11,612. Green Party, 67,066. Harmony party,

2194. Labour Party, 279,363. Liberal Democrats, 60,773. UK Independence

party, 368,734. The number of votes for each party

had, after the application of subsections five and nine of section

two 2000 act were as follows. Seat one, UK Independence party, 368,734.

Roger Helmer. Seat number two, Conservative Party. 291,270, Emma

McClarkin. See number three, the Labour Party. 279,363, Dennis

Wilmot. -- Glenys will not. UK Independence party, 184,367, Margot

Parker. C five, Conservative Party, 145,000 635, Andrea Iannone Luella.

So the Liberal Democrats lose their seat in the East Midlands. Roger

Helmer, also the candidate in the Newark via election in a few weeks,

is the lead MEP for UKIP in the East Midlands. I would like to thank all

those who have assisted in this campaign. I would like to thank UKIP

party members, supporters and especially my colleagues on the

campaign team. Can I say how delighted I personally am we shall

be welcoming Parker as the second UKIP MEP in Brussels. I must also

thank my staff in Brussels who managed to keep the show on the road

well I have been busy campaigning. And a special word of thanks to Paul

Oakton, who has been our election agent and has done an extremely fine

job. I should also like to thank Emma McClarkin and Glenis Willmott,

who have been very courteous and civilised campaigners and I think we

have had a good campaign. A final look at the rise in the UKIP vote,

up 16% and the fall of the Liberal Democrats, 17%. Labour up 8%. Emily,

can you show us England and UKIP? This is the scoreboard for Great

Britain. Particularly the Liberal Democrats, if you can. You have to

look quite far down to find them. Down 7%. Tim Farron joins us.

President of the Liberal Democrats, from Manchester. Thank you for

coming in. It is looking and nightmare for you, isn't it? It is

looking as bad as I had feared. I am getting a lot of echo back on the

line. I will take this out. Just keep talking, is my advice. I will

do that, and somebody will wave at me when you need me to listen to

you. It is as bad as I feared and I hoped it would be better. We are in

a situation where in the Northwest we don't expect to have held the

seat here. The Liberal Democrats, what ever we end up recording in

terms of our numbers of seats, we fought a campaign which I am

extremely proud of. Nick Laird has fought and led the campaign bravely.

The only party who stood up to UKIP and their threat to British

traditional values of tolerance and diversity. Somebody had to do that.

Neither the Labour Party or the Tories had the back home to stand up

to UKIP. We took the popular side of an argument and we have been

punished, but I would do it all over again. I think we will come back to

you when we have the line sorted out. It is too difficult. Let's have

a look at Scotland coming in, Emily. I think you will be speaking to Alex

Salmond in a second. We have the SNP at the top on 29%. In this column

they are not gaining, zero in terms of any gains. If you are looking for

a surge ahead, it is not happening so far. Labour on 26% and up

slightly, 5%. If you come down this list, UKIP have made some gains.

They are on 10%. There is a chance at this stage they could deliver a

seat for UKIP in Scotland. Very tentative. Not enough results in for

that to be certain. We are joined by Alex Salmond, First Minister of

Scotland who is speaking to us from Aberdeen. The picture here seems to

be the SNP are not moving ahead, Labour is in second place and UKIP

may have an MEP. That would be a surprise? First, we are exactly

where we were five years ago when these elections were contested. We

went on from these elections five years ago to win a landslide in the

Scottish Parliament election. After seven years in government, it looks

like we will win yet another election in Scotland. I don't think

that is too bad. As far as UKIP is concerned, your correspondent is

right. It is whether they get a third seat out of six will stop it

seems like a world of difference from the results I am hearing in

England where UKIP seem to be topping the polls. I would like you

to hear from our resident expert in all of this from Strathclyde, who

you will know well. John Curtis. This is his view. I think he might

want to blame the opinion polls, but they are telling us the SNP were

telling us they would get 3637. But they are doing no more than holding

their vote share. As a result of the SNP doing no more of holding their

vote share of 2009, 20 9%, short of the 45% they got in the Holyrood

election in 2011, UKIP looked like they are in with a chance. Tomorrow

morning, rather than saying his party has demonstrated it is

marching across Scotland, and Scotland is different from England,

that message is going to be much more tempered because the truth is,

it may be the case UKIP as a representative in Scotland as well

as in the rest of the UK. Yes, but there is a world of difference in

coming forth if UKIP manage that in Scotland and coming top of the poll

in England. There is a difference between a party seven years into

government, which looks like is going to win another national

election and parties in government in England, that cannot win a

European election. I hope we managed to freeze UKIP out of Scotland, but

appreciate there is a difference of a party getting under 10% of the

vote in Scotland and over 30% in England. I know you are teasing,

John, I know you don't mean it. You did win a large part of your

campaign on the basis of vote for the SNP so we get the third seat to

keep UKIP out. There is a question as to whether that campaign has

succeeded. Can I say how difficult it is to stop a party getting a

foothold. We have been doing an analysis of BBC broadcasting in

Scotland over this month. There have been four times as many road casts

about UKIP than the SNP. Star Trek used to have a phrase, been me up

Scotty. UKIP is a party that gets beamed into Scotland courtesy of the

BBC. The difference we are seeing north and south of the border is

very instructive. I hope we can get these last few votes out of the

remaining declaration in order to freeze UKIP bout of Scottish

politics. I don't want to spend the next few months and years arguing

over who are good Romanians and bad Romanians, which is regressive

politics and part of the baggage from the UKIP. All complaints to BBC

Glasgow, I think? Glasgow does not have much say in the matter, David.

That is one of the complaints. Noted. Let's get a declaration from

Leeds. Yorkshire and the Humber. Thanks very much to the counting

staff over 21 councils. I am the regional returning officer in the

Yorkshire and the Humber region, held on the 22nd of May 2014,

declare the number of votes for each party was as follows. An

Independence From Europe, 24,297, edition National party, 20,138,

Conservative Party 248 945. English Democrats, 13,288. Green Party,

102,282. Labour Party, 380,189. Liberal Democrats 180,108. No to EU

300,000. UK Independence party, UKIP, 403,000 630. Yorkshire first,

19,017. I declare the following candidates have been elected for the

Yorkshire and Humber electoral region. Jane Maria Collins, UK

Independence party, UKIP. Linda Maca van, Labour Party. Timothy Kirkhope,

Conservative Party. Amjad Bashir, UKIP. Richard Corbett, the Labour

Party. Mike Hook, UK Independence party, UKIP. I would just like to

invite one representative of each of the successful parties to say

something briefly to you. So, UKIP get the three seats out of the six

MEPs in Yorkshire. They hold three of the seats, up two on 2009. UKIP

up two, Labour up one and the Conservatives down one and Liberal

Democrats down one. Now we have a declaration from Poole, the

south-west region. You get a declaration of course from all of

the parties, some small ones who have a handful of votes but they do

them all before they do the allocation. The three Conservatives

in the south-west had won the broader democratic and two UKIP at

the last count. There were rumours the Lib might lose his seat. So that

was six in the south-west. some of the Liberal Democrats are saying

they might end up with none. If he loses here, it will be a sign they

are struggling to get any representation in the European

Parliament atoll. You would assume three Conservatives

would stay? In the count from Yorkshire a prominent Liberal

Democrat lost his seat, Edward McMillan Scott. Formerly a

Conservative MEP. He switched to the Liberal Democrats and lost his seat.

He was an important officeholder in the European Parliament as well.

Let's go back to Tim Farron briefly. Can you now hear us? Yes, I

think so. Iconic hear myself, so that is great. You can't hear

yourself think or speak? Before I could hear myself speaking more than

you, which was terrible. It looks possible you will have no MEPs. We

do not know the result in the south-west. It would be pretty

shattering if that happened. Yes, it would be that. We always suspected

this could be an outcome at this election. We have done everything we

can to make sure we get above nothing. Everything we have

attempted has been in that direction. But we made a right to

choice to do what we felt was right in this election. Over the last

quarter of a century the whole debate in Europe has become more

toxic when it comes to our relationship with the European

Union. UKIP have been doing better over recent years largely egged on

by a Tory party becoming increasingly hostile to Europe

themselves. Somebody had to have the backbone to stand up against UKIP

and that very learned anti-Europeanism and to take them

on. Nick Clegg did so and I am proud of him and what the Liberal

Democrats have achieved over this last campaign. We have taken the

unpopular side of the argument which is courageous and we have got a

result because of that. I have been a member of the party over the last

28 years and we never give up. What do you think of the Liberal Democrat

candidates in the general election who are calling Nick Clegg to stand

down because the method is not getting across? The problem is the

messenger, not the message. Not just the people who have lost their seats

tonight, but also people who lost their seats and fought in the local

elections on Thursday. I have enormous sympathy with those people.

I have lost previously and it is a miserable experience. There are lots

of people who find when they get on the doorstep there is the argument

that we should not have got into power and we should withdraw from

the coalition. Those arguments are brutal sometimes powerful, but in

the end we did the right thing four years ago. We knew when we entered

power in 2010... We have got a result coming in. The number of

votes cast is as follows: An Independence From Europe, 23,169.

British National Party, 10,910. Conservative Party, 430 3000, 151.

English Democrats, 15,081. Green Party, 166000 and 447. Labour Party,

200 and 124. Liberal Democrats, 160,000 376. United Kingdom

Independence party, 484,184. The total number of votes rejected was

4483. I hereby declared that the following candidates have been duly

elected for the south-west region which includes Gibraltar. William

Dartmouth, United Kingdom Independence party. Ashley Peter

Fox, Conservative Party. Julia Reed, United Kingdom Independence party.

Julie McCulloch Girling, Conservative Party. Claire Miranda

Moody, Labour Party. And number six, Molly Scott, the Green Party. I also

give notice I have prepared a statement setting out the

details... Very interesting from the south-west. Two UKIP seats. The

Green Party coming ahead of the Liberal Democrats in the popular

vote. A collapse of the Liberal Democrat vote in their own

stronghold in the south-west. Tim Farron talked about how proud he was

that Nick Clegg had spoken up about Europe and it has not worked. In

this region many Liberal Democrats in the outer regions in the fishing

and farming community they are quite sceptical about Europe. The last

thing they wanted was a leader saying, I am in favour of it. It is

worth looking at the vote, up 10% for UKIP. We are seeing this in

region after region. The largest rise has been quite large beyond

that in other regions. At the moment they are managing to do it all over

the country, whereas other parties are struggling. The Tories have lost

all representation in the North East. UKIP are performing all over

the country at the moment. It will be interesting to see what happens

in London. A dramatically different profile as in the local elections.

It is the last hope the Liberal Democrats have of holding onto a

member of the European Parliament. At the moment London is three

Conservatives, two labour, one Liberal Democrat, one UKIP and one

green. The way this is done the Green Party gets a share over the

country as a whole. They do not win many MEP seats because of the way we

count it by regions. They may have quite a significant percentage and

one higher than the Liberal Democrats as a whole. They have been

ahead of the Liberal Democrats before in 1989 when Paddy Ashdown

said he feared that new party would be wiped out. If you are a Lib Dem

you can say, we are being wiped out or you can say, we have been here

before and we recovered. And Paddy Ashdown he will be that election

coordinator in the next general election. One signal people will be

taking from this election is if you do as the Liberal Democrats do and

come out for Europe, the signal is you will lose votes. That is a

problem not just for them, but also the Labour Party, which is

pro-European. The Greens in the south-west do not want to pull out

of Europe. No, but the general lesson people will learn from this

is a pro-European campaign loses U-boats and that is a problem for

all the other parties and it will push them all further in the

Eurosceptic direction. How do you explain the Green Party beating you

in the south-west? It has a lot to do with what has just been said. The

Liberal Democrats took the position they did. Great Britain is drifting

towards the exit door from the European Union. That is a far

greater deal in terms of what it means for the future of Britain. We

did not decide to be much more clear and open about our position as an

electoral tactic. We did it because it is right because the future of

Britain outside the European Union is horrific. Our ability to tackle

climate change, peace and security across Europe. If somebody does not

have the backbone to stand up against the UKIP diatribe and the

nonsense you hear through the media that says Britain is better isolated

from the European Union, if somebody does not do that, we are going to

drift out. The Liberals have proudly stood up. It has cost us votes, but

I want to do the right thing even more than win an election. The

Fishguard leisure Centre is where the Welsh vote has been counted.

Being the regional returning officer for Wales, on the 22nd of May, 2014,

do hereby give notice that the total number of votes recorded for each

registered party is as follows: Britain first, 6633. British

National Party, 7655. Conservative Party, 127,000 742. Green Party,

33,275. Labour Party, 206,332. Liberal Democrats, 28,930. NO2EU,

2803. Plaid Cymru, 111,864. Socialist Labour Party, 4459. The

Socialist Party of Great Britain, 1384. UK Independence Party, 201,000

983. I do hereby declare that the fundamental and I duly elected as

the cuatro members of the said electoral region. Derek Fawn,

Labour. Nathan Lee Gill, UK Independence Party. Case when Byrne,

Conservative Party. Joel Evans, Plaid Cymru. -- K Swinburn.

No change in the seats, but this is the change in the vote in Wales.

Emily, your map of Britain, England, Wales and Scotland, is gradually

showing us what is happening. I have taken you into Wales and there is no

change in the seats. When you get the numbers you get the mathematics

of the MEPs. But if you look at this, it shows as who has the

highest share of the vote in any one Local Place. This is the border with

England and it is now UKIP. Labour have retained their stronghold in

the south and Plaid Cymru have retained their stronghold in the

Welsh speaking part of Wales. This is 2009. This is what has happened

now. This is also the South West, quite a similar picture. That

parable has created an incursion from the south-west. This is what it

looked like before. If I update that, you can see how much of this

has got UKIP in first place as a share of the vote and the Lib Dems

completely off the map. The Tories were first in Wales five years ago

now they are down in third. It will be relief to them they are top in

Wales once again. Let's speak to city can't, the Shadow Justice

Secretary and BMP for tooting. You will be hearing these results coming

in, Labour is not doing that well. -- the MP. What is important is to

see how we progress, bearing in mind how bad we did in 2009. Even with

Tony Blair as a leader we lost these. We came third. It is

important to see us making progress but also important to see where we

can make progress as well. Do you think you will be ahead of the

Conservatives by the end of the night? I am not sure, but it is

important we make progress and vote seems to be going up a seven, eight

9%. It is important to see which parts of the country that is going

up. We have a number of seats are targeting other general election. If

we can make the same progress in the European elections as we did in the

local elections, it will be hopeful the next year. It would be

disconcerting if you did come behind the Conservatives. We will have to

wait for the results. We have had lots results and you are not doing

very well so far. If you look at the polls over the last few, UKIP have

been top of the polls so everything is as the pollsters predict it. We

have to look what will happen with the rest of the seats, including

London. We did remarkably well, but not that you would know it because

of the national media coverage. Everybody is complaining about their

media coverage. Everyone is complaining, David. UKIP is not

complaining. You said you were too quick to dismiss concerns about

immigration. You have seen the power and passion about immigration that

seized France with the Front Nationa, primarily about immigration

and about the disintegration of the French economy, what is it Labour

would offer on immigration it could offer while remaining in the EU? Are

you fooling people you can do something about it? I am the son of

immigrants. Immigration has been of social and economic benefit to the

country. The leader of my party is a son of immigrants. If you look at

some of the consequences of the pace of migration from the EU. Because we

did not have transitional arrangements for the seven

countries, there was a consequence in the race to the bottom. Some

employers in this country were not playing -- paying the minimum

national wage. And also not paying the right salaries to those who work

for them. We need to tackle the consequences. Because we haven't got

enough houses being built, there is a housing crisis in and around

London and the south. It is not because of immigration, it is

because enough houses are not being built. You cannot call anybody who

talks about immigration a racist. Londoners want a solution to their

concerns. We need to address the rental crisis. A policy to increase

the minimum wage and policies to address what this government has

done to our National Health Service. It is not pandering to racists or

accepting that all immigration is wrong, it is not. Thanks for joining

us. Emily, can we look at the West Midlands before I speak to Liam Fox.

We haven't got a result from there yet. This is our current forecast,

our prediction of what will happen to the allocation of MEPs based on

the data we are going through. We predict UKIP will have three MEPs,

Labour will have two, the Conservatives will have two. There

was a prediction the Lib Dems will lose their seats. You will see this

one figure there because it is a close race in the votes to be

counted between the last seat for UKIP and labour. We think there is

less than one points between those two. It may turn out Labour has

three and UKIP. But on what we have got so far, this is our prediction

for the West Midlands. got so far, this is our prediction

for the West We are joined by Liam Fox. You have heard what David Davis

said about how the Conservatives should response to the challenge

from UKIP and the success of UKIP, by bringing forward this referendum

a year and showing themselves more committed to it. Is that what you

would like to see happen? I did not hear that, so it is news to me. I

don't think it is a plausible position at this time. We have to

pass legislation in the House of Commons to have a referendum. It is

clear the Labour Party and Lib Dems would not allow us to do that. I

don't think it is a realistic starter no matter how much people

would like to see it. It is not just in the UK, but across Europe, we are

seeing the citizens of Europe feel they are not being well served by

the priorities of the European Union. They feel it is run by a

bunch of Eurocrats who are overpaid with a bloated bureaucracy and over

-- out of touch. I agree with that. We need to recognise the public in

this country are very sophisticated, they know within a European election

they can cast a vote without affecting what is happening in the

UK Government. Parties that have been Eurosceptic have been doing

well in this election and the Lib Dems are being wiped out because

they said they want to stand up and be the pro-European party. It is out

of step with what voters in Britain once and it is out of step with what

voters across Europe once. Would you vote out the conditions the Prime

Minister has promised, if the conditions were not satisfactory?

Are you out or in? I would like to go back to a relationship like the,

market we joined. I would like to see more of the dynamic put forward.

If the choice was put forward to a closer union and leaving, then I

would choose to leave. But I think the Prime Minister is right, we have

to try to get a different relationship. There is a difference

between Britain and most of the other European countries. We have a

mainstream Eurosceptic party that could form a government. Unless the

Conservatives form the next government there won't be a

referendum on the European Union. Thank you very much. Nigel Farage is

down at Southampton waiting for the results. That is where he is top of

the list for UKIP and is certain to be top of the list anywhere, I

suspect. Drinking what looks like a cup of tea rather than the usual

pint. Talking to his press officer. We are joined by the Foreign

Secretary, William Hague. Thanks for talking to us. Why is it the

electorate are not convinced or persuaded by the offer that David

Cameron has made to renegotiate and have a referendum on Europe, so much

so they are voting tonight not for the Conservatives but will UKIP in

droves? I think there is a deep disillusionment and this

satisfaction, not in this country but across Europe. Exactly what Liam

Fox was speaking about. I do know in the European elections, as UKIP put

it to them, they can have a free vote that does not have the

consequence of bringing the wrong government in in this country. So it

is different from a general election. We will respond by making

it clear we can fix the relationship between Britain and Europe and

deliver real change, give people a real say in a referendum. Only the

Conservative Party can do that. That is what we have to make clear from

now until the next general election. You have been saying that but it is

not convincing people otherwise they would not have gone for Nigel

Farage? People are capable of voting different ways in different

elections. We have seen this in the last few days. Local election

results are different from European election results. People use

different results to deliver different messages. There is a

message across Europe of disillusionment and Europe has two

hear that loud and clear. As to how people vote in a general election,

that will be determined over the next year but in this election, it

is only the Conservative Party who can give Britain a referendum on

Europe. UKIP would not be able to do so. It is only David Cameron and the

Conservatives who could do that and we are committed to an in out

referendum where people can make their decision. If you say people

vote differently and send messages by voting UKIP rather than endorsing

the Conservative position, which you have explained three times now, how

do you account for the rise of the Front Nationa in France? Are you

disconcerted by that, concerned by that or would you say it is people

just sending a message? It is different in every European country.

Of course, common across many European countries is the

dissatisfaction with how the EU is operated, the lack of democratic

accountability, particularly to national parliaments. But there are

also major differences from one country to another. In France, the

position of the National front has been entirely different from any

extreme right groups in Britain, different again from Germany. So we

will see particular character domestics of the politics of each

country. As we know in France, there is also serious disillusionment with

politics and government as well as with EUD. But we have to leave it to

the French politicians to analyse what is happening in their country.

Do you see it as the rise of a racist party in Europe? In that

particular case, yes. We should be concerned about some of these

developments across the rest of Europe. That is why it is so

important next European Commission that the European Council, the next

European Parliament do get a message there is rising discontent and

tensions of many kinds in Europe. That requires a European Union that

is more flexible, more competitive, that is lest centralised, and is

Morimoto -- less remote and more accountable. That is in the

interests of all of Europe and not just the UK. That is the agenda we

will be pushing. Foreign Secretary, thank you very much. Jeremy. Let's

pick up and what William Hague was saying and protests against the EU

itself, if you like. We have these results so far. This is what we are

seeing in terms of voting. If we defy Eurosceptic and look for it on

these circles, we can see the change in the Eurosceptic portion of the

vote since 2009. We are including Conservatives, members of the

European People's Party. If you are Eurosceptic you come up here as a

purple stripe. 2009, have a look. This is the Eurosceptic vote five

years ago. The lower half of the circle. In France, 2009, I will go

forward five years. Look at that increase. It is not the same in

every country. Go back to 2009 again. Look at Croatia. It is the

most recent entrants to the EU. Look at what happens if we move on five

years. It actually gets smaller. It is one of the things we have

noticed, Bulgaria, Romania and so on, the newer members have less

Euroscepticism going on. But the thrust of this election so far is an

increase in Euroscepticism of 7% if you look across the voting. That

will have an impact in the European Parliament. Let's go inside the

chamber and see the results from 2009. The European People's Party

with 275 -- 265 MEPs. Then you have the FT which includes UKIP and the

others. Quite a bit of fragmentation on the right. PPP, centre-right is

still the main grouping. As a result of the elections today, this is what

we are looking at. UKIP have said there is no way they would go into

an alliance with the Front Nationa, but they will want to try and form

one. At the moment this group is splintering a bit and we have to

wait to see if it will remain as big a gripping as the Socialists. The

impact of that will be shown in the choice of the next European

Commission president. Do you want to comment? On the rise of the

Eurosceptic parties. But we are also seeing a rise on the left in Spain

where it looks like the established parties, the centre-left and the

centre-right, have taken a real pounding. The challenge has not come

from the far right, but the far left. We have to distinguish very

carefully between Eurosceptic parties because some of the parties

on the continent are quite unlike those that we have here. UKIP will

not sit with the Front Nationa in the European Parliament, but the

Front Nationa will not sit with the Golden Dawn which Marine Le Pen said

after a filthy image. We have got to be very careful in what we talk

about is Euroscepticism in this still wishing between legitimate

democratic parties offering a clear, political choice and some parties on

the continent which are quite different from anything we are used

in this country, fortunately. It is interesting to hear what Nigel

Farage says about this. Good evening. We saw you having a cup of

tea, a Tony Benn moment, a moment ago. You may not have just heard. I

did here. It is interesting. The parties of the right are saying they

will not join up with each other. Front Nationa will not go with

Golden Dawn. Everybody on that Eurosceptic side will be fighting

each other. Your question says scepticism is all on the right of

politics, but that is not true at all. There will be Eurosceptics

elected on the left like Syriza in Greece. It is very sceptical of the

package Greece has signed up to. In the first time I was there in the

first five years I sat with socialist parties. I would have

thought that UKIP sitting with the French National front was never

going to happen and it is never going to happen. What happens when

the new parliament forms? How do you see UKIP using its influence in that

parliament? We must not con ourselves that the European

Parliament has got too much influence. It cannot even decide to

stop the circus between Brussels and Strasbourg. We will bode against a

lot of the proposed legislation. The real impact of tonight is the big

Eurosceptic gains we have seen will have a bigger impact on the politics

of the member states and I think it will have inside the chamber in

Strasbourg. What impact will it have on the politics of Great Britain? We

may well see one party leader forced out of his position. We may see

another party leader have to completely reconsider the idea they

will not promise a referendum at the next election. The Prime Minister

will face calls from within his own party for a much tougher negotiating

stance. The impact on those three is pretty clear. From the UKIP

perspective we take the results tonight and we add to them where we

had successes in the council elections on Thursday. We are

winning clusters of District Council seats in the same places we

succeeded last year in the County Council elections. Our target has

become a lot clearer for next year. But the political problem for you is

you have no real influence at the European level. They are not going

to take any notice of you kept coming back, even if you double the

number of MEPs. In Britain because of first past the post you may pick

up new work in the by-election, five seats in Westminster, but you are

left saying Nick Clegg is going to be forced to resign, Ed Miliband

will have to change his policy and offer a referendum and pigs might

fly! That is fine. If Ed Miliband does not change his position on a

referendum, that will be very good news for UKIP. One of the things

that has been clear tonight is how well we have done in many of the

Labour heartlands. Though is to say in a year plus night-time what UKIP

can or cannot achieve in a general election, but it is not completely

beyond the bounds of possibility we can get enough MPs next year to hold

the balance of power in what is likely to be another hung

parliament. How many do you think you might get? I have not thought

about that yet, Nick. But I will do. We go on surprising people. I am

delighted with the weight this campaign has gone and I am pleased

with the result and the people's army of UKIP marches on. Last year

you talked almost like a pressure group, this year you are talking

about being a powerful force in politics. Do you wake up in the

morning and surprise yourself and say, how did I get here? If you said

to me a few years ago this was achievable I might have been

sceptical about it. But I have always tried for it. I think

anything is possible after tonight's result. Nigel Farage,

thank you. It is worth pausing to ponder, if we ask whether they might

get three or four or five members of Parliament, a year ago the question

was absurd. In the County Council elections nobody thought they would

win seats in Westminster. They may well not. As happened in the past

after European elections, with the BNP and the Greens, this may

dissipate. But it is fascinating about having a conversation about

whether he will have the balance of power in Westminster. He has rather

surprised himself. It is possible they could pick up a few seats in a

general election and in a fragmented parliament if the Liberal Democrats

collapse or decline, the Government would be dependent on a small party

like UKIP or a Nationalist party to get a majority. That is a perfectly

possible outcome of the next election. Like 1974 you had two

large parties and a number of small ones and parliament became

unmanageable. They will need areas of the country where there is a

three party split. Although they are doing well, there is a ceiling on

UKIP support. The people who do not like them really do not like them.

To win on a first past the post system, different from tonight which

is proportional representation, they depend on three party splits and

just getting over the threshold to win a seat. Let's have a look at

some of them are's headlines. The first editions of the newspapers.

This is the Daily Mail. That is one way of looking at it.

You may wonder why we have heard nothing about London. All the other

parts of Britain, all the other regions in the European Parliament

vote have been releasing results. But the returning officer of London

has refused to allow any information to come through until it has all

come through. We will get one London results suddenly, which is why Emily

has been able to escape and end up on the other side of the studio with

her guests to talk about the impact of what we have heard so far.

I have got Andrew from the Observer and Isabel from the Spectator. A lot

of focus and headlines has been on UKIP. But what about the other

parties and how have they feared away from the headlines? Let's go

from the top to the bottom to the Liberal Democrats. Since they joined

the coalition they have had a lot of miserable election night, but this

must beat the record. We have still got London and the South East, so

the maximum total they could end up with is two. Possibly looking at a

total wipe-out. They are coming behind the Green Party. You do not

have to be a masochist to be a Liberal Democrat, but it must help

at the moment. It must help tonight. They have shown astonishing

resilience and I guess Nick Clegg is praying that will carry on. It made

a big point of being pro-Europe in these elections. It is difficult for

Nick Clegg because he made it his personal mission to set the Lib Dems

as the party of being in and he set himself up with the debates. He did

not take a back-seat, so this puts him on the line in a dangerous way.

In previous elections Europe was the love that dare not speak its name

for them and they talked about potholes or bus shelters or anything

not about Europe. He took this big gamble and said, we are going to

come out and say we are the pro-European party and it has not

worked. Some Lib Dems are tweeting they have replaced the hardest

working MEPs in Europe with the least hard-working, the people who

resent the whole setup. This is the .1 of the Tory MEPs

said. This is a message to the Euro elite that it takes voters to elect

these sort of parties before they take note. I guess we should save

the Green Party is doing pretty well. I can remember when they did

very well and then they fizzled out in European elections. There is a

body of the electorate who do not want to vote UKIP, but they do not

like the mainstream Westminster parties either and those people

joining others who have a reason to support the Greens, I give it a

boost to the Greens. They are a niche protest party. A boutique

protest party. They talk about fracking and other things. It is

still a protest. Are we thinking UKIP has got first place? There is

not much doubt. It has not been so far the worst night for the

Conservatives. Comparing it with previous elections is difficult, but

their share has not fallen that much. They had factored in a

dreadful performance in these elections for months. They were

telling everyone it would be a dreadful night. As long as they do

not do so terribly and come below the Greens, that is a good thing for

David Cameron because it will keep a lid on mayhem in his party. The

Conservatives coming third has not happened to them for many decades.

It is still not a great night for the Tories. We will be back.

Never the Tories have come third since they began. It would be a

sensational result for them. Jammy, can you show us what is going on? We

can show you a map of the UK and it will take your breath away. If I'd

just give you the 12 regions including northern Ireland.

Els last town we coloured this in, we had a lot of blue and Labour red

in the North East. Labour in Wales this time, Conservatives were blue

in Wales. Labour had a horrible time in 2009. They are advancing. But

look at UKIP. Let's break it down by Council area so we can just see what

areas the UKIP vote is strongest in. Other parties as well. We are

feeding the votes through individual areas. A lot of blue here in the

centre of England but also a lot of UKIP purple that wasn't there

before. This is the bit that is quite striking. If we flash in

places where the party that is in first place was not in place --

first place first time, we see an enormous amount of flashing purple

where UKIP have gone into first place for the first time. Most of

the major organs of the country are flashing this purple. It is very

dramatic this result to see them going into first place in so many

areas and pick up the regions as well. This is a way of trying to

gauge graphically for you, the level of support for particular parties.

If you look at this whole map of the country, you see purple which is the

UKIP vote in 2009. You can see the depth and the richness of the purple

is the strength of the vote. In areas where it is lighter, it is the

UKIP votes that were not too strong. That is 2009. Now we move five years

forward. The colour is getting richer because UKIP's vote is

increasing almost everywhere. When you saw it change it wasn't just the

classic areas of the south of the south-west, it was up in the North

as well. The Liberal Democrats, their performance has been described

as abject. This is the Lib Dems in 2009. Where it is yellow it is a

strong lead them vote. Lighter yellow, not so strong. Now move

forward, and this is how bad it is for the Liberal Democrats. Yellow is

fading almost everywhere. Pockets of it and blotches of it, but lots of

places where they have been wiped away. We heard about the South West

earlier. No Lib MEP is there. Their last one was kicked out tonight. The

south-west is yellow in 2009. Now what happens when I move it forward

five years to today? Look at that! It has lost the richness in all

parts of the south-west. The Lib Dems are being hammered. It is that

UKIP purple appearing in so many new places, David. Let's join two of

these Liberal Democrats who have lost their seats. We have a

declaration, if you can hold on shortly we will come to you. We are

told we have a declaration from Manchester in the north-west. Eight

MEPs. The Conservative Party 351,985. The English Democrats,

19,522. The Green Party, 123,075. The Labour Party, 594,000... And 63.

The Liberal Democrats, 105,487. No to EU, 5402. Pirate party UK, 8597.

The Socialist equality party, 5067. The UK Independence Party, UKIP,

481,932. Therefore, the four names and other particulars of the

candidates who have filled all been allocated a seat and who are

therefore elected are as follows: To Reza Mary Griffin, commonly known as

to Reza Griffin, the Labour Party. Number two, Paul Andrew not all, UK

Independence Party UKIP. -- Paul not all. Number three, Jacqueline

Foster, the Conservative Party. Number four, Mohammed Avenue self

car on, the Labour Party. Number five, Louis bores, the UKIP.

Number six, Julie Ward, the Labour Party. Number seven, Sergio Karim,

the Conservative Party. Number eight, Stephen Wolf, UKIP. Thank

you. Three Labour MEPs, three UKIP. Two Conservatives. Labour is up one,

UKIP up two, Conservatives down one, Liberal Democrats lose their seat

and the BNP lose their seat. Can a racist, fascist party claim to

represent the communities of the north-west in the European

Parliament? On Thursday, voters of the north-west sends a clear message

that they want Labour led by Ed Miliband representing them in the

local elections and Europe. Across the North West, thousands of Labour

activists have campaigned on the issues that really matter. Jobs and

growth. Social protection and employment rights. Protect think our

most vulnerable citizens. Defending our public services and the NHS, our

most precious... With Labour's increase of 13%, UKIP up 27% and a

wipe-out for the BNP. Let's join as we were about to, two defeated

Liberal MEPs. Graham Watson from the south-west on the right and Edward

McMillan-Scott, from the Yorkshire and Humber on the left. We can see

both of you together, Edward McMillan-Scott, can I start with

you? It does sound first of all, the Lib Dems will face a complete

wipe-out at the moment in the European Parliament. I wonder

whether this is to do with the Coalition Government and the

entrance of liberals into the coalition or because of a strong

anti-European feeling in Britain? Did you hear me? Did you hear me,

Graham Watson? Yes, I heard you. I think clearly we have suffered from

being in government. We have seen a classic mid-term protest votes, but

this time not from one of the established parties it was from a

new,. We have had to make difficult and unpopular decisions at a time we

were coming out of a deep recession and that has had an impact. But

there is also the fact we have seen an anti-European vote in this

country, just as we have seen in France with the National front, in

Italy with the 5-star movement and elsewhere. The combination of those

two factors has hit us hard. I don't think we will be completely wiped

out but we are down to a maximum of two seats. You are not on the side

of history in view of the people of written and their judgement of the

European Union? I think anti-European feeling in this

country has not been as strong as it is since before the Napoleonic wars.

We are seeing a new age. I think the people of this country are capable

of the generous, outward looking tolerance approach we have known at

other parts of our history. No doubt we will be back there and I have no

doubt the Liberal Democrats will be back playing a part in that. You

believe in the position you have taken, but is it the fact you are in

coalition with the Conservatives people are disaffected by, which is

a different issue about your views on Europe which are diametrically

opposed to the Conservatives? In the south-west, the Conservatives lost

the seat, we lost the seat, UKIP gained a seat sorry, Labour gained a

seat and the Green party gained a seat. We are seeing an

anti-government vote being reflected in these elections. It was reflected

in the council elections last week, on Thursday night and is being

reflected here. What do you think the Liberal Democrats should do in

response to this? The humiliation of defeat always teaches you more than

the vanity of victory. We will have to look at how we are trying to

communicate a message and the kind of messages we are putting across. I

don't think this is in any way unsurprising or the party at a

very, very difficult time as Britain emerges from a long and deep

recession. Edward McMillan-Scott, I think you can now hear us. Can you

give me a thumbs up if you can hear me? Is this a vote against Liberal

Democrats and enthusiasm for Europe in a country that is turning against

the European, the whole European experiments? Or is it to do with you

being in government with the Conservatives and they don't like

that? I think it is too early to say. The election has been an odd

one. I felt from the beginning things were not going well. Nick leg

was right to challenge Nigel Farage over Europe and the two debate that

took pace, the public thought Nigel Farage had one. The pundits thought

Nick Clegg had one. It is important to start the debate in the run-up to

the general election and I am proud to stand for a party that in itself

stands for Europe. Nigel Farage was talking about the Strasberg issue,

but it was me who led the campaign to get out of Strasberg without any

help from UKIP. We got rid of the most hard-working MEPs, Liberal

Democrats and replace them with people who will not do as much for

the United Kingdom. I regard that as a great pity but the public are

beginning to realise Europe matters. It has come too late for us in this

election but I wish the debate had begun earlier. Between those who

want to stay in Europe and those who want out. The irony of this evening

is the two anti-European parties, the UKIP party and the Green Party

have done rather better. You have been at the European Parliament a

long time, first as a conservative and then as a Liberal Democrat. On a

personal level, what are you going to do now? I am not going to fade

away. I have been in politics and long time and four years ago I left

the Tories when they became too sceptical. I have found in the

Liberal Democrats, a party of conviction. Many convictions I share

will stop it is not something the Tories are very interested in. It is

a vital element of the European Union's projection abroad and that

is why Liberal Democrats find it Europe a more congenial place than

conservatives. Thank you very much indeed, going straight to Birmingham

for the West Midlands results. I have the notice of result.

I, Mark Rogers, the returning officer in the West Midlands

region, on the 21st of May, 2014, hereby declare the number of votes

cast for each party is as follows: An Independence From Europe, 27,171.

British National Party, 20,643. Conservative Party, 330,470. English

Democrats, 12,832. The Green Party, 71,464. The Harmony Party, 1857. The

Labour Party, 363,033. Liberal Democrats, 75,648. NO2EU, 4653. UK

Independence Party, 428,010. We demand a referendum now, 23,426. The

total rejected ballots were 8478. I therefore declare that the following

candidates have been duly elected for the West Midlands region. The

first seat goes to jewel Seymour, UKIP. The second seat goes to Neena

Gill, Labour Party. The third seat goes to Philip Brad born,

Conservative Party. The fourth seed goes to Jim Carver, UK Independence

Party. The fifth seat goes to Shyam Simon, Labour Party, the sixth seat

goes to Anthea McIntyre, Conservative Party. The seven seat

goes to Bill Etheridge, UK Independence Party. There are

remaining candidates of the party list who were not elected, but I do

not intend to go through those. The number of votes which each

successful party had was as follows: Emily, what can you now tell us,

because you are constantly changing this picture of Britain? We have had

338 of the local authorities. This is the scoreboard for Great Britain.

The Conservatives are not doing badly on 24%. They were at the top

the last time round. Labour are making gains. Will that be

substantial enough? The Greens are coming in at fourth place, just down

fractionally. The Lib Dems have been hammered in terms of their share of

the vote across the UK. We have a prediction for Scotland. We have not

yet had the declaration for this country. This is our prediction of

how things will turn out when they make their declaration. Labour, two

MEPs. The SNP, two MEPs, the conservative on one and the first

UKIP MEP in Scotland. We understand it was very close between a third

SNP MEP and this UKIP figure. There is a chance they may swap over, but

based on the number of votes counted so far, that is our picture of

Scotland. Let's look at how the country has voted and forget

proportional representation and do it in terms of parties. What is it

between Conservatives and Labour? It is almost neck and neck. You heard

Sadiq Khan make the point that London changed a lot, but we have

not got that London result yet. It is pretty striking that Labour and

the Tories are neck and neck. We are talking about an unpopular party one

year from an election, UKIP on the rise and the assumption they will

take votes from the Conservatives, and yet Labour and the Tories are

basically neck and neck. The gains are greater for Labour but that is

because we are comparing it to 2009 with the expenses scandal, Gordon

Brown as the Prime Minister, a revolt in the Cabinet, so gains for

Labour is no surprise, but it is pretty striking that they cannot

confidently at this stage be sure of second place. Even if they get it,

there will be people in the Labour Party who are worried saying, we are

struggling to beat the Tories at this stage? How is that happening?

Is that because the Tories are offering a referendum? UKIP minors,

so to speak? It is always how people understand what the vote is. Plenty

of people will be saying it is just the European elections. Parties of

the left never do well in European elections. It was not since Margaret

Beckett was acting leader of the Labour Party in 1994 that they have

done well when Labour was about to come to office in that landslide.

Some will dismiss it and say it is just a European election, focus on

the locals and the marginal opinion polls, it is OK. Others will say,

this was a national vote and we cannot come first and we are not

even that certain of coming second one year from Ed Miliband wanting to

be Prime Minister. That could be a worry. Peter. It is worth looking at

it in terms of Government and opposition. Five years ago Labour

was in Government and got 16% of the vote. Today the Conservatives have

got 24%. So they are up. The Conservatives were in opposition

five years ago and they got 28%. Labour have got 24%. That if nothing

else should terrify Labour. Do you have any explanation of why it

should be? It is all very well to look at the statistics, but that is

easy. But you interpret this as well? There are two things Labour

has failed to do under Ed Miliband's leadership. Firstly to

establish Ed Miliband is a plausible Prime Minister. He is a long way

behind David Cameron when people are asked. When they say or do you trust

more? The Conservatives are well ahead. In the past there have been

parties who have won a general election being behind on the leader

or being behind on the economy. I know no election where a party has

won when they are behind on both the leadership and the economy. Do you

think it is this promise of a referendum that is just bringing

enough people to the Conservative Party? There is a massive

Eurosceptic view out there which UKIP represents. The Conservative

voters are less enthusiastic about this. Europe is not in the forefront

of people's minds. Those who are passionate for a referendum want

Britain to come out of the EU entirely. They are going for UKIP. I

think the Conservatives, the economy is explaining it. If it had been an

election a year ago, the Conservatives would have done

worse. Does the economy explain it right across Europe? That is the

point I was going to raise. In the opinion polls the Conservative

performance has not matched that much so far with the improving

economic situation. One of the questions is if the economy

continues to improve, how much will that turn into additional votes? I

will come back, we have just got a declaration coming through from

Southampton. Conservatives, 720 3000, 571. Green Party, 211,706. The

Harmony Party, 1904. Labour Party, 342,775. Liberal Democrats, 197,876.

Liberty Great Britain, 2494. The Peace Party, 10,130. The Roman

Party, 2997. The Socialist Party of Great Britain, 5454 Russell. UK

Independence Party, 750,000, 439. YOURvoice, 2932. The total votes

with 3 million, 248,000 and eight turnout of 36.46%. The consequence

of that is the seats are allocated as follows. The first seat goes to

the UK Independence Party, Mr Nigel Farage. The second seat goes to the

Conservative Party, Mr Dan Hammond. The third seat goes to the UK

Independence Party, Janice Atkinson. The fourth seat goes to the

Conservative Party. The fifth seat goes to the Labour Party, Anneliese

Dodds. The six seat goes to the UK Independence Party, Diane James. The

seven seat goes to the Conservative Party, Richard James Ashworth. The

eighth seat goes to the Green Party, Keith Taylor. The night seat

goes to the Liberal Democrats. Dashed ninth. The 10th seat goes to

the UK Independence Party. The remaining candidates have not been

elected... We will hear from Nigel Farage in a moment. That is the

first Liberal Democrat seat held and it is held by just 16 votes. It is

very close, it is about 7000. They crept in. Very close. We have had

three parties in British politics that led us into, market, developed

into a political union, who have twisted and turned with promises to

give us a referendum, that they have never capped. The penny has dropped,

as members of this union we can't run our own country and crucially we

cannot control our own borders. Far from this being something that is,

find two people on the centre-right politics, that commentators would

like to believe, in the north we have bitten very hard into the

Labour vote. We almost topped the poll in Wales. We will make a

breakthrough in Scotland and we are genuinely a UK Independence Party.

We will go from here to Newark and we will go on next year to the

general election with a targeting strategy. I promise you this, you

haven't heard the last of us. Thank you very much. Nigel Farage, leader

of UKIP who are on 22 MEPs at the moment, up ten from five years ago.

Standing for election these days is an unpopular pursuit. People are

very cynical, but the alternatives to elect give politics, is anarchy

and disorder. This is Daniel Hammond, the Conservative MEP. This

election has been clean and fair. It is the most natural thing in the

world. The rest of Europe, we have had some strange results. Although I

am glad to say we saw the back of the BNP in this country, there have

been extreme and anti-democratic parties are elected across the

Channel. That is a consequence of taking power away from local people

and concentrating it in the hands of a remote elite. A project that was

supposed to make is get on better has ended up stoking national

animosities not seen for half a century. In Britain, as we see in

this results, a clear majority for independence. Wanting to leave

behind this dwindling customs union and rejoined the wider world. The

question is, how to translate that majority into policy? It would be

tragic if the clear will of the British people through a split vote

on the first past the post system were to result in candidates who are

not in favour of a wraparound, in favour of the European project,

winning on a small minority of the vote. One last thing, the European,

conservative lost tonight, it's leader, Martin Callanan. By the

smallest votes in the North of England. That is Southampton getting

the results for the whole of the south-east. Let's get back, Andrew I

interrupted you. We were talking briefly about the effect of the

estate of economies on these results, on the individual economies

throughout Europe? Economic disenchantment has been a factor.

Different places such as France and Ireland and Greece where austerity

has been an important issue, there are other places where the position

of the euro and ways the travails it is associated with it. In other

places, such as the UK, because it is narrowly about constitutional and

other issues that UKIP talks about. On the other hand, its appeal is to

a broader sense of anti-politics. It is a disenchantment with politics

rather than a disenchantment with the economic policies the is

delivering. What do you think the effect of these elections will be on

the European project? Very little. We have talked about parties to the

left and parties to the right. Pro-European parties of the sensor

will win the overwhelming majority of seats in the parliament. They

will go on with the European project pretty much as it is. I would not

expect them to be diverted a little bit to the left or a bit to the

right. On the last point, how the mainstream parties are going to

react. They have shrunk, mainly the centre-right, but also the

centre-left across Europe. There is an interesting quote from Martin

Schultz, the top candidate for the Socialists, seeming as though he

really cares saying, I think pro-European parties in the European

Parliament, have to take very seriously what is behind the vote.

There has been a loss of trust in the mainstream, pro-European centre.

It is not just in the UK that parties on the mainstream left and

on the mainstream right, are nervous. It is in Europe. On the

economy, we have results from 24 countries. What we can see is it is

in the countries that have shrunk since 2009 where we have seen a loss

of votes will stop ten percentage points down from the last general

election in countries where there has been an economic boom, we can

see they have been stable. The economy does seem to matter across

Europe. Jeremy, we can look at that? Nothing like real votes to

substitute for opinion polls to bring politicians up short. This is

the truth of what people are saying? We can start to look at the economic

effect. Let's bring on some of these countries growth figures. We will

measure them against the results. Spain, in 2013 the economy is still

contracting. If we go down to the southeastern corner of Europe,

Greece, we know has been badly affect it, more than any other

country. 3.9 contraction just last year. Look at this, Cyprus, they had

the banking and mining crisis. You can see the situation in the

economy. You can also see, if you come this way with me, the Baltic

states doing better. As you are discussing, we have different

situations. Moving back here. Growth in 2013 in Estonia and Latvia and

Lithuania. Very much so in Latvia, 4.1%. Has this shown up in the

voting for the European Parliament? Are the result is different because

there is so much influence because of the economy? This is a share of

the vote from 2009. Move it forward, you get a bit of an

indication. This is Spain. Ring on the Spanish results from the last

few hours and see what they tell us. Here, the main two parties in

Spain, the People's party and the Socialists, are being thumped.

Terrible situation with their economy, high unemployment, almost

50% unemployment among young people. Both the People's party and the

Socialists down 16%. The coalition, 6% roughly having been there

before. The traditional parties in Spain being very badly hurt. Not the

case if we picked the Baltic states. Let's go for Estonia. The economy

grew last year. And being newish entrance to the EU, they tend to be

more positive. The government in Estonia is Reform and the social

Democrats. They are up 5%. What is happening here is where the economy

is not actually squeezing the population, they seemed to be voting

for the status quo, the traditional parties. But in Spain and some of

these other countries, Greece, and Cyprus, it is the main parties

getting hurt. Jeremy, thanks very much. But just to remind you if you

are watching us with a computer or smartphone, you can follow the

results online. You can also read how the proportional representation

system works. And also you can follow us at BBC politics. We will

get you onto Twitter, by the end of the night we will get you there. I

love Twitter. I don't treat myself, but I read. You are on it, I have

seen you on it. My son writes it for me, mainly to say I am following

Tranmere Rovers. You were saying the mood in the parliament would

change, Patrick Hannan and Nigel Farage, the naughty boys before,

would change? I don't go to the trouser Burke parliament that often.

-- Strasberg. Patrick Hannan and Nigel Farage are the bad boys, yes.

They take on the people who were nominated for the top European jobs.

Now they will find themselves in a sea of bad boys and girls. Suddenly

there will be parties from right across Europe full of people whose

politics is based on anger, rudeness, willingness to speak to

the European forces. It will change the European force. The big two

blocks, the centre-right and the centre-left may not listen. It could

be they cooperate against the extremes, as they will describe

them. It means the notion of going before the European Parliament,

which was always a doddle if you were the European Commission

president, but I suspect if you are a Eurocrat, you will need a stiff

brandy. You say the central parties will react in that way and just

carry on, but they will have seen what has happened and be under

pressure not to just carry on? You may see a stretch between what

people feel they need to do to have influence in Strasbourg where they

need to make alliances across countries and their own domestic

leaders who are saying, we need to reassure our electorates we are more

sceptical. I think Nick Robinson is right. He will be listening? There

will be worried about elections coming up. But what we will see in

the European Parliament is more far right and a new group, but what we

have seen in the past these groups don't vote together. They might

share views on Europe and views on anti-immigration, but they don't

vote together and turn up less and do less committee work than the

mainstream parties. So the day-to-day policy might not be that

different. But what may be worth watching is what is happening around

Europe in the capitals when they take time to die just these results.

Do you agree with that? By and large. But many European leaders

will be thinking it is a high watermark of economically driven

anger. They will be hoping from here the European economies will start to

pick up and some of that will fade away, as it has sometimes faded away

in the past. Many European leaders have learned a key set of lessons

from the eurozone crisis about the absolute necessity in order for the

Eurozone crisis not to be repeated, of moving towards much greater

political integration, fisted all -- Crystal integration, which will

drive the eurozone together and they will not feel they can afford to

deviate on Project at all. Lets see where we stand. Coming up to 1am. We

have had nine of the 11 regions of England declared? We are still

waiting for Scotland and London of course. That was delayed at account.

This is the Great Britain scoreboard. UKIP still on top on

29%. Tying for second place, the Conservatives and Labour both on 24%

share of the vote. Conservatives slipping down. Labour making gains,

enough to put them into second place. The Green Party coming in

fourth in front of the Lib Dems who have seen half of their share of the

vote lost tonight. They have gained their first seat. Let me show you

how some of the maps are coming up. It is something we said we would

look at in terms of the higher share of the vote for any one party in any

particular place. You can see how the map is turning purple. That was

the colour it started off at the beginning of the night. Oxford,

Brighton, Slough for Labour, the only bits that were not blue. But

now this gives you more of a sense of how a general election would be

fought in terms of the share of the vote. I wonder if Nigel Farage is

looking at this purple and thinking they could be a seat there for him

in the general election. A long way off but these things are all

starting to be a thought. This is Scotland, the SNP are on top. They

are not moving. They have not lost anything but they certainly have not

pulled up, given the referendum just a few months away. Labour are in

second place and making some games. Not that significant but it is

holding in second place. The Conservatives have not lost any of

their share of votes here in Scotland. They are on 17% but they

have not gone down. The Lib Dems are taking the hit from the parties in

government. We will be looking a bit more closely at that because we have

made a prediction that says that with 10%, we believe that UKIP have

got their first seat in Scotland. Nine of the 11 in Great Britain

nine. We are joined by Danny Alexander, chief secretary of the

Treasury. What do you make, first of all, of Liberal Democrats falling

behind the Green party in these elections. They are losing almost

all of their MEPs. Well apart from Catherine Bearder who was elected in

the south-east it has been a pretty awful night for the Liberal

Democrats. People have used the European elections over many

parliaments to have a go at the government in office, we have

obviously taken a significant share of that tonight, so have the

Conservative Party. Also, I think that we chose, very deliberately, to

make our campaign in these elections about being the only party that was

making a positive case for the European Union. This result also

shows how far those of us who very strongly believe that Britain's

future as part of the European Union, our jobs, economy,

investment, growth depend on that, how much more we have to do about

that argument. Doesn't it show that you were wrong? It does not show

that. I am proud of the campaign that we fought. It is one of the

most fundamentally important arguments there needs to be made in

this country in the next few years. The performance of UKIP should worry

anyone who believes in the continued membership of the European Union. It

is a low turnout election, only about a third of the population

turned out to vote said the significance can be overstated but

nonetheless I think it should be a wake-up call to the many

pro-Europeans who have remained silent on the Shishir for a long

time. It is no longer good enough for those who strongly believe that

Britain should be a part of the European Union to succeed and thrive

and grow in the future to remain silent and the argument can go by

default. The latest figures I saw of people who are in favour of staying

in and pulling out showed them pretty much equal. I do not know if

that is the case but if that is the case then why would you have done so

badly because people who believe in what you say would have gone on

voting for you? There are two elements and that is one of them. As

the Labour Party found in 2009 and other parties have found in

elections gone by that of course parties of government do suffer in

these European elections. We made a very important decision as a party

in 2010 to join the Coalition Government and we have delivered the

start of a strong economic recovery, we have delivered the

income tax cuts that we promised among other things but we need to

redouble our efforts to get that message across. The local elections

showed that in areas where we are strong around the country and we

have parliamentary strength than we get that message across, we can more

than hold our own. This should very much be a message that we must make

that argument as powerfully and strongly as we can between now and

the elections. Could you just wait there for a moment. I want to bring

in Martin Tod who joins us from Southampton who wants a rather

different approach. What would you like to see happen? I am extremely

concerned about what has happened. We have seen our share of support

half and we know that 35% of the population would vote in this way if

there was a election tomorrow and we will trade ourselves as the party of

insert there is a problem with our strategy and our leadership. Saying

more of the same will not cut it. I am really concerned that the initial

response that I am hearing to what is a disaster, losing all of our

MEPs except for one, is far too complex. There must be major change

or if you carry on doing the same thing, why would we expected from

result next year. Nick Clegg put himself forward as the spokesperson

of the campaign and people do not appear to have listened to us. We

have been sent a message by the electorate and we need to listen to

it and just what we are doing. Danny Alexander. I, of course, and as

concerned as Martin and everyone else out about these results. Nobody

wants to see Liberal Democrat councillors and MEPs re-elected more

than ideal. Losing really and strong MEPs like George Lion in Scotland

although the result is not confirmed, that is very bad. I think

we have to look at what the right answer to that his and as a party we

made a choice to try and sort out the country as a part of the

Coalition Government. We have achieved a lot and we know that in

our areas of strength the message about that achievement is one that

gets across. It is something that Nick Clegg has made a fantastic

contribution to and he is by far the best spokesman that we have for that

and he needs to continue to make that argument strongly and

powerfully as possible, recognising that in areas where we have not

traditionally have strengthened that our vote has fallen away but any

areas where we have a chance of holding or gaining parliamentary

seats that we get the message across as powerfully as strongly as

possible. It is not much of a mantra to say that in the areas where you

are strongly get the message across because that is self evident and it

does not help you in the areas where you are not and you need to win

people back to the party. It is a key difference between the European

election. In a European election you are operating under a system that is

operating on very large reasons with many millions of people per region

and in a general election it is by parliamentary consistency --

constituency. Therefore it really matters about how as a party we

forward to the general election. Martin, you want to Nick Clegg to go

now despite the fact that he challenged Nigel Farage but who

would you put in his place? One of the great things about the little

Democratic party is that we are a Democratic party and I would like to

see any new leader prove himself in a democratic party election. I am

concerned about what Danny is saying, he is saying to carry on

delivering leaflets and carry on saying what we said and carry on

with the same spokesperson and it will all be fine but we have just

seen what happens and it is not fine. I come from an area that has

done well. We won the popular vote in Winchester and we held nine of

our 11 seats. We were pleased with what happened but it was because we

were talking frankly about our local record of achievement and what we

wanted to do locally and we were talking about the achievements of

the Coalition Government is being reflected in the local area and I

strongly support doing that but to say that all we need to do is to

carry on as we are as a party which is effectively what Danny is saying

is inadequate and the voters have sent us a message. What is clear, or

what seems to be clear, coming out of this is that they are not

prepared to listen to our leader and that is a very serious problem. It

is a problem that I think we need to address. Won't it look like panic 11

months before an election if you change your leader? I think it looks

like listening to the electorate. You cannot lose all of your MEPs

except for one and pretend that nothing has happened. You cannot

pretend your strategy is perfect and you need to carry on as you are and

carry on delivering the leaflets and say what we said in our leaflets

this year and everything will be fine. We have been doing this year

after year after year and we keep being told it is the mid-term and

the midterm moves nearer and nearer every year to the date of the

general election so I am extremely concerned. There is a phrase that,

yes, we are not a party of protest any more but we should not be the

opposite, a party of complacency and status quo. We have to be

challenging more in terms of what we want the future of the country to be

like and I am really concerned that if we stay with Nick and the current

strategy that we will get the results that this year has told us

we will get it next year post general election. Danny Alexander,

last word. Complacency? Absolutely not. I am as concerned about these

results as Martin is but I do not think plunging the party into a

period of introspection is the right answer to that. I think Nick Clegg

has done a fantastic job as our leader and the Deputy Prime Minister

of the country and delivering the achievements that Martin is putting

on his leaflets in order to persuade people as he and his colleagues did

fantastically Winchester to vote Liberal Democrat again in the local

elections so I agree with what Paddy Ashdown was saying yesterday, what

we have to do is make sure we are getting that across to people in a

much more vigorous and strong way up and down the country. That is the

way to succeed. I think the idea that by turning our backs on that

and turning our backs on the coalition simply is not the right

way forward. Danny Alexander and Martin Todd, thank you very much for

joining us. Emily, let us have a look at London now.

Although the results at London are not coming in very quickly because

there have been problems at the counts but we have been given a hint

and we have put together these percentage shares based on what

we're getting so far. It was quite interesting looking at Danny

Alexander earlier because he said that Liberal Democrats were doing

well in the areas where they are strong but Sutton is a Liberal

Democrat citadel at a local level and this is what hath happened to

their vote here, down 6% and UKIP has made a 10% gain there. Labour is

up and the Conservatives are slightly down but what you are

seeing if you compare the different parts of London, the South East, the

South West and the south-east further out again in Greenwich, is a

rather different shape to the UKIP story. In Lewisham, very mixed area

in the South, UKIP is only up about 3% but Labour have massive gains.

The Conservatives are down slightly and the Lib Dems are taking the hit.

If you want uniformity it is pretty much the fall of the Lib Dems share

of the vote there. Sutton has UKIP up 10% and in Greenwich it is a bit

more than we saw in Lewisham but not as great as we have seen in the rest

of the country. Certainly not the sort of games that we have seen

outside London yet there is a presence of UKIP here nonetheless.

Emily, how did you get all of that because we have been told that the

returning officer for the whole of London was refusing to give the

results by Rabbi Boro? That is the point. We have gone to

local authority websites to draw this data as we go along. That is

why it is tentative because we have not had a returning officer or any

concrete results. Do we have any idea when we will get

the London results in at the moment? We were told it would be delayed by

an hour so we are still waiting for another hour.

To pick up on that, the team behind-the-scenes have been looking

at how the UKIP vote changes depending on the ethnic mix. In a

sense there is no surprise but the figures are interesting. Where 75%

of the population is white UKIP vote goes up on average by 13 points but

where less than 75% white that figure drops to a ten point rise.

Given that London is a much more ethnically diverse part of the

country and bearing in mind these figures are based on parts of

Britain outside London so far, you would expect to see a significantly

lower figure in London. Thank you. Can we show any light on

when we might get the result? We have various things that have leaked

out from Boro 's within London but do you know when the final thing

will be out? There is emerging a communication

breakdown between central control here at City Hall and Tower Hamlets

because they seem to have been told since around 10pm that there was

going to be another hour before we have the results but clearly

everything is taking much longer than anybody ever anticipated and

the kind of explanation is that our forthcoming at the moment are that

it was a big turnout in Tower Hamlets, more than 50%, and also

that there has been a knock-on effect from a very close male role

battles there which they started counting on Friday. They had to wait

for that to be sorted -- mayoral battle. There were issues with large

crowds gathering. They then started the count for the local elections

which also took some time and it was early in the morning on Saturday

that they had to decide what to do about the count because everybody

was tired. They stopped at 11am on Saturday and decided to give staff

around 24 hours rest and they asked them to come back at 2pm this

afternoon and clearly the task has just proven too much. They have been

still counting some of the local council results. They have not

resolved the outcome of the Council competition in Tower Hamlets and

there just seems to have been a knock-on effect and they have not

been able to go on. So it is a shambles and Tower

Hamlets that is holding everything up.

I could not possibly use such emotive language but there is

certainly frustration, real frustration here at City Hall

because you have everyone gathered here and everyone feels that

increasingly the attention, not just of London is on City Hall, but the

rest of the country as well. I can see nobody gathered except

you! They have given up. They will watch you announce the London

result! They are all downstairs in the canteen. There is a little baby

sleeping quietly, a little baby belonging to one of the Green Party

candidates. There is frustration in Lewisham. Lewisham Council are the

cord and 18 authorities. They are doing it on behalf of London. --

coordinating. They are going to Tower Hamlets, are trying to, as

often as possible and they are being told that they are nearly there. It

is not happening. It sounds like a model. If we get the other results,

we will announce them and we can leave Tower Hamlets aside. Until

tomorrow or the day after! In the first London May oral elections,

they did not count a single vote overnight -- mayoral. There were

brilliant pictures of political editors sleeping. David Dimbleby

went to bed while I had to keep the programme going! That was the case

in the first mayoral election. They have an absolute record of failure

here. We are getting a tale of two London's. In comes Bromley,

Bromley, UKIP very nearly one. It is very close with the Conservatives.

-- won. UKIP are struggling in most of London, but a bit like the locals

on Thursday night, those bits of London towards Kent, UKIP are doing