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Hello and welcome to Wednesday in Parliament - | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
our look at the best of the day in the Commons and the Lords. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
On this programme, a taxing issue for the Prime Minister | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
or quite straightforward? | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
Jeremy Corbyn tries to pin David Cameron down on the size | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
of that tax payment by Google. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
Why is there one rule for big, multinational companies and another | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
for ordinary, small businesses and self-employed workers? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:40 | |
The proposal to limit Universal Credit to two children, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:45 | |
Peers voice their concerns. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
These proposals as a whole might be seen as signalling that not every | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
child is precious. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
And after a winter of intensive flooding, is the Thames Barrier | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
fit for purpose? | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
A Labour Peer thinks action is needed. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
To say categorically that we need to do nothing | 0:01:03 | 0:01:09 | |
with the Thames Barrier to 2070, seems to me, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
a little bit over-hopeful. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
But first, David Cameron has defended the deal the authorities | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
have struck with Google over tax, saying the Conservatives have done | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
more than any other Government. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
The technology giant has agreed to pay ?130 million in tax | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
The payment covers money owed since 2005 and follows a six-year | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
enquiry by HMRC. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
But critics have called the 130 million derisory. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
It was an obvious subject for the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
to focus on at Prime Minister's Questions. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
He said experts indicated Google was paying a tax rate on its UK | 0:01:45 | 0:01:55 | |
profits of, in effect, 3%. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
The Chancellor of the Exchequer described this arrangement | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
as a major success while the Prime Minister's official spokesperson | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
only called it a step forward. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
The Mayor of London described the payment as quite derisory. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
What exactly is the Government's position on this 3% | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
rate of taxation? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:22 | |
We have put in place the diverted profit tax, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
that means this company and other companies will pay more | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
tax in future. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
And more tax in future than they ever paid under Labour, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
where the tax rate for Google was zero percent. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
We have done more on tax evasion and tax avoidance | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
than Labour ever did. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
The truth is, Mr Speaker, they are running to catch up | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
but they haven't got a leg to stand on. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
Mr Speaker, it was under a Labour Government, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
enquiries begun into Google and in addition, as a percentage | 0:02:52 | 0:03:02 | |
of GDP, corporation tax receipts are lower under this Government | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
than they were under previous governments. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
I have got a question here, Mr Speaker, from a gentleman called | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
Geoff. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
You might well laugh but Geoff actually speaks for millions | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
of people when he says to me, can you ask the Prime Minister if, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:25 | |
as a working man of over 30 years, whether there is a scheme | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
which I can join that pays the same rate of tax as Google | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
and other large corporations? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
What does the Prime Minister say to Geoff? | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
What I say to Geoff is that his taxes are coming down under this | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
Government and Google's taxes are going up under this Government. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
Let me say again, if, like me, he's genuinely angry | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
about what happened to Google under Labour, can I tell him a few people | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
he could call? | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Maybe he should start by calling Tony Blair, you can | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
get him at JP Morgan. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
Call Gordon Brown, apparently you can get him at a Californian | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
bond dealer called Pimco. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
He could call Alistair Darling, I think he is at Morgan Stanley | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
but it is hard to keep up. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
Those are the people to blame for Google not paying their taxes. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
We are the ones that got them to pay. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
SHOUTING The problem is, Mr Speaker that the Prime Minister | 0:04:20 | 0:04:26 | |
is the Prime Minister, is responsible for the Government | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
and therefore is responsible for tax collection. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
Millions of people this week are filling in their tax returns | 0:04:35 | 0:04:40 | |
to get them in by the 31st. They have to send the form back. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
They do not get the option of 25 meetings with 17 ministers to decide | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
what their rate of tax is. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
Many people, going to their HMRC offices or returning | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
them online this week, will say this, why is there one rule | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
for big, multinational companies and another for ordinary, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
small businesses and self-employed workers? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:10 | |
All those people filling in their tax returns are going to be | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
paying lower taxes under this Government. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
That is what's happening. The Shadow Chancellor is pointing. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
The idea that those two right honourable gentlemen would stand up | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
to anyone in this regard is laughable. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
Look at the record over the last week. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
They met with the unions and they gave them flying pickets. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
They met with the Argentinians, they gave them the Falkland Islands. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
They met with a bunch of migrants in Calais, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
they said they could all come to Britain. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
The only people they never stand up for are the British people | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
and hard-working taxpayers. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
Jeremy Corbyn did not pick up on David Cameron's phrase, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
"a bunch of migrants" and moved on to the day's big legal judgment. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
We've had no answers on Google, we've had no answers on Geoff. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
Can I raise with him another unfair tax policy that does affect many | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
people in this country? | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
This morning, the Court of Appeals ruled that the bedroom tax | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
is discriminatory because of its impact... | 0:06:12 | 0:06:18 | |
I don't know why members opposite find this funny because it isn't. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:25 | |
The ruling is, because of its impact on vulnerable individuals, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
including victims of domestic violence and disabled children. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:37 | |
Will the Prime Minister now read the judgment and finally abandon | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
this cruel and unjust policy which has now been ruled | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
to be illegal? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
We always look very carefully at the judgments on these occasions | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
but of course, our fundamental position is that it is unfair | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
to subsidise spare rooms in the social sector if you don't | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
subsidise them in the private sector when people are paying their housing | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
benefit and that is a basic issue of fairness. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
Isn't it interesting that the first pledge he makes is something that | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
can cost as much as ?2.5 billion in the next Parliament. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
Who is going to pay for that? Geoff will pay for it. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
The people filling in their tax returns will pay for it. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
Why is it that he always wants to see more welfare, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
higher taxes, more borrowing - all things that got us into the mess | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
in the first place? | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
David Cameron. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
January 27th is Holocaust Memorial Day, as it was in 1945 | 0:07:30 | 0:07:36 | |
when the Auschwitz concentration camp was liberated by the Soviet | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
Army. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
It is estimated six million Jewish men, women and children perished | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
in concentration camps over a five-year period. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
There are a number of Holocaust memorials around the world, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
now there is to be a new permanent one in London. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
This site is at the Houses of Parliament as the Prime Minister | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
explained. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
Mr Speaker, I know the whole House will want to join me in marking | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
Holocaust Memorial Day. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
It is right that our whole country should stand together to remember | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
the darkest hour of humanity. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
Last year, on the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
I said we would build a striking national memorial in London to show | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
the importance Britain places on preserving the memory | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
of the Holocaust. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Today, I can tell the House, this memorial will be built | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
in Victoria Tower Gardens. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
It will stand beside Parliament as a permanent statement | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
of our values as a nation and it'll be for our children to visit | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
for generations to come. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
I am grateful to all those who have made this possible and who have | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
given this work the cross-party status that it so profoundly | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
deserves. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
On behalf of the opposition, could I welcome the remarks | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
the Prime Minister has just made about Holocaust Memorial Day. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
It is the 71st anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
Birkenau. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
We have to remember the deepest, darkest days of humanity | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
that happened then and the genocide that | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
has sadly happened since and educate another generation to avoid those | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
for all time in the future. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
I thank the Prime Minister for what he said. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
For his questions to the Prime Minister, the leader | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
of the third biggest party, Angus Robertson, the SNP, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
focused on the issue of women's pensions. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
During John Major's Government, plans were announced to raise | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
the state pension age for women from 60 to 65 between 2010 and 2020 | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
but four years ago, the Coalition Government speeded up | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
the process and many have complained it has given women too little time | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
to prepare for the change. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
He is aware of the state pension inequality that is impacting on many | 0:09:33 | 0:09:40 | |
women and in this Parliament voted unanimously for the Government to, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
and I quote, "Immediately introduce transitional arrangements for those | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
women negatively affected by pension equalisation." | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
What is the Prime Minister going to do to respect the decision | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
of this Parliament and help those women who are affected, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
those who were born in the 1950s and should have had proper notice | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
to plan their finances and their retirement? | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
What I would say to the honourable gentleman, first of all, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
the equalisation of the retirement age came about on the basis | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
of equality which was a judgment by the European court, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
that we put in place in the 1990s. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
When this Government decided rightly, in my view, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
to raise the retirement view, we made the decision that no one | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
should suffer a greater than 18 month increase in their retirement | 0:10:25 | 0:10:32 | |
age and that is the decision that this House took. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
In terms of ending discrimination in the pension system, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
I would say that the introduction of the single-tier pension and ?155 | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
a week will be one of the best ways we can end discrimination | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
in the pension system because so many women retiring | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
will get so much more in their pension which of course, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
in this Government, is triple-lock protected, so they will get | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
inflation earnings or 2.5%. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
Never again, the derisory 75p increase in the pension. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
David Cameron. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
The footage shown on the BBC's Panorama programme of staff | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
at a secure training centre apparently assaulting youngsters has | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
caused plenty of reaction. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
The undercover team filmed the scenes at the G4S-run Medway | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
Secure Training Centre in Kent, which holds children aged | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
between 12 and 18. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:22 | |
The Shadow Home Secretary Andy Burnham called for G4S to be | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
stripped of its contract to run children's prisons. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
The former head of the prison service of England and Wales, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
Sir Martin Narey, has been a paid consultant for G4S, work | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
that he was asked about when he came before the Commons | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
Education Committee. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
Sir Martin is currently making a review of children's residential | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
care in England. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:39 | |
I just think for the perspective of transparency, you have | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
a connection with G4S so if anything, that drifts | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
into an area where G4S are managing establishments. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
How would you manage that? | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
I did have a connection with G4S. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
I wasn't required to do that but recently, I was asked | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
by Michael Gove to join the Home Office board | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
for presentation reasons, I severed my relationships with G4S. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
Although I don't apologise for having that relationship | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
and even after the appalling events that Medway, I think | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
there are people in that part of G4S trying very hard in prisons | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
and accommodation for young offenders which treats offenders | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
with decency and dignity. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
I make no apology for having tried to help them to do that | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
a little over the years. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
I only did a total of about 15 days a year over three years, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
but I have severed that entirely. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
They understand why. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
And certainly any recommendations I make in this report, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
people will have to judge for themselves, but they will | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
certainly not be influenced by any of the interests of G4S or any other | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
provider in the private or voluntary sector. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
Sir Martin Narey. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
You're watching our round-up of the day in the Commons | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
and the Lords. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:54 | |
Still to come - is the Thames Barrier fit for purpose? | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
The government has agreed to make exemptions from its proposals | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
to limit Universal Credit to two children. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
Universal Credit is the new system that merges existing benefits | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
into one monthly payment for people out of work | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
and those on low incomes. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
The Welfare Minister, Lord Freud, said in the Lords that people | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
who adopt sibling groups will be exempt, to prevent brothers | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
and sisters being separated when they're adopted. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
And people who take in the children of family members, to stop them | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
going into the care system, will also be exempt. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
The exemptions to the Welfare Reform and Work Bill were put forward | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
by the Bishop of Portsmouth. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
I, along with others in this House, indicated our regret that these | 0:13:38 | 0:13:44 | |
proposals as a whole might be seen as signalling that not every child | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
is precious and deserves love and support not only of parents | 0:13:48 | 0:13:56 | |
and families, but of community, society and nation. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
Nevertheless, I recognise the intent of the government. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
The first three exemptions relate directly | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
to unforeseen circumstances which could not have been planned | 0:14:06 | 0:14:11 | |
for when a decision was being made about family size. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:17 | |
However carefully and responsibly consideration took place, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
these circumstances could not have been reasonably expected. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:28 | |
The death of a parent drastically changes family circumstances. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
This is in fact about a family of three children | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
who are working, but struggling anyway. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
It is about all those who have children, confident | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
they could provide for them, until, as the Right Reverend Prelate | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
pointed out, something went wrong. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
Perhaps their spouse died, they got sick and couldn't work, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
a parent lost their job, etc. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
So, my lords, all the things a welfare state was meant | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
to protect against. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
So it seems to me utterly astonishing to have a | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
situation where those who are prepared to take children | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
out of care or take, perhaps, members of the family | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
who they then adopt, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
but already have children, will be penalised for doing | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
something that is actually entirely in line | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
with what the government has said in its adoption policies. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
And so, it seems to me quite extraordinary that the government | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
does not exclude adoption and kinship care. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
And the noble lady Baroness Sherlock has set it out | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
better than I could, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
and in great detail, so I don't want to reflect | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
on it, but just to point out this that she said. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
That it is very expensive to keep children in care. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:43 | |
I am pleased to announce today that in recognition of the important role | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
that family and close friends can play in caring long-term | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
for children who are unable to live with | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
their parents and could otherwise be at risk of entering the care system, | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
we are in favour of exemption for children in such circumstances. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:06 | |
We do recognise that it is often in the best interest of the children | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
for them to be placed in their sibling group. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
Recognising this, I am also able to announce that we are in favour | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
of an exemption where there were previously fewer than | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
two children in a household and the adoption of a sibling group | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
causes the number of children to exceed two, again we intend | 0:16:26 | 0:16:32 | |
to use regulations to provide for this exemption. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:39 | |
Supported housing for vulnerable people - | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
such as the elderly, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
homeless, disabled and victims of domestic violence - | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
is to be exempt from cuts to social rents for a year. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
The cut could have made it difficult for providers | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
to deliver specialist services. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
The announcement came as Labour used a debate in the Commons to call | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
on the Government to exempt supported housing from further | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
reductions in housing benefit - which the party's spokesman said | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
would put hundreds of thousands of elderly and vulnerable people | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
at risk. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
The Chancellor's crude housing benefit cut | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
could hit the lives of hundreds of thousands of people who totally | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
depend on this specialist housing, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
many the most vulnerable people with nowhere else to turn. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:24 | |
The National Housing Federation now say that 156,000 homes, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:30 | |
or at least that number of people, are set to close. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
A survey by Inside Housing found that one in four supported | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
housing providers are set to close everything while 19 out of 20 say | 0:17:37 | 0:17:44 | |
they will close some of their supported accommodation. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
Surely he has got to concede that this is not | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
a back-of-a-fag-packet policy, that this government is doing | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
the sensible thing of actually collating | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
all the information, the data, the demonstrable data, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
into a proper scoping exercise on assisted housing | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
with impact assessment? | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
Also put aside almost ?500 million for | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
discretionary housing payments and the changes will not be taking | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
effect until April 2018. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
Surely that is a sensible policy this government is pursuing? | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
The test of a good society is you look after the elderly, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
the frail, the vulnerable, the poorest in our society. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:27 | |
So will the government confirm today, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
act immediately, confirm they will exempt in full | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
from this crude, sweeping housing benefits cut | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
those in supported and sheltered housing? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
And will they work with those who provide this housing to make | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
sure that it is secure for the future? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
This government has always been clear that the most vulnerable | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
will be supported through our welfare reforms. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
We know that the welfare system is vital for supporting | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
vulnerable people. | 0:18:58 | 0:18:59 | |
And we know it is essential that all vulnerable people have a roof | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
over their head. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:04 | |
That is why we have been determined to support | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
their housing needs. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:07 | |
We have set aside over ?500 million to create a strong safety net | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
against homelessness. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
We recently pledged ?40 million for domestic abuse services | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
to ensure that no victim is turned away from the support | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
that they need. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:19 | |
And in the Autumn Statement, we announced a further | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
?400 million... | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
In just a few moments. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:24 | |
?400 million to deliver 8000 specialist affordable homes | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
for the vulnerable, elderly, all those with disabilities. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
But the minister had a concession. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
In the meantime, the 1% reduction will be deferred | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
for 12 months for supported accommodation. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
We will get the findings of the review in the spring. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
And we will work with the sector to ensure the essential services | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
they deliver continue to be provided whilst protecting the taxpayer. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
Making sure that we make best use of the taxpayer's money and meet | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
government's fiscal commitments. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
And we will look urgently at this to provide certainty for the sector. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:05 | |
I have to give way. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:06 | |
Thanks to the Minister for giving way. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
And for setting out the next steps. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
Can I just put it politely to him that | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
he ought to have done this kind of research before making | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
the announcement in the first place? | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
And can he now also tell the House, to give certainty to those housing | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
providers, precisely what kind of measures will be implemented | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
to offset the changes in housing benefit? | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
I would genuinely say to the honourable gentleman | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
that the mess that the last Labour government left | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
this country financially means that we have to take | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
difficult decisions and we have to move quickly to ensure | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
the hard-working taxpayers are properly | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
protected and I'm proud to be working with a Chancellor who sees | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
that as one of our first and foremost duties. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
More information on the scale, shape and cost of the supported | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
accommodation sector should be available through the evidence | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
reviewed jointly commissioned | 0:20:53 | 0:21:00 | |
-- review jointly commissioned | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
by the Department for Communities and Local Government | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
and the Department for Work and Pensions. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
If the government don't know the impact, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:13 | |
then why make the change? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:14 | |
Madam Deputy Speaker, this Tory government must | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
halt their continued assault on housing benefit | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
in order to ensure that those who need supported housing are not | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
literally left out in the cold. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:22 | |
At the end, a Labour motion calling for an exemption from housing | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
benefit cuts for supported housing was rejected by 47 votes. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
Now, what does the future hold for the Thames Barrier? | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
Lying six miles to the east of the City of London, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
the Barrier was constructed in the wake of the devastating | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
East Coast floods of 1953. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
Finished in 1983, the 1,700 foot structure is said to have paid | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
for itself many times over in the three decades | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
it's been operating. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
But the frequency of closures in recent months has led to fears | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
it could be operating close to the limits of what it can do, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
to protect London. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
In the Lords, a Government spokesman said the future performance | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
of the Barrier was assessed in the document, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
the Thames Estuary 2100 Plan. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
This plan, produced by the Environment Agency | 0:22:06 | 0:22:07 | |
and stakeholders along the estuary, sets out how to manage tidal flood | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
risk up to the end of the century. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
The plan is reviewed every five years. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
Based on these projections, the Thames Barrier | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
is expected to protect London to its current standard up to 2070. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:25 | |
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble lord for that response, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
but he will be aware that the Thames Barrier was raised | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
twice per annum on average in its first ten years of existence, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
and is now raised on average eight times per annum. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
And it reached a peak of 48 times in 2014. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
The government, as a result, in 2012 decided it was appropriate | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
to extend the life of the Thames Barrier from 2030 to 2070. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:55 | |
And despite concerns about freak storms and rising sea levels, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
we know that the government has been complacent as far | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
as the cities of York and Leeds and the county of Cumbria | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
have been concerned, in terms of floods. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
Why should we have any more confidence in their | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
decision to extend the life of the Thames Barrier by 40 years? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
My Lords, I reject the noble Lord's accusations about the goodwill | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
of this government. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
And if I could compare expenditure, this government | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
is proposing capital expenditure of ?2.3 billion | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
in the next six years. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
That compares with the last Labour government of ?1.5 billion. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
A real-terms increase... | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
My Lords, I am normally a great believer in as much | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
salt water as possible, but I have to say I do believe | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
that there is just a slight element of complacency. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
I know a lot of work has gone into this. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
I was involved in the resilience work. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:52 | |
But the speed at which things are changing is such | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
that to say categorically that we need to do nothing | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
with the Thames Barrier until 2070 | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
seems to me a little bit over-hopeful. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
And will the noble Lord the minister agree | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
that we may well have do something well before that | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
and it will take a considerable time to put into place? | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
My noble Lord, I do apologise if I in any sense suggested | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
that this would only wait until 2070. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:20 | |
As I said, the review will be every five years. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
It is absolutely essential that we keep up-to-date. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
My Lords, as a Treasury minister I was much involved | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
in the original decision on the Thames Barrier. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
I very much wanted to make it part of a hydroelectric scheme | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
but my officials said that would cause delay, | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
the Thames would break its banks, the London Underground would be | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
flooded and did I want to take that responsibility? | 0:24:42 | 0:24:52 | |
So we are where we are! | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
But, my Lords, will my noble friend consider | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
whether in the plans which he rightly set out a moment | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
ago, whether one should consider | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
that there is some possibility of using the tidal flow | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
of the Thames to generate electricity, given the increasing | 0:25:07 | 0:25:13 | |
claims for having fuel which is not carbon-based? | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
My Lords, I will certainly raise this with my noble friend | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
in the Department of Energy and Climate Change. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
Clearly it is important in this country that | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
we use many alternative sources of energy supply. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:32 | |
I think that is a very interesting concept. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
And that's it for this programme. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
But do join me for our next daily round-up. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
Until then, from me Keith Macdougall, goodbye. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 |