03/02/2016 Wednesday in Parliament


03/02/2016

Highlights of Wednesday 3 February in Parliament, presented by Alicia McCarthy.


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Hello there, welcome to the programme.

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Coming up: David Cameron sets out his plan to change Britain's

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relationship with the EU - to a very mixed response.

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In the parts of Europe that work for us and out the parts that don't.

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I suggest that he stops pretending at having won

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His negotiation in reality is a Tory party drama.

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There's a plea for more help for foster carers.

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And a Labour MP says changing the way we register to vote has had

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A staggering 800,000 people have dropped off the register.

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But first: David Cameron has asked MPs to support his draft deal

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on reforms to the UK's relationship with the European Union,

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describing it as an "important milestone".

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On Tuesday the terms of the deal were agreed in principle

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and set out by David Cameron in a speech in Wiltshire.

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The proposals will need to be approved by all 27

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and then there'll be a referendum here.

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Labour criticised David Cameron for not making the announcement

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to the House, but he argued MPs needed time to read the documents.

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So 24 hours on - after PMQs - David Cameron stayed

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on at the Despatch Box to set out the changes.

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Starting with the subject of sovereignty.

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In keeping Britain out of ever closer union,

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I also wanted to strengthen the role of this House and all national

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Parliaments, so we now have a proposal in the texts that

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if Brussels comes up with legislation that we do not

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want, we can get together with other Parliaments and block it

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We have also proposed a new mechanism to finally enforce

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the principle of subsidiarity-a principle dear to this

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House-which states that, as far as possible, powers should

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sit here in this Parliament, not in Brussels.

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So every year the European Union has got to go through the powers

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they exercise and work out which are no longer needed

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and should be returned to nation states.

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Moving on, he said he'd asked for commitments

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competitiveness and on reducing the burdens on business,

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and third a commitment that the single market would be

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protected for Britain even it permanently stayed out

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Then he moved on to the subject of immigration.

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The draft texts represent the strongest package we have ever

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had on tackling the abuse of free movement and closing down

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It includes greater freedoms for Britain to act against fraud

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and prevent those who pose a genuine and serious threat from

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It includes a new law to overturn a decision by the European Court

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which has allowed thousands of illegal migrants to marry other

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EU nationals and acquire the right to stay in our country.

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It has been a source of perpetual frustration that we cannot

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impose our own immigration rules on third-country nationals coming

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from the European Union, but now, after the hard work

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of the Home Secretary, we have a proposal to

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And he turned to reducing what he called the "pull factor

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David Cameron said there were four areas the Government

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We had already delivered on two of them within months

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Already, EU migrants will no longer be able to claim universal

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credit-the new unemployment benefit-while looking for work.

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And if those coming from the EU have not found work within six months,

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In these texts, we have secured proposals for the other two areas.

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If someone comes from another country in Europe, leaving

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their family at home, they will have their child benefit

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paid at the local rate, not at the generous British rate.

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And crucially, we have made progress on reducing the draw

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People said that it would be impossible to end the idea

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of something for nothing and that a four-year restriction on benefits

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was completely out of the question, but that is now what is in

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the text-an emergency brake that will mean people coming to Britain

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from within the EU will have to wait four years until they have full

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The European Commission has said very clearly that Britain qualifies

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already to use this mechanism, so, with the necessary legislation,

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David Cameron stressed that there was still much to do

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to secure the changes and that he ruled nothing out.

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The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn was dismissive of the deal.

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But in truth-in reality-this negotiation is a Tory party drama

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that is being played out in front of us, as we see at the moment.

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The Labour Party is committed to keeping Britain in

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Don't get too excited; let me tell

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you the rest of it: because we believe it is the best

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framework for European trade and co-operation in the 21st

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century, and in the best interests of people in this country.

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We believe that the Prime Minister has been negotiating the wrong goals

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in the wrong way for the wrong reasons.

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For all the sound and fury, the Prime Minister has ended up

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exactly where he knew he would be: making the case to remain in Europe,

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which was what he always intended, despite a renegotiation spectacle

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choreographed for television cameras over the whole continent.

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The crucial detail of the emergency brake on workers' benefits for EU

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When is that information going to be made available?

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In any case, what the Prime Minister calls the strongest package ever

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on the abuse of free movement does not actually begin to tackle

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the real problems around the impact of migration on jobs,

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The Prime Minister says that he has secured Britain's exclusion

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from Schengen, a European army and a European superstate.

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The Prime Minister is living in never-never land.

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We have never argued for those things, and we do not intend to.

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We need to work with our allies in Europe to achieve the more

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progressive reforms that its people need-to build a more democratic

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Europe that delivers jobs, prosperity and security

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May I suggest that he stops pretending to have won

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He has not even secured the treaty change he promised

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What is at stake is much bigger than his recent discussions;

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it is about whether or not we remain in the EU.

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That is what the debate across the UK will be

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about in the run-up to the referendum.

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A Labour MP turned to the speculation about

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whether Conservative Mayor, MP for Uxbridge and South Ruislip

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and potential tory leadership candidate, Boris Johnson

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Will the Prime Minister join me in welcoming the launch today

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of Environmentalists for Europe, which is co-chaired

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by Stanley Johnson, the father of the hon.

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Member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip -

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Will he also welcome the splendid article last week setting out

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the importance for science and technology of remaining

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in the European Union, which was penned by his Minister

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for Universities and Science, who is the brother of the hon.

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Member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip?

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Friend to tell him about the importance of family solidarity

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and of joining the swelling ranks of Johnsons for Europe?

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Is not the only way to get control of our borders,

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our tax revenues and our welfare system to leave, be a good European

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and let them get on with their political union?

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The thin gruel has been further watered down.

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My right honourable friend has a fortnight, I think,

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in which to salvage his reputation as a negotiator.

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In the words of John Kenneth Galbraith:

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"All of the great leaders have had one characteristic in common:

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it was the willingness to confront unequivocally the major anxiety

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This, and not much else, is the essence of leadership."

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Once the EU negotiations are complete, will the Prime Minister

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confront people's anxiety, demonstrate strong leadership

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and unequivocally come out in favour of our EU membership?

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If we can achieve this negotiation, I will work very hard to convince

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people that Britain should stay in a reformed European Union.

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That would be very much in our national interest.

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I am not an expert on JK Galbraith, but when people have serious

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concerns-as people in this country do about the levels

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of immigration-it is right to try to act to address them,

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A plea for more help for those who foster children with mental

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health problems has been made in Parliament.

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As part of its inquiry into the well-being of looked

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after children, the Education committee listened to the first-hand

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experiences of two carers, who've fostered children with widely

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But first, the committee heard from a 16-year-old girl who's been

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I am going to ask you the first question. Can you tell the community

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about placement you have had since you have been in care? I have been

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in care for the enough years and the longest post and was about ten

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months, and I have had 13 placements. Quite a lot of movement.

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Very unsettling. 13 places in two and a half years. I gave up

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believing in myself. I let people use me as I was used because I felt

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that was natural to let people do that. I have had bad relationships

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were things have gone wrong, I thought it was normal until I moved

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to Christie 's, when I watched I did not understand that I am still

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learning, my mum is still horrible and my family is not great and to me

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that is still normal. I would rather be back with my family can be in

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care because I find it really hard. I have a lot of problems going on, I

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am not seeing family members like they should be. The committee then

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heard from foster carers. The first three to six weeks of placement is

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not the child you will have after the six weeks. They settle in and

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then you see the real child. By then you have ticked the box saying they

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sleep well, they do not believe, and it is a lot of rubbish. Six weeks

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later you have a potential monster in your house. Because you have been

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given a child with no diagnosis, no help, what can you do? It is really,

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really difficult. I think we should not do it on how long the child is

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therefore, the same person who is cancelling them should follow them

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around, not wait until now like ten months down the line for Shankly to

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get some counselling. She should have had it right from day one

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whenever she lived and whoever she was with. And a recollection of what

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one foster child had said. I find with children, and how Facebook

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about it when he was younger but at the age of nine, when they come into

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your home, I remember him saying to me, he has always called be my

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husband mum and dad from day one, why doesn't that shout at you? Why

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doesn't that hits you? And they find it really, really difficult when

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they see people who are actually nice to each other because they have

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not experienced that. I was going to ask trees and Christine first of all

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what training, if you could outline the training received specifically

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on mental health and well-being. Pretty easy though. Did you request

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any? Had you actively refuse any? We get sent an e-mail at the beginning

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of the year stating what training will be held over the 12 months and

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that is it, really. It would be interesting if you could outline

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what you see the role of a carer or foster carer is in terms of the

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well-being of the child. And you see your role in that area. We are the

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in the face punch bags. That is what we are. We don't know. We get a

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piece of paper that pops up on the computer and says this is the child

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you are getting. You just don't know. We need as carers we need to

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have some kind of intense training. The committee later heard from the

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minister. I was anxious to make sure that we would very carefully going

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back to enough years ago when I took on this role at how we support

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foster carers so that they have the skills, the knowledge. The

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understanding as to what other types of behaviour we have to deal with

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potentially? And what is the best weekend of handling them? Or can

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they go to for support? It was about ?36 million I think that be spent on

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providing systemic therapy, so that there was a greater prospect of

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foster carers feeling positive that the role they were taking on was one

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that they were able to cope with because if you go back to the very

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first question about stability, one of the reasons placements breakdown

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is because foster carers are unable to cope.

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The Education minister, Edward Timpson.

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You're watching Wednesday in Parliament with me,

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David Cameron has admitted that the NHS in England is falling

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short of its target to treat cancer patients within two months

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of their first referral to hospital from a GP.

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Speaking at Question Time, the Prime Minister said

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the Government must "improve our performance".

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The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, said the 62 days target had not been

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met for more than a year and a half, as he focused on the treatment

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of cancer patients ahead of World Cancer Day.

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Cancer is a disease that almost every family in the country has been

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affected by in one way or another: 2.5 million people in the country

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have cancer, and Members on both sides of the House have received

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cancer treatment or are receiving it at the present time.

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A thousand people a day are diagnosed with cancer,

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and they go through a trauma as soon as they are diagnosed.

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In the last year, however, there has been a 36% increase

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in the number of people waiting more than six weeks

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Can the Prime Minister do something to bring that down?

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First, I completely agree with the right honourable

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Every family in this country will know someone affected by cancer. We

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are treating more patients and let me give him the figures. Compared to

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2010 over 645,000 word patients with suspected cancers have been seen.

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That is an increase of 71%. Early diagnosis is absolutely essential. I

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think on that we all now, we know from personal experience on this. I

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said when it comes to the first treatment with and 65 days, we need

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to improve our reformers. And Mr Cameron turned to Labour's

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health record in Wales. Treatment of cataracts, hernia

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operations, take two months longer in England. Labour are running

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Wales. He responsible for Labour. Pick up the phone, tell them to stop

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cutting our NHS. Mr Speaker LuPone Brewster is responsible for the

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health service in England, Wales is a devolved matter. He must be aware

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that cancer survival rates are improving better in Wales than in

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any other part of the UK. The Labour leader then appealed to Mr Cameron

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not to overturn a large decision to offer a increase the support for

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cancer patients. It might be funny for members opposite but it is not

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fair for Martin. Martin has a close friend who has breast cancer and I

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quote, is obviously too unwell to work and cuts will put her into a

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hardship but the tide would she was most vulnerable. There are 3200 more

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people with cancer had by this cut to the essay. Will the Prime

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Minister confirm when that matter returns to the Commons he will

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ensure the large position is upheld and people like her do not suffer

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the cut that he wanted to make in the first place. Let me explain to

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the Right Honourable gentleman at the house, as everyone knows that

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are two sorts of employment and support allowance is, the

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work-related activity group who are able to train for some work and then

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the support group who get to go on getting employment and support

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allowance indefinitely. That is the situation and what we have said is

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that in future the work-related activity group should be paid at the

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same rate as job-seekers allowance. But that is for future claimants,

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not existing claimants who continue to be paid at the same rate. If

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someone has cancer and can't work then they should be in the support

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group. Talks aimed at ending the conflict

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in Syria have continued today. In the Lords, peers asked how many

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civilians had been killed in air strikes by the Coalition and Russia.

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It has been reported that some 40 civilians or more were killed in

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January and is the first two days of this week. Surely we are involved in

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a joint enterprise and by long-standing crucibles of English

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law we are, all of us, legally and morally responsible for the lives of

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those who are killed, innocent civilians, innocent men women and

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children, by these bombs. What comment with the Minister have? My

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Lords, so far as we're concerned as a member of the Coalition, we take

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the possibility and the risk of civilian casualties extremely

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seriously. But I said that my initial answer to date there is the

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evidence that UK strikes have resulted in civilian casualties. I

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think there are three factors that underpin that. Our US first of all

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opposition guided weapons, secondly our adhesions to very strict

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targeting and planning protocols, and above all, the skill of our

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pilots and air crew, where I think it does make a difference whether it

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is the RAF for another are taking part. Heavy bombers unloading

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unguided bombs in large numbers and killing almost indiscriminately,

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doesn't that also have a dramatic effect in driving up the refugee

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numbers which also continues to destabilise Europe? Really, just

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maybe, we are not taking this seriously enough. The noble Lord is

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right, that is no question that Russia is actively targeting

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civilians and is almost certainly in breach of international humanitarian

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law in the process. That has to stop. Russia cannot continue to sit

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at the table as a sponsor of the political process and that the same

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time the bombing the civilian areas of the very groups of people that we

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believe will form the backbone of the new Syria once Assad has left.

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The refugee tragedy is caused largely by the evil Islamic State,

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which we are united states, our allies, could destroy on the ground

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in a few months. He's the reason we do not do so because we have lost

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our nerve after her disastrous invasions of Iraq elsewhere? And

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hasn't the time, perhaps to think again because we clearly cannot

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solve the problem with air power alone. White House aide air strikes

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on military action alone would not defeat Daesh, also known as the

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Islamic State grip. It is a question of defeating their ideology. He also

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added that he was against putting British troops on the ground in

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either Iraq or Syria. The Chancellor and his team have been accused of

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not getting it in the row over Google's tax affairs. Last month the

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company agreed to pay ?130 million in tax hitting back to 2005. George

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Osborne described the deal as a great success but he and Google were

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immediately criticised. Labour's Dame Margaret Hodge the former chair

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of the Commons Public Accounts Committee said that Google have been

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arrogant and the government hopeless. I think the reason the

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Chancellor and his team do not get it is the, because the people they

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talk to about tax and there is a small army of tax professionals and

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multinational companies are the only people with whom they conversed. I

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have to say to the ministers, there is a difference between good working

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relationships, which I applaud, and Anju influence. There is a good

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thing about talking to stakeholders, there is a bad thing about being

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captured by stakeholders. In the debate I was very keen to see some

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facts about the cover of's records so I turned to a study published by

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the Oxford Centre for business taxation which is probably the most

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academically reputable institution in the area of corporation tax and

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the reportedly published in the body of last year identifies 42 separate

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measures, that the government has taken since 2010, to clamp down on

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corporation tax avoidance and evasion, which are forecast to raise

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?34 billion. There is widespread scepticism and lack of confidence

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from the public, it means they have no confidence in the government

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handling of this affair and in dealing with tax avoidance and tax

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evasion. Just a smattering of the backbenchers taking part in the

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opposition debate. Now a Labour MP is calling for a change in the rules

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to make it easier for people to register to vote. He said there has

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been a dramatic drop in numbers on the electoral roll since the

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introduction of individual electoral registration. Since its introduction

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a staggering 8000 people have dropped off the register, that is

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1.8% nationwide. Liverpool has seen a drop in intelligible register of

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14,000. Birmingham 17000 and Lewisham 6000. And these are all

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areas which have seen an increase in population. She said the research

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should pensioners in the shires had a 90% chance of being on the

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register. But a young man in an inner city from an ethnic minority

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background had a less than 10% chance. So she proposed a change so

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that people could be registered automatically when they came into

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contact with the government agency. Whether it is when they pay tax,

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receive a benefit, use the NHS claim a pension. A similar model operate

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in Australia with huge success. For instance the state of Victoria has a

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population of the half-million people and has a 95% accuracy in its

:24:20.:24:28.

registration process. It does this at low employing five members of

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staff who maintain the rolling register. Rolling out this reform in

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the UK is timely for so many reasons. Greater Manchester will

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submit to the Cabinet Office next week it plans to pioneer of this

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system of automatic electoral registration and its proposals for a

:24:44.:24:50.

pilot scheme. Siobhan McDonagh who won the right to take her bill

:24:51.:24:54.

forward of all it stands little chance of becoming law. Finally back

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to the statement from David Cameron on his EU negotiations. There are

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already groups campaigning hard for the UK to stay in the EU and its

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campaigning for us to leave. Among the latter a group called grassroots

:25:09.:25:13.

out, and now it even has a tie to make it easier to identify its

:25:14.:25:20.

members. One of its keenest invaders David Cameron to join the campaign.

:25:21.:25:25.

Kitty come along to a goal conference, if he does not get what

:25:26.:25:30.

he wants, and with it be possible for me to drop off a tie? My

:25:31.:25:37.

honourable friend is always very generous with his time, with his

:25:38.:25:41.

advice is now also with his clothing. The tie is here, I feel

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the Blazer is soon to follow. And that's not a problem brings us to

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the end of this edition of the programme. Thanks for watching. I am

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back at this time tomorrow. Until then, from the, goodbye.

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