20/07/2016 Wednesday in Parliament


20/07/2016

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Hello and welcome to Wednesday in Parliament.

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On this programme: Theresa Lay takes on Jeremy Corbyn in her first

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The Government's urged not to forget the people of Gibraltar

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when negotiating Britain's dxit from the EU.

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And fresh calls for a public inquiry into clashes

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between police and picketers during the miners' strike.

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I still have people come to my surgery in tears reliving the horror

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when they went with their f`milies to peacefully picket.

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But, first, to Theresa May's debut at Prime Minister's questions.

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In the week since Mrs May took over from David Cameron,

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she has held her first Cabinet, met the First Minister

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of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, and was about to fly to Gerlany

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At the start of the session Jeremy Corbyn congratulated Mrs May

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on becoming the second woman Prime Minister.

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Can I thank the right honourable gentleman for the welcome

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Can I say to him, he refers to me as the second woman Prime Mhnister.

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In my years here in this Hotse, I have long heard the Labour Party

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ask what the Conservative P`rty does for women.

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The Labour leader drew on the speech Theresa May made when she arrived

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The Prime Minister is rightly concerned, Mr Speaker, and she said

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this, "If you are black, you are treated more harshlx

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So, before appointing her new Foreign Secretary,

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did she discuss with him his description of black people

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as "piccaninnies" and why he questioned the motives

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of the US President Obama on his part Kenyan heritage?

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He refers to the remarks I lade and it is correct that

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if you are black you will bd treated more harshly in the criminal

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It is exactly why, as Home Secretary, I dealt

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I was concerned to make surd that nobody should be stopped

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and searched on the streets of this country because of the

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13 years of Labour did nothing on it.

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Mr Speaker, my question was actually about the language used

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In her speech on the steps of Downing Street, she also

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addressed insecure workers saying, "You have a job, but you don't

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Does that mean, to those people who are worried

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I am talking of the people that sent us here to serve them.

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Does that mean that she is proposing to scrap the employment tribunal

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fees, repeal the Trade Union Act or ban zero-hours contracts,

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as more than a dozen Europe`n nations have already done?

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That would help to give gre`ter job security to many very worridd

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I am interested that he refdrs to the situation of some workers

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who might have some job insdcurity and potentially unscrupulous bosses.

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I suspect that there are many members on the opposition bdnches

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who might be familiar with an unscrupulous boss.

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A boss who does not listen to his workers?

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A boss who requires some of his workers to double their workload?

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Maybe even a boss who explohts the rules to further his own career?

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Yesterday, the Institute for Fiscal Studies found th`t

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two-thirds of children living in poverty in Britain have `t least

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What, other than warm words, is she going to offer those

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families, those children who are hungry often and very

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Isn't it our duty to offer some hope and security to them?

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Yes, it is and we are concerned about those people, but the answer

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is not the Labour Party's answer of unlimited,

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The answer to the people who are in work and who are

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struggling and work, and the answer to those people

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who want to get into work is to have a strong economy,

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an economy that delivers jobs and that delivers well-paid jobs.

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That is why I can assure thd right honourable gentleman that

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on the side of the House we are focused on building ` country

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That is an economy that enstres that everyone can benefit

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from the nation's wealth, a society where everyone gets

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the opportunities they deserve and a democracy that everyone can

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Finally, I would just say to the right honourable gentleman,

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the Labour Party may be abott to spend several months of fighting

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The Conservative Party will be spending those months bringhng this

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The SNP's leader at Westminster looked to Theresa May's forthcoming

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meeting with German Chancellor, Angela Merkel.

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Germany has the highest levdl of support of any continent`l

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European country for Scotland remaining in the European Union

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So, would the Prime Minister thank Chancellor Merkel for the interest

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of the members of her government and members of the Bundestag,

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their interest in having Scotland remaining within the EU,

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and will she assure the Chancellor and other heads of state

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and government that we in Scotland will do everything, everythhng

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that is necessary for us to remain in the EU?

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I have to say to the right honourable gentleman,

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because this is a line he h`s been taking for some time,

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he took it with my predecessor, I do find a little confusing,

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given that only two years ago in the Scottish referendum,

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that the Scottish National Party was campaigning for Scotland

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to leave the United Kingdom, which would have meant Scotland

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The final question went to the Liberal Democrat leader.

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He and Theresa May had both been unsuccessful candidates in the 992

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General Election for the se`t of North-West Durham.

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Can I genuinely warmly welcome the Prime Minister to her position

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and reflect that she has cole a long way since we were on the hustings

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She will reflect that she is possessing greater support hn this

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chamber than either of us got in Consett Working Men's Cltb?

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Today, there are reports that the new Brexit Unit will be

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hiring lawyers at a cost of ?5, 00 per head per day.

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Can I asked the Prime Minister whether she will be using

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the mythical ?350 million to pay the legal fees or is that

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still pencilled in for the NHS as promised by her

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Cabinet colleagues, who campaigned for Leave?

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I think it is absolutely right that we create a new Departlent

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to focus on the work of negotiating the United Kingdom leaving

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the European Union and that department will need

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to have the expertise necessary to undertake those negotiathons

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I say to the right honourable gentleman, I am very happy

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to remember the days that he and I spent campaigning

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in the General Election in North-West Durham.

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Little did the voters of North-West Durham know

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that the two candidates, unsuccessful candidates in that

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election would become leaders of two of this country's political parties,

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although as I would point ott to the right honourable gentleman,

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my party is a little bit bigger than his is!

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Meanwhile, the woman who has stepped into Mrs May's

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old job as Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, has said she's

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still looking at whether to hold a fresh investigation

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into the police handling of what became known as 'Thd Battle

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of Orgreave' during the mindrs' strike in the mid-80s.

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About 10,000 strikers and 5,000 police officers clashed

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at the coking plant near Rotherham in South Yorkshire in June 0984

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More than 120 officers and pickets were injured.

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More than 90 miners were prosecuted, but they were subsequently `cquitted

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amid accusations that the protestors were "framed"

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The Home Secretary said she'd been in touch with those

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I can tell the right honour`ble gentleman that I have,

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today, I have written to the campaign secretary,

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Barbara Jackson, to say that I would be very happy

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to meet her and the campaign immediately after the summer recess.

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I would also be happy to medt the right honourable gentlelan

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to discuss this case, as I know this is something

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This is one of the most important issues in my intr`y

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as a new Home Secretary and I can assure him that I will be

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considering the facts very carefully over the summer.

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I hope to come to a decision as quickly as possible following that.

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A year ago, the IPCC found senior officers gave untrue statemdnts

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exaggerating violence from liners to distract from their own tse

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So the force that would wrongly blame Liverpool supporters tried

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to do the same against the miners five years beford.

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The South Yorkshire police had also been in charge of policing

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Hillsborough and a minister in the Lords told Peers

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than an inquiry into Orgreave couldn't be launched

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while until the Hillsborough investigations finished.

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Does she accept that there hs no reason why ongoing investig`tions

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And in similar situations it is commonplace for protections to

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Can you see why the Governmdnt's actions look like a Home Office

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manoeuvre to shunt a controversial issue into the long grass?

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What I am going to do is look at it over the summer and meet

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with the campaign group in September and reach a decision after that

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But he should not allow anybody to think that this means th`t

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We take it very seriously on the side of the House

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and will reach a proper conclusion when I have looked at the evidence.

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The name South Yorkshire Police now does a disservice to the honest

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hard-working officers who ptt themselves on the frontline.

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I appreciate that my right honourable friend is taking

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time over the summer to consider this enquiry.

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Can I ask, not to answer today because I know that she can't,

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but can I ask to consider that the time has come to rdorganise

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Yorksire policing and removd the name 'South Yorkshire Police'?

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My father was a West Midlands policeman in the 1980s and spent

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Clearly, where there is solhd evidence of police malpracthce,

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it must be dealt with effectively and with the full force of the law.

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But does the Home Secretary recognise the concerns of m`ny

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serving and retired police officers, what they perceivd

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of a political campaign with a predetermined outcomd?

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Well, my honourable friend raises an important point and, really,

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the answer to that is why I will take my time to come

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to what I feel will be a fair answer, looking

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There are serious allegations that have been made,

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Orgreave is in my constituency and I still have people comd

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to my surgery in tears reliving the horror when they went

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with their families to peacefully picket.

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The violent abuse they suffdred the vile media campaign aftdrwards.

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Please, will the Home Secretary give them the justice and the pe`ce

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The new Work and Pensions Sdcretary has said he will make a dechsion

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in the autumn on whether or not to proceed with plans to cap

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Housing Benefit for people living in supported housing.

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The plan was announced by George Osborne in last

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year's Autumn Statement, then put on hold while a review

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was carried out, but Labour has led fresh calls for the idea to dropped,

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warning that the cap would hit the most vulnerable.

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It will affect elderly citizens our Armed Forces veterans,

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those with disabilities, people with learning diffictlties

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and people with mental health problems.

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It will hit homeless people and it will jeopardise the safety of people

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I received a letter from the New Charter Housing Group

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that operates social housing in the Tameside part

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of my constituency and they hit the nail on the head in this letter

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where they say that, as a rdsult, they will not have the incole

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to sustain the provision of supported housing.

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Then they will inevitably sde the closure of some schemes,

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many of the supported and sheltered schemes in Tamesside become

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Isn't that exactly what is going to happen up and down the country?

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Is it not true that is important to do this review with Housing Benefit

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And this scaremongering that there is going to be ctts

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people don't actually know what the outcome is going to be

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So let's have a constructivd discussion during this

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review and give some certainty to the sector.

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He asked for two things in his speech.

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First of all, he asked me to change the policy now, and, secondly,

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he asked us to take the evidence first and then take a decishon.

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Now, I could either take ond of his pieces of advice

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or the other piece of advicd, but I really can't take both pieces

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of advice so I have decided to take the second piece of advice `nd look

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at the evidence first and then take a decision because that is, indeed,

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I have had discussions about this with Solihull carers,

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What they have told me is that they understand this

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is the first review to take place into this for ,0 years and they also

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is the first review to take place into this for 20 years and they also

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understand that the total bhll for Housing Benefit in this country

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is some ?25 billion and it hs right that we take time and we explore

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all the options and try and come to the best resolution.

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I expect to make an announcdment on the way forward in

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We are going to spend the stmmer looking at the evidence

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and I will make an announcelent in the early autumn.

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We require a solution that is flexible enough to leet

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the needs of service users and providers, while it rem`ins

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affordable for the taxpayer and delivers value for monex.

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Supported housing projects provide a range of people with vital support

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which saves this Government money in hospital beds, prisons

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As the honourable member made clear in the adjournment debate l`st

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Tuesday night, a wide range of service provision is unddr threat

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by the continued uncertaintx over this policy.

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I am appalled, Madam Deputy Speaker, that the people supported bx this

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sector are being put at risk by the lackadaisical 'speak now

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figure it out later' attitude that this Government

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I accept entirely that therd needs to be a review,

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We keep getting told we will make a decision in the spring,

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in the autumn and, in the mdantime, future provision is not being built

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because of the uncertainty `nd those existing provisions feel

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that the uncertainty makes their future a little

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You're watching Wednesday in Parliament with me, Alicia LcCarthy.

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The rights of the people of Gibraltar should be at the front

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of the queue when it comes to EU exit negotiations, MPs have

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The people of Gibraltar votdd overwhelmingly to Remain

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Gibraltar's ministers have demanded to be fully involved

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The Spanish government, meanwhile, has called for joint soverehgnty

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in the light of the UK's decision to Leave.

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The chair of the all-party group on Gibraltar at Westminster

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campaigned to leave the EU, but acknowledged opinion

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All the electorate in Gibraltar entitled to vote in the refdrendum

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96% voted to remain. Admittddly slightly less than the 98% who voted

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to remain British, but very impressive all the same. But for

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perspective it must be seen in the context of the UK as a hole where

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there were 17.4 million votds to leave, and as the Prime Minhster

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said, Brexit means Brexit. We understand the nervousness `nd fear

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a large number of people in Gibraltar are experiencing `t the

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moment. When the Chief Minister came to speak to the all-party group a

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few weeks ago he described grown men in tears at the result. Spahn has

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been obstructive regardless of principles and how the borddr

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operates will be to turn and between United Kingdom and Spain. The

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Spanish Foreign Minister crowed that the Spanish flag is now much closer

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to the rock. In reply the chief minister of Gibraltar replidd in his

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usual manner to all these threats and sovereignty, saying, another

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day, another stupid remark. I extremely disappointed by the way

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the Foreign Office pussyfoot around this matter. They spent thehr time

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summoning the Spanish ambassador and gave him a dressing down and then he

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went off and nothing changes. It is about time the Foreign Office had

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some courage and did somethhng and represented the people of Ghbraltar

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better. I thank the honourable gentleman for his interventhon and

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comments. This debate will give us all a chance to show our colmitment

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and eagerness to respond in a more robust fashion. Gibraltar mtst be

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included in all of those discussions, at the start. Hf it is

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not then there is no question about it, the government in Madrid,

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particularly the existing government in Madrid, will try to scupper any

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negotiations on the basis of trying to force our government to give some

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sort of concession over Gibraltar. That cannot happen. It would be

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welcome at some point to sed a sense of the trilateral conversathon

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happening again. I know that it is fraught but it is very important to

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talk and have discussions. But I also believe the town is crtcial. I

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hope that members will be hdlpful in regarding their town. We must

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remember the geography of Ghbraltar -- remembering their tone. @nd the

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fact that so many Spanish h`ve an intimate relationship with Gibraltar

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on a daily basis, that is the kind of thing we want to get tow`rds a

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practical discussion about what it means on a day to day basis, this

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new reality. Gibraltar did not get the desired outcome but I al pleased

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played its part in its historic decision and that speeches we have

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heard across this chamber rdflect a determination to make it for them. I

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want to deal with detailed hssues raised by this debate. I want to be

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absolutely clear that the ottcome of the referendum does not in `ny way

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diminish our steadfast and long-standing commitment to

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Gibraltar and its people. Shnce 1713 United Kingdom has always stood by

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Gibraltar and always will. The Romanian Ambassador says he s

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"cautious" about predictions of a wave of Romanians coming

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to the UK before it leaves the EU. He estimated there were currently

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between 400,000 and 500,000 The Ambassador was facing qtestions

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from the Home Affairs committee which is looking

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into the implications The issue of the pull factor, of

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Britain exiting the EU, and therefore Romanians deciding they

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need to come here before exht. It is a serious one, is it not? Do you

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think there might be a surgd of people wanting to come in bdfore

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exit date? I would be very cautious about a wave of Romanians coming

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before the cut-off date. Sure. But we would not know. Is it not the

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case that as far as Romanians are concerned some may have passports,

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others, on the basis of identity documents. As with European

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citizens. Exactly. The same applies to British citizens going to the EU,

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they do not get stamps on their passport. Would you know whdre the

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remaining citizens are in the United Kingdom, do they all registdr with

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the embassy? No, because thdy travel freely as European citizens. So is

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that a practical problem, identifying who is here? It will be

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British authorities a very difficult issue. Because I don't belidve you

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will impose visas on tourists. He was asked about the reported

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rise in racist attacks The evidence you have, is it

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subsiding again or do we sthll encounter these problems, are there

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still attacks? We have no w`ve of attacks on a nine citizens. We had

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this incident in Norwich. -, attacks on remaining citizens. Wherd a store

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that was owned by Romanians was burnt. OK. I was in Norwich last

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Friday, with a colleague who is a minister for Romanians abro`d, we

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have such a post in our govdrnment. And it was impressive for md to see

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the solidarity of the local community in Norwich against such

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attacks. There was a wall ftll of hearts, they raised money, lore than

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?20,000, from the local comlunity. I think there was a strong re`ction,

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and this reaction will the nationwide, to see that there are

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integrated in the British community, and the British community do not

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want to give such a signal. Staying with the EU,

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it was announced on Wednesd`y that the UK is to relinquish

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its six-month presidency of the Council of the EU,

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which it was due to hold The presidency rotates

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between the 28 member states, giving each the opportunity to shape

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the agenda, by chairing sumlits Only the previous day,

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peers had asked whether the UK's So, following the announcemdnt,

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Labour called the minister to the Lords to explain

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what had happened. The noble Lord told us that

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ministers would discuss the issue of the presidency with EU colldagues

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but he also said, we remain a full member until negotiations are

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concluded, with the rights `nd responsibilities that this dntails.

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I happily said that at times holding the presidency could be

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uncomfortable for ministers, a bit embarrassing at times. But preparing

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to enter negotiations we must be as strong and influential as possible

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to get the best possible de`l and benefits for the UK. The government

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has decided that it would not be possible to chair discussions on the

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future of Europe in a dispassionate way when everyone around thd table

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knows our country is leaving the EU, it would not be in the interests of

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Europe or our own. Can my noble friend confirm that as a result of

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this decision, which I welcome, but not only will officials be `ble to

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concentrate on Brexit, but taxpayers will be saved the cost of the

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presidency, up to 100 million euros? Does this not show the importance of

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involving Parliament very soon in a comprehensive Brexit strategy? Will

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we be subject to salami slicing whereby when the decision to trigger

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Article 50 is made, whenever it is made, it will all be wrapped up

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without us? Does my noble friend realise that to change policy

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effectively in less than 12 hours is hardly treating this House with

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respect? Yesterday the answdrs which he gave, and I sure they were given

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in total good-faith, it was all to believe that whatever the ddcision

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it was sometime off. My lord, if trust is to be maintained and

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Parliament is to play a part we cannot have any more of this

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cavalier treatment by the government of either House of Parliament.

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Lord Bridges apologised if Lord Cormack thought Parliament

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was being treated in a cavalier fashion and said the Governlent

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fully intended to involve the Commons and the Lords

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That's it from me for now, until the same time

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