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Hello and welcome to Witness at the British Library in London. | :00:00. | :00:34. | |
We've got another five witnesses who have | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
given us a glimpse of history through the eyes of people who were | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
This month on the programme, one of Al-Qaeda's first terrorist | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
Bangladesh's struggle for independence. | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
And the creation of the world's most famous sheep. | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
But first to Afghanistan where for 1,000 | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
years three huge statues of Buddha towered over the valley of Bamiyan, | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
some of the country's most significant monuments. | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
But in 2001 they were destroyed by the Taliban. | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
Sayed Mirza Hossein was one of the local people | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
taken captive and forced to | :01:13. | :01:13. | |
Sayed Mirza Hossein still lives in the Bamiyan Valley where he | :01:14. | :05:11. | |
In August 1998 Al-Qaeda carried out one of its | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
first major attacks, targeting the US embassies | :05:15. | :05:16. | |
George Mimba, an American national, was working | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
in the American Embassy in | :05:24. | :05:24. | |
Nairobi when it was hit by a massive truck bomb. | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
I cannot describe to you | :05:29. | :05:34. | |
Then the smoke started filling up the building. | :05:35. | :05:53. | |
for help, some shouting, some people crying, some | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
The first explosion sounded like a tremor. | :06:00. | :06:14. | |
Then it turned out it was a | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
People were arriving to look at what was going on. | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
I did not want to be left behind but I had an | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
e-mail that I had to send, so I clicked send. | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
Then I started also walking, following them. | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
The building next door to the American Embassy was almost | :06:36. | :06:48. | |
There are people clambering over the destroyed | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
building and people inside the United States embassy. | :06:53. | :07:03. | |
I started fighting myself out of the debris. | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
Then all I could see were bodies of people. | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
The people you just talked to a few minutes ago, seconds ago. | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
You look at yourself, what is there for me to live for? | :07:13. | :07:20. | |
When I opened my eyes I see across the | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
I just closed my eyes and left the building. | :07:24. | :07:38. | |
And then something told me to open my eyes. | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
And I still hear people crying in the building. | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
So I am heading back into the building. | :07:45. | :07:46. | |
When I went up to the first floor it is dark, it is | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
So I started to crawl on my knee, touching the bodies, to | :07:53. | :08:02. | |
feel if there is anybody that still has life. | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
And then I am calling out, is anybody here? | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
Then I heard somebody calling my name, George, please help me. | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
I started moving very fast towards that direction. | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
I just held on to that person like this and started | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
The voice that called me out for help was a lady's voice. | :08:30. | :08:36. | |
And when I called out again there was | :08:37. | :08:38. | |
On the face of it it is like we have recovered. | :08:39. | :08:56. | |
More than 200 people were killed in the bombing and more than | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
George returned to work at the US Embassy in Nairobi and he | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
In July 1996 scientists at the Roslin Institute | :09:07. | :09:15. | |
in Scotland created the first animal cloned from an adult cell. | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
Dolly the sheep was created in a laboratory | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
using an adult cell taken from one sheep to fertilise an egg from | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
It was a breakthrough in the history of genetic engineering. | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
Sir Ian Wilmut led the team of scientists. | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
It was extremely exciting to see her knowing she was | :09:39. | :09:46. | |
the first animal to be cloned from an adult cell. | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
From a professional point of view it's the most | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
Scientists in Scotland have produced the first ever clone of an animal. | :09:53. | :10:02. | |
Dolly, a seven-month-old sheep, was created in a laboratory using a cell | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
This was the culmination of about five years of | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
It was not a eureka experiment where you just stepped out | :10:10. | :10:26. | |
The new technique involves taking a cell from an adult sheep and | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
removing the genetic material from it. | :10:33. | :10:33. | |
The genes are then inserted into | :10:34. | :10:35. | |
an empty egg cell taken from another sheep. | :10:36. | :10:37. | |
The egg is then used to start a pregnancy, the offspring being a | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
Many clones could be produced this way. | :10:41. | :10:42. | |
In the case of Dolly the cells came from mammary tissue | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
which could be removed from an animal which was autopsied | :10:46. | :10:47. | |
for other experimental reasons and it was two of the stockmen | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
who were watching the sheep who had suggested | :10:51. | :10:52. | |
that she should be christened after Dolly Parton as a mark of respect | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
it was necessary to carry out molecular biology tests to show that | :10:56. | :11:09. | |
she was genetically what we said she was. Once we had that information | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
that could be written up into a manuscript. I do not think we were | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
prepared for the number of people that came out first Monday. Clearly, | :11:19. | :11:29. | |
as we had cloned an adult, there was a possibility at some time that we | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
could clone an adult person. There was a lot of excited debate about | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
whether it was an appropriate thing for us to do. How easy mate it be | :11:39. | :11:46. | |
scientifically for someone somewhere to apply your methods to the cloning | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
of humans? If he really wanted to do it it could be done. Now it is | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
generally understood and accepted that morning itself is not a useful | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
thing in medicine. Further discussions are required. This was | :12:02. | :12:08. | |
only with the background of knowing how she had been produced that she | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
was scientifically very interesting. She became special as time went by | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
because she was used to people wanting to photograph her and they | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
where you got her to stand in a particular place for the cameraman | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
was to offer her food. She was healthy and continued to be healthy. | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
She had a total of six worms in the vacancies. Dolly was born on Easter | :12:32. | :12:41. | |
Monday. She is said to be in good health. Her lamb is sprightly. Later | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
in life Dolly was infected by a virus which causes lung cancer. We | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
decided that was time to end her life. Her remains went to | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
National Museum of Scotland where National Museum of Scotland where | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
she is to this day. She is one of the most popular exhibits in this | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
country. The importance of Dolly to me is in the science. It was a | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
privilege and an and excitement to be part of the group that did that. | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
There is no doubt all of us were very fond of Dolly. | :13:17. | :13:24. | |
And even later received a knighthood for his role in the creation of | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
Dolly. You can watch witness every month on | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
the BBC News Channel or you can catch up on all our films and more | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
than 1000 radio programmes in an online archive. | :13:37. | :13:43. | |
You may have seemed an image circulating online of a cargo ship | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
overloaded with refugees, sometimes described as Syrians trying to reach | :13:48. | :13:54. | |
Europe, or Europeans trying to reach North Africa in World War II. In | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
fact that's picture shows tens of thousands of Albanian migrants who | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
commandeered a cargo ship in August 1991 and ordered the captain to take | :14:05. | :14:06. | |
them across the bed till union to them across the bed till union to | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
the Italian of Bari. Robert was one of those on board. -- take them | :14:12. | :14:22. | |
across the Mediterranean Sea. It was a dream of freedom. Everyone was | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
crying, saying Italy, Italy. Albania was closed. After 50 years | :14:28. | :14:46. | |
of commoners people to leave because they were who were. In 1991 the | :14:47. | :14:53. | |
economy completely failed and we did not have any choice. The only way to | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
have fees is to leave Albania. Italy for as was a symbol of freedom. We | :15:00. | :15:09. | |
left the Albanian port at two o'clock in the afternoon. 22,000 | :15:10. | :15:21. | |
people 25,000 people inside the boat. We arrived at the Italian port | :15:22. | :15:33. | |
of Bari at 11 o'clock. We were absolutely convinced that they would | :15:34. | :15:43. | |
accept us. They put ours, 20,000 people, in a very small space. I was | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
suffocating. I could not believe any more. It was horrible, a nightmare. | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
The plan of the Italian police was to bring them to a stadium. It was a | :15:56. | :16:06. | |
big space, but to deliver food for 10,000 people you need five hours, | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
so it was not possible for the Italian authorities to deal with | :16:11. | :16:17. | |
this difficult situation. At this moment we began to fight with each | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
other because the Italian authorities left as a loan and it is | :16:22. | :16:30. | |
like a society without roots. In this moment you must fight for | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
yourself. I stayed in the stadium ten days. Doing this, ten days, a | :16:36. | :16:43. | |
back to Albania. Me and my friends back to Albania. Me and my friends | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
decided to stay but we must try a way to escape from the stadium. I | :16:50. | :16:56. | |
tried four or five times. Three times the same policeman cots B. The | :16:57. | :17:06. | |
third time I asked him, why do you stop me gaining my freedom? My | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
father is dying in Albania. They need help from me. I have two worked | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
here to send some money there because we are a pool and you stop | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
me. I am not on the dying myself, also my family. This Italian | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
policeman began to cry. He said, I am sorry, what I can do for you now | :17:29. | :17:35. | |
to escape, he said, leave me alone, I will find my way to escape. I | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
stayed in Bari for one year. I need some money. With this money I | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
decided to come to open a restaurant. We have two worked here. | :17:46. | :17:54. | |
It is a beautiful country. People who can do something for their own | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
country they have two stay in Albania, not go outside. Robert is | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
now a film-maker in Albania. For our final film we are going back | :18:05. | :18:11. | |
to 1971 when Bangladesh, then East Pakistan, was fighting for its | :18:12. | :18:14. | |
independence. The conflict began in March when Pakistani troops started | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
out a raid against prominent in galley nationalists and | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
intellectuals to try and quell the growing liberation movement. | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
Meghna's father was one of those. That night was the darkest of | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
nights. It was the darkness that fell upon humanity. Workers in Dhaka | :18:39. | :18:45. | |
shout for author shall independence for East Pakistan. The already call | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
the country Bangladesh, Bengal state, and claimed they have | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
achieved official independence. There is a noncooperation policy | :18:58. | :19:07. | |
with the central Government. On the 25th of March 19 701I was a | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
schoolgirl. My father was then associate professor of English. The | :19:15. | :19:24. | |
Leader of the Opposition at that moment had given a declaration that | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
all schools and colleges should be caused and that no Bengali should | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
take part as a symbol of protest. Near to midnight I was almost | :19:35. | :19:41. | |
asleep. My father was looking at exam scripts when he heard a lot of | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
out of the window and he's so a out of the window and he's so a | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
convoy of military vehicles coming in near to the compound gates and | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
they came and and asked for the professor. My mother said, why do | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
you want them? They did not answer. They tracked him out of the | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
building. In eight moment we have turned our backs to the doorway and | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
we heard eight shots. It was shocking. It's just hit us that they | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
have not come to arrest people, they have not come to arrest people, they | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
have come to kill. It was as if the sky fell down on us. We went through | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
the back door and into the front of the building where we sought my | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
father lying. He was conscious. We asked what had happened. He said he | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
was asked to stand there and he was asked his name. He gave his name. | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
They asked his religion. Once he told them he was a Hindu then there | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
was an order to shoot. There was no way to take him into a hospital | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
because there was curfew. It was only on 27th -- ten to seven in the | :20:58. | :21:06. | |
morning that the curfew broke and we asked them to take my father to the | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
hospital. The hospital was full of dead and injured people. My father | :21:13. | :21:21. | |
was fatally injured. On the 30th he succumbed to his injuries and died. | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
Throughout the nine months of the war that followed we were living in | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
other peoples houses. Friends, families who gave us shelter. A lot | :21:32. | :21:40. | |
of people were trying flee Dhaka. Finally after nine months we saw | :21:41. | :21:51. | |
independence. Where he was shot, and artist later wanted to build a | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
memorial, not only to my father, but also to the other people who were | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
not have emerged of it was not for not have emerged of it was not for | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
the sacrifice of these people. My father was among them so I feel very | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
proud of it. Bangladesh declared independence in December 1971. | :22:13. | :22:20. | |
During the nine-month war and estimated 3 million Bengalis were | :22:21. | :22:22. | |
this month. We will be back next this month. We will be back next | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
month with another round-up of history. Thank you for joining me. | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
Goodbye. Some of us have had a nice day and | :22:31. | :23:03. | |
others the opposite with violent thunderstorms | :23:04. | :23:04. |