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-On the Penywaun estate

-at the head of the Cynon Valley...

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-..Ysgol Rhydywaun

-has now been open for 20 years.

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-It's the only

-Welsh-medium secondary school...

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-..for pupils from Merthyr Tydfil

-and the Cynon Valley.

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-But how many of those educated here

-use the language after leaving?

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-Tonight,

-I go back to my old school...

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-..along with another former pupil,

-rugby international Andrew Coombs.

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-Do you speak Welsh with any of them?

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-Do you speak Welsh with any of them?

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-I see a couple of former classmates.

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-But we hardly ever speak Welsh,

-except to start the conversation.

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-But that's as far

-as some of them can go.

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-He's touring the Valleys...

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-..to see how many of his school

-friends still use the language.

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-I can understand

-everything in Welsh...

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-..but getting the words out

-takes time, and I find it difficult.

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-Our questionnaire tests

-what effect Ysgol Rhydywaun has...

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-..on the Welsh language

-in the Valleys.

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-Nelson RFC, near Caerphilly.

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-Andrew Coombs

-first played rugby on this pitch.

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-This is also

-where I played as a child.

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-Andrew now has ten caps for Wales...

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-..and helped the team

-win the Six Nations title in 2013.

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-Over a decade since we last spoke,

-we're back at our home club...

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-..to see how he feels

-about the Welsh language by now.

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-How much Welsh do you speak

-since leaving school?

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-At first, not much, to be honest.

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-In the past couple of years...

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-..I've started learning Welsh again,

-having let it go.

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-What made you change your mind

-and want to pick Welsh up again?

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-A couple of things.

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-My son started

-at Ysgol Bro Allta in Ystrad Mynach.

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-When I went into the Wales squad,

-a lot of people spoke Welsh.

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-I tried to speak Welsh there,

-and I found it difficult.

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-That's when I realized

-how bad my Welsh was.

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-That was the first time that a lot

-of people had spoken Welsh to me...

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-..and I couldn't talk Welsh back.

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-It was embarrassing, to be honest.

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-Andrew has made his mark...

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-..as a tough and powerful forward

-with the Gwent Dragons.

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-He has captained the region...

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-..and has now played 86 times

-for the Newport side.

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-This morning, he's training

-with his teammate, Matthew Pewtner.

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-Great. Finish it off.

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-Matthew comes from Blackwood and

-attended Ysgol Gymraeg Cwm Rhymni.

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-Right, Matthew, we're in Ystrad

-Mynach, where the Dragons train.

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-Not much Welsh

-is spoken in the camp.

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-Why don't we speak it to each other?

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-Why don't we speak it to each other?

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-We don't speak much Welsh, do we?

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-I think it would be a good thing...

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-..if we could speak it more.

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-You and I and at least two or three

-others here can speak Welsh.

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-We don't speak it often...

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-..but it would be good

-if we did more often in future.

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-There may not be much Welsh

-heard in the Dragons ranks...

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-..but the 'Men of Gwent'

-speak more than just English.

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-We have a couple

-of South African players.

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-I think I hear more Afrikaans

-than I do Welsh.

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-When we sit down upstairs

-to have our food...

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-..the South African lads speak

-their own language to each other.

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-To be honest,

-it's nice to see them using it.

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-It would be even nicer...

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-..to see us speaking Welsh

-with each other.

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-Andrew and I grew up in Quakers Yard

-in Merthyr Tydfil county.

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-For those who want

-Welsh-medium education...

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-..the only option locally

-is Ysgol Rhydywaun near Aberdare.

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-Today, we follow the familiar route

-of the school bus to Rhydywaun.

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-How much Welsh

-did you actually speak at school?

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-Not a lot, to be honest, Gwyn.

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-Most of my friends spoke English.

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-I played with the naughty boys

-most of the time!

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-I played with boys

-who usually spoke English.

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-Rugby on the yard,

-football, that kind of thing.

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-Always in English, to be honest.

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-Your nephew's at Rhydywaun now.

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-Your nephew's at Rhydywaun now.

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-Yes, but he's the same.

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-I never speak Welsh to Josh

-when I see him.

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-Most of the time, we speak English.

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-That's something

-I'm going to change.

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-Josh is his brother's son...

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-..and he's waiting to meet us

-at the school.

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-Josh, it's a bit odd to be back

-at school and to see you here.

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-It's also odd to speak Welsh to you.

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-When you come to my house,

-we usually speak English, don't we?

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-Yes.

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-What about at school? Do you

-speak Welsh with your friends?

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-No, not a lot.

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-Only in class,

-when the teachers are listening.

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-You get a row

-if they hear you speak English.

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-Why do you think you don't

-speak Welsh with your friends...

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-..either in school

-or out on the yard?

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-There isn't a lot

-to talk about in Welsh.

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-I know more English words

-than Welsh words.

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-You say that there isn't

-a lot to talk about.

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-Can you discuss football in Welsh?

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-Can you discuss football in Welsh?

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-Yes, but I choose not to.

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-I don't want to.

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-I don't want to.

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-Is everyone the same as you?

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-Or are you the only one

-who speaks English?

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-No, everyone's like me.

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-No-one speaks Welsh

-on the yard or anything.

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-Through rugby, Andrew has kept

-in touch with his old PE teachers.

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-They were proud to see him

-using his Welsh on TV recently.

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-When you leave school, you think

-you'll never use Welsh again.

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-I think that's why I let it go.

-The lack of chances to speak it.

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-Now, the opportunities are coming,

-and I'm improving all the time.

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-Certainly, the language

-does give you an advantage.

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-You play rugby and give interviews.

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-There's a big pool

-of English speakers.

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-There are fewer Welsh speakers,

-and that can open doors.

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-What's nice where you're concerned,

-is that you use Welsh naturally.

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-You do come across

-as confident and happy.

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-You know, you're quite...

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-You're relaxed speaking Welsh

-in your own natural dialect.

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-You're a good role model

-for children.

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-Don't worry about studying Welsh,

-just use it.

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-Andrew has agreed to take

-a training session with Year 7.

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-He wants to see

-whether they use Welsh on the field.

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-We'll have three passing drills...

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-..following on

-from what Mr Francis did.

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-Passing is important in rugby.

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-Although he helps

-train children in Nelson...

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-..this is his first time

-coaching in Welsh.

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-Lots of tempo, and more noise!

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-After checking their rugby skills,

-what about their linguistic skills?

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-When I was at school...

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-..I never spoke Welsh

-on the field or on the yard.

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-Not much Welsh was spoken.

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-Walking through the school today,

-I still hear English spoken...

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-..and on the field now,

-when you were playing.

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-How many of you

-speak Welsh outside class?

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-Everyone speaks it in class.

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-How many speak Welsh outside class?

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-Be honest.

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-Half and half.

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-Half and half.

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-Half and half?

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-In and out?

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-I speak Welsh at home.

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-When you're at school, why is it

-you don't speak Welsh all the time?

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-Because it's difficult?

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-If you try,

-everyone else turns to English.

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-Only about 3% of Rhydywaun's pupils

-come from Welsh-speaking homes.

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-Andrew says that it isn't easy...

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-..for the language to battle

-against the tide in the area.

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-I like to hear Welsh being spoken.

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-It's special.

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-But it's not natural for them.

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-It can be hard. They don't

-know the words, just like me.

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-In part two, we follow Andrew

-as he meets up with school friends.

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-Do you use Welsh?

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-Do you use Welsh?

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-No, not at all.

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-I don't need to, really.

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-And our questionnaire reveals

-how many of his former classmates...

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-..still use the language

-at the age of 30.

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-Rugby player, Andrew Coombs...

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-..is on a journey

-to meet some of the people...

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-..who went to school with him.

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-Since leaving Ysgol Rhydywaun

-at 16...

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-..he's lost touch

-with most of his school friends.

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-Tonight,

-he's meeting one close friend.

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-What do you want, Huw?

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-Strongbow Dark Fruits, please.

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-Huw Jones

-was a year above Andrew at school.

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-He now works as a carpenter.

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-He coaches the Nelson rugby team

-where Andrew started his career.

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-It's nice to see you, Huw.

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-I know I see you often but

-we've met up today to talk in Welsh.

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-We don't usually communicate

-in Welsh.

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-Do you use your Welsh at home

-with the family or other friends?

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-No, I don't...

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-..use it as much

-as perhaps I should have.

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-Yeah.

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-I see one or two people

-who do speak Welsh.

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-I try to speak Welsh with them.

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-I don't use it as much as I should.

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-Do any of your school friends

-speak Welsh at home?

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-Do you know how their Welsh is now?

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-I don't have much of a clue. I'm

-friends with one or two on Facebook.

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-When you speak to them personally...

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-When you speak to them personally...

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-..yeah, everything's in English.

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-I know that you like to sing

-in Welsh, Huw.

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-Is that right?

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-I can belt out Yma O Hyd

-by Dafydd Iwan.

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-You like Sosban Fach

-as a Scarlets supporter.

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-I'm a big fan of the Scarlets.

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-I'm a big fan of the Scarlets.

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-You like singing that to me.

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-All the time!

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-# Little saucepan #

-There you go.

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-Huw was a pupil

-at Rhydywaun for five years.

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-He rarely uses Welsh these days.

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-He has two little girls but hasn't

-sent them to a Welsh school...

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-..as his wife doesn't speak Welsh.

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-I can see how hard it is

-to speak Welsh...

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-..when you haven't used it

-for so long.

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-That's what I was like

-a few years ago.

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-I may have been worse than Huw was.

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-For someone who hasn't spoken the

-language for so long, he did well.

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-I wanted to know how much Welsh...

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-..former Rhydywaun pupils

-use after leaving school.

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-I wrote a survey to send

-to those in Andrew's school year.

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-69 of the 103

-who started at Rhydywaun in 1996...

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-..responded online

-or over the phone.

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-None of the respondents

-said they couldn't speak Welsh.

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-Only one person said

-they only knew a few words by now.

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-43% said they could chat

-but not about complicated things.

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-A little over half, 56%, described

-themselves as fluent Welsh speakers.

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-In Aberdare, Andrew meets

-one of those fluent in Welsh.

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-Bethan Jenkins is now a teacher

-at Ysgol Gyfun Cymer Rhondda.

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-Your parents are both Welsh

-speakers, my parents are not.

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-Do you still speak Welsh at home?

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-Yes, I still speak Welsh at home.

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-I still live at home at present.

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-We still speak Welsh day to day.

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-What about friends? Do you speak

-to your old school friends in Welsh?

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-I'm still in touch with some people.

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-We speak Welsh.

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-We speak Welsh.

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-That's good.

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-I see people I know in Asda

-and so on and we don't speak Welsh.

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-What about

-back when you were at school?

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-Do you remember

-how much Welsh you spoke back there?

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-To be honest, a lot of people

-didn't speak Welsh at school.

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-I was one of them.

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-A few of us

-spoke Welsh to each other.

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-In lessons and so on,

-we rarely spoke Welsh at school.

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-I speak more Welsh since leaving

-school and going to college.

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-Is it the same now? You teach

-at a Welsh-language school.

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-Yes, I do.

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-How do you find it now? Do you see

-more people speaking Welsh?

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-To be honest, I think it's an issue

-across all of South Wales.

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-Welsh isn't cool for kids to speak.

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-It's hard to get them

-to speak Welsh in school.

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-Bethan is one of 38%

-who replied to our survey...

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-..who say they speak Welsh daily.

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-15% of respondents

-said they spoke it weekly.

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-38% said they used it occasionally.

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-10% said they never speak Welsh.

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-Ian Jenkins is one of that 10%.

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-He was a close friend of Andrew's

-at school.

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-They played rugby together

-for Nelson and Newport.

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-Today, Andrew is meeting him

-at Bargoed Golf Club.

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-Ian is a member there.

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-Ian, it's nice to see you.

-I haven't seen you for a while.

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-Do you use much

-of your Welsh any more?

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-No, not at all, really.

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-My wife speaks Welsh but I don't...

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-My wife speaks Welsh but I don't...

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-You don't speak Welsh at home.

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-You've got two small children.

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-Yes, I've got Gracie, she's four...

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-..and Olivia, who is two.

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-Both the children

-go to an English school.

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-That's where we live.

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-There are two reasons for that.

-One of them is convenience.

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-The school is across the road

-from where we live.

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-The other one

-is if she has homework...

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-..we can't help if it's in Welsh.

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-As a parent, you want the best

-for your child, really.

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-We want the best.

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-If they don't understand something,

-we want to help.

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-Your wife, Cerys,

-went to Ysgol Rhydfelen.

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-You don't really speak much Welsh

-with her at home.

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-No, not at all.

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-There's no need, really.

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-If we do speak Welsh...

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-..mostly, we think it's funny...

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-..and doesn't sound right.

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-It isn't natural, is it?

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-It isn't natural, is it?

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-No, it isn't.

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-Jamie Bevan comes from Merthyr.

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-He went to Rhydfelen

-before Rhydywaun opened.

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-He is the current Chair

-of the Welsh Language Society.

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-He thinks that the results

-of our survey are positive...

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-..despite the fact that 10%

-never use the language any more.

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-Your survey shows

-that the majority of those...

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-..who were educated in Welsh still

-use the language to some extent.

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-A very small proportion

-don't use Welsh at all.

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-I don't think

-that Andrew's school year...

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-..was very different to mine.

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-A lot of us

-came from non-Welsh-speaking homes.

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-A lot of us left school...

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-..and didn't use Welsh again

-for many years.

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-Once you realise that Welsh

-doesn't belong to the school...

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-..you start building networks...

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-..to use your Welsh

-in all walks of life.

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-But, there was one more part

-to the survey.

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-Before finishing...

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-..I asked the former pupils to leave

-comments about the Welsh language.

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-According to one

-prominent consultant...

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-..those comments add meat to

-the bones of the preceding answers.

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-"I use my Welsh with my

-daughters who attend a Welsh school.

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-"I speak a little every day."

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-"I speak more Welsh

-since my son has started at school.

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-"He brings home Welsh books

-and I help out."

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-"I'm so happy

-that I continued to speak Welsh.

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-"I'm learning foreign languages..."

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-"I speak more Welsh than ever.

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-"I feel more comfortable

-showing that I speak Welsh.

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-"It's very useful

-working as a doctor."

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-"I've lost confidence

-speaking Welsh.

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-"I'd like to do an evening course

-to gain more confidence."

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-"Conversation can be tricky."

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-"I know I can get it back."

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-Cefin Campbell is an expert

-on linguistic planning.

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-He's amazed at how positive

-the survey's results are.

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-He does say they need

-to be handled carefully.

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-There needs to be a warning

-with any survey you send out.

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-There's always a danger that they

-give the answers you want to hear.

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-You have to be careful with that.

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-Putting that to one side...

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-..I still think

-these are very heartening results.

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-He feels the respondents' comments

-say more than the figures.

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-It's heartening that a lot of them

-say they use Welsh at work.

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-Either as teachers

-or teaching assistants.

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-For them, Welsh has been

-an economic advantage.

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-The most interesting thing

-in all the answers...

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-..is also the most worrying

-for me.

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-It's the number of parents...

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-..who use the language more

-with their children now...

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-..because they've started

-at Welsh schools.

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-It's great that their children

-are going to Welsh-medium schools.

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-However, it demonstrates...

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-..that their use of Welsh

-with their children is occasional.

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-Welsh isn't spoken on the hearth

-in these homes, on the whole.

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-So the language

-isn't transferred to the children.

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-What's the answer to that?

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-There are a number of ideas

-the Welsh Government could adopt.

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-I think there's a challenge there.

-It's a priority.

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-The Chair of the Welsh Language

-Society is pushing the government...

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-..to give more opportunities for

-Welsh speakers in the South East.

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-As you've raised in this programme,

-Welsh isn't relevant...

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-..to children who come from

-non-Welsh-speaking homes.

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-That doesn't mean

-Welsh-language education has failed.

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-What's failing

-is government policies.

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-They are meant to bolster

-Welsh-medium education.

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-I think there's much more

-the government could do...

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-..like strengthen the

-Welsh Language Act to support that.

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-Christine Chapman is the Assembly

-Member for the Cynon Valley.

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-She isn't a cabinet member.

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-She has represented Labour

-in Cardiff Bay since 1999.

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-The comments

-at the end of the survey...

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-..show Welsh hasn't become

-the first language in many cases.

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-Is enough being done

-by your Labour government?

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-I was very heartened by the survey.

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-It is about encouraging Welsh

-to be spoken in the communities.

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-This is what Welsh Government

-is focusing in on now.

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-It's not just about

-the language of the home.

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-It should be in employment as well.

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-I'm seeing changes actually.

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-There's a lot more to be done.

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-But there's generally a much more

-proactive approach to it now.

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-Andrew Coombs sends his six-year-old

-son to a Welsh school.

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-What do you like to eat

-for breakfast?

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-Toast and apple juice.

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-Apple juice?

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-He's happy the survey shows...

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-..that the majority of his

-school year still use the language.

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-I'm a little surprised that so many

-people say they still speak Welsh...

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-..and that they

-use the language every day.

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-Despite English

-being the language at home...

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-..Andrew says he does

-try to speak Welsh with Ollie.

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-He hopes his son

-will see a value to the language...

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-..growing up in the Valleys.

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-It's important to me that Ollie

-uses his Welsh when he grows up...

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-..and that he continues to use

-his Welsh when he leaves school.

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-That would be very nice to hear.

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-There isn't much Welsh used

-in the Valleys.

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-If people like me and Ollie

-use more Welsh...

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-..maybe that will push

-other people...

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-..to use the language

-outside school too.

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-Next week,

-after Tata Steel's announcement...

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-..that almost 1,000 jobs

-will be lost in Wales...

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-..we look at the effect

-in the Port Talbot area.

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-We ask what's the future

-for communities...

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-..that are home

-to the heavy industries?

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-Y Byd ar Bedwar,

-next Tuesday at 9.30pm on S4C.

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