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It was said of Charles II that he took the Covenants, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
though in his heart he hated them. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
So there's never any question that these were things he believed in. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
They were an expedient, to try and win over support in Scotland. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
Charles doesn't want to be king of Scotland, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
he wants to be king of all his kingdoms. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
But Scotland, he reckons, is the best route to that victory. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
So if the price to be paid in 1651 | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
is taking the Covenants, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
he's prepared to do it. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
But it's never something he wants to see implemented. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
"The crown being put upon Charles' head, a great shout begun, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
"and he came forth to the throne and there passed more ceremonies, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
"as taking the oath and having things read to him by the bishop. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
"And his lords, who put on their caps | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
"as soon as the King put on his crown, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
"and bishops came and kneeled before him." | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
For those who're sitting in the Convention in Dublin, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
they're very clear that they want a Protestant establishment. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
A lot of them will be fairly open as to quite exactly what form that will take. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
And once it becomes clear that the mood in London is very much | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
towards a restoration of the pre-war system within the church, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
then you see a lot of opinions swinging in that direction. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
With the Restoration of the monarchy | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
came the purging of the Church of Ireland, of Presbyterian elements. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
Under John Bramhall, who now became Archbishop of Armagh | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
and also under Jeremy Taylor, who's the Bishop of Down, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
around 70 Presbyterian ministers | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
were expelled from the Church of Ireland. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
So Presbyterianism becomes an underground or clandestine movement. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
When our grandees gained intelligence of the pulse of the court, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
they began to court the few old bishops that were in Ireland. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
They allowed them considerable salaries | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
and began to give them their titles. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
All things then turned | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
as the inclination of the King was observed to be. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
The Convention sent commissioners to the King, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
desiring the restoring of former laws and Church government and worship. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:23 | |
The honest brethren were thus put to great straits what to do, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
having instruction from their brethren | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
to offer nothing else but that address. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
And from their friends, on the other hand, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
telling them that it would not be acceptable. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
Neither would the great persons procure them | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
access to His Majesty, except that they alter some expressions in it. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
It's very clear by the '50s that those Presbyterian ministers | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
who are co-operating closely are in Scottish communities. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
Their goal is never to be | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
just a church for the Scottish people in Ireland. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
But largely in the '50s, that's what they've become. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
At the same time, the State becomes suspicious of Scottish people | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
and tries to keep Scottish people out of particular towns, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:23 | |
and keep Presbyterian ministers out of particular towns. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
So it's reinforcing a sense of solidarity among the Scottish communities. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
And it's reinforcing the connection between Presbyterianism | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
and Scottishness in Ulster. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:34 | |
"As long as those ministers are permitted amongst us, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
"there shall be a perpetual seminary of schism and discontent." | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
There's an awareness across the 1660s, 1670s, 1680s, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
that you're creating trouble for yourself if you clamp down too hard. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
So there are many years in which you get complaints going | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
from people on the ground, saying, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
"Presbyterians are meeting openly. They're building meeting houses. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
"They're operating even at a regional level. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
"Something should be done about this." | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
The State's reluctant to do too much, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
because it doesn't want the trouble that might ensue. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
The regium donum came about because a man called Forbes, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
who was the Commander of the Irish Army, a Scotsman, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
who understood the Presbyterian psyche... | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
My theory is he saw the lie of the land in Ireland | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
and understood the Presbyterians are here to stay, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
the Church of Ireland are here to stay - we need some sort of accommodation. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
If we can tie them into loyalty to the Government, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
and a civil set-up, all to the good. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
And so the first regium donum payment of £600 | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
is going to pay a quarter of the stipend of Christian ministers. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
The theory behind that system is that if you're paying a quarter | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
of their stipend, they're unlikely to preach sedition or rebellion. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
Protestants moved fairly rapidly | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
to create their own, unofficial armed associations. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
And this is happening in Ulster | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
long before James is being actively opposed as King, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
so these organisations are coming into being | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
supposedly still loyal to the King, but for protective purposes. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
And what you begin to see, not on the same scale as 1641, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
but you begin to see some evidence | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
of that same incidence of violence on the ground. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
It's the birth of a son and an heir, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
and a Catholic succession, that sealed James II's fate. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
The Protestant side is looking at Catholicism with suspicion - | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
Gunpowder Plot and all of that is now in the psyche. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
To have a Catholic succession, a Catholic monarchy, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
and all the European dimension comes in there, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
with Spain and France and all of that... | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
Well, "No, we want our Protestant Reformation values," if you like. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
That was the point of no return, I think. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
"Good my Lord, I have written to let you know that all our Irishmen | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
"through Ireland is sworn that on the ninth day of this month, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
"they are to fall on, to kill and murder man, wife and child. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:37 | |
"And I desire Your Lordship to take care of yourself, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
"for whosoever of them can kill any of you, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
"they are to have a captain's place." | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
In the established Church, in the Presbyterians, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
there is still an element of a common Protestantism, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
particularly when it's placed under threat. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
And they do see James as that kind of threat. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
They see James as someone who has departed from the way | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
a King should be. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
So, rather than rebelling against a king, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
it's the King who's departed from the way he should have acted, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
to be a proper King. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:44 | |
COMMANDER GIVES ORDERS TO OPEN FIRE | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
It says everything about relations at the time that the one church | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
was used for two services. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
And never the twain could meet. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
The Anglicans worshipped in the morning | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
and the Presbyterians in the afternoon. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
That speaks volumes about relations even in a time of siege | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
when life is on the line, they couldn't work together | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
and they couldn't accommodate each other. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
Presbyterians were very proud of the role | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
they played in the siege of Derry. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
Contemporary sources tell us | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
they made up the majority of those who were within the walls. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
The problem was that a... difference of opinion | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
developed amongst Anglicans and Presbyterians | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
about who were the true heroes of the Siege of Derry. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
We had George Walker on the one hand | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
who went on a propaganda campaign fairly soon after the siege, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
saying he was the guy who saved Derry from the Jacobite forces. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
Presbyterians, particularly John Mackenzie and other people, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
said it was Presbyterians that had saved Derry. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
For them, the hero was Adam Murray rather than George Walker. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
"Your Majesty's most obliged, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
"most faithful, most obedient subject and servant." | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
The injustices of the past are burning away | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
and they want to impress upon the King their loyalty | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
and their force for good, and their numbers in the community. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
They are a key clientele and William responded to that. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
The most significant migration was the 1690s. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
This was the last time in Scottish history | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
that people in the Lowlands starved to death. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
People who migrated from Scotland to the north of Ireland | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
in the 1690s were actually famine victims. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
And, you know, given the politics of Ireland and the Irish famine, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:15 | |
there's no supremacy over people | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
in the sense that a famine victim is a famine victim. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:23 | |
So, perhaps as opposed to a migrant from Scotland to Ulster | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
being a sturdy, hardy, hard-working Ulster Scot... | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
In fact, many of them were people who were in a pretty perilous position. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:37 | |
Probably the thing that bothers them most | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
is that their marriages are not accepted as valid, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
where Catholic marriages are. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
But marriages conducted by a Presbyterian minister are not valid. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
That has all sorts of implications for the legitimacy of children, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
the inheritance of property. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
So it's those kind of practical problems - | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
we're not talking large-scale repression | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
but things that affect people's everyday life - | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
that creates frustration and tension even in the '90s. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
Presbyterians found themselves in the situation in Ireland | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
where a confessional state had been set up, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
where your access to political and social power | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
was based on the religion you confessed. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
In other words, being a member of the established Church of Ireland. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
And those who weren't members of the established Church of Ireland - | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
the Catholic majority | 0:36:33 | 0:36:34 | |
and the Presbyterian community in the north of Ireland - | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
were excluded by penal laws | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
from access to full political and social power. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
And the best example of that was the so-called Sacramental Test | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
that was tacked on to the 1704 Popery Act. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
Presbyterians took grave offence to this, because they said, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
"Here we are defending the Protestant constitution | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
"at the Siege of Derry, and in 1704, we're being treated | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
"the exact same as the Catholics we were fighting against." | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
So Presbyterians found themselves | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
in a second-class if not third-class status by the early 18th century. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 |