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This is an amazing moment. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
When I started to make this documentary about Alex Salmond, | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
I thought it might be his political obituary | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
because Labour were ahead in the polls, favourites to win this election. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
Now he returns to Edinburgh in triumph, the only First Minister | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
to be re-elected for a second term and the first to have an overall | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
majority, with a mandate to put to the Scottish people a referendum on independence. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:42 | |
How did he do it? | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
'It's six o'clock on Tuesday the 5th of April. Good morning. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
'This is Today with Justin Webb and Evan Davis. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
'The headlines this morning - there is heavy fighting in and around Ivory Coast's biggest city. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
'UN helicopters have attacked the presidential compound. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
'Government plans to give poorer children a better hope...' | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
My political career was spent at Westminster. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
But because my mother is Scottish, I've often travelled north of the border. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
It's evident to me that in Scotland, politics is dominated by one man. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:29 | |
Alex Salmond, to my mind, is the only Scottish politician to have made most of his career | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
in Scottish politics who is well known in England. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
And, I dare say, internationally. I mean, I regard him as the outstanding Scottish politician, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
not to have come out of Scotland, but to have remained in Scotland. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
Since we sat together in the Westminster Parliament, he's quit | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
as leader of his party, bounced back and led it to power in Scotland. Remarkable. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
As he set off on the election trail this year, I wanted to understand this comeback kid. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:06 | |
There was one place I had to go. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
'It's eight o'clock. You're listening to Newsweek Scotland with Derek Bateman. Good morning. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
'Coming up in the next hour, we hear how the humble chocolate bar | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
'plays a role in the civil unrest in Ivory Coast. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
'And we say hello to our Scottish election panel.' | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
My Scottish family is from the east side, from Edinburgh. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
So I know Edinburgh much better than Glasgow. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
I have been to Glasgow quite a lot. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:31 | |
Now we're in the Glasgow Southside constituency. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
I don't know my way around here at all. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
Not really the kind of place that looks like a safe Tory seat! | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
But in this kind of constituency, I can see at first hand how | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
Alex Salmond has reached out beyond his traditional party heartland. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:56 | |
Hello, how are you? | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
-Not bad, yourself? -Very, very well. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
As ever, he greets me with a mix of charm and jibe. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:06 | |
-Not bad, not bad. -Very good. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
We'll need to get you incognito here. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
You were no pin-up here, were you? | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
No, not exactly. It's not good Tory territory. So, you're going out campaigning? | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
-Lovely day for it. -A month to go, but the campaign's hotting up quite nicely. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
-Good, good. So, what are you doing? Knocking on doors, or... -Everything. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
-You know that well enough. -And you feel confident? | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
Yes, I am. I mean, there's... | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
Yeah... Yes, I'm very confident, but nothing for granted. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
The usual things you say. Neck and neck and the rest of it. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
-Very good. We're going to... -You know Nicola? | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
I do, I know Nicola. And I'm very pleased to know Nicola indeed. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
-Good to see you. So, this is your patch? -It is indeed, yes. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
So we're going to trail around with you, if that's all right? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
Watch your style. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
Converting a small faction of protest into a party of government has depended at critical moments on | 0:03:51 | 0:03:58 | |
Alex Salmond's self-belief as a formidable campaigner. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
I'm here to see him in action. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
They'll probably be quite pleased to see us with our television camera and our boom microphone | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
because I know from canvassing and campaigning, nothing attracts | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
attention more than being followed around by a television camera. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
-You're familiar with Irn Bru? -Of course. -You cannae see, you know? | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
Right, right. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
This is the new me. The healthy option. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
-Thank you so much. -How you doing? -I'm good, how are you? | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
Seriously, you've got a chance of winning this time, have you? | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
We will win. But, you know, we've still got four weeks of the campaign. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
It's going to be a close-run thing, but we'll win. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
The Alex Salmond I know from the Commons does not lack self-confidence. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
But there's more to shaking hands and posing with babies than meets the eye. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
People need to like you - maybe even think you genuine. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
Politicians who are no good at it make you cringe. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
But do it well and it's votes in the ballot box. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
Takes after her dad! | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
Of course, in today's environment of political correctness, it simply isn't done to kiss a baby. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:15 | |
But Alex Salmond's technique, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
everything short of kissing the baby, was absolutely superb. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
You know, the trouble I'm having is I want to join in. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
-You're having such fun. -Well, that's right. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
I feel the hand going out to shake the voters. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
It must be so difficult for you. Old habits and all that. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
Absolutely. But, I mean, you're a natural at it, aren't you? You love campaigning, don't you? | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
Ah, great, aye. I've always loved campaigning. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
You've always had a reputation for being quite a private man, but you're very outgoing with people. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
-Mm-hm. -That's a slight dichotomy, there? | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
It's just... I mean, I think in terms of the | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
private stuff and family, that's really a Scottish tradition, Michael. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
We tend not to... That's been the Scottish habit | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
and I think that's the right thing to do, incidentally, in terms of your family life. You keep that... | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
But in terms of being out, you know, that's just the way I am. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
You can't actually put this on, incidentally. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
You either do it or you don't. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:20 | |
A shiver of discomfort at any mention of Alex Salmond's private life. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
Even those who are very close to him know not to ask after his brothers, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
sisters, his parents and so on. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
Because it will simply be closed down as a topic of conversation. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
And the remarkable thing about Alex Salmond's sense of privacy | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
is he operates in a political age in which entirely the opposite is expected of politicians. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:50 | |
Where they're supposed to bare their souls and talk at length about their | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
wives, children and their innermost thoughts and demons. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
Yet Alex Salmond has succeeded, despite not succumbing to that expectation. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:04 | |
But does his private life offer any clues to the man who would become the politician? | 0:07:06 | 0:07:12 | |
He grew up here, in Linlithgow. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
# The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want | 0:07:17 | 0:07:23 | |
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures... # | 0:07:23 | 0:07:29 | |
Alex Salmond's voice was first heard as a talented choirboy soprano. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:35 | |
And he's said that growing up amongst medieval walls inspired a lifelong love of Scottish history. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:42 | |
He said himself, and I think there's some truth in this, that his parents were | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
typically Scottish, in that they were nationalists with a small n. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
And this is despite the fact his mother was, as he described, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
a Churchill Conservative, and his father was quite a hard-left Labour supporter. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:58 | |
But they were both fiercely proud of being Scottish and, given | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
the surrounding Scottish traditions of the Kirk | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
and the distinct education system, Alex Salmond would inevitably have imbibed that feeling. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:11 | |
I can't resist speculating on how the locality's | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
forlorn and romantic history might have kindled Scottish patriotism | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
in Alex Salmond's receptive heart. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
As a boy, Alex Salmond would have known the palace at Linlithgow where Mary, Queen of Scots was born, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
who many people thought had a better claim to the throne of England than her cousin, Elizabeth. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:34 | |
Nonetheless, Mary was beheaded in an English castle at her cousin's orders. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
And that must have been enough to make the young boy seethe. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
And maybe this was what set Alex Salmond on his path to Nationalism. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
Why don't you say yes to the SNP next time? | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
It's your future and it's your country, you know. Good night. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
Alex Salmond said yes to the SNP | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
just weeks after arriving at St Andrews University in 1973. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:11 | |
The history and economics undergraduate joined just as the party took off. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:17 | |
In 1974, 11 Nationalist MPs were returned to Westminster. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:23 | |
Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, and to be young was very heaven. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
# It's plain to see you were meant for me | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
# I'm your boy your 20th century toy... # | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
And one future star of political journalism was watching throughout this period. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:40 | |
I recall Alex Salmond as a thin, rake-like figure. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
Mind you, I was a thin, rake-like figure in those days as well! | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Going around in a long coat and what was later described as a Maoist cap. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
But it was a little cap, perched upon his hair. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
His abiding characteristic then, and now, was a combination of very serious politics and mischief-making. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:05 | |
He cannot resist the temptation to make mischief with a political rival. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
While having that sense of mischief about politics and about | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
life, he also took himself exceptionally seriously. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
Everything was planned and calculated. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
In those days to do with student politics, now of course to do with the governance of Scotland. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:25 | |
We don't stand out at all, do we?! | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
I think student politicians are pretty weird. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
I mean, seriously, get a life. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
But I hoped they could give me some insight into what the young Alex Salmond was like. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:43 | |
Nah, not at all. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
I'm a Labour man. Been that all my days. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
Oh, that one wasn't so good. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
-No. -How's it been today, generally? | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
It's been quite a good day. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
-Just the occasional one you get that's not... -This is such a traditional Labour... | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
He was just saying, his father voted Labour, his father's father voted Labour. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
It's going to be very hard to change your opinion. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
Four this way, four down here. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
-Four this way, guys. -How strong does Nationalism run amongst students? | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
50-50, I'd say. You're either a very strong Unionist or a very strong Nationalist at the moment, I'd say. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
You actually want Scotland to become independent? | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
Yes, definitely. Fully independent. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
I believe by the time I'm 30 years old, I want full Scottish independence. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
-We can leave you a leaflet. You can consider it. -OK. -Take it easy. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
How does the name of Alex Salmond go down on the doorstep? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
Some people really like him, some people don't like him. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
The old Marmite thing. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
Yeah. Yeah. Whenever people like him, I go, "Well, yeah, he's fantastic, he's a good leader." | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
When people don't like him, I always try to say, "Well, it's not just about the individual character." | 0:11:57 | 0:12:03 | |
So it doesn't have to be about him. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
If you don't like him, fair enough, you can still like the SNP. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
The ability to ride two horses at once is a useful talent for a politician. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
Does Alex Salmond have it? | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
His past suggests that he does. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
Alex Salmond had a reputation as a young radical, yet his employment was anything but. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:29 | |
The young firebrand Nationalist moonlighted at the heart of the Edinburgh establishment. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:43 | |
For seven years, he worked for the bank as an economist and oil expert. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
He must have inhaled the fumes of free-market capitalism. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
Yet when the Government saved the bank from two takeover bids, he applauded state intervention. | 0:12:53 | 0:13:00 | |
Such paradoxes | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
have haunted Salmond's career. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
Can a tormented left-wing activist and a sated capitalist apparatchik | 0:13:09 | 0:13:16 | |
simultaneously inhabit one mind and body? | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
There has been that curious paradox, I think, since Salmond's period at the Royal Bank of Scotland between | 0:13:25 | 0:13:31 | |
a socially democratic Salmond, a centre-left instinct and the neo-liberal side. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:37 | |
It's fair to say that throughout his career Alex Salmond has been | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
consistently oleaginous, that is, convinced that oil is the key to Scotland's economy and politics. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:52 | |
The riches of the North Sea, lying in abundance off the Scottish | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
coast, have kept a flare burning for four decades in Alex Salmond's mind. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:03 | |
To an English politician such as I used to be, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
few phrases are as wearisome as "the claim to Scotland's oil". | 0:14:06 | 0:14:12 | |
The Scottish National Party won its seat at Westminster in 1967, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
about the time that North Sea oil was first discovered. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
And maybe that's not a coincidence, because the existence of those vast natural resources off-shore Scotland | 0:14:21 | 0:14:28 | |
helped many Scots to believe that Scotland could go it alone. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
And perhaps it also led to an increase in Scottish resentment, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
a feeling that the country would be able to live a life of luxury if it weren't for the beastly English. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:44 | |
The question of whether it's Scotland's oil has long fuelled the SNP's support. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
Even now, in 2011, it's a key part of their argument | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
that Scotland has the ability to stand on its own two feet. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
Looking out at the scale of the industry and the wealth that it has | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
brought, I can see that it's had a huge effect on Alex Salmond's vision for Scotland. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
I wanted to know more about the SNP leader's early years in the party, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:23 | |
so I went to meet one of the independence movement's best-known figures. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
Margo MacDonald was a member of the 1979 Group. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
That was a left-wing faction within the SNP. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
Membership of it got Alex Salmond suspended from the party for a period during the 1980s. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:43 | |
Margo and her husband, Jim Sillars, were close to the SNP leader once upon a time. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:49 | |
The pair of you will have known Alex Salmond since the early 1970s. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
From what you knew then, have you been surprised what a dominant figure he became in the party? | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
Oh, well, I thought he would be a future leader, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
because it's not so well known now, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
but Alex was one of the ones who were expelled in the early '80s. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
And one of the reasons I fought like mad - I didn't get expelled, for some reason - one of the reasons I | 0:16:08 | 0:16:13 | |
fought like mad to get him and Kenny MacAskill back in | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
was that I saw Alex as a potential leader, even then. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
Why did you see him as a potential leader? | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
He was very bright... | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
He had a toughness about him. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
Well, it wasn't so much that, but he was different | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
from the people who had led the Scottish National Party before. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
He was modern, and I thought that he could relate to modern Scotland far | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
better than the others did, without being injurious to their reputations. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
There had been a group of people | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
in the SNP who had been working to establish that | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
the natural position for the SNP in Scotland was left of centre. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
Jim's absolutely right, he was left of centre, and he was more clearly | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
willing to identify himself, as previous leaders of the SNP had been, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:05 | |
who probably were left of centre themselves but not as willing to announce it. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:11 | |
Alex Salmond's suspension would not be a life sentence. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
James Mitchell knew him throughout that period. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
In truth, the leadership were very worried about this. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
They didn't want to cause the trouble that was bound to arise | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
from the suspension, and they | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
certainly didn't want to lose people like Alex Salmond, with his talent. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
And so an agreement was reached, an accommodation, and so he was able to come back into the party. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:39 | |
And so the prodigal son was transformed into a favoured son. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
Well, we're joined now by Alex Salmond in Aberdeen, the new SNP MP for Banff and Buchan. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
-Congratulations. -Thank you. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Now, there's Alex Salmond, Margaret Ewing, Andrew Welsh. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
Would you like to be leader of the SNP? | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
Oh, I think that's a question for the future. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
Once in Westminster, the new MP wasn't going to slouch complacently on the green leather benches. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:20 | |
He was keen to make his mark in Westminster and with the voters back home. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:26 | |
Perhaps he was looking to join the ranks of Scotland's great heroes. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
I'm rather fond of some of them myself. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
And as for Alex Salmond, a graduate in medieval history, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
what better inspiration could there be than Scotland's bravest heart? | 0:18:45 | 0:18:51 | |
At the end of the 13th century, William Wallace fought for Scottish freedom, | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
won a famous victory here at Stirling and marched into England. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
During his time as an MP at Westminster, Alex Salmond took the fight to London, where Wallace | 0:19:05 | 0:19:11 | |
had been hung, drawn and quartered, and again fought for independence. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
I saw for myself a key Alex Salmond moment on Budget Day, 1988. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:25 | |
It was the period of high Thatcherism, and her chancellor, Nigel Lawson, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
announced a breathtaking cut in income tax, eliminating the rates for the highest earners. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:36 | |
Alex Salmond seized the moment, moved for the moral high ground | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
and launched his attack while the Chancellor spoke. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
I propose to abolish all the higher rates of income tax above 40 per cent. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:53 | |
SHOUTING | 0:19:53 | 0:19:54 | |
This... | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
Alex Salmond stood up, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
heckled Nigel Lawson | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
and brought the Budget to a halt. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
Order! | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
Order! | 0:20:08 | 0:20:09 | |
Deputy Speaker Harold Walker, Chairman of Ways and Means, has had to call for a vote | 0:20:09 | 0:20:15 | |
on whether Mr Alex Salmond should be expelled from the House of Commons. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
This is a big moment in the Alex Salmond story. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
I was there, and it was a masterly piece of political theatre. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
Alex Salmond got named, that is to say he got suspended. It's like a | 0:20:28 | 0:20:33 | |
red card in soccer. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
He had to leave the field. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
But more than that, we, all of us, had to vote to suspend Alex Salmond. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:42 | |
So the Budget is disrupted for the 15 minutes that it takes to hold a vote, and, I suppose, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:48 | |
by the end of the afternoon, from no-one knowing who Alex Salmond was, everybody knew who he was. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:55 | |
I beg to move that Mr Salmond... | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
I beg to move that Mr Salmond be suspended from proceedings... | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
Does this episode explain the knack he has for achieving useful notoriety? | 0:21:05 | 0:21:11 | |
Around that time, Alex Salmond and Michael Russell were becoming close allies. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:18 | |
You go back with Alex Salmond to the mid-1980s. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Did you approve of those sorts of tactics? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
I approved enormously of that tactic. I knew he was thinking about it, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
and I remember I sent him a message immediately afterwards, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
expressing my excitement that he'd done it. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
We needed to express the anger that was felt in Scotland, particularly about the poll tax. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
We needed to protest, we needed to be heard. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
One of the great issues, at that time, was there were a large number of Labour MPs from Scotland - | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
we used to call them the Feeble 50 at that stage - | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
who never said or did anything, were never heard protesting about anything. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
It was important that the Scottish voice was heard, and Alex was the person to articulate it. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
And Alex Salmond's ability to grab the limelight would pay off in 1990. | 0:21:54 | 0:22:00 | |
Margaret Ewing MP, 186. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Alex Salmond MP, 486. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
CHEERING | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
# I'm on my way, I'm making it... # | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
In the 1990s, Alex Salmond dominated his party. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
From the start, he set the SNP in opposition to both the Conservatives and the burgeoning New Labour party. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:29 | |
# So much larger than life... # | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
The Labour leadership may win the battle for the yuppie votes | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
in the south, we're going to win the battle for the hearts and minds of the Scottish people. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:42 | |
With so many early years spent in opposition, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
perhaps he's been allowed to enjoy his fame more than most. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:50 | |
And with Paul Merton tonight is a media pundit, TV celebrity and quiz | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
panellist, except for viewers in Scotland, where apparently he's some sort of politician - Alex Salmond! | 0:22:54 | 0:23:01 | |
But on the whole, his political opponents have learnt to take | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
Alex Salmond seriously as a television performer. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
Alex Salmond. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
Donald, Labour have won elections in Scotland over the last 13 years. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
At the last election, you had an unprecedented victory, winning 50 seats. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
With all that voting power over that period of time, can you | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
name tonight one single industry that you have saved from closure? | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
-Pass! -No, not pass at all. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
-Donald, you answer the question... -There was a debate at the Usher Hall in Edinburgh in 1992, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
at which he did very well, then a head-to-head with George Robertson, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
who was then Shadow Scottish Secretary, a few years later, at which he did very well again. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
Otherwise, Alex Salmond is not a good debater. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
He's a good shouter, and he's very sharp. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
That doesn't make him a talented debater. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
During this year's campaign, I snuck behind the scenes into | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
the back of the television studio to watch his style. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
So, here we are early in the election campaign, and the four leaders are gathering | 0:24:15 | 0:24:22 | |
in a studio in Glasgow. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
..talking about the issues that matter to you. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
We're going to see Alex Salmond.. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
..Annabel Goldie of the Scottish Conservatives, the SNP's Alex Salmond, Iain Gray from | 0:24:28 | 0:24:33 | |
Scottish Labour and the Scottish Liberal Democrats' Tavish Scott. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
Thank you all very much indeed for coming in for this special programme. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
Let's start with what we all know and we can all presumably agree on, which is that the public are | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
extremely wary of cuts and what the cuts are going to mean for them. So this is a chance... | 0:24:46 | 0:24:53 | |
And that's... | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
We're making progress. This is progress. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
ALL TALK OVER EACH OTHER | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
If you undertake to talk to the Government, which | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
we will bring forward, and I'm glad we're operating on the assumption... | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
..then we'll talk to you, as we talk to the other parties... | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
On that positive note... | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
We can surely come to an agreement on this. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
Alex Salmond has a reputation for being very quick. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
A moment there where Iain Gray, the Labour leader in Scotland, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
appeared to imply that after the election, there's going to | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
be an SNP government talking about whether they could do a deal on a particular piece of legislation. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
Alex Salmond says straightaway, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
"You're working on the assumption that I'm going to get back into power." | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
You all talk to different voters, don't you? | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
ALL TALK OVER EACH OTHER | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
The voters I'm speaking to, Iain, are desperately disappointed with Labour. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
Quite clearly, for neither Tavish nor Annabel, what the coalition is doing... | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
As we come to the end of this debate, Alex Salmond has only really been gored once. | 0:25:53 | 0:26:00 | |
A little blood was drawn on the issue of his promise to | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
replace the council tax with local income tax and then the accusation | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
that he went to court in order to stop the true cost of his proposals being revealed to the public. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
He looked a bit uncomfortable at that point. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
Otherwise, he's been landing blows with his usual gay abandon. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
Before she left the building, I sought my former party colleague's view of her opponent. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:30 | |
I think he's been a big beast in Scottish politics, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
and it would be, I think, churlish to deny that. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
He has a political competence, he has a charisma, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
and he certainly has established himself over the years as | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
a significant figure in the political environment. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
I think one of his personal traits can be | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
a rather, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:52 | |
at times, overbearing personal demeanour. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
He likes to get things his own way, he likes to | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
be the big beast in the jungle, he likes to try and dominate debate and discussion. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
And, I mean, I certainly think it's my duty to stand up to that and to challenge that. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:11 | |
The ability to craft a soundbite | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
or to beat an opponent at a hustings are important. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
But there's more than that to political effectiveness. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:29 | |
The qualities of great leaders like Churchill and Margaret Thatcher, for whom I worked, are of course | 0:27:32 | 0:27:38 | |
that they lead from the front, they have an extraordinary sense of purpose and great courage. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:44 | |
And I wouldn't exactly compare Alex Salmond to Churchill or Thatcher, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
but he does have some characteristics which are important in a leader. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
He has a sense of destiny and he has flexibility, he changes his mind, because very often a great leader | 0:27:52 | 0:27:58 | |
knows the destination but doesn't go straight to it, but rather tacks along the way. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:04 | |
And that quality of political rubberiness would be needed by Alex Salmond throughout the 1990s. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:16 | |
In 1992, the SNP hoped to gain from the unpopularity in Scotland of the Conservatives. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:23 | |
But Scotland voted Labour, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
even as the rest of the UK rejected Neil Kinnock. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
Very difficult to cope with the Labour Party argument that | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
Neil Kinnock had the keys of Number 10 Downing Street in his hands. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
If that turns out to be a false prospectus and if Labour lose this election, then I think the Labour | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
leadership in Scotland are going to have some immediate explaining to do | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
to the Scottish people, and I think the Scottish people will take their | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
revenge on the Labour party in the May local election, on 7th May, when Scotland goes to the polls again. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:59 | |
There would be no great breakthrough for the SNP at Westminster elections. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
But Salmond's flexibility and leadership skills would come to the fore in 1997. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:11 | |
He was about to help make history. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
Scotland's history matters to Alex Salmond and features in his argument for independence. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:25 | |
Here in Edinburgh in the late 1990s, a creaking sound | 0:29:25 | 0:29:30 | |
echoed through the streets - heralding that Scotland's Parliament was rising from its grave. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:37 | |
-Good evening! -Good evening. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
Welcome to the Witchery Murder and Mystery Tour. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
My name is Adam Lyle, deceased. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
'Walking these streets, you get a feel for the Scottish capital's long and colourful past. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:50 | |
'Was it a sense of history which prompted Alex Salmond | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
'to join Labour and the Liberal Democrats to campaign for a Yes vote in the devolution referendum? | 0:29:53 | 0:30:00 | |
'They walked together towards the historic election of 1999, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
'which would bring the parliament back to life. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
'But the goodwill forged during the long referendum campaign would not last.' | 0:30:06 | 0:30:11 | |
Thank you all very much and good night. Thank you. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
'In an often bad-tempered campaign, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
'Alex Salmond, as a potential First Minister, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
'was put under more intense scrutiny than ever before. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
'His poll ratings slid, and his Penny for Scotland policy, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
'a promise to use the income tax raising power of the new parliament, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
'didn't go down well with voters or some in his own party.' | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
What went wrong? | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
I don't know that anything went wrong. I think they got what they deserved. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:49 | |
Well, you were pretty critical at the time. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
No, no. I offered helpful comments, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
which were always interpreted as just being straight criticism. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
Can you remind us of the helpful comments? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Och, I can't remember what I said now. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
-But it would all be true, I'm sure. -What about A Penny for Scotland? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
Och, that was nonsense. That was absolute... | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
-That was absolute nonsense, and I said so. -That's a helpful comment? | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
Ah, well, they dropped it. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
They dropped the Penny for Scotland thing, because I was right. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
I don't want to dwell on anything like that. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
Some of the SNP may want to, but I think most of them don't. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
I think most of them want to forget that embarrassment. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
It would be a hard lesson. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
You don't see today's Alex Salmond giving such hostages to fortune. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:42 | |
I think the problem with Penny for Scotland | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
was the party talked a great deal about how it raised the money, not how it spent it. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
I think that's something that sometimes happens when you talk about taxation. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
I think we needed a much greater focus in 1999 about what that money would buy. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
So I think that's a collective issue. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
And indeed I was deeply involved in the Penny for Scotland issue. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
I think, recognising now what happened, I think that's probably a critique I would make. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
And then there were Alex Salmond's comments on the NATO bombing of Serbia. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:10 | |
It is an action of dubious legality, but above all one of unpardonable folly. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
'One of the SNP candidates for that parliament was Duncan Hamilton, | 0:32:16 | 0:32:21 | |
'a rising star who was close to the leader.' | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
I suspect for Alex the criticism that he got over Kosovo | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
might be a low point. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
And I say that not because he thinks for a minute | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
that he was wrong about that, but because it unleashed, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
in the middle of an election campaign, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
something that was able to be twisted and turned against the SNP. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
And turned it, in the middle of the campaign, into a real problem. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
And I think it may be well be that he looks back on that and thinks | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
that whilst he may have been right in saying it at that time, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
it may or may not have been the wisest move. But that's my guess. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
'Alex Salmond's outburst may have been politically costly. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
'Had this man, often criticised for over-calculating his positions, | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
'simply exposed a powerful inner conviction whose authenticity has since proved attractive?' | 0:33:08 | 0:33:16 | |
Kosovo, you've got to remember Alex believes and feels things very passionately. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
He believed utterly that this was wrong, it was adventurism. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
He spoke, I would think, for the whole SNP in that. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
And I would much, much, much rather be in a party | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
with a leader that does that than a leader who is mealy-mouthed when it comes to issues of real principle. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
'But in that first election to the Scottish Parliament | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
'the SNP came a poor second with 35 MSPs, 21 fewer than Labour. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:47 | |
'Alex Salmond, as leader, carried the responsibility.' | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
The election of 1999 was a disappointing result. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
-Would you accept that? -I think it was less than we had hoped for, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
but more than we might have anticipated even two or three years earlier. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
I think expectations were perhaps very unrealistic. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
We had a lot still to do in 1999, although we had done a lot. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
After nearly 300 years, Scotland once more had a parliament. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
Yet, even as one of its champions, Alex Salmond was evidently burdened with disappointment. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:24 | |
Even self-doubt. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
Having played a key role in the successful campaign for a Yes vote on devolution, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
Alex Salmond was elected to the first Scottish Parliament of modern times | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
that sat here in the Assembly Hall of the Church of Scotland. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
But, surprisingly, he didn't shine in the new role. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
And within a year he was under fierce attack from hostile media. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:54 | |
He probably struggled to adapt from Westminster to the Scottish Parliament, initially. | 0:34:54 | 0:35:00 | |
Much was written at the time about him failing to score points at First Minister's Questions in opposition. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:06 | |
I don't think that's particularly fair | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
because I think the Scottish Parliament is not really set up for opposition parties. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
But Alex is a Westminster politician. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
He loves the clash and clamour, he loves the cut and thrust across the debating chamber. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:22 | |
And to be brought into an environment which is all about consensus, cuddly politics, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:27 | |
I think, for him, was not necessarily a natural transition. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
Just one year into the new parliament, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
Alex Salmond brought his decade-long leadership of the party to an abrupt end. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:41 | |
I have invested a great deal of time, particularly over the last year, in developing the position the SNP | 0:35:41 | 0:35:48 | |
as a strong team of people who are capable of taking Scotland forward. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
And I think, after ten years, it's time to allow someone in that team of people, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
that strong team that we've seen developing in the Scots Parliament, the chance to show what they can do. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:02 | |
11 years later, and here's the same man | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
attempting to win an unprecedented second term as First Minister. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
How can such success and self-confidence | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
have returned to a man who a decade ago was dubbed by some a quitter? | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
While he was on the campaign trail I asked him why he threw in the towel back in 2000. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:27 | |
I'd done ten years. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
It's quite interesting. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
I came to believe that... | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
Because I couldn't understand why we were getting such bad press. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
We were ahead in the polls, we were doing all right, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
and yet were getting absolute lumps knocked out of us. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
And I couldn't recognise what was actually happening in the parliament with the description of it. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:50 | |
I got it into my head that the problem had become me. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
The press, because I'd had ten years, basically a charmed existence, nobody had laid a finger on me. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
And I began to believe that basically they'd got fed up of having me there. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
Probably the press, as opposed to the people. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
And basically, the party would do better if someone had a fresh start and a decent run at it. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
Over the next few years, he steered his career in a different direction and regained his fighting spirit. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:18 | |
He left the Scottish Parliament and led his party at Westminster. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq aroused his passionate opposition. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:27 | |
He was prominent on the UK national stage, making an increasingly popular case. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:34 | |
A month ago he said the only circumstances he would go to war without a second resolution | 0:37:34 | 0:37:40 | |
were if the inspectors concluded there was no more progress, which they haven't. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
If there was a majority in the Security Council, which there's not. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
And there was an unreasonable veto from one country. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
There are three countries, permanent members, opposed to the Prime Minister's policy. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:55 | |
When did he change his position and why? | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
'Apparently, the aggression of Westminster suited Alex Salmond | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
'better than the rainbow politics of Edinburgh. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
'Or perhaps it had simply revived him. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
'When John Swinney stepped down as leader, the heavens seemed to send Alex Salmond a sign. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:17 | |
'The SNP leader likes Indian food - a lot. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:27 | |
'This restaurant is said to be his favourite haunt. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
'And one of those who whetted his appetite for a return to Edinburgh | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
'says that curry was part of the mix.' | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
In 2004, when Alex Salmond has been out of the leadership for four years, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
you, amongst others, encourage him to come back, I think with a series of curry dinners. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
Why did you think he should return? | 0:38:47 | 0:38:48 | |
The choice of what was next was quite a difficult one. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
They had three very, very strong candidates. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
But there was no really emerging new leadership figure | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
or agenda at the time. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
And so it just struck a few of us | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
that there was an opportunity here not to be missed. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
That, you know, Alex would be able to galvanise | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
what was clearly emerging as a big opportunity to replace Labour in government. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:13 | |
I was spending a lot of time in London myself. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
Angus Robertson, who's now the SNP's Westminster leader, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
spent a lot of time in one of Alex's favourite Pimlico curry houses, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:25 | |
basically ruminating on the problem and what could be done about it. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
And I can't quite remember the full detail, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
but I do recall that by the end of it he had determined | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
this could be put together and a case for returning could be made. So he was up for it. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
'Was it vanity that prompted his comeback, a belief that he was indispensable? | 0:39:39 | 0:39:46 | |
'Or did he feel the call of duty, believing that if he did not step up, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
'the party would take a wrong turn?' | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
In a sense, he had to be persuaded to come back, but it was more a sense | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
of obligation and duty, if truth be told, than it was anything to do with ego. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:01 | |
I often laugh when people say | 0:40:01 | 0:40:02 | |
he couldn't bear to be out the limelight and desperately pushed people aside to come back. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:07 | |
It's not how it was. It simply wasn't how it was. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
And that's to misunderstand both the moment and the man. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
So your voice was one of those that was whispering, "Return!" | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
Well, I mean, I'm a fan of his in the sense of I think he adds something to the party | 0:40:16 | 0:40:23 | |
that the party doesn't otherwise have, and I think at that time, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
given where the party could have gone, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
it was important that he did come back. So I think there was a danger. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
I mean, I don't remember being somebody who was so utterly convinced that he must come back at all costs. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:39 | |
'In order to come back, Alex Salmond had to muster all the flexibility - | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
'or perhaps rubberiness - that good political leaders possess.' | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
If nominated. I'll decline. If drafted, I'll defer. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
And if elected, I'll resign. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
So it is then with a degree of surprise and humility but with a renewed determination | 0:40:55 | 0:41:01 | |
that I must tell you that I am a candidate for the leadership of the Scottish National Party. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:07 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
And the man who had once ascended from party exile to party leader | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
pulled off another remarkable resurrection. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
'Alex Salmond MP,' | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
4,952 votes, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
or 75.76% of the vote. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
Nicola and I intend to win the 2007 elections in Scotland, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
and we'll do that by offering a vision to the people where currently there's just a vacuum, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:51 | |
and we intend to lead a government of purpose and direction, so that we can offer the people of this nation | 0:41:51 | 0:41:57 | |
the opportunity to move forward to independence, democracy and equality. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:03 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
Whether Salmond possesses courage or merely chutzpah, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
I believe the key is the thrill that he derives from risk. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
-How are you? -How are you doing, Michael? Good to see you. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
-Nice to see you. -Good to see a proper Tory. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
There's a horse running on Thursday I'm quite interested in. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
-What's that? -Alex Salmond. What odds? | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
He's a certainty. He's 4/6. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
He'll win the election. I'll be voting for him. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
Alex Salmond is famously something of a betting man, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
a punter who knows the form and generally keeps his nose ahead. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
So, the horse that attracts me in the 3:15, for obvious reasons, is Blue Bunting. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:48 | |
However, it says here, "Bare form, nothing to write home about, and she looks vulnerable to speedier sorts." | 0:42:48 | 0:42:54 | |
Sounds like she's got about the same chance as the blues in this election. | 0:42:54 | 0:43:00 | |
Have a Mario Lanza on it. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
Go on, two quid at 150/1, Wing And A Prayer. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
Wing And A Prayer for the Tories! Cos that's what they're on. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
-Right, Michael. -Great. I'll be back to collect later. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
Right. See, if that wins, I'll polish your shoes. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
Come on, Wing And A Prayer. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
Ohhh... | 0:43:23 | 0:43:24 | |
Come on, Wing And A Prayer! | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
Come on, Wing And A Prayer! | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
It came last. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:42 | |
Alex Salmond promised his party that he would win | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
20 first-past-the-post seats, way more than they'd ever managed before. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
He said he would defeat Labour and become First Minister. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
And to make things a little more interesting, he upped the stakes. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:05 | |
For the 2007 Scottish Parliamentary elections, that seasoned tipster Alex Salmond decided to have a punt. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:13 | |
He put his name forward for the constituency of Gordon. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
It was long odds, because the Liberal Democrats had a majority there of more than 4,000 votes. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:22 | |
But Salmond decided that that was where he would place his bet. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
Well, he's a natural gambler, he assesses these things well. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
But yes, of course it was a gamble. But given his ability, given his ability to campaign, | 0:44:32 | 0:44:37 | |
given his reputation, I think it was one that was going to pay off. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
I thought that from the very beginning. And it did pay off. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
He's got a favourite saying, which is from the Marquis of Montrose. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
"He either fears his fate too much | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
"or his desserts are small, | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
"who will not put it to the touch to win or lose it all." | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
He quotes that from time to time. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
He also lives his political life like that, and it tends to work out well for him. | 0:44:55 | 0:45:00 | |
Is this love of the high-wire act critical to his enjoyment of politics? | 0:45:00 | 0:45:06 | |
So he's a bit like, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
I recognise this in myself to some extent, one of these people | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
who is exhilarated by the thought that they'd go to the chamber | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
and they don't know that day whether they're going to survive or perish. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
The difference between triumph and disaster thrills them. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
Absolutely, but you know, if you show me any serious politician who is not fuelled by adrenaline, | 0:45:25 | 0:45:32 | |
and that means thirsting after success, desperately wanting it | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
and desperately trying to avoid disaster but really enjoying walking along the precipice, | 0:45:36 | 0:45:42 | |
and it makes victory all the sweeter. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
'Securing the winning ticket is a very sweet moment, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:50 | |
'as Alex Salmond found in 2007. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
'As the final results trickled in, the First Minister in waiting seized the moment.' | 0:45:54 | 0:46:00 | |
In the day, the hours following the Scottish Parliament election, | 0:46:02 | 0:46:07 | |
it's not yet clear who's come first, but it is appearing to be going in the SNP's direction. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:13 | |
Now, the SNP had pre-booked Prestonfield House Hotel in Edinburgh. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
It's set amidst beautiful, beautiful grounds, it was a very sunny day in May 2007, | 0:46:17 | 0:46:22 | |
and they've hired a helicopter | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
to get Alex Salmond from his constituency down to Edinburgh on the Friday afternoon. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:30 | |
So that touches down, you know, with the press gathered. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
It all looks extremely presidential. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
He loves the big event and he loves being the centre of attention, as most politicians do. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:47 | |
It was very, very touch and go as to which party would actually be the largest party. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:52 | |
The speech that I drafted as he was coming down | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
specifically left an area to say that we don't quite know how this is going to pan out, but by the time you land, | 0:46:55 | 0:47:01 | |
hopefully we'll be in a position to say that we are the largest party. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
Salmond then emerges, and after a break he walks up to this podium | 0:47:05 | 0:47:10 | |
emblazoned with the SNP logo, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
with, again, journalists and cameramen gathered round | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
and delivers a very nice, very moving speech. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
Alasdair Gray once wrote, | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
"Work as though you lived in the early days of a better nation". | 0:47:20 | 0:47:25 | |
Our commitment to Scotland is this - we will work, | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
and these ARE the days of a better nation. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:34 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:35 | |
And he gives the appearance of a winner. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
In terms of establishing that momentum, it was very effective. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
Jack McConnell, the leader of the Labour party, meanwhile, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
is on a back street in Glasgow looking very much like a loser. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
He is an adrenaline junkie in that way, | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
and that's why he loves campaigns - he loves the attention. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
You know, not in a particularly egotistical way, | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
just because if you're someone who thinks you've got a message, | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
the idea of having the eyes of the world upon you to deliver that message | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
is as good as it gets in politics. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
So of course he's a showman, but rather that than dreary, dull and utterly uninspiring. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:20 | |
Now, if the SNP had emerged as not winning the election and Labour had, | 0:48:20 | 0:48:24 | |
it all of course would have looked tremendously silly and presumptuous, | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
but it didn't. That was the crucial thing. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
It looked presidential, it looked as if Salmond was going to win the election, and he did. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
The gamble had paid off. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
Alex Salmond was elected for the first time to the parliament sitting at Holyrood as the MSP for Gordon. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:45 | |
Within a few days he was elected First Minister of Scotland, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
the one and only position in government that he's ever held. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:54 | |
'Having made the long journey to First Minister, | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
'what style and qualities did he bring to government?' | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
I think he's restored people's faith in the Scottish Parliament. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
Things were getting to a bit of a low ebb after two coalition administrations. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
I think that what we've done is shown that competent government in Scotland | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
can take place and can be good for Scotland, and I think Alex has been very much a figurehead of that. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:18 | |
I think he's also made Scottish politics more interesting. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
'A view not shared by his political rivals.' | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
If you look at the catastrophe of the Scottish banks, | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
that wasn't made in London, that was made in Edinburgh. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
And, you know, this is the man who actually said | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
that he personally approved the RBS takeover of the Dutch bank ABN. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
Well, if he did, then that says something about his judgment. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
His energy policy, you know, it is just pie in the sky. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:43 | |
And, you know, he is very rarely questioned about these things, | 0:49:43 | 0:49:48 | |
and the result is that he's got away with bringing about a situation | 0:49:48 | 0:49:53 | |
where even to question him is to be accused of negativity. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
I would classify the SNP government and the members of the leadership | 0:49:57 | 0:50:03 | |
after the 2007 election as falling into the trap of managerialism. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
Now, I understood that they had to prove themselves credible, and they certainly did. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:12 | |
They were far better than the previous Labour people. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
But then the managerialism became all. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
-They never campaigned outside that chamber at all. -For independence? | 0:50:17 | 0:50:22 | |
For anything, as a matter of fact. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
'There's an interesting question there.' | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
'Have the ease and status of high office subdued Alex Salmond's passion to set Scotland free?' | 0:50:27 | 0:50:34 | |
You look very comfortable as First Minister. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
Well, I should hope so. Do you want me to be uncomfortable? | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
-No, but I think you just look a bit too comfortable. -Oh, I see, I see. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
The last thing they like in London is a Scot who looks comfortable. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:49 | |
You should look at... Actually, it's not Scots who look comfortable you want to watch out for. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:54 | |
What is it PG Wodehouse said? | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
"It's not difficult to tell the difference between a ray of sunshine and a Scot with a grievance." | 0:50:56 | 0:51:01 | |
I've talked to you while campaigning. Have you been campaigning for independence? | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
All my life I've campaigned for independence. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
It's not featured much in this campaign. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
Well, because we took the decision in 2004, when I came back as leader, | 0:51:09 | 0:51:15 | |
that we'd pursue independence in terms of a referendum policy. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
-That's the right way to do it. -Did you hold a referendum? | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
Well, Michael, I got beaten three times in votes in the Scottish Parliament, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
and it would have been very foolish for me to give my political opponents | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
the satisfaction of stomping all over my referendum bill when I knew what they were going to do. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:33 | |
There will be a time when they won't be stomping over too much. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
I've witnessed a small sample of Alex Salmond's campaigning energy. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:44 | |
He's been on the stump since he was a teenager, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
and despite some spectacular setbacks and years of frustration, | 0:51:48 | 0:51:52 | |
he's sat right back and started all over again. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
As one who's had his ups and downs in politics, | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
I wondered whether it was the bear pit of Scottish politics that had given him that resilience. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:04 | |
I think there's a tendency in the Scottish National Party to recognise how great the odds are against you | 0:52:04 | 0:52:10 | |
and therefore always to be prepared to come back no matter what happens. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
You've got to remember, Alex is of a generation in the SNP, as I am, | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
where, with the exception of the 1970s, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
it was a pretty miserable time in the early '60s, '70s, early '80s, certainly through the '80s. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:26 | |
So in those circumstances you've got to, if you're going to stay in politics, be resilient. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
But he's resilient as a human being, without a doubt. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
'During the course of making this film, I watched an amazing shift in public support. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:38 | |
'Going into the election, Labour led in the polls. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:42 | |
'But the campaign produced perhaps the biggest turnaround in any modern British election.' | 0:52:42 | 0:52:48 | |
Politicians pretend to ignore opinion polls. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
Yeah, right(!) Good polls fire your adrenaline, and bad polls make you want to hide away. | 0:52:53 | 0:53:00 | |
The prediction was that Alex Salmond could achieve something close to an overall majority. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:07 | |
I'm told that those close to him were sceptical that things could be that good. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:12 | |
In fact, they turned out better. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
-TV: -'..the Scottish National Party, SNP, 140,749 votes.' | 0:53:25 | 0:53:32 | |
Torrance, David. Scottish National Party, 12,579 votes. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:39 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
'I declare David Torrance elected to serve in the Scottish Parliament' | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
as a member for the Kirkcaldy constituency. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
'After the SNP landslide, this is a changed Scotland. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:58 | |
'The party asked, keep Alex Salmond as First Minister. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
'And the voters duly did. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
'Scotland said yes not to independence but to Alex Salmond, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:09 | |
'for his competence, charisma, gambles and showmanship. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:14 | |
'They've handed him an overall majority. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
'Now nothing can stop him bringing forward a referendum on Scotland's future. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:22 | |
'How close is he now to delivering independence?' | 0:54:22 | 0:54:27 | |
If the SNP were to change its tactic and its narrative, I think it would find itself so close to independence | 0:54:27 | 0:54:35 | |
it would probably frighten it, because although people are not interested per se | 0:54:35 | 0:54:40 | |
in independence or devolution or any other constitutional question, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:45 | |
they are interested in how they live their life | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
and what future their children are likely to have | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
and in how services are delivered in present-day Scotland. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:56 | |
And if it is proved to them, | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
if they come to believe that these would be better delivered by a sovereign Scottish parliament, | 0:55:00 | 0:55:06 | |
then people would vote for that. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
Can we unionists be confident that he won't win a referendum on independence? | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
Nobody going into a referendum can be confident that they're going to win on either side. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
This has to be fought for. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
I think a lot of the people who voted for the nationalists | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
at the Scottish election weren't voting for independence. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
The big question as to whether or not we remain part of the United Kingdom | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
and how that affects each and every one of us and our children and generations to come, | 0:55:30 | 0:55:35 | |
that's one that has got to be fought in detail, which is why there has to be the political space, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:39 | |
whether Alex Salmond likes it nor not, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
to be critical of what he is saying, because some of it, frankly, doesn't stand up. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
Let me summarise now the strength of Alex Salmond's position to you. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
When there comes to be a referendum on independence, the Yes campaign will be led by Alex Salmond. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
The No campaign will be led by who? | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
Well, that depends when the referendum is. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
But my guess is it will be led by people from right across the spectrum. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
But, you know, the people in Scotland are, you know, very aware of what's at stake here. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:08 | |
This isn't going to be a beauty contest. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
You know, this is something that would happen, and if it happened, it would happen forever. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:15 | |
Perhaps so, but what sort of autonomy might be offered to the Scots in a referendum? | 0:56:15 | 0:56:20 | |
I think the SNP'S been on a journey these last few years. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
In the past, when power was a distant prospect, independence was simply a slogan. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:29 | |
As they've gained power, they're having to think about it, they're having to mature. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
And the notion of independence, I think, is in transition. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
I think we're going to move to an ever-looser union. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
That's what the SNP will understand. There will always be a United Kingdom in some shape or form. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:45 | |
The SNP isn't yet ready to say that, but that's where they're heading, | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
I suspect, a more confederal-type relationship. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
Maybe, maybe this election result will give the SNP leadership | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
the courage to say what I believe they actually think. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:59 | |
This is Kirkcaldy, where my mother grew up. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
They've elected Labour politicians here since the 1930s. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:09 | |
Last week, the Holyrood seat was won by the SNP. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:14 | |
It was the 65th seat to return a Scottish Nationalist, | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
the constituency that guaranteed Alex Salmond's absolute majority. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:23 | |
Understandably, it made him happy. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
Well, ladies and gentlemen, | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
Kirkcaldy's my kind of town. LAUGHTER | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
It's my kind, too. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
Believe it or not, I used to sunbathe on the beach here during childhood holidays. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:41 | |
'After weeks of following this historic campaign, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
'I think I understand the Alex Salmond phenomenon. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
'But the election result has thrown up a bigger question concerning the future of the United Kingdom.' | 0:57:47 | 0:57:55 | |
People in Scotland tell me there's little support for independence. | 0:57:56 | 0:58:00 | |
But as the recent referendum in the UK on the alternative vote shows, opinion shifts fast. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:06 | |
And the First Minister's recent landslide re-election shows that he's persuasive. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:12 | |
Soon, there will be a referendum on a whole new relationship between England and Scotland. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:19 | |
Have a flutter on it if you like. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:21 | |
But you don't often make money betting against Alex Salmond. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
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