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Now on BBC News - in January 2017
Finland began a bold | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
social experiment: the government
started paying 2,000 unemployed | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
Finns a basic income. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
It's free money - it comes
with no strings attached. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
In this special programme,
we follow the stories of four Finns | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
to see if the scheme has helped them
get back into work. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
In January 2017, Finland began a
bold social experiments. The | 0:00:30 | 0:00:37 | |
government started paying 2000
unemployed Finns Basic income. They | 0:00:37 | 0:00:45 | |
each get a guaranteed 560 euros a
month for two years. It is free | 0:00:45 | 0:00:50 | |
money. It comes with no strings
attached. You could say that basing | 0:00:50 | 0:00:56 | |
income is money for free, because
you don't have to feel any | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
conditions to get it. -- fulfil any
conditions. Basic income is an idea | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
that has gained some high profile
champions, from market Burke to Elon | 0:01:04 | 0:01:11 | |
musk to Bernie Sanders. This
experiment is being closely followed | 0:01:11 | 0:01:19 | |
I policymakers around the world. We
have been following for Mac people | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
who have been chosen to receive
basic income. It was like winning a | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
lottery. I think I am much more
inspired to get a job. Has it | 0:01:27 | 0:01:34 | |
changed their lives? Could change
society? I am feeling more and more | 0:01:34 | 0:01:42 | |
free and independent. I felt more
comfortable to maybe open up my | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
business again. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
My name is Tanya. I am 30 years old,
I live in Oulu in the north of | 0:01:59 | 0:02:08 | |
Finland, and I only worked for four
or five months in a factory. I know | 0:02:08 | 0:02:14 | |
that Oulu has some problems with
unemployment, but I know there is | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
also job is here. Tanya has been in
full-time education for most of her | 0:02:17 | 0:02:24 | |
life, and has never had a long-term
job. That is not unusual for people | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
in Oulu, a town 100 miles south of
the Arctic Circle where she has | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
spent all of her life. The
unemployment rate here is 15%, twice | 0:02:32 | 0:02:38 | |
the national average. I went to Oulu
University, applied sciences. It is | 0:02:38 | 0:02:44 | |
always so hard to get the first real
job. You have great papers, but then | 0:02:44 | 0:02:52 | |
they look, you have no experience.
Now that I graduated from the | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
business School, they are offering
me jobs like... Cafeteria worker? I | 0:02:56 | 0:03:06 | |
am a bit worried that I can't any
more pay my bills, I don't remember | 0:03:06 | 0:03:12 | |
the last time that I went to the
store and bought food. I get food | 0:03:12 | 0:03:18 | |
from my mum, so embarrassing. I want
to work, and I want to go to the | 0:03:18 | 0:03:27 | |
store. And by my own food, and by
whatever I want, I want that cheese, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:33 | |
and I want to be able to buy the
good cheese, you know? Even if Tanya | 0:03:33 | 0:03:41 | |
gets a job, she will still get the
full basic income every month. But | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
she is not convinced the experiment
will make any difference to her. I | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
opened the letter and said" you are
selected to get the basic income." I | 0:03:51 | 0:03:57 | |
was like yeah, yeah! Then I
realised, I read the paper down, and | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
they said that if you are not
working, your benefits will be the | 0:04:02 | 0:04:09 | |
same. I was like, oh. The benefit
from the basic income comes only | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
when you get a job. You get the job,
like, 1500 euros, and on top of that | 0:04:13 | 0:04:24 | |
you get the basic income. But the
government wants to see whether the | 0:04:24 | 0:04:32 | |
way people receive the money will
change their behaviour. There is no | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
means testing, no requirements to
apply for jobs. So the government | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
would like to find out what is the
effect of basic income on the | 0:04:40 | 0:04:46 | |
employment rate of this particular
group. Tanya is not convinced it | 0:04:46 | 0:04:53 | |
will help her find a job, and she
thinks it is unrealistic that the | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
government could roll out the scheme
nationally. It's just not possible | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
to give everyone in Finland, 5
million people, 560 euros a month. I | 0:05:00 | 0:05:07 | |
don't see it happening. The Finnish
government isn't going to assess the | 0:05:07 | 0:05:13 | |
pilot until the two year experiment
is finished. So far it is quietly | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
optimistic about how the pilot is
going, but there are concerns about | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
the cost. I think we have some data
to prove that this is if not a | 0:05:22 | 0:05:30 | |
glorious success story, it has very
positive aspects. Now we are making | 0:05:30 | 0:05:35 | |
this experiment, it is very
generous, and it would be too | 0:05:35 | 0:05:41 | |
expensive to afford it for all
citizens, but I am happy that we | 0:05:41 | 0:05:47 | |
have taken the first step. Five
hours south from Oulu is Juha, who | 0:05:47 | 0:06:00 | |
is hoping the basic income will help
him rediscover his entrepreneurial | 0:06:00 | 0:06:08 | |
spirit. My name is Juha, I am 39
years old, Father of six kids. I was | 0:06:08 | 0:06:14 | |
living with no -- making window
frames, that was my business to | 0:06:14 | 0:06:20 | |
seven years. All of this five, six
years, I have been unemployed, I | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
have been trying to start a new
company, new business. I tried to | 0:06:25 | 0:06:31 | |
start to shoot and edit commercial
vehicle -- commercial videos for | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
small companies for YouTube. Also I
want to do artwork at creative work. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:45 | |
Juha is optimistic about the way
basic income works will make it | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
easier to him to get back into
employment. With the basic income, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
the biggest change is the
bureaucracy. Like before, I needed | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
to fill out different kind of forms,
I need to meet employment office | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
people, I was spending quite a lot
of my time on stuff that has no | 0:07:04 | 0:07:12 | |
meaning. With basic income, I can
focus on the more important things. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
I don't need to spend my time on
something that has no meaning. And I | 0:07:17 | 0:07:25 | |
really believe also that this would
be super good for all of the people. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
So I got my humanity back. I can
start to do things what I can do, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:38 | |
and what I want to do. And I can use
my skills. Five months after the | 0:07:38 | 0:07:46 | |
start of the experiment, Juha is
still unemployed. But he is full of | 0:07:46 | 0:07:51 | |
enthusiasm. He is about to start his
new business. We don't know yet | 0:07:51 | 0:07:58 | |
whether there are many persons who
have started their own companies, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
but I have heard from newspapers
that there are some, and they have | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
been very positive about this, this
possibility, they have two years to | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
say, peaceful time, to start their
own companies. The unions in Finland | 0:08:09 | 0:08:16 | |
think basic income will have the
opposite effect. Basic income would | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
be a retirement scheme that you can
take up whenever you want. You can | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
simply choose to stop working and
live off your savings and basic | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
income, and that means lower level
of employment and less taxes. So | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
even less money to fund the social
benefits and services that we want. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:44 | |
Some of the people on the basic
income trial were established in | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
professional career so many years
before losing their jobs. My name is | 0:08:48 | 0:08:56 | |
Thomas, I am a freelance journalist
and author. I have been without work | 0:08:56 | 0:09:02 | |
since 2013. I was a foreign news
editor, to the daily newspaper in | 0:09:02 | 0:09:10 | |
Finland. But then they decided to
put down all the section of the | 0:09:10 | 0:09:16 | |
foreign affairs, so basically I lost
my job. It is not easy to find a job | 0:09:16 | 0:09:24 | |
as a journalist in the capital of
Finland. Sofa Thomas, being chosen | 0:09:24 | 0:09:31 | |
for a basic income pilot was a dream
come true. It helps me as a | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
freelancer, and it is social
security in a way. Without the | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
Sigma. -- stigma. To me it is not
embarrassing any more to get | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
benefits. Work has changed and
social politics has to follow that | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
trend now. I think that this basic
income will encourage people to get | 0:09:50 | 0:09:58 | |
back to the society and not be at
home. And he thinks Finland can | 0:09:58 | 0:10:06 | |
afford a system like this one. The
northern countries are more prepared | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
for this kind of basic income
system, because the same money is | 0:10:11 | 0:10:17 | |
there already. We pay taxes. Now we
spend it in a smart way. The budget | 0:10:17 | 0:10:25 | |
for the basic income experiment is
20 million euros. This is an | 0:10:25 | 0:10:32 | |
experiment model. The problem is
that it will be paid by the tax | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
money of hard-working people, and is
hard to justify it to employees, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
that you have two they are higher
level of tax to provide benefits for | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
those who simply choose not to work.
It may be expensive, but the truth | 0:10:46 | 0:10:52 | |
is, the policymakers have to start
thinking radically about new ways to | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
make the labour market worked in the
future. Studies indicate that in the | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
next 20 years, between 30 and 47% of
jobs in developed economies could be | 0:11:00 | 0:11:06 | |
at risk of automation. That means
robots doing jobs that humans | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
currently do. All this is preying on
the mind of our fourth basic income | 0:11:09 | 0:11:17 | |
recipients. I am 35 years old, I
live in Helsinki, the capital of | 0:11:17 | 0:11:23 | |
Finland. I work for a Danish
company, and through the company I | 0:11:23 | 0:11:29 | |
worked all around the world, and
after about six years of travelling | 0:11:29 | 0:11:35 | |
around I moved back to Finland, and
the employer told me that I had to | 0:11:35 | 0:11:41 | |
move again. Which I didn't want to
do, and I had to give up the job, so | 0:11:41 | 0:11:47 | |
I became unemployed. Sini now works
for herself and very flexibly. So | 0:11:47 | 0:11:53 | |
now I am still working, I have one
customer, I am working for a | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
foundation. When we come at work
days, three days, so it is a bit | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
insecure. So I have worked, but my
income level changes all the time. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:10 | |
Sini is convinced that more and more
people like her will be pursuing | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
flexible careers like this in the
future. Very common comment that I | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
get from people, you are educated,
open to do different kind of work, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:25 | |
how can you be unemployed? And I
think, is not discussed openly, but | 0:12:25 | 0:12:31 | |
it is a situation for educated
people, you are unemployed | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
sometimes. And if the scenario of
robotics and all these other kind of | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
work concept changed, more and more
educated and skilled people will be | 0:12:39 | 0:12:45 | |
unemployed. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
It's now ten months into the pilot,
and things have changed radically to | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
Tanya. When we first met her, she
thought ASIC income would make no | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
difference to her prospects of
finding a job. I took this job | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
offer, it is telemarketing. I
actually enjoy my job a lot. I love | 0:13:14 | 0:13:26 | |
my co-workers, I love the office, I
love the hours. And I just love to | 0:13:26 | 0:13:36 | |
be being independent, owning my own
money. And standing on my own two | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
feet. Now I actually can go to the
store and buy food and not be so | 0:13:41 | 0:13:49 | |
worried when I am going to eat the
next day. Basic income has changed | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
my life. Without it, I couldn't have
taken a job with a little lower | 0:13:53 | 0:14:00 | |
salary. I really have dreamed a long
time to work in an advertising | 0:14:00 | 0:14:07 | |
agency, and there was something with
marketing. I am going to learn to be | 0:14:07 | 0:14:16 | |
the best telemarketer person in
Finland, and find an advertising | 0:14:16 | 0:14:25 | |
agency that would give me a job, my
dream job. So has she changed her | 0:14:25 | 0:14:31 | |
mind about the basic income
experiment? At first I was quite | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
sceptical about basic income. It is
obvious that we can't afford to pay | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
it to every citizen. But then I
realised, it is actually a genius | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
idea. If you just pay it for those
people who have been at home for so | 0:14:45 | 0:14:53 | |
long, and been unemployed for so
long, that is a huge drive for them, | 0:14:53 | 0:15:00 | |
to get a job. We are human beings,
we need human contact, we need to be | 0:15:00 | 0:15:08 | |
proud of something, and that's a
huge problem when you are | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
unemployed. I think I have turned my
life around. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
When we met him five months ago, he
was hoping he would be able to start | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
a small business after going
bankrupt. Ten months after starting | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
in the experiment, I still feel
super happy and free and | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
independent. He has set up one
business already, but he wants to | 0:15:35 | 0:15:44 | |
expand. I got my own business, and
have been running that for the last | 0:15:44 | 0:15:51 | |
few months. The easiest money is
making those drums and selling. It | 0:15:51 | 0:16:01 | |
is hand craft, it is not super good
for business, it takes time to make, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:08 | |
and I love it. Good to see you. Them
one thing I am planning with a | 0:16:08 | 0:16:19 | |
couple of my friends, to start like
a B&B. We are going to be calling | 0:16:19 | 0:16:29 | |
people that know how to draw and
paint, and doing something in | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
painting, and putting it here so
that next week you can start | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
filming. We have some studios, so
people would stay here and spend | 0:16:36 | 0:16:44 | |
here one week, tee weeks, or a year.
Do you want me to help you with the | 0:16:44 | 0:16:51 | |
drums? And Juha and his friend have
other plans as well. Today, they | 0:16:51 | 0:16:59 | |
have come to meet the mayor, to talk
about transforming an old art school | 0:16:59 | 0:17:07 | |
and turning it into workshops for
artists. Juha is optimistic that he | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
will still be on a firm financial
footing after the Basic income | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
experiment ends. I think for me it
is enough. I believe that after one | 0:17:16 | 0:17:23 | |
year my business is running, and I
don't need other help. I very much | 0:17:23 | 0:17:30 | |
believe that basic income would be
super good for finances and the | 0:17:30 | 0:17:36 | |
economy of the government. I feel
that it should be good for others, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:42 | |
also. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:49 | |
When we first met unemployed
journalist Tuomas, he was optimistic | 0:17:52 | 0:18:00 | |
that the basic income trial would
help them find a new job. He is now | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
married to a former MP and Green
party activist. What else is new? | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
What has changed in my life since
June? I got married, but | 0:18:09 | 0:18:15 | |
financially, not so much. I am still
without a job. I can say that the | 0:18:15 | 0:18:24 | |
basic income has changed a lot in my
life. OK, psychologically, yes, but | 0:18:24 | 0:18:30 | |
financially not so much. Tuomas was
craving the structure that the job | 0:18:30 | 0:18:38 | |
would ring. I would be happy if I
had a job, even a part-time job, for | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
the routines. In that sense, you can
call me lazy, because I need a | 0:18:43 | 0:18:50 | |
producer, I need somebody to tell me
what to do, and I enjoy doing that. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:57 | |
Now, after five years... Almost five
years as a freelancer, maybe I am | 0:18:57 | 0:19:03 | |
not the right person to be like
that. My wife can do that. She has | 0:19:03 | 0:19:11 | |
always done that. Not for me, it is
more secure if you have a job. As | 0:19:11 | 0:19:23 | |
Tuomas attends a political event
with his new wife, how does he feel | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
now about job prospects? I have
still over one year to go, so | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
anything can happen. So I am quite
optimistic. I am not worried when | 0:19:32 | 0:19:41 | |
this pilot is ending, because then I
have got back to the old system, and | 0:19:41 | 0:19:48 | |
get those benefits and other way.
Let's see, during summertime next | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
year, I will have a job. And what
about Sini? She wanted a career | 0:19:52 | 0:20:06 | |
structure that will allow her to
work for multiple employers and | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
still find time for herself and her
family. The insecurity of not having | 0:20:09 | 0:20:15 | |
a permanent job, and actually
working as self-employed, allows | 0:20:15 | 0:20:22 | |
also to have more freedom on the way
you spend your time. My dad has | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
old-timers, and me and my sister,
who lives also in Finland, we try to | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
help them out a lot. Sini has found
that basic income gives her more | 0:20:32 | 0:20:39 | |
time with family, and also to pursue
charity work. With basic income, it | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
is kind of easy maybe to get this
work-life balance. So basic income | 0:20:44 | 0:20:53 | |
helps me to make myself available,
to help my parents, or do volunteer | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
work. Of course I understand not
everybody is motivated to do those | 0:20:58 | 0:21:06 | |
things, but I am the type of person
that I want to do something that | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
makes me happy, and I would want
more people to have the courage to | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
say, OK, maybe money is not
everything. What would you like to | 0:21:14 | 0:21:21 | |
study? Language. I think basic
income as an idea, for everyone to | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
receive it, is a very nice idea. On
an individual level it has been | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
very, very life changing for me. So
I would see a package more or less | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
in a way that if your income drops
to a certain level, then you become | 0:21:34 | 0:21:40 | |
part of kind of the basic income or
the benefit system. Four people, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:50 | |
four very different experiences of
basic income. Tanya has -- Tanja has | 0:21:50 | 0:22:05 | |
found a job she would never have
considered before, Juha has | 0:22:05 | 0:22:11 | |
rediscovered his entrepreneurial
spirit, Tuomas were still | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
unemployed, and Sini has found a way
to pursue a portfolio career, see | 0:22:13 | 0:22:21 | |
her family, and do charity work.
There is a year to go before the | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
trial ends. Is there a chance the
government will extend the scheme to | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
all of them than's unemployed?
Finland is quite moderate in this | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
way, we have a culture of
experimentation, and where we want | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
to see this kind of social
innovations in practice. So whether | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
this basic income is the solution to
poverty or Labour market goblins, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
can still be proud that Finland has
taken this sort of bold way of | 0:22:47 | 0:22:53 | |
testing, and hopefully our
experience can benefit other | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
nations. We will have to wait and
see if Finland's experiment becomes | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
a model for the future. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:09 |