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help -- heavily with AMs asking about economic development in North

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Wales, enterprise zones in North at Haven and what the government is

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doing to promote tourism. We will also be watching out to see if

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there's any reaction to the UK government's call for Wales to go

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its own way on school exams and the education ministers response that

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GCSEs and A-levels are to stay. What you want to talk about? If you want

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to comment on anything on the programme, get in touch with us. You

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can reach us by a Twitter or send us an e-mail. The First Minister is

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already on his feet so let's go over now to the chamber. What actions as

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the First Minister taken to support care? We supported very highly. The

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reconfiguration proposals say there should be greater care in the

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community. The Welsh community has always seen a need for the community

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to be involved. There is a need to put more resources into such teams.

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What discussions has the wealth -- was government had with the health

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boards to ensure these resources are available for greater

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community-based healthcare services? It is an important issue

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and the Minister for health services isn't looking at the actions

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necessary -- is looking at the actions. So there have been some

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positive examples of joint working across Wales, for example the

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frailty programmes. You will be well aware the number of people who are

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receiving direct payments have increased by 20%. Can you ballot

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policies to maintain this increase allowing people to access services

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they need? We're working hard to insure that the health boards and

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social services are working together in order to provide the best

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possible outcome for our citizens. It is important that is provided for

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them because we know that primary and community services run together,

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they are not separate services that McMillan has long highlighted the

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huge costs that for one cancer patients during their treatment and

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recovery. Their 2011 report says that the increased burden is �5,000,

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on top of the average �16,000 loss in earnings, can you tell us which

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aspect of your cancer plan addresses this? Years, cancer can cost up to

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�1500 in travel, clothes, and other costs on top of earnings. That is

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why we want to see a person centred approach to dealing with cancer,

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which is why key workers are so important to provide that holistic

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support, including being able to know where they can obtain financial

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Assembly research service show that over the fast track past five years,

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the number of people attending major accident and emergency units has

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risen by almost 70,000. To around 800,000 visitors per year. We have

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an ageing population and the numbers of people with chronic conditions is

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on the increase. Can you explain, then, to the people of the South

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Wales area, why you are reducing the number of accident and emergency

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departments? I am not aware of any published plans. We are expecting

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plans to be published tomorrow. We all know that the number of service

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users is rising, capacity is an issue. Plaid Cymru has opposed to

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your reorganisation plans in the past. We believe services should be

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provided safely, as close to people's homes as is possible. Now,

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in February, a poll found that 74% of people in Wales disagreed with

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your hospital policy. You've often said that these changes are

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clinically led and a report looked at 10,000 patients in

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life-threatening situations and found that for every additional ten,

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does travel, it increases the mortality rate by 1%. Do you agree

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or dispute that finding? I agree with the leader of Plaid Cymru.

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want services to be as safe and is close to people 's homes as

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possible. We want to do this. didn't answer the question. I asked

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you whether or not you agreed with or you disputed the Sheffield

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finding? The Sheffield study is robust, it is clinical evidence and

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yet to be challenged. Clinicians say that it is a lack of staff and

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failure to recruit that is causing the problems in our hospitals,

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something you've blamed on Westminster in the past. Plaid Cymru

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has said we should look at financial incentives and support to attract

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new doctors. Are you prepared to be honest with the people of Wales now,

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First Minister, and agree that these changes are being driven by a

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shortage of qualified medical staff? I would be very grateful for a

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straight answer on that, First Minister, so that people can be in

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the position to decide whether there is increased risks from travelling

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extra distance to AMD, and whether it can be blamed on the previous

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government 's immigration policy, or that government here controls the

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NHS? I do not accept this sudden increased risk the leader of Clyde

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Comrie puts forward. If she can find me any consultant that supports her

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position, I would love to speak to them. Consultants themselves say

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then eats to be reconfiguration. Her party ignores what doctors say and

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we want to make sure that people have access to a service that is

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safe and sustainable but her party wants to make sure that the NHS is

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not in that position. The safety of the service is not important, the

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sustainable and the of the service isn't important, but what is

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important from her point of view is political gain. First Minister,

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according to visit Britain, Cardiff is the any Welsh town or city in the

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top 50 most visited places in Britain, given the importance of

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tourism to the Welsh economy and jobs, what is your government 's

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target for increasing the number of visits to Wales? The tourism

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strategy will be published on 17th of June. According to official visit

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figures, in the last six years, visitor numbers were falling in

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Wales by almost a quarter, whereas across the cake, they went down by

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just 3%. -- across the UK. Your government spent an extra �850,000

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on tourism promotion, what exactly did Welsh taxpayers get for that

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investment? Selling Wales around the world. The weather has not been kind

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to us. That has not helped. We have committed many millions of pounds to

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market Wales around the world. One of the things we are doing now, of

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course, is developing the tourism market as new routes are served from

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Cardiff airport, to make sure the flow of passengers is not all one

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way. It is right to say, for example, we need to make sure we

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have indoor attractions, we have Cardiff city in the Premier League

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next year, and that is a lot of money. More than anything else on

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top of the marketing support, we need to make sure we have better

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weather than we have had over the last few years. That in itself is

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not a reason to be complacent. We understand that. It doesn't make it

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any less of an issue. First Minister, I've spent a lot of time

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criticising you for things you don't do, but even I would have to

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acknowledge that you can't control the weather, despite... Despite your

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well-known resemblance to a certain weatherman. The reality is, First

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Minister, your government has spent an additional �850,000 in tourism

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marketing last year, and I asked what Wales and Welsh taxpayers have

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got for it. You say you are increasing the number of

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international visitors but the reality is that in six years, total

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overseas visits to Wales are down by 22%. European visitors are down by

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27%, and there's been a massive drop of 40% from the North American

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market. Visit Britain has clearly stated that it aims to bring an

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extra 9 million tourists a year to Britain by 2020. I am asking you

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when you finally mean get round to publishing your tourism strategy,

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how many visitors will be expected in Wales as a result of your

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government's action? Without wishing to prejudge the strategy, we do put

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substantial amount of money into tourism, 4.1 million pounds for

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marketing, and more money for other things. The question for us is how

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can we increase the numbers of visitors, which is widely tourism

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strategy is being published on 17th of June. First Minister, can you

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tell me what you know about the Welsh government's business partner

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called part cabbie? I am aware of what it is, and I am aware of what

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plans they will be fired. That business Park has had 21 million

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pounds spent on it in recent years by Joel government. It has no

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businesses whatsoever located on that side. It has had �7 million

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spent on infrastructure, 5 million putting in electricity substation.

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Doesn't this show a lack of ability to actually correlate the spending

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of money on enterprise and business projects with the pity of creating

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jobs, especially when you look back on the record of previous Labour

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governments around tech theorems which have been shelved after an

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expensive �100 million, the Dragon project in the Vale of Glamorgan,

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littered across the whole of Wales, we have white elephants that have

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had huge expenditure on behalf of the Welsh government and yet, as I

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have said, �21,221,000 spent and not one single business occupies that

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side. He will be aware there are archaeological issues surrounding

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that area. And he mentions the red Dragon project, that was his party

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who did that and you can pull the wool over other people's eyes but

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not over hours. I have heard some answers in my time but

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archaeological problems... I stood on the business Park last Friday,

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there are huge roadways that many communities would love to have.

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There is a beautiful cycle track their that many communities would

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love to have. What isn't there is one single business. We have, from

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your Government, a policy that we support, the creation of enterprise

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zones. We have had outlines of what the Welsh Government is doing in

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those business zones but what we cannot tell is how many jobs have

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been created, how much money has gone into those enterprise zones and

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how many new business start-ups have actually been started on those

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zones. I have listed the red Dragon project, and others. Are we to see

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more white elephants around Wales or what confidence can you give that

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you have got your economic policy right and that we will start seeing

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jobs being created by your Government and new business

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start-ups and above all in about four years time, we will not look

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back on your Government and say they were exactly the same as their

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predecessors? Who can only see what is happening in the Haven waterway

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is zoned, this is just the start. Enhanced capital loans in sum, new

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business rates schemes announced recently, we are proactive in terms

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of jobs and the jobs growth for Wales. Something they have

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criticised and they have got their figures wrong. They say a third of

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people who start on this are unemployed and that is nonsense. I

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challenge them to produce those figures to produce and back up what

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they are saying but they are being casual and lazy to figures, we are

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used to that on this side of the House. I want to show some sympathy

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for the Leader of the Opposition. It is important because he is the

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leader of the Welsh Conservative Party, of several Conservative

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parties that seem to exist now. We have seen what is happening in

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London as the Conservative Party there falls apart and it was

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unfortunate that a Conservative advisor close to the Prime Minister

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described his own activists as mad, swivel eyed loons. We may think that

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was a blunt and direct message but I can tell you that that quote is an

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anagram and that is what is the Conservative Party is doing to their

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only there. We do not need lessons on how to control the party, their

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party is falling apart before our statement on any discussions the

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Welsh Government has had with the UK Government on the proposed sale of

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Royal Mail? We have had no specific discussions about this issue but

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needless to say we oppose the sale. He will be aware that Vince cable is

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leading the privatisation of the Royal mail for the UK Government. It

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looks to me like a fire sale that has nothing to do with quality of

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service for customers or providing value for money. The Royal Mail

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announced profits for one year of over �400 million. Does the First

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Minister agree with me that it represents poor value for money and

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a particular threat for the future of the universal sales obligation

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and the six-day service especially within rural Wales? We know one

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major operator is already refusing to deliver to every address in

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Ceredigion. I believe it is the future, any company that will charge

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more to delivering to more rural areas, and it is all down to trying

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to make money and nothing to do with trying to provide a service for the

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public. I regret that you seem to have swallowed the Mets on which the

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question was based. How will you address the scaremongering and help

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people understand that regardless of whether Royal Mail is in public or

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private ownership, the universal service is protected by law.

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Further, the law protects the VAT exemption for universal service

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providers, Royal Mail is obliged to deliver to every address whether

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urban or rural and the services are protected by law. Only of common --

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of common -- Ofcom... The fact that it is protected by law is no

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protection because the law can be changed by end of the Government.

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The reality is that once Royal Mail is privatised, it is brave to break

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up to the destruction of the universal service, to massively

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increase costs, particularly for rural areas and once that takes

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place, then the Royal Mail is exposed. I have no doubt there will

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be those in the party opposite who would like nothing better than to

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see the full market have full rein when it comes to postal services and

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rural communities lose the services on which they depend.

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preparation for the sale, they are closing post offices throughout

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Wales including the last one in Swansea and this but the

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Westminster's promise of no boss office closures, do you share my

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concern that the closure of these post offices -- no post office

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closures? Yes, I do, I want to see them return to Cuba services in the

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present format and locations. -- them return to keep services. What

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they said to the Minister is they want to keep the Crown office is

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accessible to customers and would only move to locations with equal

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access for its customers. Much better in my view, that they keep

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the Crown post offices as they are. We'll be First Minister make a

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statement to the health technologies fund? Yes, it will ensure the

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availability of leading edge equipment and applications for

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funding are currently being invited for the second round. We need to use

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this money to invested innovative and truly effective treatment for

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Welsh patients. Prostate cancer treatments but would benefit from

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accruing screens and articulated arms, there are 30 in England but

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none in Wales. I was informed that the Welsh health boards together

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plan to bid for a particular robot. Do you think we should be increasing

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looking at technology and how will this fund reflect this priority?

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This is exactly the kind of equipment that the fund will provide

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funding for in general. I know that the Cardiff and Vale University

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health board is considering the use review and the Scottish vision

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strategy, the Scottish covenant unlock funding for high-tech digital

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cameras for high-street opticians allowing photos to be taken off the

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back of people's eyes. And allowing closer integration of primary and

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secondary care. What consideration have you given for such funding so

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that high-street technologies can be adopted here in Wales? It is

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available to all potential bidders. When it comes to the process you are

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describing, if I remember correctly, ophthalmologists are able to

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register in this with existing equipment. What the digital machine

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does is provide an image on a screen that they are then able to access.

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It is not the case that... It is not possible to carry out this procedure

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but if the new technology would be of assistance, then these are being

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invited at this moment. announced that some of the funding

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from this fund will be used for new radiotherapy techniques. Could you

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confirm that the area will be able to purchase certain technology

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rather than fixed gantry systems which are older technology, less

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effective and can treat less patients? I think I am right in

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saying that the radiotherapy that the member refers to has not been

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paid for out of this fund. That is being paid for I understand why

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exist in funds. But nevertheless it is open to the area to bid for

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capital to make sure that they have access to the best technology that

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is available using this fund as a conference on the 1st of May, you

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went on to highlight your expectations of how the wind

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industry must work with each other, local communities and also other

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stakeholders to ensure that wind developments deliver benefits for

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communities hosting them. Just last week, a number of my constituents

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experienced bullying tactics from agents of the National Grid as they

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issued a number of legal notices for forced access. When challenged by

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186-year-old woman to show their identification, she was met with

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foul and abusive language. -- challenged by one 86-year-old. Will

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you join me in condemning this disgraceful behaviour from National

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Grid agents? Those are exceptionally serious allegations. I will not

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comment on them for now, I have no way of knowing the extent of their

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voracity but I will, of course, investigate the matter with National

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Grid and write to the member with the conclusion of that

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seminars to pass on advice to woodland owners and managers about

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how to spot ashtray back and what they can do to stop this -- stop it

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spreading. Of course, it is spread by fungal spores. These seminars

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were available in South Wales and in Mid Wales but not in North Wales,

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and presumably West Wales. Given the fungus has now spread to the wider

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environment, would you -- agreed is important that businesses and

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individuals from all areas of Wales can get access to the latest advice?

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I will take the matter up with natural resources Wales and asked

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them what plans they have two publicise the incidents of the

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disease in parts of Wales where previously it was not recorded. It

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is important there is awareness across the whole nation. With the

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importance that Ash has within the wider world forestry sector, what

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books have theirs so far been between Welsh government and the

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relevant sector, particularly the important tree nursery sector of the

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industry, to ensure there isn't a long-term gap in our future

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sustainability and self-sufficiency in timber? The Welsh plan that has

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been produced on 25th of March of this year, it advocates the actions

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that need to be taken by landowners in terms of mitigating the spread of

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the disease. I know that natural resources Wales have been using this

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with landowners to minimise the risk and to stop the disease from

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spreading. For the First Minister make the state and on his last

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meeting with the secretary for Wales? The content of the meeting is

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private but we discussed a number of political matters. Thank you. Over

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the past few weeks, since he has been put in the post of Secretary of

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State, you've been making unhelpful comment, talking down the

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instruction -- construction industry, and most of all what for

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me is the most disgusting of his unhelpful comments is he has now

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done a grading a law passed in this chamber with the full support of all

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parties across this chamber. Despite requests from me to meet with him,

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he seems to have gone very silent. So, will you continue to remind the

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Secretary of State for Wales to stop interfering in devolved matters and

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urge him to start standing up for Wales and Westminster because he has

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spectacularly failed to do so since his appointment? It is right to say

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that the legislation was fully supported on all sides of the house.

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That much is true, including the Secretary of State's own party. He

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has publicly called for the legislation to be ignored, I think

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is the word I would use, and I explain to him this is legislation

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part -- past with full party support. In terms of construction, I

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have the figures, the ONS figures which clearly show the situation in

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Wales is far better than in the whole of UK in 2012. Construction in

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the UK has gone down to ten times than construction in Wales which

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shows the effect the Welsh government is having in terms of

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encouraging construction in Wales. First Minister, in contrast to this

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pessimism, will you join me in talking up the enormous contribution

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they Secretary of State for Wales and the UK coalition government are

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making in terms of the Welsh economy? Electrification of the

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great Western mainline, substantial broadband improvements, and

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enterprise zones. Will you tell us First Minister what discussions you

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had with the Secretary of State for Wales to ensure that both your

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government and the UK coalition government continued to work for

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waters for the best interest of Wales, and you can only do that by

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working together. We will always seek to work with the Secretary of

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State as well as possible with Wales best interest. The parties in the UK

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cannot work together, though, and the major party is falling apart

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completely. It is not a question of corporation between Cardiff and

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 208 seconds

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London, but cooperation within First Minister, HMRC announced on

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May 14 they plan to close all of their enquiry Centres across the UK

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by March 2014. In addition to the potential job losses, the closure of

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the centre in Merthyr would disenfranchise those of my

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constituents who rely on that enquiry Centre for any issues they

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may have with their tax. I've spoken to the PCS you who were concerned

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that these plans. Will you raise First Minister the effects of this

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on my constituency and others with the Secretary of State when you next

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meet him? I will seek to do that either through the next meeting,

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which I'm not clear when that is scheduled at the moment, but I will

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talk to him and make clear your concerns on behalf of your

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constituents. First Minister, will you make a statement over the future

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of the Welsh tourism sector? These two questions have been grouped, the

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strategy will be published on 17th June. What assessment has your

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government made about the impact of energy development on the

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surrounding tourism industry? commission and enquiry into the

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impact of the Swansea tourist industry if wind farms are given the

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go-ahead alongside the proposed coal gratification? There's no suggestion

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there would be an effect on tourism. As long as wind element is made as

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sympathetically. A bit of it is made in Welsh Waters but the vast

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majority as an English waters. As for the effect on tourism, with wind

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turbines, there are some people who hate them with a passion, there are

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some people who are very much in favour of them, some who are

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indifferent. It is very difficult to quantify what the effect on tourism

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is when there are so many different views in terms of wind turbine

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technology. We will leave First Minister's Questions there but don't

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forget you can see more coverage of the Assembly online including an

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emergency question later to the education minister about the exams

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dispute with Westminster. That's via the life page. -- that is via the

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live page. It is that time of the week when we get the reflections of

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the Welsh affairs editor who's been watching proceedings. All the

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leaders going on something different this week. It was interesting,

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wasn't it? We thought maybe health would dominate again because we had

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the announcements that reconfiguration plans for the south

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eastern corner or quarter of Wales are coming tomorrow. It seems most

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of the politicians were keeping comparatively dry on that. Leanne

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Wood chose to follow up on the AMD plans -- on the accident and

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emergency plans. Kirsty Williams went on different fields entirely.

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Tourism as well. Tourism was a bit of a theme in First Minister's

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Questions today. And we also heard from Simon Thomas this dispute

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between Michael Gove about the future of exams. A fight partly

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being fought out over Twitter, surprisingly enough. Once -- Michael

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Gove wrote to the Welsh government to say we are not going to agree

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what these qualifications should be so let's have different systems in

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the different parts of the UK. Scotland is different already. The

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question that has arisen is what those exams will be called. Leighton

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Andrews insisted that the names, GCSE and A-level, are owned by all

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the UK. An unexpected knockabout over Royal Mail as well. Yes. That

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was interesting. Labour are trying to capitalise on worries about what

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might happen with Royal Mail being privatised, particularly about the

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service obligation which means even the most remote farm in Wales

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receives its post for the same cost. Plaid Cymru immediately said who

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started this process? It was the last Labour government in

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Westminster. There was a bit of blame going on and the First

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Minister said, what would you do to stop it? You can't form UK

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government, you don't stand in most of the seats in the House of Commons

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and it is the House of Commons that will decide this. The other thing is

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thirsty Williams doesn't blame the weather on Carwyn Jones! She was

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saying we need to ensure better weather and Kirsty Williams saying

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that we cannot do that. David Jones, the Welsh Secretary, he was

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mentioned there, about sprinklers. He is coming to the SMB tomorrow to

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talk about the Queen's Speech, so that could be interesting to watch.

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It is fair to say that David Jones is regarded as something of a

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prickly customer by some in the Assembly. I think we could see quite

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a frosty reception from at least some of the benches for the Welsh

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Secretary. OK, thank you for that. That's it for today. There is no

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programme next week as the Assembly breaks for half term but I'll be

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back with First Minister's Questions in a fortnight. For all the latest

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news, don't forget to watch Wales Today later at 6:30pm, and there is

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