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Welcome to am:pm and the weekly Questions to the First Minister.

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As ever, they cover a range of topics, including the value

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of overseas exports, new rental rules for

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private landlords, and the education curriculum.

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Don't forget, we're @walespolitics on Twitter, where you can follow

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all the latest on the Assembly and Welsh politics.

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For now, it's time to go over to the Siambr for today's questions

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Order. I call the Welsh Assembly to order. The first item on our agenda

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is questions to the First Minister. Leanne Wood. Will the First Minister

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make a statement about the value of overseas exports to the Welsh

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economy? Increasing the value of exports and the number of exporters

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in Wales has both been central pillars of our economic strategy for

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some time. We know that trade is a key driver of economic growth. The

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Welsh government is organising a subsidised trade mission to Saudi

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Arabia in March of next year and I'm sure I don't need to remind members

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that Saudi Arabia is a place where people are executed for crimes such

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as speaking out against the regime. With the help of UK exports, they

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are also waging a brutal war against the Yemen, which has claimed the

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lives of thousands and the blockade of Yemen has caused a humanitarian

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crisis. Amid all this brutality, is it appropriate to cosy up to Saudi

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Arabia? Don't you think you should be taking a stand on this? And given

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the news that arms sold to Saudi Arabia have ended up in the arms of

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Isis fighters, can you reassure us today that this mission has nothing

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whatsoever to do with the defence or the arms industry? Trade missions

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are all encompassing. We do trade with companies whose values we would

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not share. There are issues within a number of countries around the world

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where we would prefer it if their systems were more open and close two

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hours but I believe that through trading with these countries, it is

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possible to show that there is a way of government that is different and,

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to my mind, better than the ones that exist in their countries. It is

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up to them how they govern themselves but we are guided by the

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Foreign and Commonwealth Office whether it is appropriate to have

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trade links with countries or not. Wales is a small but passionate

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country that punches above its weight. I note that the value of

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exports for Wales for the year up to and including 2016 was ?12.1

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billion. With export to the European Union accounting for almost 40% of

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Welsh exports. As a passionate and successful advocate of selling Wales

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to the world, what future plans has the Welsh government put in place to

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make sure that Welsh goods and services can continue to be exported

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to the world? We are expanding our overseas activity for 2016-17 and

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that will include a balance of traditional markets and seeking new

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markets and there will be six trade missions that will take place over

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the next six months. First Minister, the Welsh business barometer from

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the south Wales chamber of commerce reports that the number of small and

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medium-sized enterprises are reportedly in growth in export sales

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and orders has fallen in the third quarter of 2016. My own postbag is

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growing with small businesses contacting me concerned about the

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potential increase in their business rates. Will you consider increasing

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the funding that you have put in place for support with the

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transition because that would help a lot of small businesses that are

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very uncertain about how their business rates are going to be after

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2017? We will be able to give full consideration to that issue once we

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know what the Chancellor has announced in the Autumn Statement.

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If he is generous, so can we be. Neil Hamilton. Can I commend the

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First Minister on his response to the first question today, while

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agreeing with the Plaid Cymru comments on the attitude of the

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Saudi Arabian government. Nevertheless, it is vitally

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important that we improve our trade links with Saudi Arabia. But trade

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with the rest of the world outside the EU is going to become of growing

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importance to us as a nation. 40% of our exports go to the EU. It was 60%

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ten years ago. Would you agree that it is vitally important that we have

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trade missions to the rest of the world to capitalise on this growing

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imbalance? We have had missions to the US, the United Arab Emirates,

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which is a major export market for us, but we must guard against the

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scenario where we have barriers in place in terms of access to the

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European market and the American market. I am totally convinced that

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we will see a free-trade deal with the US that would do anything other

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than benefit from the US. That's exactly what President-elect Tramp

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was elected to do. I don't share the optimism that the UK will be in a

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privileged position with regard to the US. We will continue to run our

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trade missions, to look at important markets, and to look for new ones.

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Question two is withdrawn. Question three. Will the First Minister

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provide an update on the implementation of A Curriculum for

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Wales, A Curriculum for Life? As set out in A Curriculum for Wales, A

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Curriculum for Life, the Digital competence framework was made

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available to schools on September the 1st and the development of the

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wider curriculum and assessment arrangements is on track to be

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available from September 20 18th to support learning and teaching from

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September 20 21. With that in mind, will be First Minister answer how

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will the Welsh government make sure that every teacher and teaching

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assistant has an understanding of appropriate workload? Delivery of

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the reform can only happen if we have such a system and a workforce

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that embraces inclusive education and work for every learner in every

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classroom. We will work with the teaching profession to make sure

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that the right level of support and training is available to them.

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Darren Millar. One of the features of your government is that very good

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schools that are delivering the National Curriculum have been

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closing across the country, particularly in rural parts of

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Wales. I know there is additional assistance on the way and some

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changes in the way the local authorities will have to think about

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their schools in the future but what will you say to people in my

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constituency that are supporters of a school threatened with closure for

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the second time? And will you intervene personally to secure the

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future of that school which has growing numbers of pupils as parents

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are putting their confidence in the ability of that school to deliver?

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The member knows full well it is a local authority decision and he

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should direct his anger towards the local authority. The Welsh

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government only intervenes under certain circumstances. I wonder if

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he has made those representations to the local authority. I'm sure his

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constituents would want to find out. But as the Education Secretary has

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already announced, we are looking at new models in order to enable

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schools to deliver better and to stay open in the future, some of

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them, and I suggest he goes to the local authority and makes

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suggestions to them. One of the central elements of the reform is

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the role of the innovative schools but concern is being increasingly

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expressed that schools are not in that category feel excluded. The

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teaching union have said that the situation with the new arrangements

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is a pipe dream and even the educational workforce council has

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said that we are facing a two T a situation where some feel they are

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inside the system and others outside. What is your government

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doing to make sure that everyone feels ownership of the new

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curriculum to make sure it's delivered in a timely manner? We

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know that it's vital to make sure we have an effective manner of working

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with the profession. We are dealing with training, for example, but we

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don't deal with terms and conditions. We hope to change in

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future because there is a kind of artificial distinction between

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teacher training and renew my rating teachers. By doing that, it would be

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easy for us to get a copy has save package for the profession.

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Questions now from the party leaders. Welsh Conservatives, Andrew

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RT Davies. The Circuit of Wales offers a huge potential to

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regenerate a very poor part of Wales and offer opportunities both in

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regeneration terms and job prospects for the Blaenau Gwent and South

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Wales area. In fact the whole of Wales. Transforming the image to a

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high value destination for tourists and the engineering industry. But

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sadly the Heads of the Valleys company which is promoting this

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project has been suffering really bad headlines of late and there has

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been a slow, slow drip effect of evidence to point that they really

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are the best partners to actually deliver the project. Do you have

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confidence in the leadership of the company to deliver the circuit for

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Wales project? I have to say to the leader of the Welsh Conservatives,

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it is a member of his party that has provided that drip, drip of

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criticism. Do we have confidence in the company? That is a matter for

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them, of course. We have to make sure that we are prudent in terms of

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public money being made accessible and we have done that to make sure

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that any project is only financed if there is a fair division of rest

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between the private and public sectors and that is not the position

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yet. I notice you didn't say you have confidence, you said there is

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potential in the project, but FOIA from your government clearly show

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that civil servants raised concerns with ministers over the plans for

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the heads of the Valley development Corporation owned by Michael Carrick

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to pay almost ?1 million in consultancy fees. Effectively paying

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themselves to advise themselves. That clearly cannot be right,

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especially if there hasn't been a robust tendering process and when

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the civil servants themselves, a director-general is offering such a

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device to ministers. Why would ministers go against that advice and

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approve such a transaction? It is a member that the minister who was in

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place at that time is no longer a member of this Assembly. As far as

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this government is concerned, we will seek to assure, as she did, to

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make sure there is prudence when access is made to the public purse

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and that is why we did not release the money for the project to proceed

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some months ago on the basis that we were not convinced that the project

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was robust enough in terms of the sharing of risk. But public money

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has gone to this country, as I have highlighted. ?1 million just on

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consultancy CBEs, ?9 million in total with bad loans can pay by the

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Welsh government. We know there is a loss-making at Silverstone, and also

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purchasing a motorbike company for ?400,000 that has gone bankrupt.

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Hardly a success story. When the evidence is pointing that civil

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servants were warning ministers about making this money available

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and wanting more information, we saw last week that the governors

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chairman, Lord Kinnock of the company, was lobbying excessively

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with at least five or six calls to the leader of Blaenau Gwent Council,

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as well as using House of Lords notepaper to write lessons on to

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make the point that he wanted to make, that cannot be acceptable. And

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now I have invoices here, invoices here... And they show that at least

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?2400 to the Labour Party, and ?960 paid to the Labour Party. Different

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invoices paid by Michael Carrick to have access to Welsh government

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ministers, I would suggest. Are you confident there has been the proper

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transparency and, above all, the assurances when the initial ?9

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million has been handed over? As I said, this project is of a great

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opportunity but it is the execution... And the company... And

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the company that has been brought forward to promote this company

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clearly has evidence to the contrary.

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He can't have his cake and eat it. He can't say on one hand this is a

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good project and on the other hand this project shouldn't have been

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financed in its initial stages. If he's suggesting that in some way it

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was possible for the company to sponsor events in order to get the

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decision that they wanted, they didn't, did they? The whole point

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was that if it was the case influence could be bored, they would

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have had the funding for the Circuit of Wales by now but that has not

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occurred. If you could only see the money that is wasted by his

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government in Westminster, the amount of money hosed away on NHS

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reorganisation that don't happen, hosed away on rail privatisation, we

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could go on. The reality is that we as a government took the view that

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initial finance, if he listened, he would learn. As a government, we

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will provide amounts of money for businesses in order to take them to

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the next stage of business development and a project in terms

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of development but there comes a point where it is absolutely right

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to say to any business, we will not finance the project unless you find

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in a Private backing that will take the project ahead without there

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being a 100% guaranteed from the public sector. That was something we

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were not prepared to do and that represents value for money for the

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taxpayer. Will the First Minister make a

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statement on the proposed takeover by Severn Trent Water? The concern

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is that it will reduce consumer choice and will increase prices,

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which is something that, to my mind, would not be acceptable. I don't

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believe that people would accept higher prices for their water when

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they can see the reservoirs in their locality that provide it. There are

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fears that the company's strong Welsh identity and standing in the

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country could be lost. There are real concerns amongst the workforce

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about job security. The fear is that centralisation will lead to fewer

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local jobs. Can you tell us what contact you have had with the

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parties involved? I know that the minister is looking at this

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carefully. She has received representations from constituency

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members, and concern will be expressed from us as a Government

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along the lines I mentioned. I'm surprised you can't tell us that you

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have written a few letters about this, given the concern. This

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proposed takeover raises serious questions about the future of our

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national resources. Those resources should be benefiting the people in

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this country, but they are being bought and sold as we speak. As the

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First Minister considered what impact this takeover bid could have

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on the water industry in Wales, bearing in mind the competitive

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model being pushed in England has been rejected here? And will he join

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me in making a clear statement today that Welsh water services should be

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run from Wales, and not from Coventry for a bunch of

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multinational shareholders? We have been clear that we want to see power

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was overwater devolved. It was always a matter of great regret to

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me that the people of Wales did not have control over one of their major

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national resources. That will change in 2018 and I welcome that, it will

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give us the opportunity to look at how that resource can be developed

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as far as the people of Wales are concerned. Until that concession was

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made by the UK Government, we were still in a position where we did not

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have control. That, I welcome, and it gives us the opportunity to avoid

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situations like this occurring in the future. In his evidence to the

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scrutiny committee last week, the First Minister ask the Chancellor of

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the Exchequer to do something about energy prices in the Autumn

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Statement in order to help the steel industry in Wales, something which I

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support. He pointed out that energy prices in Britain are 46% higher

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than in some other places in Europe. Does he not agree that one of the

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principal reasons for that is the 2008 climate change act passed by

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the then Labour Government of which has committed Britain uniquely in

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the world to a legally binding obligation of cutting carbon

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emissions by 80% by 2050, as a result of which we are actually

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placing a millstone round the next of the people, like British Steel

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makers, who are placed at a competitive disadvantage with

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countries like Germany? It is cheaper than in some countries. The

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amount of renewable energy that feeds into national Grid in Spain is

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comparable. It is to do with the market in Great Britain and the fact

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that discounts are not available for energy intensive industries. We have

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to look at nuclear but we also have to look at harnessing the power of

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the tide, rather than relying on imported coal, which I know he has

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suggested in weeks gone by. Germany has been opening new coal-fired

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power stations, 11 gigawatts in the past five years. The Vice Chancellor

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of Germany and chairman of the social Democratic party, and also

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the energy minister, has said that Germany will not be phasing out

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coal-fired power stations before 2040 as the Government looks for

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ways to minimise job losses. The German Government is doing what it

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can to minimise job losses in its coal regions at the expense of

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British Steel makers. I am going to pause for a minute at the irony of

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that. In the 1980s, he sat there while thousands upon thousands,

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30,000 jobs were lost in the mining industry in Wales. Now he says we're

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not doing enough to protect jobs. The reality is, if we were to have

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more coal-fired power stations, we would have to import coal. Germany

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relies heavily on Russia for and given the current state of world

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affairs, that is an uncomfortable position for Germany to be in. I do

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not think that in terms of Britain's energy security, importing more coal

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is the answer. It is the cheapest form of power generation and it

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doesn't seem to me to be an economically or commercially

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sensible thing to do. We have another climate change conference in

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Marrakesh coming up, and there will be a lot of hot air, like last week,

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where a lot of hot air was expended. Given that countries like China are

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not planning to reduce their CO2 emissions, in fact they are

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increasing their capacity, and China proposes to double its coal-fired

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capacity within 15 years, and India promises to treble its output of CO2

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emissions, isn't written generally, and Wales in particular, placing

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itself out a vast competitive disadvantage by forcing up energy

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prices which are the lifeblood of industries like the steel makers of

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Wales? Spain is an example of a country where coal is not a major

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factor in energy production. Collies yesterday -- coal is yesterday's

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technology. People are not looking to build more coal-fired power

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station. China has a problem with pollution, and it sees the smog in

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its major cities. First, we should have more more air pollution, is

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what he is suggesting. We should import more coal, which is more

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cost, and less energy security as far as Britain is concerned, which I

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cannot agree with him on bass and of course, what he is saying, in

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effect, that we should look to build more coal-fired power stations. Good

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luck to him on that. If he wants to see people angry and annoyed with

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her coal-fired power station next them, it's a sure-fire way of doing

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that, pardon the pun. Tidal energy that is there will always be there

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as long as the moon is there. It has not been harnessed or developed, but

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it should be, rather than relying on fossil fuels that need to be

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imported. It is not a secure energy policy. Has the First Minister

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considered the potential of the Bridgend Hub? The next phase of

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metro development will be focused on the Cork Valley lines. I know that

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funding for the successive phases of the roll-out are more precarious

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after Brexit, but it does provide some exciting potential here in

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Bridgend, which is the sixth biggest manufacturing and employment area

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within the UK. It has potential and if we were to seize -- if we were to

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-- if we are to seize the potential, we must push the matter up the

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valleys. If he would come with me and meet with Councillor Hugh

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Davies, we can sit down and discuss it over a cup of tea. I will pass

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that message on. Bridgend railway station, like so many others, is not

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practical for buses. There was a plan to put as is in the car park

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behind, but the police objected. There is an issue there. We need to

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look at new alternatives in terms of delivering a proper transport hub.

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Along the lines of Caerphilly, which was a good example. We need to look

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at where bus stations and train stations are not close to each other

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in terms of accessibility. I thank him for his question, but I am a

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little sceptical about the attention my region has been given in the

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course of all this. Even that nonspecific third phase we were

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talking about, there are reports of a fast bus in the future. The people

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in my region don't see the lines on the map, so what will your

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Government do that all these -- to make sure that all these projects

:25:49.:25:53.

are developed and work properly for my constituents rather than creating

:25:54.:26:04.

cracks between them? The line coming into the town was built many years

:26:05.:26:10.

ago and is now a dual carriageway road and much of the line is gone,

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so it would be impractical to reinstate the line. We would have to

:26:19.:26:24.

consider other alternatives for towns like Porthcawl in the future,

:26:25.:26:29.

given that they were cut off in the 1960s. There was a suggestion of a

:26:30.:26:33.

fast but as a possibility, but there are other possibilities for towns

:26:34.:26:36.

that are a distance away from the heavy rail network in the future.

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First Minister, in order for the South Wales metro to deliver on its

:26:52.:26:59.

stated aims,... Argue as disappointed as I am that the

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Bridgend interchange will not be completed for another 10-15 years,

:27:04.:27:09.

and will be South Wales metro be able to deliver the interchange

:27:10.:27:15.

sooner than in resins -- than envisaged in the original plan? It

:27:16.:27:19.

depends on the money that we are going to lose - ?125 million - being

:27:20.:27:25.

made up by the UK Government. That will put a hole in the budget.

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Without that money, it will be far more difficult to advance, to

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quicken, the project along the lines she has mentioned. Will do the First

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Minister provide an update on his discussions with local authorities

:27:45.:27:49.

regarding business rate revaluation? The statutory body responsible for

:27:50.:27:58.

carrying out a review published a draft rating in September and

:27:59.:28:02.

ratepayers can check their valuation before it comes into effect in April

:28:03.:28:08.

next year. The impending revaluation continues to be a source of

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considerable concern for businesses in some parts of Wales, I accept not

:28:12.:28:15.

all, but certainly in my area. Monmouth Chambers of commerce met

:28:16.:28:24.

yesterday, and I have received their e-mail from a business in Chepstow

:28:25.:28:30.

that faces a potential doubling of rates. Can you update us on your

:28:31.:28:36.

discussions with stakeholders and businesses and tell us what you're

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going to do to allay these concerns? How will you tailor dismiss relief

:28:42.:28:46.

to the needs of those businesses worst affected by the revaluation?

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The point he makes is fair. We have an ongoing consultation at the

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moment. The responses to that have come almost entirely from Monmouth.

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There is an issue there for businesses there. Those who have

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benefited tend to be silent on these issues. In examining the issues that

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they have raised, that will help us to put in place a transitional

:29:10.:29:12.

scheme that will be as effective as possible for those places. The

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effect has been most marked there. We want to make sure that by

:29:23.:29:27.

listening to businesses that we can get the right scheme in place for

:29:28.:29:34.

the transitional phase. The First Minister will know that I have

:29:35.:29:37.

raised other cases with him from North Wales, when I asked him about

:29:38.:29:43.

the effect of the revaluations there. It is clear that a number of

:29:44.:29:48.

businesses throughout Wales are facing extreme increases in their

:29:49.:29:55.

liability as a result of the revaluation, so would he look again

:29:56.:29:59.

at the level of transitional relief that is provided and whether more

:30:00.:30:05.

can be done there? We are in an odd position of the revaluation

:30:06.:30:08.

happening and then I year later, there will be a more fundamental

:30:09.:30:13.

reform of the business rate scheme as a result of that -- of the

:30:14.:30:19.

business rate scheme. As a result of that, would it be worth looking at

:30:20.:30:23.

the relief again? I will do that as part of the consultation. There will

:30:24.:30:30.

be businesses who have seen a significant increase in business

:30:31.:30:34.

rates. Others have seen the exact opposite. It is revenue neutral in

:30:35.:30:40.

its intention, but the scheme is designed to be brought in as soon as

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is possible after the consultation has taken place, in order to provide

:30:46.:30:49.

help on a transitional basis. Then we will look at what the scheme

:30:50.:30:50.

looks like. Question six. What progress is the

:30:51.:31:01.

Welsh government making in improving survival rates for cancer? Cancer

:31:02.:31:04.

survival rates to continue to improve. Five-year survival has

:31:05.:31:14.

reached 50%. We will continue this improvement through the Cancer plan

:31:15.:31:18.

which was published this month. Last week Vikki Howells and myself had

:31:19.:31:23.

the great privilege to tour the laboratories of Cancer research

:31:24.:31:28.

Wales. We were able to witness the internationally renowned

:31:29.:31:30.

ground-breaking work which is taking place in Wales to increase

:31:31.:31:33.

scientific understanding of how cancer attacks the immune system.

:31:34.:31:37.

May I welcome warmly the Welsh government's revised cancer delivery

:31:38.:31:41.

plan which has just been launched. All of us can applaud the fact that

:31:42.:31:45.

patient satisfaction remains positive. Investment on spending has

:31:46.:31:54.

risen from ?347 million in 2011-12. What can the Welsh government do

:31:55.:32:00.

going forward to equip the scientists at Cancer research Wales

:32:01.:32:04.

with the tools they need to improve survival rates by improving early

:32:05.:32:09.

detection of cancer? We are investing ?4.5 million of funding

:32:10.:32:14.

over three years at the centre which was launched in October last year.

:32:15.:32:18.

And ?4.7 million is invested annually in support of recruiting

:32:19.:32:22.

patients to trials or studies and supporting health board research

:32:23.:32:31.

efforts. It is well known that survival rates of cancer are lower

:32:32.:32:38.

for those who receive diagnosis through A departments in

:32:39.:32:45.

hospitals. It is also known that there is some inequality in terms of

:32:46.:32:49.

who is likely to get a diagnosis in an A Department and at the less

:32:50.:32:55.

wealthy are more likely to go through that process rather than

:32:56.:32:59.

going through alternative processes and going to see their GP and so on.

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Would the First Minister agree with me that the government could look at

:33:04.:33:07.

introducing walk-in centres so that people who do have symptoms that

:33:08.:33:12.

they may have had for some time can actually go and get a checkup

:33:13.:33:16.

without going through the GP process in full? The problem is, I believe,

:33:17.:33:24.

with various cancers, is that they just present when one goes to an A

:33:25.:33:33.

Department because of the fact that systems -- symptoms aren't serious

:33:34.:33:37.

or become serious until you have to go to A With pancreatic cancer,

:33:38.:33:42.

once they get the diagnosis when they go into A, because it is so

:33:43.:33:46.

difficult to give a diagnosis for that kind of cancer. Others might

:33:47.:33:50.

feel some pain and they do nothing about it and we know that others

:33:51.:33:55.

have to go in and have immediate treatment. We have been working with

:33:56.:33:58.

the doctors to make sure that GPs can move people through the system

:33:59.:34:03.

so that they can have a cancer diagnosis as soon as. And we see

:34:04.:34:11.

that the vast majority of people to go through the system and get a

:34:12.:34:16.

diagnosis as soon as is. First Minister, the key to improving

:34:17.:34:20.

cancer survival rates is early diagnosis. It is therefore usually

:34:21.:34:23.

welcomed that the new cancer delivery plan for Wales is piloting

:34:24.:34:34.

diagnostic centres. However, the delivery plan states that improving

:34:35.:34:39.

access to diagnostics is an enormous challenge. What actions are you

:34:40.:34:45.

taking to address the shortage is in equipment and staff in pathology,

:34:46.:34:49.

radiography and oncology, identified in the delivery plan? We are

:34:50.:34:54.

investing nearly ?10 million in a new linear accelerator so that

:34:55.:34:58.

agents have access to the latest radiotherapy techniques and our

:34:59.:35:01.

centres perform well in terms of the rate of intensively modulated

:35:02.:35:07.

radiotherapy. We are committed to a new ?200 million Felindre Cancer

:35:08.:35:11.

centre through the transforming cancer services programme. We will

:35:12.:35:14.

revolutionise the way cancer services are delivered in the

:35:15.:35:19.

south-east of Wales. We are providing funding for contamination

:35:20.:35:23.

services in endoscopy services. All these things taken together will

:35:24.:35:28.

continue to improve the outlook for so many cancer patients, to help

:35:29.:35:34.

those living with cancer to use the correct terminology. Mark Reckless.

:35:35.:35:40.

When did the First Minister first call for the abolition of tolls on

:35:41.:35:44.

the seven bridges? It was in the manifesto in May. I can send you a

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copy if you want. I have read your manifesto. My previous quote was, we

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couldn't abolish the tolls, but any money raised can be applied to the

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M4. I dreaded the First Minister for the position he now adopts. I raise

:36:03.:36:07.

the issue that the UK's own powers to levy tolls under the seven

:36:08.:36:11.

bridges at ends -- expire after a certain amount of money has been

:36:12.:36:18.

raised. On a half tall, those powers wouldn't take it beyond 2019. Will

:36:19.:36:22.

the First Minister commit to exploiting his government's and this

:36:23.:36:27.

Assembly's powers to the maximum possible extent to avoid turning

:36:28.:36:34.

thereafter. I should have known you would have read the manifesto of

:36:35.:36:38.

course. I will reiterate what I said in committee, that is something that

:36:39.:36:41.

needs to be examined carefully. Mohammad Asghar. At a recent meeting

:36:42.:36:50.

of the Welsh affairs committee, Andrew Jones said in comes from the

:36:51.:36:54.

tolls of the Severn Bridge will not be used as a profit-making exercise.

:36:55.:36:59.

Once they return to public ownership. Given that the bridges

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generate more than ?90 million a year in revenue but cost only ?14

:37:04.:37:11.

million to maintain them, will the First Minister join me in welcoming

:37:12.:37:15.

this indication of a significant cut in tolls in the near future in

:37:16.:37:19.

Wales? I would prefer it if we controlled the tolls ourselves. They

:37:20.:37:24.

are in Wales after all. The problem is that I have seen so many

:37:25.:37:28.

different figures for the maintenance of both bridges, they

:37:29.:37:33.

range from ?20 million up to ?100 million. I think the issue is what

:37:34.:37:37.

the condition of the original bridge is. I think it is important there is

:37:38.:37:41.

a proper survey so it is understood what the liabilities that surround

:37:42.:37:45.

those bridges are and what the maintenance costs are likely to be

:37:46.:37:49.

going forward. Then we will have a better idea of what many needs to be

:37:50.:37:52.

funded in order for the tolls to be abolished. Rhianon Passmore. Last

:37:53.:38:00.

week the Cabinet Secretary for economy and infrastructure met the

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UK Tory government Transport Secretary Chris Grayling and told

:38:05.:38:07.

him in no uncertain terms that the tolls should be scrapped and if the

:38:08.:38:11.

UK Government was not prepared to do that it should not make a profit but

:38:12.:38:15.

simply charge the actual cost of maintenance. Maybe the member for

:38:16.:38:19.

South Wales East, Mark Reckless, could place in the Assembly library

:38:20.:38:24.

his contribution when he raged against his Tory government

:38:25.:38:27.

exploitation of the Welsh economy by refusing to scrap or minimise the

:38:28.:38:32.

tolls. Will the First Minister state how the Welsh government can

:38:33.:38:35.

continue to stand up for the people of Wales in the face of UK Tory

:38:36.:38:38.

government that is literally profiteering at our expense? We did

:38:39.:38:44.

suggest that we should take over the running of the bridge is subject to

:38:45.:38:47.

a proper survey and a proper understanding of the maintenance of

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those bridges. That was rejected. At the time we were told that the tolls

:38:53.:38:55.

would remain because they provided a source of income for spending on

:38:56.:39:00.

roads in England. Not a penny was going to come to Wales at that

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point. I think it's worth emphasising that as we look at the

:39:05.:39:08.

tolls, if we move to a situation with the tolls are abolished or if

:39:09.:39:11.

the UK Government looks at each Olin, that would cause traffic to

:39:12.:39:16.

arrive more quickly at the Brynglas Tunnels and add to congestion there.

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So the issue of the bridges needs to consider carefully because the

:39:21.:39:24.

impact of toll reduction has on traffic arriving then in Newport.

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Question eight, Adam Price. What consideration has the First Minister

:39:32.:39:36.

given to the National Infrastructure Commission for Wales having the

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function of an infrastructure bank? Well, we are currently out of

:39:42.:39:46.

consultation on establishing a commission to advise on longer-term

:39:47.:39:49.

strategic infrastructure needs to support a more stable investment

:39:50.:39:54.

framework for the future. The body as proposed would not have lending

:39:55.:40:01.

functions but, of course, a development bank will be developed

:40:02.:40:06.

so that more financial support will be available to businesses. Already

:40:07.:40:13.

this month, the Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has

:40:14.:40:19.

announced the establishment of an infrastructure bank for Canada. The

:40:20.:40:23.

former Canadian Prime Minister has called for the same for Australia.

:40:24.:40:27.

Hillary Clinton had campaigned in favour of an infrastructure bank and

:40:28.:40:33.

although Trump had opposed that, the President-elect has said he wishes

:40:34.:40:36.

to create an infrastructure bank for the United States. Isn't it time for

:40:37.:40:41.

us in Wales to take this opportunity, particularly as we are

:40:42.:40:44.

about to lose the only infrastructure we have in Wales,

:40:45.:40:50.

which is the EIB. It's not clear we are going to lose the EIB. We have

:40:51.:40:55.

been in discussions with the EIB and there is no reason why people out

:40:56.:41:01.

with the European Union can't receive funding, but in that case

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there will be less money available to the bank itself and so that is

:41:07.:41:11.

what the position is at present. We want to make sure that the

:41:12.:41:14.

development bank will be able to support businesses but at the

:41:15.:41:19.

present time the work of the commission is being developed. I am

:41:20.:41:23.

not in favour of a totally independent body, some kind of

:41:24.:41:26.

quango. We want to make sure the commission is a body that can

:41:27.:41:30.

develop and plan ahead for the best infrastructure for Wales for the

:41:31.:41:47.

future. Mark Isherwood. If, as you just indicated, the evolution of

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Finance Wales into a development bank might incorporate some

:41:52.:41:55.

investment or infrastructure bank functions, how will you ensure that

:41:56.:41:58.

it complies with the sustainable development principle implemented by

:41:59.:42:04.

the well-being and future generations act, given that we

:42:05.:42:06.

understand from evidence to committee that it would be bound by

:42:07.:42:11.

a bank of England requirements or EU rules on capital requirements,

:42:12.:42:16.

requiring risk sensitive and enhanced risk management? We expect

:42:17.:42:23.

all public bodies to add her to the principles of the well-being and

:42:24.:42:28.

future generations act and its seven goals. With regard to the progress

:42:29.:42:32.

of the development bank, that progress is going well. In order to

:42:33.:42:35.

which even the correct certifications so that the bank can

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operate, and we are confident it is on time. Question nine, Dawn Bowden.

:42:40.:42:47.

Will the First Minister make a statement on the prospects for

:42:48.:42:50.

economic growth in the South Wales valleys? We are delivering a range

:42:51.:42:53.

of actions to deliver strong prospects for the valleys. That

:42:54.:42:58.

includes a digital and transport infrastructure and we continue to

:42:59.:43:01.

tailor our approach in response to the outcome of the valleys task

:43:02.:43:08.

force. Thank you. I recently met with the Bevan foundation to discuss

:43:09.:43:13.

ideas and strategies for economic regeneration in my constituency and

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part of those discussions focused on the Cardiff capital region and the

:43:18.:43:21.

Metro. The capital region will undoubtedly bring significant

:43:22.:43:25.

benefits to the South Wales area but there is a danger that areas like

:43:26.:43:28.

Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney may not benefit because of its distance from

:43:29.:43:34.

Cardiff. In reality, Cardiff in itself cannot provide enough jobs

:43:35.:43:38.

for the needs of the valleys areas. Given that within 20 minutes of

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Merthyr Tydfil there is a population base of around 175,000, it is a key

:43:44.:43:55.

transport in this -- transport spot... Does the First Minister

:43:56.:44:00.

agree that Merthyr Tydfil is ideally placed to be a growth head for the

:44:01.:44:05.

Southeast valleys to act as a counterbalance to Cardiff and that

:44:06.:44:08.

this should be considered as an integral part of the government's

:44:09.:44:13.

economic strategy? Yes, Merthyr is in a good place in terms of

:44:14.:44:18.

transport. The Metro will benefit it greatly, the dualling of the Heads

:44:19.:44:22.

of the Valleys. The town centre has seen huge amounts of European

:44:23.:44:26.

funding to get to a position where it is far more attractive for

:44:27.:44:29.

businesses and the businesses who have come to the developments

:44:30.:44:33.

outside the town have, lamented the town centre, it seems to me. We see

:44:34.:44:38.

jobs coming to move the many years ago. The Welsh Governance Centre an

:44:39.:44:41.

office in Merthyr, General Dynamics, these are signs to me that Merthyr

:44:42.:44:46.

has a great future and great potential to act as an engine to

:44:47.:44:52.

drive the economy not just in the town but in the surrounding towns

:44:53.:44:55.

and villages as well. Question ten, Simon Thomas. Will the First

:44:56.:45:01.

Minister made a statement on the shortage of GPs in Wales? General

:45:02.:45:09.

practitioners in primary care remain critical to the success of the NHS

:45:10.:45:14.

in Wales. We continue to respond to the challenges for GPs and of course

:45:15.:45:17.

we have our campaign to market Wales as an attractive place for doctors

:45:18.:45:26.

careers. Well, First Minister, the shortage is critical in some areas.

:45:27.:45:31.

Not across areas but in certain areas such as Pembrokeshire there is

:45:32.:45:37.

a grave shortage of GPs. There is a recruitment campaign on going, I

:45:38.:45:39.

accept that, but in the meantime what are you doing to make sure that

:45:40.:45:44.

primary care is available to all in areas such as Southern Pembrokeshire

:45:45.:45:51.

by using pharmacies and using nurse practitioners and alternative

:45:52.:45:52.

methods of employing GPs directly? Well, the member is talking about

:45:53.:46:08.

Choose Well, which is a system where patients go to see the pharmacist

:46:09.:46:14.

first is. Only after that would they go to the GP surgeries, which would

:46:15.:46:19.

take the pressure off them. Where GP surgeries are closing down, the

:46:20.:46:25.

services then disseminated, but there is a question for the

:46:26.:46:34.

profession because more and more young GPs want to be salaried and

:46:35.:46:40.

not have to buy into a surgery. STUDIO: Pretty feisty exchanges this

:46:41.:46:47.

afternoon between Mr Jones and the leader of the Welsh Conservatives.

:46:48.:46:51.

Mr Davies suggested the Welsh Government hasn't done enough on the

:46:52.:46:54.

company behind the heads of the valleys race track. Mr Jones said

:46:55.:47:02.

the Government has done enough work and that is why the company has not

:47:03.:47:06.

got all the public money had asked for. Mr Jones and Mr Hamilton

:47:07.:47:11.

continue what has become their weekly trip down memory lane,

:47:12.:47:15.

talking about the coal industry. Continuing questions over the

:47:16.:47:23.

ownership of and the tolls on the Severn bridges. That was First

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