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Has he decided if we will be in Europol, yes or no?

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The honourable lady is an eminent branch --

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was an eminent front bench member and I take her question seriously.

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The Justice and home affairs stream is being assessed

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in that the as we speak and the aim is to preserve the relationship

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with the European Union on security matters as best we can.

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She will remember that last year there was a decision which was made,

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which laid aside about 100 measures which we didn't want to be part

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but kept some including European arrest warrant,

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controversially as she will remember.

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We are of course across that, of course and we are aiming

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to maintain that.

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That is the answer.

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I warmly congratulate my right honourable friend on his return

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to the government front bench after an unfortunate

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hiatus of 20 years.

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Is it not absolutely clear Mr Speaker that my right honourable

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friend has both the skills and the experience for the extremely

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difficult job that lies ahead and surely the whole house

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will wish him every success as he charts those

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extremely difficult waters.

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I must admit I didn't hear the question!

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Flattering as it is I don't intend to pay a fee for it, either!

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We learnt more from the Prime Minister's briefing journalists

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in China of substance than we had in that 15 minute about stakeholders

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and round tables.

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Could he please confirm that the points-based immigration

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system, the cut in VAT on fuel and the ?250 million extra

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every week for the NHS, the three main promises

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of the Leave campaign now lie in tatters.

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The task of my department is to deliver on the three things.

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The British people in the referendum voted for return to Parliament

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of control of their laws, control of our money and control

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of our borders and that is what my department will do.

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What happens then is down to the government and parliament

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but let me deal with one aspect of what he said.

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The points-based immigration system.

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What the Prime Minister said in China was very clear.

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She was concerned that a points-based system

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was actually open-ended, that it did not actually put

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a control on the number of people coming to the UK and therefore

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she wanted something that sounded like it would be more

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vigorous, not less.

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As 47 countries have free trade agreements with the EU

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without accepting any EU control over migration in their countries

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or accepting any contributions to the EU, would my right honourable

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friend confirm that taking back control cannot be negotiated

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with the French, Germans and the others.

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We take back control of those matters and we negotiated they wish

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over trade and would he further confirmed the French and German

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governments have indicated not at all that they wish to impose any

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tariffs on their very profitable trade with us because they don't

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believe in self harm.

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That last point goes to the heart of the question because free trade

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is not something which is a gift from one country to another,

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it is something which is mutually beneficial and I fully expect that

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when we come to do our negotiation with the European Union

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we will see them recognising, France, Germany, all of them,

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as a manufacturing surplus is delivered to us,

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we have a service so plus the other way and I expect we will both gain

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from the free trade agreements that comes out of that negotiation.

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Can I welcome the Secretary of State to his place and also welcomed

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the statement today and the visit he made recently to Northern Ireland

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where he met the First Minister and Deputy First

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Minister and others.

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Can he give us reassurance that as we seek to move forward and make

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a success of Brexit for the whole United Kingdom,

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which is what the British people in its entirety have voted for,

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all parts of it.

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Can he reassure me as a result of this national vote and members

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of the United Kingdom had an equal vote in that and have voted

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overwhelmingly to come out of the European Union,

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can the Secretary of State make it clear that he will work

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with ministers in Northern Ireland closely, but not just at ministerial

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level but that officials within his department will work

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closely with officials in the executive office

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and the Department of the economy and others to ensure we make

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a success of this project?

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I can tell the right honourable gentleman that is already happening.

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Officials in my department and other Whitehall departments are working

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with officials in the Northern Ireland Office to proceed

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on what will be one of the more difficult elements

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of the negotiation because we do have two deal with the issue

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of the border and keeping it open and not returning to the times

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of the recent past.

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I also agree with him in some depth in his statement that this

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is a national decision.

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A whole British nation, a whole United Kingdom nation

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that has decided this.

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Whilst we seek to meet and protect the interests of every part

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of the United Kingdom that does not mean that any part of it

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will have a veto on it, least of all the partisan reasons.

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I welcome my right honourable friend to his responsibilities and further

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welcome his agreement to come before the Foreign Affairs Committee next

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week in order to provide further follow-up to this statement.

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Does he share my assessment that there is a key foreign security

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and defence interest for our 27 European Union partners in finding

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continuing engagement with United Kingdom after Brexit?

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My right honourable friend is right and this is fundamental for one

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of the points I was making in the course of my earlier remarks.

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There is a very strong security, foreign affairs, foreign policy,

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environmental, a whole series of relationships that will continue

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to apply long after we have left the European Union to the benefit

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of both European Union and the United Kingdom.

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Can I welcome warmly the minister to his new position and I know that

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millions of Labour voters who were supporters who voted

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to Leave will be pleased there is someone in this position

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he genuinely wants to get out of the European Union.

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Can I ask him to confirm that there is a real difference

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between wanting to be members of the single market and wanting

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to have access of the single market and some of the Remainers

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should remember that.

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She is right and of course the access to the single market

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is actually not really up for grabs.

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It is there for everybody.

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There are many countries actually outside the European Union that do

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a better job in the single market than we do, even without a trade

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agreement so of course we want to have access

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to the single market, we don't need to be

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a member of its to do it.

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Being a member of that has caused some of the problems of sovereignty

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that this referendum was driven by.

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Congratulations to my right honourable friend

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on his appointment.

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Will he confirm that the vote to Leave requires the repeal

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of the European Communities Act 1972 and will the government bring

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in such a Bill as soon as is reasonably possible?

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The aspects of the European Union Act, European Communities Act 1972

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that are required to be repealed and those aspects that need to be

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carried into British law are very important set of issues that have

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to be decided.

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Once we have got to be proud of deciding that we will

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come back to the House at the first possible opportunity.

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Don't we need more specifics really from the Secretary of State?

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Don't we need to know the example that we can build those

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new relationships and not just wait until after

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the divorce proceedings finished.

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When this weekend the president of the EU commission said he wasn't

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keen on negotiating trade agreements that leave us in limbo.

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It is essential we get on with building knows

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It is essential we get on with building knows --

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those

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the relationships now and dealing with the Brexit issue at the same

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time as making sure that we forge those new relationships?

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We have do have them together, not one after the other.

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How will he secure that?

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He is right and indeed the suggestion from the commission

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that it is somehow illegal for my right honourable friend to go

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and talk to ministers in India, Canada or Australia or where ever

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he is going to next is ridiculous.

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The only thing they can say in legal terms is that we cannot bring

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into force an agreement until after we leave.

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That is perfectly fair and probable stock that is what the laws

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of the European Union are.

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He can take it as read that that is what we are doing.

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We are looking to make sure all that we have the fastest

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transition to our other opportunities that I mentioned

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as fast as possible after Brexit concludes.

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As the same on the other front suggestions we can't talk

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about the trade arrangement with Europe until Article 50's

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process is concluded and we are outside the European Union,

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that too is nonsense and I have looked carefully at several

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different

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versions in different languages of Article 50 and they all refer

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to the parallel negotiations that will take place.

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He can take it as read that on both the counts he is right and on both

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those counts we are pursuing the matter.

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Many of our industries depend on European regulation.

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There is some uncertainty about the future of this law.

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Further to his reply to my honourable friend the chairman

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of the select committee, can he confirm the government

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is going about work establishing the entire corpus of European law,

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establishing all the detail and following the path set

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by countries such as India and Australia when they took on full

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independence, converted the whole of British law into their national

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law and in subsequent years went through it,

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repealed, or improved upon it.

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Yes, my right honourable friend makes a good point.

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It is one of the reasons this process is taking some time.

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The legal interactions of the elements of British

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law and European law are not straightforward.

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My initial starting position was we put them all into law

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and take it from there.

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It doesn't quite work like that.

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That is why it is taking a little while but he can be sure

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that my legal section and my lawyers up on that issue as we speak

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and will come up with conclusions as quickly as they can

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and when they do, I will tell the House what their conclusion is.

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Scotland's fishing communities were due to receive over 100 million

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euros between now and 2020 from the EU.

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euros between now and 2023 from the EU.

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The Secretary of State today has committed to support our

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agricultural committees by guaranteeing that funding

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will be matched.

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Will he make a similar commitment to fishing communities to honour

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funding in the current funding round?

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Sadly, I didn't make the commitment, the Chancellor made the commitment

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and, well, with great respect, it isn't up to me to make

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commitments on behalf of the Treasury but what I will say

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to her is this.

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He made the commitment - if she reads and we will put a copy

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of the letter in the library, which he laid out the underpinning

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of the common agricultural policy and structural funds and science

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fund that he make the point clearly that this was effectively his

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decision until the Autumn Statement.

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What I would say to her and I will reflect it to him myself

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is what he has said so that before the Autumn Statement he is aware

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of her concerns.

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One of the legitimate concerns of many

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Remain voters was a fear that an unduly long period of uncertainty

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one negotiations were going on would be damaging for the British economy.

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Could my honourable friend then confirmed that it would be his piety

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to complete this process as soon as the, that the --

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his priority.

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That the two years to complete this is an arbitrary maximum and that

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countries which have left a political union,

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like Canada, Australia or India have done so in far less than two years.

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I defer to his knowledge of history on the other countries.

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What I will say to him is this.

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The Prime Minister has said that we will not trigger article

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50 until the New Year.

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The reason for that is not unnecessary delay or wasting time.

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It is to make sure we get all the decisions absolutely right.

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He has heard in the last few minutes about some of the complexity

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involved in the Acquis Communautaire alone.

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So what we will do is we will trigger article 50 as soon

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as is reasonably possible.

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I would rather be a month late and get it right than be a month

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early and get it wrong.

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We will do so as expeditiously as possible.

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The Prime Minister has said in clear terms that she thinks the British

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people expect us to get on with this.

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Angela Eagle.

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Unravelling 40 years of close corporation within the

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European Union with 27 nation states is, as the right gent is learning,

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gentleman is learning,

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is very complex issue.

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-- the right honourable gentleman, and as he he give us a view of how

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that is going and Kenny givers a few on workers prove rights,

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equal pay for equal value, weedy keeping that, with the EU laws

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guaranteeing pension payments if they are deferred wages still be

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recognised by this House?

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He talks about the sovereignty of Parliament.

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Will he give this Parliament much more of a say on the deal

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that is done?

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And is his government intending to give the British people a say

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on the deal when it is done?

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I will start by saying that we got our instructions

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from the British people to do this in the first place.

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But she raises some serious issues.

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Yes, of course, my views on the importance of Parliamentary

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accountability have not changed because I have moved

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four benches forward.

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I still believe that we should be as open with Parliament

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as it is possible to be in a negotiation.

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I am appearing before the Foreign Affairs Select Committee

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soon and undertaking -- an undertaking I made

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some time ago.

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I am doing the same with the House of Lords committee.

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On the question of employment rights, I would say that a very

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large component of the people who voted to leave the European Union

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could be characterised as the British industrial working

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class.

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And it is no part of my brief to undermine their rights.

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For a start.

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Nicky Morgan.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker.

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I welcome the Secretary of State to his new role.

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I think he is right that we need to respect the result of the 23rd

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of June and he is also right that people wanted further

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controls on immigration.

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They don't feel confident in the immigration Wallasey

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is that we have had.

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I don't know -- policies that we have had.

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But the missing words are single market.

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We will be arguing between access to the single market and the freedom

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of people to come to this country.

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When will the government set out its views on the fundamental point.

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I start from a disagreement with the honourable lady.

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The simple truth is, as I said earlier, that the negotiation over

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free trade with the European Union is something that will be

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to the benefit of both sides.

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Beneficial for us and the European countries themselves.

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The question of immigration and control of immigration is a very

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high priority for this government as the Prime Minister

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has made plain.

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So I am afraid that I don't agree with the fundamental tenet

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of the question.

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I don't think that is a natural trade-off.

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The negotiation has got to be very much on what is in the mutual

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benefit of this country and the European Union.

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45 Japanese companies operate in Wales supporting some 6000 jobs

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mainly in tech manufacturing.

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Manufacturing itself is worth ?9 billion to the Welsh economy.

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What assurances can the government give to those companies

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and the workers that the Welsh economy will not be

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harmed by Brexit?

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It is the same assurance that I give to all my factory operations

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-- manufacturing operations in the UK.

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The aim of this because the Asian -- to all manufacturing operations.

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The aim of this negotiation is to get the best deal that we can.

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Getting access to the European markets and also exploiting the best

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arrangements with the non-European markets.

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On manufacturing alone, the quantity of exports that we make

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to the European Union is exceeded by the exports we make to those

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countries with whom we have no free trade agreement at all.

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So once we get a free trade agreement, or many of them,

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as my right honourable friend will do, we won't see downside,

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we will see opportunities.

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Oh, yes, a most exotic delicacy in the House, Mr Michael Gove.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker.

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Can I congratulate my friend on his long overdue return

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to ministerial office.

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In the seven short weeks since he has been in office

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alongside our new Foreign Secretary and our new Secretary of State

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for International trade, we have seen a record increase

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in service industries' growth, in manufacturing industry grows,

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a 3.3% increase in motor car sales, and also the Speaker of the US

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Congress, the promise of Australia and the Prime Minister

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-- the prime minister of Australian and of New Zealand pressing for free

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trade agreements with this country

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while the deputy Chancellor of Germany has acknowledged

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that the EU- US trade deal is dead in the water.

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Does that not confirm that the 17 million people who voted to leave

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the European Union in this country know a darn sight more

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about economics and the members of the IMF, the OECD,

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the IFS and all these other experts who have egg on their face?

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My right honourable friend is not known for understating his case!

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But I would point out that it was 17.5 million people that

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made that judgment.

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And he is right.

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Much of the doom and gloom, the fear mongering that went

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on before the referendum, has been proven wrong.

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That being said, I would not be quite so unalloyed optimistic

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as he is because we are in a world in which there are a lot

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of economic pressures going on.

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That is why the meetings in China are going on now.

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So I think that he makes a point brilliantly, as always.

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And I agree with the main thrust of it but let's not get too

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optimistic before we close the deal.

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The Secretary of State said he wants to have the supremacy

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of this Parliament.

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If we are a sovereign, supreme Parliament, why is this

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Parliament not going to have a decision as to

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when we trigger article 50?

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We did, it was called a Referendum Act and it was passed

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by 6-1 in this Parliament.

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Mr Dominic Grieve.

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Thank you.

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May I congratulate my right honourable friend in his abysmal

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failure to avoid high office over ten years.

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It is a great pleasure to see him in his place.

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May I also reassure him that as someone who supported his Remain

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campaign, that I see it is my absolute duty to support

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the government in giving effect to the public desire to leave

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the European Union including supporting the limitation

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the government of article 50.

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My right honourable friend pointed out that the matter

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is legally complex.

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It also concerns the Acquis Communautaire, the conferring

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of private legal rights on individuals in this country

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which have the force of statute.

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And I have to say to my right honourable friend that the idea

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that those should simply be revoked by our exit, without parliamentary

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approval, troubles me very much.

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And it appears to me to be an abdication of the responsibility

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of this House.

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I accept that in many cases, they have been created

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by Henry VIII's clauses, the unsatisfactory nature of the EU.

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But if we cannot scrutinise them before Article 50 is invoked,

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we will be allowing the government to dispose

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of private property rights, including intellectual

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property, by decree.

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And that troubles me very much.

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I would ask him to use ingenuity to find ways

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of resolving this dilemma.

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It's a pleasure to hear from my right honourable

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friend long-time friend.

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But he is over interpreting what I have said.

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Article 50 is the beginning of this process, it is not the end.

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There will be many opportunities for this House to scrutinise

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what we are about to do after article 50 takes Place.

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But it is somewhat futile before we actually start the negotiations

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because some of those negotiations have a direct impact on the rights

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he is talking about.

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He can take it from me, I didn't spend all those years

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on the backbenches defending there is right,

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to give them up now.

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Hilary Benn.

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Does the Secretary of State agree that it would be a good idea to find

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some way of maintaining a form of cooperation on foreign policy

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after we leave the European Union because even after exit,

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we will still be very much part of Europe and there are a great

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number of challenges around the world on which we will have

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to continue to work with our European neighbours?

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The right honourable gentleman is absolutely right.

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And the tradition in this country in maintaining strong effective

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alliances, generally for good in the world at large is one that

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I fully expect to continue.

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Indeed, one aspect of the picture that I see

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of the future that I see is that Britain will continue to be a good

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global citizen as it always has been and cooperation on foreign

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policy is part of that.

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Cheryl Gillan.

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May I add my congratulations to my right honourable friend.

0:27:000:27:03

It is good to see him in his natural habitat at the dispatch box.

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Businesses in the UK are not just concerned about access

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to the single market.

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They are concerned about other matters and a unitary patient

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and the proposed new unitary patient caught, unified patient caught,

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has been eagerly anticipated.

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You currently are required to file a separate page ands

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in separate countries.

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The UK was due to ratify this agreement.

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Will he confirm that the UK will ratify this agreement

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and we will continue to pay a full part in a British businesses benefit

0:27:500:27:54

from being able to be part of a unified patient authority.

0:27:540:27:56

I will say this to my right honourable friend.

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For as long as we are a member of the European Union,

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which will be at least two micro years, we will meet

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all our obligations and we will take our

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responsibilities extremely seriously.

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Can I ask the Secretary of State to face the House.

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Sometimes his answers are not fully heard.

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They are hard by the person he is looking at.

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All I can do is plead inexperience, Mr Speaker.

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Yes!

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May I congratulate the Secretary of State on his return to the front

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bench and thank you for his answer to all those Labour constituencies

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who voted to leave and in making control of our borders

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the cornerstone of negotiations.

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Can I take him back to the question that the Member for Woking asked.

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Given the huge trade surplus Europe has with us,

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how does he think that power position will play out

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when we are talking about membership of or access to the single

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market?

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Well, it is early days to forecast negotiations

0:29:190:29:22

but he is right there is a large trade surplus.

0:29:220:29:38

of the referendum campaign that was lost in cars

0:29:380:29:39

from Germany alone for example.

0:29:390:29:41

With the European Union facing economic difficulties I don't think

0:29:410:29:44

they will want to create problems for themselves in creating bilateral

0:29:440:29:47

arrangements that hurt themselves.

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So, the way I think it will play out is over the course of the period

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concerned people will start to focus on what their own

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national interest is.

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My experience of the European Union is that the commission makes a great

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deal of public statements that at the end of the day

0:30:020:30:04

it is the national interest of the individual countries that

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actually decide the outcome

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unknown to you and others of your type.

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