Jeremy Corbyn on Woman's Hour Election 2017


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In nine days' time my next guest Jeremy Corbyn is hoping to become

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this country's seventh Labour Prime Minister. In the run-up to polling

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day we have invited leaders hour to tell us about themselves and why we

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should vote for them. Good morning. The last time we met you were trying

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to become the Labour leader for the first time. No pink buses on this

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general election. You probably want to talk about childcare. Your party

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announced this morning about extending childcare for all to to

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four-year-olds. I wanted to know why you wanted to do that as you are

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coming on woman's hour. Isn't this an issue that affects everyone? Of

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course. It affects the whole community. It affects all of our

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children and it is there in the manifesto and set out because the

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moment we have a patchwork of preschool opportunities, childcare

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which means that some children don't get very much opportunities and some

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get more, what we want is a universal offer of 30 hours per

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week. We know from polling that the economy tops men and women's top

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issues. How much will it cost to provide an means tested childcare

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for 1.3 million children? It will cost a lot to do so, we accept that.

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It is cost a lot at the point I'm making is we are making universal so

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sure that every child gets it and sure that every child gets it and

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those at the moment to get free places... How much will it cost? I

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will give you the figure in a moment. You have announced a major

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policy and you don't know how much it will cost? Can I give you the

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exact figure in a moment? You don't know the figure. All of our

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manifesto is fully costed and examined. You don't know how much

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it's going to cost. Can we come back to that in a moment? My point is it

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is quite troubling because it's a policy you are launching today and

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you don't know how much it's going to cost. It hardly inspires the

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voters. What is important for the voters to understand is if we don't

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invest now children and we don't invest in them for the future they

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do less well in primary school and secondary school and less well in

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the future. But you don't know the cost. I want to give you an accurate

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figure. Why on earth are you giving free childcare is to people who can

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afford it? The important thing is that all children get a chance to

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grow up together. At the moment we have a system which separates out in

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the sense that a child of wealthy parents may well be able to go to a

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paid for preschool nursery facility but others will not get that chance

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because their parents can't afford it. But this is a very expensive

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policy. Would you like to hear how much it's going to cost? It's more

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important to collect the money back through taxation on the principle of

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Universalism. The same applies with the NHS and mainstream education. It

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is a staggering costs. Your Shadow Education Secretary says its ?2.7

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billion and banned for pointed alien with half a billion to reverse the

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cats. Does that sound right? It does. The importance of restoring

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shorts start is that this Conservative government have close a

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lot of them down. It has damaged the chances of a lot of children. We

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have to be in a situation where we trust you with our money and you

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didn't know those figures. The next nine days are about convincing

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people you are at to the biggest job in the land. You have never held a

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ministerial role, a Shadow Cabinet role or Chile select committee and

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before politics you never ran a big organisation. Harry Fletcher who was

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a former key adviser left your campaign and said he struggled to

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cope with the demands of front line politics, your office is ruled by

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chaos, there is no diary, there are thousands of unopened e-mails and

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your team is frightened of making decisions. Harry Fletcher was never

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an adviser. He was a volunteer in my campaign. I didn't expect you not

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know how much your policy was going to cost. We have manifesto here

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which is about challenging the direction in which this country has

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gone in that we have now had seven years of continuous cuts in public

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expenditure which is hit local government the hardest but also head

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health and education as well. We have also a process by which

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corporation tax is being reduced continuously and narrowed down to

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18%. And we have underfunded public services and the growing gap seen

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the richest and the poorest. What we are suggesting is that we raise

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corporation tax to a lower level than it was in 2010 in order to pay

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for the re-funding of health and social care. I am happy you brought

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up social care. But you didn't know the figures are key bit of policy

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and you don't have the experience. My office is not run chaotically. We

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were put together in two weeks because they and -- election is

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unexpected. We have an economic strategy which is fundamentally

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about investment in our economy for the future. Another big battle

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ground is social care. You plan to increase spending on social care and

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introduce a national care service but you have not set out again how

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you would find it. You talk of cross-party consensus on says,

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employer contributions or a new social care levy but that is quite a

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range of suggestions. How would you pay for your social care? We would

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put into billion per year straightaway to cover the funding

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gap at the moment. We would not put a figure on it of taking away

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property value. We would fund that now and then come to an agreement on

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how we do long-term funding of social care. The principle has to be

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that we will put the money in to deal with the crisis and then make

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sure we have a principal long-term strategy to ensure the social care

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is universally available. At the moment it's a very patchy system.

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Some local authorities do it out of another's. Some people have to give

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up work. So it's not costed? 2 billion per year would go in now in

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order to cover the immediate crisis. They have been huge cuts made in

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social care in the last seven years and that has resulted in these

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million people and it impacts on health expenditure because people

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are stuck in hospital when they should leave. Let's move to another

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area of financial concern: the campaign to tackle inequalities in

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the stench -- state pension for women born in the 50s. You have said

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you would give pension credits to help some of these women. In your

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manifesto it says labour is exploring options for further

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transitional protections. Why not make a manifesto commits and to

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compensate these women and spell out what transitional protection you are

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talking about? We were put in a now to ensure they get pension and

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credit which would go towards compensating what they have

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suffered. Then we would make sure they don't lose out because of the

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way in which the pension age was raised without them expecting it to

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planning for it. This cohort of women have suffered very badly. Why

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not make that commitment to compensate? We said we would put

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pension credit in now and then we would love that way of them for it.

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There is a manifesto commitment to make sure they don't lose out. I

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wish we had had more time to get further discussions on it but the

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principle is whilst they have been badly treated we believe they should

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be compensated. Let's go to another area of financial concern, the

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definitive issue of this election, Brexit. Negotiating our elected from

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the EU. Many people may struggle to differentiate between Labour's

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position and the Conservatives. Theresa May has said clearly she

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will walk away with no deal. Would you leave those negotiations with no

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deal? It seems a strange way to start negotiations. There is little

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incentive on the other side to come to agreement if you're going to walk

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off. We have to approach the Brexit negotiations on a number of

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principles. We have to accept the leaving the EU. Next, guaranteeing

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EU nationals rights of permanent residence in Britain. They need that

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certainty. The key part is tariff free trade access to the European

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market. But would you be willing to walk away with no deal? We will

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negotiate to get a deal. You don't walk away, you stay at the table to

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get a deal. If those negotiating now we will do a deal at any cost you

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are going in on the back foot. It's the other way round, you are saying

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you want to continue a good trading relationship with Europe. You need

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to make sure those manufacturing jobs have and you need to make sure

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European nationals have guaranteed rights. So you are willing to do a

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deal at any cost? We are not threatening to set this country up

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as a local Brit tax saving on the shores of Europe. There has to be an

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economic relationship with Europe. So you are saying there has to be a

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deal. There has to be in agreement whoever is in government. The

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principle behind it is tariff free access in order to defend what is

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here and to maintain the links such as university education and health

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links. What is your cash out point? Is it 100 billion? We are going to

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the negotiating table in Brussels with a mandate to say two things,

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European Union and that we have European Union and that we have

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fought an election on the basis that we want to achieve a trade agreement

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with the European Union. That is a good sensible starting point. It's

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also in the interest of countries in Europe that they have that trade

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agreement. I am not going to give a cash out point. Labour has pledged

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to renew Trident. Your lack of a personal commitment to Trident is a

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tricky one to voters. Who do they believe? The manifesto is a product

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of the policies of the Labour Party. The Labour Party has debated this

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issue for a long time. I did vote against the renewal of Trident and I

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was not successful in that and the party has come to that conclusion.

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Where we are agreed and what I will Where we are agreed and what I will

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give a huge priority to is recognising that any nuclear weapons

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ever used anywhere is catastrophic for the entire planet. I have spent

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my life working with the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty to bring

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back a nuclear free world and I will put as much effort as I can to bring

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about the reality of a nuclear free world. You are still its vice

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president according to its website. I am a member of CND, I am not a

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vice president. I resigned from those positions when I became leader

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of the party. Can people trust you on that? I think people will

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recognise that this manifesto has been produced by a party membership

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which has put forward a transformational set of policies for

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Britain. I am proud to lead the party. I am proud to accept the

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democracy of the Labour Party. The point is to be successful in

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politics you have to bring people together. It is well known that

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Labour Party has still never elected a woman. Let me ask you this, what

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single policy do you consider vital to introduce to improve the lives of

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women? Big investment in early years education and our education strategy

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in schools. Linking girls to educational opportunities and beyond

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that it's about encouraging girls to go into science and engineering as

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well as all the other subjects. My mother was a science teacher and she

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taught me about the importance of girls in doing engineering and

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physics and science subjects. It is saying to girls you can do anything

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and getting that message across but it's also about how we deal with

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structures and gender inequality and the bug appointments and I have made

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sure the Shadow Cabinet I've appointed is more than half of

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female members in it. Some of said you had to do more to

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stop the abuse coming their way and accuse you of inadequate response.

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Angela Eagle said you contributed to a permissive environment for abusive

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behaviour to flourish. Whiting you do more? I did everything I do

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everything I possibly can. Do of any sort is absolutely unacceptable. I

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met Angela and all of the women Labour MPs to discuss this issue and

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pointed out what our policies were. You can't say they didn't do it in

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your name. They were your supporters. They did not do it in

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mining because it was made very clear that any degree of abuse is

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unacceptable. I got in touch with anyone who was involved in the

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campaigning work to say this is completely unacceptable and

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completely wrong and it is not within the rules of the Labour

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Party. Nine days away from finding out if you get the top job, I

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presume you will resign as leader if you lose?

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