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It is time for the latest in a series of interviews with the | :00:16. | :00:22. | |
smaller parties. The National health action party was founded in 2012 | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
buy-2-mac consultants who opposed an act which enacted wide-ranging | :00:29. | :00:35. | |
reform in the NHS. It would start by repealing the social care act which | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
would reverse the reforms including the removal of the retirement -- | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
requirement to tender a contract to the private sector. They will ensure | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
that NHS funding increases by 4% every year in real terms. They would | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
call for the abolition of prescription charges in England as | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
is policy in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. They would | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
introduce free social care and increase funding to meet the needs | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
of tolerable elderly and disabled people. They want to safeguard | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
collaboration with the EU on health issues and medical research. We are | :01:10. | :01:16. | |
joined by the action party's Doctor Louise Irvin. It is standing in five | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
seats in England. Why do we need your party? It started five years | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
ago with the intention of fighting to defend the NHS a -- against cuts | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
and privatisation. I feel that we needed more than ever. We've grown | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
in support, we have a wide influence. I think we have in full | :01:37. | :01:49. | |
and Labour Party policy. But it is a single issue party? It is not. We | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
fight on all the broad principles of health, the education, environment, | :01:54. | :02:04. | |
inequality, poverty. Which bits of the Labour Party manifesto have been | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
written with you in mind? We are part of a broader movement which has | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
moved Labour Party more towards, in the manifesto it talks about | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
repealing the act, which we, as campaigners are going to campaign | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
on. It has been very reluctant until now to address the issue of | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
privatisation of the NHS. I welcome it but I feel we need people like | :02:29. | :02:36. | |
our party and campaigners to help. You've got Louise to thank for the | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
manifesto. It was under Labour that this started. For the first, I am | :02:41. | :02:48. | |
pleased. Would you have done it without them? Yes. The party of the | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
NHS of the Labour Party. We will put ?37 billion into the NHS to reduce | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
the waiting list. We will put capital investment into the NHS, not | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
by forcing hospitals to sell off land and assets. We will give | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
hospitals the money to rebuild them. Would you rather see the Labour | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
Party being elected than the Conservative Party. Yes as long as | :03:17. | :03:24. | |
they stay true to their promises. Tony Blair promised to end the | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
privatisation of the NHS and not go forward with PFI and they did the | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
opposite in power. We cannot afford to completely trust what people say | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
in their manifesto. When you say about the funding, your proposed | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
funding will not meet the projected rate of growth if it kept up with | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
GDP rates. You say the Labour Party is not going to keep pace with a | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
growing elderly population. How would you find an increase in NHS | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
funding of 4% in real terms every year. It is not a number we've | :04:01. | :04:10. | |
picked out of the air. Good. This is what the OBR and other analysts say | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
is the amount needed to meet the funding gap and maintain the quality | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
of services and to meet growing demand. It is in keeping with the | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
long-running average around other developed countries. I will not be | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
part of the government and I will not be making detailed budgetary | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
plans but what we will be doing is pushing government, who ever is in | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
government, to meet that funding need and it could be done through | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
taxation, in different ways, looking at tax avoidance, corporate tax, | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
reducing bureaucracy in the NHS, investing in health and education. | :04:52. | :04:59. | |
Do you accept that to meet the needs of a growing population you would | :05:00. | :05:07. | |
need to look at funding a 4% in real terms in the NHS? I have a look at | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
their manifesto and the problem is the aim is to have the average of | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
most G-7 countries but most of them have insurance and contribution | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
-based approach. We don't do that and are NHS is unique. We've | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
invested more. Your answer is you would not do it. You've got to have | :05:26. | :05:33. | |
a strong economy and the problem is all the wish lists, they are for the | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
birds unless you have a strong economy. If you have a strong | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
economy why could you not spend more? It is the only way you get | :05:45. | :05:51. | |
revenue. A wish list is for the birds unless you deliver that. | :05:52. | :06:00. | |
Is there no role for the private sector within the NHS? | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
They could be a small role where there are gaps in | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
You shouldn't structure the NHS around | :06:07. | :06:08. | |
It is wasteful, it fragments and it is | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
chaotic and it short-changes patients because it diverts money | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
We would have an NHS which is substantially a | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
public service and we want to bring legislation to reinstated as a | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
public servers, more than just repealing the health and social care | :06:22. | :06:23. | |
act, reversing all of the privatisation. | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
We've heard about the fall in numbers of the police, 19,000, it | :06:26. | :07:01. | |
has been reported as. You should never have cut the numbers of | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
police. What we've done is protected counter-terrorism policing budgets. | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
We funded and uplift and increase in the number of armed police. We are | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
protecting overall police budgets in England and Wales. What we are also | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
doing is ensuring the police and security services have the powers | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
they need to be able to deal with the terrorists. So we've enhanced | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
the powers available to them. Jeremy Corbyn has boasted that he has | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
opposed every piece of anti-terrorist legislation since | :07:35. | :07:35. | |
he's been in | :07:36. | :07:36. |