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Give me your general message On Thursday we have an opportunity to | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
make a positive statement about the kind of country we want Scotland to | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
be. As this campaign's progressed, people have really seen what five | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
more years of the Tories would mean. It would be deeper cuts to Public | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
Services, it would be damaging for jobs and it would push more people | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
into poverty. The reality is that in Scotland, the only way to stop the | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
Tories, the only way to stop Theresa May getting a bigger majority is to | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
vote SNP. A vote for Labour or the Liberals in Scotland simply risks | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
splitting the anti-Tory vote and letting a Tory MP in the back door. | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
If you want to vote for greater investment in Public Services and | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
policies that lift people out of poverty, vote SNP and make sure we | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
have strong voices in Westminster. Can I ask you about the events in | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
London over the weekend and the implications for everybody's | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
security? Theresa May came out in Downing Street saying enough is | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
enough. Does that actually -- what does that actually mean to you? She | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
has to outline what she thinks it means. Nobody can escape the fact | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
that Theresa May's been Home Secretary for the past number of | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
years before she was Prime Minister. She presided over significant cuts | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
in policing in England and there is a lot of concern about that. Now, | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
security is one of the most important priorities for any | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
Government in Scotland where we are not immune at all from the threats, | :01:35. | :01:40. | |
and we have invested to maintain police numbers and we have seen over | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
times increases in the numbers of trained armed officers we have got. | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
There must be a determination across all of the parties to challenge | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
robustly extremism in all of its forms. As we do that, we have dot to | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
make sure we pull people together, not divide or scapegoat any | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
particular community. We have to make sure as well we don't undermine | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
the freedoms and civil liberties of who we are. That is a difficult | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
balance. How will the SNP tread the fine line between clamping down on | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
extremism but also not invading people's privacy too much? Civil | :02:14. | :02:20. | |
liberties are part of the values we have as a society. If we allow them | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
to be undermined, the terrorists win and we don't want that to happen. Of | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
course, it's important that we have police on our streets and it's | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
important that at times we have higher police presences, armed | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
officers, but we must make sure we protect the liberties that we all | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
cherish. It's also really important we don't scapegoat a particular | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
community. I'm talking specifically about the Muslim community. | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
Terrorists that carry out horrific acts in the name of Islam are not | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
acting on behalf of that faith, they are perverting the teachings of that | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
faith. I think it's really important to pull people together to isolate | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
and drive extremism out. That's going to be all the more important | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
in the weeks and months ahead. By the time we get to the point of | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
having more armed officers on the street, isn't that too late? | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
Shouldn't we be doing more earlier on? I know you said you don't want | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
to scapegoat a particular community but the people doing the terrorist | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
acts aren't claiming their acts in the name of God? They are claiming | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
it but I don't think that because somebody claims something is in the | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
name of any particular faith that that should just be accepted. I know | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
I represent a constituency in Glasgow with a very big Muslim | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
population. Muslims in this country are as appalled as anybody else is | :03:38. | :03:39. | |
when terrorist acts like this happen. The reality is, if you are a | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
Muslim in this country, you are far more likely to be the victim of a | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
terrorist attack than the perpetrator. Of course it's not just | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
about police on the streets, it's about tackling extremism at source | :03:53. | :03:55. | |
and we work very hard in Scotland with different faiths to make sure | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
we are doing that. My point is, we are going to be more successful in | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
doing that if we work in partnership with communities, not if we suggest | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
that a particular community is the enemy. These are not easy issue, | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
these are difficult challenges, all governments though have a | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
responsibility to make sure they are doing everything possible to keep | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
the population safe. That does sometimes require increased police | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
presence on the streets, that's why in Scotland, unlike in the rest of | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
the UK, we have maintained police numbers and increased policing | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
numbers. The Government's putting together a report into who was | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
funding extremist ideaology in the UK. It hasn't finished yet but there | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
are rumours that it hasn't been published yet because it could be | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
embarrassing. What is your take on that? That should be published. | :04:46. | :04:53. | |
David Cameron gave an undertaking to look at that, look at the picture of | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
funding for looking at that. I have a clear idea of the countries | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
providing that funding. Theresa May said yesterday the fight against | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
terrorism will sometimes involve difficult discussions and that's | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
true at home but it's also going to be true overseas as well. The idea | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
the Government can commission a report like this and think it can | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
keep it hidden is unacceptable. I think she's got it wrong over the | :05:18. | :06:04. | |
police cuts. I also think she's got it wrong over border guard cuts as | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
well and indeed cuts to the Prison Service. I'm not sure that these | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
comments have much legitimacy coming from someone like Jeremy Corbyn, | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
someone who's called Hamas and Hezbollah as friends. I mean, to | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
attack Theresa May on the issue of terrorism and it really is a weak | :06:21. | :06:22. |