Sir Keir Starmer Election 2017


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Thanks very much I'll try and live up to that billing, now,

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and thank you all for coming this morning and being with

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As Jenny has said, at this election there will be a clear choice

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on the ballot paper, two visions of Brexit.

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Labour's approach, which is going to be based on our values,

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Because, they are values of internationalism,

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of being outward looking, of a belief that we achieve more

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A fundamental belief that internationally we should face

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challenges together with other countries and take advantages and

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Now, as Jenny said, we accept that things will have to change,

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our relationship with the EU is going to change, but we do not

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accept, we do not accept, that Brexit has to mean what ever

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We do not accept that there has to be a reckless Tory Brexit.

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And that is a fundamental issue in this election,

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it is a fundamental issue for everyone who will be voting.

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We do not believe that if you are a citizen of the world,

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Of course we recognise and accept that immigration rules

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are going to have to change when we leave the EU,

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let me say that again, we accept that immigration rules

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are going to have to change when we leave the EU.

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But, we don't accept that immigration should be the only

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overarching priority, the only red line.

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Nor do we believe that leaving the EU means that we have to sever

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That Brexit means weakening workers' rights, environmental protections,

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or that it must entail slashing corporate taxes.

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We have a very different vision, a vision about how Brexit can work

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And at its heart is a belief that we need to build a close,

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collaborative future relationship with the EU,

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a changed relationship, but a relationship.

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And collaborative future relationship.

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Not members, of course, but genuine going forward.

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Where jobs, the economy and retaining the benefits

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of the Single Market and the Customs Union

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Where hard-fought workplace rights and the environment

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Where we are truly an open, outward looking country.

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Where EU nationals living here are guaranteed their rights

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and can live in certainty that Brexit will not affect them.

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A Brexit that brings the country together,

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radically devolves power and supports all regions

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That's the approach to Brexit I will set out today.

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But let me deal with this head-on, and summarise the key differences.

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The Prime Minister has adopted an ideologically approached view of

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It has led her down a slippery slope,

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nothing to do with the single market, nothing to do with the

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customs union, nothing to do with the European Court or any court.

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Nothing to do with the very many agencies that do such fantastic

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collaborative work that is so important to all of us.

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Out of all of those an approach that has led to

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collaborative work that is so important to all of us.

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It means taken option at that option off the table at the beginning of

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Talking up no deal as if that is acceptable, some

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people say, that is a clear approach, it is a rigid approach, it

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is removing options before we have started and It's

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What Labour will do is to scrap the Brexit white paper.

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And draw up new negotiating objectives.

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We will on day one unilaterally guarantee the

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rights of EU citizens in this country.

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And of course fight for the right of UK citizens across

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We will scrap the Great Repeal Bill and replace it with what

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it should be, an EU rights and protections Bill.

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We will give a proper role to Parliament in the

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process, not sideline it and treat all challenge

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We will, of course, rebuild Britain by investing in people in a future

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So, let me deal first with the white paper, the

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Labour s White Paper will have a strong emphasis

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on retaining the benefits of the single market

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and the customs union as we know that is vital to protecting jobs

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Our White Paper will make clear that jobs and the economy are Labour s

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That means we will seek, continued tariff-free trade

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between the UK and the EU, no new non-tariff burdens

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we will ensure regulatory alignment and continued competitiveness

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Retaining the all important threshold of

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workplace rights so there is no race to the bottom, as we go forward.

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I have been all over the country talking to businesses large and

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small, communities large and small, trade unionists and all of them sing

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with one voice on the need for these benefits to be the central part of

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Whether this is best achieved through reformed membership

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of the single market and the customs union

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or via a bespoke trading arrangement is secondary to the outcome.

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What matters for jobs, the economy and living standards

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is that we retain the benefits that really matter.

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And let me tell you this, what cannot be negotiated,

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because these negotiations are not going to be easy, what cannot be

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negotiated, we will replicate back here in the UK.

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Let me give you an example, regulartory and

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alignment, we will fight hard fight hard

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and the people who work in those businesses

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the future the way they have succeeded in the past.

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And if we cannot get the repertory alignment may need through

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negotiations in Brussels, we will achieve it at home through primary

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legislation. If there is any issue an workplace right we will achieve

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it back home through primary legislation. What matters is when

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the end package is met, we have met the commitment of the same benefits

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of the single market and the customs union. They are so important. That

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means we need to focus, not on hypothetical trade deals with other

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countries, but Armstrong trading arrangements with the U. After all,

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the you account for 44% of our exports.

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It is by far and away our most important trading partner.

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It is extraordinary that we have a Prime Minister who has given up

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on the Single Market and the Customs Union even before

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negotiations have begun, but is so willing to talk up

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the chance of there being no deal reached.

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And it was received very badly by our EU neighbours. She has spoken

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up, talk. , the chances of no deal being reached. She said repeatedly

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that no deal is better than a bad deal. No deal is better than a bad

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deal? Labour are very clear that no deal is the worst possible deal. It

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would cause huge damage to our businesses and to our trade. The

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examples just make that absolutely clear, parrots, of 30 to 40% on

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dairy, and meat products. -- parrots of 30 to 40%. 10% on cards and loss

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of transporting right. When I was with Vauxhall yesterday the anxiety

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about that outcome is etched on the face of everyone who works the and

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in so many of our other businesses across the country. No wonder the

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CBI are calling it a recipe for chaos. A labour approach would end

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this reckless approach. We will be clear, we need to negotiate strong

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transitional arrangements as we leave the EU and ensure that there

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is no cliff edge for our, me. Reject no deal as a viable option and

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introduce and fight for transitional arrangements from the start. We will

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also approach the task differently. Theresa May wants to close down

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scrutiny and to challenge, in truth that lies partly behind her decision

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to call an election. The idea that she should be challenged or question

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in Parliament in a meaningful way is something she will not have. She

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wants to knock that out of the way. Everyone knows that strong leaders

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and strong decisions welcome scrutiny and accountability, welcome

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challenge. That is how we arrive at the right decisions. These decisions

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are so important we cannot duck this issue. So, Labour will take a

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different approach working with Parliament not against Parliament,

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we will legislate to ensure that there is a meaningful vote at the

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end of the exercise, something that the Prime Minister refuses to do and

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of course we will insist on regular to Alli regular reporting back

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throughout the process so we can get the views of Parliament. So we can

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ensure we are on the right track and make sure that when we get the

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all-important vote at the end of the exercise Parliament has played its

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role throughout the process. Of course, we need to work with the

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devolved administrations to reflect the specific and particular

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concerns. But, we have to do also be built relations with our EU

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partners, because they have been damaged by the tone and approach

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that has been taken so far. Striking a good deal does rely on having

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alliances across Europe and that is why, as I said at the beginning,

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what we need is that close, collaborative, future relationship

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with the EU. Not members, but partners, continued cooperation in

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all the other fields that matter, technology, science, medicine,

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counterterrorism, climate change, higher education. So, a Labour

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government will seek to remain part of the Rasmus schemes so British

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students have the same cultural and educational opportunities after we

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leave the EU. -- the main part of the Rasmus scheme. We will stay part

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of Horizon 2020 at its successor programmes and welcome research

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staff from the UK, from the EU. We will also seek to maintain

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membership or equivalent relations with European organisations which

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are the benefits to the EU such as, the European medicines agency, your

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poll annually just. The member that part of the Prime Minister's speech

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when she said you wanted out of all parts of the EU, all parts,

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including those agencies. I have worked with Europol and other

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agencies, and I know what they do 20 47 to keep us safe and to simply

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walk away from those agencies on ideological grounds rather than

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starting negotiations saying we want to stay in, we want to find a way is

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fundamentally the wrong approach and we will reverse that. Let me deal

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with EU nationals, because we will also adopt a new approach, here. It

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is shameful that the Prime Minister rejected repeated attempts by Labour

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to resolve this issue before Article 50 was triggered, as a result 3

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million EU nationals have suffered unnecessary uncertainty as well is

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the 1.2 million UK citizens living in the EU. It is often said the EU

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nationals contribute to our society, and so they do, but they are part of

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our society. They are part of our society and they should not be used

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as bargaining chips. So, on day one of a Labour government we will

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immediately guarantee that all EU nationals currently living in the UK

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will see no change in the legal status as a result of Brexit.

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That does not mean, as some people like to portray,

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that we will not fight equally hard for UK citizens in the EU.

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But we can do that, it is in our gift, it is in our

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And I genuinely think it will help the chances

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of a reciprocal arrangement for our citizens across Europe.

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The strong message to me in discussions across Europe

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in the last six months has been that an act such as that would be warmly

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welcomed, and seen as an indication of the sort of relationship

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And it would unblock a blockage which this Prime Minister cannot

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guarantee will be resolved within the two years.

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We will guarantee it, we will do it, and we will do it on day one.

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There could be no clearer signal that the Labour party wants a closer

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clarity of relationship with our EU partners.

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I can assure you that will be in our manifesto.

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And we will also set out further detail how we will reset

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Firstly, we will drop the Tories' Great Repeal Bill.

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The EU has had a huge impact, as all of you know, of securing

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workplace protections and environmental standards,

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That was one the main reasons Labour and trade union movement

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I made that argument up and down the country

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But we all know, because we were there in the campaign,

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that for many Brexiteers in the Tory Party, this was why

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It's why Priti Patel ? now in the Cabinet ? spoke

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during the referendum of wanting to, in her words, 'halve the burdens

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'of EU social and employment legislation.' 'Halve

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Now, let's be honest about the selection,

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Now, let's be honest about this election,

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if a Tory government is returned with a majority they will not be

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able to resist the temptation to water down and remove these vital

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rights when they get the first opportunity to do so.

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We do not consider these rights and protections as 'burdens'

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or accept there should be any weakening of these

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So instead of the Great Repeal Bill we will introduce an EU Rights

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That will make sure that all the rights that we enjoy in this

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country because of our membership of the EU -

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workplace rights, consumer rights and environmental

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are fully protected in our law without qualification,

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without limitations and without sunset clauses.

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A Labour approach to Brexit will ensure there can be no

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rolling back of these key rights and protections.

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And we will go further, because simply protecting the rights

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and protections we have got can never be the height of ambition

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So we will work with EU partners, trade unions and businesses

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to ensure that, outside the EU, the UK does not lag behind

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Europe in these rights and protections as we go forward.

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There can be no space, no gap left for a race to the bottom.

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The unhooking, unhinging and allowing for lower

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standards in this country that there will be across Europe.

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That brings me to another commitment that we will have in our manifesto.

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A presumption that any devolved powers that are transferred back

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from Brussels should go straight to the relevant devolved body.

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There will be no power grab in Whitehall.

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This will apply to regional government across England,

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as well as to the devolved administrations in Scotland,

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This was a proposal included by the Mayor of London

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in his Brexit White Paper and it is one that a Labour

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A Labour approach will be part of a radical extension

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of devolution, and will help bring the country together.

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The Brexit deal, getting the right deal, getting the right arrangements

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for our country internationally is only half of the story.

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We have to understand what lay beneath the vote

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And what and why people were asking us to change, as Jenny said.

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Labour's approach to Brexit will also contribute to how

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we rebuild a fairer, more progressive country.

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The debate over Brexit is not happening in a vacuum.

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It will be shaped by the approach the Government that you elect takes

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to a whole range of wider issues ? security, taxation, public services,

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We need a Labour government that will deliver a real living way,

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We need a Labour government that will deliver a real living wage,

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give a pay rise to 5 million people, will invest in public services,

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and I know, having run a public service for five years,

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how much we need to invest in our public services,

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Invest in the NHS, and invest in our schools, that has to be part

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The right deal and the domestic dealing with the issues that

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are there for us to deal with in this election.

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That is the choice on the ballot paper at this election.

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If Theresa May gets another five years in power she will take it

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as a green light to sideline Parliament, ignore

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opposition and drive through a reckless Tory Brexit.

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She will isolate us from our nearest partners and strike trade deals

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with any country that will talk to us, no matter what

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the consequences for workers right, environmental protections,

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The only way to stop that and to build a fairer Britain

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A Labour government that will reset our approach to Brexit,

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rebuild relations with the EU and make sure that jobs,

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We have just over six weeks to make that case,

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Now we will take some questions and I will do four or five

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from the front three rows which is the press and then open it

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Keir Starmer has a brain the size of China and this is your time

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to pick it so people at the back, get your questions ready.

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BBC News, you have spoken of reformed

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membership of the EU and reformed membership of the customs union,

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does that mean of workers that keeping some form of free movement

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of workers or giving up the right to make trade deals will be a price

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worth paying for what you say would be a good deal?

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Would that, do you think, attract or put off votes for Labour?

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On freedom of movement I have been absolutely clear,

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freedom of movement will have to end as we leave the EU.

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It's an EU rule and law, and it ends as we leave.

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And we negotiate on the understanding that the rules

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That is the basis of the negotiations and that has to be

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the approach to the single market and the customs union.

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That is why I have said what we need to focus on is not the form,

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but the function, what we need to get out of this?

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It will have to involve negotiations on freedom of movement.

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The point I am really trying to make is this,

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what we should do at the outset is make sure we have got

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options on the table, not take options off the table,

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and the customs union is a classic example of this.

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There is anxiety across the manufacturing sector

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about the impact of simply walking away from the customs union.

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It may be in a year or two years that doesn't work,

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but why take options off the table before you have even

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Let me be clear, that does not involve unreformed membership

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of the single market, which carried with it

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the freedom of movement, which we accept, fully accept,

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So it might be worth giving up the right to do free trade deals

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around the world for the sake of a good deal

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We need to leave the option on the table, we need to get

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the right deal with the EU and we need to recognise that 44%

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of our trade is with the EU and that is I am not saying,

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and we are talking about the opening stance, not where we end up,

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but the opening stance, any sensible negotiations start

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by leaving the maximum number of options on the table

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Rigidity and recklessness is the government's approach.

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What we need is smart and flexible, and that has been ruled

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You say you do not want a second referendum but,

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if you do come back from Europe without a deal or if, indeed,

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MPs reject your deal, are there circumstances

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in which you would hold a second referendum?

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A 2-part answer to that. The whole point of ensuring -- Leu Parliament

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in that process is to ensure that Parliament has had its say and can

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influence what is going on and we don't want to be in the position of

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no Deal or Parliament not having confidence in the deal we return,

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and that is really important and that is how the European Parliament

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is approaching this, involving MEPs so there is confidence in the final

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decision. The difficulty with the argument about a second referendum

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is back conceptually it says, compare what we have now with the

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final deal, but on my scenario, the best case for our country is an

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Article 50 deal, transitional arrangements, probably for two or

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three years, and therefore a final deal that is seen and understood in

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probably five or six years' time. At that stage we will have left to the

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EU three or four years earlier and therefore the second referendum

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argument simply doesn't hold water. It is even more fundamental than

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that. As a political party you have to make choices about how you will

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react to something that you didn't want to happen. I didn't want us to

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leave the EU. The Labour Party campaign for us to leave but as

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Jenny said we had a decision and we respect the decision. We have a

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choice, do we look backwards and try to rub out what happened or do we

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stand up and face the challenges ahead? I think we must do the second

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of those and that is what we are doing. You will at a second

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referendum in any circumstance? Victim Care Unit next question, can

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we move on. Sky News. Can you clarify a simple question, are you

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pulling out under a Labour government that Britain can be a

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member of the European Economic Area, and also one of the first

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thing that will happen is that the European Commission within weeks of

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a referendum will come out of a figure for the liabilities of the

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European Union, are you going to just accepted the of ten or 20 or 30

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or 50 billion euros? On membership of the single market I have said

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before and I will say again, as it currently stands the membership of

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the single market is incompatible with our clarity about the fact that

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freedom of movement rules have to change. I would want to have a

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discussion with our partners about what reforms that could be to the

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single market, other ways of working, in other words, what is the

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relationship that we can have with the single market. To leave that as

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a point of discussion. As you will know the EU itself published our

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white paper in the March setting out five possible models for the EU.

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There is a big discussion in Europe about what the models are going

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forward, and I want us to be part of those discussions and not ruled out

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from afar but I don't want any lack of clarity. As it currently stands,

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because we are members of the single market and we are EU countries, then

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that is not an option from the outset. On the money, let me... Of

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course, any incoming Labour government would negotiate the

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liabilities on behalf of our people, on behalf of our country. I think it

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will be the worst of all outcomes if the summer is spent Dahmer sated --

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dominated by big sums of money being batted backwards and forwards. What

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we need to be is grown up and say let's negotiate the principles that

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under pinned the sum, what is the money for an on what basis must it

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be played -- paid? And then we will be clear that we are a country that

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honours are international obligations and that is not just a

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backward looking exercise, it is of former -- forward-looking exercise.

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If we want a really good deal with the EU go forward and we want to

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contemplate free-trade agreements across the world the last thing we

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want to do is to be held up as a country that doesn't comply with its

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international obligations because that will damage our ability to get

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decent deals in the future. But, principles first,

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one of the principles is the liability has to be properly

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worked out according to principles that we negotiate and agree with,

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but also the principle that we will honour

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international obligations. Hi, Steve Hawkes at The Sun,

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can I just ask you to imagine, Jeremy Corbyn wins the election,

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March the 29th 2019, MPs for one reason or another have

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rejected the deal that you have brought back from

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Brussels, what happens? Do we leave an WTO terms or do

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you seek an extinction that keeps First and foremost, I think

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it is really important if there is going to be a vote

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in Parliament, that it is in that it is in the autumn of 2018,

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so it is not at the last minute and gives the opportunity for

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negotiators to go back to the table, and when we are dealing with some

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as important as this country, I think it is important that any

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Prime Minister to say, "One, I want to build

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confidence for what I'm going to put before Parliament

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and if when there is still time to do so, I can go back,

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they will go back, rather than doggedly saying take

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the deal or leave it." Take the deal or leave

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it is a political choice it doesn't have to be that way,

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and so the timing Of course there will be limits

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to how often one can go back, there will have to be an end point,

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if the first vote, in the autumn of 2018 is a rejection vote,

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of course any responsible government would then have to draw up

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contingency and emergency measures to make sure that if there is no

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deal at the end of the exercise, we have provisions in place to deal

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with that, because that'll be Would that be then extending EU

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membership for six months, a year, Ideally we would go

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on to transitional arrangements while we thrash through the rest

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of negotiations, that would be the ideal scenario,

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and that is what going back But, in the event that all of that

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failed we would have to have contingency plans and emergency

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plans here to deal with the cliff edge scenario,

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because that is what businesses want and they are saying it up

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and down the country, contingency measures in those

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circumstances, but we will not arrive at that place,

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because of the way that we will conduct the negotiations

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and what we seek to achieve. Thanks so much, Channel 5 news,

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you say that on day one you would give EU citizens

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here all the rights that they enjoy, but you would then fight

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just as hard or as hard as anyone else to get rights

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were British citizens in the rest of the EU,

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but by definition you have already given up one

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of your strongest cards in that, so you would not be able

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to fight as hard, would you, when you've given up

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to the European Union's side a vital part of the negotiating

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strength your part. The way you have just

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described it is to use people as bargaining chips,

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as a card, we went to the right thing by EU citizens

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here because we want to hold that as a threat to the EU nations,

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and that is to hold a group It is the classic example

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of a bargaining chip. The government says it is not

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interesting in bargaining chips, but if that is the approach that is a

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bargaining approach and we would not do that, we would unilaterally

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guaranteed those rights. APPLAUSE

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I am convinced, absolutely convinced that that gesture would unlock this

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impasse and guarantee the citizens, across the EU, exactly the same

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rights. I'm convinced it would unlock the impasse. It would not be

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seen as a sign of weakness? If we don't do it, the Prime Minister says

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it will be a priority incidents David Davis and I do not doubt that.

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But, they cannot guarantee that. There is a saying in Europe but

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nothing is agreed to everything is agreed could face the prospect, if

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we do not take unilateral action of EU citizens not truly knowing the

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position for another two years. That is not the right thing to do. OK we

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have another ten minutes so we will open up, yes gentlemen with his hand

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raised. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation, I think we welcome it

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very much indeed. The Conservatives do not have any role model of a hard

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Brexit agreement 2.2, we do have a country within Europe that does have

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most of the advantages of the EU with out being a member, Norway.

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From my experience they have had a good constructive relationship and I

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hope this will be taken into account in our examination in our plans.

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There is a lot said about the Norway model, the longer the shorter bit is

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that Norway negotiated a model that for them. I do not think it works in

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any country to seek the go shoot a model based on what worked for

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another country. We have to negotiate on what works for the UK

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and to ensure that the final UK, EU arrangement, is one that works for

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us and safeguards the interests and protects the interests that I have

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outlined. Yes. Thank you. Chair of Labour business, the party's

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affiliated business group. I think our members will welcome your

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emphasis on jobs, the economy, and shared prosperity of the touchstone

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of these negotiations, they will welcome that. Thank you for making

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it so clear. Our members would also want to ask, and perhaps give you

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the opportunity to say how you would address the concern about managed

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migration, because as you know many businesses in the UK do not depend

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on EU migration to fulfil jobs that are not filled locally. We might

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want them to be filled locally, but they are not currently filled, so

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could you take this opportunity to tell us how you would see managed

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migration going forward from the EU and non-EU countries? Thank you. I

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repeat, again, the immigration rules will have to change when we leave

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the EU and freedom of movement will not be a will that is operated any

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longer. Which opens up the question of what will go in its place. In

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answering that question is very important to strip away different

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forms of immigration is, so refugees are owed international education is

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by our company and every other country that signed the relevant

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provisions and we have to deal with them in accordance to those

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international obligations. I do not think international student should

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be in numbers of immigrants, I think we should welcome them to the

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country to come and study here and be part of the country and to take

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the education back to the country of origin and hopefully work with

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others in the future. So, I would separate those out that leaves

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family immigration where we have those banana EU nationals and of

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course work. So far as work is concerned I think we have do say

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managed migration system that is premised on what works for the

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economy and works for our communities. I think we have to be

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honest enough to except that the referendum result was largely a

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result of concerns about freedom of movement and we have to listen to

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that, so it has to work for the economy and communities and that

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means we have to have a discussion with businesses about what their

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needs are and how they are to be managed. The last thing we want is

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for businesses to not be able to conduct their businesses

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successfully in the future but we also have to listen to what people

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are telling is about immigration and getting that part right is essential

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as we go forward. Because the microphone is here, the gentleman

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behind you and I'll come over here. Brett of builders merchants

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Federation, you have talked about free trade and customs arrangement

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which I thank you but my question relates to non-power the barriers,

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the question is if the HMRC got a big enough computer to deal with

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thousands and millions more customs declarations, leaving the EU means

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no VAT but paying VAT on imports so my question is as someone, you won a

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public service, what will a Labour government do to help businesses,

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HMRC and critically Port authorities, so we do not see

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operation Stack in Dover, lorries parking on Kentish roads replicated

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in other towns in Kent. First of all we will negotiate said that there

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are no new custom buttons. That is important. Second, make it clear

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that no deal is not a viable option, because no deal means no

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arrangements in place in March 2019 to deal with these changes, anyone

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who knows anything about customs knows it will be impossible to put

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in place the necessary arrangements within a two-year period, so,

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leaving with no deal is not a your trading issue it is a practical

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customs issue and that is why committing to no deal and not doing

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as Boris Johnson and others do is to say it is a relaxed situation to

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find ourselves in and being clear that we need transitional measures.

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It is not just customs, in my wealth of criminal justice the idea of

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leaving without an agreement that allows others to continue to use and

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access the criminal justice tools that we have got is something that

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anyone involved in the field is an thinkable. We have to be clear about

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that and we have to have a discussion with business about how

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we make this work for you in a way that reduces the burden on you. And

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we have to involve businesses from the start. Most businesses are

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saying to me that it is the uncertainty that is causing them the

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greatest anxiety. But if they knew there was a genuine commitment to

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transitional measures it would help them great deal in future planning

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because they have to decide whether they will put in place customs

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arrangements in two years or five years. They to answering your

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question. Yes, this gentleman here. I think this question leads on from

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what you have just been saying and puts it in a wider context. I'm

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Stephen Hopman, as you know. One of the effects of leaving the EU is

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clearly going to beat the all the obligations which the EU, its member

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states and its citizens over to us are going to come to an end at least

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the formal, legal obligations, would you agree that the collaborative

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approach which is the key element in your presentation is going to be

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absolutely necessary, it is a precondition of enabling those

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obligations to survive in some form for the benefit of the people of

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this country, otherwise we will simply be adrift? Weight I could not

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agree more which is why no deal, severing all relations and leaving

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those rights and obligations hounding is a very, very bad case

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scenario. -- and leaving those obligations hanging. That is why a

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Labour government will save the outset that it is not a viable

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option, we need have a meaningful and collaborative relationship in

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which rights and obligations are understood and respected as we go

:42:30.:42:33.

forward because your web is our main trading partner and of course the EU

:42:34.:42:38.

countries other countries that we do the most collaboration and

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co-operative work with and we need to have the framework within which

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that all pics place. That is not to say that we do not leave as members

:42:46.:42:51.

of the EU, it is to say that we draw up a partnership which is not

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membership, which allows those arrangements to continue in place.

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We will have two more questions starting with the ladies in the very

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eye-catching dress of the fund, here. -- with the very eye-catching

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dress at the front. I am concerned with the environmental impact, there

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is negotiations and discussions about the pollution. I wonder what

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you are thinking about after we left how we will negotiate those,

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especially the own renewable energy markets, it is our biggest income

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and it is dropped over 30,000 jobs, this might lead more job cuts in the

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UK. I want to know how we can look at that. Briefly, the Mariah Mint is

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one of the areas where a lot of the standards that we apply with.

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# Briefly, In my constituency we have a

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pollution issues, as we do across other parts of London and UK. The

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standards we apply compound the EU and as we on Hitch bombing it is

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really important we not lose the standards -- as we on Hitch from it.

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The second is, the elemental protections have to be carried

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through to our EU rights and protections built, but not just the

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protection is a means of enforcement because in relation to environmental

:44:30.:44:32.

rights many are enforced to EU mechanisms. There is no used

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transposing the rights across if you do not transpose the means of

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enforcement, but more than that a Labour government want to go further

:44:42.:44:45.

on environmental protection because it is a huge issue of our time on

:44:46.:44:50.

which more action is going to be needed. All of those commitments are

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commitments from an incoming Labour government. Last question, gentleman

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there, slightly taller than the people you're sitting by. Oh, the

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microphone. I am a member of this institution so welcome. Thank you,

:45:08.:45:12.

very much. You are a lawyer so advise, please. The best deal is to

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remain, self evidently, everything you said was about remaining, so,

:45:18.:45:24.

lawyer what is wrong with doing at de facto modified the main? -- that

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de facto modified Remain. APPLAUSE

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It is important that we are clear on this, I campaign to stay in the EU,

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I have worked with EU institutions over the years, first as a lawyer

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and then when I was Director of Public Prosecutions, I had staff in

:45:49.:45:51.

some of the EU agencies, I wanted was to remain. But I accept the

:45:52.:45:58.

referendum was a referendum that was for real. I would have expected, had

:45:59.:46:04.

we won the referendum that the result would have been honoured, and

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it cuts both ways. I am not prepared, now, for the Labour Party

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not to do except the result and genuinely accept the result. We

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asked for a decision, we got a decision it was close and that must

:46:20.:46:24.

be reflected in the negotiations and the way we reveal our country. The

:46:25.:46:30.

values I believe in have to be the values that underpin any future

:46:31.:46:34.

agreement. The Labour Party cannot spend all of its time trying to

:46:35.:46:39.

board out yesterday and not accept a result which it is honour bound to

:46:40.:46:43.

accept. We accept that we respected and we face the challenge ahead.

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That is why I have set out our objectives in the way we have set

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out. This the future, not the past, have the confidence about a future

:46:55.:46:57.

relationship, but genuinely accept the outcome of the referendum. Thank

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you. APPLAUSE

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Thank you. APPLAUSE

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Thank you, Jonathan, for that over-flattering introduction.

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The sort that my father would have enjoyed and my mother

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Now, it's fair to say that when I accepted the invitation some

:47:31.:47:43.

months ago to speak today I sort of rather expected that

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the conference would fall in a nice, quiet period, just before

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the council decided its negotiating guidelines, so so much

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I certainly hadn't anticipated that we would be in the middle

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of a general election campaign so for all the arguments that there

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will be over the next six weeks, I know that here there are people

:48:04.:48:06.

from both sides of the debate, from all parties and none,

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