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Thanks very much I'll try and live up to that billing, now, | :00:13. | :00:20. | |
and thank you all for coming this morning and being with | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
As Jenny has said, at this election there will be a clear choice | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
on the ballot paper, two visions of Brexit. | :00:29. | :00:36. | |
Labour's approach, which is going to be based on our values, | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
Because, they are values of internationalism, | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
of being outward looking, of a belief that we achieve more | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
A fundamental belief that internationally we should face | :00:49. | :00:59. | |
challenges together with other countries and take advantages and | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
Now, as Jenny said, we accept that things will have to change, | :01:05. | :01:12. | |
our relationship with the EU is going to change, but we do not | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
accept, we do not accept, that Brexit has to mean what ever | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
We do not accept that there has to be a reckless Tory Brexit. | :01:23. | :01:32. | |
And that is a fundamental issue in this election, | :01:33. | :01:46. | |
it is a fundamental issue for everyone who will be voting. | :01:47. | :01:48. | |
We do not believe that if you are a citizen of the world, | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
Of course we recognise and accept that immigration rules | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
are going to have to change when we leave the EU, | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
let me say that again, we accept that immigration rules | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
are going to have to change when we leave the EU. | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
But, we don't accept that immigration should be the only | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
overarching priority, the only red line. | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
Nor do we believe that leaving the EU means that we have to sever | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
That Brexit means weakening workers' rights, environmental protections, | :02:17. | :02:31. | |
or that it must entail slashing corporate taxes. | :02:32. | :02:33. | |
We have a very different vision, a vision about how Brexit can work | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
And at its heart is a belief that we need to build a close, | :02:37. | :02:45. | |
collaborative future relationship with the EU, | :02:46. | :02:54. | |
a changed relationship, but a relationship. | :02:55. | :02:55. | |
And collaborative future relationship. | :02:56. | :02:56. | |
Not members, of course, but genuine going forward. | :02:57. | :03:05. | |
Where jobs, the economy and retaining the benefits | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
of the Single Market and the Customs Union | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
Where hard-fought workplace rights and the environment | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
Where we are truly an open, outward looking country. | :03:16. | :03:25. | |
Where EU nationals living here are guaranteed their rights | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
and can live in certainty that Brexit will not affect them. | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
A Brexit that brings the country together, | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
radically devolves power and supports all regions | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
That's the approach to Brexit I will set out today. | :03:43. | :03:51. | |
But let me deal with this head-on, and summarise the key differences. | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
The Prime Minister has adopted an ideologically approached view of | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
It has led her down a slippery slope, | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
nothing to do with the single market, nothing to do with the | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
customs union, nothing to do with the European Court or any court. | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
Nothing to do with the very many agencies that do such fantastic | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
collaborative work that is so important to all of us. | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
Out of all of those an approach that has led to | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
collaborative work that is so important to all of us. | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
It means taken option at that option off the table at the beginning of | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
Talking up no deal as if that is acceptable, some | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
people say, that is a clear approach, it is a rigid approach, it | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
is removing options before we have started and It's | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
What Labour will do is to scrap the Brexit white paper. | :04:52. | :05:01. | |
And draw up new negotiating objectives. | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
We will on day one unilaterally guarantee the | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
rights of EU citizens in this country. | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
And of course fight for the right of UK citizens across | :05:15. | :05:22. | |
We will scrap the Great Repeal Bill and replace it with what | :05:23. | :05:37. | |
it should be, an EU rights and protections Bill. | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
We will give a proper role to Parliament in the | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
process, not sideline it and treat all challenge | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
We will, of course, rebuild Britain by investing in people in a future | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
So, let me deal first with the white paper, the | :05:51. | :06:01. | |
Labour s White Paper will have a strong emphasis | :06:02. | :06:09. | |
on retaining the benefits of the single market | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
and the customs union as we know that is vital to protecting jobs | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
Our White Paper will make clear that jobs and the economy are Labour s | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
That means we will seek, continued tariff-free trade | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
between the UK and the EU, no new non-tariff burdens | :06:27. | :06:43. | |
we will ensure regulatory alignment and continued competitiveness | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
Retaining the all important threshold of | :06:47. | :07:01. | |
workplace rights so there is no race to the bottom, as we go forward. | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
I have been all over the country talking to businesses large and | :07:06. | :07:13. | |
small, communities large and small, trade unionists and all of them sing | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
with one voice on the need for these benefits to be the central part of | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
Whether this is best achieved through reformed membership | :07:20. | :07:26. | |
of the single market and the customs union | :07:27. | :07:28. | |
or via a bespoke trading arrangement is secondary to the outcome. | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
What matters for jobs, the economy and living standards | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
is that we retain the benefits that really matter. | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
And let me tell you this, what cannot be negotiated, | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
because these negotiations are not going to be easy, what cannot be | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
negotiated, we will replicate back here in the UK. | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
Let me give you an example, regulartory and | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
alignment, we will fight hard fight hard | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
and the people who work in those businesses | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
the future the way they have succeeded in the past. | :07:57. | :08:06. | |
And if we cannot get the repertory alignment may need through | :08:07. | :08:15. | |
negotiations in Brussels, we will achieve it at home through primary | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
legislation. If there is any issue an workplace right we will achieve | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
it back home through primary legislation. What matters is when | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
the end package is met, we have met the commitment of the same benefits | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
of the single market and the customs union. They are so important. That | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
means we need to focus, not on hypothetical trade deals with other | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
countries, but Armstrong trading arrangements with the U. After all, | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
the you account for 44% of our exports. | :08:52. | :08:59. | |
It is by far and away our most important trading partner. | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
It is extraordinary that we have a Prime Minister who has given up | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
on the Single Market and the Customs Union even before | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
negotiations have begun, but is so willing to talk up | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
the chance of there being no deal reached. | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
And it was received very badly by our EU neighbours. She has spoken | :09:12. | :09:23. | |
up, talk. , the chances of no deal being reached. She said repeatedly | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
that no deal is better than a bad deal. No deal is better than a bad | :09:27. | :09:34. | |
deal? Labour are very clear that no deal is the worst possible deal. It | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
would cause huge damage to our businesses and to our trade. The | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
examples just make that absolutely clear, parrots, of 30 to 40% on | :09:45. | :09:53. | |
dairy, and meat products. -- parrots of 30 to 40%. 10% on cards and loss | :09:54. | :10:01. | |
of transporting right. When I was with Vauxhall yesterday the anxiety | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
about that outcome is etched on the face of everyone who works the and | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
in so many of our other businesses across the country. No wonder the | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
CBI are calling it a recipe for chaos. A labour approach would end | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
this reckless approach. We will be clear, we need to negotiate strong | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
transitional arrangements as we leave the EU and ensure that there | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
is no cliff edge for our, me. Reject no deal as a viable option and | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
introduce and fight for transitional arrangements from the start. We will | :10:39. | :10:47. | |
also approach the task differently. Theresa May wants to close down | :10:48. | :10:55. | |
scrutiny and to challenge, in truth that lies partly behind her decision | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
to call an election. The idea that she should be challenged or question | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
in Parliament in a meaningful way is something she will not have. She | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
wants to knock that out of the way. Everyone knows that strong leaders | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
and strong decisions welcome scrutiny and accountability, welcome | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
challenge. That is how we arrive at the right decisions. These decisions | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
are so important we cannot duck this issue. So, Labour will take a | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
different approach working with Parliament not against Parliament, | :11:35. | :11:44. | |
we will legislate to ensure that there is a meaningful vote at the | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
end of the exercise, something that the Prime Minister refuses to do and | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
of course we will insist on regular to Alli regular reporting back | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
throughout the process so we can get the views of Parliament. So we can | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
ensure we are on the right track and make sure that when we get the | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
all-important vote at the end of the exercise Parliament has played its | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
role throughout the process. Of course, we need to work with the | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
devolved administrations to reflect the specific and particular | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
concerns. But, we have to do also be built relations with our EU | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
partners, because they have been damaged by the tone and approach | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
that has been taken so far. Striking a good deal does rely on having | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
alliances across Europe and that is why, as I said at the beginning, | :12:32. | :12:38. | |
what we need is that close, collaborative, future relationship | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
with the EU. Not members, but partners, continued cooperation in | :12:46. | :12:52. | |
all the other fields that matter, technology, science, medicine, | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
counterterrorism, climate change, higher education. So, a Labour | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
government will seek to remain part of the Rasmus schemes so British | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
students have the same cultural and educational opportunities after we | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
leave the EU. -- the main part of the Rasmus scheme. We will stay part | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
of Horizon 2020 at its successor programmes and welcome research | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
staff from the UK, from the EU. We will also seek to maintain | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
membership or equivalent relations with European organisations which | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
are the benefits to the EU such as, the European medicines agency, your | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
poll annually just. The member that part of the Prime Minister's speech | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
when she said you wanted out of all parts of the EU, all parts, | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
including those agencies. I have worked with Europol and other | :13:47. | :13:57. | |
agencies, and I know what they do 20 47 to keep us safe and to simply | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
walk away from those agencies on ideological grounds rather than | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
starting negotiations saying we want to stay in, we want to find a way is | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
fundamentally the wrong approach and we will reverse that. Let me deal | :14:11. | :14:19. | |
with EU nationals, because we will also adopt a new approach, here. It | :14:20. | :14:28. | |
is shameful that the Prime Minister rejected repeated attempts by Labour | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
to resolve this issue before Article 50 was triggered, as a result 3 | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
million EU nationals have suffered unnecessary uncertainty as well is | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
the 1.2 million UK citizens living in the EU. It is often said the EU | :14:43. | :14:50. | |
nationals contribute to our society, and so they do, but they are part of | :14:51. | :15:00. | |
our society. They are part of our society and they should not be used | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
as bargaining chips. So, on day one of a Labour government we will | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
immediately guarantee that all EU nationals currently living in the UK | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
will see no change in the legal status as a result of Brexit. | :15:16. | :15:22. | |
That does not mean, as some people like to portray, | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
that we will not fight equally hard for UK citizens in the EU. | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
But we can do that, it is in our gift, it is in our | :15:31. | :15:47. | |
And I genuinely think it will help the chances | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
of a reciprocal arrangement for our citizens across Europe. | :15:54. | :15:55. | |
The strong message to me in discussions across Europe | :15:56. | :15:57. | |
in the last six months has been that an act such as that would be warmly | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
welcomed, and seen as an indication of the sort of relationship | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
And it would unblock a blockage which this Prime Minister cannot | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
guarantee will be resolved within the two years. | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
We will guarantee it, we will do it, and we will do it on day one. | :16:14. | :16:28. | |
There could be no clearer signal that the Labour party wants a closer | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
clarity of relationship with our EU partners. | :16:32. | :16:32. | |
I can assure you that will be in our manifesto. | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
And we will also set out further detail how we will reset | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
Firstly, we will drop the Tories' Great Repeal Bill. | :16:39. | :16:49. | |
The EU has had a huge impact, as all of you know, of securing | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
workplace protections and environmental standards, | :16:53. | :16:53. | |
That was one the main reasons Labour and trade union movement | :16:54. | :17:03. | |
I made that argument up and down the country | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
But we all know, because we were there in the campaign, | :17:08. | :17:18. | |
that for many Brexiteers in the Tory Party, this was why | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
It's why Priti Patel ? now in the Cabinet ? spoke | :17:22. | :17:32. | |
during the referendum of wanting to, in her words, 'halve the burdens | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
'of EU social and employment legislation.' 'Halve | :17:37. | :17:37. | |
Now, let's be honest about the selection, | :17:38. | :17:49. | |
Now, let's be honest about this election, | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
if a Tory government is returned with a majority they will not be | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
able to resist the temptation to water down and remove these vital | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
rights when they get the first opportunity to do so. | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
We do not consider these rights and protections as 'burdens' | :18:02. | :18:08. | |
or accept there should be any weakening of these | :18:09. | :18:10. | |
So instead of the Great Repeal Bill we will introduce an EU Rights | :18:11. | :18:19. | |
That will make sure that all the rights that we enjoy in this | :18:20. | :18:33. | |
country because of our membership of the EU - | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
workplace rights, consumer rights and environmental | :18:37. | :18:37. | |
are fully protected in our law without qualification, | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
without limitations and without sunset clauses. | :18:43. | :18:51. | |
A Labour approach to Brexit will ensure there can be no | :18:52. | :18:53. | |
rolling back of these key rights and protections. | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
And we will go further, because simply protecting the rights | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
and protections we have got can never be the height of ambition | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
So we will work with EU partners, trade unions and businesses | :19:03. | :19:10. | |
to ensure that, outside the EU, the UK does not lag behind | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
Europe in these rights and protections as we go forward. | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
There can be no space, no gap left for a race to the bottom. | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
The unhooking, unhinging and allowing for lower | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
standards in this country that there will be across Europe. | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
That brings me to another commitment that we will have in our manifesto. | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
A presumption that any devolved powers that are transferred back | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
from Brussels should go straight to the relevant devolved body. | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
There will be no power grab in Whitehall. | :19:50. | :19:58. | |
This will apply to regional government across England, | :19:59. | :20:00. | |
as well as to the devolved administrations in Scotland, | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
This was a proposal included by the Mayor of London | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
in his Brexit White Paper and it is one that a Labour | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
A Labour approach will be part of a radical extension | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
of devolution, and will help bring the country together. | :20:14. | :20:20. | |
The Brexit deal, getting the right deal, getting the right arrangements | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
for our country internationally is only half of the story. | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
We have to understand what lay beneath the vote | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
And what and why people were asking us to change, as Jenny said. | :20:35. | :20:44. | |
Labour's approach to Brexit will also contribute to how | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
we rebuild a fairer, more progressive country. | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
The debate over Brexit is not happening in a vacuum. | :20:52. | :20:57. | |
It will be shaped by the approach the Government that you elect takes | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
to a whole range of wider issues ? security, taxation, public services, | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
We need a Labour government that will deliver a real living way, | :21:06. | :21:14. | |
We need a Labour government that will deliver a real living wage, | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
give a pay rise to 5 million people, will invest in public services, | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
and I know, having run a public service for five years, | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
how much we need to invest in our public services, | :21:24. | :21:25. | |
Invest in the NHS, and invest in our schools, that has to be part | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
The right deal and the domestic dealing with the issues that | :21:32. | :21:39. | |
are there for us to deal with in this election. | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
That is the choice on the ballot paper at this election. | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
If Theresa May gets another five years in power she will take it | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
as a green light to sideline Parliament, ignore | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
opposition and drive through a reckless Tory Brexit. | :21:56. | :21:58. | |
She will isolate us from our nearest partners and strike trade deals | :21:59. | :22:10. | |
with any country that will talk to us, no matter what | :22:11. | :22:12. | |
the consequences for workers right, environmental protections, | :22:13. | :22:14. | |
The only way to stop that and to build a fairer Britain | :22:15. | :22:22. | |
A Labour government that will reset our approach to Brexit, | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
rebuild relations with the EU and make sure that jobs, | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
We have just over six weeks to make that case, | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
Now we will take some questions and I will do four or five | :22:35. | :23:05. | |
from the front three rows which is the press and then open it | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
Keir Starmer has a brain the size of China and this is your time | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
to pick it so people at the back, get your questions ready. | :23:15. | :23:17. | |
BBC News, you have spoken of reformed | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
membership of the EU and reformed membership of the customs union, | :23:22. | :23:28. | |
does that mean of workers that keeping some form of free movement | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
of workers or giving up the right to make trade deals will be a price | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
worth paying for what you say would be a good deal? | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
Would that, do you think, attract or put off votes for Labour? | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
On freedom of movement I have been absolutely clear, | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
freedom of movement will have to end as we leave the EU. | :23:50. | :23:51. | |
It's an EU rule and law, and it ends as we leave. | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
And we negotiate on the understanding that the rules | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
That is the basis of the negotiations and that has to be | :23:59. | :24:06. | |
the approach to the single market and the customs union. | :24:07. | :24:14. | |
That is why I have said what we need to focus on is not the form, | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
but the function, what we need to get out of this? | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
It will have to involve negotiations on freedom of movement. | :24:22. | :24:23. | |
The point I am really trying to make is this, | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
what we should do at the outset is make sure we have got | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
options on the table, not take options off the table, | :24:30. | :24:31. | |
and the customs union is a classic example of this. | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
There is anxiety across the manufacturing sector | :24:35. | :24:36. | |
about the impact of simply walking away from the customs union. | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
It may be in a year or two years that doesn't work, | :24:41. | :24:49. | |
but why take options off the table before you have even | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
Let me be clear, that does not involve unreformed membership | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
of the single market, which carried with it | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
the freedom of movement, which we accept, fully accept, | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
So it might be worth giving up the right to do free trade deals | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
around the world for the sake of a good deal | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
We need to leave the option on the table, we need to get | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
the right deal with the EU and we need to recognise that 44% | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
of our trade is with the EU and that is I am not saying, | :25:22. | :25:28. | |
and we are talking about the opening stance, not where we end up, | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
but the opening stance, any sensible negotiations start | :25:32. | :25:33. | |
by leaving the maximum number of options on the table | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
Rigidity and recklessness is the government's approach. | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
What we need is smart and flexible, and that has been ruled | :25:41. | :25:43. | |
You say you do not want a second referendum but, | :25:44. | :25:55. | |
if you do come back from Europe without a deal or if, indeed, | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
MPs reject your deal, are there circumstances | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
in which you would hold a second referendum? | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
A 2-part answer to that. The whole point of ensuring -- Leu Parliament | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
in that process is to ensure that Parliament has had its say and can | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
influence what is going on and we don't want to be in the position of | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
no Deal or Parliament not having confidence in the deal we return, | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
and that is really important and that is how the European Parliament | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
is approaching this, involving MEPs so there is confidence in the final | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
decision. The difficulty with the argument about a second referendum | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
is back conceptually it says, compare what we have now with the | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
final deal, but on my scenario, the best case for our country is an | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
Article 50 deal, transitional arrangements, probably for two or | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
three years, and therefore a final deal that is seen and understood in | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
probably five or six years' time. At that stage we will have left to the | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
EU three or four years earlier and therefore the second referendum | :27:08. | :27:10. | |
argument simply doesn't hold water. It is even more fundamental than | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
that. As a political party you have to make choices about how you will | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
react to something that you didn't want to happen. I didn't want us to | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
leave the EU. The Labour Party campaign for us to leave but as | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
Jenny said we had a decision and we respect the decision. We have a | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
choice, do we look backwards and try to rub out what happened or do we | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
stand up and face the challenges ahead? I think we must do the second | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
of those and that is what we are doing. You will at a second | :27:39. | :27:45. | |
referendum in any circumstance? Victim Care Unit next question, can | :27:46. | :27:53. | |
we move on. Sky News. Can you clarify a simple question, are you | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
pulling out under a Labour government that Britain can be a | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
member of the European Economic Area, and also one of the first | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
thing that will happen is that the European Commission within weeks of | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
a referendum will come out of a figure for the liabilities of the | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
European Union, are you going to just accepted the of ten or 20 or 30 | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
or 50 billion euros? On membership of the single market I have said | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
before and I will say again, as it currently stands the membership of | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
the single market is incompatible with our clarity about the fact that | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
freedom of movement rules have to change. I would want to have a | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
discussion with our partners about what reforms that could be to the | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
single market, other ways of working, in other words, what is the | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
relationship that we can have with the single market. To leave that as | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
a point of discussion. As you will know the EU itself published our | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
white paper in the March setting out five possible models for the EU. | :28:55. | :29:03. | |
There is a big discussion in Europe about what the models are going | :29:04. | :29:06. | |
forward, and I want us to be part of those discussions and not ruled out | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
from afar but I don't want any lack of clarity. As it currently stands, | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
because we are members of the single market and we are EU countries, then | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
that is not an option from the outset. On the money, let me... Of | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
course, any incoming Labour government would negotiate the | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
liabilities on behalf of our people, on behalf of our country. I think it | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
will be the worst of all outcomes if the summer is spent Dahmer sated -- | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
dominated by big sums of money being batted backwards and forwards. What | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
we need to be is grown up and say let's negotiate the principles that | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
under pinned the sum, what is the money for an on what basis must it | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
be played -- paid? And then we will be clear that we are a country that | :29:54. | :29:56. | |
honours are international obligations and that is not just a | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
backward looking exercise, it is of former -- forward-looking exercise. | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
If we want a really good deal with the EU go forward and we want to | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
contemplate free-trade agreements across the world the last thing we | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
want to do is to be held up as a country that doesn't comply with its | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
international obligations because that will damage our ability to get | :30:15. | :30:16. | |
decent deals in the future. But, principles first, | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
one of the principles is the liability has to be properly | :30:21. | :30:21. | |
worked out according to principles that we negotiate and agree with, | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
but also the principle that we will honour | :30:25. | :30:26. | |
international obligations. Hi, Steve Hawkes at The Sun, | :30:27. | :30:28. | |
can I just ask you to imagine, Jeremy Corbyn wins the election, | :30:29. | :30:40. | |
March the 29th 2019, MPs for one reason or another have | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
rejected the deal that you have brought back from | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
Brussels, what happens? Do we leave an WTO terms or do | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
you seek an extinction that keeps First and foremost, I think | :30:52. | :30:54. | |
it is really important if there is going to be a vote | :30:55. | :31:01. | |
in Parliament, that it is in that it is in the autumn of 2018, | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
so it is not at the last minute and gives the opportunity for | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
negotiators to go back to the table, and when we are dealing with some | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
as important as this country, I think it is important that any | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
Prime Minister to say, "One, I want to build | :31:18. | :31:24. | |
confidence for what I'm going to put before Parliament | :31:25. | :31:26. | |
and if when there is still time to do so, I can go back, | :31:27. | :31:29. | |
they will go back, rather than doggedly saying take | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
the deal or leave it." Take the deal or leave | :31:33. | :31:34. | |
it is a political choice it doesn't have to be that way, | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
and so the timing Of course there will be limits | :31:38. | :31:39. | |
to how often one can go back, there will have to be an end point, | :31:40. | :31:46. | |
if the first vote, in the autumn of 2018 is a rejection vote, | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
of course any responsible government would then have to draw up | :31:51. | :31:52. | |
contingency and emergency measures to make sure that if there is no | :31:53. | :31:55. | |
deal at the end of the exercise, we have provisions in place to deal | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
with that, because that'll be Would that be then extending EU | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
membership for six months, a year, Ideally we would go | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
on to transitional arrangements while we thrash through the rest | :32:08. | :32:14. | |
of negotiations, that would be the ideal scenario, | :32:15. | :32:16. | |
and that is what going back But, in the event that all of that | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
failed we would have to have contingency plans and emergency | :32:20. | :32:29. | |
plans here to deal with the cliff edge scenario, | :32:30. | :32:31. | |
because that is what businesses want and they are saying it up | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
and down the country, contingency measures in those | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
circumstances, but we will not arrive at that place, | :32:38. | :32:39. | |
because of the way that we will conduct the negotiations | :32:40. | :32:41. | |
and what we seek to achieve. Thanks so much, Channel 5 news, | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
you say that on day one you would give EU citizens | :32:48. | :32:57. | |
here all the rights that they enjoy, but you would then fight | :32:58. | :33:09. | |
just as hard or as hard as anyone else to get rights | :33:10. | :33:12. | |
were British citizens in the rest of the EU, | :33:13. | :33:14. | |
but by definition you have already given up one | :33:15. | :33:17. | |
of your strongest cards in that, so you would not be able | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
to fight as hard, would you, when you've given up | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
to the European Union's side a vital part of the negotiating | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
strength your part. The way you have just | :33:26. | :33:26. | |
described it is to use people as bargaining chips, | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
as a card, we went to the right thing by EU citizens | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
here because we want to hold that as a threat to the EU nations, | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
and that is to hold a group It is the classic example | :33:37. | :33:42. | |
of a bargaining chip. The government says it is not | :33:43. | :33:52. | |
interesting in bargaining chips, but if that is the approach that is a | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
bargaining approach and we would not do that, we would unilaterally | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
guaranteed those rights. APPLAUSE | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
I am convinced, absolutely convinced that that gesture would unlock this | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
impasse and guarantee the citizens, across the EU, exactly the same | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
rights. I'm convinced it would unlock the impasse. It would not be | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
seen as a sign of weakness? If we don't do it, the Prime Minister says | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
it will be a priority incidents David Davis and I do not doubt that. | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
But, they cannot guarantee that. There is a saying in Europe but | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
nothing is agreed to everything is agreed could face the prospect, if | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
we do not take unilateral action of EU citizens not truly knowing the | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
position for another two years. That is not the right thing to do. OK we | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
have another ten minutes so we will open up, yes gentlemen with his hand | :34:46. | :34:56. | |
raised. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation, I think we welcome it | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
very much indeed. The Conservatives do not have any role model of a hard | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
Brexit agreement 2.2, we do have a country within Europe that does have | :35:08. | :35:16. | |
most of the advantages of the EU with out being a member, Norway. | :35:17. | :35:22. | |
From my experience they have had a good constructive relationship and I | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
hope this will be taken into account in our examination in our plans. | :35:27. | :35:34. | |
There is a lot said about the Norway model, the longer the shorter bit is | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
that Norway negotiated a model that for them. I do not think it works in | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
any country to seek the go shoot a model based on what worked for | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
another country. We have to negotiate on what works for the UK | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
and to ensure that the final UK, EU arrangement, is one that works for | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
us and safeguards the interests and protects the interests that I have | :35:59. | :36:12. | |
outlined. Yes. Thank you. Chair of Labour business, the party's | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
affiliated business group. I think our members will welcome your | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
emphasis on jobs, the economy, and shared prosperity of the touchstone | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
of these negotiations, they will welcome that. Thank you for making | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
it so clear. Our members would also want to ask, and perhaps give you | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
the opportunity to say how you would address the concern about managed | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
migration, because as you know many businesses in the UK do not depend | :36:42. | :36:48. | |
on EU migration to fulfil jobs that are not filled locally. We might | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
want them to be filled locally, but they are not currently filled, so | :36:53. | :36:55. | |
could you take this opportunity to tell us how you would see managed | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
migration going forward from the EU and non-EU countries? Thank you. I | :37:00. | :37:06. | |
repeat, again, the immigration rules will have to change when we leave | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
the EU and freedom of movement will not be a will that is operated any | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
longer. Which opens up the question of what will go in its place. In | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
answering that question is very important to strip away different | :37:21. | :37:28. | |
forms of immigration is, so refugees are owed international education is | :37:29. | :37:30. | |
by our company and every other country that signed the relevant | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
provisions and we have to deal with them in accordance to those | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
international obligations. I do not think international student should | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
be in numbers of immigrants, I think we should welcome them to the | :37:43. | :37:45. | |
country to come and study here and be part of the country and to take | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
the education back to the country of origin and hopefully work with | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
others in the future. So, I would separate those out that leaves | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
family immigration where we have those banana EU nationals and of | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
course work. So far as work is concerned I think we have do say | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
managed migration system that is premised on what works for the | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
economy and works for our communities. I think we have to be | :38:12. | :38:14. | |
honest enough to except that the referendum result was largely a | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
result of concerns about freedom of movement and we have to listen to | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
that, so it has to work for the economy and communities and that | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
means we have to have a discussion with businesses about what their | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
needs are and how they are to be managed. The last thing we want is | :38:32. | :38:34. | |
for businesses to not be able to conduct their businesses | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
successfully in the future but we also have to listen to what people | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
are telling is about immigration and getting that part right is essential | :38:41. | :38:49. | |
as we go forward. Because the microphone is here, the gentleman | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
behind you and I'll come over here. Brett of builders merchants | :38:55. | :38:57. | |
Federation, you have talked about free trade and customs arrangement | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
which I thank you but my question relates to non-power the barriers, | :39:02. | :39:08. | |
the question is if the HMRC got a big enough computer to deal with | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
thousands and millions more customs declarations, leaving the EU means | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
no VAT but paying VAT on imports so my question is as someone, you won a | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
public service, what will a Labour government do to help businesses, | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
HMRC and critically Port authorities, so we do not see | :39:28. | :39:35. | |
operation Stack in Dover, lorries parking on Kentish roads replicated | :39:36. | :39:41. | |
in other towns in Kent. First of all we will negotiate said that there | :39:42. | :39:49. | |
are no new custom buttons. That is important. Second, make it clear | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
that no deal is not a viable option, because no deal means no | :39:55. | :39:57. | |
arrangements in place in March 2019 to deal with these changes, anyone | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
who knows anything about customs knows it will be impossible to put | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
in place the necessary arrangements within a two-year period, so, | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
leaving with no deal is not a your trading issue it is a practical | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
customs issue and that is why committing to no deal and not doing | :40:16. | :40:18. | |
as Boris Johnson and others do is to say it is a relaxed situation to | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
find ourselves in and being clear that we need transitional measures. | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
It is not just customs, in my wealth of criminal justice the idea of | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
leaving without an agreement that allows others to continue to use and | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
access the criminal justice tools that we have got is something that | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
anyone involved in the field is an thinkable. We have to be clear about | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
that and we have to have a discussion with business about how | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
we make this work for you in a way that reduces the burden on you. And | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
we have to involve businesses from the start. Most businesses are | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
saying to me that it is the uncertainty that is causing them the | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
greatest anxiety. But if they knew there was a genuine commitment to | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
transitional measures it would help them great deal in future planning | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
because they have to decide whether they will put in place customs | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
arrangements in two years or five years. They to answering your | :41:10. | :41:18. | |
question. Yes, this gentleman here. I think this question leads on from | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
what you have just been saying and puts it in a wider context. I'm | :41:23. | :41:30. | |
Stephen Hopman, as you know. One of the effects of leaving the EU is | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
clearly going to beat the all the obligations which the EU, its member | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
states and its citizens over to us are going to come to an end at least | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
the formal, legal obligations, would you agree that the collaborative | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
approach which is the key element in your presentation is going to be | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
absolutely necessary, it is a precondition of enabling those | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
obligations to survive in some form for the benefit of the people of | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
this country, otherwise we will simply be adrift? Weight I could not | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
agree more which is why no deal, severing all relations and leaving | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
those rights and obligations hounding is a very, very bad case | :42:14. | :42:19. | |
scenario. -- and leaving those obligations hanging. That is why a | :42:20. | :42:21. | |
Labour government will save the outset that it is not a viable | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
option, we need have a meaningful and collaborative relationship in | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
which rights and obligations are understood and respected as we go | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
forward because your web is our main trading partner and of course the EU | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
countries other countries that we do the most collaboration and | :42:39. | :42:41. | |
co-operative work with and we need to have the framework within which | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
that all pics place. That is not to say that we do not leave as members | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
of the EU, it is to say that we draw up a partnership which is not | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
membership, which allows those arrangements to continue in place. | :42:57. | :42:59. | |
We will have two more questions starting with the ladies in the very | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
eye-catching dress of the fund, here. -- with the very eye-catching | :43:03. | :43:10. | |
dress at the front. I am concerned with the environmental impact, there | :43:11. | :43:19. | |
is negotiations and discussions about the pollution. I wonder what | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
you are thinking about after we left how we will negotiate those, | :43:24. | :43:32. | |
especially the own renewable energy markets, it is our biggest income | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
and it is dropped over 30,000 jobs, this might lead more job cuts in the | :43:39. | :43:46. | |
UK. I want to know how we can look at that. Briefly, the Mariah Mint is | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
one of the areas where a lot of the standards that we apply with. | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
# Briefly, In my constituency we have a | :43:55. | :44:03. | |
pollution issues, as we do across other parts of London and UK. The | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
standards we apply compound the EU and as we on Hitch bombing it is | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
really important we not lose the standards -- as we on Hitch from it. | :44:13. | :44:19. | |
The second is, the elemental protections have to be carried | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
through to our EU rights and protections built, but not just the | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
protection is a means of enforcement because in relation to environmental | :44:30. | :44:32. | |
rights many are enforced to EU mechanisms. There is no used | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
transposing the rights across if you do not transpose the means of | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
enforcement, but more than that a Labour government want to go further | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
on environmental protection because it is a huge issue of our time on | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
which more action is going to be needed. All of those commitments are | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
commitments from an incoming Labour government. Last question, gentleman | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
there, slightly taller than the people you're sitting by. Oh, the | :45:00. | :45:07. | |
microphone. I am a member of this institution so welcome. Thank you, | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
very much. You are a lawyer so advise, please. The best deal is to | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
remain, self evidently, everything you said was about remaining, so, | :45:18. | :45:24. | |
lawyer what is wrong with doing at de facto modified the main? -- that | :45:25. | :45:31. | |
de facto modified Remain. APPLAUSE | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
It is important that we are clear on this, I campaign to stay in the EU, | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
I have worked with EU institutions over the years, first as a lawyer | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
and then when I was Director of Public Prosecutions, I had staff in | :45:49. | :45:51. | |
some of the EU agencies, I wanted was to remain. But I accept the | :45:52. | :45:58. | |
referendum was a referendum that was for real. I would have expected, had | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
we won the referendum that the result would have been honoured, and | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
it cuts both ways. I am not prepared, now, for the Labour Party | :46:11. | :46:14. | |
not to do except the result and genuinely accept the result. We | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
asked for a decision, we got a decision it was close and that must | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
be reflected in the negotiations and the way we reveal our country. The | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
values I believe in have to be the values that underpin any future | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
agreement. The Labour Party cannot spend all of its time trying to | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
board out yesterday and not accept a result which it is honour bound to | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
accept. We accept that we respected and we face the challenge ahead. | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
That is why I have set out our objectives in the way we have set | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
out. This the future, not the past, have the confidence about a future | :46:55. | :46:57. | |
relationship, but genuinely accept the outcome of the referendum. Thank | :46:58. | :46:59. | |
you. APPLAUSE | :47:00. | :47:01. | |
Thank you. APPLAUSE | :47:02. | :47:24. | |
Thank you, Jonathan, for that over-flattering introduction. | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
The sort that my father would have enjoyed and my mother | :47:28. | :47:30. | |
Now, it's fair to say that when I accepted the invitation some | :47:31. | :47:43. | |
months ago to speak today I sort of rather expected that | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
the conference would fall in a nice, quiet period, just before | :47:47. | :47:48. | |
the council decided its negotiating guidelines, so so much | :47:49. | :47:50. | |
I certainly hadn't anticipated that we would be in the middle | :47:51. | :48:00. | |
of a general election campaign so for all the arguments that there | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
will be over the next six weeks, I know that here there are people | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
from both sides of the debate, from all parties and none, | :48:07. | :48:10. |