Ukip and the Green Party Election Questions

Good evening from Bristol. Tonight we put two party leaders to the test

in an election questions special. Welcome to the studios here in

Bristol. Last night, another shocking attack on the streets of

the capital, only a week after a terrorist attack in Manchester.

Today the normal rules that guide general election campaigning were

put on hold. This evening that campaign was resumed. Tonight you

going to hear from the co-leader of the Green Party, Jonathan Barkley

and the leader of the United Kingdom Independence party, Paul Nuttall. We

will hear from him in a moment. There is a welcome Jonathan Bartley

from the Green Party. Welcome to the programme. In the light of the

tragic events last night, Theresa May held a special security meeting,

COBRA at Downing Street. She said the country needs to change its take

on the way it deals with extremism and tackles terrorism. Do agree with

that? I will answer that. My thoughts are very much with those

who were hurt or killed and their last night.

Paid tribute to the emergency services who did amazing work last

night. I watched what Therese May said. I think she is right to call

for a review. I think that review needs two very important aspects.

The first is the Prevent strategy. We have seen some success. The

Government has been pursuing it for several years for them it is toxic

for some communities and alienate some communities. Not getting to the

root of the radicalisation. I want her to look at policing. We have

seen 20,000 police officers last. It is not just about police numbers, it

is about the way we police. I am chair of a panel which sets

priorities for local policing. Police cannot be in every place at

every moment. They require policing by consent and to work with the

community they need intelligence from the community and I want to see

that front and centre in the review that Theresa May conducts. You

called the Prevent strategy xenophobia. Why is that? For those

who are trying to tarnish the Muslim community with these atrocities,

this was not down to the Muslim community. This was a perversion of

Islam. With the toxic... I am sorry you are saying rubbish, I disagree

with you. It is alienating the very communities we need to be building

bridges with. Think of yourself, maybe have a family member you are

worried with the risk of radicalisation. Do you trust the

authorities and trusts the strategy? Are you going to bring this to the

attention of the authorities? Extremism is complex and radicalism

is complex. It is not a clear answer as to why people become radicalised.

It happens in many ways. Therese are made talked about changing our whole

strategy. Following last by's terrorist attack, do we need to be

armed to protect our -- ourselves? It is good that the Prime Minister

has started to talk about reviewing the strategy. We have armed police

officers on the street. The question we will have to face, we will elect

a parliament and government to address these issues about whether

we need armed police officers further. Let's see what comes out of

the review. I know the police responded very quickly in this

particular example. My instinct is not to arm all our police. Let's see

what happens. Does anybody want to come in on the back of what Jonathan

has just said in response to what he calls no knee jerk reaction? I don't

think it is a knee jerk reaction. Two years ago, the BBC carried out

the survey of Muslims in this country. It found that 26% of

Muslims in this country support the terrorist attacks in Europe and this

country and they hold our own democracy in contempt. It needs to

be sorted. I am not familiar with that survey. There are some

liberties and freedoms in this country which I am absolutely

passionate about protecting. I think it is what the terrorists want to do

away with, what they want to attack. When it comes to having a knee jerk

reaction to clamp down on Civil Liberties, we have just seen Donald

Trump elected in America. It is not impossible we could have somebody

like that in this country. What they do with powers to clamp down on

Civil Liberties? Why has the Green Party not supported the terrorist

legislation that has been put forward by the Government over the

years? We are very much about scrutinising the Government plans

full stop the job of Green MPs is to scrutinise what the Government is

doing. That is what we have done. When you have groups like Liberty

and the national -- National union of teachers coming forward, you have

to listen to them. Let's listen to the people who are working at the

coal face, let's be led by them and represent them in Parliament. So,

you wouldn't be in favour of taking away the safe spaces on the

internets for extremists to publish their hateful ideology? There are

two issues about technology. Politicians do not really know much

about and I include myself in that. I think we need to be calling

providers of services, they call themselves platforms, like Facebook.

They are also publishers and we need to be calling them to account. The

details of what they have taken down and when they have taken it down.

Theresa May flag this in her speech. What this gentleman said, the 26% of

Muslims agreeing, that is a large amount of people are getting bigger

by the minute. Within 20 to 25 years, people will be shocked at

what I will say but Muslim will be the majority population in this

country. We have two children and they have ten. You are making a lot

of assumptions. This is a perversion of Islam. It is not a problem that

Muslims have to deal with, it is a problem we all have to deal with. I

live in an area that is diverse. I live close to two mosques. I have

talked to the people in the mosques. They hate what happened last night

as much as I do. I worry for their children as much as I worry for my

children. You still have 26% of Muslims who do agree with Isis and

killing British people. I do not accept that. Let's take another

point from the lady in the front row. First and foremost I completely

and sincerely empathise with people's ear of terrorism.

Irrespective of religion and ethnicity. However, acts of

violence, terrorism and crime are not something that is restricted to

religion. There is truth is that Isis is indoctrinating lone criminal

people in a way that is affecting our society now but it is dangerous

to apply a rigid framework just to one religion when in Norway, future

politicians were murdered and no one called that terrorism because his

skin was white. Thank you very much for making that point. One in four

referrals through counterterrorism procedures is from far right terror.

Do you consider the murder of Joe Cox MP as a terrorism incident? I

would. -- Jo Cox. I am interested in your problem in Saudi Arabia and the

close ties behind the Saudi government and our arms sales.

Foreign policy has been raised by Jeremy Corbyn. We need to take that

into account. The Green Party would end commercial arms sales with Saudi

Arabia. The Green Party has also been against pretty well every

foreign intervention. You would not support the idea of a drone taking

out an extremist jihadi and even if they work abroad. You have to take

every case on a case-by-case basis. Let's not pretend those decisions

happen in isolation. They do not. They have consequences far beyond

that particular act. You must take these things very seriously. You

would not support it. It depends on the situation. The next question,

will walk. Your party is proposing a four day working week. What evidence

do have this will benefit the economy? This is a great question.

It is one of the big issues we need to talk about. It is very short

term. What will happen with automation which will take away

millions of jobs? We work and there will be people here watching this

programme at home with a rising feeling in their stomach right now

they will have to go into work tomorrow morning, on Monday. You

might not have that under a green government. You have people like

Amazon already talking about doing it and France dropping to a 35 hour

week. Others are talking about flexible working. 100 years ago

Gerald Ford said, let's have a five-day week and not a sixth day

week. Not Gerald Ford the president, Henry Ford. If it is going to be

phased in a long time, what are you talking about, 100 years? We need a

bigger conversation about the economy for that lets move it as

quickly as we cancelled if you have companies pointing out we have the

lowest productivity in Europe, we work the longest hours. We are

racking up a huge bill for the NHS. It does not have to be like this.

That's have that conversation and see what we can do. Who fancies a

four day week? Do you people in the audience think it is affordable? The

point you are saying about automation. This started 30 years

ago. When I started work they were typing pools with 20 women.

Narrative is done on a word processor. Now you cannot create any

more jobs. Jobs are being taken by technology. Robots build most of the

cars. Can you tell me where these jobs are supposed to be coming from

in the future? That is the point. A few more comments from the audience.

Do you think universal Basic income would be a potential route forward?

To have Sony people applauding that question seems like the idea is

getting through. -- so many people. It is about having a rejig of the

welfare state. It was set up under a very different set of assumptions.

We are seeing an attack on the welfare state by the Government and,

on the other side, it is not fit for purpose because of the assumptions

it was based on. A lot of people are using food banks because of problems

with benefits. It depends how much progressive taxation you want. Who

would be paying for this? At the moment it would be a rejig of the

welfare state. We want a pilot. In other countries they are starting to

pilot these things. In Ontario, they are working it out. Iain

Duncan-Smith started to amalgamate six benefits in Universal Credit. It

is a big thing to do. You work out how it is affordable and then well

-- roll it out. The backbone of this country is

small businesses, who will compensate business owners for

having to pay the same wages, with less productivity? The idea is you

get more productivity per worker when you do not work such long hours

and that is why companies think this might be a good thing. There is a

bigger question, 30 years ago when I was growing up, not so long ago! We

were told we would have technical advances, huge wealth created, we

would work fewer hours and enjoy time with our family. We have had

that wealth and automation and instead, growing inequality. It does

not have to be that way! How do you explain the high levels of

employment? There are criticisms that it might not be the right kind

of employment, you saying high levels of employment not desirable

because that is we have? Look at the kind of employment many of us

experience at the moment. Zero-hours contracts, low wages, insecure

employment and access to tribunal is taken away, we cannot afford the

fees. And the context of Brexit, this Government could potentially

use it as an opportunity to wage a fresh assault on workers' rights.

This is a new age of insecurity and we have to do something different.

There is the money, but it is in the wrong hands and it takes the

political will to make it happen. Any more reaction from the audience?

This gentleman. The 35 hour week in France has been in force for some

years and the new President Emmanuel Macron wants to stop it, why do you

think it would be successful here? I am not familiar with what Macron

said about the 35 hour working week and his reasons for it. The idea of

the working week being shorter is there is a lot of wealth, we have

not seen in this room enough, we have big corporations making excess

profit and eight of and cutting corporation tax lower and lower and

we are not seeing the benefits. We can be better and we can transition

the economy to create good jobs and the Green Party is saying we need is

to transition the economy down to more resilient local economies and

keep money flowing rather than being sucked out by the big

multinationals. When you spend ?1 and an independent shop, the

majority of that money stays in the local economy, if it goes to a chain

store, it leaves it. It makes sense to encourage local economies that

resilient and globalisation, absolutely. You mention creating

good jobs and will want that, what is the Green Party going to do to

create good jobs? How is a four day working week going to create good

jobs? It is all very well to say you would like these things in

opposition, what are you going to do? Good question, we have plans to

create 1 million more jobs and that comes from renewable energy

revolution, a green strategy. We can generate over six times our annual

electricity consumption just from offshore renewables. We are about to

put and the Labour Party supports it and the Government, a subsidy into

him clean nuclear power that would generate 800 jobs. You take that

subsidy and you put it into renewable energy revolution and you

rejuvenate the UK coastline and we generate jobs and that is the way to

spend money. You would need a five-day working week to do that? If

you have more jobs and productivity, why? Why not push the minimum wage

to a living wage standard? We can afford this. This business in favour

of putting it up further? You get savings from a living wage because

you get less in work in fits to pay out and you get an increase in

National Insurance and that money can support businesses. The next

question, can we go to Mitchell? You just mentioned and I saw it on your

manifesto that you wanted to end subsidies for nuclear power. That

does not contribute to climate change, so how can you justify

wanting to be green when we have got pretty much a perfect solution where

it generates huge amounts of power with little damage to the

environment? It is not really a perfect solution. You think about

the massive investment and it is locking this into a deal at a price

that is already more expensive than offshore wind. It is centralised and

it keeps control in a very small place and security ways, it makes is

quite vulnerable. We could decentralise the supply. In my local

community in Brixton, you had a community project when local people

invest with low interest rates and they get a return of 5%, you have

solar panels on a housing estate to generate clean energy which goes

back into local community and the profits go towards installation and

cutting fuel poverty, that makes sense and why not rule it out around

the UK? That is the kind of thing we can do. Because it will keep the

lights on, people will argue. Any questions on nuclear energy and

renewables? One of the biggest problems is that energy bills are

going up and voters do not like green subsidies on their bills,

how'd you tell people that is why in part their bills have gone up? That

is a lie from the pit of hell! If you look at the fossil fuel

subsidies, ?6 billion subsidised by this Government, look at the Big Six

energy companies. Every time the wholesale energy price goes up, they

put up their prices, it goes down and they do not drop their prices

nearly enough. We were told privatisation would cut our bills,

it has not delivered, it is time to bring them back into public

ownership. Anybody wanting to respond in that? Did you want to

comment? Yes, it you say it is cheap to go renewable, but is it anywhere

near as reliable as something like nuclear power? The amounts of power

we need for modern-day society, we cannot ask everybody to change their

lives, when it stops being windy and we do not get wind power and when it

is not sunny, we do not get solar. But it always works and it is safe.

With the greatest respect, that is considered a 20th-century oddments.

We have the ball running the National Grid saying every house and

community and be a powerhouse. I went to visit Cardiff pay to look at

use of Cardiff Bay to hold back the water and drop it at the time you

need the electricity supply. Six up the West Coast could generate as

much power as Hinkley and that is the capacity we could develop. It

does not talk about reliability. You drop it when you have... How much

would it cost? I cannot give you a figure of the top of my head. So you

have a policy you have not costed? I have not got it in front of me but I

can find that out for you after the programme. The point is, it will

save consumers money, it is the right thing to do in terms of

accountability and it is coupled with the renewable energy

revolution. It is not a panacea, we should move towards it, but

decentralise it like Germany, that is cost-effective and it makes money

and it gives back to the community, why would you not do it? Donald

Trump has told America out of the Paris Agreement which he said was

voluntary. It is clear where you stand on that issue! He said it

would not have mattered if he had met those targets or not, what is

the point of those international agreements? The point of the Paris

Agreement and when we heard Theresa May make this point in the debate

the other night, it revealed the details of the conversation with

Donald Trump and I think that is such a such weak leadership! What

you say? She basically said, Donald said he was leaving the Paris

Agreement and she said, we are not, not a great idea but why not? I

would have said, I cannot repeat it here! But I think you have to say

this is totally unacceptable, economic click the literate.

Environmentally illiterate and scientifically illiterate and

entirely the wrong decision. We should be in the Paris Agreement

because climate change does not stop at the border, we have to work with

other countries to get those agreements. It sets a framework and

direction for local business, for those people making that energy

transition. It was the big corporations investing that's it to

Trump, you are throwing us off course and giving us the wrong

direction. If we are to make this transition, we need a player like

America involved and at the table. The next question is about whether

the Green Party can enact any proposals in their proposal --

manifesto. Should Green Party voters vote tactically and Labour to stop

the Conservatives winning a majority? In about 30 seats around

the country, one thing I am proud about the Green Party is that we

look beyond tribal politics and we believe we should act in the

interests of the country. But the selection, where there is a Green

candidate, I want you and everyone else to vote Green because we are at

a fork in the road. You will hear from Paul Nuttall in a minute and he

is taking the country, even though he has no MPs at Westminster, down

the wrong road. His party has said to the Government come jump, the

government has said, how high? They pursuing an extreme Brexit to take

us in the wrong direction as a country and that will be inward

looking. If you want an outward looking and inclusive vision

standing up for freedom of movement, to make the right decisions over for

example Trident nuclear weapons, where Labour's policy is frankly a

shambles, vote for the Green Party, this is at stake, has job vote for

the Greens. Why have the other parties not gone in on this progress

alliance? Nobody has signed up to it officially and you are standing

aside in 30 seats. Extremely disappointing. With my co-leader

Caroline Lucas, I wrote to Tim Farron and Jeremy Corbyn at the

beginning of the election to say, please talk about it. And for

Ashley, they did not reciprocate, but sometimes you have to make the

first move and show leadership and I am really proud we did show that

leadership. How big a problem is it your proposals are similar to Jeremy

Corbyn and the Labour Party? There is common ground. Most of it. No,

not most of it. Where is the commitment to proportional

representation in the manifesto? Why is he spending ?110 billion

reviewing nuclear weapons which he said he would never use when we

could be giving a kiss of life to the NHS? You cannot tackle

appellation and pursue a programme of airport expansion and road

building. So why are you standing aside in so many seats? We believe

this comment is so dangerous and will be so ad for the future Britain

that we have to suck it up, and it is painful but I think it is the

right thing to do. Your polling figures, they are extremely low,

lower than in 2015, you are not cutting through. I think we know

what is happening, this is a very tactical election and we are in a

broken electoral system which pushes everyone towards two parties. So in

an extreme situation like we have now with this Government pursuing a

very extreme path. To his credit, Jeremy Corbyn is shaking up the

debate, I want to praise him, he is shaking up the debate. In 2015, we

were the only ones saying austerity was not necessary and is now Labour

are saying this in their manifesto. Back to the question, your response?

Some of the seats in Bristol are very marginal and I have voted Green

before and respect some of your policies at its so close. Voting

Labour to seems like the logical thing to do in this election. In

Bristol West, it is very close between Greens and Labour and you

can vote with your heart. You really can. As Greens, we will work with

Labour if there is a minority Labour government on a case-by-case aces.

In real life outside the Westminster bubble, when you see common ground,

you work with other people and I do not know why on Earth we do not do

that in politics. The lady in the front row. Does that mean if you

have MPs, you will push for proportional representation?

Absolutely. When you get Green MPs in Parliament, in a Conservative

government, you will get them holding them to account. We will

also hold Labour's feet to the fire to deliver on those manifesto

promises and to push them towards the ideas like the four day week and

basic income and scrapping Trident and proportional representation. If

you want a vote that matters, vote Green Party. Given the Green Party

will not be forming the next government, what difference do you

think it will make to have extra green MPs alongside Caroline Lucas

and what can they do that one cannot. You are right, I say

probably I will not be walking into ten Downing Street on the night.

Thank you for being realistic. In 2015 according to our vote share,

and a fair voting system, we would have had to 24 MPs in the House of

Commons. Imagine 24 of Caroline Lucas in the House of Commons, it

would shake up politics! Labour or Liberal Democrats, you know that is

true. The lady there in the front row. By your logic and I supported

in part, how many Ukip representatives would we have?

I am a Democrat. The Greens are the antithesis to Ukip. If you want to

finish off Ukip forever, vote Green for the let's get above Ukip. That's

another reason. I am afraid that is all we have time for. Jonathan

Bartley, please show your appreciation. You are free to go.

APPLAUSE Now you watching a special election

programme here in Bristol. You can join in the discussion on Twitter by

using the hash tag BBC debate. Thank you to our studio audience for their

support fall Jonathan Bartley answering the questions. I can now

work in the leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party. Please

show your appreciation for Paul Nuttall.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Paul Nuttall, I will start with the

same question I put to Jonathan Bartley a short while ago and that

is your response to what Theresa May has said in the light of the

shocking events last night on the streets of London? She thinks the

country needs a completely different approach to extremism and terrorism.

Do you agree with her? I do. I have been calling for that for a long

time. It is interesting to hear Theresa May finally identify what

the problem is. We have had politician after politician who has

refused to accept the problem is Islamist ideology. Islamist them is

not Islam. It is a political ideology, an ideology of violence. I

was glad to hear Therese a talk about is lamb extremism today. --

Theresa May. We need to ensure there are more police officers on the

street. We believe community policing is important. People are

going to pass on information to be more likely to be two policemen in

the local community. We need to see the Muslim community itself sign up

to the Prevent programme. Only one in eight at the moment do that.

There is a breakdown of trust. We need to rebuild it. Finally, we also

have to look at the Saudi or Qatari funding of mosques. Saudi Arabia

spreads hatred and radicalism and violence around the globe. We have

to look at the funding of mosques. Let's take our first question from

James, Michael. You recently said detention without trial should be

considered for terrorist suspects. Isn't this against British values of

justice? What I said is that nothing should be taken off the table. I

also talked about return to control orders and tagging. The safety of

British civilians and last night in Manchester and the Westminster

attack proves this, is more important than the human rights of

any would-be jihadi. What we have to do is accept we are now living in a

different world. The living in a dangerous society. There are a small

group of people in this country. It is small. They hate the way we live

hate who we are and want to destroy our democracy. The Muslim community

itself are victims. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful.

They add to our culture and economy. There are a small number. I have

called radical Islamism a cancer that needs to be cut out. Let's take

some more comments from the audience. The gentleman on the front

row. What is your attitude to places like Tower Hamlets where you have

groups of young Islamic men wandering around and telling people

what to do? It should be made perfectly clear there is one law in

this country and that is British law. People should sign up to

British values and the British way of life. Period. It should simply

not be accepted within British society and these people should be

told loud and clear there is one rule for this country. If you break

the law you go through the criminal justice system. What are you

suggesting? These people are verbally telling people to cover up

and whatnot. They are not necessarily breaking the law. They

need to be told and it needs to be made clear, you are in Britain a new

sign up to the British way of life. Internment is the answer, is it? I

did not say that. I also mention water boarding by the way. That is

in the case if there is going to be an imminent terrorist attack. If we

had to find out information quickly, I would not take anything off the

table to ensure British women, men and children are kept safe. Is that

not extreme? I will tell you what is extreme, people going into the

Manchester Arena and blowing themselves up with a nail bomb and

killing 22 women and children. Someone driving a van last night Dan

Westminster Bridge and knowing people over. That is extreme and

what needs to be cut out. I think it is notable that you attempt to

distinguish between is lamb and Islamism. -- Islam. Thank you for

putting that in the narrative. With the Prevent strategy, it you have

suggested banning the burqa. You are grouping these people. It is about

integration. One thing is clear in this country and it is proven by

reports by Trevor Phillips. We are becoming more divided society and

are integrating. It is actually nothing to do with my rhetoric. It

is down to failed ideology of multiculturalism. That is a problem

whereby communities are encouraged to live alongside each other but

never necessarily have to mix. It cannot be right that 22% of Muslim

women in Britain either do not speak English or speak very little

English. If you are talking about the banning of face coverings, if

people turn up at an EDL march, they should not be able to cover their

faces. As for the kneecap and the burqa, I would argue two things.

One, it is about security. There are numerous examples of people escaping

wearing the Burke or the nikab. For CCTV to be effective, you need to

build to see people's faces. Secondly, it is all about

integration. To enjoy the full fruits of Bridget society and mini

cake properly, you must show your face. -- British society. We will

take some more comments from the audience. Prevent has been

criticised for alienating communities. I wonder whether some

of your rhetoric and away in which you speak about is lamb is inciting

radicalisation. -- Islam. I would not feel particularly comfortable

with some of the sweeping statements you are making. Actually, I'm not

taking anything negative about Islam, I am saying negative things

about Islamism. It breeds these people who hate us and want to kill

us. We must do something about it. We have to say that Islamism is not

welcome in Britain. I was glad today to hear Theresa May saying enough is

enough. We cannot allow this to continue. We must cut it out. Put

more police on the streets. Radicalisation is rife in the

prisons. It means putting more prison officers, 7000 more prison

officers, more border guards. We must ensure our own people are safe.

Another comment from the man in the middle. Further to your integration

policy where you have mentioned that where the perpetrators of sex

grooming gangs are targeting girls from outside the community, why do

you think the UK political parties are so shy of noticing this pattern

where the victims are almost always white girls, seek girls and Hindu

girls and the grooming gangs are almost always from a particular

section of the community, ie Pakistani Muslims? You are right. It

is because of political correctness. Other political parties and local

authorities have turned a blind eye to those for far too long. We have

had a situation like in Rotherham where we had 1400 girls who were

groomed or raped. Terrible things. Because of political correctness, we

said nothing and turned a blind eye. I would argue that religion and race

in these circumstances should be an aggravating factor when these cases

go to court. These people have been through the criminal justice system

and they were convicted. What do you want to do further? You want to make

their religion... Religion and race in other cases are an aggravating

factor. With the grooming gangs in has not been. These girls have been

picked because they are Hindu and predominantly white. My name is

Kamal Mohammed. Let me just condemn the horrible and appalling attack

happened in London last night. APPLAUSE

I am really glad to hear you talking positively about the Muslim

community. You also talked about building trust with the Muslim

community in order to tackle extremism. You like figures and

numbers. Recent research conducted in the University of Bristol says,

if you are a qualified Muslim with a degree, you have three times less

chance to get the job a white person can get. That is reset. You love

figures. What can you do to tackle racism? You want to build trust

between us. How will you tackle institutional racism?

APPLAUSE I am not aware of that piece of

research. If it is correct then it is wrong. Another statistic. 16%.

Answer that. How would you deal with racism in communities? It is all

about racism and bringing people together. Telling women not to wear

the Burke and nikab would help, would it? What are you so want to

say is you have given that statistic. Extreme percent our

unemployed. -- 16% are unemployed. I would argue, in a sense that you are

probably right to a point. There is also an issue around integration and

Muslim women being willing to put themselves forward for jobs. Again

the burqa and nikab preclude that. The burqa has nothing to do with

that. Let me go on to the next question. Leila King. Does Ukip and

your general rhetoric and policy can do you bear some responsibility for

the rise in UK terrorism and was it a sincere and appropriate gesture to

be the only party who did not suspend your election campaigning

following last night's attack? Obviously the Greens have not

because you have just had the Green co-leader on this platform as well.

What I will say, it was an act of defiance. These people hate our

democracy from what a great way to say you will not beat us by ensuring

our general election takes place. And it continues. What about your

rhetoric in terms of leading to radicalisation? What is leading to

radicalisation are places like Saudi Arabia and Qatar spreading Islamist

all over the globe. -- Islamism all over the globe. I think Gerard got

his terminology wrong. What I have made clear it is extremist Islamism

is a problem we have. I will go back to the question and then open it up

to the rest of the audience. Going back to one of the issues you

brought up a moment ago in terms of religious headdress, whether or not,

in a separate context you think this is a kind of practical and tangible

request of a society that they should have their face visible at

all times, can you not see how bringing up these personal,

alienating, culturally judgmental points, it does alienate people.

This is going to happen anyway. It has already the happened on France

and Belgium and Bulgaria. You are the only party proposing it here.

Hold on! It will happen in Germany eventually and Angela Merkel is

talking about it already, and in Austria and Holland. We can either

the on the curve or behind the curve. One law for all, that is what

I would like for us in this country. Where we have Sharia law saying one

thing and our law saying another, I think you will have complete

division forever until we have one law for everybody. We will all know

what is good and what is bad and we will move on from there. I tend to

agree and I do not believe in Sharia councils or a Sharia court because I

do not believe there is a place for a court whether war word of a woman

is half that of a man. We have to move on to other questions and there

is only one law in this country, to be clear, in the ayes of the

Government. Just to make it clear. The next question please. Andrew.

Ukip proposed to defend the NHS with a significant proportion of the

staff working there being immigrant is. The greatest danger to the NHS

surely is Brexit and Ukip? No, it is not a danger. Because what we would

like to see, there are 167,000 migrants working in the NHS and I

would like to see the Government and the date it is elected, turn around

to these people and say, you provide a great job for our NHS, you're good

for the economy, you can stay. Simple as that. As for Ukip being

bad for the NHS, we are the party offering the best deal for the NHS

out of any political parties. Because we are prepared to look at

other priorities. We would like to see the foreign aid budget which is

costing the British people ?30 million every single day cut. Cut

it. And we would save ?11 billion a year. That money can be transferred

directly into social care and into the NHS. What levelled you want to

cut it to? You say in your manifesto to 0.2%, that does not save 11

billion pounds, foreign aid budget is ?12 million. -- ?12 billion. It

will do because it will go up year-on-year. Even if we cut it to

0.2% of GNI, that is the same level as what America was paying under the

Obama administration and nobody would suggest America under Obama

was not charitable, it is still more than Spain and Portugal together.

Sorry, we know from research and from polling that the vast majority

of people agree with us on this issue. Cut the foreign aid budget

and spend British taxpayers' money on the NHS. All the other parties

have signed up to that 0.7% commitment. You are talking complete

rubbish, I am sorry! Somebody over there talked about institutional

racism and you represent it. Oh, go on! I am sorry. How? The health

service has a huge number of people who are being affected by your

approach to our society. Because I want to see the foreign aid budget

cutting? No, because you are coming across as a polemic darkness in the

way we see ourselves. Sorry, but you are. You talk about waterboarding as

an example and dragging us back to a lower level. We are better than

that. We have a higher standard. No, no! We do not want to be dragged

down to where you are! I am talking about protecting British citizens.

We are spending foreign aid, we are giving foreign aid to a country like

India which has more millionaires and billionaires and ourselves. A

country which has its own space programme and its own nuclear

weapons and aircraft carriers. I am sorry, Charity begins at home! If

your policies were so popular, why have you done so six particularly --

techie we badly in recent elections, local elections and by-elections? --

why have you done so badly. You are putting forward your policies but

they are not popular and people have not voted for you. I would not say

the Stoke election was bad and we cut Labour's majority in half. I

said both, and you were supposed to win it! In the local elections, we

ways knew they would be the most difficult in Ukip's history. Ukip

has won the war in many ways by getting the referendum and Brexit.

Now we have got to win peace. It is so important because we have to be

the country's insurance policy. I think Theresa May will win this

election. But I do not trust her to get a good deal for Britain when she

goes into these negotiations and Ukip has to be there to be the guard

dog of Brexit that we voted for on June 23rd last year. Let's go to the

lady with glasses. You just mentioned you have won the war,

presumably you mean Brexit, that is what Ukip was for, why do we still

need Ukip? Won reasons. I have basically made one point -- two

reasons. Whoever is Prime Minister and I think it will be Theresa May,

I am not convinced they will negotiate hard enough to get the

best deal. Let me just make this point. If it was not for Ukip in

2013, there would not have been a referendum, we forced a then British

Prime Minister David Cameron who never wanted to give a referendum

into giving one in the first place and that is proof of how important

Ukip can be. If Ukip is on the pitch and strong and going up in the polls

and winning local elections. Rope but it is not, that is my point!

Sometimes in politics, the tide comes in and it goes out and it will

come back in again and if Ukip is strong, we can ensure we are the

Prime Minister's back home to get the kind of Brexit deal we want. The

lady at the back in the corner. It is also important Ukip is around

because we drive the political agenda. We make the political

weather in many ways. People laughed at as in the Westminster bubble

because they felt a bit uncomfortable about our integration

agenda. Theresa May is now talking our language. Ten years ago when we

spoke about Brexit, people said it was lunacy! When we spoke about a

points-based system on immigration, people said it was racist, it is now

government policy. What issue or immigration system now, you want a

one M and a 1-out policy, that is a MX? No, it is not a gimmick. Look,

this is a policy called balanced migration. It was first proposed by

Frank Field, the Labour MP for Birkenhead and supported by Nicholas

Soames, the Tory MPs. It goes like this, we want to see zero net

immigration over the next five years. So last year 339,000 will

left Britain, that means we would let him the same sort of number.

However, there would also be an Australian points-based system so

what we would get into the country would be skilled migrants who adds

to the economy and tax and it would be good for British wages and for

social cohesion and the economy. So however many doctors or high-tech

specialists we might need, they could not come to the UK unless

somebody left? It would not be 339,000 we would need. Would you

have to wait for summer due to leave before you get a doctor? It is done

over a five-year period and not one year. It is not zero gross

immigration and we are not pulling up the drawbridge, there would still

be about 300,000 a year, but we would be left with skilled migrants.

So not the tens of thousands even in net migration? Net migration, not

gross migration. Back to the point about NHS staffing shortages and

your evident pride in Brexit, what is your response to figures

conducted by the Royal College of Nursing that since Brexit, there has

been a 92% degrees in EU migrants registering to be nurses in the UK.

People are not now wanting to come to the UK! It is not about butting

up the drawbridge! The majority of nurses without the NHS, they are

British. And the next on the list, they are non-EU migrants. What we

need to do, we need to start training our own nurses. It cannot

be right or fair we are taking -- taking nurses from countries in

Africa where one in three people have HIV. Some people say that would

take up to ten years. We are taking nurses from some countries in

Africa... I said it is not fair we are taking nurses from these

countries when quite frankly they are obviously needed in their

countries of origin. The final comment from the audience. What is

your response to the economists and the companies that will take a lot

of jobs out of the UK after Brexit and the fact there is a lot of study

showing immigration is economically beneficial for the UK cannot you

just pursuing ideology and cutting immigration with Brexit? No. A lot

of these reports have not taken into account, and the Office for Budget

Responsibility at the list in their report, it keeps getting quoted this

6 billion a year, they admit they have not taken into account

population growth. So last year, we allowed in net, a city the size of

Hull City. It is Birmingham every five-year is. By the middle of the

century, we have a population of 80 million people. That means a new

hospital building programme, a new school building programme, at new

motorways and a new rail network if you take on how much that will cost.

How you against this? If you take into account the cost of the capital

investment to going to keeping up with population, it is going to be

massive. You need to control the population and you do that by

bouncing migration. Next question now. Bearing in mind that you were

supportive of Donald Trump pulling out of the climate change talks, do

you believe in climate change? Firstly, I mean, I did not support

Donald Trump during his election. I think some of the things that he

said, specifically regarding women, they went above and beyond the pale.

And I do not think this Muslim ban is going to work in any way, shape

or form and I do not think it is right. But what I will say is he is

actually only doing what he said he was going to do. If he did not, what

is the point producing a manifesto? Someone who is elected in a

democracy is carrying out the will of the people. He said. Macro do you

believe in climate change? Of course I believe in climate change. And who

is responsible? Different factors. Including man-made climate change?

Yes, man plays some role in the changing of the climate. But I do

not buy into the climate alarmist agenda. The gentleman at the back, a

brief comment. You just said that people should stand by their

manifesto promises and you introduced it I saying you supported

British values. One of which I thought was happy as corpus. You

went on to talk about detention without trial and it reminded me of

the gnats is that when they came for the Jews, I did not think because I

was not a Jew. There was no one left! When we are going to realise

there is a group of people in this country, MI5 said 23,000, who hate

who we are, they hate who we are and they want to kill us. I want to

ensure things like Manchester and London last night do not become

commonplace in this country! We have to say goodbye, please show your

appreciation and thank you very much, Paul Nuttall.

APPLAUSE That brings as to the end of this Election Questions special

in Bristol, thank you very much to the audience, from everybody here,

good night.