Ukip Election Questions

Now on BBC News, Jo Coburn presents Election Questions,

as a studio audience debates the issues of the 2017

General Election with Paul Nuttall, leader of UKIP.

Welcome to Bristol. You are watching a special election programme,

Election Questions. Our studio audience will be putting their

questions to the leader of the UKIP independence Dharma party, please

welcome, Paul Nuttall. -- UKIP Party. I will start with the same

question I put to Jonathan Bartley just a short while ago. That is your

response to what Theresa May has said in light of the events last

night, the shocking events on the streets of London, that she thinks

the country needs to have a completely different approach to

extremism and terrorism. Do you agree with that? Yes. It is

interesting to hear Theresa May finally identifying what the problem

is. Politician after politician in this country has refused to accept

that the problem is Islamist ideology. It is not about Muslims.

It is a political ideology, one of violence. I was glad to hear Theresa

May today speaking about Islamist extremism. That is the heart of the

problem. What are you proposing in concrete terms? Firstly, we need to

make sure there are more police officers on the beat. We want 20,000

more police officers because we believe community policing is

important. People are more likely to pass on information to police in the

local community. We need the Muslim committee itself signing up to the

Prevent programme, but only one in eight referrals at the moment come

from Muslim people. You support Prevent? Yes. There is a breakdown

of trust. And finally, we have to look at the Saudi funding of

mosques. Saudi Arabia basically spread hatred and radicalism and

violence around the globe and we have to look at mosques in this

country being funded by Saudis and Qataris. The first question from

James. You said detention without trial should be considered for

terror suspects. Is that not fundamentally against the system of

British justice? What I said is that nothing should be taken off the

table. I also spoke about a return to control orders and tagging. The

safety of British civilians, last night, Manchester, and indeed the

Westminster attack, proves this. It is more important than the human

rights of any would-be Jihadi. We have to accept we are in a different

world. This is a dangerous society. There are a small group of people in

this country, and it is small, who hate the way we live, he too we are,

and want to destroy our democracy. The Muslim community itself are

victims here. Be the majority of Muslims are peaceful. They add to

our culture and they add to our economy. But there is a small

number, and I have called it, radical Islam, it is a cancer. A

gentle man in the front row. Hello. What is your attitude to groups of

young Islamic men wandering around telling people what to do,

basically? It should be made perfectly clear that there is one

law in this country and that is British law. And people should sign

up to British values and the British way of life. Fracker

-- Period. It should simply not be accepted in British society and

these people should be told loud and clear there is one rule and law you

sign up to in this country. If you break the law, you go to jail. What

is different? Telling these people to cover-up, they are not

necessarily breaking the law. However they need to be told and it

needs to be made clear you are in Britain. Anti-internment is the

answer? I did not say that. Actually, I also mentioned

waterboarding by the way. I mentioned waterboarding in the case

there was going to be an imminent terrorist attack. If we need

information quickly, I will not take anything off the table to make sure

British women, men, and children, are kept safe. Is that extreme? I

tell you what is extreme, people going to the Manchester Arena and

blowing themselves up with a mail bomb and killing 22 women and

children. What will you do to prevent it? Someone driving a van

last night down Westminster Bridge and mowing people over. That is the

problem and that is what is extreme. The lady at the front. Hello. I

think it is notable you are attempting to distinguish between

Islamic and Islamism and thank you for putting that in the narrative.

But your overrev -- overdependence on Prevent, etc. How do you

distinguish... You talked about banning the Burka. You are not

drawing a distinction. It is about integration. One thing is clear in

this country driven by reports by Trevor Phillips and so on. We are

becoming a more divided society... It is to do with your rhetoric. It

is not. It is the failed ideology of multiculturalism. That is a problem

where communities are encouraged to live beside each other but never

have to mix. It cannot be right that 22% of Muslim women in Britain speak

very little English or none at all. What about face coverings and

banning them. We don't want to ban just the Burka and kneecap, it

should be face coverings in general. -- Niqab. As for those, I would

argue two things, wind, it is about security. There are numerous

examples of people escaping after terrorist attacks or the killings

wearing these kinds of things. Whether we like it or not, we are

the most watched people in the world. We have the most CCTV in the

world. For that to work, you need to be able to see your face. To enjoy

British society and communicate properly, you have to be prepared to

show your face. How does Prevent integrate... Another question. In

France, they banned the Burka and have suffered terrible terror

incidents. Prevent has been criticised for alienating

communities. I wonder if your rhetoric and the way you speak about

Islamic is in itself inciting radicalisation. I know if I was a

Muslim sitting in this audience, I would not feel particularly

comfortable with some of the things you are saying. Actually, I am not

saying anything negative about Islam, but Islamism. It is that

which breeds these people who hate us and want to kill us, right? We

have to do something about it. What should we do? Islamism is not

welcome in Britain. We will no longer turn a blind eye to it. I was

glad to hear Theresa May finally say enough is enough. We cannot allow

this to continue. We have to cut this out. That means more police on

the streets. It means... Radicalisation is rife within

prisons. It means putting more prison officers, 7000 more prison

officers, 4000 more border guards. We have to make sure I wrote people

are safe. In the comment from the man in the middle. -- our own

people. The integration policy. You mentioned we are at the point where

six perpetrator gangs are grooming young girls. All of these young

girls and all of these grooming gangs, they are almost always from a

particular section of the community, that is, Packer Sunni Muslims. You

are right. That is because of political correctness. -- Pakistani.

All the political parties and local authorities have turned a blind eye

to this Forfar too long. We end up in a situation like Rotherham where

we have 1400 girls who have been groomed or raped, terrible things.

The fact is, because of political correctness, we have said nothing

and have turned a blind eye. I would argue that religion and race in

these circumstances should be an aggravating factor when these cases

go to court. These people have been through the criminal justice system

and were convicted in the cases. What further do you want to do? You

want to make their religion... Religion and race in other cases are

an aggravating factor. These girls are being picked generally because

they are Hindu etc. But they are predominately white and Christian.

They are not being groomed within the Muslim committee. The gentle man

in the hat. I am Kamal Mohammed. You can guess my religion. On behalf of

the Sudanese community, we condemn the horrible attack in London last

night. They do not represent us. I am glad to hear you talking

positively about the Muslim committee. But you also talk about

trust. Building trust with the Muslim community in order to tackle

extremism. You like figures and numbers. There was a recent bit of

research from Bristol university saying if you are a qualified Muslim

with a degree, you have three times less chance to get a job than a

white person. And that is the research. What can you do to tackle

institutional racism? If you want to build trust between us, how will you

tackle institutional racism? Well, I am not aware of that piece of

research. If it is correct, then it is an. Another statistic. 16%...

Answer the question. How would you deal with people who feel

marginalised? This is about bringing people together. Telling Muslim

women to not wear face coverings will help that? Yet We can see faces

and communicate properly. What I also want to say is the other

statistic on this is 58% of Muslim women are economically inactive.

Because you are not giving them jobs. That is all it is. I would

argue in a sense you are probably right to a point, but there is also

the issue around integration and Muslim women being willing to put

themselves forward for jobs. And, again, the face coverings are

stopping them getting jobs. This research was conducted by the BBC

and the university of Bristol. I would invite you to look at it. The

next question. Umm, do UKIP and your general rhetoric and policy, do you

have responsibility for the rise of UK terrorism? And was it a sincere

and appropriate gesture to be the only party who did not suspend

election campaigning following the attack last night? Well, obviously,

the Green Party did not, because you just had them on this platform as

well. What I will say is it was an act of defiance. These people hate

our democracy. What a great way to say you will not beat us by making

sure the General Election takes place? OK? And it continues. What

about the rhetoric in terms of leading to radicalisation? It is

not. Radicalisation comes from Saudi Arabia and Qatar spreading Islamism

throughout the world. Why did one of your MPs call Islam a death cult and

a barbaric religion? Does that help community collusion? He is wrong.

What I have said is extremist Islamism is the problem we have.

That is the word I use. Another question. Going back to one of the

issues that you brought up a moment ago in terms of religious headdress,

whether or not in a separate context you think this is a practical and

tangible request of a society, that they should have their face visible

at all times, can you not see how bringing up these kinds of personal

alienating culturally judgement of points, that it does alienate

people. Let him answer. This will happen anyway. OK? It is what

happened in France, Belgium, Bulgaria, the... You are the only

party asking for it here. It will happen in Germany eventually. Angela

Merkel is already talking about it so be it will happen in Austria in

Holland. You can be on the curve or behind it. One law for all. That is

what I would like in this country. While we have sharia law saying one

thing and another saying another, I think you are going to have complete

division forever and ever until we have one law for all. We will all

know what is good, we will all know what is bad, and we will move on

from there. I tend to agree. I don't agree with sharia councils and

court, because there is no place for a court in this country where the

word of a woman is half that of a man. We will have to move on. To be

clear, there is only one law in this country. In the eyes of the judges.

Just to make it clear. Can we go to the next question? Where are you's

UKIP proposed to defend the NHS, yet most people that work their art

immigrant. -- there are. The biggest threat to the NHS is Brexit. It is

not a danger. What we would like to see is the 157,000 EU migrants

working at the NHS at this current point in time, I want the government

on the day it is elected, June ninth, say you provide a great job

for the NHS, you are good for the economy, you can stay that it

symbolised that. -- simple as that. We are the party giving the best

deal for the NHS out of any. That is because we are prepared to look at

other priorities. We would like to see the foreign aid budget costing

the British people ?30 million every single day slashed.

That money can be transferred into social care and the NHS. You say you

want to cut the foreign aid budget to not .2%. That will not save what

you say. It will save ?11 billion by the end of this term because it is a

year on year. Even if you cut it did not .2% of GNA, that is the same

level as what America was paying in the Obama administration. No one

would suggest America under Obama was not charitable. It is still more

than Spain and Portugal put together. I know from polling that

the vast majority of people agree with us. Cut the foreign aid budget

and spend the money on the NHS. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. All the other

parties have signed up to the commitment. You are talking complete

rubbish. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. Somebody talked about racism as an

institution and EU represented. -- you. The health service has a huge

number of people being affected by your approach to our society...

Because I cut the foreign aid budget? Because you are coming

across as a polemic darkness. You are talking about water boarding,

Jake King is down to all lower-level and we are better than that. -- you

are talking about. You are talking about protect thing British

citizens. We are giving foreign aid to a country like India which is

more billionaires and billionaires than ourselves. It has a space

programme, nuclear weapons, aircraft carrier. I'm sorry, it charity

begins at home. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. If your policy is was so

popular, why have you done so spec Taki Na Li badly in recent election.

-- spec spectacular. We cut Labour 's majority in half. I said about

the local elections which you were supposed to win. With the local

elections we knew they were going to be the most difficult in Ukip

history. We have won the war getting the referendum and Brexit. We have

to be the country's insurance policy. I think Theresa May is going

to win the election however I do not trust are to get a good deal for

Britain going into the negotiations therefore Ukip has to be that

continuing to be the guard dog of Brexit. You mentioned you have one

of the world, presumably meaning Brexit. Why do we still need Ukip?

Two reasons. I made one of the points. I am not convinced that

whoever is Prime Minister, and I think it will be Theresa May, will

go out and negotiate hard enough. If it was not for Ukip that would not

have been a referendum in the first place. We forced the Prime Minister

David Cameron into having a referendum and it proves how

important Ukip can be. If Ukip is strong... But it is not, that is my

point. Ukip, in politics the tide comes in and it goes out. We can be

the Prime Minister 's back on to get the kind of Brexit deal we want.

Secondly, it is also important that Ukip because we drive the political

agenda. We make the political weather in many ways. People laughed

at us because they felt a bit uncomfortable about our integration

agenda, Theresa May is now talking our language. Ten years ago people

laughed at us when we spoke about Brexit. Where we spoke about

immigration, people said it was racist. What is your immigration

system- will one in, one out policy. That is a gimmick. Balanced

migration. First proposed by Frank Field, a Labour MP, supported by a

Tory MP. We want to see zero net immigration over the next five years

so for example, 339,000 people left written last year that means we will

let in the same sort of number. However, it would be up points

-based system like Australia so we get in skilled migrants which add to

the economy and would be good for British wages and social cohesion.

However many doctors or high-tech specialists, we might need, they

could not come into the UK until somebody else leaves. What we are

saying is not zero immigration, we are still letting in 300,000 a year

but it would be skilled migrants. So not the 10th of thousands even on

net migration. Net migration not gross. Coming back to the point of

NHS staffing shortages, what is the response to figures conducted by

Royal College of nurses. It is about people not wanting to come to the UK

now. The majority of nurses within the NHS are British and next on the

list are obviously non-EU migrants now. We need to start training our

rain nurses. -- our nurses. It is not fair but taking nurses from

Africa where one in three people have HIV. INAUDIBLE. I said it is

not fair we are taking nurses from countries where they are obviously

needed there. Your response that companies that will pull a lot of

jobs out of the UK after Brexit and that immigration is economically

beneficial for the UK. You persuing ideology for ideology's sake? No.

What a lot of these polls have not taken into account, this policy of 6

billion per year, they have not taken into account population

growth. For example, last year we allowed in net a city the size of

Birmingham. We will have a population of 80 million people and

that means there will have to be a new hospital, rail work, school

building programme. Surely you against the building of these

institutions? If you take into account the cost of capital

investment and keeping up with population, it will be massive. You

need to control population. Bearing in mind that you were supportive of

Donald Trump pulling out of climate change talks, do you believe in

climate change? APPLAUSE

. Firstly, I mean, I did not support Donald Trump during his election. I

think some of the things he said, specifically regarding women went

beyond the pale. I do not think this Muslim ban is going to work in any

shape or form however I will say that he is doing what he said he was

going to do. If he did not, here is someone who has been elected in a

democracy and he is cutting out the will of the people. Do you believe

in climate change? Of course I believe the climate is changing. Who

is responsible? A whole lot of different factors. Including

man-made? Yes however I do not buy into the climate alarmist agenda. We

are running out of time. You just said that people should stand by

their manifestoes and you introduced it by saying you support British

values one of which was heaviest corpus -- you reminded me about when

there were discussions about not supporting the Jews in Nazism

because you are not Jewish. There are people who hate who we are and

hate what we do and they want to kill us. I want to make sure that

things like and Chester and London did not become common place. Thank

you to Paul Nuttall. That brings us to the end of all of our special

programmes. You can watch all the programmes involving the leaders of

the political parties on BBC iPlayer. That leaves me to say good

night from Bristol. It's going to be a wet and windy

start to the new week