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Hello and welcome to the programme. Coming up this week. The Education | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
Minister on his blueprint for schools. Is it about quality or | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
cash? Are the striking health unions | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
taking us back to the red flag politics of the seventies? | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
And two Northern challengers in the race for the Aras. We assess the | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
The Education Minister set out his proposals this week for as he put | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
it, improving education for all pupils, a process which he said | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
would involve unpopular but necessary decisions. John O'Dowd is | :00:53. | :01:00. | |
with me now. The focus has been on school closures. You said there is | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
no hit list but defy it was a principal with falling numbers, I | :01:04. | :01:11. | |
would feel vulnerable and with some justification. The sustainable | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
schools policy has specific issues. One of the key factors examining | :01:15. | :01:23. | |
the future liability of the school is accessibility. We do have large | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
swathes of rural areas in society where for primary schoolchildren | :01:26. | :01:32. | |
the distance between two schools is too much. However, the key issue is | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
the quality of the education being obtained by the children after | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
school. The first phase of the work is looking at the post primary | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
sector because it is clear from studies that we need a certain | :01:47. | :01:53. | |
number of pupils in a school to allow the entitlement framework | :01:53. | :01:59. | |
which brings us up to 27 subjects on the curriculum and we need a | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
greater mass of pupils and teachers to deliver. Numbers are the easiest | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
things to measure so that will be the main thing. Yes, they are but | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
there are not measuring numbers, we are measuring education and it is | :02:15. | :02:22. | |
not just a numbers game. It looks at the quality, the quality of | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
leadership in the school, it looks at accessibility and looks at the | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
community links with the school. There is a community part two. I | :02:33. | :02:40. | |
hear complaints schools close at 4pm and shut off from the community. | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
Also how the school engages with the community because the school | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
that does that, the educational table is growing because the | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
community feels part of it. said there is no hit list but it | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
was pointed out by other politicians there are lists of | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
schools which boards are worried about. And that will be the list, | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
but will not change in the course of this liability -- the viability | :03:05. | :03:11. | |
review. Some of them will be on a list on your desk. I do not like | :03:11. | :03:19. | |
the term hit list. We are talking about people's futures. Where we | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
need to reduce the number of schools, we have the same number of | :03:23. | :03:31. | |
pupils so we have to put them somewhere. Of course, we have | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
research and if we didn't journalists would quite rightly | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
criticise us for not being informed about the state of our schools. We | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
do routinely examine the financial liability of schools and the | :03:43. | :03:51. | |
educational attainment and also important link. So you could say | :03:52. | :03:59. | |
give me a list of 20 schools tomorrow. I could but I haven't. I | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
have asked the boards to sit down together to look at the future | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
viability of schools across the sector. Importantly, I have asked | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
them to examine, we have a number of schools what we do with the | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
pupils? We have to move the pupils on to ensure they receive a proper | :04:19. | :04:28. | |
education is a must-have for -- education. I want to ensure Etain | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
it is high in every school and where schools cannot make it we | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
have to ask ourselves what we do with the pupils? The wider vision, | :04:37. | :04:46. | |
you have asked for a real study of providing decent patterns of | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
schools in the various areas. Where is it heading, where is the logic, | :04:52. | :04:59. | |
Peter Robinson called for a single unified schools system. Well, no, | :04:59. | :05:06. | |
it is a more monolithic organisation than I would envisage. | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
Diversity in education is a good thing. We have a growing Irish | :05:11. | :05:21. | |
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language sector,... And missing its targets. We need to move towards | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
sharing of facilities and schools. If the proposal comes back to me to | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
have a controlled singular school on one side, I will look upon our | :05:36. | :05:43. | |
favourite bit. The Catholic schools have completed a survey but they | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
have this boning the report because of your announcement. Does that | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
head in a different direction from your vision? All the sectors are | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
aware of my views in planning the future. This statement may have | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
been new to the sectors, my views have been expressed on several | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
occasions three meetings and other engagements. What I would say, the | :06:08. | :06:14. | |
Catholic sector would have to be radical, it has to be fitting into | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
the parameters a set-up. What you think radical means? What is the | :06:19. | :06:26. | |
vision? Well, we have to ask, it is no longer the needs of school age, | :06:26. | :06:32. | |
we should look at the needs of the school's surrounding school and how | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
we amalgamate this together. And maybe continue to use them. I ask | :06:36. | :06:44. | |
the question, why it on an urban street would then need two schools | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
operating if one of the numbers is falling, widely need to operate | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
both of the schools at this time? Surely resources would be better | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
used amalgamating the schools and raising the quality and attainment | :06:58. | :07:04. | |
of children in the school. And with the same applied to different | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
sectors on the same street? Yes, or so it would apply to different | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
sectors coming-together on one street. I am not opposed to up. As | :07:13. | :07:19. | |
we have seen, there is a lot of sharing going on. The mechanisms I | :07:19. | :07:26. | |
have set in place let's sharing to take place. We had about projects | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
involving 150 schools, it has been going for five years, the | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
department has and put a single penny into it. Why not? | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
Department supports are sharing in many ways. But not financially. | :07:39. | :07:48. | |
They have offended -- funded schooling. For principles to sit | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
down in one room together has been the experience. We are funding | :07:53. | :07:59. | |
sharing. I had said explicitly in my statement on Monday if proposals | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
come back the shared facilities I will support those. We are | :08:02. | :08:12. | |
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championing -- championing them in Omagh. We have to move on. People | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
have to change their mind set. It is not about the individual school, | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
it is of other pupils that attend the school. Is any of this ever | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
going to happen? The last great fix was the E S A which was brought | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
into being from 2006. It has not happened and is costing millions of | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
pounds to run. It is not doing anything. It is something your | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
predecessor did not push along at all. That requires political | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
agreement. If you look at the history of the executive since the | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
summer recess and after elections, we have carried out a number of | :08:53. | :09:00. | |
major decisions, the DUP and Sinn Fein have put proposals to the | :09:00. | :09:06. | |
Environment Agency. We have agreed on a proposals. The politics has | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
opened up again. We are moving decisions through the executive. I | :09:11. | :09:18. | |
believe with goodwill it can be achieved. Will my proposes be | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
achieved? Yes. The terms of reference will be sent out right, I | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
will consult further with the boards and other sectors on the | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
next piece of work around area planning. In four weeks' time you | :09:31. | :09:40. | |
could be deputy first minister, then what? What about continuity in | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
your sector? The party would decide in the circumstances who is deputy | :09:45. | :09:53. | |
first minister. There is a pool of talent. I am content whether in | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
education or D F N, we have the capacity to move along the right | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
path. Not a word in the blueprint about the transfer test, why not? | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
We talked about educational attainment and sustainability. | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
There are schools now he close their doors to children and they | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
would have to open them up to survive. That is the reality. No | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
school can sit out on its own. This new direction and policy means | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
schools he once thought they could sit on the hill with the front | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
gates baht to the community... looked at figures showing a | :10:30. | :10:37. | |
grammar-school us take dozens of people who get a grade D. Hundreds. | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
A small number of grammar schools are true grammar schools. The | :10:42. | :10:48. | |
selection test is a clever marketing device. It has not been | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
addressed, no one seems to be talking about it and the transfer | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
test continues to exist. The fact is from my stint on Monday, no | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
school or sector will be able to sit out on their own. There would | :11:02. | :11:11. | |
have to come round the table and be part of learning communities. | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
you said you often heard sad tales of pupils being made to leave | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
schools because they did not reach specific attainment, you are | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
talking about people who do not get good enough grades to study at 6th | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
form. Is that a direct attack on grammar schools? It is not a case | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
where young people has not achieved the grades to go on a study, it may | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
be more of a challenge, what was happening was if you do not get | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
exceptional grades, you're asked to move on. Universities are demanding | :11:44. | :11:51. | |
exceptional results. But our schools system is there to teach | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
until the child leaves a 16. We are witnessing in many areas where | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
pupils are asked to leave because their exam results do not meet the | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
needs of the school. That is not how education should work. The | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
school should meet the needs of the people. That is what the play is | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
brilliant -- we pay billions into the education system. What is the | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
risk of it all becoming a series of sticking plasters without any | :12:18. | :12:28. | |
central vision? No, that is why I have bought the board together to | :12:28. | :12:37. | |
have a legislative responsibility, working in close conjunction. Those | :12:37. | :12:46. | |
bodies have legislative basis. A short time pieces of work with | :12:46. | :12:54. | |
long-term results. Turning to another subject, the child abuse | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
inquiry, the bodies set up, how important is that? To be victims | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
and survivors it is vitally important. For the first time in a | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
society's history week, as elected politicians, have acknowledged the | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
harm done to those young people. They were abused terribly because | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
they are put into the care of the state or the agencies of the state. | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
The first step we have taken is acknowledging no wrong, the next | :13:22. | :13:28. | |
step has to be an inquiry and identification. A you would pursue | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
it to prosecution? If criminal acts took place, which they have, and | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
the evidence is put forward, those people should be held responsible. | :13:38. | :13:48. | |
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The trade union Unison Mac will be striking next week. The Regional | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
Secretary claims that when she met the Minister Edwin Poots, he did | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
not know what they were striking about. That is understandable. When | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
the ballot was announced, the reason given was a consultant -- | :14:11. | :14:17. | |
consultants reports on the NHS. Since then many other reasons have | :14:17. | :14:24. | |
been sighted. There are very few planned compulsory to San -- | :14:24. | :14:30. | |
redundancies in health. The striker said to go on. An announcement that | :14:30. | :14:37. | |
schools will have to close will no doubt be added to the max. It is | :14:37. | :14:47. | |
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hard to avoid the idea that Unison... Unison's claim to be | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
defending public services for the good of everyone is self-service -- | :14:56. | :15:04. | |
self-serving nonsense. Like most unions, they no longer represent | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
the working class against the ruling class. It represents public | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
sector workers, a privileged vested interest, against the interests of | :15:14. | :15:22. | |
everyone else. If you point this out to public sector workers, they | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
say they are taxpayers as well. The purpose of hospitals is not to | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
employee nurses and the purpose of schools is not to employee teachers. | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
Their employment is a service delivered the overhead. If the same | :15:36. | :15:46. | |
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service can be delivered for less, it should be. Keeping school desks | :15:46. | :15:53. | |
empty because you union is putting their members first. Stormont is a | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
consensus has done. There are signs that its patience with the unions | :15:58. | :16:04. | |
is wearing thin. The DUP's Simon Hamilton has complained about the | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
agenda of a small number of people. Union activism in Northern Ireland | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
involves a few hundred bury them or their placard waverers, often like | :16:14. | :16:20. | |
to hardline parties that cannot get elected. Letting them set the | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
agenda is perverse. The unions have performed at least one public | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
service - introducing real politics to Stormont at last, and even at | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
that is the real politics of the 1970s, is that not where we left | :16:36. | :16:46. | |
off? An Ulster Unionist with a special | :16:46. | :16:53. | |
interest in transplants now. I have recently been elected. I | :16:53. | :17:00. | |
grew up in Banbridge, and my mum and dad had a business. I married a | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
farmer. I represent quite a large rural constituency. Issues with | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
farming here are issues that affect farmers throughout Northern Ireland. | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
I know that farmers want to Falmer not be left filling in forms all | :17:17. | :17:25. | |
the time. The I also represent the three main towns here, we need to | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
protect those towns and and look after those while encouraging | :17:29. | :17:35. | |
inward investment and jobs. My mum has been an active member of the | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
Ulster Unionist Party for many years. She gradually introduced my | :17:39. | :17:46. | |
sister and her myself. Politics consumes you and you find yourself | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
becoming more interested in it. I think sometimes women are reluctant | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
to put themselves forward as an election. They see it as a male- | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
dominated profession. I think with myself and party colleagues | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
recently being elected, it gives them encouragement. I have lived | :18:05. | :18:12. | |
here for more than 20 years. I have two boys. Eliot who is at Cambridge | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
and Mark to farms here with his dad. Mark was diagnosed at five years | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
old as having a severe reflex in both kidneys. We always knew the | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
day would come when he needed a kidney transplant. Nothing quite | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
prepares you for sitting in the consultant's Waiting Room, when | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
they do the blood test, and they say he has two years Max Mum before | :18:37. | :18:43. | |
he must go on the kidney transplant list and his kidneys are closing | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
down completely. Mark had his transplant at 15, just over two | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
years ago. He could not walk, he could hardly move. He was basically | :18:54. | :19:01. | |
dying in front of us. Now he is a strapping bedfellow. He is taking | :19:01. | :19:11. | |
part indeed -- in the transplant Games in August. Mark and I got | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
involved at an Islay which through -- to promote organ donation. At | :19:16. | :19:22. | |
that stage I joined the Northern Ireland kidney Patient Association. | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
For people at any stage of their lives, they can develop organ | :19:27. | :19:33. | |
failure so it is perhaps more stressful for them. To see how well | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
mark looks now, it sees -- shows there is life after a transplant. | :19:38. | :19:46. | |
That is a great benefit. Because he had his transplant at 15, he might | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
need two or three transplants through his life. There is the | :19:50. | :19:58. | |
possibility I could give him a kidney. I would like to be known | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
for offering first-class constituency service for all of my | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
constituents, so that anything that matters to my constituents, I know | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
I will do my best to represent them. The seven runners of the Aras an | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
Uachtarain Challenge are well into the first bend with a full month | :20:17. | :20:24. | |
ahead of them. News Talk Radio's political editor joins us. The | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
nation had their first chance to see the seven candidates in action | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
on prime time last night, in separate interviews. Michael | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
Higgins, President of the Labour Party, was the oldest candidate in | :20:38. | :20:48. | |
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the race. My heart is fine. I had a problem I | :20:51. | :20:59. | |
year ago but it was nothing serious. I am looking forward to their most | :20:59. | :21:05. | |
energetic and vigorous campaign. He is a warm favourite at the | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
moment, with a high profile and a good track record in politics. | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
People like him. If you look at the opinion polls, he is close to the | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
top, and more crucially, he is getting transfers from every other | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
candidate. This race could be decided by transfers. It is | :21:24. | :21:30. | |
conceded that no candidate will get more than half of the vote on the | :21:30. | :21:36. | |
first ballot. He has a presidential look about him and I think it is | :21:36. | :21:42. | |
his contest to lose. Senator David Norris, he pulled out | :21:42. | :21:51. | |
earlier in the year. Now he is back in the race. | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
I could give you a good dancer. I tell you I give you an answer that | :21:56. | :22:03. | |
the Irish people would love me, but I tell you that I cannot on legal | :22:03. | :22:11. | |
advice revealed the contents of those letters. Can you accept that? | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
Is this controversy going to affect the senator's chances? | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
Unquestionably. This controversy will not go away. The issue of the | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
letters has a risen again because only one letter came up when he | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
withdrew from the race. There are possibly five or six other letters | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
that he is refusing to add -- to release, he claims on legal grounds. | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
A lot of people are questioning his legal advice saying there is no | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
legal bar to him releasing the letters. Until he releases those | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
letters, the issue will continue. David Norris is stressing those | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
letters are pretty much identical to the one that was published | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
already but it is an issue that will not go away and will dog him | :22:59. | :23:05. | |
for the length of his campaign. Another northern candidate, he has | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
been asked frequently since his declaration about his past in the | :23:09. | :23:15. | |
iron a. In those interviews, the Enniskillen bomb came up. A I was | :23:15. | :23:25. | |
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not senior in the eye are they then. -- away. There were many terrible | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
things that happened. I feel ashamed whenever incidents like | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
that happen in the name of Irish republicanism. | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
Martin McGuinness and his past, still an issue? | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
It is and it will be for the duration of the campaign. He seemed | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
to be surprised by the questioning early on in the campaign, but I | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
think he has used to read at this point. He has dealt with it better | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
in recent days. There is no doubt it will be an issue in this | :23:58. | :24:03. | |
campaign. He will be a little disappointed with his performance | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
in the first big poll of the conference. It showed him at 16%, | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
better than the 10% that Sinn Fein had in the general election, but it | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
is a long way short of what is needed to be elected and crucially, | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
he is not getting transfers. But it would be an improvement on the | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
general election performance, bring him into second or third position. | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
On balance, that might be the limit of Sinn Fein's ambitions. | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
Rosemary Scallon is the second northern candidate from the same | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
part of the world as Martin McGuinness. She was in the race in | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
1997 but did not win it. She was asked this time that she was | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
bringing anything new to the table. People know me as the Eurovision | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
member -- winner for this country but perhaps they did not know me | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
beyond that. I came in third place and took almost 15% of the vote. I | :25:02. | :25:09. | |
know that people began to realise that I said what I thought. | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
I think our chances are slim. She did run in the 1997 presidential | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
elections and surprised a lot of people by becoming third. She | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
appeals to a traditional Conservative vote. But I think it | :25:23. | :25:30. | |
will be difficult to replicate that 14%. She does not have the element | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
of surprise this time. It is a much more congested field and a much | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
more high-profile field. She has contested a number of election | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
since that point. She was successful in one European election | :25:43. | :25:49. | |
but since then she has failed to be elected. If she got seven or 8% of | :25:49. | :25:59. | |
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the vote she would be doing well. The other candidates. What are | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
their chances? Made a day this is probably a dark | :26:06. | :26:14. | |
horse. If Michael Higgins will fall short, what many Davies. The poll | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
from last Sunday showed her getting a lot of transfers from a lot of | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
candidates. Middle Ireland likes her. People say her campaign has | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
been drab and dull but it is a solid campaign, well organised, and | :26:28. | :26:34. | |
she does appeal to that middle Ireland vote. She is another woman. | :26:34. | :26:42. | |
Her name is Mary like the two previous presidents. The other | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
candidate is having a difficult campaign. Some Gallacher probably | :26:47. | :26:55. | |
has the best message. I do not know how credible it is but his campaign | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
does not seem to be taking off. Is there much sense of excitement? | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
I do not think that is the right word. Any excitement there was was | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
probably crashed by seeing seven ten-minute interviews with each | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
candidate yesterday on TV. It is an unwieldy field. A lot of interest | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
has been generated by David Norris's attempt to get back into | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
the race but certainly I think it has distracted from the more real | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
and pressing problems down here. Ultimately, it is not the most | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
significant job here. It is largely ceremonial and what it will come | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
down to is, who is the best person to represent Ireland abroad? Who | :27:39. | :27:45. | |
will look good standing beside the Queen, for example? It is largely | :27:45. | :27:51. | |
about personality. While it might of been a most exciting race, | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
previous presidential contests have been nasty, dirty and better and I | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
would not be surprised if it turns out like this. | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
That is where we'll leave it this time. We will be back at the usual | :28:03. | :28:13. | |
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time next week. Goodbye. His two claims not enough for you? | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
I am like a male version of Rehana. I cannot sing but I have... I have | :28:21. | :28:30. | |
been shouted at. The DUP doing their bit for feminism, telling one | :28:30. | :28:37. |