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But first on BBC News, Politics Europe.

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Hello, and welcome to Politics Europe,

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your regular guide to the top stories in Brussels and Strasbourg.

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The EU has pledged billions of taxpayers' money

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to help Syrian refugees, but with peace talks stalled and

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fighting escalating, will they do anything to ease the suffering

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David Cameron's back on the road selling his deal

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Will he be able to convince sceptical governments to

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The border guards are back, with more than a million migrants

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Is the dream of a border-free Europe dead?

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And is this Europe's most serious faultline?

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We visit the border that separates the two halves of Belgium.

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On this side, we are in a Flemish town

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and that side is a Walloon town.

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So all of that and more in the next half-hour.

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First, our guide to the latest from Europe in just 60 seconds.

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A deal has finally been struck between member states

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in the European Commission to fund humanitarian aid for refugees

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The UK will be the second-biggest contributor.

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The European Union and USA have agreed new rules to

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allow companies like Google or Facebook to process personal data

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In Rome, officials met to review the fight against so-called

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Islamic State amid warnings the group were threatening Libya.

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But IS have lost a significant amount of territory recently.

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But more recently, more ups than downs.

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German border police should shoot at refugees entering

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the country illegally, according to the far-right AFD party.

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But the remarks were roundly condemned.

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And the European Parliament will allow diesel cars to emit double

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the legal emission limit of nitrogen oxide until 2020.

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Extra leeway is being given because emissions were four times

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With this us for next 30 minutes, I am joined by Labour MEP Richard

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Let's talk first about the ?7 billion worth of aid

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that has been pledged to help Syrian refugees in the Middle East region.

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2.3 billion of it coming from the European Union, a big chunk

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Richard, hundreds of millions have already been spent on refugees

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in the region, and the flow of migrants is still increasing.

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Why would more money make any difference?

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It would make more difference if you were a Syrian refugee sitting

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in a camp and your food rations are $19 a day.

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I was at the camps in Lebanon, $19 a month, not enough for a loaf

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I understand the humanitarian reasons, but these are vast sums

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of money of which Britain is a big part, but it is being sold to us as

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money well spent not just because it helps people to survive, but that it

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There is no evidence that is the case.

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I partly accept that, but it is a pretty dirty deal if the only reason

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Britain or Europe would give money to Turkey and Lebanon and Jordan to

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help refugees is only to stop refugees coming here, and what we

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have to do first and foremost is yes, manage the refugee crisis,

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I am involved in a lot of activity at the European level.

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As the deal was being done in London less than half a mile

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from here, Russian aircraft and Assad ground troops were pummelling

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Everybody needs to take a compassionate approach to this,

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but if we look at what was said by the National Audit Office,

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so much of the aid has not been reaching where it should be going.

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If you look, the Department for International

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Development have huge concerns over whether the aid is actually reaching

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We will keep an eye on it, because the situation as you say is terrible

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Just to say, we have been working painstakingly

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to get Iran and Saudi Arabia to the table, the talks did nothing and the

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alternative is to do nothing, but after five years of war in Syria,

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Earlier this week, the draft on the EU reforms was published.

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David Cameron says there will be plenty of negotiations to follow

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But just to get this far has been a hard trek for the Prime Minister.

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Setting off on his Europe reform journey before

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the election, David Cameron said he wanted to ban EU migrants from

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That has proved to be a steep challenge.

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The draft suggests only graduated access to benefits

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from initial complete exclusion, then increases over the four-year

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Then child benefits linked to the standard of living

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in the country where the child lives,

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The UK can also apply for an emergency brake on welfare,

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but it is not completely clear how that brake is pulled,

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who does the pulling, and for how long it will last?

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The Prime Minister has also set a milestone of protection

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for economies which have not adopted the euro.

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And unless the draft does deliver, prohibiting discrimination

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Another aim of David Cameron's expedition was to get Britain out

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of ever closer union with the European Union.

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And the draft recognises that the UK is not committed to further

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political integration into the European Union.

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The Prime Minister also called for sovereignty of national parliaments

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to be bolstered, but this looks like it is set to be an uphill slog

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for the PM, with confusion over what his red card realistically means in

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terms of giving national parliaments greater powers to club together

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It is also unclear what powers MEPs might have to reject

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Limit child benefits, and a ban on so-called sham

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marriages, all of which could leave the British Prime Minister with more

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We're joined now from Brussels by the Conservative MEP Kay Swinburne.

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Are you broadly happy with what the Prime Minster has achieved?

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I think the Prime Minister set out his clear agenda and has obviously

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been in and got support from all of the other member states so far.

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It has the final leg to go in the last stages of negotiations.

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Yes, I'm happy he set his priorities, he has got what he

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has aimed for in all four areas, and I'm hoping he can deliver

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in that final set of negotiations in the middle of this month.

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In what way has UK sovereignty been enhanced by this settlement?

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There are several things within that, and it is very important that

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we were excluded from the ever closer union, especially

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as those eurozone countries decide to get closer in terms of

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For us, it was important we were differentiated outside of that

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But we are outside of it - that is really just reinforcing

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There are some big issues here in terms of what they will need to

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do going forwards, and to make sure we are well outside

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For us, it is also important that we have this new red card system, that

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we have a system whereby if there is a piece of legislation that actually

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does not suit us for whatever reason and it is impacting on our economy,

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we would be able to, with others, say that it is not acceptable.

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That does not enhance British sovereignty, that involves getting

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together 15 other parliaments within a 12-week period.

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It would involve some of these other parliaments rebelling and voting

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against the stated position of their elected governments.

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That is a mechanism, nothing to do with British sovereignty.

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In terms of member states actually having more say over the

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legislation, a key part of that part of the document is that actually

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member states will have more of their regulation done at national

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That is something that not just the UK is calling for

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In terms of sovereignty, what can be done at national level will be

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That is an important part of that section that has been overlooked.

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I want to bring in our guests in London.

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Could this settlement run into trouble in the European Parliament?

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We have three shepherds of the parliament representatives

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There is a strong will there to help Britain stay in the European Union.

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This is a message that the British electorate should hear, that our

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fellow countries, despite all of their frustrations and irritations,

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they don't want Britain to leave, and I have sat in internal meetings

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listening Francois Hollande, a big critic of David Cameron,

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and he has said he could be part of the compromise.

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Will the European Parliament be a thorn in the British side

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Quite frankly, the three representatives of the European

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Parliament are MEPs from the three groups, not representatives

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from my group or Kay's group or two other groups, but they have a very

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different approach to the direction the European Union should be going.

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If elements of this deal come before the European Parliament,

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I see Britain's future outside the European Union.

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This is much further than hashing a debate on what is conceivable or

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What this is about is what is not in this re-negotiation.

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The fact that the supremacy of the British Parliament, the supremacy

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of the European courts, I can go on and on in so many different areas.

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He has not achieved anything, not just what he has wished,

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but what David Cameron put to the British people

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It shows how little power we have in the European Union.

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Coming back to Kay Swinburne, if this was watered down further in the

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process before we get to the summit, if some of it is taken back a bit,

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given so many of your colleagues in London and the European Parliament

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think it is a pretty watered-down document anyway, it couldn't survive

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I have to restate there is a large number of us who fully support

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the Prime Minister's negotiations as they currently stand, and think

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But what if it's watered down further?

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In terms of watering it down, this is a negotiation.

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These are things on the table at the moment.

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I'm asking you what would happen if it is watered down further, though?

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I have full faith the Prime Minister will get his negotiation at the

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level he is anticipating, and that we will be able to therefore support

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For me, it is very much a case of we have goodwill, and we will be

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Now, is the dream of a borderless Europe about to end?

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The arrival of over a million migrants over the last

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year has prompted many EU countries formally in the borderless Schengen

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We have visited the famous Denmark-Sweden border, where

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crossing the Oresund Bridge between the two countries, you may have seen

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the TV detective series based on it, has been made a lot more difficult.

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Security checks at the last station in Denmark before crossing into

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Sweden over the Oresund Bridge. This new border control is disrupting the

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journeys of thousands of commuters who used to travel freely to in the

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two countries. Some of the passengers have said this is a new

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Iron Curtain. We have had no border, and suddenly we get a

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boarder at this station. People are really shocked and disappointed

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because they think they have not expected they have to show a

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passport to go home from work. Good morning. The border checks have been

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introduced as a result of a new Swedish law to deal with the

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unprecedented flow of migrants travelling through Denmark and into

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Sweden. Thank you. Have a nice day. Just this week, Sweden's migration

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minister travel to Copenhagen to meet his Danish counterpart and

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justified the new controls. In four months, September-December, there

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arrived 114,000 people to Sweden. In the whole year, 2015, there arrived

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163,000 people to Sweden. That is 1.6% of our population. It is his if

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in the UK would have come 1 million people in

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one year. There's no doubt the new law has

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slowed down the daily commute. But is it also the end

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of the line for this corner The Oresund Bridge is

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so much more than just It's a symbol

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of open borders that has powered Now there are fears that

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vision is fading away. I'm optimistic that we will find

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a better way to manage the ID control because we can't live with

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a Checkpoint Charlie in Copenhagen Airport between Denmark

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and Sweden, so we have to find a way of making it more manageable

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for the commuters. So I've arrived in Sweden and here

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are the police again, something you So we've stopped just before Malmo

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and ID is checked again. Sweden is facing

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a new political challenge as attitudes harden in the wake

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of the migrant crisis, something that worries the political editor

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of the regional paper in Malmo. We've gone from being extremely

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liberal and a very unusual approach for Europe to approaching almost

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a Hungarian style policy. It was a panic reaction

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and it was assumed that nothing we have previously believed will work

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for this particular situation, and to me that is a lack of faith

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in your own policies that make me It's not just in Sweden where

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the political weather is changing. Back in Copenhagen, the Danish

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parliament recently passed a law giving authorities the power to

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seize the assets of asylum seekers. A move that's been

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widely criticised. It's quite reasonable that

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if you have to pay for your stay in Denmark and your family's stay

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in Denmark, then you should pay, why should Danish taxpayers pay

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for your stay in Denmark? My family, the Danish People's

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Party, think that this piece of legislation is a step in the right

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direction and we will continue to work for even more tighter rules on

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refugee issues and migration rules, because we believe the number coming

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to Denmark, for instance from the The refugee crisis is challenging

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the whole idea of European integration and will continue to

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haunt its institutions Jo Co on the bride,

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she'll be in Borgen next. Schengen's on life support,

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isn't it? It is de facto,

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it's just not operating now. There's going to be a big Nordic

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noir vote in the EU referendum, and Jo is obviously a fan

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of the programme. But yes, there are intense

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pressures at the moment and there One, it really makes

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the point that Britain has opted out of Schengen, of borderless travel,

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we've opted out of immigration When Eurosceptics want to sort

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of make the debate in Britain about how we've got open borders,

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look, it's just not true. Were we right not to go

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into Schengen? I would like us to manage

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our migration in Europe better, I would like us for example to be

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part of the EU relocation scheme. I asked whether it was

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a sensible decision, because many people think it would not to have

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participated in Schengen. We're an island nation

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and we have different opportunities to defend our borders,

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and what's wrong with that? The second question,

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is Schengen in trouble? Of course it is, of course it is,

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because we've seen unprecedented numbers crossing our borders

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and this year by the way we will see people coming

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from Afghanistan, and that's going So we do have to do find common

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ways of dealing with it. The idea that one country

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on its own can solve these big Britain outside the European Union

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can decide properly what our borders should be without this

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The issue is the free movement of people.

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Schengen that we don't have this problem.

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What is happening on the bridge where Jo was reporting from, we

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already have, that is our situation, that's the situation whether its

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already have, that is our situation, that's the situation whether it's

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But we have the free movement of the workforce.

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With the changes coming in with regards to the living wage,

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The average living wage will be ?9 70.

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Someone working a 40-hour week will be earning ?14,000 a year in the UK.

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If you work on local figures in Rumania, they would be on

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If you work on local figures in Romania, they would be on

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We've got a situation where it will remain

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It's not just about controlling your border,

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it's about having the ability to decide who comes to live in the UK.

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Wasn't the weakness of Schengen that it was always going to be as strong

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And since the borders of southern Italy and Greece have proved to be

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very weak indeed, it was inevitable that Schengen couldn't survive.

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And after the Paris attacks, reports in the Wall Street Journal

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this morning that the leader of the Islamic State attack on Paris

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says he slipped in among EU refugees from Syria.

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That's the end of Schengen as long as that's pertaining.

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But I met the counterterrorism police in my own constituency

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in the east of England and yes, they are shocked on the external border

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that there wasn't the basic check of the passport against the terrorist

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database that would be natural on the British border.

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Then I went back to the European Parliament to press

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But for everyone watching, of course we need robust,

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But to people who want to go on holiday to Spain or send their kids

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on a school exchange to Germany, or somebody whose husband or wife gets

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a job in Italy, do they want to have to go down to an embassy in

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London, line up, get a visa, possibly be refused?

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Your party wants us to go back to

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You have international agreements, that is ridiculous.

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What this is about, this is about a situation...

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You want free movement still, do you?

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I want a British government that can decide policy without

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What bit of "I have to stop you" did you not get?

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Of all countries in the European Union, the Belgians are perhaps

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Belgium is home to many EU institutions of course

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But as Adam Fleming discovered, the country itself is really two

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The author Brigitte Raskin lives on the fault line that runs through

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On this side we are in a Flemish town.

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It is called one thing on one side and another on the other.

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Here we are in the Flemish community, that is the French

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This is the Flemish region, and this is Wallonia.

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The Flanders side of the street is also richer, better

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educated and has lower unemployment than the well only in sight.

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educated and has lower unemployment than the Wallonian side.

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She has written a book about the dispute which has

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complicated historical origins but very modern consequences.

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One day there was a man who had an accident on a bike.

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the other man was on the Wallonian side.

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And did I mention in the east there is a community that speaks German.

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It means an alphabet soup of multiple levels of government,

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which I discovered at the Royal Palace.

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The king was hosting a New Year's reception for all of them.

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Well, if you're into Belgian politics, as

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On the section line, the Prime Minister, who runs

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the federal government, which looks after the big stuff, along with

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the minister president of Flanders, his equivalent from Wallonia and

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separate leaders representing the French, Dutch and German

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language communities, which all have their own parliaments too.

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The boss of Brussels capital region was there as well,

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but I'm not sure how many of the city's 19 mayors could make it.

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Even the local journalists need a list.

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Some Dutch, some French,

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Critics say that the spate of terrorist attacks allegedly planned

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in Belgium recently is a result of a weak central government.

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Others like Mark from the New Flemish Alliance thinks

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Do you think in ten years Belgium will exist as a country?

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I am a strong believer of the fact that powers will shift.

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More and more powers will go to the regional level

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and other powers, where there is an added value to work together,

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But this larger scale will not be manageable because it's too small.

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At least you can guarantee some national unity this summer.

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Soon it is Euro 2016 and Belgium's football team is the best

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Do you get a sense of evaporation when you're in Brussels?

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Brussels is a third part, it is a capital city not like London

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which relies entirely on public funds, because of

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Whether it is Belgium, the Basque country or Ireland,

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Europe has being a unifying force that has enabled past division to

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