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including future trade deals, the state this EU nationals in the UK,

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and the future of the EU. He's joined the Conservative MEP, Amjad

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Bashir and the Labour MP Richard Corbyn.

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Hello, welcome to Politics Europe, your regular guide to the top

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On today's programme, the EU's trade Commissioner has

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a surprise U-turn on a trade deal with Canada.

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What does this mean in future trade deals, like that with Britain?

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The status of EU nationals and UK nationals in Europe is set to play

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With Britain heading to the exit door, will the EU respond

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by pulling closer together, or handing power back

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Goodbye to all this, what will MEPs miss about their monthly jaunts

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to the European Parliament in

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All that to come, and more next half-hour.

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This week members of the European Parliament

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at the meeting in Strasbourg for their regular session.

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Our guide in the latest in Europe, in just 60 seconds.

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The Dutch presidency of the EU came to an end,

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The EU must regain confidence and fight growing populism

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and nationalism in Europe said the Slovak Prime Minister.

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The European Commission performing U-turn on the trading with Canada,

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giving in to pressure from France and Germany,

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agreeing that national parliaments should ratify the deal.

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There's been a bigger rise in the number of migrants

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MEPs agreeing to set up a border and coastguard force.

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MEPs had sharp exchanges about the result of Britain's referendum.

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EU president Jean-Claude Juncker mocked Boris Johnson

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Patriots don't resign when things get difficult, they stay.

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As for the outgoing Ukip leader who he says

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he will stay on as an MEP until Britain leaves.

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Conservative, Amjad Bashir, and Labour's Richard Corbett.

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More now on that EU trade deal with Canada.

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It has been concluded, but not yet ratified,

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could have implications for other trade deals on the way.

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It must be a worry, if this deal has to go

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through all the parliaments, the hurdles are very high.

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This is part of a trend, not a one-off decision.

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Trade deals, if they are purely trade, they are EU

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competence, the EU Parliament and Council of ministers fining them.

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Increasingly trade goes into more things, common regulations,

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You need every member country to ratify, with 28 member states,

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The Canadian deal will have some trouble.

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If the North Atlantic Free Trade deal with America as to be done,

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If the North Atlantic Free Trade deal with America has to be done,

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according to opinion polls, that will not get through

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This demonstrates how difficult it is to do trade deals with the EU.

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We will be able to conduct our own trade deals much faster and quicker.

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If the EU cannot do trade deals with Canada, who can it?

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What about our own trade deal with the EU?

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If we are left outside the European single market,

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every single British good with a tariff barrier,

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passporting for the financial service sector would be gone.

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That will become more difficult to obtain, leaving

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the European Union, and negotiating that afterwards,

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On the implications of what is going to happen with Canada,

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is it now possible, when we eventually come to agree

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the terms of Brexit, will that have to be agreed by 27

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Our people, the British people have spoken loudly.

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We have to start negotiating what the people want.

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The new Prime Minister, she will invoke Article 50.

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Doesn't the Lisbon Treaty specify the ratification process?

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Could it be down to the national parliaments?

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If the new Prime Minister manages to get trade incorporated

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in the divorce settlement, that needs a qualified

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If trade is left as a separate item, to be negotiated separately.

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The likelihood is it could be classified as a mix

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That means every national parliament.

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Sticking with the version of the ball game.

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One question arising from the deabate between

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the next Prime Minister, what happens to EU nationals

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Front runner for the Tory leadership,

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Theresa May said she can only guarantee the status,

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as long as British nationals living in EU countries have their status

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According to the Office for National Statistics,

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there are 2.9 million people from the EU residing here,

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Does not include those coming on shorter stays.

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Not all those are working, including families.

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Polish nationals represent the largest group.

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853,000, followed by Ireland and Romania.

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According to information collected by the United Nations.

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1.2 million UK citizens living in the rest of the European Union.

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Lower than figures putting it at two million.

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Figures ratified and supported by the House of Commons library.

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The 27 countries, Spain has the most, 310,000 migrants

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Are you surprised that Theresa May has made a status

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I was on the Leave side of the debate.

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I was asked questions during the run-up to the referendum,

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I said in future we need to control immigration,

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those people already here should be allowed to stay.

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We have to take into account the 1.2 million of our own citizens

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It would be a dereliction of duty to ignore that.

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Either the 2.9 million EU nationals in this country are going to be

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guaranteed their status, continued status for the foreseeable future,

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or they are a bargaining chip in the negotiations

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we have to take the whole thing together.

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Our citizens have to have the right to remain.

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Elderly people retiring at a vulnerable stage of their life.

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They need assurance they can remain there.

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EU nationals sound like a bargaining chip.

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It would appear so from what was said.

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Even more complicated than that, not just about residency rights.

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EU law guarantees rights not to be discriminated

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against on the grounds of nationality.

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A Brit living in Spain, dying, what happens

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Some EU countries prescribe that, you cannot do

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Do you believe that we should guarantee the existing status of EU

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Yes there are people working there, families, part of the

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To imply it should be a bargaining chip, I don't see any

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other EU country trying to do something to us.

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Isn't it right, when we are talking about EU citizens being allowed

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to stay there, which I agree they should, isn't it right we take

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You are implying other countries would challenge those rights.

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If we were doing the right thing by EU citizens, they

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they will do the right thing by British citizens.

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By putting it into the negotiations, you are saying, why

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What is the likelihood, only 1.2 million spread over 27

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countries, concentrated in Spain, France and Ireland.

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That is not going to happen, they will continue

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Would it not be a good position for Britain to take a higher moral

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position, regardless what you do with our 1.2 million,

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we don't believe you will do much, 3 million in Britain are safe.

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Even if it was ten, our duty to look after those ten,

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there are 300,000 Spain, going to retire.

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We have to negotiate and they can remain.

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They said you cannot negotiate unless you invoke article 50.

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If you make this thing a bargaining chip,

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they are in danger, if you do not, they are not in danger.

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It is about looking after the rights of our people on the continent.

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You have moved from guaranteeing nations they, too guaranteeing

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they should be a bargaining chip after the campaign.

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The situation, we have right to guarantee the rights of our

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To do that you have to make the 3 million people living

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We want to guarantee rights for our people on the continent,

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That is not what Nigel Farage said, leading the campaign

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or Leave campaigners, Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Grayling.

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Nigel Farage was not part of the Leave campaign this I don't

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The result of referendum has raised questions about the EU itself.

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Now that Britain is going to leave, has Brexit damaged European project,

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changed it, hauled it below the water line?

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Will it be the trigger the EU needs to bring about closer union.

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Big moments in EU history, commemorated at the European

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This session, they have gone for a referendum theme.

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Have a look, Big Ben, Brexit stamp, picture of

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The talk in this place is what will Europe look like post-Brexit?

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What direction do you want Europe to in now we have left?

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The Dutch Prime Minister said the way forward was not big reforms,

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just a more effective EU, which is how the right

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We are strongly against treaty change, we need concrete answers

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Stop the illegal migration flow, which we saw last month.

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Find possibilities to find jobs for the young people,

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If we deliver on these things, people are happy with Europe.

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Socialist group not just handing out goody bags,

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they are reviving plans by Martin Schultz,

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the European Parliament president and his fellow left-wingers.

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I heard from the quotes of those voting for Brexit,

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I can elect a government, I can change a government

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Why not do the same in Brussels, to elect a government,

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which would be the commission, and have the power to have a nation

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In the chamber, we saw even more extreme views.

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And those really aren't. Europe needs to be reimagined. A new

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approach, new vision should be give in to European citizens,

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European citizens are not against Europe, they are against this

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Europe. TRANSLATION: People want their sovereignty back, to cooperate

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freely in the Europe of sovereign states. Your choice is simple, you

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change radically or you die. TRANSLATION: Talk of whether the

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commission macro Jean-Claude Juncker should be the seat. If Mr Cameron

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resigns, I think Jean-Claude Juncker should resign also. You think he

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should go, why? Because his impudence was one of the reasons the

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UK leaves. Enter the Slovak Prime Minister, will chair a summit in

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breathless laver where this will come to a head. I have heard so me

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different plans for the future of the EU, there are one, three, some

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people want business in usual. At the summit ( laver, how would you

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choose which plan to use? TRANSLATION: More than 60% of our

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citizens support the EU, we would lose that if we are too confident.

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We active their expectations in mind. The whole house is not in

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order, we have to address that. To cheer everyone up, a Northern Irish

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MEP invited this band from Belfast to Strasberg. There are enormous

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questions about who will call the tune of the EU charts its future

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without the UK. Adam was one of the Fiddlers! We

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have naturally concentrated on the divisions except has raised in the

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country. It has created divisions on Europe. On two levels. Europe and

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the EU was divided on what its negotiation position should be

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towards us, and also divided on where Europe should go, between

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those for further integration, and those for greater nation state

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Corporation. Both divisions mirror each other. The French, the

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Italians, the commission, more integration, the Eastern European

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's, the council, on less integration, let's see if we can do

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a deal with Britain. Do you broadly by that? To a degree. Remember the

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bottom line, on integration or less integration. The basic rule book of

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the EU is a set of treaties, which can only be changed to give more

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powers, if every single country agrees. It can only move at the

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speed of the least enthusiastic. On how to deal with Britain, I detect a

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shift of need. Initial reaction was, OK, you decide to go, let's sort it

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out quickly. Now there is a realisation they can only be

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triggered by Britain giving the notification under Article 15, and

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Britain needs time to work out what it wants, what alternative are we

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negotiating for. We have no clarity, the League side gave a very

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different vision, inside the single market, one outside, facing a tariff

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barrier. So far unsuitable, but we have to choose one, and people might

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say, that is not what I was told, and reopen the question. DEC quite a

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debate for the future of the European Union. No appetite for

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treaty trade. The East Europeans want to use Brexit, the group led by

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polling, using it as a way to build up the position of the nation state.

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They want to get rid of Jean-Claude Juncker is the president of the

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commission. Angela Merkel made it clear he will not be doing the

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negotiations with Britain, that will be a job for the Council and her.

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Changes afoot. Yes, I don't buy the line that the member states never

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controlled the European Union. Every fundamental decision needs every

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national government to agree. Even when you need a qualified majority,

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pretty hefty majority. The idea things can be decided with member

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states being blissfully unaware. That was not my point. It was the

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shifting balance of power taking place. Divisions between Paris and

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Berlin. The irony is, Europe could now start moving in more of a

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direction you wanted it to move in the first place, and we will not be

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there. Europe is in a pickle. A good British expression. The people of

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Europe want something similar to bus stop bring democracy closer to the

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nation, make decisions for themselves. Jean-Claude Juncker and

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the like once a federal state with more power concentrated in the

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centre. That is why Europe is about to implode. We shall see whether it

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does or not. Our guests of the day, like Britain's 73 MEPs are something

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of an endangered species. They will be there for a while. They have a

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right to keep their seats until the process of leaving the EU is

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complete. When they finally signed off from their duties, what will

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they missed. Here is our Adam again. The grand old cathedral proves the

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first point, Strasbourg is very easy on the eye. Also an impressive show

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every night during the summer. When I went last night, a breakdown after

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30 seconds. The city is awash with bakeries, cosy bars, and Michelin

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starred restaurants like this one where you can get the feel with

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mushrooms for just 49 euros. MEPs do not spend a lot of time in the

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centre of town, they are in the European quarter. Here, like a theme

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park for Euro geeks. The Court of Human Rights, the Council of Europe,

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over their, the efficiency of the European Parliament. In here, you

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will find the political stage on an epic scale. Parliament's the

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debating chamber. Around 12 and a half times bigger than the House of

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Commons chamber in Westminster. While you are speaking, your

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beautifully honed words will be translated into 23 languages

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simultaneously. Quite a convivial place, dotted with bars and

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restaurants like this one. Very international. Great if you want to

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discuss olive farming in Greece from a feminist perspective. All the

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fiendishly complicated voting system that no one quite understands. One

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thing no MEP will miss if the travel. Getting here is difficult. I

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had to get the train to Paris, walk across the city to get another

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train. Even harder if you are going to Scotland, Wales and Northern

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Ireland. Goodbye, Strasbourg. The big question, what happened to

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Adam after we leave the EU you? What is the role of the European

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Parliament in the Article 50 process of ageing. It would have to improve

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any agreement reached between Britain and the EU. The plan will be

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until British MEPs staying until the vote. They are members until Britain

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is a member up to and including that vote. I assume you'll want to stay.

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To make sure, if you can, there is a majority to ratify whatever the

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British government agrees? I would leave tomorrow, if it was possible.

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You are absolutely right, the negotiations have to take place, you

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had to ratify them, I will remain until that is done. Are they

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treating you like second-class citizens? That is not the case,

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there was a bit of apprehension. Some say if you are on your way out,

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not so much your concern but we are voting on, only coming into force in

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three years' time. As long as we make contributions when we need to

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be on the committees, we need to cheer things. It is an ex-MEP

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employable? If we are outside the European Union, we will still want

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to influence it. Maybe Amjad Bashir could get a job as a lobbyist? Back

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in Yorkshire. You want to be back in Yorkshire. You have plenty of time

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to get your CV ready? Tips from Andrea Leadsom? Certainly not. I

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will carry on working in Yorkshire for the party. Trying to get

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membership from the blue-collar workers of Yorkshire, and the

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communities. At least two years ago, at least. Depends how long Britain

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takes to work out what it was to secure and trigger article 50. That

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is what we will be covering. That is it for now, thanks to all my guests.

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Hope to see you soon. Goodbye from Politics Europe.

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Good afternoon, pretty mixed fortunes across the British Isles.

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Sunshine lifting temperatures to 24 degrees in places. Other places have

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seen some quite heavy rain. Weather watchers capturing the contrast.

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Sunshine in

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