13/07/2016 Politics Scotland

Good afternoon and welcome to a special edition

David Cameron has taken on Prime Minister's Questions

Soon he will be heading to Buckingham Palace

to tender his resignation to the Queen.

Theresa May will become Prime Minister this evening,

What kind of Prime Minister will she be?

Well, another day of high drama in the soap opera which passes

The Conservative party has, for now anyway, put the knives away

and is about to welcome Theresa May as Britain's second

David Cameron joked his way through his last Prime Minister's

questions earlier and, in a couple of hours,

he'll be heading off to hand in his resignation to the Queen.

The knives are still in full view on the Labour benches,

though they're aimed at their own leader rather

While Theresa May settles in at No10, Jeremy Corbyn

will face a gruelling and divisive leadership contest.

We're joined now by our Westminster correspondent David Porter.

In sunshine which is a good sign. Talk through what will happen this

afternoon. Welcome to a busy and noisy College Green this afternoon.

This is the day the handover happens. It is outwith the old and

in with the new. It is worth remembering that David

Cameron is actually still the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He

is in Downing Street with his family at the moment. Within the next

couple of hours he will go to Buckingham Palace to me to the Queen

where he will formally tendered his resignation. After that Theresa May

will go to Buckingham Palace and she will be offered the job of Prime

Minister. Obviously, she will accept. Their prime ministerial car

will then arrive in Downing Street and she will say a few words before

she gets ahead with the job of forming her Cabinet.

Key roles she wants to get sorted out tonight are the job of

Chancellor, Foreign Secretary and the job she is doing at the moment,

and will only do for a couple more hours, the job of Home Secretary.

Perhaps crucial to all of this, and the reason we are where we are at

the moment she will have 2.8 Cabinet Minister for Brexit to help with the

negotiations of taking the EU out of the UPN union. It is worth

remembering that less than three weeks on, it is less than three

weeks since that EU referendum, which, quite frankly, has changed

everything in British politics. What about David Cameron? Obviously,

MP were lining up earlier to say that everything good that ever

happened in Britain was down to him and being terribly polite. But his

legacy is ambiguous, isn't it? It is in the short-term, today it

was not so much Prime Minister's Questions as Prime Minister stand

up. He made lots of jokes and lots of people were happy to act as his

file. He was quite enjoying it. He was demob happy. Certainly, in the

short term, his legacy is going to be a Prime Minister who held a

referendum on Britain's's place within the EU, and from his point of

view, lost. His legacy, at least in the short-term, will be the Prime

Minister who helped insure Britain left the EU. He was the Prime

Minister who will bet the farm on black and it came in red. Maybe

history will be a little kinder to him as the Prime Minister who came

in in 2010 as part of a Coalition Government and made a lots of hard

economic reforms after recession. He was the Prime Minister in 2014,

who managed to win a Scottish independence referendum and keep

Scotland within the union. Because of that referendum and everything

that has unleashed, we may well find there is a second Scottish

independence referendum in years to come, and at the moment, I don't

independence referendum in years to think anyone would predict what the

result of that would be. It has been a Julie momentous three

weeks in British politics. And, certainly, those who are writing his

political obituary would be starting off with that phrase, the Prime

Minister who gambled and two last Briton's place in the EU. We will be

back with you later. But first, there were rowdy and witty exchanges

between David Cameron and the lead in of labour, Jeremy Corbyn as he

addressed the leadership battle in both parties and the economy. Mr

Speaker, I have been listening carefully to what the Home Secretary

has been saying over the last few days.

She said it is harder than ever for young people to buy their first

house. So does the Prime Minister think this is because of record low

house-building or the apparent belief that ?450,000 is an

affordable starter home? belief that ?450,000 is an

First of all, let me say at the dispatch box, how warmly

congratulate the Home Secretary... And when it comes to women Prime

Minister is, I am very pleased to say that pretty soon it is going to

be to nil. And not a pink bus insight! On the issue of, on the

issue of housing and homelessness, as I have said, 700,000 homes have

been delivered. He asked about the issue of affordability which is

absolutely key. When I became premise, because of what had

happened to the mortgage market a first-time buyer needed as much as

?30,000 to put a deposit down. Because of a combination of help to

buy and shared ownership some people are able to get on the housing

ladder with a deposit of as little as ?2000 and a low rate. We are

making good progress. -- low mortgage rate. The Home Secretary

said, talking of the economy, she said so that it really does work for

everyone, because it is apparent to anyone in touch with the real world

that people do not feel our economy works that way. Isn't she writes,

that too many people, into many places in Britain feel that the

economy has been destroyed in the towns they are in because industries

have gone, there are levels of high unemployment and a deep sense of

malaise. Don't we all need to address that question?

If we are going to talk about the economic record lets get the facts

straight. We cut the deficit by two thirds. 2.5 million more people in

our country are in work. 2.9 million apprentices, apprenticeships have

been trained under this government and when it comes to poverty,

300,000 fewer people in relative poverty, 100,000 fewer children out

of poverty, and to be accused of sloth in delivery by the Right

honorable gentleman, let's just take the both week we've had been these

leadership elections. We've had competition, Coronation and they

haven't even decided what the rules are yet! If they ever got into power

it would take a year to wake out who would sit where! Democracy is an

excited and splendid thing and they are enjoying every moment of it! But

I've got a question from me now, no, hang on... It is a question from

somebody who deserves an answer. She says I would like to know if there

is any possibility that a European Union citizen who has lived in

Britain for 30 years can have their rights of permanent residents

revoked or deported depending on the Brexit negotiations? There has been

no clear answer to this question. It is one that worries a very large

number of people, and it would be good if in his last question Time

the Prime Minister could at least offer some assurance of those

people. Let me reassure Nina Amir is no

chance of that happening to someone in those circumstances. We are

working hard to give a guaranteed to EU citizens that they will have

their rights respected, or those who have come to this country. The only

circumstance I could ever envisage a future government trying to undo

that guarantee would be if Britain future government trying to undo

is thousands in other European countries did not have that right.

It is important to have reciprocity. We are working to give that

guarantee as fast as we can. And glad he mentions e-mail, I've got an

e-mail as well. JEERING I got this on 16th of September 2015 and she

said please, please keep dignity during triumphalism with Jeremy

Corbyn. She gave this reason, she said, because Tom Watson who may

oust Jeremy Corbyn is a different kettle of fish. He is experienced,

organise and more dangerous in the long term. She goes on to say that

that Mr Corbyn create his own party long term. She goes on to say that

disunity. After this is over, I'm going to find Judith and find out

what happens next! of asking the Prime Minister 179

questions. And, thank you, there are plenty more to come to his

successor, don't worry about that! But before I ask him the last

question, could I just put it on record, and wish him well, as he

question, could I just put it on leaves this office and wished his

family well, Samantha and the children, because I think we should

all recognise that while many Reds really do enjoy our jobs and

political life, it is the loved ones near to us and our families that

enormous sacrifices so we might be able to do this. I would also like

him to pass on my thanks to her mum for her advice about ties and songs.

It is extremely kind of her. I would be grateful if he would pass that on

to her personally! I am reflecting on the left and she offered. Angus

Robertson. Thank you, I join the prime Minster and the leader of the

Labour Party in paying tribute to all the winners at Wimbledon. This

week we mark the 21st anniversary of the genocide in Bosnia. It is one of

the few political causes that the primaries and I both will heartily

support. I hope he will be impressing on his successor the

importance of supporting the remembrance 's of that area.

Notwithstanding our differences, I generally extend my best personal

wishes to the Prime Minister and his family. I wish them all the best.

However,... Don't spoil it. The Prime Minister's

legacy will a ledger to be that he took us to the brink of being taken

out of the European Union so we will not be applauding his premiership on

that. What advice has he given his successor on taking Scotland out of

the EU against the wishes of the Scottish voters?

First of all, let me join the right honourable gentleman in pain

triggered to all those who lost their lives in the genocide and

making sure we commemorate properly. There will be a service in the

Foreign Office where testimony will be read out. We should think of it

alongside the terrible events of modern history such as the Holocaust

and think of it in that way. It also reminds us, as we debate in this

house, there is a prize went to mention but there is also a price

for nonintervention and we should remember that. In terms of what he

said about Scotland, the UK and Europe, my advice to my successor

who is a brilliant negotiator is that we should try to be as close to

the European Union as we can be for the benefits of trade, cooperation

and Security. The channel will not get any wider once we leave the

European Union and that is the relationship we should seek. It

would be good for the UK and good Scotland.

I will miss the roar of the cloud and the barbs from the opposition

but I will be willing you want. I don't just mean winning on the new

Prime Minister at this dispatch box or willing on the front bench,

defending the manifesto I had to put together. I mean winning all of you

want. People come here with huge passion for the issues they care

about. They come here with love for the constituencies they represent,

and willing on this place, because, yes, we can't be pretty tough and

challenge leaders, but, perhaps more than other countries, and that is

something we should be proud of and keypad. I hope you all keep at it

and I will be Iwan as you do. The last thing I will say is that you

can achieve a lot of things in politics, you can get a lot of

things done. And that is what it is all about. Nothing is really

impossible if you put your mind to it, after all, as they once said. I

was the future once. I am joined this afternoon by Robbie

Dinwoodie and the political editor of the career, Kieran Andrews. David

Cameron, he was either genuinely enjoying the upper doing a very good

impersonation of genuinely enjoying it. He did not quite go away humming

a tune to himself, but I think he did enjoy it. Having recognised --

reconciled to the shock of three weeks ago, he was tearful at his

resignation, almost broke and he looked at that point, but he seems

to have come to terms with that and I think today he enjoyed that last

set piece. The history books might not be so kind. He will go down as

the man who lost Britain's place in the EU. He didn't expect that but he

will probably have imagined that had he not put the commitment to a

referendum in the last Tory referendum, manifesto, the party

would have split anyway. Who knows how it would have gone otherwise.

Will history see him as that this was inevitable or is he a blunder? I

think he will be seen as a club on Europe. Europe will define David

Cameron. Look at Tony Blair, a Prime Minister who did many things in

office and called Tony Blair will be remembered for by most people is the

Iraq war. David Cameron, you get one thing to define you as a Prime

Minister, that is how the history books work, and for David Cameron it

will be Europe and taking the United Kingdom out of the European Union.

If there is an award for priceless expression of the year, we did

nominate Tom Watson. His face when Jeremy what -- Jeremy Corbyn said he

would be there to answer many more questions was priceless! The e-mail

dug up from a couple of years ago by the Prime Minister played to that.

Who knows what Tom Watson is going to be thinking about in the next

year or two? Labour has got itself into a position where Jeremy Corbyn

is inevitably going to win this next leadership election. I can't see any

way round that. It goes to the membership... We are in this

extraordinary position where it is the conservatives who are in crisis,

the government lost the referendum, but here we are, they are about to

form a new Cabinet, George Osborne will be in it, probably some of the

leading Brexiteers will be in it. They will all be united. Labour,

there is a sack, let's crawl inside it and fight as long as we can. The

Conservative Party has a thirst for winning. That is why it has managed

to manage a leadership election. Despite Andrea Leadsom drop a note,

Michael Gove taking night Boris Johnson in the way that they did.

There were fights for a couple of days but they know to be successful

they have to drive on, to unify. There will be mutterings, people who

aren't happy, but they know that is what they need to do to be

successful. The Tory party, they have stabbed the Brexit leaders in

the back, they have then stabbed each other in the back, fratricide,

regicide, the works. Labour are having an argument about whether it

Jeremy Corbyn should be on the ballot paper. There is a dreadful

mismatch between many of the parliamentarians and the party in

the country. The differences the governments and the parliamentarians

of the Conservatives have found a way through that. Whether Andrea

Leadsom was leaned on or for whatever reason, they find a

mechanism to get to this coronation. They have got away with it. As we

have seen, the NDC of labour have decided that Jeremy Corbyn does not

require Parliamentary support and therefore it will go to the

membership and we know how the membership will vote. It is not just

about the process of Labour as much as the NEC. They can't even decide

who they want to stand against Jeremy Corbyn. They have a couple of

who they want to stand against unity candidates! That is why this

idea of today that they should perhaps be a run-off of some kind. I

bet you wish you were a solicitor specialising in Labour Party

bet you wish you were a solicitor affairs! We will be back with you

later. Let's go to Westminster word David Porter has been joined by the

later. Let's go to Westminster word Scottish Secretary, David Mundell.

Welcome back to a sunny and lively College Green. With me is the

Scottish Secretary, David Mundell. A bittersweet occasion today a prime

ministers questions. A Prime Minister who was obviously demob

happy and the House of Commons that was thinking, Julie, he was not so

bad after role. I remember when Tony Blair left. In many ways it is quite

similar. The Prime Minister is relaxed, able to say the things he

wanted to say, David Cameron made some good points about the positive

things from his record. People were impressed by his ongoing commitment

to public service, to the House of Commons where he is going to join

the backbenchers. People recognise when somebody has given six years of

their lives to be Prime Minister, whether they agree with the

decisions that have been taken or the where they have conduct to the

office of Prime Minister, they realise what an enormous act of

public service that was. Members across the house I think they

genuinely want to recognise that and allow him to say what he wanted

about his family, about some of the things that happened over the course

of his premiership. Politics moves on. In a couple of hours we will

have a new Prime Minister, Theresa May. What advice would you give her

about how she deals with Scotland? One of the things I am pleased about

and why I backtrack from the start is that she is committed to the

United Kingdom, committed to Scotland remaining within the United

Kingdom. She will treat Scotland, the Scottish people and government

with respect us by minister. Obviously, very early after becoming

Prime Minister she is going to engage with Nicola Sturgeon and I

hope they will have an ongoing engagement, particularly around the

discussions with the European Union. We want a place the Scottish

Government at the heart of those negotiations and I think that

Theresa May and first days in office will want a mixture of that the

processes are going to be set in place to make sure that happens. The

fact that Scotland voted to stay within the European Union that it

could be some flexibility that Scotland would get something

different in negotiations than other parts of the UK? I am open to

anything that can be brought forward that is in the best interest of

Scotland that is not the to the detriment of the UK as a whole.

There are specific solutions for Scottish concerns then of course we

should look at that and tried to take that forward. I had not been

anyway tried to stop or interfere with any of the initiatives that the

First Minister is pursuing. As she brings back something that is

workable of course we will look at that and work with the Scottish

Government in that regard. What we all want to see is the best possible

outcome from these negotiations for Scotland and the whole of the United

outcome from these negotiations for Kingdom. You are saying to me that

there is not a one size fits all for the whole of the UK as regards

Brexit negotiations. There is some flexibility, say, about fishing,

that Scotland could get a different deal? I think there will be

flexibility. Everybody recognises that the European Union is a

political organisation and if it wants to deliver flexibility is it

can. That doesn't mean to say that it will. The nature of these

negotiations will be very difficult. It will not be a case of us just

rocking up and saying this is what we want and are being handed over on

a plate. I think there will be some difficult negotiations. We will look

to get the best possible deal for Scotland and the United Kingdom as a

whole. I don't think in any way that is inconsistent. Obviously, what is

not acceptable to me is the suggestion that Scotland should

become independent or have another independence referendum is the only

way to deal with these issues. Quite clearly it is not. We want to see a

good settlement to the UK and to Scotland. Could that involve

Scottish ministers for -- formally being part of the negotiations? I

don't see why Scottish ministers could not be part of the

negotiations. Theresa May will put in place the process that she wants

to see. That means effectively there will be an ministry for Brexit that

will be the focal point of the negotiations and discussions.

Clearly, the Cabinet minister responsible the will want also

engage with the First Minister and the Scottish Government. We want the

Scottish Government to play as full a part in the negotiations as

possible. Theresa May is still Home Secretary for about another hour and

a half. She understands security things on a UK wide basis. Will she

go above vertical learning curve about Scotland specifically? I don't

think she will have to go on a learning curve in Scotland in

relation to Scotland's place in the United Kingdom, Scotland's

parliament and the Smith Commission. She is conversant with all of that,

all of the devolution issues, the constitutional issues. Obviously,

there will be specific to come up in Scotland that you might not be

familiar with. We are keen to get a resolution to the issue in relation

to third type 26 ships being built on the River Clyde. That is an issue

that she will have to be briefed on. I am confident that cheer somebody

who can take a brief and someone who will make sure that Scotland's

corner is well and truly served as Prime Minister. That sounds as

though you're fairly confident that you know pretty soon there will be a

decision on that that perhaps Scotland will say, yes, we can go

with that. I hope we will get a decision on a whole range of issues

that will be in accordance with what we want to achieve from Scotland. In

relation to Scotland, hasn't much of politics, there is more that unites

us than divides us. Everybody in Scotland wants to see a resolution

to the ship with an issue. I think it is possible to achieve that.

There are a range of other issues in which Theresa May will have to come

up to speed, but I think she is somebody that has shown to be very

adept at taking on a detailed brief and somebody in whom I have full

confidence that she understands the constitutional issues, somebody

right behind the implementation of this myth commission powers and

seeing the Scottish parliament become a powerhouse within Scotland.

How important will the personal bee in negotiations that she has with

Nicola Sturgeon? Without wishing to register the personalities, David

Cameron, English, an older domains, register the personalities, David

Theresa May, if you like a daughter of an English manse. Talking to

another female, top politician in Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon.

Obviously, the chemistry will be different. Yes, it will be

different. They are both very professional. I have lots of

disagreements with Nicola Sturgeon on lots of issues but I always find

her to be highly professional in her dealings and with her dealings with

the UK Government. She knows the issues which are politics, the big

issues that we need to work together on for the benefit of the people of

Scotland. I think they will be able to have a very professional

relationship, whether they will be stepping down and having a lengthy

cup of tea and a chat I don't know, but I know they will be able to do

business on a very professional level for the benefit of the UK and

for Scotland. Similarly, that first meeting will take able to do

business in a very professional level for the benefit of the UK and

for Scotland. , but I know they will be able to do business in a very

professional level for the benefit of the UK and for Scotland. I think

it will obviously be a priority of Theresa May to engage with the First

Minister and the other devolved administrations because she

understands the importance of devolution within the United

Kingdom. David Mundell, thank you far joining us this afternoon, and

for putting up with the noises behind us.

I wasn't sure what to make of that. What are you make of this idea of

the Scottish Government being formally involved? There was a

couple of interesting things. One was, about the Scottish Government

actually being part of the negotiating team. That is the most

important part of this. Brexit is happening. That is going forward.

There needs to be proper involvement from the devolved administrations.

They need to be in the team so they can come back and see what is right

for Scotland in this case. The fact that UK Government are opening the

door there a significant move. What I thought he was quite cute with was

talking about if Nicola Sturgeon comes back from her negotiations in

Brussels with various EU Commissioners and leaders, if she

comes back with a workable solution then they will take that on board

and you never know what could happen. I think David Mundell knows

that it's pretty unlikely to happen. It is a nice easy way out for him to

be able to say the right things and appear that he is listening while

being reasonably confident that he will never have to do anything about

it. One of the issues that will come

out, is, of course, immigration. I was struck by what David Cameron

said earlier when he seemed to be suggestion that Theresa May's

government would be working towards giving a guaranteed to all EU

citizens resident in the UK, that they will not be deported. That

isn't exactly what Theresa May, she was nodding furiously behind him,

but that isn't exactly what she said, is it? When you say working

towards giving a guarantee that isn't giving a guarantee.

There is a lot of wriggle room there. They know this is an area in

which they are vulnerable. The PR of seeing the first people who made

their lives in the UK, have lived share for ten, 20, 30 years, been

deported would be catastrophic. With that done what would happen to all

the Brits who are expats in Spain? David Cameron mentioned that as

well. The problem is they have tended to sound as if they are using

the fate of British expats as a bargaining chip. That is why they

won't give a guarantee for those European citizens living and working

here. Until they are sure, I don't think they'll move much further

forward. I agree with Kieran. They were two or three points made by

David Mundell win it sounded like cosmetic concessions. They were more

apparent than real, it would seem to me.

What did you make of this immigration thing. Even Nigel Farage

criticised Theresa May's position on this. She said, hang on a minute,

she wasn't just speaking as any old person, she is the Home Secretary

and she couldn't come up with guarantees because it might

encourage a rush of immigration which, before the Brexit came into

place. What do you make of what David Cameron said, he seemed keen

to give a guarantee as soon as possible.

He did, but he didn't provide a guarantee. He slightly bizarre line

that the Government has taken on this, where you using people's lives

as bargaining chips. I don't buy the rush of immigration arguments at

all. People will move in and out of the UK for whatever reason, better

public not from France or Germany, or even, you know, as the Nigel

Farage mention Eastern Europe, just to bed down so that whenever the new

immigration laws come in they don't get thrown out. It just seems

callous, David Cameron is normally quite good with his PR. It has

honestly not jumped off on Theresa May quite yet because it just looks

really bad when we know ultimately...

It looked very humane and David Cameron said and not at all humane

when reasonably said the same thing, is that what you're saying? -- when

Theresa May said the same thing? Today he tried to be a bit softer on

it, but we know that they are not, Today he tried to be a bit softer on

European countries are not going to throw all the British expats out and

say, leave your pools in Spain and go back to Barnsley. That means that

by the very logic David Cameron is using they will be no H on as far as

they see, the UK to ask European citizens to leave. So why bother

leaving the door open? You also have to remember that

Theresa May has been quite a liberal Home Secretary on a number of

issues, but not on immigration. She was very hard line. What you

make Scottish involvement? One argument isn't that it is

potentially a trap for them because they get involved in the Brexit

negotiations and then the British government says don't start

"Independence, you were involved, you helped us.

There is also a question of being a member of a team being vaguely

involved in the room next year. In seats on the back but not around the

table. It sounds a bit cosmetic at the moment, we'd need to see what

the detail was. But it could drizzly be a trap.

Our Westminster correspondence is in Downing Street, Nick, what is the

latest from their? In about an hour's time we expect

David Cameron to come out of that door behind me for the last time as

Prime Minister. You'll take the short drive up Whitehall to

Buckingham Palace where he'll have a fairly short, I think, audience with

the Queen and formally resign as Prime Minister. Then it happens

pretty quickly. Theresa May will then go into Buckingham Palace and

have her own audience with the Queen where she will be asked if she can

form a government and invited to do so. She'll come back here around

6pm, we think, she'll make some comments and tell us what her plans

for government are and then the real work begins.

So she is Prime Minister from the moment the Queen says she is, is

that how it works? From the moment she is in Buckingham

Palace, invited to form do by the Queen, she will take that role. She

will then come back here and put her cabinet together. Much speculation

this afternoon about who will be in that. She's got a number of thing

she needs to balance, who will be at her top table? A couple of things to

bear in mind in the other door, who will be Chancellor? Will be in

number 11 Downing St? George Osborne was vilified by the leave campaign

during the EU referendum, can he hold on to that

position or will Theresa May think she needs to bring somebody new into

the fold? I expect that is one of the first appointments we will get,

partly because we're into modules times and she'll want to keep the

market steady. She won't want too much? Two is in charge of the

economy. The other question is how many Brexiteers she gives jobs too.

She wants to heal divides the Conservative Party and that issue of

Europe which has brought down her three predecessors as Conservative

prime ministers, what job will Michael Gove get? Will he stay in

Justice? Will Boris Johnson get a big job? Chris Grayling has been at

her white hand side for much of the last week, as has Liam Fox the

former Defence Secretary. I think he is likely to be in that cabinet as

well. Another issue to watch out for is gender balance, Theresa May is

somebody has been keen and passionate in the Conservative Party

to get more women into senior positions. I think she'll want to do

that in her Cabinet as well, quite who she brings in and to what jobs

we will be watching for the next 24 hours. We go back to College Green

now to David Porter, David, we are going to have a new cabinet, to what

extent, this is all very peculiar, as they really been a purge on the

Conservative Party? If George Osborne, who until two minutes ago

was being vilified as an architect of the disaster that became Brexit

for the mainstream of the Conservative leadership, but he gets

to be Foreign Secretary was the page does not go much beyond David does

this? What we are all coming to grips with

at the moment is the pace of events. Theresa May and her team thought

they would have nine weeks of an election campaign in which they

thought and hoped she would then win. We now have a situation where

she would have had plenty of time to think about the cabinet she wanted,

instead that has been telescoped down to essentially 48 hours. She

knows to reassure the markets and to reassure her own party that she is

going to have to move very quickly with those key positions. The job of

Chancellor, Foreign Secretary and Home Secretary. Your specific

question about George Osborne is quite interesting, isn't it? Do they

do a job swap between him and be present Foreign Secretary, Philip

Hammond, whereby they swapped roles, or is she going to be more radical

than that, is she going to say, right, this is a clean sheet of

paper. I have a mandate from the MPs in the Conservative Party, this is

the way I want to do it. I have played second fiddle for some of

these people for the last few years, now they will dance to my tune. Are

we getting any greater clarity on what Theresa May and her nude

ministration think Brexit actually means?. Local new administration it

could mean anything from completely out of the U EU to a system where we

are a bit like Norway and we have free movement of labour? She said

Brexit is Brexit, but in that context it doesn't get as much

further forward, does it? Know, and if you speak to people everyone has

a slightly different view of what Brexit means. I would be

extraordinary surprise if she is going to give us a definition of

what she thinks Brexit is within the next few weeks. It is an evolving

situation, and, you know, the gauche Asians are going to have to get

underway. -- the negotiations are going to have to get underway.

Article 50 being triggered blood is a whole new light on things. It is a

work in progress. It is not where they want to be, but they are where

they are and they know they have to make it work. To some extent, they

will be making it up as they go along. At this stage I don't suppose

that matters. The crucial thing is along. At this stage I don't suppose

when they get a deal with the European Union and can work out if

that is a deal Britain can live with.

We will watch closely as to who is this new Minister for Brexit.

That will be vitally important. It will be a cabinet roles or they will

be a separate department for Brexit. It will be very interesting to see

who she puts in that position, is she going to put a remain in there,

no, you would think not so it would probably have to be someone from the

Brexit side. One name being mentioned is the Leader of the House

of Commons, Chris Grayling, he have to run the election campaign and has

been very close to her over a number of years. He, philosophically,

believes we should be out of the European Union, so it is a job which

we see quite a natural fit. Liam Fox has also been mentioned. Then you

have to decide what you do with the likes of Michael Gove and Boris

Johnson. It is going to be with a fascinating game of political chess

over the next few hours and days as to where she puts all these people.

Does she want her enemies close to her order she want to promote punish

them to the backbenches. Actually, when Theresa May outlined

her prospectus the other day, it was rather interesting, wasn't it? It

wasn't at all what people were expecting to hear.

It's been said by many observers to draw a lot on post-war Germany, in

terms of making a whole approach to industry and management relations

much more constructive and that too was said more recently to be

something Ed Miliband was keen on. She suddenly drawing on that one

nation Tory is. The question is what has she been doing in the Cabinet

for the last six years? That hasn't been the Government we've had. Is

she going to make a clean break, a she generally looking to create a

more social, one nation, caring form of Conservative government, order is

this simply what was meant to be the opening shot of a nine week

campaign, by the end of which she would have moved on? That has become

the defining speech, because it has become the only speech as soon as

Angela led some step down. We were talking about worker representation,

was that not a paragraph about being dependence, the SNP produced a

paragraph about the independence referendum. That was the last time I

saw it mentioned. It was an interesting take on

things. Sheer good political opponents who are very much seen of

the left of where to reason many years. She is the person who

famously warned against the Tories being seen as the nasty party. It is

not entirely out of step with the rhetoric she uses. It's not...

Sure, but what surprised me was she could have said something liberal

about social policy. It just seems an odd thing for a Conservative

Prime Minister, the day after tomorrow, to alight upon, was let's

change the way in which she sounded like Will Hutton, let's change the

way which British capitalism is managed. Let's change the way

companies are organised so they benefit ordinary people and not just

shareholders. And talking openly about closing the

gap between top executive pay and shop floor pay.

And doing it by legislation. That is why I'm puzzled. Where would

she have gone next in the nine week campaign? That was the theme for day

one. That makes it important, but what would have come next? That has

ends up defining here and I wonder if she's actually a little bit

uncomfortable about that now. If she strays too far away from the

Conservative manifesto for last year's General Election, then she is

no longer standing on the platform with which the party was elected.

She's desperate to avoid another General Election, but she's got, the

only thing she has in her corner for that is I was part of that

manifesto. If she makes a big change...

David Porter is back on College Green with a group of

parliamentarians. Welcome back to College Green where

I am joined by four parliamentarians who knows Scotland very well.

Nicholas Stephen, Ian Murray, Alberto Costa... In political terms

we have outwith the old, in the two new I different ball Theresa May be

from David Cameron? I would like to first be paid tribute to David

Cameron. I thought today as he ended his premiership he ended his

premiership issued the House of Commons what a balanced and quality

leader of this country he has been. I welcome the appointment of Theresa

May as our new premier. She is a different person to David Cameron.

An individual he is very serious. She is the type of person that we

needed this time. She is calm and will get on with the job of

fulfilling the witches of the British electorate following the

referendum. I am confident that Theresa May will not just unify my

party but more importantly unify the United Kingdom, talk to Nicola

together to make sure the Briton's together to make sure the Briton's

-- Briton's needs are met. Nicola Sturgeon, thank you for joining us.

What type of Prime Minister do you want Theresa May to be as far as

Scotland is concerned? Construct and respectful. I respect the mandate

that she has. She said earlier in the week that Brexit means Brexit.

England and Wales that is true. I respect that. I hope that she

respects the mandate that our electorate give us to remain in the

EU. I want to protect Scotland's interest and protector plays in the

European Union. We have David Mundell on and he has floated the

idea that in some negotiations the Scottish Government would be a

formal part of the Brexit negotiations on things like

agriculture and fisheries. Is that something you find interesting?

Let's wait to see how these discussions unfold. I want us to be

centrally involved. I want to stress that I don't want Scotland to

Brexit, to leave the European Union because that is not what Scotland

voted for. My priority is to find ways of detecting the place of

Scotland in Europe. The UK discussions do not just have

Scotland involved than that, but have to have us involved in a way

that allows us to get all of the options on the table. That is what I

will be seeking to achieve in a way that allows us to get all of the

options on the table. That is what I will be seeking to achieve and I

hope the new Prime Minister is open to that. If the UK Government was

want to come in to say that there is more flexibility, is that something

you would be interested in? For what purpose? In involving us in

accepting that we would be leaving the European Union I would be

betraying the vote of the Scottish people. My mandate is to seek to

find ways of protecting the position of Scotland within the EU. That is

not just the mandate from the referendum, also the man I got from

the Scottish Parliament the week after the referendum. I priority is

the Scottish Parliament the week to protect the interests of Scotland

in Europe and our place in the European Union. My message to the

Prime Minister a new government is that these negotiations must respect

the differing views of Scotland and other parts of the UK. I'd met with

the Chief Minister of Gibraltar earlier and he has the same view as

me that there must be scope and flexibility in these discussions to

allow different opinions to be discussed. How well do you know

Theresa May? From what used to have seemed even good to have you can't

do business? I approach any thing like this in a constructive way. I

don't pretend to know Theresa May like this in a constructive way. I

particularly well and they hope that will change in the weeks and months

to come. We have deep political differences but we also have the

duty each of us to work in the interests of the people that we

serve. That demands from both of us respect for each other's positions

and a willingness to work together where we can. Nicola Sturgeon, thank

you for joining us. Let me carry on with the panel discussion. Ian

Murray, you have just heard the First Minister speaking. It sounds

as though she wants a grown-up relationship with the new Prime

Minister. There has to be. One thing David Cameron was not able to do

that Theresa May is to have a stronger working relationship with

the Scottish Government and vice versa. This is a real opportunity to

wipe the slate clean. Devolution can only work with two leaders working

closely together. I have laid a motion in the House of Commons this

afternoon to say that not only does Theresa May have to have the Brexit

negotiations and Scotland's position with the EU, but there is a mandate

to keep Scotland protected within the UK. Theresa May has to look at

those two mandates, meaning Scotland must stay in the UK and Scotland's

position within the EU must be respected, so the Scottish

Government must be within those to go see nations. How important is it

that the two women now basically in charge of British politics, Nicola

Sturgeon and Theresa May, that they do get on? That they can have a good

working relationship? It is extremely important. I know that

David Cameron early in his new premiership came to Scotland and

there will be a lot of interest in Theresa May going to Brussels

engaging with Germany and France. The Angela Merkel relationship will

be highlighted by the media, but I think the Nicola Sturgeon

relationship will be important. Theresa May should visit Edinburgh

and the Scottish Parliament as soon as possible, over the next few days,

I would argue. For want of a better phrase, as good political PR, how

important is it that Theresa May says, OK, I will go to Edinburgh and

talk to you, lets see what we can agree on? Well Scotland remains

within the United Kingdom it is important that there is a good

working relationship between the Prime Minister and First Minister.

Ian neglected to mention that there has been a significant change in

attitude after Brexit from a number of people who were strong

anti-independence supporters, if you like, people against supporting

independence. Look at Angus, 55% like, people against supporting

voted to remain, 45% voted this day. I was in the Remain camp. A lot of

SNP voters voted to leave the EU. Yes, absolutely. We have to look

into the reason for that without question. And number of Tory voters

came out and said to me, I am getting e-mails all the time, saying

they are very upset about it and pulled out against the world. We

have to recognise that Scotland made it clear they wanted to stay in the

European Union. Let's talk about Ian Murray. I am glad... We are going to

be a very uncertain time. Nobody knows what Brexit looks like.

Article 50 is not on the cards yet. Let's get away from talking about

independence, talking about adding more uncertainty to the Scottish

economy and get down to the day-to-day work of working together

to see how we can protect the Scottish position in the EU and in

the UK. Everybody talks about mandates that those of the two

mandates that the people have given to the leaders. We have alluded to

yet, but it is a point worth making that not everyone in Scotland voted

to remain in the European Union. Almost a third which actually said

we wanted to get out of the European Union. That is exactly right.

Scotland is not quite as separate, quite as different on all of this as

Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP would like to suggest. There are many

people, colleagues of mine throughout the United Kingdom, some

of them based here in the south-east of England who feel as upset as many

people in Scotland do about the Brexit vote. Indeed, David Cameron

is clearly a casualty of all of this. For all of the excellent

performance he had today as Prime Minister, he will go down in history

as the man who made the strategic mistake which led to the demise of

his premiership. There are big issues are floaty and at a time when

many people in Scotland, many people in the UK are very anxious about the

future, anxious about jobs and the economy, Ian is right, people have

to work together to make the best of a very unexpected and potentially

very bad job. Whilst we are all talking about the Brexit

negotiations, we can forget about the people who did the two Leave. It

is up to us to listen to the third of Scots who wanted to Leave and

address those issues. It is not just about the constitutional issues,

there are incredibly important things we have to deal with.

Tomorrow, the standing Council of economic advisers regarding the

European Union is sitting for the first time. There we have a group,

action taken by the First Minister, in an temp two explore all of the

options available but with the main aim of keeping Scotland and Europe.

It was a clear mandate from the Scottish people. People in the

independence referendum are keen to talk about mandates there. I had a

one-to-one with Theresa May a few days ago and we discussed Scotland

and she is willing and ready to discuss the future of the United

Kingdom and Scotland's place within that with Nicola Sturgeon. I am sure

that Labour and the Liberal Democrats parties enjoy the

Conservatives with this, is that the SNP Playfair and realise there is a

large chunk of people who voted to Leave. We need to unify Scotland as

well as the whole of the United Kingdom. As David Cameron said

today, we will have a new relationship with the EU and let's

hope it is a good, quality, strong relationship with the EU well

respecting Brexit. It is worth thinking that we have seen the party

of one Prime Minister today, and we will get a new Prime Minister later

today, was it right that your party sat on its hands at the end of PMQ

is, no applause? It did seem a little bit strange and out of the

mood of the rest of the Commons? Angus, our leader, stood and

commended the Prime Minister on his work, they worked together on shred

granita and he wished him and his family well, but people need to

appreciate the depth of feeling there is about David Cameron and his

government and the effect of the posterity policies in particular on

poor and vulnerable people that we represent. People come to us talking

about the difficulties they have had as a result of those policies so it

would be hard for us and inappropriate for us to applaud a

Prime Minister with that track record. What you feel about your

side applauding at Conservative Prime Minister? Nicola Sturgeon said

last week that she wished him well and all of his family well. It is

common courtesy for any politician of whatever colour to give him the

recognition he deserves. I fundamentally disagree with him on

policy and his ideology, but he served this country for six years.

It is a tremendously difficult job. He went into public service for what

he believes are the right reasons. I think it was right today that the

House of Commons gave him that's applause. I think it was an

unfortunate response from the SNP and it struck a sour note. Didn't

have to be that way. This was everyone giving thanks for the

public service the minister had given. We see deep divisions in the

United States but at the state of the nation speech everybody applauds

the president and could've been the same today and it would've been so

the president and could've been the much better had it been. Thank you

very much and for your forbearance of the noises off. We have had

protest is, sirens, helicopters, we have not had been yet. It is just

another quiet weddings the at Westminster.

And you forgot the music, I thought you had a backing band!

Maybe if you give us a request, they can do at June for you.

Thanks for that! One thing that comes out of that is

when David Mundell was talking about perhaps the Scottish Government

would be formally involved in the Brexit negotiations he and Ian

Murray mean one thing about that then Nicola Sturgeon mean something

completely different. Absolutely. Nicola Sturgeon is right to be a bit

wary, is ripe to dip in the toe but I'd happily signing up to something

that could reflect badly on her, on the SNP. The SNP are good at playing

this game. We saw with this Smith Commission, they signed the report

they stood on the stage and said we completely reject this. It would not

be the first time they have managed to get away with signing up to

something whilst saving political face and criticising it at the same

time. If they turn down the chance of any involvement they would be

criticised for that. What I think was clear is that when we talked

earlier on about the potential for this offer being trapped, I think we

can see clearly that the First Minister recognised it as such. If

she is going to have any involvement, it is not going to be

on the basis of helping to negotiate Brexit, it will be about how

Scotland can avoid that. I want to end just by quickly asking you both,

Theresa May could be Prime Minister until 2020 before she faces the

electorate. Is that sustainable? Yes, it is, because if she sticks to

the manifesto and get to have dined there is not a massive appetite to

go back to the polls. I agree, there is voting fatigue. We have the fixed

term Parliament act in place so I don't see why not. Thank you both

very much indeed. That is all from us this afternoon. Our BBC News

special continues now as we wait for David Cameron to make that trip to

Buckingham Palace to tender his resignation and four Theresa May to

arrive at Downing Street is new Prime Minister. Let's hang back to

Westminster and June Edwards. a lot about that, about making the

economy work for everybody - for those who

that, about making the economy work for everybody. For those who don't

have as much as others. How far she can go down