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Go it was the key litmus test for Go it was the key litmus test for

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Go it was the key litmus test for the Chancellor. It to have been

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the Chancellor. It to have been the Chancellor. It to have been

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seen to have felt that objective, seen to have felt that objective,

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seen to have felt that objective, seen to have felt that objective,

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it is embarrassing. A it has to be it is embarrassing. A it has to be

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it is embarrassing. A it has to be it is embarrassing. A it has to be

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said that the public no longer has said that the public no longer has

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said that the public no longer has confidence in the government. It

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confidence in the government. It confidence in the government. It

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confidence in the government. It has to that extent, we should not

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has to that extent, we should not has to that extent, we should not

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exaggerate the extent which would exaggerate the extent which would

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exaggerate the extent which would it back mean those opinion polls

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it back mean those opinion polls it back mean those opinion polls

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it back mean those opinion polls would be moved. A kink how far can

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would be moved. A kink how far can would be moved. A kink how far can

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the Labour Party succeed in using the Labour Party succeed in using

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the Labour Party succeed in using this development. They need to

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this development. They need to this development. They need to

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persuade the public that the persuade the public that the

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persuade the public that the persuade the public that the

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government does not know what it is government does not know what it is

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government does not know what it is government does not know what it is

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doing. It at love kink -- it is doing. It at love kink -- it is

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doing. It at love kink -- it is doing. It at love kink -- it is

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something they need to a cat. something they need to a cat.

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something they need to a cat. Labour's fault or hook, can make

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Labour's fault or hook, can make Labour's fault or hook, can make

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invents the government took her -- invents the government took her --

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invents the government took her -- can they convince the government.

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can they convince the government. can they convince the government.

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There were the government is still There were the government is still

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There were the government is still saying sq that these cuts are

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saying sq that these cuts are saying sq that these cuts are

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Labour's fault. The Labour Party Labour's fault. The Labour Party

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Labour's fault. The Labour Party says they do have an alternative.

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says they do have an alternative. says they do have an alternative.

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There was an announcement that they There was an announcement that they

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There was an announcement that they There was an announcement that they

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would return the 10p rate of income would return the 10p rate of income

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would return the 10p rate of income tax, that was symbolic. Behind that

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tax, that was symbolic. Behind that tax, that was symbolic. Behind that

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announcement, there was the idea announcement, there was the idea

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announcement, there was the idea announcement, there was the idea

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that if they can put more money in that if they can put more money in

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people's with relative incomes people's with relative incomes

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people's with relative incomes people's with relative incomes

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pockets, that would be a way of pockets, that would be a way of

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pockets, that would be a way of generating growth. I think they

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generating growth. I think they generating growth. I think they

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need to turn this alternative need to turn this alternative

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need to turn this alternative strategy to something that the

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strategy to something that the general public can understand.

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general public can understand. Thank you for that.

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Thank you for that. Thank you for that.

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Thank you for that. Let's take up this issue, and a few

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Let's take up this issue, and a few Let's take up this issue, and a few

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Let's take up this issue, and a few others, a trio of the SNP's at

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The priority now is that we keep The priority now is that we keep

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The priority now is that we keep The priority now is that we keep

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our credit rating as high as it our credit rating as high as it

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our credit rating as high as it possibly can be. We're still doing

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possibly can be. We're still doing possibly can be. We're still doing

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the right things and following the the right things and following the

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the right things and following the right policies and for the long-

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right policies and for the long- right policies and for the long-

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right policies and for the long- term good of this country we need

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term good of this country we need term good of this country we need

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term good of this country we need to keep that up. To keep their

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to keep that up. To keep their to keep that up. To keep their

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to keep that up. To keep their rating we have of the minutes, that

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rating we have of the minutes, that means redoubling their efforts.

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means redoubling their efforts. means redoubling their efforts.

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Does that mean redoubling the cuts? Does that mean redoubling the cuts?

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Does that mean redoubling the cuts? Does that mean redoubling the cuts?

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In means balancing the books in the In means balancing the books in the

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In means balancing the books in the In means balancing the books in the

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long term. We are making the right long term. We are making the right

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long term. We are making the right changes. We're trying to change the

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changes. We're trying to change the changes. We're trying to change the

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balance between public and private balance between public and private

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balance between public and private sector and we're trying to increase

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sector and we're trying to increase sector and we're trying to increase

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sector and we're trying to increase the tax take over time. That will

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the tax take over time. That will the tax take over time. That will

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the tax take over time. That will be hard. We're going about it the

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be hard. We're going about it the be hard. We're going about it the

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right way and there is no right way and there is no

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alternative. Jack you delete, alternative. Jack you delete,

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alternative. Jack you delete, talking about balancing the books.

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talking about balancing the books. talking about balancing the books.

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talking about balancing the books. It is a tricky situation because it

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It is a tricky situation because it It is a tricky situation because it

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It is a tricky situation because it is Labour who got us into this mess

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is Labour who got us into this mess is Labour who got us into this mess

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is Labour who got us into this mess in the first place. A triple A

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in the first place. A triple A in the first place. A triple A

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rating was lost under George rating was lost under George

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rating was lost under George rating was lost under George

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Osborne. This is a hammer blow to Osborne. This is a hammer blow to

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the Conservatives and their the Conservatives and their

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coalition partners. Our government coalition partners. Our government

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coalition partners. Our government at Westminster has the priorities

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at Westminster has the priorities at Westminster has the priorities

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at Westminster has the priorities all wrong. They are cutting too far,

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all wrong. They are cutting too far, all wrong. They are cutting too far,

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too fast. We're sandwiched between too fast. We're sandwiched between

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another government in Scotland's another government in Scotland's

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another government in Scotland's another government in Scotland's

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where the SNP haven't even use the where the SNP haven't even use the

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where the SNP haven't even use the capital at their disposal to

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capital at their disposal to capital at their disposal to

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stimulate the economy. There is no stimulate the economy. There is no

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stimulate the economy. There is no action on jobs on Capitol building

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action on jobs on Capitol building action on jobs on Capitol building

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to house building budget has been to house building budget has been

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to house building budget has been slashed to. Let's stick with the

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slashed to. Let's stick with the slashed to. Let's stick with the

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Chancellor at the moment. If the Chancellor at the moment. If the

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Chancellor at the moment. If the Chancellor had followed any other

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Chancellor had followed any other Chancellor had followed any other

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Chancellor had followed any other course of action he could have lost

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course of action he could have lost course of action he could have lost

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a triple A rating earlier than a triple A rating earlier than

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Friday night. The coalition Friday night. The coalition

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Friday night. The coalition policies aren't working. They put

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policies aren't working. They put policies aren't working. They put

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such great store in keeping their such great store in keeping their

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such great store in keeping their triple-A credit vetting any didn't

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triple-A credit vetting any didn't triple-A credit vetting any didn't

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do that. People are my constituency do that. People are my constituency

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do that. People are my constituency want to know about their security,

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want to know about their security, want to know about their security,

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want to know about their security, both in terms of jobs and to the

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both in terms of jobs and to the both in terms of jobs and to the

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economy. People want to know what economy. People want to know what

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economy. People want to know what economy. People want to know what

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is going on. With the yes campaign, is going on. With the yes campaign,

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is going on. With the yes campaign, supporters when this came out, do

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supporters when this came out, do supporters when this came out, do

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supporters when this came out, do you think people were in support of

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you think people were in support of Scottish independence or revelling

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Scottish independence or revelling Scottish independence or revelling

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Scottish independence or revelling in the misfortunes of the UK.

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in the misfortunes of the UK. in the misfortunes of the UK.

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revel in, because you very much revel in, because you very much

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revel in, because you very much care about what is happening in

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care about what is happening in care about what is happening in

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care about what is happening in Scotland to people. That is why our

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Scotland to people. That is why our Scotland to people. That is why our

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government in Scotland is taking government in Scotland is taking

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government in Scotland is taking measures. We are building more

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measures. We are building more measures. We are building more

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houses than Labour ever did. Labour houses than Labour ever did. Labour

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houses than Labour ever did. Labour built six council houses in the

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built six council houses in the built six council houses in the

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last year of government. You have last year of government. You have

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last year of government. You have Labour and Conservatives banging on

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Labour and Conservatives banging on Labour and Conservatives banging on

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Labour and Conservatives banging on about how the house got there needs

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about how the house got there needs about how the house got there needs

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about how the house got there needs to be in the UK because of the

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to be in the UK because of the to be in the UK because of the

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triple A rating. That has been triple A rating. That has been

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triple A rating. That has been triple A rating. That has been

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thrown up in the air. Scotland has thrown up in the air. Scotland has

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thrown up in the air. Scotland has not been well served by Westminster.

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not been well served by Westminster. You're criticising the Chancellor

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You're criticising the Chancellor You're criticising the Chancellor

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You're criticising the Chancellor and the Conservatives, but it was a

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and the Conservatives, but it was a and the Conservatives, but it was a

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key aspect of the better together key aspect of the better together

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key aspect of the better together literature that stay in the decay

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literature that stay in the decay literature that stay in the decay

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and keep his triple-A credit rating. and keep his triple-A credit rating.

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and keep his triple-A credit rating. and keep his triple-A credit rating.

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There is a number of reasons why I There is a number of reasons why I

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There is a number of reasons why I There is a number of reasons why I

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believe we are better to get there believe we are better to get there

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believe we are better to get there in the United Kingdom. Frankly,

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in the United Kingdom. Frankly, in the United Kingdom. Frankly,

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Linda is just wrong. House building Linda is just wrong. House building

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Linda is just wrong. House building Linda is just wrong. House building

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under the SNP has slumped and it is under the SNP has slumped and it is

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under the SNP has slumped and it is probably under an all-time low. We

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probably under an all-time low. We probably under an all-time low. We

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are sandwiched between a government are sandwiched between a government

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are sandwiched between a government that has got its priorities wrong

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that has got its priorities wrong that has got its priorities wrong

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that has got its priorities wrong at the UK level and also at the

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at the UK level and also at the at the UK level and also at the

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Scottish level with the aren't Scottish level with the aren't

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Scottish level with the aren't Scottish level with the aren't

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helping people out in any way. It helping people out in any way. It

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helping people out in any way. It is astonishing for Linda to attempt

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is astonishing for Linda to attempt is astonishing for Linda to attempt

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to gain that somehow Scotland Woods to gain that somehow Scotland Woods

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to gain that somehow Scotland Woods retain its triple A rating when

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retain its triple A rating when retain its triple A rating when

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Dickie people in the banking crisis Dickie people in the banking crisis

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Dickie people in the banking crisis what that Royal Bank of Scotland's.

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what that Royal Bank of Scotland's. what that Royal Bank of Scotland's.

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what that Royal Bank of Scotland's. It is ridiculous. It makes a while

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It is ridiculous. It makes a while It is ridiculous. It makes a while

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to hear the Unionist parties to hear the Unionist parties

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to hear the Unionist parties talking Scotland down all the time.

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talking Scotland down all the time. talking Scotland down all the time.

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talking Scotland down all the time. talking Scotland down all the time.

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And try to do with the fact that it And try to do with the fact that it

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And try to do with the fact that it was mismanagement of labour and the

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was mismanagement of labour and the was mismanagement of labour and the

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Chancellor that are causing this Chancellor that are causing this

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Chancellor that are causing this Chancellor that are causing this

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crisis. Stand up for Scotland for a crisis. Stand up for Scotland for a

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crisis. Stand up for Scotland for a change. Let's talk to another --

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change. Let's talk to another -- change. Let's talk to another --

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let's turn to another issue today, let's turn to another issue today,

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let's turn to another issue today, the so-called bedroom tax. It has

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the so-called bedroom tax. It has the so-called bedroom tax. It has

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attracted a huge amount of attracted a huge amount of

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attracted a huge amount of criticism. It will being penalised

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criticism. It will being penalised criticism. It will being penalised

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for living in social rented for living in social rented

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for living in social rented accommodation for having an extra

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accommodation for having an extra accommodation for having an extra

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bedroom. The opposition say the bedroom. The opposition say the

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bedroom. The opposition say the bedroom. The opposition say the

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disabled or badly hit by this. Any disabled or badly hit by this. Any

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disabled or badly hit by this. Any possibility of a reversal in this

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possibility of a reversal in this possibility of a reversal in this

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policy? No possibility of reversal, policy? No possibility of reversal,

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policy? No possibility of reversal, but policy has been misrepresented.

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but policy has been misrepresented. but policy has been misrepresented.

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Anybody he uses the phrase bedroom Anybody he uses the phrase bedroom

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Anybody he uses the phrase bedroom tax doesn't understand what that

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tax doesn't understand what that tax doesn't understand what that

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under occupancy charges about. It under occupancy charges about. It

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under occupancy charges about. It has to be emphasised that it

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has to be emphasised that it has to be emphasised that it

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doesn't apply to those who have doesn't apply to those who have

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doesn't apply to those who have doesn't apply to those who have

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pension age and those who suffer a pension age and those who suffer a

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pension age and those who suffer a disability, there is an enormous

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disability, there is an enormous disability, there is an enormous

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amount of money allocated to the amount of money allocated to the

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amount of money allocated to the discretionary payments that will be

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discretionary payments that will be discretionary payments that will be

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used to see people with the used to see people with the

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used to see people with the difficult period of transition. I

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difficult period of transition. I difficult period of transition. I

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don't believe it will have the don't believe it will have the

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don't believe it will have the negative impact that some people

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negative impact that some people negative impact that some people

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negative impact that some people say it will. It will deliver more

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say it will. It will deliver more say it will. It will deliver more

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efficient use of the available efficient use of the available

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efficient use of the available housing stock and deliver something

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housing stock and deliver something housing stock and deliver something

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for the thousands of people and for the thousands of people and

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for the thousands of people and Scotland who are still on waiting

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Scotland who are still on waiting Scotland who are still on waiting

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lists. You represent a largely lists. You represent a largely

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lists. You represent a largely rural area. This will hit rural

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rural area. This will hit rural rural area. This will hit rural

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people badly, because there is no people badly, because there is no

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people badly, because there is no people badly, because there is no

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opportunity for people to move to a opportunity for people to move to a

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one-bedroom house locally. one-bedroom house locally.

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constituency has Aberdeen and constituency has Aberdeen and

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constituency has Aberdeen and constituency has Aberdeen and

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Dundee. This is an area where there Dundee. This is an area where there

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Dundee. This is an area where there is a massive shortage of housing

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is a massive shortage of housing is a massive shortage of housing

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is a massive shortage of housing and there needs to be a massive

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and there needs to be a massive reorganisation. Under occupancy is

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reorganisation. Under occupancy is reorganisation. Under occupancy is

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a major part in changing the a major part in changing the

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a major part in changing the attitude toward social housing.

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attitude toward social housing. attitude toward social housing.

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attitude toward social housing. attitude toward social housing.

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is not a natural tax, it is a cut is not a natural tax, it is a cut

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is not a natural tax, it is a cut in benefits. The point is these

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in benefits. The point is these in benefits. The point is these

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people who have an extra bedroom people who have an extra bedroom

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people who have an extra bedroom have that their and their other

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have that their and their other have that their and their other

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have that their and their other people he can't access it to need

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people he can't access it to need people he can't access it to need

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people he can't access it to need it. We don't have the housing stock

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it. We don't have the housing stock it. We don't have the housing stock

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that Alex talks about. There aren't that Alex talks about. There aren't

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that Alex talks about. There aren't the scale of one-bedroom properties

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the scale of one-bedroom properties the scale of one-bedroom properties

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 87 seconds

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Go as far as the bedroom tax is Go as far as the bedroom tax is

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Go as far as the bedroom tax is Go as far as the bedroom tax is

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concerned, and it is a bedroom tax, concerned, and it is a bedroom tax,

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concerned, and it is a bedroom tax, concerned, and it is a bedroom tax,

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it is an appalling way to be it is an appalling way to be

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it is an appalling way to be treating people. It is against the

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treating people. It is against the treating people. It is against the

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treating people. It is against the ethos of everything we stand for in

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ethos of everything we stand for in Scotland. We're talking about

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Scotland. We're talking about hitting people's pockets really

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hitting people's pockets really hitting people's pockets really

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hard here. We're doing everything hard here. We're doing everything

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hard here. We're doing everything hard here. We're doing everything

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we possibly can to help people out, we possibly can to help people out,

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we possibly can to help people out, including putting a lot of money

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including putting a lot of money including putting a lot of money

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into advice services because people into advice services because people

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into advice services because people need advice more than they have

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need advice more than they have need advice more than they have

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need advice more than they have ever needed its -- ever needed it.

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ever needed its -- ever needed it. ever needed its -- ever needed it.

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ever needed its -- ever needed it. A we will have to leave it there.

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A we will have to leave it there. A we will have to leave it there.

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A we will have to leave it there. Thank you all very much for joining

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MSPs will pass new laws this MSPs will pass new laws this

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afternoon which creates the afternoon which creates the

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potential for international potential for international

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commercial opportunities for commercial opportunities for

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Scottish water. The Scottish Scottish water. The Scottish

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Government's so-called hydro-nation Government's so-called hydro-nation

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Government's so-called hydro-nation Government's so-called hydro-nation

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policy is set out in the Water policy is set out in the Water

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policy is set out in the Water Resources Bill. However, it was

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Resources Bill. However, it was Resources Bill. However, it was

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criticised for placing too much criticised for placing too much

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criticised for placing too much emphasis on economic gain over

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emphasis on economic gain over environmental concerns. Ministers

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environmental concerns. Ministers environmental concerns. Ministers

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environmental concerns. Ministers say tha is not the case. The

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say tha is not the case. The Cabinet Secretary for

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Cabinet Secretary for I want to thank them far a lodging

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I want to thank them far a lodging I want to thank them far a lodging

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this amendment, and I want to this amendment, and I want to

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this amendment, and I want to this amendment, and I want to

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confirm that I am happy to accept confirm that I am happy to accept

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confirm that I am happy to accept confirm that I am happy to accept

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it today. Part one of the bill it today. Part one of the bill

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it today. Part one of the bill places a value on Scotland's Water

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places a value on Scotland's Water places a value on Scotland's Water

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places a value on Scotland's Water Resources, we will have to weigh up

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Resources, we will have to weigh up Resources, we will have to weigh up

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all of the different factors all of the different factors

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all of the different factors involved in deciding how best to

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involved in deciding how best to involved in deciding how best to

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proceed. It is suggested that we proceed. It is suggested that we

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proceed. It is suggested that we must the ballot those resources in

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must the ballot those resources in must the ballot those resources in

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ways to promote sustainable use of ways to promote sustainable use of

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ways to promote sustainable use of ways to promote sustainable use of

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them. -- must promote. I agree with them. -- must promote. I agree with

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them. -- must promote. I agree with this, it strengthens this. I

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this, it strengthens this. I this, it strengthens this. I

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believe it strikes the right believe it strikes the right

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believe it strikes the right believe it strikes the right

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emphasis, and I'm sure we can all emphasis, and I'm sure we can all

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emphasis, and I'm sure we can all emphasis, and I'm sure we can all

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agree that we wish to make use of agree that we wish to make use of

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agree that we wish to make use of agree that we wish to make use of

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our resources in a way which makes our resources in a way which makes

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our resources in a way which makes unsustainable. -- makes them a

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unsustainable. -- makes them a unsustainable. -- makes them a

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unsustainable. -- makes them a sustainable. A part one is ready in

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sustainable. A part one is ready in sustainable. A part one is ready in

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sustainable. A part one is ready in May following way, I want to make

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May following way, I want to make May following way, I want to make

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May following way, I want to make sure it is very clear, the value of

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sure it is very clear, the value of sure it is very clear, the value of

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water resources is very broad. It water resources is very broad. It

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water resources is very broad. It water resources is very broad. It

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helps state that the value of water helps state that the value of water

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helps state that the value of water resources means the value on any

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resources means the value on any resources means the value on any

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basis, including monetary and there basis, including monetary and there

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basis, including monetary and there basis, including monetary and there

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are none the -- and the non-mother are none the -- and the non-mother

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are none the -- and the non-mother four-star any use of these

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four-star any use of these four-star any use of these

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resources on such activities also. resources on such activities also.

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resources on such activities also. Very is also a drafting amendments.

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Very is also a drafting amendments. Very is also a drafting amendments.

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Very is also a drafting amendments. There is a great deal of work which

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There is a great deal of work which There is a great deal of work which

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can be discovered in other ways. can be discovered in other ways.

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can be discovered in other ways. can be discovered in other ways.

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Water is a vital part of our Water is a vital part of our

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nation's industrial and domestic nation's industrial and domestic

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nation's industrial and domestic nation's industrial and domestic

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life. We need to develop the full life. We need to develop the full

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life. We need to develop the full potential of our most valuable

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potential of our most valuable potential of our most valuable

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resource. I hope everybody in the resource. I hope everybody in the

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resource. I hope everybody in the chamber would also support the

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chamber would also support the chamber would also support the

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chamber would also support the amendment. A kick thank Mr -- thank

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amendment. A kick thank Mr -- thank amendment. A kick thank Mr -- thank

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amendment. A kick thank Mr -- thank you, Mr presiding officer full. I

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you, Mr presiding officer full. I you, Mr presiding officer full. I

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welcome these amendments, past that welcome these amendments, past that

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welcome these amendments, past that stage two. I welcome the inclusion

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stage two. I welcome the inclusion stage two. I welcome the inclusion

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of this amendment. It further of this amendment. It further

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clarifies the situation and clarifies the situation and

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clarifies the situation and environmental benefits. I am happy

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environmental benefits. I am happy environmental benefits. I am happy

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environmental benefits. I am happy that we will also support that.

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that we will also support that. that we will also support that.

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that we will also support that. I ask you whether you intend to

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I ask you whether you intend to I ask you whether you intend to

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press or withdraw? I AM delighted press or withdraw? I AM delighted

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press or withdraw? I AM delighted press or withdraw? I AM delighted

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in the collective approach. -- I am in the collective approach. -- I am

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in the collective approach. -- I am delighted. It a garage other

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delighted. It a garage other delighted. It a garage other

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stakeholders at stage two. I stakeholders at stage two. I

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stakeholders at stage two. I appreciate the support by Alleyne

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appreciate the support by Alleyne appreciate the support by Alleyne

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appreciate the support by Alleyne Murray, and I am delighted to move

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Murray, and I am delighted to move Murray, and I am delighted to move

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the amendment 25. Are we all the amendment 25. Are we all

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the amendment 25. Are we all the amendment 25. Are we all

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agreed? The panel is agreed, and I agreed? The panel is agreed, and I

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agreed? The panel is agreed, and I agreed? The panel is agreed, and I

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call amendment six in the name of call amendment six in the name of

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call amendment six in the name of the Cabinet Secretary. Can I ask

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the Cabinet Secretary. Can I ask the Cabinet Secretary. Can I ask

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you to move formally? Moved. you to move formally? Moved.

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you to move formally? Moved. you to move formally? Moved.

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A that was the live debate, stage A that was the live debate, stage

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A that was the live debate, stage three of the Water Resources Bill.

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three of the Water Resources Bill. three of the Water Resources Bill.

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Now to Prime Minister's questions, Now to Prime Minister's questions,

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Now to Prime Minister's questions, there were heated exchanges about

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there were heated exchanges about there were heated exchanges about

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the last of the triple-A credit the last of the triple-A credit

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the last of the triple-A credit rating four-star -- of the last.

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rating four-star -- of the last. rating four-star -- of the last.

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The Prime Minister conceded that The Prime Minister conceded that

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The Prime Minister conceded that The Prime Minister conceded that

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they would have to cut the deficit they would have to cut the deficit

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they would have to cut the deficit faster. He said there were

:18:25.:18:26.

faster. He said there were faster. He said there were

:18:26.:18:27.

promising signs in the economy, promising signs in the economy,

:18:27.:18:30.

promising signs in the economy, promising signs in the economy,

:18:30.:18:31.

such as more people in jobs. Three such as more people in jobs. Three

:18:31.:18:33.

such as more people in jobs. Three years ago, the Prime Minister had

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years ago, the Prime Minister had years ago, the Prime Minister had

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that this to say, the first that this to say, the first

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that this to say, the first priority of any government has to

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priority of any government has to priority of any government has to

:18:41.:18:44.

be keeping UK plc's credit rating. be keeping UK plc's credit rating.

:18:44.:18:45.

be keeping UK plc's credit rating. be keeping UK plc's credit rating.

:18:45.:18:46.

That has to come first or some it That has to come first or some it

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That has to come first or some it That has to come first or some it

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is the only responsible thing to do. is the only responsible thing to do.

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is the only responsible thing to do. is the only responsible thing to do.

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A howlers that going? At -- howl is A howlers that going? At -- howl is

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A howlers that going? At -- howl is that going? Isn't it disgraceful

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that going? Isn't it disgraceful that going? Isn't it disgraceful

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that he won't condemn something who that he won't condemn something who

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that he won't condemn something who speaks up by terrorists. It the

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speaks up by terrorists. It the speaks up by terrorists. It the

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decision of the ratings agency is decision of the ratings agency is

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decision of the ratings agency is the reminder of the debt and

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the reminder of the debt and the reminder of the debt and

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deficit problem that the country deficit problem that the country

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deficit problem that the country deficit problem that the country

:19:15.:19:15.

faces, it is a warning to anyone faces, it is a warning to anyone

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faces, it is a warning to anyone faces, it is a warning to anyone

:19:16.:19:18.

who thinks we can walk away from it. who thinks we can walk away from it.

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who thinks we can walk away from it. It is absolutely vital that we

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It is absolutely vital that we It is absolutely vital that we

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continue with the work of this continue with the work of this

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continue with the work of this government, which has cut the a

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government, which has cut the a government, which has cut the a

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government, which has cut the a deficit by a quarter, and has more

:19:28.:19:30.

deficit by a quarter, and has more deficit by a quarter, and has more

:19:30.:19:32.

deficit by a quarter, and has more people in jobs. I know it is his

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people in jobs. I know it is his people in jobs. I know it is his

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people in jobs. I know it is his policy to borrow even more. A I was

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policy to borrow even more. A I was policy to borrow even more. A I was

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asking about the country's credit asking about the country's credit

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asking about the country's credit asking about the country's credit

:19:42.:19:43.

rating, oak and this is what he rating, oak and this is what he

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rating, oak and this is what he rating, oak and this is what he

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used to say about the credit rating, used to say about the credit rating,

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used to say about the credit rating, used to say about the credit rating,

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used to say about the credit rating, that it was a mark in trust of the

:19:52.:19:54.

that it was a mark in trust of the that it was a mark in trust of the

:19:54.:19:58.

country a, and his manifesto said country a, and his manifesto said

:19:58.:20:00.

this, safeguarding Britain's cred this, safeguarding Britain's cred

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this, safeguarding Britain's cred this, safeguarding Britain's cred

:20:01.:20:02.

rating was the very first of his, rating was the very first of his,

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rating was the very first of his, bench marks for Britain, against

:20:07.:20:09.

bench marks for Britain, against bench marks for Britain, against

:20:09.:20:10.

which British people can charge the which British people can charge the

:20:10.:20:11.

which British people can charge the economic success or failure of the

:20:11.:20:13.

economic success or failure of the economic success or failure of the

:20:13.:20:15.

next government. Does the Prime next government. Does the Prime

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next government. Does the Prime Minister accept that by the first

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Minister accept that by the first Minister accept that by the first

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Minister accept that by the first Test he set himself, he has failed?

:20:19.:20:20.

Test he set himself, he has failed? Test he set himself, he has failed?

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Test he set himself, he has failed? If there is a problem of excessive

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If there is a problem of excessive If there is a problem of excessive

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If there is a problem of excessive borrowing, why is it his problem a

:20:27.:20:28.

borrowing, why is it his problem a borrowing, why is it his problem a

:20:28.:20:33.

borrowing, why is it his problem a -- policy to borrow more? It owes

:20:33.:20:34.

-- policy to borrow more? It owes -- policy to borrow more? It owes

:20:34.:20:37.

Moody's had said they could also Moody's had said they could also

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Moody's had said they could also downgrade the debt rating further

:20:39.:20:41.

downgrade the debt rating further downgrade the debt rating further

:20:41.:20:42.

in the event of reduce political in the event of reduce political

:20:42.:20:44.

commitment to fiscal consolidation. commitment to fiscal consolidation.

:20:44.:20:46.

commitment to fiscal consolidation. commitment to fiscal consolidation.

:20:46.:20:47.

We know that is the vital work that We know that is the vital work that

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We know that is the vital work that We know that is the vital work that

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we have to do, will hear made that we have to do, will hear made that

:20:50.:20:51.

we have to do, will hear made that we have to do, will hear made that

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he is in favour of more borrowing? he is in favour of more borrowing?

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he is in favour of more borrowing? he is in favour of more borrowing?

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A -- will he admits. Go the part- A -- will he admits. Go the part-

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A -- will he admits. Go the part- A -- will he admits. Go the part-

:21:08.:21:09.

time Chancellor said it would be a time Chancellor said it would be a

:21:09.:21:12.

time Chancellor said it would be a humiliation for the country to lose

:21:12.:21:16.

humiliation for the country to lose humiliation for the country to lose

:21:16.:21:17.

that at credit-rating. I know the that at credit-rating. I know the

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that at credit-rating. I know the Prime Minister is not big on

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Prime Minister is not big on Prime Minister is not big on

:21:20.:21:21.

humility, but the manifesto said he humility, but the manifesto said he

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humility, but the manifesto said he would be accountable and open.

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would be accountable and open. would be accountable and open.

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Let's give him another go, simple Let's give him another go, simple

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Let's give him another go, simple Let's give him another go, simple

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question, yes or no, has he failed question, yes or no, has he failed

:21:30.:21:31.

question, yes or no, has he failed the first economic tests which she

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the first economic tests which she the first economic tests which she

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the first economic tests which she set out in this manifesto? I am not

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set out in this manifesto? I am not set out in this manifesto? I am not

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arguing that the rating agency arguing that the rating agency

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doesn't matter. Batty's his doesn't matter. Batty's his

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doesn't matter. Batty's his doesn't matter. Batty's his

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argument. A -- that is his argument argument. A -- that is his argument

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argument. A -- that is his argument it. It is his government which

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it. It is his government which it. It is his government which

:21:54.:21:55.

wants to borrow more, this wants to borrow more, this

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wants to borrow more, this government has cut its, and has

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government has cut its, and has government has cut its, and has

:21:58.:22:00.

created more jobs, which is vital created more jobs, which is vital

:22:00.:22:04.

created more jobs, which is vital created more jobs, which is vital

:22:04.:22:05.

for the future of the economy. If for the future of the economy. If

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for the future of the economy. If he wants EC countries like Canada

:22:06.:22:09.

he wants EC countries like Canada he wants EC countries like Canada

:22:09.:22:10.

and Germany, who have kept that and Germany, who have kept that

:22:10.:22:11.

and Germany, who have kept that credit rating, they fix the roof

:22:11.:22:12.

credit rating, they fix the roof credit rating, they fix the roof

:22:12.:22:14.

when the sun was shining. His when the sun was shining. His

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when the sun was shining. His when the sun was shining. His

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answer is to borrow more. Any time answer is to borrow more. Any time

:22:20.:22:21.

answer is to borrow more. Any time answer is to borrow more. Any time

:22:21.:22:21.

he wants to swap places, I will he wants to swap places, I will

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he wants to swap places, I will answer the questions. He talks

:22:28.:22:30.

answer the questions. He talks answer the questions. He talks

:22:30.:22:31.

about borrowing, I don't know where about borrowing, I don't know where

:22:31.:22:32.

about borrowing, I don't know where the last time he'd checked, the

:22:32.:22:37.

the last time he'd checked, the the last time he'd checked, the

:22:37.:22:38.

deficit is rising, not falling oh, deficit is rising, not falling oh,

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deficit is rising, not falling oh, deficit is rising, not falling oh,

:22:40.:22:41.

and he is borrowing of �212 billion and he is borrowing of �212 billion

:22:41.:22:42.

and he is borrowing of �212 billion more than he planned, because of

:22:42.:22:43.

more than he planned, because of more than he planned, because of

:22:43.:22:46.

his failure to grow the economy. his failure to grow the economy.

:22:46.:22:51.

his failure to grow the economy. his failure to grow the economy.

:22:51.:22:56.

The let's turn to the reasons for The let's turn to the reasons for

:22:56.:22:57.

The let's turn to the reasons for The let's turn to the reasons for

:22:57.:22:57.

the downgrade. Can he say that it the downgrade. Can he say that it

:22:57.:23:00.

the downgrade. Can he say that it the downgrade. Can he say that it

:23:00.:23:02.

has nothing to do with him? I am has nothing to do with him? I am

:23:02.:23:03.

has nothing to do with him? I am saying this credit rating does

:23:03.:23:05.

saying this credit rating does saying this credit rating does

:23:05.:23:06.

matter, added demonstrates we have matter, added demonstrates we have

:23:06.:23:07.

matter, added demonstrates we have to go fervour and faster in

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to go fervour and faster in to go fervour and faster in

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reducing it. The -- and it reducing it. The -- and it

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reducing it. The -- and it demonstrates that we have to go

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demonstrates that we have to go demonstrates that we have to go

:23:16.:23:16.

demonstrates that we have to go further and faster. A he will never

:23:16.:23:17.

further and faster. A he will never further and faster. A he will never

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further and faster. A he will never further and faster. A he will never

:23:18.:23:19.

sit on this side of the house if he sit on this side of the house if he

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sit on this side of the house if he doesn't answer the questions on

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doesn't answer the questions on doesn't answer the questions on

:23:20.:23:25.

what the country should do. He what the country should do. He

:23:26.:23:26.

what the country should do. He doesn't mention the other economic

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doesn't mention the other economic doesn't mention the other economic

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news, which is at 154,000 extra news, which is at 154,000 extra

:23:31.:23:32.

news, which is at 154,000 extra people mug. More people in

:23:32.:23:34.

people mug. More people in people mug. More people in

:23:34.:23:34.

people mug. More people in employment that in any time in our

:23:34.:23:41.

employment that in any time in our employment that in any time in our

:23:41.:23:42.

history. That is what is happening history. That is what is happening

:23:42.:23:45.

in our economy. in our economy.

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in our economy. Professor John Curtis is still with

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Professor John Curtis is still with Professor John Curtis is still with

:23:51.:23:53.

me, pretty heated questioning. A me, pretty heated questioning. A

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me, pretty heated questioning. A slightly awkward for Ed Miliband,

:23:55.:23:59.

slightly awkward for Ed Miliband, slightly awkward for Ed Miliband,

:23:59.:24:01.

slightly awkward for Ed Miliband, slightly awkward for Ed Miliband,

:24:01.:24:01.

as it a was put to him that the as it a was put to him that the

:24:01.:24:02.

as it a was put to him that the as it a was put to him that the

:24:02.:24:04.

Prime Minister said he was going to Prime Minister said he was going to

:24:04.:24:07.

Prime Minister said he was going to borrow more. Absolutely. This Bella

:24:07.:24:08.

borrow more. Absolutely. This Bella borrow more. Absolutely. This Bella

:24:08.:24:11.

two lines of attack from the two lines of attack from the

:24:11.:24:15.

two lines of attack from the government, the spike -- despite

:24:15.:24:19.

government, the spike -- despite government, the spike -- despite

:24:19.:24:21.

their difficulties. At the he was their difficulties. At the he was

:24:21.:24:23.

their difficulties. At the he was their difficulties. At the he was

:24:23.:24:33.
:24:33.:24:34.

say that they wanted to borrow more. say that they wanted to borrow more.

:24:34.:24:36.

say that they wanted to borrow more. say that they wanted to borrow more.

:24:36.:24:36.

They still need to respond to those They still need to respond to those

:24:36.:24:38.

They still need to respond to those questions, they still need to get

:24:38.:24:41.

questions, they still need to get questions, they still need to get

:24:41.:24:43.

the economy growing. He comes back the economy growing. He comes back

:24:43.:24:45.

the economy growing. He comes back to the conversations we were having

:24:45.:24:46.

to the conversations we were having to the conversations we were having

:24:46.:24:47.

earlier, David Cameron was still earlier, David Cameron was still

:24:47.:24:49.

earlier, David Cameron was still earlier, David Cameron was still

:24:49.:24:51.

asking who got us into this mess? asking who got us into this mess?

:24:51.:24:53.

asking who got us into this mess? They say they are still getting

:24:53.:24:54.

They say they are still getting They say they are still getting

:24:54.:24:58.

Britain out of Labour's mess. This Britain out of Labour's mess. This

:24:58.:25:01.

Britain out of Labour's mess. This Britain out of Labour's mess. This

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is the first occasion a in which a is the first occasion a in which a

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is the first occasion a in which a is the first occasion a in which a

:25:03.:25:04.

piece of news which can be solely piece of news which can be solely

:25:04.:25:09.

piece of news which can be solely attributed to the colours --

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attributed to the colours -- attributed to the colours --

:25:10.:25:11.

coalition. The government was still coalition. The government was still

:25:11.:25:12.

coalition. The government was still trying to use that previous line.

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trying to use that previous line. trying to use that previous line.

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trying to use that previous line. It is interesting to see whether it

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It is interesting to see whether it It is interesting to see whether it

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still holds. During this period, still holds. During this period,

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still holds. During this period, can the Labour Party turn things

:25:24.:25:30.

can the Labour Party turn things can the Labour Party turn things

:25:31.:25:32.

can the Labour Party turn things around. They need to say, we think

:25:32.:25:33.

around. They need to say, we think around. They need to say, we think

:25:33.:25:34.

around. They need to say, we think that Ed Miliband and Ed Balls will

:25:34.:25:37.

that Ed Miliband and Ed Balls will that Ed Miliband and Ed Balls will

:25:37.:25:41.

that Ed Miliband and Ed Balls will be better to run the country.

:25:41.:25:43.

be better to run the country. be better to run the country.

:25:43.:25:44.

Prime Minister's questions, bpm was Prime Minister's questions, bpm was

:25:44.:25:47.

under intense pressure from under intense pressure from

:25:47.:25:47.

under intense pressure from opposition MPs about the so-called

:25:47.:25:52.

opposition MPs about the so-called opposition MPs about the so-called

:25:52.:25:53.

opposition MPs about the so-called bedroom tax. It is a really tricky

:25:53.:25:54.

bedroom tax. It is a really tricky bedroom tax. It is a really tricky

:25:54.:25:58.

issue for the coalition government? issue for the coalition government?

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issue for the coalition government? issue for the coalition government?

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It is a classic problem. Lots of It is a classic problem. Lots of

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It is a classic problem. Lots of It is a classic problem. Lots of

:26:04.:26:05.

people may agreed that it would be people may agreed that it would be

:26:05.:26:06.

people may agreed that it would be people may agreed that it would be

:26:06.:26:07.

very good if you can get to very good if you can get to

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very good if you can get to very good if you can get to

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position peak, but at the moment we position peak, but at the moment we

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position peak, but at the moment we position peak, but at the moment we

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are in position a. If someone lives are in position a. If someone lives

:26:19.:26:21.

are in position a. If someone lives in a three-bedroom house, and don't

:26:21.:26:22.

in a three-bedroom house, and don't in a three-bedroom house, and don't

:26:22.:26:23.

in a three-bedroom house, and don't use them all, it would be a good

:26:23.:26:24.

use them all, it would be a good use them all, it would be a good

:26:24.:26:25.

use them all, it would be a good idea to get them into a smaller

:26:25.:26:26.

idea to get them into a smaller idea to get them into a smaller

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property, but how do you engineer property, but how do you engineer

:26:32.:26:34.

property, but how do you engineer property, but how do you engineer

:26:34.:26:36.

that move? That is one thing, the that move? That is one thing, the

:26:36.:26:37.

that move? That is one thing, the second thing which the coalition

:26:37.:26:38.

second thing which the coalition second thing which the coalition

:26:38.:26:44.

has misjudged, many people may feel has misjudged, many people may feel

:26:44.:26:46.

has misjudged, many people may feel that their children have left home,

:26:46.:26:47.

that their children have left home, that their children have left home,

:26:47.:26:49.

that their children have left home, and I have a four bedroom house,

:26:49.:26:50.

and I have a four bedroom house, and I have a four bedroom house,

:26:50.:26:54.

maybe they should be encouraged to maybe they should be encouraged to

:26:54.:26:56.

maybe they should be encouraged to maybe they should be encouraged to

:26:56.:26:56.

move, but most people may want to move, but most people may want to

:26:56.:26:58.

move, but most people may want to move, but most people may want to

:26:58.:26:59.

have a spare bedroom to have their have a spare bedroom to have their

:26:59.:27:00.

have a spare bedroom to have their have a spare bedroom to have their

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children stay with them. At the end children stay with them. At the end

:27:01.:27:02.

children stay with them. At the end children stay with them. At the end

:27:02.:27:03.

of the day, the government is being of the day, the government is being

:27:03.:27:04.

of the day, the government is being of the day, the government is being

:27:04.:27:05.

tougher. It is a problem that they tougher. It is a problem that they

:27:05.:27:07.

tougher. It is a problem that they face in cutting the deficit. Now

:27:07.:27:08.

face in cutting the deficit. Now face in cutting the deficit. Now

:27:08.:27:10.

you come across some of the you come across some of the

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you come across some of the potential difficulties. Look for in

:27:12.:27:13.

potential difficulties. Look for in potential difficulties. Look for in

:27:13.:27:15.

April to the opposition coming up April to the opposition coming up

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April to the opposition coming up with individual hardship cages, and

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with individual hardship cages, and with individual hardship cages, and

:27:20.:27:21.

saying this doesn't work. They will saying this doesn't work. They will

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saying this doesn't work. They will 0.2 couples in a two-bedroom house

:27:24.:27:25.

0.2 couples in a two-bedroom house 0.2 couples in a two-bedroom house

:27:25.:27:26.

0.2 couples in a two-bedroom house that are no longer able to pay the

:27:26.:27:31.

that are no longer able to pay the that are no longer able to pay the

:27:31.:27:37.

that are no longer able to pay the rent. -- Bay well 0.2 couples.

:27:37.:27:38.

rent. -- Bay well 0.2 couples. rent. -- Bay well 0.2 couples.

:27:38.:27:39.

rent. -- Bay well 0.2 couples. people have said this may go down

:27:39.:27:40.

people have said this may go down people have said this may go down

:27:40.:27:44.

like the poll tax for this like the poll tax for this

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like the poll tax for this government? It certainly has that

:27:46.:27:47.

government? It certainly has that government? It certainly has that

:27:47.:27:50.

ever about it. Something which ever about it. Something which

:27:50.:27:51.

ever about it. Something which could look rather insincere Mary.

:27:51.:27:52.

could look rather insincere Mary. could look rather insincere Mary.

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could look rather insincere Mary. The thing about the poll tax was

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The thing about the poll tax was The thing about the poll tax was

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that it affected large numbers of that it affected large numbers of

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that it affected large numbers of people. -- incendiary. There was

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people. -- incendiary. There was people. -- incendiary. There was

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people. -- incendiary. There was much higher than it was intended in

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much higher than it was intended in much higher than it was intended in

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much higher than it was intended in Scotland. This is an issue facing a

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Scotland. This is an issue facing a Scotland. This is an issue facing a

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minority of people. To that extent, minority of people. To that extent,

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minority of people. To that extent, it probably doesn't have quite the

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it probably doesn't have quite the it probably doesn't have quite the

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same resonance. It is whether the same resonance. It is whether the

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same resonance. It is whether the human interest Tories, whether they

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human interest Tories, whether they human interest Tories, whether they

:28:27.:28:29.

become important. If lots of people become important. If lots of people

:28:29.:28:30.

become important. If lots of people become important. If lots of people

:28:30.:28:30.

say that it isn't fair, that is the say that it isn't fair, that is the

:28:30.:28:40.
:28:40.:28:44.

say that it isn't fair, that is the Well the bedroom tax debate has

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Well the bedroom tax debate has Well the bedroom tax debate has

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Well the bedroom tax debate has been going on this afternoon in the

:28:45.:28:46.

been going on this afternoon in the been going on this afternoon in the

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House of Commons, with some heated House of Commons, with some heated

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House of Commons, with some heated exchanges. Here's a flavour of

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exchanges. Here's a flavour of exchanges. Here's a flavour of

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what's been happening. In just a what's been happening. In just a

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what's been happening. In just a few weeks' time the bedroom taxes

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few weeks' time the bedroom taxes few weeks' time the bedroom taxes

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few weeks' time the bedroom taxes set to come into effect. It will

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set to come into effect. It will set to come into effect. It will

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cut a housing benefit of 660,000 cut a housing benefit of 660,000

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cut a housing benefit of 660,000 low income households across the UK

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low income households across the UK low income households across the UK

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low income households across the UK by �14 a week. Dementia is causing

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by �14 a week. Dementia is causing by �14 a week. Dementia is causing

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by �14 a week. Dementia is causing anxiety and anger in -- in equal

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anxiety and anger in -- in equal anxiety and anger in -- in equal

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measure. It follows hard on the measure. It follows hard on the

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measure. It follows hard on the heels of punitive tax credits that

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heels of punitive tax credits that heels of punitive tax credits that

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has slashed the income of low- has slashed the income of low-

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has slashed the income of low- income families. This bedroom tax

:29:41.:29:43.

income families. This bedroom tax income families. This bedroom tax

:29:43.:29:44.

is a further assault on the is a further assault on the

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is a further assault on the precarious finances of the people

:29:45.:29:46.

precarious finances of the people precarious finances of the people

:29:46.:29:47.

precarious finances of the people who are bearing the brunt of the

:29:47.:29:50.

who are bearing the brunt of the austerity measures. Doesn't she

:29:50.:29:51.

austerity measures. Doesn't she austerity measures. Doesn't she

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think it is appalling that the think it is appalling that the

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think it is appalling that the architect of this pernicious tax,

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architect of this pernicious tax, architect of this pernicious tax,

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the secretary of state himself has the secretary of state himself has

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the secretary of state himself has not replying to this debates? He

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not replying to this debates? He not replying to this debates? He

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should be here at preventing this should be here at preventing this

:30:05.:30:07.

should be here at preventing this should be here at preventing this

:30:07.:30:07.

ridiculous tax. He should be on his ridiculous tax. He should be on his

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ridiculous tax. He should be on his ridiculous tax. He should be on his

:30:12.:30:12.

feet trying to defend this. I share feet trying to defend this. I share

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my honourable friend's my honourable friend's

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disappointment that the government disappointment that the government

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disappointment that the government disappointment that the government

:30:16.:30:22.

has not listened to the pleas of has not listened to the pleas of

:30:22.:30:23.

disabled people, because the disabled people, because the

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disabled people, because the problem is this has not been

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problem is this has not been properly costed or thought-through

:30:27.:30:28.

properly costed or thought-through properly costed or thought-through

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and it will cause chaos, hardship and it will cause chaos, hardship

:30:36.:30:37.

and it will cause chaos, hardship and distress. Do disabled people

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and distress. Do disabled people and distress. Do disabled people

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and distress. Do disabled people who are going to be forced to move

:30:39.:30:40.

who are going to be forced to move who are going to be forced to move

:30:40.:30:41.

into the private sector will find into the private sector will find

:30:41.:30:43.

into the private sector will find it harder to get accessible

:30:43.:30:45.

it harder to get accessible properties. Landlords in the

:30:45.:30:46.

properties. Landlords in the properties. Landlords in the

:30:46.:30:48.

private sector might be less than private sector might be less than

:30:48.:30:49.

private sector might be less than happy about new adaptations being

:30:49.:30:53.

happy about new adaptations being happy about new adaptations being

:30:53.:30:55.

made to their properties. Again, made to their properties. Again,

:30:55.:30:56.

made to their properties. Again, what an unnecessary waste of public

:30:56.:30:57.

what an unnecessary waste of public what an unnecessary waste of public

:30:57.:31:02.

money at the time when local money at the time when local

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authorities are struggling to. authorities are struggling to.

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authorities are struggling to. authorities are struggling to.

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Would she agree with me that she Would she agree with me that she

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Would she agree with me that she Would she agree with me that she

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makes a good point about the cost makes a good point about the cost

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makes a good point about the cost of private rentals compared to

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of private rentals compared to of private rentals compared to

:31:12.:31:13.

of private rentals compared to social rentals. Is it not now at

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social rentals. Is it not now at social rentals. Is it not now at

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social rentals. Is it not now at the time and column do we start to

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the time and column do we start to the time and column do we start to

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regulate private rentals so we do regulate private rentals so we do

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regulate private rentals so we do not start subsidising landlords?

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not start subsidising landlords? not start subsidising landlords?

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is clear that rental Scotland's -- is clear that rental Scotland's --

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is clear that rental Scotland's -- is clear that rental Scotland's --

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rents in Scotland are not out of rents in Scotland are not out of

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rents in Scotland are not out of control. I think it is important

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control. I think it is important control. I think it is important

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control. I think it is important that we remember that some of the

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that we remember that some of the that we remember that some of the

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disabled people subject to the disabled people subject to the

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disabled people subject to the bedroom texture the same people who

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bedroom texture the same people who bedroom texture the same people who

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 87 seconds

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That is why we will be having those That is why we will be having those

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That is why we will be having those negotiations. You may recall when

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negotiations. You may recall when negotiations. You may recall when

:53:38.:53:42.

his party was in power, his party was in power,

:53:42.:53:43.

his party was in power, negotiations took place, there was

:53:43.:53:45.

negotiations took place, there was negotiations took place, there was

:53:45.:53:47.

a detrimental impact. We will work a detrimental impact. We will work

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a detrimental impact. We will work a detrimental impact. We will work

:53:48.:53:50.

hard to make sure that happens in hard to make sure that happens in

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the European Parliament. the European Parliament.

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founding fathers and mothers founding fathers and mothers

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founding fathers and mothers considered the European Union to be

:54:01.:54:03.

considered the European Union to be considered the European Union to be

:54:03.:54:04.

important, and we too considerate important, and we too considerate

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important, and we too considerate important, and we too considerate

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to be important, that can be seen to be important, that can be seen

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to be important, that can be seen by the fact that the European

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by the fact that the European by the fact that the European

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by the fact that the European committee is one of those which is

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committee is one of those which is committee is one of those which is

:54:11.:54:12.

seen as a mandatory committee of seen as a mandatory committee of

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seen as a mandatory committee of seen as a mandatory committee of

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this Parliament, and we wish to see this Parliament, and we wish to see

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this Parliament, and we wish to see those issues have a certain

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those issues have a certain those issues have a certain

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seriousness going forward with our seriousness going forward with our

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seriousness going forward with our discussions. The list of priorities

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discussions. The list of priorities discussions. The list of priorities

:54:24.:54:25.

that have been identified by the that have been identified by the

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Commission can sometimes seem Commission can sometimes seem

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Commission can sometimes seem daunting. They have identified the

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daunting. They have identified the daunting. They have identified the

:54:34.:54:35.

area's most relevant to them, and area's most relevant to them, and

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area's most relevant to them, and their agendas going forward. The

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their agendas going forward. The their agendas going forward. The

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are energy and tourism committee are energy and tourism committee

:54:42.:54:43.

are energy and tourism committee has identified eight areas going

:54:43.:54:45.

has identified eight areas going has identified eight areas going

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forward. One of those that forward. One of those that

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forward. One of those that interested me was proposals sex,

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interested me was proposals sex, interested me was proposals sex,

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which address the shortcomings of which address the shortcomings of

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which address the shortcomings of the EU industrial pride that

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the EU industrial pride that the EU industrial pride that

:54:55.:54:57.

legislation, the aim to be to legislation, the aim to be to

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legislation, the aim to be to simplify it the framework. This

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simplify it the framework. This simplify it the framework. This

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simplify it the framework. This seems to me that this kind of

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seems to me that this kind of scrutiny is always welcome,

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scrutiny is always welcome, scrutiny is always welcome,

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particularly in an area that is particularly in an area that is

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always criticise, often unfairly. always criticise, often unfairly.

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always criticise, often unfairly. Let's get some final thoughts in

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Let's get some final thoughts in Let's get some final thoughts in

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the company of our political the company of our political

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commentator, John Curtis. commentator, John Curtis.

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commentator, John Curtis. When we were speaking to the

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When we were speaking to the When we were speaking to the

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Liberal Democrat MP, they sidestep Liberal Democrat MP, they sidestep

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Liberal Democrat MP, they sidestep that controversial issue of Lord

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that controversial issue of Lord that controversial issue of Lord

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Rennard. That gives you some idea Rennard. That gives you some idea

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Rennard. That gives you some idea of the sensitivity of the issue.

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of the sensitivity of the issue. of the sensitivity of the issue.

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The problem for the Liberal The problem for the Liberal

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The problem for the Liberal The problem for the Liberal

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Democrats is not so much the bridge Democrats is not so much the bridge

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Democrats is not so much the bridge built the allegations, but the fact

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built the allegations, but the fact built the allegations, but the fact

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that Nick Clegg and his office that Nick Clegg and his office

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that Nick Clegg and his office managed to give the impression of

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managed to give the impression of managed to give the impression of

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having shifted their ground. Nick having shifted their ground. Nick

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having shifted their ground. Nick Clegg has tried to explain this,

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Clegg has tried to explain this, Clegg has tried to explain this,

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Clegg has tried to explain this, and said they he was asked a

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and said they he was asked a specific question about the

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specific question about the specific question about the

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allegations they were about to allegations they were about to

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allegations they were about to allegations they were about to

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broadcast, and he had to answer a broadcast, and he had to answer a

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broadcast, and he had to answer a broadcast, and he had to answer a

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narrow, but he had been aware that narrow, but he had been aware that

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narrow, but he had been aware that there had been question marks

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there had been question marks there had been question marks

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raised about his behaviour. The raised about his behaviour. The

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raised about his behaviour. The raised about his behaviour. The

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issue as to whether he handled it issue as to whether he handled it

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issue as to whether he handled it issue as to whether he handled it

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well has been raised. Nick Clegg is well has been raised. Nick Clegg is

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well has been raised. Nick Clegg is a deeply unpopular leader amongst

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a deeply unpopular leader amongst a deeply unpopular leader amongst

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the general public, and there has the general public, and there has

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the general public, and there has been speculation about whether he

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been speculation about whether he been speculation about whether he

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been speculation about whether he will lead the party all the way

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will lead the party all the way will lead the party all the way

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through to 2015. If question marks through to 2015. If question marks

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through to 2015. If question marks are raised about the weight which

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are raised about the weight which are raised about the weight which

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she has handled this, something she has handled this, something

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she has handled this, something she has handled this, something

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inside the party. -- about the way. inside the party. -- about the way.

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inside the party. -- about the way. People should not be abusing power

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People should not be abusing power People should not be abusing power

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in any kind of way, particularly in any kind of way, particularly

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in any kind of way, particularly inside the Liberal Democrats, you

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inside the Liberal Democrats, you inside the Liberal Democrats, you

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can see something that has become can see something that has become

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can see something that has become awkward, particularly the timing.

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awkward, particularly the timing. awkward, particularly the timing.

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course he denies any allegations. course he denies any allegations.

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course he denies any allegations. course he denies any allegations.

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That has come up on Wednesday, on That has come up on Wednesday, on

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That has come up on Wednesday, on Thursday, does that play into the

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Thursday, does that play into the Thursday, does that play into the

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Eastleigh by-election? That was a Eastleigh by-election? That was a

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Eastleigh by-election? That was a typical by-election anyway, we have

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typical by-election anyway, we have forgotten the scandal, Chris

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forgotten the scandal, Chris forgotten the scandal, Chris

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Huhne's admission that he had asked Huhne's admission that he had asked

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Huhne's admission that he had asked his wife to take his speeding

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his wife to take his speeding his wife to take his speeding

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his wife to take his speeding points. It has to be said, you can

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points. It has to be said, you can points. It has to be said, you can

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probably exaggerate the degree to probably exaggerate the degree to

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probably exaggerate the degree to which this has percolated through

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which this has percolated through which this has percolated through

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which this has percolated through to the local level. If the Liberal

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to the local level. If the Liberal to the local level. If the Liberal

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to the local level. If the Liberal Democrats are going to hang on to

:57:53.:57:54.

Democrats are going to hang on to Democrats are going to hang on to

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Democrats are going to hang on to wed, they are going to do so

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wed, they are going to do so wed, they are going to do so

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despite the unpopularity of Nick despite the unpopularity of Nick

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despite the unpopularity of Nick despite the unpopularity of Nick

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Clegg. -- hang on to wed. The local Clegg. -- hang on to wed. The local

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councillors are very heavily councillors are very heavily

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councillors are very heavily entrenched. I have tried to isolate

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entrenched. I have tried to isolate entrenched. I have tried to isolate

:58:25.:58:26.

themselves from the leadership. The themselves from the leadership. The

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themselves from the leadership. The opinion polls have been optimistic.

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opinion polls have been optimistic. opinion polls have been optimistic.

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opinion polls have been optimistic. It is also pretty clear that they

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It is also pretty clear that they It is also pretty clear that they

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It is also pretty clear that they again to be well down on the 46%

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again to be well down on the 46% they got in 2010.

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they got in 2010. they got in 2010.

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Thank you very much for that. Thank you very much for that.

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Thank you very much for that. Thank you very much for that.

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That is all we have time for, we That is all we have time for, we

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That is all we have time for, we That is all we have time for, we

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are back at the usual time next are back at the usual time next

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are back at the usual time next week, 2:30pm, and people being with

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