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Good afternoon and welcome to Politics Scotland.

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Nicola Sturgeon is meeting leaders in Brussels today to find a way

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First up was EU Parliament President Martin Schulz.

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I listen carefully and I learned a lot. Thank you very much. And here

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at Westminster, the Prime Minister warns MPs that there will be choppy

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economic waters ahead now that the UK has voted to leave the EU.

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First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is holding a series of meetings

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with leading EU officials on her visit to Brussels

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She'll discuss the situation with the European Commission

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president Jean-Claude Juncker this evening.

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Earlier she met EU Parliament president Martin Schulz.

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Our political correspondent Glenn Campbell is in Brussels.

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The First Minister has a busy schedule of meetings here in

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Brussels not least those in the European Parliament where she has

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been seeing readers from the political groupings in parliament

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and of course the president Martin Schulz. That follows an emergency

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session of the European Parliament yesterday by the Scottish MEP Alyn

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Smith said that Scotland had not let the European Union down by voting

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remain and urged MEPs not to let Scotland down now. The First

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Minister certainly getting a hearing here in Brussels and this is what

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was said after her discussions with President shots. We are at a very

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early stage of this process. I set out very clearly Scotland's desire

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to protect our relationship with the European Union. I don't

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underestimate the challenges that lie ahead for us to find a path and

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this is very much an initial meeting, a series of meetings in

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Brussels today is about people understand that Scotland, unlike

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other parts of the United Kingdom, does not want to leave the European

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Union. It was very much an introductory meeting and I was very

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grateful for the president agreeing to see me.

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I listened and they learned a lot. Thank you. There is a great of

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sympathy for the Scottish of and's decision as the custodian tries to

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find ways in which Scotland's winks with the EU can be maintained in the

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event of Brexit but they are also wary about being drawn into the

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Scottish independence debate. They regard that as a matter for domestic

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UK politics. Later, the First Minister will meet face-to-face with

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the president of the European Commission, John Collier Juncker.

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She also hope to see the President of the European Doctors Cure 's been

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sharing the summit but he decided it would not be appropriate to see her

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at this stage that she is meeting to of the big three figures in European

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politics. Well, Britain's vote to leave

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the EU has triggered upheaval in the country's two

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main political parties. The Conservatives have

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opened up nominations, in its search for a new leader

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to replace David Cameron. And Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn,

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seems certain to face a challenge after insisting he would not resign,

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despite an overwhelming Let's get a round-up of another

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big day with our Westminster

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correspondent David Porter. David, firstly, maybe it doesn't

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matter what David Cameron says but did you glean anything from what he

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did have to say today about what might happen next? What we have had

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is an extraordinary prime ministers questions. The first and minister

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has had to come back from an EU summit and basically say we are no

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longer going to be in that club in the foreseeable future. David

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Cameron then gave a more detailed statement after Prime Minister's

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Questions in which he gave more details about what would happen. I

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unit is being set up in the foreseeable future. David Cameron

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then gave a more detailed statement after Prime Minister's Questions in

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which he gave more details about what would happen. I unit is being

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set up an The Cabinet called Oliver Robins. She was previously at the

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Home Office but he has been so cold it to this to this commission.

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Someone very close to the Prime Minister will be looking at things

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initially from a political point of view but you are right to some

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extent. It does not matter what David Cameron does at the moment

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because within a couple of months, there will be a new Conservative

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leader and following on from that, a new Prime Minister and it will be up

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to the new Prime Minister and his or her team to decide exactly how they

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do this. One thing David Cameron has been keen to do is to say there is

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no rush to invoke the so-called article 50 which is essentially in

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political terms a way of saying, look, let's go ahead with divorce

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proceedings. Once you invoke that article, the clock starts ticking

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and there is a two-year deadline to complete the negotiations. I think

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David Cameron's view has always been, as he is not going to be Prime

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Minister, it is only right and proper that whoever takes over from

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him is actually the person who invokes that article and start the

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clock ticking. I was curious because of all this talk about this unity is

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setting up to look at all the options and so on. Let's face it,

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the British are world champions at procrastination and muddling

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through. I wondered if this might be an emerging strategy that someone

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like to read may make prosciutto, to keep putting things off and putting

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things off until the meaning of this whole thing becomes a little bit

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ambiguous. I think you're right. People are still coming to terms if

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you like with the sheer enormity of what happens last week. The fact

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that for over 40 years we have been a part of the EU or its predecessor

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at the EEC and in future we will not be part of that. People in Whitehall

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even are still getting their heads around that and then deciding what

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it will mean in practical terms. There is also a practical side to

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this that when article 50 is triggered, the UK Government is then

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going to have to find people within Government or bring them into

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Government from the civil service and outside who are actually used to

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taking these types of negotiations. For the past 40 years, everything to

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do with trade and things like that has been negotiated at an EU level

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so Britain has not had to do that and I think there is some concern,

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is there at the moment the expertise in Whitehall to conduct these

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negotiations? It will not just be one or two treaties, it will be many

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negotiations on different areas going on at the same time and I

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think there is a realisation in Whitehall but actually there are

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going to be an for lots of people who may take part in these

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negotiations who have never ever done anything like this before. I

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tried to check what was happening with the Labour Party before we came

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on air a few minutes ago, but it has probably changed since then. Yes,

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you're right. This is not a situation which is changing our by

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our butts minutes by minutes. I am in portcullis house which is where

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many MPs have their offices. It is the unofficial crossroads of

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Parliament is these days where people come and meet and as soon as

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a figure is walking through people are asking what they believed the

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latest on the Labour leadership is. Terms like chaos and crews and other

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things do not tell you that half of it. We have an extraordinary

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situation at the moment were the Labour MPs are openly at war with

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their reader. 75% of Labour MPs voted in a secret ballot for a

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motion of no-confidence in Jeremy Corbyn. He says that does not

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matter. He is going to stay because he has the support of Labour Party

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members in the Hall of the country and he says that he wants to tough

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it out but only to date, we have had Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown, Harriet

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Harman, Margaret Beckett, all people at some point to have led the Labour

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Party saying that his position is now untenable. It is very difficult

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to see how he can get through this and particularly how he can get

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through this without some kind of leadership challenge. And of course,

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not to be outdone in the Department of ferret and Saxton, the Tories are

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about to start a leadership contest as well. Yes, it's a bit like buses.

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You wait frame leadership challenge to come along and then two come

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along at once. Nominations for the Tory readership will open a little

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later on this afternoon and will close at midday tomorrow. We know

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already that Stephen Crabb has put his name forward and he is being

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supported by savage avid. We also know that it is taken as read that

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Boris Johnson is going to run as indeed is Theresa May, the Home

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Secretary. We have a good idea of three of those. We do not know how

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large the field will be. There will be a series of votes and then it

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will be up to MPs to whittle that down to two. Goes to war then go in

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a run-off and it will be one of them who will be the next Conservative

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leader and the next Prime Minister, decided by the Tory party membership

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as a whole. That process will conclude by September the 9th when

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we will have a new Tory leader and a new Prime Minister. Quite who the

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Labour leader will be at that time, I haven't a clue! Don't go away.

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We'll come back to you later on. The Daily Record's political editor,

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David Clegg is with me today. Is there anyone who could say to

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Jeremy Corbyn, Jeremy, you need to go and he would take that series

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the? Maybe John McDonnell I suppose. His closest ally. It is clear that

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he is not listening to pretty much anyone at the moment when you have

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Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown and even David Cameron suggesting that it is

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time to go. The fact that he is holding off. Mac but Easter has a

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trump card. If you have another leadership contest, he will win. All

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those people who join the Labour Party, I know the MPs say that they

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are out of touch with the people they represent but the point is that

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they get to vote on who the next leader is. I think if he is on the

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ballot paper, it is likely that he would win given that there does not

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seem to have been much of a shift from that hard left group who joins

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specifically to make Jeremy Corbyn reader. The ?3 members as they are

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known. However, if they can somehow keep him off the ballot paper, that

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is perhaps what they are aiming for as an endgame is here because it

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seems the only way they are going to get a different leader is to...

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Would they really care if these other members shifted off? The MPs

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that I have talked to have absolute contempt for the people who voted

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for Jeremy Corbyn. They do not want to be in the same party as them. I

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honestly think they are in the way where if Corbyn continues, there

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will be a Parliamentary reader party and then a membership leader party

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that are effectively two distinct groups at the minutes. We will

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return to that later. The The political system may

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be in turmoil but it's business almost as usual

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in the Scottish Parliament today. Finance Secretary Derek Mackay

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is about to update MSPs on the budget and what's been spent

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so far - which we understand is, But nothing happens in a vacuum

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so it's likely there'll be Well, let's see as we cross

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to the chamber live. although there may be no emergency

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budget, there will inevitably be budget adjustments by the new UK

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Government. The scale of these adjustments we do not know. Residing

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officer, I will now turn to provisional outturn for 2015-16.

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Financial year 2015-16 represented the final year of the 2010 spending

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review settlement which saw the Scottish Government's discretionary

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budget fall by almost ten... Within that, it fell by almost a quarter.

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It also represented the first year that the Scottish parliament became

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responsible for landfill tax and the land and building transaction tax

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and being the first finance minister in Scotland for over 300 years to

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set national taxes, my predecessor adopted a fair and progressive

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approach to rates and bands. That principled approach to taxation is

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one I plan to replicate over the course of this Parliament. Under the

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current devilish and settlement, the Scottish parliament is not allowed

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to overspend its current budget. As a consequence, we have control

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public spending sure to ensure we live within the budget caps that are

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applied but remain able to carry forward some spending power

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resources for our future year. That's prudent strategy has proven

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to be the right one, particularly in light of last Friday's events.

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In 2015 and 2016 the Scottish Government has shown a fine grip on

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its finances. The resources for which this parliament has

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discretion, the provisional outturn for 2015 and 2016 is expenditure of

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29,000 160 million against the limit of a much greater amine. This means

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there is a festival cash underspent of ?65 million. ?40 million in

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capital spending, that represents just 0.4% of the total fiscal

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budget. Although the sums are carried forward into 2016 and 2017.

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There is also provisional outturn underspent ?40 million in respect of

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financial transactions, that are set by HM Treasury and ring fenced for

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loans and equity investment outside the public sector. Again this is

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carried forward into 2016 and 2017. Overall, including financial

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transactions, this means that we will carry forward the .5% of the

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total 2015 and 2016 cash budget. The sums are carried forward using the

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Treasury budget exchange facility agreed under the last pending

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review. This will ensure there is no loss of spending power to the

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Scottish Parliament. Given the considerable uncertainty that has

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now been created as a result of the EU referendum vote, I do not intend

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to rush into immediate decisions on the deployment of such resources.

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Instead I will consider their deployment when is as appropriate to

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do so, taking account of the prevailing economic conditions and

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in full consideration of need and spending pressures. Turning to the

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non-discretionary elements of our budget, the non-cash provision which

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I would remind Parliament once again cannot be used for purchase goods

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and deliverable services, expenditure is lower than ?130

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million, consistent with previous years and as the descriptive digest,

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such resources are not cash in nature but rather provide specific

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budget cover for differences between estimated accounting adjustments and

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the final amounts calculated. Over ?80 million of the total relates to

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a lower than expected write-down of the carrying value into the student

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loan book. This is an accounting of judgment and has no cash

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consequences. Other uses for this budget include the deep Jason and

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attainment of assets, all of which have no cars consequence. Under

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devolved powers from the 23rd of Scotland Act and as I have already

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indicated, 2015 and 2016 was the first year in which devolved taxes

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and respect of land and building transactions tax have been managed

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in Scotland. A total of ?572 million has been collected, some ?74 million

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above the initial estimates. Again, recognising the uncertainty that has

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been created in the economy, I have also decided to take a prudent view

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of the deployment of these resources. I am mindful, in

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particular, of the impact of the EU referendum decision on property

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transactions and the need to manage potential volatility in future tax

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revenues. The addition of taxes will therefore be placed in a Scottish

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cash reserve and youth facility created by the 2012 act which allows

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excess tax receipts are both forecast to be held for greater

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deployment. The Finance Secretary Derek

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Mackay speaking there. We'll be back to hear more business

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in the Chamber a little later. Now yesterday the First Minister

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received the backing of a majority of MSPs to explore every option

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to retain Scotland's relationship Labour, the Greens and the Liberal

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Democrats all supported the motion but the Conservatives abstained

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along with one pro-Leave Labour MSP, citing concerns about another

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Scottish independence referendum. But the First Minister assured MSPs

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the motion they were voting on The Prime Minister gave me a

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commitment on Friday morning to the full engagement of the Scottish

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Government and to ensure that the interests of all parts of the UK are

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protected and advanced. I seek the authority of Parliament today to

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hold the Prime Minister and his successor to that commitment. I will

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make an initial visit to Brussels to set up the position of Scotland and

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its interest representatives of the major groups in the European

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Parliament anti-depressant of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz

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is. I would expect to give from the Prime Minister on the outcome of the

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European Council meeting taking place this week and following that I

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intend to set up the position of Scotland directly to the European

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Commission. We have got a great deal of what to do both in government and

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indeed as a Parliament to set out and evaluate all the impacts of the

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referendum result and the options open to open to Scotland to secure

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our relationship with the European Union. For that reason I am

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establishing a standing Council of experts to provide advice to me and

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to meet government on how best to achieve our EU objectives. I want to

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be clear to Parliament that while I believe independence is the best

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option for Scotland, I do not think that will come as a surprise to

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anyone. It is not my starting point in these discussions. My starting

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point is to protect Scotland's interests and to protect our

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relationship with you. To ensure that the option of holding a

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referendum within the timetable of the UK weaving the EU is viable, we

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will now prepare the legislation. The Scottish Government wants to

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explore Scotland's options from within the UK, we can support on

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that. But after the speech we have concerns of the approach of the

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Scottish Government in the day since the result. I cannot ignore the fact

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that within hours of the vote becoming clear on Friday morning,

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the Scottish Government had posed questions regarding independence

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from an centre. The First Minister speaks of able in Scotland worried

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and outraged by the result of the EU vote. But I feel duty bound to speak

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up for the many people of Scotland to have contacted myself and my

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colleagues to say that they are concerned, deeply worried about the

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prospect of another referendum on independence. That is why we have

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included our opposition to this prospect in our amendments today. We

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do not dampen the shock waves caused by one referendum by lighting the

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fuse for another, nor by saying that the economic impact of leaving one

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union means that you should sever ties with the greater union, whose

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new you include eclipses the former many times over. We did not vote in

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communities, constituencies, towns and nations, we voted as one

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country, the UK. A country that we as Scots reaffirmed our commitment

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to just 18 months ago. Millions of Scots want to be part of both unions

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and that is why it is so important that we give the First Minister our

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support to do everything she can to secure a Scotland's place in the

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European Union. But that figure would be betrayed if at any point

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the First Minister tries to present our support for this motion as

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support for a second independent referendum.

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We will certainly be supporting the motion of the government tonight and

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I would like to make it clear that we will continue to advocate for the

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clear mandate that has been given by the people of Scotland, has

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advocated also by many of our European colleagues any number of

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different political parties, and other like to thank those in the

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European Greens today who have helped us to soften the language

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around an immediate triggering of Article 50 which would give no time

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to be serious consideration that is misery or for the contribution that

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the Scottish Government is expected to make on all of our behalf is any

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negotiation process. That process must be allowed time. I am angry

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that we have been recklessly let down this path. Angry that prices in

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shops will rise because of the higher costs of imports. That

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people's savings are falling in value. That job losses are on the

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cards. Yet it is not Boris Johnson who will suffer, Michael Gove might

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lose some money, but he has stacks more to get them by. Nigel Farage,

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he simply does not care. It is ordinary people on low and modest

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incomes that will lose out. These are the victims of this crisis and I

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hope David Cameron is feeling guilty. He should feel guilty for

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imposing the divisions of his party on the country. And that

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responsibility applies to every single Conservative in this

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Parliament, including Ruth Davidson. That was the leader

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of the Liberal Democrats, Let's cross to the parliament's

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Garden Lobby now where our political correspondent Andrew Kerr is joined

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by a group of MSPs. Andrew. Gordon, good afternoon. Of

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course, Europe dominating discussions at Holyrood. It is the

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hot topic and Michael D Higgins, the President of Ireland has been

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addressing MSPs at a special meeting of the parliament and he said that

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we must do democracy better, speaking of the language of respect

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and all of these debates. I am joined by five MSPs. Richard

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Lochhead from the SNP, Miles Briggs from the Tories, Lewis Macdonald

:22:49.:22:52.

from Labour, have a squad from the book ends and Ross Greer from the

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Green Party. Richard Lochhead, the top story today, Nicola Sturgeon in

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Brussels at the moment, what news from the First Minister? I think she

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is getting a very good reception in Brussels, meeting European leaders,

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probably a better reception than Nigel Farage got yesterday when he

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was being rather rude and arrogant in terms of how he was speaking to

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our European neighbours. She is there with a mandate from the

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Scottish Parliament after yesterday's momentous votes where

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most of the parties, apart from the Conservative Party, all the other

:23:24.:23:27.

parties got together to give a mandate to the First Minister to try

:23:28.:23:30.

to give Scotland in Europe because that is what the people voted for

:23:31.:23:34.

last week. You have that mandate but realistically, what can the First

:23:35.:23:37.

Minister actually achieve? Jean-Claude Juncker said today that

:23:38.:23:41.

the voice of Scotland would be heard in Europe but it might be heard but

:23:42.:23:47.

not acted upon? It is early days, the referendum was only last week

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and it is quite clearly, there is a well expressed by the people

:23:53.:23:55.

assortment that they have to stay in Europe, that was what they voted

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for. -- the people of Scotland. All other parties or linked together.

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The mandate is to explore all the options to see how they can stay in

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Europe because of its importance to our economy and society, how we view

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ourselves as a country and I think that is what the people of Scotland

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to see. Miles Briggs of the Conservative Party, you voted Remain

:24:20.:24:22.

but everyone in the Chamber was talking about how the Conservatives

:24:23.:24:27.

have recklessly damage the economy, merely to sort out some internal and

:24:28.:24:31.

party fighting. What was key and what the real focus in the debate

:24:32.:24:34.

yesterday achieved was to say that we really need to now get down to

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the hard work of sorting this out for the people and for our economy

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and for outward United Kingdom and that is really where the parliament,

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I felt, started to come together. It is really Kiwi that the Scottish

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Government get involved and the UK Government -- this treaty that the

:24:53.:24:54.

Scottish Government gets involved with the UK was Matt negotiations on

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this. We are trying to move forward now to get the best negotiations

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that will help support jobs and growth in the future. You are

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talking about the Scottish Government getting involved but your

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party failed to give the mandate that these other parties give to the

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First Minister. We did that because it will not help to have to parallel

:25:14.:25:17.

discussions and two parallel negotiations taking place. Scottish

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businesses need the UK Government to achieve the best result possible and

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that is where Nicola Sturgeon has an open invitation from the Prime

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Minister and the government to get deeply involved in those

:25:28.:25:30.

discussions. I met with the whiskey industry this morning to discuss

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some of the key aspects they want to pursue and it is. That is vital and

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as Conservatives in this. That is vital and as Conservatives and this

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Parliament and as the UK Parliament, we have to get down to work to

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achieve the best. But according to your colleagues every be best for

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colleagues to stay in the European Union. But the suggestion is that

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the Brexit will go ahead. The decision has been taking that the UK

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level and the European Parliament has said that it will be a UK exit.

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How we then look at our relationship with the rest of Europe including

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other countries around Europe, which are not part of the EU but are part

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of the EEA is absolutely critical. Our friends in the North Sea like

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Norway, they have a strongly of trading and the movement of people

:26:17.:26:18.

across Europe, we have to work with them. Lewis Macdonald, wherever you

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are in this debate, Jeremy Corbyn was posted missing in the fight to

:26:25.:26:32.

keep Britain in the EU. We made the case strongly yesterday that we had

:26:33.:26:36.

to work together in the Scottish Parliament to address the damage

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that has been done by irresponsible people. David Cameron will be

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remembered in history as the most reckless Prime Minister in 60 years

:26:44.:26:47.

and that is the impact seen on Audrey people across Scotland and

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Britain. The job of the Labour Party and other parties is to see what we

:26:52.:26:54.

can rescue from the wreckage and to see what we can do in order to

:26:55.:26:58.

protect Scotland's continuing place in the single market and Europe, but

:26:59.:27:02.

also Britain, because there are many other people across Britain who

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value our relationship with the EU. That has been at the very least

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seriously damaged by the responsibility of the Tories.

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Whatever action can be taken, we have to pursue it. Miles Briggs said

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there is no need for parallel tracks, that is not so, we have to

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do that to begin the benefits that we have lost. There is talk of the

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wreckage of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. There is some dubiety

:27:26.:27:31.

after questioning whether he voted Leave or remain. I think that is a

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silly points to make. Jeremy Corbyn was in Aberdeen only two beats soppy

:27:38.:27:41.

bits ago making the case for Remain telling us that for the oil and gas

:27:42.:27:45.

areas it was vital to remain in the EU. Should he go? You must have to

:27:46.:27:50.

consider what he has served from his colleagues. Should he go? He met his

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colleagues working with them. What he needs to think about and we all

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need to think about is the prospect of a general election coming very

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soon. That prospect is real and that prospect offers some hope for those

:28:05.:28:08.

of us who rejected the Conservatives. So he should go? He

:28:09.:28:09.

has to make his own decision. And in saying that they want to go

:28:10.:28:21.

back into the European Union but the people have spoken and said they did

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not want that. Gray I don't think we will be the only political party

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when that happens who will make the case to be back in the European

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Union and it be a chance for the British public, the Scottish public

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to cast a vote on that. It will be the only issue on that issue. I

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think the country desperately needs a general election. We don't have a

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Prime Minister. A Prime Minister who has been kicked out of Brussels last

:28:47.:28:49.

night on the last plane back to London. The Labour Party are not led

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at all. It is not a shambles and Westminster. The country needs an

:28:54.:28:57.

election and a new Government. What would happen to British democracy if

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that result was overturned and we went in the European Union? A

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general election is opportunity for every political party to set out its

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stall on Europe which is the issue as you rightly said on your

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introduction. It has dominated all because patients. You wouldn't know

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about anything outside and this will dominate for the next two-year is.

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We need to lie and the spoil and do it quickly and that should happen

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through a general collection. Patrick Harvie was very clear

:29:26.:29:29.

yesterday that everything had changed, the result of the

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independence referendum in 2014 did not stand. Would you support the SNP

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are going for another Scottish independence referendum? We need to

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exhaust all the options available to us to keep Scotland in Europe

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because as has already been mentioned that is what the voted

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for. Independence is visit one of those options. We would have

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supported that whether Scotland voted to remain or leave the EU but

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there are options other than independence that need to be

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explored. That is why we gave the First Minister the mandate to go to

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Brussels and explore those options. Do you think those options are

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possible? Ultimately, and another independence referendum is where

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this road leads? I personally think that we are heading towards another

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independence referendum but I thought we were heading towards

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another independence referendum whether we voted to leave or remain

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in the European Union. This may have spread that process up but the only

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responsible thing for us to do is what we bolted to do a cross-party

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yesterday which is to exhaust every option short of independence. This

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is an unprecedented situation. We do not know what is and is not possible

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so we are looking at absolutely everything. Given the noise were

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hearing from Europe today, the Spanish premier saying that it looks

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like Scotland cannot stay in the EU if the UK leaves, it is not sounding

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good perhaps for those other options. I can't wait to hear the

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feedback the Spanish fishing industry gives to their primaries to

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but aside from anything else, he just failed to win his own general

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election. We don't know if he will still be Prime Minister when we get

:31:06.:31:10.

down to these debates. The leaders of many areas of Europe are making

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very positive noises they Scotland to stay. Let's finish with the SNP

:31:16.:31:20.

about another independence referendum. How likely is it do you

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think, Richard, that we will go to the polls again for an independence

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referendum? Clearly what we need is Scotland to stand together and keep

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Scotland in Europe because that was the Democratic view of the people.

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We must explore all the options because it is unprecedented

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territory. If the only option is independence because the only other

:31:38.:31:44.

option is remaining out of Europe perhaps under the leadership of

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Boris Johnson who we did not vote for them it is a very clear option

:31:47.:31:51.

for Scotland's future to have another independence referendum but

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we have to explore all the options in the meantime. With that is,

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Gordon, back to you in the studio. Now let's cross back

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to the Chamber, where MSPs are responding to the ministerial

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statement on spending. Actually, it is still Derek Mackay

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speaking. We are actively looking at this as

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long as a whole host of other funding streams that deliver

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services and Scotland of course, many of them relate to EU funds as

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well so we will have to consider all these matters around. Ivan Micki

:32:22.:32:29.

followed by Willie Rennie. What measures will be taken to support

:32:30.:32:33.

economic growth and help Scotland's weather the economic shop is caused

:32:34.:32:40.

by Brexit. The Government has outlined our economic strategy which

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did include a focus on internationalisation and innovation

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and infrastructure led recovery as well and clearly they will all be

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impacted by the outcome of the decision. It will still focus on

:32:56.:32:59.

delivering the manifesto into which we were elected. We have made some

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will announcements on the review of the enterprise agencies. We will

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continue enabling infrastructure investment and that includes digital

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as well. We have had a competitive rate scheme and we have delivered on

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modern apprenticeships so we will look at how we can support the

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economy, deliver stability and take advantage of any opportunity that

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may exist in these uncertain times. Can I thank the cabinets bigotry

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thrown about copy of his statement. Can he provides information as to

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why the transaction arrangements, the budget has been overspend more

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this year than in previous years? He is also rightly warning about the

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potential cuts as a result of Brexit so therefore, will he the

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Government's use of income tax powers? You talked about using all

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necessary means to deal with the troubles ahead so would you consider

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a more expansive views of the income tax powers? On financial

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transactions, some of that might be to do with the uptake of particular

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schemes and the complexity of that. Again, I am happy to provide further

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information. We will have to take a strategic approach to the budget

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process in itself. What I announced and in gauge with the Finance

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committee on this morning was my view that we should take first a one

:34:34.:34:39.

year budget in Parliament. I think a three-year spending review would not

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be wise in the circumstances. But when I approach that budget process,

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I will engage with all political parties and of course, here what

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each party has to say in terms of spending choices and tax choices as

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well. We did outline our position on tax at the Scottish Parliament

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election. We were elected on that mandate. But I think with the degree

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of uncertainty that now exists, of course, we will have to look at the

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financial pressures that we face with the decisions of a Chancellor,

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whoever that may be. I spoke to the Chancellor this morning so it may be

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George Osborne or his successor, but we will have to to look at the

:35:23.:35:26.

Autumn Statement to see what the UK Government does in terms of their

:35:27.:35:30.

spending decisions as well and our taxes visions and the impact on

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Scotland. We aim to see through the manifesto under which we were

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elected but I'm happy to engage with all parties to secure the passage of

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the budget through Parliament. Thank you. Thank you to the Cabinet

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Secretary for the advance copy of his statement. The Cabinet Secretary

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mentioned the competence of the Government in managing public

:35:55.:35:57.

finances, however the significant cost overruns experienced in recent

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IT and other projects overseen by the Government and Government

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agencies including the system for EU farm payments, NHS 24, police

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Scotland and in other areas, can he please confirm the total amount of

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additional expenditure spent by the Government and Government agencies

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as a result of these cost overruns? Well, I don't have such a figure to

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hand but of course, we take very seriously our duty to look after the

:36:30.:36:35.

public finances, deliver good, solid public services and deliver sound

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procurements. I am happy to discuss further some of the challenges that

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we have had around some of those schemes that were we have had

:36:44.:36:46.

challengers, we have tried to recover the position to deliver the

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best we can for Scotland and fundamentally deliver for our people

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in some of the areas that have been identified and all I dint of bright

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areas, we have worked very hard to recover our position.

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All this gallivanting around Europe, obviously, the other political

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parties apart from the Tories seem to believe it is a good idea for

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Nicola Sturgeon to go and find out what the options are, but can you

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say there are very many options? No, I do think there is any feasible

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option. Well, too, one is that Scotland does whatever the rest of

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the UK does to see this referendum food or Scotland becomes

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independent. Those appear to me to be the only two possible outcomes

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here. I see how could be in a halfway house. Where remains part of

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the United Kingdom. It is a reverse agreement effect is what they are

:37:44.:37:47.

calling it. The difference between Greenland and Scotland are so vast

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it but I don't think it is a useful comparison. I cannot see how...

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Especially a hat when immigration and trade are the two main points

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here, how could you have different immigration and trade policy is

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working in Scotland and England were now part of the same state? It does

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not in feasible. While Nicola Sturgeon is right and the other

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parties that are backing her right to do so to examine the options, I

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spoke to one of Nicola Sturgeon's close advisers yesterday and asked

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her what these other options worth and he shrugged his shoulders and

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said he did not know. I don't think there's any... And all of these

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meetings in Europe, obviously these people like Michael Shilts and --

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Martin Schulz and Jean-Claude Juncker and they're being very

:38:40.:38:46.

polite Nicola Sturgeon, the elected leader of Scotland, but use what

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Martin Schulz said. He said he had an interesting time listening to

:38:49.:38:52.

that and learned a lot. At the end of the day, it will not be Mr

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Schulz, with all due respect, who makes any of the decisions. Nor are

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actually Mr Juncker. It will come down to what the leaders of other EU

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countries feel they can get away with themselves and we have seen

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some comments from Spain and I believe in the recent days from

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France as well saying we cannot negotiate individually with Scotland

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in ruling that out. I think basically, as we move forward in

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what will be very turbulent times, the decision will come down to what

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kind of deal the UK negotiated with Europe in the aftermath of the

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Brexit wrote and does Scotland prefer independence as an in

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alternative. The line that Martin McGuinness has been pressuring in

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Northern Ireland is almost identical, isn't it? He was asked

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the other day about his border idea but he said the main thing at the

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moment is knowing what the options are for Northern Ireland to keep its

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ties with Europe while remaining part of the United Kingdom. Almost

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the same language as Nicola Sturgeon. I think he is almost

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presenting the same strategy. It is actually a more pressing concern in

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Northern Ireland because there is a land border with the EU at the

:40:08.:40:12.

minute or the Republic of Ireland is there and that has been quite an

:40:13.:40:16.

essential part of the peace process that the EU as a kind of bigger

:40:17.:40:22.

functioning political entity has been able to help especially

:40:23.:40:27.

nationalists in Northern Ireland feel comfortable with being part of

:40:28.:40:30.

the United Kingdom because they are all within the EU and there are

:40:31.:40:34.

different processes that work between the Republic of Ireland and

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the United Kingdom. Who are you putting money on to be the next

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Prime Minister? I think as much as I dread to say it, I think Boris

:40:43.:40:46.

Johnson is the most likely option. I think Theresa May could maybe mount

:40:47.:40:54.

a bid. Stephen Crabb who was come out of the blocks today could work

:40:55.:40:58.

as a unity candidate. He is a fresh face and does not have any blood on

:40:59.:41:02.

him from the referendum battle. The trouble for anyone but Boris is this

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second stage win the members get to choose between two. If Boris is one

:41:08.:41:11.

of them, can you see anyone else beating him? I think it would be

:41:12.:41:16.

very difficult. But listen, anyone who predicts what will happen in

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British politics at the moment... In the next few months!

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Now to Prime Minister's Questions, the first since the UK voted

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As was expected, the issue dominated the session.

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But what was unexpected, was David Cameron's call

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He told the Labour leader that it was in the national interest

:41:34.:41:41.

Government figures released yesterday show the number of

:41:42.:41:47.

children living in poverty has jumped by 200,001 year. This is now

:41:48.:41:53.

what a disgraceful total of 3.5 million children in this country

:41:54.:41:57.

living in poverty. Does he now think that he should at the very least

:41:58.:42:01.

apologise to them and their parents that have been failed by his

:42:02.:42:04.

Government and do something about it so that we reduce the levels of

:42:05.:42:11.

child poverty in this country? If he wants to deal with the figures, let

:42:12.:42:17.

me give them to him. Income inequality has gone down, average

:42:18.:42:20.

incomes have grown at their fastest rate since 2001. He asks about

:42:21.:42:25.

poverty, there are 300,000 fewer people in relative poverty is and is

:42:26.:42:30.

2010. Half a million fewer people in absolute poverty since 2010. If he

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is looking for excuses about why the side he and I were on about the

:42:35.:42:39.

referendum, frankly he should look somewhere out and I have to say to

:42:40.:42:43.

the honourable gentleman, he talks about job insecurity and my two

:42:44.:42:47.

months ago. It might be in my party's him to sit there. It is not

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in the national interest and I would say, for heaven's sake, man, go!

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Yesterday, the Scottish Parliament passed a motion across the

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Parliament including the Labour Party, the Scottish Liberal

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Democrats and the Greens who all mandated the Scottish Government to

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have discussions with the UK Government, other devolved

:43:15.:43:17.

administrations, the EU institutions and member states to explore options

:43:18.:43:22.

for protecting Scotland's relationship with the, Scotland's

:43:23.:43:26.

place in the single market and the social, employment and economic

:43:27.:43:30.

benefits that come from that. Every party in the Scottish Government

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will defer that execs the Conservative Party who adds stains.

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When will the Conservatives finally join with all other parties in

:43:40.:43:43.

Scotland in protecting Scotland's place in Europe?

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The best way to secure the place of Scotland in the single market is for

:43:48.:43:55.

the United Kingdom to negotiate the closest possible relationship with

:43:56.:43:58.

the European Union, including, in my view, the closest relationship with

:43:59.:44:03.

the single market. Our membership of the EU is a UK membership and that

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is where we should take our negotiating too. I thank the Prime

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Minister for giving us last week's great exercise in democracy.

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The honourable gentleman will be heard and it is about us and this

:44:19.:44:29.

place that he will be heard. Mr Douglas Carswell. For giving us last

:44:30.:44:37.

week's great exercise in democracy. We on the Leave side should

:44:38.:44:40.

recognise that although they were the victors, it was a narrow minded

:44:41.:44:47.

with plenty of decent pack are the people voting for Remain. As Prime

:44:48.:44:49.

Minister argue with me that both sides now need to come together to

:44:50.:44:54.

achieve a new post EU national consensus, whereby we have close

:44:55.:44:57.

likes with our friends and allies in Europe and beyond, while reclaiming

:44:58.:45:04.

our sovereignty? Firstly, let me thank the honourable gentleman for

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making the point that there were people with a deep sense of packages

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on both sides of the argument. I also agree with them that it is time

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for people and our country to come together. He is also right that we

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must now work very hard on what the alternatives are because, of course,

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these were discussed and debated in the referendum campaign but were

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hypothetical alternatives. They are no real alternatives and one of the

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rows that the government can't be in the next few months is to set out

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these different blueprints, the Canada blueprint, the Swiss open,

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the Norwegian blueprint and any other ones and to look at the costs

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and benefits, so that people can make a reasoned assessment now that

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this is a real choice, rather than a hypothetical one.

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Let's go back to Westminster where David has been joined

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Thank you very much and let us bring ourselves up to date. When we were

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talking this time last week, we were talking about the referendum that

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was about to take place. Since then, athletes and Friday morning, the UK

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has voted to leave the EU, the Prime Minister has said that he is going

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to stand down. The first manager, Nicola Sturgeon, has indicated it is

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highly likely that there will be a second Scottish referendum and the

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Labour leader is under intense pressure from his MPs to stand down.

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But the fact that people are talking about another general election. Nor

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sorted then things to talk about and let me well, guests. -- Noel

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shortage. Jeremy Purvis, Alberto Costa, June Kelly and Ian Murray. --

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shoot Henry. Ian Murray, until Sunday Duberly Shadow Scottish

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Secretary, they resigned this week. Are you surprised that your party

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leader is still English? -- Hugh Henry. That is a personal decision

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for the leader of the Labour Party to make as to whether he wants to

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stay in position. It is clear that over 80% of the Parliamentary Labour

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Party want a change in leadership. It seems to me that the country

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needs a change in leadership because we have a strong opposition -- need

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a strong opposition. As Jesse Mogg has happened to this country since

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we did this TV programme last Wednesday, it is clear that the

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Tories have gambled the entire country on red but, like. We are in

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this dreadful constitutional situation that all Bercow Costa has

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spent weeks and weeks on this TV programme saying that the only party

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that could protect' Conservative Party, I hope tells us how that is

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going. -- Alberto Costa. Alberto Costa, they wanted us to

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remain in the EU at your party had a leadership contest, the Prime

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Minister and Ian Murray said, basically bet the farm and got it

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wrong. Who should be the new Conservative leader and who should

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be our next Prime Minister to take us through these issues? Let us be

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clear. The reason that Jeremy Corbyn is in such trouble is because he did

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not get the Rabo voters out to vote to remain. That is why Ian and his

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colleagues have left the Shadow Cabinet. This is not about a

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conservative issue. The United Kingdom electorate have made a clear

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decision. It is to leave the European Union. I must respect that

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and I do respect that. The important thing now is for stability and

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security and it is for my party to choose a competent and a capable

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leader that will become the Prime Minister and ensure that they built

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a very effective negotiating team made up of some of Britain's's best

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lawyers, and that includes Scottish lawyers, so that they can go to the

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EU and say that we want to remain within the single market but we want

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to acknowledge what the people of Britain have voted for, which is an

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end to uncapped immigration, the end of uncapped freedom of movement.

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You must feel left out by this. What is going on is only a minor part of

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the momentous decision that the UK took last week. One thing I would

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agree with Ian about is that this has been a reckless gamble by the

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Tory Party and it has brought us to this place today. We have work to be

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the effective opposition in the parliament during this vacuum so we

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are really busy at the moment. We are raising the issues that need to

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be raised and how we can do with jobs and the economy and going

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forward. Nicola Sturgeon is the only person in the UK that is actually

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showing any leadership and the kind of leadership that we need, which is

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about getting out there and finding the options to take us forward.

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Jeremy Purvis, we are not with you on your party want us to be but we

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are where we are. How does the UK go about starting this negotiating

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process? With difficulty. The rally team is that we are seeing everyday

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how hard this is going to be. That is why there has been a huge

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response to Tim Farron and the Lib Dems' position to say that there is

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no question about our commitment to the European Union and our

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commitment to the union with Scotland and the rest of the UK. We

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are the only party in British politics now which is unequivocally

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pro-union and pro-European Union. That is why we have had over 10,000.

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I just do not know where the Labour Party stands. Jeremy Corbyn has

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given indication that he is probed exit. Do you know how your Labour

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leader voted in the election? Do you know?

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Tim Farron was in Brussels yesterday meeting heads of government giving

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them the same message. Ian Murray, I will give you a chance to answer.

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Kezia Dugdale in her speech is the Labour Party support the First

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Minister and doing that he can to protect the interests of Scotland in

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the EU but that is not an excuse for a second referendum because the

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destination we want to get it as a party in Scotland remaining the UK

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and the European Union. That is a position that Scots voted for in two

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referendums and that is the position that we want to deliver and that is

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why we will support the Scottish First Minister in negotiations

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today. David, your viewers want stability, regardless of how they

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voted. There was a large chunk of people in Scotland that voted to

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leave, just like in the Highlands, where 55% voted to remain by 45% or

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thereabouts voted to me. So we cannot ignore the fact that there

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were a large chunk of people who said that they wanted to be. But we

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are all agreed, I did not campaign to be the EU, we are where we are,

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it is a decision that was made by the UK electorate. We have to get on

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with this and I am inviting all parties, let us get our heads down,

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let us get the best negotiating team in town and that includes the SNP

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and the Scottish Government and let us see what get from our EU

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partners. The Rouhani, at European level has it got to the ape and UK

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negotiating team? A team of all the talents, if you like. -- Drew Henry.

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Nicola Sturgeon has said that they want to look at all of the options

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to remain in the EU. We want to be involved in decisions that will be

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made for Scotland. But let us be clear, Scotland voted 62%,

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overwhelmingly, to remain in the EU. Are you including the 40 plus that

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said no? Are you telling me that the referendum on Scottish independence

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was not fair? You cannot have it both ways! People do not want to

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hear this kind of squabbling at such an important time. Let us get the

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best deal for the UK and let us move forward on this. Letting Jeremy

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Purvis. Has it got to be that it is in essence a negotiating team of all

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of the talents? -- let in. At the moment the Conservatives are telling

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us that we have to wait until October before we are any position

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start negotiating. Between now and October, there is a lot to play for,

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not only with the Scottish position, I'd agree with Drew Henry on that,

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and there is a lot with the young people, they are looking at their

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rights in the European Union. There is a lot to play for so we should

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not be closing down these words. A question I want to put two of view,

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because of what has happened and the knock-on effects for your party,

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Ian, and yours, Alberto, it is likely you will have new leaders

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both of you. Once that has been sorted and before negotiations get

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underway, do we need a general election in this country together

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whoever is in charge a mandate to go forward and take those negotiations?

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Ian Murray. That will be difficult to deliver both the fixed term

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parliaments built by the government could if they choose to go so we put

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that at or have a vote of no confidence in themselves. But we are

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all agreed that we need the best possible deal for the UK and the

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best possible deal for Scotland, that is why we have said that we

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should pause, find out where we are in this very uncertain time, and

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look to the future in terms of what we want which is to protect the

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interests of Scotland. We are pushed for time, yes or no, do we need a

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general election soon? We need stability and Ian has said but all

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of us need to get our heads down, get the negotiating team in place

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and negotiate with the EU. Scotland already has a mandate, during the

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Scottish parliamentary elections, if there was going to be a material

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change such a Scotland being dragged out of the EU against its will, then

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we could look at all the options, including a second independence

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referendum. 100,000 Conservative Party members, it would be

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fundamentally undemocratic. Thank you gentlemen, I can safely say that

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we will come back to this issue many, many times in the future. Back

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to you, Gordon. What was interesting was the fact

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that only the Lib Dems were keen on a general election. Yes, I think

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that is partly to do with the general internal state of the

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parties. The SNP have 56, they might think they will likely do that

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again. They also have two who are suspended, what happens to them? Do

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they stand again? The Tories are Reece Lyne not mad keen. I suppose

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the Lib Dems might think that they could pick something up. There is

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also a certain logic that the idea that the Lib Dems could get some

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increased support from what has happened because they are the most

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pro-European party, there are clearly a lot of people who are

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angry about what has happened and they have said that they will stand

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on a mandate to reverse the referendum result, so perhaps the

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fans the their chances to pick up a few seats. It would not be hard to

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beat the record of last year! I think that Jeremy Purvis made a

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valid point that if the Conservatives are just going to

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elect a new leader, that is likely going to be Boris Johnson, I think

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there needs to be some mandate from that government, especially if it is

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going to be negotiating the all of Britain from the EU. You said

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earlier that Jeremy Corbyn, should he hang on, you could well have a

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split in the Labour Party, which worked -- which you refer to as a

:56:46.:56:50.

member party. The parliamentary party would be everyone other than

:56:51.:56:53.

the 40 who backed Jeremy Corbyn, presumably. Perhaps not even that.

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How would that work? I have no idea. It would be very difficult.

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Everything is so chaotic at the moment, it could present itself as

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the most evil option. But if we are in a new world, because last time

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this happened, the SDP effectively walked off into political oblivion.

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But this time, would it be the splitter should they be the

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parliamentary party that what into oblivion or would it be those

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following Jeremy Corbyn? Logic would dictate, especially if Jeremy Corbyn

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was freed from any moderate influence and his membership was

:57:33.:57:35.

pushed further to the left, they would be unlikely to get any

:57:36.:57:41.

candidate elected, I would suspect, especially in the traditional Labour

:57:42.:57:44.

heartlands of England, which have shown themselves quite... But some

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of their unions appear to be on their side. Again refused but the

:57:50.:57:53.

Labour Party and you are resisting NP and you stand on that basis,

:57:54.:58:01.

there could be a bit of a backlash against the parliamentarians. They

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have to be cautious about Ukip. They could clearly do well in those areas

:58:04.:58:07.

that are considered Labour heartlands in England that have

:58:08.:58:11.

voted overwhelmingly for Leave, despite the Labour Party

:58:12.:58:15.

theoretically campaigning for Remain. Some parliamentarians have

:58:16.:58:18.

said they would have to be think that approach anyway. There are lots

:58:19.:58:24.

of moving parts. It would be cleaner if Jeremy Corbyn would stand down

:58:25.:58:28.

and that they have a leadership election to clear it up in the wash.

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It is interesting because what is at stake are to irreconcilable views of

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what Chrissie in the Labour Party means, but that has been almost

:58:38.:58:41.

since its beginning. It is a bit of a muddle. It has constantly been a

:58:42.:58:46.

compromise but we are not in a political environment. We will have

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to leave it there. That is all from us this afternoon.

:58:52.:58:54.

We'll be bringing you coverage of First Minister's Questions

:58:55.:58:56.

at noon tomorrow and I'll be back on Sunday

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