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Good afternoon and welcome to Politics Scotland. | :00:14. | :00:15. | |
Nicola Sturgeon is meeting leaders in Brussels today to find a way | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
First up was EU Parliament President Martin Schulz. | :00:21. | :00:31. | |
I listen carefully and I learned a lot. Thank you very much. And here | :00:32. | :00:39. | |
at Westminster, the Prime Minister warns MPs that there will be choppy | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
economic waters ahead now that the UK has voted to leave the EU. | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is holding a series of meetings | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
with leading EU officials on her visit to Brussels | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
She'll discuss the situation with the European Commission | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
president Jean-Claude Juncker this evening. | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
Earlier she met EU Parliament president Martin Schulz. | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
Our political correspondent Glenn Campbell is in Brussels. | :01:00. | :01:07. | |
The First Minister has a busy schedule of meetings here in | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
Brussels not least those in the European Parliament where she has | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
been seeing readers from the political groupings in parliament | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
and of course the president Martin Schulz. That follows an emergency | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
session of the European Parliament yesterday by the Scottish MEP Alyn | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
Smith said that Scotland had not let the European Union down by voting | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
remain and urged MEPs not to let Scotland down now. The First | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
Minister certainly getting a hearing here in Brussels and this is what | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
was said after her discussions with President shots. We are at a very | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
early stage of this process. I set out very clearly Scotland's desire | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
to protect our relationship with the European Union. I don't | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
underestimate the challenges that lie ahead for us to find a path and | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
this is very much an initial meeting, a series of meetings in | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
Brussels today is about people understand that Scotland, unlike | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
other parts of the United Kingdom, does not want to leave the European | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
Union. It was very much an introductory meeting and I was very | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
grateful for the president agreeing to see me. | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
I listened and they learned a lot. Thank you. There is a great of | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
sympathy for the Scottish of and's decision as the custodian tries to | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
find ways in which Scotland's winks with the EU can be maintained in the | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
event of Brexit but they are also wary about being drawn into the | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
Scottish independence debate. They regard that as a matter for domestic | :02:40. | :02:46. | |
UK politics. Later, the First Minister will meet face-to-face with | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
the president of the European Commission, John Collier Juncker. | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
She also hope to see the President of the European Doctors Cure 's been | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
sharing the summit but he decided it would not be appropriate to see her | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
at this stage that she is meeting to of the big three figures in European | :03:04. | :03:04. | |
politics. Well, Britain's vote to leave | :03:05. | :03:05. | |
the EU has triggered upheaval in the country's two | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
main political parties. The Conservatives have | :03:09. | :03:09. | |
opened up nominations, in its search for a new leader | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
to replace David Cameron. And Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
seems certain to face a challenge after insisting he would not resign, | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
despite an overwhelming Let's get a round-up of another | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
big day with our Westminster | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
correspondent David Porter. David, firstly, maybe it doesn't | :03:26. | :03:38. | |
matter what David Cameron says but did you glean anything from what he | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
did have to say today about what might happen next? What we have had | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
is an extraordinary prime ministers questions. The first and minister | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
has had to come back from an EU summit and basically say we are no | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
longer going to be in that club in the foreseeable future. David | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
Cameron then gave a more detailed statement after Prime Minister's | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
Questions in which he gave more details about what would happen. I | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
unit is being set up in the foreseeable future. David Cameron | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
then gave a more detailed statement after Prime Minister's Questions in | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
which he gave more details about what would happen. I unit is being | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
set up an The Cabinet called Oliver Robins. She was previously at the | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
Home Office but he has been so cold it to this to this commission. | :04:17. | :04:23. | |
Someone very close to the Prime Minister will be looking at things | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
initially from a political point of view but you are right to some | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
extent. It does not matter what David Cameron does at the moment | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
because within a couple of months, there will be a new Conservative | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
leader and following on from that, a new Prime Minister and it will be up | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
to the new Prime Minister and his or her team to decide exactly how they | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
do this. One thing David Cameron has been keen to do is to say there is | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
no rush to invoke the so-called article 50 which is essentially in | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
political terms a way of saying, look, let's go ahead with divorce | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
proceedings. Once you invoke that article, the clock starts ticking | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
and there is a two-year deadline to complete the negotiations. I think | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
David Cameron's view has always been, as he is not going to be Prime | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
Minister, it is only right and proper that whoever takes over from | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
him is actually the person who invokes that article and start the | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
clock ticking. I was curious because of all this talk about this unity is | :05:22. | :05:30. | |
setting up to look at all the options and so on. Let's face it, | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
the British are world champions at procrastination and muddling | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
through. I wondered if this might be an emerging strategy that someone | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
like to read may make prosciutto, to keep putting things off and putting | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
things off until the meaning of this whole thing becomes a little bit | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
ambiguous. I think you're right. People are still coming to terms if | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
you like with the sheer enormity of what happens last week. The fact | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
that for over 40 years we have been a part of the EU or its predecessor | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
at the EEC and in future we will not be part of that. People in Whitehall | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
even are still getting their heads around that and then deciding what | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
it will mean in practical terms. There is also a practical side to | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
this that when article 50 is triggered, the UK Government is then | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
going to have to find people within Government or bring them into | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
Government from the civil service and outside who are actually used to | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
taking these types of negotiations. For the past 40 years, everything to | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
do with trade and things like that has been negotiated at an EU level | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
so Britain has not had to do that and I think there is some concern, | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
is there at the moment the expertise in Whitehall to conduct these | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
negotiations? It will not just be one or two treaties, it will be many | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
negotiations on different areas going on at the same time and I | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
think there is a realisation in Whitehall but actually there are | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
going to be an for lots of people who may take part in these | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
negotiations who have never ever done anything like this before. I | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
tried to check what was happening with the Labour Party before we came | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
on air a few minutes ago, but it has probably changed since then. Yes, | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
you're right. This is not a situation which is changing our by | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
our butts minutes by minutes. I am in portcullis house which is where | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
many MPs have their offices. It is the unofficial crossroads of | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
Parliament is these days where people come and meet and as soon as | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
a figure is walking through people are asking what they believed the | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
latest on the Labour leadership is. Terms like chaos and crews and other | :07:35. | :07:42. | |
things do not tell you that half of it. We have an extraordinary | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
situation at the moment were the Labour MPs are openly at war with | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
their reader. 75% of Labour MPs voted in a secret ballot for a | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
motion of no-confidence in Jeremy Corbyn. He says that does not | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
matter. He is going to stay because he has the support of Labour Party | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
members in the Hall of the country and he says that he wants to tough | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
it out but only to date, we have had Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown, Harriet | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
Harman, Margaret Beckett, all people at some point to have led the Labour | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
Party saying that his position is now untenable. It is very difficult | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
to see how he can get through this and particularly how he can get | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
through this without some kind of leadership challenge. And of course, | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
not to be outdone in the Department of ferret and Saxton, the Tories are | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
about to start a leadership contest as well. Yes, it's a bit like buses. | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
You wait frame leadership challenge to come along and then two come | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
along at once. Nominations for the Tory readership will open a little | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
later on this afternoon and will close at midday tomorrow. We know | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
already that Stephen Crabb has put his name forward and he is being | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
supported by savage avid. We also know that it is taken as read that | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
Boris Johnson is going to run as indeed is Theresa May, the Home | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
Secretary. We have a good idea of three of those. We do not know how | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
large the field will be. There will be a series of votes and then it | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
will be up to MPs to whittle that down to two. Goes to war then go in | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
a run-off and it will be one of them who will be the next Conservative | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
leader and the next Prime Minister, decided by the Tory party membership | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
as a whole. That process will conclude by September the 9th when | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
we will have a new Tory leader and a new Prime Minister. Quite who the | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
Labour leader will be at that time, I haven't a clue! Don't go away. | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
We'll come back to you later on. The Daily Record's political editor, | :09:47. | :09:48. | |
David Clegg is with me today. Is there anyone who could say to | :09:49. | :10:00. | |
Jeremy Corbyn, Jeremy, you need to go and he would take that series | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
the? Maybe John McDonnell I suppose. His closest ally. It is clear that | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
he is not listening to pretty much anyone at the moment when you have | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown and even David Cameron suggesting that it is | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
time to go. The fact that he is holding off. Mac but Easter has a | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
trump card. If you have another leadership contest, he will win. All | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
those people who join the Labour Party, I know the MPs say that they | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
are out of touch with the people they represent but the point is that | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
they get to vote on who the next leader is. I think if he is on the | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
ballot paper, it is likely that he would win given that there does not | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
seem to have been much of a shift from that hard left group who joins | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
specifically to make Jeremy Corbyn reader. The ?3 members as they are | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
known. However, if they can somehow keep him off the ballot paper, that | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
is perhaps what they are aiming for as an endgame is here because it | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
seems the only way they are going to get a different leader is to... | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
Would they really care if these other members shifted off? The MPs | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
that I have talked to have absolute contempt for the people who voted | :11:17. | :11:18. | |
for Jeremy Corbyn. They do not want to be in the same party as them. I | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
honestly think they are in the way where if Corbyn continues, there | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
will be a Parliamentary reader party and then a membership leader party | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
that are effectively two distinct groups at the minutes. We will | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
return to that later. The The political system may | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
be in turmoil but it's business almost as usual | :11:40. | :11:41. | |
in the Scottish Parliament today. Finance Secretary Derek Mackay | :11:42. | :11:43. | |
is about to update MSPs on the budget and what's been spent | :11:44. | :11:45. | |
so far - which we understand is, But nothing happens in a vacuum | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
so it's likely there'll be Well, let's see as we cross | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
to the chamber live. although there may be no emergency | :11:54. | :12:02. | |
budget, there will inevitably be budget adjustments by the new UK | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
Government. The scale of these adjustments we do not know. Residing | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
officer, I will now turn to provisional outturn for 2015-16. | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
Financial year 2015-16 represented the final year of the 2010 spending | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
review settlement which saw the Scottish Government's discretionary | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
budget fall by almost ten... Within that, it fell by almost a quarter. | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
It also represented the first year that the Scottish parliament became | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
responsible for landfill tax and the land and building transaction tax | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
and being the first finance minister in Scotland for over 300 years to | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
set national taxes, my predecessor adopted a fair and progressive | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
approach to rates and bands. That principled approach to taxation is | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
one I plan to replicate over the course of this Parliament. Under the | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
current devilish and settlement, the Scottish parliament is not allowed | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
to overspend its current budget. As a consequence, we have control | :13:05. | :13:06. | |
public spending sure to ensure we live within the budget caps that are | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
applied but remain able to carry forward some spending power | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
resources for our future year. That's prudent strategy has proven | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
to be the right one, particularly in light of last Friday's events. | :13:19. | :13:27. | |
In 2015 and 2016 the Scottish Government has shown a fine grip on | :13:28. | :13:35. | |
its finances. The resources for which this parliament has | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
discretion, the provisional outturn for 2015 and 2016 is expenditure of | :13:40. | :13:47. | |
29,000 160 million against the limit of a much greater amine. This means | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
there is a festival cash underspent of ?65 million. ?40 million in | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
capital spending, that represents just 0.4% of the total fiscal | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
budget. Although the sums are carried forward into 2016 and 2017. | :14:02. | :14:09. | |
There is also provisional outturn underspent ?40 million in respect of | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
financial transactions, that are set by HM Treasury and ring fenced for | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
loans and equity investment outside the public sector. Again this is | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
carried forward into 2016 and 2017. Overall, including financial | :14:24. | :14:26. | |
transactions, this means that we will carry forward the .5% of the | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
total 2015 and 2016 cash budget. The sums are carried forward using the | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
Treasury budget exchange facility agreed under the last pending | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
review. This will ensure there is no loss of spending power to the | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
Scottish Parliament. Given the considerable uncertainty that has | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
now been created as a result of the EU referendum vote, I do not intend | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
to rush into immediate decisions on the deployment of such resources. | :14:54. | :14:55. | |
Instead I will consider their deployment when is as appropriate to | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
do so, taking account of the prevailing economic conditions and | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
in full consideration of need and spending pressures. Turning to the | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
non-discretionary elements of our budget, the non-cash provision which | :15:11. | :15:12. | |
I would remind Parliament once again cannot be used for purchase goods | :15:13. | :15:20. | |
and deliverable services, expenditure is lower than ?130 | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
million, consistent with previous years and as the descriptive digest, | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
such resources are not cash in nature but rather provide specific | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
budget cover for differences between estimated accounting adjustments and | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
the final amounts calculated. Over ?80 million of the total relates to | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
a lower than expected write-down of the carrying value into the student | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
loan book. This is an accounting of judgment and has no cash | :15:47. | :15:48. | |
consequences. Other uses for this budget include the deep Jason and | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
attainment of assets, all of which have no cars consequence. Under | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
devolved powers from the 23rd of Scotland Act and as I have already | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
indicated, 2015 and 2016 was the first year in which devolved taxes | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
and respect of land and building transactions tax have been managed | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
in Scotland. A total of ?572 million has been collected, some ?74 million | :16:14. | :16:19. | |
above the initial estimates. Again, recognising the uncertainty that has | :16:20. | :16:22. | |
been created in the economy, I have also decided to take a prudent view | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
of the deployment of these resources. I am mindful, in | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
particular, of the impact of the EU referendum decision on property | :16:32. | :16:33. | |
transactions and the need to manage potential volatility in future tax | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
revenues. The addition of taxes will therefore be placed in a Scottish | :16:39. | :16:45. | |
cash reserve and youth facility created by the 2012 act which allows | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
excess tax receipts are both forecast to be held for greater | :16:49. | :16:49. | |
deployment. The Finance Secretary Derek | :16:50. | :16:59. | |
Mackay speaking there. We'll be back to hear more business | :17:00. | :17:01. | |
in the Chamber a little later. Now yesterday the First Minister | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
received the backing of a majority of MSPs to explore every option | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
to retain Scotland's relationship Labour, the Greens and the Liberal | :17:08. | :17:09. | |
Democrats all supported the motion but the Conservatives abstained | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
along with one pro-Leave Labour MSP, citing concerns about another | :17:14. | :17:15. | |
Scottish independence referendum. But the First Minister assured MSPs | :17:16. | :17:17. | |
the motion they were voting on The Prime Minister gave me a | :17:18. | :17:29. | |
commitment on Friday morning to the full engagement of the Scottish | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
Government and to ensure that the interests of all parts of the UK are | :17:33. | :17:38. | |
protected and advanced. I seek the authority of Parliament today to | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
hold the Prime Minister and his successor to that commitment. I will | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
make an initial visit to Brussels to set up the position of Scotland and | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
its interest representatives of the major groups in the European | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
Parliament anti-depressant of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
is. I would expect to give from the Prime Minister on the outcome of the | :17:55. | :17:56. | |
European Council meeting taking place this week and following that I | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
intend to set up the position of Scotland directly to the European | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
Commission. We have got a great deal of what to do both in government and | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
indeed as a Parliament to set out and evaluate all the impacts of the | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
referendum result and the options open to open to Scotland to secure | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
our relationship with the European Union. For that reason I am | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
establishing a standing Council of experts to provide advice to me and | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
to meet government on how best to achieve our EU objectives. I want to | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
be clear to Parliament that while I believe independence is the best | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
option for Scotland, I do not think that will come as a surprise to | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
anyone. It is not my starting point in these discussions. My starting | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
point is to protect Scotland's interests and to protect our | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
relationship with you. To ensure that the option of holding a | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
referendum within the timetable of the UK weaving the EU is viable, we | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
will now prepare the legislation. The Scottish Government wants to | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
explore Scotland's options from within the UK, we can support on | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
that. But after the speech we have concerns of the approach of the | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
Scottish Government in the day since the result. I cannot ignore the fact | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
that within hours of the vote becoming clear on Friday morning, | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
the Scottish Government had posed questions regarding independence | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
from an centre. The First Minister speaks of able in Scotland worried | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
and outraged by the result of the EU vote. But I feel duty bound to speak | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
up for the many people of Scotland to have contacted myself and my | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
colleagues to say that they are concerned, deeply worried about the | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
prospect of another referendum on independence. That is why we have | :19:37. | :19:39. | |
included our opposition to this prospect in our amendments today. We | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
do not dampen the shock waves caused by one referendum by lighting the | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
fuse for another, nor by saying that the economic impact of leaving one | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
union means that you should sever ties with the greater union, whose | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
new you include eclipses the former many times over. We did not vote in | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
communities, constituencies, towns and nations, we voted as one | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
country, the UK. A country that we as Scots reaffirmed our commitment | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
to just 18 months ago. Millions of Scots want to be part of both unions | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
and that is why it is so important that we give the First Minister our | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
support to do everything she can to secure a Scotland's place in the | :20:22. | :20:23. | |
European Union. But that figure would be betrayed if at any point | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
the First Minister tries to present our support for this motion as | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
support for a second independent referendum. | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
We will certainly be supporting the motion of the government tonight and | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
I would like to make it clear that we will continue to advocate for the | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
clear mandate that has been given by the people of Scotland, has | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
advocated also by many of our European colleagues any number of | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
different political parties, and other like to thank those in the | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
European Greens today who have helped us to soften the language | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
around an immediate triggering of Article 50 which would give no time | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
to be serious consideration that is misery or for the contribution that | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
the Scottish Government is expected to make on all of our behalf is any | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
negotiation process. That process must be allowed time. I am angry | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
that we have been recklessly let down this path. Angry that prices in | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
shops will rise because of the higher costs of imports. That | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
people's savings are falling in value. That job losses are on the | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
cards. Yet it is not Boris Johnson who will suffer, Michael Gove might | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
lose some money, but he has stacks more to get them by. Nigel Farage, | :21:38. | :21:45. | |
he simply does not care. It is ordinary people on low and modest | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
incomes that will lose out. These are the victims of this crisis and I | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
hope David Cameron is feeling guilty. He should feel guilty for | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
imposing the divisions of his party on the country. And that | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
responsibility applies to every single Conservative in this | :22:07. | :22:07. | |
Parliament, including Ruth Davidson. That was the leader | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
of the Liberal Democrats, Let's cross to the parliament's | :22:11. | :22:12. | |
Garden Lobby now where our political correspondent Andrew Kerr is joined | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
by a group of MSPs. Andrew. Gordon, good afternoon. Of | :22:17. | :22:26. | |
course, Europe dominating discussions at Holyrood. It is the | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
hot topic and Michael D Higgins, the President of Ireland has been | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
addressing MSPs at a special meeting of the parliament and he said that | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
we must do democracy better, speaking of the language of respect | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
and all of these debates. I am joined by five MSPs. Richard | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
Lochhead from the SNP, Miles Briggs from the Tories, Lewis Macdonald | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
from Labour, have a squad from the book ends and Ross Greer from the | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
Green Party. Richard Lochhead, the top story today, Nicola Sturgeon in | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
Brussels at the moment, what news from the First Minister? I think she | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
is getting a very good reception in Brussels, meeting European leaders, | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
probably a better reception than Nigel Farage got yesterday when he | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
was being rather rude and arrogant in terms of how he was speaking to | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
our European neighbours. She is there with a mandate from the | :23:17. | :23:19. | |
Scottish Parliament after yesterday's momentous votes where | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
most of the parties, apart from the Conservative Party, all the other | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
parties got together to give a mandate to the First Minister to try | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
to give Scotland in Europe because that is what the people voted for | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
last week. You have that mandate but realistically, what can the First | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
Minister actually achieve? Jean-Claude Juncker said today that | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
the voice of Scotland would be heard in Europe but it might be heard but | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
not acted upon? It is early days, the referendum was only last week | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
and it is quite clearly, there is a well expressed by the people | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
assortment that they have to stay in Europe, that was what they voted | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
for. -- the people of Scotland. All other parties or linked together. | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
The mandate is to explore all the options to see how they can stay in | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
Europe because of its importance to our economy and society, how we view | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
ourselves as a country and I think that is what the people of Scotland | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
to see. Miles Briggs of the Conservative Party, you voted Remain | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
but everyone in the Chamber was talking about how the Conservatives | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
have recklessly damage the economy, merely to sort out some internal and | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
party fighting. What was key and what the real focus in the debate | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
yesterday achieved was to say that we really need to now get down to | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
the hard work of sorting this out for the people and for our economy | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
and for outward United Kingdom and that is really where the parliament, | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
I felt, started to come together. It is really Kiwi that the Scottish | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
Government get involved and the UK Government -- this treaty that the | :24:53. | :24:54. | |
Scottish Government gets involved with the UK was Matt negotiations on | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
this. We are trying to move forward now to get the best negotiations | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
that will help support jobs and growth in the future. You are | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
talking about the Scottish Government getting involved but your | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
party failed to give the mandate that these other parties give to the | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
First Minister. We did that because it will not help to have to parallel | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
discussions and two parallel negotiations taking place. Scottish | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
businesses need the UK Government to achieve the best result possible and | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
that is where Nicola Sturgeon has an open invitation from the Prime | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
Minister and the government to get deeply involved in those | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
discussions. I met with the whiskey industry this morning to discuss | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
some of the key aspects they want to pursue and it is. That is vital and | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
as Conservatives in this. That is vital and as Conservatives and this | :25:38. | :25:39. | |
Parliament and as the UK Parliament, we have to get down to work to | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
achieve the best. But according to your colleagues every be best for | :25:46. | :25:47. | |
colleagues to stay in the European Union. But the suggestion is that | :25:48. | :25:54. | |
the Brexit will go ahead. The decision has been taking that the UK | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
level and the European Parliament has said that it will be a UK exit. | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
How we then look at our relationship with the rest of Europe including | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
other countries around Europe, which are not part of the EU but are part | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
of the EEA is absolutely critical. Our friends in the North Sea like | :26:14. | :26:16. | |
Norway, they have a strongly of trading and the movement of people | :26:17. | :26:18. | |
across Europe, we have to work with them. Lewis Macdonald, wherever you | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
are in this debate, Jeremy Corbyn was posted missing in the fight to | :26:25. | :26:32. | |
keep Britain in the EU. We made the case strongly yesterday that we had | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
to work together in the Scottish Parliament to address the damage | :26:37. | :26:39. | |
that has been done by irresponsible people. David Cameron will be | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
remembered in history as the most reckless Prime Minister in 60 years | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
and that is the impact seen on Audrey people across Scotland and | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
Britain. The job of the Labour Party and other parties is to see what we | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
can rescue from the wreckage and to see what we can do in order to | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
protect Scotland's continuing place in the single market and Europe, but | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
also Britain, because there are many other people across Britain who | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
value our relationship with the EU. That has been at the very least | :27:08. | :27:09. | |
seriously damaged by the responsibility of the Tories. | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
Whatever action can be taken, we have to pursue it. Miles Briggs said | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
there is no need for parallel tracks, that is not so, we have to | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
do that to begin the benefits that we have lost. There is talk of the | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
wreckage of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. There is some dubiety | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
after questioning whether he voted Leave or remain. I think that is a | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
silly points to make. Jeremy Corbyn was in Aberdeen only two beats soppy | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
bits ago making the case for Remain telling us that for the oil and gas | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
areas it was vital to remain in the EU. Should he go? You must have to | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
consider what he has served from his colleagues. Should he go? He met his | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
colleagues working with them. What he needs to think about and we all | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
need to think about is the prospect of a general election coming very | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
soon. That prospect is real and that prospect offers some hope for those | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
of us who rejected the Conservatives. So he should go? He | :28:09. | :28:09. | |
has to make his own decision. And in saying that they want to go | :28:10. | :28:21. | |
back into the European Union but the people have spoken and said they did | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
not want that. Gray I don't think we will be the only political party | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
when that happens who will make the case to be back in the European | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
Union and it be a chance for the British public, the Scottish public | :28:34. | :28:36. | |
to cast a vote on that. It will be the only issue on that issue. I | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
think the country desperately needs a general election. We don't have a | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
Prime Minister. A Prime Minister who has been kicked out of Brussels last | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
night on the last plane back to London. The Labour Party are not led | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
at all. It is not a shambles and Westminster. The country needs an | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
election and a new Government. What would happen to British democracy if | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
that result was overturned and we went in the European Union? A | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
general election is opportunity for every political party to set out its | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
stall on Europe which is the issue as you rightly said on your | :29:12. | :29:14. | |
introduction. It has dominated all because patients. You wouldn't know | :29:15. | :29:17. | |
about anything outside and this will dominate for the next two-year is. | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
We need to lie and the spoil and do it quickly and that should happen | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
through a general collection. Patrick Harvie was very clear | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
yesterday that everything had changed, the result of the | :29:30. | :29:32. | |
independence referendum in 2014 did not stand. Would you support the SNP | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
are going for another Scottish independence referendum? We need to | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
exhaust all the options available to us to keep Scotland in Europe | :29:42. | :29:43. | |
because as has already been mentioned that is what the voted | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
for. Independence is visit one of those options. We would have | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
supported that whether Scotland voted to remain or leave the EU but | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
there are options other than independence that need to be | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
explored. That is why we gave the First Minister the mandate to go to | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
Brussels and explore those options. Do you think those options are | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
possible? Ultimately, and another independence referendum is where | :30:10. | :30:12. | |
this road leads? I personally think that we are heading towards another | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
independence referendum but I thought we were heading towards | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
another independence referendum whether we voted to leave or remain | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
in the European Union. This may have spread that process up but the only | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
responsible thing for us to do is what we bolted to do a cross-party | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
yesterday which is to exhaust every option short of independence. This | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
is an unprecedented situation. We do not know what is and is not possible | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
so we are looking at absolutely everything. Given the noise were | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
hearing from Europe today, the Spanish premier saying that it looks | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
like Scotland cannot stay in the EU if the UK leaves, it is not sounding | :30:50. | :30:52. | |
good perhaps for those other options. I can't wait to hear the | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
feedback the Spanish fishing industry gives to their primaries to | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
but aside from anything else, he just failed to win his own general | :31:00. | :31:05. | |
election. We don't know if he will still be Prime Minister when we get | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
down to these debates. The leaders of many areas of Europe are making | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
very positive noises they Scotland to stay. Let's finish with the SNP | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
about another independence referendum. How likely is it do you | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
think, Richard, that we will go to the polls again for an independence | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
referendum? Clearly what we need is Scotland to stand together and keep | :31:30. | :31:31. | |
Scotland in Europe because that was the Democratic view of the people. | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
We must explore all the options because it is unprecedented | :31:36. | :31:37. | |
territory. If the only option is independence because the only other | :31:38. | :31:44. | |
option is remaining out of Europe perhaps under the leadership of | :31:45. | :31:46. | |
Boris Johnson who we did not vote for them it is a very clear option | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
for Scotland's future to have another independence referendum but | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
we have to explore all the options in the meantime. With that is, | :31:55. | :31:56. | |
Gordon, back to you in the studio. Now let's cross back | :31:57. | :31:58. | |
to the Chamber, where MSPs are responding to the ministerial | :31:59. | :31:59. | |
statement on spending. Actually, it is still Derek Mackay | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
speaking. We are actively looking at this as | :32:06. | :32:14. | |
long as a whole host of other funding streams that deliver | :32:15. | :32:17. | |
services and Scotland of course, many of them relate to EU funds as | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
well so we will have to consider all these matters around. Ivan Micki | :32:22. | :32:29. | |
followed by Willie Rennie. What measures will be taken to support | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
economic growth and help Scotland's weather the economic shop is caused | :32:34. | :32:40. | |
by Brexit. The Government has outlined our economic strategy which | :32:41. | :32:48. | |
did include a focus on internationalisation and innovation | :32:49. | :32:51. | |
and infrastructure led recovery as well and clearly they will all be | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
impacted by the outcome of the decision. It will still focus on | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
delivering the manifesto into which we were elected. We have made some | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
will announcements on the review of the enterprise agencies. We will | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
continue enabling infrastructure investment and that includes digital | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
as well. We have had a competitive rate scheme and we have delivered on | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
modern apprenticeships so we will look at how we can support the | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
economy, deliver stability and take advantage of any opportunity that | :33:23. | :33:29. | |
may exist in these uncertain times. Can I thank the cabinets bigotry | :33:30. | :33:36. | |
thrown about copy of his statement. Can he provides information as to | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
why the transaction arrangements, the budget has been overspend more | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
this year than in previous years? He is also rightly warning about the | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
potential cuts as a result of Brexit so therefore, will he the | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
Government's use of income tax powers? You talked about using all | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
necessary means to deal with the troubles ahead so would you consider | :33:59. | :34:00. | |
a more expansive views of the income tax powers? On financial | :34:01. | :34:07. | |
transactions, some of that might be to do with the uptake of particular | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
schemes and the complexity of that. Again, I am happy to provide further | :34:15. | :34:20. | |
information. We will have to take a strategic approach to the budget | :34:21. | :34:29. | |
process in itself. What I announced and in gauge with the Finance | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
committee on this morning was my view that we should take first a one | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
year budget in Parliament. I think a three-year spending review would not | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
be wise in the circumstances. But when I approach that budget process, | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
I will engage with all political parties and of course, here what | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
each party has to say in terms of spending choices and tax choices as | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
well. We did outline our position on tax at the Scottish Parliament | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
election. We were elected on that mandate. But I think with the degree | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
of uncertainty that now exists, of course, we will have to look at the | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
financial pressures that we face with the decisions of a Chancellor, | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
whoever that may be. I spoke to the Chancellor this morning so it may be | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
George Osborne or his successor, but we will have to to look at the | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
Autumn Statement to see what the UK Government does in terms of their | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
spending decisions as well and our taxes visions and the impact on | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
Scotland. We aim to see through the manifesto under which we were | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
elected but I'm happy to engage with all parties to secure the passage of | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
the budget through Parliament. Thank you. Thank you to the Cabinet | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
Secretary for the advance copy of his statement. The Cabinet Secretary | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
mentioned the competence of the Government in managing public | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
finances, however the significant cost overruns experienced in recent | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
IT and other projects overseen by the Government and Government | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
agencies including the system for EU farm payments, NHS 24, police | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
Scotland and in other areas, can he please confirm the total amount of | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
additional expenditure spent by the Government and Government agencies | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
as a result of these cost overruns? Well, I don't have such a figure to | :36:22. | :36:29. | |
hand but of course, we take very seriously our duty to look after the | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
public finances, deliver good, solid public services and deliver sound | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
procurements. I am happy to discuss further some of the challenges that | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
we have had around some of those schemes that were we have had | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
challengers, we have tried to recover the position to deliver the | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
best we can for Scotland and fundamentally deliver for our people | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
in some of the areas that have been identified and all I dint of bright | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
areas, we have worked very hard to recover our position. | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
All this gallivanting around Europe, obviously, the other political | :37:02. | :37:10. | |
parties apart from the Tories seem to believe it is a good idea for | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
Nicola Sturgeon to go and find out what the options are, but can you | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
say there are very many options? No, I do think there is any feasible | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
option. Well, too, one is that Scotland does whatever the rest of | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
the UK does to see this referendum food or Scotland becomes | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
independent. Those appear to me to be the only two possible outcomes | :37:32. | :37:37. | |
here. I see how could be in a halfway house. Where remains part of | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
the United Kingdom. It is a reverse agreement effect is what they are | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
calling it. The difference between Greenland and Scotland are so vast | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
it but I don't think it is a useful comparison. I cannot see how... | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
Especially a hat when immigration and trade are the two main points | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
here, how could you have different immigration and trade policy is | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
working in Scotland and England were now part of the same state? It does | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
not in feasible. While Nicola Sturgeon is right and the other | :38:10. | :38:11. | |
parties that are backing her right to do so to examine the options, I | :38:12. | :38:20. | |
spoke to one of Nicola Sturgeon's close advisers yesterday and asked | :38:21. | :38:22. | |
her what these other options worth and he shrugged his shoulders and | :38:23. | :38:29. | |
said he did not know. I don't think there's any... And all of these | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
meetings in Europe, obviously these people like Michael Shilts and -- | :38:34. | :38:39. | |
Martin Schulz and Jean-Claude Juncker and they're being very | :38:40. | :38:46. | |
polite Nicola Sturgeon, the elected leader of Scotland, but use what | :38:47. | :38:48. | |
Martin Schulz said. He said he had an interesting time listening to | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
that and learned a lot. At the end of the day, it will not be Mr | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
Schulz, with all due respect, who makes any of the decisions. Nor are | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
actually Mr Juncker. It will come down to what the leaders of other EU | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
countries feel they can get away with themselves and we have seen | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
some comments from Spain and I believe in the recent days from | :39:09. | :39:16. | |
France as well saying we cannot negotiate individually with Scotland | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
in ruling that out. I think basically, as we move forward in | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
what will be very turbulent times, the decision will come down to what | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
kind of deal the UK negotiated with Europe in the aftermath of the | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
Brexit wrote and does Scotland prefer independence as an in | :39:32. | :39:38. | |
alternative. The line that Martin McGuinness has been pressuring in | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
Northern Ireland is almost identical, isn't it? He was asked | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
the other day about his border idea but he said the main thing at the | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
moment is knowing what the options are for Northern Ireland to keep its | :39:51. | :39:53. | |
ties with Europe while remaining part of the United Kingdom. Almost | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
the same language as Nicola Sturgeon. I think he is almost | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
presenting the same strategy. It is actually a more pressing concern in | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
Northern Ireland because there is a land border with the EU at the | :40:08. | :40:12. | |
minute or the Republic of Ireland is there and that has been quite an | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
essential part of the peace process that the EU as a kind of bigger | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
functioning political entity has been able to help especially | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
nationalists in Northern Ireland feel comfortable with being part of | :40:28. | :40:30. | |
the United Kingdom because they are all within the EU and there are | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
different processes that work between the Republic of Ireland and | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
the United Kingdom. Who are you putting money on to be the next | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
Prime Minister? I think as much as I dread to say it, I think Boris | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
Johnson is the most likely option. I think Theresa May could maybe mount | :40:47. | :40:54. | |
a bid. Stephen Crabb who was come out of the blocks today could work | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
as a unity candidate. He is a fresh face and does not have any blood on | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
him from the referendum battle. The trouble for anyone but Boris is this | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
second stage win the members get to choose between two. If Boris is one | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
of them, can you see anyone else beating him? I think it would be | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
very difficult. But listen, anyone who predicts what will happen in | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
British politics at the moment... In the next few months! | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
Now to Prime Minister's Questions, the first since the UK voted | :41:26. | :41:28. | |
As was expected, the issue dominated the session. | :41:29. | :41:31. | |
But what was unexpected, was David Cameron's call | :41:32. | :41:33. | |
He told the Labour leader that it was in the national interest | :41:34. | :41:41. | |
Government figures released yesterday show the number of | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
children living in poverty has jumped by 200,001 year. This is now | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
what a disgraceful total of 3.5 million children in this country | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
living in poverty. Does he now think that he should at the very least | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
apologise to them and their parents that have been failed by his | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
Government and do something about it so that we reduce the levels of | :42:05. | :42:11. | |
child poverty in this country? If he wants to deal with the figures, let | :42:12. | :42:17. | |
me give them to him. Income inequality has gone down, average | :42:18. | :42:20. | |
incomes have grown at their fastest rate since 2001. He asks about | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
poverty, there are 300,000 fewer people in relative poverty is and is | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
2010. Half a million fewer people in absolute poverty since 2010. If he | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
is looking for excuses about why the side he and I were on about the | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
referendum, frankly he should look somewhere out and I have to say to | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
the honourable gentleman, he talks about job insecurity and my two | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
months ago. It might be in my party's him to sit there. It is not | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
in the national interest and I would say, for heaven's sake, man, go! | :42:53. | :43:02. | |
Yesterday, the Scottish Parliament passed a motion across the | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
Parliament including the Labour Party, the Scottish Liberal | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
Democrats and the Greens who all mandated the Scottish Government to | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
have discussions with the UK Government, other devolved | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
administrations, the EU institutions and member states to explore options | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
for protecting Scotland's relationship with the, Scotland's | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
place in the single market and the social, employment and economic | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
benefits that come from that. Every party in the Scottish Government | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
will defer that execs the Conservative Party who adds stains. | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
When will the Conservatives finally join with all other parties in | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
Scotland in protecting Scotland's place in Europe? | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
The best way to secure the place of Scotland in the single market is for | :43:48. | :43:55. | |
the United Kingdom to negotiate the closest possible relationship with | :43:56. | :43:58. | |
the European Union, including, in my view, the closest relationship with | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
the single market. Our membership of the EU is a UK membership and that | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
is where we should take our negotiating too. I thank the Prime | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
Minister for giving us last week's great exercise in democracy. | :44:12. | :44:18. | |
The honourable gentleman will be heard and it is about us and this | :44:19. | :44:29. | |
place that he will be heard. Mr Douglas Carswell. For giving us last | :44:30. | :44:37. | |
week's great exercise in democracy. We on the Leave side should | :44:38. | :44:40. | |
recognise that although they were the victors, it was a narrow minded | :44:41. | :44:47. | |
with plenty of decent pack are the people voting for Remain. As Prime | :44:48. | :44:49. | |
Minister argue with me that both sides now need to come together to | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
achieve a new post EU national consensus, whereby we have close | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
likes with our friends and allies in Europe and beyond, while reclaiming | :44:58. | :45:04. | |
our sovereignty? Firstly, let me thank the honourable gentleman for | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
making the point that there were people with a deep sense of packages | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
on both sides of the argument. I also agree with them that it is time | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
for people and our country to come together. He is also right that we | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
must now work very hard on what the alternatives are because, of course, | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
these were discussed and debated in the referendum campaign but were | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
hypothetical alternatives. They are no real alternatives and one of the | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
rows that the government can't be in the next few months is to set out | :45:33. | :45:41. | |
these different blueprints, the Canada blueprint, the Swiss open, | :45:42. | :45:44. | |
the Norwegian blueprint and any other ones and to look at the costs | :45:45. | :45:47. | |
and benefits, so that people can make a reasoned assessment now that | :45:48. | :45:50. | |
this is a real choice, rather than a hypothetical one. | :45:51. | :45:50. | |
Let's go back to Westminster where David has been joined | :45:51. | :45:53. | |
Thank you very much and let us bring ourselves up to date. When we were | :45:54. | :46:01. | |
talking this time last week, we were talking about the referendum that | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
was about to take place. Since then, athletes and Friday morning, the UK | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
has voted to leave the EU, the Prime Minister has said that he is going | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
to stand down. The first manager, Nicola Sturgeon, has indicated it is | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
highly likely that there will be a second Scottish referendum and the | :46:21. | :46:22. | |
Labour leader is under intense pressure from his MPs to stand down. | :46:23. | :46:27. | |
But the fact that people are talking about another general election. Nor | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
sorted then things to talk about and let me well, guests. -- Noel | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
shortage. Jeremy Purvis, Alberto Costa, June Kelly and Ian Murray. -- | :46:39. | :46:47. | |
shoot Henry. Ian Murray, until Sunday Duberly Shadow Scottish | :46:48. | :46:49. | |
Secretary, they resigned this week. Are you surprised that your party | :46:50. | :46:54. | |
leader is still English? -- Hugh Henry. That is a personal decision | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
for the leader of the Labour Party to make as to whether he wants to | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
stay in position. It is clear that over 80% of the Parliamentary Labour | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
Party want a change in leadership. It seems to me that the country | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
needs a change in leadership because we have a strong opposition -- need | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
a strong opposition. As Jesse Mogg has happened to this country since | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
we did this TV programme last Wednesday, it is clear that the | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
Tories have gambled the entire country on red but, like. We are in | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
this dreadful constitutional situation that all Bercow Costa has | :47:28. | :47:30. | |
spent weeks and weeks on this TV programme saying that the only party | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
that could protect' Conservative Party, I hope tells us how that is | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
going. -- Alberto Costa. Alberto Costa, they wanted us to | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
remain in the EU at your party had a leadership contest, the Prime | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
Minister and Ian Murray said, basically bet the farm and got it | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
wrong. Who should be the new Conservative leader and who should | :47:56. | :47:58. | |
be our next Prime Minister to take us through these issues? Let us be | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
clear. The reason that Jeremy Corbyn is in such trouble is because he did | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
not get the Rabo voters out to vote to remain. That is why Ian and his | :48:07. | :48:11. | |
colleagues have left the Shadow Cabinet. This is not about a | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
conservative issue. The United Kingdom electorate have made a clear | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
decision. It is to leave the European Union. I must respect that | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
and I do respect that. The important thing now is for stability and | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
security and it is for my party to choose a competent and a capable | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
leader that will become the Prime Minister and ensure that they built | :48:33. | :48:34. | |
a very effective negotiating team made up of some of Britain's's best | :48:35. | :48:40. | |
lawyers, and that includes Scottish lawyers, so that they can go to the | :48:41. | :48:43. | |
EU and say that we want to remain within the single market but we want | :48:44. | :48:46. | |
to acknowledge what the people of Britain have voted for, which is an | :48:47. | :48:53. | |
end to uncapped immigration, the end of uncapped freedom of movement. | :48:54. | :49:00. | |
You must feel left out by this. What is going on is only a minor part of | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
the momentous decision that the UK took last week. One thing I would | :49:05. | :49:10. | |
agree with Ian about is that this has been a reckless gamble by the | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
Tory Party and it has brought us to this place today. We have work to be | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
the effective opposition in the parliament during this vacuum so we | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
are really busy at the moment. We are raising the issues that need to | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
be raised and how we can do with jobs and the economy and going | :49:28. | :49:30. | |
forward. Nicola Sturgeon is the only person in the UK that is actually | :49:31. | :49:34. | |
showing any leadership and the kind of leadership that we need, which is | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
about getting out there and finding the options to take us forward. | :49:38. | :49:44. | |
Jeremy Purvis, we are not with you on your party want us to be but we | :49:45. | :49:53. | |
are where we are. How does the UK go about starting this negotiating | :49:54. | :49:55. | |
process? With difficulty. The rally team is that we are seeing everyday | :49:56. | :50:02. | |
how hard this is going to be. That is why there has been a huge | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
response to Tim Farron and the Lib Dems' position to say that there is | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
no question about our commitment to the European Union and our | :50:11. | :50:13. | |
commitment to the union with Scotland and the rest of the UK. We | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
are the only party in British politics now which is unequivocally | :50:19. | :50:21. | |
pro-union and pro-European Union. That is why we have had over 10,000. | :50:22. | :50:28. | |
I just do not know where the Labour Party stands. Jeremy Corbyn has | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
given indication that he is probed exit. Do you know how your Labour | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
leader voted in the election? Do you know? | :50:38. | :50:44. | |
Tim Farron was in Brussels yesterday meeting heads of government giving | :50:45. | :50:50. | |
them the same message. Ian Murray, I will give you a chance to answer. | :50:51. | :50:56. | |
Kezia Dugdale in her speech is the Labour Party support the First | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
Minister and doing that he can to protect the interests of Scotland in | :51:00. | :51:02. | |
the EU but that is not an excuse for a second referendum because the | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
destination we want to get it as a party in Scotland remaining the UK | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
and the European Union. That is a position that Scots voted for in two | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
referendums and that is the position that we want to deliver and that is | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
why we will support the Scottish First Minister in negotiations | :51:20. | :51:22. | |
today. David, your viewers want stability, regardless of how they | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
voted. There was a large chunk of people in Scotland that voted to | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
leave, just like in the Highlands, where 55% voted to remain by 45% or | :51:32. | :51:38. | |
thereabouts voted to me. So we cannot ignore the fact that there | :51:39. | :51:41. | |
were a large chunk of people who said that they wanted to be. But we | :51:42. | :51:46. | |
are all agreed, I did not campaign to be the EU, we are where we are, | :51:47. | :51:57. | |
it is a decision that was made by the UK electorate. We have to get on | :51:58. | :52:00. | |
with this and I am inviting all parties, let us get our heads down, | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
let us get the best negotiating team in town and that includes the SNP | :52:04. | :52:06. | |
and the Scottish Government and let us see what get from our EU | :52:07. | :52:08. | |
partners. The Rouhani, at European level has it got to the ape and UK | :52:09. | :52:15. | |
negotiating team? A team of all the talents, if you like. -- Drew Henry. | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
Nicola Sturgeon has said that they want to look at all of the options | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
to remain in the EU. We want to be involved in decisions that will be | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
made for Scotland. But let us be clear, Scotland voted 62%, | :52:29. | :52:38. | |
overwhelmingly, to remain in the EU. Are you including the 40 plus that | :52:39. | :52:44. | |
said no? Are you telling me that the referendum on Scottish independence | :52:45. | :52:49. | |
was not fair? You cannot have it both ways! People do not want to | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
hear this kind of squabbling at such an important time. Let us get the | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
best deal for the UK and let us move forward on this. Letting Jeremy | :53:01. | :53:06. | |
Purvis. Has it got to be that it is in essence a negotiating team of all | :53:07. | :53:13. | |
of the talents? -- let in. At the moment the Conservatives are telling | :53:14. | :53:16. | |
us that we have to wait until October before we are any position | :53:17. | :53:20. | |
start negotiating. Between now and October, there is a lot to play for, | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
not only with the Scottish position, I'd agree with Drew Henry on that, | :53:25. | :53:29. | |
and there is a lot with the young people, they are looking at their | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
rights in the European Union. There is a lot to play for so we should | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
not be closing down these words. A question I want to put two of view, | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
because of what has happened and the knock-on effects for your party, | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
Ian, and yours, Alberto, it is likely you will have new leaders | :53:47. | :53:50. | |
both of you. Once that has been sorted and before negotiations get | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
underway, do we need a general election in this country together | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
whoever is in charge a mandate to go forward and take those negotiations? | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
Ian Murray. That will be difficult to deliver both the fixed term | :54:04. | :54:05. | |
parliaments built by the government could if they choose to go so we put | :54:06. | :54:10. | |
that at or have a vote of no confidence in themselves. But we are | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
all agreed that we need the best possible deal for the UK and the | :54:14. | :54:19. | |
best possible deal for Scotland, that is why we have said that we | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
should pause, find out where we are in this very uncertain time, and | :54:23. | :54:25. | |
look to the future in terms of what we want which is to protect the | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
interests of Scotland. We are pushed for time, yes or no, do we need a | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
general election soon? We need stability and Ian has said but all | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
of us need to get our heads down, get the negotiating team in place | :54:39. | :54:44. | |
and negotiate with the EU. Scotland already has a mandate, during the | :54:45. | :54:47. | |
Scottish parliamentary elections, if there was going to be a material | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
change such a Scotland being dragged out of the EU against its will, then | :54:53. | :54:57. | |
we could look at all the options, including a second independence | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
referendum. 100,000 Conservative Party members, it would be | :55:01. | :55:10. | |
fundamentally undemocratic. Thank you gentlemen, I can safely say that | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
we will come back to this issue many, many times in the future. Back | :55:14. | :55:15. | |
to you, Gordon. What was interesting was the fact | :55:16. | :55:25. | |
that only the Lib Dems were keen on a general election. Yes, I think | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
that is partly to do with the general internal state of the | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
parties. The SNP have 56, they might think they will likely do that | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
again. They also have two who are suspended, what happens to them? Do | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
they stand again? The Tories are Reece Lyne not mad keen. I suppose | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
the Lib Dems might think that they could pick something up. There is | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
also a certain logic that the idea that the Lib Dems could get some | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
increased support from what has happened because they are the most | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
pro-European party, there are clearly a lot of people who are | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
angry about what has happened and they have said that they will stand | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
on a mandate to reverse the referendum result, so perhaps the | :56:10. | :56:18. | |
fans the their chances to pick up a few seats. It would not be hard to | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
beat the record of last year! I think that Jeremy Purvis made a | :56:22. | :56:23. | |
valid point that if the Conservatives are just going to | :56:24. | :56:25. | |
elect a new leader, that is likely going to be Boris Johnson, I think | :56:26. | :56:28. | |
there needs to be some mandate from that government, especially if it is | :56:29. | :56:30. | |
going to be negotiating the all of Britain from the EU. You said | :56:31. | :56:39. | |
earlier that Jeremy Corbyn, should he hang on, you could well have a | :56:40. | :56:45. | |
split in the Labour Party, which worked -- which you refer to as a | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
member party. The parliamentary party would be everyone other than | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
the 40 who backed Jeremy Corbyn, presumably. Perhaps not even that. | :56:54. | :56:59. | |
How would that work? I have no idea. It would be very difficult. | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
Everything is so chaotic at the moment, it could present itself as | :57:04. | :57:09. | |
the most evil option. But if we are in a new world, because last time | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
this happened, the SDP effectively walked off into political oblivion. | :57:16. | :57:21. | |
But this time, would it be the splitter should they be the | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
parliamentary party that what into oblivion or would it be those | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
following Jeremy Corbyn? Logic would dictate, especially if Jeremy Corbyn | :57:30. | :57:32. | |
was freed from any moderate influence and his membership was | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
pushed further to the left, they would be unlikely to get any | :57:36. | :57:41. | |
candidate elected, I would suspect, especially in the traditional Labour | :57:42. | :57:44. | |
heartlands of England, which have shown themselves quite... But some | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
of their unions appear to be on their side. Again refused but the | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
Labour Party and you are resisting NP and you stand on that basis, | :57:54. | :58:01. | |
there could be a bit of a backlash against the parliamentarians. They | :58:02. | :58:03. | |
have to be cautious about Ukip. They could clearly do well in those areas | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
that are considered Labour heartlands in England that have | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
voted overwhelmingly for Leave, despite the Labour Party | :58:12. | :58:15. | |
theoretically campaigning for Remain. Some parliamentarians have | :58:16. | :58:18. | |
said they would have to be think that approach anyway. There are lots | :58:19. | :58:24. | |
of moving parts. It would be cleaner if Jeremy Corbyn would stand down | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
and that they have a leadership election to clear it up in the wash. | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
It is interesting because what is at stake are to irreconcilable views of | :58:33. | :58:37. | |
what Chrissie in the Labour Party means, but that has been almost | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
since its beginning. It is a bit of a muddle. It has constantly been a | :58:42. | :58:46. | |
compromise but we are not in a political environment. We will have | :58:47. | :58:51. | |
to leave it there. That is all from us this afternoon. | :58:52. | :58:54. | |
We'll be bringing you coverage of First Minister's Questions | :58:55. | :58:56. | |
at noon tomorrow and I'll be back on Sunday | :58:57. | :58:59. |